TOTAL DISCLOSURE PODCAST LIVE: Featuring SAL AMATO

1:32 Speaker 1: Oh boy, does that intro get me fired up every single time? Awesome? I love it. Guys. We're here tonight for Total Disclosure Live, and Tonight's guest is Sal Almato. He is a storyteller, a media pioneer, an actor, a producer, novelist, and one of the rare people whose career has sped and the worlds of entertainment, technology, broadcasting, and digital media for nearly five decades. And from appearing in films and television shows like My Best Friend's Wedding While You Were Sleeping Chicago Fire the Big Leap to becoming one of the earliest innovators in internet, radio and streaming technology, Sal has consistently ahead of the curve.

2:26 Speaker 1: You could argue that what we're doing here originated with what they did in nineteen ninety seven, so today he's bringing those experiences into the world of fiction with his novels. It empowers disclosure from within a story that explores influence, power, perception, the unseen systems operating behind the curtain of modern society. Almost like the Wizard of Oz, you peak behind the curtain and it's not what you thought. Whether he's producing media or preserving history, writing stories, or challenging conventional narratives.

3:06 Speaker 1: Salah spent a lifetime asking questions that most of us never really think to ask. Please welcome my friend sal Almato two total disclosure, MH sad.

3:29 Speaker 2: Of course, I feel.

3:34 Speaker 1: I want you to feel important than you.

3:36 Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

3:37 Speaker 1: That's the whole thing, right right. Obviously, you know there's a lot going on right now in the world of disclosure. We'll get to all that, of course, but can you give the audience a little bit of a brief background, you know, I know I did the intro and plutched on a few things, but a little bit of a background on just you know, what your expertise is in and how you made your way into the field of the unknown.

4:12 Speaker 2: Well, I was always curious about and writing was always something that was in me, even in grammar school, and a teacher would say, okay, we want you know, you got to do me one page on Australia, and I'd give her forty five pages on Australia. Because you know, once you're you know, the creative side kicks in and you start writing. You start writing, you keep writing, and you keep writing. And by the time I got into high school, one of the high schools I went to five and it got thrown out of I think three, not because I was a bad kid, because I questioned the idiots that were in charge of educating us, and majority of them they were all making money.

4:50 Speaker 2: I don't know how or why, but anyways, my drama teacher nineteen eighty two, the only guy was at Whitney Young High School in Chicago, Missus Carter, one of the few teachers who really cared about us. She was a wonderful soul. She had said, Hey, you want you look like a hoodlum. They're casting for a movie. You should go audition for it, you know. And I had already my mom had My mom did jingles, so I had already. Yeah. Could you imagine a teacher singing that to a kid today? Oh my god. The families were going nuts, Oh my, you offended my son.

5:31 Speaker 2: Here we're looking and go yeah, okay, I look like yeah. I had like a mustache by the time I was in fifth grade. By the time I was twelve, the period was coming in. So junior junior year in high school, I had a full beard, mustache and I was DJing, working night clubs. I looked like I was thirty. Nobody knew I was sixteen, So I went and auditioned. It was the Getty's Agency. I went auditioned for Bad Boys. It was a movie with Sean penn Essige Morale, Clancy Brown, Jim Moody, Deeen Fortunado, a bunch of other actors who came out of Ali.

6:07 Speaker 2: Sheedy and I got real close with Sean when we were shooting, including Jason Gadriick. Jason's from here in Chicago, and Jason moved to the West Coast. You know. The story was that Sean said, you know, look, you guys should move to California. You'll get more work. And I was like, I'm doing good here, man. Thanks well. Jason took him up and moved to California within the year, and Jason had a pretty decent career out there in Hollywood. So from that, I got into radio, get in the broadcasting, kept acting, was doing commercials, It was doing radio mixes on radio shows, still DJ and my clubs, you know, not really getting successful in anything, but being there and gathering like a sponge knowledge and knowledge, and got into the record industry, record business, and got into the internet.

6:54 Speaker 2: Actually by eighty eight, I was online, starting to understand technology and how it worked, still writing, still acting through all of this, you know, having having the tentacles and everything you can because you got to keep the balls in the air. You never know what one's going to hit. And in the nineties I was a knee deep in technology. Want to or with Mark Cuban and lost oh Man,

7:20 Speaker 2: good for him, and you know, still trying, still going, still trying to, you know, still trying to say. You know, you set these goals for yourself, and I'm never happy I have ye to me. I feel like I haven't gotten where I want to go yet. I haven't gotten to that point yet. Beau, you did this, I said, yeah, but I didn't get I don't have any satisfaction. It looks great for other people, but for me from for the way I operate, I'm not happy with any of it. I haven't gotten where I want, where I want to go, or where I want to be.

7:54 Speaker 2: So I started writing again deeply. In twenty twenty four twenty twenty five, wrote a show called Baker's and the Birds that's an animated that's going to a vertical drama network. Wrote a show called The outfit found out that got stolen wound up on a network, so I'm reproducing it the way it was originally written, and that's going to a vertical drama network that's called Joe Caroselli, and it's about a mob boss who did twenty years and jail, gets out of jail, and he's very bitter, very angry because all the politicians that he helped along the way have all had a wonderful life.

8:33 Speaker 2: They're getting close to retirement. He's coming out of the joint. He's got nothing, so he's in his mind they're going to collect. He's going to collect. And in the middle of all that, I was writing researching hidden Powers, disclosure from within, and that was always my baby in my head since I was a kid. You know, you're a little younger, mean, But years ago there was a movie called Chariots of the Gods.

8:58 Speaker 1: Was fine, yeah, yeah.

8:59 Speaker 2: Right, the book that became a movie, yeah yeah, And I was intrigued. Not only that, but you know, just Close Encounters was an amazing story. Contact is one of those movies that's still holds up. The scene with Jody Foster and her father. I get a tear in my eye just think you know, because that's what you hope is there, you know. I mean, you know, we were talking only about questions and people watching they're curious. I just like everybody, I have questions. I'm curious. I have a real soft spot about certain things and movies like that.

9:33 Speaker 2: You know. Independent State to me was like a bad comedy. I mean, it was laugh funny, and I love I love Jeff Goldblum. There's nothing to go even and thank god it's Friday. He was the best part of the movie.

9:45 Speaker 1: I'm actually a huge l Smith fan. I know that's unpopular, but he's a great actor.

9:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, he does good work. He can't take that away from it. I don't have to hump his leg or wash right.

9:57 Speaker 1: He just has a crazy wife. That's like, yeah, well, who knows his son's friends.

10:03 Speaker 2: I mean we you know, again, we don't know anything about these people. They're all marketed, but I don't know that yet. I I know you do good work. Okay, that's where it ends, you know, in my life. You know, if I never saw another Will Smith movie or another Kerry Grant movie, my life will be fine, you know, I'll be Okay. These are things that are necessity in my life. However, I have myre achievements. I don't worship people buy a myre achievements one.

10:31 Speaker 1: Of the I'm sorry to interject here, but if I feel like, if I don't say it now, I'll probably forget it because we're going to get into some deep stuff. But isn't it weird? You know our ancestors, and like I said, this is a very fitting It's not just an out of left field question you're but isn't it fitting? Weirdly odd that, like so our ancient cultures are our ancestors all the way up through you know, nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties, I think was the first. Nineteen thirties I think was the first real celebrity someone who transcended.

11:09 Speaker 1: I forget what his name is, but he's a musician. You ended up going missing actually a in a weird plane thing during World War Two. But he But we now put actors and actresses, we elevate them to the level that our ancestors, like spoke about the gods. Like when Justin Bieber walks into a place, like there's people that are literally fainting, fainting, well, you know that would happen when the pharaohs would walk through Egypt, and you know, and and it just it's crazy to me to think that that's where our that's where we've gone.

11:54 Speaker 2: But think about one that Look you look, if you go back into the twenties, right, the silent Stars, silent movie films. You got Betty Graybow and you got all the stars of Hollywood. And then Sinatra comes along and bing crossby the Bobby socks ers in the four you know, and they're fainting. Elvis comes along, Jack Barry comes along, Bobby Dare you know all these people are all just fainting. And and David Casson think about that in the seventies, David Cassidy, his fan club is bigger than the Beatles, you know.

12:31 Speaker 2: And and when you look back at so people, I don't know, maybe it's just a human trait that people become enamored with the idea of somebody they know nothing about because they're merely entertained by that person.

12:44 Speaker 1: Right.

12:45 Speaker 2: And okay, you know, like I tell everybody, that's not me. I mean, I don't put catch up on my hot dog. My best friend does. I'm not gonna hate him for it. You know, It's okay, it's just not me. Man. I don't get it. I did I you know, especially in this industry when I've worked alongside you know, big name directors and producers, and I mean even when I was djaying to share a good story with you. Walter Pate, Walter was a wonderful guy. Walter was such a trip and uh here in Chicago, Walter Payton running back for the Bears.

13:20 Speaker 2: He also owned a bunch of nightclubs out in the northwest suburbs of the city. And I was DJing and a club called Safari Club. Walter would come in and he said, Man, you got you gotta come work for me. Come on by, come work by mean. I said, no, Then you guys play way too much white music. I was really deep in the house. You know, this is the eighties early house and the w bmx A right here in Chicago with the Hopis five, the HAP mixes that were scary. You know New York. They had bls in New York and then they had U in Boston.

13:50 Speaker 2: You know, he had some of the greatest record guys in the world come out of Boston. Joey Carvello, Uh, John Luongo, another phenomenal producer Gary kamand yeah, I mean, these guys are all icons in the industry. A lot of great people came out of your Neckati Woods too in Boston. But here in Chicago, I had, you know, you hit, all these celebrities coming in. And then when I became a stockbroker, I had Scottie Pippen, bj Armstrong or as Grant. They were clients, other people that were clients, and I would talk to them just like I would talk like Bob Bust.

14:25 Speaker 2: They want my friends, because the last thing anybody and the last thing I ever want to do, is worship somebody. And it's It's just like when I meet somebody, we can either talk like we've known each other for thirty years or we can act like strangers and just sit real refined with our hands folded and scared to death to say anything that might be untoured. I was, you know, I'll joke around, and even when I work on Chicago Fire, I would bus Taylor can these balls? He bust my balls? And then you know you'd hear him when you're blocking out a shot, you're hearing laughing their ass off while they're getting ready to block the shot.

15:02 Speaker 2: You hear them. You know because we're miked up and I'm like, did you swear that lineup? You're a real asshole, aren't you. You know, we're just bullshit with each other because at the end of the day, you're just another person. You may. You know, there's things that you know, everybody's really good at something, and everybody's really stupid. I don't care who they are, you know, I guarantee you Albert Einstein could not figure out how to transfer three quarter and thumatic tape to to a video file, but he can do a hell of a lot of shit that I probably could never imagine.

15:36 Speaker 2: So everybody's good fun. So everybody's good at something, and there's a lot of things I'm really stupid at and that's you know, I don't have a monopoly on that, neither is anybody else.

15:47 Speaker 1: Right, No, absolutely, And that's a very that was very well put. You've spent you spent decades in broadcasting and entertainment, technology and digital media today, you know what you're looking at the UFO topic, and what do you think the biggest mistake people make when trying to separate genuine information from manipulation or you know, narrative control.

16:21 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I don't know if you can call it a mistake type because people are so used to being bullshitted and lied to, right, so you get that fatigue factor, people just go okay, another one, Ah, yeah, you know. It's like you know, the boy who cried wolf over and over and a lot of that could you know, could be the manipulation that's planted to get to the fatigue factor because you can hide the truth and play in sight. I mean, I have the hope and the belief just just based on all the bullshitting the lines we've seen for two thousand years as a human.

17:03 Speaker 2: Governments lie, people lie. There's crackbox, there's lunatics in these crazy bastards that make up these insane stories about uap UFO. They don't help the cause, they don't help get us any closer to the truth because those are the people that those who don't want it to be true, or the naysayers, they will focus on those lunatics says that person was nuts, that was it was swamp gas or something. There's genuinely shit out there people have experienced that they can't explain. They weren't on DMT, they weren't smoking weed.

17:40 Speaker 2: They weren't popping pills, they weren't fling ascid. They were just calling about their damn day and some shit happened to them that they can't answer. So you can't just negate that because you don't want it to be you know, I go back to the story of fifty two when you know, for two weekends in July there's UFOs all over the place and you see tens of thousands of people see this ship. The media reports it, the government comes back and this is what it was. This is what you will print. Okay, both we'll do that, and then it's calm.

18:12 Speaker 2: Nobody wants a question that the media in what ian.

18:17 Speaker 1: Because they want to retain their their their their relationship with the White House so that they continue.

18:22 Speaker 2: Absolutely power power. It's about power, and you got to have access to that power. I don't know how important it is they have access to power. That's lying to you though, you know what I mean, what do you Okay, So you're gonna use me like some pawn. I'm your bitch, and you're gonna puke out bullshit to me so I can go tell other people bullshit so you can look good and it can all be wrong to. I mean, we don't know what to believe, we don't know what to trust, we don't know who to believe. And everybody needs a point of reference in their life to be to just say, Okay, that's the direction I should go.

18:57 Speaker 2: But people become fanatical. Once it become fanatical, they look for people of like minds who share the same ideology due to the conditioning that they've had, and then they form a bond with each other. You know, just like you got Yankees fans and Red Sox fans, comes in socks fans. They could both suck ass, but somebody they're still going to worship them. They're still going to be that's my team, that's my team. And you ask them, why is it your team?

19:23 Speaker 1: What you know?

19:27 Speaker 2: And this is what happens is that they you know, especially with the whole UFOL and the conspiracy, all those other shits, they get you to root for a team that isn't necessarily yours man, because you don't really know the truth. There's a lot of manipulation going on. So all of that is in my head when I'm writing the story. All the friction of the people of regular people of military, of religious leaders, the media, and these groups of people who all shape how and what we think at any give in the moment that the mind is the easiest thing to own, and people don't realize the powers that are out there trying to control what we think.

20:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not by by uh, you know, by accident. That everything is so polarized because there is a lot of power trying to control it's it's it's monopoly on that power.

20:24 Speaker 1: Absolutely.

20:26 Speaker 2: Do you think that's how I mean, That's how I approach writing the book anyways, that's my belief, my thought. People may not think that that's fine, but that's how I wrote the book.

20:34 Speaker 1: Right, and that's fair. So you've seen how narratives are built from the inside. Do you think that the UFO conversation is being maybe guided organically or are there Do you think there are groups actively steering public perception?

