"Pivotal Moment in Human History" UFOs-Aliens & More with Bob McGwier

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1:29 Speaker 1: But today's guest, it's all about today's guest and this is a person I respect, I hold in high regard, and I want to welcome to the show, mister Bob McGuire. Well, hello, Bop, Hello.

1:54 Speaker 2: And hey, I'll call my mother later. Letter. Let you tell her how much.

1:59 Speaker 1: You yeah, yeah, please please do please, I would love that. That's awesome. So, Bob, you've been on the show before, you and your lovely uh, your lovely wife, and so just for everybody that maybe maybe they forgot, can you can you give us a brief intro on who you are, how you got into the field.

2:22 Speaker 2: Sure. Sure, So I had a few weird, weird experiences between ages zero and eighteen, with the last one being not at eighteen, an hour and a half of missing time. And during this hour and a half of missing time,

2:43 Speaker 2: I was with my girlfriend at the time. We were headed home from college and something happened. So I had no idea what missing time was or any explanation for what happened. I thought I had gotten road hypnosis and managed not direct. So we went home, told everybody sorry, we got lost whatever, and didn't think about it. But over the next two weeks I kept getting these serious urges, and finally, at the end of two weeks. I said, look, I'm in the wrong place. I need to change universities and change majors, and here's what I want to do.

3:20 Speaker 2: And my dad said, hey, that's great. You pay for this year and we'll see after that. So I changed schools. I got a job pumping gas, and I majored in mathematics and electrical engineering and got a dual degree. But after the first semester where I made all a's, he paid, I mean he was. He was a tough customer and he paid. He paid the tuition for me and my brother. We had to work to pay for the place we lived in. So it was my dad was. It was a great man, but he was. He was pretty strict. Okay. After doing the engineering and math, I went off to work at Sandia National Labs and realized while I was there for a year that the only people that got respect in the nineteen seventies and a technical field had a PhD.

4:15 Speaker 2: So I looked around. I applied all over the place, and I got admitted to the applied.

4:22 Speaker 3: Mathematics program at Brown University, and I moved up there and stayed there four years. While I worked on my degree, I worked taught quantum field theory by a Nobel laureate Leon Cooper, and famous mathematicians and.

4:40 Speaker 2: Famous computer scientists were around me all the time. Mold. My courses in computer science were taught to me by the world famous Don Knuth, who was major in the early days in the architecture of algorithms and analysis do so anyway, so I had a great education. I left there and went to work for the United States government doing intelligence work on behalf of the intelligence community, sometimes sitting at a contractor sometimes sitting at the agency. But it was easy to go back and forth during those days, so my career was interesting.

5:19 Speaker 2: So in twenty twenty ten I was asked to work on a major problem for the intelligence community at Oakridge National ABS. I went down there, spent a year, and came back and realized, I think I would like to leave what I'm doing and go work at Virginia Tech as the chief scientist and director of research for a new institute that was founded by Ted Hume and his wife. Ted Hume was the last of the directors of the Office of Science and Technology at the CIA that was anonymous, So I worked for him up the CIA and had gone to start a company that was bought out by Pinetic, and with a large he endowed this institute at Virginia Tech, where I stayed for ten years.

6:12 Speaker 2: It's now by far the most well funded research entity at Virginia Tech, and it's gone from a center to a national security institute. And the just the electrical lab person I hired, who I knew was a superstar, came in and his lab, which started with five people, now has its own building and hundreds working for it. I mean, it was the most successful massive research facility of growth you can imagine. And I just feel lucky because we had no idea if it was going to work. But the purpose was takes scientists years and other people and introduced them to the kinds of work they would see if they went inside and worked in the intelligence community for DoD or the contractors.

7:12 Speaker 2: And so I had a ton of great work. And so that went on fine. But at the end of that in twenty nineteen, after hearing about UFOs inside and seeing evidence for a couple of years, I joined the Richard Dolan Forum and gobbled down all his books and listened to everything he had to say, and I heard him interview Chris bledsoe in four to one hour episodes, and following that, I requested to Chris, who lived an hour and a half from me in North Carolina, would I be allowed to come over and visit because I wanted to see the stuff, and since I'm find just maybe I could do something that would help him.

7:52 Speaker 2: So I went over and we had experiences. Gigantic orbs flew over our heads, we had flash bowls popping in the trees, and up in the sky. We had weird like your purple aura in your background was covered with this purple haze. It looked like it was the surface of a pond. And then all of a sudden it disappeared, and Chris knew without looking they were gone and said we could go inside. So I concluded our visit. Then I went home and the hitchhiker followed me home, and over the next two weeks I had multiple hitchhiker style things, including seeing craft have apports of water that looks like somebody was squirting me in the face with a squirt gun right in the middle of my home.

8:37 Speaker 2: So I called Chris and told him I would help him. I did. I went to a UFO conference aiding Chris to give his first full PowerPoint presentation with his evidence, which I got to look through all of and we picked out what is and I helped him ride it and all this other stuff. So as a result we became close friends. But the end of the story is, like many who see Chris and are involved and grow into a trusting relationship, I had experiences not unlike what he has, not to the same degree and not identical.

9:12 Speaker 2: But the real thing is, before going to see Chris, I had three heart attacks, which I survived nicely with a full carinary bypass. So COVID hit. The university was going to close for over a year, and I didn't want to sit there and do nothing, so I retired, And after all the hoopla of me retiring, I moved away, and the experiences followed me to my new home. And but before I went, I had my cardiovascue. The surgeon do a scan of my heart and do all the tests you need. So he quickly determined after asking me what in the heck had I done?

9:53 Speaker 2: I told him just been living my life and taking the medicine you gave me an eden right, So he says, well, I cannot detect any damage to your heart. It has been percent output and you have the heart of what looks to me like a thirty year old And so hey, what can I say? Here we are it's been experiences NonStop since my mother passed away. Two years later, Lalla Bride offered to give me a reading. She gave me a reading, and that's when I absolutely knew that this stuff of people being mediums and other things for some people is absolutely real, totally real.

10:33 Speaker 2: I've stole the story plenty of times. I won't believe it, but anyway, it was totally real. And so she and I grew close after we started a business, and I moved to Maryland and we now live together where we are inundated with.

10:46 Speaker 1: Activity, right, And what I want to bring up is now I want to talk to you about Chris blood Sell and in your time with him, because we're gonna we're gonna have some very deep conversations today tonight. But I want to start with I mean, I've I've talked to Chris, you know, just on Facebook. I've been trying to get him on the show. I know he's got some contracts and stuff like that. He did agree that he would come on, it just it's all about timing, uh and and I know eventually I'll be able to sit down and talk with him.

11:22 Speaker 1: But what I want to talk about with you and your relationship with Chris is you went into this with this with what seems to be a technological kind of nuts and bolts mindset and came out of it with maybe a different perception of reality.

11:45 Speaker 2: That's that's extremely astutid you because I went as as a scientist and engineer and left as one of Chris Bludso's best friends and no longer acting like a scientist. I'm not trying to gather daither for him or anything like. He has plenty of weird people around him from government and other entities that are doing all that, including having I believe I don't know for a fact, but I believe given what happened that they bugged his home while I was there. They listened to me describe a detailed experiment that would prove to the government of his ability to interact with the entities, given he had shown me evidence that no one else had seen and he was not supposed to show because this person had a federal job as a security officer and didn't want to get out, and so they did the experiment.

12:40 Speaker 2: And I'll just describe it quickly. The guys go out in the field someplace unknown to Chris. He has no idea who they are. They have no idea who is the subject of the experiment. So the controllers of the experiment who are don't know either end. So it's a double blind experiment. They don't know either end. So the the one in the middle says, Okay, the people are set up, do your thing, and Chris asks the entity to find them and show up in front of their cameras, and they did within a few seconds. And after that all hell broke.

13:22 Speaker 2: Clues on the government wanting to know everything.

13:25 Speaker 1: About him, and it isn't that peculiar. So that's when because we hear about, you know, this guy from NASA showing up at Chris Yes, and Tim is suspected suspected to be the person or or Tyler Uh in Diana Pisulka's books. Now, no one can confirm that, aside from her and maybe a trusted few. But I think the community is starting to put the dots together what's happened, because if you look at what's happening with Chris. I mean five six hundred years ago, they would label him a saint.

14:11 Speaker 2: Okay, So let me explain to you where we are now. In the talk I did with him, were using his data. In twenty twenty, he showed pictures of Tim Taylor at his daughter Emily's graduation and with Chris at NASA and standing in the door where astronauts come out. So and Tim got to go in and sit in the astronauts conference room with Chris. So I don't think it's a secret anymore. Chris is just not gonna say Temp's name out loud. But I can tell you for a fact, Tim Taylor has been in evidence that Chris has displayed publicly.

14:54 Speaker 2: So where else do we want to go?

14:57 Speaker 4: Oh?

14:57 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, final thing. I I don't know whether to take Tim Taylor seriously or not. I mean, I knew that he had a security clearance, and I knew it was high. And he has a bunch of city appearances that through the classified system where you can look up people see if they're okay for you to talk to, he had a bunch of clearances that I couldn't even see. Okay, So what this meant with me was he was highly cleared and had the ability to do stuff. So I found a piece of evidence when I was doing Chris's talk that it took me a couple of months to figure out what it meant.

15:38 Speaker 2: And here's here's the deal. It's a picture of an envelope with half an address on it, and on top of the envelope is laid a napkin. The napkin has the presidential seal on it and mark as from Camp David. It is illegal to copy that and put it on anything, so that was official. The omeloe displayed half of Chris Bledsoe's address.

16:12 Speaker 1: Oh my god.

