TDP UFO FILM REVIEWS: "FOIL" Featuring Creadtors Of the Film Zach Green and Devin O'Rourke

0:02 All right, and we're back with the stars and uh the the creators of Foil. Guys, thank you so much for being on total disclosure. So I I do want to start off by saying, so, I absolutely loved, absolutely loved the film. Just from the trailer, you kind of get that vibe that this is going to be you know, that buddy cop, not buddy cop, but that buddy h trip kind of feeling. And I really loved the setting, the intimacy of the film, and just everything that you put together, how you weaved it. And I do want to talk about, you know how how you did some of that, But first I really just want to dig it to who you guys are.

0:59 Uh So we'll start with Zach. Zach, can you tell us just a little bit more about your background and you know how you why is this the movie you made? Sure? Yeah? Well, yep, I'm Zach Green, a director, co writer, co star of Foil. I hail from Austin, Texas.

1:23 Went to high school out there, grew up out there, started taking film classes in high school about junior senior year. Was into it was simultaneously also pretty heavily like a musical theater like theater dork. So I think a lot of Yeah, so I think like a lot of my like dialogue obsession and also just like bigger style of performance comes you know from is rooted in that continues to be. Uh. But then I moved out tire to Orange County to go to Chapman in eight for film school, like a directing writing emphasis there, and I've been out here ever since, not working film the entire time.

2:11 I never fully stopped acting, but there was a period there where I was, you know, working at a furniture fabricator shop for five years, and and then at one point an old college buddy introduced me to Devon. We became fast friends, and you know, our sensibilities linked so seamlessly that it quickly led to actually Devin coming to me pitching the the initial sort of elevator pitch of Foil. So if I was into it. So your real life friendship kind of is reflected in the film in a way. Sure, Yeah, Yeah, I mean yeah, Bud's on screen buds in real life for sure.

2:56 Yeah. Cool? Cool? So, Devin, uh, if you could share the same Yeah. So, I'm also from Texas. Originally I grew up in Houston. I went to University of Texas at Austin, and I didn't know Zach back then. We actually we were there. We had some overlap in years, but I didn't know Zach until really five or six years ago. I moved to LA, I went to film school, and then moved to LA in twenty ten. And you know, I've worked mostly as an editor at various studios, but I've always I've always written and acted as well.

3:40 And throughout the years, I made some short films. And when I met Zach, like you said, we realized that we just had similar sensibilities in terms of how we think about filmmaking and you know, our approach to it in terms of like improv and the looseness of it and the emphasis on dialogue. And also we realized that we both have an interest in sci fi movies and also real life UFO and paranormal cases. So well that oil, I think we kind of the idea because we we'd made a short film right before in twenty twenty, and that went well, and we realized that we both wanted to make something bigger.

4:28 We wanted to make a feature, and we thought, you know what if we brought sort of our dialogue friendship sort of core to a sci fi story, and that's sort of where it started. So you clearly know either So either you know the subject or you researched it heavily before, because you do incorporate these aspects of various UFO like legitimate like whether you want to you know, look at it as a believer or a skeptic, you know, war or history. Uh so uh is this a topic of passion for you guys? I would say that it's always been something that has intrigued me and something that ultimately I think it is the thing that I believe in and think about.

5:31 But I think Devin definitely brings a more like specific I would maybe not encyclopedic level, but like he he definitely knows his his stuff, like I only know like the very big, very popular UFO cases out there. But I think you, having seen the film, you notice that in Devin's seen where he really describes a close encounter very specifically, he that all came from his knowledge of I mean, yeah, if you want to elaborate further, Yeah, So, Devin, you I want to know if I'm right about where you pulled that story from.

6:16 So can you tell me where you drew that enclose encounter, how you crafted that story, because there is a similarity in in in you know, of course abduction stories in general. But where did you where did you draw inspiration from that? I would say it was deep detailed. Yeah, there are there are a few real life stories that informed the details of that, one being the Travis Walton case, uh and sort of the idea of like lost time, and another being the Reynal Tromp forest incident and Jim Peniston's story about you know, he's in nineteen eighty US Air Force base and and uh in England touches he touches the craft and he says that he got like a flash of binary code in his head which ended up being like the coordinates for for that that place.

