**BRIEFING TO CONGRESS** Eric Davis-Tim Gallaudet-Avid Loeb & Lue Elizondo -Part 1

0:14 Speaker 1: And again thank you for everyone for being here. I'm looking forward to today's here.

0:22 Speaker 2: Thank you all for being here. I'll be very grave lou, thank you for the introduction. Thank my colleagues up here to be kind words. I'm not sure what that's all about.

0:31 Speaker 3: I think I'm buying beets?

0:32 Speaker 1: Is that just singing? You're crazy?

0:34 Speaker 2: You're gonna dogs horses out before we get home today. It is a pleasure of being here, and I want to thank the people that are that are sitting right there, some dear friends.

0:46 Speaker 1: Of mine, people in the media and elsewhere that are.

0:50 Speaker 2: Always kind to me, and we don't agree on a bad young thing, but we do agree that this is the biggest comfort of our lifetime and we need to get it.

1:00 Speaker 1: And how mean you felt, folks? You know out there that we believe and for so many years people that believe like we did. And let them chats and they will bring it up.

1:14 Speaker 2: You get criticized, people say all kinds of awful things in biops.

1:19 Speaker 1: You d them on over that we know that things covered up and we're gont off of it. So thank you all for being here. Let's get on.

1:34 Speaker 4: What I'd like to do is because time is precious, especially for the members. Obviously they have a real job to do. This is part of it, but they've had a whole lot of other responsibilities. So that said, I'd like to first begin if I think he's specifically Representative Luna from the thirteenth District, if I'm not mistaken aforida from her leadership on this particular in this particular affortment and on this topic, this will not impossible if it was not for Representative Luna in her pursuit of the truth she has as she has served her country quite honorably and her husband as well, and when you've been in a little trip about across him, so.

2:10 Speaker 1: On, behalf of a very grateful nation.

2:12 Speaker 4: Man, Thank you for what you continue to do, your continued service to this nation and that of your family. It is greatly appreciate, and your service specific is well militarist.

2:20 Speaker 1: Thank you.

2:22 Speaker 5: Secondly, I led to thank Representative Brokeson, somewhat newer to this.

2:28 Speaker 4: Topic than some of the other folks, being on the Senate side and even the outside, who has also champion truth and transparency within the American government. I would refer to him as a healthy skeptic, which I think is important always keeping an open mind on other data to being for herself. And in my interactions with Represented Brookston, I've seen him to be every time and exclusively honorable and truthfully and he is now I think it's translated into the form you see here with the media President.

2:58 Speaker 4: We're going to have a very interesting conversation today. And again this isn't really possible because of the three individuals up here. So if you have timely long arm, I would suggest you give him a good deal of thanks for.

3:11 Speaker 1: What he's doing foreign usion.

3:13 Speaker 4: And last is certainly not least in Representative timber Shipping from Tennessee, who has been sepearheading this topic for quite some time at great personal risk to his political career. That's most of you know, that's one thing that politicians tend to what is risky, especially when it comes to collection time.

3:34 Speaker 1: And Representative for Schett, I would probably define him as.

3:39 Speaker 4: Bringing a working man's perspectives and a common sense perspective to the bureaucracy. Became the Washington d C certainly breath of fresh air and the champions for again truth and transparency for government and for institutions. So that's set, that's offer running applause for them. Secondly, delighted to thank the ESTUDI panelists that are with us here today. You don't hear okay back justin mons record, use my drill starting voice if I need to. We're gonna have three separate sessions with panelists with extremely Steve donograms.

4:20 Speaker 4: I'm not sure there's ever been assembled a panel like this in front.

4:24 Speaker 1: Of the American people. And I don't say.

4:27 Speaker 4: That likely because I've been part of a lot of means a lot a lot of sus both in the intelligence community and within the National security apparatus. We have elements from academium, elements from the scientific community, elements from the national security or elements around the intelligence community, all speaking here today to you about what they know regarding the UITB topic. The assembly here is is dare I say, possibly even historia. I'm truly honored to be with you here today. I will be your moderator.

5:03 Speaker 4: Real quick reminder.

5:04 Speaker 1: For a paylists I'd like to when you're asking a.

5:07 Speaker 4: Question, try and keep it within Try to keep it within three minutes.

5:11 Speaker 1: Eric.

5:14 Speaker 6: If you go beyond that, I might have to kind of get the conversation guarded into some other questions going to be doing a lot of panelists, and I also have a tendency to talk a lot, so I'm going to try to keep myself in check as well.

5:28 Speaker 1: But panalists try to keep your responses to three minutes.

5:31 Speaker 4: Some panelists have for you in presentation, So for those about a presentation, we'll do the presentation first and then we'll be followed up with questions, and of course, esteem Members of Congress, if you have any questions all the time, we feel free to ask that we will we will certainly have our panelists address those questions for you.

5:49 Speaker 1: One more reminder again, securityminder.

5:51 Speaker 4: I always said it before, but for everybody who's coming here after, I'm going to be asking questions. Some of those will be very pointed questions For those of you who have a security clariances but who have held any security clearance, I asked that you'd please be mindful that this is an unclassified venue and not to discuss classified information. For the record, none of us look good in an orange JUNKESU certainly I don't, so if you want to be mindful of that.

6:17 Speaker 1: And I also like to thank the medium, thank each and every one to be for being here.

6:20 Speaker 4: I know This is a topic that for quite some time was from the statement taboo. This would have been considered career suicide for any respectable journalists to cover this topic, just like it is for politicians and or elected leaders of this nation. And times are changing. Times are changing because of you. So I wanted to do a hearty thank you to the members of media or covering this, and last but not Leason, probably perhaps the most important.

6:46 Speaker 1: I would like to thank each and every one of you in the audience, Each and every one of you. This to an in me and each over want to do.

6:51 Speaker 4: That's watching this, each and every one of you that might be sitting on your sofa at home or run a dinner table and are interested in this topic and have asked questions. This is because of you. Our elected officials put this on because of you, not me, and not even our siting guests.

7:10 Speaker 1: Because of you. And that's you.

7:12 Speaker 4: Tell you something that means democracy is working, folks. That means strains aherency of work. That means we people are working. And that's a lot that's profound. This is democracy in action, and you're watching it. So I want to thank each and every one of you. And I also want to thank real quick the staff here in Hill that to help put this together and coordinate this I know to do a zoom, but thank you so much for for being patient with us and helping us with the audio, visual and the media and the seating is very much appreciated.

7:46 Speaker 4: So with that, let's go ahead and begin, shall we.

7:53 Speaker 4: So I would like to introduce the first of our panelists. Here is doctor aby Logan. Now bear with me because he has his academic VTA. It's probably about ten pages long, so I'm going to just try to.

8:06 Speaker 1: Truncate a little bit.

8:07 Speaker 4: So Doctor Abulow is a PhD. The Professor of Science at Harvard University. He is also the head of the Galileo Project. He is also the founding director of Harvard Black Hole Initiative. He's a contributor to Aero. He is also a trained astrophysicist. Let's see if we can get this right.

8:30 Speaker 7: Director of the it's very it's a two for theory and computation, and a former member of the President's Council on Science and Technology.

8:44 Speaker 1: So think about that.

8:45 Speaker 4: From Mentmory advising the President, former Chair of the Board of Physics and Astronomy of the National Academy and also author of eight books and over one thousand scientific papers. And he's here before you today. By the way, none of our panels are being paid. Everybody's doing this out of their own titness, in business of their own heart.

9:12 Speaker 1: The second panelists we have here is we're at only ten now your death.

9:17 Speaker 4: For those of you who certainly and the NADY know how hard it is to achieve the ring of Admiral, there is no easy fee. He's also a former acting Administrator by the National ocean of Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration AKAA. No other former oceanographer for the Navy, a advisory board menmber of the UAPD.

9:39 Speaker 1: Have folks here that are helping make this happen. But I'll tell you something else about ten. Tim also happened to be one of.

9:50 Speaker 4: The Navy officers that was suppresent and privy during the Roosevelt incidences. The Roosevelt is as y say, world, because there are many of these week the incidents that the USS Roosevelt encountered in the twenty thirteen twenty fourteen time frame when she was conducting military operations in the support of the war Terror.

10:13 Speaker 1: And so Adam Kay debt.

10:15 Speaker 4: I would consider indirectly awkitness to some degree of some of the dysfunction that the bureaucracy had overlaid on some of our servicemen and within.

10:25 Speaker 1: A uniform reporting up answer.

10:29 Speaker 4: Last, but not lease, is doctor Eric Davis, not only colleague, but a friend and in some cases the beneventor. He is a theoretical and applying physicist, senior science advisor at work Team, former researcher at the Aerospace Corporation.