16:13 Speaker 2: The inescapable conclusion is that Tim Taylor had taken Chris's stories and in an invitation by the only person who could when we had our last black president, invited him to Camp David. And uh, and Chris's story was told to the President of the United States.

16:35 Speaker 1: I mean that is monumental. So and and and we've even seen so did you see the episodes of that series? Oh my god, I just dropped everything. Uh did you see the episodes they did with Chris on that series beyond Skinwalker Dge?

16:50 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, especially with the thing that was most interesting in me, of course, is the results of the E E E G they did on himself. He has an extremely unusual EG. Others may have seen this when doctor what's his name did it on Tyler Henry. Both Chris and Tyler Henry have exactly the same EG patterns when they're doing their paranormal or consciousness activity. So he had both sleeping, had a sleeping brain and a highly active brain at the same time. It's really weird.

17:26 Speaker 1: And yeah, they said, they said, and and if I'm being if I'm misquoting it, strike me down. But I'm pretty sure they were saying that the way his delta waves are coming out, it was like he was a monk, a trained meditator. And but his brain was also highly active in another UH wave wave set. So and it was and it didn't and and I mean you see him on on camera literally point and then and and you know, I've I I know Brandon Fugel, uh you know, and some of the other teams. They a lot of footage from that show gets thrown onto the floor.

18:09 Speaker 1: People think they fake stuff. They don't they The editing company Prometheus, of course, is going to dramatize things It's a TV show at the end of the day, but the data sets that we're getting from it, I think are are are valuable.

18:27 Speaker 2: That is the contractual arrangement which I know about, is that they do the science, the other team gets to do videography and whatever, but they are not allowed to interfere with the science collection at all. And nobody at the ranks will lie for the TV.

18:45 Speaker 1: And that's so. And beyond Skinwalker, you have a trained CIA agent and Andy Bustamante, who I've come to really really admire and I want to get him on the show. But they were saying so they I was listening to a conversation with him and he was like, I mean, as soon as Chris pointed, they looked and there was just these orbs coming through the trees. And apparently Chris has done this with multiple people. We're talking like people like Jim Semivan, who I mean, Jim arguably is one of the first dominoes, you know, that fall that lead to the New York Times article in itself, And just for the.

19:34 Speaker 2: Only reason I got to go to Chris's is Jim Simmivan told Chris to allow me.

19:40 Speaker 1: Right, So Jim is a very important character in all this. So what is your relationship with Jim Semivan?

19:47 Speaker 2: So I did operations pretty much all over the world for about a decade, and Jim Simmivan was a senior leadership in the Clandestine Service.

20:01 Speaker 1: So that is that's where you guys cross paths.

20:06 Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know him until later. I mean, we can email exchange each other now, but I did not know him personally. Playback then, I was junior to be brother and elbows with him.

20:19 Speaker 1: Oh okay, gotcha, gotcha? Gotcha. So so with Chris, like I said, it seems like you come out like most people do with saying I think I have reality wrong, like I think I have it wrong, like fundamentally, because I mean, and I've been talking about this a lot lately, but you know, we're we're raised in a world and especially scientists right that I mean this, I can see, feel touch, I mean, hell, I could go a step further and taste this. If I really wanted to be gross, I could smell it. You know, this is real.

20:55 Speaker 1: It's black and white. It's right in front of me. Can't be mistaken, right, but right exactly, we're taught that the world is black and white. But it's not till later we realize that there's so much great.

21:11 Speaker 2: So let me tell you how as a scientist I know this. Donald Hoffmann is a cognitive scientist at the University of California, and.

21:23 Speaker 4: He has proven a mathematical theorem resulting from application of the game theory of evolution to show that entities that perceive actual reality.

21:41 Speaker 2: Are not selected by evolution. What evolution selects is the game function increase that preserves your longevity and allows you to breathe. So the facts are our per sexual system integrated to wherever our consciousness reside, does not perceive reality. Right, we live in an illusion, So.

22:07 Speaker 1: And the the the implications does it and and and people ask all the time are we living in a simulation? You know this, that, that and the other thing? Well does it matter?

22:22 Speaker 2: So it's living in an illusion just means you don't see everything you might see to know what the actual reality is living in a simulation. Yes, it's really hard to get there if you believe in nothing.

22:38 Speaker 5: So if you because someone something, some entity capable of computation and manipulation, has to be running.

22:48 Speaker 1: The simulation, right, the observer of the the You know, because we talk about the double slid experiment, for instance, I mean argue about the.

23:01 Speaker 2: Universal consciousness, and I do that because Donald Hoffman does.

23:05 Speaker 1: Right, So do you think that that? Okay? So we talk about how there may not be so a tree falls in the woods, does anyone hear it? Well? Some people say the tree doesn't exist unless an observer is there. Are you trying to say that there is an ultimate observer that keeps that that that's why we reality is reality the.

23:32 Speaker 2: Way we're wildly entangled with other consciousnesses as they are instantiated in our space time. So together we communally make what we observe as our space time reality.

23:47 Speaker 1: So yes, yes, yes, so okay, and now could that be manipulated?

23:56 Speaker 2: Absolutely? So look, Donald Hoppin is not yet proven everything yet, but he has a really interesting view that universal consciousness, which is the basis for everything everything we see and around us, comes from the universal consciouness like God on high making it okay, So we are distillations through a very narrow funnel of everything that's going on in the universal consciousness and our perception call it our screen with our icons and all that stuff on. It is how we perceive spacetime. And it's projecting the signal onto our screen for us to view.

24:36 Speaker 2: But it is a very restricted pipe of information from the universal consciousness, which is everything, down to our little piece of it, which is us, our ego. And so what this and from that he can derive? He calls them decorated permutations. He has dynamics. He has a mathematical model alls of us pretty wild and hard, hard to read if you don't have a lot of training. Just say, he's got a model. He's trying to make fit and predict, get physics out of the model. Okay, So, uh and what he shows is given that that's reality, the universal consciousness is required to make it all function.

25:21 Speaker 1: And so would that make because I've had this talk with other folks and uh so, the same way that you can take a radio, right, you can smash up the radio of the bat, You can throw it off a building and it smashes to pieces. Right, but the signal is still coming through right our bodies or our brain could it be a is it a receiver? And yes, the body does die eventually, but the signal, I mean it doesn't, it doesn't go away, It just returns.

25:59 Speaker 2: That is my personal belief and so a lot of what I do now is try to catch some science of that showing that's that's actually what's going.

26:10 Speaker 1: On, which would make it would it would make so much sense.

26:18 Speaker 2: I mean, everybody, everybody should read Dean Raiden's work. It's approachably as over one hundred papers in peer review journals about how consciousness is real and how we can affect physics with our consciousness and so forth and so including down to particle physics. So that's Dean Raiden, and then Ingo Swan wrote about twenty something books, and everybody who cares about consciousness should go read them.

26:44 Speaker 1: Why won't Why won't science? Being someone of science, why won't science tackle consciousness? They won't even they won't breathe the word answer.

27:00 Speaker 2: I have an answer. It's really straightforward, the same reason I don't attack UFOs and other things. I'm a scientist. I'm at a university or research institution. I want a lad I want people to work in my lab. I want students. They cost money. If I can't get somebody to fund my lab and my work, it ain't gonna happen. Because I needed to survive. There are no funding sources to investigate UFOs in a serious way, or a funding source to investigate consciousness in a serious way. Though that is slowly.

27:36 Speaker 1: Changing slowly, And I titled this show that we're at a pivotal moment in human history. And we talked a little bit before the cameras started rolling. But would you is it safe to agree or is it safe to say that you agree that right now? I mean I know a lot of generations, and yeah, I mean you're older than I am. You've been through more, You've seen more, right, just I mean by law of averages, right, you've seen more. You've been around longer, at least as far as we know. Right, my consciousness may be ancient.

28:16 Speaker 1: Who knows. I don't know. But we seem to be at a point like no other in history. And in the next I don't know, six months, year, I don't know. I can't really put a label on it. But we are going to choose our future and whether we have a sequel or not. If you want to kind of simplify it, how would you say the current geopolitical sphere is very scary, It's very frightening.

28:50 Speaker 2: Look, I lived then at the edge the pointy tip of the sword of the geopolitical sphere for years and doing stuff overseas that was weird, okay, So and so my senses are attuned to the leaky signals coming out of institutions I used to work for and support, and I remember how they would formulate their expression of what was going on for the public when I was inside and knew everything that was going on. And I hear that going on now, and I'm worried, right, I'm very worried that we are completely and totally ignoring what will be two billion refugees caused by climate change in the next decade and we're sitting here ignoring it.

29:52 Speaker 2: I put gasoline in my car. I'm going to drive a thousand miles this weekend. And it's just because what alternative do I have. I'm not buying a piece of jump Tesla.

30:03 Speaker 1: Right right, right, and and and and I mean we could go down that rabbit hole. But electric cars, uh, I mean they're.

30:14 Speaker 2: Not They're not ready for prime time, though they are getting.

30:17 Speaker 1: There, right, Yeah, it's it's but in the minerals involved, you know how we're getting them. It's a little dicey, So you know, it's it's it's it's also got to be cleaned up. But uh, it's it's hopefully it's getting there and hopefully we'll figure something out.

30:36 Speaker 2: Uh. Well, the United States after COVID decided to clean up its act on supply change, and it's finding alternative sources with our friends, even if it costs a little more, so we can avoid having to buy stuff from people we don't like.

