US Air Force Whistleblower Michaela Fachar-National Security & Non Human Intelligence

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1:32 Speaker 5: Everybody, welcome back to Total Disclosure. I am your host Tai and we have a special show tonight. Mikayla Fachar is a former national security professional who served as an all source analyst in the US Air Force Reserved for six years and held various intelligence roles within the US government. In the fall of twenty twenty one, during her first semester at Georgetown University School, of foreign service. She had a profound experience making contact with Nhi with no prior knowledge or exposure to the phenomena.

2:05 Speaker 5: She was informed of her contact by an element of the US government committed to her career in national security. Mikayla confided only in a close circle, keeping the experienced secret to avoid misconceptions, and remained focused on our mission, not to mention the stigma that comes with it. However, a year later, her Nhi contact intensified, kind of, ultimately reshaping the course of her life like it does with most. Earlier this month, Mikayla came forward as a whistleblower sharing details from her twenty twenty to twenty twenty one Air Force deployment in Qatar in hopes of corroborating information disclosed by Matt Livelsberger, who was part of the Tesla truck explosion and subsequent manifesto that came out on Sean Ryan Show via the other guy's name, I forget.

2:59 Speaker 5: I think it started with Shoe. So with that being said, thank you michaelab for joining us tonight. I'm super happy to have you. I really want to not waste any time, so I again thank you for coming on and thank you for your service to this country.

3:16 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on.

3:18 Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, So I want to I want to start. I actually kind of want to start with a little banter. And I do this. It kind of eased at tension a little bit. Some people get kind of locked up. But this, did you see this? What happened over DC a couple of nights ago with this helicopter and the and the plane.

3:39 Speaker 1: Yes, I did.

3:41 Speaker 5: What's your take on that? Because I saw this and I really feel terrible for all of the people affected and the family, So, you know, godspeed when and and I hope they're all dealing with it in their own way. But did it look odd to you?

4:01 Speaker 1: Yes? I don't. I've never been on a helicopter and I don't know, you know, with the NVGs and the night vision goggles and like what everything looks like. But it is bizarre. And then we have different information coming out that suggests that there were not enough ATCs in the air traffic controllers who were able to like on comms with any of the aircraft, so that could have led to that incident. But if we look at patterns in legacy media and the reporting, we're not going to get a clear answer from the Pentagon or the CIA or from the intelligence community, and so hoping that the Trump administration and I'm sure they will come out and reveal what actually went wrong.

4:41 Speaker 5: Yeah, because I saw a longer video of it, and right now it's playing on the like the media. Is this, you know, really short clip where you barely see the light make contact with the other with the plane, and I saw a longer clip. I mean, it just doesn't make sense to me how they didn't visibly say okay, we need to move like there's no I mean, it just it's it was like it looked deliberate and I hate to even go back.

5:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is this is where I'm not clear, right, It's like I want to know who the casualties on the helicopter wore, and that really determines what went wrong and if there are any casualties. I mean, we're getting mixed information from the media on that. On that aspect, that would be really where we get the answer on any of.

5:33 Speaker 5: That, right, And and have you ever seen anything like that before where a military a military uh you know, chopper on a mission hits a civilian jumbo jet.

5:49 Speaker 1: No, And it's weird because I lived up in McLean, Virginia, and so I always drove from DC at night time. There are a ton of helicopters like it's not it's business as usual. So for this to happen, is.

6:04 Speaker 5: It seems really weird. Yeah, it seems a little bit odd. But you obviously, like I said, my thoughts and prayers or whatever go out to the families and anyone who's affected, and hopefully we can get to the bottom of that. So I want to have you on because now I saw your post. I saw your post when the whole thing was kind of going down with Sean Ryan, and it piqued my interest. Obviously as a member of the you know, the quote unquote UFO community. Anytime someone with credibility like yours comes out and says anything, I think it's important that we take note and give that person at least the benefit of their credibility and their background to at least hear them out and not dismiss what they say just because we don't want to believe it.

6:55 Speaker 5: Now, with that being said, I do want to start at kind of your early life. If you talked to me off the record or off air about you know your contact, and I want to kind of set the stage. So where did all of this begin? What made you, you know, choose to go into the military, and you know, where'd you grow up? Did you have a good, good early life all that kind of stuff.

7:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. So I grew up in Astoria, Queens in New York City and my parents. I was the only child. For a long time my parents were together. They got divorced when I was ten years old. And then when they did get divorced, it changed. It took me on a new journey because before ten years old and I was born nineteen ninety four, I never moved outside of my home. So I was very comfortable, and I had this sense of coziness in my home. I remember that feeling and the really weird thing that if I look back when I was like five years old, as early as I can remember, I remember always laying in bed and knowing, like some just knowing that I was comfortable and that was going to change in the future.

8:09 Speaker 1: And also the ephemeral nature of life. Just would cry every night every night, almost in bed because something would say to me, don't get too comfortable. Life is temporary, and your parents won't be there forever, and it's I don't know where that came from. I didn't think it was weird. I just thought I was always very sensitive. But after I had my conscious experience, which you will get into later, I realized that I've had contact with Nhi since I was very young.

8:41 Speaker 5: And this is this is the kind of something that's ongoing in the We see a lot of this in the community. Is some sort of moment happens now. I call it the moment of conversion. You know, for me, it happened with seeing a craft come over my head. It's that moment that you know that this is not a black and white world. There's a lot more gray than than than you know mommy and Daddy ever taught us uh and so and and then you people start realizing or they go through steps like hypnotic regression and try to find out more and if they've had contact, and most of the time they have to some degree.

9:24 Speaker 5: So when you said that you're getting these these feelings about you know, life is short and it's don't get comfortable. Are these fleeting thoughts in your head or is it like a disembodied voice.

9:41 Speaker 1: It wasn't even it's not like a voice. It was just a knowing about It was just a knowing. And there are different terms when I look at it through the lens that I have today and how we have a lot of experiences come out, talk about tell up with your the SI aspect of things it was. It's strange because it doesn't come from the brain like it just comes from the heart. It's like, I know, this is not forever, Mommy and Dad, You're not going to be here forever. And I used to cry, that would be and then that would be one of the weirder things from my early childhood, besides some other things that happen, which we can get into if you're interested.

10:24 Speaker 5: I am, let's hear it all.

10:27 Speaker 1: So when I was yeah ahead, no no, no, no, no.

10:30 Speaker 5: I was going to say, so, all right, So you at what age do you think you start having these kind of like adult thoughts, you know, existential kind of thoughts.

10:46 Speaker 1: Now that you ask it that way, I think that it wasn't really like an age. It seems more realistically, given that I was really young, it feels more realistically like a conversation with an adult. And so I would cry before bed, and it was like I was having a conversation as a reminder that I shouldn't get too comfortable, that you know, life is all these like higher lessons. I guess that obviously made me cry when I was younger, because I was young, and then I would think about I'd just play and stuff.

11:23 Speaker 1: But actually my parents, my mother thought I had signs of some I wouldn't say disability. I just had these weird quirks like OCD, and my mother would bring me to a doctor and get me checked. I mean, like normal parents get me checked and things like that. But when I was five years old, I was actually really scared of ET the extraterrestrial. So I'm not having ET contact, right, Like the weird anomalist contact would be the realizations that I'm having at five years old, or what I thought were realizations at nighttime.

11:56 Speaker 1: Another thing that happened was that you know the printing paper that comes in the stack. Yeah, I was scared of E t the extraterrestrial because he looks scary in the movie. It's like a valley. But I actually drew ET pointing up at a UFO, and I drew like the ground where it's like a line on the bottom of the white paper and he's pointing up and I write phone home in like a speech bubble. I did that same exact drawing on all of the pages of a stack of printing paper. No different, It was the same thing.

12:33 Speaker 5: It's not even a good flip book like write his pos right.

12:39 Speaker 1: It's a still it's a still flip book.

12:44 Speaker 5: But that that is just kind of hard. So all right, So so it sounds like you just you're very intuitive for some reason, and maybe we I think we could probably guess why now. But staying on course here, so you're you're young, You're having these these really really intense thoughts, troubling, having trouble sleeping or or at least without crying beforehand due to the nature of the of reality. And so what happens next? What? What? Wow? What experiences are you? Are you referring to from earlier, the other things that you wanted to talk about from your childhood?

13:32 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so just really weird things like that, like a little bit of OCD and other quirks that I had where I liked horror films. I loved Freddy Krueger, The Exorcist, Nightmare on Elm Street, the eighties version I loved all of that. I loved horror, but e t the Extraterrestrial. That was where I drew the line, which is like really irrational when I looked back at it. So novel.

14:03 Speaker 5: Yeah, So what you're saying is like, all right, people, like I'm trying to tell you, like I like horror movies, right, so like those things didn't scare me, but for some reason this child's movie did. Yes, Okay, So I all right, that makes sense and that that is a very that is odd. I kind of I think I had a similar experience. I remember seeing the way after I saw

14:29 Speaker 5: my own sighting, I was begging my mother, begging her to take me to the library so I could I could find out more because she told me what I saw was a UFO. She was very clear. She was like, sounds like you saw a UFO. Yeah, And so she brought me to the library and I remember seeing the book that had a flying saucer on it, and like I just just stared at it for like twenty minutes, and you know it, it it threw me for a loop because you know, everything became like so much more real. So it sounds like you're having these kind of same experiences where these coincidences and these things that don't add up.

15:12 Speaker 1: M Yeah, and so.

15:16 Speaker 5: What how how did someone Okay, see, you have a pretty good childhood, but your parents divorced, which is just oddly this day and age, it's kind of semi like normal. I guess everyone's parents are divorced these days. So aside from those things that that what what leads you down the military path? Of course, you sound like a very you know, very intelligent, you know, pretty young woman. What brings you to the military.

15:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, So when my parents got divorced at ten years old, my father was actually doing business in China, and I moved to China with him, spent about three years there. I lived in Shunjun, which is southeast China, right across the water from Hong Kong, and I lived there for two and a half years. Then I moved back to live with my mom in New York City. I would go back and forth between China and the United States. My father wasn't in government. He was a private businessman and entrepreneur, and he eventually he married my stepmother, who's Chinese.

16:21 Speaker 1: So I have half my family reporter. My family's Chinese, and when I went to college, I really hadn't thought about what I wanted to do. But growing up in that time, so I was born ninety four, I was actually in second grade when nine to eleven happened. So the backdrop of nine to eleven national security became a personal thing because I remember leaving second grade, leaving my class half day or in the morning when the situation with the World Trade Center happened, and so it became very personal.

16:54 Speaker 1: And so when I was in college, I figured out, I figured, Okay, well I have a background, I speak Samander, and I should improve it, and well, what's important in society. In American society, the US China national security situation was becoming more intense, and this was around twenty twelve, but it wasn't really like front and center like what we saw under the Trump administration in twenty sixteen. But I knew it was climbing. So I said, let me go into international relations and go into public service where I believe I could bring my background and my personal experiences into a public service or national security career for the United States.

17:39 Speaker 1: And so I went down this path. I actually applied for an American government scholarship to study in China. In undergrad, I went to the University at Buffalo. I didn't get it. It was very competitive scholarship, but I did get a Confucius Institute scholarship, which, if anyone understands or knows the China situation, the Confucius Institute was a Chinese language and culture program that the Chinese Communist Party or the Chinese government funded so that it would attach itself or jointly run Chinese programs in the United States.

18:17 Speaker 1: Well, they shut down I think around twenty twenty under the Trump administration, and then it continued on under the Biden administration that the Confucius Institute started shutting down because the funding was from Hanban, which was through the Ministry of Education, but there was also a propaganda arm called the United Frontwork that funded this, which worked in the best interest of Chinese national security. So the US government said, no, we can't have this in our schools. Creating pipelines to American talent and potential future talent of the United States that go into the US government who can be later co opted.

18:56 Speaker 1: That's pretty much what defines the US China situation. And so I finished college, I went and I went and worked a private sector for a little bit. Then I decided to apply for the CIA and simultaneously pursue an enlistment with the Air Force Reserve. And the reason why I pursued an enlistment even though I had a bachelor's degree at the time, was it was twenty eighteen nineteen and things were really ramping up with intensity between the US and China, and at that point I said, let me just get my foot in the door.

19:29 Speaker 1: I'm sure if I want to go in the CIA, that can happen later. So I was at a fork in the road where the CIA actually called me. So I applied around May, I would say May twenty eighteen. I got a random phone call in summer of twenty eighteen, like in July. I felt like I did horrible on that phone call. It was like a preliminary assessment interview so that they can you decide whether or not to allow me to continue in the pipeline, right, and then you don't hear anything, and it's really a black box.

19:57 Speaker 1: You don't know. You could be in the pipeline for five years and people have got shut down because of their polygraph different things. And I had lived a lot, you know, extensively in China, so I wasn't certain that my polygraph and my clearance was going to go through as quickly as I wanted it to. So, knowing, you know, there are priorities with what I wanted to do the mission US China picture, and I said to myself that the CIA will be there later, so let me just jump in and wear the uniform, which I always wanted to do.

20:27 Speaker 1: And so I actually turned down the CIA for the in person group interview they called me in December of twenty eighteen, and I remember my heart sinking because I'm like, dang, like I really want to do this. Also because I like human intelligence, because I like the human element of things.

20:46 Speaker 5: Right, So, but yeah, so that that must be really hard to But I can see what you're doing, because, like you said, you can always you know, go back after your your service and work with the CIA afterwards. But you know, this is kind of a a it was a one one opportunity kind of moment to get involved at that kind of level.

21:13 Speaker 2: Is that?

21:14 Speaker 1: And from a national security perspective, I'm saying, now, we know there's a lot of complexity with the national security community, politicization weapon all that stuff right from my eyes, I'm brand new to all of this. Right for me, the CIA is like watching salt film. It's not seeing the bigger picture. And from a career standpoint, the CIA is like tip of the spear for intelligence. I went to Georgetown. They recruit from Georgetown like anyone, and you can identify them by the way you can identify them, which I don't know if that's a good thing for operational security, but you can identify the peers who really want to go into CIA.

21:55 Speaker 1: They're not quiet about it, which is really funny considering we have, you know, a bunch of internationals in the program and arguably definitely some counterintelligence that go to Georgetown. I mean, it's the best international relations program in the world. But we can get into that later. But yes, that was the are.

22:14 Speaker 5: You saying that there? Is you think that other countries are sending their intelligence into our school of intelligence, so it's.

22:26 Speaker 1: A school foreign service. But yes, of course it's I mean just from the backdrop, like just from a non national security standpoint, Georgetown University, year on year is the number one program all the conspiracies by the way of like globalism, New World order, Georgetown is at the heart of all of that. And you know, you have all a lot of money. They have their own investment fund, and you have a lot of money and a lot of interests. Who are you know, they're engaged with this organization. So it's a huge center ofvity for not just today's foreign policy but also future foreign policy.

23:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it transcends that. By the way, there's also a lot of competing interests in non government organizations, think tanks, corporations. Washington, d C. Is the capital essentially of the world, so it makes sense that this would be the battleground of ideas and interests.

23:29 Speaker 5: So so okay, so you you go in with a strong sense of this, you know, of national security is something that's important to you. With that being said, because I do, I do. I don't just like to talk about you know, actress, real stuff. I do want to ask you, should citizens, you know, because we watched like the Chinese by balloon right when it can over the United States and was clearly gathering intel and you know, made its way over some sensitive areas in our country. Should should the citizens of the United States be worried about China as a military power?

24:21 Speaker 1: They should be worried. Hmm, okay, so they should Okay. So this is the privacy and security. Natural security is myopic in the sense that it's focused on the nation. Individual security boils down to privacy. For me, I don't see a difference in corporations having access to our private data and China having access to our private data. China is going to do something to undermine the US government. That being said, there's this false illusion or this false idea that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

25:04 Speaker 1: So if you have people who don't trust US government, I include it right. But I also know that the Chinese government's not my friend. In fact, I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna place my bets on the US government because they swear an oath to the Constitution and I'm an American citizen. But what we're seeing with a lot of people who are pissed off about what happened with TikTok is they're going to Shaohongshu, which is red note the Chinese app which I have a very unique perspective of, Like, I don't think it's necessarily bad.

25:39 Speaker 1: However, they're going there and they're seeing a more still still manufactured it's social media. We always manufacture our presence. But they're seeing a more holistic version of China than what you see presented in the news. In the news, it's always national security focused, so it's always that fear based kind of information. And when you go in Shaohong Shu, you see it from a more this is what it is, and people are I see a lot of people calling other people shills of the Chinese Communist Party.