7:31 And so that that was listening to his interviews definitely inspired that. The details of that story, the and and you you you even used And that's what I loved is you use the premise of that, you know, because it's in your journal, right, you end up you know, you end up seeing that it was written. And that's first first of all, And I'm glad you said it. So I got Travis Walton and renders from forst those two. I was like, this is where it's getting pulled from, because you know it had those and you're right when Jim Touchcraft allegedly had that flash of and then wrote this, you know this code that was just you know, uh stuff.

8:23 So that's that's that's what I caught. Like, that's real lure and I love that. I love that about this. I'm glad you got that. You know, the movie is very silly overall, but it was important to us two you know, take with with with Rext's story, like abduction story, to take that seriously because very I've I've seen kind of how the people who have those stories have been affected personally over their whole lives, and we wanted it to be accurate and we wanted to be you know, respectful of people's real stories, even though this is a silly comedy.

9:06 Yeah, well that was important to kind of balance balance the silliness with some some sincerity as far as that that story went. Well, yeah, and I think you did a good job of of of when you're when you actually retell the full story, uh and recall the entire event. Uh. I think that scene it was very powerful in that nature where you know where the tone shifts, right, it goes from that that you know, like bantery comedy, uh, to a really like listen, man, this isn't a joke for me, right, like this is this is this is it and and like it's it's it's you know, something something happened to me and I'm I'm looking very answers.

10:00 And it's what I call the moment of conversion. Right when I talk to actual experiencers, it's the moment they know they go from being a believer to a knower. And I mean, have you had any you know, you those sightings of your own? I would I have not had like a definitive one Zach actually has any like paranormal activity anything. I honestly, I can't say definitively that I that I have. I think what really the core of it for me though, is like it's we talk about a lot about like believe, being a believer and knowing, and like it's it's a matter of it's a it's like a it's about faith really, not like religious faith, but it's like wanting to believe that there's something more out there, right, And that's sort of like the the core of this movie.

11:06 For me, it's about faith and like and sort of like Rex really wanting to to find meaning and what he experienced and like there has to be meaning, right, this has to be real. There has to be something else out there. Right. I can't just be I just I can't sit back and not right this question. But also but also it's about how when you have that kind of experience like Rex did, you can become sort of like frozen in time, like you can't it's hard to move on, which he hasn't really done in his life, right, Like he's he hasn't been able to mentally move on until he finds some answers.

11:48 So and that's inevitably where the boddiness comes in. And you know, it just so happens that in the film. You know, zach Is is back for from Hollywood as a as a fail.

12:07 Yeah, let's let's say what it is. He's it failed. He is it failed. Uh one of the one of the l A transports we call them, right, and uh, he's back home and it's he's funnily uh trying to get a job at Uh. Well I won't spoil that, but yeah, go watch the film. But he's funnily, funnily trying to get a job. It's really it's really like it's a good moment. But you guys then meet and you want to go on this, you know for what Zach would be this and a retreat uh and and inspirational uh journey to kind of spark his inner inner inner writer.

12:50 And for you, uh, it was something else or for your character it was something else. So I love that aspect of the uh to contrasting goals and you know them kind of both being hidden under this reunion of two friends. So I mean, Zach, talk about your UFO or pernal activity. Sure. Yeah. So I grew up visiting a on my dad's side of the family. We would we would rent a house and then later had a house down in a little south of Laguna like Capistrano Beach, like just north of San Clementy, and growing up would stay up late watch the night skies all the time.

13:39 Was always fascinated by what I was seeing bringing my dad. You know, we had a little telescope trying to think I was finding stuff, but you know it was usually like stars aligning and doing like different colored flashings phenomenon. And but there was one particular time where I was driving south on the five about to exit PCH to get to the house, and it was day. It was broad daylight, It's a very overcast day, and as I turned left onto the PCH, I saw like the underbelly, like the shadow underbelly of a disc, like pretty clearly sticking out from the cloud cover to my right.

14:26 I'm going, like the beaches to my right. I wouldn't say it was over the water. It was like pretty you know, maybe like a like thirty degree angle from where I'm looking. And it's one of those things where like I'm on the I'm like driving quickly and don't want to kill myself, but I'm like trying to get a good look. And I didn't have a sun roof to look through, and sort of pulled off into like the closest parking pull off area that I could. It was like a little embankment of restaurants. It's like a kind of bad Italian resta.

