#109- Vinnie Adams (DISCLOSURE TEAM): Upcoming Anomalous Research & Exploration Forum Conference

0:06 All right, guys, welcome back to Total Disclosure. I'm super happy today. I'm joined by one of my good friends colleagues in the field, and he's got something in the works that I'm sure all of our listeners are gonna want to be a part of. So we're gonna get into all that today with Vinnie from Disclosure Team. But as you know before, Housekeeping and today's video is brought to you by BYO Mind. It is a all natural, no caffeine added supplement that uses lines, main performance, mushrooms and other great stuff that induces neotropic health and just it's changed my life, give me a clarity that I've never had before.

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1:49 So I'm also like, you know, keep my eye on that. And also you know, it's it's it's it's a bit, it's a big. A lot of stuff has been happening in the UFO world lately. It seems like it's all like dropping at once. Do you find that to be convenient convenience or is everyone just like, let's capitalize on the timing. Yeah, I think I don't think it's planned or anything. I think it just these things come around and they overlap, all those things happening all at once. I don't it's just coincidental.

2:19 In my opinion, I try not to get to conspiratorial when things, you know, maybe sort of look like they come in from a certain planned direction. I just see it as it's just the way it goes sometimes. Yeah, And and honestly, if if you don't mind, what do you think of these of those mummies, of that whole scenario, because it's not the first time they've been rolled out. Uh, people forget that this is you know, this is something that was rolled out years ago as well. You know, I think I can't remember exactly, but High High Mussan seems to be deeply involved in this, and as we know, sometimes Hymie's quick to put things out.

3:08 So what's your perspective on all of it? Yeah, Homi Mussan doesn't have the greatest track record with these types of things. And we saw something similar at the was it the Mexican Congress Congress Cambra, Yeah, and they rolled out these bodies claiming to have had some scientific analysis done on them back at the time. But with anything like this, it's surely it's better for them to sort of get the work done behind the scenes, get it even peer reviewed, get some multiple scientists from you know, separate places to put, you know, to corroborate this these bodies wherever they are, whatever they come from, because they unveil them, claiming their alien mummies.

3:47 But then, you know, two months down the line, we've got other scientists refuting the data, and it just seems to be this ever revolving, you know, it's yeah, and I strug to take it seriously. I mean, I keep my eye on what's happening just out of curiosity. Yeah, of course, but you know it's just I'm always just geared up to be let down yet again by anything that HARMI mus Son touches. And you know what, like I hate to even say that because you know, when I you know, mark O Leal, He's a great friend of mine and often I'll be talking to him and I'm just like me has an audience like soccer Carlson has here, you know, in Brazil, and a lot of people in South America think that he is a leading expert and that he's you know, he's truthful in what he does and says, and you know, he's only presenting the facts.

4:46 And like there's a lot of people in South America that just don't see through it, and they take him as an expert and it's like ah, guys, like yeah, I mean he's got he's arguably the biggest name out of out of Brazil, out of South America. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, And I mean, look, it's good. It's good that he's bringing the conversation to a mass audience. You know, I put my hands up and say that's a great thing. But it's that's the thing, is that people will see him as the expert like you mentioned, and just believe everything he says.

5:20 They they won't go and do any follow up research or anything, and why should they. They've probably got busy lives and this is just something that they keep an eye on. So I get it, but it doesn't make us look good when we're really trying to dig down to the actual truth of what's happening. Right and then and then you know, a month later, you end up with the headline like you know, alien bodies found to be chicken bone and other you know, weird stuff like staple together. And it's just like, oh God, because that's like the part of me that that that that it honestly frustrates me.

5:56 Like this phenomenon, what we have going on here right as we speak, right now, there's an agenda that's being played out. The phenomenon is strange enough. We don't need to hoax. It's strange enough. Like the real stuff is is is there, it's it's and I get it, like the content creators need to content create, but it's let's focus on that that percentage that will advance the conversation. And your conference is a great ar it's it's a great new thing. That's evolving, where like the Soul Foundation, where you had leading scientists, researchers, people that are very serious about this topic giving lectures and and and being open and transparent about what they're doing to advance the topic.

6:55 So who are some of the people that that you have lined up to speak? Yeah, so just before I listen people, what I wanted to do was put together a virtual event where people can come and hang out, you know, on zoom. It's all through Zoom, but hang out in the same room as these speakers. You know. And I've been involved in one of these before. This is all under Richard Dolan's upgrade, the Debate Events series, and they're a really great way of being a bit more interactive with these kind of things.

7:26 And so I wanted to put something together that focuses on research, but not just as a UFO research. I wanted to get people on the journalistic side of things, the scientific and academic side of things, and kind of put it all together and really focus on that and give them a platform. So I guess I started off. I wanted the science things, so I straight away I contacted Avi Lobe. I've got a good friendship with Avi, so you know, he graciously accepted. And then Beatrice vel Royal was someone who I spoke to recently on my show and she I think she's great, so I wanted her there.

7:58 So those two real staff up scientists. And then obviously Christopher Sharp at the Liberation Times his journalistic integrity. I think he does a fantastic work. So I invited Chris to come along to talk more about, you know, what he does and how he does it. We're going to be doing a Q and A with Chris, so people can really ask the questions that they want to ask to Chris. You know, Chris has got some fantastic sources out there that he kind of gets these scoops all the time, so we're going to dig into that.

8:25 And then my good friend Carl and Dress and Carl the Crusher as people may know him. He's done a boots, done a lot of boots on the groundwork at primarily at Yeah. So he's actually going to be at Mount Wilson at the event. He's going to come in live from Mount Wilson, give everyone live on the ground tour, answer questions, talk about the latest on his investigation. So that's something a little bit different again, that's amazing. Yeah, so really really so, Yeah, live from you know, live from bout Wilson Ranch.

