UFOs, The Universe, and Joining our Cosmic Family (Ft Marc D'Antonio)

0:00 Speaker 1: We're here at contact, but the guys are twenty twenty five event horizon, where the boundaries between science, speculation, and the unknown continue to blur.

0:11 Speaker 2: I'm joined by one of my favorite people in.

0:14 Speaker 3: The world, Mark D'Antonio, astronomer Astropy Dog Group and the chief photo and video analysts were move On. Mark has spent decades analyzing unexplained phenomena in our skies, bringing a scientific lens to one of the most compelling mysteries of our time. Are we alone in the universe? And more intriguingly, are we even looking in the right dimension if that's the right word. Thank you Mark for taking time out of your busy contact in the desert schedule. So I just again thank you really. Like I said, you are one of my favorite people in this field.

0:52 Speaker 4: Oh I think no.

0:53 Speaker 3: You bring such a lightheartedness to it, and you know, you don't take yourself too seriously, but you take your work serious.

1:00 Speaker 2: Sleep that's true, and that's what I think. There's there's this there's this boundary that we have to have. I mean, you have to have fun.

1:10 Speaker 4: The problem is that I think the science should be scientists should be for everybody. Okay, in trouble is people think about science and they don't want to get too far into it because they think, oh, I'm not going to understand, so they shy away. I guess what if you could explain something complex and the way that everybody can get involved changes the whole dynamic. Like last night, I did talk outside of the Skywatcher, for instance that we had and I was talking about fairly complex stuff, but I was able to explain it in a way that everybody could now become involved.

1:42 Speaker 4: They have questions from people that were very, very covid and intelligent because they were able to get involved in the conversation.

1:52 Speaker 5: And whenever you get involved in the conversation, you feel good about yourself because now you feel I understood that there's no reason for science to be on that side where people are left out.

2:04 Speaker 4: You know, no reason for that, right. And so that's if you call it. And again it's sort of weird to say, what kind of like a superpower? If I have a superpower, I would say is being able to take the complex and making it explainable and understandable, suggestible.

2:17 Speaker 2: For you know, your average job just not.

2:21 Speaker 4: Everyone has by your education and sciences, but everyone has a right to be in the discustry.

2:27 Speaker 3: Oh, that's such a good, such a good way to put it, right, that's it really is a good way to put it. And what I've what I really like about what you do is it's tangible. It's the real stuff. If there's going to be discovery, if there's going to be confirmation, it's going to come from you know, looking up and looking out in the right place.

2:48 Speaker 4: A rigorous application of astronomy and other sciences is how we're going to actually find e T right, Okay. And when I got my degree in astronomy, my post degree special became exoplanets. I began looking into exoplanets and I have all the grant of hours on major telescopes to actually look at extra plants from other stars. Okay. And this is something that's really near and dear because we want to find the potential for life elsewhere. Earlier before we started, and I know that nobody knows, but now they will.

3:25 Speaker 4: There was a planet that was discovered that looks like it might be large enough to hold life, y okay, and capable enough. Now it's called the high sing world. That's hy Cea enemies. It's mostly higher genomosphere. Well that doesn't for life like us don't. However, this world seems to be a warm and water worlds tend to have. If there's life, you're going to get a certain compound that's generated by life and only life. Okay, here on Earth we have it too, and that's called bimethyl sulfide. Now you might say, what is that, Well, it smells like kind of like rotten eggs a little bit.

4:07 Speaker 4: Whenever the tides out you go down to the beach. That stink is di methyl sulifide. The smell of the sea. The s is a spectrum of this planet's atmosphere. Seems to indicate a large abundance of dimethods.

4:22 Speaker 3: Now how because me, I'm kind of one of those people who, you know, how do we measure something like that?

4:30 Speaker 2: By viewing?

4:31 Speaker 4: There you go. So there's the secret, and we just got to grant for our remote observatories to actually get an insument that does that. And here's how it works. Whenever you have light, like a light in the room or the light of the light bulb or whatever, if you take a prism and you put it just the right angle, you can see a rainbow projected on the wall, on your shirt, on the ground table. That rainbow is what that white light coming to you really is. It's a bunch of different frequencies from red to corns, to yellow, to green to blue, the indigo to violet, and those frequencies are all very well placed there.

5:10 Speaker 4: They're very well defined. We know where they are. Red is always longer wavelengths, okay. Lower frequency blue is always shorter wavelengs. And higher frequency the more energy, so high energy blue, low energy red. Okay. So infrared is out it's the visible part we can see with our eyes, right, Okay, The visible park is this big, and the infrared is way out there, literally miles from rock sitting. Wow, the same way into the blue okay. And so our eyes is only about to see a certain amount of light.