10:47 Speaker 1: And now those are some of those.

10:49 Speaker 4: Let me tell you who he really is, doctor Eric Davis, who of our senior scientists during my tenure ated the Against Aerospace Threat Identification program and also as well he was one of our chief chief scientists. And by the way, he was also part of other legacy efforts before that, working with elements of the US governments.

11:10 Speaker 1: And I think what you're going to find him have to say today is going to be very, very impelled.

11:17 Speaker 4: He's an honorable man. He a service country time and time again. In some cases I had a great personal expense and professionally personally to himself and probably one of the smartest individuals I've ever had.

11:30 Speaker 1: Your aunor privilege to me in my life and work with.

11:34 Speaker 4: If you get a chance, I'd shake his hand because I would consider him like the rest of these gentlemen in National.

11:39 Speaker 1: Treasure, and I think, like I said, what he's going to tell you today is going to be very interesting.

11:48 Speaker 4: So this is why I need to remind your three minutes, because even myself, I would love to just let him move over about three hours. So with that said, I think we have a presentation. We're going to present first by as we mo So if we can just give you a quick random.

12:02 Speaker 8: Pause, thank you so much. It's a great leasure to be here. Let us be honest. There are objects in the sky that we don't understand. That's not the first time that we don't understand something. You know, our knowledge and to acknowledge is an island in an ocean of ignorance. We don't know what night with eighty five percent of matter in the universe is. We call it dark matter, but we invest billions of dollars figuring it out over the past half century.

12:43 Speaker 3: We haven't yet figured it out.

12:47 Speaker 8: My point is simple, we should invest a billion dollars in figuring out what is in our sky, and that means developing artificial intelligence algorithm software that would help us analyze data from state of the art sensors.

13:08 Speaker 3: And in one.

13:11 Speaker 8: Case, if all of these objects are produced by humans,

13:16 Speaker 8: the Defense Department will have a new tour to monitor was out there in the sky. It's important for national security. However, if one out of a million objects came from outside the solar system, the person who finds that object will get an OPEL price. It's a win win situation. We need to invest a billion dollars in this task, and I will mention a few datas of what we can do with it. This is a subject that the public cares a lot about, and so it's one of the unusual opportunities to invest the billion dollars in science and technology that will make all taxpayers happy.

14:06 Speaker 3: If you were to ask them, do they care more.

14:09 Speaker 8: About what dark matter is or whether we have a neighbor that is intelligent from which we can learn, they would tell you it's the second.

14:18 Speaker 3: Question that they want the billion dollars to be spent on. So to make taxpayers happy, let's invest the money. And if we.

14:26 Speaker 8: Don't find any technological critics from other civilizations, this would be a very precious defense system.

14:34 Speaker 3: For our country.

14:37 Speaker 8: So I will show a few slides describing what we have been doing over the past few years in the project that I'm needing at Harvard University, the Gallio Project.

14:47 Speaker 3: What you see in.

14:48 Speaker 8: The first Life is a title of an article that appeared in New York Times magazine, and I was not happy with the content.

14:59 Speaker 3: I contacted the.

15:00 Speaker 8: Editor and said, if this is the way you described science, how can I believe anything you say about politics?

15:13 Speaker 3: We could leave now.

15:18 Speaker 9: Now.

15:18 Speaker 8: And Rico Fermi nineteen fifty had lunch in Losladamos, and in his Italian accent, he asked, where is everybody?

15:28 Speaker 3: And that's a.

15:29 Speaker 8: Question that every lonely person asks. And what you tell a lonely person is don't be presumptuous. Your partner will don't come to you. You're not that attractive. You have to body dating size. And Rico Fermi didn't even build the telescope to look at didn't have cameras to.

15:46 Speaker 3: Check, and so saying where is everybody is argun.

15:56 Speaker 8: And many of my colleagues in academia, are you extraordinary?

16:00 Speaker 3: Planes required extraordinary evidence.

16:05 Speaker 8: If you read the moves, you would conclude that we are not extraordinary.

16:10 Speaker 3: There is room for improvement.

16:13 Speaker 8: And imagining something like us on a planet that has similar conditions to Earth. It's not an extraordinary claim. It's just an ordinary plane to say, under similar circumstances you will get life and eventually intelligent life. And most stars in the QA gotta see hundred billions of them formed billions of years before the Sun, so we are laid for the party they may have been before us. So it's an ordinary claim that requires ordinary evidence. When people make this statement, they also imply that we should not invest any funds in searching for them, and without seeking evidence, how can we find them.

16:55 Speaker 8: It's a self fulfilling prophecy. So my point is that in within the scientific community, innovation is suppressed by figure who assume the.

17:04 Speaker 3: Answer in advance.

17:07 Speaker 8: When I was a kid, I was most frustrated by the dogs in the room because I would ask them a question and they would pretend to know the answer. And the one reason I became a scientist is because I don't care what other people saying. I don't care how many likes I get. I just want to figure out the answer based on evidence. That's the way detective works. We shouldn't assume anything, but if we don't correct data, we will never find anything new. Now another important point is now scientific knowledge doesn't fall into our lab.

17:45 Speaker 3: To find the bigs poson.

17:47 Speaker 10: The CERN invested ten legal dollars in the large parcon crodder to find the first generation of stars and galaxies in the universe, the scientific version of the store worry the biblical story of the genesis, we had to invest tenally dolls in.

18:06 Speaker 8: The web by I was going about the b in the first advisor bill. That's the time, my boy, is you don't know my mind is something new.

18:21 Speaker 3: You need to invest these time and therefore.

18:26 Speaker 1: You can just sit on your.

18:27 Speaker 3: Share and figure I'll be honest the way most people do.

18:34 Speaker 3: And just give you an example.

18:37 Speaker 8: You you know, we are familiar with objects that have wasn't the mass we we are also aware of the baby knew us. It's not just expounding, but it's expansion is accelerating. So we see evidence rapt because us are and if we.

18:58 Speaker 3: Be as just as.

19:03 Speaker 9: If you can.

19:06 Speaker 8: The seal, this flow off unlike that and you wouldn't need that fuel. You would move in their arm. So the way we look at starship, our best rocket. Whoever has the access to a negative mass would would laugh at it. We are putting most of the mass in the fuel of the rocket. It's a huge, gigantic thing. And if they had access to a negative mass, that would not be necessary. You would just use the payload plus a negative masks that balances it. Just to give an example of something beyond our knowledge.

19:41 Speaker 8: If negative masses exist or not, we don't know if you can bottom this dark energy that fills.

19:47 Speaker 3: Up the universe.

19:56 Speaker 8: Now, they got a low project at Harvard University that was a stuff finished a few years ago. And then it followed the first report from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to Congress, and I suggested purse of the NaSTA just around.

20:14 Speaker 3: That time that they should look into that.

20:17 Speaker 8: This is a subject where the intelligence agency cannot really make a lot of progress.

20:23 Speaker 3: So because the data is.

20:24 Speaker 8: Limited, so why not built observatories monitoring the sky. The sky is not classified. Astronomers have been looking at the sky for a while, the oceans are not classified. We just need senforce and then analyzing the data with the state of the art AI software.

20:42 Speaker 3: That's all we need. So this was not happening, And you know, I'm sorry.

20:47 Speaker 8: I'm not happy with looking at past reports, because when you look at past reports, you have a.

20:53 Speaker 3: Very limited data and you can't make a lot of progress.

20:58 Speaker 8: If the data is fuzzy, you can't really get it to be crispier. But if you have a working observatory that monitors the sky all the time, all the oceans, and you see something unusual, you can try and collect better data.

21:12 Speaker 3: And therefore I always say the best is yet to come. If we were curious enough, and that's what we should be, we can collect data.

21:22 Speaker 8: Forget about the hundreds of revolts from the past and have a collection of millions of objects that we look at.

21:30 Speaker 3: That's what the Galileo project is about.

21:34 Speaker 8: And in the future we can get very good data with equipment that was never tried before. Because the stronomers usually focus on a small part of the sky and look at things that are far away, they ignore objects flying overhead. And the Galilea project has developed an observatory and Harvard University first that monitors the sky in the infrared, optical, radio, an audio, and as of now we are actually doing triangulation.

22:03 Speaker 3: We have multiple units that look.

22:06 Speaker 8: At the same object from different directions so that we can figure out the distance, the velocity acceleration of the object.

22:12 Speaker 3: That's extremely important.

22:15 Speaker 8: And we are building additional observatories, one in Pennsylvania, another one in Nevada.

22:22 Speaker 3: Hopefully by the end of the summer.

22:24 Speaker 8: We have three observatories collecting daya on a few million objects every year, and I say, even if one in a million is of extraterrestrial origin, that would be the biggest discovery that humanity ever made.

