#91 John Kirwin: "The Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide"

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2:12 M hm m h John, all right, excellent interest. Great to be with you, Tyler and your audience as well. Yeah, and and listen. Like I said when I when I started, when you reached out to me, I was like, I don't know if this is something that I don't know if this is something that I want to do. Now it wasn't you. It was like, does this is this gonna line up with what I do? Like UFOs cover ups? And then I started thinking to myself, why you know, why am I asking these questions? Of course it's gonna line up.

3:21 Of course they're gonna you know, of course it is all that doesn't matter. You know, I've had on recently people. I've had on more people recently that the community people reached out to me said, don't have them on. Don't you know it's gonna ruin your reputation, And those shows end up being the ones that have the most listeners, the most views, and it's just it's wild to me. So I'm done asking those questions and I'm ready to just have conversations. And before we get started, just maybe for an audience who doesn't know you, give us a brief overview of who you are and what led you to having this conversation with today.

4:00 Yeah, yeah, well yeah that was you said a lot there. Yeah, what just to kind of put it into a nutshell, what we what we seek to do today is just kind of explore a little bit different topic than we normally do as truthers. You know, we're all on this journey to try to figure out how the matrix is bamboozling us the UFO. We're in soft disclosure right now. I mean they got Senate hearings with guys saying yeah, we were in possession of botent biologicals, and the senators like, you mean human remains and he's like no, And they also are saying they have off world technology openly yes, And there's just a crescendo of sightings and all this stuff.

4:47 They just had a bunch of ets visit this village in Peru, tried to cut this girl's face off, and then you know, it's just everywhere, and so we're there's also a Senate one of the senators submitted a bill to force disclosure within the next twelve months. Yeah, Chuck Schumer. Yeah, what's being called the Schumer Amendment, which would essentially, uh, it would it would call for these private aerospace companies and anyone who has or is working on this stuff to be able to say, there's like this grace period where you can go to the government.

5:28 You don't have to turn it over, but you tell them where you got it, how you retrieved it, what you're working on it, what's the process, and there will be government oversight. So I think if that bill passes, then we're looking at a completely different uh, a completely different playground, right so right now? Yes, well, I mean the power structure obviously has decided to flip the switch. I mean, this stuff doesn't just happen because of public pressure or whatever they're they're ready to bring eat he's out Project Bluebeam.

6:00 However they're gonna do it. I think they're backed into a corner and they're gonna need to play the ET card, you know, have a big attack and another bioweapon and release whatever whatever they're gonna do. Right, So, but this, this is only one of a number of different conspiracies. You know, you might have found out NASA's lyning. Okay, the moon landing is fake. Iss guys are on wires. You may have found out the Earth is not a spinning ball, it's actually a flat stationary plane. You may have found out the Medel effect is real.

6:31 You may be in the patriot movement. Find out the government is all companies. It's all Title eighteen, deprivation of rights under color of law, it's all fake whatever, whatever the whatever the rabbit hole you fell into, it could be just one. It's enough to bring division between you and your spouse like it has me and hundreds of people that personally interact with. So so what we're talking about is not so much the UFO phenomenon on. We already know that it's the people that are important to us in our life that don't know.

7:04 And not only do they don't know, they don't want to know. So now you can't just ditch your family. You could ditch your friends, even if they're lifelong friends. But if you're married to somebody and they're a full blown nor me or your kids, you got a problem. Okay. So that was my journey, and so I've been a content creator for the last seven years on YouTube at Wake Up or Else. And I mean, it's universal. Okay, if you start to question officialdom, you're going to go into a crapstorm. That is like the Spanish Inquisition.

7:42 It's hell on Earth. And that's what the book is about. It's not trying to convince you conspiracy theories are happening. It's a book written for the conspiracy theorist. You already know it's happening. And it's about, now, what how do I deal with the pushback, the isolation, being disrespected by spouse and children and friends and church families, being pushed out, isolated, rejected, mocked, and you have no recourse because they tell you I don't want to talk about it. Understand, the central characteristic of enormy is they don't want to know.

8:20 Yeah, they put this wall up, and it's like it's whatever they can see, touch and feel, right, that's that's tangible to them. But but going beyond that is it's it's it's too much ontological shock for them to and and and those are the people who keep their bath. Those are the people when disclosure finally, when a full hard disclosure happens, or when one of these conspiracies isn't a conspiracy anymore, and it's truth to the to the public. In terms of the public, it becomes truth. Right JFK assassination, that the CIA definitely had a hand to play in it.

9:02 There's just there's too much evidence to suggest the fact that that was so that even if Lee Harvey Oswald was part of the the execution of JFK, he was a CIA asset at the time. Right, So, no matter what you play it. So when you start going down these rabbitols, yes, of course, then you start wanting to talk about it with the people that are closest to you, and you know, to veer off here a little bit. I'm friends with Kevin Day, very good friends with Kevin Day, and he was on the uss NIMTZ when they saw he is the guy that vectored Commander Fraver's flight to see the tic TAC.

9:42 He's the radar operator who raised the first flag and said, these things are dropping from a minimum a minimum of eighty thousand feet to sea level in less than a second. And there's at one point he said that were raining UFOs on his radar. Right the tic TAC flight happens, Frawer comes back. That's two thousand and four. From two thousand and four to twenty seventeen, Kevin Day is basically pushed out of the Navy as a laughing stock for wanting to raise awareness that these things are out there and there's a flight, there's a safety of flight issue, and you know, he wanted to be more safe.

10:24 These things are out there, we got to avoid them or you know whatever. They're there. Clearly we have seen them, we have videos of them. They're there, and the Navy literally would make fun of him, laugh and they laughed him into retirement. And then he lost his wife, he lost his life, he became an alcoholic, he drifted, he almost took his life. All of that happened between two thousand and four and twenty seventeen, So that's a prime example of what people face when they speak out. That's exactly it.

11:02 It's shocking, it's not shocking. It's very evident to me that this pushback, let's call it persecution, isolation is almost universal. Now, Like with spouses, I've seen that the majority of spouses, okay, you're going along both are We call them normies, and that's not a derogatory term that the unconvinced name themselves normy. Like my daughter one time said, Dad, I just wish you were normal. Yeah. Well, if you look up what normal means, normal means conforming to a standard, usual, typical, or expected.

11:41 Well, then I looked up conforming and it means complying with the rules. Okay, so falling line. Well, the quintessential characteristic of a truther, if we can use that term, is that you found out something like you were just sailing along like everybody, and all of a sudden, God taps you on his shoulder and he's like, hey, did you notice that that's fake? For me, it was the I found out the Federal Reserve wasn't federal. Well, here's what happens next, and this is almost universal too. You intuitively say, well, if that's not true, what else isn't true, And that's when you begin you get converted.

12:20 That's the moment of conversion, if I could say it that way, where do you you begin to question official them on the large scale. And I don't know how they do it. It's kind of the matrix is a physical construct, but it's also metaphysical. It's a bewitchment and you basically they get you to shut your brain off and it's like you're encased in stone and you just you're like an automaton. You don't question official them. And this act of questioning is the waking up. And so now you start looking at things with a new set of eyes, and you start turning over rocks and what you realize is everything is almost everything is fake and you're freaked out.

12:59 And then your spouse, your kids, your friends, they're just doing life. Okay, they're doing their happy life, and they look at you like you become obsessed. But you know, you know, people that are out building should be obsessed, all right, right? Right? Yeah? So what let me let me just pick up on one other thing, Tyler, what you were saying. You were talking about the people like right now it's raining red pills right. I mean, I don't know how the normy is going to reconcile their worldview with the things that they're finally pressing past their bubble.

13:41 Right. So, for instance, if you look at the data sphere, all of the psychology today, all of the media is telling you that it's a conspiracy if you suggest that there is a secret cabal running the world, like the Thirteen Families and all of this stuff is complete nonsense. Right. Yet, yet now you have Donald Trump running saying if you vote for me, I'll eliminate the deep state. Yes, okay, so there's a huge and then you got all these normies that like Trump. But now Trump is a complete conspiracy theorist kook right, because he's saying all the things we've been saying.

14:22 Another one is Builderberg. Builderberg was a conspiracy theory for years. Well, now they have a website. Now they got a website. Builderberg is a hotel where all of the world leaders met once a year to plan and strategize how they're going to run the world from behind the scenes. It's the deep state, And we were told Builderberg meetings don't exist. It's a conspiracy theory. If you go look it up. You can still find millions of articles saying that. But now they were forced into the open and they have a website, Builderberg Meetings dot org.

15:01 I think it is so, so what what? Unfortunately, though, the disciples asked Jesus, they said, what will the end days be like? And out of all the things that Jesus highlighted to answer that question, he said, it'll be as the days of Noah. And then he then he described one of the characteristics of the days of Noah. It was people will not have a clue. He said, they will be eating and drinking and given in marriage right up until the time the flood came. So I don't really believe when when these people that are normies who love Trump, they see Trump saying he'll eliminate the deep state, but if you ask him, they'll they'll mock you if you believe there's a secret cabal running things or Builderberg, you know, they'll see him talking about like Elon Musk called into the World Global councils.