5:49 Speaker 4: Okay. So if we look at that amount of light, we'll notice that we'll see there's something. There's lines sticking down perfectly, these dark lines with these dark bands. The dark bands are signatures of certain elements or molecules in that spectrum.

6:06 Speaker 2: Wow.

6:07 Speaker 4: So when I take pictures of the night sky and I use one of these filters to allow me to see these dark bands, we see some thick ones down in the red. Those are the lines created by the atmosphere. They're called telluric lines. Big word, who cares? But the bottom line is we can see what elements and combos are in our atmosphere based on just breaking the light part and looking at these dark bands in the atmosphere.

6:33 Speaker 2: Wow.

6:33 Speaker 4: So when the James Wet or other telescopes looks into space at a distant planet, the way they see it is the planet passes in front of its star and it ducks the edge of its atmosphere if it has one, will cross into the star first. And now the star spectrum it's broken up light that I just talked about, suddenly has some new things in it because the spectrum of the sphere of this planet is not passing in kernel the star and makes a dark lines. They're called absorption lines. And now we can identify to the planet's atmosphere.

7:07 Speaker 2: And that's how we're coming to that right.

7:10 Speaker 4: And by looking at them, if we look at it even more with higher resolution and better capabilities, we now see not just a few lines, we see many different spectral lines in these planetary atmospheres, including comounts like dithyl sulfi, the smell of the sea, and againfi comes from all we made our life.

7:33 Speaker 3: And this could be you know, I don't want to get into like super speculation here, but this could connect really, you know with the uso idea.

7:44 Speaker 2: Right, why do they because I wanted to ask you so a theory of hot at.

7:48 Speaker 3: Least these these beings or many of them, where would the best place to hide be?

7:55 Speaker 2: Well, the ocean, right? And with this.

7:58 Speaker 3: Water world that we see now, that water that is on that planet, is it safe to say that if you were to be inside of that water then it would be similar to the water here.

8:12 Speaker 2: And it's does it?

8:13 Speaker 4: Does?

8:13 Speaker 2: It? Does? Does water change?

8:15 Speaker 4: There?

8:15 Speaker 3: Is it just water?

8:17 Speaker 2: In each world?

8:17 Speaker 4: You know water? You may want to save water as water, that's not okay. First of all, the water here is salty, okay. Now, the reason for that is because we had landforms before we had oceans, and when rain water striking the ocean or the land forms, the element so hium in the element chlorine were easily dislodged from the soils and went down into the ocean. And sodium and chlorine have a unique affinity for each other because one needs an electron and one has an actual electron, so they're buying together making sodium chloride.

8:52 Speaker 4: So okay, exactly. And so our oceans are salty because those easily washed down elements binding in a row millions and millions of years and made this salty soup. Right. And of course we're salty too, right, because we came from the ocean. Right.

9:08 Speaker 2: So skin is a.

9:10 Speaker 4: Vestigial shell that holds in the remains of our heritage of having been in the water. Wow, that's what our skin is. It holds in the salt.

9:20 Speaker 3: And so I guess what I mean to say is there could be very like when you're if I was a species and I was traveling through dimensional dimensions.

9:28 Speaker 2: Or traveling through long distances.

9:31 Speaker 3: Atmospheres can vary, right, Conditions on planets can.

9:35 Speaker 2: Vary, but water would be a constant. Maybe not.

9:38 Speaker 4: The buoyancy could always be h two right, okay, two hydrogens one. It will always be that. However, you can also dissolve in water other things. And if a planet has a different composition in its crust, you might get water that's more brainy or salty. You might get water it's very acidic. You might get water that's actually more of a base, which is more rare. It'd be more like the cidic. Okay, so you get water at different times. But water is water, okay. And by the way, we see a lot of tools that is almost everywhere everything right, okay, Mars, it's a lot of water, h too oh on a surface and you say, well, wait, where is it.

10:24 Speaker 4: I don't see ponds, I don't see oceans. No, you don't. That's because marketing and gravity cannot hold in the water anymore, and its atmosphere is no longer thick enough to contain an unfostered clouds to the low rain, and it's the pressure from that atmosphere that allows water to be a liquid form. Right. Well, the pressure is way through lower now, way too low. So that's if you pour water on the water on the Mars, it would just go and in a short time, Yeah, would look like it's boiling on the.

11:01 Speaker 2: Surface, really right, but it would be it would.

11:03 Speaker 4: Just boil away because the pressure is too low.

11:08 Speaker 2: Okay.

11:09 Speaker 4: Right. If you if you could go to a very deep valley in Marks and you could artificially increase the thickness of the atmosphere and you pour the water out, you went to see a puddle, right, but it has to be high pressure, and right now Mars is very very very far from that. Right. So the truth is Mars, for instance, is read for one important reason. There used to be a lot of H two O in the atmosphere of Mars. There were clouds in Mars. There was a much cigad sphere in the Marx. There were oceans on the Mars.

