#115: Jeff Kollnott (Listener Experience) Tell His Story of Encountering Something Out of this world

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1:57 You ask me, are your close cold on all right? Basically right? A lot of people say no, not, but you pretty much got it right. Yeah. I figured, yeah, it's like it's funny because you know, I don't know. Immediately thought cold heart, no car, you know, but there's yeah, yeah it rides. But listen, man, I'm super happy to have here. And like I said, this is this is now your platform and I'm here for you know, I'll be asking some questions to kind of lead us through and you know, I want you to feel open enough to tell us your story.

2:37 But let's first journey back. What were you interested in the topic before your event or was this something that spurred from the event I had. My first event was in twenty eighteen, and it planted the seed in my head,

2:57 But it wasn't until a year or two later when I started watching I think David Framer was on either Lex Readan or Joe Rogan, and then it was at that point that Okay, there's something to this. But there was

3:12 there was an event in twenty eighteen that kind of happened to me on accident. Really, I was in the right place at the right time. I was living in Wisconsin briefly and a set of roommates I was living with, and they had a kind of semi regular poultry guy's haunting activities going on, and whenever a change would happen, the activity would stir up, and me moving in. Me moving in caused the activity to stir up because it was something something different is going on here, and there was there was things like

3:49 this. This happened before I was there, but it happened more while I was there. There was things like uh, knocks on the front door. Than second later you go up, open it, there's no one there. There was doppelganger activity. There was a person that lived there that was in the bedroom. A friend of hers saw her walking up the staircase, but it wasn't actually her. It was like an avatar. So these are mainly paranormal, yeah at first, but but but but again, you know, i'd say that I think it's one and the same.

4:21 I think there's a nuts between the two. But these are mainly what you were describing, or mainly what we would consider paranormal events historically. I at the time in twenty eighteen, I wasn't super interested yet, but I I didn't know what it was, but I thought that like whatever it was, because doors would open too. I saw one time front the front door opened, not there was no wind. That was last everything locked shot four feet open, wide open. The dogs would go berserk. And whatever it was that was, it knew something has to be half a physical presence or at least the amount of force to interact with the objects in the in this dimension.

5:07 And so that was like my my precursor to my first one. And then we can go on from there. And kind of talk about how I started sinking it out myself. If you want that's yeah, absolutely, and then and so so talk to me about so okay, so you clearly have some I wouldn't say I wouldn't say the phenomenon is attached to you at this point, Like it's not like it's following you around. You happen to be in the right spot at the right time. You you put it perfectly, But that that kind of changed if I'm not you know, and it changes in all of Like I think once we start having our events, like something in us changes, like maybe like our DNA or cerebral cortex.

5:59 I don't know what it is. Something changes in us because now we're like it's like we're that much more sensitive to seeing it more frequently, right, And that's when you catch the bug. Yeah, I don't know if you've a lot of people probably have, but follow Chris Bledsoe's story. Yeah, he's going to be a guest on the show. Yeah, he's gonna be a guest on the show. I've been talking to him on Facebook quite a bit. Oh cool. Well, he he had mentioned if you read his book or what you would know about him, but he had, Yeah, a lot of really tough things in his life.

6:37 You can, I cut in for a second. Yeah, do you know if Chris Bledsoe was in the time of antiquity, he would have been considered a saint with what is happening to him? Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah. You think about all the saints, right, like people that like we named saints right where they had some sort of connection to the whatever, right and oftentimes you know orbs would be involved, uh and stuff. Literally, like I told Chris, I'm like, you would be a saint, Like it'd be a Saint Christopher Bloodsoe, That's what you would be like if this was a different time period.

7:21 Like that's crazy to think about. And that's clearly why like the CIA and uh and I say, every three letter agency wanted to talk to this guy, Oh for sure. And you mentioned a change and for me that was uh, there there was a there was a real tough loss in my family and I was kind of getting interested in this stuff simultaneously. But when that happened, I just got pulled towards this stuff even more. And so Chris is right when he talks about I mean, I can't at least in my case, when a lot of tough adverse experiences can can bring this into a person's life.

8:06 Yeah, I think anyway, But yeah I can. I can go on from there if you want to hear. Yeah, I want to hear your story. Man, lead us, lead us down the path. So basically what we're you know, So so it looks and now I just want to say this that you're you know, you're a West Michigan native who has dedicated most of your life to music. In recent years, you've become intensely interested in the u AP phenomenon and more specifically, how it relates to paranormal activity in general. Now that's all I'm I'm passionate about as well.

8:44 And you have gone searching for the phenomenon and successfully found it. Now I don't think you found it. I think it found you. Yeah, you know, thinking about even the other way around. But we'll get to that. We'll get to And I know you, you know, you base your conclusions on the works and testimonies of you know, Ryan Musgrave, and you know there are others Charles Hall, Chris bletso John Neil if I remember it correctly, So I want to care about all of it. And what your you know, the first experience, how that led to the searching out the phenomenon and I'm assuming king things like see, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

9:32 So basically that that that twenty eighteen experience kind of put a seed in the back of my mind. I forgot about it for a little bit, and then I got I got started watching the David Framer stuff, and that to me, I'm a frustrated pilot. I think I must have been a pilot in my previous life, because I think I take that testimony very seriously when you when you have these these kinds of witness testimonies, And so then I just kind of fell down rabbit holes and wait, twenty twenty early twenty twenty one, somewhere in there, I came part of the testimony of Charles James Hall.

10:07 He was a weather observer at Nellis Air Force Base. And saw his documentaries, his movies, his interviews. I read his books, and everything in there was so meticulously detailed, even the boring things like don't even talk about how he walks thirty feet through the safe rush and takes the left at the generator shacky. He just meticulously documents his life, right, So his contacts to what he called tall white aliens. It was such a strange story and it would have taken way, way, way, way way more effort to make something like that up.

10:47 And then so I just we get rest. But the white is Linda Moultonhowe is right now, like her main focus is that tall that's all white. Like they're the tall white and the grays. I think are two things that I can say that I confidently believe that they are real, like those are for sure. And so I kind of became on a quest because from Charles Hall, I mean, he drew his own conclusions. He thought they were tall white aliens and I can't. I thought they were just specific to the you know, the Southwest American desert, you know, the badle of all those areas.

11:29 And then I just started googling the hell out of the stuff and then came across h the YouTube channel author and experiencer Ryan Musgrave Evans, and he he had similar stories, but he was calling them imagine on the Gina because that's that's what they that's what they imparted on him what they were called. And that's like its own kind of complicated story. But he was kind of in the boat or is in the boat of Tony's. That said, these are essentially a variant of Homo sapiens an evolution an interdimensional evolutionary to send it, if you will, and have been here for tens of thousands of years, at least at least since the time of the ancient civilizations.

12:15 And you know, long story short, one of the primary motivations for them to crossing into this dimension is access to our genome because they've played God and things and altered their DNA given them really long lifespans. But in the process, Uh, they have a lot of health issues. They don't heal their fast to get sick easily. They're allergic to a lot of things. Uh, they break a bone, it can take up to five years to heal. So I integrating with us, both taking DNA and in some cases interpreting they have, they're kind of strengthening their physical bodies, if you will.