15:57 It's world government uncloaked in front of us, and Elon Musk is like, I don't think it's a good idea that we have world government. If you ask the normies, Hey, is there such a thing as world government? They'll say, that's ridiculous. So it's just like Jesus said, the normies are gonna march right into the COVID camps. They're gonna march right into the mark of the beast with their eyes wide open, and they're and they'll have smiles on their face doing it. It's unbelievable. Yeah. And and and we saw, we really did see during COVID how quickly the government can shut this ship down.

16:39 Oh and it and it. Honestly, it frightened me. It frightened me to my core. Not the not the COVID. And we're probably gonna get demonetized just for even mentioning this. The COVID, it is not what scared me. What scared me is that the government could tell us who is essential and not essential. Right, So, if you're a if you're a family and you run a small mom in pop convenience store, uh well not well whatever whatever it is, dry cleaning shop,

17:14 haircutting, a salon, you were you were told you were not essential, and go home, shut the doors down, lock it up, go home. We just need two weeks flatten the curve. Then you can go back to your life. That two weeks turns into six months now all of a sudden, people lose their businesses right all because they were told they were not essential by a group of people who are the epitome of not essential, no question. So yes, I think a lot of people over the pandemic started to wake up to the fact that this isn't right.

17:51 It should not have been able to to go down like that. And you know, I think with everything that's happening with the UFO uh disclosure process, I think a lot of people are starting to come around, but we still have this large group of people who they just want to I don't know exist. It's like at this point for me, it's like I can't turn back. I've just seen. I've heard too much. I can't turn back. Once you see, you can't unsee. Yeah, And it's it's crazy to me. You you you before, you before your awakening let's call it, or your moment of conversion as you called it.

18:38 What were you doing? What what you know? Were you just uh normy you know with a family? Uh? What was your job? What did you do? What's your background? I was a full time pattern day trader, so I was day trading. That's why I was in the financial market. So I saw that the Federal Reserve wasn't federal, and I was like, this is like a white building in Washington. It's called the Federal Reserve, but it's actually it's owned by a private foreign bankers and it's a corporation in Puerto Rico. And I remember, looking back, it's sort of embarrassing, you know, because it's so obvious now, But then it was a revelation that all of the people, like the governors and the senators and the congressman, certainly they must know, right, So you go, wow, they're all lying, and then you just start to question officialdom.

19:32 And I think the next thing I saw was nine to eleven. I think was a seminal moment for a lot of people because that was so obvious. And not only was nine to eleven huge because you believe that there was government implementation, but it was the media. Like what got me was the media showed us the plane flying into the one side of the building, right, and then it comes out the other end for about two or three seconds before it snapped back. And in that two or three seconds, you can clearly see that the nose cone was completely intact.

20:06 Okay, So one of the documentaries they showed two or three commercial airliners that had bird hits, and those cone was crushed in completely from bird. How do you pass through a metallic like structured building. It's in a little bitum can going five hundred miles an hour and it's gonna go into a solid structure built to withstand hurricane winds, solid steel and steel eye beams and everything all the way through to the other side, and not even a dent. When I saw that, I realized this is a complete hoax.

20:41 And so well, wait a minute, so what are you saying happened? So so, do you think this plane was reinforced? Do you think that it was Do you think that it wasn't a plane? No planes? There's all different levels of theories, but I'm I'm with the no playe theory. For sure. We were showing CGI stuff. But what hit the what hit the things was you know, missiles, and then it was already wired with explosives. I mean, if you go, you go listen, Yeah, there was architecture for nine to eleven. Truth, there's like two thousand of them.

21:23 These guys are like look, dude, I build these things and I tear them down. Okay, that's what I do for a living. I designed these big buildings. I build them, and then we also tear them down. So what what I'm telling you is Building seven was controlled demolition. Period. They all had affidated Building seven is. You can clearly see that that is a controlled demolition. It is so. And I believe Jesse No, no, not Jesse uh Tyler olivera. He's a YouTuber. He he talked to one of the the chief of fire or whatever, and he is convinced that nine to eleven was not only an inside job, but a false flag operation to to to get us to get I mean there are so many I mean we look at George Bush seniors ties into into the Middle East, UH, the Bush family and their association with uh not only Osama bin Laden, but UH the Middle East and their oil.

22:35 We had a clear want and need for that oil and we were gonna do whatever was necessary to get it. And if that involved a false flag operation, then then so be it. And that's what a lot of people think happened, is that it was that it was a way to get us to go to war for the oil. Is that essentially what it was a lot of things. I mean, it was a three hundred and forty two page document that was ready to go like two days later, so it was already created. And primarily it was to centralize power. That's where everything is moving with not only all the money being in the hands of a few, but the power is centralizing in a world government.

23:19 So Patriot Act is designed to get us to willingly give up our freedoms freetforce security. Yeah, absolutely, and it works like a champ. I mean, you still hear it. You know, if you try to exercise your First and Fourth Amendment rights in public with law enforcement, you know they'll always tell you, well, in this day and age with nine to eleven, we have to violate your rights. Now, No, you don't unless you want to work claim. Yeah, that's not that's not how that should work. Like you know, you listen, I get it.

23:52 As a government, your duty is to the people to protect the people from from threat's foreign and domestic, and to to As the government, you're supposed to be working to make the everyday person's life easier and better. And you know that's what your goals should be. It shouldn't be to line your own pockets and to say fuck everybody else. That's and that's what it's become with you know, these lots these super packs and lobbyists and the government. The government is essentially a business. It's it's a it's a it's a it's a money laundering scheme at this point.

24:38 I mean, look at Nancy Pelosi and other people with the inside day trading and and all that. It's it's just it's remarkable that they're allowed to get away with these things and then to tell you you're not essential. Nancy Pelosi's got like a one hundred and seventy thousand dollars a year salary and she's worth one hundred and fifty million, which makes no sense. Now I'm going to list of all the senators net worths, and you know most of them are over fifty million. Yeah. I have a close relationship with with congress Member Shett.

25:10 He has been a real champion for the UFO topic, and he's like one of the only people in Congress that I respect. You know, he may not always some of his views I may not always agree with, but you know him Representative Luna. You know, these are the really the only people that in the government as of right now that I consider trustworthy at least in the sense that you know, they're trying to get this UFO topic off the ground and get it into the mainstream and you know, get it talked about, because I think if we can get the UFO disclosure, that first domino tipped over, then I think a lot of stuff comes after that.

25:57 And you know, you're a you're a conspiracy theorist, self proclaimed conspiracy theorist. But you know, where do you stand on the UFO stuff, because I mean, do you think that they're coming from other worlds? Do you? I mean, what's your what's your insight into this whole thing. Yeah, I've got a biblical worldview, so I look at everything through what has been revealed in the sacred writings. So you know, I have a perspective that there is a personal God. He's not like the force be with you. God is where God.

26:36 Everybody's got him. You know, there's just like an energy force or consciousness that you could tap into, because that's not what the Bible teaches, and so you can do you know, there's basically two kinds of people in the world. People believe the Bible and people that don't. So there's plenty of people that agree with me. So if you don't agree with me, that's fine. But that's that's the story I'm going with, and I've got plenty of empirical evidence to back it up. And I also have I also have knowledge that is beyond knowledge.

27:08 There's a scripture that says, let the peace of God, which passes understanding, keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. And that word passes knowledge is the word epigonosis. It means beyond knowledge. Okay, So you can know things like sixth sense, intuition, you know dejevu, premonitions, visions, there's a You're a complex being. You're not just a brain and a body. You have a soul, okay, mind, will, and emotions. You have a spirit. Man, it's an eternal spirit that is able to communicate directly with God bypassing your peanut brain.

27:47 So God speaks to people in their spirit. It's not head talk. It's heart talk,

27:55 and it's noble, and it's consistent and it's tangible. So a man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument. I could take down any atheist on empirical observations evolution. I'll debate you on the facts, but when it's all said and done, you know you can't take away meeting God in prayer every morning. You can't argue that away in any way. Okay. So, so what my view of is of the UFO phenomenon is that it's it's exactly the same as that little picture that we were shown in kindergarten and all through school where you got a monkey and then the monkey's standing up a little more and then he's a man.

28:38 Right, Monkey's a the man picture. Yep. Do you believe in evolution or do you believe in creationism? So I am a little different in the sense that I think that I think that evolution does happen, and I think that's just a biological trait that that have as as species to adapt and overcome to the the the environment around us, right, And that sometimes takes generation and longevity, and you know, you might not have it, but you'll face the struggle and then maybe your kids kids will be a little bit better at facing that struggle.

29:21 I think that's a real thing, right, We see it in nature. But there is clearly intelligent design to the universe in some form or fashion. So I do believe that there is something beyond beyond us. I just don't know exactly what it is. And I'm open to two other people's experiences because maybe it'll give me insight into some of my own right and I'm still on a journey of trying. I know there's something. I know this is not. We're not just pointless eat sacks on this pale blue dot. That's just it's there's too much intelligence, intelligent design to this universe, into the cosmos that we can see that.

