#103 Michael Herrera (Whistleblower) Exposes DEEPLY Classified Black Program Dealing With the UFOs, Crash Retrievals, & Physionics

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2:07 Have a look on the anfall going again the Mishloby twere or from the testimony You're about to give us the truth, the whole truth and the truth. So help you, guys. Do you believe that our government is in possessions and the agents absolutely? All right, guys, welcome back to Total Disclosure tonight. We are live across multiple platforms and this is for me, a big, big night. It's something I've been looking forward to for a long time. I've been discussing having Michael Herrera, who many of you may know already as a UFO whistleblower and a marine uh you know, he's been on Sean Ryan show.

3:00 He's been on Jimmy Church. I did a couple episodes on Gaya. I've been waiting for this interview for so long. We've been talking for so long, We've you know, grown friends over this time, and tonight we're gonna really really get into it. And I really hope that you guys enjoy this interview. I'm not gonna waste too much time, but make sure to like, make sure to share, make sure to subscribe, and when it hits the audio feeds, share share, Share, leave us a five star review if you can, or whatever you think the show is worth.

3:33 And then if you can't, step further support the show by becoming a member. All the links of our advertisers. All that is in the description below and I'll fix that in editing for the edited version. Right now, I'm not wasting any time, my man, Michael Herrera, how are we, good man? After a few rough days of food poisoning, I don't wish it on anybody, so you know, I apologize everybody. I know a lot of people are looking forward to this, including myself, so Friday would have been a better day for me, but obviously having to deal with that.

4:04 So and one thing I'm going to say, Tyler, people like you are the reason why disclosure is going to happen. Is not going to be from the government or Congress or Senate or anything like that, or even the President. Is going to be from people like you who are deciding to put the truth and the words out there because that is what's more needed. Everybody's gonna expect the President to come out to the podium and say, hey, guys, ET's are here. I mean, that's wishful thinking, but in reality, that's not going to happen.

4:30 Yeah, and we undertand we kind of understand, you know, us being in the in the frontline, so to speak, on how that that why that would not happen. You know, there's a lot of variables in play with that. You know. My wishful thinking is, hell, bring them up to you know, Hell, I'll even provide security for these beings, you know, just to get everybody to see him and all that. But you know, you're you'd be the man for the job. That's what I'll I'll say, a couple other people I know too, so, but yeah, so everybody kind of you know, it's been a wild ride this past year.

5:06 It's going to continue to get wild. It's going to continue to give me to keep losing hair. So that's the reason for it. But you know, it's just this is where we're at. This is what I believe is going to be the center point of the damn breaking open and all of a sudden, this is just going to come to a head. There's more people daily that are having experiences that are within these programs, that are whistleblowers themselves, that are wanting to tell the truth. So twenty twenty four is going to be a good year for this, but it's going to be a rough year.

5:41 So yeah, listen, you know I'm gonna I wrapped filming in saying I know this has nothing to do with this. I wrap filming and Salem this weekend on a project I've been working on and I ended up doing a live reading which I'm going to release on YouTube, like a live medium reading, and they can She kept saying that, or like I asked her after the fact, but there's something there's a title way of coming and she doesn't know if that that's literal or you know, something to look more into, like is it a tight a wave of information?

6:15 Is it a title wave? Of perspective. So I think in the next one to two years a lot is going to change, not just in your apology, but for the everyday person and your story. When I first heard it, Michael, I mean, my job was on the floor. I was like, I need to talk to this guy. I desperately need this to talk to this guy. My life won't be fulfilled until I do so. And that's when I set out on my journey. So I know you've been on some other shows, but I want to start with your early career, your early life, why you joined the Marine Corps, and really start the conversation there and get who is Michael her Era.

6:58 Well, I'm this day. I'm an entrepreneur. I own several businesses. That's my focus this day. You know. I love having I love being able to provide for my wife. I like having dozens of rolexes, you know, I love having supercar stuff like that. You know. So it took a very long time to get to that point, and I lost everything multiple times. I Mean everybody thinks that once you strike, you know, hit the nail on the head with success, that it is something that's going to continue to happen. That's not how it works.

7:27 You got to keep busting, You got to keep grinding. My days are usually twelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen hour days before I'm home, and that's just a bit as a business owner that's also going to the gym, taking care of myself in the best ways that I possibly can. But I will say the Marine Corps I believe helped me immensely with that kind of discipline because of the something that you can typically pick up just you know, granted naturally you're going to have the willingness to do that. So me going to the Marine Corps, I wanted to be a fighter pilot.

7:57 I wanted to fly the Harrier. That was my thing, you know, I wanted to be a fighter pilot, but unfortunately my eyesight wasn't that good. They wouldn't allow pr or they wouldn't also allow you know, Lasik at the time was basically experimental, and you know, to fly around in something that's going to be anywhere from a forty million dollars to one hundred and thirty five million dollar jet and you having you know, boots on the ground that you're going to be responsible for dropping ordinance to protecting those guys.

8:22 I mean, anybody can make just one little degree of an error and that can get you know, people killed. So I understand one hundred percent why. You know, obviously I wasn't able to fulfill that, so be an infantry was the next bet on that. And I mean I wanted to do a job where you basically couldn't go into civilian world and do it. I didn't want a desk job. I didn't want a job that you know. It kind of bit me in the ass as far as transferring that skill set from I was gonna I was gonna say, you can kind of went the other way on that one.

8:52 I know, yeah, I mean, but you know, you have to think outside the box. You know. One of my things is, you know, for heavy, heavy equipment, you know, forklifts for example. They're not sexy. They're not going to get you laid. They're not something you're going to pull up to the street and be like, oh yeah, check out this. All the purpose of those things is just to basically run a business and help make money, you know, So I provide companies with assets like that construction equipment, and then private security.

9:17 Obviously there's people out there who need protection. I've served a lot of people in that business that were high profile people professionally, and I was able to network accordingly to that, which plugged me into being more successful. Success is networking, guys, That's how this works. You get to know people who may need to you know, need some of your assistants or service. That's where you have to become very successful with that. A lot of people try to put themselves first. You can't do that.

9:44 I learned that the hard way, So don't take it from me as far as you know saying that it's going to be easy. So and then obviously firearms manufacturing, I do a little bit of that. I haven't done a whole lot this year on that, but the last couple of years have just been crazy busy with stuff like that. So what I've been mainly doing is manufacturing my own for my own private security company. So if I've got employees that are going to basically go a mission with me, then at least I'm able to provide them and issue them something that ultimately they can be responsible for if they just choose to damage it.

10:17 But yeah, so you know infantry in the Marine Corps, you know, there's a lot of discipline it's it's not an easy life by any means. You know, it's not like Hollywood or everybody thinks that, you know, it's this, it's hardship. It's literally a bunch of other high testostero males in altogether, some of them have been through combat experience that want to basically, there's no way better better at putting it is that they want to make your life hell so that way you're mentally prepared to go to combat.

10:47 Real job, that's what that's what infantry is. And you know, so having this whole poetically correct establishment, which we see a lot of stuff happening, you can't have that in the military. So there's a lot of people I know that they're still in and that's they kind of relate to me how that changed and how things are kind of softer. But you know, when you're talking about warfare, that's not a fun experience. That's not going to be fun for anybody. And if anybody thinks it's fun, then you're you're not.

11:15 You're going to be a psychopath. I'm sorry, but you know there's nothing about that. So in your in your time in the military, you i mean, like you said, it taught you. It taught you know, it taught you that, oh god, why's my camera? It taught you that structure there, you know that that that structure that you needed in your life. It taught you, Uh, it instilled that in you, right. And it also, I mean, you're you're a patriot, right, you serve, you love your country, You've served your country. And I mean infantry.

11:56 While I might not be glamorous, it is. I mean your boots on the ground, your first if if shit pops off, you're the You're the first one there. Especially the Marine Corps, you are the first one to get there and the last one to leave, right. So uh in the Marine Corps, I mean, were you ever into like ufo UFOs? Like did you ever get into that stuff at any time in your life? Like did you ever wonder was that ever part of your life? No, I'm gonna so when I was growing up, when I was a kid, you know, my dad used to watch movies like that, and he would watch some scary fucking movies that really scared me as a kid.

12:40 So I was like, Okay, this isn't real. I'm happy for that, you know. So that was kind of where my mindset was I used to criticize people before this ever happened that you know, you're you're crazy, you know, And obviously everybody knows what I've blown the whistle on. I mean, that's obviously something that gave me clarity as to that, yes, human or humans i should say, or mankind has this technology and they've been using it for several years. And we also got it from someplace or somebody, right.