9:01 Man. Yeah,

9:03 because that's on par with with skid Walker. I mean, let's let's let's make no mistake about it. There's there's clearly something going on in and at these I guess you know what we call in the in the UFO communities hot spots, Right, So there's these spots and and you know, obviously everyone's like, oh, why is it always a ranch or like, well, it's it's in this case, it just so happens to be, you know, a ranch as well. But it's not always a ranch in this case, yes, but not in you know, in a lot of cases.

9:41 So this specific ranch because I've had Carl on the show as well. He's a good friend, is a good friend of the show, and what he's been doing is amazing. That's that's awesome. What a unique uh unique thing? Yeah, absolutely so. And then I've got Danny Sheehan, who's going to be giving a presentation. You know, Danny's you know, right at the forefront of a lot of what's happening on Capitol Hill right now. He's speaking with you know, the committees on both sides. So I just I wanted to bring all of these different people from slightly different areas of the subject together to give the attendees there's something, you know, a whole weekend of

10:24 just really interesting information and opportunities to ask their questions and stuff. So I'm really looking forward to it. You know, It's been a lot of work putting it together, a lot more than I anticipated. But I'm working with a great team who do this. This is this is what they do. They do these events series and that's so I'm really glad that they allowed me to be a part of that and do a disclosure team first conference. Right, Yeah, that's that's absolutely amazing. And you know with a V. A V. Lobe, especially with his Galileo project, I mean, I'm in Boston, right so you know, he he's literally I go to Harvard probably two to four times a week for my job, and like, there are so many times where I just want to go to like wherever his office is and just knock on the door and be like, hey man, uh so we're gonna have a sit down conversation.

11:26 But av av with recent developments, like with what David Grush has come out and said Avi's work is especially interesting because it is it's it's different, it's not it's not you're like what the UFO community would consider juicy, But nonetheless it's it's pushing the pushing the the the envelope forward. And can you explain for people who don't know what a VI lobe is doing with the Galileo project. Yeah, So he's kind of got a couple of things going on. He recently, well say recently, I think the summer of twenty twenty three, he did this specific ocean expedition to find traces of this meteorite which you know, they found.

12:16 They found these very small spherials and they've had them analyzed and they believe them to be something from outside of our solar system. You know, that's really exciting stuff. But with the Galileo project itself, they have these sensor systems that they did start off by placing them on the roof of the University at Harvard there, but I think they've actually expanded to some external locations as well, some hotspots. There's not been a lot of information put out yet, but and this is the thing with AVI, He's coming at this from a no nonsense scientific point of view, it has the potential in the long term to really get some interesting results.

12:54 But you know, I think in the problem with that I see a lot is that people are always just want some think every single day, they want that new piece of juicy information. I get that, but we can't always just expect it. And I think what Avi's doing. You know, he's looking far out into the Solar System, he's looking at near Earth objects as well. And you know, with this equipment that they're investing in and putting up, we could certainly get some very very good data further down the road, right.

13:24 And and so what I always said was that disclosure. You know, what we've wanted in the UFO community for years is actual science, right, rigorous science. Well, guess what, guys. Science is slow. It's very slow. So we've been begging for it. And now that we have it, we're like, come on, come on, come on, come on. It's like, guys, guys can't rush these things, because what we rush we get Peruvian mummies, chicken bowl mummies. Right, So, like, yes, science is slow, but look at like like things like the James web Space telescope.

14:05 Recently, they they have this I don't know if you saw it, but it was kind of like a a briefing that was sent out about whoever the first astronomer would be to find alien life, like a signature of alien life. You know, how how it would affect them in their family, and like how they would become fit, you know instantly, you know, famous, and how what it would do to their mental state. All this kind of weird stuff. And it's like, are they preparing us for something? Because I've said for a while that it seems like dominoes are being tipped over slowly,

14:50 but it seems to be leading somewhere, and maybe you can give some insight. Do you think that they know that the other shoe is about to drop? I mean, that's kind of the million dollar question, isn't it. There are so many things that like point, there are things that kind of point in that direction that if they were to kind of prepare us for something, this is how they would do it. Does that mean that is what's happening? Of course it doesn't. But you know, again, I have to take myself out of this and not just blindly believe things because I want them to be a certain way that it's happening.

15:32 So yeah, it could be. It could certainly be a preparation for something that is inevitable. I think disclosure eventually will be inevitable. Disclosure of what exactly is again something that we don't know because we don't know the origin of the phenomena, whatever it is. I think it could be something so far beyond our frame of reference or understanding. But it could also be the opposite. It could all be a smoke screen, Sieop. I'm not going to pretend that I'm going to shut certain things off because I don't want them to be true.

16:03 It's it's something. It's the way I've changed over the past few years about this subject is the more people I speak to, the more I have to be very open and keep everything on the table until it can be taken off, whether positive or negative. So I mean, I just continue to do what I do and have the conversation, and we'll see what happens. You know, maybe maybe these Peruvian mummies will eventually one day turn out to be something genuine. I mean, this is the thing. We just don't know where it's going to come from.

16:34 We all always and I'm guilty of this as well. We keep so hyper focused on the government and Congress and everything, expecting that avenue to lead us to disclosure, whereas you know, there are so many other places it can come from, you know, And we've got to remember that if the phenomena genuinely is a non human intelligence, they can give us disclosure any time they want. And I think I forget that sometimes, absolutely. And one of the one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about was because you mentioned that we don't even we don't even we can't even contemplate what the phenomena is.

17:19 And one of the one of the things that I really like the most is or one of the theories that I like the most, is that I'm sure you're familiar with doctor Michael Masters and his future human hypothesis. It's it's becoming not not not to say the et hypothesis is. I think we're going away from it, but I think we're going more towards something that's like inter dimensional and it's, like you said, way beyond what we can even perceive. What do you think about this future human hypothesis? And you know, do you have any cases that come to mind that could suggest this to be the case?