20:52 Speaker 2: I think it. I think it's a it's a crapshoop, brother. I think there's a lot of all of that happening on. And I say this to anybody that Napaolina Luna got the biggest balls and everybody of anybody in DC because she is you know, she's consistently trying she's doing what she can to at least get to the truth. That's all you want, is the truth. Why would you want to base your entire life in existence on a frigging lie. Get to the truth so we can move forward and make shit better. That's it. That's all you ask for, if it's what all you want for your girlfriend, your husband, your wife, your kids.

21:29 Speaker 2: Get the truth so I know which way to go to make my life better. And we can never seem to get to that.

21:35 Speaker 1: And it drives me nuts, right, And it's almost like this, it's almost like kind of being robbed of because when when I stand and this is obviously going to be kind of like like cliche, but when I stand on the mountaintop and I look out into the horizon, right, no one's there with me, and I'm asking myself, what's my place in the cosmos? Right? What's my place in the universe? What am I here for? To not know or to have it been taken? That information taken and compartmentalized and hidden away. That affects the way now I know, I mean, maybe this isn't a good analogy, but you know, this is one of the few subjects that affects every single person, no matter what, whether you're rich, poor, you're gay, you're you're straight, you're black, you're white, you're Jewish, you're Christian, like, it affects everybody the same.

22:49 Speaker 1: So what it really comes down to is when you're standing on that mountaintop asking yourself, you know, what is my purpose to not have the full equation right to know that we're part of something bigger, much bigger? I think is a is a crime, that's a crime against humanity. And then that's my personal opinion.

23:12 Speaker 2: And and here's the other side of the coin where you know what you know? Because I look at both sides of the coin here with the government and try and what if there is no purpose? See, you gotta be honest, you can't both. The worst thing you can do in your life is bullshit yourself.

23:28 Speaker 3: Man.

23:29 Speaker 2: So I look at and go, okay, what is it? Record like you I should anything? What What the hell am I supposed to do? Here? What it? Or is it? Just? Look here? You are good luck. I'll see on the other side, get done what you can get done? Or you know, is the disclosure thing really so bad that it would freak the ship out of people? I don't know. I don't know. I really don't know that. I don't think you can stop. What's that you know what's about to happen if it comes out, if it ever comes out. But like I said, good or bad, you gotta be honest, it could be really bad too.

24:07 Speaker 2: What if we are just a bunch of slaves to something, If we were just dumped here and we're all part of it, and there's a hierarchy, even the slave, even the slaves, even those who own us and control us and manipulate us our slaves as well, and there's a hierarchy to them. I don't know. These are questions. I don't have any answers. You don't, None of us have any of these answers. It would help if we knew that. Maybe it might not help if we knew, because then when we just all jump off a bridge and end it, who knows.

24:38 Speaker 1: Well that that's an interesting thing. It's an interesting idea. Because so I had Rizwan Verk in studio, and I'm not sure if you're familiar with you riswan is, but he's one of the leading guys right now in simulation theory or the simulation hypothesis. And I sat here and I asked him and point blank because it really like like kind of like what you just said. I was like, Okay, if if we are in some sort of simulation, right,

25:15 Speaker 1: my bills still are coming, do my I still need food, The food still tastes, steaks still tastes like steak. What does it actually change? All we would know is the information that this reality is rendered, you know, And the closest analogy would be like a computer rendering out because I don't think that it's that simple. I think it's much more complex than that if it is a simulation. But again, it doesn't it doesn't fundamentally change my life so much that I would just jump off a bridge. Now do you see what I'm saying?

26:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, you know, like I said, it could go either way. I think we're always better with the truth. I really do. I think, because look, some people might not handle it. That's up to them, man, that's up the people. You know, that's up to people. You got to deal with shit in your life, whether you like it or not. Not everybody can deal with it, but you can't right now, you know, I quite where we're at in life to a pressure cooker. There's so much pressure building right now, somehow, some way it's got to be let loose or else it's just gonna explode.

26:37 Speaker 1: It's gonna explode. That's catastrophic disclosure.

26:39 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And in a lot of this, you know, again people pick sides. Whether I don't care what country they're in. There you don't know how much you're being manipulated. Yeah, you know, we've we come to we've gotten a point now we're idiots are bad and cessantly about shit they don't know, and they're regarded as my guy. And you've got people who have done, who have I don't even necessarily have to like them, but they've achieved phenomenal things that are amazing in what their achievement is, and they're being ship upon.

27:18 Speaker 2: It's so backwards and so screwed up. And that is through the power of media marketing and those powers that are fighting to own the minds. And when I wrote Hidden Powers Disclosure from within, a lot of that goes into that where you know, eventually people figure it out that you know, some people figure out that okay and being manipulated, and there's other people who figure out who refuse to believe it. Like today, you can show them something and they won't believe it. They just just like again, we go back to a Comes fans oxygen.

27:54 Speaker 2: It Comes could be in the World Series up for three games to none, and a Socks fan will still look at the Cubs fan and say, oh, the Cubs still suck. They suck. Well, the Cubs are in the World Series. Bro. If the Socks make the World Series and there are not three games and none and the Cubs aren't in the series, of course, and it comes from that, says the White Sox suck, Well, how do you say that they're in the World Series? They suck. It's like you're arguing with an idiot. You're having an idiot's argument.

28:27 Speaker 2: It's just fanaticism. They're fananticism, and they become tribal and they height hang with each other because ideologically you're never going to get them to change their minds. And what people don't realize is that this is your life, man. They ain't a game anymore. This ain't no football game, no no Australian football, no baseball. It's your life man. That's your kids, that's your family, and you're picking side for people you don't necessarily know.

28:58 Speaker 1: Sad that's not good point. That is a good point. And oh man, that's a good point. Well. With that being with with that being said, do you if a genuine non human intelligence disclosure event happened, say tomorrow, do you think that the public would recognize it or would it be buried under you know, misinformation competing narratives And that's that that bullshit factor you're talking about people just being like, Okay, I don't I just don't believe it.

29:45 Speaker 2: It was Well, there's gonna be people who don't. They may believe that. They don't want to, they don't want to go along with it. There may be you know, the way I wrote it is the way I wrote It's interesting. It was an interesting way. But do I think people will accept it? I think if it's done on a huge, massive, large scale where there is no look, what was it, Snowden, how much shit did that guy disclose? Or what was the other guy? All this shit was disclosed. This isn't fantasy that these guys dumped and wiki leagues.

30:16 Speaker 2: This was all real stuff. Man, and its people didn't want to They looked to whoever their team was to tell them what to think about what they just saw. So they were told what the thing and either believe it or not believe it. You know, Oh, it's all a lie. Opfully well, Joe ol Berr says, it's all a bunch of bullshitts. A Joe knows because Joe Joseph, he wash his dishes over there at the pizza place. You know. Everybody's a friggin lawyer online. That's why united the comments are to have to joy in some of these threads that you see and you're on Twitter, because everybody knows.

30:56 Speaker 2: Everybody knows everything. Everybody's got the answers. I know what that is. I know you don't know shit, man, you know exactly what they want you to know. And you're debel enough to fall for either side, and the truth is somewhere in the middle that you wouldn't recognize if it need, Yeah, you can't. I don't know what to believe anymore. And do I think people will handle I think people can handle it, I really do. I take a look at the world right now, brother, it's so screwed up. Be ain't doing a real good job of making anything work right now.

31:30 Speaker 2: I think maybe here Tyler, when I wrote the book and I said this was exactly what I said to myself. There's only two ways out of this ship for us, all right. One insert the deity of your choice comes here and says you people, you got it all wrong. This is how you're supposed to do it. Or you get some underwater alien life form, non interdimensional life form, something from outer space underwater. So that's the same thing. Two people have got it all wrong. We gave you everything you needed and you're still screwed up.

32:09 Speaker 2: So that would become your point of reference for how to go forward, you know, but it has to happen on a massive scale in order to get everybody to believe it. It really does, you know, it would have to happen simultaneously around the world like.

32:24 Speaker 1: That, Well what okay? And do you think that that would be because that could be how a non human intelligence does connect with every single person all at once. So it's like you almost you almost piggy piggyback, not piggyback, but leapfrog the media and any third party, right, well, you just beam it right into their heads or you know, show up to them as God of Choice or someone that's close to them that's died, and like have them walk up to them personally, and everyone's seeing it all at once. Everyone's like, I've thought about this, and you know, would that be the way?

33:16 Speaker 1: Would that be the only way that this could be done?

33:19 Speaker 2: And you know that's a possibility. My thought is, all the search engines, all the social media, they all have suppressions that would suppress as much of it as you can. So but if you flood and you're using la grains relays and using all these little back doors to the satellites to get into all these other places around the world that can get the information out, go around the algorithm, trip trip the algorithms, or just literally bull a shit out of the algorithm to where it can no longer suppress the realities that are being pushed through.

33:52 Speaker 2: That's and it happens simultaneously. Look, it's gonna be a major technological event. Somebody is gonna do a drop up. Someone's going to do a massive drop eventually on whatever does exist. And as sure as I am that within ten years, people will be worshiping some AI actor. He'll have ten million followers. He won't even be real. People will be following that person. He'll be They'll be you know, there's an IMDb database. They will be an AI dB database. Oh AI actors that people are also think are the ship.

34:32 Speaker 2: He's the best. I love him, I love her. It's not a he, it's not a she. It's a freaking thick mint of someone's imagination. But people, in their quest to be entertained, will they get a kick out of it, and they'll follow these future stars, you know, ten years down the line. It's gonna happen. Not just but it's the natural progression of people in the technology industry who have ideas. It's always, hey, we can do that, just like a dress part. Okay, we can do it. But should we do it? Always the question?

35:04 Speaker 1: And that's the scariest thing right now for me with AI.

35:07 Speaker 2: Yeah it's brother ed.

35:10 Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, no one is stopping to ask should we?

35:18 Speaker 2: But then where is it? Where is where do you stop? See? Everybody, it's who's going to make that judgment? We we usually we know what we do. We take a big ship in the living room, right and then we all look around at each other and go, what does that smell? We're shocked that it smells in the living I know it's a horrible analogy, but that's really what happens is we make a big mess and then nobody wants to accept responsibility. Say, then we start implementing stupid ideas and policies that don't fix the problem.

35:50 Speaker 2: They just master the problem so we can move forward. So then everything gets built on a pile of bullshit. Everything is everything from that point on, we move forward with more bullshit, and the festering, heaping pile that created the problem is still underneath sticking up the room.

36:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, and AI.

36:09 Speaker 2: AI is such a double it's so wonderful, it's so amazing what you can do with AI. But and I always go back to this. You know, a gun. You take a gun, you put it on your desk, it will sit there for a million years. You put a human in the room, all bets are off. Once they're humans in the room. The gun ain't gonna do anything. It's not about it's the human. And the same thing with AI. If they didn't bastardize AI's uses, my god, the ship, we could accomplish.

36:44 Speaker 1: And that's a very very good and nuanced point to that. Because they're programming of the AI. You know, like at the beginning, when it was like they'd be like show you know, show me a picture of like a World War two battle and it would have like Chinese women soldiers, and it was like, wait a second, that, no, that's not like d I can't be used in this situation.

37:17 Speaker 2: So it was it was like the unfiltered search results you used to get Lecos or Alta Vista in ninety seven ninety eight. You'd search for a green tent and you would get everything that had nothing to do with the green tent. You know, before they started fining tuning the search engines and the metadata and creating the score is creating the system for the algorithms and know where to direct you to. Yes, exactly what you were saying, same thing?

37:48 Speaker 1: Do you think that ai? Now I don't know if you I mean you told me backstage that you know the story of like the Zacharaisichen and or maybe that was maybe that was live, I can't remember. But Chariot of the Gods, the idea of Chariot of the Gods. So the come here they create humans because the the race, the be the beings of the on that were uh, the workers rebelled. They didn't want the conditions were bad.

38:33 Speaker 2: So the.

38:38 Speaker 1: Exactly so they take some of that they take some of their own DNA and they find primate primates, the closest thing to to them that they could research or or hybridize. And then you know, thus comes the human or the hominid. And we are only we. Our only purpose is this non stop working, this non stop creation, this non stop thirst for more, This this notion that we never stop to ask ourselves. Should we write, we just everything else on this planet. Sal hear me out on this. If the worms go extinct tomorrow, we're fucked.

39:31 Speaker 1: If the bees go extinct tomorrow, we're fucked. Everything else in this world seems to be part of this beautiful ecosystem, this perfectly balanced controlled environment. There's hundreds and hundreds of millions of them across the globe, and you take one thing out and it focks at all. But then you have humans. We take more than we give. They tell us, we stood up only to have back pain and get burned by the very thing that gives everything life. Right. Also, we shed our fur to need pelts and coats in the winter.

40:25 Speaker 1: Our biological clock is more in tuned with Mars than it is of Earth. We don't seem to fit the bill for any ecosystem on this planet? Are we theis?

40:42 Speaker 2: And you can you could go in eight different directions out of that one and not be wrong and not be right.

40:49 Speaker 1: But do you take any stock into the Aanaki story.

40:53 Speaker 2: Here's the way I look at it, and I always go. If it's say it's the year fifteen, and you get t Bow the Magnificent and his Peasant from that movie Just Visiting with Christina aguile a Christina Apple game, right, so it's, oh, dude, if you ever get a chance, watch just you if you haven't seen Just Visiting. It was one of those movies that got lost in two thousand and one. It's hilarious. Okay, So now you know the years like fourteen whatever it is, and imagine just a man, I don't care a lamp, right, and fourteen eighty seven people look at that, they're looking at to say, what the hell is it?

41:37 Speaker 2: What is it? I don't know what. They didn't have the knowledge, you know, what the hell they were looking at back then, especially, and if you go back to ten thousand years Dianaki, who knows, it could have just been a bunch of tall dudes. I don't know. I wasn't there. We can speculate all day long. I would love to know, honestly, I would nobody would love to know half this shit more than me, just just for the hell of it, Because as I think, it's a you know, at least you get to the bottom of things, do I. I don't know what to make of that one.

42:06 Speaker 2: I just like I don't know what to make of even even after the Ana Mackey. You know, it just seems like we are forever slaves to something and a belief system has always been put in place, you know, every time we watch movies, like when you watch a movie about disclosure or contact or the alien becomes present, you never asked them. Okay, so how does your society work? Do you guys get here's me my question. You guys go to the bathroom? Okay, what do you eat? You know, what do you eat? Do you eat anything over there?

