The Dark Corners Of UFOlogy- Walter Kirn on UFO whistleblower David Grusch

1:11 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the show. Everybody.

1:16 Speaker 2: I did this kind of impromptu wasn't gonna go live because tomorrow is the holiday. But there was a couple of things that kind of like caught my attention today that I think I just wanted to discuss real quick.

1:31 Speaker 1: And then, you know, wish.

1:33 Speaker 2: Everybody applidy happy holiday. If you are in the US and you do celebrate, definitely want to, you know, show some support and show some love and special thanks to everyone who supports the show and whether it be monetarily sharing clips. We have some great episodes that are being filmed over the next.

1:53 Speaker 1: Couple of weeks.

1:54 Speaker 2: So we'll be taken this week off, or I'll be taking this week off, I should say, and next week the podcast will kick back up. I just released part two of the uapp d episode, and then there'll be a lull this week and then next week got something really cool for you. So with that being said, I I got that I recorded this video. So there's two videos I want to play and then I want to talk about. Because age of disclosure, obviously I put my review out for it. You know, Dan Farra, I think did a great job.

2:33 Speaker 2: He made a really, really serious film involving UAP and the intelligence community and legacy UFO programs and public UFO programs like Asapp. Even though they didn't really specifically talk about as APP, they did talk about a tip, which you know, it's if you know, if you if you're not going to try to get too caught up in the details. I think that's what is happening right now on the like, if you're heavily involved at the UFO community and you're tapped into it and you have your pulse on what the general consensus is, it's kind of weird.

3:18 Speaker 2: I've never seen a film like this divide like it has now. I'm not saying it was perfect, nor am I saying it's the end all be all. However, it's definitely sparked interest. I mean, it is number one. Last time I checked, it was number one on Amazon. I don't I mean, I don't know what the ratings are. They don't really release those numbers when it's you know, straight to streaming, so we may never know how many people actually or households actually rented it. I'd be interested to definitely see the figures and compared to other films like The Phenomenon, and unacknowledged, you know, with their releases.

4:07 Speaker 2: I think that would be interesting to see how many you know, people are paying attention now that maybe weren't back then, or are just getting into it now because congressional hearings and all that. You know, say what you want. But and then the topics progressed. Whether that's a good thing, the topic has progressed, I don't think anyone could argue that the topic has not become less stigmatized. I think there's more people with adding opinions. You know, there's more streamers the Internet, there's more podcasters, there's more opinions.

4:48 Speaker 2: And with with the attracted distigmatization that's happened post let's say two thousand and four, like two thousand and one to twenty seventeen, and then twenty seventeen and onward, twenty seventeen onward, much different story. The New York Times article, as flawed as I think it is, it has changed the subject. There's no doubt about it that the domino that that tipped over was a domino that was much needed. And you know, I think again, I think a lot of the division is happening now because we're so far past like and I this sounds kind of this sounds selfish when I even think it, so I can't imagine how it sounds to someone who might be on the outside looking in.

5:48 Speaker 2: But it's kind of like, we're over the stories. And I'm a podcaster, I interview people, I facilitate stories, so I'm not specifically tired of the stories.

5:59 Speaker 1: But it seems that.

6:02 Speaker 2: A lot of people like they're ready for the next level, whatever that is, whether it's physical evidence, you know, whether it's carding out a body or you know, biologics and then having them like whatever the next step is. They that's all they want, that they're they're tired of the I'd have to speak about that in a skiff mentality and.

6:25 Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough.

6:27 Speaker 2: I however, I'm a story guy. I like to hear stories. I give benefit people benefit of the doubt. I understand that disclosure. Disclosure is complicated, and you know, we're dealing with some of the most existential topics there are. To think the process would be anything but slow, Uh, would be naive unless you know, something shows up tomorrow above the White House, and even then we might not hear about it. Right. Uh, you know they've done that before technically two weekends in a row. And then you know, actually Age of disclosure brought up this case about the Bush residents and how you know there was a U A p on caught on radar, caught on multiple sensory systems that was over the residence of the you know, George Bush and his cabin or not cabin maybe it's not, maybe it wasn't, but his residence in Texas and UH jets were scrambled, and you know when they when asked about it, they were, you know, couldn't say anything.

7:36 Speaker 2: We signed NDA's so you know, they they for lack of a better term, they've tried, you know, to see the president.