12:55 So it's kind of symbiotic relationship some sense that you know, they kind of protect the Earth from asteroids and certain like cosmic rays and things like that, and you know, we provide genetic material to kind of help them out. And that's kind of you know that's my Well, like I said, that's not confirmed, but that's kind of where I'm bleeding on it. And basically, long story short is going on red holes. But I had learned that these people tell a white crips restaurant, if you will, are associated with a lot of paranormal activity, like stuff you see at skin Walker rans other hotspots, or shadow figures, people with dark red eyes or you know, dark dark suits but black figures with red eyes,

13:46 footsteps in the house, you know, something that acting like as a cloaking device, voices in the house. And I'm actually, you know, I believe that after we pass away, consciousness does continue, and I think that I think that has a role. But I think a lot of this stuff is kind of more techie suit related, right, Sorry, did you I think we had I'm gonna have them. I understand that. Yeah, Bro,

14:15 my phone started, m can you see can you me just said, oh, I think a lot of not all, but a lot of say ghost e type or paranormal things are our beings with text suits with cloaking devices that have a lot of these fancy capabilities, uh limitation, cloaking, telepathy, also intangibility to be able to shift the moncular structure structures so they can shift solid I just see a lot of stories about things moving through some Earl Gray Anderson, who is a part of the experience or resource team for Moving On.

14:56 His experience shook me to my core because, you know, he said he was in bed. It was like midnight, he was getting ready to go to bed, you know, doing his routine. He sat in the bed, was there for you know, five six minutes, and then started to like, well he said, he started to daze, you know, and all of a sudden, through the wall, a spiral like the type of thing event happened, and then out came these beings like levitating, not touching the floor, but the small alien, like the classic archetype alien levitated towards him and they took him.

15:38 And meanwhile, he had just been out on you know, some investigation and I had screamed to the top of the you know, screamed up the top of a mountain like come abduct me, and like basically open invitation. Right, and the next night it happens, right, So there is something going on, and it's consciousness connected. We know that they have the ability or or at least we know that there's the common theme telepathy, levitation, like you said, being able to pass through solid matter, so be able to so at that point, you're you're basically masters of the universe.

16:33 Right, If you can manipulate matter around you, I would consider you a god, right, most people would. So it leads me to what I've been talking about a lot lately, is that what if ancient cultures, right, they trying to tell us about these things, right, they trying to tell us. They try to say, listen, there are these others that are here, they live with us, maybe on Earth with us, but in a different dimension, or they live inside earth. That they were trying to tell us something. All these cultures are trying to tell us something.

17:09 Do you think the name as peace be just changed during the years from you know, fairy to god and demons to aliens and the or you kept by your dress? Oh definitely, I think Uh, I think a lot of those things are descriptors for what is the some sort of the same source for a lot of that stuff. Absolutely, And that also leads me to the connection of NDS near death experiences, righting that when I'm researching that as well. Yeah, right, but people, people see their loved ones, right, But others don't.

17:50 They see aliens or they would consider what we would consider non human intelligence. And you're seeing spirits of their love or aliens. So how how is this? How is that possible? Unless the realm, the after light or whatever we you know, want to want to dub it, whatever happens to us after we die? What if these some of these beings are are they have access to this realm? It's not out of the box thinking here, I mean, it really isn't. It's it's that you can see that there's clearly intelligent design to the universe, right, there's some sort of intelligent design.

18:33 I do not think that once we die it's lights out, curtains drawn black, right, Because a lot of people are like, oh, would have happened before you? Do you remember before you were born? No? No, And I think the reason that we come out as the only mammal that isn't ready to at least bend for itself a bit is a bit killing in that sense. Why can't we remember things until we're like five six years old? M you wipe without the last one life? Oh yeah, yeah, I've heard, I've heard of pre birth experiences that are rare where people remember the planning stage and this and that.

19:16 But it's interesting you mentioned the NDE thing because I know these crypto terrestrials have prophetic technology, which is basically it's not necessarily a crystal ball, it's perfect, but it calculates probabilities of outcomes. And I've read a lot of these NDEs that you get a life plan and then also you know there's certain you know, if somebody dies, sometimes they have access to a set of screens or events where they can change outcomes that would make their elemental body last longer. So there are definitely some similarities as far as calculating outcomes is concerned.

19:55 But yeah, the whole undie thing is I'm a bit newer to it, but I find it very interesting. Yeah, it's I mean, I highly if you haven't already, watched Leslie Keane series on Netflix

20:10 Surviving Death and then there's a new documentary involved death or Life after Death. I don't know what watch both of them there. They just they tell remarkable like like it's almost overwhelming in a way, and it really like it'll put you back, like it put me back, and you know, it's pretty hard to do. It's yeah for me to be job dropped, if you will. But all right, so let's continue. Yeah, we get more experiences to cover, so we have we have so much to cover. So uh, I didn't mean to side realist there, but yeah, so continue, uh you so okay?

20:53 Yeah. So basically I learned that these uh, these people were crypto terrestrals if you will want to call them that, or links of paranormal activity almost around the planet. I mean, they've got from what I've learned, they have subterranean habit habitations both underground and underwater,

21:11 which you know, Skinwalker Ranch is a good example. Also, the author Trey Hudson has a book called The Metal Project. You didn't disclose the location because you wanted to form a secret. There's a meadow in somewhere in the southern United States, Appalachia area which has the same type of stuff all those mountains activities. Mount Wilson Ranch has stuff going on. You know. Cool Pressure is a good friend of mine who will be coming back on the show as well. But there's I mean, uh, have you seen the show beyond Skinwalker Ranch?

21:44 Yes, I have. Nextually, there's actually some very compelling evidence of the people. I think I've found there in that Yeah, very cool. I mean there's there's these other hotspots that we're learning about, and it's like, wait, Skinwalker Ranch might just be the surface. Yeah, a piece of what's everywhere, you know. Just yeah, And that's why I love this topic because there it's just even if disclosure happened tomorrow, people ask, what would you do? Would you shut the show down? No? Then the questions really start.

22:27 But so, okay, so these crypto terrestrials, so al I am actually not as well burst in the crypto terrestrial hypothesis and uh the theory. So crypto terrestrial now that does include Bigfoot, right, I mean technically yeah it does. I mean I've learned a little bit about Bigfoot, but I've known or heard the cases of where he's or he or she has been reportedly scooping and out of UFOs before. So I think Bigfoot may or may not have a really yeah this this what if it's a prison for them? Right? Yeah?

23:09 A lot of people have thrown that around. What if it's uh, you know, you know, they get they get brought here or to do research and and we just you know, because of what they look like we assume that they're a monster, right like, because we've been so embedded in Frankenstein's style, you know, story books also obviously a monster. Right What if he's not? What if he's not? What if he's a scientist and he's smarter than every human on the planet. Well, I hope we get to find out one day, meets it meets so AnyWho I want to.

23:47 I want to get to at least two of these more recent experiences, because there's been there's been a handful, but so my my first one after the twenty eighteen event was it was early twenty twenty one, and I have learned about CE five, which is basically, you know, it's a type it's almost like a transcendental type of meditation. Really people are familiar with that. But we sent out a mantra I had. I was reaching out to these specific group of people that experiencer Ryan Musgrave Evans calls the Magin on the Gina.