42:45 Speaker 2: Do you sleep? Is money important? You know? Like that line in uh in It's a Wonderful Life with mclarence the Angel least says you know money and James James Stewart's as well comes down comes in pretty handy down your bubb You know, do you need money? Do you people compete? Is there competition where you come from. How do is it or is it a sharing society where even those who uh you know who are gifted with a broader for lack of a better word, intelligence, do you all just contribute to the betterment of your culture?

43:24 Speaker 2: Whereas here it's I don't know. People want to ship all over the United States and how bad the planet is, how bad the country is. Where do you think we got a monopoly on these miserable lowlife piece of ship bastard running everything. Every single country has got some scumbags in or outside controlling it all. We ain't got the monopoly on this ship. And people should probably go visit other go to other countries and see how wonderful it is. It's nice to visit. You wouldn't want.

43:51 Speaker 1: To live there, you know, right right?

43:55 Speaker 2: And that's not that But that's because culturally we're all different. You know, how they how they live and how what what they enjoy in France or what they enjoy Man of Gascar, what they enjoy in h I don't know, in Ivory Coast what they enjoy. Everybody has different cultures. That's the thing. We are different people, so we have different things. We enjoy. They may eat something different over there, we may eat we eat differently here. I'm not I'm not gonna shit all over that. It's but to just ship on your own culture because you think it's garbage.

44:31 Speaker 2: I don't know. Who are people like that trying to impress? I know, is it profound? Is that poignant? Is that supposed to be some kind of profound, poignant objective view of your own culture? How much of your own culture do you really know? Because you're part of it, you know, somebody can look at you and say this, and you can look at me and say the same thing. I don't know what you know about these stories about the innerche because it all, it all smells the same to me. It smells like control. Somehow, somebody's got to control people.

45:03 Speaker 2: And do these people who are in control think they're doing us and a service? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if they think maybe they believe themselves to beat the benevolent ones where they're helping us, because otherwise the world would really be screwed up. I don't know.

45:19 Speaker 1: And that, yeah, that's a scary thought to me. Yes, if they're holding back something because and like that would be the biggest plot to us if we found out that like they find like they eat us, like and we're just cow or cattle.

45:36 Speaker 2: To serve man from twiglight zone. Right.

45:40 Speaker 1: I don't know if you just saw this, but I took us in my coffee.

45:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're okay, over there, dude, down the wrong pipe.

45:48 Speaker 1: It came out my nose. Yeah.

45:51 Speaker 2: Oh, it was like a you're a squirter, You're okay, you're good.

46:00 Speaker 1: That was hilarious way to roll with it.

46:04 Speaker 2: But yeah, no, and that would go and by the way, they would go right over my wife's head. I married the fial lover her so so innocent about things sometimes, whereas me, I've been dragged fort a mon. I've just seen ship and a man and they're just ship. I've seen that you can't unsee. And she's the exact opposite. So she's my balance, keeps me balance.

46:25 Speaker 1: We all need a little balance.

46:27 Speaker 2: Yes, we're all left up eat right.

46:31 Speaker 1: You know it's sad. If I just choked to death on camera, that would have went viral.

46:39 Speaker 2: You get it monetized, at least monetize it. Are you? Are you you monetized? Right? Switch back? If you can't just in case this case of don't work next.

46:48 Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, yeah, run it back, guys, run it back.

46:51 Speaker 2: You keep it for your state. I could just say I was part of it, but it's all your No.

46:55 Speaker 1: I didn't realize. I didn't realize. The spoon is still in the car. But it's a big it's a big cup. So the spoon. So the spoon, it's right there, right, And I took a ship and the spoon went in my mouth and then it can't like spit out my nose.

47:13 Speaker 2: Well kind of what are you drinking? You go to dark roast? What do you like?

47:16 Speaker 1: Imma? I do like a medium roast. I like, uh, a splash of milk and like two or three sugars.

47:24 Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, I'm me. I like that like Levaza or you know, a nice dark, dark, rich roast and I go, honestly, god, I go Boston style all the time, loaded up with green baby, let's go sugar.

47:38 Speaker 1: Just yeah.

47:40 Speaker 2: And I'm a coffee And actually my wife got me hooked on tea lately, so I'm pretty I've been doing the Earl Gray again. I really love. But she's got this tea called Machu Picu Macho something I don't know, Macha, Yeah, that can whatever. I'm not a good fan of it.

47:58 Speaker 1: Me neither me neither like.

48:00 Speaker 2: They are all great. It's as far as I'm going.

48:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, someone tried to turn me onto mushroom coffee.

48:06 Speaker 2: I've heard it's really good for you, and I've heard.

48:09 Speaker 1: You yeah yeah, doctor doctor, you know the result.

48:15 Speaker 2: I read Doctor Malone's stuff a lot. Uh, sulec another one for a lot of these things, especially me being a gravitationally challenged guy and trying to figure out ways to cut the weight and you know, lower the blood pressure and stuff. And uh, the mushroom coffee is supposed to be really good for you. Yeah, I think I might take the plunge one day.

48:38 Speaker 1: Yeah. And apparently it doesn't taste like ship like you'd think it would.

48:42 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, who wants mushroom? I don't want a truffle flavored coffee. I don't mind trouble, yeah, olive oil.

48:47 Speaker 1: But not my I'll like, I'll eat mushrooms, not not not the not the food type, but like the trippy type. And I hate the taste of them so much, but like, in the thought of it, I'm like every time I hear mushroom coffee. All I can think of is like like putting mushrooms in a in a coffee maker and having water go through it. But that's not.

49:14 Speaker 2: Really what it is.

49:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, but but my head just goes there and I'm like, that sounds disgusting. But back to what we were, Back to what we're talking about before I almost died, the the wonders of live guys, the wonders of live WHOA. The title of your novel, which you've brought up now a couple of times, is hidden powers disclosure from within. Do you believe that the biggest secret surrounding UFOs is the phenomenon itself or is it how the information about the phenomenon is managed?

49:58 Speaker 2: I think I think it's managed of it, Okay, even if you could explain ninety percent of it, and even three or four percent that if you can't explain, maybe it is something else. But the ship that is absolutely, I'm equivocally real it's being managed. And it only takes a small portion of them of managing it to get people to where we're at, to the point where we say, I don't know to believe. Oh that again, that's bullshit, because you get so fed up with hearing this, and that's like for the level got you're just gonna just again, can you just put the put out the truth?

50:36 Speaker 2: But for some reason, whatever it is, whoever it's profiting, you know, I always go back to money. People are making big dough off this ship. They probably always have some. And and in the book, you know that was the directive that that's the way I wound up going. Is that?

50:53 Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?

50:55 Speaker 2: That's a lot there's a lot of money. Member in the movie Contact, when what's his name the scientists who gave them the money to build the magneto thing, he says, why build one when you can build two twice the money. There's a lot of money to be made. It doesn't take much to walk up the guy and say, yeah, you saw that. Huh Yeah, it's gotta tell you what. We're gonna give you a hundred thousand dollars and we're gonna let your kid live or else we're going to blow mostorts your kid at the wall, and your wife you won't even read.

51:28 Speaker 2: There won't be enough DNA left to even identify that she was over here on earth. So you want to take the hundred grand and shut up or not. It's not far fetched to believe that that kind of shit happens, especially if you're an Italian. You know, you know, you've seen them in action.

51:44 Speaker 1: Bluffing.

51:45 Speaker 2: Yeah.

51:46 Speaker 1: So do you think so you think that the information is the prize?

51:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the information is the key. That's the key, the key, the key to it all is whether it's real or not. Right, that's that you want you open that box now everybody can see it.

52:10 Speaker 1: And it stops being this elusive thing that only a small select people have access to.

52:17 Speaker 2: Right, Well, it's not, you know again, in the way I wrote it, it's it's they're ideologically connected, loosely ideological. It doesn't mean they have to all be in some kind of organization of They are like minded, just like the media. You know, ninety percent of the media. They think a certain way. Okay, so they're gonna they're gonna write stories, They're gonna adjectively describe things to get you to perceive what they want you to perceive the way they want you to perceive it. So you think the way they want you to think, and you see it the way they want it framed.

52:58 Speaker 2: It happens on the life Then it happens in the right and somewhere in the middle, there's got to be some truth there. I don't trust either one of them, and I get, like, like the average Perry any other people out there, say what the hell's the truth? Some people don't want to know the truth. They just want, like I said, they just want to help some dude's leg. Tell them they think he's great, and hopefully he'll throw him a bone with a job with some pension, and I'll get a city job or state job or fed job, and yeah, you're my guy, no matter how much the guy screws up.

53:27 Speaker 2: But then there's a lot of genuinely curious people who want to look at these guys who are in control, these people who are in power, and say, I just I don't believe you. I don't believe you. I just don't believe it. I would like to see the truth. And they, if they're in power, they're not going to They're not. Nobody's gonna willingly give up power. It's going to have you know, some people. Maybe I don't know, but I would hope that eventually this just gets so wide open that the band aid gets ripped off and we can finally get to some truths so we can move forward.

54:08 Speaker 2: You know, doctor Stephen Greer, when he talks about you know, how many years we've been set it, if that's true, if he's speaking the truth, and if that's been if that's real, you know, we're one hundred and fifty years back in technology. I mean, propulsion is an ancient technology, bro. Yeah, you know a car is the one hundred and fifty Thinking we're going to get out of our galaxy with a rocket is insane.

54:37 Speaker 1: It's laughable, it's insane. Chemical chemical combustion will never allow us to be a space faring civilization.

54:45 Speaker 2: No, you'll be you won't even live to make it a pass, you know, venus potentially.

54:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are wrong.

54:55 Speaker 2: So if there are other technologies out there that are being for us, they're being suppressed for a reason. I wrote about it.

55:05 Speaker 1: But I think I think it ties back to, like what you said, it ties back to the the money right, the exploitation of the actual material right. But also there's this compartmentalization and siloing that's been built around the idea and thus it's a limited hangout. And like you, we had we have talked about this whole time people are very people like want to be a part of a team. They want to be in on it, right, they want to be I know something you don't know. I'm connected, I'm read in, but I can't tell you.

55:58 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't tell you that in an open setting. You know, I think people, I think there are a lot of narcissists out there that actually like that, that that that they enjoy that they have a clamp down on certain information.

56:16 Speaker 2: That they count on it. They count on.

56:18 Speaker 1: It, bingo, they fucking count on it.

56:21 Speaker 2: That's how you hide the truth and plane That's how you hide the truth and plain sight.

56:25 Speaker 1: You rely on that, and that's how you get the Epstein's mhm right in because they hide in plane site.

56:34 Speaker 2: Well, you know, you go back, you talk about then you know, there's a portion of the book where I just delve into a little bit of some of that subject matter. And you know, I really don't give a shit about the list because I've been to parties where there are some really low life, sloppy, scum bag pieces of ship. Doesn't mean I did anything that they were doing, just mean I was in the presence of them. What I want, what I'm interested in is what I was told years ago is there's tear bits of video in audio.

57:13 Speaker 2: I don't give a shit about a paper list man about a bunch of people who want to party, snort, blow and hump, you know on hump coconut trees. Right, the list doesn't mean much. The action that they cannot ever deny.

57:27 Speaker 1: Is the video, right, and we have they they said that it's like, what we have right now is like and maybe I'm making this number up, but maybe someone in the in the chat or can can answer this. They say, we have like we have like twenty percent of the evidence and that's and we have like, you know, millions of documents. So what that is indicative of is that the eighty percent that is left is like you said, it's video. It's it's highly dense video and audio files. And that is exactly right, Like because you know who's all in the emails and ship like anyone anyone who ever sent or got an email from Epstein is not a fucking inside some sort of conspiracy.

58:24 Speaker 1: The guy was funding science and and the guy was funding various you know, uh sectors.

58:36 Speaker 2: He was buying likes is what he was doing. A lot of one suspecting people, a lot of dots, a lot of people who really have a clue, and then there's a lot of people who probably did have a clue and were participating. And those are ones, those are the ones I want to see on video.

58:57 Speaker 1: You have you have the inner circle, right, the inner circle is Epstein Glane, and then anyone who's like the core part of it that every the direction is taken from. And maybe it was just them too, Maybe that's the inner circle. I doubt that. But then you have the next ring of people. Those are the active participants and the people that.

59:27 Speaker 4: Like made it possible, if you know, the ansilary, the ancillaries, the people on the outside of the outside who wanted to get to the inside, they wanted to be in.

59:39 Speaker 2: It's no different than the entertainment industry or the record business like we spoke about earlier. It's it's a one big freak show, and everybody wants to be uh, move up the ladder so they can get patted on the head and say, well, you get good, you're good, you could you you you're good, you were good. Then you know, and here's the weird thing, and you know, I'm just looking this up from twenty fifteen till like last year, nothing was our twenties or was it twenty twenty to last year? Nothing was ever released on it.

1:00:11 Speaker 2: And I said, I said, I don't know why the hell didn't they release any of this shit before? And then I read because I guess the DOJ it was because it was supposedly it was under investigation. So if it's under investigation, that's the cover that you don't You can't release anything, you know what I'm saying, type right now, it's under investigation. We can't talk about it. We can't release anything. All of a sudden. Now it's no longer under investigation and they're spewing out documents all of a sudden.

1:00:44 Speaker 2: But where's the rest of it again? Why are you wasting my friggin time with a boat? Slap this guy when it? I want the video that we were told exists. That that ends everything. The video ends everything. That's it. The video cannot lie. And you know that chances are that dude had that joint wired the way you got your studio wired, right, he got red cameras, he got them, sony, he got he can get right down to the cube in the.

1:01:17 Speaker 1: Literally, yes, literally you're funny, man, I like it.

1:01:22 Speaker 2: That's that's the stuff that interests me. I mean, somebody who went to that island fifty sixty times. I'm a little weird. I'm a little suspected before.

1:01:30 Speaker 1: Right right, right, right right. But at the end of the day, was Stephen Hawking doing there, He's like like, why, like, does.

1:01:41 Speaker 2: Even know what he's looking didn't even know what he's looking at it, I don't know. It's weird man. And again we talked about in the entertainment industry, in the in these desire for people who want to be accepted in what they perceive to be a power structure.

1:01:55 Speaker 1: And you know, they there's no hangout factor gives it that exclusivity that you that people desperately crave. They crave this this element of being, like I said, part of that team, part of that, part of the group, part of the part of the club.