18:06 I mean, I think that when you speak to someone like Dr Masters, you know, he lays forward some great points that make sense, and you think, well, that hypothesis or theory, certainly when you put it like that makes sense. But then I find the same with the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Somebody who studies that or you know, has knowledge on that, or can put some science behind it and say, well, this is why I think that makes sense, same with the crypto terrestrial, saying with ultraterrestrial. You know, so that are all these different theories, and whoever you speak to you can put forward a good case for each, which makes me then think one step further, and could we be seeing something that is maybe a combination of all of these things, and we're just trying to frame it in a reference that makes sense to us in you know, now, in twenty twenty four, with our current knowledge of science, physics and all of that.

18:56 But what if it's something so much bigger, more complicated, like I said earlier, beyond our comprehension, because we're just not advanced enough to understand it fully yet that I have to sort of even think that there is a theory out there that we haven't even considered yet because we can't. That makes sense. If these things happen to be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years more advanced, then I have to take into consideration that that it could be something so much more than just this theory or that theory.

19:30 And so I right again, it's it messages with my brain so much sometimes, right, because you have that, and then you have people like Chris Bloods right, who seem to be able, like like there's something going on where he's able to summon these balls of light. And you know there are other people who have talked about, you know, being abducted and seeing the true for of the being was just a ball of light like this a pure energy and could that be where our religions come from? Right? Like like angels being you know, these beings of light and you know, it's it just it has it always has me wondering.

20:18 And with the bloodshow story in particular, what do you take of this whole Lady in White because it seems the government has taken it really seriously. Yeah, absolutely, I mean it's reduct extremely yeah. Yeah, I mean the Bloodshoe story is fascinating. Some of those incidents the lady. You know, it's been seen before. We've heard about these kind of instances before, and then, like you said, the government interest in it, Like what do they know or why are they looking into it? Again? It adds something to the story for me.

20:51 It's not just a random individual talking about something they saw and not to take anything away from it. If it was the same with the abductees. You know, the last few years, I think the abduction part of the subject and abductees themselves, I've taken a bit of a back seat to all the focus on the government military aspect of the phenomena. And I think, you know, in the last six months, I've started talking to a lot more abductees and it's a very sensitive subject. You know, these people have dealt with something that has affected them, you know, affected them deeply, and I have to remain respectful of that.

21:26 And I always say to myself, it's not my place to necessarily believe these people, but I believe that they believe, you know, and I'm highly respectful of that. And I think it warrants hearing their voice and platforming them as well, to let them tell their story, because the more that we do that the more corroboration we're going to get now as well. You know, these people say they're seeing or some people say they're seeing gray aliens or biologics. Yeah, you know, it always begs the question to me, are they being shown something that has something behind it?

22:02 Like you know, if you look beyond the veil, that we would see something like a ball of light, but it manifests itself in a physical form as something that looks biological. This is where, again my brain goes off to other things, is that we may be not seeing its true form or the true the whole picture exactly. Yeah, because there's so many different things that have been seen. Does it all fit under this one umbrella of a non human intelligence? Are we seeing multiple species or multiple origins of where these things are from?

22:37 You know, begs so many questions that really I've got to stay open to it all. Yeah, I think, and I think we all have to. And I really, what do you think when it comes to like some of the conversations that you've had, what are some of the like with with abductees. Will there's some of the themes because at least in my eyes, it seems like the abduction phenomena, like, are there any recent abductions that weekend, because it seems like it dropped off at least reporting wise. You know, there's no more high profile abductions in the news.

23:22 It's more or less all the nuts and bolt stuff. But I mean, our abductions still happening, That's a great question. And I've not seen or heard of any cases in recent times which you know, begs the question are they still happening? But you know, there are some great researchers out there who look into the abduction phenomena who you know, I know that they say that these things are still happening. You look at the Experiencer group run by j. Christopher King. Now I'm not a part of that. I've not been involved in any of their private conversations.

23:54 But if these people are still talking about things happening to them, then you know, you have to take it seriously that these people are still experiencing these kind of things. Melinda Leslie as well talks about she speaks to abductees who are still having things happen. You know. So, yeah, just because we don't necessarily see it reported like it maybe was twenty thirty years ago, it doesn't necessarily mean it's not still happening. So again, I'm very open to it. Right and when you know, I think the world is fully at least the UFO community for now is fully you know, on edge with David Grush right, not on edge like on edge like we don't like them.

24:41 It's on edge waiting for the next thing to drop. And there's this rumored op ed that's coming David Grush as a whole when he came forward in the interview with Ross coltheart and then the subsequent hearings and you know, everything that's taken place since. How how do you see David Grush and other UFO whistleblowers in their part in this whole disclosure process. I think again it's another case of these things have to play out in the correct manner. They can't be rushed. And that's you know, people will say, well, that's just an excuse because nothing's happening.

25:26 Well, no, you know, these things do have to play out correctly. David Grush is he's treading a fine line and has been since the day he came out, and they've got to be like, if we're to believe forty plus other whistleblowers who have talked to Congress, and that then we've got to make sure that Grush is treated correctly as well, because if he's not, then other whistleblowers aren't certainly going to be lining up to come forward if we're seeing people like David Grush being you know, mistreated.

25:55 And so I think hopefully twenty twenty four or be that crossover a year where you know, people have seen it. We look, it's been a year since Grush came out, and now I'm ready to step forward because I like what I'm seeing these you know, hopefully that's what's happening. I don't know. I'm just kind of trying to put myself in that in that position. I mean, it's it's a struggle because I just I don't know what I would feel like to have that amount of pressure on you. I can only begin to imagine. So I think as well, you know, people put so much on Grush in this story that if it turns out that it doesn't go anywhere, it's going to be a massive step back for the subject as a whole.

26:32 Which it may be to a degree, but I don't think it's the be all and end all of disclosure, let's say, right, But you know what worries me is recent things that have happened, for instance, the Rara Report, the historical report, and then not even just the report, but the way that they limited media and basically controlled who could be in the room when that went down. What did you think about it? Because I mean you are friends with guys like Chris Sharp, who you know, if they could have been in the room, would have asked the hard questions but weren't allowed to.