13:15 You know, it's not like I'll put it this way. If anybody was to look over the past hundred years as far as technological advances, what has really changed? Is it trucks? Is it cars? Is it combustible engines? I mean, one of the first vehicles that was ever made as far as a car, was an electric vehicle. It was a battery powered car, all right. And this was almost in the eighteen hundreds when they were making this kind of stuff with cars, right, with this idea. So then locomotives obviously with steam powered engines things like that, you know, So those processes have really not changed.

13:51 Everybody thinks that a new iPhone or a new computer or some new television or some new gadget in your car's new technology. It's not all it is is regurgitated something that's been refined based off that technology as far as what's current right now, maybe it makes life a little bit easier, but you guys have to understand that everything. Now when you look at the what US civilians get now, think about what the military gets. Think about the technological advances that comes with that that we show.

14:21 Yeah, we always show our greatest and latest in the theater of war. I mean that's where it's mostly developed. For either the theater of war or space travel, that's where we see the biggest leaps in advancement, at least in material science. I would say, well, and we're talking about material silence or silence silence. We're talking about science that's not necessarily public, right there's only a few people who are read into stuff that may be on a classified program. That people may be as far as a few senators and congressmen and maybe even the president or maybe some White House military officials may know about.

15:06 But for the grand scheme of things, military technologies, as far as sophistications, as far as observation equipment, things like that have been researched for decades. You know, you talk about remote viewing, that the CIA program was looking into. I'm people, you know, and there's more people coming in full contact with that. You know. There, we don't know anything in the world. We don't know anything, And all I'm going to say is this, the only thing that we know as people is what we're exposed to daily.

15:34 Somebody who you know, plays football professionally is going to know that world better than any of us put together because that's his life. Somebody who's a race car driver, somebody who's a mechanic, you know. So your world is basically what you put yourself into. Absolutely, you know. So my journey so far, I will say that the biggest lesson I've learned was be careful with what you wish for, you know, just get it, you know. It's it's something that I was I wasn't expecting to come forward in a way that it was gonna reach a lot of people.

16:10 I know, it's gonna wake people up. I know it's going to disturb people. Well yeah, well back up. Sorry to cut you off, but let's back up, because

16:21 all right, I want you to take me back now. You you so if I understand correctly, because I guess I don't want to assume that everybody knows your story by now, but we so we'll get to I think we're gonna get to the Disclosure Project two point zero. And before that, I would like you to set the scene and walk me through what happened in two thousand and nine after a terrible well, I think it was one of the worst, worst that region had seen, at least in a long time. Correct, there was an earthquake in a subsequent tsunami that took place.

17:09 How do you get there? Well, are you still enlisted at the time. Are you not enlisted? Are you preserve? No? I was enlisted. I was full you know, I was full battle rattle, so to speak. Right, you know. So, I was a part of the thirty first Marine Expeditionary Unit, and that's basically a forward deployed unit that would basically do any kind of humanitarian missions, any kind of security operations, anything. Let's say, if there was an area that had coalition control, something with US assets, something with friendlies, we would basically be the responding for US.

17:42 Let's say if there was an embassy that got overran, we would be the guys that basically go essentially in the threat and pull the people out and are sure that their safety. But most of the time would have happens in that part of the world, there's a lot of chaos that happens with natural disasters. So essentially what happened is the first hit was the Philippines, which got hit with a typhoon that knocked a lot of power out. I mean, it made a lot of people, They killed a lot of people. It was a pretty nasty event.

18:13 The whole seven fleet, which is the one that's attached to I should say the thirty first Marine Expeditionary uses to basically truck us around that area, had most of their assets go to that part of the world as far as the Philippines go. So there's people who have been confused with saying that what I experienced happened in the Philippines and what happened Indonesia. Now, nothing happened in the Philippines that I blew the whistle on. That was all in Indonesia. So as they concentrated most of the assets there, we were the only ship that was routed all the way to the far western side of Indonesia which got hit.

18:49 Now, what a lot of people don't know is that Indonesia is the second largest terrace capital. They do a lot of training there. They do not like Americans as far as if they're really brainwashed from the idea that they want a lot of Americans to die, all right, So they trained people there, they filter them out to wherever the whatever part of the world. I mean, Afghanistan, Iraq. That's just basically the playgrounds of where they're sending people to. It's not necessarily Afghans, it's not necessarily Pakistani's.

19:15 It's not There's a bunch of people who went out there. There's Chinese, there's Koreans, there's Somalians, there's anybody wants a piece of the United States. Even Chechens are out there, you know. So that's how they basically do it. So they have to have areas to train, and essentially we kind of went in knowing that, yes, it's the second largest terrorist capital in the world. It was basically kind of the talk. So we ended up getting briefed on and on the ship basically talking about what we're going to be doing, and then also mentioned that some of Barack Obama's family members were there.

19:47 So they had a seal team that was there, a platoon. I'm you know, at least that's what they kind of told us a little bit. And basically they're they're going to be the ones that were to go in and basically help get them out and extract them, and that would been it. But you know, so for us, we weren't nearly plugged in because obviously something like that they're going to use more specific, more specialized people to go do that. Seals are some badass dudes. I know a couple of them, and they're phenomenal guys.

20:14 They don't go around telling them people that they're a damn seal. They are people that just fly under the radar and just you know, they're good about what they do and that's a job to them and they love what they do. And so I respect the hell out of those guys, especially seeing how badass those guys can be in person. So we essentially ended up we were being one of the first groups to go off that ship, which was the USS Denver. We flew out to basically a little airport, I believe it's called Tabing Airport, and we staged there and then some of us basically we're waiting to get word and this is what I'm assuming anyway, I was not a pilot.

20:56 I wasn't somebody who was executing this mission as far as planning all that kind of stuff. So I was a sawgunner by trade. But they end up giving us M sixteen eighty fours because one we were providing security for an LZ and that's basically what we were going to be used for. And what ended up happening is we end up taking off, and I wish I had the exact coordinates of where we landed, but like I said, I'm not a pilot. The only reference I have is looking outside the back of the heelo and seeing the direction change and where that ocean is right.

21:30 So you know, I knew that we were facing north based because you know obviously how we were looking into things, but then obviously having to see that if you're seeing more land, obviously you're facing more south. If you're facing the ocean more, you're going to be ended up southwest to west to you know, anything like that. So we end up going to a hasty els. They used the fifty three et superstillions that we flew in on to get to the most remote areas that could not be basically got to buy any kind of vehicles such as trucks because of the fact that these areas that they were going into were washed out.

22:08 Wasn't the case all over the place, but the way that we end up having to go in there. We basically because we're Marie, we're Marines, we have assets that basically allow us to do missions such as having helicopters, especially transport helicopters, you know, so we basically landed this hast DLZ. There was barely I don't remember anybody being there. Can I stop you? Yes, for anyone who doesn't know, because you've mentioned it a couple of times now LZ, I know what it is, but just really quickly, could you describe what that is?

22:41 Haste DLZ is not a well planned designated area that's going to be marked off, that's going to have all security and everything that all the bells and whistles. You'd think regular LZ is going to be something like an airport or something that's designated that's already been cleared. Hastyl's oh rap, we're going to land. We're going to have to, you know. It's just something that's very how to put it, I don't want to say it. Mcgyverd something like that, you know, So it's not well planned, it's just something that you know better get ready and just make sure, you know.

23:16 So it's kind of more on that level. And when we got to this LZ, I don't remember anybody there. I remember that we were stepping off and our first thought, at least a person that was with me who was in charge of the whole thing, was like, you know, we as marines, you want to take You want to basically have the element of surprise for one, but too you also want to have the most tactically sound plan that you can come up with and be in the most tactical position you possibly can be. And fortunately enough, elevation is one of those keys because if you're at an elevated platform or a position and you're firing an enemy one, you can observe things a lot farther.

23:53 It's a lot easier to see down than it is to see up things, right, So we decided to put to this slope wasn't very steep, you know, it was just a slow, little grade and it was probably about three hundred meters away from the actual LZ, and we pushed, you know, because basically the areas behind us where we kind of assumed that we're already kind of you know, protected and secured because obviously they have action going on back behind us, right, So we ended up getting passed up to this tree line and all of a sudden, we're kind of like just looking around and I've got a camera by the way, and I'm taking pictures.