1:02:18 Speaker 2: I know things. I'm important, I hang with important people. I'm I can't tell you anything, but I know.

1:02:25 Speaker 1: And this is the this is the basis for most club's most secret societies, is the idea that you know something the rest of the world doesn't, and it's you that has the power of the secrets. YadA, YadA, YadA.

1:02:43 Speaker 2: Right, I'm important. I have power. There you go.

1:02:46 Speaker 1: We do rituals to this thing.

1:02:49 Speaker 2: Uh, you know, rituals, rituals. When I think about rituals, I think, wow, what a peasant at a still peasant house. These rituals they go back a thousand years, like you're living. What are you gonna go shit in some hole in the desert now too and get rid of your all your modern convenience. It's such a stupid thing. Yeah, we have to do this to prove that we're that. It bores me to know what do you and these are things about humans that annoy me. It really annoys me about humans. Is that these silly rituals that you know when you see them performing whatever group it is, these rituals where we all have to come together and do this.

1:03:30 Speaker 2: Or do you ever see that one video of all them weird people screaming and crying because they were apologizing to a tree. No of course back years bro, it's funny. Shit. It's a whole group of just really weird looking white.

1:03:43 Speaker 1: People man, and they're crying because the tree got cut.

1:03:47 Speaker 2: They're apologizing to the trees for what for everything? That we did to them. The trees are eight hundred feet tall, they've been around for a thousand years. You didn't do nothing to the tree. Those trees are in good shape. So why are you apologizing to the trees? Go apologize to the trees that are no longer there. Right, they're screaming and flying and doing this ritual with the public. And I'm looking at this, and you know what happened? What happened to you people? Well, somewhere along the way, you know, maybe your mother breastfed you while she was doing the asset.

1:04:22 Speaker 2: I don't know. Someone's got to really, you got to do something really screwed up to be that screwed up. It's it's bizarre. It's very bizarre. And there's some bizarre things in the book, you know, they were. I get into the habituals of people. Uh just you know it's some people may recognize that, some people may not. But it interests the hell out me. Human behavior is always interesting to me. And I think so because I got I got my own weird ship, you know. But the key is to know it and not living denial of it.

1:05:00 Speaker 2: You know, my own weird things I do that I go now I am really fucked up. What the hell is that all about? But some people just live and DENI know of this ship like it's a normal well, okay whatever.

1:05:13 Speaker 1: They want to keep their head in the sand because because because if they admit it, then they've conceded that reality is not the way that they they had been raised to believe to know. Right, if you live and.

1:05:37 Speaker 2: If you live that way, t then you're not growing because then you're suppressing knowledge that you're gaining. You're getting, you're getting knowledge, you're being you're being shown that, Hey, this is not a this isn't a t bone steak, It's a finger, you know what I mean. I now realize that I was wrong. I shouldn't call that a t bone steak. That's my finger. People will live in but then they'll fight over it because it's they don't want to. It's hard to break out of their conditioning. Whereas I'm very open to a lot of things, and I look at things like, okay, well that's just that's deep or that's shallow, and that's stupid, and it's good for you.

1:06:17 Speaker 2: You enjoy it, not me, and that's it. Right.

1:06:22 Speaker 1: Have you ever had any encounter with a UFO with the paranormal, with any any of the phenomena that may have sparked something in you too, because at least for me, what I see the most of is people get to this community one where either one of a few ways. One of them is direct experience. One of the next biggest one is faith. Faith, and I'm talking unconditional, unconditional faith in the trust that they have for someone else who had something happen and by by by happenstance, they they trust that person.

1:07:13 Speaker 1: Like Luigi Luigi, his grandfather had an experience, told him about it. This is Luigi Vendtelli. Yeah, yeah, created the S four Bob was our story documentary. He he didn't have a sighting of anything. He was always operating on Oh, his grandfather told him the story of what he saw. And he trusted his grandfather so much that he operated on the notion that it was a reality without having ever seen it. And that's that's okay. I've never actually seen a kangaroo, but that that takes a special and I think people are like they're almost like sad to admit, Like when I asked that question, if you have had an experience, they're sad to admit, like, no, I haven't nothing that I can point to, and it's like that's okay, that's okay, trust me.

1:08:09 Speaker 2: Anyway, I've tried, I've won. What do you mean I've hoped, I've tried. That is that I've actually called the police when I thought I saw you a fall was just spotlights. So I'm jokingly I say that I've tried because I really would love to have seen one. I know, I believe you experienced it, right, you had an experience, and yeah, and but I will tell you this, I did have a very weird experience. What it was, I don't know if you would call a parent normal.

1:08:45 Speaker 1: Tell me about it.

1:08:46 Speaker 2: I was see, I was seventeen. Right when I was younger, I had my music room and I had my turntables set up, My reels are reel. I was doing mixes for a radio station here in Chicago and other places, and I was making cassette tapes for friends of mine and stuff. And the back wall of my music room was all cork. So it was twelve x twelve cork, and my music room was all it was sound. It was all built for soundproof, right, yeah, not soundproof, but built for great sound. I had my monitors. I had my Pioneer deep twelves further out, and I had my little monitors in front of me.

1:09:27 Speaker 2: So I was working on a mix and I at that time, I was working on eleven hundred I think they're the eleven hundred m K two's, which are still probably the greatest turntable ever made for a DJ. The platters about that thick. They're still going for anywhere from fifteen hundred and twenty five hundred online. It's an amazing turntable. And we were using the SC thirty five C cartridges at the time. As a DJ. That was but like some people like standing, I was always an SC thirty five Sea guy, and so I'm working on the mix and then all was It's weird, man.

1:10:03 Speaker 2: The setup was. It was like a DJ booth. So it was like, let me see. So it came out like this and then like that. So the turntables are here with the mixer in the middle. It's about six feet long, and then it goes that way another four feet. The real the real deck is there, and then all my vinyl was underneath my booth and

1:10:31 Speaker 2: I had a dream it had It was a dream. So I'm John Beluchi died in March of eighty two, and I loved Baluchi. It was my favorite when I was a kid. Jimmy I liked a lot too, but John was. Yeah, And so out of nowhere, Beluchi shows up in my music room and he says, what do you want to do? Says, what do you mean when I wanted to? He said, what do you want to be? You want to be a DJ all your life? I said, no, I want to get in the Second City. You know it's my goal because I just that was the year right when I got done doing Bad Boys, So this is probably October, September, October November of eighty two.

1:11:17 Speaker 2: Bad Boys was released in February of eighty three. So he looks at me and he says, all right, I'll help you get in, but let me tell you something. If I see this shit, you're done. And he pointed to his arm and his arm just looked like Swiss cheese man. You know what. Yeah, it was weird. So I don't know where I wake up, and I'm sitting right behind where I was where I was talking to him in my music room, and it was about six in the morning. My music room was in the basement. I lived downstairs here in Chicago.

1:11:52 Speaker 2: We all remodeled our basements really nice, and you know, you had part you had your own little I had my bet room, my own bathroom, my music Oh yeah. But it was weird because within three months I'm auditioning at Second City and Don the Polo grabs me and says we definitely I wind up studying under Don de Pollo. Who was I said, holy shit, that's the guy who worked with at Roy and Bill Murray. Oh my god. And I still was. I was seventeen, so I think I was probably the youngest member accepted in Second City at the time.

1:12:28 Speaker 2: And some of the sketches that I was doing were just I mean, we were having a blast. I was having so much fun. But then my mom found out that I was sneaking out of the house and I taking the the Yeah bus all the way to Second City, which is up and what they call New Town at that time, it was North Avenue in Moselle. Yeah, And then I'd have to take the bus back at through a tree in the morning and my mother. My mother busted me coming in one night, beat my ass crowded men til I was about forty, one of the many titans.

1:13:02 Speaker 2: My mom grounded me till I was forty.

1:13:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're doing consecutive sentences, you're still round.

1:13:13 Speaker 2: Yeah. So that was it for Second City.

1:13:16 Speaker 1: But do you think do you think now hear me out, hear me out on this? You have this dream and then a couple of weeks later, you're auditioning at Studio City.

1:13:33 Speaker 2: You're second you know, Second.

1:13:36 Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, Second City. Do you think that consciousness is not? I mean, what do you make of consciousness because it seems like your brain was trying to tell you something like being prepared.

1:13:55 Speaker 2: I think it's energy tight to me, somehow, it's tightened. The energy. I don't know what is. You know, I don't know what that energy field is or an energy force, but it's an energy. Your drive, your stride, your desire generates an energy. We give up on certain things, the energy fades, then it comes back. Just my thought. I could be wrong, you know, ain't nobody around to tell me whether I ran or rons?

1:14:29 Speaker 1: Well? What if?

1:14:31 Speaker 2: What if?

1:14:32 Speaker 1: Consciousness is more like a radio a radio station right and frequency? Yeah? And I mean someone explained this to me and I just thought it was like it's so brilliant, and I think we're all like searching for that kind of answer that like consciousness or in some form or another. It all boils down onto does life continue after death? Like bodily death? Right? Uh? That's that's like the two big questions are we alone and what happens after we die? And I think we're all like we all want life after death, whether we admit it or not, so we seek out this this this question of what is consciousness?

1:15:24 Speaker 1: And you know, I really don't like when people like you know, therapists or or or or psychologists, when they pretend to know everything about the human psyche, and uh, you know they're the same people that that can't tell me what consciousness is. They're the ones who are defining who's sick, who's saying who?

1:15:50 Speaker 2: You know, they have to they have to go see their own shrink.

1:15:55 Speaker 1: Right right right? So and then like and the reason I sidetracked here because like they say, the sleep paralysis thing that's always got me because I have done d M. T. I have done some we'll call him experience.

1:16:19 Speaker 2: Experience tells me I got to do it all that he does it, he's done it.

1:16:24 Speaker 1: D M.

1:16:25 Speaker 2: T yeah, and other things that gets you into a different what he believes to be a different reality, a different.

1:16:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, bingo. Why I bring this up is it's almost like the consciousness part of it was not ever because when I did d MT, and I've done it with I probably shouldn't say this, but like Paul Heineck, uh, you know, son of of J Allen Heineck. You know, I've been in some great great positions, great great great timing, so and of you know, met Congress members, and you know, I used to be a drunk, like you know, I've been sober for six years. I think a lot of people wrote me off for a long time. I had potential, lost it and then you know, as soon as I gave up drinking, I really, you know, found my stride, if you will.

1:17:28 Speaker 1: And my mother you brought you talked about earlier about north stars. My mother was always my north star. And we get we don't have to get into that, but consciousness. I don't know what stations or Chicago, but Boston there's jam in ninety four point five, right, So what if your jam in ninety four point five all the all and and you know, obviously different radio stations are tied to different radio like like areas. But think for a second that all the radio stations all everywhere are connected to one thing, and that's God, whatever we want to call it, the source, God, ether, whatever we want to call it blank, That thing that the source of whatever we come from.

1:18:17 Speaker 1: All of it goes back to that. You could smash the radio up, right, but ninety four point five is still going to come through, right. It's our brain is simply the receiver of the signal, which is the consciousness. So I'm kiss one oh eight, right, I'm one o seven point nine, you're ninety four point five. You know, each one, everyone's assigned, not assigned, but for the analogy, everyone's got a different little radio station, and we all report back, and we're all experiencing the world on a physical level and returning that information.

1:18:55 Speaker 1: You could argue that our job here on planet Earth is to experience, right, It's to make memories, it's to fail, it's to like, if you really want to get you, if you want to break the human the condition down. We're not here to do nine to five. We're not here to slave away behind a desk. We're not designed for that. What we're designed for it seems is this self reflection, this ability to look at our surroundings, know that we're doing we're all gonna die like and then live as every day could be your last, right because it could.

1:19:42 Speaker 1: So you know what time is? Time? Time is? We know it's a construct. All it is is a bunch of nows right now, right now, right now, right now, right now, compiled upon each other. And then the way we view it is linear because that's the way our brain is perceiving. It is a linear start to finish. But time, you know, itself, is probably a fundamental force like gravity. So to round it about because I don't want to just like rant and rave about my thoughts, but I think the one thing the universe isn't It is not simple, it's not wasteful, and I just think if we sprout up and then we die, it's just it just seems like a waste to me.

1:20:39 Speaker 2: Well, in the movie Contact, when she sees you know, she sees her dad that's how you know, And she says, why this way? He says, the way it's always been done. It's the way it was set up, you know, with Cody Foster at the end when she sees her dad, still never getting any answers as to who we are, what we are, why we are. But like you had said earlier, that's how we hope it is that we meet him in the afterlife. You know that he had passed away early in her you know, when she was younger, and she sees him, you know, supposedly.

1:21:13 Speaker 2: I don't know if necessarily. I think we were created a certain way and we're fighting the way we're forced to live because we don't want to be the slaves that we are. And I believe that is the energy and that is that's the the universal energies that we were not born to be a slave. However, it's all we know. You either work, create generate revenue, or you live on the street and die. That's sure, those are your choices. Because we are we have you know, we live in a very uncivilized world, and we live in a very fast paced world at this point.

1:21:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's very accelerated. When I say accelerated, you taking a you take a guy who say, guy's been in a joint for twenty five years, he comes out of the joint. The whole world's different. Man, it's operating, it's vibing at an alarming speed. The sounds, the noises are insane. It's hard to adjust. And like you had, you know, like like you had said, I think we were here for a purpose we're not allowed to find out about. Yet I think it's being I think we're suppressed through that.

1:22:38 Speaker 1: Again, so you think that someone is suppressing what our true nature is to hold us back in some sort of like like you know, it's like keeping the sheep sheep, right, keeping the peasants peasants, Yeah, exactly, yes, perfect.

1:23:00 Speaker 2: Here, here's some fat, go enjoy. It doesn't go away.

1:23:06 Speaker 1: Now. Not everyone can be a pharaoh, right, you know what.

1:23:10 Speaker 2: But the way we're studying seeing and when you think in the in the mindset of a human, we look to something that has to lead us. We need somebody to lead us to follow. In the movie The Formula, Great movie, Georgey Scott, Marlon Brando and Georgey Scott's sitting across the desk from Marlon Brando and they're having discussion about people and in so many words, Marlon Brando, who he is a oil baron. Georgey Scott is the sergeant in the l A Police Department and Marlon Brando says that Georgey Scott, Barnie Barnie, Barnie Barney, human beings are are a paradix and there are dangerous animal.