27:15 And that's a very dangerous, dangerous thing. Yeah, it's it's embarrassing for the Pentagon the way it's been handled. I think in the last few weeks. If the report is what it is, we kind of expected it to be that way. But I agree to stop mainstream journalists like Ross called, you know, on News Nation, from being why not what have they got to hide? Why are they afraid of the hard questions? If it's like simply, if it's simply yeah, if it's just birds in the sky, why not why not take the hard questions?

27:55 Yeah? Exactly. You know, and there are people talking who have presented information to Arrow that does show there is something happening that is not straightforward. And so to have it dismissed. So it was just a mess that report. Yeah, there are things just doesn't add up. There are puzzle pieces missing from this story, and it'll be interesting to see what part two of this report comes out. I think we're going to see a few months of questions being asked of why this report that was the way it was and it was handled the way it was.

28:31 Do you think that this was a modern day Project blue Book attempt to squash I mean, yeah, I can see similarities. I wouldn't put it all exactly the same. Well, you know what's honestly, I give Project Blue Book much more credit. I hate to even because at least they went out and they boots on the ground and YadA YadA, YadA, like you know, they they went, they held press conferences at you know, uh places where where events happened. They did investigations. Yes, the Air Force at the end of the day had a preconceived outcome that that Highneck had that you know, you know, the swamp gas scenario.

29:25 Sure when he knew, he knew, damn well it was not. Ara didn't even do that. They collected hours hours of testimony from people like my friend Mario Woods four hours of testimony. He was on a nuclear missile base. He responded to a hot the highest category breach there is on Ellsworth Air Force Base. He was dispatched to November five, which is one of the missile silos. He arrived to see a gash of ball of light. The atmosphere of the car got thick. He passed out, his partner passed out. They woke up a mile from the missile silo, all documented.

30:10 Richard Dirty was there the next day. I mean, we know this event happened. That's how is that not at least something you go further and say, I can't explain this. Yeah, I mean I think I think we have to remember that in the early days of Arrow, when they were getting testimony from people like Mario Woods, a lot of the testimony was taken over the phone, not even on a secure phone line. They weren't recording it. They were taking just handwritten notes. So it was almost it was like it was just we'll just we'll play ball, we'll listen, we'll take some notes.

30:47 It doesn't seem like they were interested in following up on it or taking it seriously. You know, the early days of Arrow where we know we're a joke. Almost there was no funding. It was just a smash of something or other. But yeah, and honestly, you know, but my one last thing about Arrow. Do you think Phillips could could write this course or not? Really? Could he right the ship's course and make Arrow something that? Is there any redemption for it? Not under Phillips. I think he's just this interim figure who's just been put in until they find someone new.

31:26 Oh, Okay, is that the case i'd liked? I think that's the case at the moment. I think he's interim. I think they are looking to actively recruit a new head of the of the group. Again, we'll see. But I mean, I try and remain positive on these things, but it's very difficult for me to think that there's any turnaround with Arrow. I think there's a reason why so many people are skipping Arrow and going direct to Congress because the trust just isn't there, and maybe it can't be rebuilt. In an ideal world, I'd like to say it could, but it's not looking good.

32:03 Yeah, whatever happened to that presidential you know, when the shootdowns happened, the president spoke about forming his own group. I wonder whatever happened to that, but I mean it is, it is what it is at this point, I think Congress. The only thing I'm worried about with Congress is that do you think there there's a possibility that with David Grush coming forward, you have and it's not like it's any secret, right, So Lockheed, any of these people who have this technology hidden away or you know, in some bunker, you know, is it by David Grush coming forward kind of raising the flag?

32:49 Do you think they started moving these things and you know, inevitably we're just going to be playing a shell game.

32:58 I mean if I was one of those in individuals sitting on that technology, and you know, we had language coming out at the end of twenty twenty three about potential eminent domain being written into law, I would certainly move that very even deeper. You know, it's almost gave them the opportunity to really hide it further. So yeah, I mean that's my word. Yeah, that's the thing as well, isn't it. You know? I think it was Ross Coultart's mentioned it on a show the other day that you know, Arrow I think went to some of these aerospace corporations and sort of said, oh, you know, have you got this technology like what they're not going to tell you?

33:38 Yes, I mean this is ridiculous. Yeah, I got it in the blue room, right, How do you taking a walk with me? So yeah, man, it's it's it's a joke. So yeah, who knows what happened. I don't know what's going to happen, you know, as we go through this year with the Intelligence Authorization Act for next year and the NDAA as well, who knows whether that's going to have some robust language in it or not. We don't hear a lot right now from many of the congress people. I'm told there are things happening behind the scenes that we're not seeing in play out on Twitter and stuff.

34:12 But will we ever get any kind of results from that where we see this ramping up or getting into fifth gear again with new hearings and stuff. I hope so. And over classification on these kind of you know, I can't. It's countless. It's it's countless. There have been countless people who have said that there are videos that exist that would prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt if they were released by the government. Why do you think or how do you think one of these has not been leaked other than that you know, the New York Times or anything that Corbell's put out or like, because there are clearly, like we hear about it in so many cases where there was clearly recording capabilities by the military of something extraordinary, and you know, like I said, there's an overclassification.

35:28 Do you think that a lot of what we're seeing these days is man made? I mean, what's your take? I mean, it's hard to say why things haven't leaked. I don't know who has access to where some of these smoking gun videos are. Do they sit on a jwix server that thousands of people have access to or are they really compartmentalized? I honestly wouldn't know. I wouldn't like to hazard a guess at that. Who's to say that we haven't had videos leaked that we don't know are real, that they may be hoaxed? Is this is the game as well?

36:02 Isn't it that there could be some genuine information out there that it's so mixed in with the disinformation and misinformation that we simply can't confirm it's legitimacy, even though it's right there in front of our faces. It's it's this is the game that they've played for years in the intelligence community, not just with the UFO subject. It's just smearing good information with bad to make it, you know, hard to confirm. You know, Look, we've been told that there are a few videos that show certain things.