26:23 Speaker 1: And just because we're seeing a more holistic view of China doesn't make someone and being able to recognize that doesn't make someone a shill of the CCP. Their shill when they get paid to push out propaganda and to manufacturing narratives that are you know, good for the CCP.

26:43 Speaker 5: Absolutely, and and and the thing about the ban on TikTok is, you know, I'm not sure. I'm not even sure where I stand on it, because again there's part of me that is like, all right, I don't want my data at all being taken by a government, any government. But you look around and you know Facebook did it and sold their day, you know, sold a bunch of their data. I mean it led to you know, the the hearing that Mark Zuckerberg look like an alien at and you know, he's since changed his appearance to look like a like he's in eleventh grade with gecko jeans and a chain.

27:29 Speaker 5: But so it's not just TikTok. I mean, it's every social media platform they the data is I wouldn't call it safe, but with the TikTok one it was I think it was just so overt that politicians really wanted to make like a this is where we draw the line, you know. So I think it was kind of more of a political stunt.

27:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're not helping anyone, so.

27:56 Speaker 5: Nop so in your honest assessment of of the Chinese Communist Party. Here in the United States, we have something known as ARROW. It came from something known as the UAP Task for Us, which came from ASAP, which came from you know, YadA, YadA, YadA it. Do you think or is it possible that the Chinese are that they are doing what we're doing and they're looking into UFOs?

28:31 Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah.

28:35 Speaker 5: Do you think that with the out because here in the United States we have rules, regulations, and you know, things that we you know, we can't do, we won't do. You know, it's overseen. For the most part. We like to think that what I fear about countries like China is the handlebars, I mean, the the guardrails aren't there. So they're going to test it, and they're going to test it, and they're gonna do things, and they're gonna go past the point of what we may consider to be malevolent activity in order to advance their military capabilities and other strategic elements.

29:18 Speaker 5: Is that something that does worry you.

29:23 Speaker 1: Lack of oversight worries me. And this goes back to disclosure, because we do have an element of our government that is apparently has access to UAPs and things like that. There's no oversight that we hear about so called P three program with psionics and Jake Barber or sorry, Jake Barber, he went on American Alchemy and said, well, it's not human trafficking because they're happy to do it. The problem is we've had whistleblowers, American citizen whistleblowers from black programs that don't have congressional oversight.

30:00 Speaker 1: They're threatened killed, right, So there's a clear risk, a clear danger in working in a program that doesn't have oversight and then has a for profit interest so now you're bringing people from a third world country who you're like, you know, you could Jake Barbara can say all he wants, Yeah, well they want to come, they love it, Yeah, as opposed to what you're going to a third world country where you're giving them an offer they can't refuse if they want to take care of their children. You know, this is the same argument as like a mining company going to the Congo, Yeah, and paying two dollars a day to Congolese people, and you're basically saying, well, you're lucky that you're getting this money, otherwise you're going to starve.

30:43 Speaker 1: Is this really the kind of dynamic that we want to operate on behalf of the United States without congressional oversight.

30:51 Speaker 5: That's a really good comparison to make, very good comparison to make. And because I've had other whistleblowers on the show, like Michael Horrera, and Michael Horrera sought from the other side, and he said that these people are taken from third world countries, and you know, like you kind of you kind of just said it. It's not like they have another option, right, So I found I find that to be very very, very uncomfortable and because you don't know what to make of it. You know, I don't want it to be true.

31:31 Speaker 5: And of course we don't want, you know, our government to be dealing in in call it what it is, right, slavery, modern day slavery at least. And but but but we've seen that our government and military have been caught with their parents dound so many times. That's what allows for a conspiratorial environment to thrive in their first place. Is because things like JFK, because things like i'm mlk MK ultra. We've just seen so much.

32:02 Speaker 1: One talks about Malcolm X. Yeah, when he started to put the pieces together, he suddenly disappeared.

32:10 Speaker 5: Isn't it weird? Right? So I guess that's where I kind of was getting to is we like to think that the United States has rules and regulations, but it seems that those rules and regulations seem they kind of fall away once the black you know, unacknowledged special access program, once we get into that territory, it's it seems to be that no accountability, no oversight, no jurisdiction, no borders, nothing.

32:43 Speaker 1: Just this is the problem with the US government. What you just mentioned to the teeth. They created a system. It's like a buffer zone from the actual reality of free market dynamics of the real world. How everything like when there are no artificial artificial being man made, there are no man made rules and things are allowed to flourish. And then you see they're using loopholes, using different mechanisms of putting away black programs, unacknowledged special access programs. Right, like,

33:14 Speaker 1: the buffer zone that the surface level US government created is not the one that really exists. It's not based reality. It's a subset of reality. And then they operate from the lens, right, so you have people who are groomed in a system that was created by people like them, who put them out into work in real world problems, national security for policy, and then they operate from this myopic lens that everything operates in the same way that they know everything to operate. And that's completely false.

33:48 Speaker 1: And that's why foreign policy has been a disaster. That's why the US government is having a really difficult time with the China issue because China blurs the lines of civil military fusion. So you know, obviously, so China can leverage its private sector, private individuals and corporations to achieve national security.

34:06 Speaker 5: Goals, well said, very well said, so what kind of get back? I guess get back on the linear path. All right, so you you you get it. You can't go to the CIA. You go into the military. Now what job and and and so maybe I'm stumbling over my words here, where did it go from there? Obviously you know you have that fork in the road CIA military and you go to the military route national security route. You have a high background, like we just discussed in the China situation. So you're someone that could be valuable to the asset of intelligence.

34:52 Speaker 5: So you know, what job do you take?

34:57 Speaker 1: I take the role of an all source analyst. What an all source analyst does is so we have specialization where you can do signals, intelligence, imagery, from satellite imagery, a bunch of different things. I did all sorts because it was such a black box for me that I was like, I don't want to pigeonhole myself. So let me do all sorts where I actually synthesize and aggregate or integrate all of these different kinds of intelligence or all this kind of information, and I'm able to put it together to present and see the whole picture.

35:32 Speaker 5: So instead of it I like this, so you know the the there's the adage about you know, ten people could be, you know, touching an elephant, and they're all going to describe it differently, but you know they they don't have the whole picture, right, So you're the person that is standing back and able to see the entire thing. Is that kind of Uh? Is that a good representation?

36:07 Speaker 1: Yes? And so there is a different level of analysis for looking at situation or like looking at intelligence, like I could look at local level. I could look at intelligence for like lib like Assyria or Aleppo, and I could look at intelligence there and extract different kinds of signals intelligent intelligence and be able to paint a picture of what isis or someone else is doing in the area. Right. And then there's a more macro level of analysis where I can do more regional kind of things where I look at like maybe Ukraine, Russia, and operational would be like me looking at what's happening there and then being able to provide a more macro assessment for the military US military so they are abreast of it.

36:56 Speaker 1: And then there's like a strategic level of analysis which also integrates more of the temporal component where you're looking at things from a grand strategy maybe like a theory of everything intelligence perspective, and a question I would answer from that lens is what is China's endgame or what is China planning to do in the next five years? And that would be more strategic.

37:22 Speaker 5: Okay, that that makes sense, and so okay, so that's what all source analysts is because I was going to ask you what that what that kind of meant, because it's not a term I've heard before. So this is with the Air.

37:37 Speaker 1: Force, yes, and so with the Air Force. As a junior enlisted I was more at the I want to say, like operational but also kind of tactical level. So tactical being the more localized level and what's happening right now with this terrorist group. Operational would be like Operation and During Freedom and or OFS operates Operation Freedom Center all in Afghanistan. It's more and it would be more like I feel like it would be more regional. But this is all up for debate, obviously from different point of view, and strategic wasn't in this domain.

38:13 Speaker 1: But I always loved and admired the strategic lens of things. I wanted to like get ahead of the curve. Like if we're focusing on what are they going to do tomorrow, I'm like, what are they going to do like in five years? I want to be able to like st like figure out what they want to do there. That way I could work backwards and backwards, engineer decision making and provide intelligence according to that kind of decision making is.

38:39 Speaker 5: The Okay, so are you working on? Like? So, do you have to have a what kind of clearance you have to have to be able to do this work?

38:50 Speaker 5: Do you just to do this work?

38:53 Speaker 1: M Yeah? So only needed a top secret SCI clearance for my Air Force gig and it varies depending on what your your mission is across the Air Force. For my specific mission, I only need a Top secret s c I or T S s c I. And then when I was a contractor at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, I received my counterintelligence polygraph.

39:21 Speaker 5: Got it? Okay? And when you were when you were dealing with these, when you were doing your job, did you ever come did anything ever stand out to you that that made you pause and go, wait a second, that doesn't seem right, that doesn't that doesn't fit you know? Where is it? Because I'm gonna we want to get into your contact and your specific contact, But is there anything on the job prior that that that maybe looking back, you're like, huh, maybe that wasn't what I thought it was as far as intelligence goes.

40:06 Speaker 1: Would this be in relation to you appeased in an ECHI?

40:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, so.

40:21 Speaker 1: Not in my intelligence. But sorry, it was a long pause.

40:25 Speaker 5: I was like, I hope she heard me correctly.

40:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to think. So, not when I was doing intelligence, not until I was deployed overseas, but when I was in PT or physical. We were doing just morning level PT physical training at my tech school, which where I was learning into the tradecraft or trade the trade craft of intelligence. I was laying on my back and this was in San Angelo, Texas, at a good fellow Air Force base. I was laying on my back at like four am and stretching, looking up at the sky, utterly exhausted, and I saw like very weird activity, like you see the satellites.

41:04 Speaker 1: It's so dark outside you could see the satellites. But then I see these weird things moving that were intentional and doing these weird you know, not technology really what I could ascribe to as UFO.

41:19 Speaker 5: Right, and the first banking ninety degree turns that kind of stuff.

41:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, And there were two of them, and I remember the first thought that popped in my head was like, I was just like American pilots are just they're so childish. That was a fir Like. I just thought they were just like a couple, like you know, like the pilot bros or you know, our pilots like a bunch of bros, just like messing around with each other. Like it wasn't my instinct that it was UFOs. And then the thought I was like, well, I'm in Taxis, so there are definitely like underground facilities or something, so maybe they have that technology here.

41:54 Speaker 1: And then I moved it on. I didn't think I think of it. It was later, which we'll get into when I blew the whistle and I processing mission reports that I'm like reflecting on what I saw in tech school and I'm thinking, Okay, this is really strange. And then now we're hearing about our programs that we do have UAPs or UFOs and on all all of that other jazz.

42:16 Speaker 5: Right, So yeah, okay, so that would be an instance that I would that that makes sense that that's what I was kind of going for anything that that led up to, and now in hindsight, you're like, huh, you know that actually probably wasn't human now that I look back at it. But it's funny that you bring up underground military bases because I just was speaking with Congressman Burlison and he brought up deep underground military bases in his district that are are operated owned by Lockheed Martin. And you know, it's obviously, you know, you can't foya Lockheed, and you can't foya these private aerospace industry, these private aerospace companies.

43:02 Speaker 5: It's it's this loophole that has been created with the military industrial complex. So you know, you gotta wonder what do they have like what you know how I know you said you're thinking about what China is doing five years from now. I'm thinking about what's the United States got now that's five years twenty years ahead because obviously, yeah, yeah, please like the DARPA net to complete my thought they had DARPA net or ARPA net. Maybe I don't think that, maybe the d wasn't there yet, but they had the Internet what twenty years before the public.

43:42 Speaker 5: So I mean it's they're way ahead of us. So it scares me.

43:49 Speaker 1: Back to what you said about the FOYO, that was, what are the excuses or reasons for pushing all of this technology into the private sector so that the US government wouldn't have to answer to FOYA. I'm just going to put this out there. That's absolute garbage. That was a garbage reason. They wanted the people wanted to profit off of this technology. The Foyer reason was what naive people like Eisenhower believed was the reason why it was necessary to move it to the private sector. But if you look at Foyer requests, it's laughable because they don't give us the information.

44:25 Speaker 1: They don't answer FOYA. They don't have to answer FOYA. It is all yeah, it's all nice and dandy to be able to see as an American, I ask for a specific information, but we see it time and again they don't answer the Foyer requests and it's almost passive aggressive because some of the Foiler responses are literally like everything's reducted. So it was a for profit, self interested entity that sold to the US government under Eisenhower that they're going to push it into the private sector. This was all It was a scam.

45:00 Speaker 5: Wow, and no one.

45:01 Speaker 1: No one's ever said that before. But you guys, if you hear this, we all have looked at redacted files. So we looked at the information they give us and it's garbage. And they also throw in a lot of fluff. Yeah, yeah, they'll give you it was all a scam.

45:16 Speaker 5: They'll give you a page and you'll have like, say, it's twelve you know, twelve paragraphs eleven and at eleven and three quarters of the document is black. You get an and here a two down here, So there's no way you can make anything of it. It's it's it's funny because John Greenwald, who runs the Black Vault, he in the UFO community. I know you're new, but when John Greenwall Junior, when his name comes up, just think of like I call him the Foya King, right, he does all that for his everything and anything.

45:54 Speaker 5: And he had just got you just posted the other day in twenty twenty five, he got a response from a request from two thy and thirteen and the response is we don't have what you want. It took it took how many years to tell to say we don't have it? Like this is it's absolutely ridiculous. It's it's blasphemy.

46:18 Speaker 1: So so the United States geniuses I like to call them that. It's a term of ahearment for the government. They have a big l because they were played by for profit interests in the military industrial complex back in the day.

46:32 Speaker 5: Absolutely, and it's you know, I like I even in my intro, I have that you know, Eyesenhower kind of telling us about the military industrial complex. A lot of people in the EU folk community think that, you know, Eisenhower, that that presidential uh, that that time frame is kind of where the cover up really rooted itself, like like it solidified what it needed to do and deployed measures that would keep it secret until you know, I mean we're talking still to this day, so I mean in your experience, you're saying that maybe that wasn't true.

47:22 Speaker 1: I don't know when it happened. It wouldn't be the first time that the US government was tricked because people don't understand how free market and private interests work. It wouldn't be the first time, but it's definitely one of those times. And I'm only going based off what Eisenhower said. He took responsibility, so he must have made some decisions with naively made decisions that further empowered the military industrial complex, and then he took when he took notice, that's why he informed the American public.

47:55 Speaker 1: But I don't think that's where it started.

47:58 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, okay, So back on track, Back on track. I like to jump around clearly too much. So you're working in intelligence, you or I'm sorry, all soorts analysts, and what what leads us to you blowing the whistle? Let's go through. Let's start going through those events and the timeline. Try to keep it sequential. So maybe let's start with the earliest thing that happened and bringing up to modern day.

48:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I actually wasn't really thinking of blowing the whistle. I didn't originally I didn't see anything wrong with what I had seen when I was deployed. In fact, you know, I was an E four at the time, I was junior enlisted, and there was a lot I didn't know about the culture, military culture, active duty. It was basically my first time active duty in an operational capacity because I was in the Air Force or from the Air Force Reserve. So I actually wasn't even thinking about blowing the whistle about it.

49:13 Speaker 1: Just the pieces or the connections I made with information gaps, and some of those ethical questions in government and in the military national security converged and came together in the moment that I was in Sean Raine podcast xpace on Matt Leibelsberger, the cyber truck whistleblower, Because when I was in that space, I was anxious about Matt Leibelsburger, and I was anxious operating from the information we had at the time because he's a whistleblower, and he was a whistleblower we know there's a lot at stake for that, and then the stakes are heightened with the fact that a green beret doing what he did and leveraging his skills in tradecraft to do what he did, just we were operating the level of uncertainty.

50:06 Speaker 1: But given what he had done, I said, I can't sit here and watch you guys try to, you know, make each other feel better about the UAP nexus, because Shoemate was already like, I don't want to touch you apiece. Yeah, He's like, I don't want to touch you aps like this this shit is weird, it's fringe, and that wasn't important at the time. That was not important. The UEP thing did not matter and that whole email. What really mattered was he taking that email. You know, now it's up for debate whether he did send the email.

50:41 Speaker 1: I think he did.

50:42 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think the consent I think he did is that he did. So I haven't disagreed.