14:59 I was right there and got out, and by the time I got out of the car, I didn't see anything up there, but I you know, very vividly, that whole experience of drive was probably the whole thing was probably like a two minute experience of at no point was it moving or going away or disappearing or anything, and at no point did it present itself more than just like the dark outlined separated disc from you know, the overcast you know sky behind it. But that's the only time that that really felt like, Okay, I like fully can't explain you know what that was or yeah, so there's that.

15:46 And you know, for the longest time, I thought I had like a more paranormal like you know, I guess what one we call like a ghost like experience, But I have since come to uh, yeah, hell yeah man, this yeah, this imagery is like something similar to to this yeah yeah, this one, yeah yeah, the one you're pointing at, Yeah, not so much the one on the left with the wisps in it. Yeah, full kind of like that. And I can't unfortunately, I can't save it because it's like a web web p file and those don't work.

16:33 It has to be a certain imagery. But yeah, so like I don't know, there's a there's a cool little picture reference. There's always been a lot of conjecture around uh activities surround that part of the ocean, like Catalina Island and all, yeah, well I've had a sighting on on Catalina there I was. I was there filming and and I I have the film. I mean there's no there's no doubt about what was seen. I mean I was. I was shooting with the Sony Alpha seven C so with with the telephoto lens though, so I didn't get you see it go by like as I'm speaking, and I mean, it's just not I'll talk.

17:27 Maybe we could talk and I'll send it to you guys after. But yeah, and asn't. I've never showed it to anybody because it's gonna be included in something eventually. But uh, yeah, so you're kind of ironic. But I also had a UFO siding right outside this right oside here. And what's funny is I grew up. This is where I grew up, and I'm in Boston, Okay, so uh this is coast, and I lived next to an Air Force base, and but I also lived next to right beyond right at this military industrial complex. Right they had defense.

18:11 Uh they have a huge role in the defense budget and they and they the huge headquarters. So I had this disc come the flyings classic saucer come literally just right over my right over my head and right over my house as I was. This is when I was like fourteen, and uh, I mean it was oscillating and moving forward and it went over my house. I chased it into the backyard and by the time I got in the backyard it was God. But uh, that's what I didn't even know the UFO was. I went to the library and and found out that other people had sightings that that were like mine, that that and there was a label for it called a uf foe, and it was just it was that was like the predecessor to my journey.

19:07 I've always been that guy at the at the party that's asking you know, like like like like kind of like your character Devin uh uh or at least in his current form in the movie, where he's like, you know, drinking and you know, asking the existential questions and uh, you know that guy where uh you know, uh, it's it's kind of funny. So I really drew to your character. But I also drew to your character Zact in the sense that you're the short temperedness and because I have that as well, I definitely have that as well.

19:49 But uh, where did you pull from and and how how did you? How did you when he pitched this to you? What was the what what was your vision for the for the character? And is that what we ended up with? Great question? You know. So when Dev originally pitched it, he he was sort of envisioning almost like a one act version of it, like two guys in the desert come across a piece of something that may or may not be space boil and then kind of you guys are turning on each other's sort of a darker take. Dev references tape Richard Linklator's tape as like the very original inspo and like makes it.

20:34 It was made sense to pitch given that the short we'd just done was shot in one day, no budget, you know, right follow up to that, and so that would be like, you know, if we wanted to replicate that short exactly with foil, that's probably how we would have done it and approached it right. But by that time we were in lockdown. It was it was full COVID lockdown, and that sort of opened the door to let us dream bigger. Not that we weren't also wanting that, you know, we'd love to do our first feature and but that kind of gave us permission to, like, okay, like, nothing's going on right now with anyone anywhere where we are all stuck, you know, for who knows how long, in determined amount of time, So that gave us time to just sort of let our imaginations run wild with it.

21:26 And that's when we started to have a lot of fun with where it could go. And honestly, I don't think we had sort of set characters going into it. I mean I know that we you know, we discussed a lot just the different interpretations of foil, one which being that the characters, the main characters should all be foils of one another, just to you know, easily inspire conflict and generate you know, good dialogue scenes that way. But

21:56 really it started with just Dev and I kind of maybe, you know, you could loosely call out the curve of your enthusiasm approach of like having beats set up for a scene or for a sequence, and then Devin would come over and we'd hang out in my backyard ten feet apart, and we would improv through those beats with sometimes with cameras on, but usually just with our voice recorders on on our phones and that slowly would start to we'd sculpt scenes from that. And also we we kind of found our characters through that improv.

