Congressman Eric Burlison on UAPs, Disclosure, and Humanity’s Cosmic Future

0:12 Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome to a special live edition of Total Disclosure. My NAME'SI, and tonight we're joined by a sitting US Congressman who has been at the forefront of one of the most pressing and controversial topics in modern American politics UFOs, national security, and the long road to disclosure. At a time when the public is demanding answers in Congress is being met with resistance from within its own government, we ask why the silence. Joining me tonight is Representative Eric Burlson of Missouri, a member of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee and someone who is unafraid to speak plainly about the stakes involved, from the implications of UAP's Nears nuclear facilities to a UAP disclosure acts vanishing teeth.

1:05 Speaker 1: Tonight, we're going to get into it at all. This isn't about little green men. This is about transparency, security, and the uncomfortable truth that something is happening and the people deserve to know. Congressman Burlison, thank you for being here.

1:29 Speaker 1: So let's let's dive right in. My friend. It's so good to have you back.

1:34 Speaker 2: Good to be back. I.

1:36 Speaker 1: You have been on quite the quite the tour lately, I must say, and it's been I don't know whether it's refreshing or if it's you know, a little bit scary. How much you've been doing. I kind of want to just jump right into it. I heard, and there's a reason I'm charting with this. I heard through the grape vine that you recently had a UFO experience.

2:08 Speaker 2: That's not true.

2:09 Speaker 1: That's not true.

2:11 Speaker 3: No, that's not true. You know, I wish that I had, and then I could kind of find some definitive into this search. But no, that's not that's the Internet. That's somebody posting something in social media jumping to a conclusion that's not true.

2:30 Speaker 1: Really, I am. I wonder why I brought this up first. I wonder why so so yeah, I mean I saw that you recently sat down with like people like Chris Bledsoe. You've been, you've been, Uh, you went down and saw the Nasca mummies with doctor Greer all that stuff. I mean, did you guys do any skywatches or anything like that and get into it, because I know Chris loves that stuff.

3:00 Speaker 2: So I'll tell you the story. So I didn't know Chris.

3:05 Speaker 3: Some other people reached out and said that he was in town that evening and I that was on a Thursday, I believe last Thursday. And and I said, yeah, if you if you guys are free for dinner, we'll go have dinner. I bought everybody's dinner then. And then at the end of they just you know, Chris shared his story. I just point blank said, hey, if I go, where, where do you Because he said that he.

3:32 Speaker 2: Can call in u a P.

3:34 Speaker 3: I said where, like what locations the desert, over ponds or lakes or you know, can you do it in a city? He basically said anywhere and everywhere. And I said, let's do it tonight. And he took me up on it. So we went out literally to the Capitol mall and he attempted to do it. And I mean, I don't even I couldn't even tell you what he was doing. He's just like, it's nothing different. He didn't act like a different person or anything. It's not like you're going to do a trance or anything. But and about you know, there's at some point, after after being there for quite some time, I said, all right, I'm ready to go to bed.

4:17 Speaker 3: And so nothing, nothing had.

4:20 Speaker 1: Happened, I know, And and let's I just want to make it clear that I had done my research and I had known that to be the case, but I brought it up for a reason, Uh, not to diminish Chris. I love Chris. I introduced him at Contact in the Desert. He did a SkyWatch there where people said they saw things, some others said they didn't. So it's it's it's I think it's kind of hit or mints. And I feel like since we've had our last talk, you've been exposed to so many more people in the community, and you're starting to kind of kind of see where things go.

4:59 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, you're You're right, tyy.

5:01 Speaker 3: When I first came into this, there's so many names and groups and people that I just I was like drinking from a fire hose. Now I've gotten to get a little bit of a flavor and understanding of all the players and the and the you know, the more that I'm delving into this, the more that you can kind of figure things out.

5:20 Speaker 1: Right. Uh, So I want to start, uh like legitimately start. I was just kind of playing with you to open it up banter, but listen, big news obviously, Uh, you had said I think you would come out of us a skiff, and you had said that, Uh, the next hearings that are going to be now held in September, I think is the date that we're eyeing firsthand witnesses. Can you speak a little bit about that and the process of going from witnesses like Ryan Graves David g h to potential firsthand witnesses and who they may be.

6:05 Speaker 3: I'm not going to disclose who they may be, but and I believe that that Anna Polina Luna is the.

6:11 Speaker 2: One that that disclosed that.

6:14 Speaker 3: But my my team is responsible for trying to get those witnesses. We made it clear from meetings with you know, with her and with the Oversight task Force, that we that was our goal was to try to get firsthand witnesses. We're and so the next hearing that's is to attempt to do that.

6:37 Speaker 1: And how is there any been any challenges? Because it sounds like the reason the hearings were delayed in the first place is because people walking out coming in back.

6:52 Speaker 2: That's right. We keep having people that.

6:56 Speaker 3: Claim to have you know, and I'm sure I don't I'm not doubting their stories, but but then when we get them to we can't get a lot of people to agree to come in even do a public hearing. Ironically, some of the people that we've talked to said that they're done talking in a skiff, that they won't.

7:17 Speaker 2: Go back and do a skiff, that they only want to do a public hearing.

7:21 Speaker 3: And yet when we ask them to come to the public hearing, they won't come to the public hearing.

7:25 Speaker 2: And so it's it is extremely frustrating.

7:28 Speaker 1: That's going to be bizarre, right because you know it and again it raises that same question like, hey, that that seems really sketchy, like and you know, it seems like a lot of these people are seemingly all talk, no game. They won't they won't, they won't get in front of you guys in an open hearing.

7:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to give them, give them a chance. And but we'll see.

7:57 Speaker 2: I think that.

8:00 Speaker 3: David reached out to him full of people, So there's gonna be some we will have witnesses. There's there's a couple of witnesses that I was really wanting. We're having a hard time getting those two.

8:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and if I can just throw some names at you real quick, like I would think about and this is just me spitballing. Of course you don't. You don't have to, you know, hear it, if you don't.

8:25 Speaker 2: Want to, if I can keep my poker face, yeah.

8:28 Speaker 1: Keep your poker face on if you if you must. But guys like doctor Lakatski, I'd be eyeing someone like him, I'd be eyeing uh Eric Davis, I'd be uh Tom Admiral Wilson, Uh, Gary Nolan Uh. And you know, a real big thing I've been focusing on lately is I'll probably start looking at some of the nuclear witnesses because they're getting up there in age, and you know, they I think they have a lot to say, and I wanted to start, well, not to start, but continue the conversation with that that connection, the nuclear connection.

9:10 Speaker 1: Have you been looking into that connection and some of these cases that have been around for quite a while.

9:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does appear that there's more activity, or at least more reportings near nuclear facilities.

9:26 Speaker 2: Now.

9:26 Speaker 3: That may be because there's a lot of eyes on this guy in there, right, So there's a.

9:30 Speaker 1: Lot of.

9:32 Speaker 3: Security, there's a lot of cameras that are looking for things and people. Obviously it's not like I mean, more and more people spend time indoors at night. They don't spend out time outside time outside looking up into the stars.

9:50 Speaker 2: But I think it.

9:52 Speaker 3: Appears that I mean, and it may be a correlation that there is more activity at nuclear site, or it just may be just a coincidence and the fact that more more eyeballs are looking up.

10:09 Speaker 2: There's also a.

10:10 Speaker 3: Lot more activity, it seems, over water, m from anything from like a cow pond or like a like a small pond to the ocean obviously, so it does appear that there's a lot of reported activity above water.