30:11 It just it just wouldn't make sense that that we would be here and then gone. The the we see the universe recycles, and I just don't. I think our soul or consciousness, I think that is tangible. I think that is something. All right, Well, let's play around with that for a second, because you said a lot evolution does happen, is what you said, and you use cerent adaptation. You also mentioned survival of the fittest, and then this one I'd like to really ask you about. We see it in nature. Okay, So what you're saying is that there is there is archaeological evidence of transitional species.

30:55 So can you name one species transitional species that's been found in the strata that's not just an adaptation like Darwin's finches, right, Darwin said, pointed to these finches that have different beaks. But that's an interspecies adaptation, that's not a transitional species. So you have you go from a frog to a horse, you have to have a half frog half horse. Right, So can you name one transition? Yes, damn, I guess you can't.

31:30 Well, when you put it that way, I see where you I see where you're going with this, and and I and in your your logic you're using logic against me here. Well, I guess what I mean is wow, I guess maybe I'm maybe I'm falling into something that I was taught. All right, Well, if that's that's exactly what you're doing. I saw some people go on to college campuses and they asked the same questions to the students, and they couldn't come up with an answer anyway. What they did was they deferred to their teachers and they surely, surely the professors know, you know, and I trust them.

32:18 So then the guys went to the professors and they asked them the same thing, could you produce one example of a transitional species in the strata? And the professor goes, oh, I can give you hundreds, and he goes, well, all I'm asking for is one, And then he was hamming it on and when it came down to they couldn't produce one either. Okay, So evidence supports our position. The archaeological evidence supports creationism, not evolution. Well, where I was going with it was that even if evolution, I guess or adaptation is my way of looking at it.

32:56 Like, for instance, the clue, sure you are to the equator, people's skin got darker, right to mitigate the sun. Now that is an adaptation to the environment around you. Right, So it's not a species. It's no, No, it isn't right. I don't agree. I don't agree at all. I believe it's because I have a biblical worldview. I believe that it was a function of the fall and the Tower Babbel and all the other kinds of influences. I mean, if you're in the sun, you're going to be darker, and so anyway, the intelligence.

33:38 So what happens with evolution is the evidence is so overwhelming that evolution can't be supported, you know, with the evidence that even the I think it was nineteen ninety nine International Evolutionary Conference, they had to admit it was when they discovered the they mapped the genome. Okay, so they got down to the very tiny molecular level of the gene, and they were expecting something very simple because if you agree with evolution, it basically defies entropy, where everything becomes less and less complex over time.

34:18 So what it's basically saying is you started from a simple one cell and then became more complex, So that means if you get down to the gene, it should be very simple. What they found in the gene was imagine a little city block, okay, and you got a shoe store, a meat market, you got a restaurant and blah blah blah, and there's like there's like twenty stores on each corner, on each line of the block, going all the way around. Highly specialized functionality on one gene. Well, that means if it started out complex, there has to have been a creator, because you can't start you can't evolve into that it was started that way.

35:03 So they had to abandon evolution and they then transition to what you said intelligent design, and what that means is spam per span permia, no, panspermia and spermia yes, which is basically pushing the problem off to some distant star. And now we've been seated by alien life. Well, then you still have the same problem because you know, the aliens had to come out of the prime ordeal from somewhere, which is statistically ridiculous. It's impossible. You don't think that there's an inkling for for seeding life, no, because you have to, Like if you have a Word on your computer Microsoft, Word is a software program.

35:47 You take one line of code out and it won't work at all. So you can't start with one cell and then evolve into the complex thing because you have to have the whole code to begin with for to become that thing. You can't go You have to start at me. I listen, and you know what you've opened my eyes to that that is a very very compelling argument, I will say. So basically all that to say the alien the alien narrative, which is being pushed through one hundred different movie scenarios like Prometheus, where they go to the distant planet to find the engineers who are the ones that created us.

36:32 No. No, that's the same narrative as the monkey to the man, which is a lie. They want you to believe that there's no God, and so they're going to convince the world that we were, that we were created or engineered by ets. And what I'm telling you is the Bible doesn't teach that. The Bible tells you that God created you in the womb. You were knit together in the womb by God. He is your creator, and we weren't created by aliens. God created Adam and Eve in the garden. That's the story I'm going with.

37:07 Okay, and

37:10 let's play the devil's advocate here. Sure, right, Why would if God was this all powerful, being right and omnipotent, you know, just whatever

37:30 was he, why would he allow the forbidden fruit in the first place? Why would he allow his creation to be corrupted? Right? So, one day I was in New York and this guy was asking me for money, and I gave him some and I told him about the Lord and you know, trying to win his soul. And he was like, well, if God's all powerful, can he make a rock so heavy that he can't lift it up? I don't love the answers. So I was asking God, all right, God, I need to know the answer to this. So one day the Lord spoke to me and he said, the answer is that God the Father makes the rock that's so heavy that he can't pick it up, but then God the Son can pick it up.

38:19 Interesting, all right, So an answer to your question, which is the age old question, if God's good, why does he allow evil? Right? Because if God's all powerful and he allows little girls to be raped, then he obviously isn't powerful enough to stop it. Or if he's all loving and he allows little girls to be raped, he must not be all loving because he allows the girls to be raped. So the answer is that this side of eternity there is no answer. Okay, there's only small answers. One of them is free will.

38:55 So you've got a God that creates Adam and Eve in the garden and he places his tree of the knowledge of good and evil in there. And there's a whole narrative on why he did that, which we won't get into, but it's basically like, hey, I'm God and you're not.

39:13 Let's not let's keep things like in perspective here, I'm gonna let you run this thing. But when it comes down to it, I'm still God and I created you, and that gives me a claim on you. No excuses, no apologies, and in many cases, no full explanation. It's a take it or leave it offer. And you don't like that, then you leave it. But you don't get benefits of the promise of Jesus that says I'll put I'll put your name in the Lamb's Book of life, so when you draw your last breath, I'll be your advocate and you'll go to heaven.

39:44 I don't believe in heaven, Okay, I'm not here to convince anybody so, And and that's interesting. So what do you think about people that don't like because obviously there's many religions, there's many, many practicing religions across the world, and so what do you think happens to people that aren't

40:10 Christian? Right, Well, there's there are a lot of different faiths and religions, and basically Jesus was either the only true religion or he was a lying madman because he basically pushed himself off as being God in the flesh and he said I'm the way, the truth in the life and no man comes to the Father except through me. And there's other passages like neither is there any other name given under Heaven by which men must be saved? And then in the Old Testament it says God turns the wicked into hell and all the nations that forget God.

40:47 So it's not good news, and people get really ticked off of God. And I understand, you know, the way God runs his universe. You know, it's really hard to accept. And I'm sorry for your problems. But like I said, I met the guy and he's the nicest guy I ever met, and I'm running with him. You can come too, But if you want to be ticked off of him, then you're on your own when you enjoy your last breath. See, I need that salvation piece. Okay, so all the stuff, all the stuff doesn't add up for me. I just put it in a box like I don't hold him in derision.

41:19 What I do is I ascribe my inability to understand the difficult questions to my peanut brain. Okay, try to explain how a Craig supercomputer works to an ant. Let me explain it to you, Aunt, and the ant's looking at you. You know, and even if you had a trillion centuries, you couldn't explain how the thing works to the ant because he doesn't have the capacity. So it may be that you can't. Probably even if God sat you down and tried to explain it to you bounce off your little peanut brain. And so you have to come by faith to some degree.

41:56 Oh you believe in what I see? Okay, Okay, have a have a good chance when you take your last breath. Bro

42:04 Right, that's that's funny. So let's move on. So let's talk about flat Earth because you you brought it up early. Listen, there is there is a lot, a lot of a lot of a lot of Tyler. Yeah, man, I I'm really here on this one. So there's been so much turmoil with flat earth and listen, I I really like there's one one thing about the idea. Now. I was watching Tyler olivera and again he was investigating flat Earth and he who's the guy that is like really outspoken and he's like not the de facto like Lee Year of flat Earth, but like kind of I don't know, Like I just had a flat Earth Dave on my channel A couple is that?

43:08 Who it is? He's like the balder bald guy. He's making a lot of noise. Eric Dubey is probably, you know, one of the leaders initially. Anyway, he brought a lot of interest to this topic. And you know, it's nothing new. I think it's Flat Earth Dave that I'm talking about. Yeah, I just had him on my channel a couple of days ago. Well, maybe you could put me in touch with them, and but listen, So he says something that I find to be really really fascinating. And so the typical flat Earth map. I wish I could pull it up.

43:45 I wish I had time to do that right now. But basically what he's explained it to Tyler is, you know, he shows him the concentric ring, you know, the the map and talks about it and he's like, okay, so we're here right if we're in the middle, and it was created for us, right beyond the ice wall, there's these other well he started lining it up and he said it's extra and then it's extra terrain, extra terrestrial. And he said that some of these craft that we're seeing could be coming from beyond the outer Ring and we're calling them you you know, uh, we're calling them extra terrestrials or you know, aliens, because they come from beyond like our inner circle, our where we live, right, but it's still part of our world, like they're still from part of our world.

