*BREAKING* UFO DISCLOSURE NEWS: WHO IS JASON SANDS (USAF Vet claims to be part of Secret Space Program)?!?

0:46 M all right, guys, welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name's Hi, and I am the host and creator of the show. Before we get started, I just want to ask everyone watching, UH, if you are watching on YouTube Rumble, make sure to like, share and subscribe to the show. It really helps with the algorithm. Uh. These shows don't do so well on the on that algorithm, as we know, especially shows like this that we're gonna about to do. So tonight we'll be diving into the a developing story, uh, and I'll be presenting the positions of both the positives and the negatives of the new claims or claims from a new individual that reveals some new information but confirm you know what the UFI community has already heard or been told to some degree down the line, down the path somewhere.

2:34 It's I don't think any of the information was revolutionary, but to have it be able to be tied to a person individual other than some of the folks that we've known in the past, which we will talk about again. It is not my job to pick sides, but rather to present all the information possible and let you decide who is Jason saying so so? Some months ago and this is being quoted from a tweet, not a tweet, it's a Reddit post by uh you dash gobble gobble. They did a really good job transcribing an event.

3:26 But some months ago, we'll start here. Some months ago, James Fox, the filmmaker, as we know, he is in development of his latest project, rumored that the I think the project name is the program, uh something to that degree, and he's been hard at work for I mean since the Virginia documentary did its rounds. He's been working on this documentary and he's promised firsthand knowledge and all of a sudden last couple I think it was on four to twenty actually, so was he just high and he just decided to come out and not tell me?

4:07 I don't know, I don't know. It just seems like there was some miscommunication because there was a teaser tweet that showed a clapperboard, So clapperboard, see that board right here, right here, So it showed one of those with Jason's name on it, and it was definitely for the film that James is working on now. So it does lend some credibility to this man's claim, uh and to to to his thing, because I do trust James Fox. I know there's a lot of people out there that are saying that, you know, James doesn't doesn't do his job, vetting, doesn't do his job.

4:46 He just you know, he's a UFO grifter just because he makes uh documentaries and they think he makes money, which is actually not the case. If anyone knows Fox's story, He's actually probably not made too much money. He might have made money with starting with the Virginia documentary. Discovery really did a number on him in the beginning and and took a lot away and kind of left him him either bankrupt and having just self funded a film basically a feature length presentation for them. And then it was it's a lot of mumbo jumbo.

5:30 But there was the clock onboard that showed his Jason Sand's name on it, but he deleted the picture. He deleted the picture. So that leads it leads me in a couple of different directions because and we'll get to somebody. So the space unfortunately wasn't recorded, but I reached out to spaced Out Radio. They do have I have it right here part of the test money. So we'll play some of that. We'll listen to Jason sand speak speak and that and that space through the clip from spaced Out Radio. Shout out to them for for capturing this while it happened.

6:12 Because the spaces was impromptu, they weren't expecting Jason apparently from what I can gather from the people who are involved and just from you know, from there kind of just took off and you can't change the settings of a space once it's going. So it does make sense. But see that's the thing about spaces, right, that's the thing. It does allow for that community engagement right where someone could pop right in, pop right on, but it doesn't. Yeah, they're like, you have to, like, I know, I want to save this one.

6:48 I don't like it. I don't like it. It's not my thing. It's not my cup of tea. But all right, So his name was floatering around since that time as a potential one of these forty other whistleblowers that David Grush talked about that James Fox could have tracked down through his work doing on the documentary the program. Like I said, so it made sense when this Jason fella started talking about James on the space, saying that he's like a brother from another mother. That he told him that he was doing it.

7:29 It didn't seem like James Fox was from the tone at least, this is what I would gather if I was a filmmaker and I had this testimony that was in my film, I would have at least asked him to stay quiet until the release. But maybe that was just something that they negotiated beforehand. So I don't think that that's because I have a list of pros and cons that will go through I think for each of these things that he said, But I don't think that that's not necessarily positive or negative. I think that's just kind of the story.

8:03 Uh and and that's fine, right? What was that unrecorded spaces unprompted? Maybe who knows, it was four twenty. Maybe he was feeling little, Maybe did eat eat a brownie or two and decide, Hey, you know what, I'm gonna jump on this space, tell my story. I'm Sika. I just want to tell it now. I want it's bubbling over, the the edibles are kicking in, the Saltzer's kicking in. Whatever it may have been, who knows, I don't know, But anyway, it happened, and it seems like so and and and I will mention that he mentions keywords like twenty and back, which insinuate they bring us back to Corey good right and claims of IP deposition that we're gonna go into.

8:55 So there are two sides to this whole story, right, because there's the secrets based program aspect that I want to dive into. And Theresa was supposed to be here, her doctors appoint went a little over. So I'm gonna try to fill the time as possible much as possible, but I do need some help from you, the audience. I know we get some couple of people listening in. We're already over one hundred, but mostly probably on Twitter and not those chats don't come in for some reason. But let's get into I want to pull up the clip from spaced out Radio, uh, and I want to I want to obviously let everyone listen to the testimony that was given, but I do have, like I said, a good pretty good Uh.

9:42 This gobble gobble person on Reddit did an amazing, like I said, an amazing job transcribing it while it was live. And good thing that person did this, because if they didn't, it would have been much much less, much much less to to tackle as a story after the fact. So maybe that could even be why Jason did it that way, is he didn't think anyone would be But the UFO community is relentless, and I guess everybody should know that they were gonna pick up on this and and especially with Astral and those guys.

10:21 Uh, they they are not shy. So I'm gonna, like I said, I'm gonna let you guys decide. But here is the clip from spaced out Radio. All right, so we'll get this plan just me enough? Ever? Can everyone can hear it? Again? This is not mine. I do not own this the rights to this video. I'm using it in a fair use kind of way, an educational purpose way, uh to uh tell the story and break the news. Uh. So uh, this is just a commentary over the what they what they collected And shout a huge shout out to space Out Radio for being on the nose with this one, because I don't think again, it would be hard to talk about this story without having at least some of it.

11:16 So I I did you the audience a favor. I skipped ahead to right where it starts, which is about one thirteen fifty. So here we go, let's listen to some of it. I think they're good. They would welcome us and just say, look look at the human race. They finally come into full bloom. Look how beautiful they are. Welcome, Welcome to our Welcome to the family. I think that's what's going to happen eventually, but we're just not there yet. Yeah, it's like us meeting them halfway somehow consciousness development or technological or spiritual.

11:49 That's a big question of like everybody, you know, how contact is actually happening here is taking place? Yeah, and so it has a lot to do with us finding our own way and our own path forward. But I think we're going to have to do a lot better at trying to get along with each other first. And I think that has a lot to do with So this is again knowing who we are and that you know, yeah, we do have to keep our own governments in check. And I think in America that's a really in the free world of Western nations, in Britain included that you know, we have a great opportunity in these in the in the nations where the freedoms are tantamount and held high, we're able to get to a different place when it comes to helping things.

12:32 But we have got to come up with a way to keep the government in check because I've seen so many times where we've wanted to do the right thing, but somebody pays big bucks to make it not happen. So that was amazing, by the way. But he did release his d D two. Do you feel like there's a how can we dovetail these two topics? If the information you're sharing right? I'm pausing this right now. So he did share his d D two fourteen. So the guy is he shared it today. I believe today it's gonna be hard for anyone to see that, but if anyone does want the document, I will link it below.

13:11 But so he did. He he had he's a decorative veteran, decorative veteran with a long career, and he was able to prove that as D two fourteen and a couple of a couple of other things. But a lot of the skeptics are jumping hard on him, uh, filling all the holes. And that included, unfortunately, a situation with Jeremy McGowan. Jeremy's been known to be a skeptic, but he started sharing this website about this guy, and I wanted to talk about I just wanted to interrupt with this because we need to stop doing this, right, we need to stop.

13:56 If someone comes out like this, right, he got it, give them the benefit of the doubt until until you have onun beyond a reasonable doubt, evidence to not believe or to to go one way or the other. Right, you should be You should always start from a neutral position and work from there. If you're starting from a bias or a non uh, this is not possible, You're gonna get a this is not possible answer and find the evidence that you want. You're going to cherry pick. It's gonna happen subconsciously. So that's my problem, and less people are gonna come forward if they're attacked viciously by the community on day one.

14:45 That's what I will say, because I think everyone needs to say, who is Jason Sands? What is he saying at the core of it? What is he saying? And where do we go? What are the implications, what are the pros, what are the cons? And again that's what I'm doing tonight. But again, people like Jeremy Chill because guess what the website ended up being fake. Someone sourced the picture, put it on there from like a dating profile and literally like it's you can't even write this ship. Sometimes it's just so bad with the debunkers and people like that on others.

15:25 Right, as more, as more of this data comes out about the phenomena, is there any way that you foresee that being dovetailed with something that kind of Reagan alluded to, where like can we come together as a race and just each other as rope? Right? Answer, Yes, I think that something. Yes. So So McGowan is a skeptic and is not neutral, I don't think anymore. But he does think, well he says he is. I don't know about that, but he definitely is on the skeptical side of the spectrum. And and and I think he was very quick and listen, I'm a Jeremy's a friend of mine, fathom on the show.

16:13 I consider him a good friend. And I'm even willing to say that. So, yeah, that in the Reagan era I was really hopeful for because that's what I wanted our world leaders to hear. And that was the first time I saw Russia and America finally seeing each other face to face, and we were ready to get to the right place, only to have it all demolished within a few quick elections,

16:44 and then it all got ruined again and all the way back to where it was before. And I just was so disheartened after that. So yeah, I would say, oh, subscriber mode is on? Why is it buffering?

17:00 The hell's going on here? You're right, it would have been nice to have seen that happen. It feels like eupology in a nutshell. But I know a bunch of answer paul sportal And then I saw a UFO Joe jumps up on right. I think this is again, this is one of the things they don't like about spaces is it's not I one I guess. I guess tweets their own, right. It's not that one on one conversation. It's a lot of people. There's a lot of cross talk and you know, you guys know me like I I have a hard time you know, on at least online.