10:26 Speaker 1: I would agree. I would agree both of those of our two of the connection. That's the biggest thing for me is us like the USOS and the nuclear connection, because I think there are those are among the two most solid connections and like dots that we can cross, right, and it just seems that there's something going on there. And if we took it a little bit more serious and you know, didn't stigmatize the people that because one of the problems is people don't want to come forward because they really don't want to get scrutinized, and like what would happened with Grush, they're pulling out his uh, his records is is calling him, you know, a looney uhh, a crazy person just because you know, PTSD from from being in a war and seeing his best friend die, Like that's crazy.

11:19 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Yeah.

11:20 Speaker 3: Again, it's it's sad that they have to start coming forward means that people are going to come through your or try to get access to your medical records just to disprove you. That's that's that's really a unsettling thing and kind of puts a chill, chilling effect on anybody that might consider coming forward.

11:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you actually hinted, you hinted in our last conversation that hiring Grush might have been a way kind of around this little obstacle course that you were you were running. You've since done that, So how did that work? And and is he able to now enter skiffs with you? And like what's the level of clearance there.

12:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're still trying to get his clearance to increase to the TSSCI level. He's not he's not able to come into a lot of the briefings. He's able to come in at a certain level, but not very much, very high, not the levels that we need. So that's a lot of paperwork and we need. We need, you know, the proper agencies to approve that. We're still waiting on that, but I would say that in general, he's been extremely extremely valuable to myself to be to giving me the proper, you know, places to go.

12:45 Speaker 3: He's been very helpful and kind of reaching out to people, kind of tracking down, you know, whatever things that we need to do.

12:53 Speaker 2: It's been it's been.

12:55 Speaker 3: Very worthwhile, absolutely worthwhile, and and so I'm it was one of the best decisions that I've made.

13:02 Speaker 1: I think, so I really do. And I was super happy to hear that you that you had done that and and taken that step because again, you know, a lot of com and I don't want to I'm not disparaging any members of Congress, but I think there's a lot of talk, but there's not a lot of like backing it up when and you seem to just be like your word is what we can take you on. And you're always very honest and open. And that's what I really like about you and why I why I like conversing with you because you're always honest and I really do appreciate that.

13:38 Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, well, this this topic is fascinating. Look and I'm still at a place where I'm I'm a skeptic and and trying to approach this from a from a skeptics perspective a lot. So so far, what I can tell you is I've only had secondhand accounts told me I've never seen anything.

14:01 Speaker 2: Personally. I've seen a lot of.

14:03 Speaker 3: Fuzzy, blurry photos and videos of objects. Nothing that just absolutely is groundbreakingly clear and and and and overwhelming to me. So a lot of blurry photos, a lot of a lot of blurry videos. Yeah, second hand information I have as you as you referred, I went down to try to see firsthand because I was offered an opportunity to see firsthand the Booga sphere and the and the mummies.

14:37 Speaker 1: How was that?

14:38 Speaker 2: That was a that was a trip?

14:40 Speaker 1: It was Yeah, since you brought it up, I wasn't really gonna go here too too soon. But what prompted that trip? How do you end up there doing that with like guys like doctor Greer And I got to ask if you've I mean follow up question as well.

15:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, So there was an individual who was connected to me through a mutual friend. He was going down to film this. Uh, these you know scientists that are connected to NASA. They do work for NASA. They were contracted to go and take samples and this documentary crew is going to film that. They they said, invited me to come.

15:29 Speaker 2: I had to. Obviously it was my own expenses. I couldn't.

15:32 Speaker 3: I can't accept any of that. So went down there and yeah, Matt Jimi Masson, who is a wonderful individual, very very kind, very sweet person, very funny, and doctor Greer was there as well, and so we I took with me one of my good friends, Tim Albarino, who wrote the book called Birthright, Yes, who studies this phenomenon and and is really kind of more like he comes from an archaeological perspective, like an He really kind of studies like.

16:11 Speaker 2: The ancient alien.

16:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, but he is conversive with the Spanish culture.

16:18 Speaker 2: He lived in Peru for for a.

16:21 Speaker 3: Long time and you know, and and did a lot of work in Peru, so he knows those the culture there and those the origin of those of what those mummies are. So having him be there was was actually extremely valuable and helpful.

16:39 Speaker 1: So what is your take on So what did you think, like, not maybe maybe we could start with the bugisphere, but the mummies are the what actually kind of piqued my interest, and in a good way. I really do think there's there might be it's either the most elaborate, expensive hoax ever or it's legitimate. But with the Buga spear, that's I don't know what I'm waiting.

17:08 Speaker 3: To hear back from what those scientists come up with or what what their results are.

17:15 Speaker 2: But I would say, just if you asked.

17:17 Speaker 3: Me, without having any kind of in any results to verify it, I would say it did not impress upon me that that was that the spear was created by some like ultra advanced civilization. Yeah, it looks it's very interesting. It's it's got yeah, I mean it's it's got a lot of interesting markings on it. The markings themselves do not appear to be symmetrical, and so it seems it just it seems handmade. And so if you so, that's that's my view of the spear.

17:57 Speaker 2: I do.

17:58 Speaker 3: I mean that the individuals that found it, I got to meet them. They're from Columbia, and they told their story. There's another gentleman who had filmed a after this the Buga.

18:12 Speaker 2: Sphere had been found.

18:13 Speaker 3: There was another gentleman that filmed another sphere right, very similar, about thirty miles away in a different region.

18:22 Speaker 2: And so it's.

18:25 Speaker 3: They have interesting compelling stories. I just I'm saying, if you just if you look, just look at this for what it is at this point in time, I wouldn't. I don't believe that it's convincing me that it is made by an alien. It's so it's so rudimentary that I said, look, if it, I'm willing to and and doctor Greer and others kind of had this conclusion as well, is that it we're gonna we want to carbon date the thing because if it is, if it's very ancient, then and it's then there's a different story there, right, So it could be that it was you know, that it's been laying dormant for for thousands of years, or what they're also testing on it is to see if it's the the metal originates from planet Earth, so they they're able to determine whether that metal was originating here or on you know, on a different planet.

19:26 Speaker 3: And so that will be fascinating if if those those come back with those.

19:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, but I, like you, I was very very skeptical of it because I feel like when I looked at it, I was looking at the black like circles on it, and they looked like they were like a sharpie. But that was just my observation. I don't you got to see it a little bit more close up.

19:49 Speaker 3: No, I can say that there there's actually something there there. They are their holes in in this little ridge that goes around the all the way around. They are holes and they're kind of plugged with what, when you look under a microscope, appears to be.

20:08 Speaker 2: What they call fiber optics.

20:11 Speaker 3: Okay, and so they are that it is solid and it's dark, but when you look at it under a microscope you can see that there are even within one hole that there are dozens, if not, you know, more of these little bitty dots that are in a circular form.

20:31 Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean kind of interesting. And even if we found out that it was like some Lockeed, you know, because obviously I want to get to that in a few about arrow and all everything that's been coming out. But even if we found out that it was some like craft drone design out of North of gram and or Lockeed, like, that's still pretty I mean, look at that, it's a sphere. Spheres don't don't usually lift off and take take flight, So I mean it would be interesting pretty regard regardless if it was human or not of this earth, if you will.

21:10 Speaker 1: But pushing over to what I think is more interesting, the Nasca mummies. What did you think of those?

21:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, the mummies that we saw firsthand were fairly small, and and I've heard from a lot of people that the ones that are small are not there.

21:27 Speaker 2: They're replicas.

21:28 Speaker 3: They're not real, And just looking at them at first glance, they look so rigid, so almost they look like like I'm trying to like the I Joe that doesn't even have like elbows, right, have movable movable parts, it looks and so it just is hard to imagine these things living and operating at all. There's now what I've been told. And they did show us some of the scanned and CT scans of the larger mummies that are in Peru.

22:11 Speaker 1: Mmmm.

