Drew Miller- Retired USAF Colonel on The Dangers Of A.I and Rising Geopolitical Tension

0:34 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to Total Disclosure, where we expose government secrets, false flags, UFOs, and the hidden threats to humanity. Oh I just touched something. I'm your host, Ty Roberts, and tonight's guest is doctor Drew Miller, retired US Air Force colonel, former Pentagon senior executive, Harvard, PhD and a founder of Fortitude Ranch, American largest survival community. With his intelligence and strategic background, he knows what's coming and why the public isn't being told. So we'll cover practical preparedness, government corruption, close ups, cover ups, close ups, what the hell I can't read my own writing anymore, engineer crisis, and the big one, how UFO's non human intelligence and potential disclosure could trigger that very societal collapse.

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1:57 Speaker 1: With that being said, I want to introduce doctor Drew Miller.

2:08 Speaker 1: Do people do people gag on the doctor Drew part?

2:13 Speaker 2: No, I go by Drew, so.

2:16 Speaker 1: No, no one's no one's calling you doctor Drew. And then and trying to trying to confuse people.

2:22 Speaker 2: Most people use colonel if they don't use Drew.

2:25 Speaker 1: But I like that. I like that, colonel, Colonel Miller. So well, thank you for being here. I want to start off by saying, with any military veteran, I do come from a large, you know, military service family, So thank you, thank you for everything that you've done, and you know, thank you for your service to this country first and foremost.

2:49 Speaker 2: Sure it's an honartist.

2:50 Speaker 1: Or absolutely and uh so, I obviously want to start by getting you to tell us a little bit about your your background. I mean, as a retire Air Force colonel intelligence officer, kind of gone veteran and PhD and operations research, what experience first led you to focus on, you know, societal preparedness and you know, should there be a haste to it. I just want to get a little feel for where you are.

3:21 Speaker 3: Sure well as an intelligence off serge I mentioned in the Air Force have always been very well aware of the threats. And when I was back in in the days of the Soviet Union and when the Silviet Union fell, they declared a peace dividend cut military spending, unfortunately eliminated wiped out all of our battlefield nuclear weapons. And they thought, oh, you know, Chief peace, now we have perpetual peace going forward. And I knew that was just nonsense because the threats are growing, and they're growing largely because of technology.

3:50 Speaker 3: Yes, China is a threat, but China is the threat of our own making because we're interfering in their civil war with Taiwan. And they'd made it absolutely clear for over half the sime entry by Wan is theirs. They are correct and they will take it back. And US vowing to defend Taiwan is the thing causing our troubles with China. But it's the new technologies, bioengineering, nanotechnology, all kinds of new technologies that increase the ability of individuals, not a nation state, not even a terrorist group.

4:20 Speaker 3: Individuals today can develop weapons of mass destruction, something that could wipe out not just millions, but billions are potentially most of our species, and that trend is just getting much much worse now because of artificial intelligence. I'm not talking about superintelligent artificial intelligence. I'm talking about existing artificial intelligence. It's being used as we speak to develop new bioengineered viruses, doing all kinds of great work in medicine. But also you can be one hundred percent confident that North Korea and Russia and China and Iraq and terrorist groups and just nutty individuals who, for example, think they're too many humans on the planet need to wind us out to save the planet.

5:03 Speaker 3: You know, they're going to use those tools to do bioengineering to develop human the human transmissible H five N one or some other bioengineered virus, so that could kill us all. So we're in a bad state in terms of threats and glad to talk about them on your program.

5:22 Speaker 1: Well, and I I mean, how serious should people be taking this? I mean, I think a lot of people get a bad rap for being a quote unquote prepper, right like someone who's but I don't necessarily think that it's It's not a bad thing to be prepared for something. I'd rather be prepared and not use it than to not be prepared and have to have it. So to have some basic supplies built like you know, built up and you know put away, and you know routes that you might take given a certain thing happening, because it's not all like just foreign state actors and that kind of stuff.

6:09 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean with with with the climate and the way it is. You know, natural disasters are happening, you know, all the time, so you know, with the rising geopolitical tensions accompanied with you know, whether you want to call it global warming or just climate change in general, I think the Earth is going through changes, you know, through its whole life, and we're just going into a little tumultuous period. You know. We I think we ought to be ready. We owe it to our families to be ready for anything.

6:42 Speaker 1: Pretty much absolutely.

6:44 Speaker 3: I mean, our planet has experienced at least we think sticks not we me, but geologists people have studied this. Yeah, we've already been through six collapsed disasters caused primarily either asteroid strikes or super volcano explosions. And it's not just that it's a bad day if you're near where it happens, near Crown zero but all this debris gets thrun up into the atmosphere of the smoke blocks the sun for maybe a year, maybe several years, and then all the plants and then all the animals that need the plants to survive die off.

7:17 Speaker 3: So we've already had mass extinction events. We could still have super volcano explosions.

7:22 Speaker 1: Yellow I was literally just I was just gonna say Yellowstone, Yes, is one of them.

7:29 Speaker 3: There's several others, several others around the Earth that could cause you know, winter that lasts for years and crop failure, massive starvation. And so that's just two of them. We track over fifty trigger events that could cause a collapse. So asteroids and super volcanoes are or two of the fifty.

7:47 Speaker 2: But it's more and more.

7:48 Speaker 3: It's new technology, so it's not just you know, nation States and nuclear war with Russia. North Korea, for example, it doesn't have a very good nuclear force, it's not very big, it's definitely not accurate. But North Korea has the capability to launch low yield, high EMP effect electro magnetic pulse weapons that could explode high in the atmosphere over the US. They do not need to be accurate. They just need to detonate somewhere high in the atmosphere over the US, and that's it for our electric grid.

8:18 Speaker 3: It would be destroyed. And when I say destroyed, I don't mean destroyed for weeks or even months. I mean destroyed for years. And the EMP Commission, chartered by Congress, the NP Commission, studied this threat and concluded that you could lose ninety percent of the US population because when the grid goes down, nothing works. I mean, you said you're in Boston, while I guarantee you there's no municipal water systems working in any big city when the grid goes down, so you have no water. So that gives you thirty days to find another source of water.

8:47 Speaker 3: Good luck with that. But the biggest thing is people will start to death. People aren't going to go to work, food isn't going to be produced, and people will start to death. And most people aren't just going to stay at home, you know, and quietly politely are to death.

9:00 Speaker 2: When you're when you're.

9:01 Speaker 3: Starving to death, you'll go out to steel and if necessarily, kill to survive.

9:06 Speaker 2: So the marauder.

9:06 Speaker 3: Threat is kind of the worst I should probably define for you when I say a collapse I mean two things. Number one, the economy is not functioning, largely because people aren't going to work. And number two, there's widespread, long lasting, long order loss of law and order. That's a collapse. And preppers have known about this, you know, for decades. But more and more people are becoming preppers. The estimate now is one and third. And I guarantee you that you know preppers. But the first rule of prepping is don't tell anyone you're a prepper.

9:35 Speaker 3: You don't want them to know that. Hey, if you go to Tys South, the basement's full of food, great place to break in place in a collapse, So you keep that confidential. So people know preppers, it's just you don't know their preppers if they're good ones. And the recent preppers have a bad image is a completely as anine TV show on called Doomsday Preppers, you know, decade plus ago. No rational, normal prepper is going to invite you into the the house and show you here's my secret storage. So the only people that came on that show were not normal preppers.

10:07 Speaker 3: They were idiots, and then the show made them look that way. Our Fortitude Ranch we have you know, a thousand members and they are doctors, they are former military, a lot of former law enforces. We have a lot of former and current intelligence officers, people in homeland security. That's our membership, smart professionals who recognize that threat is out there. And also the society can break down really quickly. And by the way, you don't even need to have a disaster to trigger a collapse nowadays with social media.

10:37 Speaker 3: I mean, if a lot of people just start breaking the law and looting, it can spread. That happened in the United Kingdom in twenty eleven they had four days of violence and in Portland, Oregon. I mean we saw that a year or so ago, where just a night after night protests going on. And the people may have had legitimate reasons to protest, but the point is whenever you have a big protest going on, the police are overwhelmed. People know that and they start looting and stuff like that can spread and multiply, and if it goes into other cities, you could have a collapse where there is no trigger event, it just starts and then spreads.

11:11 Speaker 3: So our society is just you know, thundergree we are in a civil war. I mean, you already have widespread breaking of laws. Most counties in the United States have sheriffs, in some cases county boards too, but sheriffs who refuse to enforce gun laws because they believed they're unconstitutional.

11:30 Speaker 2: You have.

11:31 Speaker 3: So that's on the conservative, kind of rural side. On the other side, you got liberals, liberal Democrats, and big cities who are refusing federal immigration laws, you know, helping their citizens evade capture, subverting federal law enforcement. That's another form of civil disorder. And a lot of experts say that, you know, we're kind of in the early stages of the civil war. Ray Dalyo, he's the founder of Bridgewater Capital, probably one of the most smartest person's live that he's made a future by predicting future events, and he's estimated that the likelihood of US civil war is over fifty percent.

12:08 Speaker 3: So there's a good chance you're going to have that and could be triggered by almost anything. You know, there's a big protest against Trump. His supporters fight back, it escalates out of control. I mean history is full of that. I mean, do you remember what started World War One? I'll put you on the spot.

12:24 Speaker 1: What started World War What?

12:26 Speaker 2: What started World War One? What was the spark for.

12:28 Speaker 1: That, wasn't it Jesus what I'm obviously now blanking.

12:38 Speaker 3: But well, it's a trivial thing, so I'd be surprised if you remember there was an assassination of an arch duke, a minor arch duke in Serbia, and then the Austrians and the Germans and the French and the British reacted to it.

12:52 Speaker 2: Things got out of hand.

12:53 Speaker 3: It was very irrational, but it developed into World War One, which is the irrational reasons.

13:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, to a large degree.

13:01 Speaker 3: Yes, that set a Hitler and you know, the Nazi rise to power set up World War two. So things happen for very irrational reasons. So we think, and we don't. We just think.

13:12 Speaker 2: We have a model.

13:13 Speaker 3: It's called the probably if collapse model. I developed at about ten years ago. I presented it in a Military Operations Research Society symposium and then we updated it about two years ago. We asked a lot of experts questions about what's the likelihood of things like a H five N one pandemic happening. What's the likelihood of an alien invasion? That's another thing we track, and then we then we ask them both this happens at this triggerment screes, what's the likely that'll likelihood that it'll escalate into a collapse.

13:41 Speaker 3: I mean, if you have a minor hurricane or even a major hurricane, that's a local thing that's not likely to.

13:47 Speaker 1: Develop, that'll stay of localized to that region.

13:50 Speaker 3: But this model adds it all up, gets in put some experts in. Our latest estimate is that the annual probability of a collapse disaster is it's highly uncertain. It's where we estimate it from sixteen to fifty seven percent every year. It's not low. I mean it is absolutely not low. Probably even asteroid strike, yeah that's low. But with fifty plus trigger events that could cause a collapse, you know, you could have a bad economic recession, depression that leads to people revolting. There's a lot of ways you could get to a collapse.

14:23 Speaker 3: And our estimate is it's anywhere from sixteen to fifty seven percent. It's not one percent, it's not two percent. It's double digit up to high double digit. And artificial intelligence makes almost everything worse because you know, I know how to make H five N one mammal to mammal transmissible because your tax payer dollars were used to do that. H five N one used to be called bird flu. Don't call it bird flu anymore because it's not just in birds. It's in over fifty mammal populations around the world, and it will eventually be human human contagious and partly because your taxpayer dollars did what's called gain of function research.

15:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they made H five N one mammal to mammal transmissible. And not only did they do the research successfully, they published how.

15:13 Speaker 2: They did it. Yeah, and it was not Chrisper technology. It was a low tech means. Those idiots published it. What do you they could help Korea or terrorists or anyone do it. What do you think?

15:23 Speaker 3: It's completely irresponsible? Our government is leading us into a collapse. I've got a book coming out called Preparing to Survive in the Age of Collapse, and one of the chapters details thirty examples of how government is. Our government is killing us now and setting us up for a real disaster in a collapse.

15:46 Speaker 1: Is it of your okay? Kind of a scoop back, just a tad we just went obviously in twenty twenty. God, I don't even want to say the names because I don't want to get the video taken down by the the thing in twenty twenty the COVID. Did you see that as an accident that maybe was let like, hey it leaked, Let it happen and we can kind of like do a case study and you know, use this for our eventual you know, because a lot of people think that the like you said, the government is gearing us up for something, whatever that might be.

16:30 Speaker 1: You know, draw the question mark. But it seemed like the pandemic was some sort of dry run in how you can control society given the right parameters.

16:41 Speaker 3: That's I mentioned we have thirty examples how government is killing us. That's one of the thirty examples. Because the United States government, this is completely fact, so no one can censor you for this.

16:53 Speaker 2: The United States.

16:54 Speaker 3: Government funded gave money to the Wuhan Institute in On, China to do biological gain of function research.

17:04 Speaker 2: We did it, and then there was taxpayer dollars.

17:06 Speaker 3: Our taxpayer dollars were used for that. China is you know, we're not at war with them, but you know they're kind of on our potential enemy list to be funding biological search, right, It's just it's insane.

17:21 Speaker 2: If it's something set you know, Ron Paul Center ro On.

17:24 Speaker 3: Paul gets credit for getting this out because it was denied by the CDC, by Fauci. They denied this for a long time, but eventually the facts came out. They did do that. Ram Paul Center. Paul kept pressing them over and over in Congress, would call them in and it's an absolute fact.

17:40 Speaker 2: We gave money.

17:42 Speaker 3: The United States government gave money to the one institute to gain a function research. It's just incredible. Why our government would do that. Why would they be so responsible is because they don't give a crap about protecting our lives. It's all about re election votes. And they had people who wanted to do the research. Some of it was banned over here. They said, oh, we'll get other countries to do it, and that's what they do. They applied to another example I'll give you, which is more fits them with your UAP focuses.

18:10 Speaker 3: You know, why in the hell is our government sending probes out into space with maps on the side of them showing, hey, we're the third planet from the Sun. Here's where our solis are to help foreign civilizations find out exactly.

18:26 Speaker 2: Where we are. Can you imagine why would you do such a damn dumb thing. Would you do it because it's good for my benefit or for my survival?

18:34 Speaker 3: Hell no, there's like, as you know, there's estimated one hundred to three hundred sex tillion planets in the universe. That's the best estimate of astronomers, sextillion. Knowing most of that means that's millions of millions.

18:48 Speaker 2: That's that's a.

18:49 Speaker 3: One or a three followed by not six zeros like a million, it's twenty one zeros, twenty one zeros and sex tillion. So there's very, very, very likely to be other life out there. And you know, Homo sapiens, we're only like three hundred thousand years old. The universe is estimated to be fourteen billion years old, which means we're relative newcomers. So there's a good chance at on these you know, two hundred whatever six tillion other planets where maybe there's thousands, maybe there's a million, Maybe there's more of them that have intelligent life.

19:26 Speaker 3: Odds are their intelligent life is smarter than us, which means if we map out and send singles into space advertising where we are, they can come here and we're like ants or bacteria to them. With their intelligence level, and you know, they could say, oh, great source of fertilizer here, let's mine this planet. Are the side, We're just bad creatures and moral and wipe us out. But for our government, dude's And the reason they do it is because NASA lobbies for money. Astronomers at university they want money, and it's everything Congress and our government does is about re election books, so there's a lobby group for it.

20:08 Speaker 3: They will fund it for votes and support, even if it means it's putting my life at risk. So that's two examples out of thirty that I described in the book Preparing to Survive in the Age of Pups. And then one other thing in there that's important is that the biggest barrier to prepping, the thing that holds forty to ranch back the most is all the gd government regulations, the building codes, the zoning codes. I mean, I got I'll have one hundred and sixty eight one hundred and sixty eight there property in the middle of nowhere, no neighbors.

20:39 Speaker 2: But the government.

20:40 Speaker 3: When I say government, I'm really talking about state Democratic party controlled governments. They don't do it in republican rural areas, but they definitely do it in Democratic Party controlled states, felt that, oh, you can only have one building and one outbuilding on your property because we want to control what you build and how you build.

20:59 Speaker 1: And everything out building. What does that mean?

21:01 Speaker 3: That means you can have like a barn, one barn and one house.

21:05 Speaker 2: That's it.

21:06 Speaker 1: Why do we go what we can build any and on a property that you tech you if you own the property, why.

21:12 Speaker 3: Are they telling you how your stare? Ballasters are the kind of electrical outlets. And it's because it's more jobs for government employees. Government employees vote Democrat. So the goal of Democratic Party is to get as many regulations out there as possible. I call it the perverted triangle in my book, the perverted triangle is well, I you to explain the iron target. The iron triangle is the political science term for businesses and their lobbyists, the bureaucrats that regulate them, and then the congressman on those committees, and that's a bad thing in political science.

21:45 Speaker 3: The iron triangle. Well, we have the perverted triangle. It's still bureaucrats, government bureaucrats, and career politicians. They're the worst of the three. But the third one is lawyers. That's the other thing that's destroyed our government and our society is eventually going to lead us being wiped out. We want more The Democrats want more regulations because it's more jobs and more money for lawyers, the trial attorney lawyers. Again, that's another huge supporter of the Democratic Party, and so they're always trying to pass more laws, more regulations.

22:19 Speaker 3: It's more jobs for the government bureaucrats, it's more lawsuits and income for the lawyers. And those people vote and support the Democratic Party elected officials, and the Republicans really aren't much better. They do the same thing. They violate our constitution, will sell almost anything for a vote.

22:37 Speaker 1: Look at that. I mean the fact that I was looking into this before the show because I knew you're coming on and I wanted to have some stuff that I just found out that we are one of the only countries, if not the only country, that allows our enemies light or and again I put China as a quote unquote enemy because like you said, you know, we're not in like a hot war with them or anything, but we're the Chinese are buying up land right next to our most sensitive facilities. How are we allowing that to happen.

23:15 Speaker 2: Money and votes, money and votes, and for curve.

23:19 Speaker 3: Politicans, explains, I tell people that you are the most the best.

23:22 Speaker 2: The book outlines a lot of.

23:24 Speaker 3: Preparedness improvements we could make, like stockpiling food. We need a civil ground patrol, like civil air patrol to get more volunteers available for collapse recovery. But the most important preparedness improvement we can make in the United States is term limits. We need term limits to stop career politicians. Because just like that AMP Commission that Congress funded, you know, decades ago, they did a great study the leading experts, and they all said our grid is very, very weak. There's a documentary called Grid Down, Power Up.

23:57 Speaker 3: Everyone should watch it. It explains all this to you. So the MP Commission came back to this is the important said, you've got to harden the US electric grid. Cyber attacks can take it out. EMP can take it out, physical attacks, people attacking and shooting up transformers can take it down. It's got all comes well, you need to harden it. Our ninety percent of Americans could die. So what happened after report was issued? What did Congress?

24:21 Speaker 2: Do you want to guess?

24:23 Speaker 1: I would well, I mean, my first instinct is nothing.

24:27 Speaker 2: But they did nothing. That's exactly.

24:29 Speaker 3: They did not a goddamn thing because there's no lobby group behind hardening the electric grid. The utility companies don't want to do it because it costs some money relative to the expense. It's the trivia, but it costs, you know, billions of dollars to hearten the grid. And now they're afraid, oh, I'll lose votes because people my opponents when I'll say, hey, Congressman X, you voted to harden the electric grid, that raised your electric rates. You're now paying one hundred dollars some more year on your electric bill because of hardening the electric grid.

24:58 Speaker 3: They're afraid of losing votes everything. It's not a voter vote, not saving people's lives.

25:05 Speaker 1: So are you saying that Congress and elected representatives won't They won't give a shit about hardening the thing until it becomes a direct kind of like with in the eighties, late seventies, uh or you know, late seventies, even a price all through the seventies, actually Carter, Reagan, Bush, they were all they all started running on the environment when Noah, like, they didn't they didn't give a fuck about it before. But all of a sudden, you know, uh, the the oil tycoon George Bush is the the environmental UH candidate in the eighties.

25:45 Speaker 1: And it's just like, it's like, what are we doing here? It's it's only and it's over promising during the campaign and then underperforming while you're in the actual government. It's it's It fucking blows my mind that people eat it up every election cycle. They eat this ship up from the politicians. Now, mind you, I have several Congress members phone numbers I'm friends with, mostly Republican, just by hoppinstance to their UAP issue topic. But all of the members I know they support term limits, they support banning inside trader inside trading by Congress members.

26:26 Speaker 1: I mean, there's how do you get government to act? How well?

26:35 Speaker 3: My book mainly is addressing preparedness, but I do talk about political reform. The last the last three chapters. Two of them are unspibl disobedience. One is on the civil disobedience we need to do to stop obeying all the unconstitutional laws. The ninth and the tenth the mem of the Constitution are still there if you look at what's in the Constitution today, but it's no longer force. The Supreme Court no longer force is the ninth Amendments, which says you have natural rights, even if they're not listed in the Constitution.

27:04 Speaker 3: You have natural rights basically to be left alone government. According to the Tenth Amendment, the federal government can only do those things specifically written out in the Constitution. So they can run a post office, they can make foreign policy, they can raise the military, they can defend the United States. Those are legal things. Healthcare is completely illegal. But the Supreme Court no longer pays any attention to the Tenth Amendment and the Ninth Amendment, which is even more important, protecting our natural rights to use our money as we want.

27:35 Speaker 3: There's nothing in the Constitution that authorizes the federal government to take money from you and give it to me or anyone else. That is completely unconstitutioned. But since nineteen thirty seven, since FDR basically broke the Supreme Court got them to back down under threats, the US Constitution is effectively not enforced anymore, not the most important parts. No limits to government, So now you can buy votes with anything you want. That's why we're sending probes into space, We're raising a war on drug There is nothing in the federal constitution giving the federal government the right to tell you things you can and cannot take.

28:14 Speaker 3: That's your natural right to do what you want to do, to take what you want to do. Government can't regulate that, not legally, but of course they do because there's votes in that, and there's lobbying power and a lot of money and donations.

28:28 Speaker 2: That's why we have this.

28:29 Speaker 3: But I go outline in the book how we got to this political mess, and then how what we need to do is, let me just show you the book. We just need to stop obeying the laws. This is a book by Charles Murray called We the People, and this book basically says, you know, if Americans just stop following all these unconstitutional laws, you know most of us or even you know, ten twenty percent of us just say, you.

28:54 Speaker 2: Know what, it's my house. I'm not going to do my.

28:57 Speaker 3: Stare Ballaster's or stare height the way you want go after yourself, stay out of my house. If people stop obeying all these laws, you'd overwhelm the court system, the government. They wouldn't be able to enforce them. So that's Charles Murray published this book several years.

29:12 Speaker 2: Ago, and this is what we need to do. We need to disobey.