30:51 Speaker 1: Well, how in a society, now, what if we were to find out that something such as a zero point energy has been hidden from us? And I personally have gone through winters with my family when I was younger where we had no money for pro paane, so what we were doing is boiled water. We would uh uh my mom would like turn the stove on and open the door to heat the house. I mean, if we went through all that and and and I don't even have it, like my childhood you know, was rough, but there's people who have it much rougher.

31:32 Speaker 1: And if we find out one day that all these patents that have been seized by the Patent Office about that have to do with alternative energy devices, I mean we're talking civil war kind of attitude, like like actual people, people's lives and livelihood, you know, So I mean, what UFOs they have to be using if we have them, like David Grush says, if all the evidence points to that we have some sort of crash retrieval program, if we have harnessed that energy, I mean, the implications of hiding it are they would spark a revolutionary war.

32:20 Speaker 2: Yep. So I feel any of those who know that I'm Bob McGuire underscore N four h Y on X Twitter. You can see that. In the last week I wrote a very very long essay on what would happen if suddenly we got free energy available to everyone with no one in the way. And it's an analysis of all the things that would be impacted, in positive and negative. It's not complete, but it's certainly a good start. And here's what I think are parts of the things that are in the way. Let's suppose suddenly we had the ability to give you, Tyler, a little cube that power everything you want on demand.

33:08 Speaker 2: Right, You're no longer buying power from company X, the specific Pacific Electric or whatever. And I'm no longer buying from a BG BG and E okay, so Baltimore Gas Electric. So they're gonna go broke gone. The oil companies gonna go broke because they're no longer needed except for lubrication and other things. And it'll take time for all that to evolve. But the this, this is truly destructive advancement and technology in that so much will go over. It won't be fun but fun, and we better figure out how to manufactory and distribute it quickly so that people can switch over quickly, so that the individual people can get on and get going with their lives, even though all these other energy sources will be failing if such a thing were possible.

34:09 Speaker 2: But just the implications of what we have seen and observed from credible observers are that an unbelievable source of energy is available to produce what we observe.

34:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, the proof of concept is every every credible UFO sighting. That's the proof of concept right there. For because you know the accounts, they never say that, you know, these things are running on steam power or or gasoline or making you know noises and combustion, you know, combustion engine. No, it's always the skipped across the sky or you know it looked like it was jumping through dimensions, skipping across the sky. You know, that's just what.

34:55 Speaker 2: The thing that people should realize is the people that's set up in the late nineteen forties the UFO secrets after the crash at Roswell. Are these same people that set up the secrets for the Manhattan Project, right and now the worst of the secrets, like this energy source are their energy required to propel the craft, et cetera. Are classified at birth under the terms of the Atomic Energy Act.

35:24 Speaker 1: Because anything that produces a radio radioactive signature, even though even if it's not from a source that of our own making or you know whatever, that falls under that classification system from the DOE, which is it maybe you know better, but does that fall under SAD. I feel like that's a different set of classifications and.

35:53 Speaker 2: The Atomic Energy Act, So.

35:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's mainly without general oversight.

36:00 Speaker 2: Well they are they are allowed to have that stuff classified and no one can demand to look at it with f O I A. And it is secured from oversight from Congress.

36:12 Speaker 1: Right, And there lies our problem is the people that we represent, that we have that we elect to represent us in government are are are They're trying their best, but I mean, look at things like the and what I wanted to bring up look at things like the Wilson Davis memo. Right. The Wilson Davis memo has generated significant discussion in the UFO community. Uh, and I mean you're looking at uh Rear Admiral Wilson in the E, G and G parking lot, right, saying that he can't get access to this information, this program, that and and and and he has a need to know.

37:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's he's not on the bigot list, right.

37:03 Speaker 1: But you're not on the sir, You're not on the list. You could go to the president, you don't even go to every whoever the fuck you want, but you're not Gassie what's behind the door, because you're just you don't have a need to know.

37:16 Speaker 2: So thet then he got his career threatened.

37:19 Speaker 1: Right, and and so the Wilson Davis memo and you have a kind of an interesting connection.

37:26 Speaker 2: So my initial connection is it's really really so weird. This is one sacredous the after another. So I, as I told you before, I got interested in UFOs from seeing stuff inside. I knew that Richard Dolan wrote about UFOs on the National Security State, so I figured that was the easiest to read stuff. And the easiest way to figure out stuff. So I went there and he I became trusted and trust a relationship with him, so I knew he was about to out the Wilson Davis document. It came through a securitis route, but he got it and he decided to blast it all over the world and told everybody about it.

38:07 Speaker 2: And of course then there's years of denying its reality and so forth and so on, and so I would retire, and I moved to my retirement home, and during that move, I'm going through craft figuring out what to throw out, and I found my daily journal from a time before all of this happened, in which I made a note about a friend of mine who was worked at the National Reconnaissance Office who was there while I was attending a conference and asked me to come up and visit him in his office. And he showed me a letter he got from Wilson complaining about his problem, and did this guy have any way to help him gain access to the information?

38:57 Speaker 2: And I went, WHOA. Wilson just retired as the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and I was there for amazing conference which is run by the Defense Intelligence Agency. So I went WHOA Okay, look friend, let me tell you what you do. Here's what you do. You don't acknowledge that you even received this. You burn it as fast as you can. It's not mark classified. Just burn it, put it in the burn bank. And I let But I made a note in my journal and so I completely forgot about it. And then I found this note in my journal when I was deciding whether or not to throw it away, and there you go.

39:37 Speaker 2: So that was weird. And then Golan comes out with this. I go to a conference and Huntsville for the SCU and I'm sitting at the table with Linda Thompson, who is a well known researcher in UFOs, and a person asked John Alexander about the Wilson Davis notes. And Eric David is sitting in the back of the room. John Alexander says, why are you asking me this? Back there is the author of the Wilson Davis notes. Go ask him. And so he was totally out of all over the world as the author of the Wilson Davis notes.

40:14 Speaker 2: And now Eric himself has claimed ownership.

40:19 Speaker 1: So with those notes, do you I'm just gonna ask, are are the notes genuine belief.

40:28 Speaker 2: I believe it. I'm one hundred percent.

40:33 Speaker 1: Right, and and and I mean even in the notes, I think Admiral Wilson says that you know, if this comes out, I'm not I'm going to deny it. And yes, even I believe, I believe that he's been reached out to, like by Arrow or whoever, and he basically told them, like, you can bring me in a skiff, you can ask me. I am going to tell you the same thing that I've told everybody, no compment, like.

41:07 Speaker 2: If if he has sinned to sign some kind of non disclosure agreement for this black program. In it in the non disclosure agreement are requirements. The requirements are if you are asked about this program by intent, reasoning for it, what you're working on or the sponsor, you are required to tell the following lie, right, and he signed the.

41:37 Speaker 1: Document and and that's and so being a person like yourself, do you think that's patriotic or do you think that that is hindering a serious effort Because there is a line, and the UFO community they don't really know when it's always instant gratification that I've been dealing with this, and I don't want to. I don't want to bring this up in a bad way, but I've been dealing with this one witness who has been seeing orbs, and honestly, his story is remarkable. And he kept asking me, can you put me in touch with Chris Bludsoe?

42:22 Speaker 1: Can you put me in touch with Chris Bloodsoe? And I'm like, dude, I can't even I can't get Chris's attention for longer than two minutes myself, Like I can't. He just he thinks that he it was very it sucked because he after I told him all that, I was like, listen, I'm having on congressman, I'm having on Bob McGuire. You know, I can do my best to get your word out, but like I that it doesn't work the way you think it works. And now he labeled me compromised. He thinks I'm working for the government.

43:01 Speaker 2: You know they throw her out. Well, I've listened to all this crap for a decade. Now I just don't pay any attention to it. And there's there's a reason. There's a reason. Maybe some of the individuals you've named here, uh answer every text message and every time I call because I don't do this bullshit.

43:20 Speaker 1: Right right, and and that and that. Honestly, that's what I love about you, man, and I love that I've been able to cultivate.

43:28 Speaker 2: Let me thank my girlfriend for giving us a supersticker.

43:32 Speaker 1: Oh did she thank you? Honey? I would have. I was gonna say, you know, if she wanted to hop on, she was more than welcome. But so with the and thank you. Really, I really do appreciate any uh, because we're working on a film right now. Uh cursed echoes for everybody that is interested in the paranormal. I'm from Massachusetts, so we've connected a story about a haunted road in bill Ricca to the Salem or I was gonna say, to the Salem, Massachusetts, to the Salem witch childs. And then from there we were sent to the Bridgewater Triangle.

44:10 Speaker 1: Now it kind of you know, I'll just do whatever, a little plug there. But what are your takes on hotspots?

44:19 Speaker 2: A lot they're re is. So for whatever reason, she and I seem to be living on a hotspot, there's a lot of activity. But I think it's cause we're close to Aberta improving grounds and then Sedona, Arizona. She will o Kurts that place is loaded with activity. Just people should go and follow Melinda Leslie and look at what she does, and if they get the opportunity, go on one of her UFO tours. And here's what I can guarantee you. You will see craft and orbs and or orbs in the sky, or you'll get your money back.

44:58 Speaker 2: I just waited and she she's she's living.

45:00 Speaker 1: Well right I I. I had her on the show and she invited me out there. She said, bring your camera, bring all your camera gear. We'll make it a little short documentary if you want. And I was like, like, you're that.

45:15 Speaker 2: But I gotta tell you what that's that's the great offer because right now she is been filming with I'm gonna I'm gonna park he did Accidental Truth.

45:26 Speaker 1: Oh.

45:27 Speaker 6: Ron James and Ron James are filming right now on the edge of Bradshaw Ranch over the mountain into this place where droans won't fly because they are forbidden by their firmware, by the by the United States government for flying there.