22:11 Speaker 3: And I'm and I'm gonna make it clear, I'm not saying that I believe this, but there are many that that doubted the little mummies that but that, but do believe that the larger ones are real because because of the intricacy of those. I was frustrated that I wasn't able to see those. I guess I'm gonna have to go to Peru.

22:32 Speaker 2: If I want to see those.

22:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, And and then there's like prouvying. Government's pretty weird about that whole thing. So that could be challenging as a sitting member of Congress to do, you know, And that's and that sucks, but it's okay. You've speculated that uh UAPs could be very ancient h or even a future race of us using advanced technology to traverse space time. A lot of these possibilities challenge our understanding of humanity's placed in the universe and what existential questions do they raise for you personally?

23:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what has been consistent and kind of this what is you know, commonly talked about is that these what we're experiencing is not is not is not a being that's traveling here great distances across space time to get here.

23:34 Speaker 2: If anything, it's it would appear that.

23:36 Speaker 3: They have access to be able to bypass that through either warping space or they just exist in a different dimension.

23:45 Speaker 2: And so that's that's consistently what I'm hearing more and more from from people that are describing the phenomenon, and so.

23:55 Speaker 3: It's you know, look, and I would say if you, if you had to put it on a scale of what is plausible. That's why from the very first hearing I said, I really highly doubt that that little greed men are traveling light years, which would take an enormous amount of time and probably multiple generations of any form of life to get here, and then repeatedly come here and crash.

24:24 Speaker 2: It doesn't that's just implausible.

24:27 Speaker 3: But if you're telling me they don't have to travel here, they can just phase in from from their existence, and to them there is no such thing as distance. It just they can just they can pop in and out. That's a different story. And I do believe that that there are more dimensions than this, and I think that I think quantum physics, particularly when it comes to quantum entanglement, I think that that demonstrates that there absolutely is more to the existence than what we're you and I are living on today.

25:03 Speaker 3: And I say that because the fact that you can have two entangled particles, you can send one particle to the other end of the universe, and then when you when you measure one the other one changes instantaneously. There's nothing that traveled between them. There's nothing that that that you know, made a journey through space time to be able to make that communication. And so that that to me tells me that we are living on one dimension of our a dimension that is where there's more than what, more than what meets the eye.

25:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just so in the studio yesterday, I had a gentleman. His name's Rizwan Verk and uh, you know, he's an m I. T Graduate and him and I were speaking about the same thing, the idea that the distance it would take from you know, because the main hypothesis for you know, the past fifty sixty years is the extraterrestrial hypothesis. But you know, if we are potentially living in some sort of simulation, it would explain not only things like deja vu or the Mandela effect, but it would also explain a lot of a lot of this UFO activity or the phenomena, because it could be the simulators or even part of the simulation, you know, kind of dropping like and maybe explain some of the crashes, you know.

26:38 Speaker 3: Uh.

26:38 Speaker 1: Diana Posoka her her contact at NASA, Tim Taylor. He spoke about UFO crashes as gifts, and she always questioned that gifts, what do you mean by gifts? And what if they are care packages from the simulator or God or whatever, the sky beings, whatever you want to call them, and it's meant to nudge us in a certain way. I mean, do you ever think about things like this?

27:12 Speaker 3: Not I don't often go in that direction, but I do love This is not the first time someone has brought this up to me, as is proposed.

27:20 Speaker 1: To I don't. I really, I'm with you on the whole crash thing, Like either we've built weaponry that's bringing them down, which I think is highly unlikely but possible, versus this might be some sort of simulation and they're potentially you know, guiding and running like advanced scenarios for future outcomes. I mean, we do it right now.

27:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, it very well could be.

27:54 Speaker 3: It could be that there's a the way that, for example, that we treat them any other animal on this planet. We kind of there's moments where we kind of intervene to make sure that like an endangered species is saved, or like a beached whale is saved. And I'm sure that to the whale, the experience of having humans interact with it is has got on land, has got to be extremely foreign.

28:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he gets dropped back into the oce. Sorry, cut you off, Ah, got it. I'm so sorry. It's I'm getting more used to the in person episodes and the latency here is as people always gonna yell at me. But yeah, imagine the whale goes back to his whale buddies and he's like, dude, you're never gonna fucking You're never gonna guess what I happened to me today. I got pulled out of the water by these things with arms and they gueld you know, they're walking, They you know, puts, you know, injected me with something, then dropped me back into the ocean.

28:57 Speaker 1: And now I'm here telling you that would sound crazy to the other whales, but it's reality. It's it's reality, right, so.

29:06 Speaker 2: Right, you know, it just seems like that's that's one of the narratives, is that that these.

29:15 Speaker 3: These higher dimensional beings, if you will, that they're more like a caretaker looking after us and and making sure. But I mean, that's just that's one of the narratives.

29:26 Speaker 1: That's it's very much speculation as all of this usually is so going back to Arrow and and I mean some reporting that that came out recently that this, this whole phenomena is essentially boils down to UH an air Force hazing ritual or like a program. I'm sure you at the Wall Street Journal articles the whole thing being tied back to some Air Force hazing ritual for UH special access programs and UH it's it's all like some sort of sigh up, Uh what what?

30:13 Speaker 2: What?

30:14 Speaker 1: What was your take on that? And and what should the public think about this journalism?

30:21 Speaker 3: You know, it was I've had a lot of people that are very angry that are from the u AP community that are very angry at that. They there's a lot of doubt about Sean Kirkpatrick and and and the team of Arrow that was that he was leading.

30:41 Speaker 2: Tim Phillips, I think is a personally. I think that he is an honest as he can.

30:49 Speaker 3: And I would say my experience with Sean Kirkpatrick and with Tim Phillips is that they I think that they they looked and they looked at thousands of cases, and every time it came up something that they could debunk, and eventually they just kind of get black, they got black pilled.

31:09 Speaker 2: That's to me the but the question.

31:11 Speaker 3: But the other question you have to ask yourself is how many thousands of times are you gonna are we all gonna like look at this and if we come to dead ends at well some point you got to cut bait and say it's not gonna happen. It's not and and and come to the conclusion is probably not a real phenomenon. And so I can I can somewhat relate because I'll tell you it's been two years that I've been looking into this and coming into dead end after dead end after dead end.

31:40 Speaker 2: Well cut, go ahead.

31:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that brings me to one of the viewers questions or the listener questions that I got. And I guess I'll just ask it and I'll plug it in now because I mean, it makes it makes a lot of sense. And to what you just said, let me just pull it up real quick. It's people are gonna be interested with why I chose this one. It's from Stephen Cambion, who him and I've we see him and I very very much are are on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Okay, And and and when you ask, he's highly highly skeptical.

32:18 Speaker 1: He thinks everyone is grifting. He's he's one of those guys. Now, now, no.

32:23 Speaker 2: Shade, there's definitely some grifting.

32:25 Speaker 1: There's, of course there is. I mean, I I would

32:33 Speaker 1: I I agree with him. I just don't think everything it seems like for him. I don't want to make this never mind. I won't even go there. We're just we're different people. Let's put it that.

32:47 Speaker 3: I would say, definitely, there's some people that are grifting, but there's many others that are genuine. Their worldview has been rocked and they just and they're motivated by that.

32:59 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I don't think it's I don't think it's healthy to start from a believer's perspective and work your narrative to fit that. And the same way, it's not to start off as it's not possible and work your narrative to that, because you're starting from a biased perspective either way. And you know, again, we need to remain neutral. And he so he asks, does Eric have any comments on how these efforts to disclose could be seen as a waste of taxpayers money if there ends up no payoff from Stephen Canyon?

33:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, so then so to.