17:46 I have a hard time with like lag of internet, not on my side, but sometimes on the guest side. And I'll talk over someone, they'll talk over me, and it goes back and forth like that, and it sounds like ship in the long run, But I do like how it does bring the community together. However, I think stuff like this, like videos like this, can also do that in a way if Elon would just do what you should do, and that's you know, cool, Okay, Jason Meaghan, thanks for the field and the questions. I want to get some more.

18:25 I'm not hearing this person either. Oh all right, let me drop down a bunch of red panda wa don't you go ahead and then ask? Then? Thank you Jason. You said you wanted to go public help to correct the record on some things you heard on some show. Is there anything in particular that comes to mind or trains of thought or thinking that you think the community is going, or that you think maybe they should steer this way not that way? And also Arrow and the reason for you from Arrow? And is that part of your reason for killing for should I reboot mine?

19:04 Then he probably? Jason, if I want such a good hard swipe up and and make sure when you see X you By the way, guys, this so this is my first time doing a listen through of this, so I'm getting this is fresh for me as well. I went into it with a blind eye. I got all the notes got everything together, got the story, do that the amazing Reddit posts that were there that that kind of bullet appointed it and I was able to do all my notes via that. So this is my first time listening through this hick up on that.

19:46 So you hard close out of the app before you before you do that, reposted it or photo the products and because you don't find it anymore. Yeah, I'll be your link to the space Jason. That way you're able to get back in. I get you, okay, Yeah, I wish we have more people to ask us anybody else The program name is fifty people here and then yet no, no, I know half of it. But I've been scorn to secrets, killing kills me. And what the hell is going on this buffer? Are you guys seeing that? Do on on your side?

20:17 Can someone let me know if they're seeing this buffer wheel? Or is it just me? Wh are we having? Are we experiencing issues here? See? Oh we're already halfway there? Come on, isn't the time welcome back? You guys know that you guys know that I'm real protective and you know I've been close lipped about a lot of this stuff. So you're not gonna hear it from me. But there's multiple program names. I know, you guys know that they that are out there, and they change as well, and they're always being moved to new locations so people can't find them.

20:57 So you'll have to ask him that when he comes back back on. All right, Yeah, so it does look like we're having some issues here. I don't know why, though. I just went to like one forty four pee because we don't really need it. His program name where it is, and if he can still get it in a FOI request, that would be a good question. You got some so sorry about the bottle egg. We got like twenty four people waiting in the wings to come up. We'll tell honestly, it's fall light on Courtney again, because she's the only reason this is happening.

21:59 I think it's because Courtney, what were the steps you took? You know, I know you're a space out radio, But what were the steps you took to eventually lead to what's happening now? Well, you know, it all started because of the names coming out on Twitter, and so I got the names, and then I started to talk with mutual connections like are these confirmed? Then I had a mutual friend that said yes, I have one of the names. We discussed that, and then the information had come through that there was a story that came through on the task force form.

22:35 So I went on space at Radio and I shared that and that's what kicked everything off. And then I think I shared on another space that the NSA contacted us at space aut Radio and told us not to talk about it. So I had the audio taken down. But I did reach out to Jay personally and I started to cultivate a relationship with him to discuss, you know, all of this, and I didn't know that he was going to come on tonight. I'm as astonished as everybody. I did talk to him earlier today and we had a heart to heart about what's going on in the field, and I think that inspired him to come on tonight.

23:13 So yeah, very surprising, but that's call it all flowed. It was hot. I'll just say that you had your space a couple of weeks ago, right and you talked about this, and I will say you you Mike or knew give them all. Both of us were like, WHOA, what's funny thing right now? We are ears perked up. But then you just kept going with it in your space yesterday. Now we have a little bit. Yeah, well Steve was part of all of it, so he and I also was a gentleman who was walking in the desert. Is a penchant for NHI and nuclear stuff.

24:02 They're apparently I know that there's ways that even with all right, let's go back a little bit.

24:15 But I think since they're telepathic and they can shut us down because this is a good stuff. Introduced himself to Ryan Wood, who is hosting a lot of credit, the majority of the credit back to that. I'm just gonna try to get it to right where they start talking again. Sorry, guys, and this buffer wheel is killing me. What's going on? Very realistic that if there is some constant contact, that's a reality. So what was the other part of the question? I kept as abductions, and so

25:02 that that would be and and I think that's that that would be very realistic, that if there is some constant contact, that's a reality. So well, what's the other part of the question. I kind of instructions, abductions and disinformation campaigns. Okay, well, disinformation campaigns, unfortunately are a part of the business. The fact that abductions are going on I think is a bit of a I don't know how to put it, a misunderstanding. If the nhis are doing the abductions, yeah, I would like for them to come knock on my door and say, look, we would like to subject you to some scientific testing.

25:51 But I think since they're telepathic and they can shut us down mentally, I think maybe that to the is more favorable and desirable because they've had so many bad experiences with people probably kicking and screaming the whole way through, and it's better just to control wants to kick them in the nuts first experience. So I think they literally re inductions is a totally different thing. I don't know about all of them being ah from you know, evil minded nhis. I would say that some of them, in my opinion, are probably just misunderstood.

26:38 As I was saying that, you know, if you're a telepathic being and you've just abducted me, and I'm as scared as about being in your craft and being confronted with you and your your odd looks being telepathically linked to me, you might start feeling fearful you're feeling and then it just turns on a big fear. Maybe some of the abductions go south because of that. But there might be a cod you know, a section of them that are quite horrific. And yes, they may have some ill intent in doing some of the things that they do, because some of them do seem like they're just flat out evil, you know.

27:22 Yeah, he's just talking about not all of them are so curious are aware if the government This is something again that we've heard from other people, so again not new information, but you know, it's consistent, which is good.

27:44 Stipulates that government couldn't use nuclear weapons or something along these lines. Maybe,

27:51 yeah, definitely is for NHI and nuclear stuff. They're apparently I know that there's ways that even with just electromagnetics that some of their systems can be interrupted

28:10 or taken off line and things like this. I think that's how the Roswell crash was claims to have happened as well. That it was It wasn't a directed energy weapon. It was more or less a radar that just happened to, you know, interact with some of the systems on board the craft and it fell from the sky totally unintentional. So there's that aspect of it.

28:36 Ah, that's great, and I think that's as much as I could really venture a guess on. So if unless you have something more specific that you wanted to be addressed. Thanks Keith. Did you have a follow up before he go to no, No, I want I want everybody else to ask their questions. Thank you so much, Jason, Thank you, Chief. Thanks Jason. So we're gonna we're gonna go to red and then estimate and then and then his question was good and then kat j Hey, real quick, Keith, I'm gonna cycle you down to if you want to come back up in a little while, feel free to quist to come back up a speakers go ahead, okay, sweet, Thank you, Thank you.

29:21 Jason. You had said that there were some things that are being spoken about in public and on shows and stuff that he literally wanted to correct that part way he came forward, Can you is there any that come to mind, like particular topics or themes? And then also, what's your thoughts on Arrow in the recent blot fo you that is to do deal with Arrow of kirk Patrick and Grush's correspondence and setting up a meeting? Thank you, Jason. Did you hear that? Yes? I did? Sorry you didn't, you didn't my mind and I forgot to turn it back on.

30:04 Anyway. Some of the stuff that floats around is mainly that that's that's not good information in some of the podcasts and some of the YouTube videos and some of the shows.

30:26 Yeah Jason cut out from me, I did, yeah, yeah, I just wondering if anybody else sound for we can hear you anyway. The whole thing was where where did I cut off? Anyway, I'll just start over. So the inaccuracies are mainly to do with, you know, some of the information about lost you again. Yeah, keep the mute keeps going on by itself, but it's mainly just to do with some of the whistleblowers and the information that it's being said about them and even myself. I prefer the people you know, if you if you want to, I think, uh

31:17 no, so boy, let's let's the games again. People want to know what you're saying right now. I'm not sure what your phone says of the top right most likely, but if you're on Wi Fi, maybe turn your cell data off. We'll just have them to jump out back in. Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna dubt my wife as well. I'm gonna cariage spot, so lets see if that helps. Okay, yeah, I'm only on Wi Fi now, so all right, sorry about that person of human turned enough unless it was gonna say but I can't hear anyone.

32:07 Maybe they'll come back. Yeah, but anyway that can you still hear me? I yeah, I can. I'm not sure. Yeah. So it's mainly the inaccuracy about some of the whistleblowers and people that I know personally, I think they would prefer questions be asked directly to them, but but then again, it's it's on them if they want to provide some kind of a venue or spokesperson for people to ask them directly about stuff, you know, about their background and why they said certain things, because I hear that a lot of times that you know, people are taking out of context something that was said by David Grush, and I know that, And that's mainly one of the things.

32:55 And then the other piece is that you know, I don't know. I guess I don't know enough about intergalactic organizations and interplanetary stuff, but there's a lot of people that will go out on a limb and talk about that stuff. And I just wonder where they're getting the information. Sometimes wait, because you know, I just don't either have that experience and maybe they do. Wait, I thought this guy is kind of hard to swallow at this point to some of the stuff they say is just just I thought, this guy is claiming to be a part of this this twenty and back program, So what is the meaning doesn't know about it doesn't have logical flow, honestly.

33:41 So it's just one of those things where I think most people have the common sense to know the difference between somebody who actually has knowledge in somebody who doesn't. And I think that's the other thing is that you know, we have to be good in the community. He sounds like he can really kind of handle that, especially if you're on the podcast or the keeper of the video, to know when somebody's going off the rails and is losing your audience because they're also losing people like myself, where I'm like, good grief, you know what is this person saying?

34:13 I agree with him? Actually, then you're actually helping the people that are trying to cover it up as well, because they're like, ha ha, you know, another podcast goes down the tubes for the people that are trying to keep up the deceptions. Yeah, so that's those are the things that I think it should be addressed in the in the UAP circles and the people that really want to get to the root of it one more time, right, my camera died. I think probably about Arrow and Kirkpatrick and his reason foya dump about the correspondence between Mellen Kirkpatrick and Crash.