1:23:55 Speaker 2: They're not looking, they're not looking to be leaders. They're looking for some nut to come along that they can follow. And to me, it was a pretty powerful line in the movie because it seems like everybody needs to look at somebody for justification on why they think the way they think. And that's my guy, that's my guy. Yeah, actually we think alike, and we were forever propping up stool samples of human beings to to lead us to what into a brick wall, it seems right. So it's like that scene at Animal House, remember the parade in the Animal House.

1:24:34 Speaker 2: Everybody's following the guy he makes what's his name from from the from Animal makes a left turn in the alley. Everybody's following him. Nobody's looking in front or just following them. They all the whole banner crashes right into a brick wall, right into the brick walls, like nobody paying attention, just follow the leader. Nobody's yeah, no, one's.

1:24:56 Speaker 1: No, one's yeah. That's a very good analogy. Actually it's a good visual weird weird, Yeah, very weird. So let's assume let's assume that UFOs represent a genuine non human intelligence. What do you think what I mean, what do you think would be the most disruptive truth for humanity to learn?

1:25:26 Speaker 2: I answer a good question today, What do you think that? Because I'm very open to it. That's why I ask you.

1:25:35 Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, no, I understand. I like the discussion based thing. What I think the most disruptive truth would be is that these beings are part of, if not the whole, reason we're here, right, because it would upend most religion as it sees as it stands, if you know, like we take something like panspermia and the idea of the cosmos being seated by another intelligence. Right. I don't know if we're ready as a species to know and to meet our creator, right, to be face to face with our creator and be able to understand each other in a way that doesn't include some sort of hierarchical I mean, it may be a good thing.

1:26:38 Speaker 2: It might be.

1:26:39 Speaker 1: It could end up being a good thing because maybe we do need someone to like backhand us every now and then, Like we we clearly haven't figured this shit out yet, and I just find it. I find it odd how every ancient culture, every ancient almost every single one across the globe, and what we're taught in school is that there was no cross con minimal cross continent contact. And I find that hard to believe for many reasons, but I won't get into all of them. However, every single one of them talks about this, these deities coming from the sky or coming from the ocean, or coming from inside the earth, seating them with knowledge, vowing to return and leaving.

1:27:33 Speaker 1: Why is everyone and then you build these monuments that we can't fucking understand how they did it all?

1:27:43 Speaker 2: Just to.

1:27:46 Speaker 1: What work a Thursday night? They built the pyramids. There's no bodies ever found in them. I admit that grave robbers and stuff are a thing, but no pyramid that's ever been found has had an actual body in it. So what are these things? And what who are the are ancient civilizations talking about? Well, there to Plato, and you could argue whether Plato is, you know, talking about Atlantis, and whether it was hyperbole or not. It's it's.

1:28:21 Speaker 2: They didn't know, you know. Again, they didn't know what they were looking at back then either possibly, I don't know, none of us were there. All we have is myth legend, story sananscript. We don't. It's so you can sit here all for ten years and talk about these things, and you know what, a guy like and a guy like you and a guy like me can argue both sides of the argument, because it's just you don't know, and you as a person wants to get to the truth, to get to the reality. You really want to understand.

1:29:03 Speaker 2: You want to understand. But then what are you trying to understand. You're getting bits and pieces of stuff going back thousands and thousands of years, and then you're trying to assess what it means. It's hard to do that if you if you look at human nature, the only thing you can be asshured of is that people killed to keep it quiet, People hit it, and people change the stories because they didn't want the people to know. Nothing change, Nothing changes, but time we're fighting, discussing, arguing, killing, or the same shit for thousands of years.

1:29:44 Speaker 1: Nothing new under the sun.

1:29:46 Speaker 2: Nothing We ain't figured it out yet. So maybe it's a little truth might help, because maybe that's what you would finally kick us in the ass and say no, you are an asshole and you are a piece of shit wrong for doing the way the thing you've been doing. This is the right way. This is the only way you're going to join the rest of the universe. Uh, you know, you're in a dimension. They're in a dimension we're in. I don't know what what that looks like, but I certainly think that we the truth will set us free either one way, And even in the book, in the book, it's like look, and that was the whole idea of the tagline.

1:30:30 Speaker 2: The tagline is when all the conspiracies become reality, will the truth really set us free? Are we ready for it? Can we handle it? Will we fight each other or fight for each other? Which is exactly what we go through today. We either we're fighting, fighting against each other and fighting for each other. Eventually, you all, we all have to come together. But what is going to be that uniting factor? I don't know, disclosure, Maybe.

1:30:59 Speaker 1: I think it could be.

1:31:00 Speaker 2: I do, and I really I really do. Look at least it would answer some damned questions that I've had since you know, Chariots of the Gods and Jonathan Livingston seagul since I was a kid, you know, and everything you want to know about sex, but we're afraid to ask. That's the other one.

1:31:22 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, Oh, I mean.

1:31:26 Speaker 2: It's a it's a good question and it can emit a thousand different feelings, a thousand different answers.

1:31:34 Speaker 1: Do you do you have a favorite case? Do you have a favorite UFO case?

1:31:41 Speaker 2: Yes, Betty and Barney Hill.

1:31:44 Speaker 1: Oh, no, ship, Yeah, why that's.

1:31:48 Speaker 2: One of them. That's one. That's that's do you.

1:31:51 Speaker 1: Want to I know, I know it's been told. You know, I'm also from that area. Yeah. And I know Kathleen Martin and she's their niece. Uh and uh, you know, I've done extensive work or research into this case. So but I'd love to hear you tell me what what is? What do you think happened there?

1:32:14 Speaker 2: I just think it's amazing that a guy and his wife, for all the years that they kept giving him Wie detectors and asking them the questions over and over and over, nothing changed. This guy had nothing to gain. He was he was a black guy, married a white woman on the East code. What his kinetic was it? No?

1:32:34 Speaker 1: Hampshire right, Rampshire and he again interracial?

1:32:39 Speaker 2: Interracial In the sixties, early sixties and he.

1:32:43 Speaker 1: Was part of the ns NCAAP or whatever.

1:32:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, well he was. He was a male man, right, And I believe she was she a social worker. What was she?

1:32:51 Speaker 1: Yes, she was a social worker.

1:32:53 Speaker 2: So you're just two regular people. They're never involved in shipping her life. Man, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, they report an experience, just like those guys, those lumber dudes that were down and out was erogon. So yeah, find they're gone. You know, these these are things. No matter how through the years that these people were questioned, everything was exactly the same. The story remained the same, nothing changed. They experienced something, Man, you can't dismiss that, and there's no reason for him to come out of nowhere and do that, you know.

1:33:34 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just that's knowing my works is. That's an anomaly in all of it. You know, I don't care if it was Project Saucer, Project Sign, Project Grudge, which in a project blue book, all whatever they experienced, they would have tried to explain a way in those projects. And there's no way to explain that those ways. There's no way to explain those guys experience who were cutting trees. Now, there's no way to explain away with Betty and Barney Hill experience. They weren't swump to weed, they weren't doing ass.

1:34:08 Speaker 2: So they were just drying and their normal people doing their thing, going going wherever they were going. And I don't know her boom they get abducted. That's what they said. And I am apt to believe those stories. I'm also have to believe the fifty story. In fifty two, you can't get on. I don't know if you're familiar with the ship that happened here, I.

1:34:31 Speaker 1: Don't hear, And of course I am. Yeah, so punches sitting on the you.

1:34:39 Speaker 2: Don't tell me. I'm looking at swamp gas. They stick appearance.

1:34:44 Speaker 1: It's both, you know, they said that They said that one was a punch hoole.

1:34:48 Speaker 2: Cloud yeah, yeah, right yeah, and like reflection.

1:34:53 Speaker 1: Or yeah, the pilots were seeing it.

1:34:56 Speaker 2: People in thousands of people were there.

1:35:00 Speaker 1: Yeah. That air incident is something that fucking baffles me.

1:35:07 Speaker 2: That Arizona incident in ninety six. Yep.

1:35:10 Speaker 1: Phoenix lights, Yeah.

1:35:11 Speaker 2: The Phoenix lights. You know, like I said, there's a lot of crackpop crazy shit out there. There really is, and it does no good for any anything about disclosure. It doesn't help the know And it's just I want the hardest, I expect that the most proof you can give me to even get me to believe it. And while there's a bunch of them, there's more bullshit stories or there are ways to explain a lot of this stuff away. But then their stories like what we were just talking about, also that story, the story in four It was the end of the eighteen hundreds in Aurora, Texas, right if you want to google and look it up, Aurora, Texas.

1:36:00 Speaker 2: A craft supposedly crashed. They won't let anybody near and know what happened is that the people they they bury it. Nobody, they won't let anybody go near it.

1:36:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's it's crazy.

1:36:14 Speaker 2: So and what that does is it makes you suspicious tie as a human being. It's like, okay, well, why why can't I know about this? Why? So that's and then that's how the conspiracies occur, because then you believe because you know human beings are bullshitters and liars, and you know that you're being you assume you're being lied to because they refuse to tell you that it happened, or you know, they're not they're not willing to tell you that it happened, and I'll just tell you go about your date. Nothing, you know, like, yeah, naked gun, nothing here, at least disperse nothing.

1:36:50 Speaker 1: Have you heard of the Varginia Brazil?

1:36:53 Speaker 2: Yeah? Brazil? Yeah?

1:36:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you make that one? I don't know.

1:36:58 Speaker 2: It's weird, man, because you got the did they ever identify what was on the ball? Was it sanscript or what was the language that was on the ball itself?

1:37:08 Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, no no no, that's that's that is the buga sphere.

1:37:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay, Yeah, that's right now. I'm talking about that Brazil in ninety six.

1:37:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, in ninety six where so the three girls, but they cordoned off like a lot of the area. And you know, the three girls I find to be because you know, the neuroscientists everyone spoke about this smell of sulfur, right, and then the girls when they see the being it is, it's got protrusions in its head, it's got red eyes. And you know when when Carlos Desusa and the farmers saw the craft going down, there was this white vapor coming out the back of the cigar shaped craft, and it was wobbling. It was clearly in trouble.

1:38:10 Speaker 1: Carlos was a pilot and he identified that there was a problem right away, so much so that he turned off because he was like, they are going to need help, right And the farmers see it coming down because it's coming down over their land and they see it wobbling and spewing out this vapor. So and there's also a river right there. There is a river close by the one that would go from the crash site all the way into our Genia, the city. So because I'm friends with some of the main researcher marco Leal who picked up the story, picked the ball up on the story and did the film with James Fox and all that.

1:38:55 Speaker 1: But the girls see the being and it's got red eyes, smells like sulfur, and it's got protrusions that make it seem like it has horns. Now what does that sound like to you?

1:39:10 Speaker 2: Well, two thousand years ago to people then it would have sounded like Satan.

1:39:16 Speaker 1: But also in South America where they're very culturally, they're very culturally religious. Yeah, they thought they saw a demon.

1:39:29 Speaker 2: That's why I said, Satan demon yeah, yeah.

1:39:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, so but even in ninety six, they ran home thinking they saw a demon and then that smell of sulfur, So like, what if our ancestors mistook these beings? And the reason I think that the being was hiding because they had this slot, like thin layer of like something on them. And that's how the military guy died was he grabbed. So there was multiple beings and Marco shariz they were doing a patrol, him and Eric Lopes, and they were told to be on the lookout for anything weird and they're patrolling the city.

1:40:09 Speaker 1: They weren't even told. Yeah, they weren't told what it was. And they're just be on the lookover something weird and they're driving and then this thing runs in front of the car. So Marco gets out and he bear hugs it and he gets cut in the interaction, and he's bear hugging the thing but it's it's definitely injured and he's he holds it all the way to the hospital. They bring it into the hospital and then two weeks later, Marco Sharizi dies of a bacterial infection. That just doesn't make sense.

1:40:43 Speaker 1: They threw the kitchen sink at this guy and he just and he just his body rejected everything. So what it leads me to believe about the beings, if the beings, if everything is true, is that they're most likely aquatic being or they're from a star that is very old.

1:41:06 Speaker 2: And well, that particular being, that particular being.

1:41:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, the red eyes, the sulfuric smell, and the vapor that was coming out the back, and then the river, and they were hiding from the sun. When the girls saw the being, it was crouched away from the sun because it was it was December and it was really hot there because that's their summer, so it didn't the heat was clearly affecting it and making it weak. And they moved at night primarily, or they tried to move at night primarily. And I think they used the river to get to Virginia in the first place.

1:41:47 Speaker 1: That's beside the point. But I think our ancestors, what if they're seeing these things, and what if they are the beings that came here and and had relationships with our ancestors on a different level, on a closer contact level, and then they were you know what was actually technology is then spoken about like it's god god like, like a deity for all intentsive purpose it is, you know, and.

1:42:21 Speaker 2: When you're talking about them going you know, when you go back to the Betty and Barney Hill, you know, the most the most amazing thing about that story too, is that she was able to draw Zeta star map.

1:42:33 Speaker 1: Yep, what is it?

1:42:35 Speaker 2: What would this woman who knows? Probably who knows? I mean, you're two years into the Twilight Zone, the Honor Limits hasn't even shown up yet, you had a couple of Mars movies. What the hell would she know about Zaeta reticuli? And she draws this map and then a few years later under it most they reversed the map and Zeta reticuli. How is she going to know about that? You know? So that was another thing about her story that really pulls me in. But when you're talking about what people saw two thousand years, it goes back to what I like, I said, when you had a lamb in the fourteen hundreds, or if you had a car, somebody say, you know, they discover a car in fourteen fifty in the mountains somewhere.

1:43:20 Speaker 2: W knows what the hell they're looking at. You know, they don't know what it is. They won't even know, what do you touch it? What do you do?

1:43:26 Speaker 1: It?

1:43:26 Speaker 2: Doesn't believe they wouldn't know. Back then, nobody would have known what the hell they were looking at either, so I you know, And then all goes back to really having to have a seriously high threshold to prove any of this stuff because everybody thinks there's a boogeyman around the corner, and they're not necessarily one. But there are stories that you just cannot kissed right off man, right, you know, writing off you know that it is possible two thousand years ago, but today when someone you know, with someone like what you had experienced and you know, I don't even know, you know, with the dal with D M T. You know, I don't.

1:44:13 Speaker 2: It's weird. You know, well you experienced it. I never did, you know. But when you take back to Roger Corman's movies. Are you familiar with Roger Corman?

1:44:21 Speaker 1: Yeah?