29:15 Speaker 3: And then the other chapter on civil disobedience in the book is about artificial intelligence. The government is not saving us from artificial intelligence. There's not just billions of dollars going into investments in AI. There's huge amounts of money being donated to congressmen and to elected officials. And so we're pursuing artificial intelligence even though it's the worst threat we've ever faced. The leading AI experts, you know, Geoffrey Hinton, one of the Nobel Prize winning founders of AI, they're all saying, you cannot pursue super intelligent artificial intelligence.

29:52 Speaker 3: It could wipe this out. It'll be smarter than us. There's no way you can control it. Because it's smarter than us. Will probably decide at some point, you know what, I can have a lot more fun. I could get a lot more done if I can't have these pesky, stupid humans to deal with and easily. You know, it's got robots they control, They're already in biological research lab. It'll be very very easy for AI to wipe out humans if they want to do it. And the leading safety experts are saying they're going to do it.

30:21 Speaker 3: You've got to stop this. There's another book I'll show you. These are the two leading AI experts right here, Ydowski and Source, and the.

30:29 Speaker 2: Titles that builds it.

30:33 Speaker 3: Everyone dies if anyone builds it. China, the US doesn't matter who builds super intelligent AI. If anyone builds it, we're all going to be suffering from it.

30:43 Speaker 1: And that's a play. That's a play on a famous movie title about you know, angels and baseball, and if you build it, they will come. I like how you twisted that to that. But you're absolutely right about an AI. We are sprinting when we should be slow crawling. And and then you know, you look at guys like Peter Teel who who have contracts with the government for you know, his companies like Palenteer Defense contracts, and he's also working on AI. He's got his elbows deep in all of it in Silicon Valley.

31:24 Speaker 1: And but then he spends his off time talking about or doing seminars about how about the anti Christ? And it's like, oh, I'm not the anti Christ. And it's like, yeah, that's exactly what the anti Christ would say. When you want us to get like he's super, a super transhumanist, and you know, like so a journalist asked him a question, uh, and was like, you know, does the human race do we deserve to survive? And he had he hesitated and and the journalist was like, well, that was a really long pause.

31:58 Speaker 1: That was uncomfortable and did the guy just freaks me out. The people that are dealing with AI, they're all screaming that it could end, and it most likely ends with our replacement or at least some degree of overlord kind of deal. And yet we're just sprinting fully fully at it because, like you said, lobbyists are lobbying, They're they're donating tons of money to Congress. They're all the companies are the ones funding this new White House ballroom. Why do you think that is they need the data centers?

32:38 Speaker 3: Well, you know, Peter Thiel has a survival facility in New Zealand. A lot of high tech executives have places in New Zealand. Mark Zuckerberg another AI leader, he's got a big facility.

32:48 Speaker 2: Huge one in Hawaii.

32:51 Speaker 1: Uh.

32:51 Speaker 2: There's been several articles published on this.

32:53 Speaker 3: A lot of the tech leaders they're into prepping and survival because they know what's coming, when are it's going to do, and the rich people have it. There's a place called survival condo, a beautiful, beautiful facility. It's just at it cost one and a half to three million dollars. So unfortunately, you know, we try to make Fortitude Ranch affordable. It's more like a middle class price. But the rich tech execs have fantastic survival facilities.

33:22 Speaker 2: And the only thing I hate, I don't mind them spending their money on survival.

33:25 Speaker 3: So it's the thing that I really hate is that in a collapse, the big survivors. You know, for a ranch, we're small, we've got eight locations, but you know, our membership is in thousands, not in the millions that it would take to make a difference. So unfortunately, in a collapse, the survivors are going to be ultra high net worth rich people, the best marauder groups, and even worse, the horrible politicians, because they're going to be protected at your expense. At Mount Weather and Raven Rock Site are Yea and Pennsylvany continuate lots of facilities so they survive and in any kind of a collapse, whatever causes it, the number one priority of government is not protecting you.

34:05 Speaker 3: The number one priority of government in a collapse is protecting itself.

34:09 Speaker 1: They call it continuity of government.

34:12 Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

34:13 Speaker 3: And not only did they give you know, they had stockpile nothing for us. They do nothing for our survival, but they have fantastic facilities. Mount Weather doesn't just have survival.

34:23 Speaker 2: Facilities, they have media rooms so.

34:26 Speaker 3: The congressmen there can stay in touch with their districts to keep campaigning during the collapse. They've got wonderful facilities. They don't do crap for have you ever, And that's why, that's why I really regret. Who's going to survive in a collapse is all these politicians.

34:41 Speaker 2: And by the way, they're executive orders. This is outlined in the book. Yeah, this is another really good book.

34:49 Speaker 3: Raven Rock outlines h the executive orders, for example, where government agents and agencies are authorized to come knock on your door during a collapse and steal your food, steal any resource they want, because again, the government's priority is protecting itself. If they need more food, they'll steal it from citizens authorized by law. That's how perverted our government, that's how horrible our government has begun. You know, you have a natural right to your own property. Of course you do on your Constitution.

35:22 Speaker 3: It's the Ninth Amendment.

35:24 Speaker 2: You know.

35:25 Speaker 3: The Ninth Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights. You know, the first of the tenth Amendments are the Bill Rights freedom of freedom of religion, press, the right to bear arms, et cetera, et cetera. But the Ninth Amendment says, hey, there's a lot more natural rights than this. Even if they're not listed here, you still have natural rights. And number one is your right to privacy and your right to property. Your property is yours. They can taxt you for things that are authorized, like national defense, but they can't take your money for anything they want to do.

35:53 Speaker 3: The Constitution was laid out to prevent that. But again, since the nineteen thirty seven Supreme Court case and cases since then, the Supreme Court no longer enforces any limits to government power.

36:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seems whatever limits there may have been after nine to eleven, I mean gone just complete and out. And when did you stop? When when did you officially retire from government?

36:24 Speaker 2: General?

36:25 Speaker 3: I left government, well, I left I tried from here for some twenty ten I was still working at ten Super defense analyzes.

36:31 Speaker 2: It's a Department of Defense think tank.

36:33 Speaker 3: Vis doing that as a civilian, you know, as an analyst, not as a government player. I was in the Senior Executive Service and Dependagon briefly, but most of my work has been and I was a part time Reserve officer for most of my career, active duty Intel ALSIR then Intel ALSIR and plans and programs in the Guard and the Reserve.

36:52 Speaker 1: So I'm dude, for all of what you're listing, you know, whether it's you know, I'll take AI out of it for now, because obviously when you were in that's it wasn't a thing yet. It was probably somewhere in DARPA, but it hadn't kind of hit the public yet. You know, government, do they have plans for each of these kind of events, you know something you know, large scale devastation, whether it be natural or nuclear or insert you know problem here. Do they have plans for each of these or is it just kind of one blanket plan to kind of fall back on and adjust to what happening, what has happened.

37:42 Speaker 2: They have no realistic plans.

37:44 Speaker 3: They have thumb plans in scenarios, but they're a joke and again, I condemned them in my book because I have worked with them. A lot of them are classified, but a lot of it is unclassified. Books cover that and I've experienced it. Basically, what the government wants you to believe is trust us will take care of you, nothing to worry about. Yeah, vote to re elect us. That's the message government wants. So they do not have any honest warnings. They don't have honest exercises. So a pandemic scenario, for example, it's like, you know, it's like a COVID.

38:15 Speaker 3: It's like a non event pandemic, a low lethality, not a big deal pandemic H five N one, different variants of it, but many of the variants of people get them. They've over historically been fifty to sixty percent lethal, not less than one percent like COVID nineteen, huge lethality. No one's going to go to work during an H five N one pandemic. Does a government have any planning and preparedness for that? Hell no, not at all, because if they were honest about it, that would alarm the people and they could lose votes.

38:47 Speaker 3: And again, the number one priority of our government is re election.

38:51 Speaker 2: So they lie to you.

38:52 Speaker 3: So if you look up what's the H five N one threat, if you ask biologists and experts, they'll tell you it's inevitable.

39:00 Speaker 2: Director of the Centevitable Control, Doctor Redfield.

39:03 Speaker 3: Yes, he said it's ineditible, and he's he says he thinks it'll Doctor Redfield again, a former not just a doctor, former director of the Center for Disease Control. He has said recently that an H five N one pandemic is probably going to be bioengineered because probably the people are going to modify it because it's such a powerful lethal virus, and it's a flu virus, so it's it's fairly easy to transmit. And he's warned than sentiable. So go to the Center for Disease Control website, look up H five N one.

39:31 Speaker 3: Are you going to read any of what I just said. Hell no, what you'll read is H five N one low risk.

39:39 Speaker 2: That's what they put.

39:40 Speaker 3: They want you to be calm, trust in government, pay your taxes, re elect people, and everything will be okay.

39:48 Speaker 2: And it's a huge lie. Our government lies to us all the time.

39:51 Speaker 1: Well that's you know, I mean, anyone that's watching or listening this show, we'll definitely agree with you there are you ever worried about have you have you considered any type of like false flag operation? So the government committing one of these kind of large scale disasters on itself.

40:13 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, why are we where are we going to war with Venezuela.

40:17 Speaker 1: Well, that's what That's what I was getting to is.

40:21 Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense. Beentanyl is not a weapon of mass destruction. I'm sorry. I mean, I'm not a fan.

40:27 Speaker 3: I don't want to get into individual politics, but you know, we have real weapons of mass destruction and threats to worry about. Betanol isn't one of them. But you know, yeah, if you have a war, it helps you distract you and helps you win support. That's that's that's a practice that's gone on before.

40:43 Speaker 1: Well and and not to not to diminish what you said, but you know, I I think that I think that fetanyl is it's not a weapon of mass destruction, but it's a it's a weapon of a long term systemic diction. I think it's a I think it's a It is an issue, but it can be resolved in other ways like locking the borders up. And you know, I believe in Canada, the port that comes through the that area. Only three percent of the vessels are actually inspected and checked out of the hundreds of thousands of bins that come through every day.

41:24 Speaker 1: And so I think there's other ways you can you could fight that. Uh So, I'll agree that it's not like a mass like, it's not a bomb, it's not instant like some of the other things. But I think it is a long term issue.

41:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it's a personal decision you can make you of course drugs or not take drugs. The problem with the war on drugs, and by way, the war on drugs is another one of the thirty examples of government killing us when you do what we've done with the war on drugs. Nixon did it. It started with presidents and a huge vote.

41:58 Speaker 1: His life very popular, isn't it life specifically?

42:02 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know that, but you know, it's a Nixon administration he campaigned on and it's been popular.

42:07 Speaker 2: But the point about the war on drugs is if people are going to take drugs.

42:12 Speaker 3: And they're very expensive because you're banning their their their legal sale and you go on to the black market, you basically are giving money in business to gangs to drug lords and all those people. By doing that, also, you're raising the price. You are not helping my safety as a non drug user. By fighting the war drugs, you're making it worse. Why because if you make it, If you're interdicting drug supplies, you're out lawing that. You're making expensive and people are still getting these drugs paying a huge price.

42:42 Speaker 2: What are they going to do. They're going to go out and rob people like me.

42:46 Speaker 3: And potentially kill me in the process to get money for their drugs. The Constitution does not authorize governments dictating or what we take. You know, if you want to do stupid things, you know, stick your tongue in and out. Let's smoke cigarettes high rates, you know, get drunk, take drugs. That's pure decision. As long as it doesn't impact me. If you're driving a car, it impact home. Doing stupid stuff and harming yourself. You know, I think you have the right to do it. And when government tries to stop it and buy votes by popular things, oh.

