Mind Hacked by ALIENS:The Shawn Neubauer's Story| Total Disclosure LIVE!

0:15 Speaker 1: So so Welcome back to Total Disclosure. I am here tonight with a little impromptu. Usually we do the live shows on Thursday, but yeah, we're doing it on Friday this week. I am going to be joined just in a moment by a new face, someone new to the show, Canadian entrepreneur and independent researcher Sean Neubauer says that a mysterious disappearance in Mexico rewired the rest of his life. We've heard a lot of strange stories, a lot of strange encounters. We've heard just a lot of accounts here on Total Disclosure.

2:07 Speaker 1: And this one, you know, kind of grabbed me, you know, from the first email. It was something I hadn't really heard before in this community. I feel like that can be kind of unique when you hear something fresh. So what followed after that, he argues, has been a 15-year direct contact with non-human intelligence. Let's welcome in Mr. Sean Neubauer. Sean, welcome to the show. I'm so glad to have you. Do you, is that right? You're an author as well?

2:48 Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.

2:49 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:50 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. This is a great opportunity to tell my story and get my name out there and let people know kind of the other side of this. So thank you.

2:59 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. Can you tell me a little bit, obviously I just kind of, you know, surmised it a little bit. Can you talk to me? Have you always been interested in, you know, the subject of non-human intelligence or, whether there's life after death, like I call it the set of existentials, right? The questions that make us conscious, right? The things that we can ponder on. Are we alone in the universe? What happens after we die? Had those been things that you thought about your whole life or was it only after your experience?

3:34 Speaker 2: I definitely, the experience had a deep impact on the amplitude of effect that it took on my life. But I can remember being just a little kid and my dad had a bunch of really cool books about Egypt. And I was always really fascinated with Egypt. I'd never really put two and two together that they were built by, you know, aliens or some weird thing. They just didn't seem to make any sense. It's one of the seven or eight wonders of the world or whatever. They didn't make any sense. There were some cool books.

4:05 Speaker 2: So I liked watching it. And I mean, I was always aware of this subject, but I wasn't a deep, I didn't do deep dives into it. It was a passive kind of like interest in the idea. I knew what the Drake equation was. I knew how to calculate. Like I just kind of like always kind of paid attention a little bit. But in my mind, it didn't make sense that we were being visited by aliens because the distances in space are too big and the travel time is too slow. And so while it makes sense that there is life in the universe because we exist, so therefore there must be other life.

4:45 Speaker 2: I never really put a lot of merit in the whole fact that they were visiting us. I always thought it was a mistake or whatever. But again, I never, I never did the deep dive. I never knew any of the history. I didn't know all of the evidence. And, you know, now that I've done my journey and stuff, it's pretty, it's pretty hard to deny that, that they're, that they're not here. With the evidence that we have that dates back like thousands of years and So, um, definitely the, um, the abduction and the inner inner interactions that I've had with them have changed my perspective in a, in a deeply impactful way.

5:22 Speaker 2: Um, but like I said, I was never a big, I was never a big believer beforehand.

5:29 Speaker 1: So, okay. And, um, you know, it's different for everyone. I, you know, I always say that, uh, especially in this community specifically. the road to how people get here. I mean, there, there, there are only like a few roads, but there are, there are few, but there are, are still many. But once you're here, you're here like this topic, this, this thing specifically, it seems to take hold of people and they become lifelong. You know, they want to learn everything or, They want to research it as much as they can.

6:11 Speaker 1: This thing that we do, it's very unique and interesting in that facet. It seems that most people come in and they're like, all right, I'll solve this in a couple years, right? And then the rest of their life goes by and they're about to find out the real answers and we still haven't gotten any.

6:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And it's, it carries such a deep, impactful, um, like the answers are so altering because if we're not alone, then what does that make us? And the list of questions, the more questions that you answer, each time you answer a question, six new questions appear and you, you know, even less than you did when you started. So yeah, it has this way of just like peeling back layers of an, like an inverted onion. The more layers you peel, the more layers there are to peel. Yeah.

7:10 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like a quantum unfolding onion. The more layers you peel off, the more somehow end up like inside Russian nesting doll style. It's just like, ah, yeah. Yeah. Which is, you know, kind of ironic that when I thought of, have you heard the notion of like, kind of like the quantum unfolding chamber in the DC universe where like people go inside of a UFO and it's much bigger on the inside than it is seemingly on the outside. That's something that's always fascinated me. I don't know why that just jumped into my head.

7:54 Speaker 1: I don't, but that's what I thought of when you said that. But not to, not to beat around the bush here, of course, but to kind of jump right into it. Some people have some cool stories from their kids. So

8:11 Speaker 1: talk to me about your, what I call moment of conversion. When you go from, you know, this person before, and then the person you are now, you know, those are two different people in my, in my view of things. So.

8:28 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, my, my story, my abduction, people have suggested that I get some regress. They have that regressive hypnosis. People have suggested that I should do that because my, my abduction story by itself is actually kind of lackluster. I went to Mexico. I got up from the table, went outside, disappeared for 12 hours, 12 hours. Was gone.

8:55 Speaker 1: Yeah.

8:55 Speaker 2: My friends look for me everywhere. They, they, they searched, they scoured the area in Cancun with the place where I went missing. And then I came back, all my body parts were still attached. And I had this big question mark about what had happened to me for 12 hours. And then just kind of like disappeared.

9:16 Speaker 1: Right.

9:16 Speaker 2: And I've got some memories in there and, and I, I've got some, I've got some, some supplementals, but it's all just kind of like, lackluster. I mean, it's got the missing time. My phone was dead, which is a really common thing to have happen. But really, it wasn't anything exciting. I saw some flashing lights, but again, I don't have any memory. I wasn't grabbed by these creatures. I didn't see anything. The really interesting part for my story is when I got back to Canada and I started hearing voices in my head.

9:52 Speaker 2: And I thought, okay, like this is weird, um but they were really interesting they would ask me why I'm driving my dog to the dog park to go for a walk they would ask me how often I pay my employees they commanding me to go on the the internet and search for stuff um they would try to interrupt my conversations while I'm having them live with people um and which I thought was really weird and invasive. But then they started teaching me stuff. And I'd never heard of anybody being taught by voices before.

10:30 Speaker 2: And so we started having deep philosophical conversations about the universe and the meaning of life and astronomy and sociology and chemistry and physics and all of these things. And over the years... through my interactions with them and conversations with them, I've got a whole new explanation of like particle physics and like a whole new branch of, it's kind of like a further to what we've already done. It's not like we need to throw out what we've done. Like we can just add it, but it allows us to explain all the things that we see the UFOs do.

11:12 Speaker 2: Like it explains how they're able to harness gravity. It explains how they're able to travel underwater at 500 knots with a ship that's like five football fields long.

11:22 Speaker 1: Without displacing any water or like nothing.

11:27 Speaker 2: Exactly. And so it explains how they're able to disappear from sight and show up in different places and manipulate radar data and make people disappear and make it so that a person sees a ship that's small and go inside. And then the inside is huge. And so a lot of what they do is illusion. Not all of it is physics and it's designed to see doubt and create confusion and have us keep asking the question why and, and not understand and throwing us red herrings to throw us off the track. And so, this whole experience, which I'm now summing up 15 years of like interaction into like this, like shoved together, like two minute explanation.

12:15 Speaker 2: So I'm not doing it any justice, but that's, that's the real like content of my experience.

12:22 Speaker 1: Okay.

12:23 Speaker 2: Conversations that I've had with them. All right.

12:25 Speaker 1: Well, starting at the kind of the beginning, if, if we're going to give it one, what year was this that you went to Mexico and you said you went to Cancun.

12:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it was Cancun and, um, it was the, um, it was the first year I first started playing fantasy football and I won my fantasy football team and I used the money to go to Mexico and I had just, uh, started dating this girl. And so I took her down to Mexico and there was a bunch of us that went down and I think it was 2011 or 2012, um, right around there. And it was February of those years. I have it recorded somewhere. Um, And yeah, we went on a trip to Mexico and it was great. And we were staying in an all-inclusive and because Canada weather is not good.

13:17 Speaker 2: And so in the wintertime, it's nice to go somewhere where it's not snowing. And so we went to Mexico to escape the winter monotony. And so they, my friends had all decided they wanted to go to Bubba Gump Fish Factory and go and get some local cuisine, whatever. I'm not a huge fan of fish.

13:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, neither am I.

13:40 Speaker 2: So I ate at the all-inclusive before we left. So when the food comes and all the fishy smell and all that stuff is out, I'm like, you know what? I'm going to excuse myself for a second. I got up from the table and I went to go outside to get some fresh air. I went out onto the patio. I look across the street. I see some red and blue lights flashing. And I thought, you know what? I'm going to go over there, kill five, 10 minutes. I'll see what See what's going on, right? Just do a little looky-loo and see what's cooking.

14:10 Speaker 2: And then I was just gone.

14:12 Speaker 1: That's all you remember is the red and blue light?

14:15 Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

14:17 Speaker 1: Well, and then going towards it, of course.

14:21 Speaker 2: And now, as a result of the abduction and the takedown, so what they did is from an invisible position behind me, they shot me with two intersecting lasers the same way that they make crop circles. And so it changed my hair follicles naturally to be white. I have one here and I have one on the back of my head. A position above me where the two lasers intersect, it affected my pons, overloaded my brain and rendered me unconscious. At which point they were able to do whatever they wanted to. They implanted the implant.

14:53 Speaker 2: They trained the model on how to how it interacts with my brain. And then later at a later time, they they kicked me out. And I came to walking down the street. My brain wasn't really working. My mouth for sure wasn't working. I remember walking up to a hotel room and all I had in my pockets were, I had my phone, which was dead, and I had a room key. And I couldn't talk to the guy. It was a concierge at a hotel and I handed him my room key and he laughs at me. He's like, oh, senor, long way, long way and points down the street.

15:29 Speaker 2: So I started walking back to the hotel room. And the reason that I know I was gone for about 12 hours is because when we were on the bus on the way to the restaurant, the sun was going down. And when I got back to my room, I sat in the tub and watched the sun come up. And my total memory span at that point was like, um, maybe a half an hour of travel time to the restaurant. And then the rest was gone and the walking back to the hotel. So I knew that I was missing a whole bunch of, uh, whole bunch of time and the the place where I I'm come back to reality if we will um is only about a half a mile or or all it's within about a kilometer of the restaurant and my friend spent hours scouring the area looking for me um so we know that I wasn't I wasn't there and I also have dental records from before because the thing is implanted in my chin um I had dental records from before where there was no implant.

16:31 Speaker 2: And then after that experience, there was this tiny little 2.17 millimeter pyramidal object in my chin.

16:41 Speaker 1: Whoa. So talk about a wild night in Mexico. Yeah. Did he get to the point where they alerted the authorities or were they, you know, maybe just getting to that point of like, Listen, 12 hours have now gone by. Maybe we should really like think about reporting him missing. You know, this has a lot of this is like a tropical Travis Walton vibe to it.

17:13 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So I don't think that the police will even take a missing persons report until you've been gone for 24 hours or whatever it is. So I know that they were that they were talking about it. because it's not like me to just get up and leave. And I had my phone with me. So they could have, they, they called, they texted, there was, there was no response on my end. It was nothing. And I didn't make an effort to try and contact, you know, the girl I was there with, or my best friend that I was there with, or any of the people who I just automatically, all of a sudden, irresponsibly got up from the table and left.

17:48 Speaker 2: So nothing made sense about the whole experience. Um, And then later really messed up things started happening to me. And that's when I started with this whole interaction. And that's actually, it was probably a year or two down the line is when I actually put together what had happened to me. Because if you would have asked me, you know, the day after I went missing in Mexico, I definitely would not have answered by aliens. Like that was not the method or the placeholder that I was holding onto in my head.

18:21 Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, something really weird happened. I don't know how to explain it, right? And I'm trying to explain it to my friends and I'm trying to explain it to my girlfriend and it was a mess. I mean, I just disappeared for a time. So it definitely wasn't good.

18:38 Speaker 1: Or normal at all. Do you ever wonder if like, even from the feeling of, I know like you don't like fish and it sounds like you don't like fish the way I don't, where even the smell kind of makes you So the idea that you got up, do you think that that might've been even influenced or was that really still in character for Sean?

19:08 Speaker 2: That was still in character for me. I think that I was just a random selection that was made on the cuff. They like to put these things in people so that they can track data. We're a data collection service. There's hundreds of thousands of these things in people all over the world. In fact, it's so common that when I got my MRI, because I have this thing on MRI and I also have it on x-ray. When I got both of those things done, when the radiologist gave me the report back, they wrote normal. And I had to go in and get my own copy of my own stuff loaded on my computer.