50:49 Speaker 1: Now that's perfect, And yes, the most important thing was that he blew the whistle on something he participated in regarding some allegations against CIA DEA D o D operations in Afghanistan. And it's a very serious allegation. And so what you know, they're they're just looking at that and then looking at what has happened to whistleblowers him putting in there that he worked on unacknowledged special access program, all of this information. Right, this is a Green Beret that we've invested a lot of money, and not everyone can make it past the train, go through the training of a Green Beret, right, and then spend their whole lifetime and then survived as a Green Beret.

51:39 Speaker 1: Right was about to retire, about to retire and then be able to move on to the next step of his journey. And he felt that this was this needed to be conveyed, that he needed to give this information. That was that just something I just said, you know what, the UAP thing, I can at least like corroborate from an intelligence standpoint that not the information flow has stop gaps. There are chot points in information flow. That was going back to the Blue and Blue and the CIA Lee's on coming out to tell me don't report it, and and then also talking about ueps, there were ups all up in the Middle East.

52:19 Speaker 1: We have video footage, we weren't reporting it. Another choke point. Not nefarious, and I'm also not saying the CIA le's on some nefarious, but the fact is that it's not a blockchain, right. The information is not making it to all of the places it needs to go. And so I said, you know, this can corroborate that this guy's not crazy about u AP. UAP is not even the important thing. But boom, that's gone information flow stop gap boom. Well that would explain why people don't have information on God only knows what kind of activities are going on in Afghanistan.

52:53 Speaker 1: I had, you know, when I blew the whistle, I actually was really scared because we hear what happens to whistleblowers, and because I was scared, and I'm nobody, and I didn't work on black programs, but I live on Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and I made that clear just in case, right, I said, you know what, let to open source my location because of the patterns we were starting to see. But here Matt Lavelsberger blowing the whistle in such a way. Sean Ryan put a post out, he put a xpos saying, I'm disappearing in my family and now I'm sitting here like great, now I'm the next piece of the puzzle.

53:26 Speaker 1: So and people were telling me that they were they were securing poppy fields, they were standing outside of people's houses, intimidating them so that the person would do something so that they can kill them. This is all entrapment, by the way, And I'm getting more scared because now I've become like, I like there's a force of gravity where all of this these allegations and information are coming out, and I'm like, you know, it was kind of like an oh shit moment because I'm on some list and I don't know who's listened.

53:54 Speaker 1: Hopefully it's like not you know, nefarious for profit corporate shadow corporations who are exploited all of this like Big Pharma and god knows who else, right, But like, hopefully it's just on the regular national secure list and this will go later. I'll let you talk. But the next day I decided to summon the US National Security Apparatus to at least make sure that I was on their list, because I didn't know what playing field I was operating on anymore. People are still debating UAPs, and I said, we're past that, man, Like, there are allegations of crimes against humanity in Afghanistan and I'm not you know, I'm not risking it so.

54:30 Speaker 5: Right, and you know, with the this is people may forget. But one thing that happened. It was a while ago, but when we first invaded Afghanistan after nine to eleven, and of all people, Moraldo Rivera did a show and showed that Marines were guarding poppy field and you know, he's asking why, why are you doing that? And the response from you know, the military is well, we're guarding the poppy so that it doesn't get into the hands of the bad guys. Oh so you're watering it for them, you're keeping it up before what then.

55:20 Speaker 1: For the good guys who are going to smuggle poppy into the United States using the Defense Department of Defense so that they can fund black black ops and whatever activities that didn't get approved with congressional budget.

55:34 Speaker 5: Right, those good guys. Daniel in a way, senator from Hawaii made that speech at the u n you know, he basically called it out, saying and he was one of the people that Harry Reid went to, you know, out of the Gang of eight at the time, and put the twenty two million aside for US APP the all I mean I advanced god I as app and ate what later became a tip. There's so many goddamn acronyms, but the what also have Advanced Weapons Systems Applications program and you know Bigelow won the bid and and kind of fell apart I think in its in its nature and what it did.

56:20 Speaker 5: But apparently you know, that's where Ala Zondo comes from and all these guys. But then in a way made a speech talking about the deep state, essentially saying that they you know, they have their own army, their own navy, their own fundraising mechanisms where they operate you know, without oversight, without accountability, and they do not have or play by our laws. Uh, and this is super dangerous.

56:48 Speaker 4: Uh.

56:49 Speaker 5: And we've we've kind of garnered this culture since nine eleven that security outweighs these the like we gave up our freedoms to a degree after nine to eleven, and we did it willingly because we were, like, we need to be safe. And you know, once we give those away, it's not like they're going to hand them back over hand, over the back of the power. So I want to I want to hear more about these blue on blue moments. When you when you say a blue on blue, can you tell the audience what you mean by that?

57:32 Speaker 1: A blue on blue is a friendly fire incident and it's not uncommon. So if you are familiar with Jocko Willing and his book and what he talks about in his podcast, Extreme Ownership is his book, he was he was in charge of a team that was involved in a blue and blue incident. And so it could be that US forces have two teams operating in an area and they didn't deconflict, so they mistook each other as the adversary. Things like that. It can mean a variety of things, and I don't have all the details of it.

58:08 Speaker 1: I do have the details of where the repository and where the information is so that I can provide it to someone in uh who is who has a need to know, like Congressman Temperchett. I'm still coordinating with his office to figure out when to I'll.

58:23 Speaker 5: Get you speak to him. Yeah, I'll get you. I'll get you through, and uh so some other ones as well.

58:31 Speaker 1: Because yeah, because awesome. I appreciate it because uh like for it's it is sensitive information, right because I have details of like area assets, things like that. And so I didn't know this, but Stephen Greer, doctor Stephen Greer, he was he you know, gave me information and he consulted with me or advised me that I can speak to any congressman face to face, and face to face, I could speak to a congressman and provide them information that pertains the national security. He said that. And so I would even have to be careful providing details to staffers because they might not necessarily have a need to know, and uh, it also puts them in a precarious situation.

59:15 Speaker 1: And so I would speak to him, I have to speak to him face to face, or speak to any congressman face to face about that.

59:21 Speaker 5: Well, we can help with that. But so I'm sorry. Did you say that you spoke with Stephen Ger?

59:28 Speaker 1: I did?

59:29 Speaker 5: When was this.

59:32 Speaker 1: So? His uh, his assistant reached out to me through his ex profile about like two days after it was It was a day before I summoned the Secret Service with a few of my ex posts. Uh. I mean I was scared, not not doctor Stephen Ger didn't scare me. No. I didn't ask him how he I asked him how he's still alive given the work that he's doing. Yeah, he's He's awesome. And he gave me the information about how to blow the whistle how I mean, how to give you know, who, to give the details to, uh, to avoid any national security risks that that might include, as well as to avoid you know, breaching security protocols.

1:00:12 Speaker 1: And he told he told me you can speak directly to a congress person about that information. And obviously, because it is sensitive information, it's classified. I would do that face of pace, So I'd go wherever they are to give them the information they need.

1:00:27 Speaker 5: Interesting, and you know a lot of people were talking about Stephen Greer, you know, for a multitude of different reasons lately, not not just because of the green Bray situation. But I do want to kind of dig into that. Do you think that they reach out to you, one because of who you are and obviously what you're saying, but two because of his potential connection with Levelsburger because apparently, I mean, this is it. I don't know how true this is again, but apparently he was among the group of green Berets that we're talking to Greer and and I mean, I don't know if that's one hundred percent accurate, but maybe I don't know if you have any more information on that that can.

1:01:18 Speaker 1: Help they his what he was saying was taken out of context. It was taken and then people ran with it that Matt Leibelsberger was one of his whistleblowers. He wasn't one of his whistleblowers. He doesn't know if Matt Leavelsburger. It was just that what he was blowing the whistle on is in connection with things that doctor Stephen Greer was having his people come out to blow the whistle on. It's not that Matt Liivelsberger personally was.

1:01:47 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, that makes that makes more sense. And because I think people really do and you'll see with the longer that you're a part of this community that often Greer is not necessarily someone everyone loves. And there's a multitude of reasons for that. Is it is it valid? Is it is it warranted? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe, but people like to in this community, they choose the side. It's factionalism at its best. You're either for this person or against this where there's no middle. I stay in the middle because I made my own middle.

1:02:30 Speaker 5: But you know, people love to to misquote Greer and and say, you know, these really terrible things about him. I think he's honestly a genuine person and and I don't think that he is. I think he's someone that is on the side of disclosure. And and you know, I don't think there should be any like choosing like, oh, you either follow Elizondo or you follow Greer. It's one or the other. And that's like that That's been a very core problem in the UFO field the community is that it's it's this game that that you have to pick a side, and and it's been happening for forever, and it's it's keeping us from advancing the situation.

1:03:16 Speaker 5: You know, the divide and conquer, uh, and that that's the tactic that's been used against the UFO community, it seems, and it's working.

1:03:27 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm not too familiar with the details of the tension or the factions, but I actually I have contact with both. I mean not we don't talk of and they're busy, but I have contact with both Lou Alizondo and doctor Stephen Greer. And people are like, it's not a side. I like them both.

1:03:49 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, again, yeah, they both have their their qualities and and it's just reminiscent of and this is like more just philosophical philosophically speaking, I think, you know, in the UFO community, what a real challenge, a real hurdle that we have is that it's it's like the story of the Tower of Babble, right, humankind or humans. We reach the top, we're struck down and we're divided by language, borders, you know, nationalism, down to the color of our skin and the language we speak.

1:04:27 Speaker 1: We we like to.

1:04:30 Speaker 5: Section people, right, It's it's and I think that at its core is what is keeping us from achieving anything that we want. Because I think a united human race, like a literal united human race. There's nothing we couldn't achieve. There's nothing that we couldn't do if we all were working together. But you know, unfortunately that's not the case. And you know, the reality is what the reality is. So I want to talk about some more of your own experiences, like your own personal experiences. So maybe we can get into that now if you if you wouldn't mind obviously sharing.

1:05:25 Speaker 1: Sure home. So I get back from Qatar, right, and yes, I've had anomalous experiences, but I didn't put the pieces together from my early childhood and even from tech school when I saw UAPs or bizarre anomalists aircraft or something you know, in in the sky, I didn't put all the pieces together really, Like my first confrontation with anything of the phenomenon was through my processing of mission reports at in Qatar. But even then, right, I was in until May twenty one I got back. I had an internship with Special Operations at DIA for a bit, and so I was focused on national security.

1:06:10 Speaker 1: I really didn't care about the UFO thing anymore. Like I was done. I was mainly focused on the US China, being a China focused intelligence analyst, having spent time in China, when I was younger. It was an issue that was personal to me, so doing mainly really focused on learning more about my on my own about China. And then I started my first semester at Georgetown University School of Foreign Service with my Master of Science of Foreign Service, And it was in Georgetown where I was going to take a step back from an operational capacity so that I could really deep, deep dive into the root cause of issues.

1:06:50 Speaker 1: Really, I'm buying time to really dive into things and also advance myself intellectually so that I was better prepared to enter back into the national security or foreign policy space. Anyway. Finished my internship start at Georgetown at the end of August, and then in September of twenty twenty one, I start to have a variety of a series of realizations about human nature, you know, tribalism, history, things like that. I'm taking core courses at the time, so I'm taking a history of globalization course which goes really all the way back to like the Silk Roads, and then it goes a little bit forward into when European became a global power.

1:07:41 Speaker 1: And for some reason, I'm having like rapid fire realizations back to back to back, and really it's starting to destabilize me mentally because it was just like a lot of truths that were just revealing themselves. And I remember Freedom Papers. Freedom Papers was one of the pivotal books for me. Freedom Papers follows a family I forgot their last name, but a family they trace their lineage all the way from when they were taken as slaves from Africa. And what happens to this particular family is that they intermarry interracial marriage.

1:08:23 Speaker 1: And so obviously the last not the last one. I don't know. I think maybe they still have family, tingent family. The last girl it was like in the maybe fifties, I can't remember. It was in the twentieth century. She looked and this is what goes down boils down to also my understanding of identity politics as it impacts everything going on today. But she was white passing and she didn't look black, and she basically was targeted about for something that happened, and she was mad. She was mad because there was racism back in the day.

1:09:06 Speaker 1: She was pissed and she was basically I don't know if she was suing or something. I can't quote the book directly. Really what this realization of her identifying is black but looking very white, and then people being confused, like white people being confused that she identified as black because they didn't know she was black. Was kind of like the ultimate realization of a series of things for me personally, because a lot of people don't know I'm part Asian and I don't look Asian at all. But I've had a really interesting time of being criticized for trying to like Asian pass or something.

1:09:48 Speaker 1: I don't know. This happened to me before, and this is why identity and like tribalism and all these things are really weird. But what happened with the Freedom Paper's book is that it was like a mirror and I was seeing how nuanced and complex and ethnic groups identity and it was like I pierced through something I don't know, but anyway.

1:10:10 Speaker 5: It brought you to a state where because I I've kind of gone through something similar, and like, cause you said it earlier, like you start thinking like am I losing my mind? Like am I crazy? What's happening to me? But I think it's just like that those it's that notion being broke, it's your reality is breaking, Like what you previously thought, because there's a time before and a time after, right, And I don't know, it just becomes a little bit more clear and easy to talk about and to talk in reference to.

1:10:46 Speaker 5: But it sounds like you're going through that while doing this.

1:10:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, when we look at from like categories or like from category theory standpoint, it's like, what does my attention to her identity or perceived identity have anything to do with foreign policy or national security? And so this is where my everything starts to break down for me. And then suddenly I had this urge to look up consciousness. I have these like feelings of imminent nuclear war. It was just like suddenly things started to converge for me. And then and then this is what happened as I'm having these realizations and my mind is breaking from reality and I'm aware of that, is I asked myself the question.

1:11:37 Speaker 1: It's kind of funny in hindsight, but I started to recall the UAPs in Middle East because you reached a point where you're like, I feel like these are histories repeating with human beings. And then I started remembering what happened, what I saw in the Middle East, and then I remembered Tom DeLong and they said they were around nuclear facility and it was the first time, first time I asked myself. I said, I'm surprised we haven't killed each other, like there must be extraterrestrials. I genuinely considered it, and I kind of raised my eyebrow, and that's where it all.

1:12:15 Speaker 5: All started, kind of floods back or floods too.

1:12:20 Speaker 1: It was like the second I asked that question, is like you ask, you shall receive. Yeah, oh yeah, I did. And that's where I lost my I was like, I'm losing my goddamn mind because where things were happen, I've talked about them before. And then I was I'm like, I clearly am needing mental health help right, like I'm consciousness, I'm all of a sudden, I'm way you know, I'm in the esoteric right now, right, I'm not doing my studies, natural security, foreign policy, you know I'm in.

1:12:48 Speaker 5: You can't forgets on it. It's like something's pulling you a different way, and you're like, I I want to just do what I want to do and be normal or be do my normal thing, but something's pulling me this other way.

1:13:03 Speaker 1: Yes, and and well that was my conscience because I'm like, I can't. I'm clearly sick, so I'm going to go get help instead of trying to you know, I need to make sure I'm healthy before I even go further with all of this, especially because my mind is breaking. I'm having realizations and there are sound realizations that still stand to this day. It was just the consciousness and aliens. That was where I said, Okay, I need to go get help. And that was the day I spoke about this on the on Amy Baker's Good Morning UFO.

1:13:36 Speaker 1: Hello Amy, Yes, and I was driving to Georgetown. I'm like, I'm going to go get mental health help, and that's where I saw US government vehicles and then I felt this urgency to follow them because I also simultaneously know I'm crazy. I feel crazy, recognize it. But I'm also like, well, they're going to have nuclear war and I have to tell them. Although I had no evidence for it, I just felt like I had to warn them. And so when I'm weighing everything, I said, well, if I go tell them about nuclear war and I'm crazy, then at least I told them about the warning that I feel.

1:14:15 Speaker 1: And then I also can you know and then and then we can all agree I'm crazy and that I at least I get it off my chest. That was the feeling, right, I'm like, my priorities are still I want to make sure I get this information. I felt like it was that important.

1:14:29 Speaker 5: Well, imminent nuclear war.

1:14:33 Speaker 1: I was. It was like it was like I was breaking from time and space. My this is a symptom of psychosis, right, like your spatial temprole like I'm becoming like disconnected. This is so I'm I'm actually it's like time is is accelerating right at this So I'm it's imminent feeling, meaning like that imminent fighter fl feeling. However, it's not like, oh, it's about to happen tomorrow. It was just like once you have a realization you connect the dots, don't you have to go and give that information to someone where you're like, aha, this I figured it out.