22:41 Speaker 3: It would mean that we have a partner.

22:44 Speaker 8: We shouldn't assume anything about the neighbor, but it would be useful to figure out what they are capable of, because we can do better. There are probably more advanced than we are. They reached our backyard before we slirbeck yard.

23:03 Speaker 8: So we collected data on many, by now millions of objects.

23:09 Speaker 3: We analyzed it and obviously we are happy to share.

23:15 Speaker 1: The data.

23:17 Speaker 3: With whoever is interested.

23:20 Speaker 8: But also over the past decade, the first objects from outside the Solar System were discovered for the first time by astronomers.

23:30 Speaker 3: There were three of them.

23:33 Speaker 8: The first was identified by US government satellites that are monitoring the Earth for any ballistic missiles being launched by alvasarian nations, and in twenty fourteen they noticed an object that collided with Earth and exploded with a fireball that released one percent of the Hiroshima atomic bomb energy, and they decided it's not human made and therefore it can be sheld with astronomy community. So NASA published a cartagog of all these meteors over the past decade.

24:11 Speaker 3: And one of them was this one.

24:13 Speaker 8: We looked at the catalog and uncovered it and realized that it came from outside the Solar System because it was moving very fast. It was moving faster than ninety five percent of the stars in the vicinity of the Sun outside the Solar system. So the question is was it a voyager like prob because it's moving so fast, or maybe just a rock from another star. That was the first one, and then the second one in twenty seventeen was a much bigger object.

24:46 Speaker 3: The first one was half a meter in size. The second one was the size of the football field. It didn't collide with Earth. It would have been.

24:53 Speaker 8: Catastrophic if it did, because it would have killed a storm. But it passed near Earth within a sixth of the Earth's Sun separation. It was observed by a telescope in Hawaiian monitoring Near Earth objects because we are all afraid of what happened to the dinosaurs, right, we don't want to have the same fate. And then they realized this object is moving too fast to be bound by rap into the sun and they called it one, which means a scout in the Hawaiian language. Now, this object at first was thought to be a comet, but there was no commentary table around it, no gas or dust.

25:38 Speaker 1: And then it.

25:39 Speaker 8: Exhibited an excess push away from the sun without any rocket effect of acting on it. And moreover it was it had a very extreme shape, most likely flat like in this based on the reflection of sunlight. The month of sunlight reflected from it changed by a factor of ten every eight hours. It was stumbling, very unusual object.

26:08 Speaker 8: So it wasn't clear it's.

26:09 Speaker 3: Not an asteroid, it's not a comment what is it? And I suggested, well.

26:15 Speaker 8: Maybe it's a space trash and an empty trash bag from another civilization.

26:21 Speaker 3: So that was twenty seventeen, and then oops, and then there was oops.

26:31 Speaker 8: True Okay, then there was a comment which looked just like the comments that we are familiar with in twenty nineteen Hourslow came from outside of subsiden based on its speed, and my colleagues said, well, this one looks familiar, so doesn't it convince you that the others are also natural? And I said, well, if you go down the street and you see a weird person and after that you see a normal person, it doesn't make the weird person normal.

27:03 Speaker 3: So was really strange? Most likely flat, and it's not clear what it was.

27:14 Speaker 8: I suggested, maybe it's a very thin object pushed by sunlight, reflecting sunlight, and in fact, a lot of technological debris that we produce is being pushed by reflecting sunlight. In fact,

27:35 Speaker 8: I'm not sure, okay. In fact, the space trash that we produce. On January second, twenty twenty five, just this year, an amateur stormer not this an object passing near Earth, and it was catalog as a near Earth asteroid.

27:54 Speaker 3: Seventeen hours later it was realized, oh, this object moves exactly.

27:58 Speaker 8: The same way as the Testler Holdster car that was lodged by spaces in twenty eighteen Plo mass. It is the it is a car, it's not an asteroid. That removed it from the catalog. And I actually had a bed with Elon. I am willing to put.

28:21 Speaker 3: One percent of my network against one percent of his network.

28:27 Speaker 8: To search to check if there is any other space entrepreneur who is more accomplished than he is since the Big Bang thirteen point eight billion years ago.

28:42 Speaker 3: Let's figure it out. It's not a lot of money for him.

28:47 Speaker 8: And then actually, in twenty twenty, there was the same telescope in Hawaii that discovered the world was discovered another object that was pushed by reflecting sunlight. And then after a few weeks astronomers realized, oh, that's a rocket booster from a nineteen sixty six launched by NASA.

29:07 Speaker 3: So we know that some of the objects that are unusual being pushed.

29:12 Speaker 8: By sunlight are human made. The question is who produced more and more. And my point is that the next Copernican revolution. Remember Copernicus realized we're not the physical center of the universe. I actually visited Poland a year ago, a day after visiting the Munich Security conference, where I spoke as the first most physicist that ever.

29:46 Speaker 3: By the way, I saw on the roof of the hotel that.

29:49 Speaker 8: The Munich security contments there were snipers with the black head covers. They were there to protect the politicians. I realized being an ask for physicist is really very fortunately but nobody wants to kill me. But at an event,

30:09 Speaker 8: the next Popernican revolution is that we are not at the technological center of the universe. We have something to learn from a smarter kid on our cosmic blog, and I wrote a paper a couple of months ago where I explained that with the space telescope we can actually go through the minium objects roughly meter in size within the orbit of the other around the Sun that came from outside the Solar system and figure out whether among them, among all the rocks, there is space trash from other civilizations because over the past billions of years they predated us, and they polluted in the star space.

30:53 Speaker 8: Because we sent out five pros Voyager, one Voyager, two Pioneer, ten Pioneer, eleven new horizons, they are heading out of the places and towards in the stellar space. We did it over fifty years, just in how many more we will produce in the next billion years, and all of that keeps accumulating.

31:14 Speaker 3: Like plastics in the ocean, all of this trash.

31:18 Speaker 8: Produced by other civilizations, and we just have to look in our backyard and figure it out.

31:24 Speaker 3: Again, a billion dollars can go a long way in.

31:27 Speaker 8: This direction, but right now this subject is outside the mainstream of astronomy. Instead, the highest priority defined by the Decable Survey is to spend them more than ten billion dollars in the search for microbes, for the molecular figuring mites of microbes in the atmospheres of exoplanets.

31:50 Speaker 3: And frankly, I am much.

31:52 Speaker 8: More excited about finding intelligence than finding microbes for a simple reason that we can learn from a higher level of intelligence. One reason I seek intelligence in interstellar space is because I don't often.

32:07 Speaker 3: Find it here or never. And you may ask, whereas.

32:14 Speaker 8: Wiring voyager being in a billion years, it will be on the opposite side of the milkiwag gards. So if most stars formed billause of years before the Sun, lynda for a fact, they had I mean, the were civilizations like us out there. They had plenty of time for their spacecraft regions, and we had a really checked. Until the last decade, we didn't really know about interstellar objects.

32:43 Speaker 3: So I'm saying this is new now.

32:45 Speaker 8: The meteor, the object that collided with Earth, was interesting because for a cost of one and a half million dollars that I received from the donor, we were able to go to the Pacific Ocean and search for materials left from this indostem object. It exploded only twenty kilometers above the service of the ocean, and then that implied that it had material strength tougher than all other hundreds of meteors in the NASA cantalope. So it was unusual in its material strength, in its speed, and the question was could it be a voyager like.

33:24 Speaker 3: Meteor?

33:25 Speaker 11: Could it be?

33:26 Speaker 8: And Tesla wants the car like meteor because that car actually really collided with Earth probably.

33:33 Speaker 3: In several at tens of millions.

33:34 Speaker 8: Peers and my colleagues if they are, if there are any instrumers at that time, they might argue, it's a rock of retirement we've never seen before.

33:46 Speaker 3: So actually, the US Space Command looked back at the.

33:49 Speaker 8: Data after I reached them through the White House, and then they confirmed, yes, this meteor actually.

33:59 Speaker 3: Came from outside the Solar System.

34:01 Speaker 8: The data was reliable, and they also released the lacter of the explosion that indicated how much energy was released at what altitude was the explosion, And so I decided to lead an expedition to the Pacific Ocean.

34:20 Speaker 3: We went there.

34:22 Speaker 8: Slightly less than two years ago, and what you see here is the deck of the ship that was fittingly.

34:30 Speaker 3: Called Silver Star. We built a sled with.

34:34 Speaker 8: Magnets on both sides, and we placed it on the ocean floor, which was a mile deep, and we surveyed the region that is seven miles in size, looking for any more than droplets left over from the explosion, just to figure out.