11:43 Speaker 4: And when the when the magnetic field of Mars began to decline, as it began the cool smaller planet, the core started to cool, the magnetic field the dynamo that creates electricity in the core, which generates magnetic fields that'll start to lean. When that happened ultra by the energy from the Sun, instead of coming in and being stopped by an atmosphere, it ended up penetrating and going down into the atmosphere deeper, where this energy would strike a water tube and break apart the two hydrogens from the oxygen, the oxygen to go back down the surface and the hydrogen leak out.

12:22 Speaker 4: So over millions and millions and millions of years, the Martian atmosphere thin and the oxygen dove into the crust where bond bind with other oxygens and iron compounds which were very very common in market.

12:37 Speaker 2: So an iron oxide as well is brown.

12:40 Speaker 4: Help people, Mars is red because it rusted.

12:43 Speaker 2: Do you think there's any possibility that or do you think it's more likely. The hypothesis for a long time was the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Are you starting to.

12:59 Speaker 3: To move to the idea that these must be interdimensional travelers over?

13:06 Speaker 4: Well, let's let's talk about that. We look at the universe in our four dimensions X, y, and z moving through time. Okay, Here, I am at one spot at this particular point in time, and there's an X y in a Z coordinate that's associated with this position at this particular time. Now I'm moved here, it's a new X, y and z coordinate, and at a slightly later time it was here, and now it's here. To get here, I had to move through every point in between here and here. So this phone travel through the air to this particular point r hitting every point in between.

13:47 Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, Now what if I said there's a possibility that this phone could actually be sent to a different dimension, something other than our four dimensions of fifth dimension, it would our eyes look like it's just simply advanced in the spot and then and then he pop in over here if we then so chose to pop into this new coordinate.

14:10 Speaker 2: So it's so it's plaudible. Yeah, it's plaudible.

14:14 Speaker 3: We could theoretically, if we had access to this dimension, we could we could clug those coordinates in to pop in and out.

14:22 Speaker 4: That is correct, and and so how could we possibly view that? Well, mathematicians and physicists Clusa and Climb in the early nineteen hundreds thought about this possibility, and they came up with a hypothesis. There's a concept that we have to go into to bring this to a reality, and that is string theory, because it's within string theory where this possibility resultes. And let me explain that we have protons, electronics and blue ones and blue ones and so on, those little particles inside. Let's stick with the protons in solog and let's take with the protons.

15:01 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, protons. Everything's moving, they're all vibrating, they're going back and forth. Okay, now stop it at this end of this travel and stop it at that end of its travel. What's in between the path it took to go from one vibrational position to another. Think of that as the string. So you don't think of proton as a part of what. You think of it as energy string, very very very very tiny energy string. Okay, okay, okay. Think of that now in terms of applying it to the whole universe and how the universe is constructed in all the processes in the universe of the curve.

15:40 Speaker 4: Now, there are constructs that we can talk about, and I know that's about to take in, but there are constructs we can talk about, like by saying ours, y and Z moving through time. In string theory, we're gonna call that home membrane the home home brand, okay, b r any, okay. And so this is new terminology. Okay, stick with it for a moment. And then let's say there's other dimensions. This fifth dimension here, there's actually a name for that, because there's a variation of string theory called Randall's sundrum one artist one where this fifth dimension is called the ball BLK.

16:19 Speaker 4: The properties of the ball curves follows. If you can go from these four dimensions into that fifth start traveling into it, it's exponentially it's it gets exponentially smaller as you go in. The farther you go, the smaller the universe becomes around you. It's a very it's like a shrinking, incredible from the universe type thing. Farther when you go, all the smaller universes to you inside relatively yes, not in reality, not shrinking universe around me. You are going into an area where the universe is now smaller around you, inside this fifth dimension.

16:54 Speaker 4: So now let's say you're in this fourth dimension. I move my phone over here, and now let's say I want to move it twelve inches back the other way. Okay, I just did, and it just moved twelve inches. We can measure it twelve points zero zero inches.

17:10 Speaker 2: Okay.

17:11 Speaker 4: What if I took this phone and through a technique of some of the technology I moved, I put it into the fifth dimension? Okay, and I moved in jest a little bit, and then it did twelve inches distance inside this fifth dimension.

17:26 Speaker 2: But that could be.

17:28 Speaker 4: Thinking through What would that mean if we came back up This is.

17:31 Speaker 3: A test we could I mean, you could be miles ahead of.

17:36 Speaker 4: That's that's exactly right. If you go twelve inches out here, it's twelve inches. But if you go into a dimension where the where the universe is constricted around pressed around you. Farther you go, the same twelve inches can translate to many miles exponentially grabs. So in other words, theoretically, whoa theoretic exactly theory?