7:44 Speaker 1: Maybe they haven't.

7:45 Speaker 2: You know, some of the lower people would know, you know, meetings at Holloman Air Force Base and the Eisenhower Palm Springs disappearance where he was at the dentist but journalists were saying he was dead. And you know, the deeper you are down the rabbit hole, the more stories you know, the more UH you know, the more you start connecting like JFK to UFOs somehow That's how I measure, That's how I measure people. How far do you think JFK had anything to do with UFOs, and that's that's how I judge where they are in the topic.

8:22 Speaker 2: So anyway, there's a video I want to play. This is Chris Millen. He put this out in response to Age of Disclosure. By the way, not a lot of a lot of people aren't happy. Some of the a lot of people in the film that like Salads, Robert Salace, I know, Bob Jacobs, Mario Woods.

8:43 Speaker 1: Some of the witnesses are upset that they they got.

8:46 Speaker 2: Okay, again, I'm not saying anything bad here, but Bob Salas got thirty four seconds of screen time.

8:54 Speaker 1: What the fuck? What the fuck? Like, that's crazy, that thirty four seconds. I don't know.

9:04 Speaker 2: That's the that's the that's the it's crazy. That's crazy to me anyway. So this is Chris Mellan speaking to Congress.

9:13 Speaker 1: It sounds like.

9:17 Speaker 2: In the new.

9:17 Speaker 3: UAP documentary Age of Disclosure, we learned that the Air Force had a secret program to track UAP in the vicinity of Area fifty one and other sensitive military facilities in the nineteen nineties. This report comes from none other than General James Clapper, former Director of US Air Force Intelligence. A former Director of National Intelligence.

9:43 Speaker 2: Before before we get into this further, like I said, I do want to say happy holidays to everybody and without this community. I know, like people give it a bad rap sometimes, like you know, they always want to see the bad and everything. But I find that that this community love it or hate it, hate or love it skeptical, skeptical, debunker or die hard believer. Right, I am grateful this year and for for all years. I am grateful that there's a community where I can come and I can exchange ideas with people that are like minded, right, that don't like, for instance, I think a lot of us in the UFO field, like during the holidays especially right, it's kind of weird because like if you're known and in the family as like the UFO guy, like you're always going to be known as the UFO guy.

10:42 Speaker 1: And there's something about that.

10:43 Speaker 2: That's it's it's almost like it's for for me, it's a badge of honor, but for some reason it's for some people to scarlet letter. And you know, just remember that. I think history will will favor the favor.

10:58 Speaker 1: The people.

11:01 Speaker 2: That allowed for the thinking that something that that humans aren't the top of the food chain. Right, it's not to say that, you know, we are less than I don't like that route. When, like the can they compare humanity as like an ant hill to an alien species as an alien species, and we're just the ant hill. I think that is a crude analogy and and and I.

11:27 Speaker 1: Think it really like it does.

11:30 Speaker 2: It does a disservice to humanity because we have done some of we've done amazing things and the fact that we're here, uh, you know, we we've made a lot of mistakes too. But I think history will be will look kindly on those who who dared to ask the questions. So you know, we're all in it together at the end of the day.

11:56 Speaker 1: How do I play it now?

11:58 Speaker 3: That's sure? Air Force, you ain't pre d program continue to this day? Where's the data? What did the Air Force learn? Moreover, why is it that when Congress asked the services for UAP information in their possession in the twenty twenty Intelligence Authorization Bill, the Air Force denied having any pritent information other than a handful of very recent innocuous reports submitted after DoD guidance was finally issued in twenty twenty, requiring all military components to report UAP sidings. In my view, the Air Force brass treat Congress with contempt, even if not in a strictly illegal manner.

12:43 Speaker 3: I also believe that the secret Air Force UAP program described by General Clapper or another like it, remains quity active behind the scenes. I say this because it would explain a number of things. For example, why is it that Air Force F twenty two's, despite having greatly superior sensors, did not report UAP operating in DoD training areas off the East coast when Navy F eighteen's were routinely detecting and reporting UAP on the same ranges. Why is it the USS Princeton radar data from the Nimtz case disappeared after US Air Force officers visited the ship.