33:39 Speaker 3: My response to that is they're already spending taxpayer dollars. There are programs including ARROW, and there have been these legacy programs for quite some time, and they are you know, one of the narratives is that that was from the Wall Street Journal article, is that this was a disinformation campaign to try to try to, you know, smoke people or to point people away from the true projects that are happening. And if that's the case, that I want to know that I think that it's it's disheartening.

34:14 Speaker 3: It would be disheartening to find out that the federal government is not only just holding information and lying to the American people, but they're actually creating a false narrative that causes the American people to go down this rabbit trail and spend time, money, resources. And so at the end of the day, it's happening, and I'm just trying to get down to the bottom of.

34:35 Speaker 2: Why it's happening.

34:47 Speaker 1: Oh I was just muted. I don't know why. So yeah, making so, if it's going to be spent, might as well make sure it's spent the right way to some degree, or at.

34:57 Speaker 2: Least get the truth out right.

34:59 Speaker 3: Right, Congress should have some kind of role in this elected somebody who's elected and accountable to the people should have some some form of role and complete insight on this.

35:13 Speaker 1: I agree, I absolutely agree. And and uh so Daniel Miller asks, after after you met with the i C, I g uh, you said some aspects of Russia's claims were true. Can you elaborate on what claims specifically?

35:31 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so they that that was an interesting meeting. They base.

35:36 Speaker 3: They basically said that they can't they don't have enough information. They weren't able to get into the details of what these programs were or were not doing. But what they were able to investigate because they're mostly financially they're investigating the finances, is that the programs are not following the law, that they're not reporting to Congress, that the programs are overly compartmentalized.

36:01 Speaker 2: They're not, they're not even you know.

36:04 Speaker 3: They said that they the Office of Inspector General had a hard time getting these programs to even respond to them. That's not acceptable and so and so they they confirmed because you know, of the Grussia's allegations, those were some So those were consistent.

36:25 Speaker 2: With what he was saying.

36:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so what what role does the I C. I G. Still have in all this if if any.

36:36 Speaker 2: You know, they're mostly looking at any kind.

36:38 Speaker 1: Of is that the financial aspect?

36:40 Speaker 2: Right, the financial aspects.

36:43 Speaker 1: Because that that's that that brings up a really good uh maybe not good segue. I don't know, but a lot of people, I mean, you've heard the auto before is follow the money, follow the money, follow the money. And you know, the Pentagon is never passed an audit, and it seems pretty odd where like you know, the speech I think Rumsfield Rumsfield gave a couple of days before nine to eleven, you know, two point three trillion dollars is missing tea with like trillions of the tea. And then after nine to eleven they come out and they say, oh no, just kidding, books are balanced.

37:23 Speaker 1: We figured it all out. And it's like, well, uh, you know, something doesn't add up here. So what I'm asking is, I mean, you you you've pretty much confirmed in other interviews that you do believe the deep state is a real thing. Is that is that accurate?

37:44 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely? I mean.

37:49 Speaker 3: And there's some alligators. You know, it's a swamp and there's some alligators and other things that are in there, and so it gets it gets very prickly. When you try to try to delve deep into some of this stuff, you definitely get some pushback.

38:05 Speaker 2: But the at the end of the day, that's what our job is.

38:11 Speaker 1: M Well, do I mean, do you think it is possible that the Bunny's being i mean siphoned off essentially and funneled into black programs? Maybe? I mean recently, I know Jeremy Corbel and George I don't know what they're standing is in Congress anymore after the last hearing, but the Immaculate Constellation whistleblower, he could I don't know if he would be good to bring in. But did you did you look at that? Have you? Have you heard and looked into this?

38:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had conversations with Matt Brown.

38:48 Speaker 3: He's he seems to be you know, he's his experience, seems to be honest, he's coming. I believe that he's being completely honest and transparent. He's he's takes he's taking this very seriously. And you're right, he would make a great witness.

39:08 Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. So I guess look, question, well, I'm.

39:16 Speaker 3: Willing to regarding the question, what is Congress's role working with people. How are we working with corgo with NAP. You know, there's you know, what's interesting about this community is that there are turf battles between these different groups and they don't like many of them don't like each other, many of them don't get along, and and they all kind of want to be the center of it. And the truth is, I don't really care. I'm just trying to get to the truth. So I'm I will work with whomever I think is going to be effective it and and and you know, can bring forward some helpful information or help or connect me to other people.

40:00 Speaker 3: And so I'm not I'm not here to judge the people that I'm working that that.

40:05 Speaker 2: Are willing to do that. I'm just.

40:09 Speaker 3: So I'm willing to What I'm saying is I don't I'm not going to pick a camp. I'm not like Team Edmund what is that? What is that movie the Twilet? You know, I'm not I'm.

40:20 Speaker 1: Not Team was Pattinson and Taylor Water's characters.

40:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, or like Hogwarts versus. Yeah, I'm not.

40:30 Speaker 3: I'm not here to try to do that. I'm just trying to navigate. And frankly, I think that having these groups separate does is actually beneficial to the topic as as a whole, because they're different perspectives on the same topic. You're you're able to get, you know, three dimensional view of what's going on.

40:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, it's actually kind of refreshing to hear you say that that, because that's I mean, that's essentially what I like I as a podcaster, as a journalist, you know, you hear everybody out and you take the information that you think, uh, you know, is is genuine, you know, because I think humans are are they're naturally if they're telling you a story, it's going to be the best version of that story, even if it's just going to the convenience store. You know, I almost got hit taken a you know, taken the right turn.

41:30 Speaker 1: And we always want to tell the best story. And and I think that's that's kind of what happens in the UFO community is everyone everyone thinks they have the secret to the sauce, right, that's right, and and and in reality, if we had stepped back and worked as a team, like there's nothing that a united humanity couldn't accomplish. And I think this plays out on the geopolitical scale as well.

41:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we we're looking at working with other countries. So the first country that I've been connected with is Japan. And so we're right, you're getting a puzzled look. But yeah, Japan is looking at creating a version in their in their country. That's kind of like aero to study the phenomenon. And I've had at least on two occasions been on zoom calls with with with with Japanese political leaders.

42:31 Speaker 1: Just amazing. Yeah, that's really that's that's really cool.

42:36 Speaker 2: I didn't know.

42:36 Speaker 1: I don't know.

42:37 Speaker 2: If I and I get to try out my Japanese speaking.

42:40 Speaker 3: Ability, you can speak Japanese, Yeah, chumas just just a little bit, just.

42:47 Speaker 1: A little bit. Well that's not I mean, that's awesome. And and I think that. I mean I didn't Oh shoot, I forget, didn't the UK come out and say they're going to finally have hearings as well? Am I'm making that up?

43:02 Speaker 2: If it happened.

43:03 Speaker 3: Look, there's a lot that's that is hit hits the you know that you guys are saying, but there's also sometimes not everything comes to my to my visibility.

43:15 Speaker 1: Right right, and and yeah, no, that makes it does it really does make sense but I think I think I'm I think I'm not making that up. I'm pretty sure that one of our allies, i think it's the UK, finally said that they were going to hold some hearings and.

43:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be good. I'd be happy to reach out. I'll take note of that and I'll have my team reach out.

43:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me maybe the chat can fact check me here. But I I know, I just heard it somewhere. And speaking of that, I'm you know, I'm pretty good friends and and pretty uh, I don't know, I'm okay with Danny she and speaking of a guy who kind of goes with both camps, you know.

43:59 Speaker 2: Is great. The great individual really.

44:02 Speaker 1: Really really just such a He's such a good person to have in this community because he's so so well versed in so many areas of of of things that he's just he's become this really wealth of knowledge and and you know, he's really pushing the UAP Disclosure Act and he wants to know who the enemies of this act are. And if you've been able to sniff any of them out, well we'll see.