34:49 Yeah, I think he was a bit too cavalier. I don't think he did justice to a lot of folks other work. I don't think he looked at a lot of that before he put together his report, so it was mainly based on him and his group of his think tank rather than collaboration. Uh. And that maybe a fella see that maybe he fell into and it ended up being something that, unfortunately might lead to some backlash from the people that actually have done some really hard research in the UAP community, as well as some of the people in the icy community that materialists, you know, ye all the other descriptors, and I just think this is all just crazy, wacky stuff.

35:35 What would you what would you say? You kind of cut out there for a minute, you did you? I was super skeptical. I was a debunker, and you were just you know, you're you're in a company right here. You know, we're all loving the yah. But if if it was someone else and I thought this was all just bullshit, you know, some guy from a syh op or something else, like, what would you say to someone like that? Quite frankly, I would just say, Okay, well, you're welcome to your opinion. But you know, you're talking to a guy that actually has talked to you some very high ranking individuals in the land, and none of them have thought that I was full of crap.

36:21 Anybody who meets me honestly has said the same thing that I'm very genuine. I'm just a normal guy that seems to have, you know, been through some very strange stuff, and honestly, that's who I feel I am. I can't be more genuine than I already am. And if that's not good enough, I just don't know what to tell you, honestly, because like I said, there's going to be people that I know, even if I walked out of some facility with an alien in tow or UAP on my back, there's still going to be people that sit there and go, oh, you made this up.

36:57 You know, you just can't help that. And so that's all I have to say about that. Right now. I've done everything I can to verify who I am. If that's not good enough, then that's on you. I'm sorry. I don't know what else you can verify it with, you know, because these people that verified me are in the databases that nobody else. All right, So he's about to go into who who can verify him. And this is part of my list, This is part of what I wanted to talk about. It's part of my pros and CON's list.

37:31 I think I think it could be a pro or a con frame if he's lying the people he's about to mention. I think, if I think this is where it's going, he's going to mention some pretty big names in the UFO field, and they could easily put the gobache on this if he is not being truthful with with what he's about to say. So, and and I've not seen a statement from anybody yet, so I'm I'm weary. I just but it also is is kind of a good thing, you know, no answer is kind of a good answer in this kind of circumstance.

38:15 So I don't know where that is gonna be at but els privy to unless you're read in and they already know who I am from those databases, and I don't know how much more real I can get. Okay, So and again this this sounds like a gotcha, but it's not. But you're you're basically your argument is an appeal to authority, and that's in my mind that has merit. But whether it's when the you know, when James Fox's documentary comes out or whenever, like the first mention of the D credentials you're listening, will eventually be publicly known, right for Yeah, I guess so if if it ever comes to it, I don't know if how much they can share it because the databases and themselves are classified.

39:00 So, but do you see the predicament there, because there there are some really skeptical debunker people who are like engaged and motivated reasoning against all of this, who will say, look, if you're not willing to list the people who vouch for you that you know this appeal to authority, then how how do we know at your work? But I guess i'd have to appeal to the Congress arrow And I see I D who did the verifications and say, hey, look, you know, if you're okay with them with telling people you verified me, then go ahead and make intelligence the you know, maybe at some point, like i've my military service and that I wasn't indeed stationed at Nell's Air Force Base during those years that I've already mentioned here in this podcast, those are unclassified.

39:54 I could probably share those on a career forum or something at some point if I felt comfortable doing so, and at least that would show that, yeah, I was where I said I was during the years that I said I was, And but that won't tell you that I was right into this or right into that. So yeah, it was going to be a bit of disconnect there because those are classified databases. Well, and you're not. You're not purporting to be, nor do any of us, I think expect you to be the smoking gun all this. You're not capital D disclosure, but you are a stepping stone towards that, and I think we all appreciate that.

40:29 So thank you for that answer. Yeah, Rich, go ahead, Thank you, and thank you. Jason. Are you aware of of an amnesty agreement or a truth embargo forthcoming? Yes, that was something

40:50 a number of times that there needed to be an amnesty clause for people that want to come forward that are in the program, that they can have the same immunities as I have had, and that they also have the safe passage to come forward and be dealt with appropriately in classified settings if need be, and all that kind of stuff. I think that everybody deserves that because they are performing a service for our country, and that they should be allowed to do things like whistle blow without any repercussions and have immunity from anybody who meant them harm.

41:32 I also meant for the others as well. I'm sorry for the others as well. Others as in other whistle blowers. No, the other beings. Oh them, Yeah, well that's a whole different can of worms. I would say that, yeah, they could. They're welcome to come any time they want. I mean, honestly my impression, just having having had contact with one of them, I don't think they have a real compunction one way or the other, whether they want to come forward or not. I think it's mainly just, you know, they're operating here on earth for their own reasons, and for the time being that they have their own reasons as to why they don't want to be public.

42:16 They'd rather be private.

42:21 And for me, I can imagine what maybe similar motivations are. Just like everybody else, you know that we're just not ready for that kind of contact. That it also exposes them to people trying to politically use them as a ploy to get elected, or to steal their technologies, or to capture them and imprison them. Those are all real dangers that they've already maybe even had reality that at this point. Matter of fact that I remember hearing about a lot of different people that have encountered UFOs that took their shotgun out and started shooting at it, and uh, stuff like that.

43:03 We're a strange but sorry, sorry, that's just Texas. So I think those are all good motivations as to why these people might, if their NHSER want to come forward. I would like to think that our government would give them amnesty. Would I would give them sty I mean honestlyeople that are just not accepting of any of that, they would probably just lose their mind. Thank you?

43:35 What Rob? You sound like God's name was Prime Superman. We do realize that we are insignificant and live on fire. Yeah, well, I tend to think that sometimes it comes down to it. I know what Rob said, Rick for it, go ahead, thank you, I talked to you, talk to you, Jason. And yeah, So I do want to say this. I am going to do my best to reach out to this Jason fella and and try to have a one on one conversation with him. I of course wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't reach out to him. So I do want to let you know, uh, let let our audience know that.

44:40 I mean, I'm sure everybody's going to be beating a door to this guy's path. I think I just beaten a path to this guy's door. So, uh, I just don't know. We're already slated to death, you know. Uh, Sarah Brestman cosme tomorrow. Uh. Eric J. Hackler, which is one that uh, and we've already agreed to do before information so that Danny Shean and Mark D'Antonio as you know, a really rounding out season one. And but I would put I'm gonna do my best. I will do my do my best. You how would you perceived about Russia and China?

45:33 About deer crash? I'm sure you've heard of something like that. Yep. While I was in the program, I didn't hear of any interaction with either of those countries the program. I believe they would be just as interested in it as we are. I have not. Well. I think I've heard China was standing up there on UAP program, and probably Russia has had that at one point or another because of some of the documents that got leaked out of their country once the Berlin Wall came down and somebody came back to the United States with some of their UAP records, So I know that they've had a program as well.

46:19 How successful those are I really don't know. I think I would like to think that America is better at it than anybody else at this point, and I think that kind of rings true also for the NHS that they look more for like America that are not I don't know how to put it. They're a little bit more free and in being allowed to discuss these sorts of things and to get to a place where people are not going to be shot and locked up in jail just for doing the things that they naturally do, because in China you could easily get in jail just for speaking badly about their own government or Russia for that matter, And I think that's something that they need to think about, because you know, it's okay to let people speak their minds.

47:16 I mean, that's what we do. We communicate, and you can't accept other people's ideas. That's that's kind of on you as to whether you're acceptable to be part of that conversation or you're accepting of it, because you know, who wants to be in a conversation with somebody who's refusing to hear anybody else's side of the story. So that's all I have to say about China Russia. But they are probably in their own societies that may be hampering any UAP work in contact with NHIS and they might be actually hurting themselves by being a bit too tyrannical in certain ways.

47:58 Well said, did you have a follow up? And if not, Rob, you sound like a robot? Oh my god, Oka, is that the c I A right there? Or is that something else? I was gonna say, Come on, I don't know what that is. That's Rob being optimist crime, that's not optimist optimist. I couldn't understand anything he said. Does anybody in the same room with him that can understand him? He's hosting this room. I can't understand anything.

48:43 Yeah, I'd love to answer him. Oh, Rake, why don't you go ahead? Hey, you guys, Rob asked for your filing shows. That's awesome you're hosting the space, Jason Sands, thanks so much much for speaking to us them. Okay, Quality, I wanted to know what can you tell us about basically this battle that we're watching split within the d O D and between the d D and Congress as it relates to and A Fury answered this, And you know, I have many other questions, but what is going on here where we're getting one message from Arrow saying that there's no real evidence of these things, especially if erro vetted you.

49:31 Then I C I G saying we need to investigate this more heavily. And then the grush, you know, the grush allegations implying contractors hiding their reverse engineering programs from the government itself. What is actually happening here in the government. Okay, well, first let me make the announcement I did send Rob. I sent you a direct message with that first hand website that I'm trying to get started for other whistle blowers who come forward, as well as just to inform the public. I think that's the other charter we're trying to get.

50:05 Yeah, Rob, I'm sure we'll share that, especially if it's that secondhand stuff, because that's that's so important. He did want me to tell you to check your d But you can get to that in a minute. Answer this question first, that number one would say that earlier, not like that literally all of the information that we could possibly hand them as whistle blowers. I think also that that cadre of whistleblowers is the largest and most credible that that our nation has ever seen in Congress to date, all at one time having very similar concerns about this program.

51:01 Now, the messaging between DOOD and Congress, I think you can expect that d D certain parts of it are going to only be involved in that program. But if those program people are trying to influence things, I can probably guarantee you that it's not going to be one of letting all of this go public without a lot of fight. So I think it's safe to say that when DOOD discusses this topic with Congress, there may be some taint to deal with because they've been dealing with this program for many years. Decades, and they have always dealt with it a certain way, which is to pretty much deny that it exists.

51:52 And I think that's something they're comfortable with, and that's to be expected that they would continue in that vein. And I think that's the way that they are handling it with Congress. So you're talking to Congress also, they're they're coming to talk to congressmen and congresswomen that don't know the program, and it's easy to pull the wool over their eyes and make it seem like, oh yeah, sure there's a program, but it's reversus engineers only things from our adversaries. There is nothing about UFOs in it.