1:15:13 Speaker 1: Let me go get that to someone better now than never? Right now or never? Uh that's kind of the Uh Okay, so that's that I was operating from.

1:15:24 Speaker 5: Okay, So so that's that's that's interesting. I would say, did you, I mean, did you go get checked out cognitively, m hm.

1:15:35 Speaker 1: I have had many Oh so uh okay, So when I went to the hospital, that's where I had uh someone from the US government. I don't know who. I can only presume it's from one of these programs who basically said like like it for me, that it was ET contact. And I didn't trust them because frankly, they've done a lot of things that make them untrustworthy, like I'm k Ultra, like the fact that they even knew I was having ET contact, Like how do you know you had to be spying on me? You had to be looking at my Google search history, like how did you bring me uh to this location?

1:16:18 Speaker 1: Right? And so I'm like, yeah, you guys are are you know? You guys are doing what Snowden said you guys do. So obviously I'm still thinking that it's plausible that the US government has tried to make me into an mk ultra sleeper cell or something. Uh. But once once I was shoved out of the government. Uh by my experiences and my realizations, Uh, my clearance is definitely under investigation. And now I'm on some FISA watch lists because what I said on my posts, which I'm like, I'm no use to the government, so I'm no use to them.

1:16:54 Speaker 1: So no, I'm not a I'm k ultra sleeper cell because well, first of all, what they're doing, there's I would I'm not participating in they're in. They're they're in mass psychosis. So there's no way in how I participate and be like yeah, so I'm me up for some sleeper cell thing. They are lost, they are like in I don't know where they are. They're in Wonderland.

1:17:17 Speaker 5: Well, they're in their own reality, is what it is. They operate in a like it's metaphorical different world that that's it. So okay, So I'm I'm a little I kinda maybe I miss something here. So during your when you're when you're doing the mission reports stuff, right, and you're you're filing the mission reports. But and then between that and then this where it kind of sounds like this might be a Richard Doty kind of situation. Right. I don't know if you know what the name Richard Dody is, but he worked for Air Force Office of Special Investigations, and you know they were tasked to uh well, Dody was tasked because this guy Jaw Benowitz, Paul Benowitz had had basically tapped into the classified whatever and you know, had picked up some information and DOTY was sent out and basically their idea was, Okay, we're gonna like tell this guy he's talking to aliens and he found proof of aliens, and we're gonna let him believe that because you know, we want to hide what he really saw is some sort of you know, unacknowledged special access program.

1:18:48 Speaker 5: Maybe I don't you know, there's do you think there's a possibility that something similar is happening to you? Or

1:18:59 Speaker 5: is it is did I miss something?

1:19:03 Speaker 1: There's a possibility that a program to throw me off course because they want to hide a black program. There's a that's plausible. I'm not even going to put it past them because the bottom line is, and I could sit here and provide you a lot of evidence and proof that the US government is they're getting raggaled by China, ragaled because they don't understand. So I was really and I am a good analyst. I understand like the whole picture when it comes to US China and how private sector organizations can be exploited, going back to like non government organizations, academia, which factors which vulnerabilities within society that China is leveraging.

1:19:53 Speaker 1: Not just China, frankly, it's all adversaries. It's really a program for play in the United States at this point, Like if you are able to get in, we'll get them while they're young. So kids in school or in college, right who are impressionable and naive and grew up in a system and don't understand how the real world works. You just implant some kind of idea and then you can exploit that in the future through branding, ESG, DEI, anything, and so you can. Really it's like neurolinguistic programming too.

1:20:26 Speaker 1: But yeah, like I mean, China was is doing this. They know our gen z better than the US government does, because if the US government knew anything, they would have never beenn TikTok in the first place. And then I heard people say we should put like an anti propaganda film before they open TikTok. I'm like, okay, nineteen eighty four, okay, big.

1:20:49 Speaker 5: Brother, right, good lord.

1:20:51 Speaker 1: I'm like I'm my guys, like, who's what become China to fight China?

1:20:56 Speaker 5: Like, I mean, yeah, live, so you're either hero. You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain, right exactly.

1:21:06 Speaker 1: So yeah, sorry, go ahead.

1:21:11 Speaker 5: So, so it seems like, you know, we're almost in that kind of situation where like, you know, where we've been the hero, you know, World War One, World War two, even after that through the Cold War, you know, there's a very big sense of patriotism and nationalism and especially in the United States, but things kind of take a turn and you know, once once we're you know, getting to the Vietnam time of Vietnam era, people are really like, dude, this is bullshit, Like we have no reason to be doing what we're doing, and we have no reason to want to do this, Like it's barbaric, it's it's it's inhumane.

1:21:54 Speaker 5: But it seems like this for profit industry exists where you know, war war is a racket literally and it's literally a racket, and it's it's a money making, you know operation at the end of the day, and people think it's gone away because there's no like breakout war, well just all through proxy wars now and you know, it's it's we're living in an era and think about this, and I'm going to get your take as an analyst, how the fuck are we living in a world where the only thing that's keeping us having this conversation is mutually assured destruction?

1:22:35 Speaker 5: It's mad? Literally, How is that I won't kill you because we don't want to end the world?

1:22:44 Speaker 1: This is well, I like instead of getting to that, well, if we really want to kill certain people, I mean traffickers, right, like people who are predator psychopaths. Yeah, let's take it on head on. I'm all about m a D for them specifically, but for all of us, I'm like, I'm not sure, you know. M AD is really just like you have to really pay attention to where you are, what your environment, what game you're playing, right, if you don't want to die, that's what me AD does. Us and China are not on it.

1:23:22 Speaker 1: They don't have to be on a path of m a D. That m a D, that zero sum mentality is forged by their environments, by China's history with the West, with colonialism. You know, history informs that, and also the system that we grow up in and the things we believe in. It's not a mutually a sure destruction situation. However, there's news that China is building underground bunkers in like a hardcore C two node, which is like command and control node for their whole military underground in Beijing.

1:24:00 Speaker 5: An mountain for instance, like continuity of government kind of thing.

1:24:04 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and so that's not a good sign that they're it's they're looking at what's going on right now from what the US government looked at Russia from or Soviet Union through the Cold War lens of like m A. D.

1:24:17 Speaker 5: Good point.

1:24:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's that's interesting.

1:24:21 Speaker 5: Well, so I got to cut you off there. I'm sorry if I'm interrupting, but you know, part of the thing, part of what really really flagged me with this, with your story and and and your post. So you posted when this whole little Livelsburger thing was going on, you put sorry, that's the email you put this up. And so this was the tweet, right or what do you call it now, an x an X A tweet, I don't a post. I don't know what it is. But uh so this is your your words here, right, and I want to go to and I just want to show people that you know that that you you kind of blew the whistle that day, and that's because of this and and what was going on with Sean Ryan.

1:25:13 Speaker 5: Now, something that's spoken about in this email, which I feel like is more significant than than what people are or at least it's more significant in demand's attention, is that there's this because David Grusse alluded to this kind of like secret cold war going on between countries to reverse engineer craft of unknown origin or non human intelligence. And when they were doing that show where they're talking about this email, they didn't know what us A USAP was. And I was screaming at the thing I was messaging.

1:25:55 Speaker 5: Sean's his his manager. I don't know what you want to call it, but Libelsburger is saying that he worked alongside the U A, the Task Force and had a top secret UH compartment T T whatever, the secret clearance. I can never say the letters correctly, and and had the you U A, p U SAP access so you specialize in China. Is the is this cold war? Is? Do you think that that's actually going on something with reverse engineering and anti gravitic technology.

1:26:40 Speaker 1: Honestly, even what's happening happening with our two countries right now is also arguably a cold war. Like the Black programs don't change that fact. And yes, so Uh, if you look at a little bit of our history with Operation paper Clip and the Nazis, you know JPL and all that stuff, or I forgot whatever his name was, whoever, like American scientists were consulting with there you go. Uh. Chang Shui Sen was a Chinese rocket scientist. He was a genius, and he worked and he consulted and he was involved in those programs.

1:27:21 Speaker 1: Something happened with McCarthyism around that time period and our government just kicked him out, which is really it's unbelievable, frankly, because they had someone who worked on high level programs from China and they put him back in China because of communism. So he helped the Chinese Communist Party the PRC developed their rocket force which was and also their nuclear program. And he was very interested in what he coined or termed the somatic sciences, which is basically SI. He was interest sit in psychic and psaonic capabilities of human beings.

1:28:04 Speaker 5: Well, isn't that an interesting connection as well? So so I guess I guess what Livelsburger talks about. Did you see any did you see anything that could confirm that there is some sort of Cold War about specifically specifically about reverse engineering you know, non human intelligence craft or you know, whatever they are, because I don't even know if the craft is the right word for them.

1:28:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, so from any normal person or I'm not trying to say I'm not normal, but like any person who's looking at the email from mainstream who is not working in the US China issue didn't have any hy contact things like that. It looks like it's very chaotic, right, I don't personally know if he worked on up U SAT. Frankly, if I had something serious report and I felt like I had to get their attention so I could report something, I would say it. I would be like, yeah, let me let me throw that in the end, right, because I spoke to some people and they said that they didn't find him.

1:29:22 Speaker 1: Some people from like the up tause force and stuff. They said they didn't find Matt Lavelisberger's name in any of the usap UAP databases or whatever, you know, And that could even if he was he could have been deleted. Who knows, Like, who knows what was going on? All? Really? What I see in an email, they really kind of converge the same kind of convergence that I had, which I actually can speak to the China issue. You know, some of the stuff was arguably wrong, right, It wasn't exactly correct that we have Chinese drones.

1:29:56 Speaker 1: There were new Jersey. I mean, it depends, right what could be free for all point?

1:30:01 Speaker 5: Do you think that there was something going on with that?

1:30:06 Speaker 1: So there was one drone that I saw that had very Chinese characteristics and Chinese characteristics in like the way that China like manufactures its own. However, we can also have things that are called false flags, so or maybe not even not even intentional. It also could be that we procured Chinese drone and we're flying it. Like it doesn't necessarily mean it was China. It's actually it's kind of sad, but it's kind of funny if like imagine if it was US and China just operating just like the spy balloon that we saw, like maybe you know then and then the question is why, like why is that happening?

1:30:45 Speaker 5: Right?

1:30:46 Speaker 1: Like why if we have to just look at things rationally but also appreciate that we don't have the evidence or proof for any of it. But if I'm seeing a drone that has Chinese characteristics, and then i see the Chief of Homeland Security being Majorcas at the time from the Biding administration going on CNN saying that we need to expand the national security budget. And then at the same time you have the National Defense Authorization Act being passed or forced through by Congress, which was like stacked.

1:31:18 Speaker 1: Remember, like that was ridiculous.

1:31:21 Speaker 5: Literally the biggest stack of paper I've ever seen on a Because Nancy Mace like put out a picture and I had like just met with her a couple of days before it and she put it out. It's just like it's so big, Like, how can you you need two hundred staffers to get through that in the time that they a wanted. It's just it's absolutely ridiculous.

1:31:47 Speaker 1: It's on purpose, it's money laundering. And then if you go into the if you go into it, there's a lot of fluff. It's if it's not specific, well no wonder why the deity failed. It's like if they're not being specific. There was one part which I actually pulled up the actual the whole NDAA, you can find it online. I pulled up the original one that was really long, and one part had something that wanted to allocate budget for quote energetic.

1:32:18 Speaker 5: Materials, energetic materials.

1:32:23 Speaker 1: It's not specific, it's not specific. How do you have oversight over something like that if it's not specific? Because what's energetic? I'm energetic when I after coffee in the morning, Like, what is energetic materials? Guys, how are you auditing that?

1:32:43 Speaker 5: Do you think that could also be a tool? And I'm saying this, you know, legitimate, right, but you know, for the same reason they changed UFO to UAP, right, And they did that and Hillary Clinton accidentally told people on Jimmy Kimmel and that's how it got out. But they did that so that when people would foil stuff for and use UFO, they could be like, well, we don't, we don't have that because they're called UAP now, So like they play this acronym game where they, you know, change words so that they it's like legal loopholes.

1:33:18 Speaker 5: Do you think that could be why or at least part of why they use really unclear terms like energetic materials, which could be you after a Starbucks coffee?

1:33:31 Speaker 1: Yes?

1:33:32 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So it's because and this is another thing that I've always been interested in, is there seems to be again we talked about this off air and during disconnection to our nuclear arsenal, our nuclear capabilities, nuclear energy, not just nuclear weapons, but nuclear just in general. Obviously, you know there's a correlation in data. Uh, going back to the creation of the you know, the nuclear weapon and the Trinity test site that UAP incidents, you know, exponentially grew uh in and around areas where UHE nuclear technology was or was going to be.

1:34:19 Speaker 5: Weirdly enough, m what do you think is going on there? Are they monitoring us or you know, because as an analyst, you're trained to kind of like you said, you're an all soorts of analysts, you see a big picture. When when you're looking at this topic and you see the correlation between the nuclear stuff and U A P. What is your analysis of that?

1:34:49 Speaker 1: Mhm. I can only myself, Uh, I can only go based off myself and my realizations working in national secure curity. And you know why I had contact, and unless other people are having contact and then coming to similar or even just coming to similar realizations, what I learned or what I started to pay attention to after I had contact, is that if yes, we have oversight, because we don't have the people don't have oversight over human affairs something else has oversight over human affairs and understands human behavior and how certain people work in their self interest, and they can justify things.

1:35:45 Speaker 5: Right.

1:35:45 Speaker 1: The world's not clear cut good and evil. There's also a spectrum. It was great for most of it, and that if we all speak to each other and don't really feed into tribalism, but more feed into trying to understand and relate to people, especially people we don't agree with or don't see things eye to eye with, we can actually start to see or put ourselves in people's shoes and realize, okay, well we can work backwards. Where can we build consensus? And really, this is where the whole idea of the free market comes from.

1:36:24 Speaker 1: Capitalism wasn't invented by Europe. Capitalism coined what was already happening with human transactional behavior and then formalized an institution for it. That's what capitalism did. So why am I bringing that up? Well, people from different places who spoke different languages were able to come together and engage in a positive sum. Well, you know, arguably it depends transactions where they could barter for something that they want and exchange value in that way, and that just shows in itself that there really is no reason at an individual level to escalate things like that, right, Like, we're not sitting here as individuals saying that I'm going to kill you because I don't agree with you, or you know, we usually kill each other if you're threatening my life and I have to defend myself or you're doing something that makes me have to kill you, right, But you're putting me in a position where killing you is not like I have a like a table of options, and then I have all these options.

1:37:39 Speaker 1: I'm not going to jump and just kill you, like if I have all these options, right, And I'm not saying in an escalated situation just in general, like we're negotiating, right, all these options. Okay, Really it's all or nothing when you have to get to a position of killing someone and like that, if that doesn't make sense, right, it doesn't make sense for to get that far. It's really misunderstanding and people not seeing things outside of their myopic point of view that would lead us into nuclear war with China.

1:38:16 Speaker 1: I actually speak to people one on one who are They call themselves antiperialists. They call Taiwan Taiwan Province, which by its in and of itself tells you this person supports one China policy that Taiwan is not a country.

1:38:34 Speaker 5: Right, so that it's still a part of the country China. They're calling it like.

1:38:42 Speaker 1: Okay, you're just able to see from the language that they use where they're coming from. And there are many points of agreement on different issues that don't really touch this, but indirectly in a way touch on the China town issue where I you know, if I worked at National Security still, i'd probably be put on I'm already on some list somewhere, but I probably be put on a list just for talking to someone who supports Taiwan being part of China, right, And well, that's that's a problem because then we're not speaking to each other.

1:39:19 Speaker 1: You have Nancy Pelosi going to Taiwan intentionally ruffling China's feathers, driving up stock prices for Raytheon. By the way, there's like a whole social media apparatus following Nancy Pelosi's doc trades or insider trading. Wait, look, she's a criminal, like do you like I said? The first thing we can do, really and I swear this is all we have to do is start to recognize the corruption and the the cancer from within and start to identify it and that that self awareness, right the not this moral posturing to the world while we have god only knows what's going on around the world, people having American passports doing shit that they should be doing, and then getting our government involved, having them signed deals, right, having the government help broker things that are not in the best interest of world peace or in human rights.