24:21 There's a whole loaded story behind that name, but we can talk to you about that later. But then I as a glyph that he and a few other experiencers have that civilizes O'Ryan belt Orion's Belt because in their timeline, their dimension they are in. They settle on Orion's belt, and you you could think of it as time traveled. I everyone would like to look at it that way, because it's a good separate universe where they are. Homosapian descended this roughly fifty two thousand years ahead. Earth had problem, so a couple of factions went off to different parts of the galaxy.

24:58 But AnyWho, So I visualized this glyph in my head and kind of did the you know, kind of similar Steve Stephen Greer protcol where you you visualize your region geographically and you zoom in and zoom out to space and as as far as as far as like the Google Yeah, like the Google Earth feature, you know, yeah, like try to you kind of like, yeah, you pinpoint yourself, you kind of try to imitate it. And so I did that for I said, this is through the twenty twenty one. And I did that for about five six minutes, and then I felt some mental shift, like something that wasn't entirely in control of myself, like something that hacked me.

25:42 And then and this this when I say mind's eye was my eyes were closed. I could see color images, not just the imaginary, but color images of their faces, and they're very angular, uh, kind of like an exaggerated recent Witherspoon, big blue eyes, humanoid, but like a bit different. And there's like five faces that flashed in sequence. Some were more masculine, some were more found than some had even different hair files, which kind of finds these people actually when they walk amongst humans, sometimes they wear wigs because they generally they have some hair.

26:20 It's it's kind of thin blonde hair. It's not very substantial. But so I saw these color images of these five faces flash in my head, and I was just like I was a spectator at that point. I had no control of what was coming in. And then a woman started talking, and it was coming out of my right side. She was giving me an instruction. I couldn't quite make it out. She said, do not do this, do not hesitate something. I think in hindsight, she was telling me to calm down, because it was really As the expense carried on, it kept getting scary and scarier, and then I was like,

26:59 I can't take anymore. I started to resist who these became garbled and interference like a staticy TV, and then the whole signal snapped out. I was able to open my eyes, and I felt like something was in the room with me, and I was just kind of pretty not the most terrified I've been, but pretty scared. And eventually I was able to just kind of drift off to sleep again. And that was like the first, uh, I guess can say experience where I sought it helped. Yeah, a little more easy, easy, I do. I want to dive into that one.

27:41 Tell me, tell me the fear, the why? Why? Why were you fearful? Now? Was it was it that it was actually happening? It was kind of fear or was it a god, I'm actually getting a little too fucking scared. I'm getting a little too too, you know, backed up, I'm getting I'm getting you know. I guess I would describe it there's actually one more that even scared about. I'm getting that bit in a bit. But it was I was surprised because I didn't know if it was really gonna work, and then like, oh my god, something's happening, Like it was just you know, do you smell anything, Take me back to that room, Take me back to that moment.

28:44 You smell anything? Do you feel any thing? Do you hear any electrical hums anything. I mean, as far as from what I was saying. The most sensory I said, it was the audio of the voice coming in on my right side. For some reason, I was on the pill on the right side and it's coming in from the right side. Otherwise it was the sounds of the room. There was like a fan blowing or something smells I mean, not that I can recall, but no ammonia that It's funny mentioned that though, because I do have a couple of experience of friends who do have

29:21 the solve for stuff and the rock stuff, and I have my own theory about that being perhaps related to portals. And I have had instances where there's been topping and clicking, and I've read that that's uh, maybe a sign of something looking at you through a portal that's they can see through kind of like a one way mirror. That happened. That was like a whole separate deal. But but all right, so there's something in the room with you, right, Yeah, you you feel tremendous fear for whatever reason. Yeah, I think it was just oh my god, this is actually doing something I was It was kind of blowing my mind.

30:03 A little bit. Did it stop, like it's when the fear when you said enough, it was just okay, Yeah, I had to I had to like break away from it. Like Charles Hall mentioned in his testimonies that if you try significantly hard, you can break three of their electronic controls, or you can call it psychotronic controls or whatever you want to call it. But I remember struggling against the the influence, if you will, and I remember her voice getting like distorted because I was resisting. I was like, no, I can't take this, I can't take this.

30:45 And then it just kind of snapped out and I was able to open my eyes again. So I had I had to battle it a little bit. I guess you could say I wasn't threatened or anything. I was just it was a little bit too weird for me at that time, you know. It was just but but okay. But so back to that question, So, when the fear sets in and you say no more, does it stopt like, does it stop immediately? Stopped shortly there after? Right? So do you think it could sense that you were scared and it was like okay, okay, okay, we're done.

31:19 Probably judging from what I've what I believe and what I've learned about these people or cryptotrustrials. I think they can read your mind, feel your emotions. So I have no doubt that they we're aware of my state of mind and that yeah for sure. Okay, all right, and now after because that's a pretty wild like you know, it's it's a wild feeling I can only I can only imagine it was. But now now you walk out of that room know it. Well, Eventually you walk out of that room eventually knowing now that there's something to this, like there's something to the C five or whatever, or I can I can bring them here if I want right or to wherever I'm going to be, whether it's just the Great Pyramids, because I mean, that's my goal is to go to those places and meditate and try to bring in you know, like that.

32:27 That's my ultimate goal is to do that kind of stuff. So and it's becoming possible, and that's what's crazy to me. So you walk out the next day, what do you think because you just had you just had a night like so you just had what I would call your moment of conversion. Right, it's the day that you solidify your your knowledge that A it's real. B I'm going to dedicate my life because that's who has ever had a UFO experience or paranormal experience? And then just well, I guess there there have been plenty, but who's walked away once?

33:14 Once you get in, it's like, I'm not leaving until I find until the buffet is clean, you know. That's how I feel. Definitely, And it's been like I said, it's been challenging. It's been scary at times because there's there's one that I'm about to get into that was pretty intense, but oh no, I'm booked, you know.

33:44 So Yeah, So at that point, you're you're you're pretty, You're pretty, You're You're now are you becoming active on social media or you you're you're joining the communities you're obviously seeing you know what's happening with like you know, the New York Times until team, Like are you avidly aware of all these things? Oh? Yeah? I had been more or lessons like I said twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, but definitely, Uh yeah, I bet like I said, I think what message you. I've been on a few other podcasts.

34:16 I've even uh I've even written and recorded music about some of this stuff, which I was, Yeah, well, I want you to stick around after the show because I've I've a need and uh I think you can help with that. Uh well, well we'll talk. We'll talk about that after after the show ends. But all right, get into your year. So now you're now, you're in. Now you're engaging with the community, and you are full blown like like I'm you know, I'm here, this is this is it? Right? I want to find out what the hell is going on?

34:52 What happens next? All right? So I've learned along the way that you can find these crypto terrestrials paranormal location. It's not always, but a lot of times you can. And so there's a I'm in West Based again, there's a there's a there's an old place called Hell's Bridge and basically it's this old decrumpet footbridge from the eighteen hundreds and the murdered a bunch of children there or something. I don't know, but they say it's been haunted ever since. But they also said that there's floating black beings with red eyes that materialize and and that's the black beings with the red eyes that's just this is a sidetracked But these people present themselves in a variety of different outfits.