52:23 There's nothing about NHIS in it. You know, it's easy to make that. And they could even walk you onto into some of the installations, you know, people from the program can watch or walk Congress people into those installations and hide everything that has to deal with NHIS and UAP. So even going to the facilities would be a problem. So this is a bigger problem that and it's going to be something we have to think through very thoroughly. And or D O D needs to just realize that, you know, people like myself We're not looking to be eversarial about it.

53:01 We're not looking to give away all the secrets. We just want to get to a better place. And if you're willing to talk, then let's talk. Let's stop playing the old uh you know, hide, hide the whatever from each other game? And uh so speaking in English? Now you are and Jason, you work for the program that is speaking of one. That's when that has contractor involvement. What currently? No, I did you did? Yeah? You did? You did? And and so grush is a legend that there's embezzlement of funds involved in these programs.

53:46 Yeah, this is part of my concern as well. I mean honestly, if I was put on the stand right now in front of Congress, I'd be telling them all right, guys, you know you don't believe me, Well where's all the freaking money? Did you answer that? Did? Did did arrow answer that? Did? You? Just cut out? It's the playing I love you are. We are going to ship the hands. So go ahead, Rick forward, what's just happened? Yes, just recently I was listening to uh a K what is going on? So this is not my end guys, just so you know, and now it is actually just as I said that, but it's not.

55:06 Yeah, Robbie, they're trying to speak right now, but there seems to be having trouble with the feed from what I'm seeing. I mean, it's hard to believe, you know, three four people watching our feed right now, rob And overall with the US, there's another crash, whether they be from an adversarial nation or otherwise your space that's been going on. Our allies are much stronger in that regard by working together. So yeah, I'd be willing to talk to anybody in Europe that has a government that's willing to tackle this.

55:47 I'd be willing to talk to the UK, Australia whoever, just to get get them on board and see what we can do together. So I'd say that, yeah, maybe they've got some stuff, and whether or not they've shared it with us, I don't know. We didn't have to developed the program that far, or maybe we have and I'm not aware of it, because maybe that was something that came about after the nineteen nineties when I was in the program. Maybe they've you know, developed some really good friendships in that regard.

56:21 Yes, indeed,

56:25 so that would be my response. So, yeah, it's nanks work with our allies. Man. That's that's a good thing. Thank you Jison, Thank you Rick. Let's go to lou Reviews. Oh, here we go. Thanks. I'll be one hundred percent honest with you, Jason. All right, guys, I applaused it. I am just about to warn you Loue Reviews is one of these very very hard skeptics, one of these very very starts from a negative perspective goes in so this will probably be interesting.

57:14 I, like a lot of people in this conversation, I'm very skeptical of the things you're saying. I have so many questions for you that wouldn't be appropriate in a space like this, because I know a lot of people are waiting in line. I would love to speak with you on my show if that, if you never consider doing something like that, you know, if if what you're if the things that you're saying are true, then there should be no fear of answering any questions. I will say, you keep referring to the I C. I G. And too the Arrow Office and to lawmakers as they have verified who you are, and I believe you are telling the truth when you say that.

58:02 But my issue is is that they have not verified the claims that you are making. Nobody has verified the claims that you're making from an official standpoint, and they could verify those things without, you know, revealing classified information or sources and methods. Not one lawmaker, not one person from Arrow, and not one one congressional person at all have come forward and said, yes, we have a whistleblower that has given us information that we believe to be credible, and his name and his identity will be coming out soon.

58:40 And this idea that we're whistle blowing and the way we're doing it is through a James Fox movie. Like to me, that's not the way. Oh no, oh, good news. It's on my side. Yay. This time it's me with the failure heay to get this truth out there if it was genuine, hard data back truth. Come on, dude, what is going on tonight? I could be wrong on that, but that's what I want to explore with you. If you'd be open to that, well I'll consider it. And like I said before, h everything I've told them in the classified environment is honestly, I feel they did a disservice with because if they had gone to the places and even taken me with them.

59:54 They would if I had the I've just paused it. If I had the opportunity as a skeptic to ask a question on right there on the spot, I wouldn't waste that question trying to get him on my show to answer more questions, because at that point, you just seem like you're the grift or at that point, right, because you just you want, you want everyone watching your show to come get the come, get the come, get the real answers. Right, So you're just doing what everyone else is doing backwards. So, Uh, this guy Lou reviews what he does.

1:00:32 He plays above it, right, he thinks he's above it. He plays above it, but he just has it backwards. He just does it the other way, and and and and he knows it. He knows it. He's playing the the YouTube game, just like the rest of us playing the playing the algorithm play. He's playing the same game. Uh, he's just doing it from the opposite end of the basketball court. So I don't want to hear that bullshit. Instead of plugging yourself, why don't you ask a question that actually has some meaning behind it, because that was your opportunity to show that you're willing and able to tamper yourself and to bring yourself to a point where you can intelligently ask something without it just mainly being about yourself and your show.

1:01:24 So I actually thought that something good was going to come out of that. But modifiely know everything that I have been telling you is the truth in that case. If that's the case, Jason, I just don't understand why you don't tell everyone right now where those places are. If you're not getting it, be breaking below you think you deserve. And that's been mandated by Congress, and that was helped written by Christopher Mellon and the people that you trust. I don't and understand, like I'm not going to help bring that truth forward.

1:02:04 I see, No, it's not. And I agree. There's another part of this that's very legal, and it has to be done through the proper channels. And right now those locations and those people's names are classified. It's just as bad as like giving up a CIA agent's names. Yes, well, you're able to talk about NHI, right, and so that approved by Dopster because that's that should be classified, right, you are confirming the existence. Yeah, honestly, that's just that's a God given gift for every man, woman, and child on the face of the earth.

1:02:40 Okay, So was that something that was approved by Dopster or are you going around the classification protocol to share that with us? No? I did the dopster on all of that. Okay. So, so the Dopster lets you talk about the existence of non human intelligence and that is a fact according to you, but you can't tell us the program that it was involved with. The program name is classified and the program itself is classified, but not the NH. Yeah, not the NH. Does that makes sense? I addressed that earlier.

1:03:16 If you were in earlier I would you would have heard me say, because NHI are not part of our I'm pausing this. I'm pausing it again to to to bring this up again. All all all lou Reviews is doing right now is yelling and screaming about tell us the program and where it is and break the law like it that that. This is how legal channels do work. It's the same thing with David Grush. David Grush was through the dobs of process, is in fact allowed to talk about the existence of non human intelligence because the fact of therefore remains unclassified.

1:04:02 That it's it's unclassified in nature, right, but the program names your your your your, uh sources, methods, and means all that is classified. So if all that is under a top secret probably an above top secret clearance, let's get it. Let's let's not get it untwisted. There is no way in LM that you can come out and just start saying them on a fucking Twitter space. My god, my god, who lou Come on, man, you know you're smarter than that actor age not your shoe size. Governments they don't care what our classification is.

1:04:49 They don't care what our government says, they don't care what you say about it. They don't play by our rules. The h you tripped over his shoelace is what's going on, Matt, And then we'll get to rub and then JJ's questions. Thanks a million times over again. Retired of hearing it yet, Sorry, And it's just shot of adrenaline for everybody here. It's just really encouraging and uh yeah, you know uh that gummt uh. Sarah earlier kind of preempted where my question was going because but but not quite so I was going to ask not so much about the culture and maybe I should put it the social context of the fight club.

1:05:33 Let's say, to use your metaphor from earlier when I first broached the topic with you of the insiders and where where is everybody's I think the way I framed it early in the space, but I want to know more about the psychology of them so that I can so that we can better understand what is it going to take to get them where you are? Because that's for me, that's one of my favorite parts of the space so far. Just like you know, it's like the representative of our collective potential to choose and forge your own path forward.

1:06:01 As you've kind of alluded to throughout this, and that is that your kind of evolution and waking up perhaps spearheaded by that by your contact event on the range. And then it's like, you know, that kind of woke you up and you percolate and processed it for a while, and then the way you talked about yourself, it's just so and you're the way it changed you that was powerful and that like that just again for me, and I think other people if they don't know what that you know, compounds your credibility.

1:06:30 You know, infinitely, because you know, that's where we all need to go collectively. So I want to know is it take to get those other fight club members? What do they need to experience? And so that's the first part of my question. If you could say anything more about perhaps not just the culture, perhaps their psychology, like why is it why are so many of them stuck where you were? Because is it because they didn't have that experience like like you did, or similar experience And then perhaps just along those same vein like, this stuff gets weird, and I think as the space has gone on, I've gathered that you you know, particularly in the last couple of years, maybe you've made some more contacts and had some some real insights from from people more in the no and on different levels, and it's like, I'm wondering, you know, this stuff gets weird, and just one I'll give you one little tidbit that I think you know for me is a compelling part of puzzle piece that I think is part of the story.

1:07:18 I'm just curious if you could reflect on it. It kind of plays into maybe not the ancillary people, maybe for some of the true secret keepers, maybe what motivates them in the ways they are to keep quiet over the decades, and that I'll give you one little tibbit Melinda Leslie. I don't know if you're familiar with her, she's you know, I think we could all say collectively, most people to established that she's a legitimate, trustworthy researcher, my labs focused, my web's experiencer. And I've heard I'll say it because she said unrecorded space here in our community with some experiences of abductee spaces, she says way back when she and she's heard it from other researchers as well, and she says this.

1:08:00 I believe her, you know, just you know, that's my assessment of her. Take it for what you will, that that people true insiders who have some sort of gate keeping her authority, so gatekeeping capacity or authority to really you know, have some This is the way she characterize it. They have been threatened with their afterlife. That's when the enforcement mechanisms, whether it's true or not, whether or not anyone actually has that power over them, that's when the enforcement mechanisms not. You know, this stuff can go in a million directions, a lot of it doom and scary and dark.

1:08:32 But I think that's part of it, at least part what we need, what we need to contend with, and part of the story again, part of the puzzle pieces. So I just wonder if that is also plays into why this secrecy has been so ironclad from the people who have not found the way, whether low level or high level, deep layers of the onion, anywhere in between. Why have not why they have not had this transformation that you have had that's led them to say, you know what, my conscience compels to me, I'm going to find way to bring this stuff out again.