45:44 Speaker 2: So they're filming military aircraft and UFOs working together, going in and out of the ground. So Melinda did some research and right on the edge of that property, which is clearly has a note town enforced by firmware.

46:05 Speaker 1: There's a bit which which, by the way, for anyone listening this happens or watching this happens like it's to prevent people from flying drones into like airports or or Air.

46:20 Speaker 2: Force bass in Virginia that have not had a drone fly over them. Okay, let me finish the story. Yes, Melinda is a researcher. So she researched because there was a connection between Bradshaw and a seaman factory on the other side of the mountain. I won't go into but go look at beyond Skimwalker Ranch and you'll figure it out. But she did a background search on the property that that seaman factory is on, and by Lockheed Martin.

46:54 Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep. And for anyone who doesn't know or is been living under a rock, Lackey Martin is a company. It's an aerospace company that has long had dealings with the military and been a very very highly scrutinized company. Uh from the UFO community. Uh, since most people point the finger saying that they have they're involved in the cover up.

47:27 Speaker 2: Yeah.

47:27 Speaker 1: And and Eisenhower, I mean, you know, we see we see, we see it start to happen, right, the cover up start to happen. I mean right after Roswell. Right months later, the National Security Act, the sweeping National Scurity Act happens.

47:45 Speaker 2: And that's after the over blight of the Capitol.

47:48 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, So people forget. People always say that notion like, whoa, why don't they just land on the White House lawn? Well, they practically fucking did.

48:01 Speaker 2: And Truman blew a gasket.

48:04 Speaker 1: Yes, so would you would you be willing to tell that story?

48:08 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, so for two weekends in a row, multiple UFOs fly right over the Washington, Miama close to the White House and then over the Capitol, and the United States Air Force, through multiple air bases, including the ones that did not have a drone fly over them, flew interceptors up there to find the things, and they the things ran away from them like they were nats. Okay. So, uh Truman almost immediately after that sits down with help from Edward Condon, Bannerver Bush. You get the idea, right, the National Security Rules and uh so they author of the National Security Act.

48:55 Speaker 2: They found Central Intelligence Agency from the remnants of the US from World War Two and They formed shortly after that in fifty four, the National Security Agency, whose job is to read other people's messages and to collect signals and to encrypt our stuff so other people can't read it, and on and on. They built the National Security Community during the Truman administration using the National Security Act and the Etomic Energy Act and so forth. Truman was paranoid and he was very secretive.

49:31 Speaker 1: And I actually just did a video. It's on YouTube. I actually, I'll put it like a little thing right here. I did a video about what if Truman used Roswell as a political stage or not a political stage, but he, instead of covering it up, announced that we are not alone to try to bring humanity together and what the implications of that could look like. So uh, it was a fun video to do, but in fact, in our reality, that is not what is what. That's not what happened. It was the exact opposite. They they tightened everything down, and like you said, I mean Condon himself, who wrote the Condon Report.

50:19 Speaker 1: There's there's a bunch of scandal there when you look at it there because he had been stripped of his c clearance right around the same time as Oppenheimer, yet and and he had wrote, uh, the the Atomic Secrecy Act right reinstated to come and then right the the the UFO stuff like red flag or no, so.

50:49 Speaker 2: It's a red flag. And and Lewis what's his name Strauss he hated Oppenheimer, and he and Condon the others who did want the Oppenheimer to get all the credit for doing the UFO staff decided to get him out of there and blocking forever having access.

51:05 Speaker 1: You know, absolutely, so that that kangaroo court, you know, was it really about nuclear technology or was it about something else?

51:17 Speaker 2: He afforded He afforded him the opportunity by covering up a friend of his and his brother's affiliations during the time of the craziness the red.

51:26 Speaker 1: Scare right times right. And you know someone who I think is doing really great work right now is maybe you know Jesse Michaels. Yeah, he's doing great, He's doing amazing work. Uh and and he's been really like helping me and myself connect dots. And do you think so do you think Oppenheimer knew more about UFOs than than than we know.

51:58 Speaker 2: I think Oppenheimer set up the original scientific work on the UFO under the atomic secrecy hat structure, just like the Manhattan Project. And then he ran a foul politically of a bunch of people and they wanted him out and they took it over right.

52:17 Speaker 1: So and and that would because we've again we talked about the beginning of show how the Atomic Act, this Atomic Secrecy Act, it didn't just cover nuclear like our own nuclear technology. It covered anything with a radioactive signature. So any so we talk about Randallsham, we talk about other Socorro New Mexico. We taught Corona, New Mexico, all these things. I mean, if they gave off any radiation whatsoever, which tends to be the case, they automatically are are are classified and and sectored uh and sequestered away.

53:05 Speaker 2: So so it is how put off is given a talk about what it would look like around a warp bubble around the UFO and so anything has black body radiation, some of it is infrared and other things. But after it goes through the time distortions are in the gravitational field around a craft through a warp bubble, it will have Doppler shifted much higher frequency until it is ugly radiation. That's all we need to classify it under the Atomic Energy Act.

53:44 Speaker 1: My god, it's so easy. It's just so it's so easy to cover everything up. So that's and that's what people don't realize is people don't think that the military and the US government can keep secrets. But they can. They can and arguably, like this is the biggest story never told.

54:03 Speaker 2: Right, Well, if the recent stories are right, there's only eight hundred people on the entire Bigot list, and that may be exaggerated because it's probably gotten smaller. Probably, Yeah, right, people know the secrets.

54:21 Speaker 1: I have no doubt in my mind. This came up in the last podcast I did with Samuel Chong. But he thinks that those of those eight hundred people that do know that it is a global operation. No borders, there's no Russian, Chinese. I mean, yes, they have nationality, but this group of people transcend government and society law in general. They they don't they don't have to adhere to the laws that you and I adhere to. They are above the law in most cases.

54:59 Speaker 2: I don't know how much people believe in Richard Dodes, but Richard Doli has said Richard Dodi has said that for years and years, we and the Russians have worked together and exchanged information at the scientific level. All these things. We have gone to their places and they have come to ours.

55:16 Speaker 1: Because and it would make sense if I was if I was a superpower and okay, okay, okay, let's break it down even further. If I was Company A and Company B was across the street, right, and we were competitors, but there was something that was interfering with Maybe this is a bad I think I did a bad analogy here, So let's just keep it with countries. But if I was the US and I had nuclear weapons, and I was Russia and you also have new and we can end the world together with us simple miscalculation, I'd want to get ahead of that problem and say, hey, these UFOs, are you seeing them too?

56:07 Speaker 1: Because we don't want to think it's each other and blow the world up.

56:10 Speaker 2: Well, you should know then that the treaty that Nixon and Branshing have signed from the start treaty his garmtroduction talks their first treaty has the UFO clause in it and establishes the red the hot Hotlire hotline.

56:30 Speaker 1: So that would get them on the phone. And so because there's been instances. I just, for instance, had Robert Sallas on the show. Now a lot of people, you know, they have criticisms of him. Some you know, it's it's the UFO community, So I think everyone has one side and the other, right.

56:53 Speaker 2: I just ignore all that.

56:55 Speaker 1: Yes, he's fucking telling the truth. Guys. Uh, there's no doubt in my mind. And I I had to go through stages of interviews with his wife just to get him to talk to me, because his wife is so sick of people, uh playing gotcha, getting them on our show and then trying to back them into a corner. And I think that is such a it's such a if you if you're a podcast and you do stuff like that, walk the doors that way, walk out, because if that's if you're like the Steve streaming Stephen Green streets, it just just please leave us alone, like we just we're better off.

57:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good man, And it's it's really like I I would be hard pressed to say that we know the government has infiltrated UFO groups in the past to kind of sew disinformation. Right, So when someone like David Grush comes out, for instance, a very highly decorated beyond measurable incredibility when he comes out and says these ground breaking things in front of Congress

58:27 Speaker 1: under oath, sitting next to two of the bravest people to be able to sit next to him, you know, Commander Fravor. You know arguably that guy, that guy is Top Gun Maverick. You know that he is Tom Cruise from Top Gun Maverick. And then Ryan Graves, who's been

58:48 Speaker 1: you know, he was in the military. His crew, he didn't see them, but they were seeing them on radar. His crew absolutely dealt with these things on a daily basis. He's become a huge advocate for public safety and commercial airline safety, uh military airline safety. So when they sat there and they gave those powerful statements under oath, more people were watching the Johnny Depth trial. That's a joke. That's kind of that's a joke. Are you kidding me?

59:27 Speaker 2: I think, I think I think people are living in Okay nurses splits. They don't understand what's at stake, They don't understand the implications. They don't understand how much our world can change. What is what appears to me to be hidden is technology that freezes everyone from any form of want except the love of someone.

59:51 Speaker 1: Right, that's the only thing that can't be taken. It transcends both time space, it's, it's, it's and that's my I know we're jumping into like the wu right now, but there's something about like the ancient cultures and love. It's the ultimate tool against evil. And and I know that sounds weird, but some things have happened lately to show me that it is true. It is, it is absolutely true. So what we have to do is we have to stop falling into these these these social algorithms that are fed to us on our phone.

1:00:40 Speaker 1: Right, people aren't getting the news anymore, Bob, They're.

1:00:44 Speaker 2: Getting related by algorithms that that forced dopamine release. So you're adopted, abducted, yea.

1:00:53 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Yeah he's got that's the Slider' twenty and be like yeah, so no, thank you so much. And actually, you know what, you know, maybe we can have her on UH in a future episode. I would love to do that, because I would love I want to talk to a medium, because I when I was in Salem and I was interviewing the witches self proclaimed, I'm not calling these women witches, they're self proclaimed, which is, you know, I'm very lucky I got to do my interviews in Salem. The backdrop is the Witch's Memorial where everyone go.