22:29 Oh so yeah, I mean I think we at least had a we I think we at least knew for sure. I was the skeptic and you were the believer. We knew that much, right, But but yeah, I love the I love that poster as well. Uh and to Emily My she's the poster designer, she killed it. Yeah, and so it's playing right now, right, it's out right now and Prime and Apple Prime and Apple Yeah. Awesome, awesome, awesome, And uh, we're not done yet, by the way. I just wanted to make that clear. And then I believe you can go to foil movie.

23:16 Uh if I'm maybe mistaken,

23:22 Yeah, foil movie dot Yeah, foilmovie dot com backslash uh to see more and watch the film or to learn more about it. But you know, mm hm, how did you so how long did it take to make uh make the movie? And what were the shooting conditions, like in the desert like that, because I know it could be challenging, uh, you know, being in in the heat like that, but also at night it becomes really really cold. Yeah, it was very cold at night. So we wrote it. Like Zach said during Lockdown, I think we had our first draft in November of twenty twenty.

24:09 That's actually that's when we started writing. We started okay by the spring of twenty twenty one, yeah, I think, Yeah, early twenty one we had a draft. We continued revising it up until we began shooting in September of twenty one. We shot the first act. Essentially, we shot us driving out in the Bronco, which was in Joshua Tree. That was the weekend of shooting, and then we came back and shot in La the video store scene, and then we took a little break until the next February while we sort of found a new location,

24:56 desert location in Lancaster to shoot the bulk of it. So the main the main schedule was two weeks in February of twenty two out in Lancaster, and it was still hot during the day. It was damn cold at night, bearable during the day. What's that. Yeah, Yeah, it gets real cold and windy, really windy during win there's nothing blocking the wind, right, It's essentially a wind tunnel. It took down canopies and stuff. Oh yeah, I could imagine you couldn't could we even be filming? Like is this usable?

25:40 And the sound guy like really couldn't say. He was just on the boom, like I think. So I guess we'll find out, guys. Yeah, okay, so so wait so really none of that came None of that came through. I mean, I was really impressed with the quality. And I really liked some the because I'm a dialogue I'm a dialogue junkie in it, right, h I love Christopher Nolan. Uh you know guys like that, who are who are just you know, uh, like you you need to pay attention to the dialogue and this there was a lot of dialogue in it and there it was just it was really really really really awesome to see, uh it come to life.

26:32 And because I can kind of see where it was going, you know, there was obviously some inspiration from Roswell, uh like where the site is. But where did you get the idea for uh, like, the the alien because you went with a certain a certain arc type, not the not the typical and and and I'm very curious as to why you went with the different, right unique take on on the alien situation and what it is versus you know what the main grays are, right, Yeah, and we don't we don't want to totally spoil what that is, but we can.

27:15 Yeah, I would say, like you know, it came back to the word foil, right, and we we what really unlocked the script for us was thinking about different meanings of foil. There's the literal memory foil, which is also a Roswell inspired well it's not it's not even just Roswell, Ye, it's Roswell. It's it's Roswell Virginia. So many places I've talked about it. Yeah, uh yeah, So that that's kind of we've, like you said, we've seen that in different stories. There's a literal foil, there's the character foils, and then another one is sort of like foil as sort of like a shiny distraction like a and even like a like a mirage, like a desert mirage.

28:15 And people people that are everyone's representing a false version of themselves in a way, and that sort of informed like how we thought about who people really are, you know, and the idea that there could be you know, there were early drafts of the script where Tom and Rambo were like older versions of us and we were in some kind of time loop and there were different things that at various versions of the script were one thing or another. But in the end, like we came back to the word foil and the different meanings of it and how how does that inform how we treat the the paranormal elements for this?

29:09 Right? Right? I really liked that. That's amazing And when so this obviously is uh there's not a lot of cast, right, So there's there's not a huge cast. How did you select uh the the who you wanted uh to play? Each character? You know, these friends of yours uh or and and other you know, how did that process go?

29:45 Is creating the other characters? So this being a pretty low budget endeavor, there was no casting director in the process, and essentially everyone in the movie except for maybe Eric in the bar, dev is someone that I previously acted with in I was in a couple of feature films in Austin before I came out for college, and in the first couple of years I was in college, just like really lucked out with a guy there. I always want to shout him out, Brian Poyser, who's like this really awesome indie filmmaker in Austin.