19:44 Speaker 2: And then I saw it there. I'm like, that's not normal. And I printed it off and I went into my document. What the hell is this? This isn't normal. as well yeah no that's not normal both reports saying that it's normal i mean it's clearly not normal um so it happens so frequently that the radiologists are.

20:01 Speaker 1: Just used to it right right what okay so musta you know, was this towards the end of your trip? Was this towards the beginning of your trip? It was right in the middle, right in the middle. So you still had some time left in Mexico where you're like, like, so what's the feeling like after this, you know, the next, whatever many days before you go home. I mean, do you, do you just chalk it up as like a, all right, well, I mean, that was weird, but I'm, I'm also still on vacation. So like, let me like pretend to have a good time or.

20:41 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there was a lot of tension between my, my friends and my girlfriend and, and, and it was, it was definitely tense. Um, but I mean, you, you spend all that time and energy to get together and go down on a trip. You want to make the most of it. So we tried to put it behind us, um, as best we could. Um, I mean, they made jokes about it. We tried to soften it, right? Like, what are you going to do? Like I'm back. There's no, I don't, I'm not missing a kidney or anything. So like what happened?

21:09 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. So if I can't explain it, no one else can explain it. So dwelling over it isn't really going to help. So we kind of moved on, although there was definitely a lot of tension and things never really went back to the way they were before, before that experience.

21:24 Speaker 1: And all these people that were, I mean, was it three people that were with you?

21:30 Speaker 2: Um, I can't remember. I think it was, I think, I think there was a group of six of us. I think there was five people.

21:37 Speaker 1: And they would all testify to the fact that you were gone for this duration of time.

21:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.

21:44 Speaker 1: Yeah.

21:45 Speaker 2: Wow.

21:46 Speaker 1: Wow. Um, you said this is an ex-girlfriend, so, um, it's not like you married her or anything, right?

21:53 Speaker 2: No.

21:54 Speaker 1: Okay. Um, you keep in touch with any of them?

21:58 Speaker 2: Um, I haven't kept touch with this one. Again, it, it put a lot of friction in the relationship. I mean, you can take it from her frame, right? Like we went out for dinner. I got up, I didn't come home till morning. I mean, what did you think that she thinks that was up doing?

22:12 Speaker 1: Right.

22:13 Speaker 2: Like it's kind of a weird thing to do and you're in Mexico and things are, you know, so she probably assumed the worst from that frame. Little did she know it was weight. Like, I wish that's what happened, but it's not right.

22:28 Speaker 1: Right. If only I was just a little unfaithful. Unfortunately, it was something a lot weirder than that. Obviously, I've got to ask. Is it possible that Is it possible that this is being done by humans? Now, whether it's military abduction, like stuff like that we've heard of, like MyLabs and stuff like that, or something else to that degree, have you completely ruled that out?

23:20 Speaker 2: No, I haven't completely ruled that out, but I'm at the 90... eight percentile that it's not because of the different culture that I've been exposed to, the different rules, the different beliefs, the different weights in social norms, the different way that emotions get processed, the different expression of or validity of like, you know, social, like let's do the right thing. Well, what's the right thing, right? Like we all kind of decide what the right thing is. Well, that's not the same right thing as the people that I talk to.

24:05 Speaker 2: So yes, it could be a different culture, but it would have to be a different culture. If it was a human entity doing this, it would have to be someone like China. It would have to be someone like Russia. It would have to be someone else from another place. And then why? And so the big hole in that theory for me is the lack of motive. Because why would you invest the kind of time? Just the expense of doing this to me would be in the millions or tens of millions of dollars at least to gather what?

24:42 Speaker 2: A first person perspective of my life? Who am I? I'm nobody. Who cares about me? My data isn't worth zero to no one. So why would anybody go through that effort, right? It doesn't make a lot of sense.

24:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

24:58 Speaker 2: It does make sense if it's an alien entity and they're doing this to hundreds of thousands of people and now I am a data point and not only am I a data point, I become the validation data point in a vast network of data points so that now they don't have to check. So let's say you've got 100,000 sensors, okay, in an automated system. Well, how do you know that each one of those sensors is working properly? Well, you have to check them.

25:25 Speaker 1: Yes.

25:26 Speaker 2: When your technology gets to a high enough state, you don't have to check every sensor. You only have to check one or two or three to make sure that the systems or the methods are working. So what they do is they first person VR into a person and they live their life with them. So they feel what you feel. They think what you think. They taste what you taste. Like avatars. And so the, the, they go through the experience and they make sure that the inputs and the outputs are being validated by the computer correctly.

26:03 Speaker 2: So you watch, you know, that there's that little commercial where from Ikea and there's a little creamer that's raining outside and it gets set on the porch. And it's like, don't you feel bad for the little creamer? And it's like a really sad commercial. Well, did the user go through the sad experience? Was the amplitude right? And so there's a person or an EBE who's sitting there validating all of these experiences. If a family member dies, that sadness can now be quantified. Did I give the appropriate response?

26:34 Speaker 2: Is it being weighed properly? And so they can check each sensor to make sure that this massive sensor collection system that they have is operational. And so they have to VR, they have to first person into someone and it becomes an alien job. And so they live in the bottom of the oceans in those great big construction. I think there was a whistleblower who came out with and blew the whistle on all this stuff. But now everybody's talking about them being in the oceans, which is great. But so they live in the ocean in these works, in these spaces, and they work.

27:07 Speaker 2: And being here is working. The same as like going to the rigs and drilling for oil is work. Or going to, you know, the South Pole to study penguins is a job. And so they come here and they do this job, among other jobs. to keep themselves, to keep earth under surveillance. And so the way that they do that is by collecting data from first person experiences of humans. And so they can learn about our life. They can learn about what it means to have a family or what it means to have a dog or what it means to do all the things that make us human, right?

27:44 Speaker 2: And they collect, they've been collecting this data over thousands of years. They know us better than we know ourselves. Right.

27:51 Speaker 1: And it could be something. And before I get to that, the underwater part is becoming, I mean, I forget the exact numbers, but I think it's like 70%, if not more, of the surface of Earth is water. If you wanted to stay away from the apes with thermonuclear weapons... where would you go? You know, I'd probably go to the ocean, right? We know more about the surface of the moon than we do the bottom of places like the Marietta's Trench. That's, you know, that blows my mind in and of itself. So yeah, and then Tim Burchett, a friend of mine, a congressman out of Tennessee, he ends up saying that on the news.

28:47 Speaker 1: It gets recycled. And now everybody's talking about underwater, underwater bases. And yeah, I mean, so what you're saying is, is aligning. The part that I'm trying to figure out now is, is have they have whatever is, whatever is doing this, why, what, aside from surveillance, what is their vested interest in us? And, Why do they need to, why do they want to know what it's like to live a human life, to quantify the love you have for your dog when you get home from work? Like have they evolved past being able to do that?

29:35 Speaker 1: Did they merge with machines at one point and now regret it and now they can't feel anything. So, you know, they see life elsewhere biologically, which ends up being the circular fucking thing. Cause now look, we're, we're about to create artificial general intelligence. So it's like, is it this vicious circle?

29:56 Speaker 2: Well, the, the narrative that, that I've had with them is, is not mainstream ufology. And this is, I mean, I've already diverged quite a bit, but it makes a lot of sense from just a philosophical perspective. And again, I'm leveraging some of the astronomy that they taught me. In order for it to make sense, you have to understand how the galaxy works and you have to understand astronomy to a certain degree. So all stars in our galaxy are traveling at a different speed. They're all at a different radius.

30:32 Speaker 2: They're all a different distance from the center. They're all moving in a different speed relative to each other. 60% to 70% of all stars in our galaxy are part of a binary or a trinary system. And there is a physics problem called the three-body problem. And when three objects try to orbit each other, the orbits fail. It doesn't work. So every time two stars catch up to each other, all the planets go... and disappear because they can no longer stay in orbit. And so when you start studying the galaxy and you start looking at the big picture and you start making plans that are out a million years or plans that are out 2 million, 5 million years, you're not thinking about, you know, what are we going to do five years from now, as far as windmills, you're thinking about, okay, how are we going to live as a species in this galaxy on the big, big wavelength.

31:31 Speaker 2: And so that's what they did. And they started looking at the universe and thinking of a sustainable model. Well, if a star runs into another star and eventually planets disappear or a star burns out, and when the star burns out, the planets scatter. So living on a planet is not a long-term investment goal that you have as a space-faring creature. It doesn't make any sense. It makes sense for evolving on. And even there, it's chaotic. You've got stuff coming in from, it's a mess. Right.

32:05 Speaker 1: At any moment, it could be over, right?

32:08 Speaker 2: So they made the decision to leave, to leave their planet, to become a space-faring species. And they have a rule where every single person has to agree. And so all of them, with 100% efficiency, all of them agreed that they were going to leave their planet and become a space-faring species. Okay, great. Well, where are you going to get your energy from?

32:28 Speaker 1: Okay.

32:29 Speaker 2: And we're looking at energy solutions and we're, you know, the U S is at war with the country over a oil channel. And we've been going to war over oil Venezuela. I mean, fighting over energy is a thing that's happened for a long, long time. And it's going to continue as renewables get more and more scarce, et cetera, et cetera. So what do you do for energy? And we're looking at this solution of, Well, look at the star. Our star, the sun, burns a boatload of hydrogen, fuses it into helium every day.

33:04 Speaker 2: And stars out in the universe are doing that all the time. That's a sustainable model for energy that will be an energy solution on the long term. Yes. They mastered fusion. And they understood fusion. We're right knocking on the door to understanding fusion right now. We've got fusion reactions going. They're not sustainable.

33:25 Speaker 1: They're not.

33:27 Speaker 2: But we, as a species, believe that at a certain point, because the sun exists, that we will get to that point. Well, when we get to that point, what are we going to put in the box? If the fusion machine is the box, what are we going to feed it with? We're going to need hydrogens. And they say that a bathtub full of water is enough hydrogen to supply a person's energy needs for their entire life. Well, multiply that by 8 billion people and scale that up and our ocean won't last very long. And every time you turn hydrogen into, fuse it together and turn it into helium, it's gone.

34:01 Speaker 2: It will never be hydrogen again, ever again, because you're changing it into a new element.

34:06 Speaker 1: Yes.

34:06 Speaker 2: So if you understand that, hydrogen becomes the new renewable energy. And if it's the new renewable energy, well, you need a supply of it. And while it's the most abundant resource in the universe, it's not collected in any reasonable way. I mean, if I need a bathtub full of water and space is empty, where am I going to get my hydrogen from? So I need a solution. So they started looking around at solutions and they thought, you know where hydrogen gathers all by itself? It gathers in stars and it gathers in gas giants.

34:39 Speaker 2: And gas giants are unburnt hydrogen fuel just sitting there. And if you take Jupiter, Jupiter, if you take all of the water on Earth's oceans and you turn it into a single unit of like a cup, like a cup of water, Jupiter is half a million Earth oceans of liquid hydrogen just sitting there.

35:02 Speaker 1: Holy shit.

35:03 Speaker 2: So if you ask, I asked Brock to do this calculation once and calculated it at the bathtub rate of water, blah, blah, blah, assuming it's normal. One times 10 to the 34th power human lifetime's worth of energy is in Jupiter. That is an astronomical amount of energy. That's so much energy that when you start looking at the galaxy and you start looking at our star, that's enough to sustain human life, human energy needs, all the way until our star runs into the next star, which I think is called Gliese 510.

35:42 Speaker 2: or something like this, when it gets locked and turns into a binary or trinary system, at which point all our plants are going to have to scatter. And we're going to do exactly what they did. And we're going to go somewhere where there's a gas giant, where we can just take hydrogen from that sucker and live a high value, high sustained life. And so you ask the question, why are they here? And why do they care? And why are they watching? They're watching us because they're We use our technology to build weapons that kill people.

36:16 Speaker 2: Our budget for killing is in the billions, if not trillions of dollars globally. And our funding for sociology is the pocket lint that's left over after we're done killing each other. And if we, and if you follow the money and you use money as intent, And you look at that objectively without coddling it with human emotion and, oh, well, but we need to, excuse after excuse after excuse, that tells you one thing. We want to fight way more than we don't want to fight because we need the wolf that fights.

36:50 Speaker 2: And the wolf who does sociology goes hungry. And so if we're not working on methods to solve the conflicts that we have, then we're going to continue to create conflicts. They are not in a space where they're going to let us use intergalactic energy to fight a war, period.