1:01:38 Speaker 1: That's where you go if you go to Salem, Like that's that's the thing everyone wants to see, is the gravestones. And like that's the backdrop of all my interviews. I got really lucky, you know. And so I'm interviewing these witches and mediums and all these people, and they keep telling, they kept telling me, and my girlfriend was there. Some of it's on camera that a title wave is coming, a title wave is coming. And when I asked for clarification, the medium said, it's not like an actual title wave, but it's a title wave of information.

1:02:20 Speaker 1: It's it's and she wouldn't go further because she didn't want to speculate, And anything further than that she would have been speculating and she didn't want to And you know what that that that set her up, in my eyes, is like okay, like this lady doesn't want to speculate what that could mean. She doesn't want to get it wrong, she doesn't want to make predictions. She doesn't want to go past what she's seeing. So it gave her more credibility than she'd already earned. People, What what do you think about that?

1:02:51 Speaker 1: Do you think we're on that precipice, Like we've talked about, we're at change in human history?

1:02:56 Speaker 2: Just just look and look around you that we are. We have several different things teetering on a ledge. One wrong move in the world is going to push a bunch of things over the edge, and we're gonna have to deal with it. I also don't want to speculate because I don't want to make people fearful when I don't have firsthand knowledge. And literally I'm not on the inside anymore. But I gotta tell you what I'm Literally, I have friends that live near military bases. They are seeing activity that you can't believe.

1:03:35 Speaker 2: Lala and I live near Aberdeen Proving Grounds. They are blowing up the earth over their tests and stuff. I mean, it's amazing. It's house rattis two or three days a week from all the testing and so something. Oh that's cute. Actual weapons over their artillery, drop bombs, et cetera.

1:03:56 Speaker 1: See live fire, live fire, It shakes the whole house. Thank god, Yeah, and and and so so things. Now, why would that be thank you. It's okay, you could. You're allowed in thank you. I appreciate it. I was getting a little, yeah, a little a little dry mouth, so I had thank you.

1:04:23 Speaker 2: We'll look regularly, we go to our stock files, bring out exemplars and test them to make sure they're still working right.

1:04:32 Speaker 1: It's efficiency, it's how we keep things. That's why you know Russia is seeing a huge problem because of the Chinese weaponry.

1:04:42 Speaker 2: Korea. Yeah, yeah, favor they blew up thirty thousand tons of it.

1:04:52 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Uh did you see recently? Not even a couple I would even say it was a couple of days ago. This might have been within the last twenty four hours, but israel I ran lobbed like one hundred and eighty missiles to the Iron Dome. And uh, I mean things are getting I mean, I don't want to say it out loud, but if a certain country were to make a move on Taiwan, I am really and I'm genuinely fucking fearful, Like it's emotional. I am generally fearful that that the greedy, the one percent like people don't realize the same people that have the contracts to blow these places up somehow have the contracts to clean it up and rebuild it.

1:05:53 Speaker 1: Guys, we're being fucking played.

1:05:57 Speaker 2: Well, except except in the case of China. He has a single person caught, the personality dictatorship, and he has announced that in twenty twenty six he's gonna take Taiwan. What can we do but take him at his word?

1:06:15 Speaker 1: Literally, we have to say.

1:06:17 Speaker 2: That's all goot. So we are doing very provocative things. We're stationing special forces on the island of Taiwan. We basically have talked Japanese into unleashing. They have expeditionary forces and they're going to be able to project power the Philippines. They're letting us back on the island. We're putting all sorts of stuff on those islands. And it is clear that what we intend is when China launches the armada, whether it's drones or missiles or ships or whatever, they can't take the island without taking people.

1:06:53 Speaker 2: So we will largely sink their entire force. Yeah, and they will do a lot of image to Taiwan before that happens, because they're going to try to vomit into submission.

1:07:05 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly so, and you know it's weird. It's a weird connection. But in the nineties, this and we've we we are and I hate to say this, but strategically we made a stupid move, a stupid move by not keeping keeping an eye on, you know, throughout this whole Afghanistan thing. You know, we had our heads so focused on the war on terror that we didn't realize that that we didn't because back in the nineties, when China would get iffy or they would, you know, get a little spunk in them, all we had to do as a as a nation was send the the Princeton, that group, the Nimitz Battle Group.

1:07:56 Speaker 1: We would just send it into that the straight right there, and we would just park it and and China would see that and go, oh, nothing.

1:08:09 Speaker 2: I want to tell you right now, nothing's gotten better for them. There's a fifteen mile wide straight through which they receive all the raw materials they need to survive from whatever they would need to manufacture, stuff to fuel, and they export all the material they manufacture, et cetera. So they can't get food or supplies that the last longer than they probably have three months stockpile. But we could interdict right there and they would be starving in three months.

1:08:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're young. They're having a huge problem with their young people right now.

1:08:42 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're going that they're in the few mode. Yeah. I call it that the Eic, the ethic Ethic movement, because they're home going.

1:08:53 Speaker 1: This is bullshit. And you know what, the Korean people, like the North Korean people, need to snow out of it. They need they also need to snap out of this this.

1:09:05 Speaker 2: I don't know, they're gonna push and help.

1:09:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so what could UFOs do to unite the world?

1:09:19 Speaker 1: How could what's the future? Could you see a future in which UFOs and the just disclosure in general change, Like, we all need to have that Edgar Mitchell moment when we're coming back from the Moon and we look upon the Earth and we see that there's no borders, there's nothing but a pale, blue, perfect beautiful planet. That's what we need. We need that as a society.

1:09:53 Speaker 2: I said, so, if if I were wanting them to interdict anything, it would be to render unusable every nuclear weapon on Earth. That would send a message that no one can deny.

1:10:10 Speaker 1: That would be my gods, that send shivers? Do you

1:10:19 Speaker 1: I I just choked on that A little bit that would Yeah, I drank, took a sip and that was choked on it. But do you also think that that might send the wrong because we have to look at intent here because the leaders of the world, now, neutrality looks a lot different than hostility. But in our eyes the human perspective, neutrality from them may seem hostility.

1:10:53 Speaker 2: It may see, but they've already done it. They went up over the mine not air force base and I know it feels and shut down our missiles. They went to Russia and started their missiles.

1:11:05 Speaker 1: As I say, they turned them off, So that that to me is a clear indicator.

1:11:09 Speaker 2: Right. But I mean, but they the only follow up is letting it sink in how powerful they are.

1:11:21 Speaker 1: Yes, And do you think that we the public know? Right? Uh? Do you think that that is why there hasn't been a nuclear exchange in I mean, there's only ever really been one or two, I should say. Do you think that the UFOs kind of did the job and and actually got to the the the objective was achieved where they kind of hinted at it like, hey, at any moment.

1:11:56 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I tell you I believe. What I believe is that corruption in Russia and China is basically doing their job for them. We have always intelligence report said that a bunch of messiles in China were tested and the tanks were filled full of water.

1:12:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they were the people that were the mercenaries were siphoning off the gas and selling the gas and not.

1:12:22 Speaker 2: Taking not fueling them with solid propeller. They were poppeting and filling it full of sawdust. I mean, they were just not doing anything. When you run a corrupt economy, you but that's your method of control. Expect the people to behave like you do.

1:12:41 Speaker 1: Correct you you're you're you're only going to get a mirror of you.

1:12:48 Speaker 2: In the Russian army in Ukraine right now. Ukraine has no right to be able to stop an army that people thought existed for Russia mounted their attack.

1:13:02 Speaker 1: Right because and and and you know a lot of people say, oh, you know what if these you know, like people in in like idiots, uh that all this UFO stuff is it's it's it's gotta be Russian technology or Chinese technology. You're gonna tell me that if Russia had UFOs at their disposal, that Ukraine and that war would still be happening. Come on, come on, that is such horseshit. This is not That is not technology that these countries clearly have. If they had it, they'd be using it, because at this point it's all they have.

1:13:49 Speaker 1: You can't go nuclear because then everyone goes nuclear and I.

1:13:53 Speaker 2: Won't recall what's going on here. Ukraine is halting took for the most part, Russian advances to basically crawl with losing one thousand plus people a day with our twenty five year old technology. We have a lot better than that.

1:14:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, there is this notion that we should as a society want the war to end, right.

1:14:27 Speaker 2: With the exception of there is only one end that Putin will accept, and that's people laying flowers on his casket. Putin is he will not surrender, He will not back off.

1:14:44 Speaker 1: You don't think that. Now, say President Trump, Say Trump gets in, Do you think this war escalates or goes de escalates?

1:14:55 Speaker 2: Oh no, it'll escalate because then he'll feel he's empowered to attack Europe. But they are spending every dime they can to catch up. They're integrating and working together.

1:15:08 Speaker 1: Okay, what if Harris gets in? How do we I mean we need to stop funding the war through a proxy like.

1:15:16 Speaker 2: No, I just don't agree with you, because Putin is not going to Look, look, listen to what Putin says, because he is telling you the truth. He has taken over territory in the country of Georgia, he has taken over territory in the country of Moldova. He took over the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine, and when he was a signed a peace treaty, he attacked the rest of Ukraine a year later. This guy is constantly telling us who he is. He moved in to Syria and tried to kill the Americans there until they showed them, Look, you don't want to do that, and one hundred men mowed down close to two thousand Russians in two days.

1:15:59 Speaker 2: Look, Putin is a guy that is a bully is and he's now just to remind people. He's laid down two dozen red lines, and we've allowed Ukraine to cross all and what's happened?