34:49 Speaker 3: Was it a natural rock or maybe a gadget.

34:55 Speaker 8: And I thought my students before I left it, if we find a gudget, it has buttons on it, should I press the button?

35:04 Speaker 3: The opinions were split.

35:06 Speaker 8: Half of the class said, please don't do that. He put all of all of us in the risk, and the other half said, please do. We would like to see if it's charged BD one hundred. So we brought back materials and it was a two week expedition. I put this all the materials in this black suitcase and shipped them and shipped it by felax to my home and then brought it to the laboratory of my colleague at the Howard Stein Jabosone, who has is a world renowned geochemist that has the best instruments in the world.

35:48 Speaker 8: And on the other side of me in this photo is the summer intern Sophie Barre's room, who worked with me that summer, and she discovered eight hundred and fifty more than droplet within the materials that we brought back, and I gave her the homory title the spherml Hunter.

36:09 Speaker 3: And you can see here what these more than droplets were like.

36:12 Speaker 8: They were very distinct relative to the background sand, and we picked them up with twizzlers and published the results. And so there was one type of those mountain droplets, about ten percent of the entire reservoir that looked very unusual. They had a composition, a chemical composition that was very different than solar system materials, up to a thousand times higher abundance of beryllium lantern.

36:40 Speaker 1: In uran.

36:42 Speaker 3: Than you find in solar system materials.

36:46 Speaker 8: And so that's a possible indication that we found some material from the original loger.

36:52 Speaker 3: But we want to go back.

36:55 Speaker 8: And search for bigger pieces with a robbot that we will put on the open floor wills six and a half million dollars.

37:01 Speaker 3: We don't have the fund the rest of yet. If anyone is interested in joining us, to let me know.

37:07 Speaker 8: This is an image from the last day of the previous expedition where I was standing on the ship looking at the sunset. Next to me is an eighty eight years old Art had Art right, who was commander of a destroyer during the Vietnam War, and I really liked him because he wouldn't speak much. He would solve problems and everything he said was true. And there aren't many people like that these days. What you find most often are people that are virtue signal day that are trying to impress you. That's partly the culture of social media.

37:51 Speaker 8: But this mission was a success thanks to Art, and he reminded.

37:58 Speaker 1: Me of my father.

37:59 Speaker 3: I really liked him.

38:02 Speaker 8: Now this year, this in August twenty twenty five, there is a new observatory in Chile that was funded by the Department of Energy and the National Science Foundation. It's called the Vera Sea will be observatory and it will serve in the southern sky every four nights and could find on one one like objects every few months if they are out there, and.

38:29 Speaker 3: Now we know to look at them in much greater detail.

38:33 Speaker 8: We can use the web telescope to do that, and this teles called we'll use a camera that is.

38:41 Speaker 3: Three point two gaping pixels in resolutions, so.

38:44 Speaker 8: A thousand times more than the number of resolution elements you have in your cell phone. So I'm very excited about the coming year or two. We will have more results from the observatories, the tact level project. His belief, we will have potentially a new expedition where we can look for bigger business of this first indust or meteor and the ruby on secatory might find more one ye objects. But if we really want to make fast progress, we need more funds. If I had a hundred billion dollars or a billion dollars, I know exactly what needs to be done and we can make We can get much better understanding of our cosmic neighborhood.

39:28 Speaker 8: As I said before, the software that we developed would be of great use to the Department of Defense.

39:37 Speaker 12: Thank you, by GAD, I would like to shake a couple of words, and we're gonna try to make this breach so we can go ahead and start get into some of the questions.

39:55 Speaker 1: Sir, Thank you very much.

39:58 Speaker 9: It's great to be here and represented of Luna and Rold Willis and which at appreciate you given us all in opportunity to share what we want to share and stay we want to say.

40:08 Speaker 1: About this important topic of UAP.

40:11 Speaker 9: So I'll be about five minutes here into the list, But today I follow on the American scientific enterprise to mainstream UAP research and development, and to do that a population first begin by assessing the current.

40:22 Speaker 3: State of UAP research.

40:24 Speaker 13: There are a few brave individuals and organizations conducting.

40:27 Speaker 9: Such research, including professor below through the Galileo Project of partner Professor Diana Silga and u n CW doctors Gary Nolan and Peter Scaifish the Sole Foundation, with Stanford University doctor Professor Jacky cry Fall with the Artifact of the Impossible Writing University of the Scientific Coalition of UAP Studies. But these are by far the exception for UAP research and scientific studies shot by the American science community real large. Even with dozens of credible former military witnesses coming forward as well as legislative action from Congress in recent years, the stigmamber means too great to jeopardize the reputation, promotion, potential.

41:07 Speaker 13: And tenure of those in academia.

41:10 Speaker 9: To better understand this resistance, it might be useful for me to describe the state of climate and science in this country where the complete opposite is occurring. As a former administrator of the National Chuanico Atmosphere Administration with a PhD in oceanography, I have studied the changes occurring in our earth system, and while they are Indein's significated, I by no means a climate denier. Climate change is far from the existential thread the mainstream media and some and science community claimant to be.

41:37 Speaker 13: A false narrative has been propagated.

41:38 Speaker 9: The global warming cause by anthrogenic greenhouse gases is the cause of every severe weather event on any given day. This is mainly resolve of a large number of scientific studies that employ extreme and applausible difference in areas. Lacking the expertise to critically evaluate such studies, the Avere system is readily accepted. Such misinformation, conflating every extreme weather event the climate change is size incomplete and incorrect. The most examples come around every hurricane season, for which satellite data over the fifty years shows have been no trend upward or downward of these storms.

42:11 Speaker 9: The same goes for wildfires, where huge coverage always link to climate change for their occurrence, but wildfire has actually been increasing in this country.

42:20 Speaker 14: So even the inter Governmental.

42:21 Speaker 9: Panel on Climate Change has been unable to conclusively detect changes in extreme weather and climate.

42:25 Speaker 1: Event frequency and intensity.

42:27 Speaker 14: However, saying that we are not in fact in a climate.

42:30 Speaker 9: Crisis has hair received the mainstream media in the global science community.

42:35 Speaker 15: This is a.

42:36 Speaker 13: Situation with UAP, but in reverse.

42:39 Speaker 9: Ample evidence even congressional testimony attest to the scientific validity of UAP, but the response by members of the scientific community has.

42:47 Speaker 14: Been either a to bury their heads in the sand.

42:50 Speaker 9: Or b to make baseless mockery of the courageous contrarians line Professor Lowe.

42:55 Speaker 1: Who seek the truth. Why is it sod well? The reason is.

43:00 Speaker 9: Partially due to overclassification and a deliberate decades long disinformation campaign by the US Department of Defense and intelligence community. Unlike climate change, UAP and a non human intelligence which control them very.

43:14 Speaker 1: Well could be an existential threat.

43:16 Speaker 9: As our moderator Louel Aisando who eloquently described in his book aptly named Imminet, the scientific community needs to wake up to the raality of UP, which represents the most monument development since the concurrent in Revolution.

43:29 Speaker 14: Consider the extraordinary report.

43:31 Speaker 9: I received this weekend when a former US Navy Sage sixty helicopter Krushe, who was embarked on the interior USS Dwight D.

43:41 Speaker 14: Eisenhower in twenty twenty one, described to me his reporting on poorlooking infrared video.

43:47 Speaker 9: Of a metallic sphere at an altitude a few hundred feet above the stift, traveling along a linear trajectory horizontal DIZ service before accelerated into the horizon, and incredible speed. This varied completely upon landing. He discussed this with some of the pilots and the other air group before transferring the flur footage to the carrier's intelligence officer. Moreover, this was not an isolated event for the Eisenhewer story group during that deployment saw many many instances of UAP.

44:19 Speaker 14: Primarily fateens, frequently encountering.

44:22 Speaker 9: Them at high altitude, and this topic was widely discussed by the air wing during the entire deployment, and later fellow air crew members of this scrucie from another squadron deployed on.

44:37 Speaker 1: Board the USS Gerald R Ford and shared similar experiences.

44:42 Speaker 9: The crewchie also informed that the secret laptops in their reading room provided access to a share drive where numerous strict be signings.

44:49 Speaker 3: On flair were archived.

44:51 Speaker 9: They stored these videos on fuller named range Fowlers.

44:55 Speaker 3: He liked the Bryan.

44:58 Speaker 13: And his commanding officer and save.

45:00 Speaker 9: Yeah, sir, we're aware of these is, but there was an unspoken understanding not to discuss them openly in the ready room. I've spoken to others state there's still in active duty, and their citing as UNP have become so numerous that they already sensitized to the phenomenon. My point being that the Navy possesses a trope of video evidence and data regarding UAP, and I see no reason why flour footage of UAP and Navy training ranges cannot be classified and shared the scientific community.