17:58 Speaker 3: We need something else in the inner explain that, I mean, it would explain a lot about It would kind of eliminate.

18:05 Speaker 2: One of these issues, right.

18:09 Speaker 4: It would eliminate issues with making any returns in the sky, eliminated issues with being in the deep ocean without being crushed. It eliminates issues about what's observed because every observed UFO has certain characters that it looks like it's shimmering tiang color, sometimes vanishing and reparing somewhere else. Now as bron where I can tell you many different things that could accoumpliment the shimmering and changing color. We call it atmosphere scintillation. When we were out of our skywats for the night, the star vegel was near the prize and it was shimmering and going red and stuff.

18:44 Speaker 4: That's because of the turbulence in the atmosphere. So I could that's true that we can say that's atmosphere scintillation. Okay, and something that looks like it's moving from here to there to there to there. Well, that's something called the autokinetic issue not out of Connecticut response, where our eyes are unable to attract things in the blank sky. They never evolved to do that. They evolved to look in a dark shadow and see if there's a predator. Right, okay, so they did not evolve to look at blank optics in the sky follow quite supply, so in fact, that the thing they could be doing this, it's like you bounced all over the sky might actually just be doing this and moving in a perfectly straight line.

19:26 Speaker 4: But okay, to the human eye and just always dancing around, you can't remember exactly where you were just looking.

19:33 Speaker 2: Right, you think you may observe that.

19:36 Speaker 4: You think they do, yes, and so they don't realize they can't. It's not built in evolutionary tour That makes.

19:45 Speaker 2: So much sense.

19:46 Speaker 4: But there's more.

19:48 Speaker 2: But wait, but wait, there's more.

19:50 Speaker 4: You get a slim So if you're considered consider this, So now, okay, that's one thing like that, right, But now the color change, that's stuff, stuff that just vanishes outright, right, that stuff, maybe that's the limit of your vision. Okay, you can see Venus during the daytime in the sky. If you know what you're looking and see that, you say, hey, look, oh it's gone, and you got to struggle to find it again, right right, because it's right. It's the limited your vision. So it could be that that we see.

20:21 Speaker 4: However, what we cannot deny is the possibility that these very strange particles are in use, if it's a UFO and making it look like it's shimmering, because every one of those observed effects are effects that we would see if this process was in use. A ship disappearing outright, shimmered, changing color, absolutely, zipping around looking like it's traveling in ninety three returns absolutely. Now consider that following considerable Okay, consider this if you are, if you're an alien, and you want to develop a technique for traveling as to the universe, so consider this.

21:02 Speaker 4: So consider this if you were, if you're using these special particles to move from our four dimensions into the fifth dimension, then those special particles which you live there, would if you invelop your ship of them, wouldn't drag you into that fifth dimension. And if you travel in there, that travel is expanded by However much have gone in and however small the universe comes around here. If you travel, like I said, a foot in there really farming, that could translate to a huge distance your actions from out.

21:33 Speaker 4: Oh my god. And that could go from say the move in a split second literally right, And theoretically some physicists calculated that we could go from here to Alpha Centauri than hear a star. Not in the ten or twelve thousand years that it would take us with our current capability, but in twenty minutes. Now that's quite keep. Yeah, it's also intellectually why because we can't do this. But the hypothesis, called the clusive clime hypothesis, is something that is not.

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23:36 Speaker 4: Now back to the ship. All together impossible, Not all together, shell or people are thinking about it. People are actually considering it now, and even major astrophysics people are suggesting that maybe this is in play and one thing that's interesting is going from four dimensions to the fifth dimensions. Fifth dimension constitutes interdimensional druck. Yes, because to your eye, like I said, I think that shimmer and just boot it's gone, and we go whoa, whoa, there's nothing here, right, and then just appears there.

24:14 Speaker 2: It's here.

24:15 Speaker 4: I didn't see it move from here to there, but it must have. Right now, it went up to a fifth dimension which is outside of our few just can't pick it up. Okay, are most of our instruments at all can't pick it up? And then it pops into the new four dimensional word of X, y Z slightly time. Right, that's the idea. Here's what you have, a UFO. You generate these particles to close the client particles. Yeah, they're called actually cluse a client records, right okay, And they surround your ship the top, bottom, all around okay.

24:49 Speaker 4: And these particles, because they lived in the fifth dimension partially, you surround them and you're you're gonna be automatically shoveled into this fifth dimension. Okay. That process is long drawn up. Consider that you're going to get there at the fifth dimension. You may be more particles, wrong, ter ship, you can go further into that fifth dimension. So if you've got to go a long distance and then you travel a short distance in there, and when you can all you travel the long distance. So it's like you go here, travel that much and when you came out there, right, you know, right, that process is something that is foreign the most.