24:31 I'm taking videos of you know, some helicopters that were coming in which are flying low, they're not up high camera. I had a camera with me. Oh yeah, this is the first humanitarian mission I've ever done. As somebody who's a boot marine at the time, you know, you're gonna sit there and take pictures and you know, show your family and friends that you did something in your career, you know. So I was I had a picture with me or a camera, and uh, when I turned around to basically look and see where the other side of that slope is, that's when we had the surprise of our lives.

25:05 So I had my camera and I saw something that basically was turning colors. And our view is obscure because there's trees, right, so you don't see like a full shape of anything. You just see something moving and changing colors. So I snapped some pictures of it, took some video. I tried to zoom in as far as I could with it, and then I put it in my dump pouch because I was a sawgunner and typically we usually has dump pouch to retain our magazines. You're not dumping your magazines on the ground and then having to go to the army and say, oh, I don't know where my magazines are, you know, so put them in there.

25:39 And then we all looked at each other because we all finally saw it, and we're like, what the what the hell is this thing? And you know, could have been a building, could have been something like that. So that's what we're kind of thinking. And we decided to go down a little bit and investigated. And so it all started from U seeing a right light. Bright lights is what you're saying. It wasn't bright lights at all. It was the color changing of the object. The color changing, I should say, I'm not the bright lights, but from the changing.

26:10 It was going from a light matt gray to a dark mat black. So anything that's kind of going in that color, especially when you're talking about having vegetation around it, you're going to notice it, like a sore thumb, you know, So I don't you know, I've had questions about this, especially with the kind of tactic that they would use to do something like this. It's just very weird. And so we end up going down and want to investigate it. And when we got to basically a clearing that you know, because it kind of got narrow, We're stepping through bushes, were stepping through trees, We're making sure stuff's not getting snagged onto our weapons or anything like that.

26:49 And we come to a clearing that starts to open up, and when it starts to open up, you start to see this whole shape and it's just sitting there and something that is really weird about it. To this day, I have never and I mean I will never see this again, probably unless it actually comes to full disclosure and they're actually showing everybody that this of this technology. But I have never seen anything in my life because when you see a helicopter hover, it's not perfect. It's going like this. There's wind, there's oscillation, there's stuff like this.

27:20 This thing which is stuck there floating, and it was rotating clockwise. It was rotating clockwise. It looked like an octagonal shape, and you can see the corners on it. You can see kind of where like there was some rivets and some basically some sections, like some panels, right, and it was making like this octagon shape and it was rotating and as it's still going those colors right, So it's now I want you to really really take us back to that moment. So it's locked in the air, yep, it's oscillating at the same time, and from that oscillation you garner a view that this is an octagonal craft.

28:08 And at each point it has a different glow, different colored light. So the lights did not illuminate until this thing took off. It was got a little bit later. Yeah. So this thing, as it's turning and rotating, it's only producing a little bit of a hump. The only way I can describe it is something that sounds like a guitar app or something that sounds like a freaking transformer, some sort of hum. And there's been people who try to recreate that noise, and there's been a person who's helped with that.

28:40 Joey, that's not my name. You, if you're watching this, thank you for your help. Yeah. He's really so good. He's got me in touch with people I never thought I get in touch with trying to help with this and do all that. So he is a he's a very good dude, very blessed to have his expertise and have his attention to detail and things. So if you're watching this, thank you. And excuse me. So

29:07 you know this thing's hovering right there. Excuse me. So you know we're we're we see this, we're looking at each other, you know, because we're in a tactical column, which basically means that if you're imagine a point here here, you're kind of like. Tactical column is one of the most beneficial ways to actually move in a tactical position because you have literally marines covering every kind of view that you can have doing five meter twenty five meter checks. Your head's on the swovel, so you guys have basically interlocking fields and you know, you can pretty much see everything.

29:40 The only time it's kind of a pain is when you're in the back having to completely always constantly turn around checking, you know, making sure. So as that was going on, we decided we're moving closer, and we were maybe about one hundred and fifty meters out from that craft. And that craft was big, right, it was massive. My estimation was about three hundred feet. And the reason why is because the fifty three super Stallions that we flew in on are the biggest helicopters in the military house for transport right now.

30:10 They measure from nose to tail about one hundred feet. So what I was estimating is that you can actually fit three of these things underneath of that craft. And that's what I told the Arrow, That's what I've told everybody that's interviewed me. That's what I made my official report to everybody who's you know, vetted me, who has screened me up and down, who's ran backgrounds on me, who's literally I've went through hell as far as the betting process to tell this, even to you know, the Pentagon of course, So you know, having something massive but it feels like it's so weightless.

30:41 It's just such a very creepy thing to see. It's very creepy. And so you see this thing and it's doing something you've never seen, you didn't know as possible are your first thoughts that's ours or that's not ours. My first thought was, what the fuck is this? I'm not gonna do I'm just gonna be blunt, and I didn't think anything of it until we came in contact with these operators. Now we're in a technical column. So imagine there's two lanes here of marines, right, so kind of you know, like I was demonstrating,

31:25 these guys were in a way that they had four on each side and they basically enveloped us like this. So imagine we're right here. These guys came out like this and they already had their weapons on us. We're when we're patrolling or basically do anything weapons down, it's kind of down right unless you know that you're going to go rate and building or do anything that's going to be combat us. When your weapon's going to be up, you're not walking around, especially if they're civilians around, if there's kids, I mean, if there's anything that could basically you don't want to shoot anybody.

31:53 You don't have to, So you're keeping your weapons safe. It's also a weapon, it's not yourself. You know, there's things that happen with weapons that can make them go off. You know, these things have been through deployment so much. There's things that just it's a lot of wear and tear on guns. So this is the most recommended safety that you could ever have, and the firearm is your finger and knowledge of it. So essentially these operators a team of eight, but they were split up in four, so essentially two fire teams is what the elements were be They had their weapons already on us, so they told us, don't raise your weapons, don't fucking move.

32:30 You know. They basically swarmed us so fast, but they were like kind of like a crowd, not really crouched, but they were so low, but they were so planted and they were moving towards us so aggressively. And first we you know, the thought was like, okay, maybe this is the seal team and something like that, right, because that's one of the first things that we kind of talked about in the wardroom was that there was a seal team that was going to be there to help with you know, HVT HBI extractions. So obviously it wasn't it obviously wasn't the case because one these guys were not seals.

33:05 Two you know, sealed teams. I mean, they kind of organized their the way that they dress everything like that you can tell that they're seals. These guys were wearing all black. They had black I'm not going to say camouflage, but it was something that was, you know, black gear. They had black iotvs, which is an infantry outer tactical vest or individual something along those lines. And I don't know that acronym too well, but that's what we call them as iotvs. They had stuff that was very similar to that.

33:32 They had no insignias, no rank, they had nothing that would identify who they were. They didn't have their faces covered up typically they were really their face. They had ball caps. They had M four A one's with a quad rail system that had a PEC sixteen and had an ACN which is a step up from the r CEOs that we had. They also had some side arms, which I'm assuming we're either H and K's or they were six hours. They were no glocks. You know, I don't bag on block, but I know a lot of operators these days who a lot of them use block, but a lot of them use SICK.

34:05 A lot of them like H and K's more specifically, because they're more they're they're kind of more feasible for what they're doing. I guess. So at that point we all looked at each other and we basically they got told us to get online essentially just you know, get on a straight line, and that's what we did. And they tell us, don't fucking put your hands down. So they're holding us at a gunpoint there. So they have a guy that is basically positioned maybe about ten feet away, who's off at a standoff distance.

34:33 There's been some interviews that doctor Greer has done and everything like that where he's told people that they put guns right to our head. That wasn't the case. These guys were at a standoff distance because it's easier to go like this then actually be at a standoff distance and try to rush somebody who has had a good distance that can side in and just shoot you right. Know, these guys are professionals that they they they were calculated so much, so much so. And you know this is not taking anything away from you, because I want that to be very clear.

35:07 You guys are a group of highly skilled and trained Uh just just just a guess, how much money do you think goes into each soldier, uh, each marine? Well it's millions familiars, So you have at least a group of millions of dollars walking around and they are trained to the best of their ability, and they are the best of the best. You know, the Marine Corps is often known for, you know, producing talent. So they were so calculated that they were able to get the drop on you with without you hearing at all what was going like.

35:50 You didn't hear them coming until it was too late. No, they were already, we already sided. And so I got all these you know, armchair generals that say, oh, I wouldn't have I would have raised my weapon. Yeah, good luck to you. You probably would have been six feet under or probably as one of these missing people. You know, if they have that mentality, the next traffic stop they get into, try to reach for a weapon while the cops pulling you over, and tell me how well that works? Right, You're dead before you even it's it's the same thing with us too.