1:40:19 Speaker 1: The first thing we could do is start to identify all of that and put an end to it right now. Put an end to it right now. Yeah, I s I swaar. You're going to start. That's all you have to do. If someone has like a gun up there, like we're gonna have to kill the United States, they're going to lower it a little bit. Just seeing that there's an inkling of self awareness from our government in our country.

1:40:43 Speaker 5: I agree. I think I think we've been I think we've been king of the block too long and it's gotten to our head a little bit. And I'm not saying that, you know, we need to be knocked down. I'm saying that we just need to be checked. And I think, honestly, I think some sort of you know, disclosure event a forced disclosure. I'm not talking about like the President consun says, you know, my fellow Americans, we're not alone. I'm talking about like craft shows up over the White House, but also over you know, the KGB headquarters, also over Jijiping's had household mansion, whatever he's got going on, you know, over you know, over the globe, an unannounced visit, if you will.

1:41:36 Speaker 5: But I wonder if that would not be a catalyst for the old or really the only way that the world would unite or could unite, is if we were because and what I like about the UFO topic, this is kind of kind of weird, not weird, but you'll see what I mean. What I like about talking about UFOs and non human intelligence and and stuff. It's obviously, yes, it's awesome to explore the idea. It's fun, right, I want to believe you know that that kind of stuff, it's it's all there. But when we start talking about non human intelligence and our place in the cosmos, what it does is it transcends nationalism, racism, sexism, genderism.

1:42:26 Speaker 5: You know, I think I just use that twice, but it brings us all to like an equal level playing field because we're all humans or of Earth at that point, right when we start talking about non human intelligence, well, you know, collectively, we're the human intelligence. It doesn't it doesn't discriminate, if that makes sense. So I fear that that's one of the only you know, reagans that it to the un is you know, I what is it going to take, you know, a threat from beyond to bring us all together? And I fear that that may be the only thing that good.

1:43:09 Speaker 1: Well, we have a threat that comes from within human society. We have predators, we have people who are doing things that are not good. I think that becoming what we are, we're starting to see there is consciousness is accelerating. We're heightening our conscious awareness. And let me give you an example what we see with the hearings with Congress and what we would win or what we would call the old Guard. They're still playing by the game that they grew up in, but we're seeing what they're doing is they're working on behalf of themselves and their self interests at the expense of what is true and what is right.

1:43:51 Speaker 1: See how even Bernie Sanders, who was still held in high esteem by a lot of people, especially anti establishment gen Z who don't like Trump and Bernie and RFK Junior is the epitome of what Bernie Sanders says he stands for. And then the way that he went after him. If you really stood for what you stood for, you would not be going after rf K Junior in the manner with which you went after him, because has character, he is character, and it's it's it's evident that it's self evident that he stands for what he truly stands for.

1:44:31 Speaker 1: And then they try to get him on racism because he said, we have to look at different things with you know, genetics and like also race, race, race and genetic that all plays a role because we all have genetic lines and this goes back to Hablo groups of like where maternal lines come from. This is not racist you're making. It's actually it's awesome. It's awesome and it helps science. Right if we all were like the Grays, we all's like And I'm not trying I like I I personally, you know, my contact with a particular group of grace.

1:45:06 Speaker 5: And I would like to get into that in a moment, by the way, So.

1:45:11 Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not like trying to like say anything about like, you know, it's not negative, but I mean, I'm just saying that we have biodiversity on earth and when you like, it's awesome and we need to pay attention to it. And they couldn't. Though. The point was a woman couldn't get I forgot her name. She couldn't get RFK Junior on racism because it's so clear that he's not racist, so she called him dangerous instead.

1:45:39 Speaker 5: Yeah. They it's just I mean, it's absurd. It's it really is. It's all of it, all the political uh stuff. It's just it's so laughable at this point. And I I like the geriatrics need to need to I mean, we didn't we didn't slow down and keep the you know we I hate to say we didn't slow down and keep the horse and buggy companies alive because you know that's tradition. No, we changed and we we we went into the automobile industry, right we we adapted and we overcame and we moved forward collectively and and right now it's very it's like it's it's like we can't get we can't do that anymore.

1:46:35 Speaker 5: It's it's because everyone wants to be the victim. Everyone wants to m hmm, yeah. Everyone just wants to play the blame game and poor me and poor this and that, and you know, I'm not successful because of everybody else and the keeping me down. It's getting a little old and I'm tired of it.

1:46:58 Speaker 1: It's dangerous to have it external locus of control, as if you don't have control or agency from within. And we won't we don't have to go into it too much. But I actually have a well, this is what has to happen. The way that going back to how we're taught history and America is always the hero. There was a lot of bad stuff happening at home there, you know what racism, segregation, uh women, you know, we were still we were. There was a lot the way that black and Jewish veterans were treated in in minority groups.

1:47:33 Speaker 1: In the military during World War Two. It was like like you you're fighting your enemy next to you, fighting next to you against the enemy, and then you're fighting the external enemy. And there is some problem that I see that's keeping people divided on the right and left. And it's the fact that you know, the one thing, the thing that the left got right in the schools, but that the rest of the world missed. And this is where we're starting to see this reactionary cycle occur, is that they were teaching the truth of like the depravity of human history within the United States.

1:48:10 Speaker 1: At the United States. Is not this like white night throughout history that we were taught at a young age when we would watch like World War two and things like that, that it's it's you know, it's as dark as human nature gets dark. And so there was a course correction happening. And this tends to happen within like the social sciences of course correction, so they'll like try to teach lessons from and teach human history, teach like the horrors. The problem that we're seeing is that they're also trying to create the solutions.

1:48:41 Speaker 1: And to be honest, they wouldn't be manufacturing new social constructs to organize society because their assumptions are predicated on a like a like a half truth, a partial truth of the whole situation. And so you see like critical race theory, you see like de I see all of these things trying to course correct, but you can't manufacture it, especially if you've been groomed through a system and you only have a myopic lens of the whole of human condition, the constitution, the free market.

1:49:21 Speaker 1: The constitution and the free market are our paramount to making way for the emergent property of well truth of people have people not being co opted by power, but the emergent property of a decentralized hierarchy.

1:49:40 Speaker 5: Okay, okay.

1:49:43 Speaker 1: Elon Musk presents an example of that. I mean, Elon Musk just saved our election pretty much like saved our election arguably.

1:49:53 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would I I I you know, people love to hate that guy. Now, I always I've always just liked him. There's something about him that's just I don't know, say what you want about the guy. He's entertaining any Yeah.

1:50:08 Speaker 1: He's a little difficult. I think he's he's he's a little bit, you know, he has his things. And I'm only saying that assuming that Adrian Dittman is him. He because he can be a little bit. But you can't expect it. You know. People hold people to like a Jesus Jesus level or a God level people at the end of the day. And I could see from certain angles, just like with myself, because I'm not I'm not I'm not God. I'm not. I can't. You Like, if you're holding people to a high pedestal, they're gonna get destroyed.

1:50:47 Speaker 1: Uh, They're not gonna meet that and that and that's a good thing because we need something higher than the highest good and we can't even define it because well we have to. We have to have something to climb towards. I believe that, And I got that a little bit of that from Jordan Peterson.

1:51:03 Speaker 5: A great a great, great part. Oh my god. Okay, So you you had mentioned the grays earlier, and so how did they play a role in your in your story. I mean, We've talked about this a little bit, but I'd like to hear I'd like to hear it all of it start wherever it needs to be.

1:51:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I kind of put all of it away. But going back to when I had my first adult conscious contact or his first conscious contact that I can remember. This was following twenty twenty one, I just inherently no, I don't know, you know, I know there are many different kinds of etis or nhi, but I saw the grays.

1:52:01 Speaker 5: Like now and we're talking. I just want to make this abundant. We're talking. You say you saw them your own eyes physically, like you're awaking conscious body or your conscious awake self. You're saying you're you saw them. Mm hmm, okay, thank you, all right, continue.

1:52:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, I woke up. I woke up, and I saw them around my bed. And this was a couple of months after I was notified of contact. And actually these guys looked a little different than the Grays that I personally know, the grades that I look like, taller.

1:52:40 Speaker 5: A little bit, okay, So okay, the ones I.

1:52:43 Speaker 1: Saw were small, so they were new for me. The grades from my younger from my childhood were are tall. They're the ones that are still with me are.

1:52:51 Speaker 5: Tall, okay. And so I just want to make this distinction because there are there are the war or the history lore, if you want to call it, that does describe that there is like such thing as like that. They call it the tall Grays, and then like the smaller ones are you know whatever, they're just the grades, But are you? It's are you? Because when we're small, like I've gone back and I've gone to my elementary school and what seemed very large to me when I was a kid now seems super small and tiny.

1:53:26 Speaker 5: So you're not You're Are you making a distinction that you know for a fact they were different in height or is it just maybe perception it could it be? Or were these things definitely different? One was tall, one was small.

1:53:42 Speaker 1: That's a really good question. And I thought about it. Uh, it could be the relativity aspect of it that when I was younger, of course everything was tall, like three you know, five feet was tall. I would have been tall in my eyes back then, and I'm small. And then when I saw them when I was, uh, you know, in fall of twenty twenty one, and I'm still kind of sure, but like they look small like I remember them taller, And that could be the case.

1:54:08 Speaker 5: Oh all right, maybe that, you know, maybe it's a mute point, but okay, So so set the scene for me and bring me back there with you. When it happens, you're in your bed. Oh that got weird really quick.

1:54:25 Speaker 5: So you're in your bed. Bring I want to say, bring me back there, but that sounds weird, but like I want to be there with you, So set the scene that.

1:54:39 Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm sleeping in bed. I woke up and I see I see like a light right, Like it's like a I just see it looks like I'm like, I feel like I'm on like an operation table, but I'm in bed. I know I'm in bed. I see a light like over it, and then I see like four of them over here, and I know that there's more, but I see just like four right here, and then I'm scared. So I try to like cover my eyes and it looks like they're at the end of my bed right, So I'm looking up and I'm scared. I'm laughing because I might have made some noise like oh, like you know, like I'm just like really like like.

1:55:23 Speaker 5: You're like, oh god, I thank god nobody heard that.

1:55:26 Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I'm like I'm like no, no, no, don't do it, like it's like sounds like I'm like whatever. I'm like no, no, no, and I'm like no please, I'm like no. So I try to bring my hands up and then I couldn't move my hands. I was paralyzed. So I'm paralyzed, and I uh, it felt like I had phantom limb, right, because phantom limb is when you lose a limb and you still feel like you have sensations of itching or so you feel like you still have it. I felt like I had phantom limb, but it was like I obviously I have all my limbs, just couldn't move them.

1:56:01 Speaker 1: But my it feels like my hands are able to cover my eyes, so I feel the sensation and the old Just that comfort of feeling like I can cover my eyes was like it didn't bother me about the paralysis aspect. And then boom, as I closed it. Once I closed my eyes, a black and white literally similar to what you had in the beginning at the trailer or the intro, a black and white mushroom cloud like dropping a test bomb, a nuclear bomb. And then that mushroom cloud came into my uh, just the vision popped in my head and my eyes were closed, so we popped up in my mind.

1:56:39 Speaker 1: And then they physically hurt me, like they started to electrocute me. It felt like I was gonna die. Like it was utter pain. So simultaneously nuclear imagery and then physical pain and compitying it or or separate simultaneously.

1:56:59 Speaker 5: What the fuck all right?

1:57:02 Speaker 1: Like I felt like I was being punished and punished for maybe uh, nuclear war, Like I don't know, that was the first thought that my mind.

1:57:11 Speaker 5: Yeah, like the ultimate haptic feedback right where it's like we're gonna show you, but we're also going to make you feel it. Okay, that's got to be terrifying. And okay, there there because there there are these common themes that we tend to see. And it's again this telepathic connection and then this it's it's a it's almost like a warning of technology and and and it comes in various forms, but so that you're seeing and you're obviously you know, up to speed, and you're your your your job, and you're what you do.

1:57:52 Speaker 5: You see a mushroom cloud and you are like, this is this is what I know what it is like, I know this, this is this is a nuclear weapon going off.

1:58:04 Speaker 1: Yeah. And but for me when they flashed the mushroom cloud, the physical pain was painful, but my concern I was like how do I stop it? Like okay, like because I felt responsible. I don't know I felt responsible for that. Maybe they wanted me to feel responsible, but I was like, okay, like how do I stop it? Like I didn't really care about the pain as much as preventing nuclear war, which is.

1:58:34 Speaker 5: Okay, that's I let's I want to pull out that bread a little bit. So how does the experience end? Does it just is it kind of like you wake up it's the next day, or does it just kind of like blackout? And how is this? How does this experience end?

1:58:57 Speaker 1: So right after that physical pain, nuclear mushroom cloud, blacked out, and then I woke up next to my bed and I was looking up and I wasn't scared this time. I felt very I felt a little helpless, but like a baby with that curiosity. And I'm looking up next to my bed and I they're looking over me, and they look over me. I'm staring at them. Blacked out again, woke up in bed, woke up screaming, grabbed my husband and I'm like, it's like three am. And he's obviously he's getting panicked because he's like, what's going on?

1:59:32 Speaker 1: I never have night terrors or anything like that. And I could still hear it sounds like I'm and I have no way of describing it. It just sounds like I'm either in like a submarine or like a ship, like I'm in some like cylindrical like there's a weird sound, kind of like a vibration sound. And so I'm freaking out because I know in this At that time, I feel like they're still there and that I could hear like hear them and that was uh that that was a scary I was back. I was back. Yeah, I was back to being scared again after the second part of my experience where I'm laying in the ground, not scared, back to being scared when I woke up.

2:00:13 Speaker 5: Okay, so but bye, by the way, So when you're in your bed, I I want to assume, but I don't. Is your husband sleeping next to you? Yes, so he doesn't remember any of this.

2:00:31 Speaker 1: Or he remembers when I woke up, but sleep when I saw them.

2:00:36 Speaker 5: That's what I'm asking. So he he's out, and you're he like, because this is another thing that you know, like so Whitley stream or has this happened a lot of experiences. It's almost like they like shut the other person off or something and then do what they do. But so so, so he doesn't claim to have had contact the same way you do. Right, yeah, okay, okay, So you tell him, is what's his response to all this and and everything? Like all of it?

2:01:19 Speaker 1: He he's interested in in the like the up and like the all of this stuff. But he like myself. We both thought maybe I was.

2:01:33 Speaker 5: Sick, okay, and uh, yeah, I guess I don't want to pride to I don't want to pride to you.

2:01:41 Speaker 1: I mean at this point, I mean, it's been hu. I was having trouble mentally contending with all of this. Yeah, so I had. I was having trouble contending with all of it, especially with this idea that nuclear war was my my fault, right like I logically it didn't make sense, but that feeling was still there, that burden, And so I was having mental health issues after I had my conscious contact experience. So what happened was that I got better. I started getting better, but I was still having contact.

2:02:23 Speaker 1: And so right now it's been you know, it's twenty twenty five January. I'm better. And by the way, I'm not on any medication. And that's important because I was. I tried different medication just to make sure even though I knew I was having contact, but just to make sure maybe right, maybe it's not contact.

2:02:42 Speaker 5: Right sure about Like okay, they probably you know they if anyone was diagnosing you, they'd be like, okay, this is sleep paralysis. You know, take this med and this med and this med like the pharmaceutical companies do and incentivize. Yeah, but that's a different story.

2:03:01 Speaker 1: Yeah. And so like I've even after having the conscious contact, I'm thinking, well, you know, it really is crazy. I'm in Georgetown University school, a foreign service. I've invested a lot into my career. If I can just take a pill and make it go away, because I didn't have you know, I didn't understand, and it's a lot, and it's crazy, right, It's crazy to say to come out and say I had et contact, which is why I didn't confide in anyone besides people my inner circle. Anyway. So I said, if I could take a pill, I don't care what it is, I'm going to take it and I'm going to continue on my journey.

2:03:42 Speaker 1: And so I did everything right in that way right and got thorough diagnosis from a psychiatrist, an MD. I went to different kinds of therapy, did it all, and it didn't do anything. It didn't do anything I would. I took like what they call the Ferrari of anti psychotics. I took it. I said screw it, like it was it's like fifteen hundred a month. I didn't pay for it. I got a trial for my doctor at one point because I was willing to put this to rest, take a pill and just continue and ignore it. And it's ferrari, like I said, of it's called result e r e x U l t I and I took it.