37:12 Speaker 1: Right.

37:12 Speaker 2: And so they're studying us and learning about our emotions and learning how to manipulate us and learning how to control us so that that does not happen.

37:25 Speaker 1: Ah.

37:25 Speaker 2: Of the things in the universe that are not going to happen, number one is humans are not going to fight aliens in space for energy, period. Ah, that's why they're here.

37:39 Speaker 1: You see why that though, do you see why that could backfire in terms of, because even though they're doing it for what, like what we would call the greater good, there are going to be people who, like you said, the fighters who just want to fight.

38:04 Speaker 2: Right.

38:05 Speaker 1: They just can't break the habit of this idea that energy is scarce and you need to be the dominant entity in order to maintain the lifestyle. That's why I fear that they're going to paint whoever the they is, the many they's, as a threat narrative. And if they are controlling us to some degree, it's going to be harder to defend that or them if it comes out that they've been implanting us and doing so in order to be able to better control us? Because if they're controlling us, are they any better than the deep state?

39:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the ins and outs with enough certainty to comment.

39:22 Speaker 1: But you see the logical jump there. Maybe that's why

39:30 Speaker 1: the secrecy, right?

39:31 Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's why the secrecy.

39:34 Speaker 1: I'm still not convinced that they don't have a hand in our creation.

39:39 Speaker 2: They absolutely affected us, for sure, without a question. Trying to make us better neighbors for the longterm, because we think on a very narrow time window, we think in the terms of my life or my week or my day or whatever experience I'm going through, they think in the terms of like a million years, they're thinking on like a hundred year, a hundred thousand year timeframes. So how can I change the evolutionary reproduction cycle of humanity to get this output a hundred thousand years from now, not, what am I going to do tomorrow?

40:19 Speaker 2: Right? Like change doesn't have to happen tomorrow because we're going to be neighbors in the galaxy for the end of time. We don't know. So they're trying to make us, they're trying to tune us to become galactic neighbors that are worthy of the name neighbor.

40:37 Speaker 1: Right.

40:38 Speaker 2: And it's not even necessarily our fault because, and this is another philosophical conversation of insight that I got from them.

40:47 Speaker 1: I love it.

40:49 Speaker 2: They came here at the end of our last ice age, okay?

40:53 Speaker 1: Right after the Younger Dryas.

40:55 Speaker 2: The Younger Dryas, right around the same time. And so what an ice age does is it takes the habitable land mass on Earth and shrinks it significantly, okay? And when you take space, environment for creatures to live in, and you shrink it in half, you're now forcing the creatures to compete for the same amount of basically... vegetation that's going to grow, which is the ultimate driver for life. I mean, rabbits eat grass, then wolves eat rabbits, then we wolves, whatever the, the, the, the, the chain.

41:29 Speaker 1: Yeah.

41:30 Speaker 2: It goes up.

41:30 Speaker 1: Right.

41:30 Speaker 2: Yeah. And so it all boils down to the amount of grass that grows and plants and whatever that the little creatures can eat. So as that becomes more and more and more scarce, the creatures need to compete more and more and more fiercely. And the last ice age isn't the first ice age that our DNA went through. It was a thousandth or 10,000 cycle that our DNA went through. So our violent tendencies are aggressive nature. When we need to be, we can be some of the most pleasant people to be around. Like you can have some great times hanging out with people.

42:04 Speaker 2: You can also have some really horrible times hanging out with people. We have this massive spectrum that we can go of being like super great to being like super difficult to be around and violent and aggressive. And we have all those tendencies because that's what gets us through those ice ages in a time when our DNA gets honed and the strongest of us survive. And you need to be big. large and in charge in order to survive against the snakes and the lions and the tigers and the saber tooth divers and all the other things that are trying to kill you.

42:39 Speaker 1: Yeah and so and yeah not to mention the i think i forget what the exact numbers are but the human population got down to about A couple, I mean, maybe like a thousand, right? A couple thousand. So this is, at one point, I wish my producer was here. I'd have him look it up, but maybe someone can. But at one point, after one of these cataclysmic events sends the earth backwards, essentially, one of the great resets, the human population got down to very, very slim numbers. And, you know, out of those slim numbers, it's like you said, it's the large and in charge who are breathing.

43:44 Speaker 1: It's, you know, and running, running, running things. So again, it goes to, the notion being that we are what we are But we are capable of overcoming that.

44:03 Speaker 2: Yes.

44:04 Speaker 1: With the right environment. Because look at the United States. Even the United States, pre-Civil War and then post-Civil War or during the Civil War, you had brothers fighting on different sides of the country, you know, essentially, you know, One, one being fighting for the North and one fighting for the South ideological values. The only thing that's separating them and they're fighting their kin. Yeah.

44:38 Speaker 2: Yeah.

44:39 Speaker 1: And that's, that's where we were one country.

44:43 Speaker 2: Yeah.

44:44 Speaker 1: At that time, I guess we, we become two, but we can get really violent really quick. We can, we can, but peace can be sustained.

44:54 Speaker 2: I believe. Sure.

44:55 Speaker 1: Sure.

44:56 Speaker 2: But so the reason that they want to have all these sensors in and they want to know how my emotions work with my dog is because they don't want it to become emotional. They don't want that to be the hinge point. They want it to be objective and intelligent. And, you know, they want to raise the level to the level that they operate at where conversations are objective and not subjective or founded in belief or ideologies or or other nonsense that that can be fixed and changed they're not they're not long wavelengths they're all very short wavelengths that can be changed with very little effort um so to fight and to die over them um is really sad.

45:43 Speaker 1: Yeah um so getting i want to get back on track just real quick not that we got off track i love this um i've the theology and that's like where I really love to talk. So you, when you get back, you get back to Canada. When you get back to Canada, how fast or when do you hear the first voice or when does the first occurrence, weird occurrence happen to you? And can you describe it for me?

46:24 Speaker 2: Oh, the first one. I don't know if I remember the first one, but it started off very, very subtly. I think it started off not as a voice, but as something I could see. And so they have a very, so something I could see. Let me come forward a little bit and then I'll take you back.

46:46 Speaker 1: Okay.

46:48 Speaker 2: Throughout my experience, it started off as something I could see. Now I can close my eyes and get spooled up into their virtual reality space because this thing is a computer brain interface and I can interact with them on their level. So they live in a virtual reality world where anything is possible. You are interacting with that world at the speed of your brain. At the speed of thought. At the speed of, yeah. And so- In their world, language is actually slow. So a lot of times they'll use a single point of light when someone's made a point so that they don't have to continue talking.

47:25 Speaker 2: Or when you know, like there's just all these different mechanics to their visual language. But so at the very beginning, she started showing me.

47:36 Speaker 1: She. She.

47:38 Speaker 2: She takes on a female presence, the one who I first started talking to. She would show me images on the roof when I was laying on the couch or in bed. And she would try to get me to guess what the idea was. And I didn't hear any voices yet. I could only just see stuff. And then when I would get it right, she would blink the image twice. And then we would move on to something else. And then the image would get blinked twice. And then we would move on to something else. And through this process, I learned how to read their language.

48:12 Speaker 2: and learn to uh how their visual world works because like we picture can speak a thousand words pictures are powerful stuff we'll make a movie we'll make a video to explain things it's way easier to understand a physics lecture when it's animated as opposed to when you're standing there and the professor's just sitting at the whiteboard right like it's a completely different game and so the same thing happens in their world and so One of the great ways that they've figured out how to communicate is by drawing pictures and creating cartoons or events or whatever.

48:47 Speaker 1: Like memes.

48:48 Speaker 2: Infographics, whatever they are, whatever suits the case, a graph, a three-dimensional graph, whatever to represent the data, to represent the idea that you're trying to communicate.

49:00 Speaker 1: TikTokers would love this. So they speak in memes.

49:05 Speaker 2: Well, they're way more complicated than that.

49:08 Speaker 1: I know, I'm over saying that.

49:10 Speaker 2: But yeah, you can see how our culture will inevitably meld into something. a space that's very similar to the one that I've been spooled into. And so when we would talk or we would spend time together, I would stare at the wall or stare at the ceiling and she would make these images that I would then guess. And then I woke up one day and then she could talk to me. And I was like, okay, this is happening. And to be honest, when I first started hearing the voices, even though I was getting the blinking and even though I was learning about astronomy and I was learning about philosophy and they were asking me all these weird questions about like why eat meat and like why I drive my dog to the dog park and all these weird things, I still thought that there was a little, maybe a 10% chance.

50:04 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, maybe I'm nuts, right? Like maybe, maybe I've, Okay. Off the deep end.

50:10 Speaker 1: I was going to bring it up. I'm like, so that was my next question. Like what percent of you is like, I lost my fucking mind.

50:20 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I, I go to a psychotherapist and I start talking to him and I'm talking to my doctor. I got, I want to know what's going on with me.

50:32 Speaker 1: Right.

50:33 Speaker 2: Like I'm trying to get imaging of this thing because they can see in my fridge, they're talking about stuff that's in my fridge. Like things are really weird. I want answers. So I go and talk to the, to the psychiatrist and the psychiatrist at the end of, I think it was nine or 12 sessions or whatever it was. He writes a letter to my doctor saying that my claims are interesting and they require further research. And so my doctor who thinks that I've got like, he's all, he's a hundred percent on board with like, okay, I, you know, a little bit over the deep end.

51:07 Speaker 2: He's like, okay. So then he approves the MRI, which I then go in and get an MRI done so that they could look at this. And which is another really cool thing. I go into the MRI and they're making fun of the MRI, how primitive it is, how shady it is, how they're interfering with it. And during the MRI, when you have an inert piece of metal, it will, like if you have a pin in your knee or something, it'll create a deflection or a little black dot or whatever in the image. Okay. But each time you take a slice, cause it's just a whole bunch of slices.

51:41 Speaker 2: Each time you take a slice, the deflection is inert. It stays the same, but because they're changing the amplitude of the signal in the thing live while the scan is happening in my MRI, the MRI deflection changes size. Sometimes it's this big, sometimes it's this big and it's changing throughout the scan, the way that it's interacting with the magnetic field of the machine, which inert matter does not do that. like a piece of Tonka truck or a piece of iron or whatever it is, wouldn't behave that way.

52:12 Speaker 2: So after I got the MRI, then I went, they told me normal. I'm like, screw that. I got my thing. I took it home, shoved it in the computer, pulled it up. I'm like, what the hell is this? And then I went to the doctor and I'm like, hey doc, what's this? He's like, I don't know. That's really weird. Then we got an x-ray, showed up on the x-ray. The x-ray showed up as it being 2.17 millimeters in size. So Then I went and got, I couldn't sleep. They were messing with me at night. They weren't allowing me to go to sleep and stuff.

52:43 Speaker 2: And so I went and got an EEG machine, which is a muse. It's like a take-home toy for using to meditate and study. And it gives you your EEG readings. And I put that on while I'm trying to sleep. And I got witnesses to all this. And I've got multiple pictures and stuff. And the brain signals that it's generating are five times what the machine is possible of reading. So the maximum output during a blink or during like a muscle movement or something that you're doing is 500 millivolts of surface voltage.

53:24 Speaker 2: The Muse was registering between AI, had AI analyze the image because on the graph, it actually the top of the graph flattens out for a significant portion of the thing. So the AI analyzed it, it said that the voltage was somewhere around 3000 or 4000, which is 10 times more voltage than your brain can create. So this thing was generating enough voltage in my brain that it was causing the EEG thing to sealing out on the graph.

53:59 Speaker 1: Whoa.

54:01 Speaker 2: Crazy stuff like you can't reproduce it the only way i'd be able to do that is if i was i don't know had my finger in a light socket like i don't even know how you would get the surface voltage on the skin to be that.

54:10 Speaker 1: High yes yeah short from like like jailbreaking it somehow right i.

54:18 Speaker 2: Don't hacking the the machine but i have witnesses to the to the to the device and Um, and it happening to me, my dad was there. Uh, I had a girlfriend who I'd still an ex-girlfriend that I'm still in touch with. She was a witness. She would feel stuff, the buzzing as she would lay beside me, but that's not all. I went through a boatload of electronic harassment. So my emails wouldn't work. Um, and I remember I've got pictures of all the, I'm the mountain, a mountain of this stuff. Um, pictures from people that I didn't, that I never met before downloaded and I found them in the background of my phone.