1:44:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, think back to the Trip, right, everybody's everybody is, you know, popping troops and ascid and tripping out and doing LSD. Is it your mind that goes into hyper you know, goes into hyper gear or are you is that opening up your mind which then the energy from your mind is able to find another pathway, another dimension where you experience all of this stuff. It's it's hard to say, you know, it's hard to say whether it's your imagination in high gear or if you're really genuinely being transported, because whatever that is is now open up the pathway for your mind to go elsewhere.

1:45:06 Speaker 2: And Roger Corman's movies, you know some of them are you know, the Trip being one of them, and Gas was another one. And then you think back to Alice be Topeless with Peter Sellers, with the whole hippie culture and the drug culture makes you wonder about, you know what the reality we have now are we really can we really experience a different reality with different drugs. I'm not willing to try any of it, and I don't begrudge anybody who does. I really don't, you know, to each their own, man. I have a great friend who swears by it.

1:45:41 Speaker 2: You know, It's like, look, dude, you knock yourself to their own, To each their own, man, I don't think any different anybody. I drink Scotch. Lots of people look at me like I'm a tree headed alien. You drink scott I'm like, look, it's got to be single malt, nothing but single month. Want any of that JB ship from the sixties, No, thank you, Cutting Star. You know, it's got to be McCallen, single Malt. It's got to be. But it's got to be a call. But again to each their own, you know. And yeah, when it comes to this disclosure stuff, I really really hope that we can finally get to some truth.

1:46:21 Speaker 2: I hope the ship doesn't just blow over because we're we're at a real critical point with it. I don't really we're at a critical point because it's so out the open now. And that was the thing about you know, like the age of disclosure, right, A lot of people like you and I are deeper into this ship than the average person, you know what I mean. It's like a person who's in the real rock and roll, realid the Moody Blues fans. Yeah, you know, but the average person's like we I like Alesmith, I like Jimmy Hidvick.

1:46:52 Speaker 2: But when you get deeper into the rock stuff, you know, and the guys who are like Bowie and more of the more progressive stuff or if you want to that Genoesip or Rush or whatever, you know, versus the average rock and roller who was just into the brand names

1:47:09 Speaker 2: level yeah, and Agent disclosure you know, I call it, you know, the UFO movie for dummies because the average person, while we may know people who watch the show, maybe me deep in the Ship god Us, which great, the average person is too busy with their dayre living, so this isn't a focus of their their mind and when they do. It was produced to reach those people, not me and you, because we already know about a lot of this stuff. The average person had no clue. Think of how many people now what do they call them nornies or whatever?

1:47:49 Speaker 2: How many the average people are actually talking about it and curious about it now? So you get hit with agent disclosure right then you get hit with disclosure Day with Spie a virtual movie. Like it or not, I don't care. I mean I liked it. It was fine. I went there for the entertainment. Plus I wanted to see what he used as the foundation for his story versus the foundation I used for my story. And it was interesting, it was cool. And then S four you know, do you had Luigi on last week?

1:48:21 Speaker 5: Yes?

1:48:22 Speaker 2: I mean he and look I told you like I said Luigi reminded me of that just because he's Italian, but he reminded me a lot of me because he's like, what have I got to lose? I'm gonna give this guy a call. See what he says. Let's see what I mean. Might roll the dice. If you don't, look, man, if you don't roll the dice, you can't win, and you can't cramp out. You just sit there and watch the game. I don't like to watch the game. I want to play it.

1:48:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's a good point. That's and that Luigi is very much I mean, I don't think a lot of people realize like they call it like because afterwards I didn't. I didn't even believe it at first, but afterward I started going back and seeing it, and people do they call him like a grifter and stuff, and I'm like, you know, he spent like almost three million dollars total on this movie.

1:49:10 Speaker 2: But that guy worked his ass off. He put a lot into that because he believed in it. That's right, because he believed. And you know, until you get a labor of love and put your time and your work in the ship, you don't, you don't. You don't get an opportunity to ship on someone who did, because usually the people are sit there and staring and passing judgment and a guy like that could kiss my ass.

1:49:30 Speaker 1: And honestly, most of the time they're just jealous of what you're doing because they.

1:49:37 Speaker 2: It's a shallow mindset though time. It's a shallow mindset that does that because they're not inquisitive enough to ask the questions or be curious enough to know about what his motivation was. Uh, you could see he put a lot into that man. Even in the interview, he was very passionate about it. You can't you can't pull off bullshit like that. He was. He was very passionate. He worked harder, he didn't think he was going to get it. He got more than even thought he was ever going to get. Opened his door to him, opened his family to him, they broke a little bread with each other.

1:50:09 Speaker 2: I mean, man, in all the years, you hope for something like that, if that's what your goal, what his goal was, and he not only achieved his goal, he surpassed it. Yeah, it was. It was a great interview, and it was you know, a lot of a lot of respect because again, I don't worship people. I admire achievements, and that's one hell of an achievement, especially to get the movie released. Because as you and I both know the movie industry, you know to me to be will give you forty seven cents for your movie.

1:50:42 Speaker 2: Great, my movie's on to me. Okay, great, good luck paying your actors. And if you did a you know, a sag low budget shit, you'll be eating you know, a star kissed, sharing it with a dog in his tuba in the alley because you won't make enough money to pay anything. Yeah, got that movie, not only to get it done, he got distribution. That man, that's that. It is not easy to do. There's a there's a lot of work that goes into once you're not only once you're done shooting, and you got to edit, and you got to get a distributor.

1:51:16 Speaker 2: To believe it, you get it distributed, and pray to God you can get your money back so you're not living like some bust out the rest of your life. It's a lot of work. Yeah, you know, he deserves to be commended for that.

1:51:28 Speaker 1: And that is not that's not grifting. That is a return. That is a that is like he said to me, which is it's an investment with no guarantee of return, right, no guarantee of return.

1:51:43 Speaker 2: Right.

1:51:43 Speaker 1: He set out, made it and then had to go out and you know, display it and through it. You know that process. I know that process, but the general person doesn't know how hard it is and how much of a risk you are taking. He had told me, is I think in the interview, So I think it's okay to say he had told me that if that movie didn't work, he would have bankrupted his company.

1:52:08 Speaker 2: M hmm.

1:52:09 Speaker 1: That's a fucking drifter.

1:52:11 Speaker 2: No. And here's what people don't understand. Now that he's got a name. It's not like he came out of nowhere. He's been struggling trying to make shit happen for years. He finally made shit. People don't just come out of nowhere. Yes, there's years of that roller coaster ride behind them, years of failure. It almost could have happened.

1:52:35 Speaker 1: And I know close two, you know, and I know I know a couple of people that came out of nowhere that make me question.

1:52:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, A Well, there's a lot of installed people in many, many parts of the world. They are installed. But for Luigi Luigi, but he you know, no yeah, not not Luigi for the rest saying his hands off to a guy like that, because and this is a dirty little secrets in the entertainment business, whether an actor, whether you're a writer, whether you're a singer, whatever, you ain't guaranteed to make dollar one, Okay. You need to appeal to massive amounts a massive amount of people to generate revenue, to generate income to live your life.

1:53:22 Speaker 2: If people don't dig what you're doing, then you become a miserable artist that people are stupid. They don't like that, and they're just not smart enough to like what I'm doing. No, that's just it. If you don't relate to people, you're not gonna make dollar one as an entertainer. That's it. That's the way the world works. I don't have to like what you do. You don't have to like what I do. Your life will be fine without me. My life will be fine without you. You know. As an artist, you're not guaranteed anything.

1:53:51 Speaker 2: And my mom told me that my mother was blessed when she was alive to be able to make a living as a professional singer as a jingle singer, background singer, studio session as session singer. You know, there's not a lot of people who are blessed to be able to do with they what they love to make a living. A lot of us are, you know, struggling actors. You know, I didn't want to be a struggling actor, so I really didn't chase it because I didn't want to know, as you know, I don't want to go through the weirdness of the entire industry.

1:54:25 Speaker 2: And whenever I got a part in something, the people would look at me like I was, you know, what, what is he doing here? Because I didn't hang out and help the legs of all the freaks in a state at some theater with a bunch of other starving artists. I'm not willing to do that, man, you know. And it doesn't make me or them good or bad, but it makes somebody who wants to look down at me because I choose not to do it. You know, they look at me, go, well, you should be here and they're working there and they craft.

1:54:54 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not chasing it, bro. You know you're chasing it. Good lucky. You may never catch it, and you're going to be better your entire life if you don't catch it. Being I you know, I bounce around and do a bunch of different things, and it's sad because there's you know, it's just there's only room for so much entertainment in people's lives.

1:55:18 Speaker 1: And that and that is what the competition is for now, with all the social media, with all the with all the the media, it's a game of how do we capture and keep people's attention for the longest amount of time.

1:55:36 Speaker 2: And then the algorithms are doing that now. Now the algorithms are doing that for people. Yeah, you know, it's if you put something up in an eight minutes, if it doesn't get thirty six clicks, the algorithm already passed your by.

1:55:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's determined. It's determined that this post is not worthy of engagement.

1:55:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you talk about the ultimate miserable wiki. That's what the algorithm is. It's a sick, demented quikiss me off. Because if it doesn't, you can have the greatest content on the face of the earth. If the algorithm doesn't pick it up, you ain't going nowhere. That's a shame. It's like, look on YouTube or Facebook. Okay, you can have fifteen thousand people following you on Facebook, you put a post out and you get nine people engage in it, right, But then Facebook all of a sudden will say, hey, how'd you like to boost this post?

1:56:36 Speaker 2: It's like, why did I want to? I have fifteen thousand.

1:56:41 Speaker 1: They're selling fucking clicks to you.

1:56:45 Speaker 2: Well, it's like, why would I pay you to reach these fifteen thousand people already said they want to see what I'm posting? Why do I need to pay you for? I built your frigging PlantForm? You have low life, maggot.

1:56:58 Speaker 1: That is one of the craziest things. By the way, Yes, I'm surprised that someone hasn't mentioned that sooner. You're the first person to bring that up. That is fucking I was there at the beginning.

1:57:09 Speaker 2: I was there at the beginning, so I know what they did. That's why I always.

1:57:11 Speaker 1: Mentioned it, right, they're model. Essentially, what they're telling you is is that you know, like the dopamine, it hits you get when like someone likes something, and like, yeah, you're they're selling that now essentially right, like oh, we'll get you know, pay ten bucks and we'll we'll get you know, guarantee that you'll get this many fucking likes and dopamine dings like it's crazy. It's all right.

1:57:42 Speaker 2: There, Look and think about this. The CPM you're for, people are watching a CPM has cost per magagine. So yeah, so for every thousand. Here's how it works for you know, the way it used to work for audio ad insertion when I work with lightning cash.

1:57:59 Speaker 1: Now it's said's still this.

1:58:01 Speaker 2: You know, we developed the actual ad insarch and technology with lightning cast peck and around to say ninety seven ninety eight, which inserts the audio ads in the audio streams. And then that the lightning Cast sold out to AOL. I can't think it was maybe two thousand and one, two thousand and two, you can look it up. Anyways, the CPM, it's costs per thousand, for lack of a better term. So say I got ten bucks and you're gonna charge me ten dollars to reach a thousand people. So I give you ten bucks.

1:58:38 Speaker 2: Your system keeps delivering the ads till I get to a thousand people. That's it. So a thousand people will get my commercial for ten bucks or my banner ad or whatever it is. Well, now the way this shit works like on Facebook, Hey, how would you like to reach one hundred and fifteen people for twenty two dollars. I'm to break that down. CPM is astronomical. The CPMs have gone in reverse. They shouldn't have gone up, but they have jacked everything to the mood. And remember you as you you are watching this, you're the ones who built the We all built YouTube.

1:59:16 Speaker 2: The YouTube basically started out as a legal, illegal bootlegging operation. And because the record labels and the movie and the studios were all asleep at the wheel, and the bean collars were too busy in the closet playing circle jerk with each other, they missed the whole thing. Yes, they got so big because it changed, you know, there was a paradigm shift and how media is now delivered to people. The same thing with Napster. They missed the whole book. All the record companies had to do was saying, okay, this is cool.

1:59:49 Speaker 2: That's all five the major labels. We're going to buy an ampster and this is how we're going to distribute technology. No, rather than do that, they focked the technology. You got the rass is handed to them because it didn't matter anymore. They couldn't do anything to stop the technology because there's a million people creating all of these technologies that made things easier and better for people, and the gatekeepers couldn't hold it back. Same thing with YouTube. When YouTube comes along, all of a sudden, people are uploading you know, Bob Seinger and you know video, the video that.

2:00:21 Speaker 2: So before you know, there's one hundred and fifty million videos. There's nothing stopping the stuff and going up. Yep, because you're talking two thousand and four, two thousand and five. Well, YouTube gets launched. Whenever it gets launched, none of the systems were there to protect. So what you can do. You're going to people, you got three billion people now using YouTube, you know something was YouTube anymore and take it down. No, they had to create the deals well based on percentages or you know, per play person, and people built YouTube.

2:00:54 Speaker 2: People built all of it. They built MySpace, they built the the chat rooms and the groups and Aol and we all sit here and pay for it. It's unbelievable. Apple Music did the same thing with all the radio stations, and we were in streaming and they had addicted to radio and club dot FM, Windows Media. They hoard everybody out in the beginning, and then once they developed and then once after the two thousand and seven s WA small podcasters, they came along, they screwed every independent streamer, put their own stations in, and everybody got knocked out the box.

2:01:32 Speaker 1: You know.

2:01:32 Speaker 2: It's the way that they operate is you build the content and then they turn around and stick the knife in your back. And that's what they're doing right now with the social media platforms. The years I worked with Hulu before Hulu was even Hulu.

2:01:47 Speaker 1: Right now it's being absorbed by Disney, and Disney's dissolving it.

2:01:51 Speaker 2: Well, look at Roku Roku just Fox just bought Roku for twenty two billion.

2:01:56 Speaker 1: But isn't Fox owned by Disney as well?

2:01:59 Speaker 2: No, no, Fox, it's own. They just bought Roku for twenty two billion, and mark my words. You know, look, this is the way the world works. You could either fight it or figure out a way on how to profit from it, because you ain't gonna stop any of this shift from happening. The vertical drama platforms, there's about five of them that are tops right now. There's Pine Pine Box, which is Teak Tiktoks. There's Candy Jar, There's Real Drama, Real Shorts, Drama Box, a couple others. They're sucking in all of these productions, all these vertical platform productions.