2:04:28 Speaker 1: Let it, Yeah, you need to let it settle in anti psychotic. Nope, I took it. And then there was one day, like a couple weeks later where I said, I'm not having any experiences and I breathe because I don't care if I'm taking this right, I don't need to go tell the world I'm taking anti psychotic, although I do have to tell intelligence eventually.

2:04:50 Speaker 5: I was someone asked it in the comments. I was going to ask for your job, though, do you have to tell them?

2:04:58 Speaker 1: You do? But okay, so they have another problem in national security. The US government has to deal with a lot of problems. One of the problems that they have with the intelligence is that people don't tell because your clearance goes under rejudication, and you like, if you don't want to risk your career and you know you're getting help and doing what you need to do, You're like, I don't need some random no name behind a screen taking my clearance away, Like we don't I don't even know who works there, right, Like I don't know.

2:05:30 Speaker 1: So it's like fight club. And everyone I know from military and intelligence is gonna laugh out loud about that. It is fight club. It's like don't tell, don't ask hotel. Yeah, like that's just how it works. And that's a problem because we have suicide problem in the military in national security, and you shouldn't have to choose between your health doing the right thing, which would be to tell them, and they're risking having your clearance pulled away.

2:06:05 Speaker 5: Because of what you tell them. Yeah, it's and this is a problem. Yeah yeah, And I mean this goes this is a broad kind of this isn't just the military we're talking. You know, like pilots for instance. You know, if they report something, the chances of them flying the desk for the rest of their career exponentially grow. And and like you said, they get you know, next thing, you know, they get ordered for a psyche val and you know, they say I saw UFO and shit, you're grounded after that literally and you will be riding.

2:06:42 Speaker 5: And that's why one thing, yeah, good.

2:06:48 Speaker 1: And mental health is used to get out of getting in trouble, so it doesn't even it becomes like, so what happened was and I didn't mean to cut you off because this was insane to me, Okay when I uh. In June twenty twenty three, we have stand down days for different reasons. It was for mental health remedial training, which is here's another problem. It's like a punishment but also the like masket as a mental health day. It's literally h it's literally an emotionally abusive relationship with veterans with military members because you're now blurring the lines of punishment mental health with remedial training.

2:07:34 Speaker 1: So on this particular day, all of the Intelligence Air Force ISR in the reserve or not just IORR. Sorry, it was all career fields, not just intelligence surveounced for connaissance, which is what ISR stands for, which I was in intelligence. All Air Force Reserve has had like a stand down day, and we got chewed out virtually on a virtual call from the wing or the high. The wing is like high, so like you have the base, you have like different squadrons or different units, and then you have like the higher higher like right, we got chewed out by the civilian psychologists because pilots training right flying their training craft, I think on the flight line, which is very very sensitive.

2:08:20 Speaker 1: Obviously on the flight line a lot no one can go unless you're authorized, and there's a lot of rules for that. You can't take pictures things like that because our aircraft and like our high value assets are out there. They took selfies. The pilots took selfies in the copet while they're on the runway, and they crashed the craft, and when they got in trouble, they said they had mental health issues. And the fact that the air force leadership ran with that, not only ran with it because it was they didn't do the right thing.

2:08:53 Speaker 1: These people should be punished given Article fifteens kicked out for even thinking that who the who are you that you could take a selfie in our multi million I don't know how much our multimillion aircraft craft. And also operational. You're operational, like you are tasked with high national security missions, your tasks with going into areas when our ground forces are having trouble, right, so take your training seriously, but you're here taking selfies for probably TikTok, probably putting all of that classified information about the machinery and the equipment on TikTok.

2:09:33 Speaker 1: This has actually happened on Red Note. This actually happened on Red Note, and I actually reposted it saying wow like wow, yeah right, like and then and then now you're going to say mental health and then your leadership. Because they love pilots. They love you guys so much. They love you guys more than the right thing to do. They love you guys more than us. Uh, they decided to just run with that, saying, well, you know what, now we're gonna scream in everyone because of select few pilots who didn't do what they're supposed to do.

2:10:07 Speaker 5: Right. This is dangerous. This is this is this is I mean that sounds borderline like crazy, like like almost like like I think every job place kind of has it. But like if you if anyone's ever worked in the restaurant industry, it's just like it's like high school, right, It's high school drama because it sounds it sounds like this is on steroids with the military. It's just a big high school drama. Uh thing.

2:10:41 Speaker 1: She's a psychologist. You want to know what she said to us?

2:10:45 Speaker 5: Yes, I would love to she.

2:10:47 Speaker 1: Screamed at us, and said, why aren't you getting help? What's wrong with you? Why aren't you getting help? Because because screaming at us when we have a suicide problem and people don't talk about it because of the BS culture that we have, and now you're going to scream at them for not getting it. So now they're just like, you know what, if they were considering getting help and then also reporting it because that's the right thing to do based on what the Air Force wants, now they're just like, you know what, screw it.

2:11:16 Speaker 1: I'm just not going to tell anyone at that point. I'm just going to make a decision for myself. And that's not good. No, that's not good at all. So that's how they deal with mental health.

2:11:26 Speaker 5: And yeah, there's obviously, you know a huge problem with how veterans and you know, veteran care and and you know, we are are our military spends all this money investing into someone into their training, into every facet of their skill set, and then it's, you know, once once they're out, it's like okay, cool, thank you, you know, and then you know, God forbid, you know, you become a homeless maybe using drugs and living in a tent city, that is far too often the case, and there's a huge epidemic, like it's it's a problem, and no one wants to look it in the eye and say what it is.

2:12:13 Speaker 5: And you're right, it's a mental health crisis. It's an epidemic, but we mask ourselves from it because we don't want to see the truth. It's kind of scary, right in a larger picture, But back to back to your own kind of your own situation, your own mental health. If you told the military, like, hey, I if you had your experience, and then the next day went to like your higher ups and you said, I saw grays at the foot of my bed. They showed me nuclear war what happens? But what do you think happens?

2:13:05 Speaker 1: So that wasn't gonna happen for me. There were there was a lack of understanding of priorities in the military. Right, they'll sit here and we'll have suicide prevention training, and then the next session we're having sexual assault training, but they're trying to rush through it and not making sure that anything is clear about decision cycle of reporting sexual harassment. And then you have oh my gosh, and then you have promotions for your AIRMN right, anything that has to happen with life. For some reason, the regiment that the higher ups want take priority over what is best for the vision and so doesn't even have to get to that point.

2:13:51 Speaker 1: My mental health started taking a severe toll because well, yeah, I'm having my experiences, but also because I'm I'm they're they're like not prioritizing and not doing the right thing, and I'm I'm I I've dressed, I addressed issues, and I would have never told anyone about my mental health. But it got to a point where I was well between trying to do the right thing from national securities to the sense making sure like even though I'm going through it, the most important thing to me is that my airmen are taken care of and that I, you know, I make sure they get the right rewards.

2:14:28 Speaker 1: And then I started to notice that even their evaluation cycle is their evaluation, their metrics are messed up because my airmen, you know, it's like character is fundamental, Like I don't give a crap if someone joined some stupid booster club, right, which is like basically like you volunteer service, and then they're slacking off in their day job, right, and they're putting all of the work on their teammates on myself. I had an airman who would stay behind on lunch, which there are many people and this would be traditional military to like, yeah, like that's a given.

2:15:11 Speaker 1: No, it's not a given anymore. Like their whole priorities all with the things they look at. What they value is like left is right, right as left. No, this airman was one airman that I said, you know what, he crushes it at what he does, and I couldn't give him a higher recommendation. And this was the day, actually this day I had I freaked out. I actually freaked out. I took off from my base, which is going a wall. My commander had to come pick me out. I lost my mind. And when she can't pick me up and I I was at this is where I was actually going.

2:15:44 Speaker 1: I was going to kill myself. And I'm not saying that lightly. I was dabbling with it because of the things I was seeing from natural security, from people around me, from what they're doing. They're just not doing the right thing. I'm too low in the totem pole and it's just it's like ass backwards at this station. Yeah, yeah, this day, she picked me up and I said, well, I freaked out and my commander she took I don't know why, though, you know, it just happened. She took the keet for all of Pentagon leadership.

2:16:20 Speaker 1: I said that they need to figure out their shit. I said, I'm going to and I realized I had to leave the Air Force because I was going to say something. And I actually was selected a commission as an officer, an intelligence officer in the Air Force, and I had worked really hard for this for a very long time. I wanted to be an officer. I want to be a leader because I trust myself to take care of people. I don't trust other people, which if you work in the military, I already know it'd be an uphill battle again and again and again.

2:16:46 Speaker 1: I keep dying on a hill and not getting any momentum. Right, I'd worked this hard. I got selected, was I was going to go to otos officer training school after I graduated from Georgetown. But this took a turn, and I said, I'm gonna have to leave. I said, because I'm going to go to our four stars fucking houses. I started cursing. I'm going to go to their efing houses and I'm going to ask you, what the f are you doing to our people? What are you doing? What are you doing? What? What was Afghanistan?

2:17:15 Speaker 1: What is what are you doing?

2:17:17 Speaker 4: Like?

2:17:17 Speaker 1: Well, who what are you? Why are you taking rewards? When you have men who died overseas? Why do I see a goddamn medal for anything that just happened? Right?

2:17:30 Speaker 5: The pullout was was, Oh my god, what a travesty. Uh It should I mean, anyone involved in how that operation happened or allowing it to green light that way should be removed uh from their duties, It's my opinion.

2:17:53 Speaker 1: But especially especially the ones who took a like a ribbon or metal for anything, anything you know, I want I wanted to take I wanted to burn all my ribbons, and by the way they hand them out like candy, I wanted to take them. At that point, I took them off my uniform where I thought I was still going to stay in the blue uniform. It's optional. I was like, I don't even want to wear them. Before I used to it, when I was like brand new, I was like, oh, like, it's awesome, I have an honor ribbon from honor graduate.

2:18:18 Speaker 1: I didn't even care any like the meaning just when I saw people getting medals for the our higher ups generals getting medals for Afghanistan retrograde, I said, this doesn't this is just made in China like a factory garbage, Like I just threw it out. I like, I don't even want to wear it. I'm so disgusted by seeing that people higher ups took metals when we had people die when the Taliban were beating the shit out of Afghan Afghan citizens because they lost utter control.

2:18:48 Speaker 5: Of the of the mob, right, and then not to mention, well, how much the machinery, the equipment, I forget, I forget what it was in like the number, but like somewhere upwards of like billions of dollars of like military grade equipment just left, Like what the fuck are you doing? Who's the who said this was the this is the way we do it. We just disappear overnight and then let the pick it all up and now, you know, broch it just finally the not that to go off on a tangent here politically, I really don't like to, but like we we're paying the Taliban on a like a monthly retainer when we he and luckily he you know, got he just put legislation through to end that and and it got through.

2:19:42 Speaker 5: But why, how how are we funding the Taliban in twenty twenty four, twenty five? Like, it's it's.

2:19:50 Speaker 1: Also funding we're also funding Chinese companies. I'm sorry, Well.

2:19:55 Speaker 5: There's there's more to that.

2:19:58 Speaker 1: US AID and we have an Africa Development Initiative. They're funding Chinese compeg.

2:20:04 Speaker 5: It's it's it is laughable, and it's very much laughable. It's it's I mean, the Chinese Belton Road Initiative, by the way, genius, right, deal with all the countries The United States, Uh doesn't because you know they let's just say that they don't agree with how the country's run, you know, politically, you know, and and the way that the world will see it optically, uh, you know, decides whether the United States will do a business with a country or whatever. But China is like, we'll come in and we'll build your highways and uh just just you know, we're gonna maybe one day have to land something on them.

2:20:44 Speaker 5: You cool with that? Sure, all right, sign me up. And then you know it's it's just it's a brilliant idea and they're taking up space in South America, UH Africa, all over the all over the world. It's it's it's absolutely crazy. They're coming very close to to the front door.

2:21:03 Speaker 1: They are using civilian assets for military means, like they're using their state owned enterprises to build runways that their fighters can take off and land on. And the US military I'm laughing because the US military doesn't look at the private section like they don't they div that they divvied up everything. So so China's just doing everything and and we've split the world into like it's like different pieces. We've we literally just like we took our glasses and we just smashed them. We're like, now, start to put them back on.

2:21:39 Speaker 1: Let's go out, let's get after it. That's that's the US government. Smashed glasses, wear them and then navigate reality.

2:21:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, try to blind you know, see through the cracks. It's just it's it's not gonna be it's not gonna end. Well, you're gonna fall down some stairs. But okay, so I I the nupe that you saw go off, that whole experience that kind of brought more memories back. You said, right, so how long do you think you've been contacted? And hear me out on this. Do you think that you were predetermined or kind of like pre destined to end up exactly where you are right now, but like by design.

2:22:37 Speaker 1: It's really funny that you asked that, because I literally was just thinking, I honestly I believe that this was the life that I was supposed to go down. I was supposed to go this way. I mean, it's hard for me not to see it, because I do. I have had contacts since I was younger, and just series of different things in my life. You know, I would it wasn't on my Bengo card to go deep in debt at Georgetown University School Foreign Service only to leave National Security and then talk about my extraterrestrial contact experiences on X like this wasn't I would.

2:23:22 Speaker 1: I would just forego Georgetown at that point. I would just cut to the chase and go on X and talk about ETS, you know what I mean. So it's hard not to say it. Just it feels very it's like an illogical path.

2:23:40 Speaker 5: Okay, so well, I guess all right, maybe let me revise that and go a little deeper. Do you think that there's a commonality in your experiences with the graze, like have they been a part of your life, always like showing you, guiding you and warning you potentially, and that is where you get all these kind of adult intuitions, like as even as a kid, you talked about, you know, having these really like existential thoughts. Do you think it possibly could could have been from these contact situations and that you were being you were part of maybe some sort of like I don't know, initiative or whatever they seem to be trying to do by warning us individually, because they're not like coming out and saying, hey, guys, stop with the nukes, like they're not doing that right.

2:24:47 Speaker 5: They let us launch them. They sometimes shut our bases down, shut our nukes down, show us that they're there right, that they're always watching kind of like Santa Claus in a weird way, but they don't overtly say no, we're not letting you do this. So why are they warning us on an individual basis rather than coming out and saying it. I guess that's my thought path is. You know, like I said, you had these really like really existential thoughts as a kid, Could there be correlation? I think you're muted?

2:25:29 Speaker 1: Sorry, So if you watch near death experiences, the grays are seen, So I think it was doctor even Alexander, which is a weird name even right, even ye, doctor even Alexander said that he saw grays during his near death experience. And I actually, like separately, have glimpses of before I came to Earth. I don't talk about it because it's like, you know, this goes into like a little bit of the spiritual and stuff like that, and I know it's still contentious, especially we have different you know, religions and things like that.

2:26:02 Speaker 1: But I have this like memory of before I incarnated, and I have the grades, Like my grades for me are like they've just part of my life since I was really young, and like when I started to like when I had my conscious experience and all, it was like everything came full circle and made a lot of sense for me. I uh. Actually, like if we think about God and incarnation and incarnations and reincarnation and things like that, we could say that the higher dimensions are the ones who do override everything in the lower dimensions, and then maybe we could even argue that there is an element.

2:26:50 Speaker 1: Like I'm not speaking about all grades, and I know people have negative experiences, but my experiences with the grades are to help my soul stay the course it plans or intended to stay. And I didn't want to go down this this Uh actually I didn't want to talk about this because it does go into a little bit of like spiritual and like people get offended, and but that's what I my perspective, and that's really what I feel like. I I they were with my soul. Yeah, they can helping my soul stay on course because we can get lost.

2:27:26 Speaker 5: Well, there's an argument to be said right that, I mean, maybe we're conflating. You know where the idea where religion came from is are these guiding forces right called a guardian angel or you know whatever you want angels, fairies. Maybe the only thing that's change is the name, right, the name that we use. But it's all the same thing. So yeah, because you're not the first person to ever bring up like I think I might have signed up for this ride before even coming here. It's being talked about like you know, like some sort of like soul contract and you know, reincarnate to Earth and you know you bring back your experiences to the to the one.

2:28:14 Speaker 5: And yes, that is very wu And I tend to be kind of nuts and boltsy. But that's only because I truly believe that society is going to have to be They're not going to digest it all at once. If we go saying, hey, guys, like you might be taken out of your bed and there's anyone can do to stop it, right, maybe we have to just get to the NHI exists point before we can have that conversation. So it's almost strategic, right, and how we lay it out, how we roll it out.

2:28:49 Speaker 1: Mhmm, yeah, I would do it.