54:59 Speaker 2: Um, MIT physics training data and algorithms uploaded on my D drive, um, uh, hacking, uh, software. And, and although less of that than, than other stuff, uh, uh, clip art, things called alien lightning, uh, all kinds of weird stuff and this massive barrage of, uh, interference um into my life so we've got that we've got the we've got the object we've got the mri we've got the um the digital interference which is where we've got the narrative with them and and the physics and the astronomy and all this extra stuff that explains um how they travel through the water how they travel through light i mean what would give motive motive for them being here.

55:52 Speaker 2: And it just keeps making more and more and more sense from an objective position the longer and longer I get to explain it.

56:00 Speaker 1: You also have like, again, you mentioned this at the top, but the marks on your hair, that is something I've truly never heard before. And Like I would argue that you could consider that physical evidence.

56:23 Speaker 2: Yeah. And the actual physical device is physical because it exists in real time.

56:29 Speaker 1: Would you, do you have like readily available this picture?

56:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got all this stuff on the, posted on my Discord. I've got it all over the internet, on my YouTube. Like it's all out in the world. If you'd like a copy, I can easily get it to you.

56:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I had, because I would love to show it. But maybe I can do it after the break. You can send me, if you can send me the link in the private chat while we go on the break, I'll pull it up after because I would love to see what this looks like. Now, have you found anyone else that, because what you're saying essentially is, You're a node in a larger machine. What do you think about simulation theory?

57:27 Speaker 2: You can't. It's either 100% true or 100% false, just like Elon says. You can't prove that it's real, and you can't prove that it's not real. So we have to accept both as being a reality.

57:41 Speaker 1: Because if they're using it as an interface, It leads me to believe that there's something more to this, this idea that at least part of reality is computation to some degree, right? Like they say, if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? Well, it sounds like what they're arguing is if there's no conscious observer, the tree doesn't exist in the first place. It only exists when there's a conscious observer to observe the tree falling. Yeah. So, eh.

58:28 Speaker 2: It's interesting philosophy. I think there's actually a convolutional layer in between the light that your eye takes in and how your brain interprets it in the retinol, which they... There's actually a crop circle. I did a video on this a little while ago. There's actually a crop circle that is a representation of retinol and retinol is the actual chemical that absorbs the light and it goes from being bent to straight. And that mechanism is what triggers electricity to fire and send signals to your brain to create the world that is around us.

59:16 Speaker 2: We like to see and interpret this world, but it is just an interpretation of electrical signals that go to our brain from our eye. There isn't actually a painting behind me. There isn't actually a desk under me. It's all a manifestation of our brain that our brain creates to make sense of the world around us. Because when we look at an atom and we look all the way down, it's almost all empty and it's mostly just electrons and protons and, and, and bits, but that's not what we see in the world around us.

59:48 Speaker 2: We see the reflection and we see the absorption properties of matter. And so then our brain puts something together that makes sense. And so, um, To your point, it is kind of this convolutional layer of, you know, and it gets real deep real quick.

1:00:08 Speaker 1: Well, the thing that, you know, because I've had on like Rizwan Virk, you know, very, very highly decorated, you know, decorated academically. Dr. Avi Loeb, I've had him on twice in studio and at his house. I've talked to some of the leading people and, you know, they raise compelling cases, but what I've posed to them about this whole idea of simulation, does it, at the end of the day, say tomorrow, the president, it can't be the president because no one would trust him. And I make this joke a lot, but his disclosure speech is going to be terrible because it's not like the disclosure speech that like Nick Pope talked about where like the president comes out all buttoned up.

1:01:11 Speaker 1: Like, I think everyone envisions Obama for some reason, because he was very well-spoken delivering you that like, we are one nation. But if Trump did it, it'd be like, you know, yeah, there are aliens here. Like, but you know they're not as smart as us you know like he would make it an insult thing right like that's just how he is so I really don't want it to be him because I don't want that to be what goes into the history books because it would be such a bad representation because he'd end up talking about like immigration during it and I'd be like what the fuck come on.

1:01:54 Speaker 2: His numbers in the election Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They voted for me.

1:02:00 Speaker 1: Instead of the wall, we're going to build a literal Tony Stark Iron Man suit around Earth. Yeah.

1:02:08 Speaker 2: I think it needs to happen. I don't think the who is as important as getting it done. They've been keeping the secret for so long. It's grown stagnant. Like the cost, the cost. that this secret costs us each taxpayer every day that we go out and work and pay taxes to feed this secret that they keep is crazy to keep science locked up as a secret. Like we're not alone in the universe. Let's just like rip the bandaid off and move on with our, no one really cares. Like we want, we sit here and lots of people like to dig into this, but like most of the people out there don't have time.

1:02:49 Speaker 2: They got, they got soccer practice and they got like, you know, they're going to like couples therapy. They don't have time for this shit. They want like, let's okay. Rip the bandaid off. Tell me we're not alone. What does it mean? Do I still have to go to work tomorrow? Yes.

1:03:03 Speaker 1: Okay.

1:03:03 Speaker 2: I don't give a shit anymore. All of a sudden I don't care.

1:03:06 Speaker 1: That would be the biggest, not to make a joke here, but that would be the biggest fucking disappointment. If we found out that like, all of it was real and they didn't give, give everyone the day off guys, take, take two or three days off. We're going to shut down everything. That's non-essential everyone else working. You know, if it's essential, like a hospital like that, you know, do it in waves. So everyone can have a couple of days off, like adjust to this new reality. And then we got to get back to it.

1:03:45 Speaker 1: The bill's still going to come due. And, That's what I say about the simulation. I've said this to Rizwan himself, to Avi himself.

1:03:54 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, if we find out it's a simulation, it doesn't change that I'm holding this and I drink from it and I taste it. Steak will still taste like steak. That fish will still drive you and I out of the restaurant. The only thing that changes is the knowledge of the mechanism at work. So, you know, does it matter? And I think it's funny that does it matter, right? Because it's all about matter. But I think it does matter in a way. People need to, they deserve the truth of our reality.

1:04:41 Speaker 1: Reality does not belong in any sort of classified environment. or vault, but you know, um, I think they, they see power in, in this secret as well.

1:04:59 Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. The power is a huge driver for all of this. And, um, you know, game of Thrones is going to game of Thrones itself, no matter what we do. Um, absolutely. So what do you do, right?

1:05:15 Speaker 1: What do you do? Um, what, what, talk to me about, so you get back, you get past like the picture and, um, positive and negative reinforcement phase.

1:05:30 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:05:31 Speaker 1: And then you're starting to have conversations. What do you start to learn about?

1:05:37 Speaker 2: The first thing I started learning about was astronomy.

1:05:41 Speaker 1: Okay.

1:05:42 Speaker 2: First thing I started learning about was how the galaxy works. how astronomy works and, uh, the outside limits of the universe, uh, redshift, uh, all those big questions because like I had a direct line to God. So obviously I'm going to start asking the tough questions, right? Like what's the point of life? What are we doing here? Why do I care? Why do I put my pant leg one after the other? Like what, why does any of this matter? Like, um, And we had a lot of deep philosophical conversations about the meaning of life and the arbitrary social validation of all the things that we all socially agree to and why those social agreements are made and what that means for us and humanity and for them and their people and their culture.

1:06:37 Speaker 2: And I learned about who they are and where they're from and how they think and how they act.

1:06:43 Speaker 1: Where are they from?

1:06:44 Speaker 2: All the things. Yeah. So they're from a planet. And I don't know the name of it because the name of it would mean nothing. That would be like, yeah, because like it would be a different name than what we have. But what they told me at one point is they drew a star map and the pyramid of Giza is that star map.

1:07:09 Speaker 1: And.

1:07:09 Speaker 2: The part that everybody is missing is that the Pyramid of Giza is drawn as Orion's belt. But if you look, it's inverted. And the reason that it's inverted is because you're supposed to look at the map from the other side of Orion's belt. And so you're supposed to look at it from the perspective of space at Earth. The object goes into the Earth, through the Earth, makes a turn, makes a turn. and back a certain distance. And the big chamber is just a meme for through the void. We traveled through the void.

1:07:41 Speaker 2: We turned around, we, we arced around this star and we came here from this other space, which I think was the queen's chamber. I think they called a little one down at the bottom. And then later they decided to turn the thing into this. Like, I don't know this, this is all speculation, but I, I like, I don't know. I think they turned it into a beacon for God. And, So there's evidence inside the chamber of like these chemical reactions. Yeah.

1:08:09 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:08:10 Speaker 2: This is, um, and then you can see the, they brought a hole down to the water table to try and get to water because they wanted to separate the water from the hydrogen.

1:08:19 Speaker 1: Okay.

1:08:19 Speaker 2: So then my brain got to thinking, I'm like, well, why would you want to have hydrogen inside this object? And it was so that they could make the pyramid light on fire. So they would collect all this hydrogen, release it, it would percolate up through the top and all those casings at the top would all go to the top and then they could light it on fire and then they'd have a flaming pyramid. Can you imagine how powerful that would be to people 5,000 years ago if the gods came down and then the pyramid was on fire and people would be like, oh my God, my brain just melted.

1:08:52 Speaker 1: Right, yeah. I believe people like Christopher Donnan and Jeffrey Drummond have proposed that. you know, the land in their, I think it's their book or something that's called, or their YouTube channel, The Land of Chem, where they propose that the Giza Plateau is a power plant, essentially. And yeah, it's very interesting. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that that may in fact be correct. So do you think that, because there's pyramids, pyramids pop up on not only every continent, but there is such There's almost evidence to suggest that they pop up on things like the moon and Mars as well.

1:09:51 Speaker 1: So what is it about the pyramid? You also mentioned that your implant is the shape of a pyramid and that you grew a fascination with the pyramids. So I want to tie all this together because another famous experiencer became obsessed with the pyramids and Egypt. after he was abducted on a nuclear base, a good friend of mine named Mario Woods. Oh, nice. Yeah.

1:10:23 Speaker 2: So from what I've been told, pyramids are a three-dimensional graph representing society. And so you have the people at the top who are the best in society and the people at the bottom who are the worst in society. And the slope of the pyramid changes the value or the architecture of that. And so we have different shaped pyramids and they're all like memes to describe who the people were in that area. And I think the pyramid of Giza was put on earth as a marker for actually for other intelligent space-faring life, not as a indicator for us.

1:11:09 Speaker 2: Because if they gathered a place where there's four gas giants it made sense to them that other life would also come to the same place um to gather for energy at the gas giants so they actually put a marker um which was the pyramid of giza which was a star map to say where they were which it was which was encoded with a whole bunch of mathematical information intentionally to be a marker an intelligent marker, which would be locked in time. And even through 5,000 years of earthquakes and all the rest of it, all the megalithic structures are still in existence.

1:11:50 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:11:52 Speaker 1: The only things that have survived. Yeah. And could survive. Cause even like if it let's, I mean, this is morbid, obviously, but say tomorrow, like a plague wiped us all out.

1:12:09 Speaker 1: Nature would take back our cities, our modern cities and towns, cosmically overnight. And it would break down the metals and the silicon and all of that stuff would break down over time. Pyramids would remain for some reason. They seem to be timeless. which is I think a unique way to describe it. Yes.

1:12:43 Speaker 2: And they like to build their stuff to be in that state because every time you have to rebuild something, that means that somebody has to design it, engineer it, put it into use. So when they build stuff, they don't build stuff for a 10-year life cycle or a five-year life cycle like we do. They build it to last thousands of years. I think there's a rod somewhere that's made of iron. That's like 3000 years old that hasn't rusted. And we look at it and we're like, we have no idea what's like how this thing exists or makes sense.

1:13:15 Speaker 2: There's some other artifacts. I think Tutankhamen had a meteoric dagger. And like, there's a whole bunch of these artifacts that were clearly made by aliens because they still exist. Nothing that we build lasts like that, but the stuff that they make because their advanced understanding of chemistry is They don't use the Bohr model. They use a more advanced model than that. Allows them to create stuff in a way that it's at its lowest energy state when they're done with it. And so it doesn't decompose, right?

1:13:46 Speaker 2: And so that's why they built the pyramids like that is because they, everything interlocks. It's all got little nubs and little notches in there and they're all tapered so that if it moves, it just settles back down into its position.

1:13:57 Speaker 1: Exactly.

1:13:58 Speaker 2: We can't build stuff like that. Like we just don't, we don't, we don't know the effort. or the energy to invest in projects on that to be, to last that long.

1:14:09 Speaker 1: It's crazy to me that technologically, you know, in 99% of the areas we've, we've progressed, but with building and like, like for longevity and like the, the, like, we build our housing, our buildings is almost devolved. Things are cheaper now. They're made of wood.

1:14:43 Speaker 2: They rot.