25:27 Speaker 4: Right now, however, at certain at the Large Head Rondic Collider in Cities, they have a detective called Atlas at La s yep atlas, and you can look up the white paper. This atlas in part is designed to look for caulus acline particles. Why because they're very interesting? Yes, okay, and leave it at that for now. Meanwhile, go all the way across the state land and across the United States to San Francisco. Okay, at Lawrence Livermore right and Lord's little more. They've achieved fusion, right, and they can fuse sustained right where I was going, they could they could now they have sustained fusion.

26:09 Speaker 4: That's a milestone. No, they're not getting more energy out than they put it, right then that they have to put it way more than they're getting it.

26:17 Speaker 2: It seems like that that got lost in translation.

26:20 Speaker 4: People said, oh no, but sustained fusion is a big, big, big milestone because fusion requires temperatures of millions of degrees celsi. Okay, and none of the many more degrees. Fair So when you look at how much they've achieved. And why am I talking about fusion here, I'll tell you why. Because if you're a spacecraft or a craft that carries alien beings, right, you've got to generate just part of this to do the jungle and then pop out and pop in the process. So how do you generate the particles?

26:56 Speaker 2: How does turn?

26:57 Speaker 4: Do it?

26:58 Speaker 2: Like smash to the other?

27:00 Speaker 3: Yes?

27:02 Speaker 2: That with a riality with particle accelerator.

27:07 Speaker 6: Yeah, the oh my god, it's circle. It's a disc, big ring, it's a big Yeah, it's a big ring. What's shape or classic big discs?

27:19 Speaker 2: Oh?

27:19 Speaker 3: Yeah?

27:22 Speaker 4: And why they're part of accelerators and they have their rings outside and beings in the middle are protected with chielding they don't care about the outside.

27:32 Speaker 3: Is that this could be why when people like when Almas Walton come up to a craft.

27:40 Speaker 2: You get really damaged. That's correct?

27:43 Speaker 4: And why is that?

27:44 Speaker 3: Because you are essentially touching your pretty particle accelerator.

27:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and I'll take a step further, dude, in the large run fly or you've got these giganic rings and you've got these wave guides, and there.

28:00 Speaker 7: Driving protons in a circle. Proton's a lot in a circle, even straight right, you keeps them in a circle. What's the what's the force you're applying to a proton to keep it going? I know it's like school elect uh magnet magnetic.

28:17 Speaker 4: So they have a magnetic conduit that these things are going through. When you take a charged part of which is a proton, and you try to send it through a curved path, you get something happening that comes out radially in all directions. It's called signatron radiation. Okay, not good, No, So sycotron radiation is not good for us. Not being good for us means it hurts and if you touch you up on the outside, you're gonna get burns. It's been happening, It's happening.

28:52 Speaker 2: There's I mean, so many cases are coming.

28:54 Speaker 4: To my mind where sygrotron radiation?

28:57 Speaker 2: Where I mean, do you think that is what is being studied secretly? You know? Or you know because they are looking.

29:06 Speaker 3: You know, John Burrows, for instance, you know, had loss of eye sight and other burns, people have had corneia burns.

29:15 Speaker 2: There's so much that that that's coming to my mind now.

29:19 Speaker 4: And it's because of the nature of how they travel. Now, let's take this and stuff from it.

29:24 Speaker 2: Could that be why they keep their distance in.

29:27 Speaker 4: Part because they know it hurts us for one thing.

29:30 Speaker 2: But I don't think they're that, okay, Okay, I think that.

29:35 Speaker 4: They're just possibly teams of beings that are curious, right, And I'll tell you why curiosity is very important here in a bit. But if you think about it, the beings are in the center of protected area. Okay. Now, they generate clusive particles day. They just spence out of the outer ring okay, and they surrounded Gift pulls them in. They do their hops. Okay. This means it don't need engines. All they have to do is pop up, Pop it right, pop. As long as your reactor works, did, you're gonna get cardinals.

30:11 Speaker 4: You can just keep doing that. And by the way, what is that reactor? Oh, the fusion reactors. All we need to do, right, and lawrencetonre is working on the fusion reactor. R Sir is now studying clusing. Fine partners. Marry those two together. And maybe in fifty years, of eighty years, one hundred years long after us, we'll have a coke bottle size ship that can disappear and reappear at the moment.

30:36 Speaker 6: Back my lord, prop it.

30:38 Speaker 4: Three minute trip, maybe one minute trip. There will be taught in the future, I predicted, and I'm sure that it's true.

30:45 Speaker 2: Hopefully this video will be still around.

30:47 Speaker 4: It will be okay, it'll be studying for long years after this. Okay, h you got that again. So we can imagine going to Pluto.