35:35 They present themselves in luminous suits, as Charles Hall said, you know they're called their skin is actually pale, pure white and the big blue eyes. But also these silvery black suits which experience experience here Antonio Lyllis Boas found he calls Musgrave Evans called Boas suits, and those are the super tap suits with like I said, through walls do all that stuff. Luminus suits can do that too, But they basically they have a variety of a couple different outfits that present themselves in and sometimes they get misidentified as tall grays just because they're wearing a different outfit.

36:08 But AnyWho, So I go to the site with my girlfriend and a bass player buddy of mine. It's a wooded area and I went out there with a recording of the Sira sounds. A lot of people can people were familiar with that, but it was it's associated with bigfoot research. Mm hmm. But but yeah, so a lot of people play crop circle sounds, you know, like because there I firmly believe that like frequencies and and like the music, like beats, like you know Native American drum beats. Uh, there's something to all that.

36:51 Yeah, Like so I think someone even said it, the key to the universe, right is late frequency sound? Yeah, I think I think what's Yeah? Yeah, I was gonna say, got the secret napkin? You got so that Bryce Able got the napkin? The guy told him, like, because Bryce Able is about to make dark skies and the I believe late nineties, early two thousands, and was it early thousands? I think, so, yeah, you's gotta be around there. But they're at a big party whatever whatever, and this guy walks up in a suit and talks and pulls Bryce and the other producer executive producer aside says that, hey, you know, we like what you're doing.

37:47 Mm hmm, you know, YadA, YadA, YadA. And he's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna get you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna write. I don't know the whole conversation. If you want to know it, codn't need to know. They very well. But on this guy draws in a napkin the keys to the Universe or the secrets of the Universe, and it's light frequency sound and Zabel say he lost the napkin and apparently he found it, so he now found not not good, which I think is crazy. So it makes sense though light frequency and

38:27 light frequency, Yeah, but that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, like this frequency anyway, So I'm gonna look it up in a second. But but but yeah, so the keys, there's definitely something to music. And you know these these uh, these these rhythms, I think they do enhance and help for sure. Yeah, someone they're playing those, and those sounds also have some interesting uh verbalizations. That sounds like the midst of Japanese experiences Sammy speaking. There's been experiencers that have said that's their natural language.

39:15 And so I was playing these in this area on my my phone cranked up and there were there were ghost hunters there looking for ghosts. But we saw at the site this theme before it gets super weird. We saw a lot of little weird floating uh fluorescent lights almost like fireflies and not quite and then both my friend and my girlfriends saw uh wispy soloettes of beings on all fours running up and down the trees, and one even ran towards my friend and disappeared.

39:58 I guess this is all anecdotally, you know. I you know, I was busy playing the sounds. I couldn't like videotape this very well. But then my friend saw two red lights similar to eyes go up the tree ten twelve feet up and then disappear. And then that was kind of the start of I scored myself with for that one. Yeah, we can go under that. By the way, I just want to mention that I was right. It was sound like frequency. Oh cool, sweet, So yeah, he's going to that, so going because that's wild. So so these these two red lights ascend like they're climbing the tree, like something is climbing the tree.

40:46 Yeah. So the so the red the eyes, Yeah, it was like, to my understanding, they're either part of a helmet or goggles. These a lot of times, these red eyes, and it was in my opinion, it belonged to a being or humanoid that was climbing in the tree. Okay, I mean, I've you ever heard of the viarrginia. Yeah, they have red eyes, and it's it's got to be some variation of uh, similar to the grays, you know, some some sort of similar characteristics because they look very similar. But The main difference is they they the Virginia extraterrestrials allegedly, right, the alleged extraterrestrials, although albeit I think we all know what really happened.

41:41 That's one of the most credible cases that I think there is. And they reported every single person, every single god dang person said they an intense ammonia rotten egg. Yeah, uh, sulfur smell, because that's what it is. That's the rotten egg smell. The sulfur U think about like when you strike a match, right, that sulfur being ignited. That smell, the rotten egg smell. So that is very very And another thing about the Varginia creature, it had clothing feet what do we what does that sound like to you?

42:27 What did you say about the feet again? Clothing feet, clothing, so so it's feet, right, it had three three three, but the middle one was longer. Oh okay, and that's what was in the the ground that the mother saw she dress it. It's like, you know, three in the middle ones like long, you know, like a like longer so and curled a little bit. So gotcha. That sounds like a demon, I mean sulfur red eyes, right, Yeah, that's the fire and brimstone. I mean, that's that's that tell me that's not like if someone saw that and it was hardcore Christian Like, these people were not hardcore, you know, the ladies and spiritual.

43:24 I think that it was the reason the girls ran is because they said they thought it was the devil, right. I mean, it has all the characteristics, but again leads me back to misinterpretations. Yeah, I think that's a good go to for a lot of the stuff I've also heard of. You know, I've got some experience for friends. They talk about the same types of smells where a portal it activates and then they see a different cut kind of being and sometimes similar to more similar on round walk, talking about these tall, pale beings that can get to nine feet if they if they live long enough, and other people other experiences.

44:04 The research that I've talked to have said that that that smell was often associated with the atmospheric effects of recent portal. I said, I can't prove all of that, but do you think they're using like some sort of black magic? And does that smell perhaps, I mean, can manipulate space and time for sure? Yeah, and and so so if it has an odor. I wonder if it's you know, because it's like you have to you know, these circumstances and you know, like a chemical thing. So and also in places like Skinwaka Ranch, they've smelled sulfur and oftentimes they talk about portals at a ranch.

44:52 So again I think, I think, I think you're on or something there, buddy. Well, yeah, you know, it's interesting for sure, So uh yeah, I want to Yeah, there's another really really cools this multiple, but this one's kind of one of the highlights for me so far. So I went to this place and then I came back. What was that? Are you saying this is a positive one? Mm hmmm. I mean it was a mixed bag. It was. I don't regret it, but it was absolutely terrifying, and but I got what I signed up for. So so basically I went back to the site a couple of times and different weird thun's happened, like there was wrestling in the tree branches and above me and leaves falling down for no apparent reason.

45:46 And then uh,

45:49 there's couple offer experiences, but there was one night where so this is weird. I wasn't sure if it was if I was in a trance or if it was a lucid dream. Either way it could have led to maybe potentially an abduction experience, or not not even an abduction experience, but un experience of missing time. So gone to bed, woke up two three, three in the morning, and there's a bright orange light outside the window. There's two windows and bedroom. And then my girlfriend of that cat was like staring at it, and I'm just kind of like that was just kind of really kind of blah or nonchalant.

46:32 Sorry, I'm sorry. Who who's staring at this? Our cat is staring at this orange light. I can see it too, but the cat is really interested in this orange light that's outside of one of the bedroom windows. And I was wondering, what what what that is. Then then out of nowhere, this is kind of a funny part of it, this thought comes into my head, Oh, that's just the supernova, don't worry about it. And I'm like, Okay, that's just the supernova. And then I I wanted to check the other window, so I got up, and this is where it got crazy.