44:29 Speaker 3: We had, you know, where we tried to get it past the what was it last year we had to get it, you know, Chuck Schumer was actually helpful getting it in in the Senate, but that language got stripped out in the House.

44:43 Speaker 2: We've we've got new leaders on the.

44:46 Speaker 3: Intelligence Committee, and so I'm hoping that I and I've I've had conversations with Rick Crawford, and I think that he's he's absolutely willing to be helpful on this, which is different than his predecessor. So we'll see. And but Dannie's right, like, at the end of the day, we all we have, all we can do is just try and then force the you know, the whoever the opposition is, to actually show themselves until there is no more opposition.

45:23 Speaker 1: Right, right, And I mean I I just find it weird that guys like you know, Mike Turner that represent the same district that Right Patterson is in, which holds a tremendous place in UFO lore as being you know, almost almost more important than Area fifty one. If I was really going to go look for for a reverse engineered UFO, I'd probably go to Wright Patterson before I ever went to ask for if it even exists, as as we think it does. I just interesting stuff. He gets a lot of money from private aerospace as well, and the tic TAC ross Coltart just came out said the tic TAC he thinks is uh manufactured by by Lockheed Martin.

46:14 Speaker 1: What do you think about that? That's that that sentiment.

46:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, So whenever I first the very first hearing where David Grush came forward and we had David Fraverer and Ryan Grace testify as well, and they and they talked about the tic TAC, you know, his his experience with seeing the tic TAC the I was getting. I got an email from someone that was very detailed in explaining that that was a Lockheed Martin project.

46:48 Speaker 2: That was what was almost three years ago.

46:52 Speaker 3: So then since then, I've had another individual come FULK come to me.

46:59 Speaker 2: I won't I won't say his name.

47:02 Speaker 3: He claims to have photos and videos of different different versions of this of this phenomenon of the tic TAC and as it throughout its progression, and so I'm I'm trying to set up an opportunity.

47:18 Speaker 2: Where I can see that for myself first.

47:22 Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's what I've I've been repeatedly told is that it's Lackie Martin.

47:29 Speaker 1: So but I don't know what surprise you.

47:32 Speaker 3: I don't know, and it wouldn't surprise me. It would kind of fit with what is the most most plausible. But I would say, you know Tim Phillips when he was when he went on his interview circuit with Yeah, he you know, And honestly, I feel like when just working with Tim that he was he was genuinely trying to get us the same information that they were seeing, which is very noble, right, but said that he had tried to give a briefing and had gotten permission from a special access program to be able to brief us, and and he and that briefing was not blocked by the d O D or people in the special access program.

48:16 Speaker 2: It was actually blocked by.

48:17 Speaker 3: Leadership, is what he leadership, to which I reached out to the speaker immediately, Me and Anna and Tim Burchett confronted the speaker on the floor and about it.

48:35 Speaker 2: He had no.

48:35 Speaker 3: Idea what we were talking about. I really no no idea whatsover had never was. And I believe, honestly, there are times, I honestly I think Mike Johnson is an honest individual. I think he there's times where he makes promises that he is not able to live up to.

48:56 Speaker 2: But he's not gonna lie about about something like that just and so I do believe him.

49:04 Speaker 3: But I also I think that whenever he looked into it, had his team look into it, they indicated that it was blocked by one of the one of the chairmen or ranking members of either Intelligence or HASK and so and so, one of which would it could have been very well could have been my turner at that time. So so, and that that briefing that that mister Phillips was talking about was a briefing that would have probably indicated to I'm just speculating, because he was trying to show us some of the historical craft and he had even done a site visit where he saw almost what he describes as a museum of the of this technology as it as it's involved, and that that would be that would be helpful in kind of ascertaining and knowing what's out there right, knowing what we have and being able to eliminate a lot of a lot of photos and videos that that are speculatively extraterrestrial.

50:15 Speaker 2: HM right, and the fact that we are blocked from that.

50:19 Speaker 3: It was very frustrating and I think that we're making it. We're because we've raised the alarm, because I've spoken with the new Intel chairman. I'm hoping that we have we have a different scenario. And the other thing that's different is that we have we have a very transparent lighthouse. You know, Donald Trump is a disclosure president. We've we've kind of had a little bit of difficulty with the f STET files, but I think it's at the end of the day, I think he wants the information to come out on that.

50:52 Speaker 3: He wants all of the information that you know, some of the scandals with our intelligence community to come forward. We've had a tremendous we've had a lot of success when it came to the JFK files. If there's anything that this task Force has I think been successful on, it's getting more and more JFK files released. And these files are not something that the deep state wants released. When you have files that the CIA that basically implicate the CIA in a cover up where they're or they're lying the Congress multiple times about the assassination of JFK, that's that's remarkable, really remarkable that that that those documents have been released.

51:38 Speaker 3: So this president, I think is a disclosure president and his office has been has been very.

51:44 Speaker 2: Helpful on this.

51:46 Speaker 1: Okay. Well, with that being said, you know, if if that legislation was our best shot at I don't know if you if you want to call, if it was our best shot at formal transparency, what comes next? Are there backup plans or an alternative route being considered in Congress?

52:12 Speaker 3: Really the only the only chance that we have is the National Defense Authorization Acts. So every you know, every year when that comes forward, which that there's in Congress, there are bills that are called must pass bills, and.

52:25 Speaker 2: Those are generally the only bills that fully make it to the President's desk.

52:29 Speaker 1: Okay.

52:29 Speaker 3: And so what you you, once you realize that and you understand that's the train, you better figure out how to get your you know, get get.

52:38 Speaker 1: On the train, get your ass on it, and get get.

52:40 Speaker 3: Your language on that train. And so that's why we've got Senator Rounds, who is he's he's now going to be putting that language in the bill on the Senate.

52:52 Speaker 2: He's he's the he's really the one driving the charge on the language.

52:57 Speaker 3: And our office has reached out to Center Around's office and said you know, how can we help. We want to we want to do our part from the House side, so we will be trying to get it into.

53:08 Speaker 2: The House's version and he and I believe he will be doing that on the Setate side.

53:13 Speaker 1: Okay, because I you know, I just I have a fear that come mid the mid uh the midterm, that the Republicans will lose the House. They'll keep the Senate, but they'll lose the House, and that any legislation from that point on it just won't It'll just be it'll be dead. It'll be dead, dead on the floor. So do you feel that you're up against the clock? Kind of yes?

53:44 Speaker 3: Okay, fair and really kind of with this with this White House as well. I mean that that is, assuming we we win the midterms and we're able to keep the House, we still we've only got so much time with this president, and so we while we've got someone that's favorable of disclosure, we've got to pounce on it. And so I would just encourage everyone in the UAP community to do whatever you can, through social media or otherwise to remind the White House that this is an important topic. And look, Donald Trump has got a lot of irons in the fire.

54:20 Speaker 3: Okay, he's trying to solve global conflicts all over the world. He's trying to renegotiate trade trade deals with every nation on the planet. He's completely reformed our tax code with the One Big Beautiful Bill, completely reformed our energy exploration system and a process, completely reformed manufacturing in the United States. So, as you can imagine, he's got a lot of irons in the fire. This topic is not necessarily top of mind, and so we have to make it top of mind.

55:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think and you because I think that not a lot of people want in the UFO community. I don't think a lot of people want to talk about this. But I think the people that control the Epstein's, the Ditties and and are honey potting and you know, uh and trapping world leaders, politicians, uh, people of influence. What are the chances the same people that are doing that are also obvious skating the truth and have that technology of non human origin and they're the ones that are suppressing it.

55:42 Speaker 1: What are the chances that's the same person, you know, figuratively, the same person who would run the Epstein's and Ditties, same person who runs the obviouscation of the truth on UFOs. I think it's highly likely we're dealing with the same thing all.