31:00 Speaker 8: You want to say, a go to Pluto and have one with Frank, be back for dinner, okay, okay, ready to ship for a bite, and are gonna check out fo o' spot the inclination and enjoy the beaut for a little while.

31:13 Speaker 4: Okay. Was that the revolving restaurant?

31:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one, Okay.

31:16 Speaker 4: And then you go to Pluto, have lunch for Frank.

31:20 Speaker 9: Frank, and you're Unfair on the moon and you're watching your Pluto below you and it's t locks it be the same beautiful time, right, get the stars shifts your spin.

31:31 Speaker 4: Okay, So that's kind of cool, and we'll have that. You don't have that to do it'll be something we can do, you know. So in other words, if UFOs operate with this technology, which is literally the only way they can do it with reasonable time frames, right right, then if they do that, it means that they use exceedingly large amounts of gravity. Why because when the clues decline, gravit towns are made out of this solid Later they're gonna be ten to the sixteenth times more powerful than the graphtons holding up to these Christy chairs.

32:07 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, And that means they're going to create something else. They're gonna create micro black holes. Yeah, well, you know, not a big yeah, because micro black holes individually only last a few Dana stats all black holes are matter may not maybe do.

32:23 Speaker 2: So is it the larger the black hole, the longer.

32:26 Speaker 4: That's how long will take to it as long as the eating. Yes, so micro black holes fewer than they're gone. But during that time they exist, they might eat a molecule or two. And they're also going to do something else. They're gonna actually eat birth. And so if you have enough of these uh you know, clining raphtons around your ship, they're gonna eat up all the earth graptons trying to hold you down and you'll actually beat the gating rapid really, so it's kind of like anti gravity. The gravity can't reach your ship, right, So that's why another reason, another contation, people see the UFOs that look like they're just like tumbling leaves.

33:11 Speaker 8: In the sky.

33:12 Speaker 4: Okay, well there's no uper down one, there's no need, right, so they simply just ride it out. And for them, if they pop into a location, there's another one and then they disappear from that or the fifth dimension, pop in again, disappear, pop in again, disappear, popping again over here to our instrumentation looks like it took a ninety.

33:36 Speaker 3: Return because it has again it circles back to we didn't evolve to see where not, and we can't see where they're going, where they're going, where they're coming back.

33:44 Speaker 4: And so if you only go a tiny bit into that fifth dimension and come back, then maybe you move like an engineer here, you move foot right, and you do that way up in the sky. It's gonna be like the the economical idle mode right for one of these ships, and so you end up just going right. It looks like incredibly fatally went in that ninety return. Meanwhile, insiship like this, right, and then if you had windows, what you're scenes the sceniory changing outside exactly, no forces on you, nothing. And it's true alien beings just like those couldn't handle high G forces those kinds of sharp turns.

34:24 Speaker 4: That's because they're not really doing it constantly, just the illusion of it. It's based on and and wow, that's the fact.

34:35 Speaker 3: Jack. So what's the next step? What's the next step for for for talk? I mean, because you're you just explained that to someone who I like to think I'm intelligent enough, but that well, I'm saying, uh, you know, how do you get this?

34:59 Speaker 2: Someone has to start the process of right, Okay, give an example.

35:03 Speaker 3: Okay.

35:03 Speaker 4: There are a number of very high end people Okay, Harvard, other universities who have said, I believe they travel into dimensionally. You know, I am willing to bet that this is exactly what they're thinking, because I've been talking about this for four years and is based on a book by a very good friend of mine, Robert Schuber, called Solving the UFO Enigma. Right, Bob has I've read the book. It's not for people ordinary people because he has string theory equations and science driven. It's science driven, and it's it's it's hard to digest if you're someone that doesn't know science, okay, and when you read it, you go, wow, it just makes Why did I see this before I met Bob?

35:50 Speaker 4: Talked to him many times for good friends, and I've insisted did he do talks and conferences like this one contacting the desert. He's very soft spoken, but I think that he'd have to be able to explain it in a way that people can understand, and he's a little more scientific. So I told him, I'm telling everybody I know, Bob, and I'm giving them a way to at least engage in the conversation. And that's what we all I think they want to do. So he's all forlready loved it. And so this particular process is one that can explain every single thing we see with UFOs.

36:33 Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that's how they're actually operating. I'm just saying it can explain all the observed nominies we see with UFOs. It can explain how aliens.

36:44 Speaker 10: If they exist, I could go from outside of the window to inside the window instant without already doing with them, right, they pop out from location outside of them and pop in at the X y Z moment moments.

36:58 Speaker 3: Later inside right, right, I mean it's the same technology. It's maybe it's just a portable version for them. It's an exactly so like a portable way to do it way to do it at that I've.