30:27 Chris Dubeck was the star of the first film that I was in, All Lovers of Hate and should totally check it out. I think it's I still think it's an awesome flick. And then his next movie he also cast me in and I played a stoner roommate with Brian mc rambo. Oh god if I cannot wait for that because love and their sex. Yeah.

30:55 My other roommate in the film is Zach Kreigor, who you know he directed? Yeah, yeah, did that's the Barbarian Barbarian? Yeah, thank you? Yeah, So me and him and Craiger were stoner roommates in that one. And Ashley Ray Spillers who's Gina in the bar seeing the Carvey scene shoes in that and then everyone else, uh Felix at the video store,

31:26 the manager Jasmine who plays Bonnie Jonkers, so I bump into at the store. Those are all just those are actually folks they met out here in l A through just a long I went on like a long five six year journey of stand up improv through Groundlings and UCB and Second City networking. Yeah, yeah, just kind of you know, and I'm not the best at it. I'm I'm kind of a terrible networker. But there are a few folks that stuck that were patient with me as like a reclusive member of that community and that yeah Arian Jazz and are two like uh, well yeah, no, I wish I wish I had that.

32:06 I wish I had more people that were willing to act around me. I should also say too, that we it. We benefited also from it being again lockdown, so everyone that we called was like, yeah, you're you're shooting now, and like it's like, what do you mean, it's the best time to shoot. No one's doing anything, no one's out. But also it was great that, uh that Zach knew all these actors, because to ask people to come out, well, the other guy to the desert in those conditions for two weeks was knowing it would be a brutal shoot.

32:42 Like having that trust and experience with Zach was important, I think, and it just made things a lot easier when we were actually out there shooting because there was a level of comfort with Zach that already existed. I think that was important. But yeah, that I mean, and Zach had the instinct for Rambo is Brian and and Thomas Chris and uh, just really good casting in Stincs the whole way. Uh on Zach's part. Yeah, gentlemen, can you hold on one second? Yep, my computer, I forgot my charger isn't plugged in again.

33:31 M O, I forget that recorded. Good thing. I can end it out. It's a good thing about you're recording it. I love stream Yard.

34:04 So I'm sorry now I lost my train of thought. God damn it. Yeah, we were discussing the cast well and also too like that that does tie into what's always kind of we keep coming back to what a nice yin Yang situation Devin and I have in so many ways, but one of another of which being that, Yeah, my experience up to that point was mostly in production at school, so that helped us, you know, that was how we found our DP and and then also the acting production experience led to the cast. But I didn't have much production or you know, post production experience, or at least not in that world.

34:43 Didn't know a lot of people in that world. And that's where dev that's his bread and butter and where he's been you know, working for many years. And you know that's when he got to step in and plug people into positions and in ways that I wouldn't have had any kind of rolodex too, right, you know, which is great. It was like we we covered each other's lind spots well in a lot of ways, right right. And so the the guy who plays Tom, I'm blanking on his name right now. Uh, he was amazing, uh, as well as the the other gentleman, the tall lanky guy Rambo.

35:29 So he blew me away actually, so yeah, because no, he I don't even know what it was it was about him, but like he reminded me of somebody and uh, it was just his character was like it was so like, I don't know it. It really really was just such a good performance because you didn't know whether to hate or love the guy, uh, like because he's kind of like dopey in that sense, like he's very literal. Uh, and you know, I kind of saw the way something something coming, and you know, I'm glad, I'm glad that the story that went away that it did.

36:21 Uh. And I'm really I'm really really glad that, uh, those that they were able to to bring U life to those to those scenes because those were very, very very How did you pull those off? Because there's limited, very limited VFX. The VFX was you know, we there certainly was a lot of VFX, but there was also a lot of times that where we went in to shoot or at least we're very close to shooting, assuming we were going to do VFX for things that we've managed to figure out how to do practically that I think saved us a lot of headache and post.

37:02 Really have to shout out Jordan Black, the DP of the film, because he's just like a tinkerer and very savvy on just like what if we just you know, use this thing that's used for some total heather purpose for this and he's he figured out how to make the spinning practical. He figured out how to make the whole gag with lighting the bonfire a practical gag. He you know that that like saved a lot for us. Yeah, the foil unfolding is practical. You know that was practical. Yeah, well the foil does that foil that we had does unfold itself, and and we did speed it up and post, but you know we did stuff with with lights like blue lights shining across it, and uh, we actually picked up that shot in the driveway.