44:45 It's just they're beyond that that ice wall ring. Now, maybe you can explain that to me better. I right, Well, if you, if you,

44:57 if you embrace flat Earth, then it will dramatic change your perspective of UFOs that they're coming, you know, over hundreds of light years because the Earth is flat and stationary with a dome over it, and so there is no space to flat Earth. It's all a fabrication of NASA. And it's very clear that what we're being told is not what our eyes are seeing. And as far as the Earth being flat, if it's round, why is it flat? Okay, because you could see lighthouses from fifty miles away in a clear night, and all of the math is the same.

45:31 It's ridiculous to suggest that the math is wrong. We're using NASAs eight inches per mile squared, and all four of the main curvature calculators on the internet, which are guys from MIT, and all the top math they all agree. Okay, so the math is not incorrect. So basically, if you're fifty miles away, there should be about sixteen seventeen hundred feet of curvature drop. Basically, So I did the thing on the Chicago skyline. You can see it in its entirety from the opposite shore of Lake Michigan.

46:07 But I used the video Rob Skiba did where he rented a boat to dispel the idea that it's atmospheric lensing or some mirage, because he filmed it from one side to the other and you could see the skyline the whole time, which all of recorded history tells us that wouldn't have been the case if it was anything atmospheric. Plus atmospheric actually supports our position because it would cause the image you're seeing to bend down towards the Earth, not projected up. A superior mirage is very rare. You have to have very specific atmospheric conditions to have a superior mirage where it actually projects the image up higher.

46:49 Well, you can see the Kago skyline twenty four to seven basically if it's clear, so it isn't going around corners. Okay, the image of the sky line. What we're being asked to believe is the entire image of the skyline is being projected around sixteen hundred feet of curvature and then coming to our eyes, it's going around corners. Okay, the answer is no. All of recorder history says no, the math even says no, and the guy riding across the lake with this camera rolling says no. So it's not atmospheric.

47:25 Okay. So the only other objection you can have is two things. My math is wrong. That's no, because all of the MIT calculators that have been online for ten years disagree with you. And then the last one is that we don't have the actual height above elevation for the observer and the object, which I also did. I got the sea level for Lake Michigan. I added about eight feet for the guy on a boat, so I have the exact level above sea level of the observer and the exact level sea level of the Seers building, which is what the guys GPS was tagged to.

48:04 So then we have the exact distance. So I have the exact distance the height above sea level for both objects, and I show the visual of the fact that you could still see three quarters of the building from forty miles away. Thirty seven nautical miles. Now you only should have seen about the little, very tippy top of it from forty miles and you can see three quarters of the building. Okay, So if it's not the math, it's not atmospheric, it's not the heights are wrong. The only thing left you could say is either it's photoshop that I'm lying, which you'd have to prove.

48:43 Okay. So if it's not that, then the only thing you can say is, well, it's flat there, but it's not flat everywhere else. But that's not true either, because you could do this anywhere you want. I was at Myrtle Beach and I got Google Earth or whatever, and I saw that where we were in North Myrtle Beach and there was a hotel, tell about forty miles down the beach, and I got my binoculars. I could see the bottom of the hotel. You can do it everywhere. So my question to you is, if the Earth is round, why is it flat?

49:13 There is no curve? Where's the curve? Because if it's if it's twenty seven thousand miles around and NASA tells you it's eight inches from mile square, there should be measurable curvature, and you can't find it anywhere. Asks are coming forward that are seeing this and they're like, this was ridiculous. So it's ridiculous. There are just flat it's ridiculus. They start looking into it and they're like, hmm, this is very inter Why So I guess the biggest question people would have is why why about such a thing monkey to the man?

49:49 Why put the monkey to the man in front of you? Because they're all Freemasons and they don't want you to believe in God. They work for the devil. They're Luciferian and they don't like God. They think the devil's the good and he got a raw deal and he's coming back to save him. But they're for root of making it Isaiah fourteen. They're gonna say, is this not the one that caused nations to tremble? So the real deal is that the people in charge going back to all the way to Galileo or free Masons, they all got their rings and their little Mason compass thing and everything they do and they're basically pushing a narrative of the monkey to the man proves there's no God.

50:25 You were you evolved from monkeys there's no God the earth. There's a spinning ball. Was I used to believe this. It was spinning gases and it spun around for billions of years until it hardened, then clouds form. Okay, well that means there's no God involved. The Bible Genesis says God created the earth, and then it says, and he placed a firmament in the sky. The word means a hard impenetrable barrier. Okay, that's what it means. He put a harder penetral barrier in the sky. Okay.

51:04 So that's the dome that you talk about. Yeah, yeah, and

51:12 we can't get out. No, So there's and there's nothing. What's on the outside of that dome. Well, what it says is there's waters below, there's waters above. And when you look at the pictures that you have are given from NASA, which means deception and Hebrew, and their sigil is a snake comh. They give you these jeep these uh photoshop pictures of planets. But when you look at it with a Nikon piece three sixty or whatever it's called, h, they look like flickering Christmas lights that are underwater.

51:46 That's what they actually look like. You know, I've always wondered why the sky looks the way it looks like it. It looks almost like And I'm not listen, I'm not sold on flat earth. I'm gonna be up front. Why not. Why aren't you sold on flatter? It's flat? I just I'm not convinced yet. And listen, it's it's nothing against you, it's nothing against hard pill a swallow. But if you know that water always finds its level, the water is always level. The water doesn't curve around balls, especially a spinning ball.

52:21 Look if they argue that gravity keeps it there, okay, So how does gravity keep eight a tillion tons of water on a spinning ball, but the butterfly can effortlessly flitter up from the ground. Is it selectively? Uh? Strong? Is it? Because if it's strong enough to hold the water on a spinning ball, because centrifugal force would throw the water off. It's not a magical ball. Okay. So it's spinning at one thousand miles an hour. That would throw off anything on the ball. But gravity is holding it on there.

52:53 Okay, that must be pretty strong. So how does the butterfly flitter up from the ground, or the birds or the bees dage. How does that happen? The very that's a like I said, that's a very good that's a good comeback. And and and I like this discord, like I like I like that kind of stuff because it does make me think and maybe, hey, if I'm proven wrong one and all of a sudden it comes out that we have been lied to, I would accept it. I wouldn't because because I mean, what else do you have at that point?

53:31 You have to accept it. But

53:34 I just I have the hardest time with grappling the why. And I guess you talked about it Freemasonry. I mean, if we look at Washington and Washington was built in like a Masonic way with with you know there there is a lot of cryptic evidence for it. Uh So do you think Freemasonry is behind a lot of the the the stuff? Do you think that a lot of government? Well, I would like to make the observation that that why is a very common exit ramp. Okay. In other words, the real problem with flat earth is your pride.

54:14 Now I'm not saying you because you're actually you're actually uh actually got grace and you're in control of your your triggered response you're not. You're not acting like a normy, which a lot of truthers act like normies when it comes to flat Earth. So I appreciate that, but you are. You are trying to put off the empirical observations which are searingly obvious to this question that is maybe unanswerable, and basically there's an insinuation there. Since I can't answer why it's happening, then I don't have to accept the empirical evidence that's what's happening, even if you don't realize it.

54:50 So every my comeback would be so every airline pilot in the world is in on this. No, no, most of them. Many of them are not in on it, but but a lot are. Many are, and that's because if they say anything, they'll lose their jobs. But my point is why why it's happening isn't proof that it isn't happening. That's what I'm saying. That's I agree with that. I agree with you there I give it any credence because scientism scientism is either hail mary uh, you know, guesses or virtually like premeditated lies packaged as proof by guys in white lab coats.

55:39 Science is observable, it's repeatable, it's verifiable. Okay, So what I can verify is not what the Hubble telescope sends me or anything NASA tells me. What I can verify is that if I go out anywhere on this place that we live, anywhere, with a telescope and a guy fifty miles away with a mirror or some some you know experiment that you set up yourself, or just observing an object using Google Maps, whatever. You can do this yourself, and you should. And you can check the math eight inches per mile square, so two miles will be sixteen, three miles be thirty two, right, so you know the curvature measurements.

56:23 And then you just look and you'll see the building. You'll see it, and then you'll go, well, that's that building should be obscured behind sixteen hundred feet of curvature. I can see the whole thing. Hmmm. Let's go over and do it over here, and everywhere you go your eyes will be telling you something different than Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill ny the science guy. And so then you have aion to me. You have to decide if you believe what you're told and you're gonna have to swallow your pride and have one good despair and get it over with like the rest of us, because what's basically happening underneath ninety percent of the pushback is pride.

57:04 Because what you're saying, I'm not saying you. I'm saying if you're thinking to yourself, if this is true, I'd have to be really stupid and I'm smart. Well, you're dealing with masters of illusion and a lifetime of doctrination. Okay, these guys are really good at lesser magic they do and man, they are like oooh, they're working directly with Satan and they pulled the over all of our eyes. But there's a great away taking place. There is a lot of evidence as to suggest that. I mean, we look at operation uh operation oh shit, what was the name of it?