1:09:01 Back to but I said at the beginning to say, is like where is everybody? I just wonder if you could maybe elaborate a little bit more on that, because I think it'll help me and us go forward with you know, how do we entice these people? How don't EVE navigate them through? Like with your your website you're putting to go that. I just love to hear more insight and that if not to be the dot, if you have anything else to offer, I guess I just that's where my heart and mind is. I want to bring I want these people to to be where you are, and I just want to know more about how we can make that happen collectively.

1:09:28 Thank you. That was amazing, Matthew. Go ahead. I was going to say that it hinges a lot on you know, if you've had your own experience or you have not. I've found that the people that have had experience, and there are haven't had experience, but are able to believe other people that have had experience. And then there's the other bunch where they're either on the fence or they continue to you know, just doubt it, and they just can't help themselves from just doubting no matter what they're presented with.

1:10:05 So I'd say that that's one of the things that's missing is that maybe you know, experience wise, it's just that the psychology of it all has to do with that level of belief. And then the gatekeepers, yes, there is a very realistic threat to their careers, if not their you know, maybe even bodily harm. I doubt bodily harm, but back and just you know, not being sure of what they will do to you. If you're still in the program and you're you're you're doing something that you think is risky. And as I've said, I'm out of the program, been out of it for many years.

1:10:52 One of those things where you have got I'm wondering if we missed the part where he I again, I was unable. The space was not recorded, it was impromptu. Didn't know that it was this was gonna happen. I'm wondering if we missed the part where he because I have here in my notes that he he brought up various things that that I mean, we're I mean, there's still a lot of time left on this, but it could not on this on the space aspect, we only have about about thirty thirty more minutes of the space, so he could say it all in that time.

1:11:47 But he's talking about I haven't heard him say the twenty and back program, or talking about standing three inches from a blue skinned humanoid. I haven't heard him say any of that as it mentioned Grush aside from into context of whistle blowing, nothing about backing him up. So here are some of the things so asked, when will you reveal the name of the pro I think I'm getting that this was already asked because he keeps referring to it. So that's why I'm going to say it now. This is my notes from the reddit thread.

1:12:28 When will you reveal the program name? When will this be public? His answer, I would say it would occur when the fight Club of whistleblowers is finally able to meet and piece this all together amongst ourselves. I only have a piece of the puzzle, and I'm sure others have other pieces. Grush has a better handle on what a lot of others have to say, as he has spoken to others who are part of different parts of the program. When in the program, he would get called into it on a Friday evening at X hour, for example, in four pm, and would leave for two weeks and couldn't tell anybody.

1:13:15 He had a cover with his bosses and higher ups who asked, where's Jason, and they would say, don't worry about it, he's doing some work for me. When asked about NHI agreements, cooperative efforts between human and NHI, any any of the efforts taking place, Jason told them in classified environment, he feels they've done a disservice with it. If they want, if they went to the locations suggested in his testimony that he gave to the Senate and to the House, various members of both and even if they took Jason with them, then they would have all the info that they need.

1:14:00 There's another part of this besides simply a documentary that is legal in nature and it is currently classified. Uh. And that's where I think we're getting up to speed. I think that's where we're We're where we're coming into now. The because he's that this is where the notes go into, the adopts their program classification. NHI fact is not classified inherently, uh, which is enabling these men to talk about non human intelligence because it is not inherently classified in its nature and you wouldn't be able to so uh.

1:14:37 It's it's it's arrogant to say otherwise to come to grips with it yourself. And but so he's first hand witness. So that's one of the things now if bologically with everybody is to do what I'm doing right now, and that is to allow people to talk to me. At least you can hear it straight from somebody who's been in the program. That's who I am. I'm not gonna lie to you. I've been a man of integrity all my life, had my clearance from day one and it's continued on till now. And I just can't do. I don't like to be, you know, unforthcoming.

1:15:25 I don't like to hide things that don't need to be hidden. I don't like untruths when they're spoken. And that's who I am, and that's all I can offer. I mean, honestly, that's the one thing that's missing is that there's too few whistleblowers to help the public understand this fully. And I'm woefully inadequate. I only know my piece of the puzzle. I don't know everything. I have opinions on parts of it and things that I've figured out. But I can be wrong on some of my points as well, and I'll readily admit that.

1:16:00 But at least I'll give you my best shake. And that's all I can offer. Congress, That's all I can offer you, guys. I offer anybody to talk to me, and at least I'll give you a point of view that's somebody who has actually been there. And

1:16:18 and I don't know how much more real it can get other than actually get experience it yourself, because I think if everybody was exposed to it, then yeah, there'd be no problem. And but even then, like I said, there's still be a cadre of people that just would think it was an hallucination. So you know, it's it's not really something you can like translate to someone. Yeah, I don't think the government can even disclose the full Monty is not possible through language. That just my opinion. Yeah, I believe the same thing.

1:16:55 It's one of those things because I've tried so many ways. I'm like, did I just not say it right and get something across? I don't know to this person, you know, But it just has to do with the person receiving the information. You know, I can believe you're lying or I can believe you're telling the truth, and it's really up to each individual to go with one way or the other. Well said, Well said, Jason, You're you're burning the midnight oil right now, and I'm tired. Yeah, I mean just yea than space.

1:17:31 But then we have a few more hands up. How much more time do you have, Jason. Yeah, let's take a few more questions and then I got to get some rest. Man, Okay, So we're gonna preference the people who have not spoken yet. That's good, though, I do want to rob the great We'll go with you, and then Zim, I want to play the deposition from Corey Good. Hey, Jason, I just had a quick question, what are your thoughts about the nask of mummies and I guess the Peru attacks that happened last year. Thanks.

1:18:05 I find them intriguing, Honestly. Some of the head structures I find interesting. But again I'm not a biologist by any means, so I can't make those assessments. I do think that the bodies that they found in Peru are really interesting. I mean if if I mean they claim that they've had no kidding biologists and scientists looking at them, and they they're verifying that they are biological, that they're not uh glued together or whatever. And I find that even more interesting, so

1:18:40 being an analyst that waiting for a together, let's have an exhibit with them in there, and you know, really, ah, have more people studying these these bodies and mummies and stuff like that, because I think at some point are science will get sophisticated enough to where we can make more assumptions about you know, the DNA is actually you know, human or not. And those are some of the sticking points right now is that people are still saying, oh no, no, no, it's still just be a malformed human being and stuff like this, and it's the same thing.

1:19:27 There's so many mutilation arguments and counter arguments right to make a true statement. But I find it intriguing, and I think that maybe there's I hate to explain a joke, But did anyone ever see Annie Jacobson on Joe Rogan when she just every time he asks a question, she says, well, in my book, in my in my book, read it in my book. If you read my book, if you read the book, it like she said it in like a million different ways, over like a span of likes over the two hour conversation I heard in my book, probably I would say no less than two hundred times.

1:20:14 I'm not kidding. I started counting, like I went back from the beginning and we started a little ticker clock to see how many times she's she had said it was unreal. Uh. And and Annie is under the belief that the Roswell crash was something that was sent here from Russia and there was little people that were little human beings that had been mutilated and experimented on by the Russians and you know, the USSR at the time, and they were made to look alien like and that's where the Roswell story like, that's the truth of it, and that's she got that from her one source and she she claims, you know that the guy is credible, and

1:21:09 you know that's she sticks to that story, that side of the story, and and that's all well and good. But uh, yeah, just to explain that, you know, more DNA to study, that would be really cool to help it. Thanks Rep. M hm Zim, you're up.

1:21:35 Hey, Jason, I missed some of the first towers of this, but respect for coming forward the space of question. I've had an experience that seems so real and it was I appreciate that described just taking the time was a lot more tied to it. Consider your experience with a telepathy had is anything with the program tied to the sleep prouths his experiences and is that considered something more of a reality than just a psychological phenomenon. I would say that just from my experience in the desert with that individual, that yeah, he literally I thought he had kind of numbed my friend's minds that were still in the car which I was standing on the roadway with him.

1:22:30 So I would say that, yeah, they got probably had them in a form of paralysis to where they couldn't function anymore. God damn it? Can someone? Yeah? So yeah, sleep if someone in the chat can do me a solid on that other channel find me where he talks about the program's name, or the twenty where he says twenty and back and talks about his alien encounter. That's the part I want to play, obviously. But you know, I'm might be my product of exposure to that same sort of a thing in mind control.

1:23:16 Thank you, Jason Christmas. Yeah, real quick too. Before we get to the other hand, we get Steve Sprague. He was someone asked a few questions and he can't raise his hands. Well, he had like two questions he wanted to ask, not really a few except don't take that wrong. Hey Jay, how are you sorry? Thanks for coming out tonight and talking to you? Okay? Hearing me? All right? I got just a couple of really quick ones. I doubt you'll be able to talk about it. Do you know about all? Let me rephrase this.

1:23:51 Are you aware for Huachuka? I've heard of it? What am I thinking? I'm real tired right now in my No, it's it's it's it's ahead of the intelligence with the army, but there's some things that are specific to that location to do with eu AP. The other question that I had is do you think that at any time as you were going along with this, could you have ever been and I'm not talking about your own firsthand encounter here or anything that you worked on with the program, but could you have ever been fed disinformation?

1:24:30 Do you think that along the way, whether it's anybody that could be outside of let's say, the the UAP Task Force, you know, career comes to mind, or someone else or I'm not picking on anyone in individual particularly, I'm just saying, could you have been fed disinformation? Do you believe that that might have been the case for anything that you you hold as knowledge to yourself? And then really the third question is is do you think and do you feel that you will have any attacks and reprisals for what you're doing and becoming a whistleblower and is that a concern for you?

1:25:08 And that's it. That's those are my questions. Okay. As for folks influencing me, like I've said before, I don't I don't really read much on U A P. Unless one of my friends throws me a link and says, hey, look at this or look at that. Then I might give some opinions on it. But you know, even though I know Greer and other folks that are out there, yes, they they've surprised me with some of the stuff they know. And you know, I haven't experienced some of the things that they have said. And I can verify that some of the things they say is true, but you know, not all of it.