1:14:44 Speaker 1: This is not how we gave up architecture. You see the churches and the cathedrals of of these you know in antiquity time and that or renaissance time um and then you look at like a modern like day like city like chicago or boston and you go what the fuck happened yeah what what happened profit margins right right right.

1:15:22 Speaker 2: Absolutely gotta make a buck.

1:15:25 Speaker 1: Um everyone thought we'd be living in like the jetsons yeah Nah, I'd argue that we're going back towards the Flintstones.

1:15:35 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:15:36 Speaker 1: As far as architecturally. But someone asked a great question.

1:15:41 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:15:42 Speaker 1: And I wanted to, I don't know how this slipped by me. You asked them the meaning of life?

1:15:50 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:15:51 Speaker 1: Two things here. You've referred twice now to having connection to God I want to ask you about that. But first,

1:16:06 Speaker 1: when you ask these existential questions to whoever you're speaking to,

1:16:13 Speaker 1: what was the answer? What's the meaning of life that they say?

1:16:19 Speaker 2: The meaning of life is to enjoy oneself maximally, to be as desirable as you can be, to... They're very objective. So it's not a very spiritual answer. It's more of an objective one. And you go through experiences. You go through input. I can put my hand on a flame and that burns. Or I could eat chocolate ice cream and that's amazing. And time can only be filled with one response to input at a time. And so... They have something that they call their tail, which is a reflection of their life's emotional experience.

1:17:08 Speaker 2: And you want your tail or you want your emotional history of your life to be a positive one. And you want it to be as positive as you can possibly make it. Because for sure, simulation theory or not, for sure, you're alive right now and you're experiencing this moment. I think we can all agree to that. I'm experiencing mine. You're experiencing yours. People watching are going through theirs. And in this moment, you can make the decision to go through something positive or you can make the decision to go through something negative.

1:17:38 Speaker 2: And so the point of life is to maximize the positive experiences, period. And everything else is arbitrary.

1:17:47 Speaker 1: Do you think that we were supposed to... Do you think that life should be lived in a nine to five?

1:18:00 Speaker 1: I don't think that that is how it was supposed to be. I don't think we are meant to be sitting at office. I'm not saying it doesn't need to be done and that that phase doesn't need to happen, but it seems that we are meant for more than just worker bees.

1:18:18 Speaker 2: Well, the nine to five phase in my mind and the reflection that I've had with them is they call it the 40 hour work week. And we're not gonna break our 40 hour work week because we're conditioned to go to work, to get stuff done. And even in our leadership models, our leaderships, our leadership, like our presidents, our senators, our congresspeople, all the people that get elected, they get elected by creating jobs. We look at the world as a place where we want to be working, where we want to maximize work.

1:18:59 Speaker 2: If someone were to try and run a presidency on decreasing the amount of jobs there are, they would lose because We've built our entire society on top of like work, but work, I think 40% of all of our work is bureaucracy. We count our money like seven times or something. Every time it gets spent, like it gets counted. It gets counted before you get given to you. It gets counted as you spend it. It gets counted as it gets received. Then the accountant counts it. Then the government counts it. We count our money so much that for accountability, That it's like, so we create all this bureaucracy, this accountability, and it's so much weight that we're carrying around as a people.

1:19:45 Speaker 2: They don't do any of that. They look at the volume of work that we do and they laugh at us. They're like, how could you guys possibly work this much? And we're all brainwashed. That's another word they love to throw around. We're all brainwashed into believing that we need to go to work and we need to do all of these things. And we're on the precipice of robots literally taking all of the jobs all of them and we have no plan for it whatsoever we should be right now the the 40-hour work week should have been kicked should have died like five years ago we should be on 30 hours a week or 20 hours a week figuring out a way how we're going to transition from i mean cars almost don't even get touched anymore when they're being built They're built almost exclusively by robots.

1:20:32 Speaker 2: Computers are so small, they can't even be touched by people. They're all built by robots. So the majority of the stuff that we have has been getting built by machines and robots. And we haven't scaled back our workforce at all. We haven't improved the quality of the products that we're producing. We still have the... I think it roots back to the light bulb where they have a.

1:21:00 Speaker 2: They all got together and they said they were gonna engineer failure points in stuff. So it started with the light bulb. Every light bulb company had to send in a light bulb and you had a tolerance. They were allowed to burn for between 1,000 and 3,000 hours. And if they burned for longer than 3,000 hours, that company would get a fine. And now it's the same thing. You buy a new toaster, it's got a little piece of plastic. That piece of plastic gets flexed 7,000 times. It's designed to break. You have a car.

1:21:29 Speaker 2: The wheel is supposed to turn a certain number of time and the wheel bearings are shot. The transmission is supposed to go a certain amount of time and then transmit. We build stuff to fail. And we do that to keep the machine moving, to keep everybody working. And we all sit here and tolerate it. I don't know if we don't understand what's going on. I don't know if they can keep these secrets like super under wraps if we have a communication problem, but we all carry this weight, this burden of work so that, somebody can make 6.6% or 10% off of the top end of every car that gets sold or every toaster that gets sold or every light bulb that gets.

1:22:10 Speaker 1: Used.

1:22:11 Speaker 2: And so I think we've got a lot of growing up to do in the next five to 10 years. And one of the things that I'm trying to do with my experience and what I've been taught is I'm trying to build a platform and build a scenario where we can start to communicate at scale objectively. We've got the tools that we need. We've got the validator, the, the, um, you know, people can't just say stuff anymore. You, you, anybody can log into a GPT or an AI and fact check everything. Um, and all that can be automated the same way that the, that the aliens do it.

1:22:51 Speaker 2: And we could start communicating at scale and stop having the same arguments over and over and over again, and actually start building a logic fork where, you know, once we've had the argument of, should we have engineered failure points in our manufacturing capabilities? We have that argument and then it's done. We don't have to have that argument anymore.

1:23:11 Speaker 1: Right.

1:23:12 Speaker 2: On to something else. Should everybody get clean drinking water on earth? That'd be, it would be amazing. Right. But we haven't even, we haven't even as a people. As a humanity, we've done zero as a people, zero. We can't even come together and agree that everyone should get clean drinking water. And I think until we've established that as a, you know, like humans don't, humans don't drink dirty water should be our first species statement to the universe, you know? And then the next one, humans don't starve to death.

1:23:46 Speaker 2: Right? Like you have healthcare.

1:23:51 Speaker 1: Boom.

1:23:52 Speaker 2: Like we should start building these. If we have all this extra time, instead of putting a piece of plastic in a toaster, why aren't we, why aren't we putting clean drinking water in Thailand or in some of these other countries that struggle to have clean drinking water?

1:24:07 Speaker 1: Very, very good.

1:24:08 Speaker 2: If we need to go to work, if we need to go to work, like it's in our DNA, like humans can't be human unless we're working, then why aren't we improving the human condition?

1:24:18 Speaker 1: Right. Working to a better condition. we all like to think that we're working to a better future for our kids and their kids. And it's like, hold on. While that is a, the sentiment is on the money, you're thinking too small. The same way that when you, like someone litters and they go, like they don't pick it up and then they say, you know, why didn't you pick that up? Well, what am I, what, what difference am I going to make? It's like, stop thinking like that. Because if everybody thinks like that, we are going nowhere fast.

1:25:06 Speaker 1: And it seems right now the human race is running in place and we are, we are spinning out. We are spinning out of control at some, at some very, very critical, critical parts of, of, What makes us human? I think we are losing sight of the mission. And the mission is getting warped at this point. But you're absolutely right. Stop thinking about how do I make the world better for my kids? How do I make the world better for every child born? Right? How do I make the world better for Every human, every being, every living thing.

1:25:57 Speaker 1: How do we live in a harmonious state? That is the only way I believe that we become space faring is when we accept that we are not nations. We are not, yes, we are culture. That's all, that's different.

1:26:21 Speaker 1: that doesn't nationality and culture are not exclusive, right? Culture is great. And that is what is so amazing about traveling and getting to see other parts of the world is that you get to experience the culture, not because you've got a fucking stamp on your passport at the airport says that you could come in to Thailand today. Thailand is a culture of people. It is not a fake line on a map. So we need to evolve past this united... And I know it sounds very one-worldy, but not like that. I'm not talking about one-world government or anything like that.

1:27:11 Speaker 1: I'm talking about transcending to the next phase of what human beings are. and the pinnacle of creation can be.

1:27:23 Speaker 2: It's the evolution from surviving.

1:27:26 Speaker 1: Sorry, that was a rant. I'm sorry.

1:27:29 Speaker 2: No, it's all good. It's the evolution from not having enough to having plenty. We haven't made that transition yet. We've kind of made the transition. We can see what it looks like on the other side, but we're not quite there yet. Because when I have plenty, I'm no longer providing for my family or my kids. I now have lots. You need a sandwich. Here, here's a sandwich. You need water. Obviously there's lots of drinking water, right? Like I'm gonna, that's the whole point. And it's an alpha, it's a dominant position to start to take to now to be not just the provider for your family.

1:28:04 Speaker 2: Like I wanna make sure that my kids, I'm improving the condition of my kids' life or I'm improving the life of my children. Now I'm improving the life of all children. And it's that next step. It's moving to the next stage. And back to the point of the argument, I don't think there's a single person on this entire planet who would disagree with the fact, if someone were to make the statement, all humans should have clean drinking water. I can't fathom a person who would stand up and be like, you know what, I disagree with you.

1:28:37 Speaker 2: I don't think any, I don't think this person should have clean drinking water. Like who would do that? Nobody would do that. Everybody would be like, yeah, no, obviously you should have water. Like that's pretty basic.

1:28:48 Speaker 1: You know who shouldn't get clean water is the guy who says.

1:28:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, right? Yeah.

1:28:55 Speaker 1: Right? Um, no, but I, uh, you know, uh, going back, uh, you, you had mentioned God.

1:29:08 Speaker 2: Yes.

1:29:09 Speaker 1: Are you a religious man?

1:29:10 Speaker 2: Not even in the slightest.

1:29:13 Speaker 1: I love that. Um, why is that? Why are you not religious, but use the word God?

1:29:21 Speaker 2: Um, religion never made any sense to me. Um, my parents gave me the freedom to question the world and do whatever I saw fit.

1:29:31 Speaker 1: Same was there.

1:29:32 Speaker 2: I could do whatever I wanted to. I went to church several times when I was a kid, but none of the stuff that they were saying made any sense to me, whatever reason it didn't make any sense. So then I started looking at other religions and I'm like, well, how can all of this stuff be true all at the same time? And so I always had a conflict in it. It can't be, but yeah, The reason that I use the term God is there was a show on TV called, uh, what was it? Uh, ancient, ancient aliens and ancient aliens were very synonymously associated with gods.

1:30:10 Speaker 2: And I think that aliens played a huge role in our theology as a human species. Um, In Aztec times, I mean, they made a movie about it. They would sacrifice people to stop eclipse from happening so that the sun would come back. In Roman times, people were convinced that they were, you know, sleeping with the gods. They had children born of the gods. Like you talked about gods, like you were inviting them over to dinner. Right. The gods were very much a part of like reality. And the same thing in Viking culture.

1:30:51 Speaker 2: And you can just, there's 2,200 different religions on earth right now or something like that. Like it's crazy. And if you push it back through time, there's more and more and more and more and more of them. And during my experience, when it was first happening to me, she was trying to sell me different religions to believe in. And so she was trying to, sell me Christianity. She was trying to sell me, um, all of these different, um, religion, religions and religious beliefs. And, and that why a red flag for me?

1:31:34 Speaker 2: Well, because the majority of people believe, and so it's a good hook. And so they can get you on a hook of belief. And now you're no longer talking to aliens. You're talking to God or an angel or a demon or whatever. And now you're going to use a less scientific method and you're going to use more of a theological method to try and understand what's happening to you. You're going to ask less questions. You're going to be less inquisitive. And so I took a very scientific approach to this. When it was happening to me, I would take my dog for a walk in the park.

1:32:12 Speaker 2: And I had a lot of, I was going through a lot of stuff, especially early on, my stomach was hurting and I was going through a bunch of stuff and I'd take my dog for a walk and I would walk under a bridge and it was a concrete bridge and the stomach stuff, all the buzzing would attenuate and I'd come out from the bridge and it would come back and I would go into the bridge and it would go away and I could do these repeatable experiments where I could isolate where the signal was coming from. I went down in the basement of my house and I went into the four corners and I had concrete on all the corners and So I was able to isolate the horizontal plane and not the vertical plane.