36:31 You know, I believe they exist, but will we ever see them because of the overclassification At this point it doesn't look likely. But right, who's to say further down the line that the overclassification and the systems that that is all around changes at some point if Congress managed to do something and get that to change, it could happen. But again we don't know. And the reason I bring up videos is because AI artificial intelligence is about to render any picture video of a UFO civilian produced just untrustworthy.

37:14 Like it's going to be so hard to differentiate what is real and what is fake. And do you foresee a problem going very faster than coming faster than we think. I mean, GPT has what SOMA that's coming out soon? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the thing. I think it's going to muddy the water a lot more. We're going to see a lot more fake or AI creative videos flying around, you know, online on social media, where people will be arguing about them for weeks whether they're real or not. I think the only way that we will have any kind of positivity from any videos coming out as if they're heavily backed with metadata and chain of custody, you know, especially if they're leaked, let's say, leaked military videos, then we can prove that they were taken at a certain time, in a certain year, certain location, with all of that metadata intact and a full chain of custody.

38:19 Because without that, there's no point you could be arguing about it for years and years and if you just simply cannot prove it hundred percent, to waste the time now because of the AI. Yeah yeah, and it's i mean, some of the videos that I've seen already are just like, oh my god, like it's almost indistinguishable, and it's it's i mean, you know, it'll make content creation a little bit more fun and easy. But as far as what like, what will going forward, what will constitute as evidence? Right, it's going to have to be multiple sensor systems picking something up metadata like you said, you know, uh, cross referenced with uh documentation and hopefully multiple uh multiple videos, so you know it, it's it's frustrating.

39:21 But with the rise of technology comes the rise of of you know, potential potential hoaxes. So it's it's something that the UFO community is going to be ready to face. Honestly, Vinny, you yourself, how how did you become interested in this topic specifically? And and and starting all this because uh, you've been doing a lot of work to try to again move the ball forward.

39:58 What you know, what got you in to UFOs in this crazy world? I mean, I grew up in the I'm a child of the late seventies. I grew up with in the eighties with an abundance of really good quality, high end science fiction movies, and that really like set my brain off on the questions of, you know, the life out there and stuff, and you know, going further on in life into my twenties and thirties, watching a lot of documentaries on fringe subjects, I suppose you could say, of all sorts, eventually landing on the UFO subjects probably twenty years ago, and then about fifteen years ago, I found myself just I need more, I need more.

40:41 I need it, So, yeah, so I would. You know, that's when I just would sit late at night for many nights just browsing through declassified archives, FBI, CIA, you name it. I spent many of hours delving through them, thinking that I may find something that no one else has found, you know, naively thinking, and that just sort of set me off. You know, I was just addicted to research and looking at old cases and stuff, and it just kind of it just grew from there. And I guess, like a lot of people, when the pandemic hit, that kind of gave me the opportunity to to start doing more putting myself out there.

41:21 And you know, here we are. I haven't had a minute's break to really stop and I live and breathe this subject, and I definitely have a lot more questions than I started with. Well you did you worked on a series of phenomenology and what was your what you know, if you could could you explain what you guys were doing and what the two seasons kind of what what did you come away from it with? Yeah? Sure, so if you can try to summarize it, I know it's a one hundred hundreds of years on these two peaks on the edge of the Andean Plateau in Colombia.

42:03 These strange, mysterious lights had been witnessed and recorded for hundreds of years, and so we wanted to go out there. My friend Ashley Cowie, who led the team, he lives out there. He had captured some photographs of these strange lights on a couple of occasions over the past few years, and so he wanted to bring a team out to investigate it. Speak to a lot of the indigenous locals as well. You know, they live and breathe spirituality and high strangeness. So we went out there. We did all that, We explored the area and spoke to a lot of witnesses and luckily enough, at the end of the first trip we managed to film these strange lights on the mountain and so that was great as an eye opener for me, an incredible experience.

42:48 A season two, we went back out. We tried to take a bit more equipment with us. Took I have a thermal drone which would have been interesting to pick up these lights with. Unfortunately we didn't see them again. But part of this documentary was also to document our journey as people. You know, I'm just a guy from the UK, who doesn't really have much business being in rural Columbia speaking with indigenous people about UFOs and strange lights. So it was about how we grew as individuals as well to being in such a strange place and experiencing this type of thing.

43:22 So it was a great experience and I hope actually to continue it in the next couple of years. That'd be fantastic. I really, I mean, I, like I said, I enjoyed it, and I love this. I love the boots on the ground and like the raw approach that you guys took. And it's something that Dan and I have been talking about because you know, he's going to be moving to my side of the my side of the world, so doing more stuff like that. And I just, like I said, I really, I really liked it. I wish I wish you I wish you guy had shopped it to like a bigger Is there any talks about that, like getting it from Vimeo to like Amazon or to be I mean that that three part series two we did with the TMZ was actually really good.

44:14 Yeah, I enjoyed that. I mean, yeah, there have been conversations had about putting it on a more accessible platform. I think the thing is is that all of us involved in it, we're all so busy with so many other things in our lives that sometimes these things either take time or they get put to the kind of the wayside every now and again. So who knows. Further down the line, Yeah, we could start seeing it on bigger platforms. I hope that's the case. But at the end of the day, all I'm all I'm really care about is actually doing the work, getting out there, getting those boots on the ground, because the feeling you get when you're doing it is it's a you know, it's a pinch yourself moment.

44:52 You can't believe that this subject has taken you so far around the world to do these kind of investigations, you know. And there's certainly, I'll have to reiterate this, there is no monetary incentive, you know, for for doing these projects. Yeah, if anything, you yeah, if anything, you lose money doing it? Oh god, absolutely. I mean I could be working in corporate still earning you know, six figures, but I choose to do this and then, you know, bare bones enough to pay my bills and that's about it, you know, so right right, you know, to just want to say that, No, well people think that, you know, everyone's a grifter.