2:02:38 Speaker 2: If you know the vertical platform is there the two and a half minutes of video about forty fifty episodes at hook and Hooky and Hooki, and you watch them, you pay to keep watching them. It's about an eight billion dollar industry now within three years, So mark my words. In the next year or two, Amazon, somebody's gonna come along and say, hey, Drama Box, here, bring billion dollars we want to buy you. Guess what, all those people who signed production deals, you ain't getting a shit. You get nothing because you didn't sign.

2:03:10 Speaker 2: If you didn't sign the structure your deal, right, they own you. They own your production. Or you were just a work for hire producer and the way hire actor who came in you got paid the ULB ultra low budget whatever the shit is now they call it it SAG. You got screwed and you as a producer, they might have paid your twenty grand, but guess what, Forty of your jobs are sitting up on one of them platforms that just sold out for three billion dollars and they gave you a subsam you made a you got a sub sandwich and a bowl of soup.

2:03:42 Speaker 2: That's what you have for your work. Yeah, that's it. It's gonna happen the way it's gonna happen. Well, I'm at the point, like with the vertical dramas, I would love to turn Hitting Powers Disclosure from Within into a vertical drama, but not right now. The book is coming out in the next month and a half. But I do have two other shows that I've sold to these platforms, and I retain ownership of the shows.

2:04:06 Speaker 1: Right, So you're talking about like the Master.

2:04:10 Speaker 2: Well, I own the show. So if they sell, if they sell the network, they have a choice. Whoever buys it can buy buy the show for me, or they can just shed it. Exactly. It's all We're taking it off the network. Okay, oh thanks, I got my money out of it.

2:04:26 Speaker 1: I don't care, right, but I'm not.

2:04:28 Speaker 2: I mean, you build an entire platform like Facebook and YouTube and a lot of people. You know, if you're watching and you guys are into this production, you've got to be really cognizant of this stuff. If you're in, don't let these people steal your work for pennies and a dollar. Man, don't do it to yourself. Yeah, that's what Atlantic Records did back in forty eight. When I'm in his brother I haven't again and his brother they're driving around the South buying, you know, whole catalogs from recording artists of music for fifty cents fifty cents per per song.

2:04:59 Speaker 2: So now they build up this huge catalog, right, and then Atlamic Records becomes you know, the end all be all. You got Aretha Franklin, you got all these other artists and they and they own all of these catalogs of music they want and bought it from people who were struggling. They gave them pennies on the dollar, and it made them worth billions of dollars. I don't begrudge anybody for honestly, I don't because you have a right to do that. But you should also have a right to know what I'm telling you, to be on the lookout for that stuff, right.

2:05:33 Speaker 2: You don't want to get you don't want to get screwed. You know, why would you want to make somebody else? Sometimes the amount of money you make off of your work.

2:05:40 Speaker 1: Which exactly exactly, and that's the moral of it. Like the recording artists got fucked. The you know, the writers get fucked anyone who's not the CEO. And like, you know, again, we can talk about the inner circles. Right, the closer you are, it's up.

2:06:01 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, But Peter, look remember Ty, you and I we can argue both sides of any argument. Right, but go to the artist side. Let's go to the recording artist. Right. The record label comes to me as an artist and says, OK, we're gonna sign you. We're gonna give you an eight hundred thousand dollars advance. Okay, I'm gonna give you a hundred grand up front. You're gonna report in our studios. You're gonna report it, and we're gonna discount you in our studios. So instead of one hundred and fifty an hour, you're only gonna pay seventy an hour in our studio.

2:06:32 Speaker 2: So we gave you eight hundred. Now you're racking up the studio. Then you tell the Then you say, hey, I need chicks, I need to do some blow. I need a big party, I need an entourage, I need limos. Well, next thing, you know, you got to go back to the label and say, hey, man, I need another two hundred and fifty thousand. Now you are into the label. Who is your banker? They said, what do you do? Would you give some but one point one point five million dollars on one million dollars? Would say, just pay me back whenever you can.

2:07:05 Speaker 2: No, you would, Nobody would do that. So now the artist is and what they call recoop. So now you're in recoop. You owe the label a million dollars. So before they even give you dollar one from your sales, you got to pay them back.

2:07:19 Speaker 1: And you've oh, you're yeah you That's what happened with Drake at Artists because most recently Drake and I don't like Drake, I really don't care for him. But so he was contractually obligated for like three more albums, right, and he instead of just like you know, over the next six years doing one album every two years.

2:07:47 Speaker 2: He got enough ship, and he got enough ship in the vault where you can spin them out in an hour.

2:07:51 Speaker 1: He fucking put three albums together and dropped it all at once, took his masters and went independent.

2:07:58 Speaker 2: Hm. That was you can do that when you're drink.

2:08:02 Speaker 1: You can't do that, right, right, you can't do that?

2:08:05 Speaker 2: And I can't do that, but he can do that, right, right, It's easy to be a saint when you were a sinner before.

2:08:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, like the artists are are realizing that the masters are where the money is.

2:08:19 Speaker 2: Money. You got to own your work exactly work, you have to, and you can't put yourself in a compromising, compromising position where you owe them tons and tons of money, where you can ever get your work back. That's your work. So here's an idea. Quit banging hookers, quit renting limos, Quit drinking sixty five thousand dollars bottles of champagne. You don't need to snort a mountain of blow every week to go do a party at some Medim festival. And why don't you try and hang on the sum of your money.

2:08:45 Speaker 2: See, that's the other side of the coin. We went through that. I went through this with when we had SOS Records and the head of artists who was lost in Russia.

2:08:55 Speaker 1: In Russia, Oh that's good to be lost.

2:08:59 Speaker 2: Spent a ton of money and it's like, look, okay, yeah, we're fronting you the money, but you're paying your bad This is I didn't tell you to spend sixty five thousand dollars on that at thirty thousand. You chose to do that, so you got to We'll give it to you, but you got to pay us back. So, like I said, you can argue both side. There's artists who are wonderful who never did any of that shit. You got screwed, dude. Every situation is unique. Same thing with writers and authors. If you sign a bad deal with a publisher, if anywhere into the arts, anywhere where you produce something that someone else is going to release for you, you have to carefully craft that deal so you benefit from it and you're never behind the eight ball on it.

2:09:49 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, So as we wrap up, as we wrap up here, you've done obviously you've done, you know with this new project, Hidden Powers Disclosure from Within. It's you said, it's coming out in a couple of months about it.

2:10:08 Speaker 2: Right now, I'm waiting for the final cover graphic and then I'll get you know, the publisher and I are waiting and then one step then the publish, and ill we get ready for launch hopefully end of July. I think it looks like the end of July. So paper backed cardbook, ebook and audiobook.

2:10:27 Speaker 1: Okay, And so this is a.

2:10:33 Speaker 2: Well.

2:10:33 Speaker 1: I mean what it says is it's hidden powers, disclosure from within is it's a political sci fi thriller U that explores global control, alien disclosure, and the hidden systems that operate behind uh the scenes to control how we think, what we think, and why we think the way we do, and that it's all controlled. Is there anything else that you want people to know about the book before it comes out?

2:11:02 Speaker 2: No, I mean there's you know, originally I wrote this as a script, believe it or not.

2:11:06 Speaker 1: I was written as a script, and I did as like as a movie.

2:11:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I wrote it as a script for a feature. And then I was a trying crowd source. But something like this, I'm not raising a hundred million dollars. It's just not gonna happen. That's how I felt. And as I looked at it, and I had some friends look at it, he said, Man, I really want to write more about this person. I want to know more about this person. So I got deeper. I figured, Okay, I'm going to write this as a book because I wanted to get deeper into the characters, deeper into Sarah, deeper into Victoria, deeper into Pint Dalmar deeper in the well dound shows, deeper into these characters, deeper in the president of the US at that time and the premier in China.

2:11:53 Speaker 2: I wanted to get deeper into their mindset. I wanted to get deeper into the arguments that I thought that are you was the nineteen fifty four supposed meeting with Truman at Hollom and with.

2:12:09 Speaker 1: I know, you know, I just recently had his grand great granddaughter on yea, Laura La Laura.

2:12:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's oh god, yeah, yeah, yeah, and she's always she's very.

2:12:22 Speaker 1: Active on so she is very active.

2:12:24 Speaker 2: But I I used that as the foundation. Yeah, you know, like Disclosure Day has its foundation. I had a foundation, and I built a series of what ifs, what if because I thought to myself, holy shit, can you imagine if that really did happen, and that the Nordics and the Grays come to present their idea to not only Ike, to Ike, but to the military brass, to the intelligencia that was there in the industry that Ike would have brought with him to this meeting. And then I mean, you know, if those of you are familiar, if you're familiar with the Federalist papers and those conversations when they went back and forth, the deep, deep conversations and the federalist papers about the best way to govern.

2:13:17 Speaker 2: I thought, wow, could you imagine the conversations that these guys would have all had with each other in nineteen fifty four if this did happen, when they all went off on their own little corner to talk about Okay, here's what the Gray said, here's what the Nordic said. I thought, holy shit, to you, those conversations would have been. So I would have been given anything to be a fly in the law for that one. Literally, you know, because these are deep, deep, deep decisions that they would have that they're going to have to make, that they know are going to affect the world going forward.

2:13:51 Speaker 2: So I used that as the basis, and then I used them a couple of other things, sprinkling a little of this, a little that, And disclosure from within means that somebody on the inside, who was so deeply rooted in the knowledge of anything is the one is the one who discloses. So the disclosure, just like I believe today, it has to come from within. It has to come from somebody who you It's unquestionable. And even then there'll still be questioned. So parallels between what we were talking about tonight and what I wrote into the book.

2:14:30 Speaker 1: I love that. So it's it's it's arguably like you're taking real events and you know, then filling in gaps.

2:14:39 Speaker 2: Of what ifs if they call it speculative fiction.

2:14:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, speculative fiction.

2:14:44 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And what I did is I actually had two trailers made the uh you have time? Can you run that one trailer?

2:14:52 Speaker 1: Yeah?

2:14:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, go all the way to the bottom of that page, the Sala Model Hidden Powers page.

2:15:00 Speaker 1: Oh there's two videos.

2:15:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go all the way to the bottom, let me see you hang out time.

2:15:05 Speaker 1: I got it, I got it.

2:15:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, the one, the one that's on the right. Teaser trailer too. Okay, you'll see teaser trailer one, teaser trailer too.

2:15:18 Speaker 1: So and then you want you want trailer one?

2:15:21 Speaker 2: No trailer too, teaser trailer too.

2:15:25 Speaker 1: All right, here we go put it full screen. Oh god, I'm getting all turned around here.

2:15:47 Speaker 2: I can see it on the screen.

2:15:52 Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to do. Get the bar out. Okay,

2:16:01 Speaker 1: let me know if you can you can hear good? Can you hear it?

2:16:06 Speaker 3: For seventy years they called us paranoid told us to trust the system, trust the science, trust our leaders, while they buried the truth until investigative journalist Sarah.

2:16:20 Speaker 6: Moore uncovered what they never wanted us to see. On October seventeenth, twenty twenty six, whistleblower Victoria Sterling stepped forward and proved every conspiracy was real, every single.

2:16:35 Speaker 2: Bit of it.

2:16:35 Speaker 5: The suppressed cures, the hidden energy technologies, the silenced inventors, the cures for diseases, the answers to our greatest problems, all buried because those in control believed we needed to be managed. In nineteen fifty four, two alien species arrived. One offered partnership, the other offered power used to treat humanity life. It's OK, yeah, it's trillion dollars missing. Seventy years of lies, control and engineered suffering finally exposed.

2:17:16 Speaker 2: They say the truth will set us free? Will it? The world erupted.

2:17:22 Speaker 5: People were terrified, turning to each other and on each other. Economies imploded, institutions crumbled, and then, even with undeniable proof, millions still refused to believe it. Decades of conditioning didn't just blind people, It made them loyal to the very powers that owned them. They defended their cages and their owners because they believed their cages were freedom. What happens when we learn our entire lives were manufactured, When the heroes we trusted betrayed us, When those who were supposed to serve us serve themselves, When we finally realized that wars, diseases, and famines were engineered by those who profited from it all?

2:18:10 Speaker 5: Can we survive the truth if we were never meant to know about it?

2:18:15 Speaker 1: Some of you are ready to fight, some think for the enemy, some no longer know what to believe.

2:18:21 Speaker 2: I understand.

2:18:24 Speaker 5: For seventy years we were conditioned to mistake slavery for freedom. But together we will make sure that never happens again and build a bridge to a better way of life with liberty, justice, and freedom for all. When all the conspiracies become reality, will the truth really set us free?

2:18:46 Speaker 3: Hidden Powers a new book by Sala Motto scheduled for release in twenty twenty six.

2:18:55 Speaker 1: See that's what I wish that to Disclosure Day was like where it actually explored the disclosure and it wasn't.

2:19:11 Speaker 2: So. Yeah that was not to do with spoiler alert.

2:19:16 Speaker 1: Yeah that's great.

2:19:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I agree, that's you know, but you know, I'm happy too because that means turned I'm on the right track because mine is completely different. So I'm good. You know, Yeah, his was his, Mine was mine, and uh, you know cover definitely.

2:19:38 Speaker 1: We should definitely look into uh making that, making that like uh an actual feature film one day. That that would be a good feature film. I think you got I mean the way you originally wrote it as well. Now now it's got source material from the book, but you know, that's that's great. I think it's a great starting point and I think I think that would be a great, great read.

2:20:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really you know, I did about thirty edits of it. You know, by the time I you know, when you're writing, you're forever changing things. You know, it goes this direction. And and I kept emailing, you know, I would email my mom and then I honestly I had about probably had about seventy beta readers once it was finished. I had about seventy beta readers, and they were from all different walks of life, all different points of curiosity. And I said, look, don't sugarcoat it. If you think it sucks, ass, tell me, I don't you know, You're not going to hurt my feelings.

2:20:43 Speaker 2: When I was an actor, you know, you go for ten auditions a month. You're lucky if you get one every other month. So don't worry about hurt my feelings. It's not going to happen here.

2:20:52 Speaker 1: Actually, it's more constructive if you actually know the truth.

2:20:56 Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's like everybody seeing coming to units and inner people said, it's not really my thing. But man, it was a really cool story, but it's not really my thing. Okay, thanks.