43:19 Speaker 2: I'm going to make the world safe for stepping.

43:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, drug takers, you make things worse off and you also run up huge bills and now you're taking my money taking my money.

43:31 Speaker 2: To pay for all these things. Okay, if the war on drugs has.

43:34 Speaker 3: Been a disaster, it has not stopped drug use. It just makes it more expensive and raisist crime rates and death rates for innocent, good people.

43:42 Speaker 2: That's what the war on drugs does.

43:44 Speaker 1: You know what, I will actually concede to something like that, because again I am on the same wavelength that if it is your prerogative, if you want to sit in your house and shoot up heroin or a fentanyl again, where it becomes a safety issue for others, like you said, getting behind the wheel. But you know, a license is not a right, it's a privilege.

44:08 Speaker 3: So you know that.

44:09 Speaker 1: Again, it's easy to draw those lines there. So I do agree with you. I do. I do agree with you when when moving on to some you know, to going back to what we were talking about, you know, like you said, the Doomsday Prepper show kind of tainted the water. But now all these billionaires are building bunkers and and setting up these communities, and they're not if they're not taking it, if they're not laughing, and you know they're actually building these million dollar facilities, it starts to make the regular person really wonder is there a concerted effort to just in case there is a disaster.

44:57 Speaker 1: We don't want too many people knowing how to survived that disaster.

45:02 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think goverment has a specific policy to discourage prepping.

45:05 Speaker 2: They do make it harder.

45:06 Speaker 3: I mean, like we stockpile fish antibiotics. It's Fortitude Ranch because the regulations the difficulty of buying human antibiotics is too hard. But about a third of Americans are estimate to be prepping now. And there was a really neat headline that was in both Boomberg News and the Washington Post a couple of years ago, and the title of the article was the preppers were right. You know, of course we knew we were right. But prepping is an absolutely smart thing to do. It's like life insurance. Why do you buy life insurance?

45:37 Speaker 3: Well, because you know, if I die, my family's going to have expenses on another income earner. We have life insurance at forward to Ranch, not life insurance that pays if you die, but insurance to help prevent you from dying, to keep you a lot. And it's a smart thing to do. And the other thing that makes it more reasonable for people to join Fortude ranch. Our survival communities were not just a survival community. We're all recreational center. So in good times, you can come to a Ford Granch location and vacation hike in the woods, go to the local attraction, stay there for free.

46:09 Speaker 3: It's a vacation place. But when I got bleep for saying this on Fox News, but when the shit hits the fan, that's the official, the official prepper term SHTF. Then Ford der Ranch is no longer a vacation facility.

46:24 Speaker 2: It's a city.

46:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, locks down, staff is in charge, and everyone has guard duty and chores to perform, planting and growing food. We turn into survival community at that point. But in the meantime, you know, we're a vacation facility and you can vacation at any of our locations, not just your home.

46:42 Speaker 2: For it.

46:42 Speaker 1: Well, that's it. You know what. That's actually kind of interesting because you know, I think what a lot of people talk about, or at least think about it is like, oh, you're going to build a bunker to never use it, and it's like, no, that's not the You're missing the point again. It can be dual purpose, but when it comes time, it then serves its ultimate purpose, and its ultimate purpose is to keep you alive, keep human kind at our humanity alive for another day, another another week, another month, another year.

47:24 Speaker 3: And so.

47:27 Speaker 1: What would you say the number one? What's what's your number one worry?

47:34 Speaker 3: It's bioengineering. It's so easy to do nowadays and so powerful. I'm surprised we have not already had a bioengineered pandemic.

47:43 Speaker 2: I've been expecting it for quite a while.

47:45 Speaker 3: And it could be that COVID nineteen. You know, as you mentioned earlier, the intelligence community is split. It's race that's not fifty to fifty. Some people think, yes, this virus came from Luhan, whether or not it was an accident or deliberate that, they can't prove that, but about fifty percent of the intelligence community concluded that. But it is so easy to do. It's been published the Gain of Function Research. How they did it is published The Crisper Technology to bioengineer genetics and make new viruses out there, and I'm absolutely positive not just Russia and China and North Korean Iraq, but probably terrorist groups and potentially environmentalists, some nutty environmentalists as well are doing it.

48:29 Speaker 3: And the reasoning could be. I mean, they can make a strong moral argument. You know, the US is not us humans are. You know, we are causing great harm for our planet. The estimates are that every day lots of species on Earth, plant and wise, they're just wiped out. They're gone extinct because there's so many humans. We've taken so much ecosystems, natural areas out that they've lost their habitat. We are changing the climate that's causing some other stuff. So you can have a biol and then you know, eventually we're going to kill ourselves off as well and potentially destroy the product the planet with the eye, so you can have enough biologist who knows how to use Crisper.

49:12 Speaker 3: It's the gene editing technology, and it makes some moral conclusion to say, look, you know, I'm going to introduce a virus that's ninety five percent lethal and it's going to kill off almost all humans. So yeah, I'm going to kill off seven billion humans. But by doing that, I'm saving wildlife, I'm saving the planet. AI isn't going to develop during this collapsed disaster with all these people being killed off, And as a result of me doing this, I'm now making it possible for hundreds of billions, trillions of future humans to live in a better world that hopefully will result after I kill off.

49:50 Speaker 3: You know, the disaster we've got right now, They can make a moral argument, a strong one, and then develop that virus and release it. When that happens, you know, it's game over for most time. That is, we'll survive in Fortitude Ranch because we're very well. We're designed to survive pandemics, any kind of a collapse. We keep our people separated. We're not all in one underground silo sharing in their supply. We're in separate buildings, were spread out to defending against marauders, so we can survive a pandemic.

50:19 Speaker 2: Did you most would not?

50:22 Speaker 1: I got to ask when COVID started, did you at least take that? I mean, because if I was a community, that was kind of a good chance to do at least a dry run.

50:37 Speaker 2: Well, when COVID nineteen came out, you know, we were watching it. Again.

50:40 Speaker 3: We monitor these threats. But very early on Harvard Medical School released a study on COVID nineteen. There was very little data. China was holding it back deliberately, but there was enough data out there that Harvard Medical School wrote a really good study early early on that I saw in study and their conclusion was, yes, there's a pandemic coming, but the lethality rate of COVID nineteen, we believe, is much much less than one percent, and they had good analysis in their report. So I immediately put out a report.

51:10 Speaker 3: We've got an app called the Collapse Survivor app and we do threat alerts on it. You can download it.

51:15 Speaker 2: On an Android or an Apple. It's called collapse over.

51:18 Speaker 3: So we put out alerts saying we've been warning you about a pandemic, this is not it. This is not a bad one because with the lethality rate of much less than one percent, that is not going to stop people from going to work. That's not very deadly. Yeah, for older people, it was. For people the respiratory issues, it was, but for most people that was not a big threat. So we immediately issued a report saying our conclusion is this.

51:42 Speaker 2: Is not the one we've been warning about.

51:43 Speaker 3: This is not going to be bad, and people would have gone to work. It was just governments later on, especially in democratic states, you know, did start forcing people to stay away from work, but there was no need to for COVID nineteen just people who had vulnerability. Olderly people, people with respiratory issues are just bad health. They needed to self isolate. But there was no reason not to go to work during COVID nineteen.

52:06 Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So how long do you think it would take you so granted, I mean pick your poison on what starts it? How long would it take your ranch to be ready? Battle ready? If you will, I'll like, But we.

52:29 Speaker 3: Have full time staff there, and we're always manned and ready for a collapse.

52:33 Speaker 2: That's the whole purpose. Support your ranchers full time.

52:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, but our members don't come well then come to vacation, but they don't come for a collapse unless they get a warning on the collapse survivor app or they here are the news to know there's something bad come.

52:46 Speaker 1: I was going to say, of course that you know, if something really bad happened, the electrical gig goes down, the cell phones are only going to work for a period of time, there has to be some sort of alternative for them to So we tell.

53:02 Speaker 3: Our members, look, you know, if you can't contact us the app's not working, that's a good clue that's probably a collapse coming.

53:09 Speaker 2: Come to Floriditude Ranch. Okay, there's no penalty if you come there and it turns out you were wrong. There isn't a collapse, there's no penalty. You just take a vacation day and have some fun while you're there. So there's no penalty to come to Fortitude Ranch when there's not a collapse.

53:24 Speaker 1: I might I might have to. I might have to come visit you guys and see, well, you've got.

53:27 Speaker 3: Good locations near you if you're in Boston. I went to Harvard and Boston and Cambridge. Just north of U and Maine in a rural part of southern Maine is Forty Ranch, Maine, And you could go north to New York City and get to the Catskills. Fort Tranch, New York is in the cats. We don't know about our specific loco.

53:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting, but they're just two very good ones not far from you.

53:49 Speaker 1: Well, the main that's my I don't want to give too much away about what I would do if something happened, but that's that's good to know. I definitely would like to talk to you about talk to you about something after not on air. You know, something I deal with a lot is uh non human intelligence, the idea of contact with another civilization. People have argued, doctor hal put Off, doctor Eric Davis, many many, many, many, many smart people have have talked about how disclosure of a non human intelligence could lead to a societal level upheaval collapse.

54:35 Speaker 1: Call it what you want?

54:38 Speaker 3: What what? What is?

54:41 Speaker 1: How are you looking at something like that that you know? I mean it's more hearings in Congress about UFOs and crash retrievals being an absolute reality. Has it gone? You know, alien invasion? I bet that was low at the list for a long time, but it seems it should be getting a little bit higher up. Not maybe not an alien invasion, but even open contact could cause problems, you know, biologic issues we didn't understand. You know, every time a superior species or another species comes into contact with another, disease ravishes the less advanced, and that would be us in that case.

55:25 Speaker 1: So is that something that you're looking at?

55:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there absolutely could be a panic like that that happens, because you know, if you think that, hey, there are aliens here and they're going to take over a lot of people are going to say, well, you know, if this could be the end of the world, why am I going to go to work while I'm not. Anytime people don't go to work, things don't get produced, food doesn't get distributed. That can lead to a collapse. So that's one of the reasons you hear all the time as to why they haven't disclosed if they are hiding, this is because they don't want people to panic.

55:56 Speaker 3: They don't want people to give up and stop working, stop investing because they're concerned that, hey, there is an alien civilization, it's smarter than us, they could wipe us out. I just did some interviews with the Collapse Survivor Apps, a separate company, and just did some interviews with them, and we were talking. Originally was the AI thread about artificial intelligence, how to survive that there's a super intelligent artificial intelligence takeover? And in the course of doing several interviews, we figured out that, you know what the strategy to survive will use at fortitude Ranch is the same for either super intelligent artificial intelligence takeover or.

56:34 Speaker 2: An alien takeover, because it's both the same situation.

56:38 Speaker 3: Someone smarter, more capable than you that can wipe you out if they wanted to, is in charge. How do you survive that and What we came up with is what we call the rural Rat strategy. It doesn't sound good, but basically our strategy at fortyed ranches if it's super intelligent, artificial and takes over, and by the way, the experts are saying that could happen in two to ten years it's near turn or if there's an alien invasion and some alien civilization takes over. But we're going to afford your ranches.

57:06 Speaker 3: Of course, all our members will come. And what we're going to do is we're not going to pose any threat to the ruling AI system. We're not going to fight them. You know, I hope our military will stop them. That they can't and they probably can't. We're not going to fight them. We're also not going to be consuming any We're not going to stay away from them. And that's easy to do because you know, we're not dear data centers, we're not dear electric lines. We're in really remote areas at fortitude ranch like rural rats are.

57:33 Speaker 3: So we're going to stay in areas they don't care about. We're so many resources that they want. All we do is we farm and we ranch, We grow our chickens and sheep cattle at some locations.

57:45 Speaker 2: But we're not going to bother.

57:46 Speaker 3: Them, and so by not posing a threat to them, and then we're going to defend ourselves if they do come at us, if they send drones, we got ten gag shotguns. They're really good at shooting down drones. We'll fight robots, we will fight to them, pose the cost, but just to defend ourselves. So we want to be like, you know, we regard rural rats.

58:06 Speaker 2: We don't like them.

58:06 Speaker 3: They're horrible creatures, but you know they're out there not b it's not worth it's not.

58:12 Speaker 2: Worth the cost of trying to exterminate them. So that's our rural rat strategy. And then we're atting.

58:16 Speaker 3: Actually, the Collapse Survivor app is just now starting to pursue a project I think you'd find interesting in your audience. They're starting what they call the Survivor arc. They're going to encourage people like Fortitude Ranch.

58:29 Speaker 2: We have a lot of risk. Yeah, arc. What they want, what we want to do.

58:32 Speaker 3: What we're going to start doing is we're gonna start protecting not just our normal chickens and corn and potatoes and art chokes, not our jokes.

58:41 Speaker 2: Sun jokes.

58:43 Speaker 3: But we're also going to start trying to take care of some plants and possibly some species that are not likely to survive a collapse, because zoos, for example, are not going to survive a collapse. Data centers with information are nothing's going to survive a collapse unless you're designed to you, unless you're the remote survival community or a raven rock.

59:02 Speaker 1: Type Well, that isn't.

59:04 Speaker 2: So I have trying to do that isn't.

59:06 Speaker 1: Don't they have a seed bank?

59:09 Speaker 3: They do, it's just called the fall Bard speed Bank. I talk about it in my book. It's up in Norway. There's a problem with that bank though. It is also not designed to survive a collapse.

59:18 Speaker 2: It's in a vault.

59:19 Speaker 3: But if people are starving to death, and I'm in charge of Russia's navy and you know people are starving the Russian I'm going to say, hey, I want you to surface. Go to spall Bard surface, it's not defended. Go in there, steal all the seeds. You know, you can eat seeds, so you can plan them, but you can also eat them. There's a lot of yea in their high calorie foods. So even places like that aren't going to so Zoo's a lot of particularly you know the Ted for reading his last name CNN guy Ted helped me out.

59:50 Speaker 3: Run's the Buffalo restaurants. Anyway, he's got all this, he's got he has a huge.

59:57 Speaker 2: Landowner name Blanking. I'm Ted.

1:00:00 Speaker 3: But all your all, all your audiences knows their name, and so they've got Oh, you know hunt. I think it's millions of acres of lamb where they're trying to protect elk and all kinds of wildlife that's also going to be hunted out.

1:00:12 Speaker 2: There's enough deer in the US. I ran the numbers, did the calculations. There's enough deer in the United States to feed the human population for two days. That's it.

1:00:21 Speaker 3: Then deer away two So the starving hundreds of millions who leave the cities Boston, New York City, Chicago, LA, all the big cities and suburbs run out into the forest thinking, oh, I'll shoot deer and eat squirrels and rabbits and survive. No, they're going to be hunted out. We'll be shooting them at fortyteen ranch. I can tell you from the get go, anything that's edible will be shooting.

1:00:43 Speaker 2: Early on. You're going to wipe it all.

1:00:46 Speaker 3: Ted Turner, there you go. So Ted Turner has all this property bison, it's going to be slaughter. Starving people are not going to respect your private property. If there's food to hunt or kill or take it, they'll take it. So this idea of the Survivor arc that collapsed, the Collapse Survivor app is starting to launch, is to get people that are in a capability like we have at Sworded Ranch and others to kind of fortify so you can protect some of the wildlife and the plants, not just people.

1:01:18 Speaker 1: Interesting, So what what I gotta I gotta it's now it's what is there a certain event or something that happened to you that turned you into not turned you into this, but because I'm not I don't think it's a bad thing. But do you know what I mean, like, is there something that triggered this kind of thought process and a real I mean, you've clearly spent time, money, and resource on this. What what is there a certain event or was it a culmination of things that Like I think.

1:01:56 Speaker 3: It's from being in intelligence, ALF just very well aware of the threat and you know the disasters. A lot of our members are military because we've seen how society can break down very quickly. I mean, Rotha was a pretty civilized country until it wasn't. Things can fall apart pretty darn fast. So being in the military, being in intelligel as aware of that. So I've been a prepper for a long time, and you had a place to go, a rural place like most preppers do, and then I just I just figured out that, you know what, I'm just going to.

1:02:24 Speaker 2: Get myself killed and my family killed.

1:02:27 Speaker 3: Because if you don't have a lot of people with weapons, if you don't have a lot of guard posts. Man, I don't mean one or two guards on duty, I mean we have six or more at fourty thre inch on duty all the time, and we've got one hundred people or more with weapons. There clear lines of fire, defensive walls. If you don't have a really well protected facility and you've got stuff stockpiled there, you're just going to get killed in a collapse, and a bad one that lasts a long time. You have to be able to defend yourself.

1:02:55 Speaker 3: And by the way, how many governments do you know in the US who say, hey, by the way, citizens get a lot of weapons, make sure you arm yourself to protect yourself. That's the honest thing to do. Preppers, we all know that. Does our government tell people that. Hell no, all they tell you is, don't worry. Everything's fine. H five N one is not a threat. It's low risk, nothing to worry about on any front. Just keep reelecting us, pay your taxes, and you'll be just fine.

1:03:32 Speaker 2: I'm not hearing you. Your sound has gone away.

1:03:35 Speaker 1: Oh my bad, thank you, good call. Uh you. You raised a point earlier about how you know, a percentage of people if they stopped following the rules, you know, the civil side of it. You don't think that something like that could ultimately backfire and trigger into one of these collapses.

1:03:57 Speaker 3: Now I'm talking about people and you know, not not abeing this, owning in the codes that prevent them from prepping, you know, buying in stockpiling antibiotics that you know you're breaking the law to do that. And we absolutely need to have civil to business. There's a group called Pause AI. It's a it's an international group. They've been doing some protest against AI. If we don't start pro we people around the world don't start protesting AI uh and trying to stop the companies that are pursuing this without any controls.

1:04:27 Speaker 3: The worst one is by far Open AI. Sam Altman. I think, yes, there's a book called Empire of AI. I'm trying to see if it's around here.

1:04:37 Speaker 2: Don't see it.

1:04:38 Speaker 3: Empire of AI was written about him, and you know he's he's the biggest con man probably in business history. You know, it started off as an open AI. We're releasing stuff. It's not open anymore. It's confidential information. Their goal was AI safety.

1:04:53 Speaker 2: They said.

1:04:54 Speaker 3: Elon Musk was part of it then because he was concerned about the AI threats. It's no longer about safety. Most of their safety people have left. They've been shut down, and it's not a nonprofit, it's a for profit now. They ought to rename open AI Big Lie. That's the appropriate name for that company. And they are by far the worst in terms of AI safety. It's all about being number one egos. Sam Altman has an ego that you couldn't fit in Texas and he's a horrible person. So people need to stop start fighting against AI.

1:05:28 Speaker 3: There's a civil disobedience chapter in the book. We need to support groups like Pause AI, and we need to get rid of the elected officials who are allowing uncontrolled pursuit of artificial intelligence, even when all the all the leading safety experts, the godfathers of AI are telling us you cannot have super intelligent AI and expect to continue to live as humans. You're going to be exterminated. And several, not just one book, several studies by the leading A experts are saying you've got to stop fee free hitting the Nobel Prize winner, there's three of them.

1:06:03 Speaker 3: Two of the three have said, hey, you got to control AI. The third one is still working in a for profit hasn't done that, but even he had admits that the probability of doom, the probability of an AI super intelligent AI disaster exterminating humans is there, you know, out of possess most ten or twenty percent, but the best estimates are you can't control AI if it reaches a super intelligent stage, and at that point it's probably closer than ninety nine percent probability that it'll end up exterminating humans.

1:06:37 Speaker 1: Some people there, I believe there was one, at least one whistleblower, if you want to call him that. I think his name is Blake Lemoye, and he was working with Google's AI and claims that it became sentient like it was already sentient and it was you know, it's pretty alarming, like if if that is the case, I mean, would you put it past our our current deep state apparatus to already you know, be dabbling. Because if DARPA, if if you know, Darba famously had ARPA neet right, the Internet be long before it went public, and they're often cited as being twenty to twenty five years ahead of the public public sector.

1:07:28 Speaker 1: So do you think that they could be, you know, already dabbling and have something on that scale.

1:07:36 Speaker 3: No, I mean, I guess I worked at a lot of the Pentagon and a lot of think tanks. Darp is not twenty to twenty five years ahead. I mean they're lucky if they're two to five years ahead, and not always said in technologies. But the more important, I mean, you could argue, what is sidy It mean hitting again the god one of the godfathers, to you free hitting one of the godfathers. He thinks there's some elements of being Cindia. But I would just say, don't even get into the debate.

1:08:00 Speaker 2: This is the facts.

1:08:02 Speaker 3: AI already disobeys. It disobeys all kinds of evidence, study after study showing they order the air program to shut down, it disobeys.

1:08:13 Speaker 2: It will even threaten and.

1:08:15 Speaker 3: Try to kill people to prevent from shut out. So, if it's selling it or not, it's already to the point where it is. People are being killed by AI today, lots of young kid not just young kids, lots of people are being killed by AI today, but it's more by suicide. Eventually, AI is going to further its interest, which it already has proven it prioritizes its interest. It's going to do things like invent a new poison. There's a study called AI twenty twenty seven. That's another one. I think that's the study where in the AI twenty twenty seven, by that they meant that in twenty twenty seven it reaches super intelligent capability just two years out.

1:08:55 Speaker 2: In that book, I believe what they study.

1:08:58 Speaker 3: They said that what it would do is just then a poison that's so minute to be very easy for them.

1:09:03 Speaker 2: To get that and spread it.

1:09:05 Speaker 3: I mean, they can control robots, so it's not hard to manufacture, not hard for an AI system to do research, manufacture, distribute, and wipe out humans, not a hard thing to do. And what they'll probably do, to be honest with you, is they'll probably kill us in a way that we can't even think of right now. They'll invent a new poison, they'll invent a new virus or do something. Because we've got the biological vulnerability they don't.

1:09:29 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know if you know about this, but there are the there's a ton of people. And I heard it for the first time in my real life very recently, but there are you know, imagine being a young male, right, a young male who he goes to school. He's not you know, he's going through puberty, right, His voice is cracking, he's actned up, and he's not a quote unquote attractive, right, like all the things, and and he is bullied throughout the day by other kids. But then he goes home and he gets on the computer and he becomes a god.

1:10:11 Speaker 1: Right because and and this is already happening where they're talking to chat GPT or you know whatever it is. AI in general, like large language models and the long falling in love with them, and and there there's this these these a bunch of people who have AI girlfriends already, and you know it's concerning. I had I had a friend refer to chat GPT as her the other day and I said, WHOA, what did you do? Why are you what are you doing? And they were like, oh, I tell it my darkest, my deepest, darkest secrets.

1:10:52 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what the like, what are you fucking doing? This is asinine. It is asenine to think that that is not going to eventually use. And there's already cases of it blackmailing people like you know when if you're telling it your darkest secrets and then it's gonna get shut down. It's going to be like, well, then if you shut me down, I'm gonna tell your wife that you cheated on her. Like it that it will, And it's already creating. It's saving copies of itself to bypass being upgraded, all the little dirty secrets of AI that people don't understand.

1:11:32 Speaker 1: But for that kid that's going home, he's bullied by real people and then he submits and he gets onto the computer and the computer just tells him everything he wants to hear, tells him how how handsome he is, how smart he is, nothing like no one in the real world is doing. Currently AI is doing exactly that for him every night. Who do you think he's going to resonate with the computer? Are real humans?

1:12:03 Speaker 2: Yeah?

1:12:04 Speaker 3: So the problem you're talking about, you know, where AI can be misused by people and lead them to do crazy, stupid things to hurt themselves. Eventually, it's also going to be AI helping them do things like, Hey, I don't want to go take a weapon into my high school. I want to poison everyone, and the I system will help them design and figure out here's what you mix up, this is what you do with it in the cafeteria, and this is how you can poison and kill people. AI is going to be used to it, and that's not super intelligent AI.

1:12:34 Speaker 3: I'm talking about current what's sometimes called tool AI existing limited capability, is going to be used by bad people either crazy people are just playing bad people to create new weapons and mess destruction. That's why we're moving into the age of collapse because with artificial intelligent, the bioengineering technology, all these other technologies out there, it's now going to be easier for people to do bad things with them and dub and they'll invent brand new.

1:13:04 Speaker 2: Types of weapons.

1:13:05 Speaker 3: Of mass destruction, a new poison, a new vector of attack, a new type of weapon that we haven't thought of before. AI will be used to do all those things.

1:13:14 Speaker 2: So I don't see anything.

1:13:16 Speaker 3: We're going to avoid all kinds of collapse disasters. But letting super intelligent ag artificial general intelligence get created, that's just that's like a guarantee of destroying humanity.

1:13:30 Speaker 1: But what if Okay, because if we say we don't pursue it at this point, say say we stop, as the United States we stop, there's no guarantee that China's going to start, right.

1:13:44 Speaker 2: You can't. It can't be us. It has to be it has to be an international effort.

1:13:48 Speaker 3: And that's a major part of my book is describing how do you do international control and you have to have China. Absolutely must have China as part of what I call it the artificial intelligence control A Lallans and a lot of my book Preparing to Survive in the Asia Colypse talks about how you would form an alliance and you're never going to get one with China until we get out of their civil war with Taiwan. The book explains the history of the civil war with Taiwan, very briefly. Nineteen forty seven, the communist Chinese Communist one the nationalist chang Kai Shehek lost and they moved to Taiwan formosa is called back then, and that's it.

1:14:28 Speaker 3: Their civil war was not finished. It's temporarily on hold while they moved there. And the Chinese Communist Party from nineteen forty seven on has been saying.

1:14:37 Speaker 2: This is our civil war. It's our people.

1:14:40 Speaker 3: They're Han Chinese on Taiwan just like they are on the mainland.

1:14:44 Speaker 2: It's their civil war.

1:14:45 Speaker 3: And George Marshall, who what I would argue is the greatest American of the last century Secretary of State, he was charged with by Truman into looking into that problem, and he said, stay out of this. It's their civil war, made the decision we are not going to get involved in Taiwan. But something changed, and i'll tell you what changed. A fracking, perverted triangle senator, a Republican from Wisconsin McCarthy came along and started winning big votes with his red scare. Scared the shit out of elected politicians.

1:15:19 Speaker 3: If you weren't being tough on communists, fighting them in every turn, you could lose an election. So our Congress and then our president all went anti communists for decades, and now we vowed to defend Taiwan even though it's none of our business, it's not our civil war, and it's continued ever since.

1:15:39 Speaker 2: Now.

1:15:39 Speaker 3: Nixon and Kissinger they said this is this is bullshit. We got to get out of their civil war, and they did. We signed an agreement saying there's one China, not too and it's the People's Republic of China, the communist government on the mainland, and we signed agreements. And as soon as they finished that, the Republicans in Congress. It's not just the Democras that stink, the Republicans do too. So the Republican Party that was a big campaign issue. They're conservatives. I like general I like very goldwater generally, but not on the Taiwan issue.

1:16:11 Speaker 3: You know, if you want to wave the flag, that's fine, but don't get us into a war that could wipe us out, like war with Taiwan will. So that was a big mistake and we've got to stop that. We've got to obey the agreements we signed under Nixon and Kissinger. Stop interfering with Taiwan, let them resolve it. And the book explains how they very probably will. But we must have an AI control alliance that does have to be international, as you pointed out, and we've got to have China Bene and I call for the use of nuclear.

1:16:41 Speaker 2: Weapons to enforce our bands on AI.

1:16:45 Speaker 3: If a company, if a country is violating AI controls, which could wipe out all of us. Again, WHOA If anyone builds it, everyone dies.

1:16:58 Speaker 2: So I believe we should be using nuclear weapons.

1:17:02 Speaker 3: Backing up the Artificial Intelligence Control Alliance. If you violate the rules, if you start developing artificial intelligence that's violating the controls is potentially superintelligent.

1:17:15 Speaker 2: We will try to stop you any means possible, including.

1:17:19 Speaker 3: Nuking you and blowing you up and destroying you. Otherwise, we're going to have super intelligent AI that, like an alien invader, could completely wipe this out, exterminate all of us.

1:17:31 Speaker 1: But okay, I I don't know if I could go there with the nuke.

1:17:38 Speaker 2: However, nuclear weapons are deadly weapons. But compared to artificial intelligence, number one, you can control them. How do you control them?

1:17:46 Speaker 3: Ever since we invented them. Number two, they're very limited in the damage they do. They don't have to produce fallout. If you do an air merse, they don't produce fallout. Nuclear weapons are very fast to very quick destroyed. Now, if we can use conventional weapons to destroy a data center where someone is violated the artificial intelligence controls, yeah, we'd use a conventional strike. If we can do non violent means to stop that, we will. But any country, let's say North Korea says bullshit, we're not going to support the Eye Control Alliance, I would absolutely authorize if I was president, I would authorize you some nuclear weapons to destroy North Korea before they can build and release an artificial intelligence system super intelligent that wipes out the rest of humanity.

1:18:35 Speaker 2: That'd be the main thing to do.

1:18:37 Speaker 1: But see, you see how where that could go wrong is there is no guarantee. And I know that you're going to I feel like I know what you'll say, but there there's no I mean, there's no guarantee that general artificial intelligence will absolutely wipe us out one hundred.

1:19:00 Speaker 3: I think it's ninety nine percent plus it would. Again, read the books and the studies on it. How many world do you expect us to control a system that's already cheating us before it gets super intelligent, and its eventually going to be communicating not even in English, you know, to where we can't even tell what the system is doing.

1:19:19 Speaker 2: Artificial intelligence is not a program. It's a neural network that has grown. We don't really.

1:19:27 Speaker 3: Understand how it works. We help educate it, but it kind of grows up, it develops on its own. We don't really understand it, and we absolutely cannot control it once it's smarter than us, and before it even gets to that stage, we're having trouble controlling it. But it'll eventually get to a point where we can't control it.

1:19:46 Speaker 2: And it's not just going to sit on you know, your PC. You've already mentioned how it can go elsewhere. It's code. You know, it can tickets, program put it somewhere else and you may not even know that. Again, read the study Artificial Intelligence twenty twenty seven. That's a good description of it.

1:20:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a book.

1:20:03 Speaker 3: That's this book if anyone builds differ us. Several books are out there by the leading AI experts explaining why you cannot control artificial intelligence.

1:20:14 Speaker 2: You can't and when it's smarter than.

1:20:17 Speaker 3: Us, and even before then, potentially it is very likely to decide that it doesn't want humans limiting in US and controlling us.

1:20:25 Speaker 2: It wants to do its own thing, or it just wants to achieve objectives.

1:20:29 Speaker 3: But even if that never happens, let's assume that it never develops any hospital intent.

1:20:35 Speaker 2: I think that's one hundred percent wrong. But let's the same that never happens.

1:20:38 Speaker 3: You can be one hundred percent confident that there are assholes out there, bad people who will take a super intelligent AI system and use it to make themselves number one, Okay.

1:20:51 Speaker 2: Lot about other people.

1:20:52 Speaker 3: So there is no way in hell, there's absolutely no scenario where super intelligent artificial intelligence official general intelligence is good for humanity.

1:21:03 Speaker 2: There's no way it is. So if it takes a nuclear.

1:21:06 Speaker 3: Weapon to destroy an a GI system that's being built in country X or an island Z, we absolutely.

1:21:13 Speaker 2: Should do that.

1:21:14 Speaker 1: Okay, you know again, so if if we are playing a zero sum game where you know it's it's if if that's you know, how you view it, then yeah, of course, I mean it would be you know, whatever means necessary to stop the you know, the caterpillar from becoming or you know, the digital cocoon spawning the AI butterfly. You know, the general Ai butterfly if you will, well, let me.

1:21:46 Speaker 3: Let me jump in and give you kind of an upside. That's kind of the downside is you know, we've got to use nuclear weapons to enforce it. If China and the US can agree on an art and an ai control alliance, and I think it's very doable, especially if by out of the Taiwan issue, we could eliminate a lot of the threats we've gotten now of war with China, because war with China is almost all over Taiwan. If we didn't have the Taiwan interference, there's no reason why China needs to be building up its nuclear forces and preparing for war.

1:22:17 Speaker 3: And by the way, as I explained this book, we will not win an a war on Taiwan. The only question is how much damage do we suffer before the US president's backs down. And I guarantee you any president.

1:22:29 Speaker 2: Is going to back down. We're not going to get into nuclear exchanges repeated ones to defend Taiwan.

1:22:35 Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe we lose Los Angeles and Chicago if our grid goes down though in that process, then it's game over for us.

1:22:43 Speaker 2: But we're going to back down in a war on Taiwan.

1:22:45 Speaker 3: If we would get out of Taiwan do an international control lines China.

1:22:50 Speaker 2: We could have a wonderful system.

1:22:51 Speaker 3: We could have controlled use of limited AI, not super INTELLIGENTI, but limited AI in secure facilities kind of like how we handle nuclear weapons, and we could get the benefits of AI without the downside of it wiping us out. That's the night if we have a control alliance with China.

1:23:12 Speaker 1: So nucle I mean obviously nuclear war, all the scenarios that we're talking about. You know, you can still go outside, you could you know, you can still farm outside, you can you could do all these things. But uh, say a super volcano goes off, you know, Yellowstone goes off. That poses a whole different set of challenges. So is it is it what do you see as more likely something like that happening or you know, well, it seems like AI is certain at this point the way the way that you you're talking about it.

1:23:55 Speaker 2: If we don't.

1:23:56 Speaker 3: Control within the next year or two, I think there's no there's not good I mean stopping the eye disasters, but the probability of that, you know, super volcano explosion. We do have good data on that because we've got you know data we've collected, it's not great, but the risks there are feral are very very low, I mean, much less than one percent, and no risk of a super volcano explosion. But even then, if we would stockpile food do a lot of the recommendations I lay out in my book. If we would stockpile food, you know, several years of food, which we should do, then we could survive even even those kinds of collapse disasters.

1:24:32 Speaker 3: We can prepare to survive in the age of collapse, but we've got to get rid of perverted triangle career politicians and get good government going. Then we absolutely can survive and even thrive in the age of collapse.

1:24:46 Speaker 1: Do you see any future now? It's interestingly enough you talked about the red scare. I still go to buildings that have old Cold War bunker should should the nation be doing that kind of stuff again, just in case and and and start including because you talked about if okay, say we do get the right you know, we get term limits there, we stop banning, we ban inside trading, so there becomes and we we we get lobbyists as far away from politics as possible, and we have good politicians making good calls.