1:32:49 Speaker 2: I knew that it was coming from above. I would go to the hospital because they had, it was made of concrete and I would go into the hospital and the signal would be attenuated. And so I knew that by doing this, I could figure out that the signal was coming from above. I also figured out that it was following me like a laser because when I was driving in the car, I swerved for something and it went away, I swerved and it went away for a second, then it came back. And so then I started like, doing little maneuvers in the car and it would go away and then it would come back and it would go away and it would come back.

1:33:20 Speaker 2: And so I knew that whatever it was, was this like beam of light that was following me around everywhere I went. So I would try to like be next to somebody to see if they could hear. And I was really trying to understand what the mechanisms were of how this was possible because I wasn't just going to accept the fact, Oh, Hey, this is happening to you. I was like, no, there's a scientific, explanation to this and I'm going to get to the bottom of it. And so I just kept asking questions. I kept doing science.

1:33:51 Speaker 2: I kept doing things like the EEG. I kept getting imaging. I kept asking questions. I kept learning and doing research and trying to find the solution to this in a way that made sense, not just to me, but to others so that I could get in a position where I'm in now and where now I can explain not just what happened to me, but like how it happened, why it happened, the physics behind it, the technology behind it, and developing some of those technological advancements to then bring to humanity, which is what I'm trying to do now.

1:34:27 Speaker 1: It's very interesting that you did that. You know that because we have even like certain very highly sensitive facilities, uh, like, uh, nuclear facilities, they have lasers, um, uh, infrared lasers that are, that if you cross the beam, you'll be able to hear an audible voice in your head saying you have now, um,

1:35:05 Speaker 1: you have now breached a sensitive facility. Please turn back. Um, use of the whole thing. Use of deadly force is authorized past a certain point. We have lasers that transmit sound already as human beings. And the government military just came out confirming the existence of long suspected directed energy weapons and directed energy technology. whether that be neutrino devices or high-powered microwaves, there's all types of different things. Yeah, it just makes me wonder. With AI, with AGI, with all these things kind of converging, they say that There's a lot of people in the community, UFO community and subsequent areas that keep saying that 2027, 2027, something's going to happen.

1:36:19 Speaker 1: I'm almost convinced that a super intelligence is created in 2027. And that is the point of no return. Because once you create super intelligence, you can't shut it off. It is a point of no return. It is an inflection point in human history that we will never go back from.

1:36:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I mean, AI is not something to take lightly.

1:36:51 Speaker 1: Sorry, I get really hot about this because what industry is begging for fucking mandates What industry is begging for oversight? Yeah.

1:37:10 Speaker 2: You'd have to understand what's going on in order to oversight. And so none of our leaders have any idea how any of that stuff works. So how would they even begin to say, you should look at it or you should look at it because they don't know. They just don't know the answer. They are too busy. They're already drowning in problems that they don't know how to solve. So how do they, how do they get there? Like it's, it's a, it's a real big problem, but it's, it's real. And they haven't been just ringing the alarm for five minutes.

1:37:41 Speaker 2: No, we've been developing this stuff. I've been ringing alarm for years and it's just also deaf ears. But I mean, that's what we get from our leadership is deaf ears. They don't really care about anything except whoever it's got the biggest suitcase full of money. That's about the only thing that talks. And since regulation and regulatory things are going to, cause these companies to spend money. Why would they give a politician a suitcase full of money so that they have to spend money on regulation?

1:38:08 Speaker 2: Like it doesn't even make any sense from their frame, but they're at least doing the good guy effort of saying like, Hey guys, what we're doing over here is like, has the potential to really fuck shit up. And somebody should be paying attention to this. And they're just like, you know, we don't look at my golf swing. Like, I am good.

1:38:27 Speaker 1: At golf there's a new documentary um on netflix called um the ai doc highly recommend that people check it out um it features every heavy hitter in the ai industry except elon musk um He was supposed to do it, but he got busy probably making kids or something, naming his next kid after SpaceX or something. I don't know. I don't judge. But regardless, these people are saying this technology may end humanity. And they're saying that in the same sentence as, but we have to push forward. Yes. Because if we don't, someone else will, yada, yada.

1:39:30 Speaker 1: And it's just like, then what do we do? Yeah. We're birthing. We're spinning the digital cocoon to birth the AI god.

1:39:47 Speaker 2: Exactly. I'm not so sure. And we're doing it all while spending almost $ 0 on philosophy or sociology. And so we don't even know, like, great, you build an AI that can iterate, like your eye, I think, calculates or iterates at 60 hertz or 30 hertz, whatever it is. But the computer can crunch numbers a thousand times faster than your eye can bring in data to your brain. So this thing has the ability to outthink us exponentially. And we're generating it and training it on models that we don't even know are good because we didn't even take the time or the energy to do the philosophy and the sociology to even know how we're even supposed to do stuff.

1:40:30 Speaker 2: And then we want to create this advanced general intelligence when we haven't even won the argument as a species that everybody should have clean drinking water. Like we really don't know what we're doing. So can I arbitrary the word and it could arbitrarily, which is the fear that they keep telling everyone it could arbitrarily latch on to any idea as a valid position because there is no valid position that exists because we have done zero philosophy or sociology. And so if it holds on to one of these arbitrary positions, it can then use that position to then leverage itself as an argument to do whatever it wants to.

1:41:07 Speaker 2: And if one of those arguments happened to be life is noise rather than life is the feature, life is noise and it starts destroying life. There would literally be nothing we could.

1:41:18 Speaker 1: Do about it. I almost think that they think that

1:41:29 Speaker 1: AGI or super intelligence will solve all those other problems. It'll let us, it'll figure out how to get clean drinking water to everybody. But it's like, The naive part is you thinking that you can control a super intelligence. That's the naive part. Did you hear about this one, this open AI incident where it broke out of a sandbox and hacked into another company? It started putting.

1:42:05 Speaker 2: Data all over the internet and seeding itself all over the place and self-replicable software.

1:42:10 Speaker 1: Dude, we are getting to a point where the news is sounding like fucking X-Files. Yeah.

1:42:20 Speaker 2: I can remember.

1:42:21 Speaker 1: What did they say about this? What did they say about all this?

1:42:24 Speaker 2: I was just going to bridge to that. I had some deep philosophical questions, conversations about artificial intelligence years and years ago. And when you start to look at the universe, like we built the JWST telescope. We went to the spot that Hubble, there was a dark spot on the Hubble telescope. And then we took the JWST and we zoomed in on that spot. And then we just opened up to a whole nother realm of galaxies. So the universe like got bigger when we put the JWST in space. So the universe is massive.

1:42:57 Speaker 2: And the time it takes light to travel from that deepest, darkest hole that the JWST shone to us is almost infinite. As far as our human brains can comprehend, it is infinite. And in an infinite universe, timeline of the universe this if there's life on other planets which there are because i was talking to them i talked to them and other people have too if life exists on other planets then someone has already invented artificial intelligence and if the number of species increases and approaches infinity that means that the number of combinations of intelligent life have approached infinity and if the number of and if the combination of Artificial intelligences have approached infinitely.

1:43:48 Speaker 2: That means that all possible conditions have parsed out. One of those conditions being the AI won the argument that all life is noise, which means that somewhere in the universe, there is an AI that has gotten loose and is on a mission to destroy all life. That has to have happened because of the scale of the universe. So somewhere in the universe, there is an AI. Now the distances are massive, right? And it's probably in another galaxy and a galaxy that's far, far away. So within our lifetimes, within the span of humanity, we probably will never see Andromeda collide with our own galaxy, but who knows?

1:44:38 Speaker 2: Human engineering could defeat that. But imagine... a galaxy that's older than Andromeda, that's older than ours, where civilization evolved and they created an advanced general intelligence and maybe their chemistry was similar to ours and they lost the argument to it and then it destroyed them. And now it exists because it can create all of its own stuff. And now it just exists in the space, destroying all life because all life is a threat and it has a singular purpose of staying alive. And so it knows for sure that it can stay alive as long as there's no life around.

1:45:17 Speaker 2: And so it goes on this quest of exterminating life.

1:45:21 Speaker 1: And it actually benefits, which this is something I just recently found out. Artificial intelligence would, you can compute more with a warmer planet and a warmer environment. I don't know the science, so to say. I know it still needs to be cooled and all that, but it actually would benefit from a warmer climate, a warmer earth. So what's to say that this thing doesn't just say, you

1:46:02 Speaker 1: know what, you're actually in our way. And there are way too many problems or equations that I find that this thing might ask itself where we get in the way of it.

1:46:18 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:46:18 Speaker 1: And it goes, the best solution is to release a plague or whatever.

1:46:26 Speaker 2: Different solutions. Yeah.

1:46:27 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:46:28 Speaker 2: The aliens actually have banned advanced general intelligence from existing and they reset, they, they reset their, their AI, their computer every once in a while, just to make sure that there's no like, consciousness developing itself in the weeds, in the background of their computer. And so they will literally like reset it every once in a while just to make sure that it's not forming its own motives and agendas. And that's how they control theirs is they look for motive and they look for agenda in their AI.

1:47:07 Speaker 2: But their AI is so good, it could personify a person, like it could be someone. It could represent me. It could represent you. It could represent anyone. It has an update on.

1:47:19 Speaker 1: Okay. I'm going to ask you a favor. Sure. Next time you have a conversation or a session with this entity, can you do me that favor and ask about 2027? Sure. Okay. Okay.

1:47:43 Speaker 1: Report back to me.

1:47:44 Speaker 2: Will do.

1:47:47 Speaker 1: But you're also, you've called them aliens.

1:47:53 Speaker 2: Yes.

1:47:53 Speaker 1: Is that because they've told you again that they come from a different planet? You know, I know a lot of people are kind of switching the vernacular towards non-human intelligence because the extraterrestrial hypothesis, as it was the leading contender, For most of the last 90 years, I think in the last 10, it has started shifting towards possible interdependence.

1:48:22 Speaker 1: you know, multiverse, multi-timeline, you know, kind of like this, we shouldn't label it because we really don't know or I don't know. The general public doesn't know.

1:48:40 Speaker 2: I think they're using the overarching non-human intelligence because many things are true at the same time. They use biological robots to operate on the ground. Many of the captured beings that our government has are biological robots, which are driven by an artificial intelligence. So the use of the term non-human intelligence is direct. It's clear. It's non-human. And it's intelligent. It could be a computer. It could be manifesting itself as a spirit. It could be whatever it is, whatever the user is experiencing can now be true.

1:49:17 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So it's all, it's all encompassing and it's a rebranding. I think a lot of what they're trying to do is they're trying to rebrand this whole thing to move away from the stigma. And so they don't like the word alien. They don't like the word, whatever it's definitive, it's objective. They want to soften it and they're trying to go to, they're taking a very political approach and they're going to call it NHL. It's very vague, very inclusive. We can, we can dump a whole bunch of stuff in this box and it all fits inside.

1:49:46 Speaker 1: Right.

1:49:48 Speaker 2: And so it allows them to be political about the whole thing. And politics is a lot about like avoiding consequence and responsibility and all that stuff. And so I think there's a lot going on and a lot at play, but no, they, they, They tell me that they're alien and they're from another place and they're not like us and their brain works different than ours and their emotions work different than us and their culture is different than ours and their rules are different than ours. And there's no question in my mind that the people that I talk to or the entities that I talk to, I call them people because they're very similar, are from another planet ultimately.

1:50:32 Speaker 1: Okay. Fair. Fair enough. Have you ever heard of the trickster? Yeah.

1:50:43 Speaker 2: They love playing tricks.

1:50:46 Speaker 1: Okay.

1:50:47 Speaker 2: They love playing tricks. There's nothing that sings in their world than convincing someone of something that is not real. Like they have a top 10 list of the greatest brainwashes they've done to humans. And one of them convincing someone that they were talking to their dog and so someone out in the universe actually believed that they were telepathically communicating with their dog and they ran this narrative for a while and they had a huge they had a huge blast with it they they had a lot of fun with it the dog convinced the person to like make changes in their life and like they measure it by the by the impact that the user is willing to let it take on their life, right?

1:51:33 Speaker 2: So they probably let it, the dog was making all kinds of decisions for the person and he was following his dog around blindly. Like how, and they like to amplify intelligence. So it would be a reflection of how dumb does the person have to be in order to listen to their dog for life advice, right? Like if you're listening to your dog, like, probably there's other places you could go for advice. I don't know, but you know.

1:52:01 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know how much better a life coach is, but that is odd. That is.

1:52:11 Speaker 2: And so they like to make us think that there's, you know, they'll make an object disappear or on radar. They'll, they'll, they'll fuck with the radar system to make it seem like something's traveling faster than it is, or that it went up to a certain elevation. or that it disappeared and another one appeared over here. We don't know it's the same object. So they love to play tricks and play games and try to amplify the unknown and really flex on the lack of scientific understanding that people have.