55:59 Speaker 2: To maybe maybe I don't know, Oh.

56:04 Speaker 1: All right, but a plan of the seed, that's all right, well we'll see. I I just it's it's it's almost like I don't I don't know, because we talk about the deep state.

56:16 Speaker 3: And it would be nice and comedia and kind of a clean way of addressing if there was one one villain, but I would I doubt it.

56:24 Speaker 2: I doubt it.

56:25 Speaker 1: Well, okay, that's a little bit of oversimplification. I mean, the deep state, whoever's controlling whoever, because I think, you know, Daniel in a way said it best. You know, there there is a an apparatus out there that has its own fundraising mechanisms, its own army, its own agenda, and it operates outside the law. So I don't know. One plus one, you know, is starting to look like two to me. Whether Terrence Howard agrees or not.

56:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there could be I mean, look, there's just some commonalities amongst just just the political nature of things.

57:02 Speaker 2: One is one is that.

57:05 Speaker 3: Information is power, and so if you have if you feel like you're the only individual or group that has information that's job security, that that's making sure that you're the king of your little mountain, and you don't want to you don't want to lose that. Sometimes that I think that that was the motivation or can be the motivation if even for members of Congress, particularly if you're a committee chairman, you don't want anybody taking on anything even close to your topic or purview of your committee because that's a loss of control and power.

57:38 Speaker 2: You might as well not be the chair of that topic.

57:41 Speaker 3: So the same thing has to be you know, it has to be the same thing within the deep state. But I would also say a commonality to just never discredit is the ineptitude and the lack of will or or effort of government employees. Yeah, because you know, like I, I really think that one of the reasons why we don't have everything we are you and I would think that there would be out there about Epstein is because it's just that they they haven't done.

58:14 Speaker 2: The work to get the information right they.

58:18 Speaker 3: I truly think, for example, on the UAP topic, there's there's it to some extent, there's just not the time or energy or motivation. And so because of that, the posture. I'm saying this very well could be the scenario is that the government just that because they haven't done the homework, they haven't done the work to even really know what these things are. They their posture is to just be mum, because they it's better to act like you don't know, right, and or that then to admit that you haven't done you haven't done the.

58:53 Speaker 1: Work, the actual homework. Right. No, it's a very very good good way to say it. So, uh, that kind of a good, kind of a good little segue here. So eli at quint essence eli on X asks Congressman Burlison on the Event Horizon show hosted by John Michael Goat Guttier, Former acting Arrow director Tim Phillips revealed that Arrow had discovered a classified version of an MJ twelve crash retrieval document. Former Arrow director Sean Kirkpatrick downplayed it, saying it might be a public version, but also admitted it could be something entirely unfamiliar to him to add context.

59:36 Speaker 1: Not long after Phillips began speaking publicly, including that interview, his detail to Arrow, he was terminated. So, with Rep. Luna now leading a congressional task force focused on declassifying federal secrets, including UAP materials. Are you aware of this document and would you support efforts to have it reviewed?

59:56 Speaker 3: And yeah, absolutely would support efforts get access to this document.

1:00:01 Speaker 1: Yeah that was long winded, but yeah, I had heard he'd mentioned that to me, and I started doing some digging, and what are your thoughts on m J twelve and that that side of the Loretic.

1:00:18 Speaker 3: The Majestic twelve is It's an interesting it's an interesting it is time and history. So yeah, anything that we can get that has not been released, I'm happy that I want to get access to. Yeah, make it disclosed to your show, total disclosure.

1:00:41 Speaker 2: I'm going to clear that, got it.

1:00:42 Speaker 3: And then you know MJ the m J twelve, the Majestic twelve. How long ago was that that was?

1:00:48 Speaker 2: We're talking what the fifties and fifties?

1:00:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, fifties and sixties.

1:00:52 Speaker 2: So I mean at some point, this is the same thing with the JFK files. At some point.

1:00:57 Speaker 3: Okay, it's seventy and seventy years. Let's I mean, how long is it going to take? I hope it's not gonna take seventy years to find out what happened with Epstein or seventy years to find out what's happening today with UAP, I mean, and so the least we can ask for is what happened in the forties and fifties and sixties.

1:01:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, I think that some of the stuff that is a little bit older is with the growing advancement in AI, and you know, just like deep fakes, and I think the older cases are going to become especially the ones with a lot of evidence, like whether it be physical, testimonial or all of the above, those ones are only going to increase in value.

1:01:44 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, because they're legit. You know that they weren't fake, they weren't created.

1:01:48 Speaker 1: By AI before time.

1:01:51 Speaker 2: I think we're getting.

1:01:52 Speaker 3: Ready to enter into just an absolute goofy time in world history where you're no one's gonna no one's gonna have any kind of level of certainty on anything, because so it's going to be so easy to fake things. Look, I'm getting phone calls from individuals that.

1:02:11 Speaker 2: Are being impersonated.

1:02:13 Speaker 3: Rick Crawford, the Intelligence Chairman, I had multiple phone calls where a person was impersonating him. I had phone calls where they're impersonating the chiefest staffs of the White House. Her voice was on, I have a voicemail from her, and it's not her.

1:02:30 Speaker 2: And so this we're going to get weirder and goofier. And right now probably it's.

1:02:36 Speaker 3: Only being you know, because we're more high profile, we're getting targeted. But it's just get ready. I mean, the world is going to get really goofy. And with that in mind, all of these historical photos and videos are going to be are going to have a lot more value and legitimacy, which is why in the hearing that I had with Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, knowing that he's the NASA that he's now at the administrator over NASA as well, one of my questions was based on Michael Gold's question or what he said whenever we had a hearing with Michael Gold, that NASA has a vast amount of information or photos, videos, just an.

1:03:18 Speaker 2: Archive, a vast archive of.

1:03:21 Speaker 3: Videos that we should they should turn over to some kind of effort, whether it's nonprofit or create an effort within NASA to use AI to go over to just view and comb through all of that, all of those thousands upon thousands, probably tens of thousands of note hundreds of thousands of hours of video footage and in looking for what might be a UAP.

1:03:51 Speaker 1: I by the way, I just wanted to commend you on your resilience and bringing that up at that moment, because you know, I just like I said, you're you're you're really becoming a one. Uh, whether you like it or not. I think Burchette held that title for a while, but I think you're slowly becoming the the member of Congress that leads is leading the charge on this. So thank you for representing every.

1:04:18 Speaker 2: In the way they this topic.

1:04:23 Speaker 3: And I love that guy. I don't want to take that crown from him. I'm doing my dutiful role and just kind of beating beating the bushes and trying to trying to help.

1:04:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you do you? I mean, so, do you Luna and Burchett? Do you guys or you know, do you guys have a plan in place for say, okay, let me rephrase this because that was a little jumbled. Do you guys as a as a trio, do you guys like talk privately about your thoughts? Because I think a lot of people think that Congress is it's really just like in office, right it's it's it's these inter hallway conversations. But it seems like you guys are are friendly in the regular world too, So I mean, do you guys ever talk about this, like just personally?

1:05:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Tim and Anna and I are very good friends and so we In fact, Anna often sits next to Tim Burchett.

1:05:31 Speaker 2: You know, he's got a particular.

1:05:33 Speaker 3: Spot on the house floor that he always sits in, and I'm in that general vicinity too, and the three of us are you know during voting sessions that we have a lot of conversations during voting while we're waiting, while we're sitting there waiting between votes, we have a lot of conversations on this topic.