45:26 Speaker 13: With open access to more data like this, we.

45:28 Speaker 14: Can transform every institution of higher education.

45:32 Speaker 9: By establishing a Galileo project within their astronomy and as for physics departments, a sole foundation within their biomedicine humanities programs and archived with the Impossible and their religious studies.

45:42 Speaker 3: And philosophy curricula.

45:44 Speaker 9: To close, I point out that last month at the Endless Frontiers conference in Austin, the President Science Advisor Michael Prasio's committed the Trump administration to creating a Golden Age and American innovation. I am convinced that UAP research cannot only support this, but accelerated in ways beyond our imagination. The time to destroy the stigma associated with UAP is now. I asked House Oversight Committee and other members of Progress to demand the d O, d O, d DHS and NASA at least more UAP data for open science.

46:18 Speaker 3: Like all in the White House to include u.

46:19 Speaker 14: AP research is twenty twenty five r D Priorities memo.

46:24 Speaker 1: Thank you all, Thanks very much. I work.

46:31 Speaker 5: I will.

46:35 Speaker 4: Go to get to our first question here and it is not scripted, and it is to my former colleague, doctor Eric Takes.

46:47 Speaker 1: I know you heard care how I ask a specific question. Well, mister Golden, good to see you. As always, it's not going doctor Davis. I I know your background and I know your work, UH in our former.

47:04 Speaker 4: Program they based airspace threat an edification program. I also known to some degree some the history and first hand experience you have in UAP. I believe that this committee, UH and the student member of Congress and the American public would love to hear to the degree you're able.

47:24 Speaker 1: To discuss it. That direct access you had. For those who don't know, doctor Davis was and I'll let him an answer.

47:32 Speaker 3: This was it was submitted into into into the.

47:35 Speaker 4: Matter of record for Congress a couple of years ago. The Melissa Davis know uh, it was alleged that he was the author of it. And if you don't know what that is, I encourage you to look it up. And as Pidton entered as a matter of color record in the congressional record, and is exchange significant.

47:55 Speaker 1: This is the man I don't say he did or he did about that.

47:59 Speaker 4: Hidn't tell you the author that potentially and furthermore, I now has had an involvement in the UA program specifically from a crash with people perspective now, maybe mindful.

48:11 Speaker 1: Here doc das bb air flows for security classification.

48:14 Speaker 4: But you might share to be re or comfortable with your involvement with information with any depressed reprovals and.

48:23 Speaker 1: And your serious another good quote, and I've been I'm an astro businessist. And also maybe what we would Mark do on sit now said Nico. We bring through propulsion businesses.

48:39 Speaker 5: We want to bring in propulsion together from nineteen ninety sixty two thousand and two, and then we continued after that to develop a book that we publishing. It had definitely impress in two thousand and nine Branchers of Propulsion science. So my background is in advanced the space interstellar space flight, mostly a Bastard might.

48:56 Speaker 1: Compulsion or the use of generativity.

48:58 Speaker 5: They're a quantum builder as well as advanced up were propulsionally were fission and new Weir fusion and the Inner Chief propulsion, which I worked on as a principal investigator for the Air Force Research Labuage of words AIRCO Space.

49:11 Speaker 1: So I've got client round background and I began I've worked in starting to win Humanity six Robert bigele Hire being worker in as.

49:21 Speaker 5: His director g of Space Physics and Astrophysics at the National Institute for Discovery Science. And that was a that was a pretty transformative job for you because as a physical science as I'm seeing for the first time live phenomenal I'm investigating and using forensic science techniques in the field, interviewing what was collecting data.

49:41 Speaker 1: And I had my team of colleagues on the staff that I went Fossil PhD.

49:47 Speaker 5: And we had a little lot of Science Advisory Board, which my Horner boss in Austin helped was on. Was on the board of it was on that Science Avisory board. It was the last chairman of that board.

49:59 Speaker 1: Actually.

50:00 Speaker 5: We also had follow fourteen astronaut Adventure one for a short time follow seventeen year espernant Jack Schmidt, and we.

50:08 Speaker 1: Had many.

50:10 Speaker 5: Academicians and former CIA national intelligence officers, social psychologists, psychologists, medical doctors and nuclear engineers and the list goes on.

50:23 Speaker 3: We had chocolding.

50:24 Speaker 1: Primarily as well.

50:26 Speaker 5: So it was a really transformative because I grew up in the sixties and seventies and I became really with Carl Sagan.

50:34 Speaker 1: Carl Sagan and a strongly.

50:36 Speaker 5: Important page Colanthory a book called UFOs and Scientific Debate which was published.

50:41 Speaker 1: By the Triple As Press.

50:44 Speaker 5: The Triple As is the American Association for the Investment of Science and Science is their prestigious children that they published, and so that was a precision publication. Every chapter was authored by experts in the field in academia. We have studied webfos and some ang London. From a scientific data standpoint, data that was collected, data that was analyzed, and so they presented it in published able for a desire reason. In nineteen days, Carl Sagan had this wonderful stronomy show called Cosmos and the companion book for that.

51:19 Speaker 1: And once I minded that he changed one.

51:23 Speaker 5: Hundred and eighty degrees, he all of a sudden went from being UFOs.

51:27 Speaker 1: We have in this book that I coodered, are co edited with Thornton.

51:31 Speaker 5: Page all of this wonderful data that's been collected that's not explainable due to conventional astronomical weather for benning explanations or events or object I'm now calling it pseudoscience. It's French science. People are mistaken. Pilots have port vision. Military pilots especially and I've heard that from Leonard David, who's aerospace engineering aviation s based exploration writer, and people like here have said that our military pilots, especially the wings at the US students during its accountants of the TikTok you be back in two thousand war.

52:11 Speaker 5: Oh, yes, those pilots have poor vision. They're flying what twenty million dollars fighter aircraft?

52:20 Speaker 11: They have poor vision?

52:21 Speaker 5: How did they get through the naval aviation program and in school and port vision? Doctor James to you could you will every lit on your again to the degree inter County.

52:32 Speaker 8: Oh.

52:33 Speaker 5: So it was a transformative issue for me or for a job. It transformed my world view. It opened up my worldview to a lot more possibilities in what I was used to thinking as a trained PhD physicist. I earned my dog who angst for physics at the University of Theresia any and so I worked on through space missions in graduate school. I ask which is the U Great Astronoumal satellite program and two way tradmissions to GATI.

53:02 Speaker 1: So is pretinuing to the topic that lou was been talking about. I'm not trying to way up there and this is a sensitive subject.

53:13 Speaker 5: So it's due to astronaut Ed Minchell, doctor Ed Minchell, captain US and retired because of him, and I won't go into a long story, but.

53:22 Speaker 1: It's because of him that I got on the trail looking for the so called.

53:28 Speaker 5: Legend within the UFO community of the retrieval of craft or landed UAP craft or ento craft has any known back in those days, and by the way UAP the term and identified aero phenomenon goes back to the nineteen forties.

53:41 Speaker 1: Even so.

53:44 Speaker 5: I followed this trail and I ended up over the course of the following two and a half decades working for Big Level, working for the Air Force Research Lab, working for help and offer er Tech International, Incorporated, and then working at the Eurospace Corporation.

54:02 Speaker 1: So we're working in a.

54:04 Speaker 5: Combination of the industry and classified programs that we were contracted to do. I'm back for the Defense Intelligence Agency and for the Pentagon agencies that Low worked out, and the UAP task force that chased Ratton led at the opposite of naval intelligence. And so a long story short is that I came into contact.

54:27 Speaker 1: With industry leads technical scientists, both active duty.

54:32 Speaker 5: And later retired as both intelligence officers, generals, animals, kernels, people who directed intelligence or human intelligence collection and analysis, directors of the DIA and the Central Intelligence Agency who reached out to me to have me do some foreign UAP intelligence analysism and assessment. And so I had been exposed to so much of the classified grow that I can tell you definitively that.

55:00 Speaker 1: There is and they're there the human race.

55:04 Speaker 5: Basically, the world biggest governments like the United States, our adversary to China and Russias as far as I know, have had the occasion to recover craft that of either lander or crash from vote in their territory or even outside of their territories, and have taken those back to the most sensitive programs that they've ever had.

55:27 Speaker 1: These programs are even more sensitive and.

55:30 Speaker 5: More hidden than men had products or or the modern good women's industry and the US military and the Department of Energy programs to maintain and upgrade and and modernize or new glue women's arsenal.

55:44 Speaker 1: And so this is one of the This is one of the most well hidden programs. It is hidden from progressional.