45:32 You know, if you if you make money off the subject, you're a grifter. It's like, no, no, that's not Most of us are are are funding it by ourselves and losing money. I mean, look at even James Fox, I hate to say it, like his whole situation with Discovery and everything, like you know, he basically got no money for a moment of contact. Like imagine that, Imagine that it's and he's what you know, as far as I'm concerned, he's one of, if not the best UFO documentary investigative documentary and that that there is.

46:16 I think he he's up, you know, up there. Like I said, I think he's the goat. And uh, I really enjoy his style. But you know, it is it's a sad reality, is what it is. Because then you got guys like you know, it's doctor doctor Greer and and who are you know, very well off not the same one or the others you know, better or worse. It's just it's that's the that's the the reality of this world is. It's it's you gotta be if you're in it for the right reasons. The money is the last thing that you care about.

47:01 But yeah, that's what I really like about you. I appreciate that. And I think one thing that people need to remember as well is like, and I'm in this for the passion because I love the subjects. I don't expect anyone to just believe that blindly. But if I wanted to make money, why would I be in the UFO's subjects when there are so many other things to do in this world to make money, you know, so many more easier things to do. Trying to make money in the UFO subject if that was a thing, would be like trying to get blood out of a stone.

47:35 It's impossible, So why would I be? You know? And it's not just me or a lot of a lot of good friends of mine who have that grift a tag thrown at them all the time. It's it's just become a buzzword where people throw it around to try and cause offence, and it it's it's fallen flat on its face because no one really cares anymore, which just the people that are doing the work for the right reasons are doing. Yeah, it just honestly, it just rolls off and I've said it countless times that you know, dude, people need to eat, like, you know, they need to pay their rent.

48:08 And if they're if they're like if they're putting their time and effort, like we're right now, I'm filming my first documentary and it's a slow process and I'm funding it, you know, myself, and you know, it's it's been amazing, but it's also been very stressful in its own right. So, uh, like coordination wise, and there's a it's a it's like that's a talk for another time. But you said you got into this because of the mysteries of the universe, right. I was always that guy like at the party who would be smoking a joint, you know, and it huddled in the corner, uh, talking with the friends like about existential uh stuff, you know, like what happens after we die?

48:59 What have you know? Back? Are we alone in the universe? What? What are your thoughts on in the in the testimony you've been exposed to in your educated opinion, what's your best guess at some of these questions? What does do you think consciousness survives death? I know, I know, I mean there's been some great work, great research done in recent years that the point to there being something there, you know, post death. You know the work of Nick Cook, you know Nick Cook coming from his sort of aviation and defense background, now switching completely over to the consciousness side of things, being involved with the biggel Ow Institute for Consciousness Studies as well.

49:50 I think it's very early early days when it comes to this, that's the science to support this kind of theory. But I believe that, you know, it could. Can she lead to there being some really big answers? You know, I want to believe that there is, absolutely, but yeah, I keep my eye on that side. Was subject as well, imagine, I mean, because I've always thought that there was. I mean, for me, one of the moments that set me on the course of doing the show was I was in the room with my mother as she passed away, and I remember it.

50:30 So in my audience is gonna be like, dude, we've heard this story like nine hundred times. I come on, but I kid, you not like it's what I it's. It's what I call a moment of conversion. I already had one when I was a kid. But you know, it's like you question those kind of memories but I had a UFO come literally right over my head, some classic disc and that's when I started, like, you know, I was like the closeted UFO guy, but always talking about it at parties, and you know that I was always that guy.

51:07 But it was really when I was in the room with my mother. I looked at her, she was there. I looked down. I remember looking at my pants and I think I was reaching for my phone, but I can't remember exactly what I was doing, but something told me to look up, and I looked up. And as I looked up, this like you know when you look down a long highway and you see like the heat wave, it's a dispersion like blur. Yeah, it something crossed my field division like some sort of dispersion blur, and it went out the window pretty And then I looked back at my mother and she was gone.

51:53 I'm almost certain I watched her leave her body, and I don't know what to do with that, right, So that's what led me to doing the show. It's like I UFOs, I've seen one, and now I'm pretty sure you know what I just witnessed. I was supposed to witness and I'm supposed to go down this road. So I mean, there's got That's why I asked the question. I asked it to everybody, like do you think because consciousness, I think is a big part of this. We talked you know, Bob Azar right history, no buttons in the craft.

52:35 This thing was clearly you know, operated if you believe those are it was operated by some other means. And could consciousness be the key to you know, travel throughout dimension space? How to you know? Could that be the key? I don't know, could well be absolutely yeah. I mean that's the things. Well, you have had your experiences, and a lot of people I speak to have had experiences, and that's why they're like, look, I know it's real because I've seen this and I've seen that, and I you know, I don't I don't have the luxury of that unfortunately.

53:12 But you know, this is why it's so important as well, because people I don't need disclosure because I've seen things, and you know that's there's a lot of power behind that kind of thing. You know, when you speak to people, you can see the they genuinely, you know, don't They've seen things and you know that. I find that fascinating and it's you know, it's some of the people that have had these sightings or let's say encounters. Let's go a step further abductions. What we right, what you and I strive for?

53:45 What we what we like you said, live and breathe for. They would some of them give it all away. Yeah, they have confirmation, they have the confirmation we want, and they would give it all away and erase it from their brains if they could. And that's it blows my mind because it's like,

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55:48 All the links will be in the description or on the screen. Richard Dolan said about some people in this community, it would be naive to say that it's all d andelions and roses like that, they're all like super advanced. They've advanced past cruelty or indifference. It would you what side of that are you on? Yeah, I mean it's the same with again I mentioned Dr Greer who says that that they're all friendly, they're here to help us. Well, you know, you can't say that to the people that have had life change in negative experiences with what you know, abductions and things that have happened to them.