1:05:50 Speaker 1: I would and I think that's what I thought I would think, because like, I feel like people don't really understand like, uh, you know, government work, and even in the military, it's a lot of hurry up and wait. So you have a lot of time on your hands usually, and it's like, you know, how do you feel the time? Is that why you guys have gotten so vigorous on this topic, is you know you want the answers because you guys do the homework, and it seems like that's the case. So on. On total disclosure, we often explore how the UFO phenomena intersect with consciousness and spirituality.

1:06:28 Speaker 1: What do you believe there's a connection between UAPs and human consciousness and how might disclosure reshape you know, our spiritual or philosophical framework.

1:06:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm a I'm a born again Christian. I think that.

1:06:47 Speaker 3: I think it actually for people that are Christians. The first thought about this is that if the if we were to discover that there were these beings that are coming here from an extra dimension, it would it would rock their world for view. But the truth is that's what the Bible describes, the Bible and the Old Testament describes, you know, extraterrestrial beings.

1:07:14 Speaker 2: It's called angels that come for it.

1:07:17 Speaker 3: So I don't think that it should rock anybody's worldview if if there was to be some kind of revelation and the world discovers that these things do exist. It is interesting how often spirituality in some form is brought up.

1:07:38 Speaker 2: I would say consistent. It's consistently brought up.

1:07:42 Speaker 3: And most people who come to me and tell me stories about their encounters often that they're either.

1:07:52 Speaker 2: They are communicating in.

1:07:54 Speaker 3: A way where they're not using you know, they're not speaking directly, there's no there's no real audio. They're just they're just being given a message through there through their mind, or they're using their mind in some cases like mister bloedsin to like to communicate.

1:08:10 Speaker 2: Our or or direct the UFO.

1:08:14 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:08:15 Speaker 2: Right, So there's there's quite a bit of that. And then I'm that that keeps coming up and again. But I have not had any kind of personal encounter.

1:08:26 Speaker 1: With So do you think that, uh, that maybe science should look more into consciousness and you working towards towards you know, some sort of advancement in uh, you know, ourselves, advancement in our evolution. You know, there was anywhere to be looked at.

1:08:49 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that it's I think that.

1:08:53 Speaker 3: To me, it's pseudoscience until until unless we get close to it and it becomes real, I think that it's.

1:09:02 Speaker 2: It's science that's not If that.

1:09:04 Speaker 3: Is true, it's well beyond the what we're our capabilities of measuring and right discovering.

1:09:11 Speaker 2: And so this is this.

1:09:13 Speaker 3: Would have to be something that would be revealed if it were true from at this point in time, given our technology, it would.

1:09:22 Speaker 2: Have to be revealed to us through a like some form of non human.

1:09:25 Speaker 3: Intelligence, right, so I just don't see us like we're you know, you got Elon Musk doing the neural Lenk.

1:09:34 Speaker 2: Right now.

1:09:35 Speaker 3: That's like, but that's pretty physical hardware connected to people's you know, connecting a chip somebody's circuitry in their brain. And that's like the cutting edge stuff that we're doing today.

1:09:48 Speaker 2: It's hard to believe that we would be.

1:09:50 Speaker 3: Able to come up with some some other form of that where you don't even have some kind of physical connection or some translator that would translate this aw into some.

1:10:00 Speaker 2: Kind of broadcast. I think we're a long ways from that.

1:10:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I would. I would agree with you think. You know, I look at I look at humanity, and if you kind of dig into it, I think we've stopped evolving physically and and the evolutionary state I think probably would be our brains because we're the apex predator of the of the planet. So and you know, nothing's challenging us physically anymore. So you know, where would the next evolutionary state take place, whether that's emerging with technology or a raising of your consciousness. Uh, I think that would be the next step logically, And I mean it could explain why the grays look like that, and and we could be headed that way.

1:10:55 Speaker 1: It could always be that outway. That's very very loosely said.

1:11:03 Speaker 2: Right, that's that's just to me, that's speculation.

1:11:07 Speaker 1: Of course, naturally, I mean it's it's all speculation at this point. But all right, I I totally and I do understand. I consciousness is a weird one because you start asking people about it and whether.

1:11:20 Speaker 3: It is to me, it's goofy. It just kind of but it keeps, but it keeps coming up.

1:11:28 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you.

1:11:31 Speaker 3: When when when this when people start talking about using their brain to to control or call in a UFO, I have to like it.

1:11:40 Speaker 2: Just it's it's a leap for me, and I'm highly skeptical of that. But you know what I mean, I'm not going to be judging people.

1:11:51 Speaker 3: That's why I'm willing to you if you want to show me, I'm happy to I'm happy to go out with you and and see if we can't call in a Ufoh.

1:12:04 Speaker 1: What it's good to be like Like you said, I think it's good for to be a healthy kind of skeptic because you're going to be if if someone can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that something's happening to you, that's going to go a further way, a longer way than if they were to prove it to someone like Chris Bloodsoe already kind of you know, knows it or believes it. So and that's as I do.

1:12:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, now, what I'm not gonna do It takes some kind of psychedelic that I think that or like good in some kind of trans state. I mean, and personally I'm not trying to do any of this myself either, but that's I do hear that that's what some of this activity is. And look, I mean if you're in a if you're if you're impaired through some form of drug, how do you even how?

1:12:56 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how.

1:12:57 Speaker 3: You can ascertain that what you're seeing is really there. So that's just something I'm not going to participate in. If if asked, if.

1:13:06 Speaker 1: I just wanted to understood, yeah, no, totally. I mean because there are people like Gallum we're doing studies about extended d mt US and trying to map that world. Uh, you know, I've been there and I can assure you you don't have to go there. I can try to tell you as best I can that it is. It feels as real as this right here, if not more real. I'm actually color blind, and I was seeing colors. I don't know if they exist all the time, but I was seeing colors that that I'd never seen before in my life, and I haven't seen since, so I don't know.

1:13:52 Speaker 1: I definitely went somewhere else and there was another being. There was a being there. It was a cloaked figure. When walked up to it, it looked at me. I looked at it. No words were spoken, but I knew that this thing, It's like, what are you doing here? You're not supposed to be here. And I remember getting upset with the being the thing, like who are you to tell me I can't be here? And then boom snapped back to my earthly body. And I mean, I'm a skeptic. I'm skeptical like you, you know, I'm very trying to see it, see it, to believe it, and that it was just it was the craziest experience I've ever had.

1:14:45 Speaker 1: And it was fifteen minutes, and it felt like I went somewhere else. I mean truly, So I would just say, you know, h I think there's something to explore there. Then that maybe not what your job is. You know, that's not where you want to focus. And that's okay.

1:15:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll leave that to you.

1:15:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and and and and you know, again, it's it's kind of dicey even talking about it, because again it's it's not the most legal thing. Uh. So many Americans are feeling disillusioned. Uh. They hear congressional testimony whistleblowers like David Grush, but no follow up. What do you say to people that are losing faith in the process.

1:15:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how you say that there's no follow up. I mean I basically spent the last.

1:15:37 Speaker 3: Two years following up and and now not getting to a lot of dead ends. But but but look, I mean, we we're doing as much work as we possibly can, and I and I.

1:15:51 Speaker 2: Think that we do.

1:15:52 Speaker 3: I think right now I feel probably more confident that we're going to get some answers than we have before that I have before. But I'm starting to see a loosening of the swamp, if you will. Like I'm starting to see things like different postures and different attitudes when we're when we're making these requests than before. So I do think that the the the climate right now is much better than it was two years ago.

1:16:20 Speaker 1: Wells, I think that's fair. And and when I said no follow up, I just mean, well, that's I don't Yeah, I don't mean that to you.

1:16:28 Speaker 2: I know, Yeah, And that's what I look. I get it. Like I'm frustrated too.