57:48 Well, yes, it had to do with paper clip. But there was a lot of a cult in NASA. Like there was a lot of like like uh rituals being taking place and people you know hanging out with you know, people the likes of Aleister Crowley and uh, you know, l Ron Hubbard and uh, there was just a lot of like weird stuff going on. And then like you know, Bohemian grove and places like that. Like you just you start asking yourself questions like like what are these people into? Like if you have all the money in the world, what what what?

58:28 What what do you do from there? Yeah? Well, people to worship you, Like that's what Satan said. Satan said, I will be like the most high. I will descend to the hills of the north. I will walk among the stones of fire. He got he was like the right hand man to God. He was like a super dude. Wasn't he God's wasn't he God's favorite son? Well? He was. It says that his body was made of instruments. Apparently he was in like the worship leader of Heaven. I mean, this dude was rolling up there, and I guess he in the mirror too much and he got lifted up in pride and he started thinking, all these people follow me up here, Why do I have to worship God?

59:08 I'm going to get these people to worship God. So that's what he got cast down for. Because it's like the garden thing where God put the tree in there. He said, look, I'm going to create you and make you awesome and give you all kinds of nobility and power. But just let's keep this in perspective. Here, you are a created being. I have no beginning and no end. I have all power, all knowledge, all wisdom, all my divine perfections of love, righteousness, holiness are all infinite. You could never exhaust what I am.

59:40 You, on the other hand, are at a creation date. Prior to me creating you, you didn't exist. Just keep that in perspective. So he didn't want to do that, and so he decided to try to overthrow God, and he got the boot Right's story. You know what's funny is I'm very good friends with Mark Pellegrino, who plays Lucifer on super who played Lucifer on Supernatural, and he got really into the stories and and and and whenever I would have him on, we talk about like the theological stuff, like when it comes to Lucifer, and like there's a lot of there's a lot people don't really understand, Like some people don't even know that Lucifer was an angel, right, Like he wasn't always this.

1:00:36 He was at one time God's favorite right or God's right hand man, whatever you want to say, and was cast down because yes he I you know there there's I think there's two kind of versions right where he became too prideful and wanted to be not overthrow God but become become God, not become God, but be worshiped like him. And then is it is it right that he did not like that they were being told to bow to the human race? Say that again? So God was after God created man. He told the angels or the the heaven and angel angels in heaven that they were to be in service of these people, that these lesser beings, as Lucifer thought, because they were they were lesser, They weren't as you know, they were what what he called like you know, warring apes.

1:01:46 Right. So so he didn't want to bow down to humanity, but he wanted to have humanity worship him. And yeah, that's for sure. There's description Hebrews that's says are they speaking of angels? It says, are they not all ministering spirits sent forth for the inheritors of salvation? Mm hmmm. And so there's some serious animosity there with Lucy. He doesn't like humans because they got they got what he lost, right, right, And that's why he's now a hell bent on corruption right, corrupting the human soul.

1:02:29 And that's you know, at least what I know. So that's it's it's really interesting. Now you brought up the Mandela effect earlier and you have a little it looks like you've gotten a little bit further into it. Now. What most people think about the Mandela effect is like the Berenstein bears right that you know, it was spelled a different way, and and that's what they know. The Mendela effect as right, like something that they knew was true, but when they go back and look is now not and they know they know that it was true.

1:03:12 And this originated by the uh really like this fake not fake. But people believe that Nelson Mandela died in prison, but he didn't. So that's where the Mendela name comes from, right yep. Yeah, And a lot of people try to suggest it was named by Fiona Broom, who's a witch. Therefore it's not true. But if the devil came and told you the sky was blue, would you then not believe the sky is blue because the devil told you it was That's an interesting thought, all right, So let me lay this out. I've been doing this for seven years.

1:03:50 This is all I talk about for seven years, pretty much my whole life is the Mendela effect. Specifically, the things that are changing in our reality include the Bible. So coming from a ministry background and a biblical worldview, I'm dealing with the fact that the scriptures are included in the things that are changing, which makes wild makes a lot of people very upset because they're misinterpreting a handful of scriptures that they believe teach the Bible couldn't be subject to an external attack like this.

1:04:23 However, Daniel seven to twenty five, Amus eight to eleven, Second, Thessalonians two and Revelation thirteen and Revelation twenty two all teach you that this was foretold in advance. So I'm coming from strong biblical authority that you're wrong and I'm right, okay, And I have the testimony of millions of people which can't be brushed aside as people that are just crazy. We have seven different types of proof. And the Bible doesn't teach that it can't change. It teaches that the word of God can't change.

1:04:58 The word in the Scripture of God word of God are not the same thing. So without getting into a lot of detail. That's the premise of why it can happen. And God's not a liar. The devil doesn't have that much power. John Well, of course he doesn't. He's a defeated foe. He's a dog on a leash. However, there was an account in Job where the devil came before God and had a debate with him, and what God ended up telling the devil is all that Job has is in your power. So the devil doesn't have that much power unless God gives it to him, which on occasion he does, Okay, and this is one of those occasions.

1:05:36 Read Revelation thirteen. It says, speaking of the Antichrist, he has given power and permission to wage war against the saints and prevail against them. So I can assure you that this is happening, and God's not a liar. God is still on the throne, He's still all powerful, and the devil is still defeated. But Amos eight to eleven clearly states God said I will in the last days I God says, I will send a famine in the land, but not a famine of bread. It'll be a famine of the word. Man will seek the word and we'll not be able to find it.

1:06:13 That will travel to the north, the southeast, and the west, but they will not find the word. Well, how could that be? In modernity? We have the word on flash drives. It's everywhere. It's happening. It's an end time sign and wonder and it's happening right under the nose of the church and it and it's so it's easier now because oh my god, that's crazy. That's a crazy thought. So okay, so let me just break it down. Do you think someone what's that? Who so is someone? Does someone have access to a time machine and is going back?

1:06:55 And or is this more biblical? Right? We don't really know. I mean Enoch nailed it in Enoch chapter eighty, verse two. He says in the last days, all things on the earth will alter and will be out of their time. Okay, so that describes it perfectly. I mean, so is what you're saying is we're living through that right now? Oh yeah, it's totally happening. I mean, there's thousands the world is on fire, but there's thousands of channels on all the platforms talking. Just put Mandela effect into TikTok or YouTube or well, YouTube you'll get I know, I see it all the time.

1:07:35 I see the algorithm is going to point you to debunking sites. But if you go to rumble, Bitch, you TikTok, you'll you'll, you know, you'll get people like my channel, my channels, wake up or else all one word on YouTube video. Yeah, I'll have it in the link for everyone to click. So basically, your name is Tyler. All right. So let's say you wake up one morning and your name is Skyler. Now there's an S on the front sk that sounds the same, but it's not the same. All right, So you're totally freaked out.

1:08:08 You know, all of your bank statements say Skyler, your versificate, cabage license, your credit cards, everything in the data sphere is telling you your name has not only been is Skylar, it's always been Skylar, all the way back to your yearbook. It's Skylar. Okay. So you go to the doctor and you don't have a brain tomor you don't have mental illness. Right, My question to you is would you consider that experience an unexplainable supernatural phenomenon? Yes? Or no? Absolutely? Okay. Now by saying yes, what you're doing is you're testifying that you believe that the human memory is extremely reliable when it comes to vivid memories.

1:08:56 Okay, because in other words, you're like, I don't care what the data sphere says. I know what my name is, bro Yes, right, absolutely, yes, you can't shake you off of what you know. Well, that's your human memory being reliable with vivid memories. Okay. So you're willing to go against you know, all the rational arguments. Oh, I can clear this up, John, You're just misremembering. You're just confusing the platter's peanut guy with the monopoly guy. Really, really do you know that? Is that a fact?

1:09:30 Or is that your your hypothesis? Because I believe differently, don't tell me what my belief is, Okay. I don't take edicts from people, especially when they haven't lifted a finger to look into this. Okay. So you wake up and now your name is Skyler, and you decide, okay, this is an unexplainable phenomenon. Now I come along and I say, Skyler, you're just misremembering. Now what are you gonna tell me? No, I'm not, You're an idiot, thank you. That's our world. Yeah, because that's what's put millions.

1:10:07 According to my research, it's millions of people are now claiming that they've woken up to this. They've reluctantly conceded that this is happening, even though it seems irrational. It's more irrational changing. Oh yeah, people's names are changing. John Joel Olstein is now Joel Ostein. There's no L. Christopher Reeves is now Christopher Reeve, there's no S or No, it's now has an S. Sally Fields. Oh okay, I know, I see where you're going with it. So how about this the word judgment? Spell the word judgment.

1:10:48 There's a lot of words that are spelled wrong. Okay,

1:10:54 j U, D G, E, M E N T. Wow, you wouldn't put Most people put the e in there. I certainly did. Anyway, I could go through all the examples, brags, apple, citer, depends is now depend You can depend on depends? Well, no you can't. It's now depend It's always been that way. And the difficult thing is when we see these things have changed, it hasn't changed like two years ago, and before that it was a way. It's always been the way it is now. Now Here's where it gets really difficult for the unconvinced.