13:26 Speaker 3: In fact, there are many similar cases where Navy data was removed by US Air Force personnel. Similarly, why are the Knimts decklogs missing for precisely the period of Prieston UAP tracking back in two thousand and four? Why is it the Air Force never reports UAP detected by its strategic radar systems. These solid state phased array radars are believed to be the most powerful emitters on the planet. Yet, despite their massive range and constant covering, even when UAP are detected operating for days directly in front of these powerful admitters, the Air Force fails to issue at EUAP reports.

14:11 Speaker 3: Why is it that none of the innumerable nor AT UAP intercept cases from recent decades were submitted with the twenty twenty one UAP report to Congress, including.

14:22 Speaker 1: The famous UAP case over.

14:24 Speaker 3: The Bush Ranch in Texas where f sixteen pilots were made to signed NDAs by the Air Force.

14:31 Speaker 1: Well maybe that's where I heard.

14:32 Speaker 3: As recently as last year, the Air Force was still refusing to provide nor AT UAP intercept data to dods All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office in Congress. Why are the no reports of UAP and space despite a massive US Air Force base availance capability. Why is it the US that the Air Force seized Navy sonar data obtained after an encounter by a US nuclear submarine with the underwater UAP. In some I believe the Air Force is treating Congress contemptuously when it comes to dodging formal Congressional requests for Air Force UAP data.

15:11 Speaker 3: It seems likely the Air Force has either carefully marshaled all of its UAP data into an obscure, highly secret quote waves special access program that even the tiered ranking members of the intelligence committees are not cleared for, or that the Air Force is using Atomic Energy Act or other authorities justifying concealing this UAP information. For example, the Air Force might claim they are merely the executive agent for CIA or the National Nuclear Security Agency, and that reporting of this data is therefore not their responsibility.

15:51 Speaker 3: Their counterpart agency might claim the reverse, leaving Congress uninformed, as the quote deep state exploits a fish in the current Congressional Military and Intelligence before you framework.

16:08 Speaker 1: So that is that? Is that?

16:12 Speaker 2: So? I think now Chris Mellan is someone that you know, I think, I know, I have a lot of respect for Chris Mellan, I do, I think. I mean, it's tough to kind of say like this, but a man with his wealth and means to be invested in the topic as such. I mean, you could say he's making money up. I don't know if he is. I don't think he is. He seems genuine enough to me. I mean, could it be that he's still in the pocket of the government, probably right to some degree, probably same with the other guys.

16:57 Speaker 2: Honestly, it's not a not a big deal, not a big I mean, you.

17:03 Speaker 1: Just got to know that.

17:05 Speaker 2: As long as you know it and you can work within the confines of the truth, then I think it's fine.

17:13 Speaker 1: You know, I think we've.

17:14 Speaker 2: Always wanted more people involved, So when it actually starts to happen, I don't think we can start slamming the door, right.

17:25 Speaker 1: And that's where I get caught up.

17:27 Speaker 2: You know, for years and years and years, we've begged the government to get involved. We've begged people with credentials to get involved, and now that they have, we call them grifters or gatekeepers. And I listen, some of them are, some of them are fair enough. I just think that we need to be a little bit more non combative, call out the bullshit. Of course, of course, I just think. You know, watching the reception to Age of Disclosure, it's got me. It's got me worried, honestly, honestly, it's got me worried.

18:02 Speaker 2: But speaking of disclosure, I kept seeing a clip get shared. I don't know who this gentleman is, Walter Kim, but he showed up on Megan Kelly and Megan Kelly's like, you know, her and Candace Owens are arguably her. Candace and Tucker are arguably probably the biggest platforms out there right now, you know, other than Rogan and that. So this is, you know, this is where advancement happens, right getting those people talking about it. So I found this to be very interesting. And he talks about Grush and knowing him, and so Walter, if I forgive me, I'm gonna share the video first and get that going, and then I'll stop it and.

18:58 Speaker 1: I'll go over who he is. I'll be sure that real quick. Oh man, this is why I needed Young Jamie.

19:13 Speaker 1: Young Jamie, pull it up. Oh there it is. Thank you, Young Jamie. I'm just kidding. Thank you. Tyler. Uh.