36:21 If there's somebody if we have a vehicle control point or a VCP that we're manning, and there's somebody in a vehicle and we already got the drop as such as a lulready, that's all it's gonna take. It's only two movements flipping the safety off, aiming and then firing and if you're close range enough, you're not having to basically just sit there and get a perfect sideline side picture. You All you have to do is basically just raise it up in that direction and you're gonna hit. What you're gonna do, anyone knows, Anyone who's seen Star Wars knows when you got the high ground, you got the high ground, right.

36:53 So all right, so they're telling you at this moment, so they've got you, and I had a detail wrong when I reported on it. They did not have you on your knees. They had you standing hands down, and they have d they've taken your weapons off of your persons at this point. You know, we had we had them sixteen eight fours. We had one hundred and eighty rounds, you know, so we had six magazines total, so five in our vest, one in the weapon. Obviously we were conditioned for. We didn't have a round in the chamber obviously because this was humanitarian and it was something that basically can discharge the weapon and engage, you know, So they had their stuff already primed ready to go by if we're going to raise our weapon one, there's no round in the chamber.

37:35 That's just suicide. Right, if we're going to sit there, cock it up, charge the weapon, and then put it up, it's still going to take time compared to people that already have you cited in you know exactly, you know, and come and to find out who these guys are, and we know who they are now, you know at least their backgrounds. You know, we don't know who these guys are particularly individually as people, but we know what kind of backgrounds they have people who work these programs, which we'll get into that later.

38:03 Yeah, and so the the thing I really want to talk about, or not really want to talk about, is you you did mention how you knew there was a seal team in the area. At what time do you realize that this is not them?

38:19 Well, because one there would have been some sort of iff indicated uh, indication of friendly or foam that wouldn't have worked that way, would have been a lot different one. We didn't have comms. That's the other kind of problem. You know, there's a lot of people who are like, oh, you know, it's a perfect world. Military should have comms all the time. There's a lot of Marines I know that went to Iraq and Afghanistan that didn't have comms on patrol. That's what next best thing is hand and arm signals.

38:44 That's how you communicate, That's how you relay up the chain what's going on. Typically, there's other methods. If you have night vision, you're going to go up to a point and you're going to turn on your ir illuminator and flash a certain amount of designated times. That would they only you would know between that CCP and also whoever's on post to relate to the information to say that you are that force who had the briefing to say, Okay, we're gonna flash it three times. The guy would flash at two and then you flash in one, or you do it reverse, or you do whatever you guys brief it to do.

39:15 You know, So there's methods of doing that. There's not a perfect world, and that's just that's just unfortunately how the military is. It's very underfunded. I don't you know, the whole politics and the military. I don't agree with it. I think especially in the Marine Corps, you see a lot of stuff, mishaps happening with equipment like helicopters, is because it's underfunded. They would rather send hundreds of billions to fucking Ukraine than to sit there and take care of our own guys, right reliable equipment, you know, So that that's kind of the problem.

39:43 We're all of our stuff's built by the lowest bidder. We have the hand me downs from other branches like the army, so our stuff is not nearly as nice as other groups that have very good funding. Well, yeah, and this and this group was clearly out. I mean, so you're sitting there. I'm not saying I keep saying sitting there, But mind you when I say that, I mean you're you're standing there at gumpoint and you're you're you're loudly being told in very vulgar, vulgar language, yes, that if you move, we will fucking kill you, Like there's no question about you.

40:19 So in this moment, are you thinking that you're going to die? And and when when do you start looking at the UFO or you know, I think we can determine it's an IFO, that we've identified it as something as part of this program, But it's a UFO.

40:44 What's going through your mind as you're being you know, basically just held at gunpoint. Well, the problem is, as it's Uh, as it's in the background, you mean, because you have people literally pointing their weapons at you, they're yelling at you, that are literally telling you they're to kill you. So you have two things you're paying attention to, all right, paying attention to guys that are literally holding you up at gunpoint. They stripped us of our gear. They took our weapon, you know, because we had brass of the grass is what our magazines are down in the vest, so when you pull it out, you're able to be able to pop it in and then hit the side of it right.

41:18 It's very quick, and we spent hours training this way. So they take our magazines out, they kick them to the deck, they kick them far out so you can't reach for them. They take our weapons and they take the magazine out. And the way that these guys function these weapons was like the back of their hand. These guys were so cool with this weapon platform. Now, typically, if we were conditioned one, we would have them round pop out of that chamber. But we're conditioned four. So when they pulled the charging handle to the rear, they obviously saw nothing in there, and they again going through each of us doing the same thing.

41:56 These guys I knew for a fact at the time were former military, right, because we had our IDs in our left breast pocket that is a Marine corps orger. That's typically how it's always been and it's still to this day. And they took them out of our breast pocket and tried to take in pictures of this thing with things that look like a modern day cell phone, like something like this, right, and can you tell us the date again, just so people understand the significance. So this was October of two thousand and nine.

42:27 So smartphones like we have like you just held up, are not what was being touted around in two thousand and nine. This is to show you that these guys were operating with not only like you know, upgraded technology, but UFOs And I mean it just it's it's blows me away, It blows me away. Well, and you know us thinking that's that going on too, Like the only thing that we could really recognize besides our weapon platforms and their gear of course, right, they had something else that they were trying to scam with our ID and it reminded me of something called like a BATS system, which is for biometrics and tracking.

43:13 So we were we were taught in the system, at least when I was, when I was going through training and all that stuff. And all it does is it takes picture of your retinals, takes picture of you know, it can do biometrics, that's what it's there for. And it also takes pictures. So they're trying to scan you know, these ideas with this kind of stuff because that's what you could do. So at the time, it's okay, where the hell did they get this? You know, And it came out that year too, because we've done you know, Joey is not my name, he's done a lot of research on trying to basically, hey does this look familiar?

43:46 Is this? And there's been some great things he's pulled up and says, okay, this is when it came out, which was sequential to the year that we deployed, you know, so we did some training on some similar stuff even at that point that never made it out, but you know, and that's just how it is. I mean, maybe it gets phased out because it's archaic compared to the new stuff that they have that they put in, So that's kind of the only indicator, you know, But obviously the mannerisms, the language these guys used.

44:15 The way that they sounded was like how we would sound as marines, as military personnel who wanted to rough people up. So they had American dialect. It's like how you and I are talking. It's not Eastern European. It's not Russian, it's not Swedish, it's not German. I've got a very acute ear to accents. You know, I know what accents are. You know, I speak. I speak fluently in German as well, so I know what it sounds like. And these guys were talking like how you and I like. English was their first language for sure.

44:51 So so they again, they were calculated to the point where they could disarm a group of marines. They they have you at gunpoint. They're clearly working with some technology that is far above your pay grade. You are watching, you're watching this UFO in the background. What's going on with that? Okay, so mind you we're going back and forth. Okay, right, of course, wation here and then obviously the situation, which both are unbelievable as equal. Right, we're looking between these guys and this craft.

45:33 This craft has not changed at home, it's not done anything. The only thing that changed was obviously there was a platform that was hovering over and it wasn't organic, It wasn't anything a part of the jungle. It wasn't a concrete slab, it was nothing like that. As we're facing this thing, there's some trucks that are coming up from basically are left. I would say probably eleven o'clock position, maybe ten o'clock position is where these trucks started coming from. And there's only four that I recount seeing.

46:03 There may have been more. There may have been, you know, but I only recount seeing four because we're going back and forth between these assholes and this craft. So this truck comes up and then it basically banks off and starts heading to that to the craft, now it looked like an up armored version of an F three P fifty, very bulky truck, all blacked out, and when it was driving towards us, the thing I recognized on the headlights was next to it, which were something that you'd see like on a humbie that would be outfitted for night vision, because sometimes if you're going to be driving out at night, you have your nose on.

46:43 You're not going to have your high beams or your low beams on because you don't want the enemy to know that you're coming, even though you have a loud ass vehicle, right, So they don't want to see the lights coming from distance. So this these trucks had the same thing. They had some bulky tires on their for the terrain, obviously the thing that stuck out the most on these trucks. Besides, they had these pelican cases that were in the back, which were only two of them that I saw. They had these containers they were pulling with a trailer that was about the half size of a shipping container, and it had a cylinder on the top, on the front of the top, excuse me, and it was black as well, that cylinder.

47:23 You know. My when when I first came forward, is there some people who are confused about this? And every interview I've tried to do is just try to break the confusion. I had to I had told the Pentagon I thought it was drugs. To this day, I thought it was drugs until not I shouldn't say to this day, but till the day that I came forward. I even presented at the Disclosure two point zero saying that my hypothesis was that it was drugs because in my understanding, especially being in heavy equipment industry, you know, kind of stuff like that, the only time you'd ever see oxygeny stuff is when you're shipping you know, produce or some goods or drugs for the matter, because that's where a lot of them do.

48:05 So typically, that's what my assumption was. And obviously, with what I have been learning, which we'll get to that point later, it ended up being something else. And this isn't from me seeing anything because I didn't see the containers open. I didn't see anybody in them. I didn't see any drugs in them. My hypothesis was that it was drugs. So they you know, for these trucks basically going to this platform. So I didn't see how they went on the platform. I didn't see how they actually unloaded or did anything like that, because we're still focusing on what's going on.

48:40 So, you know, the last truck, I should say, at least the one that we saw, ended up going to that platform. I don't know if they went, you know, I didn't see that they were still on that platform. I didn't see if they adgressed off the back end or whatever. You know. However, they did it, But all of a sudden, that platform on the bottom just started to raise up. And you know, so we're going like looking at these guys still, you know, which by the time this happens, are kind of over here, So movement's going to catch your eye.

49:08 That's just how your eyes, especially your peripherals, that's how you're gonna notice motion. And that's what happened with this platform. And the platform started to raise up. It made no sound, there was no change in the hum or, nothing like that. It literally just rose up. The craft kind of stuffed down like this, and this thing went to the bottom of it and one kind of like it went inside and receved a little bit. And as that's going on, all of a sudden started the whole craft. It stuff starts to move up as it's rotating, as it's changing colors.

49:36 And then the only difference it did was on every corner of this craft there was a light that illuminated. And the only colors I can recall is red, yellow, green, and blue. Those are the only ones I can I can remember seeing on this thing. As it's going up, as it's rotating, doesn't change the humminep it clears the tree lines and minds you in jungles like this, trees are very high. Some of them are very triple what they call triple canopy jungles. Right, So there's very later right, and some of them in this area kind of wasn't really the case, but it was enough to be at least high enough for me.

50:12 I hate heights. So this thing started to raise up and when it got to the tree line, when it got over the top of it, this thing just shot off very fast, didn't change any kind of harm, didn't make any noise. It literally was like a blackbird blur that just just moved. That's just how quick it is.

50:34 And sorry to cut I don't mean to I don't mean to cut you off. Would you say that that? So, aside from the electrical home,

50:47 it showed all of the signs of you know, I don't know if you're familiar with louel Zando's like the observables. So it had really no noise. It shot off with no sonic boom, and it was, like I said, using some sort of alternative propulsion system. Is it safe to say all those things? Correct? Wow? Now here's here's a crazy thart crazy part about this because this thing is massive, and obviously how fast it moves obviously didn't make any sound. It didn't break the soundberry. There's coconuts on the top of these trees.

51:32 Not one of them blew off, not one of them moved, didn't even flinch nothing. All right. Now, if you're if your experience when it comes to aircraft and when they fly low over vegetation, you're gonna notice that vegetation is gonna move because you have exhaust wash, you have rotor wash coming from a helicopter that's blown everything out. Right, So fighter jets, when they fly a map of the Earth, you're gonna see You're gonna see movement from the tree. You're going to see moving. I mean, they'll shutter windows if they're going fast enough because of that that sound.

52:08 So seeing that happen was just like holy shit. Now, mind you, we are already in a holy shit situation as it is because of these guys, right right. It's just it's just compounding onto the fear. Also because all of us are scared. I was petrified. I was I was scared. I thought I was gonna die. That's literally what was going through my head. So while you're watching this amazing thing happen. Oh man, it was. It was not amazing. Well, in retrospect these days, yes it is, but at that time and up until this point, was not amazing.

52:45 I wish I never experienced that, you know, but having the support that I do, I mean, this has been rough. This is not enjoyable. This, you know, being a whistleblower is a very hard place to be. It's not an enjoyable thing. I don't where, you know, I don't like being in shoes. So when they ask people why the hell more people don't come forward, I know exactly why, and I can tell you why. It's a miserable place to be. I've taken a lot of arrows. I've taken a lot of heat. I've gotten a lot of praise, which you know, I don't.

53:14 I don't necessarily care for all that. I know. I love positive stuff, which is great. But I've been taking arrows and I'm going to continue to until this all comes forward, until this all gets resolved. And that's my mission. I don't care what John Q Public who's sitting on his chair, who thinks about me, and if I'm living rent free in his mind, and so be it. You know, I'm going to be focusing on what my mission is, which my business is my income, take care of my wife, and make sure that obviously I'm going to provide the peace that I have enough to hopefully, which has been lately connecting the dots for a lot of people.

53:51 You know, my mission was to get the government to take my word and to trust me and to look into this and a lot of them have a lot of them have on the back end of things. I've heard that, which has been great. Yeah, we're going to get you to I didn't you know. Uh, Tim Burchett was on the show. He's a friend of the show. Uh. And you know, I know you and I spoke about a project about getting you two together. So you know, we're going to make things happen. Uh. And I just the future is is definitely bright.

54:24 And but you're right, You're absolutely right. I definitely misworded that coming out as a UFO whistleblowers, not like no one wakes up and is like, hmm, I know what I want to be today. I want to be a UFO whistleblower. Like it's not a good No, it's not it's not good. Look at you know, David Grush speaking of that while we're on, you know, on that topic. Uh, do you know, David I do. That's all I can say. Okay, Yah, him and I I talk, you know. So he's helped me out in a lot of ways, you know, But that's all I'm gonna say.

55:05 Yeah, he's working on he's done things in the back end for me. But he's a good dude. He's very solid through him. So if anybody is familiar with Jonathan Wagand he was a marine in nineteen ninety seven that came up with upon that crash retrieval that happened in Peru in nineteen ninety seven, He Grush and his associates. Because Grush and I had the same attorney for a little bit, because we were trying to figure out how to do this human trafficking thing, and that's why his attorney reached out to me and vice versa.

55:38 David Grush vetted me, right, Because David Grush, I mean, he's got assets that you wish you could have as a person. So so let's just say that when we're time, David Grush vetted Michael Herrera. I think we can end it at that, correct, So if anyone's asking or or pondering credibility, let's just leave it there. Why would the Pentagon waste their time with me? Why would the Senate Intelligence Committee and waste their time with me? Why would the spend Special Intelligence Service, which oversees these letter agencies?

56:14 Why would I have Air Force OSI talking to me? Why would I have Homeland Security talking to me? Did anybody understand that every time I get in front of federal people that they run my backgrounds, they look and see what I'm doing, they check everything. It's not a comfortable place to be. I'm in a microscope the whole time, all right, and I don't like it. But when it comes to trying to be transparent with this, that is key. That's the only way that this is going to happen. All Right, So I can get uncomfortable a little bit if I know that the payoff is going to be huger, which the payoff that's going to happen with this is going to be disclosure to humanity.

56:51 It's going to be overseeing these programs that are rogue, that are ill illegal, that are unconstitutional, that are literally murdering innocent people. All right, Yeah, that that's the nature of how this works. I mean, these guys craft this subject so much they make it seem so unbelievable. Because let's just say, if anybody who's listening says, you know they're you're hiking out somewhere isolated and you come across something like this and you try to go call the police, where you try to notify the military, are they gonna take you serious?

57:24 They're not. Nope, You're gonna tell you to go check it aye the near cite cord. That's why how these guys operate. They operate in these ways because the subject itself since the fifties has ridiculed itself. Because that's what they have done. They make fun of it. Yeah, I mean I literally just like and and and it's funny you brought up the office of uh name, uh not sorry, ohs I because I Richard Dodie was supposed to be episode one oh three, and he actually brought you up unprompted, unprompted.

58:09 And someone asked a question in the chat. And we're going to jump a little bit here by just asking this question, but I think it is something that we need to talk about. Why did you come out with doctor Greer, And why did you make that call to do the disclosure two point zero with doctor Greer? That was your unveiling of your fourteen year silence. Well, let me ask you guys this question. Did anybody else know anybody who was talking about this kind of stuff that can get whistleblowers in front of people.