56:35 Doesn't certainly point to love and light, does it. I mean, I think about it like this, with anything in this world, in this universe, you've got light and dark, positive and negative, yin and yang. You can't get good and bad. You can't have one without the other. Exactly what I was going to say. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, that makes that makes the most sense. So good and bad, negative, positive. Surely that's the same with everything. You know, why again, And that's why I think, isn't that? That's why I think that it's like almost a natural state of human beings to factionalize, right, it's it's it's I don't know, because it it makes me wonder, like even the story of the Tower Babylon right where you know it was struck down because they got to close then they divided or or you know, God divided us or whoever divided us by separating our languages so we couldn't communicate.

57:41 It's like factionalism at its core is what's keeping us from advancing. And we see it in the UFO community like it's it's so present, like you got the low faction, you got the career faction. Like it if you could just step away and all step back. I think there's a piece of a puzzle in everybody's hand. Yeah, I agree. It's the same old thing, isn't it. Like people say, if we all just work together, that you know, all these kind of positive things, and it may be true, but unfortunately we are only human and you will get that sort of part of society who online are happy to just sit behind their keyboard and argue for the sake of arguing, to throw insults out for the sake of trying to get under someone's skin.

58:33 It's just the way it is in any any subject you'd find it. So I just you know many best I can you know how many comments I'm going to get on this video about oh, stop interrupting, stop interrupting, stop interrupting, stop interapt dude, it's one part. It's a troll that like, for some reason hates me and they create different profile and like that's they just There was a video literally I did where the guests didn't show up and it was just me. I was like, I was like, let's go live anyway, and I talked by myself but I didn't change the title right, and they commented stop interrupting the guests, stop interrupt multiple ties, and I was like, dude, it's just me.

59:23 Who are you? And that's the day I figured out it was a troll. And I'm like you that, like this whole time, this whole time, Like I listen, I'm the first one to take constructive criticism. I really am. It's hot though it is. And like people like Rogan, you know, they say, don't read the comments, don't read the comments, but like, as a smaller creator, like you read the comments, dude, you read it. Yeah, of course, yeah. But this is the thing, and this is what I've I've noticed on my show is that I'll put out an interview and I'll have someone in the comments saying, really, great interview.

1:00:05 I love how you let your guests speak, and then you'll have someone below that comment saying you need to chime in and interrupt more and do exactly the opposite. So you will always get both sides of the art. You cannot win with you know, you please someone, someone else hates it. And it's always that back and forth. And I've just learned to live with that. You know, It's just the way it is. And people people say, you know you need to do this, you needed that. Look, I'm just a dude who put himself on YouTube to interview some people.

1:00:35 I'm not a professional. I don't claim to be. I'm just putting my conversations out there. You know I'm not. But you know what I do make it look good. But I'm just a dude. But you know what, we put ourselves out there to be judged, right, and we have the goal to go out there and put ourselves out there to be judged. You know, to any keyboard warrior out there, I hate to like say this, but put yourself out there and then let's have a conversation, right, because it's you know, it's much much easier said than done.

1:01:13 Like the microphone that that that Vinie's using. By the way, you know how much money that microphone costs. It's a it's a lot of money. Uh put it that way. I have a shure. It's a shore, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm using the rodead Road mic because they sent me the streamer xbox and the microphone and the holder together as like a it's like try it out. But my shore is my baby, because it's just the greatest microphone. I think it's the best microphone out there. But this one puts up a fight and the they geta they get a great setup.

1:01:54 So I highly recommend anyone who's a content creator, uh look into Road because they got some great stuff, especially for like if you're making documentaries, wireless microphones. They have a great, great setup for all that stuff. But I want to finish off our conversation with UFOs because that's kind of what we're here for. You've interviewed like the krem Dela crime. In my eyes of UFO researchers,

1:02:29 which few interviews have stuck out the most to you? Oh, that's a good question. You know what, I should be better answering this question, because like I asked it all the time, but I always seem to forget to really think deep about it. Look, I started off in twenty twenty one, very fresh, just threw myself out there. I was lucky enough to become friends with Lou Elisonda early on and interview Lou and I look back at those interviews with fond memories, so they stand out and they always will. But I think some of them better interviews have been with Diana Pasolka I've had I've interviewed Diana twice and they always I always come away with a new train of thought.

1:03:08 The way that she does this whole religion, technology and combines it all into the UFOs subjects I find fascinating and they I always come away feeling good from those kind of interviews as well. But one thing I always say as well is I'll prepare for an interview and do an interview that I expected to not get much from, and they'll be the ones that I sometimes get the most from. It's it's a strange thing, it actually really is. And you know what, I've had that same exact feeling. And you know, the two people you mentioned, Diana and Lou, I mean, they're on the top ten list for me.

1:03:49 You know, I've had a lot of my you know, bucket list people, but you know, there are people that that I really want to have on, like Danny Sheham, like Lou Alezondo, like Diana Posoka, and you know, eventually,

1:04:08 I know the show will get to that point, uh and and and I really look forward to it. But like you said, those three people, what they're doing for the topic, the credibility that they lend to it esc you know, uh, especially especially people like Alizondo and uh, Diana and actually all three because of just their their credibility as people bringing to the table what they are. It's it's just amazing and we are in the golden age of you apology as as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, absolutely, man, And I enjoy it.

1:04:52 This is the thing as well. I enjoy speaking to these people. And I you know, I have the interviews that like an hour long interview on Channel, but the conversations that I formed with these people outside of that are amazing as well. You know, I think this is the same thing, you know, get I get lucky enough to be friends with quite a few people I've interviewed now, and you know, there's always to say that. There are individuals who I've had on my show, military witnesses who have come forward, pilots who have come forward.

1:05:20 They're some of the most important conversations I've had as well. To be able to platform these people who have seen things, who want to get their voice heard, and you know, I love that. I love being able to do that. It's really it's really good. What do you think the chances are that civilian research beats the government to the punch on disclosure? I know it sounds weird, but do you think there's a possibility that civilian research and that this whole side of it could actually be the government to some sort of disclosure, like proving it beyond the shadow of a doubt.