19:23 Speaker 2: By the way, before I start this, I keep hearing foots. I know this sounds like so cliche, but I live on the first floor in my main house. The studio is above my garage I live. I've lived on the first floor for the past couple of years too, because we just moved here like about a year ago. But before that, I was at I was at another place and I was on the first floor, so I kind of got used to the footsteps like above me. Anyone who lives on the first floor in like a double family, multiple family house, you'll know this, sound like people walking above you.

19:59 Speaker 2: I mean, God forbid, if you live in an house with a second floor, you'll know this. So I live in the first floor in the main house. And how for a while, and even before that, when I was in Summerville at the original studio and house, I was in the basement. So I've grown so accustomed to like hearing people walk above me. There's no one above me in the studio. And I realize now since the day that I bought this place, I've been hearing footsteps above me in the studio. There's no one above me. I got so used to it that it just sounded normal.

20:41 Speaker 2: I swear to God, I swear on anything. I'm not just making this up to sound like oh, because the paariranormal is kind of like my line in the sand.

20:51 Speaker 1: But I think it's just an animal, of course.

20:55 Speaker 2: But I can now recall multiple times where I heard like someone walking across the and I'll bring the camera up there. I'll show you there's nothing above me. There's a little attic, but it's not like it's got to finished floor or anything like that. It's like one of those ones you can push up through and then it's like beamed out and it's it's only like two feet tall or three feet tall.

21:22 Speaker 1: So I've heard fucking footsteps up there.

21:25 Speaker 2: Man. I've been freaking out lately because I'm like, dude, I spend way too much time in here.

21:31 Speaker 1: I don't need this.

21:31 Speaker 2: So if there is something with me, like, I want this to be on air too. I am saying, if there is anything here, we can happily coexist.

21:44 Speaker 1: Happily. I will not bother you. Just please don't scare the shit out of me.

21:51 Speaker 4: It's just my feet or is this coming up in your your social media and like your life more these days, I can't hear any No, it's just me. Okay, But I'm in new and I talked to Walter, so that's what's happening, well.

22:03 Speaker 1: My old there over on Fox News. Just in this interview.

22:06 Speaker 4: Okay, Yes, we like Brett and he interviewed like the god of UAPs.

22:13 Speaker 1: You guys what you should be called UFOs. Yes, we've gotten up.

22:16 Speaker 4: Great former Air Force guy. Just listen to this SoundBite.

22:20 Speaker 1: Watch.

22:21 Speaker 5: I don't like to characterize necessarily where they came from. There are definitely some kind of non human sentience, but it is true, believe it or not. We've recovered the vehicles and we actually have physical proof, and I was actually partially cleared into some of those activities. It was beyond the oral testimony provided to me. I actually had partial access to the data and actually read the intelligence reports resulting from those programs with your own eyes.

22:48 Speaker 4: Yes, all right, Now that's extraordinary because my understanding is this is not some kook.

22:55 Speaker 1: There's not some crackpot.

22:55 Speaker 4: This is a former Air Force and he's saying he actually saw the vehicles and some sort of non sentient being.

23:03 Speaker 6: No sentient beings, er Jasmine Crockett sent sentient beings have awareness.

23:12 Speaker 4: And thought, oh my god, but this is something you've been reporting on, you've been paying attention to.

23:17 Speaker 6: So in the in the spirit of Charlie Kirk, I decided I would do nothing but tell the truth when I came out here tonight. I was invited to be on his show a couple of months before he died, and I declined that should give everybody pause. Take every opportunity to have with good people, because they might not be around forever.

23:38 Speaker 4: Uh.

23:39 Speaker 6: Dave Brush is a friend of mine and he's a source, and I've known him for three years. I was texting him in the green room. I said, what can I tell Megan's audience? He said, the problem with the aliens is that we care a lot about them that they don't care a lot about us.

23:57 Speaker 1: In other words, I find it hard to believe, he said, aliens.

24:00 Speaker 6: Still exploring this universe. The gorilla was only discovered in the middle of the nineteenth century. It was a it was a mythical being that they finally discovered in the jungle. They found bodies and so on. I'm convinced, and I hate to tell you this, that Dave is telling the truth, and that against great pressure and great mockery, he's trying to describe our actual world to us. It's a world in which we have not made all the discoveries yet. Now. He often compares them to mountain lions. He says, do you believe in mountain lions?

24:35 Speaker 6: Everybody would say, yes, right, how many of you actually seen one?

24:39 Speaker 1: I have seen one, You've seen one?