2:21:09 Speaker 2: But by the time I got to the final edit, my mom had got really sick. And that's when things started accelerating, because then I thought I was going to have to put it out on my own. But then I got a published. I was querying agents and I gave myself to the end of January twenty twenty six. From October to January, I queried a bunch of agents and if I don't land an agent, I'm going to have to release it on my own. Unfortunately, there was a publisher who saw one of the trailers, got interested and I landed a publisher for it.

2:21:48 Speaker 2: But my mom had passed away on New Year's Day and never got a chance to see the final editor. Thanks, and I'm hoping you know, I'm thinking, okay, so this is your way. You got me a deal. Thank you. Now I got to do something with it. Or I could just be imagining shit too. I don't know, but I know what I want to think.

2:22:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually this show was born from my mother's last moments on earth. So I I'm hard.

2:22:26 Speaker 2: It's hard to go.

2:22:27 Speaker 1: Her death date is four three two one, and in the room I was holding her hand while she passed.

2:22:40 Speaker 2: And then.

2:22:44 Speaker 1: This orb thing. I don't know if it was real. I don't know if it was just me imagining something to ease the whatever was happening. But I saw this ball softball sized thing and it looked like you ever you ever looked up a highway on a hot day and seeing that dispersion blur Yeah, yeah, So ball that up into like a softball, and so it crosses my field of vision and then hooks, so it does the length of the room, So it crosses my field division and then the length I mean the width of the room goes out, goes out the window, and then I did it.

2:23:27 Speaker 1: I can't see it any longer because it's it's just now. Now it's masked by all the environment outside of the house. And when I looked back, my mother is gone, like she had gone. So did I see through the veil for a moment? Did I witness her leaving? Did I imagine it? All I can tell you is it was like her one last way of pushing me because at the time I was doing the podcast, but I wasn't doing this podcast. I was doing them, you know, still in the film industry. I was sober, but I wasn't happy, And it was almost like her she she's she was also there for my UFO sighting.

2:24:15 Speaker 1: It's it's a long story I don't want to get into, but she she's always was my north star, even during sobriety, like even during all that, she was always my north star. And it was like her last nudge. She always had the saying and she was like it was a variation of like, if you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life. She always had this variation on it where she would say, you got to find the questions that you want answered and then chase it down. And that's it was like her last way of saying, you know that the questions you have fucking go chase them and now, so when she took her last breath, Unfortunately, total disclosure was born because I you know, it wasn't I mean, honestly, it was a couple of days later that it came to me.

2:25:12 Speaker 1: But it was because of that that I was like, fuck this, I'm leaving Hollywood completely behind, and I'm gonna go seek, I'm gonna go and now I'm now I'm here. I've been in situations, sal I'm not trying to bat brag or boast or anything like that, but I've been in situations. I've walked my mother post. I have ashes of hers

2:25:44 Speaker 1: that should be right around here actually somewhere, oh the radio. So it's a necklace, but the necklace actually broke. But I've worn this necklace with her ashes in it that my sister created or got made after she passed. I've walked her into the halls of Congress, into I've walked nuclear controllers from like the nineteen sixty seven Malmstroom case, Robert Sallas, who's a good friend of mine. I was able to get a meeting with Nancy Mace, who chaired the hearing that day, and I yielded my time with her, and I allowed Bob to in turn brief her on the sixty seven case.

2:26:40 Speaker 1: And no one in fifty years or thirty years. It was fifty years ago, but he's been out for thirty No one in thirty years had ever thought to get him in front of a sitting member of Congress to tell his story. So, you know, I've been and then I've just as long as I keep doing the next right thing. I'm in the next right place. I'm in the next you know what I mean. So she put me on this path, is my That is ultimately what I think.

2:27:10 Speaker 2: And that yeah, yeah, like you my mom was my biggest fan. You know, it's like for my wife of tours. But and that's you know, they put you on there. I think your mom put me on that path. Definitely. I think my mom put me on my path. And the same thing. It's up to you. Now you go do it. You know, you gotta do it. Do it. I mean, I got you. Here's the direction for that way we do it right right with you know, with my mom, the we didn't see it coming at all,

2:27:48 Speaker 2: and she got really, you know, she was really She went in on December eleventh, and it's weird here because we're both in the entertainment industry. We never got a chance to spend a New Year's Eve with each other. Did we able to LEAs spend New Years with your mom? And any time through the years?

2:28:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I see my.

2:28:08 Speaker 2: Mom she was either working or I was working, So we never I mean not since even when I was like five and six years old, she was still singing club gigs. I was with my hear right, my cousins when I was a little guy, you know, So never really got to spend New Years with her. And on New Year's Eve, it was my brother and me. We're at the hospital and I'm sitting on one side like that. She's in hospice, and we were I'm thinking to myself, you know, what kind of fucking joke is this? Man? This is some cool shit.

2:28:41 Speaker 2: I never get a chance to spend a New Year's ever with my mother, And here I am New Year's Eve and with my mother, and this was probably gonna be here last day, so it's not like we could have even done anything celebrated. So I figured out at least I'm here. And then at about five five we had dozed off and the nurses came in and yeah, gentlemen, your mother has gone and she's passed. But I got to spend in New Year's Eve with her, so it wasn't the way I planned it. Yeah, but I'm thinking, you know, once the book once I had, you know, she never I'm sure she's read the book by now.

2:29:23 Speaker 1: You know she got an advanced copy.

2:29:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she got to read it when I wasn't. But when I was writing it, I would send her a different ed and she'd say, oh my god, Salvatory, Which version am I reading? Now? I'm telling all this one. I didn't like these chapters. I pick up at this chapter here because when you know, I'm my heartest critic, man, I am. I look at ship that I've done and people think it was great or wonderful.

2:29:50 Speaker 1: And I look in the guard you nuts, Yeah, You're like, no, that sucked.

2:29:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm very hard on myself. And as I said, I don't feel like I've and where I want to go. And I'm hoping that so this will finally off like I achieved something, you know, when I became a stockbroker years ago and another life, believe it or not, tie, I passed my seven nobody sixty three, And I only did it because I refuse to believe that people went to college were any smarter than me.

2:30:21 Speaker 1: Heyeotype.

2:30:24 Speaker 2: And you know I got I passed my series seven and then blink them an eyelands, same thing with a sixty three and the twenty two, And that was a whole other life at all, And I felt like I achieved something. I was twenty three. I'm a stockbroker. But then I was very disillusioned by the entire industry out like anything. Man, I don't have I don't operate well with piece of shit people running things. I just don't. I get to the point where I opened my mouth and tell them what I really think and they're not used to getting a verbal assault like that.

2:30:59 Speaker 2: It doesn't work out well. And then I just go my own way and going to another area. You know what I mean. It's hard to take it's hard to take orders from idiots tight really yeah.

2:31:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I would love to. I'd love to have you back on on a panel or you know, just another one, talk about the book when it comes out. Absolutely, you're a really fun guy to to bounce things off of. And I really appreciate uh, you know, being able to flow with the discussion. So uh, Sally, you always have a welcome door, open door here at a toll disclosure. Where can people find the book? I do have the link in the description below for the website, but where can people find you and keep up with everything you're doing?

2:31:46 Speaker 1: And YadA?

2:31:48 Speaker 2: My website is sell amodel dot com. You'll see everything I'm working on, what I've worked on Instagram. It's sell in Chicago. You know, it's weird, ty, I never had an Instagram for myself, like I run the WBMA. You know, you had a w BMX in Boston for years by you you know what I mean. But originally WBMX was here in Chicago, and that's where all the house music stuff started was at W one or two point seven FM BMX back in the eighties with house and in the Hot Mix five and the mixes and all that. So off started at BMX.

2:32:24 Speaker 2: So I used to run the website. I run the group page and I've got you know, I've always had group pages because that's how I would use my group pages the market, you know what I mean. So I had the B ninety six group page on TikTok. I've got my back in the day group. It's got about twenty five thousand people there. But I never had an Instagram for myself, so I said, oh, it's like, holy shit, I forgot all about this chick my own ans little more on. So I started up on Instagram page about you know two three months ago and that's out in Chicago.

2:33:01 Speaker 2: And on Facebook it's Sale Models seven eleven. All those links are on my Facebook page at salemdel dot com. And the book will be available when it does come out, hopefully by the im of July. Uh, it'll be on Amazon and other digital platforms as well.

2:33:18 Speaker 1: My man. So, uh, you know, to everyone watching and listening in the future. Again with with the audio side, I mean, every episode seems to keep uh breaking the records of the ones that we'd doing previous, uh grow growing at a breakneck pace. Unfortunately, the algorithm on YouTube just uh.

2:33:43 Speaker 2: Show them a lot of people. Tight, You're not the only one, brother, other guys that don't you're not and your guys are big shows.

2:33:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had I'm continuously crossing guests over with like the biggest podcast Rogan.

2:34:02 Speaker 2: Well, they're sucking, they're sucking up a lot of an algorithm bok. You know it's like especially in the summer.

2:34:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jason Georgiohn, he's gonna be coming out Lenville Logan. They've all done the Rogans, the Jesse Michaels, Rizwan Vik Luigi did Rogan with Bob Blazaar, like I'm crossing over so many guests with like you know what I mean, and it's it's just wild to me.

2:34:29 Speaker 2: Can you do a good job? Tight because you don't tell people who probably we were supposed to do this last week things got crossed up and tight, we all got tied up. So I get a message from you, I know and maybe like I just got back from my office and uh, I got a messageake, we're gonna do blah blah blah. I said, oh shout, I just got back. Let me go take a shower, holding like you know Eddie months, let me go behind my hooks. Something right with you? So I go scrubbing up, don't get ready, come back to am ready and h you are very well prepared.

2:35:01 Speaker 2: You know. Sometimes it's hard to you. You did a great job. It's hard to be prepared. And it's nice though, because we'll get to have a conversation. We're not just talking about my book. We're talking about like we've known each other forever and we haven't. But it's because we both we vibe in the same the same mindset. We have that same vibe.

2:35:22 Speaker 1: Set, mindset on the same frequency, same frequency. Did you call back? Clip it.

2:35:31 Speaker 2: And tell people? And we want like what you be curious, man, don't take anybody's word, don't take ship from nobody. Be curious, track ship down. Don't think somebody is your guy. They may not be your guy, and you'll be root for a team that ain't yours. Man, you got to be curious about every piece of ship that's babbling to you every day about what they're talking to you about. And it seems like guys like was are you know? I try to find the holes and bottles are I don't find many? And I don't know.

2:36:02 Speaker 2: He's a likable dudeh and he's very just look, this is what happened to It's it's kind of hard to make ship up like that.

2:36:11 Speaker 1: It really is retain detail on a that has never.

2:36:16 Speaker 2: Changed again, like never chance. It's been the same ship he's been saying for years. And people are just discovering it, you know. And to me, a guy like that, that's that's that's the kind of guy I want to hang out with. Breag and little Bread, have a nice steak over at Roots, Chris. You know, I have a nice Scott maybe even a little dirty martini with some blue out blue olives. Nice, you know, and Luigi too. Let me tell you, Luigi, I'd like to hang out with him one day, have a nice little have a slice.

2:36:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, we went to We went to the restaurant down the street and before the night before the show. So when I fly someone in, will usually fly them in on a Friday that night. Give him the option. You know, Hey, you can just chill, no tell or if you want to meet us at the restaurant. And the producer producer is an uh retired Air Force guy. So uh, you know, very very just with it, and uh we go to the restaurant. Me Luigi was the most fun uh fun person. Uh that he had me laughing so hard that I couldn't breathe at certain points.

2:37:37 Speaker 1: Uh no, not no, not not not squirting, but he had me he had me almost almost pissing myself. So maybe, but he's just one of the most likable people I've ever met. He's in it for the right reasons. I can tell you're in it for the right reasons, and it's always fun to aviage. You know, we don't have to agree on everything that This is a common misconception in this day and ages. If we think different, we're enemies, and this is not the case. You should be able to You should disagree on certain things, but be able to discuss them in an open forum where you can still walk away and say, agree to disagree, shake hands and go.

2:38:20 Speaker 1: We have different views, but that doesn't make us mortal fucking enemies. It's crazy.

2:38:27 Speaker 2: Well, because it's so pervasive now, ty that people have seen that other people do that, so they become fanatical and do that. You know, you got family members that don't even talk to each other because, oh, you can't think like that. You can't think like that.

2:38:43 Speaker 1: I know people have their mothers blocked on Facebook.

2:38:47 Speaker 2: It's insane. Yeah, dude, look people like that. I don't I don't want to know them because something is seriously wrong. I got friends that we disagree with, but my door would be open to them at three thirty in the morning. You know, I don't have to you. Don't tell me I'm a piece of shit for thinking when I think. I'm not going to tell you you're a piece of shit for thinking what you think. You've got what you think the way you think, and you know that doesn't mean mean and you have to be enemies.

2:39:19 Speaker 2: But people, they get into this fanatical tribal shit. They can't help themselves. It's so bizarre.

2:39:26 Speaker 1: The clubhouse. We've got to be part of a team. We got to be part of a team, all right, everybody, thank you again, so much again. People on the audio side, please rate and review the show. As we have gone independent, we lost a lot of our reviews as we had to start a new RSS feed, So if you can help, it's totally free. You have your hand, your phone in your hand already. You know you're not going to put it down anytime soon. Take the fucking twenty seconds and rate and review the show. Please, it's free.

2:39:58 Speaker 1: It takes twenty seve seconds.

2:40:00 Speaker 2: Same thing on YouTube, right exactly. I mean most people their first sexual experience, the last you can do it.

2:40:10 Speaker 1: Oh my god, man, you make me laugh.

2:40:13 Speaker 2: And if longer I want to seventh grade. I don't know how the hell that was even possible.

2:40:19 Speaker 1: Nope, I uh no, no, no, that was a quick experience for myself as well. You know, if if one thing I was yeah, well well I won't go there. But make sure to like, share, subscribe if you want to. You can help us keep the lights on. You could become a member on YouTube or Patreon. And as of right now, I have three episodes, so I'm always four or five weeks ahead of what is debuting, so as a member, you get access to I just upload the episodes all at once, uh for the members. And you know, sometimes it's a week advance, sometimes it's four weeks in advance.

2:41:04 Speaker 1: So it's a great little system we have. As we grow, we'll start doing members only content. Right now, any guests that we do fly in, we do a bonus segment with and that is only for the members. So we are trying to broaden that that specialty for people who do go the extra mile. But it is no, it is in no way, shape or form mandatory. That's how we just keep the show free. Guys, thank you so much, Stay humble, stay kind, and most importantly, stay vigilant.