1:16:33 Speaker 3: I would love for this to just be over and to have definitively and be able to say, my god, it's real and but but but that's not where I'm at. So we're just going to keep going and keep researching it figure out what it is.

1:16:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I again, I I do commend you. I really do. And if you could, if you could get

1:16:56 Speaker 1: one straight answer from the intelligence community with zero O obstruction, what question would you ask?

1:17:06 Speaker 3: What I would what I want to see is I want to see physically either a crash vehicle or or the bodies. I'd want to That's that if I could get one thing, That's what I would want is to have be able to see that firsthand. Because to me, even just getting testimony, if I if I had if I had a briefing and and they just you know, disclosed information. Look, I've been in a skiff where people have said things, but at the end of the day, it's their narrative and it's their experience. So I think that I want to see if we have real tangible physical photos or videos or or objects.

1:17:54 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:17:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and so do you do you or in your opinion, is the one truth or data point? Oh okay, I'm sorry, I read past that. What in your opinion is the one truth or data point that, if made public, could fundamentally shift the conversation on the UAP subject. Is it what you just said?

1:18:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because that's at the end of the day. Until you get to that point, it's all just additional stories.

1:18:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I will agree. And I think that's what the public wants, is they want some of this thing. They want they it rolled out onto the Congressional floor in the in the Longfellow Building and and you know, passed around the room. That's what people are really I think it's gonna take eventually, you know. And and I don't think that that's I don't think that that's realistic right now. I don't. I don't know why, but I just I don't so, I mean, it is interesting. If

1:19:07 Speaker 1: we'll see, you've had many people come to you now, I'm sure, like you've said in this interview several times, now, you're getting people coming up to you probably all the time telling you stories of their own encounters. Is there anything that is there any one in particular that sticks out with you and you don't have to give names, but is there anything that really sticks out to you that is like that's weird.

1:19:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, again, I'll just this comes from my like, it's interesting how often again it comes up, the spiritual connection spoken with one individual that is completely anonymous and it wants to remain that way. Who has been providing valuable information to the federal government, which is why I got connected to him? And he says that he has what he describes as these beings that are inter intra or extra dimensional, that are sending him a message through some form of broadcast that he's able to receive and it has changed his worldview.

1:20:22 Speaker 3: He went from being a went from being a you know, he's you know, of Jewish faith to being he was an atheist before this, before these encounters happened, and through these encounters learned that the the that the that the narrative about Jesus is real, and suddenly started, you know, without having read the Bible, started because of what he was being communicated, started started believing that. And so, which which I found to be extremely interesting. That was a very it was a very different conversation than I've ever had before.

1:21:04 Speaker 2: But but I.

1:21:06 Speaker 3: Do get some you know, we've had some very Michael Herrera had a meeting with him. He's got a very interesting story that he's mostly public.

1:21:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had him on the show here. Yeah, so and and and you know, kind of the reverse side of that, which I find, you know, to be really really crazy, was the Jake Barber story, you know, because it was the other side of the Herrera story. And you know, I don't know if you heard about this, but Jake Barber, you know, when he was retrieving some sort of vehicle, he said that an orb passed through his body and and again this is his narrative, but the orb passed through his body and he had this overwhelming like he was like crying, like couldn't hold back the tears, like it just he felt like engulfed and love and positivity.

1:22:01 Speaker 1: And that's similar to like what Chris Bloodshell says as well. So, I mean you and and you know, you just put these things together and it's pretty wild.

1:22:13 Speaker 2: Yeah it is.

1:22:14 Speaker 3: That's definitely important. And it's like, look, it's their experience. It's and it's not something that they have evidence of. It's just it's once again. But but yeah, it's You've got a lot of people that have had some interesting encounters. I'll tell you at the end of the day, Like I my some people ask me why are you doing this? And look, if you look at my bandwidth and what we're working on. I'm doing everything from like studying small module and nuclear reactors how we can like deregulate some of those so that we can you know, advance our manufacturing industry.

1:22:48 Speaker 2: I'm looking at.

1:22:50 Speaker 3: Regulations related to the EPA, looking at regulations that affect our transportation, infrastructure and and and have a lot of bills related to a lot of topics that that are extremely extremely important to our economy and our society and businesses and individual rights in the United States. I fight for a lot of Second Amendment topics. You do, and so but but I'll tell you that, I mean when people say, well, look, why focus on this, it's a there's money being spent, b this may be a national security issue of great importance.

1:23:31 Speaker 3: And then and then see it's also it's really interesting. I'll tell you, like I've never it's never boring. Having a conversation where someone says the extra dimensional beings are talking to through him is pretty it's not your every.

1:23:49 Speaker 2: Day right, And that was not that was not a conversation I had before. Get you know, getting in this.

1:23:55 Speaker 1: Job so right, right, and as a member of Congress, like I can't even imagine being elected as into being a member of Congress. And then all of a sudden, you're you're you're leading the charge for UAPs, which I mean in our last conversation, I believe maybe I'm misquoting you, but you didn't really have like too much of a thought on it before all of this.

1:24:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, this was not something I mean, yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't a priority. It was being in this Oversight committee, having that first hearing with David Grush is what kind of launched me on this trail.

1:24:37 Speaker 3: And look, I my attitude is if we're going to do it, let's do it. And that's why I kind of kind of jumped in and kind of tried to at least push because I don't. What became clear to me is that this is never going to go anywhere. No one's ever going to get any answers given the posture that we have today or back.

1:24:56 Speaker 2: In two years ago.

1:24:58 Speaker 3: And so if if you're gonna get any make any headway, you've got to be aggressive, got to get heads down and push do I've got just a little bit more time, but I need to.

1:25:11 Speaker 2: Jump off here.

1:25:12 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so I'll start wrapping up. I. I do appreciate your time. I really do. I you're one of the coolest people. Do you think that a lot of the I mean, there's a lot going on in the world right now, you know, conflict in other countries, you know, uh, everything that's going on geopolitically, it seems very volatile. Uh. Do you think that that stuff does need to be solved prior to any disclosure or can it be something that ends up uniting the world.

1:25:51 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, we have a large federal government.

1:25:54 Speaker 3: There's no reason why we can't do both, right, So they can't focus on let the Secretary state and let let this you know, that division that that branch and and their efforts deal with the you know, diplomacy with other countries. But at the end of the day, we've we've got people that are already investigating this, We've got intelligence within the intelligence community, they've got information. We there's no reason why we can't we can't address both both.

1:26:24 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and and lastly, if there's anything that that you want people to walk away with knowing you know, what would that be from from your involvement in this topic, what what do you want to walk away have them walk away with from tonight's conversation.

1:26:45 Speaker 3: What I want people to know is like that this is we're not going to get anywhere unless people get out and push. Right so the car imagine this way, the car is stalled and you're going to have to get out and push.

1:26:59 Speaker 2: Maybe we can get it kickstarted.

1:27:02 Speaker 3: But if but what I mean by that is you gotta start reaching out.

1:27:06 Speaker 2: You got to like use social media, you gotta.

1:27:07 Speaker 3: Start demanding yep, from from elected officials all the way up to the White House. Make it a priority. Make it clear that this is a priority to you. Otherwise people know there's no one's gonna spend any time on it. And anybody that is like myself is questioned as to why you're spending time on.

1:27:25 Speaker 1: This absolutely representative. Thank you so much for spending uh, you know, this time with me today, and I really look forward to seeing you, you know, when the hearings do happen. I'll definitely be there and uh, you know, I hope to be able to talk to you then and pull you guys aside, uh and if you guys need anything and pointing in the right direction. There's several people that, uh that I know of that could be of use to you, uh in terms of direct knowledge. So I just want to say again, thank you and thank you for everyone being here.

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1:28:17 Speaker 2: Tyler.

1:28:18 Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk so