EAST COAST UFO SIGHTINGS EXPOSED- with Chrissy Newton

0:17 Speaker 1: I don't know what just happened there. That was odd. Welcome to Total Disclosure. I shall probably introduce myself and bring myself in the show. Today we are going to have an amazing show. I have a really really special friend coming on in. I am so I don't even know what just happened. Everything's glitching. I apologize for my unpreparedness, so I'm gonna stop this from the top, guys, today we have Chrissy Newton joining us and from UFOs and astronomy to ancient civilizations. Her curiosity is as limitless as the universe.

0:53 Speaker 1: By day, i'se owner of Votab Communications and an award winning pr professional with a knack for getting people talking. And by night she hosts and produces the space, science, futurism, and UFO themed video and audio podcasts called Rebellous Rebelliously Curious with Chrissydoton for a science and space news website called The Debrief. We're all familiar with The Debrief here at Total Disclosure, as we use and cite their articles very often. Christy has appeared on History, E Talk, HGTV, newstation, DASH Radio, News Talk ten ten Marketing magazine, and numerous other media outlets, while recently becoming a host of an Alien Encounter's fact or fiction show airing on Discovery Plus and HBO Max.

1:38 Speaker 1: Additionally, she serves as a partner writer and director of the pr for Debrief, The Debrief, and recent winner of the Canadian Podcast Awards for Best Science Series. So we're going to bring in Wow, my computer is literally just something's wrong. That was probably the worst intro I've ever had.

1:59 Speaker 2: No, well, I wouldn't say it. I just think it's I think maybe what I'm going to do is shorten my intros for people and just be like, this is Chrissy. She just does a lot of things.

2:09 Speaker 1: Well, all the tabs were literally flashing, so I'm like and then it was playing it back in my ear so I was like, oh my god, what is going on right? Like the whole system just like shut down. And it was very, very awkward. So I apologize for that really clunky intro. But we're here, Chrissy. Thank you so much for joining me.

2:31 Speaker 2: Thank you thanks for having me.

2:32 Speaker 1: Ty I got so, do you live in Canada?

2:35 Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, I live in Toronto mainly, but I'm in Los Angeles a lot for work for friends, I also just like I'm in I shouldn't even just say Los Angeles. I'm in the States a lot, traveling. Sometimes I'm out there, like if I'm meeting people, having meetings and just kind of going back and forth a lot, going to conventions if I've sometimes I've spoken at conventions, obviously filming when we did the show, so I've just I spent a lot of time. I'm in the States, but my home I am a Canadian and I live in Toronto, Canada.

3:05 Speaker 1: So everyone always tells me that I sound like I'm from Canada.

3:10 Speaker 2: I don't know what part of Canada, that's the question.

3:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't tell me. They just say that I have a such a like an app and I'm from Boston, so I turn my accent off, and apparently when I do that, I sound Canadian. Get it.

3:25 Speaker 2: That might be like the way when people say, like I say about. I think some people say a boot a boot, but I or sometimes I say about and people laugh. I think there's a lot of other words that we have that roof and rough that's the other one people say, and we say roof. There's just so many of them, but usually people think I'm American. And then when I start talking and I talk for a longer period of time, then usually someone in the States will be like, well, there's the Canadian in you, and then they are to point it out, so you know, I'm like, I'm sorry.

3:59 Speaker 2: It's like there is sorry there you go. Now officially of Canadian on the show. That's the number one is I'm sorry, We're sorry.

4:08 Speaker 1: Sorry.

4:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, I give that that one. Yeah, we get many fun of that one a lot.

4:12 Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. I like it. I deemed it. I like it. So obviously, you know, working with the Debrief, I think you're so your work with the Brief places you at kind of a forefront of UFO journalism. So I just wanted to start it off by saying, you know, how, how have you seen the conversation around UFO's UAPs shift in mainstream media over the past couple of years?

4:39 Speaker 2: For sure, in a couple of years. Well, at first, I would say, like, for sure, the debrief is a forefront in UAP reporting, and I feel very grateful I get to do that with the team. You know, Tim McMillan writes a lot about it, myself and Micah Hanks, we all come at it from different perspectives, which I think is really cool. And we do have mainstream media that follows us, and you know, we're we're a growing outline, but for sure we do talk about the topic a lot more than a lot of mainstream outlets do.

5:05 Speaker 2: But how is the narrative shifted? For sure since twenty seventeen and the article with Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal, the two journalists who wrote that article and really opened up the floodgates on the multiple programs, the program that was going on obviously with Louella Zondo, the twenty two million million blackpop programs that were earmarked, you know, and the funding which was a huge part that Healing Cooper thought was more of the story than the UFO aspect of it, which I think is kind of humorous.

5:35 Speaker 2: But I think that was when the that was the turning point I think in mainstream pop culture where people were like, we're going to take this serious. I think a lot of people forget that The New York Times has been reporting about UFOs from their earlier years, and you know, during the nineteen fifties, they were talking about it a lot, and they were really kind of unbiased as well, and they were sitting in the middle with reporting, and to this they still do as well. Right, it was very balanced reporting, I found and agree depending on who the writer is.

6:06 Speaker 2: We know that there's been tons of negative articles exactly once I could think of one, yes, But outside of him and maybe some other contributors, I do feel that that's kind of balanced reporting.

6:20 Speaker 1: Right.

6:20 Speaker 2: You can't always be positive. You have to show the negatives too, and so you just hope that that writer is not swayed in any degree or compromised in any degree. And if he's not compromised, then he's just trying to base things off what he feels are facts, right, or if he's evidence. But it doesn't mean that we just I don't know if he's compromised, and I think that's I don't even think the point of what we're discussing is. I think that is the mainstream conversation right now. Right, we have a lot of people that are agreeing or disagreeing about UFOs, and we need to do that.

6:54 Speaker 2: We need to have those hard conversations with each other, at least in the mainstream media and within the general public to get to a better idea of what these things are. We can't say yes to everything. We do have to say no too, right, we have to be mindful of both.

7:09 Speaker 1: Sorry, That's what I find so refreshing about Yeah. Did you hear it.

7:15 Speaker 2: About did you?

7:16 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I just heard it to.

7:19 Speaker 2: Our side, to the dark side, Canadian side.

7:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is apparently Donald Trump said it was the fifty first statement. I know you. Oh my god, I know what a troll. He is a god. But I was sorry, I just got off it, okay. But what I find super refreshing about you is you're very data driven and an analytical. What you bring to the table is very analytical. So you know, even in watching your show, your podcast, you're not quick to jump to a story and call it a UFO just just for the sake of, you know, a good story, you know, quote unquote sexy story.

8:05 Speaker 1: If you find, you know pretty easily that it's a satellite, you're gonna come out and say it's a satellite. And I find that approach is definitely needed in this community when you know, people are so quick to share everything that they they that they see or film in the sky.

8:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. Thank you for seeing that too. I'm like I think for sure. I think we all have a place in this. Like for mine, I liked as a journalistic perspective, that's my job is to be able to get to the facts and then communicate those facts. And there's my cat in the background. There's Isaac.

8:43 Speaker 1: There is yeah, Isaac, my buddy.

8:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so funny. Oh, he wants to get the tree. So you have it when you have cats on on podcasts, as I decide just to pop up and yeah, I think that the journalism side of me wants to be able to tell that's the story accurately with evidence and be able to back with sources because I feel that that is the most legit, and it also gives the ability when sources are on the record, it gives the ability for other people to do their own research and data analysis as well. Right, That's what That's why we source people, so that other outlets and maybe in civilian journalists can go and do their own work and find out more information.

9:21 Speaker 2: And it also just makes it more credible. So I do a here by journalistic standards obviously, like as much as we possibly can, I think that's the best guidelines to go by, especially since I work in news and write about it. And also it's just kind of the way I think. I do truly believe that something's going on, and I believe people, you know, I believe people that have seen something or they've experienced something. It just doesn't know that what they're seeing is always maybe what they think it is.

9:48 Speaker 2: It might not be accurate, and we can prove that it's not, which is like really great for the fact that we want to prove that things are not UFOs, to help us, help us identify that one percent that we still can't explain. And that's the part with thinking that I would like people to maybe reverse a little bit, is to think that let's let's let's try and prove all these things as much as possible so we can look at the less of that one percent to be like that's truly anomaloust and then we have better data sets on it.

10:18 Speaker 2: And to me, that makes uh, it's just to me, it seems a little bit more logical to do it that way. It's not a debunker. It's just someone trying to you know, narrow down to the closest to the truth.

10:29 Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's taking that scientific and journalistic approach where you know where in a while in a field that really doesn't allow as much as for you know, repeatability, and like, I want to prevent concrete evidence, so you have to be even more diligent than someone who's uh, you know, reporting on uh murder cases or whatever it is. I don't know, some more human So I understand that, and I really appreciate that. I think that that we need more like that in the community. So there has been a lot of talk about UAP incursions over a strictly airspace, particularly on my in my area around the East Coast.

11:22 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with what's or how familiar are you with what's going on right now?

11:28 Speaker 2: And do you mean from the drone and the stuff that's going on. Yeah, I'm really you know, I've I've spoken to different sources that would probably be closer to you know, working not I've spoken to many people that have worked in Intel throughout my career, but some of these people, for sure, I've spoken to other pilots, people that have a better idea how to identify these things. So some of them, you know, and are maybe closer to Intel than I am on a daily basis, and they don't even know to some degree.

11:59 Speaker 2: I think that what we need to be mindful of is that a you know, after observing this for like at least a month or the past couple of weeks consistently now within news media, I think we have to be mindful for sure. Some of these drones are people just messing around, right, There's a lot of those coming out and people doing I think there's a promotion once I shared it on my Instagram where it's like there's a drone and it's doing the ludacrous song roll Out. It's like playing it in the background, which is like hilarious because I shared it and somebody was like, is the aliens trying to tell me something?

12:35 Speaker 2: And really what it was was a promo for two DJs that we're like promoting a song and one of their ludicrous remixes, I said, roll Out, And it's hilarious and it's funny in marketing, but it's not helping us trying to figure out what's going on in the drone situation. So we're seeing a lot of like people's own independent drones, private drones, amateur flyers, amateur drone operators. But then we're also seeing like I think you were seeing a lot of these other size of drones out of the size of cars.

13:04 Speaker 2: Right, So there's a few things with that. We know that China recently, I think in January, there's a press release that went out that they do have drones now that are the size of cars. They have a self automated drone right now that does work automously and it doesn't need a pilot, and it's using it for hospital runs and tons of different things, and it can fit one passenger in it, and it has a drone shaped kind of body, the spider legs, and then it has a top. I don't know what the what it would look like in the evening, but I've seen photos of it in the day through some of these media outlets that have covered it.

13:39 Speaker 2: So I've looked at that and said, okay, well, we know China has the ability to have drone size vehicles. Right. The other conversation is, I know there's this huge nuclear conversation right now that's going on, but I believe there's a program called NEST and they look into It's part of a government agency that will go out and if there is something that any nuclear activity, they'll actually run out and go see what it is and obviously try to figure out what is the nuclear activity or what the product might be.

14:11 Speaker 2: So that team has not been called out so far from what we know, so I think we can rest assured that there's nothing nuclear or radioactive within what these drones are looking for. I think that's safe to say. Now. The question is and also now we've had the Department of Defense come forward and say that these drones there's nothing to worry about as a threat. You know, some of these they don't maybe know exactly what they are. Some of them are identifiable as drones, but there is no threat, and I don't think the American public believes that.

14:41 Speaker 2: And there isn't really any solid answers yet from what I know, unless something's come out today and I've just missed it. But from what I know, we don't have solid of why they're here, who are they and what are they If they are looking for something, what are they looking for? And if they're not, what are they spying on? Because it has been over a lot of military installation sites throughout not even not even the Germany, all throughout the US, but Germany and the UK have had the same issue. So if it is a foreign adversary actor, Then the question is who is it.

15:14 Speaker 2: If it is China, then you know they're flying in in air spaces with impunity and that and why are we lighting this happen? And there's two schools of thought of that too. But I'm talking so much, so I'll let you comment.

15:28 Speaker 1: Well, I've been working with different I don't know how much. I don't even want to be that person who says that I don't know how much I can say about what we're working on. But I'm working with a couple few members of Congress and I've contacted all. They have no idea and that scares me that it's kind of It's just it's a little bit unnerving. And you know, one of them sent me a message on signal that about the potential that they're looking for some sort of

16:07 Speaker 1: because I don't know if you heard the story, but in New Jersey some nuclear material came up missing, so you know it's it's what they need to do, yeah, right, radioactive materials.

16:19 Speaker 2: Some sort of program. Nest hasn't been called though, that's not that we know of.

16:24 Speaker 1: Right, right, And I believe Ryan Graves on Joe Rogan even said that he knows the people that if there was something like a nuclear situation, they would have more it would be more ground teams, yes, and he knows the people that would work it, and they're currently not working it. So I think rest is short. I think that that that is a little bit I think that's a little bit fear mongering, I think. But what the problem is is they've given so much room for speculation that theories like this start really airing people, right, And what the White House literally said, like, uh, you know, it's it's nothing, it's they're hot, they're they're they're all federally legally flying, and that is I mean, it's it's it's absolutely false.

17:16 Speaker 1: These things are flying at night. If they're there size of SUVs, they would require a permit from the FAA because it would be a large a large. Uh, it's it's a different classification than just a quad copter, right, and you'd need a special permit to fly it at night over residential areas, even just residential areas, and these things don't have that, and they're continuously seen going out over the ocean. So these are patterns that I'm sure you know are prevalent in this community. The ties between So yeah, how how wide?

17:56 Speaker 1: Why do you think the UFO community has attached to this story and really run with it. Do you think that someone is making you know, is someone is orchestrating that?

18:14 Speaker 2: No? No, no, I don't think there's a conspiracy on it. I think what happened is, you know, I this is the one thing I love about UFOs, and I maybe people realize this or not. When they get into the topic, they instantly get into national defense. Right. Once you like UFOs, you can't help but get into politics and defense or at least defense and understand it at least at least And so I think that ends up happening, is that those two end up colliding. They're colliding with each other more than ever.

18:43 Speaker 2: And it's something I even though I've been in the topic for UFO since I was a little girl, and then now as an adult, I realize, I'm like, God, I love defense information so much, like sometimes I enjoy it more than UFOs, right, you know, because I find it so interesting and I love the conversations about what's going on with China and you know, national extent. Yeah, And so I think we just end up you end up becoming if you become deeply interested in UFOs, I would say, then you automatically fall into those areas and then you start wanting to ask questions, and then you get involved into finding out voye reports or following the facts and the data.

19:22 Speaker 2: So I think it just kind of goes hand in hand, and that's why Arrow in its own way, if people like it or not, it is important because it's helping us find out what these things might be if they're foreign actors, but it's also helping us to find out what we love is UFOs. So if you know, and the one anonymously that we the one anomalist thing that we're trying to figure out is what are these things if they're here, which is true, there's something going on and we just don't know, potentially depending on what narrative believe.

19:51 Speaker 2: But right now in the American government says we know that there's something out there, we just don't know what it is and we're trying to prove them. But as this, as we grow and learn more in this community, the better we get at understanding what is UFO and not. So I think that this is why we're seeing a colliding of worlds coming together, right now and the mainstream media has been talking about UFO since twenty seventeen. So you know, once you get UFOs and sorry, my cat, once you get UFOs and military combining, they're going to collide.

20:22 Speaker 2: And I think that's what we're seeing now. And you're getting the average person now that's like what, Like that's the other thing we're getting all these new people that are like, hold on, is this unidentifying flying objects as aliens? Like we don't know? And it's like, well, this is why we're in this topic because it's finding out if something is what it is and if it is extraterrestrial or interdimensional whatever. That one percent is important, but it's also so important to understand what our adversaries are doing too, and how we have to obviously protect ourselves right, and how we have to work with allies and understanding that you know, those things are they do happen.

20:57 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, people don't always have our best and it's heart, so we do need to be on top of it, and civilians should understand what those things mean. So we've have a better understanding of world issues and national security in general.

21:11 Speaker 1: You know, right, especially because we know and so if we take on if the If we take the evidence that we have gotten to date, I think it does suggest and point to the fact that crash retrievals are they exist, They exist. There's some sort of program. I don't know exactly the name of it. I don't know if it's out of Lockheed, or if it's you know, uh, north of Grebman, or a combination of both. But it's safe to say that crash retrievals most likely are are our thing, and they're not just happening in the United States, you know, uh, China, Russia, those would be I would assume that that Russia especially has some sort of program that's similar.

22:07 Speaker 1: And if they are working on the city. If there is, like Grush said, a Cold War to kind of back engineer these these technologies, then you bet your bottom dollar we'll talk about defense, right Oh yeah, because I mean it gets, it gets, it gets real very fast, very quickly. If there is a breakthrough from an adversary, oh because and that I don't think it's happened yet, because if it had, we'd see it. Well.

22:38 Speaker 2: We know that drone supremacy in China, right, they have it like they're number one in any drone maybe.

22:43 Speaker 1: Even in our country. Yeah, I have a Chinese DGI drone dude nicely, so you know what I mean, Like, it's just that's the best drone.

22:54 Speaker 2: Well, and it's not we don't know if it's China, and let's hope it's not a foreign adversary looking at our nuclear install you know, or any type of warfare, because that's petrifying. So let's just hope that, right, I'd rather it be aliens, Let's right. I think we'd all rather that rather than looking at maybe a potential you know, war in the next coming years. And let's hope that doesn't happen.

23:20 Speaker 1: Right.

23:21 Speaker 2: So with that said, we do know that China has drones that have trans medium type of capabilities. We know that they can fly into the water and out of the water and in the water, into the atmosphere. We haven't seen them go to space yet, but we know they can do at least three of those things. They can do two of them, and we didn't have any technology that we know of. DARPA might and we just haven't publicized it, but we know China has shown us that China has drones that are the size of cars that are flying around like we know that this is possible, and we know that technology exists.

23:52 Speaker 2: Now, the other thing to think of is that if China has the size of drone cars flying around, well we probably do two. Right, you wouldn't be out too far off that type of technology. So it is if it's not a foreign advisary, let's hope it is. Only there's a government activity. The question is again, why are they doing it? And and if if they're looking for something, what are they looking for? And what are they observing? Because they are observing, that's for sure.

24:19 Speaker 1: Right, that was gonna be my next my next kind of question. But so I'll move on and I agree. So the connection between but UFOs and you know, nuclear weapons or facilities, it goes back decades and with incidents like the Malmstream incident in nineteen sixty seven, uh, with my you know, which involved my good friend Bob Sallas. That has been a case that's been on my mind very head. Just it's at the forefront of my mind lately.

24:54 Speaker 1: In your research, what do you make of the persistent link between you AP and nuclear technology.

25:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. I don't know why UAPs are doing that. We just know that they're observing. They haven't, as Luella Zonda has said, they haven't stopped a war, created a war in any of that regard. There's something that I did an interview with. It was last year, but a year ago I think this time. It was with Larry Hancock who was doing YEAH and he was part of the SEU, the Scientific Coalition of UAP studies, and he has released two papers along with Joshua Pearson that talks about intentions reports, and he looks at the industrial military complex.

25:34 Speaker 2: I believe it was between the I think it's a twenty thirty year span during the Cold War, probably just before it and I think just after too, for a period of time, and they analyze the data that comes through for military complexes and what UFOs were observing, and some of the things that they realized but then they were reserving, is that they would always go back when they were looking at and I'm saying around BCI missiles, ic ICBM, thank you Gosh, Dyslexia here missiles they were looking at. They were very interested in that any type of nuclear activity.

26:12 Speaker 2: But what they realized is that once they were observed for a period of time, the UAP would never go back to that installation ever again, which is yeah, So they and they noticed that over that theory or expand that they would see them, you know, looking around for let's say a couple months or a couple of weeks, and they would have multiple UFO sightings in one region and then it would just automatically stop and it would never happen again. So there's something to say about that correlation, and why are they not coming back?

26:42 Speaker 2: Did they get all of their data? What were they collecting? Why has it always been across segments across the states, And then they just looked at I believe, at shapes and other things that were consistency around those those area as well. And then what hasn't been released yet I think is that was a report on correlations and data, and there's there's obviously a lot more. It was about a year ago. I did that interview, so if anyone's interested, they can pop on my channel and watch it. Larry Hancock is just an amazing marketer and data analysis and does amazing data analysis and he really breaks down, like you know, and then he decides that later on in a paper and we talk about it kind of loosely about why they're doing in an attentions report after looking at that data and then saying maybe what were their intentions of why they were doing it.

27:30 Speaker 2: So that's something we maybe should be looking forward to coming out sooner then later. But it's super interesting. That's for sure, very interesting. I just actually it is right, and I and the paper people can find online as well and they can look it up and they look up Larry Hancock's work. But yeah, it's it's for sure is intriguing, and there's it is. It's it always goes back to nuclear all the time, all the time. I just and I also think the other big thing is that, you know, the past or two has been filled with things flying in our air spaces that we're not controlling, and I have a lot of concerns about that, even as a Canadian.

28:08 Speaker 2: You know, we've had it here over the Yukon. We've had Chinese blues say that, you know, Chinese blames. There's been Daniel Otis covered it really well at CTV here where we've had things that were shot down and they just released those images earlier this year. Kind of looks like a pac Man, funniest little UFO ever by our big UFO, but they didn't release all the information about what it was, right, they just shot it down and showed an image. So we're waiting on more and FO about that. And then there was also like, so we just we have all these things flying in impunity in our airspace and it's like, why is this happening to us?

28:43 Speaker 2: And why is intelligence not saying more about it? And are is American and Canadian intelligence that incompetent to be able to be able to handle these things? And if that's the case, then we need to start having really really hard conversations within government about people's ability and start hiring the right people that know how to be more competent in those spaces. And hey, I am not an intelligence person in that I'm only speaking from maybe what I'm seeing, and maybe I'm totally off base, which could be possible, but I think there are some concerns now, at least with these two major incidences that could be both foreign adversaries, and if they're both China, we need to start having some hard conversations.

29:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, because I mean there's got to be some sort of either there, Like you said, absolutely incompetent, because if these are truly just drones. Right, Let's say they're just drones, like truly man made drones and we can't track them. We're that we have what the richest, biggest, most advanced military the world has ever seen, and we can't track some drones. How How yeah, and and so that, like you said, it scares me. So if it's so, no matter what the outcome is, I think we have a lot of question, like big hard questions to answer because it's either that it's either one of our programs and it's black, in which case we do need to talk, right because where you know, it's where's the oversight?

30:27 Speaker 1: You're flying these things over residential areas? Yeah, flying these things over our sovereign borders? So why why are you doing that? And number three other Right, So, no matter what way, uh it, we have like they need to level with the American people and in doing so, the citizens of the world.

30:49 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think so too. We're having sightings now in Toronto. Apparently there's been drone sightings that people are reporting. Yesterday, I was reporting that on my Instagram and on my on my ex there's videos. So I've been looking into it and I just said, is anybody that knows I'm in this space in Canada. If you see a drone, call me in a Toronto. I'll be driving over there in the next minute to go look at it with you, right, Yeah, so I can take some footage of it and see it for myself too.

31:15 Speaker 2: I think the big thing though, Tim McMillan from the debrief made a really great comment when we were talking about this as a group, and this is something to be mindful of that. You know, counterintelligence obviously is a real thing, and there are tactics that you can do in counterintelligence, and there's always reasons for things. So I do truly believe that the intelligence community does know what's going on. They're just not saying what it is, and they're doing a poor job communicating. But there is a tactic in intelligence that you use, and I believe it's been used in two previous wars where you have your foreign adversary, you know that they're coming into your airspaces, or they're analyzing a specific region for data information that they're trying to collect, So they end up, you know, observing something for a long period of time, and and so we're looking at them and we let them observe it so that we can data collect on them, so then we learn more intel.

32:10 Speaker 2: It's you know, let's sit back, relax, let's see what they're doing, because we didn't know that they were going to go do this, so now we're going to go let them look at it. Well, now we're learning their intentions just as much as we're learning their intentions and what they're caring to observe. So we're observing them, well they're observing us. So it's a great it's a great technique to use for counterintelligence. So maybe that's something that we're doing too, and the government's just not saying that for the fact that they don't want that to be known that the foreign adversary because media would spread that wildfire, and obviously foreign adversaries watch American television very closely to see what kind of propaganda has been either propagated to us or to them, so that that could be a possibility and there might be reasons, and you know what, that would be great.

32:55 Speaker 2: If that's the case, then maybe we are doing our job then. But I think at this point, at some point in time, if it's not now, if it decides to stop an operation for US learning intel, then I would hope in the next year or two they give us an idea of what the heck was going on. They can't not tell us, you know, they can, but you know, you can't keep doing that to the American public because or the Canadian public, or anyone in North America, let's just say, or are between our two countries, right even in Mexico.

33:25 Speaker 2: But they should be mindful that because people are going to stop trusting the government, and they already don't trust them. You're just going to say, yeah, you're just going to keep fueling that that and we don't want that anymore. Nobody does.

33:38 Speaker 1: Nobody does. And it's it's it's I'm just we're over it. We're over the eyes, and it's I've been talking about this lately. Did you watch James Fox's new film. I haven't watched it yet. I know what it's about. I know, I've I know a lot of those key players. I think we've seen a lot of the other interviews that have come out before the film.

33:58 Speaker 2: But yes, we do. I do know for sure, loosely what it's about.

34:02 Speaker 1: Okay, So how put Up made a comment in the film and it ties back to other other comments he's made in the past. Uh, specifically at the Soul Conference, the first one. I don't know if you remember that first one there? Oh you were there? Okay, even better? Did you watch him speak?

34:25 Speaker 2: I did. I met him actually, very lovely, man, I met him very quickly.

34:30 Speaker 1: Okay, interesting. Well, so he openly admits to being part of this group, this this uh think tank in Washington, d C. And when he got there, he looks around he sees that it's made up of businessmen from corporations, intelligence community officials, high ranking military, and other people like himself. So h. Ultimately, they come to this conclusion I'm gonna skip of ray wa. They come to the conclusion that disclosure is not sustainable, and they cite some reasons. Those reasons being that Company A might get mad that they had that Company B had access to meta materials.

35:15 Speaker 1: Then Company A wasn't, so Company B excelled, right, So then they sue Company B and the government. Uh. They talk about, you know, collapse of sovereign borders economies, and like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but that doesn't matter to me. I mean, you made the bed, lie in it, now it's time to lie in it. And I just don't think that you can pigeonhole this type of information. It's it's almost like you're going to hide that snakes exist. Right.

35:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there is a lot of information that has not obviously been put forward. The question is is what is accurate and what's not? You know, disinformation is a real thing. We do forget. I think sometimes that And I'm not saying that what louel A Zondo and David Grush are saying is not accurate. We you know, we broke that story with David Grush at the debrief with Leslie Canaan Ralph Blumenthal. So it's not saying that those sources aren't accurate or what he's saying is not accurate, but the narrative has been consistent in UFO lore for a very long time.

36:28 Speaker 2: Richard Dodey said the same things, and he did a disinformation campaign a Linda mownenhow and Paul Benowitz, and he was saying very similar things in documents that David Grush and louel A Zondu were claiming. So, you know, that's one of the first incidents, and that's why it's so important because you know, let's, for example, someone in the former White House employee told me the best disinformation is ninety percent real and ten percent fake. Right, So the question is with Richard Doty, was that ninety percent actually real and and some of it was?

37:01 Speaker 2: And then he said it was he lied and said it was fake and all of it was fake and maybe some of it was real, and then the question interviewed, well, right, and maybe the question is that maybe none of it is. And so there's a lot of little moments in UFO lore that we have to go. We've told this story twenty different ways backwards, so we know that it's just kind of resurgenced itself every couple of years. Now. We just need the paperwork to show the facts, and we need to see the evidence. And that's what people are wanting, you know, they want to see the craft, They want to see the photos, they want to see better videos.

37:37 Speaker 2: You know, that's what they want. And if you're saying that they walk among us, we need to be able to see some solid evidence about that. You can say that there's craft retrievals and that might there's more evidence to point to that, I would say than there is that they walk among us and that they're cohooting and working with the American government, and that they're working around the world. You know, that's a hard stretch. We've heard that in many different lore But again, if that is the case, then we need to start seeing that evidence.

38:05 Speaker 2: And I think if it is the case, no one's going to stop. At this point, we're having a conversation about it. It will it will one day, one day, have to because no one, no one's going to stop this. It's going to keep going. It's just going to get bigger and bigger, and so they have no choice but to do some for some type of disclosure at some point. I just we're not sure we're living in it. But what is that bigger disclosure going to look like? Well, I think we'll see.

38:31 Speaker 1: Do you think that that we've been put on a d OD approved disclosure timeline of some sort. I hear there's yeah, possibility.

38:45 Speaker 2: Well, I hear this timeline conversation all the time. I've heard it from experiencers, I've heard it from the science community. I've heard it all over the place. I don't know if there's a timeline, you know, I don't know what the I sorry, I know that there is conversation of it timeline. I just don't know what that timeline is, and if there is, then it's going to show itself at some point in time. Right we'll be living in it and part of it. I just hope that it's a narrative that at least is a peaceful one in the end of it, because the stuff that I'm hearing is not that positive.

39:18 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, everything I'm hearing is negative. So I don't want that to be the case for all of us. Because put it this way, I'm a millennial. I'm not sure how we'll do our tie, but you know, I'm with you. Yeah, I'm so tired of going through so many different things. And I know obviously our generations like World War two and World War One have gone through harder things than we have, but we've gone through a lot of psychological stuff within our generation that's being consistent with wars, pandemics, economic crisises, three wars.

39:49 Speaker 2: I think it's time that now it's like, we can't can't keep going like this, So I'm just hoping that there's some more optimism in the end and bridging that. The only way that we will probably be more optimistic is through science and technology. Advancements and like focusing on edge science because it will help prove humanities issues and challenges and work on solving those. So we need to really think about funding it and how that's kind of like our shining beacon right now. I think in optimism and that will help us prove UAP as well and what's going on.

40:23 Speaker 2: So I think we just need to lean and you know, lean into edge science in frontier science more than ever now to be able to help shine some lights on what's going on and give some optimism rather than maybe some world's conflict that's happening right now.

40:38 Speaker 1: Okay, that's yeah. I couldn't have said that better myself.

40:42 Speaker 2: Thank you.

40:44 Speaker 1: Someone like you. I mean, how did you get into such a topic? Did you have your own experience, your own you know, citing, How did this career kind of unfold for you?

41:02 Speaker 2: Yeah? When I was a little girl, my dad showed me a photo that he took of a UFO with a group of people, and it's like a we have My dad still has it. He has it like in his safe and stuff at his house and it's a negative too, and I'm going to blow it up one day. He's got to bring it out. I keep telling him to do it, and he's just like, I'll do it this winter, and I was like, bring it out, so I want to. He's given me some other stuff that I have that has been passed down. He's been collecting things throughout his life, so I have some of those.

41:30 Speaker 2: I just don't have that. Yeah, I just don't have that photo. So I want to blow it up and put it as an art piece in my house, to be honest. But that's really what started me in the topic was just seeing that photo and you know, being so close to both my parents and my dad and listening to him talk about it and just really intrigued into UFOs and then anomalist things and scared of them, but also like super intrigued. So that's where it all started for me, and then just kind of seeking it out. I made a real commitment to myself when I was twenty five.

42:01 Speaker 2: I'm aging myself now to make a commitment to like actually know go deeper and to know who these players are. So I started going to like go into the UFO Congress, Alejandro's Rojas's Compress, UFO International EUFO Congress, and went there. I met people and just like was listening, and went on crop circle tours and into London, England. Yeah, and just did all these things that I could get closest to the phenomenon where it was like tangible for me, and met people like Gary King, who are an amazing crop circle researcher down there and learned a lot from him, and spent about four or five days with him, jumping to prop circle to crop circle to learn about them.

42:45 Speaker 2: I don't know how much I know if they're real, but I they're beautiful pieces of artwork. That's what I always tell people, like they're they're stunning. And it's such a cool experience to be in, and and there's just there's there's so much to learn and experience. And I've always been very inquisitive and also just love things around philosophy and history. So it's just it all collides. UFOs have everything. They've got it all. They've got drama, uh, mystery, politics, science, philosophy, history, it's it's got everything, community, storytelling, entertainment like and drama.

43:25 Speaker 2: Now I think there's more. It's funny. I don't even watch, you know, drama entertainment shows. There's more drama in the UFO community than there are in the TV shows I watch. I watch that stuff and so and even in my personal life, I don't even have that compared to all the stuff I see in the UFO space. So I always laugh because I'm like, people are like UFOs. I'm like, if you like drama and interpersonal conflicts, join the UFO community. We want you, Yeah, because there's lots of that, There's tons of it, but the yeah, that's really what you're me towards.

44:00 Speaker 2: It was not just not the drama, but really just all the other things that I enjoy and just finding that the people that are in the space, not all of them, but some of them have a lot of pillars that are common. I think it's truth and transparency they really enjoy and want, and a form of community to around that space or connection I'll say, maybe not community, but connection. People like to connect on this topic and they like to share ideas. You have to be kind of a little bit of a spy in this topic.

44:33 Speaker 2: And yeah, and you also really want you like truth and transparency. And I very much relate to those people in my life. Those are my friends in my life. My people in my general circles are people that I trust in, people that really care deeply about the truth, and they care deeply about being transparent. And so I think that that's other reasons why innately I'm probably in this topic as well.

44:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that you know, what I find really really unique about the UFO topics specifically, is that not all I mean, we see it in we see it even in government. Right, it's bipartisan for the most part. It's it's one of the only topics, if not the only topic that you'll see AOC and Nancy makes in the same room, right, agreeing, right, And and that's crazy to me, But on a fundamental level, when you actually start thinking about it, UFOs, right, even though the U does stand for unidentified, most people tend to think that they're they're they're piloted by a non human intelligence.

45:44 Speaker 1: So what that does is when we start talking about UFOs and extraterrestrials, non human intelligence, it it transcends us, transcends the conversation from a white person talking to a black person or a straight person talking to a trans person. It transcends that into humanity talking about a non human intelligence. Right, So it puts us all on equal footing if you in a way, and I find that to be unique.

46:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I agree with that. We don't talk about ourselves. We talk about the topic exactly. Yeah, and I yeah, and I think that that's wonderful. People get together and they just share information and they might talk about their experience adjacent to the topic, but they ask questions and then they share information. And then we exchange experiences too, if people have had them, and then you're listening to them. So there's that. But yeah, we do talk more about the topic or we talk about history, and we want to exchange information and ideas, and I think that's really fun.

46:56 Speaker 2: And then there's you know, every time I've gone to a conference, if I've spoken at it or have just attended, you know, it's after in the hotel and everybody's like hanging out until like two am or like eleven o'clock twelve o'clock a night, having a drink and just connecting. And that's the other part, Like there is that connection point to that some of my closest friends now, outside of like my friends in Toronto, I've met some really amazing academics that I probably thought i'd never have in my life, you know, and they are someone that I can call and chat with and just talk about this topic with and have different perspectives.

47:30 Speaker 2: They might be anthropologists, they could be, you know, someone work in science and technology. Some are neurologists, so I can have those conversations with them. And for a woman that's in journalism and started in communications and public relations. It's not that I don't think that I'm smart enough to o those conversations. It's not that at all. It's just that the science communities, I think are really great because in the UFO space, are great because people are always open to have those conversations.

47:57 Speaker 2: Right. That's how you learn, that's how you connect, that's how you exchange information and you grow better. And there's for sure people can be snobs in certain aspects, but I find that the science community, compared to like finance and other communities and other industries, are very open to have time and spend time and to learn and to connect, especially within this area of the topic. So that's it, and I just feel very grateful that I get to have these conversations with people that are brighter than I am, and I learned so much.

48:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I learned so much from them every day, and I feel very grateful because I think at the end of my life, I'm feeling going to probably feel my brain will feel very fulfilled with all different types of knowledge that I've been able to collect because of these people. So yeah, very techful for them. Yeah.

48:45 Speaker 1: Sometimes I you know, I was even telling this to someone the other night. Sometimes I like, I have to pinch myself because of the people I can literally just call and next thing, you know, two hours have gone by, and you know, these are some of the people that I've I looked up to for maybe since ever, you know, and now I get to work with them, and it's just it's really been amazing. And so I get that not quite on that level. I don't have anthropologists contacts that would be awesome, but.

49:21 Speaker 2: A hearing, I've got tons that you can talk to.

49:24 Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. I would love someone I really really like I. In your bio you You're you said you were interested in like ancient civilizations. That is a conversation that I can't get enough of lately. So it's it Maybe next time we can get into that. But

49:46 Speaker 1: in You've covered plenty of high level discussions about u aps, uh what's one event or development in the last you know, year two years that you think has it maybe received the attention it deserves.

50:00 Speaker 2: Oh geez, Oh, it's a hard one. I know that's a hard one because I think that they if it's like for sure, there's probably cases I haven't even heard of that need attention, which would write sense. I don't really know, you know, I do. The first thing that comes to my mind, and I think a lot of people obviously know of the UFO community and maybe more from a mainstream perspective was the movie Aerial Phenomenon by Ranald Nickerson about the kids that were in Zimbabwe bob Oh. I think that had like a really big time within the UAP space, but I feel that the mainstream did not pick it up as much as they possibly could, and I feel that that really needs a resurgence in it because Reynald did a fabulous job.

50:48 Speaker 2: Ryald Nickerson is one of the best directors, if not the best, I will say actually in this space. He knows how to storytell. His cinematography and his editing is unbelievably beautiful, and he really captured historic and historical moment and he fact checked it and I you know, I've spoken to Rental on length about this, and he did his due diligence, and he also wasn't saying narratives that weren't correct. You know, he was trying, he was he was literally using every resource that he had and told the story beautifully.

51:23 Speaker 2: So I think that Ariel needs to have another resurgence again in this space, and I think it will. You know, I think it will become a cult classic. It's had its like moment that lifted up and then it's kind of just you know, stayed as a as a one of the best films in the UAP space, if not I feel the best. But in the mainstream it we're just not ready yet, I think, or they're not ready yet, and it will have this massive resurgence at one point in time where people will look back and go, this is what this was actually going on and we knew it was, and people will rush to that film, you know, like for example, remember Donnie Darko not saying comparative, but you know, Donny Darko is like a cult film, right, cult classic, cult classes and now it's like totally revered and people love it and people watch it probably more now than they did when it first came out.

52:11 Speaker 1: So when it first came out it was actually a flop, I'm pretty sure.

52:15 Speaker 2: And Ariel didn't flop. I won't say it flopped at all, But I'm meaning like it will have its resurgence one day where people will go back and there will be this whole new generation ner group of people that will somebody will find it and spark it.

52:28 Speaker 1: You know, well that that that's actually kind of a good segue because it's a question I wanted to ask, especially from someone in journalism and who does actually research cases. Do you think that in the future, with the advancements in AI, you know, photography, manipulation, video manipulation, do you think that's some of these older cases like Malmstrom Zimbabwe, the older cases with the photos that you know, what, the videos, do you think those will become more revered because that that wasn't it wasn't a thing yet, right, it was, it was not a technology that you know, was around.

53:16 Speaker 1: Therefore, you know, those pictures, those documents, those videos become much more valuable and intriguing because of the swath of you know, hoaxes and CGI that are on the internet now.

53:34 Speaker 2: And yeah, oh for sure, I think that one hundred percent. I would say that more than likely will be able to probably prove a lot of things that were not u AP and or were or sorry that are not you or we thought we're u AP and not. Probably more likely we'll be able to say narrow in on it and be like this was this, or be able to analyze stuff a little bit better. So I feel that, but there will be cases that we will for sure look back that will be revered for a very long time, especially the ones that have a crap load of evidence that goes around it right from people.

54:08 Speaker 2: It could be from material, it could be from media clippings, it could be from video, can be testimony, it can be all of those things. And if we have a lot of it, then we'll be able to really look back and analyze it more. But you know, I do look forward to the time when AI is like super advanced where we're able to do that type of processing, like it's going to be pretty wild. And let's be honest, maybe they're doing it now in the government, we just don't know, like they're doing some form of AI and cross collection of data and analyzing.

54:38 Speaker 2: How could they not be.

54:40 Speaker 1: I feel like if they aren't, I'd be upset.

54:43 Speaker 2: Well, And if they're not doing it for UFOs yet, it is because they're too busy, you know, worried about other things that they're focusing on doing data analysts and analysis. So that's one thing for sure. So and they'll maybe moving on to UFOs in a few years. But I feel that errow it is probably using AI to some degree. And obviously tech and the other partners that are looking into this with AERO are probably doing the same thing. Why wouldn't they be use the technology you have?

55:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, there's often there's there often often there's often speculation that nations other than the US might lead UFO disclosure. So with growing transparency from countries like you know, Brazil, Mexico, Japan, do you think another country could outpace the US and revealing critical UAP data.

55:33 Speaker 2: That's a great question right now, I'm going to say no, doesn't mean that they can't, Like, let's be honest, right, anybody could. It just depends on what evidence they have and what are they going to bring forward if they have a craft that they're pulling out, and you know, and like so who says they can't do it? That's for sure, So yes, potentially, but more than likely. I think that, you know, a lot of the UFO records have been released around the world and internationally already, and those have become available for people to look at that data, and they still haven't done it yet, And everybody keeps looking at the States, and the States has not released all of its UFO information.

56:10 Speaker 2: Canada has released a whole bunch, so I think that they're still looking for the States that has more of that intel and know what's going on. I think, you know, I think they are waiting for that, but it doesn't mean you know, they tried to do it with the mummies in Peru and you know, and unfortunately, you know, I don't really think that that was accurate information, right, Yeah, And the more that that is done, the more people will stop looking at this topic, and the more that people won't take specific countries seriously when they if they do come out and say that they have something, they might not believe it because they're calling wolf.

56:48 Speaker 2: So I think that the States the only reason why. And China we just have to be mindful about because everybody's great at serving propaganda up so we can't just be like, oh oh, my gosh, China has come forward and said something. It's like, well, no, we have to see if this is propaganda first before anything. And I don't know. With Russia, maybe they would, but I am not too concerned technologically with Russia. I'm more concerned with China.

57:13 Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, I did you see that thing about the cancer vaccine?

57:21 Speaker 2: No?

57:22 Speaker 1: No, yeah, Russia is claiming to have some sort of m r n A you know, uh, cancer vaccine that they're gonna be. Yeah. I wish Jamie pull it up. Sorry, I don't have a Jamie damn it, right, goddamn, I'm not Joe Rogan pull it up. Yeah, one day, one day exactly. Uh yeah, it's it's I'm still kind of like trying to find but it is being reported by mainstream media as well.

57:59 Speaker 2: That might be, I might be propaganda.

58:02 Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking, right, That's what I was thinking. But they're they're this. I'm just I mad.

58:10 Speaker 2: You see the Peer reviewed journal on that one.

58:12 Speaker 1: Right, But imagine yeah, no, just imagine for a second that somehow some Russian scientists cracked it.

58:22 Speaker 2: Right.

58:23 Speaker 1: Obviously Putin will take like inevitably use that as propaganda, no matter what, Right, uh, and try to make himself look better. Uh, what if he gives it to the What if it works and he gives it to the world. I mean, they're gonna have a hard time. They're gonna have a real hard time pushing that narrative if he cures cancer.

58:47 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, like I'd be wild. Yeah, I Well, I don't know how much money Russia would make from that.

58:54 Speaker 1: A lot.

58:56 Speaker 2: Well, they're saying they're gonna give it away for a free Yeah, that's propaganda problem. Yeah, pudding has never been that nice. Why would you be this nice? Also, he said the same thing about the COVID vaccine, that they had this unbelievable vaccine too, but I don't think it was working very well in the beginning. So who knows. Maybe they do, but I I just don't don't buy it. I hope they Let's be honest though, For cancer research and everything else, I hope that's the truth, you know. I hope that we get to that point, because you do need to be able, you know, to be able.

59:34 Speaker 2: Vaccines and other things are advancing so quickly because it is helping us with certain diseases and prevention of certain diseases, and things, and it's really important. We do need that. The more that we advance, the more people we have on the planet, because there's a lot of us here, really a lot. I think it's like a million of us. That's a lot of people, it.

59:53 Speaker 1: Is, it is eight billion. Yeah, and that you know, I only bring that up because, like I said, you know, could this be something reverse engineered? You know, got got not reverse engineer. Maybe that's you know, kind of pulling too hard at the conspiracy tug. But it just that's where I'm you know, going with that whole thing, like off another country. Where to come out in uh, reveal something as big as it is right the UAP issue. You know, would the US come to their aid and say, you know what, it's time, clearly it's time, or would they try to say we don't know what they're talking about?

1:00:39 Speaker 1: This is absolutely nonsense in a world where you know, people are very divided. I think I think we're gonna have a tough time with disclosure no matter what.

1:00:50 Speaker 2: Oh I think, Yeah, I I I don't think we're ready, you know, like I think some people are ready. Don't get me wrong, I think you don't already of us. Yeah, but I don't think the global you know, I don't think the global world is ready for it. I think that well, first of all, maybe we're ready to have the conversation, but once we're told that, I think it will be First of all, I don't think people will believe we have I call this a pandemic of not believing that we live in right now. It's not a pandemic of certain things.

1:01:24 Speaker 2: It's people not believing each other. I truly believe that we see it all right, right, We see it all the time, and people don't believe each other and for many things that have happened to them or experiences. So that's an issue. And also I just don't think, for example, that we look at COVID, everybody was buying toilet paper, Like they freaked out and bought toilet paper when we found out we had a pandemic. So why the heck are we going to be ready when we say that, you know, extraterrestrials here and they'll walk among us.

1:01:50 Speaker 2: People are going to be like what, Like they're going to start looking for them, and like people are going to go I think they're not. They're going to lose their bananas. A very big chunk of people. If we can't handle COVID, how the heck are we going to handle UFOs or something interdimensional that we can't explain. It's about how they go about doing disclosure. I think if, for example, if we say we find something, which would be more than likely the James Webb telescope is like, hey, we found something, and it's really far away from us, so don't worry.

1:02:20 Speaker 2: No, they can't, probably won't get here. Maybe they have, We're not too sure, but we know that they're really far away, so there's no way in this generation that they're ever going to hurt you. Then would be like, okay, cool, let's find out who they are. Let's send probes there, let's send communications. You know, you can see all these people making all their homemade devices trying to you know, communicate to like some other Oh no phone, oh civilization. So I think that won't cause pandemonium.

1:02:46 Speaker 2: But saying that they're here, or that they've always been here and that we don't know what they are and we don't know how to protect you to any type of that wording is going to scare the crap out of people. And if we again, they're probably going to start builing toilet paper, you know.

1:03:00 Speaker 1: Like, that's so funny that you can't, because you're right. They would. They would like toilet paper is the first thing to go every time.

1:03:07 Speaker 2: Just stock up on TP and you'll be fine. But I think that that's like we've seen that, right, and again, I do think that a population of the world, like the religious communities, I don't think they're going to go haywire because it's very embedded.

1:03:21 Speaker 1: I think they're the best prepared.

1:03:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, they are the best prepared. So because they already believe in the Catholic religions already believe in angels and demons, so non biding definition are non human right right, nhis and so right, so that I think they're prepared for I don't think we need to worry about those communities. I think it's the average person being like, oh my god, how do I protect my family? What does this mean to me now? In the world. I think that people will have a hard time with it. I don't think they're I just I don't know if we're fully equipped yet mentally to deal with it, because we couldn't fully equip mentally deal with a pandemic.

1:04:01 Speaker 2: I don't I just maybe it's a bad comparison, but I just don't know.

1:04:05 Speaker 1: It's no, it's not. It's because it's it's something that it it COVID, right at one point in the beginning, when people really didn't know what was going on, like truly, it was this invisible disease that could get you right, or or it was this invisible infection that could be anywhere it could it could get you right. And and

1:04:32 Speaker 1: I it's it is a good comparison because it didn't matter if you were black, white, straight, gay, green, blue, yellow, didn't matter, rich, poor, nothing COVID affected everyone at that time the same, Right, That's how we were looking at it, and this one too. Obviously there's more nuance to both, and obviously there's there's a lot more than just what I said on the surface. But for the most part, I tend to think that you are you're right, and that that kind of disappoints me because any disclosure would then become catastrophic.

1:05:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't want it to be catastrophic. I just think that it would take a long time for people to adjust. I think off the hot people will be like they either won't believe it, and then some people will freak out, right.

1:05:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so did this happen to you? It?

1:05:27 Speaker 2: A lot of people didn't believe it either, and a lot of people freaked out.

1:05:30 Speaker 1: I know you, yeah, and that's what I mean. So did you did because you've been engulfed in this information for so long? Did you ever kind of have like existential like almost too much.

1:05:44 Speaker 2: All the time?

1:05:45 Speaker 1: Yeah?

1:05:45 Speaker 2: Right, I go through my own I always say, like I've been in this topic. That's why I don't think we're ready. It's not because my experiences is what everyone's going to experience. We'll experience different things based on our experiences in life and how our brains operate and how they're programmed. But I will say from knowing my example of my life and being experiencing this topic forever always thinking that UFOs were real, never thinking that they weren't real. Growing up right, I never really questioned that narrative.

1:06:18 Speaker 2: If anything, I just wanted to know what they were, right. I never was like, well, this isn't real. So I've always lived in the space that they were real. Now learning new information, I have paradigm shifts, especially the David Gress information. When that came out, I went Okay, if this is part of a confirmation to some degree, then what about Debbie down the street? You know that was a real concern for me. I was like, you know, I was worried when we released that article a little bit, you know, what she might do or what she would think, and how would it would affect her.

1:06:54 Speaker 2: You know, that was a real concern for me because I was also having a hard time at moments jesting information and really truly being like if this is like this is all accurate, Like why am I working? Why am I not on a beach? Like like reality is not real, like everything you've told me, and knowing that that could already be a possibility being in this space consistently, it was a weird. If it was a confirmation to some degree. I'm not saying it's fully all accurate with David Grush said, but you know it's it made me think, and for sure a good couple of weeks I was sitting there turning my wheels so I do go through my own mini paradigm shifts, already being in a space of thinking that this stuff is true, right, and what is the person down the street going to do when they've never ever thought about this topic their entire life, and or they just thought about it and said, oh, it's hogwash and yeah, and then there's all that day and there's all this evidence in proof and all these things come forward, and they go, oh my gosh, what are are they going to look back and be like, was everything I told a lie?

1:08:03 Speaker 2: Like what I what? Was I believing my whole life? And some people might be like, sure, whatever, like I'm not surprised and move on. But I think there will be a segment of the population that's going to have some existential crisis to some degree. Yeah, but we all go through them. I think at some point, have you.

1:08:19 Speaker 1: Tyler, Oh my god, almost three times a week? Yeah enough, literally, like three times a week. I'm like, what the fuck Jesus, It's true. And so you almost feel like you're like sometimes I feel like I am outside of the matrix a little, like like I'm a little bit more removed than average Joe. Right, yeah, you are as well. So it's almost like you watch everyone just live in their lives and you're like, you guys don't know, Like, what do you guys doing?

1:08:53 Speaker 2: I don't know? Right, A lot of people don't care and that's the thing again, like they don't belie even they don't care. And I think again, those are like kind of pandemics that we have. We need to really start caring about each other, and we really need to start like believing people and then maybe we'll start to find some truths and things, because most people just walk day to day and I think this is really sad, and it's I see it both in Canada and the States and around the world. You know, people don't really care about each other.

1:09:23 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, They just they care about their family and their friends, and they don't really care about anything else. And hey, you know, like sometimes people have different struggles that they obviously need to worry about first. In real life Maslow's hierarchy of needs, there's some people that are just unfortunately just trying to build a foundation in a base and get by and are working for jobs and have to pay, if you know, have to put food on the table, and thinking about anything else except for surviving.

1:09:51 Speaker 2: Is real. We see them developing nations everywhere else. They don't have time to think bigger because they're too worried about surviving. And so once you thankfully, if you're privileged enough, depending on where you sit on this high hierarchy of Maslow's needs. If you're lucky enough that you get to focus on, you know, thinking about ideas and be comfortable and have a roof over your head, and you have the basic needs and you have rich have you have hit somewhat of that higher Maslow higher career of needs.

1:10:21 Speaker 2: You're very privileged and you're very lucky, so you get to think about these ideas more because you're not in survival. So we have to be thankful that the people that do get to think about these and not saying that people that are still working don't get to have bright ideas. It's just the conversation of how much time do you get to spend thinking about things right.

1:10:41 Speaker 1: Right when you when you're struggling to get rent paid. UFOs aren't really in a luxury, you know, a luxury you can afford to.

1:10:50 Speaker 2: Right, And doesn't get me wrong, there's probably a group of people, for sure that still love the topic even though and they're trying to learn more, and they're also like that is totally possible too. More majority of people are probably not always focused on that topic because they're just trying to focus on other needs. That they need to meet first, which is totally fair and understandable, and I get it, like and and also and some people just don't care, Like that's the point and that's the truth, and they don't And you know what, that's okay too, Like we can't about everything every moment of the day, but at least what we can do is care about each other and and and believe people when they say things.

1:11:30 Speaker 1: Remember, I believe I believe it was the Grush hearing that was also taking place. I don't know if you remember, but it was taking place during the same time that the Johnny Depp and Johnny Depp her trial was taking place. Which one do you think got more coverage?

1:11:45 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, Johnny Depp and Amber of course.

1:11:49 Speaker 1: And that's that is the other flip side.

1:11:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was an unfortunate time.

1:11:54 Speaker 1: It's very very unfortunate.

1:11:56 Speaker 2: And I think it really was just it, you know, at high related abusive relationships, and that's important for people to see because both people were abusive, right. I think what we saw there was that people favor Johnny Depp because he had good pr but really those were both very abusive people abusing each other.

1:12:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and that's god.

1:12:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's another show.