38:00 After the shoot, we we shot it out there in the desert, a version of it, and then we realized we can make it a little better, and we brought dirt from the desert, uh and just re reshot that and and Zack's drive away until it it felt right, made a little sandbox in the driveway. Yeah, wow, wow, that's how did you end up? How did you make that work with the foil? Then? Yeah, it's it's just like so so so so is it something you can is there already something online like similar where you can buy it where it like unfolds

38:42 and then you that's when you just sped it up. It was a product on our production designer Adele understood that because we discussed that it really can't be just kitchen foiled. There needs to be something about the sine to it, right that would indicate and enough to the audience that it's interesting. Yeah, but not fully one giving away that it that it is something you know of note, but right, because there needs to be that deniability for Zach exactly. So she we kept returning to like prisms and like CD ROMs and like you know, that kind of sheen to it.

39:22 And sure enough she found. I think it was really like an adhesive thing. It was like a double sided adhesive paper that you're supposed to peel off and stick to stuff. But if you didn't peel it and just kept both sides and crumpled it, something about like the glue that was in there that was keeping it together did give it a little bit of memory to it, so that when you know, as long as you didn't fold it too dense, too hard to crumple and let it go, it would it would you know, not all the way back to fully smooth, but pretty darn close.

39:57 I mean, right, that's that's that's that's amazing because and that's what I love is like the ingenuity of uh these these you know, because these productions don't have the Marvel budgets, right obviously, but you but you made it look very very, very very It's just like I said, it's very well done, and it's it's very well presented in it in its nature, and you know, I love a lot of the contrast and uh not just not not just between the characters, but between the the the the story itself, uh, the UFO history and what's real, what's not right?

40:51 Because you're pulling from actual quote unquote, actual events. So it was really really a fun, fun, a fun movie for me to watch, and I really I really loved your guys. Any plans for like a next project that you know has to do with this topic. We're kicking some ideas around for the next thing. We definitely really like living in the genre space. The you know midnight movie audience, I think is one that we're attracted to. Definitely wouldn't rule out returning to sci fi or you know UFO alien related.

41:36 Well, there's a yeah, there's a huge demand for it, man, there's there's there's a huge demand for it, and especially good uh well told stories like yours that use that that that that actual history, that actual Yeah, we wanted to do right by the by people who really understand that stuff. We didn't want, like Dev said, like there's plenty of gags in this movie, but that we did not want that to be a gag. Yeah, there's there's a lot of easter eggs for the really well versed UFO Got Upologist and to the general audience, they can still understand the film without knowing the references because it tells itself.

42:22 But we definitely wanted to pass the small test of people like you seriously about this stuff and know know the history and know the cases, and so I'm glad that. Well that's what impressed me is Yeah, that's what that like. You know, that's a back bag on Zach's character. But you know, uh, you know, Devin, Devin, your character was definitely you know, uh who I who I was obviously drawn to. And you know, just uh you you said you didn't you don't act much, right, so you know, was this a challenge for you to be on screen again and to bring a character to life that was going to I mean, because if you blew it, you would have blown it, right.

43:16 Yeah, Yeah, I mean I had acted, I'd only acted in short films, and you know, going back to college, I did study a little bit of acting and had done some various classes after college out in LA but I had never been on a shoot for more than a day as an actor. And knowing that I was going to be in scenes or primarily with someone like Chris Dubeck, who's such as seasoned veteran and like such a pro, yeah I was. I think I was a little intimidated going in. But you know, we quickly realized like we we really just kind of of hit it off pretty quickly, and I was comfortable with him.

44:01 But a lot of it was just like understanding the process and that like we're we're not running one hundred meters sprint, like this is a marathon, Like this is gonna be over two weeks, and I think I really just tried to observe how Zach and Brian and Chris went about it and try to try to follow their leads, because you know, it was it was unfamiliar territory for me in terms of stepping out, stepping up as a as an actor who's doing more than than than one day or he really just one scene, uh, because the side down, we're essentially one scene.

44:44 So this was definitely more than I had ever taken on. So well, I think you nailed it, man, I think you did. I think you nailed it.