2:28:53 Speaker 5: Yeah.

2:28:53 Speaker 1: I think Jock Vlat has a really good perspective, holistic perspective of it that is not exclusive and all encompassing, and that we see things through our lens, through our paradigm, and that it doesn't mean it's wrong, it's just through our own perspective. And then maybe like we see maybe it's kind of like a Tower of Babel experience because we can only go based off of our perspective. And then like in that way, it's like we're seeing things through the meaning that we ascribe to our experiences, and meaning is really what's fundamental to language, and that maybe we take language for granted, but meaning is more nuanced and contextualized based on set experiences.

2:29:41 Speaker 5: H that's very well said, very well said. So I all right, if there was if there is one thing that you want someone listening, someone watching to take away from your experience and what you're trying to tell the people, what would that be.

2:30:08 Speaker 1: Well, I I honestly, I don't honestly like I'm just

2:30:18 Speaker 1: I'm just sharing the truth about my experiences. Like I said, I this this conflicts directly with my reputation, especially with people who aren't familiar with the phenomenon or are not like accepting of it, who work in natural security. And so it is that that is in direct conflict with that, but I like it needs to be discussed, and I, like I said, I have no proof or evidence of my personal experiences, and so it's maybe like you know, if you have experiences like you know, like and then we like start to compare notes, say okay, like maybe this part, maybe you know, maybe this part but I interpreted differently, or this could be like this, and then we like assign probabilities and like really like that's really like how we should go about things because I think our trust, like our like unfettered trust in people, people in power people each other, Like unfettered trust is what brought us into this mess and we have to like climb our way out of it.

2:31:31 Speaker 1: So I'm all all on board with us just being like putting everything in an uncertainty box. Logically you would put my experience in an uncertainty box. Uh, that's logical and rational, and that's nothing to get mad about. That's actually good. Like I'm like, yeah, like put a question mark because I don't have proof for evidence, and then just table it for when something you know else corroborates an element of what I say.

2:31:58 Speaker 5: No, that's it's a that's a great way to say it, honestly. And you know, the one thing one of the things I fear the most is or maybe you know, maybe it's even why you know where we need help in the first place. Is it seems that the black programs or whoever runs them, let's call let's just say that, they're let's call them the deep state. Like everyone else, they're the face or the face of humanity in terms of the non human intelligence, you know whatever. And that scares me because if they're coming at it with their own agenda, you know, this military you know, defense exploit for gain, you know, profit attitude.

2:32:53 Speaker 5: It concerns me because you know that I don't think that's that that that so how mankind should be represented. And I don't think the government or any any person or governing body on this planet has a right to speak or enter us into anything as a as a as a whole. And the fact that if there is you know, if this is all true, if this, you know, if if aliens are actually here among us, non human intelligence, and it is being covered up by whomever, that is I consider a crime against humanity because that's like trying to classify if snails exist.

2:33:37 Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense. You can't classify that. It's it's stupid to even try to begin to do that. So I just worry that because we've always as humanity, we've always just we we crave subjugation, whether it's from the Church, the King's we need someone who to follow, and that person who leverages that power seems to be the face of humanity, and it's not working in our best interests as a whole so far. I think the cover up started with the Vaticate, I really do, because I think who is the top dog before the United States, who ran the world.

2:34:24 Speaker 5: Well the church did, right, So I think there's more to that, and I think the cover up started a long time ago, before even the age of the nuclear weapon. But I think, you know, these are my thoughts, my own opinions and theories. But I really do worry that the military or someone with a military mindset is right now dictating our communication with non human intelligence. And that concerns me because you know, are they going to tell us to turn around and say it's a threat we need to fight, you know, start an interplanetary war.

2:35:08 Speaker 5: That would be logically the next step some sort of false flag. You know, you talked about false flags earlier. There's this idea of the ultimate false flag, right, the fake alien invasion, And I worry that that is actually something that that's real.

2:35:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I would even argue that the same comply to when we have Americans engage in corruption or opium farming, or god only knows what else on behalf of the US government, they are not leaving a fine mark on the US government and so, and this would also extend to corporations who get bailed out for crimes against humanity in different countries. Is like the Democratic Republic of Congo. You know, I posted something like two days ago. So I'm taking this uh and applying it to human human affairs where it's like the US and China are co signing on crimes against humanity in the Congo.

2:36:18 Speaker 1: Right, And this goes back to who's the good guy? When we were joking earlier about black programs farming opium and smuggling opium in city United States on behalf of quote the good guys, and I'm like, yeah, well, you know, it looks like we're the good and bad guys, especially you you look at the population of the United States, Like, the more you identify with a group, the bigger the group, well, the less you know who's in that group. So if you call yourself we or like identify in any group, then you're taking on the burden of that whole group, and then you don't know who's who, Like people selling out left and right things like that, and doing things that they're not supposed to be doing.

2:37:02 Speaker 5: I agree, I agree, it's a it's a fun Like I said, the division is I think it's the ultimate it's the ultimate weapon against society, like global the global society. It's the ultimate tool that is used against us is the social engineering of like, oh, you're black, I'm white. We're different. It's like, no, that's not how it works, you know, that's not His skin is just a you know, and and white people like to think that we were the first. We were not we were. I guess if you want to call it a process of evolution, right, because if life started where we think it started in the in the Middle East, the skin would have been darker, you know, to accommodate for the sun in the in the intensity of it.

2:38:01 Speaker 5: So, you know, I think it's I just think it's funny how weird or weird how things have turned over the years. And and there's this like quote unquote white privilege. So I mean, I don't know, it's like world politics and all that shit. Aside, I do think it united humanity is something that the deep state fears, and they'll do anything to keep us fighting amongst each other so that we don't ask too many questions, keep.

2:38:30 Speaker 1: Them people of power will become on prety Well, we're unpredictable if we don't fall in line with the narratives or you know, the ideologies that they expect us to fall in line with. I say, I shot you a message really quick.

2:38:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I I really do want to say thank you for for taking time out of your day. I know I have probably I probably have a lot more that I would like to get to, but we are at like the two forty mark. Uh so I'm probably gonna break it here. But I think that I think that there's a lot to be said for your for for your encounters, and much more for you to explore. You're very new to to you know what's going on, and you know you'll probably learn more in the coming years about yourself, and you know, I'd very much like to see where that goes.

2:39:31 Speaker 5: So thank you, thank you, Thank you so much for coming on, and thank you for your service to the country.

2:39:37 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for everyone listening. I messaged him that I have to pee like that's I. I love speaking to you. This was an awesome interview and I wish I honestly, if you want to wait like two three minutes, I just have to use the rest room. That was learly why I said I message to you, But you know.

2:39:54 Speaker 5: What I do, We'll round it out because I did have one more thing that I wanted to run by you, and it's something that I just noticed. So yeah, take a We'll take a two minute breather.

2:40:05 Speaker 1: Perfect, That's that's all I need.

2:40:10 Speaker 5: I'm gonna play some uh music. I guess I've never done this. Other streams do that, though they break. I just don't have a Jamie to hit pause. Oh my god.

2:40:36 Speaker 4: M h.

2:40:39 Speaker 1: M hmmmm h.

2:40:48 Speaker 4: M hm.

2:40:49 Speaker 5: Hm. Damn it. Nothing stayed on there. Oh my camera's off,

2:43:03 Speaker 5: so thank you. I had to. I had to switch chairs. My back was hurt. That other chair is uh, it's not what the hell? Okay, So I'll work on this little camera thing. But I'd like to ask you, so there is a Oh cool, it just came on. Look, I didn't even have to do anything. There's a theory that has been posed by a guy named Michael Masters, and you know, you you actually hinted at it a little bit earlier, calling the grays kind of like gender genderless and maybe like that's where we go. We did just talk a little bit about like evolution and that, do is it?

2:43:44 Speaker 5: Do you think it would be probable or possible that that maybe they're not extraterrestrials and that they are actually from here, just from a different time.

2:43:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I actually, if our souls come and God exists outside of space time, right, he he could see y'all and our souls you know, they come, you know, they come from God, They come from Heaven, the higher dimensions.

2:44:17 Speaker 1: If we think about it right, time doesn't exist, So what would that make the grace? And also think about it this way too, is that if space time is a dimension, the fourth dimension, and then there's something outside like the fifth dimension, et cetera, and so we look at it from that vantage point, then really everything is non local, everything is all at once. And then that raises a lot of questions.

2:44:49 Speaker 5: It does it? Really? It does absolutely raise a lot of questions. I I guess because kind of just trying to loosen up down and kind of go a little deeper.

2:45:05 Speaker 5: What would you what is your best guess as to to what what is going on in the like with why do people get abducted? Why do people get their eggs taken? You know, do you think that there's uh, you know, some sort of hybridization program going on? Like what are your takes on all those things? You know, having had contact yourself, which is positive, what is your take on the negative?

2:45:36 Speaker 1: The negative is that there is uh if we go by you know, by the Bible. If we go by you know, free will and just free will in general in general, then there's free will, uh is a defined law. And that being said, we see people and we hear of ets. I call them et is just because of what they what the grades look like, uh, and what conventionally we're known as extraterrustrial in like a space time or in a three D framework. But if we see it time and again with each other and with people, uh, with free will, that you can also impinge on someone else's free will.

2:46:20 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Oh, of course, of course, because you know, and I've always had this kind of thought that you know, deja vu or even things like the Mendela effect are like kind of like rips in the the the fabric of reality itself. Because time, like you said, is time is relevant. It's it's a man made like linear construction. Time is more of a force than like kind of like it's it's more like gravity than it is a clock on the wall.

2:46:54 Speaker 1: Right, So it's like caused an effect from like a linear standpoint.

2:46:58 Speaker 5: Right right. And I've been watching the series Dark and I posted about this a couple of days ago. But it is so fucking good and and I didn't watch originally. I love stories. I I just like I'm a facility. I love stories. I love a good story. Love. There's something about like immersing, immersing yourself in something that's bigger than yourself that it's like, you know why like Marvel, why like superhero stories? Right, It's it's it's like the ultimate version of yourself on screen and for a minute you get to pretend that you know you're morally not corrupt, even though we're all flawed.

2:47:44 Speaker 1: It's it's who you could be, right. So it's like I feel like it's someone I could be that I would aspire to be.

2:47:52 Speaker 5: Right. I would like to be Captain America. Like not just because Chris Evans is like a good looking dude, but you know his uh, you know, CAP's morality, Like he always does the right thing because not because it's what's going to get him thanked, but it's going it's what needs to be done. Same thing with Batman. But that arc type is something that I really love. And maybe it's because I view myself as, you know, a little bit bit broken morally, and would I make the same decisions. I'd like to think i'd say absolutely, but what I I don't know.

2:48:27 Speaker 5: I don't know. So I think, you know, we're all the hero of our own story, but we're also the villain of our own story. And I can't help but think that you know, these this this contact, right, this idea of contact with a non human intelligence? Is it? Is it real?

2:48:53 Speaker 1: Like?

2:48:54 Speaker 5: Is it actually real? I've seen what I've seen, I've experienced that I've experienced, what I've heard. Is any of this real? Are we in some sort of like simulation? Right?

2:49:05 Speaker 1: Like?

2:49:05 Speaker 5: Because that's a that's a theory that's been prevalent lately, and uh, I've been going down that rabbit hole, and it's like, Jesus, I hope I'm not an NPC. I really hope so.

2:49:18 Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

2:49:21 Speaker 5: But I that's that those are the kind of thoughts that that I have now, Like you know, I've had so many years to really like think about what I've been through, what other people have been through, and kind of connect dots. I don't know how far along you are on your journey, but it feels very limited to just think that, like, all right, there's this phenomena, it's only coming from a different planet, right that I think that's a very fragmented look, and I think it's more possibility that these things are from different dimensions, that these things are from different you know, possibly different worlds that are just like our own.

2:50:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, those are really interesting things to think about. I actually stop at like these are great thought experiments, and I recognize them as it. But once I found what was really truly important to me in this lifespan, I stopped entertaining that. And that's because I can't do anything about I can't get that information no matter how much I like try to dig and try to figure it out, really I'll get lost. And then all that time I could have spent building I.

2:50:51 Speaker 5: Don't know, I did not I hear yet or.

2:50:55 Speaker 1: You know, yelling at the US government so that they can the president of Rwanda to the table and threatened him so he stops invading and torturing children in East Congo. These are things that are important to me, and so like I am like in the disclosure space, and I did like at that time when I had my initial conscious contact, I went hardcore down the rabbit hole. But then I started to learn more about child trafficking and sex trafficking and all these different things, and I was wasting time on my for myself, and I said, I need to focus on this because I'm an intelligence I'm trained intelligence professional, and I can save a child from traffickers.

2:51:51 Speaker 1: The only part I have trouble with is I don't want to play the stupid game. But you can't kill people. No, I want to bring all these traffickers to an island.

2:51:59 Speaker 5: And then I want to.

2:52:01 Speaker 1: Them, yeah, like like just do like uh like bio warfare tests on them and then and then I would charge the US to use them as Yeah, and then we use these traffickers, uh and people who are hurting and profiting off children. We use them to test all of our nuclear and bio warfare capabilities on an island that is far remote so that it doesn't impact anyone around us. I'm going to stop there because I'm already on the I'm on the naughty list. I'm on the naughty list, and I'm going to be canceled. Even though I feel like, uh, you get all could get off board, we can get on board about the child trafficking.

2:52:41 Speaker 5: No, absolutely, I listen. I'm with you, sister, I'm with you.

2:52:44 Speaker 1: I'm going to get canceled.

2:52:46 Speaker 5: But yeah, you get to watch that long because you might get canceled before you have a.

2:52:51 Speaker 1: Whole plan too. I was like the plan started forming as I was saying, and I'm like, I need to stop mombit.

2:52:57 Speaker 5: And like I said, have similar thought experiments have crossed into my mind. What do you so? What's your take then? So as someone who's in intelligence, you know, and you kind of like to go on evidence and and actionable intelligence, not just you know, hearsay or or or circumstantial you know certain things, What what is your thought on, like like certain aspects of potentially someone brought it up earlier, but like rituals, spiritual rituals and you know, trying to astral project or you know, witchcraft and that kind of stuff like the parent more paranormal side of things.

2:53:49 Speaker 5: How do you how do you look at that as an as an intelligence person?

2:53:56 Speaker 1: The same way my changed after my experience. Before, I would have never said any of this was plausible. In fact, I even thought debunkers were crazy for wasting time on this. That's how far away far removed I was. But after my experience, and you know, the same could be said about my experience of degories, So I keep an open mind a lot of stuff. I'm like, there's a lot that I don't know, Like I don't even know what I don't even know.

2:54:26 Speaker 5: Of course that's I mean, that's that's how you have to go, right, So you don't know what you don't know. And I So the final kind of what I wanted to wrap up on is so while we were doing while we started this show, you know, we talked about a little bit about that that crash. There was another crash while we were doing this, a jet in Philadelphia. It's kind of I don't know, it's just weird, but it looked nefarious. Uh if you if you if that's the word, do you want to Uh, I don't know. I don't know.

2:55:05 Speaker 5: I don't want to get canceled either, but there what do you? So we we talked about the DC crash. There's been another one though, and I'm gonna try to look it up. But someone brought it up in the comments earlier. I didn't see it, but then someone just pointed it back out in that it looks like in the apparently there's video some video that looks like a missile hits it. Now I'm not I haven't seen this. I'm trying to look it up. But if anyone in the comments can send a link to where you're seeing this, I would be I'd very much like to see that or about that.

2:55:46 Speaker 1: I just looked it up. I didn't hear about this.

2:55:49 Speaker 5: So what are they? So what is going on? Is it just a jet in the northeast Philadelphia?

2:55:57 Speaker 1: Okay, it's a brand new it's our brand new fighter.

2:56:02 Speaker 5: Oh wow, so six people? Oh yeah, right here CBS news, Oh wow, So look at the this is just does this feel odd? Or is it just me like with the DC thing and then this does something? Does it every day just seem like a bad sci fi movie all of a sudden or is it just me like ever since fucking Thanksgiving with the drones in New Jersey, ever since then, it's been like one bad sci fi movie day after day. And uh yeah, so apparently six people?

2:56:38 Speaker 1: Wow?

2:56:39 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't know what. I don't see any videos. I don't know what that person was talking about where a missile hits it? But oh, maybe a small plane you see that in the area.

2:56:55 Speaker 1: And we've got Joe on the phone. Joe, do you have any more information about what we are looking at. Now.