1:11:32 Is our community observed four flip flops. Okay, flip flops is where these things change and then they change back again. So flintstones became flintstones, and then about eight months later it changed back to flintstones. And you've got to understand this is not photoshop tricks, because we went into the walmarts. We do our research, okay, and we saw on the lunch box, no no T flintstones, which makes no sense because everything in the flintstones is a rock, Barney Rubbel, mister sleet bedrock flint, Okay, flint is a stone.

1:12:13 Well, all of a sudden, there's no tea. And now our entire community of hundreds of thousands or millions of people observed this thing changed, we made videos about it, and then it changed back. So please explain to me how all of us witnessed that. That's I did not know that happened. That is anything. If we don't have an explanation, what Sherlock's home set comes into play. If you eliminate all the suspects, the only one left, no matter how unlikely, is the murderer. So if you can't give me an explanation for about ten different observations like the flip flops.

1:12:51 Your answer is I don't know, John. Then what happens is my testimony gets entered into the court of pub opinion as evidence. And if you look up the term evidence, it means what is true and valid. Because what's happening is our testimony is like yours, your name changes and you're very adamant about it. You're not. You're not moved by edicts and decrees people telling you what you believe. No, I know my name, Okay. I know that the Monopoly guy always had a monocle and now he doesn't have one. He never had one in any of the Well, John, I can clear this up.

1:13:31 Companies change their logos. Okay, Well did you look into that, like, did you actually research the Monopoly guy all the way back to the original trademark, Because I did, And He's what I can tell you is it never had a monocle in any of the never never. And that's one that that's one that hits me in my gut because I know the dude had a monocle. Dude, I know it. I know it, I know it exactly. I know it. Listen, I don't tell this to many people. I had like this experience and maybe it was like I don't know, not eight nine years ago where all of a sudden I went through these like radical changes where I was having like out of body experiences all of a sudden and like and I couldn't shut it off.

1:14:19 I couldn't I like I didn't feel comfortable in my own skin to the fact where like I was questioning reality, the fabric of it, and and it was scary. I like people told me I needed to go see somebody.

1:14:39 That's when I that's when I developed my alcoholism, because I was drinking myself to normalcy. Ultimately, what led me to have you on is me going back and thinking about all this stuff. It I I this year change happened and I couldn't explain it. I didn't understand it. It was just one day, all of a sudden, I wasn't the same person, and it freaked me out to my core, and like I couldn't help but think, like did something shift? Did do we get put into a different universe, like you know, interdimensional?

1:15:25 I don't even know, Like I started asking questions like that, and that's what event inevitably led me down this path aside from seeing a UFO when I was younger, younger, just have you ever heard of anything like that? Oh yeah, there's a lot of people that think we all died in twenty twelve, like the minds were right, you know, and I don't know what happened, but it does seem like, you know, the minds were really strange. They were able to predict stuff hundreds or even thousands of years in the future, and you know, they had all this advanced calendar technology that is just unexplainable for you know, Pagan's living in the jungle.

1:16:07 So and it does seem like twenty twelve was a was a a transition because now, I don't know, a lot of people just feel like we're in a different place. Like the people all seem like NPC's nonplayer characters. That's what I'm saying. It's so bizarre, man. Yeah, there's no no doubt I felt different all of a sudden, and I don't know, and it just it freaked me out, man, it really did. It freaked me out. And yeah, that's where like the Mendela effect, that's where I started learning about these things is is after that is like am I going crazy?

1:16:45 Do I need to be on some sort of medication like xanax or something like? Do I need well? Somebody said, people told you you need to go see someone. I would agree. I would agree. I think that you should go see Jesus because he's the master healer, he's the great physician, he is the he's the lover of your soul, and he's the only one that can. What's the word I'm looking for. Regenerate is the term. Okay, So the New Age, the New Age movement is preaching a concept of ascension through gnosticism. In other words, you gain, you rise up in consciousness, you raise your vibration, and then you ascend to these different levels of consciousness, which is actually true.

1:17:33 However, you know it's limited because it's not your universe. It's God's universe and he does exist, whether you acknowledge him or not. And what needs to take place is what's called regeneration. And this is where your nature is changed in a miracle event called being born again. And it's very simple. The thief on the cross is your template. The dude was a thief on the cross. Okay. He didn't try to reform himself. He didn't decide to become a good person. He was on the cross, and he probably heard the banter between Jesus and the guards and all this stuff.

1:18:08 But he looked at Jesus and he knew this guy didn't belong there, and he said one thing to Jesus on the cross. He said, remember me when you go into your kingdom. That's all he said. And that was sufficient for Jesus, the King of Glory, to extend his scepter to this guy and say to him, today, you will be with me in paradise. The born again experience is an acknowledgment of who Jesus is. He's the king of the Glory world, and he will grant you access as a son or a daughter if you humble yourself before him and you repent of all of your sins of being self directed.

1:18:48 Good deeds and bad deeds have to be repented of, because ultimately you have an expiration date on your forehead and you cannot escape this realm without his help. You have to come to that realization that you are immortal and that you're in need of a savior, and he will grant it to you, but it's only on God's terms. It's not your universe, and I'm sorry that might tick you off, but it's the story and you should maybe look is the way you're doing it working okay, because for a lot of people you can't even look yourself in the mirror.

1:19:24 You got depression, you got addictions. You know you're you're hooked on porn and masturbation, you're hooked on chemicals, you're hooked on cursing. You fill of bitterness, you're depressed. Whatever your problems are. You've tried personal development and you're still miserable. You can't sleep at night and you got insomnia, you're scared, whatever your problem, or maybe you're up and you're not a down and out. You're up and out. Okay, you're on top of the world. You're doing drop shipping twenty grand a month.

1:19:57 You're rocking and rolling. But somehow you're you've reached the top and you're like, this is not what I expected and it's still incomplete. You still feel that void. God will send us into your bones to draw you to himself. Because again, if I'm right, there is a creator, and this creator, what you're like to him is if you go to PetSmart, you decide I want a puppy. You go to PetSmart and you see this beautiful little puppy and you just want to kiss him. Right, you're not going there to get a plow mule that's going to provide you with some utility.

1:20:40 Okay, your dog is not going to mow the lawn for you or take out the garbage. He might protect the house or whatever, but that's the way you're buying him. You're buying him so you can kiss him on the forehead. Yeah, Okay, that's who you are to God. He loves you unconditionally. Unconditionally, He loves you and wants you and wants to have a relationship with you. This is not about God the judge, God the ogre. This is about the heavenly Father who when you look at the prodigal Son's story, the father was waiting by the window when the son who had squandered all his witches that the dad gave him on whores and partying, and then he finally was in the pigstein and he came to himself and he's like, well, at least my father's servants have a job and food.

1:21:29 I can go home. Maybe he'll let me work for him. No, when that kid breached the hill, he came over to hill, the father got one look at who he was, and he ran to him and he threw a He jumped on him and kissed him, and he put the cloak on him in a ring, and he threw a party. He said, sacrifice the fat at cav We're going to have a party. That's who the father is to you. He wants to kiss you. He wants to give you what it is you're looking for in the truther or journey, which is fatness in your bones.

1:22:03 M A sound night. Sleep. Peace I give to you, not the world peace the world gives you. Jesus is the prince of peace. There is no peace for the wicked. So if you want peace, just all you gotta do. You know, sometime throughout the day, maybe that night, you slip off the side your bed and just say his name, Jesus, he'll come. He'll make himself known to you. Well, when that day happens, you'll be the first person I talked to you about it. Come on, man, send me an email. Yeah, uh, listen, I want to talk about it.

1:22:44 A couple of things you had mentioned, the moon landing, and and and how Now I kind of see what how you're you're going to go with this, Because if you believe the Earth is flat, then you believe the moon is it's a construct, right, rather than a celestial object. So the moon landing would have had to been faked in order to push that narrative. I assume that's what you're going with. Well, for me, it was the other way around. I found out the moon landing was fake, which means NASA's lying, and then I was presented with the idea that the Earth was flat.

1:23:26 It never even dawned on me. And because I had already decided that NASA was lying about the moon landing, it was a lot easier for me to accept flat Earth. Because that's the problem with flat Earth. It's such a big lie. You know, your brain resists the empirical evidence, so you're like a normy. You don't know and you don't want to know. You're not letting the empirical evidence in because it's a priori argument. You come to the table convinced it can't be true, so therefore it isn't. But that's not proof, right, uh?

1:24:01 And I understand and that that makes sense. So NASA so so so NASA there I have seen evidence to suggest that NASA is absolutely editing photos before they release them. Absolutely, you cannot have the same cloud formations and four different pictures that are taken at four separate times that there's the statistical probability of zero percent that you get the same exact cloud formation and in four different pictures. It makes so NASA is clearly hiding something. And and and NASA. What do you think NASA really is?