1:25:49 Like I said, I want to know a piece of the puzzle. So in that regard, did it influence anything I have have seen or heard? I highly doubt it, especially when I was on mission, because it would be a complete waste of thousands and thousands of dollars to have me and my team go someplace for an assessment and then waste time trying to feed me false information the whole way through, or to try to influence me and my team, because that would seem kind of weird to only have like four people right into your program, have them doing security inspections for you, and then feeding them a line a BS.

1:26:32 That is kind I don't think that that would be. That doesn't make it sound logic to me. Now, for report reprisals, No, I've done everything I possibly can to be on the up and up with all of this. I've kept this classified stuff out of our conversate conversation tonight. The only thing I've been willing to talk about is the culture within the program and the existence of NHI, and that's totally unplassified. Those are all things that are in my doster as well, so I for got coverage on all of it. So as for reprisals, yeah, sure, I'm sure any any jerk is welcome to come forward and try to shoot me down or whatever they want to do.

1:27:18 Oh they will, my brother, they will be bothered with that. Right now, I've got a team of legal people and lawyers that that have been helping me from the start and the get go the direction, and I'm sure they'll continue. So but now that have gone through all the wickets, I mean, I did everything they told me to do to be to the point where I can go public. So I don't think there's going to be any reprisals. There might be some people unhappy with me doing this, I mean that's a given. I don't know what to tell them.

1:27:52 I mean, honestly, it's not their life. I guess. Yeah, it's a good answer. So you can have your opinion as to whether I should come forward, but it's what I chose to do with this, and I'm not overstepping my balance when it comes to my obligations to the government and my classified clear. Jason, honestly, thank you. I just if you're who you say you are, you are going to be in the history books. Sorry. I'm not trying to blow your ego up, and I know that's not where you're doing this. But this is a huge This is a big deal, and I want to thank you for coming into the space.

1:28:33 Rob thank you for hosting. I'm being respectful of your time. Maybe we've got a lot more time left. I know you're toward the end. I did want to give one more question to a friend of mine who is smarter and more experienced on this topic than most people I've encountered in What is the wild Wild West? Like spaces? You know, Jason, I'm not sure I would recommend doing a lot more spaces, but a great way to break your story, so wait real quick, and I would not recommend it all going on the reviews the show.

1:29:11 Jason, Yeah, agreed, Okay, I'm so glad. Yeah, but I'm so glad he said that. Thank you Kimball and Rob Astro for hosting this. Jason, thank you so much for coming coming on this is. It's been a an incredibly thousand It's pretty incredible. So yeah, I really appreciate it. My question is this, So Luis Alizondo has been quoted talking about the idea of what constitutes humanity. H He's brought up the idea of what what if it's not mankind but mankind? And to me that conjures these sorts of questions about whether humanity might not mean something, It might not be just about highly evolved primates, but something deeper, something to do with our sentience, our consciousness, our souls, or whatever.

1:30:24 So my question is, what do you think constitutes humanity? And moreover, do you think that the Nhi? I know you've addressed this a little bit prior. I've been listening for the past few hours, but do you think that the Nhi might have had any role in the ancient past or recent past in terms of the development of our sentience as human beings, or experimentation with our genetic makeup or some type of artificial selection. Thank you yeah, that has nothing to do with my exposure in the program. But in my opinion, after being exposed to all this stuff that the strangeness, I did go read up on some things, just light reading kind of stuff about ancient history.

1:31:24 I have read through the Bible from front to back, and yeah, it seems to be even the Maha Baranda mentions the same sorts of things that there has been an influence at least with mankind for a very long long time. If you're to take the eyewitness reports and even you know, the shards of the Bible and the the manuscripts that we have available from ancient times where eyewitnesses, you know, in these books mentioning you know, beings and vehicles or other things that are quite inexplicably like what we would consider u AP activity in an HI activity.

1:32:10 So I would say in that regard, yes, there has been some influence. And if you if you take the other parts of the stories within those manuscripts from ancient history, they described some of the harsh treatment of our kind, and I think in the I think you're also referencing like Anonachi and things like this. I didn't read up a little bit on that, not a lot, but just that how they had created a race to work for them in the minds or whatever they wanted to get the gold or whatever they're going after.

1:32:46 So if those are true, then yeah, we've been manipulated, even in DNA. The Bible also describes how you know the giants came about was because the fallen angels or the watchers had been taking lives of mankind and the offspring became giants. So you have all these really strange things that are hard to wrap your head around. I don't know how much of it to believe myself. All I can say is that when you ask about our soul and who are we supposed to be, I think that that is the one thing that is unique to us.

1:33:23 Honestly, I think each one of us would agree that we feel like we're individuals, that we're each unique, that we each have a different skill set. There's literally no identical twin. You get close to you people that are like you, but there's all as differences, and I think that speaks well of you know, if there is an everlasting life after this, that learning who you are is more important than anything else in this life. And stop wasting time trying to seek after, you know, frivolous things, and just learn who you're supposed to be first of all, and then be that person.

1:34:12 Is Like I said earlier in the show, that's really what I think be in contact with your very soul is about, because I think that's who you are, and if there is an'n afterlife, that's who you're going to be as well. I mean, that's that's the shard of intelligence and life that you were created to be. So

1:38:16 I was muted for that whole thing. Oh my god. I literally just looked to the top of the screen and was like, I'm muted, all right. So I basically took this down. I took I took the video down. It's easy. I'll just go right back through it. I took the video down. Ah god, it's so I hate the mute feature because I have two different ways of doing it. So I do it one way and then I accidentally hit a key on the keyboard and it mutes the stream yard. So if I if I hit M on the keyboard, it mutes stream yard, and it's a ton of problems and I don't know, I don't know if there's a way to fix it.

1:39:07 So we it seems like we missed some of some of the stuff that was in the beginning of the space, and I want to go through some of what that is. So Number one, James Fox texted him during the space, so he knew that Jason was coming forward that night. I'm going to say that there was a little probably miscommunication there and that it happened spontaneously, and he told James in hindsight, and James Canna couldn't do anything about it. That's my guess to what would happen. Uh says he's a first hand whistleblower and is whistle blowing his first hand knowledge of the phenomenon.

1:39:47 Any connection to classified programs needs to be discussed in a skiff, so he pulled the crush. Uh. He's sticking to that. Uh. You know, Uh, classified stuff needs to be in a skiff. But he is to publicly testify under oath in hearings and has made this known to Congress as he has given testimony to representatives in the Senate and the House. Each time that he's spoken to them, there has been at least seven individuals present. From here is where we go to the woods, I ad the WU not the woods. What the hell I got the movie on my mind.

1:40:22 Here's where we get into the WU. He stood three inches from a blue skinned humanoid being that was not like us. It was not us. We heard him in the testimony that we did hear reference and experience where some being did something to his team member. I can only assume as of right now that that is what they were talking about, that encounter with this blue humanoid. He also says that Crash two of programs are legit, and there are multiple craft and multiple non human intelligence flying around and in our oceans, and they are tangible and physical and they can be if they want to.

1:41:07 Some of them don't have to be if they don't want to, but can if they want to. Rumor is that the Reptilians are the malevolent of the beings now here. Like I said, we're in the woo now and some Nhi don't like us, but aren't malicious. Some Nhi help us, but only up to a point because we can't handle the power of the technology. He doesn't know much about the biologics, which we did hear him talk about. He personally wants people to know that we aren't alone, but there is caution in letting people know that they are actively engaging humanity and opening ongoing contact because they don't know the full extent of it.

1:41:49 Asked again, when we reveal the program, he said, when the levee breaks, So he does mention the secret space program. Uh, and this twenty and back and I just wanted to quickly play so this is what again. I'm not saying that this guy is uncredible, and I'm not saying that this is makes him incredible. I'm simply presenting what twenty and back and it has, what the baggage that it has attached to it, and what that will do to this testimony if he goes forward with that aspect of it.

1:42:38 Again, I can't stress this enough. I don't claim to know his his his story one hundred percent yet I don't think anyone does. But Uh, if there is this reference to twenty and back and a secret based program where he'd be taken, Uh, does time, I mean, does it work differently? Because if he if he's in the program and he is telling the truth the twenty in back program, how did that work? Does time work differently? In these missions that they went on? And how how many patents you know have we taken and seized as a government of Advanced Propulsion and Advanced Technology zero point energy.

1:43:26 How many patents get seized per year that have to do with alternative energy? There's no doubt in my mind that a secret, supposed based program probably exists. But this twenty in back program, if he's going to be attaching himself to that, that's going to be a hard sell. And I'm just gonna say it up front, that's going to be a hard sell because what I'm about to show you is a deposition of Corey Good who claims IP and I'm I'm not joking, he claims to own the IP of the twenty and back story. So it will literally cause legal issues.

1:44:12 I would assume eventually Corey Good is gonna pop up if this guy sticks to this twenty and back thing, and he's gonna be like here using my intellectual property, Like is that what's gonna come next? Because that would ruin this whole thing, this guy's whole everything he's trying to do. If if this guy is coming from his heart and is genuine and and just you know I if this is just a coincidence, then that sucks because this is gonna be a hard cell to the public, to the UFO public, and to the public after the debunkers get a hold of it, because it's only it's not when.

1:44:51 I mean, it's not if it's when. And they've already they've already connected the dots to the Corey Goods store. So let me God, let's watch what I can only describe as a theater. So as you're referring to, I think we're talking about the ones that you're Okay, So you're saying the time and my clients after you file the lawsuit against my clients, my clients released a video online that you believe cause you harm and you believe that was twenty twenty, right before Christmas, not twenty nineteen. Is that crap?

1:45:43 I believe. So anything else about your testimony that you wish to change or add I don't know, no, okay, because if you remember anything else, you understand you're free to add it in now. That's fine, right and okay. Before we went off the off the record, we talked about a few things. I want to make sure that I don't want. There's something earlier you mentioned instead of bitch and complaining to the community or having things get out you prefer to go to someone straight to where the problem is instead of making things public.