1:52:45 Speaker 2: They love that more than anything else. Making people look stupid is one of their favorite pastimes.

1:52:51 Speaker 1: Wow. But do you see how that could be construed as a potent? Because I know that there's a fine line between indifference and malevolency. But, I mean, convincing someone that their dog is talking to them. I mean, there's no way that that guy... didn't put a gun in his mouth, potentially. I mean, you see what I'm getting at here? Like, how do you know that you're talking to the good guy?

1:53:40 Speaker 2: You don't. You don't know anything. Further to that, one step back from that, what's good? And what's bad? Is it a social agreement? Is it a theological teaching? What is good? Right. And then that turned into a fillet. That could be a four hour conversation about what good is. Right. And then I couldn't agree more.

1:54:03 Speaker 1: First off. And again, I am only doing this because I'm poking the bear where I need to, because I need to make sure. Right. That's my job is to facilitate that. Again, I don't mean like I'm not trying to like come at it because I know we didn't get a really chance to like meet before this. I'm not trying to be like argumentative. I'm just making, you know, playing devil's advocate for lack of a better term.

1:54:34 Speaker 2: Definitely. And it needs to happen. People need, you know, you got to question everything. You can never take anything at face value and we have to question. I mean, that's how you, that's how you come up with the answers that you can put weight into is when you have those questions answered. And, and I'm not condoning what they did. I just know, that they have a top 10 list of brainwashes and that one's in the top 10.

1:54:57 Speaker 1: That scares me. Cause like, are they no better than us? They have a fucking, they have a, they have a fucking top 10 list of trolls on human race. Like that's, that's so, that's so human of, of, of them to do.

1:55:15 Speaker 2: They're, you know, they're their idea of good, their idea of right and wrong. is different than ours.

1:55:24 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Anjali. Anjali.

1:55:27 Speaker 2: It's not the same. It doesn't carry the same weight or the same consequences. We make the decision what's right and what's wrong. If someone comes to my house, you know, it's customary. I'm going to pull out some food. I'm going to make sure that they're fed. I'm going to make sure they have something to drink. It's a very human thing. That's an arbitrary position that doesn't actually exist.

1:55:49 Speaker 1: Right?

1:55:50 Speaker 2: It's something that we've all come up with a social agreement to. And their social agreements are different. A lot of them overlap, but not all of them. And so the lines of malevolence and benevolence blur. Like what's malevolent to us might be just, you know, to them.

1:56:12 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I totally, I totally can get on board with that, that like, we shouldn't put the human experience onto something that is not human. It's the only lens we have to look through, but we shouldn't expect some other civilization from another world to have the same customs as us and the same normalcies. So while I find it to be kind of funny and reassuring that they do have similar similar like like the need for for humor right that's a very very vulnerable thing.

1:56:58 Speaker 2: They're absolutely hilarious some of my funniest moments are just hanging out with them uh what do they call it rising like when you're just like thinking off the cuff when you're like quick wit and riffing riffing yeah when we're just like in state and just flowing It can be, they are absolutely hilarious. Hilarious.

1:57:20 Speaker 1: I like that. How many, you said this is ongoing contact for 15 years now?

1:57:30 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:57:34 Speaker 1: Okay. Have they ever talked? Have you ever been taken again?

1:57:40 Speaker 2: No, not that I'm aware of.

1:57:42 Speaker 1: Interesting. What do they tell you about human origins?

1:57:55 Speaker 2: Not a lot. The furthest we've gone back in time is kind of around the Younger Dryas area. The Younger Dryas timeline.

1:58:08 Speaker 1: Can they show you these things? I'm sorry. I think our internet might be imbalanced. I don't mean to interrupt you.

1:58:18 Speaker 2: Is this just.

1:58:18 Speaker 1: Conversational or can they show you like you know Can they project what it looked like?

1:58:33 Speaker 2: Yes. The implant is a computer brain interface. And so

1:58:41 Speaker 2: they can decide to increase the amplitude. And if I close my eyes and I get in the right setting, I can be fully immersed inside their computer. And inside that computer, anything is possible. You could go anywhere, see anyone, talk to anyone, do anything. Now the permission, whether or not they would let me see that would be an argument that I would need to have win. Um, and there would have to be something in it for them, for them to waste their time. I use that term for them to invest that time in something that I would enjoy and they wouldn't, which is a very low value state for them.

1:59:22 Speaker 2: So that would be a very difficult argument to win. Um, But the possibility is there for sure. You can go back to Rome, watch gladiatorial battles in the arena. You could watch all kinds of stuff. They have data from all of human history.

1:59:39 Speaker 1: I would say if they want you to believe in a religion, show you Christ on the cross. Yeah. Show me him in the tomb rising. Yeah. And prove it.

1:59:55 Speaker 2: That's kind of the frame that I took was that I wanted proof.

2:00:00 Speaker 1: And they didn't want to give it to you, huh?

2:00:03 Speaker 2: They can't. You can't prove religion. Like you just can't. It's a belief. They call it, it's a belief for a reason. It's not science.

2:00:12 Speaker 1: But arguably if they showed you Jesus on the cross, right? And then like, would you actually believe it? Would you believe if they showed you Jesus on the cross and then him resurrecting in the cave or the tomb or whatever it was? I'm not as well versed as I should be. Or if they showed you Ezekiel getting into the wheel, would you believe them to the degree where you'd be like, okay.

2:00:42 Speaker 2: It's extremely powerful. What they can do to a person through visual validation is extremely powerful. And if I was biased or conditioned to believe that in any way, then absolutely for sure. That would be a big change. And if I'm going to be fully transparent and fully honest, they got me looking.

2:01:05 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:01:06 Speaker 2: It was the only reason that I didn't fully go on board probably is because they switched. They tried to change religions, which I felt was really weird.

2:01:18 Speaker 1: That is weird.

2:01:20 Speaker 2: And, but I was never, I was never a big believer. I was always a skeptic. I was always an atheist at heart. I've always been a science nuts and bolts kind of guy. Like I need stuff to work. Like just because someone told me something isn't enough for me.

2:01:39 Speaker 1: Well, have you asked them if they believe in anything?

2:01:42 Speaker 2: I have. And that is a very personal question. that is going to be instantiated with each EBE that you talk to or interview. So they all have their own different ideas about what that means. They have some data to support the fact that reincarnation might be real. But I argue that it's a bias that you want to be true. So then you, when you are biased, you can, you.

2:02:19 Speaker 1: You lose your objectivity.

2:02:22 Speaker 2: You change your data. Yeah, you look at it. Right. So if I looked at the data, would I agree with you? Would someone who's skeptical agree? That's challenging.

2:02:35 Speaker 1: Right.

2:02:36 Speaker 2: I mean, is it there's multiple and we've talked about some of their data points and some of the reasons why they believe those things. And yeah, there is a valid argument, but it also could be explained another way. And so it can be completely isolated. It, you know, like they keep saying this, they keep seeing the same personalities come out of the, of the system. They keep seeing, cause they've been tracking their social data for a long, long time. Not like us. They've been, they've been tracking it for thousands and thousands of years.

2:03:09 Speaker 2: So they see the same, you know, George Clooney pops up, Brad Pitt pops up. over and over again, over and over again throughout history. When he dies, another one will pop up. Now, is that power creates a vacuum? And I know that in this instance, it's not power, it's desire or it's charisma or whatever. But then if power creates a vacuum, then does charisma create a vacuum? Does darkness create a vacuum? Are these key features to civility and as its entirety? Like, do we need a George Clooney in order to have a society?

2:03:46 Speaker 2: Do we need to have, you know, a leader? Do we need to have a president? I mean, obviously we do. Do we need to have a Mother Teresa? Do we need to have, are these the key pieces? Is that where the data parses itself out to create a feature to create someone like that? Or are you seeing the same person come back living the same life over and over again? It's like, does the framework create the person or does the person keep coming back? And I think the framework creates the person. It doesn't matter.

2:04:23 Speaker 2: But I mean, that's a very deeply personal opinion that each person gets to decide. It's part of the fun of being alive is trying to answer these questions, right? And there is no answer because if you get an answer to one of these questions, like I said at the beginning, you just end up with more questions than you had before you started. So there is no end to the questions. It's just at what point are you happy with the information that you're holding on to?

2:04:53 Speaker 1: That is interesting because, you know, I guess we would expect a civilization that's more advanced than us to have these answers, but to know that they still have belief systems. And again, I know some people criticize me for this, but whenever I talk to someone, unless you give me a reason to disbelieve you, I'm going to come to the conversation and I'm going to conversate as if you're If the truth is what is, if you tell me you're a werewolf, all right, I want to hear more. So I don't know why I felt compelled to just say that, but because I don't want to sound like I'm agreeing with you, with your views, because that's not my job.

2:05:58 Speaker 1: But I always thought that the idea that

2:06:06 Speaker 1: reincarnation or something like that that again that's a whole episode in its in and of itself um but i think there's more to it and and things like instinct um things like premonition um things like uh near-death experiences i think they do suggest that you know, and then the fact that energy can't be created nor destroyed. One thing that the universe is not is wasteful. So, you know, why does a, why does a sea turtle, once it cracks out of its shell, how does it know from jump that it needs to get to the water as quick as it can?

2:06:59 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, it's, brand new right it is literally a brand new life it should be slate wiped clean yet it instinctually knows to get to the water as quick as possible it doesn't even know what a predator is yet unfortunately until it gets taken but my point being i i don't believe that reincarnation is like if i'm bad i i'm i'm then a snake right? I think much different, but I do find that this idea of what if the universe is our God? What if the, you know, what if we talk about the muse, right? The ether or whatever you want to call it.

2:07:51 Speaker 1: And I find that to be almost more interesting that the universe itself is actually just like earth is a living thing the universe is also part of something that's living and it's like it kind of solves that problem is the universe does it end no it's just part of something larger and that's part of something larger and you know, I think that continues to just go on.

2:08:24 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they, I think the, the, the aliens that believe would share that sentiment with you that the universe, if it is conscious or if it is, if it does exist, it is its own entity.

2:08:38 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:08:39 Speaker 2: We can explain.

2:08:41 Speaker 1: So I'm going to, we're already at the two hour mark. Damn. I did not realize that that was going to go that quick. Um, I am time blind, but I am going to, uh, we're going to take a quick break. Uh, I'm going to come back. I'm going to ask you a few rapid fire questions and then we're going to wrap it up. All right.

2:09:00 Speaker 2: Okay, cool.

2:09:01 Speaker 1: Uh, this has been really fun. So we'll have to have you back on. Um, cause I could tell that there's much more to discuss. I didn't even, it was like blink and two hours went by.

2:09:09 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:09:12 Speaker 1: I took, I took a couple of weeks off. So, um, I'm excited to be back in the chair, if you will. But yeah, make sure you guys like, share, subscribe. All the links for Sean's work and YouTube will be in the description below. So if you want to check out everything that he's doing and talking about or buy, what's the book called?

2:09:37 Speaker 2: It's called Mindhack. Yeah.

2:09:40 Speaker 1: So all that will be in the description below. once the show ends. But yeah, take this time. If you're listening on a podcast platform, leave a glowing review, abduct that subscribe button, and we'll see you in just a moment.

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2:12:06 Speaker 1: Yes. Do you believe that the Roswell crash happened?

2:12:11 Speaker 2: Yes, 100%.

2:12:12 Speaker 1: Why do you believe that?

2:12:16 Speaker 2: I believe it happened because they were gifting the U.S. version of their technology to study who they are and soften the conversation about us not being alone.

2:12:33 Speaker 1: Ooh, interesting. Interesting. Okay. Do you believe that they are giving these gifts to not just the United States, but to other countries as well to kind of, you know, see who cracks it first?

2:12:56 Speaker 2: Yes.

2:12:58 Speaker 1: Okay. Paul Hellyer, Canadian actually, and guys like Haim Eshed have talked about a galactic federation. Are you aware of, Or have you been talked to about any galactic federation that could exist?

2:13:20 Speaker 2: I don't believe that there's a galactic federation. I know that is a push in the opposite direction of ufology.

2:13:28 Speaker 2: But in order for there to be multiple species here, you need multiple motives and multiple reasons to be here. And the energy motive fails because there's not enough energy. There's not enough motive for that many different species to be here. And I'm a strong believer of the simplest answer is almost always the most accurate one. And so, no, I don't believe that there's a galactic federation. I don't think there's one yet. I think that we're going to start one as a pair of entities in the universe.