1:12:19 Speaker 1: But d yeah, David Grush is on the stand, right on the stand, given taken an oath and saying things that people need to hear, and they were not tuned in in it now, you know. And then the descretic campaign that came after leaking his PTSD. I mean, god forbid someone who was in a combat zone has has a little trouble, you know, right, It's just it was, it was terrible. It was the David Grush thing really upset me because you saw how quick the channel could be changed, right, how fast? Because people like to say, oh, the tooth Piaze can't go back in the ball.

1:13:00 Speaker 1: You're damn you're out of your mind. If you don't think they can, they can. They will fight tooth and nail to keep this secret as long as possible.

1:13:11 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so for sure.

1:13:14 Speaker 1: Uh and and and it sucks, but it is what it is. And so we're kind of winding down. But if I want to ask you if these UAP incursions represent something non human, Oh, well, how do you think the global society, governments, and media would react to definitive proof? Kind of we kind of just talked about that. That was my final question, I think we already kind of answered that.

1:13:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, did just answered that I think we did. Yeah. I will say that one thing I think is important, and we've brought this up a couple of times throughout the years, and Li Spiegel and Jack Vella have worked on this is trying to get this topic into the United Names. I think that if that does happen, I would hope that the United Nations would start up, stand up and create a playbook about how to communicate to the public about these issues, along with then creating protocol and how to talk to something that's an NHI, and then how do we collect data and share data around the world and analyze it together.

1:14:20 Speaker 2: So I think that would be next step where we'd have to look at government agencies and organizations to be able to step forward and start creating plans that are international right, right, right, country based right.

1:14:33 Speaker 1: So, do you think that there is you know, finally, because I guess this is where that question heads is,

1:14:41 Speaker 1: do you think that there could be potentially some sort of because like you said earlier, we know the case in Malmstrom where they turned off the nuclear weapons. There was a case in Russia with that George knapp uncompored. After the fall Soviet Union and the KGB released certain files. There was an incident at a I think it was a Ukrainian actually facility where they turned the weapons on. Ultimately, nothing happened in either case, the weapons weren't even damaged, but they were taken apart inspected.

1:15:20 Speaker 1: There's other cases like Bob Jacobs where he watched he was recording and of a dummy warhead. UFO comes at a screen, kind of hits it with a beam, hits it with another beam because there's a three sixty around it. Uh, they tumbles out of the sky. Do you think there's some sort of global monitoring system where there? I don't know.

1:15:43 Speaker 2: You don't know if there is. I would imagine that. I don't know if there's global, but I know that we have monitoring systems obviously within our own airspaces in North America right we're consistently monitoring that. But I don't know if there's I don't think there's global sharing. I think we're globally tapped in to all different satellites that are obviously floating around, and so we're able to see what's happening globally. Even though we're you know, they might be North American satellites.

1:16:12 Speaker 2: So yes, there are global tracking systems to some degree, but are they working together globally? I think that data of information is very privy to their own country that's there. Unless you're an adversary, then you'll share that information or sorry you're unless you're an ally, then you would share that information potentially with your other allies. But I think it's really all of that information really stands between their own everyone's country, and maybe not every country really does it right because they don't have a defense budget.

1:16:41 Speaker 2: You know, We've got small little countries that have a very tiny, tiny military because they have no need for it.

1:16:48 Speaker 3: Right right, Well, I meant from internal complex not massive wars, right, So I meant from the UFO perspective that they, oh, they do monitoring our I don't globally.

1:17:05 Speaker 2: I don't know.

1:17:05 Speaker 1: Probably this is not the United States.

1:17:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine for sure if they are here, like if that if we're saying that hypothesis is accurate and they are here, and for sure they would be watching us globally. I wouldn't see why they wouldn't we watch everybody globally. Why wouldn't they watching us, right, so uh, you know, same the same we would imagine. So yeah, I just we have to. I think the question is to find out, like, you know, if they are here, why they're here, how long have they been here? Have they been here forever? And what are the next steps that we do to be able to integrate this into society so that it's normalized and we move on and we have a better uh a better understanding of who we are and what's going on in the universe, right, I just because I don't know what's going on if they.

1:17:54 Speaker 1: If they had true if they've been around forever, which is something that I really do think is more of the truth because I mean you look throughout history and the stories and religious texts and various other uh uh, I don't know how you want to call it stories from the past. Imagine what we can learn, right, because we're species that doesn't really know our origin story to the fullest degree. So you know, if if disclosure did happen and we were able to, you know, uh, one day find all these answers, I think that would be just just just absolutely amazing.

1:18:39 Speaker 1: And that's what that's why I think the cover up aggravates me. It's like, what are we not? What could we learn? How could we advance? How could we you know, solve some of our own issues on this earth if given the chance by this you know, disclosure process. But it seems to be being pigeon heeled over greed and that that frustrates me, right.

1:19:07 Speaker 2: So mensely mentally. I wish we weren't a very greedy world.

1:19:12 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and yeah, yeah, we're just it seems that it seems that the secret's being kept. And I don't know if you if it's a crime against humanity or not. It sounds because it almost sounds like it is to keep this from us.

1:19:28 Speaker 2: Well I think so, yeah, if there's information that we need to know that's going to help us and it's going to help society, then yeah, it is a crime for sure, because you're hiding evolution, right, our evolution.

1:19:40 Speaker 1: Right? And uh like it did that. So that's what I talked about earlier, is like you can't hide that a snake exists right now, like it's part of nature. If you want to call it that, you can't, Like you don't have to show me, You don't have to show me, Like I know, there's things that need to be secret, right for national security reasons, like you can keep your secrets, your sources, keep them protected, your methods, keep them under wraps, right, do all that stuff. But I do do think that we could be given some more of these high res videos that are spoken about by people like Elizondo, and I do think that we can handle it.

1:20:21 Speaker 1: I know that you said that you might, you know, think that disclosure might be, like you said, a little chaotic, but I think it's it's happening.

1:20:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think I think we're living through a form of discolosion closure where like you know, step one at have probably like multiple steps, yeah, right, like it is a disclosure. I can't say it's not right, but yeah, multiple I think we're where we will see multiple evolutions of what disclosure looks like.

1:20:49 Speaker 1: Right, So, what's what what is next for Chrissy and what you know, what what are you doing right now? What's what's on the horizon? You know?

1:21:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like right now, it's just a lot of writing with the debrief. I released an article recently that was about an interagency meeting with the National Science Foundation, and so that was the first time that they've had a meeting. Yeah, that was about edge technologies or disruptive technologies and ed science or frontier science if you want to call it. And UFOs were at the table. So there was a lot of really really smarter minds in that meeting, and I luckily was the first person to be able to write about it and get that meeting forward and publish that yesterday.

1:21:31 Speaker 2: So it's done fairly well in different spaces within edge technology and communities, and it's something that's been the first time it's ever been hosted by the National Science Foundation, So very excited. I got to report on that, more reporting, more podcasting, and you know, and then taking a break finally on Monday.

1:21:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll definitely be joining you there because the holiday season is it's already stressful enough, you know, so I try not to do too much. But this was really, really fun. I really appreciate you coming on and talking with me. You know. So, where can people follow you on? Uh X? I always go to call it Twitter.

1:22:15 Speaker 2: I still call it Twitter.

1:22:17 Speaker 1: It's college.

1:22:19 Speaker 2: People always tell me on Twitter at Christy Newton it's right there, uh and on Instagram at being Christy Newton, or they can go to the debrief dot org to read my articles, or if they just want to see all my body of work, they can go to Christynewton dot com.

1:22:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have those links in the description below for anyone that is interested. Christy, thank you for all you do for the UFO community. Your your analytical drive, your your quest for truth is something that is uh enviable, envious, I guess, and we definitely need. Like I said, we definitely need more more people like you that, you know, willing to sift through all the noise to kind of get us to the truth. Thank you so much.

1:23:07 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. It was great talking with you too.

1:23:10 Speaker 1: And I hope to have many more. So have a happy, happy holiday season and a great new year and we'll talk soon.

1:23:17 Speaker 2: That sounds good. Happy holidays, all right.

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