2:57:01 Speaker 4: You see, I've been working my police sources, and I don't have a monitor up to see what it is you are looking at. But I do have photos from the scene, in fact one with you if you want to.

2:57:11 Speaker 5: Take a look.

2:57:12 Speaker 4: It is at the inner would appear to be the Boulevard and Ruberstry and it is just police sources there mean that the plane when came down, Uh, it's.

2:57:25 Speaker 1: Parts of the plane hit the cars in the area.

2:57:28 Speaker 4: Some businesses near the Roosevelt Mall are on a fire, as are some other structures. I'm breaking the figure out, you know. It's it's the extent of damage there and possible degree I'm sharing, uh some grim details that we have not yet confirmed, but from some of the descriptions of law enforcement on the scene, this is a ADA stay scenario there in northeast Philadelphia and if walking.

2:58:01 Speaker 5: Through So yeah, I don't, I don't. I just I thought that because the person messaged me and said there's a video that looks like a missile hits it, So that's why I wanted to bring it up. But I don't see any of that video. I don't know if that person was just messing around.

2:58:15 Speaker 1: But this is a different This is wow, this is actually what you showed different than the F thirty five fighter jet that was two days ago.

2:58:27 Speaker 5: There's more, how many more? So planes are just falling out of the sky for a living now, this is not Yeah again, I I I hate, I really really really really hate to sound conspiratorial because like with stuff like this, there's real people involved, right, there's like real affected people. But like I just have this gut feeling and I've had it for a long time that something like the state just being set for something bad, like some sort of false flag and this I've tweeted about this several times, and you kind of said it earlier.

2:59:11 Speaker 5: It's like you had this overarching feeling of imminent doom. You can go back to my ex profile, like go back two months and you'll say there's a post that I was like, I can't help but feel that like something we're on the verge of something that is going to change humanity as we know it, and it just seems like the stage is constantly now being set for something weird, and I don't know what that is.

2:59:40 Speaker 1: We have to be careful because going back to what you said after nine to eleven, how quickly we were willing to abdicate our freedom. What happens in like in this kind of scenario, or like in the nine to eleven scenario, is we go into fight or flight mode. And when we're in fear mode, and we saw this during COVID as well, we're more controllable and we are not making very rational decisions. And I want to kind of just really quick touch on something that I noticed at Georgetown University when I was in a technology focused program, so science, technology, and international affairs, and the future that was being painted was a bleak future.

3:00:17 Speaker 1: You have to understand this was twenty twenty one, so we were just based barely climbing out of COVID, and from the perspective of people from Washington, d C. In the establishment, Trump painted a very dark future, and so in their eyes, so did populism. So the populism which is unpredictable, along with high technology and the multi prong threat coming from different bad actors or adversaries of the United States government, all of this painted a very bleak and dark picture. So what I noticed was that when we would write policy papers, which are basically recommendations, that we would make to the US government, to congressmen on how to tackle certain problems within government, society, or even business.

3:01:07 Speaker 1: We were, well, the picture was painted that it was a dark picture, and so you're providing a solution in a dark picture. Well, if you are painting a dark picture, you're basically saying that this future is happening, right, this future is inevitable, and you're looking at basically looking at things from as you're some standpoint, and so naturally you're more inclined to propose regulations in this case on technology, propose regulations to control AI development and things like that. But the problem is goes back to the other thing I said, is that they operate within the system that was manufactured.

3:01:50 Speaker 1: It's basically artificial, it's man made. The real world doesn't work like this. So no matter what regulations you put up, not everyone's following them. And we saw this, We see this with the black programs that are just even worse, right even worse. They're unacknowledged because they're like, we don't even want them to know because they're going to do things that are going to stifle our development. Right there, there are actually justified reasons in their eyes for not letting people see everything because we're literally cutting our own legs off with all this regulation, especially when it comes to the private sector and innovation in defense and stuff like that.

3:02:29 Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're stovepiping it and with that, you're never going to get the best people to be able to work on it. It's going to be who's going to keep the secret, right, Who's who's who's the narcissists that you can get that can do also do the job and keep the gut keep their mouth shut. Right, You're not going to get the best of the best in these fields because you're gonna have to compromise. You know, when they take a polygraph test and they don't they don't, you know, score the way you want them to write.

3:03:01 Speaker 5: So you know, I feel like they're the only way this thing works. And we found on nine to eleven how stove piping information can fuck us over and we will. It seems like we won't learn the lesson, Like it's it's it's I guess that they say is right right. Histories, you know, those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it.

3:03:25 Speaker 1: Well.

3:03:27 Speaker 5: Prime example, United States of America or modern day United States of America, And I wanted to ask if if there was a global world war that starts, what would you what do you think the most likely contenders for said conflict would be? Like? Is it US? In the US? In China? Is it Russia? US? Is it?

3:03:57 Speaker 1: What?

3:03:58 Speaker 5: What do we? Look? What do you think?

3:04:01 Speaker 1: What I think? I think the transnational legacy elite have underground bunkers or probably corporate shut Look, assuming that the UAP, which we have seen plenty of data, and I have plenty of data, we have it. The question is do private companies also have access to that? Are they are these like military companies, you know, stripping out some of the national security components like they do with their regular fighters. Right when we sell fighters strip down F thirty fives to Taiwan. Would the same thing be happening with these UAPs?

3:04:36 Speaker 1: So then okay, assuming that if you have more money and basically you can buy all these things, so only wealthy, wealthy people are going to be able to sustain any impact of this civilizational calamity or something like that. So what's going to happen is that the elite, the people in power, the ultra elite, are going to have underground by grist, they'll be able to survive it, and then humanity, humanity will be destroyed. So in the end of the day, it's not it's not good for any anyone. It's like, what's the point, Like why are people paying the price?

3:05:15 Speaker 1: Why are people paying the price for what people bad people are doing? And so, and then what would be the ultimate from like uh, nuclear war level China and the United States?

3:05:30 Speaker 5: Right, so that you think that's the main that would be the main vis a vis if it were to happen, is the US and China would be the conflict that kind of sets it sets it off. And now now and your assessment as an analyst, how likely is China to move on Taiwan? Like if they say, say, because Trump's not going to be in office forever, right and let's just say that he's the only thing that's keeping it at bay right now. You know, because if I was China and I watched what was happening in Russia and Ukraine, I would say, guys, we can go in.

3:06:18 Speaker 5: We could take it right now, we could do it right And there's and and you know, because we had a president who was literally like asleep at the wheel and a vice president, who was campaigning more than half the time. She had been locked in a closet for the past three and a half years to my knowledge, after her terrible border speeches. No one saw her until she was the nominee for president, and it just seemed like we were really vulnerable at that moment. I thought China would make the move then, but they didn't.

3:06:53 Speaker 5: Do you see in a future where they do make the move.

3:07:00 Speaker 1: Really, you know, this is where it comes down to our own self awareness and decision making. The Trump administration has really like Tulsi Gabbert needs to be appointed. It's I won't even entertain it. It's not controversial, it's not business as usual. Tulci Gabert needs to be the director of OD and I of D and I period R. Get them, Get them all in Congress is going to get us into war. Congress and the establishment national security apparatus is going to get us into war. There are a lot of things that the it's McCarthyism, not only with uh demop of like being pro Trump, you know all this stuff.

3:07:45 Speaker 1: It's McCarthyism with even entertaining a broader perspective of foreign policy in the United States. You're suddenly anti American. Well that you know, to me, that sounds very I don't know, Marxist or collectivist. So you can't deviate from the crowd. Is very collectivist, it's dangerous. Well, yes, yes it is. And China has a different view of Russia Ukraine situation. So I wasn't trained on the Ukraine situation. But the constitution of Ukraine was changed to where it was no longer a buffer zone and it could become a part of NATO.

3:08:24 Speaker 1: And there was an agreement, right, there was an agreement between the West and NATO and and Russia.

3:08:31 Speaker 5: Right, So that in Russia. Right, So that I'm sorry to cut off, but I think I fucked you over there. I fucked your speech. But we had NATO after World War two or maybe yeah, after world War two in the Cold War? Right, the only condition or there was a condition that NATO could not be in a place like that's on the Russia border, right, is it something like that?

3:09:00 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was an agreement that it would be preserved as a buffer zone between NATO and Russia.

3:09:08 Speaker 5: Right, which we violated multiple times.

3:09:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, So.

3:09:15 Speaker 5: I'm not like, I'm really not because I don't want to sound like I'm like for Putin or anything, I'm not. But you know, the West again, we talk about us being the hero, and you know the way we see ourselves as the hero quote unquote, But there were things in play, and it said, you know, like, if you cross that line, then we're going to have a problem. And NATO has crossed that line so so many times that you can't even count them all or list them all. So you kind of look at Putin and say, we've actually had a tremendous amount of restraint because you know, this could have happened ten whatever, you know, many years ago when they first violated it, or however many years as a go.

3:10:00 Speaker 5: But and he made it good. It made it very abundant. In a speech that he that he delivered and he said, how would the United States like it if we went into like Brazil or South America, Mexico and parked our military there with with at weapons of mass destruction aimed at the civilian population. How would you guys feel Would that make Would that let you sleep at night? Would you feel good about that situation? Probably not? And I can honestly see what he's saying.

3:10:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the other issue of viewing the situation as black and white is that when you have a common enemy, and you have an enemy that you've we're all groomed and you know, by people who grew up in the Cold War, and it goes without saying that Russia is not my friend. Like if Russia could use me personally as a tool to screw over the government and then let me get dried up and wash out, they would hell yeah, they would use me to do whatever they want and then they would let whoever kill me, or they would kill me.

3:11:09 Speaker 1: They don't care, right like that, They operate like the mafia, which sounds like the CIA if you ask me, from what we know about the CIA. But anyway, so knowing that, right, that's the situation, we now we can see. You know, it's not just because you're seeing the situation critically from a critical standpoint. You're not pro Russia, right, like you're not suicidal. Yeah, but we see what's happening with uh, we see what happened with Ukraine, right they changed the constitution. We know they don't talk about it because you can't touch it.

3:11:47 Speaker 1: You're you're suddenly a Russian plant. If you talk about the ethnography or like the you know, the different the identity and like the nuances of Ukraine and history.

3:11:57 Speaker 5: Uh.

3:11:57 Speaker 1: And then you you can also look at it from an individual standpoint. To be frank, if I was a Ukrainian living in Ukraine, I don't want to go under Russia because now you're going to be subject to sanctions. You can't travel freely, right, you don't have that freedom of maneuver movement as you would if you were a part of NATO or just a buffer country. So I wouldn't want to be as an individual. I'm just saying that. But it is nuanced, right, It's nuanced. And then now we see with Romania is that they're using the Russia election interference and that's certainly the case, right, that's certainly happening.

3:12:29 Speaker 1: But they're using this as an exam as a reason to cancel an election because of a right wing guy who doesn't want to have war with Russia is gaining popularity, and they keep doing this stuff where anyone who's on the right or is deviating from the collective of the mob. The mob at this point is the left when you look at it across the Western across the Western hemisphere, and then in the Eastern though we have seen and then southern, but southern hemisphere, but we see pushback. They call it a pink wave when there's a populas right wing pushback against the socialism and the left wing institutions or left wing of those countries.

3:13:15 Speaker 1: But Romania just canceled its election, and so now you're like, you're forced to contend with the question of like is it worth canceling the election? Right, And at this point they've thrown around Russian puppet and ascid and all these things so much that they've diluted these words, just like the ribbons of my uniform for all of the things I did were diluted when generals who lost people under their command and even after the Afghanistan retrograde, accepted their ribbons like it didn't mean anything at that point.

3:13:48 Speaker 1: The same goes with like when you throw around words like Russian acid or whatever. Now it's like we don't we I don't believe it. First of all, if you're using Russian acid, it's with right wing I already know this is something that was politicized, and whoever is doing it is either witting and weaponizing it to achieve their own objectives. Or there an unwitting NPC puppet of people who are pushing their own nefarious objectives. And these people are just not seeing the whole picture and can't see and so they're also essentially like you know, we have to have you know, that's why the Constitution's important, because we can push back because bad speech.

3:14:32 Speaker 1: To fight bad speech, you need more speech.

3:14:36 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I couldn't agree more. Really I couldn't. And to Joey about the prison planet thing, Listen, I would love to get into that, but that is a can of worms that I don't know if I'm ready to open right now, because I am a probably I've been up since four im so probably gonna have to call it soon. Prison planet thing is a very interesting way to look at it, but I don't know, I don't know. I just I can't. I can't see that being a possibility with because when I look at Earth, I look at what and people are so so focused on living their lives according to you know, this religion, that religion so they can get into heaven after this life.

3:15:20 Speaker 5: Everyone's so concerned with what happens after when we don't realize that the paradise that we live in called Earth, so so such biodiversity, such different landscapes and just experiences that you can have all over the world in different places, you know, based on geographical location. It just goes to show how diverse this planet is, how amazing it really is. So, if anything, I think it would be the opposite of a prison planet. I think it would be something that I mean, we're like a like remember when in COVID what they called people super spreaders.

3:16:02 Speaker 5: We're like a life super spreader. That's what I think. But yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know what to think. Could you say that we're in a prison planet? Does it feel that way?

3:16:21 Speaker 1: It did for a little bit when I first had my experience, I felt like I couldn't breathe, Like I just felt like I was stuck, especially because I broke space time and then aliens and then I'm stuck in my own circumstances. It did. But after I started to you know, figure things out, and a lot of it is also going inward, right, It was like a lot of going inward too and collecting. Well, okay, like if I'm on a prison planet and they're like, you want to get on a ship and go somewhere else today? Where am I going to go?

3:16:58 Speaker 1: Like, do you want to hang out? If you want to not be around human beings, you want to be around aliens? Okay, Like yeah, then the prison is that you can't go and go to Project Curpo or do anything like that, right, Like unless I don't know, unless you dig, if you really try to figure out how to find one of these secret space programs, I don't know, Like that might not be a possibility.

3:17:17 Speaker 5: You just said that. I didn't even I would. I would really, I would not have pegged someone like you, who's to know something as obscure as that. That's very very funny Project Surpo'. It's it's but it's also a synchronicity. So that's why I laughed, sorry, not at you with you, But I don't know, Yeah, I just I don't think this is a prison. I think this is a I think it's a paradise. And we often overlook that, we forget and we're so concerned with, you know, whatever comes next. It's like, dude, I don't know if you noticed, but nobody knows.

3:17:57 Speaker 5: Really, So enjoy yourself while you're here. But there are some probably some you know, really good laws and morality, you know thing morale issues like obviously don't murder anybody murder and then say kill don't murder, you know that kind of stuff. But the for me, religion, it's it's hard to get behind, honestly. So MICHAELA I am. I'm I'm gonna start rambling soon, so I'm probably gonna I'm probably gonna have to wrap it here. I would really love to have you back on though. You You're someone I could like, I could go go go back and forth with about different issues, and I could see how you could be a good guest for various different issues.

3:18:46 Speaker 5: So where can so if someone wanted to continue engaging with you and following what you're doing, how could they do that?

3:18:55 Speaker 1: Yes, well, honestly, this has been awesome and I could literally we could talk about anything for forever. And I'd love to be back on the show. So if people want to find me, they can go to My ex is just at mckela Fachar. It's just speled how my name is spelt, no space obviously, no space, no dot between, just Mikeela Fachar. It's one word, yes.

3:19:21 Speaker 5: And the link is in the description below right past the bio. You can click the link and it'll bring you right to your page. Definitely follow her and stay in tuned with what comes next, because I think I think we're about to have like kind of like a global awakening to a degree. Something's that. I think something's happening, and I look forward to to seeing the end of the ride or seeing it through at least me too. So again, thank you MICHAELA and to everyone watching super super good way to help the show out if you're watching is to subscribe.

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3:20:33 Speaker 5: So I would I would definitely hit the belt for notifications for those episodes. Mikayla amazing as always. I just want to again say thank you for your service to the country. I alwould like to remind everyone that, you know, our veterans they need to be not just taken care of, but they need to be recognized and we need to prop them up instead of letting them kind of go blind, go go past us. And you know, like I said, the homeless veteran issue is something that's close to me. I come from a military family as well.

3:21:07 Speaker 5: Uh So it's something I'm always talking about to everyone else in the podcast. Where you know what it is, We'll see you on the other side. God, I'm tired.

3:21:18 Speaker 1: Oh