47:08 I walked to the other endow. It looks out in the front yards midnight. I can see the big tree in the front yard, and you know it's crazy, but like seven foot tall, pure white humanoid walks right past the window. It took maybe a second the event maybe last to a second, maybe last pure terror because I didn't It was just like what Charles Fall talks about. Your mind doesn't know what it's looking at. And it was like a big, huge inhale and then they know I'm waking up. It's just like out of a movie or a TV show, jumping out of bed saying they're here.

47:47 You know, so cliche. But my girlfriend was like, was it real or was it a dream? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm thinking it could have been real or could they have these little wand like pencil tools the altered consciousness that can put you in a chrance. So it could have been the last memory I remembered while I was conscious, or he could have been like a lucid dream where they showed me that. But whatever it was, I was allowed to see it. I think, I know, yeah, I think, I know. I've had this theory for a while now that what it so?

48:24 The reason so they used to physically abduct people, right, it seems to slow down or dropped off or some I think I have theories about that too, but yeah, yeah, we think it dropped off. Yeah, because now they're they're taking us astray. Well, they don't even have to take our physical body anymore. They take our soul out of our body astrally and abduct that and and somehow can do things that you know. Again, I don't pretend to understand it. I'm just saying, what if because people are talking about this, like I have this, I had this stream and then you know, I woke up, but I'm still in my bed.

49:10 But back then, back in the day, it was like I saw a light in the sky and then all of a sudden, I was on a table. Right now, it's more like I can't tell if it was a dreamer, right, Yeah, so it was definitely if it was a dream, it was a perfect recreation in my room and there was an orange light outside the window. But yeah, like I said that, one's hard to say. What would you get back at your bed? Did you see did you did you know that the bed was empty? Your body wasn't there. Well, I don't know if I had that much information, because the last thing I remember is seeing the beam walk in front of the window and that was after that everything went blank and waking up.

49:54 So it's almost as if Matt was when memory was cut off or they pull or what if they pull your astral essence from your body? Right, so you stand up right, you see the cat, but the cat staring at this light and next thing you know, there's a being there to grab your astral boom. I just I mean, I'm not trying to fill your head with theories or anything. I think I think there's a possible possibility that that is why that it's it's another Oh what we all have cameras, Now, why is it then were getting shot to your folks well because they know we have cameras well.

50:37 So, like I was also saying on that, like sometimes I've got a buddy who did get a footage of an orb and people they just debate it. Yeah, that's you know, that's right. The way we are in this age of minorn technology, everything is fit even if it's not you know a lot of times. Yeah, I mean look at them age three seventies stuff. I mean, Ashton Is I had him on the show Man, I had on the show. Yeah, I saw I had him on the show. I got ridiculed for it, not only for doing it, but for apparently I interjected too many times because I have no idea about the case at all, like I went in blind, and

51:27 because at that point not a lot of people were giving him screen time. After my show is when he went on Julian Dorry. Then he was on Danny Jones, like after my show, all of a sudden, now he's everywhere, and I'm like, yeah, go ahead. I contributed to that because I did rejecting him Marvel. I have ties in Hollywood. That's where I started, and I have a good friend who just so happened to be the lead editor for Marvel Studios. And I sent them to a couple of videos. I said, could you make this in four days because that's the time frame, and he said, no, I could not.

52:14 I could not because you have to do research and how government systems work. Look, you have to you know, you need to do so much research, and that would take you, you know, a month or two, and then now you start creating, uh two, you need to create two videos that match simultaneously. But apparently the video has been debunked and now I just don't know, like I've asked Ashton to explain what's going on to me, and he just won't. There was there was something with so called I'm not an expert because it's always changing by day by day, but there's something about fake cloud assets or something that that the debunk rebunked, them got debunked, what got debunked?

53:03 So because I remember this that the cloud that they were saying that the cloud formation were saying that was bad. And then they said Ashton and some other I don't know, it was said that no, that indeed the clouds were fine. But even if I will say, even if the clouds were bad, there's a lot of things down there that are right at least. So it seems super right, fally right. And I've given it to some military person all myself behind closed doors, I asked, and come in, take a load of the video. Let me know, would you expect to see this, like not this video specifically, but are the colors correct?

53:50 Are the placements of the altimeters and all that? Is that all correct? And they're like, it looks good. I mean it's good, and this is yeah, it looks good. Whoever did if it was created, it was created by someone who knows what they're doing, Like, yeah, those government systems intimately, if it is, it's not made up the implications and like this is just pontifications on my part. But you notice how a lot of the bigger names in the field won't touch it. They lost Ross Coultart blocked him. I guess luel Zado's black, which you know, you can speculate on that.

54:33 But for me, it's almost as if this is ahead of the disclosure whe will if it is real, like it's this wasn't supposed to be revealed at this point in the out of the bag, right, Salt Foundation clearly have a timeline. Yeah, there's something going on and on privy to some of it all friends, and I am a founder you know. Now, I'm a founding member of the HDA, the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance, uh part you know, founded by Steven Bassett. So that's actually the first time I'm announcing it. So of course I am a founding member because I come from Hollywood and BUFO side.

55:26 So they asked me to to be a founding member and you can obviously contribute, right, like contribute it's pro bono, right, it's all my time, uh or some of my time will be dedicated to it. But the people that are involved with it are I mean we're talking top tier people right, top tier, and it's it's amazing, it's it's it's incredible civilian research. We got the Galileo Project, Saul Foundation, HDA, like all these cities and research groups. I feel like they're going to beat the go from into the pitch.

56:04 No. Yeah, probably maybe they are already on their way. Yeah. Do you think I'll ask you some personally, but the amount of confirmation that you have personally for me or just in general, No, No, you with the amount of confirmation that this is real that you personally have mm hmm. Do you feel bad for other people? Ah, that that don't that can't see that don't understand that they're they're just they're nine to five in it and they're they're they're sheep. I maybe a little bit. But at the end of the day, I think this is gonna be one of those things like now, now at least most of the world population knows that the world is around you got your flat earthers.

56:55 But it's gonna be something like that, you know, It'll be something like, Okay, we gotta get used to this reality. And it might be comfortable for some people, but I think they're good. You're gonna have to roll whether or get rolled over. I think it's just part of life, right. It's not like we considered the libraries when the internet was Yeah, yeah, there was. I saw some other day, I saw some article from the nineteen hundred saying nobody's gonna early under say they're not gonna adapt automobiles because you know, people like their horses.

57:30 They like feeding their horses, they like buying food from their horses, and you know the horse, yeah yeah, yeah, And then next thing you know, they're test driving uh goddamn a model tea, right yeah, and like yeah, that horse can fuck himself himself. But it's just they were attached to their horse, and people are attaching their figure to horse now, I think, or some people just aren't that interested. I've talked to some people that were like, oh, that's interesting, but okay whatever, you know, it doesn't affect their life like right now.