58:48 He's the only one that I knew of, And as a matter of fact, I met him in twenty seventeen when he did a presentation here in Colorado and I had to buy a book of him to get in front of him to tell him that I had information that I had experiences, and you know, he kind of shrugged me off at first, but when I hinted military industrial complex as a former marine in that that got his attention. So he literally stopped signing books, stood up, and I didn't realize how tall his freaking guy was. He's pretty tall, you know.

59:23 So it's same with David Gresh. David Gresh is a monster too, so but yeah, he he's the only guy that knew that was doing anything like this. So I had told him that, you know, I wanted to tell him some things that I experienced, and that was in twenty seventeen and I had his kind you know, he handed me his card and says, don't tell, don't give anybody my information, keep this card to yourself, don't publish it anything like that, like okay, Roger that so I stuck it on my wallet and I at the time I was I was still which I'm still I'm still afraid, guys.

1:00:01 I don't. I don't.

1:00:04 I'm not fucking gonna say that. I'm I feel invincible with this because the way I see is I'm borrowing time. But we're all borrowing time in our lives. And that's just why I'm just trying to press this and obviously try to get somewhere with this, because who knows this whole government protection of whistleblowers. I'm not going to say that it's it's full of shit, but there's nothing that literally physically stops somebody from pulling up next to me in traffic and knows who I am. That there's the cars that I drive that's a part of these programs that wants to murder me.

1:00:34 There's no federal agent in my car where I'm going. I don't have the presidential motorcade treatment going on with this I'm out there just drive, So who's to say that that doesn't happen. Do I expect this? I don't necessarily expect it, But am I prepared for it? Yeah? I am as best as I possibly can be. You know, I've had some I've had some harassment, I've had some intimidation, i'veforts which you know, I've reported a home dsecurity, I've reported to among other people that took it seriously, took videos, took pictures, you know, did everything like that.

1:01:09 And you know it hasn't happened in a bit, but you know it doesn't stop them. These guys that they have, they can do whatever they want, you know. So I'm in a spotlight in a negative way when it comes to that. And if it's for truth, if it's for justice for people who have been wrongfully murdered and killed over this stuff, because that could have been mean, that could have been any of my guys. We could have been murdered. And that has happened any point at that night, any point of that night, you could have for all intensive purposes you could have.

1:01:43 You shouldn't be here telling this story if they were. They I don't understand and I hate to even bring this up. But why they why they left loose ends if if you know what I mean, if that makes sense, There's been uh, there's been some people an intelligence committee that they their hypothesis is that they wanted us to see that. I don't know why that's their take on it. I mean, these these guys know that this stuff happens to an extent, you know, so with that it's unknown. These guys, you know, they're they're allowing me to live.

1:02:25 And it's not comfortable to say that, but that's the reality, right, you know, these guys, these I mean, it sucks. Like I said, guys, this isn't enjoyable. I mean, I'm losing fucking hair for Christ's sake because of this kind of ship. You know, it's it's just how it is. So you know, I didn't I didn't approach I didn't approach Career and and tell him anything until you know, because when we we had an NDIA that we signed basically so let's go back, I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of end the Indonesia aspect.

1:02:59 So after this craft departed, these operators told us to face the hill, and at that point I thought we were done for because typically when that happens, they're gunning you down. Yeah, I mean, dude, how could you set the scene another way? Their tells, Oh my god, the only thing that would have been going through my head is this is it while I'm going to be in a ditch. That's exactly went through my head. And I'm glad that's the only thing that did go through my head at that time,

1:03:27 you know. And it sucks because you know, here I'm thinking, I'm thinking, you know, as this is going on, as this disbelief is going on, then you have the personal thoughts, what is my dad gonna think? How the fuck is you know, like just thinking about my dad, my family, everything like that, you know, and it sucks to be in a position that way. You can't do a fucking thing.

1:03:49 You can't do anything. You literally, you know, these these guys are are you know, they're ruthless, They're very skilled. I mean, I'll tell people about their backgrounds and them when we get to that point. But essentially, after they told us to face the hill, so I'm standing there and I'm kind of like, I just I feel doomed, you know, I feel defeated, and I just see the sling come over like literally over a kevlar and under our body, and I thought they were gonna choke me with it. But what they did is they basically took the sling and they adjusted the rifle on our back to basically where the butt stock was right here and the muzzle was pointed down.

1:04:33 So they did that, and they tightened the hell out of it, because you can't you know, if you're trying to fumble and get that thing off, it's gonna it's gonna be hard. At the same time, they get our magazines and they basically put them brass up to the sky, so rounds are facing the sky. So, like I said, typically we will give you brass of the grass. They had this breast of the sky as if you're trying to take it out and fumble it and put it in the weapon. A little bit harder to do. You can still do it.

1:05:01 It's just going to take a little bit extra time. Now in a firefight. Now, in a situation that's tactical like that, that kind of small you know, microseconds, if you will, is going to be very long and extended compared to just doing things how you're normally trained to do. So they told us. After they did this with all of us, they told us to go ahead and walk up the slope. So they told us as we were walking up the slope not to turn around, not to look at him. They'll fucking shoot us. They'll kill us.

1:05:32 It's easy to get lost out here. We're can throw out of a helicopter. I mean they were. They were hounding us with that kind of talk. So just every break you down, I mean, you're already humiliated as it is because of that. At that point, I won't even say humiliated. I mean it's just humiliates, more of a nice way of putting it, you know. So when we broke the top of that hill and got to where we originally were positioned, we high tailed it back. We ran really fast. I fucking hate running. I hate running to this day.

1:06:00 That is why I got into bodybuilding, because I can walk on the treadmill and stay in shape and still be able to do all that kind of stuff. So, you know, I we all high tailed it back. We had her weapons on our back. We ran to the l Z. There was a little bit more people there, but there was this gunery sergeant that was there that was pissed and it was pissed because we came back too earlier and our weapons obviously weren't our back hm. So when we got to that area, we were basically taking our weapons off of our buddies and handing them to us and then slapped the magazine in and just basically wait until we can get out of there.

1:06:31 And we finally end up getting out of there, we turned our weapons back in obviously, so a few days later, you know, mind you So the other thing too is obviously my camera was not found. I don't know how the hell they did not find it. They didn stick their hands in the pouch, but they ended up recovering it later. I'm in my assumption, I don't know how they did it. But a few days later we ended up going to Subic Bay in the Philippines to basically relink up with the seventh Fleet. So we had some liberty at the time, which is like time off, and we had about three or four days if I can remember correctly, and so you know, okay, you know, let's just kind of forget about this whole fucking thing, because it's just it's rough.

1:07:18 None of us were you know, it's not an enjoyable experience by any means, and you're kind of just trying to live like whatever normal life, but also with that lingering in the back of your head. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna be honest with everybody. Here's the thing. I was not a perfect marine. I was not a perfect marine. A lot of marines are not perfect. You know. I've had people slammer me talking about me going u A, yeah to go UA. I went you A because my dad had told me that if I was gonna leave, that he was not going to longer be there.

1:07:54 He lost it, you know, he he told tore all that ligaments in his knees. He was a mechanic longer than I've been a He did break job on a super roup and you're not supposed to get on the concrete floors with your knees. Usually they use pads. He didn't do that. He tore all the ligaments out, and you know, his wife was was basically, you know, fucking abusing him. Her son was trying to beat his ass. So I had that in the back of my mind even on a lot of a lot of things that were happening, you know. So he had told me that he was very depressed, and uh, he didn't, you know, And yeah, I paid for it.

1:08:31 I got fucking I got shit. Talk to me. I had everything that you can think of. I was the ship bag because I decided to stay there with my father for an extra four months and to make sure that he was mentally good instead of sitting there going back and having to deal with with the fucking conditions of the Marine Corps. Essentially, you know, U a stand for unauthorized absence. Oh out, okay, all right, thank you. That clears that up. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I probably you spent an extra couple of days of their dad to make sure he's okay, one hundred and twenty days.

1:09:08 Now. I kept in contact with some Marines when that happened, and I mean this was early on in my you know, going through training and all that, right, and so at that point, you know, I was like, well, okay, you know, my dad's been there when I was a kid. I'm gonna get a little personal and I'm gonna I'm I don't enjoy talking about this. Is this is probably the only time I'm ever going to talk about this, because I don't enjoy talking about it. And it doesn't make me feel any good. You know, my mom left me when I was seven years old and packed up my shit and two trash bags, left me at a babysitters.

1:09:44 Didn't see her for seven years. Forty five minutes after being at the babysitters, my dad comes and gets me and says, we're not going to see my mom, all right. So at that point, at being seven years old, my dad has been there for me through thick and fucking Yeah. My whole thing that I am doing as an entrepreneur and something like that is I want to make enough money where I can set my dad up for the rest of his life the way he doesn't have to work ever again, buying his own shops, whatever it is.