1:24:49 Well, it was created from Project paper Clip. Yeah, because clearly it's not trials. Then trials only twelve or fifteen guys, and you know the jail or death. There was fifty though that came over here, like Werner von Braun was one of them. He was a NASA Nazi scientist. And they then were given you know, payroll and permission to continue to pursue their stuff. And so NASA was actually created to perpetrate the healeocentric cosmology and a godless universe. You know where Carl Sagan tells you there's billions and billions of stars.

1:25:32 Now it makes you feel an insignificant speck. I mean I used always believe that you know, there's Milky Way galaxies. One hundred thousand light years across in ten thousand light years wide, and there's billions of galaxies, and then the space between the galaxies makes the galaxies look small. That's what they always told us. So thatfore you're an insignificant speck, right, and your life is just a blip on the cosmic scale. Yeah, I mean yeah. And then, but this is all you gotta see here. Here's like, here's a picture.

1:26:09 I'll explain what it is. The picture of the I'm the moon. It's called Earth Rise. Can you hold that up again? Yeah? The picture of the Earth from the moon is the famous picture of the Earth from the Moon for the first yuh you landing. But if you put this picture into photoshop and change the contrast, you'll see us perfectly square artifact around the Moon, which photography experts will tell you that that proves it was fake. However, you don't even have to do that. This is what NASA told us that the Earth, this is the Earth, okay, And the Earth is three times larger than the Moon.

1:26:45 Okay. Now here's a picture of the Moon from the Earth, and they're the same size. So that wouldn't be possible, would it. And then and the orbit. The the orbit that the Earth has is pretty much equidistant. It changes a little bit, but it wouldn't be because the Earth is that much farther away. This this is proof that they're lying because the Earth is three times larger than the Moon, so it should be it should be. Okay, that's how big the Earth should appear from the moon, not like this. Yeah, wow, holy should have never seen that stars.

1:27:27 There's those stars. And they tell you that the aperture of the camera can't capture the light of the stars. That's total nonsense. You could do it with your own phone at night.

1:27:39 The picture, here's the picture with the artifact, the square artifact around it in the in photoshop. Isn't that ironic that photoshop tricks is what's tricked the normy, not us. They tell us we're tricked by photoshop tricks, and it's actually them. Wow. You know, there's a lot of examples of them lying. The monkey to the man is all of science lying to us, telling us that we evolved. But then you have piltdown man, which was a pig's nose and a human jawbone that was and then they created a giant wax figure and they paraded it through all the museums for a decade before it was proven it was a hoax.

1:28:25 I've seen that before. Then you've got there's a moon rock in a museum that NASA gave the museum that was turned out to be petrified wood. So that's another example of NASA lying through their teeth. Here's a picture of Neil Armstrong, and i'll say it for the audio only, folks. You got a picture of Neil Armstrong. That's what they're telling us. This is his spacesuit and the bottom of the shoes are flat. And then next to it is the picture, the famous picture of the footprint of the guy, the first footprint on the Moon, and it's got apparently, and all of those lead up to this one, which is Robert Simon from NASA admitted on the NASA website and in interviews that the picture of the big Blue Marble is a photoshop compilation of twelve strips of data and then he added coloring clouds.

1:29:28 Okay, it's actually not a picture of the Earth from space. And they're admitting that now because people like you and I are forcing them into the open that it's actually photoshop. So again it's the normy that has been tricked by photoshop tricks and not us. And if you look at the picture, you can see that the clouds are cut and paste and there's exact duplicates all through. This is what I'm talking about. It's really obvious. Yeah, that's what I was saying talking about earlier. It's like there's way too many of them, Like it's it's a it's clearly.

1:30:06 It's just so clearly overt. But if you were a quote unquote normal, you would just breeze right past that. You wouldn't look for that. Well, what's worse. It's not that they're not even looking. You can show them these pictures and they'll they'll just sit there and take it. And then they'll say, well, what difference does it make? I still have to go to work? Done it? Yeah? And that is the old that that oh my god, that argue that that drives me insane because it's like, yeah, okay, we all have to go to work tomorrow.

1:30:40 But it doesn't mean we shouldn't take these like these are things that we need to talk about and we need to Like, I don't care how much power or influence you wield, you do not you do not have the authority or the morale, like the moral oblime whatever you want to moral obligation, you should. I mean that is a crime against humanity to keep this information a secret. Yeah, well it's it's life threatening too, because I really sat back and I thought about what are people really saying when they say, what difference does it make?

1:31:18 I still have to go to work because I've heard that one hundred times. Oh you too? Okay, so what is let me tell you what? Let me unpack this for you. This statement typically comes after you've peppered them with five, six, seven different empirical observations like I just gave right, and and so what they're feeling is they're feeling the heat. They're feeling that there's really meat on the bones of these arguments. They don't have an answer, and so it's becoming more and more difficult for them to just flat out tell you you're crazy and it can't be.

1:31:51 So what they do is they take a fallback position and they offered a statement, up, what difference does it make? If you're right? They're saying, okay, So there Essentially, it's like a tacit agreement that you may be onto something Okay, they're sort of waving the white flag a little bit, but they're not really admitting that they believe you. Okay, So it's sort of manipulation. And so because if you do believe the Earth is flat, it does matter to you. It is a life changing experience to find out that the entire data sphere, including the media, is lying to you.

1:32:32 Here's a picture of I just saw this. Okay. Here's a picture of a building in Iowa that collapsed. Okay, and I'll explain it. There's a building in Iowa that was shown on the Fox News and it collapsed in the middle. The exact same building was just used by CNN saying that this is a building that was hit by drones in Ukraine. Yeah, this is a huge problem right now, especially in like the Hamas in Israeli war. Uh. Misinformation and disinformation are running rampant through the media. Yeah, and the media, I mean, we have these and no offense the older generation, people that are older than I am.

1:33:22 I'm thirty years old. Uh, and like my parents' age, my mom is no longer here, but like my father still has cable. He watches the news, I mean, he gets the newspaper that's how he assimilates his posession. Right, he's like old school because back in the day, you could quote unquote trust the newspaper, trust the news, YadA, YadA, YadA. That's their argument is back in the day, you can trust. Well, now I don't care. Whatever has happened has happened. You cannot. Whether it's Fox News or CNN or any of these other programs they are.

1:34:07 They're perpetuating the narrative of I think, how many people is it in the United States? What thirteen people control all the media? Oh well no, there's it's down to about four companies control about ninety percent of all the media outlets. Okay, four cooliations. I had that wrong. So there's four corporations that run ninety percent of the United States. Is the United States and maybe even the world, the global global media. So what is essentially being said there is we are getting the information from one side and one side only, and we're getting the information from the top one percent who want to keep being the top one percent.

1:35:01 Right, yeah, So we're not We're not gonna be. We're not gonna be. They're not going to promote individualism. No, they're gonna promote factionalism, and they're gonna pit you against each other, and they're gonna set up rallies on the street here and then an opposing rally on the other side of the street. I mean that that that is what it's come to is people are being manipulated on a grand scale. Yeah, the media is the media is really effective. It They've never going Yeah, they've never had this power before because you know, the the Internet.

1:35:35 Before the Internet, you couldn't control the masses in a way that you can now. I mean data, Our data is more valuable than the person itself. That's the world that we live in right now. I mean the problem with you know, get back to the book and how difficult this is. Here's a here's a picture of the UH Space Shuttle astronauts, the one that blew up, and there was seven of them, six challenger right, six out of seven of them supposedly have identical twins. I've heard I've seen this before because you can go and find these people.

1:36:15 They all have cushy university jobs. Now one of them is I forget, but they're all like they all have these you know, quarter million dollar year salaries at a university, and they people have cornered them and they told them, oh, yeah, that was my I'm there, I'm there identical twins. And six out of seven have identical twins. I'm like, yeah, right, wasn't it. Even the teacher had one. Yeah, yeah, she's she's here. Look at pictures. You can google it. Just put you know, a Challenger challenge picture of Challenger twins or whatever.

1:36:49 It'll come up and their identicy. I mean, it's the same person. It's so and listen. I I hate to be the one to like because I didn't know that we were gonna go there right now. But I hate to say it, but that is one that I've I've questioned, like very much, so questioned. Now, you know what's funny is we're gonna end with this, but I want to talk a little bit about Warner Bron Brown because he on his deathbed said that the last card that they were going to play y is the false flag alien invasion.

1:37:28 Do you do you alluded to that earlier? Yep? Now can you expand upon that?

1:37:38 Uh? Yeah, this has been a long time in the works that you know, they really need, they need something big to bring the people under the Central Planner's control and so just like with the Patriot Act, they need our compliance because there's only a couple thousand of them and there's eight billion of us. They need us to go along with it. So it's the Hegelian dialect problem action solution. So they make the problem that then they offer the solution for it, which is you have to you have to give up more and more of your rights, and eventually it will be you have to take the mark in order to buy or sell Revelation thirteen or whatever.

1:38:24 And so you're already seeing that with the Mask of the Beast, where you couldn't buy or sell without wearing coming in without a mask or you know, taking the shot right, so you have a COVID card. Yeah, so we're closed. We're very close to them implementing now. The difference will be when the Mark of the Beast is actually rolled out. Not only will you have to take the mark to be able to buy or sell transact because you'll have a social credit score like they have in China and stuff, but you will have to deny Christ.