1:16:16 Speaker 1: Right and and and I so again, how does how can UFO disclosure help? Because there's got to be something that unites us, that.

1:16:31 Speaker 2: Stocks the UFO disclosure is going to change human nature.

1:16:35 Speaker 1: You don't on our own right, and that would be a collective.

1:16:39 Speaker 2: So I'm not going to empower us with technology that enables the worst of us to act even worse.

1:16:47 Speaker 1: So do you think that there is someone behind these okay, let's call them the secret keepers, just for for a namesake, these secret keepers? Do you think that they they want this division and conflict to continue?

1:17:06 Speaker 2: No, I don't have good. Look, people have to understand how huge our government is. Not everybody in our government is united. If they were united, we wouldn't have the FBI Lincoln stuff that misled you about Hillary Clinton, or you wouldn't have the FBI telling stuff on Donald Trump before he ever went to trial when you're never supposed to allow evidence out. Look, there are always factions inside of a inside of a democratic government. You have the old and you have the new. You have the A and you have the B, and they they fight each other even inside.

1:17:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, I but you don't see any good notion like so. A notion that I would bring up here in this as an example is we see that the UFO issue seems to be bipartisan for the most for the most part, and I see that as a good thing.

1:18:07 Speaker 2: But that doesn't help us with our enemies. Right, just just because we wish Gee and Putin and what's his name in North Korea would be peaceful, they're not going to be. They don't have it in them.

1:18:21 Speaker 1: So so okay, now we've established that it's uh, there's no sitting at the table with these people.

1:18:32 Speaker 2: Yes, you'll sit at the table and they'll light.

1:18:36 Speaker 1: Twelve months, right, So okay, if we're if if we can't do that anymore, then I mean, do we need to Is it? Is it on us as a country or on NATO as an organization to then infiltrate and take these people out.

1:18:54 Speaker 2: We took this job on at the Breton Woods Agreement at the end of World War two. We guaranteed all of our enemies and anybody else who would come that we would make the oceans free of piracy and allow them to move their goods around the world. And we agreed we would open our markets and set up financial institutions and they could flow their goods into us and we would buy them without restriction. So a little that's breaking down a little bit, but that's still the governing structure of the world.

1:19:28 Speaker 2: And petro dollars is the international currency of exchange. And anybody that is daydreaming that China and India and bricks are going to replace the dollar, they're living in a pipe dream. There's not enough money in those countries to replace the trivions of dollars flowing through the currency system. It's a pipe dreaming. It isn't going to happen bil until the United States falls, and it has to fall hard. The Brettonwood system may made Peter, but I don't think it's gone fall.

1:20:02 Speaker 1: No, I don't think it is either. I just get worried sometimes about the the China, China, the Belton Road initiative that they have.

1:20:12 Speaker 2: Their they're bankrupt people. They don't understand that China is a bankrupt They have over leveraged themselves with the dark rup And look, the United States is also full of corruption. Otherwise you wouldn't have day Chinese company sending all the stuff that's needed to go to do the war in Iraq. Yeah, and there's people on the other side too. I'm not saying it's one side, but corruption is part of government. What we want to do is minimize it.

1:20:45 Speaker 1: And again I see a path forward where you the UFO issue or just because with the UFO issue, I think comes and I think it's kind of implied that when we're talking about UFOs, we're not just talking about UFOs, We're talking about kind of everything, right, the paranormal.

1:21:10 Speaker 2: We have to clearly demonstrate to our people and others. Here's how the UFO stuff is going to ultimately change your life forever for the better. Then it will be united.

1:21:21 Speaker 1: There you go, That's what I'm talking about. So using this as a catalyst, saying guys, look, you know we may you know, we're fighting over land, we're fighting over resources, but let's look at this. We see an alternative. Now, maybe the US government has made mistakes in the past, and you know what, we're gonna have to live with that. We're gonna have to meet the US government or military industrial complex halfway on this because the mistakes they haven't been made already. There's no fixing it, right, But what we can do in the future is be more transparent.

1:21:59 Speaker 1: Right if it's if you have a four K video of a UFO and the way you got it was through a sensor system, maybe that shouldn't be operating in a certain area. Scrub it all, scrub all you need, but show me the fucking UFO, right, do whatever you need to do.

1:22:21 Speaker 2: Look, I mean, you know what will happen. People will say, CGI, that's the where it came from.

1:22:26 Speaker 1: And that's the problem we're running up now is we're running congruent with AI and AI advancement. I mean your background is created by AI today, right.

1:22:39 Speaker 2: So technology?

1:22:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean we're talking what happens when AI is so realistic that someone makes a video that's so compelling and shows like something like a UFO landing, or or like a President Putin saying that he's about to launch nukes and that somehow goes viral, and we're one miscalculation away from something bad happening. So you know, I just I have this ominous darkness that I that that I feel, and I don't like I see a way out. But it's got to be we got to leave this mindset of MAD, like something that has the acronym MAD.

1:23:31 Speaker 2: We are not.

1:23:32 Speaker 1: How are we so oblivious that mutually as shured destruction is the only thing that's keeping us from being on this planet?

1:23:40 Speaker 2: It means there's a lot of omies paid to MAD because it QUO won the Cold War.

1:23:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it also pigeon held us into this feeling that the only thing that's keeping us alive is the notion that I got nukes and you got nukes, and we don't want the world to end. So we're not going to exchange battle, but we're going to keep them in silos pointed at each other. So everyone feels on edge all the time.

1:24:07 Speaker 2: Well, and you got one, you got one dictator threatening reuse them every two minutes, because yeah, I think one buff bluff calling after another. I don't think he's going to do it.

1:24:17 Speaker 1: No, I don't.

1:24:18 Speaker 2: I'm giving you my opinion based on years of geopolitical experience. I think Prutin is in real trouble. And if we went all in with Ukraine, and I don't mean send troops, I mean give them what they need and the permissions they need, they would have control of their country in a year.

1:24:37 Speaker 1: Right, But is it? I mean Ukraine wasn't. I guess we don't even have to go down that road because I think everybody knows that Ukraine wasn't free of corruption before this.

1:24:50 Speaker 2: Because Putin had his cronies installed in Ukraine. Right, it's not free of corruption now, just like the United States is not free constant battle. People want to take advantage any system. It's our job as citizens to fight.

1:25:06 Speaker 1: Against that right. It absolutely is. No, it absolutely is. And you know with that, with that being kind of said, uh in your opinion, how with why do I phrase this? You know, but because with recent reports of military encounters with U A P. You know, Alexando's books come out. You know, what do you think these incidents reveal about the nature of the phenomena, because you know it we're we're going down a path here that ultimately it's got to lead to some sort of disclosure. So you know what is the perception uh that that that you think has been revealed by things like el Zando's book, uh and other you know, military accounts.

1:26:01 Speaker 2: What I see now is a seventy year old security system that is fraying at your edges and falling apart, and the people who have been held inside with a chain around their neck and a gun at their head and fear as the main control authority are going effort. I'm going to tell the story. And man, somebody I thought would never ever open their mouth is Harold Malngram. Harold Malngram. People don't know how important this guy is. He is so important and he has been around for four presidents advising them and other things.

1:26:51 Speaker 2: Haild malngred and he started talking about the things he knows. And I'm telling you that is a name that will cause people in both parties, military, industrial, et cetera to sit up and take notice.

1:27:05 Speaker 1: I'm trying to look it up right now. Can you give me the lowdown.

1:27:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on X and he's starting to tweet out things he was told about non human intelligence and that he knows from being on the inside.

1:27:19 Speaker 1: So a new are you? Are you in contact with them?

1:27:25 Speaker 2: We exchanged stuff onto X, but he and I are not buddies. I film once and a skiff about near the end of Star Wars after Reagan. Yeah, and then brand Fare and the Lowell Woods and a bunch of other people were there and I gave him a briefing, and so that was my only personal contact with hereever. But I have known who he is ever since.

1:27:51 Speaker 1: Well. I would love to try to get him on the show and have a conversation.

1:27:55 Speaker 2: I don't know if he would do that, but you should try.

1:27:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll maybe put in a good word for me because I'd love to have a conversation with them. But okay, I mean, so.

1:28:06 Speaker 4: You know.

1:28:08 Speaker 1: These guys like David Grutch, you know, Lou Elizondo. I mean, they keep calling them whistleblowers, but they're not technically whistleblowers because.

1:28:19 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, they are the technical legal definition of whistle blower inside the United States government, which means they have detected something they believe is illegal, unethical, against the rules of whatever. They are required to make a disclosure under protection to the inspector General of the department they're in. Then they are officially covered by the Whistleblower Act, and within thirty days the inspector generals are to give a report to the to the committees in Congress that cover that agency.

1:28:55 Speaker 2: So I'll be out it. And they are in fact that kid and of official whistle blow.

1:29:02 Speaker 1: Okay, well, so but they're not. They're also you know, yeah, they're they're they're going through Dopster, which is the d D pre Publication Office.

1:29:16 Speaker 2: They're not a laker if they're going through, right.

1:29:19 Speaker 1: So, like, there's a difference between a whistleblower like Edward Snowden, who most would argue did a pretty traitorous thing. You know, some see it as like an act of defiance and or or like uh everybody, yeah, exactly exactly.

1:29:42 Speaker 2: But that guy did a lot, but he did, he did.

1:29:46 Speaker 1: People will never know how bad it was, right, he did compromise a lot of of of intel officers. He compromised a lot he did.

1:29:58 Speaker 2: But let me tell you what compromised in especially if some of them were at our agents. They died.