1:46:24 Is that right? Yes? And

1:46:29 so instead of using social media that you prefer to do that in private any issue resolving, right. I think it's like it would be true to say that you've never used social media to evidence that you found that evidence that you've found that your phone had been monitored by Jay Widener. That's read to information and it'll come out in that case. I think it's two thirty. Do you have any information that my clients have ever monitored your phone? Not monitored my phone, but there was information about their behaviors.

1:47:09 Yeah, before I had filed the suit, like Roger Richards was really destroying my reputation all throughout the community through his social media, and they warned me about that, But there was no warning that the phone monitoring was going on directly from your clients. You need to be careful that my our phones were being monitored. That was also during the same time that David Wilcox's website, my associate his website was hacked, and David Wilcox also is another known there is a real big deal public deal.

1:47:52 Did you notice that the SPA entertainment had a different name

1:47:58 that I had the right God, I didn't realize the liability of the situation at the time. And what was that time when you signed all of this, During the time when we were signing the agreements for the documentary with and approximately when it was that I think it's I believe this was for the first one in twenty seventeen. Guessing is really difficult, is interesting. It all blends together and you understand it. Guessing means you're saying something that you knew nothing about, like you telling me how many vacations I went on last year.

1:48:38 You have no idea. That's your definition of guessing. That's guessing. Estimating is you have some reason to know. That's an estimate. And so all today is about is estimate. I do want your best estimate. If I can't give a best estimate, then what do I tell you? You just say it was about no you'd say if you ever had a reason to know. For example, you know you're saying probably around twenty seventeen, Like I said at the beginning of today, you give me a range and say, you know, mister Webb, I know it was more recent than twenty sixteen.

1:49:11 But not so reason is like twenty nineteen older than that. So you give me an estimate based on what you remember. Is that fair? It is so when you sign these tax documents to have the money go into one account even though the work was yeah, and it was against my will. I did not want to sign that, and you made me do it. No, it was. It was kind of been a coda as it was for ten ninety one. Right, it was supposed to be the same agreement on all income coming in for the DVDs, and it was a livestream distributions.

1:49:56 We agreed that this is a what other agreement would not be lawful and ethical other than to give the original stakeholders the percentage that they're entitled to, because they weren't just told that they were going to get the twenty whatever the percentage was from the DVD. They were all under the impression that the movie all sales. So we're going to have to go over the documentation we had with them. Obviously we're gonna have to bring an EUX who is the guy is at EUX? And can you not hear that's They were very concerned about the contract after they had it sent to one of their attorneys, and that's what caused them to call me quietly and to tell me to be careful of these two that they were worried.

1:50:51 That they didn't want to get too specific, but they were worried about the rights of the picture. They had spent a ton of time writing the treatments. Roger didn't write it. Leon didn't write it. You know. They wrote it, and I sat there with them on the phone and helped them write it. So they did. They sent in and registered with the Writer's Guild those documents with all three of our names on them because they didn't trust Leon. Yeah. These other names were who and the other name Classy. Yeah, Yeah, it's coming.

1:51:48 They started asking some really like weird questions, so hilarious right now. Uh,

1:52:14 you've made claims to some people that sometimes you have memory issues, right sometimes, and you call it temporal dementia. What do you call it? My father had temporal dementia. That's what he passed Away from what I had said is that a lot of people that had the experiences that I had developed temporal dementia. I did not ever say that I had it, and the memory issues I had were related to PTSD and those memory issues decreased and went away as I came off of the medication and was no longer being treated for PTSD, which was through twenty six teen or twenty fifteen, the end of twenty fifteen.

1:53:03 We'll make it medications were you on back then? I had to get that to you. I don't remember. Yes, I didn't used to take anavar without a prescription. I took from Guaya. I had had a bunch of you know, the shoulder surgeries and everything that I described.

1:53:23 He got it for me because I have my extreme atrophy, and I took it for three maybe four months. The atrophy went away, and I no wonder it took it. When you say he got it for you, that was without a prescription, without a prescription, Okay, So it was some of that was from fighting with aliens. Never two that they were worried that

1:53:54 they didn't want to get too specific, but they were worried about the rights of the picture. It spent a ton of time writing the treatments. Roger didn't write it. Leophon and because they didn't trust Leon and these other names were who so well these parts but you well, yeah, well who, Well they're communicate with them, but you can move these and video games out of So you're saying that no one else can communicate with them, but you, well yeah, well who Well, they're my spirit guides there. They came from me, and so you're saying, and is unique to you.

1:54:36 No one else can communicate to them but through you. Let's see and just answer my question. It's in my franchise Bible. It's my creation. I'm a content creator. Whether I have my life stories mixed with some drama which I've always made public as well, and in this book. Do you remember my question? Yeah, this is my question. This is crazy. The the Anshar are a creation. My question. My question is can anyone else communicate the anschar to something I created other than through you? That's something I created, that's something I trademarked that.

1:55:19 That's part of my trademark. No, okay, So the only people who can communicate to Anshar, are you correct? It's a part of my meditative process. Okay. If someone wants to create up the meditative process where they're talking to the Anshar, there's nothing that stops that, and they will believe it and they will allow them in their higher self to connect. It's a tool, so they could so someone else could connect to Anshar as well and have an experience with Anshar as well. If yeah, if they imagined it.

1:55:48 So, but if they decided to go out and do a television show about it or write a book about it, they might have a problem. But can't they have their own couldn't write about their own experience? Have ay problem their own experience with something? I mean, okay, it would be the same as a Star Wars character. No, but if someone else has an experience or had a meditative state, can't they communicate or talk about their experience As a twenty well backstory, they can communicate and talk about whatever they want.

1:56:18 This is America. Sure, But if they went out and said so basically says that he was he went on his twenty and back program where he uh goes for a twenty year mission and comes back and does an age a day and and and that is similar to what apparently Jason Sands is saying, and and said the twenty and back program. But this guy owns the trademark to that whole thing. So this is the position about that, and it was published obviously, so it kind of blew it kind of blew his spot up that he added lies to his story, embellished aspects of it, purely created other aspects of it.

1:57:10 But he was marketing it as his full true experience. And Wilcox is the same way that Han Solo was giving them information in their dreams or in their meditations, and they started writing books about it. Guess who's going to come and sue them. Oh, so you're saying that this anshar it's real, it exists as far as you're concerned, and that you communicate with the anshar. Correct. It is a meditative tool that I use and a lot of my I am answering your question, is it or not? It is not physically real.

1:57:51 It was created by me as a part of my meditative practices. Do you communicate with something an char? I? In my meditations, I use the anshar as like an avatar to communicate and gather different information. Avatar being real and independent from you or part of you, It would be a It depends on how you view a person their higher self or the independent from you, or is it part of you. It's my creation, It's part of my higher self. So no one else can communicate with it because it's your creation, right, unless they decide to create it in their head.

1:58:34 But then they're not creating it. Well, if they create it in their head, what are they doing. They're borrowing my creation and delusionally having their own experience, and they can't write about their own experience. They can't write and profit off of just like Han Solo the whole Star Trek. This is an ip that is like Star Trek, and it is dramatizations built on top of my experiences and that people do that all the time, and they're so you're saying that it's not So you're saying that Star Trek is real.

1:59:16 No, okay, No, so Star Trek's not really. Ashar is not real either, correct? Correct? Oay. It's all a part of this intellectual property, and it's content that's created by you, yes, and all of the delusional people in the community who take this information. It's it is what you call fan fiction, Okay. So people that are talking about the Anshar and all of these different secret space program things, it's fan fiction based on my real life experience that I dramatized created. People are delusional if they believe it.

1:59:55 They're delusional if they believe they were in the secret space program and in contact with the anshar who are my creation? Do you believe you're part of secret space program? I was part of a secret program. I was. And whose secret was it? What do you mean? You said it's a secret space program. Who's secret? It was a government secret? I guess United States government? And so you say that you're part of the secret space program. I was a part of. I was brought into my lab programs when I was in elementary school, brought to cars where Air Force air Force base where we went through all sorts of experiments and training which cars, Well it's now joint and they changed it in the deposition.

2:00:49 But he also and so because of that, you're part of the secret space program. No. I was brought into the a program, a secret space program based on that training, and after that I did this, And so the secret space program was introduced to you. And you're in elementary school right when I was seventeen. I thought you said elementary school. Now that was the training, the my lab of training where they took us out of school and did training and experiments. And we say they took you out and did training experiments use the day the people that were working with the elementary school and junior high that I used that I went to, and Carswell Air Force Base.

2:01:45 Do you know who they were working for? The Navy? Okay? And so the Navy was taking you out of elementary school and junior high in training. I'm sure they had Missus Hill, who was a contract for them, was also teaching at our school. Took us out of class, took us to the cars Ware Air Force Base, so you can see where he's for. What all went on? Tell me how often would they take you out? And it was maybe one day a month, and then sometimes it would be like a little spurt of uh you know, more more like two or three days in a week.

2:02:31 Okay. Now, how many years did was it that frequent? From when I was six or seven up until seventeen, it's like ten years. As a result of that training, what did you do differently? Huh? I love this there, I'm going to need that referrase. Sure, as a result of this secret Space training program, you had an elementary and junior high. What did you do as a result of that training? I still don't get what you're saying. Okay, because of that, what did that cause you to do with a secret space training.

2:03:19 What did it cause me to do? Yes, Like, for instance, you went to you said you've done twenty and back journeys where you go way over twenty years and come back on trademark and okay, all right and literally you've done that and you've done that many times. Right, literally just said it once twenty and back was said, he's a trademark and he pointed to his book. So he again is coin So that is a so you see the dilemma here. He he is saying that he has woven together real life stories and uh seak aspects, right, and that a lot of people do this.

2:04:05 Yes, it's true, a lot of people do this. And then but you but but he did. He didn't market it that way. He was marketing it and going on the lecture circuit and and and and UFO conference circuit, uh, telling this as his truth, right, and then wrote a book about it. And then you know, someone else got in on it or wanted to get in on it, and then this happens, he sues him for intellectual property. Right. So now that's all comes out that this most of it is bullshit mixed with uh, probably bullshit.

2:04:45 I don't know who knows, kay, correct, that's the dramatization on top of the story. Like I said, are you saying dramatization or is it real? Part of it's real? Part of its dramatization? What black I've said about all of this? What part is dramatization? Be more specifically sure, what part of the twenty and back is dramatization and not real? Well? The twenty and back itself is my creation trade market and that's why it's part of my intellectual property. So does that mean it's not real? It's dramaization?

2:05:17 What does it matter if it's real or not? I'm asking you whether it's dramaization or is it real? It's a real part of my dream or delusion of whatever you want to call it. I created created all this as on top of the training that I did have and the experiences that I did have. I extrapolated this stuff out and created it. Okay, but it's part of your dream or delusion you call it? Correct with whatever y'all want to call it? Well, what do you all? Right? So? Uh, you see the problem? You see the problem.

2:05:58 The twenty and back story is going to be something that is going to be very very, very hard to pass the community uh smell test. And I do think that if that he sticks, if this Jason Sands sticks to that, that then there's gonna there's just there's no way that uh that it could possibly hold weight uh to most people. I think, I don't know. I don't know. I'm trying to, you know, think about it from both aspects. But so I listen some pros and cons. So pros for Jason Sands are allegedly that he's a first hand witness.

2:06:44 Right, that's good for the community. You know, he's called himself a whistleblower, right, so that enacts that protection. It does allow him uh certain abilities to to to you know, navigate this this territory uh properly as long as he does so remain uh, you know, without legal repercussion. Did refer and say that in class uh that he was speaking classified I can't even rebound writing. Did refer and say any classified info would have to be discussed in a skiff. And that has willing that he's willing and publicly ready to testify under oath.

2:07:35 Uh says he's given testimony to the House and Senate, admits no knowledge, no knowledge of biologics and that's just what not what his uh department or job aspect had to do it, so uh not really his wheelhouse. I think those are all pros for his story, as well as some of the stuff that I heard in the space says, Uh, he just handles himself pretty well. He he, he sounds like he either you know, it's it's it's it's that Lazar thing, right, it's either he's the best liar or you know,

2:08:22 to tell the truth. But it's one or the other, or is it a mix of both? Uh, just like what we just saw. Uh. And and that's the problem, Like you gotta separate it. You gotta separate it. So if there's any and I think David Grush, you know, dealt with things like this and and and when he came out, but it was from different angles. So David Grush had personal things like PTSD and uh, the cops got called a couple of times because of him, wanted to take his own life. If they use that against him, imagine them what they're gonna use against Jason Sands.

2:09:03 They're just gonna pull this Corey feet thing up, slop it up and be like boom, that's it. No one's gonna know, and and no one's gonna take it seriously from there. So my advice if Jason, if you're mixing, you know, if you're if you're pumping the story, please just tell the truth. Tell whatever the core truth is. That's all right, Because again I did not hear him mention the twenty and back program. There people are just saying that he did. And again I thought I was gonna be able to hear him say it, but the the wrong clip or not the full length clip, which I'm now gonna have to seek out for another part two, Like you know, follow up on this.

2:09:52 Some of the stuff that I will say again is, you know, Corey Good is a known liar, grifter and storyteller.

2:10:01 You know, people are claiming that, uh, this guy must be a disinformation agent Jason Sands and or or or a plant uh in the community, relating him to Richard Richard Doty, which I have issues with because I think I don't think Richard's a plant in the community. I just I don't I see where they're coming from when they say that. But again I'm not a subscriber of that at least anymore. He may have been at one time, but I think he's fully retired at this point and is you know, doing his own thing. Uh.

2:10:42 He does not work for or share information with with I mean he may share information with people from the government. That's a different story. He came out on four twenty. This all happened on four twenty, so where it's now for twenty two, a couple of days later, So we've had a lot of time to talk about this or think about it mulled over. Uh, no follow up has really come from anybody. He does have. So he says that James Fox, Leslie Kane, Louel Azando have all verified him, as well as other people in the community have verified him.

2:11:25 I'm assuming what they verified are his credentials, not his story, because again, you know, I hate to bring it to it, but what like what Lou Review said in the test in the in the spaces, it's not what it's not the story that they're verifying. It's his background, his credibility and is he who he says he is? This the what he is saying is Uh, it's just an entirely different game. So again we have to understand that there's a separation line. Uh. There So and that's again through the dopster. It all has to get reviewed for pre publication

2:12:13 for you to talk about it in public. David Grush has been dealing with it. Louisand has been dealing with his book. Who knows when that's coming out. Probably an asteroid might hit us by the time Louisanda's book ever actually makes it to the shelves at this point, but he is saying all these people can vouch for him, and he's also supposed to supposedly the driving force for James Fox's film The Program. Now I don't know how true that is, but because none of these people have come out and said anything, they haven't.

2:12:41 They haven't verified, they haven't, they haven't. You think they'd want to back him up if it's true and he is a driving force in some sort of film or production that they have. And again, how did he get to telling his story in a random Twitter spaces If he is the driving force for a film, that is uh, you know said uh. You know. The way James does things is he likes to it's like investigatory, so you know, it's like a watershed moment right when you're watching the film, and that's definitely how you feel when you watch moment of contact and the phenomenon.

2:13:18 So there was no doubt in my mind that if this was the driving force of that documentary that, uh, I don't think this is going to hinder that. But if that secret Space Program twenty and back thing comes up, there are going to be questions that need to be answered other than that, What do you guys think? Let me know in the comments, what you guys think of Jason Sands. Let me know you what you think about the allegations that he's making. Uh, let me know what you think about his uh, his his his integrity, his credibility, his body well not body language, but I mean, he sounded very confident.

2:13:58 He sounded very and it was a it was a late show. I know how bad those can get. We're doing one right now, you know, I'm I'm talking solo. I've been solo for two almost two and a half hours, right and and I understand like it's tiring, you know, on people on the other side watching don't always get it that. You know, it is tiring to go through and be constantly answering questions and kind of recounting things, and especially if if it's a you know, whim. But again, if you're preparing for the documentary, I would assume that all this at the forefront of his mind.

2:14:35 And uh, I think coming out this way was definitely weird. It was weird, like I would have done it with like a one on one interview with you know, I don't don't. I'm not gonna say me, but I would love I would love it for me to be me, of course, you know, I would love the challenge to do something like that. But uh, lou reviews, I don't think that that would be a good good idea those kind of forums. Uh. And then the spaces I don't think are a great forum for Jason right now, not until at least the documentary comes out and more can be really understood about the situation and what is exactly being said and claimed by Jason.

2:15:23 So until then, will continue to cover and follow up with this. But this has been a breaking news story, guys. Uh. And I enjoyed. Uh. I enjoyed this, even doing it solo. There you were at two hundred and three people right now. You know, it's a it's crazy. Uh. It really pissed me off that again, you know, YouTube doesn't doesn't UH really promote the show the way it should. But Twitter doing a bang up to all of doing that. And uh so that's where the people are and that's where they stay, you know, and I ye, until you can monetize it.

2:16:02 Uh Like like I said, as a content creator, Yeah, you do have to monetize. And and some of what Corey Goode talks about, you know, there's nothing wrong with And that's the thing I need that we need to understand in this UFO community is there's nothing wrong with making money to you know, working in this field. What there is when you're lying and perpetuating a narrative that is false narrative and gaining and profiting on that as truth. Yes, that's a problem. Yes, that's a problem because you if not your science science fiction right tell storyteller, That's what that is.

2:16:46 You're a storyteller. If you if you're marketing as the truth, people are are are much more susceptible to buy into it. And and and all of a sudden, this like really cult atmosphere develops around it, and we have to be very careful of that. So it's it's it's gonna be a weird, uh a weird next week and a week or two, I will say that, and we'll definitely be covering it. You know, I'm slated to talk to Danny Sheen May sixth, so you damn sure I'll be asking about Jason Sands. And I just want to thank everyone for being here tonight.

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2:18:03 Uh we this Bridgewater project. Uh that that we've added to the movie that we're making right now about connecting Road to the sand Witch Trials. This we've opened the buck. Oh my god, this movie is shaping up to be something crazy, guys. It is crazy. So a lot we're set to shoot. I'm sure I'm set to move in May and also end season two of the podcast in May and also shoot the Bridgewater segment in May as well as again record uh with all these people. So to try to wrap everything up, someone have a lot going on.

2:18:40 We're gonna be trying to go to live as much as we can. We're definitely gonna be going. So we're staying on a haunted air, a haunted house in the Bridgewater Triangle while we're filming in the Bridgewater Triangle. That's a sneak peak I'll give you. So we're gonna be doing a secondary kind of thing while we're there for you tube, Uh probably live kind of live streaming this haunted house while we're there. Just you know, there's uh in our off time when we're not doing uh shooting for the movie and in that investigatory stuff that we're working with through Bridgewater Research Investigatory team with the guys who made the movies about Bridgewater.

2:19:21 They have unlocked so many doors. Uh. Bill Russo is going to be giving testimony, uh to me who had the famous Buckogi sighting. Uh. We have someone giving so from Homeland Security. Uh that's giving testimony. Just a plethora of people that are credible, Uh, Joe uh DeAndre is giving testimony. Uh, there's just there's so many people that are giving interviews. Modern Day Witch is from Salem, Mediums, ghost Hunters. Everything is going to be in these three parts. It's gonna be an amazing film. It's going to be right here on this platform, in many others and I can't wait to get it out.

2:20:01 But behind the scenes stuff will be coming out for for members and stuff. So if you want to join, click that joint button, guys, And until then, we'll see you next time. Next time I see you will be this Sunday. We have Josh Maitland who is a remote viewer and uh it is a two part episode and he did a session on the USSNMETS. He was targeted with remote viewing the USSNMETS and what his well, I mean, we found new things that he was right about. He we basically go through his whole uh notebook session and he tells us how remote viewing works, what his

2:20:45 you know, processes, and he goes through it all with us, his whole notes from ideograms to the Monroe Institute style cowboy style, which is a style that they're working with now. Uh. These like remote viewers who can you know, maybe take a little bit more front loading than traditional remot viewers should be, but still working with it, so uh. He's also going to be the music supervisor for the film, so he's gonna be scoring the movie. So lots more to come, guys, We'll see you very soon and