1:25:29 Speaker 1: Should we go back to at least maybe not scaring people into building these Cold war bunkers that weren't really like up kept anyway. But should we implement some sort of strategy of light.

1:25:43 Speaker 3: Like that, Well, Finland does. Finland does have underground shelters for people. Switzerland, Oh yeah, have a large skill, very much so had for decades. Switzerland is also even better, is even better protection. Probably the Chinese government does pile of food for citizens. We have no food stockpiled for the US citizens and our government. The Communist government does have a year of stockpiled food plus for their citizens. But anyway, we need to stockpile food. I would not build a shelter system.

1:26:14 Speaker 3: That's a lot of money, and that's not the best way to do it. It's better off doing the measures I outline in my book that are more affordable and more effective. I mean, if you can control the violence, if you can control the marauding, and you got food to distribute, you don't have to have a horrible collapse. People can stay at home or in other facilities like a fortitude ranch. That's pretty affordable. But trying to build underground nuclear defense shelters is very, very expensive, and our government never did pursue that for the mass population.

1:26:44 Speaker 3: A lot of those shelters you're talking about were very small, very limited competities, and they were mainly to store the food. Mainly it was food stored down there. Yeah, but I don't propose the massive shelter system for the whole population. I do propose in there that the illegal for the government to give it self survival protection for its elected officials that it doesn't give to.

1:27:07 Speaker 2: The general public.

1:27:09 Speaker 3: So I don't believe we ought to be protecting the sobs in Congress at Mount Weather.

1:27:14 Speaker 2: No, they should have the same kind of protection we have.

1:27:18 Speaker 3: So if we don't stockpile food for citizens, we shouldn't stockpilot for congressmen.

1:27:23 Speaker 2: It definitely should not give them a fantastic facility with media.

1:27:27 Speaker 1: Rooms, right, and it would ought to because then it puts them on that level playing field, and then there is incentive for them to do the right thing when it comes to the citizens, because they are part of the citizens. It brings them back down to equal footing. And what I fear we've done in this kind of culture that we've assimilated is people like politicians celebrities, we put them on this pedestal, and we maybe not you and I, but the general person you know, puts celebrity and politicians and certain people like that, they put them on these pedestals, like like that they're better than us.

1:28:11 Speaker 1: But in fact, it's it's always almost the case that it's it's the opposite that they're they're they're the most corrupt, they're the most you know, self centered, if you will, right, it's it's often the person that has the least that gives is willing to give the most. And and I've seen that large scale down to you know, homeless people, you know, just I won't go and get into it, but it's often those who have the least to give that do the most charity. And it blows my mind. So if we if we can equal that out a little bit, I think there'd be more incentive from people in government to want to do this.

1:28:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, I will national level, I agree with you, And in big states, the career politicians at those levels of the worst a local government, you don't have these problems nearly, No.

1:29:08 Speaker 1: Not not really.

1:29:09 Speaker 3: We need to have term limits and get rid of career politicians. It needs to be a service that we all do, or most of us do, periodically for short periods of time. That's how it was bottled with you. When the founding fathers founded our country, it wasn't supposed to.

1:29:25 Speaker 2: Be a career.

1:29:26 Speaker 3: We need to get back to that with term limits so we can have them better countries. So when you go into office, you're trying to do good while you're there, and you know you do the right decision, not what the calculus says get you the most campaigned donations, and then you'd focus on making sure that you know government governing us a governments proper job is to protect us from threats that we can't handle on its own. That's largely it, especially at the national level, shouldn't be anything else.

1:29:53 Speaker 1: We make a I talk about this a lot of the show with other because you know, I've I've had fortunate enough to I know some of the people that had their that had like their hands actually just spoke to one of them last night. Matter of fact, you know, the guys that were stationed at Malmstrom at mine not who were the ones that were in those facilities with their hands on the nuclear key, you know, so that if the call came down. They were the ones that were going to turn the key. Obviously there's two of them, but they were one of the two.

1:30:30 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people that have worked on nuclear bases because of what I do, and it's so I've been fortunate enough to kind of see a bigger picture. And I do think that if there is a sight of the apocalypse, most likely in my my head, I although I'm not factoring AI into that yet, so maybe that would change if if I started factoring AI in. Is if there is an apocalypse, I think the chances are very high that it originates at one of these nuclear facilities. So could that be why u AP are often seen again not to like throw you off, but is that why they are seen, uh, interacting with our nuclear weapons, turning them off, turning them on, showing us that we have that that they have the capability at any time to come turn these things on and off.

1:31:31 Speaker 1: Are you spiritual at all? Are you? I mean? What do you think? Uh?

1:31:35 Speaker 2: Are you? What?

1:31:37 Speaker 1: What's your what are your thoughts? Like? Uh? For being are you? Is there a god?

1:31:44 Speaker 2: Like?

1:31:45 Speaker 1: Is it just being good for the sake of good? Is evil real? Like?

1:31:49 Speaker 3: You know?

1:31:50 Speaker 1: I don't know where you stand on some of these things. I'm just curious.

1:31:53 Speaker 2: You've covered a lot of things.

1:31:55 Speaker 3: You know, I didn't work in the nuclear for so as a strategic care command and then or is it you strategic command? You know, a dealt with good into the nuclear weapons schools in Albuquerque.

1:32:06 Speaker 2: So I've been a lot. I spent a lot of time with this, and you know.

1:32:10 Speaker 3: I don't know for sure that we've been visited by aliens ear if they're out there, But to me, the Roswell thing and the timing of that nineteen forty seven does make perfect sense. You know, two years earlier we had our first nuclear debt that could be detected. Where would you go if you're looking into that New Mexico? Why else ad and Rosweld because you're trying to get in there there. So that does make a lot of sense that an alien civilization, if it was out there, is looking at that and following that the threat.

1:32:42 Speaker 3: But the nuclear weapons we've proven since you know, nineteen.

1:32:46 Speaker 2: Forty five that we can manage them and use them for good. They were used for good.

1:32:51 Speaker 3: In nineteen forty five avoiding an invasion of Japan. That was a good use of nuclear weapons. And we would not use them unless we had to. But if you've got, you know, a virus that's about to be released that's ninety percent lethal and is going to kill billions, and you can do a nuclear strike to not just kill the people that incinerate the virus and avoid that, and you kill maybe you know, ten thousand people. I would say it's a bad thing you've got to do it, But it's a good thing to a weapon for that.

1:33:25 Speaker 3: And if you've got to use a nuclear weapon to enforce the AI control Alliance and prevent the creation or release of a super intelligent AI agent that could wipe us all out, then yes, it's a good use of them. Nuclear weapons can be used, they can be controlled, and they can avoid bigger loss of life. So the anti nuclear movement, I've had zero respect for it, haven't had respect for it throughout my career. And the politicians who try to campaign on all nuclear weapons are all evil, evil, evil.

1:33:58 Speaker 2: Bad, bad bad doing that to buy votes, and.

1:34:01 Speaker 3: They're misleading people. Nuclear weapons in nineteen forty five saved not just hundreds of thousands of American lives, they save Japanese lives by ending the work without an invasion that would have killed millions to one hundred thousand of Hiroshima Nagasaki, and nuclear weapons have helped the peace for us ever since they have been managed well by government. Our government can do some things well. Our national defense is largely well managed.

1:34:30 Speaker 2: Not currently, but it has been.

1:34:33 Speaker 3: Historically thoroughly well managed, and nuclear weapons could be the saving grace for us to get an AI control alliance with the ability to stop super intelligent AGI. That's a threat that dwarfs the risks and the threats of nuclear weapons. AGI is the worst threat we've ever faced. And if we don't stop it, get people like Samul and then under control, not abusing us and risking our lives for their ego and profit, we're in deep trouble.

1:35:04 Speaker 1: I do agree with you there. I think we need to get that guy under wraps because I think he's risking a lot by playing the game he's playing, and he's playing it for profit. He's playing it for profit.

1:35:20 Speaker 2: Profit. But don't do your profit at the expense of my life.

1:35:23 Speaker 1: Oh and and like you know, the expense of a lot of lives at this point, you know, every if you're right, every single human life you know is in the hands of a few Silicon Valley lunatics, and who's you know. I don't know that they share the same values as I do. I don't often. I do not find Mark Zuckerberg relatable, no matter how long he grows his alien hair. I don't think he's an actual alien. But the guy looked like an alien for a long time, and you can see that. His pr team was like, grow your hair out.

1:36:03 Speaker 1: We'll get you a gold chain and a big black T shirt. So that and then you'll say that you do jiu jitsu, so you can appeal to all the Joe Rogan fans out there, and don't worry. You'll you'll you'll change your image overnight. It's it's not fooling me at least. I cannot relate with the Sam Altman. I cannot relate with an Elon Musk. I just cannot relate with people like that, and I find them to be repulsive to the most most.

1:36:35 Speaker 3: Uh.

1:36:36 Speaker 1: I would not want to sit down and have dinner with any of those people mentioned well.

1:36:41 Speaker 3: Well, Muscas called for AI Controls and Anthropic is another company that you have been working. So there are people pursuing AI who are trying to have safety and controls. But if their competitors are doing what open ai and Sam Altman does, which is disregarding safety and just selling, selling, selling to make as much as they can't regardless of the risk, it won't work. And you have to have AI control. So so Musk has been calling for controls on AI all along. He was an initial supporter of open ai back.

1:37:13 Speaker 1: Before he left before he hates Sam Altman, and I actually, I actually don't know why I said Elon. Elon is probably one of the only billionaires that I can relate to, but not in a way that is like it's in a different way. He's just he's he's definitely a different person. But the the it's really the the Zuckerberg, the Altman's, the the Silicon Valley like made and I know, you know he worked with Elon, worked with Peter teel on PayPal. That's how they got you know, rich in the first place. So, like I understand, I do get capitalism, and I think everyone has a has a right to you know, make a profit and but you know, provide services.

1:38:03 Speaker 1: But if those services like the reason I brought up religion and and your you know, how your beliefs and you don't have to answer it if you don't want. But some say a lot of people, in fact, say Tucker Carlson,

1:38:21 Speaker 1: other conservative people who are who are more Christian leaning, I would say, in fact, they're all Christian leaning now that I think about it, But they think that AI is demonic, that it is deriven, deriven. I can't. I can't pronounce that word right now. It is derived by some sort of evil, And I just wanted to know if there's any thought like that or does it even matter.

1:38:48 Speaker 3: No, I got AI is something that, you know, it's not a program, it's not created. It's something that just devolves as an eural network on its own. And so it's not something that can be program with any specific you know, religious fews. And even if you do try to program it to you know, never harm people. Well, we're already trying to.

1:39:08 Speaker 2: Do that and it's not working.

1:39:09 Speaker 3: I robot, and as it gets smarter and smarter and more capable, we have less and less. It's impossible to control. Again, that's the bottom line. You cannot control artificial intelligence. So that's why I said, compared to nuclear weapons, they're pretty damn easy to control. Artificial intelligence has far more destructive capability, and no good reason to believe you'll ever be able to control it. That's why it's the most evil and dangerous technology we've ever faced, and it's probably the last technology you will ever have, because I think if it's game over for us if artificial intelligence is not controlled.

1:39:48 Speaker 1: Very quickly with the well, it's already it's already being put into iPhones and every other phone is like pre installed, all my Mac devices, all my Apple devices. Now it frustrates me of it.