58:09 But but but but all right, here we have at astrophic disclosure as a word. As a word that's being like thrown around, right, and thrown around not in a sense like by the UFO community itself, but by the players, big ones, right big we're talking Danny Sheen right, that those kind of people are talking about catastrophic disclosure because of the Schumer Amendment being basically got it. Yeah, yep, See, we all have the same word. We're all using the same word gutted. And you know, Stephen passing him on the show, he did a you know, this is why this is still a step forward.

58:53 And I'm like, Steve, I get it, but the fucking thing was gutted, right, like if we know it was like we and yeah, if let me ask you something and this is you. Yeah, if if they just decided to reveal themselves tomorrow, do you think that there would be mass? I think it would depend on how it's done. All right, So let's I'm gonna Donna, I'm gonna give you a scenario. Yeah, not every major city, but but he points in countries. Right, where's out in New York City, Washington, d C, l A, Hong Kong, Uh, you know Moscow?

59:50 Right? Uh. They show up in the key places that they need to be. They don't have to show up at Joe Shmo and Kentucky. Right, that's you know, that's all. That's another one. Right, they show up in the middle of nowhere, get seen, and then all of a sudden the reporters swarm. But let's go back to they show up over some key places, and they show up in let's say fifteen to twenty shifts. But nothing happens, right, they don't annihilate us. They're sitting there. What do you think happens? Well, I would I would hope that there would be enough witnesses where it would override the mass media's urge to lie about it.

1:00:38 You know, if mass media is saying the hands paid for my private, corporate interesting primary space owned by the military industrial complex, whatever you say, whatever is whatever is driving the mass ignore all this. If you can get sustained sightings with thousands of people, all their cell phones blasting and all over social media parts, I mean, I think that would do the trip, even like, that's so funny. So last year I was second, they need to fly over the super Bowl, And that's not quite what we had.

1:01:08 We had those shootdown incidents. But if we say we had a couple of ships hovering over the super Bowl and then when the they just zoom out out of the way, the fire, just go back, come back and just let you know, come down to the halftime show, even if it's in a dome or something in a period like people might freak out for a second, but just like drop confetti or something. Yeah, I don't know, I personally don't. Holy, it's so holy, you dude. We obviously were doing live shows when that was happening, right the shootdowns, yeah, and the super Bowl was about to happen, and I Tom Cordeck zero he was still a part of the show at that time, and we're talking before one of the shows.

1:02:01 He goes, Dude, this whole time, like because it was the day after the super Bowl, He's like, the whole time, I'm thinking, what if they just popped over the super Bowl right, pop over the door literally like just what you just said. And that was like like all the other ones were to lead us to that, and then you know that that because dude, for a time, well during that I don't know if you like kind of remember, but dude, during those three or four days, it felt disclosurey oh yeah, it felt like we might be getting the truth right now.

1:02:41 Well even I'll even says the July twenty sixth hearing it felt like they were peeking over the disclosure line, almost ready to walk over it. But then Congress went on recess and then everything got delayed and the problems with the skiffs. Now, for me, it was like, oh, that's the biggest joke. It was like we were it was like were walked right up to the edge cross it. That's yeah, but I felt that way about as well. Yep, we failed, we failed there, we failed at that. I absolutely agree. I agree. So we have a couple more maths man, you have I think you have another experience to share.

1:03:21 Yeah, I've got a couple. I will do. You know what I'll do, I'll what's that? How many more do you have? But there's a bunch of little ones who are like poultry guys, sings getting moved around the house. But there's one where I actually got to have a conversation with one of these people in a in a lucid dream setting up. All right, this is the one I want to focus on. Then. Yeah, So I've got a Colorado friend who's an experiencer and he's had porto activity, He's seen the beings in his house. He filled an orb to go through his wall, and all that kind of stuff, and so whenever I would talk to him in the activity would get up because they knew I was interested in the whole thing.

1:04:00 And Ryan Musgrave Evans did this kind of musical, He did this musical tribute to them, and I did a version where I covered the song on guitar. I'm like, dude, play this song right now on your TV because they're there in the room with you, and he and he did that, and that night I had a lucid dream interaction where part of it was at my workplace, which which was a which still has is a FedEx s warehouse at the time day job, and I was interacting with one of the children and she was asking me, really, which is what made you choose this job?

1:04:33 And I was like, well, I found it on the internet and it was man, I'm like time. And then there was a part, there's a couple of weird parts where we went out in public and I was talking to an invisible person and I'm like, we have to get the hell out of here because people don't think I'm an idiot talking to somebody who's invisible. And then the cool part happened towards the end where so in the in the warehouse there's like these damdlines and all the trucks are parked and stuff. And then there's this wispy too, it tall, being about fifty feet from me, and it starts jogging towards me.

1:05:03 As it gets closer, it gets taller and taller and taller, and then it materializes. It looks kind of like a king's gesture, a comedian of the king's corn. And then I said to this guy, I said, you must be O'Brien. You orian's you know

1:05:24 where they went in their timeline, and he just smiled at me. And then I said, say, I've heard tell the lady by the name of the teacher, and that's a woman that Charles hall knews. I know someone who knows her. Do you know her? Then the reply was, yes, we know the teacher, but you might be disappointed if you were to ever meet her. And I said, oh, well, why would that be and then he said, because she's just a person like anybody else. And then I then I said, oh, I get that. I want to meet her because I've read a lot about her.

1:06:00 And this is the cool part, because look, something that says we approve of your logical conclusion of the situation, and that was it. But it was it's you know, so so let me get this straight. What so it because lucid dreams is something. Yeah, it's best, but no, I know, I've never done I've never had one. It happened, it happened after I had that guy showed the video on his TV. So it was timing was pretty uh, coincidental. It's that That's the thing is is, you know, we don't believe in coincidence, not around here at least, and so you don't have that experience about time.

1:06:52 It's too many things. There's too many, too many coincidences. I mean I have taken and you know Ayahuasca. Uh well, d MT. I haven't done in Ayahuaska, like the like the whole ritual style d MT. And I've been to other planes of existence, right, didn't feel like that outside of meditation, I haven't really experienced too hard with that. It felt it felt like it. It felt like a dream or or a state of consciousness where I was you were away in a way. I mean, I mean, I mean that's why I lose the dreams.

1:07:40 Like I was able to think freely and talk freely and communicate freely. And it was in a version like I said, it was they scanned my mind so that I knew my workplace looked like you know, Noah, for all I know, we could have actually been there and just been invisible for you know, for the way these psychotronic controls work like ahead, but yeah, so continue so so so you walk because I want to get up street. So they say to you, can you repeat the phrase yeah? Like the whole well, the whole conversation was kind of playful and wise, but they said, at the end of the conversation, we approve of your logical conclusion of the situations.

1:08:24 What they told me, What does that mean for me? It's like I call them, you know, Orion's you know, I think I think because there just this particular group is technically an alien per se. So I think that they were saying, Okay, you have some level of understanding of who we actually are. That that's just that's my my takeaway of it. How does this time too, and the Pyramids and Orion's Bell, Well, I mean, you can go down some rabit holes there, but we quickly roughly speaking, were roughly speaking under several pyramids, structures, Giza being one of the one point in history the formation line up with Orion's belt, the third star all Alam, which is the Great Pyramids, the middle start of Orion's belt.

1:09:19 And there's experience or testimony a lot from Ryan Musgrave Evans, which I trust very much because he kind of led me down to actually finding these people and his experience helped me get my experiences. But that could very well symbolize start all in alarm of Orion's belt. I said, that's a whole other conversation with interesting, interesting, and I do want to say this. So I'm watching here and for some reason, the member comments aren't coming through. Two people are two people left super chats.

1:09:56 A bunch of them said that you've already humble You're so I want to I want to read a couple to you because I can't pull them up. I would be able to pull him up typically, but it's not letting me for some random reason. So so anyway, Dave malan Kowski says, love listening to you, Ty, keep up the good work. For one, he's a member. Nick Carr said, Orion question mark, and then then he's talking about you, saying you're amazing, very humble, and then Sam Williams said, love y'all one night and night super Chat.

1:10:35 Thank you guys for the members. You guys literally are the lifeblood of the show. And I just I don't want to you guys going out thinking I'm not pulling your comments up, but for some reason they're not showing up for me on our side in the virtual studio. So I apologize for that, but just know that I can see them and I appreciate them, and that's why I'm calling it up. So and Jeff says thank you as well, because you know, there was some very nice comments about you, and there you are. You do have a very humble demeanor to you in your in your so have you just come to terms with it all?

1:11:15 Yeah, especially in the last year, I had some uh spirit box communication that that was well, talk to me about, talk to me about kind of kind of kind of my what my my Luella Zondo's somber moment wasn't really when I was like, oh this, there's no escaping this. What do you want about so moment? Oh well, I mean that like quoting him from his interview, Yeah, I mean it's kind of like when that moment when everything, clicks of things aren't really what you thought they were. Yeah, what I referred to as moment of conversion.

1:11:52 Yeah, I kind I've kind of had those along the way, but it's it's a bit of a process, like you kind of get a little closer. And then it was kind of like when I made peace with it but got an experience our friend in Florida, and I don't want to reveal that that person does not want to be identified, but this person said, you know they're around, you know, do you want me to send them your way? I talked to on this on this spirit app and I said, okay, you know, I was a little nervous about that, but I was very nervous actually because it's also weird new.

1:12:24 But I tried a couple of times and the first thing popped up was need trust, do not fear us. Oh, I'm sorry, and then I'm sorry, but yeah, it's just an app spirit it's a spirit talker app you can get on your phone. But said need trust, you do not? You do not fear us? And I said, yeah, I need to work on that, and that's so thank you for the respect. And then I did another session that night and I basically said can you help. I'm like, how can I help? On my phone? And it said tell our story. I'm like, who should I tell anyone?

1:13:05 And I said, well, I already wrote a song about it, because you know, like I said, I write songs about the stuff. And it said keep going, and then we are watching you all as you know, kind of like the thank humanity more or less, and then it said thank you for listening to us, and there there was there was other things in there too, but that was just like, yeah, you know this, Yeah I do. I think. Okay, it's got some similarities some stuff out there. No, I'm just I'm just I just want to make a note that what is this app called I can check?

1:13:45 You can find out for me Spirit Talker? Okay? And how does it work? It's it's it's like it's kind of like those ghosts on the shows where it picks up stuff off of the electric em spectrum and then a word will pop up and then if you're if you got your voice turned on the thing, we'll say the word. It's the basic algorithm is kind of weird. Sometimes it just spits out spooky stuff just because I think it wants people to be scared or you know, feel like the like it also say demon or dead body, you know.

1:14:26 But then through all that there'll be things that pop up instantly and if you respond to it, it'll respond instantly, And there might be some better versions of it out there. My mine's got like, I don't know, four star average on rating, but there's some that I think are rated higher for for whatever reason. Yeah, so there's a bunch of them. Spirit paranormal Spirit talker. Yeah, that's the one that got that's actually yeah, four bucks. What's the career app like ten? Oh? Probably, I'm guessing yeah, or twenty I think it is.

1:15:03 So I mean that that's actually pretty cheap. That's interesting. I'm actually gonna get it. I'm going to get them, and I'm gonna give it a try. They can give me maybe you can take it. So so we'll run our own experiment, just like that guy. Just like that guy sent them to you, I want you to send them to me. And if you know of like you know, spook your paranormal areas in your area, you can always take it there to take take it for a test drive, you know. But O, my god, Doudley Road, what's that Doudley Road.

1:15:39 Oh okay, So I'm in Boston, you know that, and close to Salem and the Fallow Up video game if you play video games for want of a big video game with some in Boston. So yeah, yeah, so you sail is about twenty minutes outside of Boston. I was actually there for folloween this this Halloween post. I've got a bunch of it b roll and I'm making a little mini documentary on YouTube, and it includes Dadley Road in bul Rica because there I uncovered like a temple in the middle of the woods, and I spoke to my grandfather, he tells me back before Middlesex Community College bought the land, he remembers seeing nuns from Dudley Road.

1:16:38 There's a nun are on Dudley Road that they were, they'd be ten of them and they'd be marching. Because it's only from where I am right now. Dadley Road is probably a fifteen minute walk, three minute car ride, five minute car ride right so that road. So they were marching, and they were marching in the woods where I uncovered this thing. I'll send you the videos of the of the of the temple and then this thing's it's made of stone. It's a circle, right, it's a big cylinder with no cover and it's got a perfect opening cut into it, right, and then right outside of it are four pyramids and that make a square.

1:17:27 There's a hit in the middle and then there's rods on the top of each pyramid. So picture the pyramids having like the top cone sliced off, and then it looks like something spun into it. Sorry, the camera's over here. I'm not usually on the other side. So picture pyramids, but like like the step pyramids look with the cone cut off. So but something and then there's like rebar, not rebar. It's much older than whatever you know what we make. Maybe maybe it is lonely making bars like that, but there's something there.

1:18:08 So like something screwed in or either went into the top of each of these. I assume fire right, something like a cross upside down. What if these witches, dude, these witches get found out and they get hanged from a tree, three of them outside Dudley Road in front with in a tree. The road's been haunted ever since by those nuns. One of the most haunted places in New England. And uh it's it's five minutes from my place, So I'm gonna bring it there and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna adds because I've already put the the the the documentary is kind of put together, but I need uh in person interviews people like in Salem and historians, so I have I don't think get all those, but now I'm gonna include that that's very interesting.

1:19:09 So I'm gonna cut all that out. By the way, Oh all everything we just talked about. Cool. So one sixteen to one twenty six. That's ten minutes one sixteen to twenty six. All right, Yeah, so I want you to do that. Can you send them to me like that guy? Send them to you all? I can try. I mean, the fact, the very fact that you're doing this podcast probably probably already puts you on the radar. But I'll do my best. It does because again, I'm in the room that my mother passed away on four three two one.

1:19:50 That was our death. Theat is four three twenty one, four three two one, and she died of rastpencil and that was the day that changed my life. I gave up podcasting for a while and I watched something to leave that room, and when I looked back at my mother. She was gone. I saw her leave mhm. And right now I'm staying in that room in between my leases. And this is a temp That's why this is a temporary studio. So things have been happening, weird things. So so yeah, I do think once you start searching this phenomenon out, uh, it finds you back and it's like, okay, you want to play.