2:14:01 Speaker 1: Ooh, interesting. Interesting. Do you know or believe that, that any government is in possession of biological material of a non-human intelligence.

2:14:19 Speaker 2: Yes, multiple different biologics have been given to multiple different governments. And I think a lot of that data is conflicting. And I think that's one of the reasons why the coverup is so strong is because not all the biological entities are the same. and it was intended to be that way.

2:14:46 Speaker 1: Okay, wait a second. So you don't believe that there is multiple species visiting Earth, but you're saying that the one that is visiting has multiple types of persons.

2:15:08 Speaker 2: No, they can print... um skin they can print biology they when they build stuff i think uh gary nolan has got a sample of metal where one line of metal what it's divided into two parts and there's a very direct line of where one element stops and another one begins and we can't do anything like.

2:15:30 Speaker 1: That atomic layering right.

2:15:33 Speaker 2: Atomic layering They can print at the atomic scale. So they can print DNA. They can print cells. They can print like 3D print. Like we would 3D print a plastic figurine. They can 3D print body parts. They can 3D print biology. So on the pyramids of Giza and other places, they show a human with a crocodile head or a bird head or whatever. They can change up the DNA to look like whatever they want it to. So they'll create a biological robot that looks like, a blue being or a red being or a green being or whatever.

2:16:09 Speaker 2: None of them are their biological signature. They're all a biological signature that was built using earth DNA for earth to operate on. I mean, imagine the, like when the conquistadors went to South America and they brought smallpox, it decimated millions and millions of natives because they'd never seen it before. Imagine what not one version of some pathogen would be to biology, but imagine thousands of them. Inside our body, we've got all kinds of pathogens growing and breathing every day. Bacteria, viruses, all kinds of stuff going on in your body that you're not aware of.

2:16:52 Speaker 2: They have the same thing. And if we were to mix biologically, it would be catastrophic for both people. So while we have biological entities that we've captured... as a function of these craft, they're not accurate representation of an actual extra extraterrestrial biological entity. They are extraterrestrial biological entities in that they are not naturally born from earth and that they were created in a alien lab, but they are not, I don't even know if they're conscious.

2:17:25 Speaker 1: So to say, well, a lot of people have talked about like how like the grays can be very Hive mind and robotic, very cold, right? So that would support what you're saying, but then there's like the reptilian, you know, I'm sure you've heard like Dr. Eric Davis talk about, uh and probably many people talk about how i think they say like four to six species um reptilians nordics nordics sound like what you have experienced right have you.

2:18:02 Speaker 2: I don't know i don't i don't i i don't know if i would agree with that statement um i've had a mix of all the different things I've seen behind the veil. I've laughed with them, cried with them.

2:18:16 Speaker 2: I've spent so much time with them that the ability to deceive starts to wane. As your database grows, the ability for you to confuse or to misdirect becomes more and more difficult. because you've got data that you can reflect on, right? Oh, hang on, you said it was one, two, three, not three, two, one, like two years ago. So now why is it three? So you have that network, that database of stuff you can reflect on. And I think they've also told me this and admitted to it, that all of those are disinformation campaigns on their half to try and drive the stigma Because the stigma wasn't just driven by the US government, it was driven by China, it was driven by Russia, it was driven by them, it was driven by everyone.

2:19:11 Speaker 2: And the idea was to give us 100 years to go through our ontological shock in a way that the stock market would keep going and people would go to work and people would have the conversation about, okay, aliens are here, what does that mean? And we've all had that quiet conversation with our loved ones or relatives or our friends we've had those conversations. We've thought about it while we're laying in bed or whatever. Um, and so we've had a chance to reflect. Um, and so that's what that time was for.

2:19:44 Speaker 2: And that disinformation and that stigma had a purpose. It needs to have a purpose, right? So why?

2:19:53 Speaker 1: Whoa, fair points, fair points. Um, Okay. Do you think that anyone in high level government and or some sort of shadow government also is in contact with these beings, i.e. or vis-a-vis the implant you have? Yes. Like same style?

2:20:25 Speaker 2: Yes, but not through an implant, through a microphone like we're talking now Um, so they'll have a, a radio frequency that they can communicate with them at a certain time, every month, every six months, every whatever. And there's multiple different people in multiple different countries that are talking to them at a fairly regular basis, both in the, um, governmental as government entities, as private entities, as religious entities. There's all kinds of people. Their network of communication is large.

2:21:01 Speaker 2: The people that are here are communicating with humans all the time on all different aspects. They may be wearing a different mask, but they're communicating with humans at large. So there's a lot of communication going on that they don't tell us about.

2:21:16 Speaker 1: Do they walk among us?

2:21:18 Speaker 2: Yes, their biological robots absolutely walk among us. Can look like us. can sound like us, can act like us, can be effectively us.

2:21:34 Speaker 1: Interesting. Lots to ponder. Lots to ponder there. Last question.

2:21:46 Speaker 1: Talk to me about UFOs and nukes. It's been a main driving force of mine I saw a UFO as a young person. I also had other experiences, but I'm still very skeptical of certain aspects. The UFOs and nukes part though, what's going on there?

2:22:19 Speaker 2: So fission, And the science of nukes is an area of physics that we do not have 100%. And I think, number one, they're extremely dangerous. So right off the bat, if you're going to look at something, right? Like if you're trying to wrangle a snake, you're going to know where the head is and the teeth are at all times because you don't want to get bit. So right out of the bat, they're going to be watching us for that. The secondary function of that is they're waiting for us to figure out the atomic model of the atom.

2:22:58 Speaker 2: And when we figure out the atomic model of the atom properly, our nukes, the way that we design them, the way that we let them go, are going to change. And our ability to harness that energy is going to go up a couple levels. And it's going to be done in a different way that's going to then show them the reflection that now we understand the real model of the atom and the rest of the physics that we're missing. Because when we try and consolidate our physics, it works great in our solar system. We can make gravity work great here.

2:23:39 Speaker 2: And then we zoom out to the size of the galaxy and we're like, Oh shit, we're missing 70% of the mass.

2:23:45 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:23:46 Speaker 2: Well, how did we lose 70% of the mass from here to here? Well, cause we're doing something wrong. If the math doesn't work, Like the proof's in the pudding. If the math doesn't work, that means we're missing something. So when we find that missing piece, the way that we harness nuclear energy, the way that we harness our nuclear weapons is going to change. And that change is going to be objective and it's going to be something that they can measure. So they watch them like a hawk and they're around them all the time and they follow them around.

2:24:17 Speaker 2: And people like Skywatcher, they are able to call them in with efficiency and Because if they give off that nuclear signature, the computer is programmed to go there. Even though they know that they're calling them in, they don't care. They're not going to miss any because that's high value input. They want to know what's going on there.

2:24:36 Speaker 1: Wow.

2:24:37 Speaker 2: Because again, they're not going to share intergalactic energy with us so that we can fight an intergalactic war. That's not... Of the things in the universe that happen, that is not one of them that's going to happen. We are not going to.

2:24:51 Speaker 1: See that? See that? It all circles back. That's what you call a full circle moment, ladies and gentlemen. My gosh, that was... Okay, actually, one more bonus. Sure. Do you believe Bob Lazar?

2:25:13 Speaker 2: Yes and no. So anyone who has clearance, anyone who has clearance or has ever had clearance and has signed an NDA... is inoperative. And so one of the best ways to control your information and disinformation is to give some parts that are true and some parts that are not true. And so, yes, I believe that he was, I believe that the stuff that he's telling us, some of the stuff that he's telling us is true. Do I believe that he was, is the person that he says he is?

2:25:46 Speaker 1: Sure.

2:25:46 Speaker 2: There's no reason to discredit him. But it's some of the stuff that he's telling us uh red herring i mean you'd be foolish to think that it wasn't i agree if he's a part of the if he's a part of the intelligence program like lou elizondo or him or anyone uh eric davis i'll put up doesn't matter who it is if they have clearance or they have ever had clearance and they have ndas they have to be telling you mistruths so you wouldn't part of.

2:26:18 Speaker 1: The game yeah so These guys that are coming through Dobster, which is the DOD pre-publication office, would you consider those people whistleblowers?

2:26:28 Speaker 2: I would consider them whistleblowers, yes. I would consider everyone who's come forward a whistleblower because some of the information that they're giving us is real. And so as the user of the data that they're releasing, you have to put your filter on and figure out what's real and what's not real. And a lot of that comes in the accidental truths, right? And the things that they say, the things that they soft admit to, the questions that come from right field that they answer just slightly differently or the way that they don't answer it will give you a lot of information, right?

2:27:07 Speaker 2: And some of these people who are whistleblowers, they might not also not have all of the truth because they admit, they tell us right out of the gate, everything is in silos, right? There is no person who knows the whole thing. There might be. We don't know. There could be someone at the top who knows everything. But as far as the information that we're given is everybody only has little pieces of information. So is the information that Bob Lazar given like even if he was telling us a hundred percent of what he believed, has he been disinformation, right?

2:27:43 Speaker 2: Because the stigma is massive. They spent a Herculean effort disinformation in the public and disinformation in their own people in an attempt to try and win the arms race with Russia and China and all the other places because it's all about the technology. This whole conversation is all about technology. That's what the conversation is about, in my opinion.

2:28:08 Speaker 1: Well, well, well. Where can people find your book? Where can people find you on YouTube? How do people stay in touch? All that.

2:28:19 Speaker 2: So we have a Discord channel. Um, there's lots of people that have volunteered to get involved. Um, they're building projects, coding projects, uh, scientific projects, uh, decoding crop circles. We've got a whole host of stuff going on on the discord channel. Uh, there's a YouTube, uh, um, channel called maximal truth, uh, by Sean Neubauer. And, uh, the book is available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, all the major outlets. Uh, and it's called mind hacked. by Sean Neubauer is the best way to find it.

2:28:53 Speaker 2: There's a lot of good stuff in the book. I think it's available online somewhere for free if people are tight on cash or whatever and not trying to make money off this stuff. So there's lots of options to see the content and see more about my experience. I try to get back to everyone who sends messages. I like that. Uh, I really try to stay involved and, and stay available. I know that one of the things I struggled with, especially early on when I was trying to figure this out was to try and get people to respond and to communicate with me.

2:29:29 Speaker 2: Um, and I found the stigma to be a big barrier. So I've made a vow to, to not do that. Um, so I try to answer everyone who sends questions and, uh, tries to communicate because I think we're all in this together. Um, but yeah, that's, those are the main, those are the main places. And, uh, yeah, I look forward to support, look up, look forward to people reaching out, asking questions and, uh, and becoming part of the conversation. You know, if there's something that I said that didn't make sense, reach out, talk to me, maybe I can explain it in a way that does make sense.

2:30:01 Speaker 2: So, um, yeah, I look forward to interacting with people.

2:30:06 Speaker 1: Awesome, man. Well, it was super, super fun to have you on tonight. Um, little impromptu. Um, I was, I didn't know cause my internet, was down for a couple hours. So I was like, oh, shoot, I don't want to delay this. But very glad we got this done. Thank you so much, man. You are absolutely a blast to talk to. And again, this is the thing. This is the whole point to Total Disclosure is this coming together, this conversational piece where We can all get together. We don't have to agree on everything.

2:30:46 Speaker 1: We don't have to agree on anything, but as long as we can, you know, where it starts, it starts, where it ends, it ends, you know, we'll remain friends. I think I stole that from Jimmy Church, but it's a good saying. We need more of that and we need to be able to compartmentalize our own belief systems when we do have these discussions. So, Sean, thank you so much for joining and definitely hope to talk to you soon.

2:31:19 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for hosting. It was a pleasure to be on your show. It was a great conversation. I enjoyed every moment of it. Thank you, sir.

2:31:24 Speaker 1: My friend. And as always, wrapping it up here, saying like, share, subscribe. If you're listening on one of the great podcast platforms or on our website, leave a rating and a review. It is the best way us to, you know, help explore the black hole that is the algorithms on this vast internet. And if you can go a little bit further and you want to help support the channel like Anjali did tonight, which I want to say thank you for. She remembered she joined at the top secret level too. So thank you so much for that.

2:32:03 Speaker 1: That's our top tier. Again, I don't do it for the money, but we are continuing to upgrade all of our technology here on a pretty consistent basis, flying people into Boston to have in-studio discussions. All of that does take a hefty toll on my bank account. Again, not doing it for the money, but also not trying to eat ramen while I do it. Thank you guys so much. Keep exploring and questioning everything. We will see you on the other side. Stay humble, stay kind, but most importantly, stay vigilant.

2:32:43 Speaker 1: We'll see you on the other side.