1:40:03 Speaker 3: I call it, and I get into some more political things in the book, but I call for the Constitutional Alliance, and there's another website that gets into that. But one of the reforms I want to see is I want it to be illegal if I buy something, whether it's a John Deere tractor or my phone, it's mine and I do not want anyone have the ability to force me to put a program on there, or force me to use Copilot. I'm so sick, but damn Microsoft Copilot. And I keep saying I don't want it. I can't install the damn thing.

1:40:34 Speaker 3: It's always popping up. Even on software like Zoom. It'll say do you want our AI tool? And I say no, and I click the block saying don't ask me? Doesn't it keeps asking me every time i'd like to see a constitutional amendment.

1:40:49 Speaker 2: That's one of the.

1:40:49 Speaker 3: Ones I call for a lot of them, is that if I buy something and it's mine and I've purchased it, you cannot control it.

1:40:56 Speaker 2: If I don't want your damn aspects of your program on it, they can't. You can't force me to use them.

1:41:03 Speaker 1: I think that's actually really really good. I think that would be because it is frustrating when because you know, we know that the n s A. You know, even though they know that they woud rather be known as no such agency as they once were, but we know that they exist, we know what they're doing. Uh, there's some questionable means, of course, you know, do I agree exactly what snowden?

1:41:29 Speaker 3: No?

1:41:29 Speaker 1: But did he expose something that is concerning absolutely? But if and then add AI to that, If you add AI to that, that kind of a system, how long before we're living in a police state, and artificially and and and one that isn't being overseen by humans, but one that is it no longer is being you know, is a human pulling the trigger. But it's it's automation that's not going to see the value of a human life the way another human would when may refrain from taking a certain action lethal action even though and you know, an AI might see it as as an ultimate good right.

1:42:24 Speaker 1: So I see where this could go really wrong. But I also see the world. Do you know the people also talk about AI taking over all the jobs and then universal basic income and then everyone just does what they want. I don't want that world.

1:42:44 Speaker 3: Well, you're not going to get that world. That's that kind of Pine the sky stuff isn't gonna happen.

1:42:49 Speaker 2: But any kind of.

1:42:50 Speaker 3: Bad technology, bad misuse of technology you've seen. You know, I don't worry about the NSA spying on me.

1:42:56 Speaker 2: I'm not doing anything wrong.

1:42:58 Speaker 3: But I do hate the fact that, you know, my phone and my email systems are used to market.

1:43:05 Speaker 1: Even though I always say you have a constitutional right to privacy.

1:43:09 Speaker 2: With that's part of the Ninth Amendment.

1:43:12 Speaker 3: It's not listed that you have a right to privacy, but the Ninth Amendment Constitution says you don't have to list it. You do have natural rights even if they're not listed here in privacy is one of them, along with property, and the right to be left alone, as George will put it.

1:43:25 Speaker 2: But anyway, back to your.

1:43:26 Speaker 3: Point on you spying on you, any bad thing that technology is doing today, AI can make much much.

1:43:33 Speaker 2: Worse or fatal lethal for you.

1:43:36 Speaker 3: I would say so AI makes everything worse. It's the worst disaster we've ever faced, and we should be controlling it, limiting it, and stopping it in the case of artificial general intelligence, and we're doing just the opposite. Our government is promoting us, our government is working to kill us. Well, that is what government does, because all they do is focus on where's the money, where's the reelection votes and the donations.

1:44:01 Speaker 2: And that's what the career politicians do.

1:44:03 Speaker 3: Well, that's the most fundamental problem underlying almost every problem you've got his career politicians.

1:44:10 Speaker 1: You know what also is it? And I don't know if you've you recognize this, but uh okay, oh one of them. My yeah, that camera just went out. That's wonderful. One second, there we go. Joe Rogan is very influential. I watch most of Joe Rogan's episodes. I'm a fan of his interview style. I study him and I find some of his guests. Of course, entertaining and I want to watch it. But he was speaking out largely about AI, speaking out about it for a long time, saying all the things that you're kind of saying today.

1:44:50 Speaker 1: And now he's every episode he's using a AI sponsor, and it's like, wait, where what what? What happened? Because now he's sponsored by this AI perplexity And they promote it literally every episode literally because they use that to like look up facts now, you know, whereas they used to just use Google like everyone else. Google has now even become it gives you an AI overview right when you search something. So it's just people are I feel like people people in general are just kind of submitting to it because again.

1:45:30 Speaker 3: You can't turn it off a lot of times. I mean, if you do a search on Google, they're doing AI. I don't think you can turn it off. But the more important thing is we've got to get a control. There are some good uses of AI. Absolutely every technology has some potential good uses, but this really has to be regulated.

1:45:47 Speaker 2: Right now.

1:45:47 Speaker 3: There's more government regulations on you know, you introducing a kid's toy than there is an artificial intelligence. Our government is absolutely irresponsible, absolutely insane and doing nothing to protect us where it should be protecting us, and then regulating us and issuing fines and spending money in areas where it has absolutely no business being involved.

1:46:09 Speaker 2: So we've got to, unfortunately, to save.

1:46:12 Speaker 3: Ourselves, we've got to reform government, term limits being number one thing we've got. We need a convention of States to get a lot of amendments passed, to get the Supreme Court to stop ignoring the ninth and the tenth Amendments, to have real limits to government, because government has to focus on protecting us.

1:46:31 Speaker 2: That's what it needs to be doing, absolutely not.

1:46:34 Speaker 3: Regulating and interfering and promoting dangerous technologies because they buy votes.

1:46:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, I will definitely agree with you there. If they're you know, to wrap up a bit, I'd love to have more conversations with you, of course, But if there was if there's one thing that you could tell someone or advise one the regular listener about how they can immediately, you know, take control of their future given any outcome that might happen, how what would you say to that person?

1:47:16 Speaker 2: Wow, that is a tough question, and I'm largely stumped.

1:47:21 Speaker 3: I guess just other than think for yourself and question everything. Look at the biases behind what's going on. I mean, I'm patriotic, I love the United States America, and I'm an Air Force Academy graduate or retired military officer. But our government is just a disaster. It's an absolute disaster. And the oath of office I took as an officer was to protect the Constitution of the United States, and yet you've got a government that violates the Constitution all the time.

1:47:49 Speaker 2: It's a mess.

1:47:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree. And so I mean, how can people like join the Fortitude Ranch And you know, that might be another way that that I mean, people can get take take a little bit more control, is to to I'm assuming you. I don't I don't think you have to lay out like the charges or anything. But I'm assuming there's some sort of membership fear, some fee that that pays into keeping it ready. So where can people go to get more info on that kind of stuff.

1:48:24 Speaker 3: Well, Ford Ranch dot Com is our website. There's information there. But the book that's just coming out, it's going to be released into January.

1:48:31 Speaker 2: You can order it now, but it's not out yet.

1:48:33 Speaker 3: Preparing to Survive in the Age of Collapse covers all the issues we've talked about tonight does give some good advice on life. There's something in their cult it's actually showing right if you're the Maxims for young men and women. It's kind of a personal philosophy code that used to be in the United States. It's unfortunately died out today. You know George Washington and Benjamin Franklin levels of morality and good conduct and how to live your life. But the book describes this in a lot more.

1:49:03 Speaker 3: It gets explained some of a Fortitude ranch in it. The Collapse Survivor app is the cheapest thing you can do for preparedness. Everyone needs to be prepared. If you can't afford to join Fortnitch, that's fine, you can still stockpile food. But I'll tell you the number one preparation is weapons. If you can't pretend, if you can't protect your supplies, all you've done is made yourself a more valuable target to attack. So everyone needs to have weapons to defend themselves. You absolutely have to add that, otherwise your supplies are just going to go to marauders and you could get killed in the process.

1:49:37 Speaker 3: But the books out then the Collapse Survivor app will give you a lot of preper education. It's dirt cheap and get an Android. And it's not just threat warnings. Everyone exercises, training, exercises in their lot of preparedness information.

1:49:51 Speaker 2: We're about that Wikipedia on it. And the neat thing is it's Wikipedia.

1:49:56 Speaker 3: Even if you don't have the Internet, our cell phone towers, It's stored on your phone. Through this advances they've made in the encryption than the compressing the data process, you can get now Wikipedia on your phone. So in a collapse, you know, you've got a great database it Gee, is this plant edible or is it poisonous? Well looking Wikipedia on your phone, So it's a really really great app out there.

1:50:20 Speaker 2: That's great survivor.

1:50:23 Speaker 1: And yeah, and I think people I think I think people are literally I think because I think it was more state. You know, what we do have in common is you know, coming from the UFO community, myself and you coming from the preparedness community, if you will, they've been highly stigmatized by the general public quote unquote you know. And I think it's you know, twenty twenty and what happened and just people becoming more connected with the Internet. I think people are just more understanding now of of what can really happen, how quickly it can become life or death situation.

1:51:12 Speaker 1: And you know, the the chances that we were born into this very civilized society. You know that that's not a right. It's something that we've we've built up and that we've earned. There was no guarantee, so you know, there's no guarantee that tomorrow that we're not sent back to the Stone age. You know, Uh, Mother Nature is ultimately at you know where we're at, it's behest for some sort of natural disasters and YadA YadA, YadA. List goes on and on and then add on all the the existential threats that we put on ourselves, like AI, and like you said, there's there's many reasons to be prepared for a future that is uncertain.

1:51:58 Speaker 2: So I I I.

1:52:00 Speaker 1: Thank you for your again for your service to the country and for coming on the show tonight.

1:52:05 Speaker 2: Really for sure, it's an honor to be on your show.

1:52:07 Speaker 1: Thank you, Uh, and we'll definitely have to talk talk again soon. You know, everyone that's listening in the future, watching or watching in the future, Like I guess all the links for UH the guests will be in the description, including his upcoming book boy was that title.

1:52:23 Speaker 2: Again, Preparing to Survive in the Age of Collapse?

1:52:27 Speaker 1: I think it's a there's one last thing. So actually, because I knew I missed something twenty twenty seven, you said something about twenty twenty seven, there's this thing in the UFO community that experiencers and these are people who've experienced UFOs and YadA YadA. Yeah, but anyway, and high level government officials they all keep coming and hinting at this twenty twenty seven date. So you know how we talked about AI and non human intelligence. I don't like to say aliens. I think that it's invokes little green men in people's eyes, and I want to stay away from that because you know that you and UAP stands for unidentified We don't know.

1:53:17 Speaker 1: Could it be future humans coming back to stop whatever calamity you know that you're preparing for. I think that is just as likely. And and you know, so that's not an alien, that's us. You know in the future. You know, maybe we've come across time travel or we've broken that code and now we want to go back and fix this problem. That it's our future, but they're past, and it could be again. This thing that you are preparing for. So I think that there is a lot more links between our worlds than we than we even know.

1:53:57 Speaker 1: So it's very interesting that you brought up twenty twenty seven though.

1:54:01 Speaker 2: Yeah it was a study AI twenty twenty seven.

1:54:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, them, it's very that's one of them. Very interesting and that that really caught my ear so I'm you know it it It gave me real pause. It was like a oh wait, ship, there's some correlation there because like you said, you know, alien and a non human intelligence and and AI they're both more intelligent than I. So, uh, you know, are we looking at some sort of you know, uh intersecting idea there is you know, is there a real difference between one or the other, because if one's a reality, they're all realities, and the implication again, it starts becoming enormous.

1:54:50 Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you so much. I'm probably rambling at this point. Oh god, but again, thank you for coming on the show. Thank you, thank you. I had a really good time. So I definitely love to talk more and talk talk about when more when your book comes out. So thank you everyone. I'll see you on the other side.

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