55:50 Speaker 5: Oversight and always hasn't been and it was hidden by the action of the President Eisenhower, who instituted Presidential Emergency Action Directives during his administration. These directors are not sharing in Congress. They were classified and when the Freedom and Information Act was instituted in the seventies, and it's not subjectives are not subjective to the Freedom and.

56:11 Speaker 1: Information Act request.

56:14 Speaker 5: These directives provide cover for actions that are associated with the with the retrieval of these vehicles and the and the scientific and engineering study of them, and that takes place within the industry. What happens is the Department of defense offices CIA offices, they create showing companies. They give a soul source contract to the show company, who pass the money to a selected group of defense industry firms, and those firms will take that contract money and turn them around.

56:48 Speaker 1: And I use that as internal fanies all internal.

56:52 Speaker 5: Research and development class which they give to their own people in cider come to their own ways to do the ververs engineering. And this is the study of these recovered feelings. And so this weighs all congressional oversight. It voted the game maybe, and it's one of the most techniques use to hide it. And as far as I know, only went the worst star in general and one did three start out of the rap will locate these programs and and.

57:20 Speaker 1: That's about as much as I can say.

57:21 Speaker 5: They located the programs, uh and they uncovered them, went and got a lot of resistance, same hostile reception and was told that he found who he was looking when they were they were suspected being yesterday were a E went b e ap plat pass agree in reverse the gay program. The other one I had a lot more political power behind him because of his staff. He was a four star general and he was able to get into the program and use his authority and his access.

57:51 Speaker 1: I think they call that a super user.

57:55 Speaker 5: The super user have access to all her specialized of access programs. So he had his capability deal with and at that moment I was fortunate to meet Dave Bresh at the host of Jay Stratton. Dave was a row of liaison officer to the wap cast force and Dave was working for his boss.

58:13 Speaker 1: At the row which was situated in the second course.

58:17 Speaker 5: Gifts Eurospace Corporation building called around of Springs, and I was assigned to work at the euro Space Corporation facility in Housville on the Mantlet because I was supporting assets based in very promotion from man office. So Ja, Dave and Dave's boss and I'm together and I briefed them for two and a half days just a week before could instruct and Gaine took all of my classified and proprietary information at all the investigations I did and it's a nbrow and working for helping up attempt and he took that data and around with it.

58:50 Speaker 5: And what you now know the actor manilted that is he has classified whistle world and coming to.

58:56 Speaker 1: The ig of the IC and there is an area there.

59:01 Speaker 5: We have had this program going on and various guys as various code names. The code names changed roughly every three years. They often shipped around to the major office and programmatic new organizations were Presidential administration, presidential administration.

59:17 Speaker 1: And maybe every five to ten years in some days. And so these things are very old.

59:22 Speaker 5: I've been coming they buy, but they're still around. And the gnomenty that's been involved, I would say since the beginning of nineteen twenty four, with the first recovery of Tony of a US Arms recovery of the craft that crashed in Italy back in nineteen thirty three in the United States already even in bad in Italy and pushed the third right out.

59:42 Speaker 1: They were able to recover that craft and bring them back to right Arefael and all of.

59:46 Speaker 5: The crash refreedels that are taking place generally on why have gone to right airfield. The majority of the crash refreedels or recoveries of whatever situation was take place in the maritime or whatever, and I'm not sure where that is going on. Probably also wondered what were in those days wright infield. I don't know whether it's being today though, because I've only worked on the legacy history of this apartment up until about the early twenty ten and it was since the end of the odd style and the A tip.

1:00:15 Speaker 1: I don't know where that those operations are for in ear these days. So I think that's about it. A little.

1:00:27 Speaker 5: Acquires the question I'm always asked, and I'll just say this, eployees less King and rock women, they'll ask me this. For an interview I gave them in July and twenty twenty or minew York Times our game that they published, they interviewed Blue and Senate former Senate.

1:00:43 Speaker 1: Majority or Harry Reid. I think Harry was already retired day, wasn't he? Yeah?

1:00:48 Speaker 5: Okay, so I said, basically, my interface with the leadership in the industry, which were a number of individuals, is the bottle they're proud that have been recovered. Are not serve, They're not made by human jeers.

1:01:02 Speaker 1: They are not from this planet. They're human. They are. And amy and technology whatever the word means, are the extra trust room. We don't know. We don't know what bots do they have.

1:01:14 Speaker 5: Well, we need anthropologists and social psychologists and glossters to figure that out and they haven't communicated that to us. Yeah, so this is like meeting and I they we cannot answer questions like motive. We just need to take data we call adventurements and signals, intelligence and the intelligence distr And obvi, I see one thousand or said, because we need him to do what he needs to do.

1:01:36 Speaker 1: UAPx is another group up from the University of Vomiting and you all even work they're doing that as well.

1:01:42 Speaker 5: And there are other groups out there building up their own sensors view to try and scam this guide full time twenty four sudden to look or something outside and definitely not.

1:01:52 Speaker 13: Whether they're definitely not in aircraft, definitely not.

1:01:54 Speaker 1: How the kids love quite hockey? Well, thank you got for David.

1:02:00 Speaker 4: Is my recommendation with you at some point here if you get to the classified setting US and the rest of us had you'd already done that before, and have a friend of conversation with some of the representatives who I think would be very interested to hear the other part of the conversations I'm aware I have been part of.

1:02:19 Speaker 16: With that said, before we go on to than real quick Repnick for sorry, okay forgetting me Baggage Rep.

1:02:31 Speaker 4: Nick Baggage, who arrived here just about too long ago. So thank you for very much from Alabama from.

1:02:38 Speaker 17: Ask so my home, says Monsus Lancy instead of whoever this looking, so.

1:02:53 Speaker 1: Thank you sir for being here, as also.

1:02:55 Speaker 18: AC industry, as far as the National Westman who direct this to Adam Dat. So only a few three percent of the seed form has been matched.

1:03:08 Speaker 1: In high resolution.

1:03:09 Speaker 18: In fact, somehow stimulated that we have no even what about the service of our own moon than the depths of our nootious one of a concrete mapping him paints autonomous who lies deep c sumars or kumber observatories with researchers the best chance of detecting under se UAP activity.

1:03:32 Speaker 4: Up to this point we've been discussing about the stuff we've seen in our skies and possibly space, But the one thing we've neglected are those observations of UAP that are under water. And this kind of goes to the whole trained medium and characteristic that we're seeing that some of the CHAP can display. Particularly as a former baby man and member of Noah, what what advice could you offer there?

1:04:00 Speaker 9: So that's a great question, and in fact I would advise us to continue what we started in Trump's first administration.

1:04:06 Speaker 1: And what we did is we got him to sign.

1:04:08 Speaker 9: The President and Financial Memorandum on Mapping the US Aclusive Economic Zone, and that directed the establishment of a strategy of plan, the National Strategy, a plan and a council and ears council to contribute to the effort. And so in the we did this in twenty twenty and in the five years since, we've been able to go from having forty percent of our easy map to fifty percent. And it involves not only using shift from sonar, but also exploring a water column with deep diving remote they operated vehicles, swarms of drums.

1:04:40 Speaker 9: Underwater drones eased to one hundred and twenty in the Navy, and that fleet's growing, and Noah has a pretty sizable fleet of underwater and surface drones, and they partner with the private sector and that has a bast capability as well. So I'd say, we really want to expand the work that's already occurring with then the government and the private sector and target it because.

1:05:03 Speaker 14: Most of it is targeted towards ocean science, and that's great, but if.

1:05:06 Speaker 1: We open the aperture a bit and include UAP as.

1:05:09 Speaker 3: A research target. I think we'll learn a.

1:05:11 Speaker 13: Lot more about the phenomena as well as the ooshan.

1:05:16 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. The next question we have is is here towards doctor I love here and my.

1:05:24 Speaker 4: Question for you, sir, is what is your recommendation for the new generation of scientists who want to enter into this field of study? But I don't know exactly where to begin.

1:05:38 Speaker 8: Yes, I actually gave up with the senior members of our community where I have the brave bull the generation of approach. You do not getny bias people's sciences, all of all the eavy vents and curiosity and west.

1:05:54 Speaker 3: That when we become the bas in the rooms, so we'll be gotten. And in fact, I was asked to establish at a low.

1:06:02 Speaker 19: Servatory stem cell cannabis that we'll be built in Indiana, and I'm very excited about that because those high high school students.

1:06:12 Speaker 3: And pleasuring scientists would be unbiased.

1:06:18 Speaker 8: They would look at the data and try to figure it out. That's the way science would be done. And very often if you assume something, if you say there is nothing out there and you are not looking that, obviously, that's a self fulfilling prophecy. So I very much hope that the young generation will approached the subjects without any speak about, without any prejudice, without any biased because it's of great interest to national security, and even if it has nothing to do with what lies outside the solar system.

1:06:50 Speaker 3: We need to figure it out. Maybe other nations have technologies that we are not aware of, and if we do find something from outside the solar system, it's the biggest discovery ever made in science. It will change our perception and our place. In the university. I had a big proof of religious people that came and then they.

1:07:19 Speaker 8: Belong to Christianity today an organization, and they asked me what could be the implications to religion, and I said, well, I have two daughters, and when the second one was born, I didn't lose any of my love and the first one. So imagine that God can only attend to one. Civilization is very limited, and I think, in fact, you know, it would be enriching to realize that we have similies. We might be jealous if they're more advanced than we are, maybe they get more attention, but.

1:07:51 Speaker 3: You know, that's exciting. We may get the inspiration from finding something better than us.

1:07:57 Speaker 8: So why is it that academia the mainstream is shining away from this partly because.

1:08:03 Speaker 3: That probably cares so much about it.

1:08:07 Speaker 8: And you know, there are lots of statements that are not correct being made by people who have no evidence.

1:08:14 Speaker 3: But that would not be the reason to avoid this subject.

1:08:18 Speaker 8: We should study the young people, I think have the ability to figure it out.

1:08:25 Speaker 3: If we have the resources. I don't give you to the research we figure it out.

1:08:29 Speaker 11: We have that with men.

1:08:30 Speaker 3: It's much more exciting than figuring out what dark matter is.

1:08:35 Speaker 8: Whether there are microbes on extra planets, which probably exists in any warm water environment similar to the Earth.

1:08:43 Speaker 3: I'm willing to bet that our micropes, but that don't cares much about that.

1:08:49 Speaker 8: I really want to find things that are better than us so that we can get better. We can improve ourselves, and the young generation of do it for us if we want. Are located the respourses, if we don't block them because they are gate keepers, you know, use this technique of not funding such research, ridiculing it. And even when I went on the expedition, people said, oh, he would not find anything, Oh he went to the wrong place. We don't believe the best government data from the biggest space command.

1:09:24 Speaker 8: And my suggestion is just to ignore the Nazers because they are going.

1:09:36 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, level more industry.

1:09:42 Speaker 4: Quite one of represents a very short of Character's a question we want to ask her in her questions question, was your doctor dings or gings? We have discussion at length in certain settings in the form of additional seventy department or we're talking about its material.

1:09:58 Speaker 1: I think it might be very harpful.

1:10:00 Speaker 4: You can please explain what is what makes exotic material that has been recovered from the US governments exotic?

1:10:10 Speaker 5: What makes it different from atomic lee and cub It's actually.

1:10:16 Speaker 1: Very simple answer. It's the way as fabricated. It's the way as fabricated. That's what makes it anxiety.

1:10:21 Speaker 5: It's not a new element that's never been discovered and placed on the periodic table.

1:10:27 Speaker 1: Elements one of them. The materials are in the periodic tables.

1:10:31 Speaker 5: There are either radio activising jobs that we already know, or they're any gather or non redu out none denied albums on the table.

1:10:39 Speaker 1: It's just the combination of the materials as unusual.

1:10:43 Speaker 20: Uh.

1:10:43 Speaker 1: It could be that you could say that that's exotic.

1:10:46 Speaker 5: But it's the composition is how you build the crowd, the materials that form the ground.

1:10:52 Speaker 1: And everything inside the crowd.

1:10:53 Speaker 5: It's it's quite exotic because one of the companies leadership was a young.

1:10:59 Speaker 1: Material site is when he graduated with his doctorate in journal.

1:11:02 Speaker 5: Science from one of the university one of the universities in Ilumois back in nineteen seventy and he was hired by being.

1:11:10 Speaker 1: Rich when work with him a team that scopelooks that was.

1:11:13 Speaker 5: The advanced prost aged developing agency I think is what blocking aircraft we called it back in those days.

1:11:20 Speaker 1: So basically this is what he was telling me.

1:11:25 Speaker 5: He's an advanced in journal scientist and he said, well, we didn't use the best diagnostic equipment we had back in those days, which was the sixties, seventies, eighties, and nineties, and we could see the elements through mask maskatroscopy that compose the structure, but when we look at how they're composed in structure, it's like nothing we've been able to backlicate it or we've never been able to reproduce over and we had no extrapolated engineering or physics technology.

1:11:59 Speaker 1: To tell us informans.

1:12:00 Speaker 5: I am how can possibly want not that with the disorder, so they they understood that it's a combination of the elements.

1:12:07 Speaker 1: Was very unusual.

1:12:09 Speaker 5: Uh, it was count intuitive, but it's the way the materials are fabricated.

1:12:13 Speaker 1: That's what basic as. Thanks, thanks you very much, sir. Next question is gonna go.

1:12:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, so thank you for you guys for coming today. I have to get going, but I am charging for a listen and er chet.

1:12:27 Speaker 21: To be here and continue on while I am not here, I will say that I mean the stuff that you guys evolved told us today by Lewis, and I.

1:12:38 Speaker 3: Think you know going on record is even more important.

1:12:40 Speaker 21: So you're gonna invite you back to all FEO types of At some point, I've got to head up.

1:12:45 Speaker 1: And thank you so much for your time, for your step and we'll be about that. Thank you, thank you.

1:12:55 Speaker 22: Okay, So the next question is going to to Uh, I haven't got you now, I've got a lot. Almost two questions were obviously I'm going to get to them all. We have to try to stay out the tracks. Was probably gonna be my last question for this and maybe.

1:13:05 Speaker 1: Go on all day when we've got two other handles. We got to get it through and there's going to be some new information for you.

1:13:12 Speaker 4: Last question, where the brain had a guy you meet, I know that you were pretty to the incidents in regarding the USS and Roosevelts. In fact, there's another distinguished guests we have with us here today.

1:13:24 Speaker 16: Ryan Graves, whom was a pilot who has been very helpful in forming Congress about some.

1:13:29 Speaker 1: Of the air safety issues because he himself is utcome of the clubs and personal with one of these objects, whatever they are.

1:13:36 Speaker 23: Could you please provide a re synopsis on your experience and more important and what was the reaction by certain elements within the Department of Defense and some of your frustration that you experienced regarding that reporting.

1:13:50 Speaker 1: That's how the report is.

1:13:52 Speaker 13: Thanks living, Yes, I'd be glad to say this. At the time of the Roosevelt UAP sidings.

1:13:57 Speaker 1: I was one stone animals are like gold and da the.

1:13:59 Speaker 9: Year alotno sharkers, and I had Aeronover's mats on the ship doing the weather forecast, and as the chief neurologist the Navy, my responsibility was safety applied one of my main resplexibilities. And at the time I received an email on the Navy's Classifying System sever system, and it was addressed to every subordinate under a command called Plea Forces Command, the four Star command that I had reported to, and that the commander of the Theater Roosevelt Strike Group reported to, as.

1:14:26 Speaker 1: Well as several other units.

1:14:28 Speaker 9: And attached to the email was the go Fast video that he's seen now has been declassified and released to the public. And the email title was Urgent Safety Apply issue and all capital letters, and it came from the operations officer at Flea Forces to Command asking if any of the recipients of the email knew what these were these UAP because they were having numerous near mid air collisions as Ryan Grads saw firsthand his FIST Squadron MAS and and then the next day that email was wiped from my computer and no one talked about it in any subsequent meetings of Flee Forces Command.

1:15:04 Speaker 9: And this was very unusual because the primary job of Flee Forces Command is to prepare Navy units to deploy, like the Theodre Roosevelt Strike Group, and that exercise was a critical pre deployment requirement to get pilot.

1:15:17 Speaker 3: Certified to land on the flight data.

1:15:19 Speaker 9: And so not talking about EMERGENC safety applied to, for example, the UAP that split a section of aircraft. You don't want anything to get within a mile of Ann eighteen when it's operating, so that they didn't talk about it, that was covered up didn't sit well on me. And that's the reason I have come out today and or really for the past few years to talk about this and make sure we support all these reasons to acknowledge and be more transparent about UAP activity and data. And that's why I'm on the advisory board of Bryan's Americance or State Aerospace, and we've been advocating for the FAA to institute a system of reporting with standards to get more information out there to support safety, apply and science.

1:16:04 Speaker 4: Nice I'm okay give a question by Representative Borlson go as Forcers.

1:16:10 Speaker 20: Yeah, thank you, mis Davis, But I wanted to ask for you where this panels over, what are wholesome threads here?

1:16:20 Speaker 20: What is your understanding of the physics or likely for apulship technology, What is your assessment of what the capabilities are and how it's being achieved.

1:16:34 Speaker 1: And then also what I want to ask about materials and enerview as well. You can always expect late. These things are so far in advanced we can.

1:16:46 Speaker 5: Only speculate the best speculation I can come up with this general relative.

1:16:50 Speaker 1: He does a great job for.

1:16:51 Speaker 5: You've given something like a work bubble. Uh, you do exhibit the phenomenon of sub light work lessons light speed work bubbles. However, that's becomes a challenge when you're talking about who may be that time into the ocean and climb up that in them of the ocean and in the area.

1:17:10 Speaker 1: So work it's not working space time, that's work in space time.

1:17:14 Speaker 15: But if that's described how Swinstein general very yeah, and so the problem is it doesn't work space time, that's right, right, yeah, So so then.

1:17:25 Speaker 11: These objects are changing space time around them.

1:17:29 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:17:30 Speaker 5: They you know, a then shell energy and the type of version of house to be would have to be negative energy density, and it would be consistent with the type of energy.

1:17:38 Speaker 1: Unisity that you can create. And working back and examples a bat of the cast in your falty, there's a little vacuum region that's bound by the two plates in the cavity.

1:17:52 Speaker 20: Uh.

1:17:52 Speaker 1: There's also squeeze LANs squeeze states.

1:17:54 Speaker 5: Of white where that's the way you're being where you're going to take some part of canonical uh noise fluctuations for abound that part of the being you're not interested in, and pile it up elsewhere in the face space.

1:18:08 Speaker 1: And this is getting really technical, so I'll just kind of keep it this way.

1:18:13 Speaker 5: You're gonna take the plumb vacum fluctuation that we know as plumb noise, world shot noise and lasers. Bet you're gonna pile it out of somewhere else in an area you're.

1:18:21 Speaker 1: Not interested measuring. And you all want to measure the amplitude of that being. At that point, when you take the plumb bacum fluctuations out of that.

1:18:27 Speaker 5: Amplitude, that energy density does negative. And the energy density is the square.

1:18:32 Speaker 1: The ample two.

1:18:33 Speaker 5: So that goes negative, and that's an example of negative energy. The mass of the urine creates space time energy. Oh I was gonna say, so that's FaceTime curvature, which when you feel is the poison dragging on the surface of the Earth drags down the plant vacuum flecture fluctuations of the plum fields that are put in space near near the Earth and the facility of the Earth, and that energy doesn't have to be native and so this.

1:19:00 Speaker 3: Is one example.

1:19:01 Speaker 5: They're ready to be predictive astronomical sources the negative energy as well as plat energy. So that's what you need to build and work up, and that's what you need to build a constructive show.

1:19:14 Speaker 3: Just a brief comment of arification.

1:19:16 Speaker 8: We have two pillars of modern business, quantum mechanics and uninstanced.

1:19:22 Speaker 3: Her gravity, which is current from space time. We don't have reliable hearing that mons we're hearing is speculation.

1:19:35 Speaker 8: We do not have the knowledge to figure out if you can create from spacetime out of negative egis because we have never mustered.

1:19:46 Speaker 3: We don't have an understanding of that. So it's possible that.

1:19:49 Speaker 8: You know, an millennium from now, we'll have those quantum gravity engineers. You know that's possible. Currently we just you know, we're just like premiantly technology. You can figure it out. The question is is there something in position of government The scientist would look at boom and you know, I'm to have government figure it out because you may guide us about the theory of quant.

1:20:15 Speaker 5: More So, we have the ideas about these space and we can speculate that or what the best approached to take to go to work Bubble or the show Big Energy. Have to create a jurist world actually short that US based by to the two digital pas. But we have we have to craft in our possession. There are no physicists we're gonna be working in those programs. So basically mechanical aerodynamics, aerospace thorough control and cheer, electronic electrical engineers and material scientists and material science is a part of the engineering off usual kind of over lapsed chdustry as well.

1:20:51 Speaker 5: And they've never had a physicist like here, or they've never had an applied physicist or an experimental physicist, and so they are really lacking and ability understand.

1:21:03 Speaker 4: Certainly, legacy programs have been very insulated and insult so unfortunately it's it's a bit of a figured my approach, a little bit of an accessors community. There's not a whole lot of outside involvement because it is so highly classified, and that's been some of the frustration and I think challenges technologically speaking, because we haven't been able to recently apply new talent. You won't use new theories to what maybe what the US goverment may be in possession.

1:21:31 Speaker 5: Of, what about the energy potention, the energy is a question of autonomous we're.

1:21:38 Speaker 1: Seeing right, Yeah, I haven't been able to access that.

1:21:42 Speaker 4: Dr Davis, Can you talk for a moment, sorry about the Nymensis and the calculations for the object to go eighty thousand feet within less than a second and fifty feet over the water.

1:21:52 Speaker 5: What type of energy we pott hundreds of times the total energy produced in the United States. And that's the kind of energy that is representative of the observed features and performances of UAP.

1:22:08 Speaker 1: Prapped, especially the TI TAK that they.

1:22:09 Speaker 5: Need encounter member of two thousand four and so tires and hundreds of times the United States produces and a life every mon talent and so that that compares really well with its still a spacecraft that would travel relativist, cultural relativistic, cultural relativist to be anywhere from ninety eight may nine percent speed, Like the energy is disastronomically huge. So this craft I have not been I don't have the security clearances I need to to get accent to the technical detail that I have made to understand that the craft are consistent in size with the tit TAC, even double one size of the TIC TAC that would be able to about one hundred feet on my fifty feet diameters of that type murmerang Kraft erb Jam Kraft run He shape craft.

1:23:03 Speaker 1: And so forth. The biggest ones that.

1:23:05 Speaker 5: Had been observed, especially that in the investigating a NS in nineteen on nine involved Scott in the work space. That one was a six hundred foot long crop and it was about Berkeley a hoop few tall. And so they don't have the session of craft like that. I've even been told that it's youthfully need the more manscale they could. Yeah that so we might have been yeah, so uh so we can only speculate. I know Jim Caaski wrote in his book, I wrote the time when of it. But anyway it was got call Calip worked with that Niche and Georgiana Okay only STV and looks famous and so Jim mentioned and Jim was the program manager for the.

1:23:47 Speaker 1: ADS at the ash W a P type it was and h and so.

1:23:56 Speaker 24: Basically he described in his book somebody I don't know if it his hair because he never I think he said was him when inside of these craft that he got access to, and they recognize any propulsion or how devices or systems inside the craft.

1:24:12 Speaker 1: It was completely unusual trials.

1:24:14 Speaker 5: Taylor and I have expective MATD that possibly they're teleport the energy from a remote distant location where the energy is produced is still according to the draft, and that's how the craft can move around with that how many carryvelment or general or an advanced work drive in general, that's one possibility doesn't speculated on the material.

1:24:34 Speaker 20: So whether you have anything is carbon can take multiple forms, right, And are you saying that that is the same with other material other elements.

1:24:45 Speaker 1: The way in which fully found is different forms.

1:24:49 Speaker 5: Of these elements that ali is there any different combinations of the elements.

1:24:56 Speaker 1: As well? Correct?

1:24:58 Speaker 5: So you're you're you're going to add a variety of But whatever structural part of this that came out from the n A P.

1:25:04 Speaker 1: I don't know what because it was I didn't have this uh way that acknowledge.

1:25:08 Speaker 25: Lapiss not only have g S so I the stip I was warned that there would be combinations of boloins from the periodic table, combinations of their isotopes, So you have variety developments as a nationally or some isotopes, so they're mixed together in a certain way.

1:25:24 Speaker 5: I mean they're structurally built in very unusually right that even thing we have no equivalent, we're going on to them. So these were these This isn't about as much as.

1:25:34 Speaker 1: I was information in s C. Do you have or can you comments on whatever species have been piloting these craft? How are they large? Are they are they multiple species? Are they are like? What was their size and how they usually on a craft? They're typically the multiple species people through.

1:26:00 Speaker 5: Would be grazed and were people were talking about retilions and insectuis.

1:26:04 Speaker 1: Is not that they're reptilian insectuaries, is that they are presentable to the presentiment of utile or an insect title human because they have this a head and foremoons and.

1:26:17 Speaker 5: Torso so large small human science, humans, game and happening career well, well, the grays i'n pamiliar went from investing the crashing prolea which is miss misnamed the crash and rosspel it's not the passion Rospel's the fashion those were praisals were both of the tall and the enormics are typically human sized propably I for five six feet tall and saying with the people who miss labeled reptilion and insect with they're roughly that top time too.

1:26:56 Speaker 1: I haven't occurred anything about anything seven grade m that make treat so uh guh, folks, we're gonna be your time.

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