37:09 Speaker 4: Said, I was taken on through a window and feel like, yeah, it doesn't it doesn't work, And in fact, it didn't work for me for a long time until I encountered this theory.

37:21 Speaker 3: It's a lot of those paradox the only way they could happen, right, right, It almost insinuates that there's a fit at least a fifth dimension, So we.

37:33 Speaker 4: Stream theory includes a lot of the right, they're all very very small, right, So how we would access them and how we could utilize them still far? Okay, So is this now the only way it can happen in terms of what we understand now? Yeah, in the future maybe not. But I can tell you this at the fastest possible speed we can go. Now, it's going to take us ten thousand years to get the office century.

37:58 Speaker 3: And when and then you know, halfway to the trip, well, I'm just saying halfway to the trip. Then you know, due to relativity. How far are we going to be advancing that time in our technology? Technology might advance so far that by the time they get halfway, we invent something that can get us there in twenty minutes.

38:18 Speaker 4: So it was all for enough And it's actually the basis of the science fiction show that I saw. Yeah, so it's like they catch up, like Generation ship left the Earth, it's almost all the way the proximately and there's already a ship there and it's highly advanced ship and like aliens meet us here. No, it's just humans that developed us, you know, and actually made it here. Yeah, because a Generation ship was taking like a thousand years to get there. Yeah, and humans end up making a ship and cut there hundreds of years earlier.

38:49 Speaker 4: Yep, okay, very quickly, and they were just highly advanced individuals. Yeah, so now we were the dinosaurs on that ship. It's kind of interesting, you know, the concept. And I do like those krands of science arch and shows because they do deal with topics like that, right, But this is now a reality type based, reality based opportunity for us to explore travel real like not not.

39:16 Speaker 3: This isn't like just stay in our solar system travel this is, you know, span the cosmos.

39:22 Speaker 4: Span the cosmos? Like you said, yeah, and how long would it take us to go to the center of the galaxy? Thirty thousand or so light years and I don't know, maybe it took twenty minutes to go four light years. You can do the math and kind of day, well, at that rate, this is how long. It's easy to figure that out, right, But that's just a calculation based on a certain amount of energy a certain distance into that fifth dimension. You go, what if you really really far, Well, maybe you can do like a thousand light years at a time and do thirty jokes, right, maybe you could do ten thousand layears at a time.

40:00 Speaker 4: Okay, But here's here's the point. Indian creatures, in my inestimation, if they're out there, and I'm trying to believe they are, if they use this technique, which I kind of believe they must, then they are probably the greatest cartographers or math makers math makers in the entire universe because they have to know every entry point and understand where they're going. Don't materializing the star.

40:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be very uncomfortable. Yeah, you know, I will say this.

40:33 Speaker 4: There's another piece of this you talked about USOS. Okay, we understand. Now for UFOs, what about USOS? What are USOS unknown sub version? Okay?

40:44 Speaker 2: I went on on the sub story.

40:47 Speaker 4: There was an experience there work the sonar team on the submarines. So that was just a guest, yea that wasn't even a sailor, and the the UH submarine sonar crew saw something moved through the SNAr at several hundred miles an hour.

41:04 Speaker 2: Fast mover fast mover correct.

41:06 Speaker 4: Yeah. So when I did a job of the Joint chiefs some years later, the chiefs confronted with me that they couldn't talk about that program. I drove back to Washington in the days you know, they get to real. Okay, So then if you consider that these things can be underwater, and it's like, O, could they be underwater?

41:26 Speaker 2: What if they.

41:27 Speaker 4: Materialize the side of way right, but that'd be pretty massive. Well, the answer is that they have the ability to map where they're going to enter. Okay, in my so, and here's not how they do it like the Titans, carbon fiber, you know, titanium in caps. I knew it was a disaster in the making. I actually make comments saying not a good combination. That carbon fibre is the goual side carbon fibers squishing the center of that cylinder. And it was where they titening hull is in the carbon fibres. It's gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna belaborate him in here, and I knew that was gonna ay.

42:10 Speaker 4: I wanted to talk to the Stockton Rush, the CEO. I never made the call. I never met hold them in the email. I kept saying to people, that's not a good design. And I've worked for folks that puts whole ocean graphic institution. I've been in the album that those are the Titanic. I didn't die the Titanic. Yes, I've been in it on store just to learn about studying because I knew the pilens of people. It made it working well to speak right, It's a radio control system, okay for a movie. And so these folks know the deep seed okay, ocean gay didn't.

42:43 Speaker 4: And the problem is the ocean pressure down there by Titanic. We're talking about many tons per square okay, on all sides. So let's say to us O unknown, it's not gonna be exempt from that. It's gonna get crushed the same way unless unless it's shifting from that dimension to the fifth dimension very rapidly. This can consistently idling and high high frequency, and so it's neither hearing of there in any period of time. And if it can do that, you've been going just a little. Then the pressure can't.