24:42 Speaker 6: Okay, well, ugly I am. I am convinced that this isn't a syop that this isn't what conspiracy theorists called Project Bluebeam, an attempt to dazzle us all with a false god that will bring us all under you know, slavery of some sort of world government. I think that very rarely, but somewhat commonly over the years, going back through human history, we have been visited by beings of other types. It's a big universe. When we barely understand we're very young, we're going to learn about I can promise you this, We're going to learn more about this.

25:24 Speaker 6: And in the same interview he tells you that Donald Trump knows a lot about it. That's my information too. If you know anything about Donald Trump, he can't. He will not avoid bragging about what he knows before he So I expect him to be the president who tells us what we haven't heard.

25:45 Speaker 4: So what can you just like outline it for us more clearly, Like what exactly is he telling you?

25:51 Speaker 1: They've seen, They've.

25:53 Speaker 6: Recovered craft that have crashed. Some of those craft have fought each other. In other words, people say, how could they crash they come across the universe. Well, we're not so sure they'd come all that far. Frankly, We're not so sure. They don't have places nearby to come visit. They're a little bit like gardeners from the descriptions of the people I've had as sources. They check on the garden every once in a while, but they have their own business, They have their own family fights, they have their own voyages.

26:25 Speaker 6: Now what he's talking about are actual bodies on the ground. I imagine there's going to be a day where you're going to sit down in front of your television and people who you trust, scientists, politicians, ones who don't necessarily agree with each other on everything, but do agree on something like the truth will bring forward the evidence. You will be convinced. It will not rock your world. If you're a religious person, you can handle it. If you've read the Bible, there are all sorts of creatures in there who aren't explained.

26:57 Speaker 6: If you believe that these are a demonic presence, I don't think they are any more than certain animals are. But you know, there was a time when we thought we were alone in the universe, almost as a planet, that the Sun revolved around us and so on. We survived that, We survived the revelation that it was the other way around. We'll survive this. It'll be interesting, kids will be more interested in science. I think our universe will light up for us again. They've kept it to themselves for I think obvious reasons.

27:31 Speaker 6: And I spoke to someone just recently. I said, how should they first disclose this? And he said they should take the craft that they've reverse engineered that have capacities that you and I don't know about, and fly them over Phoenix. They've done that, and in fact that happened because the Phoenix Lights is one of the great UFO scares of all time if you know about it. So I pretict that's going to happen. And I don't think it's going to be all that long. And I don't and I think after all the movies and all the you know, pop culture, we're not going to be all that shocked by it.

28:05 Speaker 6: I think we'll integrate it and it's not going to destroy our civilization to find out.

28:11 Speaker 4: I have an idea for them to integrate into the United States in a way and the world the Earth. That's going to make everybody really happy. It's going to make things non controversial. People are going to be in favor of their addition to our wave of life. They just have to start by grabbing one of us. I nominate Elizabeth Warren. Just you take her, She's gone.

28:30 Speaker 1: I'm in masths.

28:31 Speaker 4: She probably was part of that Hope tribe at your high school, and we can all get behind that idea.

28:38 Speaker 1: Another unifier.

28:39 Speaker 6: The problem with if Trump announces that, the liberals won't believe him.

28:43 Speaker 1: I mean, I've said that too.

28:45 Speaker 6: Trump could lay out absolute proof of this thing and half of the people wouldn't believe it, just like you know, they went and grabbed tile and all the minute it seemed like he was against it.

28:56 Speaker 1: My friend just lost her ring. She went to replace it. She realized it was a gold ring.

29:00 Speaker 4: At the price of it has gone up like.

29:03 Speaker 1: Since you bought the ring a year ago.

29:05 Speaker 2: That's because okay, so that's the end of that. Then,

29:10 Speaker 2: I think, uh, what he says is mainly on point. Uh, mainly on point.

29:17 Speaker 3: You know.

29:17 Speaker 2: I think I he said Grush said the aliens. I I I have.

29:26 Speaker 3: Not heard.

29:28 Speaker 2: Him once in any interview in any like claim that it was anything specific. So unless he privately says that, I just I feel like that would have come out. There is some backlage, like there is another side. Uh, someone that that was pretty big in the in the UFO community.

29:55 Speaker 1: The community. Uh, they're like the.