1:38:56 You will have to literally deny Christ somehow to get the mark, because once you take the mark, your damned period boom. You never go to heaven if you take them mark. Now, if you get nothing else out of this, do not take the mark. What is the mark? Though, Like, how are we going to know what the mark is? Well, it says in uh here a scripture on mark of the Beast. It says very clearly that they will that people will be given a mark. It will be on the right hand or the forehead. And when they when you receive that, then you'll be able to continue to buy or sell.

1:39:38 Without the mark, you won't be able to buy yourself. Okay, so this could be anything for that. Now, all the talking heads when the when they rolled out the mandate, they were like, these people are a threat to society and if they don't want to, you know, do their part, then they don't deserve to participate in society's benefits. That was the narrative, right, If you didn't take the vaccine, you were you were you were a threat to the to the overall societal health, like you were the bad person if you didn't take the vaccine, which I didn't.

1:40:16 Good, yeah I didn't. I I actually I'll admit it now because we're past it. But I have a fake COVID guard because that's how you know. I I That's how I chose to do it. I was, I'm not getting this vaccine, but I still have to navigate the world around me. So I'm going to do what I have to do. And I did what I had to do. Yeah, that's what we all got to do. Yeah. Revelation thirteen. Revelation thirteen answers your question. He also forced everyone small and great, rich and poor, free enslaved to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless you have the mark.

1:41:01 So they're gonna try to and and and Okay, so where does the if this happens, right, if this, if this happens, and that becomes reality, whether it's a social credit score, it's some chip in your your hand, or you're chipping your brain, because those are those are the two places that I'm thinking, Right, Which would you know that will allow them to like scan you personally pull up your social credit score? You know it'll be it'll be touted out as technology. And I mean we see this with like things like neuralink and Elon Musk.

1:41:42 I can't imagine keep going. I got somebody at the door, real quick, I'll be right back. Okay. So, whether it's elon musk and in neuralink or you know, some some sort of technological achievement that we that we get to where all of a sudden, our phone is embedded into us, right and and we you know, all we have to do is were like this like a pair of glasses and then you know, it shows the world to us and we can pull up our messages and do all this crazy stuff. But the one thing is is you have to get this little implant, and by doing so, you would be getting what you're saying is the mark of the beast.

1:42:30 I just created a marker. Okay, sorry about that. No, No, it's okay, it's a delivery. Okay, So yes to what you just said. And we don't believe that the the uh you know, the shot is is the mark because it's very clear that it says it has to be on the right hand or the forehead and that and you can still by yourself. So what we've gone through so far is not the mark. But I believe it's a movie. Right. But so so what I said was, now say the day comes where the next iPhone, let's call it iPhone twenty.

1:43:09 You get the iPhone, but you also have to get this little implant, right, The iPhone twenty is an implant, and then you get a pair of glasses and you know, all your shit's there and you can you know, it's like this new technological achievement, and that's how it's touted, right, and that's what they roll out. The only thing is, guys, again, we have to get a little implant in you on your right hand or you could do it in your here. I don't know. It seems like either one's acceptable. So right hand is I guess, I don't know.

1:43:44 I don't know how they would do it, but we see it like with neurallink and elon musk, right, So in order to take advantage of that technology, you're gonna have to get this thing. And that's clearly where this is going. The iPhone is getting smaller and smaller, bigger, bigger, or you know, it's eventually we're going to be at a crossroads where we merge with technology or we don't. I think we're headed towards merging with it, especially with AI and that coming now. Could this be a way for them to hide in plain sight by doing that?

1:44:22 Because then it's only a short trip from you getting an implant for a technological reason to now you have a social credit score. It's all tied to this microchip that's in your hand, and they can basically shut you off or on. And then we talk about they went to DARPA about ten years ago and they said, we need you to come up with a technology to chip people without having to do surgery. So that's they created a hydrogel and the micro dot technology the nanotech, and so the patent on that is six six six.

1:45:04 A kid, you not no proof,

1:45:09 what's that? I'm gonna need proof on that one. But if that's true, that is I'll I'll kill over. If that's that's oh yeah, yeah, I have it on a computer. I can find it. So, uh, what the nanotech does has thirty three different functionalities, which is another significant number for the Lucy's and that, by the way, is the latitude and longitude of Mount Herman for they, well, thirty three is the longitude and latitude of Mount Herman where the fallen angels came down in the Book of Genesis chapter six.

1:45:44 Anyway, interesting, the technology has thirty three different functionalities and they put this in your body and they can trigger them with with the frequency, so they can create the zombie apocalypse by pushing a button. You know, they can just off you. They can and there's actually patents that interact with the brain. Once this m R and anything is in you that will actually allow them to put voices in your head and they then it gets really sci fi where there's a cryptocurrency component to it, and so the money that you have will be inside of you and if they can read your intentions and your thoughts and all this, and if you get out a line, then they'll just shut your money off.

1:46:28 But there won't be any chip. It's in you by the nanotech, right right, right right, so and I see, okay, so it won't even be that over it's not even that over where AI you will buy it, right because the nano tech is a it's an an artificially intelligent parasite. It's self replicating, self self duplicating. If you look at it under a microscope. In people's blood, there's you know, geodesic figures that are forming and it's really sci fi stuff. And then the did you see the did you see the stuff that was coming out of people's veins like this, like let the stringy stuff that was coming out after they got the vaccine.

1:47:17 Yeah, more gellins they're called. Yeah that that that really fucking freaks me out. You know what's trippy about They're like the size of hairs, but if you look at them under a microscope, they'll have a perfect square with a letter in it, like the letters C inside of a square. So they're total nanotech things. They look like hairs, but they're actually nwotech. Okay, I'll have to look more into that one. But yeah, so so I again, like I said, you know, i'm not you know, with the m r n A mr NA vaccinations, and I'm not I'm not sure about you know, whether they did it or not or what what they did with nanotech.

1:48:00 I don't know, I'm not you know, i'd have to see more evidence, you know, upfront. But it isn't It definitely wouldn't surprise me if that's something that's like being worked on for like this was a trial and then the next the because they're already setting us up for the next one, right they're already getting us ready for the next pandemic, like there there, it's not about when I mean it's not about if, it's about when, and you know, maybe that's when they roll out some I don't know. I don't know, but all I know is that there's clearly something that is not right.

1:48:39 I can feel it in my bones. Conspiracy theorist is a term that was coined by the CIA, right, the CIA is created after you know, there's just so many rabbit holes at the CIA because like it's formation the I mean just the military industrial complex in general. We were warned about it very hard by Eisenhower, who had really lost control of it at that point. And I mean from there just I mean, now look at us. We're where all of our politicians are in bed with bed with these companies, and you know, they they they they leave government and then they get cushy board jobs on these private companies.

1:49:29 It's it's it's it's so clear that there there is a problem. Uh yet people are people want to just complain about Trump or what the Kardashians are doing. So, I mean, I'd love to have you back on the show soon. Uh so we get more into it. You know, this is definitely a starting ground, but I'm I'm really interested again. You know, we may not agree on everything. But I think just having the conversation is healthy. I think it's it's something that we have to do, you know, we don't have to agree on everything.

1:50:03 And that's how the world used to be all of a sudden, though it's not like that anymore. If you if you disagree, if you disagree with me, like you should I with the new world, it's like, if you disagree with me, I'm gonna try to cancel you. And and it's it's really weird. Well yeah, it's by design. It's a social program. And they've they've basically been able to convince people that disagreeing with you as an act of violence. Therefore I'm justified in being violent against you, right because you disagree with me, right, and and like and then they take your livelihood away, Like some of these people they get canceled, like you're you're taking their livelihood away from them.

1:50:47 Now they can't feed their families now, Like you you're just some guy on the internet, right or or some whatever, some person on the internet. You're you're a handle, a name, you're a data point. And and it's just it's it's really concerning to me, Like the direction that society is heading in. So I think there's more to this and I think, uh, there's more, much, many more conversations that we can have about it. I'd love I'd love to talk about the c i A and their involvement in many programs that that shouldn't have existed, but do that people don't know about.

1:51:26 So maybe we could set something up very soon. Absolutely. Yeah, just reach out, man, and uh, just hit me back if you want to fill a slot. I'll be looking forward to coming back talk to you again for sure. Yeah, you're you're, you're, You're a really fun guy to talk to. John. And uh, where can people get your your your your your book, The Conspiracy Theorist of Viral Guide. I'm sure it's on Amazon. Yep, it's on Amazon. You can get it an audio version or a paperback, and you can find it from my website which is wake Up or Else dot com and my YouTube channel is one word, it's wake up or Else and we do a biblical analysis of the Mandel effect.

1:52:03 And all of the links for John will be in the description below for anyone who wants to check out what he's got and if you want to explore him and his work further, you can do that. Guys. We want to say thank you from total disclosure to John and for for coming on today. It's always such a pleasure to have someone who's open minded. We like to have a conversation and uh not, you know, let the political things get get in the way of it, right, So much love to you and I really look forward to having you back on Awesome Tom, appreciate you.

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