43:25 Speaker 2: Act on it here. You can act on it anywhere, that's right.

43:29 Speaker 4: So the bottom line is it's sort of in another one and I live about and I believe that that's where they are. Believe they're in the deep otion because they can be. Yeah, I do that. And I know that there's a recent case, very recent case where folks in the US Navy ships saw these this craft coming in on the water.

43:49 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

43:51 Speaker 4: I actually analyzed the video of that for other proofs out there. Long standing show on History Channel. Yeah I'm there.

43:59 Speaker 2: I love that show.

44:01 Speaker 4: But yeah yeah, and uh Tony Harris the host, great guy. I met him in Los Angeles time. So this this this process, it's been witnessed.

44:12 Speaker 2: It hasn't been yes, yeah, observed, I mean very good. Darcy's does a good job.

44:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the story and I watched him.

44:25 Speaker 11: Testify, yeah, perfect, Yeah, if you do it, I'll be there. I would it could support you there. But we'll see, you know, So, will they get to it they do the USL thing again, I'll probably be there.

44:39 Speaker 4: Well.

44:40 Speaker 2: I think Richard Dolan and such. I think, you know, it's bringing a lot of attention to it right now.

44:45 Speaker 4: So yeah, Dolan actually talks about my story.

44:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, right right, it's yeah, and that, like I said, that story, I'm so glad that, you know. It's just it's one of those stories that you just it sticks with you, especially.

44:59 Speaker 4: When you're on the boat and you think you're gonna die because someone's announcing this fast movers coming toward.

45:04 Speaker 2: The boat torpedo missile. You're about to explode.

45:08 Speaker 4: Literally scary.

45:09 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I would have been doing that same thing two years.

45:14 Speaker 4: After that trip. But I do a job with the Joint Chiefs. I had to build a briefing model for the president the next thing big, so I was nervous about, right right. I brought the model down to the chiefs, asked one on the side, you know, can you tell me about the fast mover?

45:30 Speaker 2: So so that drive home from Washington was scary. I was like, what's cd that was? That really the moment where it.

45:41 Speaker 4: Kind of like clicked in, clicked in that this is all real stuff, where it really crazy because I'm like, now I'm on a journey of yoursl to learn about that, right, And it's this that I talked with many submariners Okay, And he says, oh, yeah, ship, we call those jellyfish. We didn't have a way to classify, and they don't. They call them jellyfish because they were doing exactly the opposite jellyfish. They weren't just sitting there, okay. They were actually speeding several hundred pus a dollar.

46:11 Speaker 2: Which could go back to what we were discussing earlier, rapid items.

46:16 Speaker 4: Rapid oscillation, back and forth, popping it out, okay, and they can move as fast as they want. In the sixties or five submarines in a wolf packed us doing exercise of Puerto Rico and one of the subs broke off because it saw something. Now they didn't know on the boat that this wasn't part of the exercise. They thought maybe it was, so they reacted to it. They went after, okay, tracked it, and they saw that it went to the full ocean depth all the way to the surface allowed them to get closed and the spin off and it was totally with them for two days two days, and this event ended up becoming famous.

46:57 Speaker 4: So that process that it was something that was like the first indicator that there's something going on in the devotion where these things can travel at high speed and do these types of nuvers. You know, you know, Japanese crew cardship, the crews out on the deck, there's no cigarettes. The captain's ship towards van they see these discs can plowing out of the water. Hmmm hmmm, you're like, whoa. The whole crew saw and the captain had the presence of mind to get the lot of latitude and longitude to like several significant figures for the location at the exact location of the southern end Marianna's Trench, the deepest part of deepest southern exactly there.

47:49 Speaker 4: Because why wouldn't you be why they could go any depth they want. So they're gonna go where I always say this, They're gonna go where we're not.

47:58 Speaker 3: They're gonna stay away from the the ages with thermonuclear weapons.

48:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they have an interest in that too. But water is the next well.

48:07 Speaker 4: Water is just a convenient.

48:09 Speaker 2: Right, We're not there, right, If this.

48:13 Speaker 4: Was the full depth of the deepest part of the ocean, the deepest us to go about an instrument the top of the ship Jesus, that's about the deepest.

48:21 Speaker 3: Okay, wow, yeah, well I think i I'm good.

48:26 Speaker 2: Have to I be back on the podcast coming up, and I know you're a busy man, and get back to the booth. I want to say thank you for sitting down with me. But always a pleasure, always a pleasure.

48:38 Speaker 3: And keep keep doing what you're doing because I think that, like I said, it's the tangible stuff that we need.

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