1:06:04 Yeah, I think there is every chance that that could happen. Like we said right at the start of the show, when you know, we're always expecting the disclosure to come from the government, the Congress and everything, because that's where the focus has been. That it could actually come from left field. It could come from another country, it could come from the phenomena itself, but it could come from a really good UFO researcher who just so happens to find that, you know, that breaking story, that smoking gum bit of evidence, and bring it forward in the correct way, because if done right, it can completely give us what we're all craving so much, and that's disclosure.

1:06:41 So yeah, I have faith in the community. That's amazing. I really And like I said, I really I'm starting to believe that. I mean,

1:06:57 it's still it could go one way or the other for me, but I think I still think the more likely scenario is some sort of government you know, start small, you know, discover life on another planet super far away, right super far, and then slowly it'll get closer, right, It'll go from microbial life to uh, we might have found signs of again advanced civilization. And next thing, you know, you know, all of a sudden, we're you know, disclosure is a little bit more closer to home, right, because then uh, they start revealing Uh well yeah, they're actually you know, they've been here longer than us.

1:07:47 And I guess one I think I said this three times, but the one last thing something came across in my interview with Richard Dodie. Could all the secrecy be that they had a hand We talked about this missing link right in the cosmic scale, the human the current human brain like basically doubled overnight on the cosmic scale. Do you think there could be secrecy involved because they the phenomenon, whoever they are, had a hand to play in our creation and they are our god, if you will perhabsolutely absolutely, that could be the thing to think of.

1:08:42 That it is, but you know, like you said, we've been searching for this missing link in our evolutionary chain for so long. That could just be the answer, plain and simple. I mean, it doesn't affect me. I'll be like, Okay, cool, you know, I'm glad I'm here. It makes sense, right. Other people might find it a lot more worriesome or scary that that's what happened. But yeah, I mean it doesn't. It makes sense to me. It's the potential. And but you know, because like we you know, we talk about on a Naki and you know, this advanced race that you know basically created us to be slaves in a you know, to mind goal delt fit, you know, fix their atmosphere.

1:09:33 And you know, it kind of makes sense in a way because like it's human beings can't stop. It's like we can't. We're never satisfied. We just want to keep creating more and more and more and more. It's like we can't stop, even though if we did stop at like the iPhone fifteen and the camera I'm using would be fine, we'd be fine, right, But we just want to create, create and create and create. And it like kind of makes sense that and we have this fascination with returning to the stars, and it just like it makes me wonder like if Diana is onto something that there is this connection between our religions and the Phenomena network as the name just changed, you know, Jacques Valais talked about this as well.

1:10:26 Sure, well this is it. Yeah, I think we're seeing a resurgence of a lot of work that's probably been looked into in the past, and we're seeing it in a new lens because of the current climate of how advanced we are technologically in twenty twenty four compared to thirty years ago. You know, I think these things, the research will change as the world around us changes and the technology that we have in our hands these days that you know this, the power in this fifty years ago would have been at the size of a warehouse, you know, and things like that.

1:10:58 Literally. Yeah, and that's the thing. So the way that things change based on the current climate of technology, and I find it all fascinating and how it links and so yeah, that's why I'll always just keep having these kind of conversations, just to just to have them. You know, whether I understand a lot of what I'm told is a different story. It's just fun. You have you had Jacques. I've not had him on the show. No, There's been a couple of occasions where we were kind of back and forth trying to line it up.

1:11:29 But then I was in Columbia and he was out of the country, and you know, it never happened. But I was lucky enough, obviously to meet with jacqu in Paris at the end of last year when I was introducing him at a conference, and so, yeah, well, I mean, like I said, it seems like that guy's going to be around forever. So I always find it fascinating that he has a connection to the creation of the Internet. And the second most popular thing that was searched aside from porn was UFOs And it's like, like these weird synchronicities, right, So talk to us about your conference when it is how people can get tickets again, maybe you go through the guest lineup without you know just who's going to be there and how it's going to be laid out, and give us all the details because I know I'll be there, and I know my buddy Dan will be there, and obviously you'll be there, and there'll be a lot of a lot of a lot of great great stuff going on.

1:12:35 Yeah. So it's the Anomalous Research and Exploration Forum or a REF for short. It is on April twenty seven and twenty eight. We have presentations throughout the day with open sessions where everyone can just sort of mingle, ask questions and have conversations. So we're going to have avi low bit at Beatrice Villa Royale, Danny Sheehan, Kyl the Crusher, Chris Graham. Rendall's going to be doing a fantastic presentation on his sort of historical research as well. There's going to be a big ninety minute close out open session at the end of the weekend where myself and a few other podcasters are going to kind of be there as guests to kind of mingle and just have a really good time.

1:13:17 If you follow me on any social media as you can find the link. There is an early bird five dollars off code available at the moment as well. It's just I've been involved with these events before as as an attendee. They are so much fun. They really allow people to just kind of come together and it's always a positive experience as well. So I'm trying to bring that to the community and I hope to see people there. And this is kind of like a test run with this this this new platform, right because it's through it it's not new.

1:13:55 I mean, Richard Dolan's upgrade the Debate series. They've done quite a few events before. They did one last year with Richard Dole and Steve Bassett and Chris Lato, and you know, I was involved with that one and it was such a wonderful event that you know, I was like, I really want to do something similar to that on a similar platform, and you know, here we are doing it under Richard's platform. They just really well run. The team behind it are such professionals, they really know what they're doing, and I'm really honored that they've agreed on this.

1:14:25 Yeah, so that's that's that's really awesome, man, and I'm so happy. I can't wait to I can't wait to see, well, I can't wait to see the whole thing. And like I said, send me all send me all the links and let me create a marker what FI send me all the links so I can include them in the description of the podcast and the the video. Yeah, we'll do man, all right, But Vinie, it was so great for you to be here. Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule. And I look forward to our next conversation and we can, uh, we can definitely you know, dive into some cool stuff because it seems like the UFO world is just a fire lately with with stuff to talk about, so uh, we'll see you next time, buddy.

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