29:56 Speaker 2: Research community and the podcasting community.

29:59 Speaker 1: Uh.

30:00 Speaker 2: This you'll know his ex account by tiny Klaus. Interestingly enough, I looked, I went to see if I could message Gary Nolan, and I opened him his page up on X and turns out I'm blocked.

30:21 Speaker 1: I don't know why.

30:25 Speaker 2: I mean, it could be something I said, but I don't know Klaus's.

30:31 Speaker 1: And the reason I bring that up in the first place is not to be.

30:34 Speaker 7: Like, oh poor me unblocked by Gary Nolan, but like I respect Gary, I've only ever said positive things about him, So I just don't understand why it's I mean, is it is what it is.

30:45 Speaker 1: One day, if I ever see him in person, I'll bring it up to him.

30:48 Speaker 2: I'll say, hey, you know, like maybe we could talk this out or and if my chance he sees this on X or something.

30:55 Speaker 1: You know, just know that, like I really do we need It's not it's not even that.

31:06 Speaker 2: We deserve, but we need people like Gary in the field. People have said that he's uh, you know, there's these like limited hangouts on Signal and and other you know platforms, discord or whatever it is. I don't know, but I mean that's always that's always happening. One recent one that I did see, ah, and like I said, was was Klaus saying that he was essentially like there's just like a weird, weird story and and I'm not sure what to think about it. I mean, here's some of the stuff that he was saying, is like this so closest saying and closest known as a pretty respectable person.

31:51 Speaker 2: So like when he when he's saying this, I'm I'm a little taken aback by it because he's going like against the Grush narrative, against the Gary Nolan's.

31:59 Speaker 1: Of the world, and the whole limited hangout of that.

32:02 Speaker 2: If that is a thing, I don't know, but yeah, I really don't understand what's happening with it. But there is a dark side to ufology and fast like the factionalization of the topic. And I've seen this before like the movie community, even just in the subset of the comic book movie industry, Like that's the thing, Like there was factions between DC like the snipe. If anyone knows Zack Snyder and the story that happened with him in Justice League, and you know how after his daughter died, you know, Warner Brothers kind of like used that as an excuse to do like a What they wanted was something more like the Marvel Cinematic universe, something that was bright, it was colorful, it was quippie, and it made money, and Snyder very much was dark.

32:55 Speaker 2: If anyone's ever watched three hundred or any of Zach's films, there's a lot of Watchmen.

33:08 Speaker 1: He got the job because of Watchmen.

33:09 Speaker 2: But there was factions even in that community, like so DC like as a as a brand, there was factions in that most people know the factions of, like the Star Wars community. So for me, that's what it feels like. It's just a little bit more like real life, like

33:27 Speaker 2: we So, I really don't I don't want to go too far into it. I did want to bring it up because close close to saying that like it's all a syop, and a lot of people have been saying that lately, like it's all a syop, Like this whole thing, not the UFOs themselves, not that they exist, but the controlled disclosure that's happened since twenty seventeen. I think a lot of people are talking about this because Age of Disclosure has reignited some sort of spark up everyone's ass apparently, skeptics and believers and all they're just you know, fully at each other's throats right now.

34:08 Speaker 2: And I mean, it is what it is. I I didn't expect it to be this way, but it is. It is this way, and it concerns me. So I think we need to step back. I think a lot of people need to step back and take a take a break, disconnect, Like go throw axes at a tree in the woods, you know, go do whatever whatever you do. Take some of this time and during the holiday season if you live in the US, or the holiday season that we're about to approach in December, and and you know, reflect, and you know, we only have a finite amount of time on this earth that we are aware of.

34:49 Speaker 2: So do we really want to spend it like yelling at each other on X I don't know. I don't know, guys, but but this guy is saying what this Walter guy is saying on Megan Kelly. I like to see the topic spreading to those kinds of shows. As I said before, those kinds of Megan Kelly, the Candae Owens, whether you hate them or love them, they have the biggest reach right now. So you know those shows talking about this and you know, talking about Trump and talking about how they can.

35:22 Speaker 1: See him being that president.