1:30:04 Speaker 1: They died. Yes, that's it's terrible. And that's what happens. And and and you know, because we we we look at the Internet and and these devices, and you know, the social media platforms that connect us, but we don't realize all the time that there are actual human people that are our lives are at stake who you can't And it's it's one thing to be it's one thing to alert us of a danger, but it's another thing to break national security because that does that that that is a problem.

1:30:44 Speaker 2: Right.

1:30:45 Speaker 1: I mean, now he's living in Russia of all places, right, And I mean I see that as I don't know, I I snowed in makes me I go back and forth because it's like, I mean, are we better are we any better off with that information? Because nothing seemed to change no, they no, it did nothing changed.

1:31:07 Speaker 2: It's different, but still stuff goes on. But no, it's strictly more strictly controlled under more legal cover.

1:31:17 Speaker 1: Right. But I think most people know that you start talking about uh for breeze, you're going to start getting ads for for breeze.

1:31:27 Speaker 2: But that's generally that's because you've allowed you've allowed these silly telephone companies to have permission. The United States government does not have that permission, so they they record stuff, but that doesn't mean they look at it. So collection is defined as taking stuff that's stored. Once you have evidence that you can put in front of a court, or you can assure no American US person is involved, then you can look at it and see what it contains. Right. The reason is we would not be safe if they could not do that.

1:32:08 Speaker 2: We literally couldn't. The weapon could be inside the United States, put together by bad actors and we would never know. But hopefully, but that kind of stuff. With the slightest hint, you can go to a court. You can say here's what we know and we think it means this, and the files of court hed to be okay, and then you can go look. But that it's only worked because it's already in storage not looked at. And this is controlled by the most unbelievable control mechanisms. You can't go touch that stuff without alarms going off.

1:32:45 Speaker 1: Absolutely and this whole TikTok thing, But it brings out into question. I saw some just mention it TikTok. I mean you look at the differences in TikTok in China versus TikTok in the United States. There is a drastic difference in the companies. The Chinese have like educational semin like like times and stuff like that, and then the United States TikTok is is all just like you know, it's it's it's people are genuinely worried about it so far as uh, they might even ban TikTok if it's not sold to an American company.

1:33:29 Speaker 2: At least everybody okay TikTok, hold your finger on it, and you go to the bottom and hit delete.

1:33:38 Speaker 1: That delete it. Yes, I would have to agree on this one, because it is anybody knows. Everybody knows that if you are a company in China, you are working for the CCP no matter what at the end of the day, So that means all are information and if you start going into the to the laws that you sign up for, you know, the ones that nobody reads, the terms of service of of TikTok, you'd be fucking frightened to see what they collect about you on all your.

1:34:14 Speaker 2: The People's Liberation Army does whatever they want with that data.

1:34:18 Speaker 1: So and and and we know that data is the new that's the new thing, right, that's that's there.

1:34:25 Speaker 2: There is reason. There's a reason. There's a reason that illegal assets of the Chinese government inside the United States and storefronts set up by the Chinese government outnumber our total intelligence community workforce. Jesus, there's a reason. People need to wake the heath up, Jesus. China is not our friend.

1:34:59 Speaker 1: No, they are not. And but they are sly. They're very sly because they they they somehow found out how to make this the They're very smart, is what I should say. And that's what I meant earlier when you know, when we we had our eye on the war on terror, China kind of just you know, they they worked on trying to get better.

1:35:26 Speaker 2: Right. Uh.

1:35:27 Speaker 1: They send kids here into Boston to get trained at Harvard and then they go back to China with that information, you know what I mean with that education, So Virginia Tech.

1:35:38 Speaker 2: I had to call in the FBI and the US Naval investigated services because of all the Chinese people that were breaking into my office.

1:35:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's at like I live in arguably, so with Boston, you know, the Ivy League uh area around here, and and I I say this with no prejudice, no racial thing, but there is a large Chinese population in Boston and that is and they're mostly in that college age rage. Uh, it's it's it's it's it's a statistic and it's it's actually quite alarming as well, because you don't you don't know with some of them. You look into the scholarships that they that they're given.

1:36:28 Speaker 7: Here, here's the theory that enough of them will learn that they have spent nearly two decades being lied to by their government about what the United States is actually like, and we'll go back and change minds.

1:36:44 Speaker 1: And then and I think that's what's how you see the people, the younger people uprising now saying wait a second, this is not how it should be, this is not right.

1:36:55 Speaker 2: I mean, they're just sitting at home with mom and dad doing nothing, can't afford the apartment, can't find a job, they haven't unemployment rate in those under twenty five or thirty I can't remember.

1:37:09 Speaker 1: Right, and then and and the the eight I think it's like it's a huge statistic, but uh, males, like it's like seven to one, and they're having a reproduction problem and there's a serious age cap you know that that that that is going to cripple that company, that that country. If it's not, I don't I don't think anyone sees a way that they can solve it. Actually, aside from immigration.

1:37:43 Speaker 2: And so look, a large portion of the problems are sold in China are solved by the ultimate horror of realizing the truth about demographics. China is undergoing the largest demographic collapse in the history of humanity. That's a lot your decrease. It's happening so fast they can't even keep up with it, and they're having to constantly correct their records. So there are hundreds of cities built to house all the new young people working at all these industries selling stuff to the West that are empty.

1:38:26 Speaker 2: Hundreds of empty cities, nothing to do with them.

1:38:31 Speaker 1: Yep. And honestly, the factories that they do have. They have to put nets outside of them because the people are so miserable. They don't have they don't have love because there's no women to love, right, they don't have They all they have is work like seventy two hours a week and they have to live at the place they work making Apple iPhones. They have to put nets on the buildings from people jumping. It's fucking terrible. It's fucking like And people in the United States complain and they complain and they complain.

1:39:09 Speaker 1: It's like, you don't know how good you have it.

1:39:13 Speaker 2: Well, they just stop buying Russia and Chinese propaganda. Yeah, look, we're not saints. We are definitely not saints. We had no business going into Iraq for weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist, and we spent two trillion dollars doing Now, we are not saints, but we need to understand that we have real enemies and they're gonna try to do whatever they can to mess with us.

1:39:40 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and because because we're the big dog, people are always going to fight upward and that is just a nature of reality.

1:39:48 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this. People call me a warmonger for a month.

1:39:51 Speaker 1: But I'm not no, no, passion. War is terrible. I mean people, that's and that's another thing is war is terrible, but it honestly we got to get and that's what I war. You know, ancient cultures and there listen you think wars. I mean they were constantly you know, battling each other ancient cultures. But I kind of think that they there there was ancient Do you believe that there might have been an ancient culture that was advanced like you know, say, I hate to say the a word like Atlantis or Limoria, that maybe technology wasn't like this like our phones, but it was more conscious base I think.

1:40:42 Speaker 2: I think we keep digging deeper with better tools, and archaeologists are finding almost always things are much older, happened much earlier than we think.

1:40:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, absolutely, I mean go back, go back. I always say this one wrong, go beck Lee tepe right that that uh, that is really really divided uh people, Uh and you know it's it's pushing back dates and h have you heard about this all right, this is switching gears totally, But have you heard that rumor about uh NASA briefing Congress buying closed doors about a craft that is potentially heading our way.

1:41:37 Speaker 2: I can't find I can't find a source. I believe that says that, So do you.

1:41:43 Speaker 1: You don't think there's any merit to it?

1:41:46 Speaker 2: Uh, NASA has compartments, compartments, and I'm sure that they have to brief Congress on them, but that particular rumor I don't see any evidence for other than a few podcasts.

1:42:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and the vetted guy Patrick, he had on that guy that he's like, I can't remember, I've never heard of him, and he was saying that he he had heard or he was being told that Congress was being told behind closed doors that they've found a craft. And this is right around the same time that NASA announces that they may have found city lights on a planet.

1:42:29 Speaker 2: That's like, hasn't told that?

1:42:31 Speaker 1: Right and so right, So we see this whole disinformation and it's like, you really don't know what's true or not, and it's like, you know, it's frustrating, And it's frustrating because there's.

1:42:47 Speaker 2: Nothing more frustrating to me than people in the public being lied to by governments and representatives, et cetera. And I am I've gotten to the point where I'm not an absolute free speech person. I believe it is time, and I wrote and put up on Twitter for everybody that wants to go look at it. A proposed constitutional amendment that will forbid people in government, whether elected or are employed, from lying to the American people. It's blinky, it covers every base, and it will toutally change the world.

1:43:30 Speaker 1: Really be interesting.

1:43:32 Speaker 2: I don't care if you don't tell me stuff, just don't lie to me to cover it up.

1:43:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, I could get on board with something like that. Yeah, Like if there are some things that I don't think that we should know, you know, I think some things are better, you know, left to the professionals, right, like operations for instance, the one to capture in lying and you know that stuff. Dude, I'm happy to let you guys do that and do what you need to do, right.

1:44:07 Speaker 2: I do not want to endanger still team sex lives by knowing stuff.

1:44:13 Speaker 1: Right exactly means and methods. I get it, I get it.

1:44:17 Speaker 2: But the best ones, the best ones, people don't even really know who they are.

1:44:24 Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, the best and the.

1:44:27 Speaker 2: Best of those military teams. They are. They are wild, They're awesome, and I won't even say their name.

1:44:37 Speaker 1: Right, like some of those strike teams.

1:44:39 Speaker 2: I mean they.

1:44:42 Speaker 1: Hint right, they you know, they're the type of teams that can top all nations overnight and change regimes overnight. And you don't hear their names. You don't. They're not in the news that they're there. And I and I guess what, I'm happy. I'm happy. I love that they exist because it makes me feel a little bit safer.