44:57 You're you're very authentic in nature and in just your your nature, so uh, definitely definitely a credit to you. And Uh, Zach, God, I hated your character, uh in a good way, in a good way. Uh, You're you're such a pastor to me. I was just like, I can't wait for this guy to figure out, uh, what's really going on because you know he needs it. Uh. And you really, you really brought that uh frustration uh to screen and you dialed it in man, like you're giving me anxiety at one point. So how did you how did you go about doing that?

45:43 How did I get tapped into that? Well? You know, honestly, it probably comes a lot from just being growing up a middle child. Being very much a diplomat and a mediator is socially familiarly on set as director. You know, I would say to Devn like directing is a lot like politics, Like you are the face of a thing. You're always moving forward, You're always putting a positive spin. You can't ever dwell. You have to. You know that there's so much the image of you know, everyone's looking to you, and you can't falter in that.

46:22 So, you know, in a way, weird way, I think playing Dexter was a nice outlet to then as soon as you say action become a little whiny little ship, you know, until we say cut and then go back to you know, leading the thing. Yeah it was it was, it was done. It was done really really well. And yeah, yeah, so like I said, guys, I really I really love this film and uh, I uh what what? Where can people find you guys? On social media and stuff like that. I wish I was a better poster. But you can find me at the Big Underscore Green, The Big the Big Green, and uh I have a website teamsatgreen dot com where you can see I've got the short that the Devin I did on there, a couple of other projects and whatnot.

47:15 Those are those are probably the best spots to find me. Yeah, and so more so is more of your work, folks, like on there for people to view? Is it on YouTube? You know? There's a college project sequence. I'm kind of proud of another kind of weird splattergore rock opera horror film that I made. I love that it's on there. It's called Mooseman. It's about a moose monster, all practical effects stuff. It's very silly and weird. You can watch a piece of that on there. I do a lot of voiceover work. You links to my voiceover demos and you can hear the you know, wacky weird voices I do.

47:56 I think some of my stand ups on there. Yeah, just to anything that it feels like you know, Hey, if you want to check out my stuff, it's represented on some level at Teamsatgreen dot com. Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome and uh Devin, Devin uh Man. Where could people find uh find more of you? Uh? My handle across social media is at hey, uncle Dev, and it's mostly you know these days foil and uh a lot of golf, a lot of golf stuff. I'm kind of a golf nut, so uh be prepared for that. Yeah, well you guys, yeah yeah, at foil movie and foilmovie dot com.

48:41 It's out now on on Amazon Prime and uh and Apple TV. Mm hmm awesome. And like I said, personally, I can't recommend it enough. I I I I was blown away, uh with you know, because I wasn't. It's not it's not to your It's again, this is not speaking to your filmmaking or your experience. But I went into it not expecting much and I came out of it like, I am so happy that I watched that because it was really fun, it was upbeat, but it also, uh you know, had those nods for the UFO people like me and the people who take it seriously.

49:29 So I think you guys did a wonderful job of blending those two two worlds, uh, the comedic and the you know, actual, the actual UFO history. And you know, I just absolutely uh I give it. So what I do is I give it a score. I literally have a sheet that I do. And you guys, I think hit uh seven point eight out of ten, so uh, you know, which is a really high score for me. Uh, really really high. Avengers endgame. Uh, I think only had like a nine point one, so uh, don't worry. Uh seven point is a great, great score.

50:18 Uh you guys, Yeah, no, you guys did great. Uh. And I am personally going to recommend this to, like I said, everybody, uh and and and really really would love to help get this scene by more people. Uh it's out right now, like I said, Uh, anyone who has an iPhone, you get like a year of Apple TV for free, and uh you know it's oh it's not on there. You you have to purchase it right now, right you can rent it or buy it throughout okay prime, Yeah, okay, all right, yeah, so right now it's rentable and then it will probably end up on a streaming service.

50:57 But yeah, so head over there. I did support them, and uh support everything they're doing, guys, because it is absolutely tremendous. Thank you gentlemen for being here. Thanks, this was awesome. Man. Like I said, reach out to me, you know, stick around after the credits roll and uh we'll talk for a second. But I would love to uh uh you know, uh have you back on for future projects, uh, especially if they're genres you know related. Would love to thank you. Yeah, all right, all right, time set a baby and the Times second and yeah,