1:10:16 He he did a lot for me when I was a kid. My grandparents did too, you know. So when it come to the point where my dad told me that, I felt obligate enough to sit there and bite the bullet and go through that and stick aside and try to help him through that. And I did, and you know, I have no fucking regrets, and I paid for it. I didn't lose my rank, but you know what, they delayed the promotion. They put me on extra police duty. They put me on restriction. You know, I didn't get you know, I kept in contact with obviously whoever I needed to at that point because I didn't want I busted my ass to become a marine right one of the heart, you know, in retrospect at that time as a kid, essentially as somebody who is seventeen eighteen years old, that was what I aspired to do ever since I was a little kid.

1:11:09 I didn't want to just throw that away. They gave me the choice to get out or continue. And this was talking to the current the sergeant major at the time, and I told him my situation, which I mean he screamed at me first before he realized what happened. And then every single higher up that I've had that I've talked through, such as sergeant major, even a Batian commander has said, you know what, we have done the same thing. Family is first in our eyes. With that, I think anyone would have anyone in your shoes would have done that well.

1:11:40 And being in you know, half of my dad as the backbone of us as a kid, has taken care of us, is doing whatever he fucking could. Yeah, I don't regret it one bit. I commend you, brother. I commend you, and then you continue instead of instead of just leaving the Marine Corps because of the shame that might come, the arrows you might get flowing at you. No, you chose to go back and take the heat like a man and continue on with your duty. I respect that. I told I told the Sergeant major that I wanted to earn my medals.

1:12:18 I wanted. I busted my ass to become a marine. I played football in high school. I had a drop coast of fucking seventy pounds to steven join, you know, so there was there was things that I had to do to to to become that, and I wasn't gonna let it just go to waste. I didn't have a horrible time in the Marine Corps, but coming you know, after doing that, coming back into it, yeah, everybody treated me like shit. That's just how it was. Do I blame them for it, No, because that's they had their minds made up, you know what.

1:12:46 That makes them feel better. And there's a lot of them that that fucking resent me to this day because I'm successful because I can do what they can't afford to do, and you know what, because I know what it's like to lose shit. These a lot of these guys are afraid to lose shit. There are a lot they're afraid to take the fucking risks. They want to take risks in the ways that suit them. But when it comes to entrepreneurship of being on your own and being responsible for hundreds of but employees, guess what if I fuck up, they all lose their jobs.

1:13:13 They all the customer base, as a matter of fact, also does the same thing. So it's a reputation. So I, you know, I've done things enough to lose it. I've been homeless before for six months, living out of a car, had my dog only with me. I had a fucking big screen. I was trying to sell the back of my fucking car, trying to get money, ended up getting a job. You know. I was taking showers of twenty four our fitness, sleeping in my car, get enough money to literally supply food for myself and my dog.

1:13:40 You know. So I've lost things enough to know how to gain it back. That's what real success is. It's not sitting here just saying that everything's pleasant. And every entrepreneur is going to say the same thing. It's fucking hell. Entrepreneurship is the hardest job I've ever had, and it's going to continue to be because you have to think outside the box. You spend a lot of money to make money and then you know what, and it's not going to change. So you know, I'm not going to throw shade. I'm not here for that.

1:14:08 These guys can think whatever they want to think. I know, the guys that were with me, they don't want to come out and they don't want to be acknowledged, and they're not really big fans of me, and I understand why because they're going to get looped into that too. And some of these guys are some of these guys are still in the Marine Corps. So I'm not going to tarnish their reputation and that because that's as ultimately what would happen, you know, And and you know, it sucks, like I said, it sucks being in this position.

1:14:37 But I've got people that you know, try to throw shade because oh, you know, I'm discredited because I went you way, there's nothing to be with discredit literally telling everybody what happened. That's it. You know, It's just like It's just like what we see with gruts. They try what when when you speak out against and now that you're coming out and telling your story, they're going to use whatever they can any wrinkle in your career, they are going to exploit that. And I mean, I assume you knew that, yeah, when you hold your story.

1:15:15 But guess what. I've had skin, thick skin ever since I was a kid man. I had to. I got thick skin as an entrepreneur, as a marine especially, That's just how it's going to be. Everybody has to have thick skin to survive in this world, and especially when you're trying to make somebody make a business happen in a good way. You've got a lot of competition. Yeah, a lot of people trying to basically do the same thing. They'll go on your fucking Google review pages and leave reviews trying to slander everybody.

1:15:44 You know, we don't. I don't have my employees doing that. I don't do that. I go and tell the truth on reviews because if there's a place I've been to that's been great, I want other people to also enjoy that too. And I have a soft spot for small business because that's what we are. I want that, you know what I mean. So we have to take care of each other. The change they got all the financial support. I don't have any of the stuff that they've got. Everything's got to be self funded. I don't have a line of credit, I don't have anything like that.

1:16:11 Yeah, stay here, man, you're gonna be own pocket and everything's going to be funded. And the way that I always tell people is like,

1:16:18 yeah, what made me successful is Okay, you guys want to know. I'll give you, guys some entrepreneur advice. Write it down if you want to or anything like that. You get a job that pays you six figures, you live off a half of that. Then what you do is you use other money to basically invest in other business that you can do on a side. Gig, right, something that's going to be on the side, flipping equipment, flipping cars, flipping whatever it is. Finding something cheaper, making a couple of dollars profit off of it, You're going to build it up.

1:16:47 Excuse me, over time. You have to say consistent. So get a six six figure paying job, live off a half of that. If you can understand you've got kids, understand you got other stuff that's going to maybe you have a wife that doesn't work, or a husband that doesn't work, you know, somebody like that. But in my reference, that's what made me successful with that was making six figures, living off half of that and then supplying the other money to basically fund the other operations that I was doing, you know.

1:17:15 So that's how that works. And basically you're using one to supply another. Then you start getting income from two streams to where it gets enough then you can start a third one. But however, the only problem is we have it what's called a woman in a red dress, the shiny object that you see that, oh, this is a good business idea. But problem is, you got holes in the buckets on the other stuff that you're working on. So you have to refine, refine, refine, spend the money to refine, make those other buckets no holes in them, and then concentrate on the other thing that you want to.

1:17:48 Everybody says to be a millionaire, you need seven lines of income. That's bullshit.

1:17:53 It's bullshit. You don't need that much. You don't need that many lines of income to do that. Just have to be well versed, most and passion goes a long way too. You have to be passionate about what you're doing. Confident, confident, and passionate. You're gonna get your you know, businesses is warrant itself, you know. So you know, it's one of those things that it's tough. I love how tough it is. But I hope that other people, you know, I would love to be the guy to give people business advice and teach him how to do this instead of talking about UFOs, instead of talking about black teams.

1:18:29 That's what I'm really passionate about, is entrepreneurship and businesses. Yeah, you know, so I can't wait to I can't wait to come see uh, you know what you've built, man, I really can't and I can't wait help the world. I'm not taking credit for it. I got business partner and has done a lot of great things with it too. So it's not just me, you know, but we player has together. We made something fucking beautiful and it's going to continue to grow that way. And it's it's it's inspiring that you know, from from the traumatic event that you did experience, uh, to put a positive spin on it and to to try to do something better, to tell your story, the further disclosure, but all all the while still building your own empire.

1:19:16 Right. It's it's just that's the American dream. Brother, Well, you live in a dream. I think it should be everybody's dream. Everybody wants to be with, everybody wants to be successful. You know the thing I'm gonna tell you, guys, more money, more problems, lawyer, get some lawyers, because I mean that's the other thing. You get a lot of money, start getting lawyers. I got really good lawyers, you know. So So let's we're gonna be kind of transitioning here. So we so the event happens where we kind of stopped off.

1:19:47 Was the camera. Now, first off, I didn't even realize. I don't think in all of our conversations, hours and hours of conversation, mind you did I even did I remember or take note of this? So, first off, you had the camera on that camera. Did you take any pictures of the craft? Yes, anything, That was when we were on top of the slope. But you did take a picture of the craft. Yeah, I took video and I took pictures. And then after you it was the thing and I stung it in there. So in the back of my mind.