1:45:05 Speaker 2: It's better to have small, specialized, highly trained, highly capable people who are trained how to operate in these close environments without destroying a whole building, so we don't have to go to war every time somebody crosses us. As example, every one of those people is a volunteer.

1:45:28 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. And you know, would it be out of the realm of possibilities that some sort of team has been assembled? Do you think it's out of the realm of possibilities that some advanced team uses some sort of reverse engineered UFO technology that people see sometimes?

1:45:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's possible.

1:45:54 Speaker 1: You think it's possible. I think it's possible because I think it's possible that we have some sort of man made UFO, at least one one model that that is. You know, I would say, it's probably the triangle. Uh, it's probably the t R three B if I something similar to it, if I would have to say, I but there's there's definitely I think there's something.

1:46:21 Speaker 2: Uh laala and I have had three trianglesply ride over us since I moved here. Three Yeah, just what kind of sun they are? Real?

1:46:34 Speaker 1: That's the end of it, period period period unmista what we saw. And again, you know you're you're open about where you you you you're in the area of an active military base, very active.

1:46:51 Speaker 2: They fire artillery and other guns and bombs over there multiple days during the week. They do leave us alone on weekends.

1:47:02 Speaker 1: Well, everyone's gonna have the weekend. Everyone, everyone's everyone's gonna go. You know, looking ahead, what do you envisioned for the future of of UFO disclosure?

1:47:16 Speaker 2: Okay, so we know from uh interview. Look, look, Matt Laslow is doing a great job all around. He's going around and doing the great stuff, and he's out at almost all the upcoming hearings. And we're hearing from one of the sponsors centered Rounds that the U A p d A is not dead. Yeah, that even going to make it into the package, but it will be brought up as an amendment in the Lane duck session. Nobody wants to take any kind of risk in the next thirty days until the election is over.

1:47:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and.

1:47:58 Speaker 2: And all helps them break loose soon after.

1:48:02 Speaker 1: Wow? Really?

1:48:04 Speaker 2: Yeah?

1:48:06 Speaker 1: So what do you mean by that.

1:48:14 Speaker 2: Burning up?

1:48:15 Speaker 1: No, that's okay, We're we're going to be winding down now right now. But what do you mean all hell is going to break loose?

1:48:22 Speaker 2: Oh? Learning stuff, disclosure. Oh, but I still think it's going to be dominated by league and nothing official.

1:48:30 Speaker 1: Okay. So I mean because the ship that you're seeing right is, I mean, we are what can the the amount of evidence, the amount of testimony, the amount of witnesses, the amount of people, the the global consciousness is shifting, and I think it's shifting towards the fact that more people believe than don't believe.

1:48:57 Speaker 2: Now, look, that really does impact, I impact on the collective consciousness.

1:49:04 Speaker 1: And that's what I was going to say, Like, we know that they've done studies where you know, they've talked to water and and and then frozen in and you know when they spoke words like love or or intent, you know, uh, positive words. The ice, Uh, the crystals are beautiful. But when they spoke words like fear or hatred or violence like the crystals in form and they be all messy. So our intent, our our collective intent, it literally matt hers our words mat r they affect.

1:49:38 Speaker 2: I have personally witness after eyebat a bunch of raised beds her go out and try to talk to and love on and heal a plan. I would, hey, that thing is dead and two days later to be alive. No way, I'm promising. God is my witness. I don't have a reason to about it because I'm just telling you, I'm a shocked beyond compare as anybody. I'm constantly having that I don't understand reality thrown in my face.

1:50:11 Speaker 1: I don't. That's unbelievable, and that and that's and that's again I I I love that because it really does send that message that love, right, it's it's the transcending universal combatant to hate and to violence. So maybe that's the key.

1:50:34 Speaker 2: Right. Love is definitely a competent we we we do need. Oh man, look, it's it is painful for me to go on UFO, Twitter and an X basis and have listen to the battles going on between people who are ultimately without agency to impact anything except stroking their own egos.

1:50:59 Speaker 1: Ego.

1:51:00 Speaker 2: It bothers me a lot, it does. I just try to sound like the words of sad.

1:51:08 Speaker 1: Yeah no. And you're you You're You're often, you're often.

1:51:12 Speaker 2: Uh.

1:51:14 Speaker 1: What I love about you is that you're you're not afraid to speak your mind, but you also know when to filter and when to speak to the general public versus your you know, you separate your thoughts, like you know, your fleeting thoughts are very you know, uh exactly. Uh so, uh, you're you're you're genuine guy, and you've seen some some crazy stuff, uh, especially you know recently, Like I'm sure you're seeing it. I watch your Twitter, I watch your your Facebook. Uh Lala is always posting content about the stuff.

1:51:57 Speaker 2: It's never ending around here.

1:51:59 Speaker 1: That's and that's what crazy. I want to come out there. I want to see it. I want to experience it because I've had some some experiences recently that they make they're just they're sending me in a certain direction. And uh, you know that's why I reached out to you, and uh, you know, I what what what what advice do you have for people in the field of science. This will be the final uh question in the field of science. You know, young kids, young younger guys, younger females that want to get into the science of.

1:52:38 Speaker 2: I'll tell you my strongest possible recommendation is you're not gonna learn shit sitting in front of your computer. Okay, that's number one. The second is, but I'm not gonna sit in front of my computer. What am I going to do? Do a little research. Find a person who is open to public access. Even if it cost a few bucks for you to go out and observe this stuff with that person, it's worth the money because you're gonna leave there changed.

1:53:15 Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1:53:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna have you have trouble allowing your biases and your logic overcome what you experienced. And my one of my favorite things is if you ruled out all the things that are impossible, the only thing left must be the answer.

1:53:33 Speaker 1: Yep and yeah absolutely it mess And you are not going to.

1:53:40 Speaker 2: Learn anything about this field sitting in front of computer except what somebody else tells you.

1:53:44 Speaker 1: Don't be a prisoner, right, escape the the echo chamber.

1:53:50 Speaker 2: If you will get out of the echo chamber and pay a vacation and.

1:53:55 Speaker 1: Go look yeah, and and and because for scientists, uh, you know we talk about the lack of funding, right, so more what I meant was for them, you know, if they want to get into the science of UAPs, but they're in university, how do they how do they try to be on the cutting edge research university?

1:54:23 Speaker 2: Every member of the research faculty is an independent entity. It's their whole little LLC. If they can go get funding, they can do it violates university policy.

1:54:38 Speaker 1: Okay, so all we need more people pitching ideas and pitching for funding. Yep, okay, all right, so that see that's the that's so guys, that's that. Maybe that's our next move as civilians is to push more, push for more funding for civilian because if we're not going to get it from if we're not going to get the President to come out and say, my fellow Americans, we're not alone, then we need to go do it ourselves.

1:55:06 Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, I mean, look, people need to realize how much money they're spending on all this craft we're using talk on stuff, and realize if they throw ten dollars to somebody that's doing good research and got one hundred other people to throw a few bucks that stuff might happen.

1:55:21 Speaker 1: Yep.

1:55:22 Speaker 2: I had to figure out a way to cross the rubicon.

1:55:25 Speaker 1: But there's a problem in the UFO field is when you start asking for money, they call you and they label you a grifter. That's a real problem. It's a real problem, they.

1:55:35 Speaker 2: Say to get over because nothing happens with a research person of any merit that doesn't cost money, nothing, yep, because they have required to pay for their lab, some of their salary, and their students to do the work. Yeah, and that's how we educate kids in this country through schools.

1:55:56 Speaker 1: Right, And we hold guys like doctor Gary Nolan in high regard, but he came into the field after he had already built a super successful career, you know, like.

1:56:10 Speaker 2: Not anybody who has eleven Nobel Prize nominations.

1:56:15 Speaker 1: Is a bad guy, right, Right, So we need to get more funding and more you know, we're people involved in this on the scientific side, and and the astronomical side, the UH and then honestly the philosophical side, because there're gonna be philosophical implications from disclosure and we're gonna need people.

1:56:36 Speaker 2: Down religious, social physics, math, mag's engineering, all these things are involved. Go find what you care about, find somebody who you believe, believe in, and help them.

1:56:48 Speaker 1: Out exactly so, And like what I like to tell everyone is I found my way. My way is like talking to people like Bob, I collect stories, right, I help illitate that. So I found my job. You found yours. So thank you so much, mister Bob McGuire. You've been amazing. Thank you for spending almost two hours, for coming up on two hours. I usually only go an hour and a half, but I love, always love having a nice conversation with you. You are absolutely amazing and a huge cherish among the UFO community.

1:57:25 Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

1:57:27 Speaker 1: So where can people find you? I'll have all your links in the description below, but just off hand.

1:57:35 Speaker 2: So I'm on Bob McGuire on Facebook, I'm Bob McGuire underscore sorry m h on X and those are by far the easiest ways to find me.

1:57:49 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, and yeah, and I highly suggest that you keep out for him, watch out for him and what he's doing, because he's always posted great content and is genuinely uh surrounded by the phenomena well connected into the community, like with such peach as Chris Bledsoe and others. So, I, like I said, I always want to be on your good side, buddy. Uh. And with that being said, everyone out there in the podcast sphere make sure to leave us a review on Apple or Spotify. It really really helps.

1:58:23 Speaker 1: It's free. Also, if you're watching on YouTube or x or any one of those, make sure to give a follow, uh, like and share uh and we love you. Keep your eye the sky, you never know what might fly. Bye, all right, Bob, see you next time.

1:58:39 Speaker 2: So yeah, take good to take care of try.

1:58:42 Speaker 1: Of course you

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