1:20:52 What do you think about guys like Alistair Crowley and what they were doing? Oh? I mean what I think? I'm not, but I think that he was definitely in contact with one of the main species that has been visiting or interacts with this planet for some time. Just on my just on my basic knowledge of that dude, you know, I think he was in contact with real stuff. So and do you know he's friends are on Hobard, Jack Parsons, the father of rocketry, and Walt Disney and they were all like yeah together, So I mean, what, yeah, what were they doing?

1:21:44 Are they doing the same thing as five, like, you know, a variation of it? I mean maybe it's something similar, right, But it's very odd how one is seen as demonic, right, like when we talk but elisir Kinley and then summoning beings. We think of it as demonic, but when people go out in d C five, we don't. Some people might. But so why do you think that is? I think it's a It might be a cultural shift or just cultural that think makes sense, just the change of or just their basic assumptions, maybe maybe a little maybe a little less naturally superstitious about some things.

1:22:25 And I'm not saying there aren't there's a life after death or anything like that. I'm just saying that a lot of what is not understood is often gets thrown in the demonic bin, just just average automatically. Even even Chris Buds those stories, you know, they even said, oh you're crazy or you're playing with the devil. You know, they'll just something I don't gets thrown in the double bind a lot of times, just automatically. Mm hmm. Yeah, that's that. I don't know. I don't know what that is. But maybe it is a cultural thing, because I mean, there was a lot of like like like that in the seventies eighties, right like these satanic cults, right the Manson family.

1:23:11 But little did you know that the CIA is involved with right with projects like MK ultra right, So, I mean it's kind of crazy when you think about it. So talk to me about your lou Elizondo somber moment and then we'll wrap up and and I would love to have you back on and keep and and talk about you know, like current events and things that are happening. Yeah. Yeah, So basically the somber moment, as you want to call it, that its basically when I had the day after that that ghosts initial ghost Box Spear app conversation, and then I had another brief on the next day, which was now substantial, but it was just corroberting what happened.

1:23:57 It was just like it wasn't a bad feeling, it was just it was heavy, like this is oh, this is nothing. So I understood the weight of it fell onto you. Yeah, it was like I understood something that and I was dealing with it. I was fine with it, but I was like understood, I knew something that still the majority of the human race hasn't acclimated too. Yeah. Yeah, And that's why I asked you earlier, like do you feel bad for other people that just don't know, Like they don't they don't even understand what's happening around them.

1:24:36 I mean, I think it's gonna yes and no. I think it's gonna depend on the person. Like h Like I said, I've been through hard family stuff, and the hard family stuff was a lot harder than than this truth. But then again, you say you have an individual who's had a very set, rigid definition of reality. It was clum I think that you hold close to your personal truth and gets challenged, it can be really tough. And for me that was more personal in relationship stuff. But I imagine any kind of big thing that challenges your reality can shake things up.

1:25:17 I think you can overcome it, but it can be tough. You know, it'll be kind of the person, you know. For me, it was like a couple of days I was like, oh man, this is this is heavy, But then I I got used to it. Right, See you've you know when I talked to Kevin day right, and he had that same kind of moment or revelation because I mean his life got upended, he almost lost everything, he was drinking too much, yeah, YadA, YadA, YadA, got laughed into retirement right after a twenty year career headed for abirl Right.

1:26:00 I mean, they like the tech Tac incident. He's the guy who vectored Fraver out there in the first place. If it wasn't for Kevin Day, that incident, that to that minute incident, that doesn't occur. They just go on with training that day. So Kevin Day didn't get out there and say to the captain the ship, hey, skipper, we've got a real something going on here. I've been watching it for a couple of days now, these things dropping from at least a minimum of eighty thousand feet because that's the ceiling of the spy one radar, So these things could be dropping from lower orbit to sea level in less than a second.

1:26:51 Less people really let that sink in then a second. Whether this is military technology or not, I do not think it is. I know Greer in that camp they think that the tic TACs they are man made. I don't. We don't fall into that that belief yet. I'm willing to be proven otherwise though, because I understand Lockheed and all them. If they're reverse engineering, like saying, then yes, the tic TACs could be ours. But regardless, he that event took him to his core and he asked me that to my face, what if that happens to every single person on the planet at once.

1:27:43 Scary thought. Yeah, and it's so scary thought. So that's catastrophic disclosure. And I really hope they're not playing. What Greer talks about is the false flag operation. Yeah, that scares me. What do you what do you think about the false flag? I don't necessarily, I don't know. I don't from my encounters with the phenomenon, and I know the phenomenon itself isn't involved in that, And I'm skeptical of that. That's not my two cents. I'm skeptical of it too, I am, but it scares me still. I don't know why.

1:28:29 It's just like potentially I could see it, you know, the a government trying to do something like that, like the I could see something like that happening, and you know, it'd be like that's humans. There we go, right, humanity. It's best you like usual. But it is something that is very grandeur and like kind of delusional. But again, I'm want to say thank you for for coming here and and telling your story and for sharing with us some of it your experiences specifically, and maybe next time we can dive into more of you know, some of the deeper questions for sure.

1:29:14 Yeah, you know, these are ancient cultures and and you know that kind of stuff. Definitely. How can people get a hold of you if they want to chat with you further? You know, do you have do you have a podcast? Do you what do you do? You know you're a musician, your audio engineer. How can people get in contact with you? Brother? Yeah? Social media? I've got X, I've got Facebook. I've got a small little YouTube channel kind of uh talks about some of the stuff called the Future Human channel. And also if you want some entertainment, whether that's inspired by this stuff, I've got a record called Future Human under Captain Colena.

1:29:55 It's uh, it's hard rock Metalis type stuff. But there's got a couple of songs that are inspired by this, and there's a David Bowie cover. But yeah, that's on all those major streaming platforms. And there's also there's Twitter or X and Facebook and the YouTube channel. All right, brother, all right, and again we want to say thank you so much for joining us tonight and sharing our experience. This is our listener volume or Listener Experience volume four. Uh, and it's been amazing. I really like it.

1:30:28 I really like it. So again, again, if you are an experiencer, you're listening to the show, find my My email is always in the description of every episode. Reach out to me, and if you want to tell your story like Jeffrey did tonight, UH, then reach out and and of course I do have to go through like a little vetting process,

1:30:53 but it's you know, it's getting I'm getting better at doing the vetting of UH because there are people out there like just trying to, like you know, unfortunately, make stuff up. That's this field. There's the pros and the cons unfortunately, and we have to address it. So yeah, so reach out to me. I'd be happy to feature you as long as your story is you know, like things can be validated and and we can have a discussion about it. I'm more than happy to give you a platform. We are so happy here at TDP.

1:31:28 This new year, twenty twenty four is going to be an absolutely game changing year for our network, the TDP Studios. Not only are we doing the podcast and we're continuing the podcast, but we are endeavoring on the first of three documentaries of major documentaries, and the first one is going to be absolutely insane it's it's paping up to be something I couldn't even dream of. And uh, Jeffrey, I can't wait for you to see it really yeah man, So uh again, thank you everyone for tuning in tonight for our members.

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