35:25 Speaker 2: We've I talked about this last episode, that last live show that he has a you know, the the stage kind of is set right now and there's whisper whispers of a presidential you know investigation, uh advisory committee or whatever it is UH to investigate you aps. And who knows, maybe maybe Trump will come out to the podium and uh say, you know, we're not alone. He will not say, my fellow Americans, It's not going to start like that like Nick Pope would have you believe, you know, in every documentary, it's it's gonna be more like in someone needs to do this with AI.

36:17 Speaker 1: Just thinking of its making me fucking laugh.

36:21 Speaker 2: But like trump disclosure scenario where where he's just like unfiltered and Trump like in his voice. I can't do the I can't imitate him, but a lot of people can. But picture like disclosure in Trump's voice, Like that's the disclosure right this, I think anytime like anyone's ever mentioned disclosure being like, you know, the president's stepping up to the podium.

36:44 Speaker 1: They think of like.

36:45 Speaker 2: JFK stepping up to the podium or Ronald Reagan. Right, these people who who have just pure grace when they speak. Even Barack Obama, everyone knows that guy was slick. He was slick when he got to the podium. So you could see that, my fellow Americans, you know that the addressing the nation at its core, right, Trump.

37:10 Speaker 1: Doesn't do that.

37:12 Speaker 2: He just walks out like he owns the fucking place and it just starts talking. He didn't no preamble, no intro, right into the middle of the conversation and you know, and we're off and running. So someone I will pay twenty dollars if someone makes me that clip and sends it to me privately so I can, uh, I can share that because I do not know how to use AI like that. But seriously, I wanted to make this a quick show. Let me know what you guys think. Do you do you think David Grush is the real deal?

37:48 Speaker 2: I think he's the real deal. I think a lot of people are, you know, they're they're torn. I think there's been a lot of disinformation. One thing I will agree with age of disclue is that there is some sort of operation that is infiltrated, whether it's this topic or just like media in general, and they're just catching it. You know, there is a campaign to actively kind of like try to put the lid back on this as much as they can, right, whether it's you know, leaking PTSD files or discrediting.

38:32 Speaker 1: People or silencing them.

38:34 Speaker 2: I'm a firm believer that that is actively happening, and that there is active recovery programs, crash retrieval programs that are operating without oversight. They have their own fundraising mechanisms, the answer to no one but themselves, and they are exploiting that technology. I can't give you all the details because I don't know all the details, but I've seen enough evidence to suggest that, like call it MJ twelve, called the deep state, there is something behind the scenes that They're not the billionaires you hear about, right, They're the ones who control the billionaires you hear about.

39:19 Speaker 2: Think on that, Think on that. I've said it for a long time. The same people that control the epsteins of the world, right, and how that won't come out right?

39:33 Speaker 2: You know, the people that control the diddies and the Epstein's. You don't think those are the same people that are actively covering up free energy, right, same people that would do those atroth the.

39:47 Speaker 1: Most heinous things.

39:52 Speaker 2: And I don't want to get demonetized or dy platform, so I'm not gonna say the words, but you know what I mean, heinous crimes on that island, heinous shit. And you don't think that people that are that are the ones that are getting that information from those people, the ones who are you know, giving them the resources to blackmail the the highest politicians and monarchs and uh uh influential people in every industry. If you don't think that there is a dark side that we don't know about, then you are naive and evil exists and that island is proof of it.

40:44 Speaker 2: So happy Thanksgiving everyone, if you do celebrate Happy holidays. Uh, super super thankful for you guys. Super thankful to people that listen and make the show possible and allow me to uh rent the studio and do all this. We're definitely expanding in capabilities. Uh, we are going to be starting to fly people in. I have a big roster that we're working on right now, talking to guys like Patrick Jackson, the Sphere Network, down to Paul Heineck, Danny Sheen.

41:22 Speaker 1: The list is going to go on and on and on.

41:24 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna bring him into the studio, just like I did with rosan urk av Lobe, even though that episode didn't air. And you know, like the contact of the Desert episodes, I fell in love with the in person. I fell in love with it. I just I really like that. And I don't want to do virtual episodes anymore. I want to feel the energy in the room right. I have the means to do it, and I want to do this show even if I make, if I break even. I don't want money I make. I have my day job. I'm fine, I am good.

41:57 Speaker 2: So I'm here for I'm here for the truth, and the truth to me truly answers everyone, Uh, I'm gonna take a few days off, so enjoy your time with your family, hold them close, tell them you love them. I love you, guys, See you soon.