1:20:22 I'm literally like, okay, well I'm not crazy because we literally got pictures and video. But you know, so, so just to put your guys as a perspective in my shoes, mind you because of me going away and obviously getting put into a different company and having that black mark on me, essentially is not being the marine that you know, kisses everybody's ass and does all that. How do you know, so having to trust in my chin of command? Do you really think at that point I had trust in my chinea command when all that shit's going on, You think I trust any of these guys to sit there and say, oh yeah, you're not going to think I'm crazy because you already think I'm a ship bag because I went you a So why am I going to bother to tell anybody that's in charge of me that this happened.

1:21:11 I didn't feel confident with that. I didn't feel confident at all. You know. I had to be in this place because that's what we were told to do, you know. So at that point, that's when I felt all of us, as a matter of fact, too, were in the same boat as well. Nobody going to take us serious. Everybody's kind of you know, how do I put this? I don't want this to sound negative. Marines are kind of carbon copy of their leaders, right, I say the same thing that their leaders do. They just basically recurgitated versions that you get seniority, you build up brank and you start doing the same thing.

1:21:44 You still have the structure, so you're not really changing your mindset a whole lot. The only time you really change your mindset is when you're actually doing your job out in country or going to combat. Right, you're regrigitating information that you're taking from your seniors at teaching you and passing it to your your subordinates. Right, So everybody on essentially is like a carbon copy. You're kind of like not told to think, you're just told to do. You don't really think, you know, you think when you're doing your job.

1:22:12 There's one way I can describe it. So, you know, having that instance of think, not having the confidence in the leadership to just basically say, okay, well yeah, you're you're a ship bag because you went you wait, we're not gonna take you serious, and all of a sudden, because you think that you talk to them in confidence about something that that you know is serious. I know a lot of other Marines that had things happen to them that wasn't even on this level, but just something that was personal, and that leader that was in charge of them goes and tells the whole damp platoon that this person's dealing with that even though it's personal, you know what I mean.

1:22:45 So it's something that they got for it, you know. So it was one of those things that you know, yeah, I'm not gonna have confidence, and that none of these other guys did. You know that the only the only confidence we had was obviously just keeping our mouths shut and not saying anything, and then obviously getting to a point where we were able to have this happen now, even though it's been a long time being that's for a reason I didn't. I don't enjoy talking about this. This isn't something that makes me happy to do.

1:23:13 This is something that I feel compelled to do because it's the truth and it needs to get out. And it's been it's been unraveling people's minds. It's been questioning people, you know, questioning themselves. It questions me, which great hit, go ahead and do that. But the but the issue is is now that there's one, you know, because there's been other things that have similar happened that's coming out all of a sudden talking about these programs or whatnot. So the camera itself was in my locker on ship.

1:23:44 We were going out to Liberty for a few days. Now, mind you, we had to report back to the ship. Okay, So needless to say, I get back that first night and my camera's on my rack. It was in my locker. It was locked away. It had a combo lock, you know, all that kind of stuff, and my lock was not busted, it was not harmed. It was I don't know how the hell they opened it, but I had another battery in that locker. So when I got the camera off the rack, the battery was gone and the memory card was gone, but the camera was still there.

1:24:16 So I took you know, okay, maybe they're the data is saved on this. Take the battery out of my lock, unlock it, pop it in, try to turn on the camera. Nothing. So at that point I kind of went to the other guys and was like, hey, did you guys have anything disappear or kind of like get messed with, And they're like, yeah, our phones I'm like, what happened to your phones? They're gone? So I left my phone back in the rear at at base. You know, I didn't take it on ship with me because obviously there's no signal out there I could use, and there's no reason to have it besides taking pictures.

1:24:58 But that's why I had a camera, because it took better pictures than the phone that I had. So yeah, back then, most people would that was like the digital camera. It was the boom, you know, when you because now you didn't have to use the film, and they were pretty good quality too, much better than what was on the cell phone at the time, right, No, it's one hundred percent. That's why I decided to do that way, you know. And I didn't want to lose my phone, you know, because I had everybody's contacts in there, and obviously phones are getting expensive, so you know, I had a Sony ericson MP three phone, which was the ship back then, so you could play like music tracks and I had like the gold buttons on it, and it was like, I was like, man, this is awesome.

1:25:44 So I used to work out and listen to music with that, and you know, it's a good phone. So I didn't want to. I didn't want to mess it up. But then when I got back to base, I ended up leaving it in some clothes and washed it anyway, so that by by so when I got fun to begin with. So yeah, planning and go as well as I thought smart. So the other guys get their phones taken, you get your your basically, I mean, all that's needed to be taken is a spe card and now you have no So so someone literally, I mean an organization.

1:26:25 That organization came in and tied up the loose entence and you know in a way that I guess they didn't have to kill you because now, I mean, your story sounds so crazy that if you go sprouting it out in two thousand and nine, like you said, you're gonna end up at some sort of mental facility or you're just not going to be taken. Seriously, back then, this was not the now Conressionally, hearings weren't happening. All of that would have happened, right, not the hearings part, but everything such as you know they locked they like to lock people up for that kind of ship.

1:27:04 Yeah, you know so, and especially a military career. I mean look, how many pilots have seen stuff in the sky and all of a sudden their careers are completely ruined because they reported it, you know, and that and then and you know, come to find out with this organization, they have their fingers and everything. They got people in the military that are at the top that literally filter orders down and nobody questions. And that's how it is. They got people in media, they got people in government, obviously, they got people everywhere.

1:27:34 I'm reminded, and I know you and I privately have talked about this, and now we're going to kind of transition to your search. So you've told other parts. I mean, you've told this story, right, We're not going to get hung up on what happens from the sighting to use searching. We're going to kind of jump to the disclosure project and you searching for truth. I think you've gone over all the other details in depth, and if anyone wants to really hear that, I really really highly recommend the Sean Ryan interview you did.

1:28:15 It was like you go into so much detail there, So let's skip ahead to your search for truth and who how do you like is it always lingering in your head like I'm going to find who those people were or in the last couple of years, is it seeing the other people step forward that really got you to like, I'm doing this. I'm going to sacrifice what I need and tell my story. No, I wasn't. I was not originally that heroic. I didn't want to be public about this. I had told Greer that. So I watched Sean Ryan Show with Doctor Greer the first time he went on, and he talked about you know, because I signed to d n DA, And that was with a gentleman who was perceiving himself as an Air Force lieutenant colonel that called me up to the CP that was empty.

1:29:11 There was nobody there was on a weekend. There was no duty even present, and he basically said that we weren't allowed to talk about it. We could be executed, we could put in jail. And I gave a sketch that I did to the Pentagon, and I remember, obviously the silver oak leaves he had on his collar and he had some jump wings. That was the only thing. He didn't have pilot wings or anything, but he had jump wings. And so when Drush vetted me and among other people, they said, okay, That makes sense because that means that he was intelligence.

1:29:43 That's an intelligence air Force officer, which segments into Obviously, what people are finding out these days is that Air Force intelligence is segmenting into these other programs. So that was the gentleman. I don't know it's to this day, I don't know who he is, but I gave a description. I literally did a full detailed sketch that I provided Arrow and a bunch of other people to basically say, hey, if you guys can take this put in the system however you can, And this is what the guy looked like.

1:30:10 And so he was the one that made us sign the NBA's I didn't. I skimmed over it. The only thing I can recall seeing is TSSCI and Indonesia. There's only other things. I fucking signed it because I was I was, I was afraid because this this only happened month about a month prior, and then all of a sudden we get you know, obviously the camera goes missing, or at least the SD card or the memory card, and then the battery, and then the Marines other phones, and then so like okay, then it's just like trickling this harassment you know, like, Okay, it's not out of You're not out of the woods yet, right, So I just sign it and just leave, right, And I asked him, sure, I can, I ask who you are?

1:30:48 And he just looked at me and just didn't say anything, and they just pointed. So I walked out the door. I'm like looking behind me and to give him a proper greading, and weren't outside, so I didn't salute him or anything because he's a higher rank. Right. That was the last of that incident at least, you know, which would span from that. So that was kind of the thing that was held over my head for years because I'm like, why, you know, these guys obviously know who we are, because they literally trapped us to this point.

1:31:17 They obviously know my name, they know my social Security number, they know pretty much everything. They know type, So how everything about you? Why am I going to go you know, something with that kind of extreme Why am I going to go through the links of doing that? But then when they talked about kind of having these protections in place, and and you know, Greery, if you ever get him on the show, you could you could ask him like did he have the intention of going public. I had no intention of going public.

1:31:46 I didn't want to, but then I started thinking about it. I started thinking about in a sense that you know what, if there's any other people who have witnessed what I've seen in similar instances, maybe people have been murdered for which come to find that there has been maybe I can be the one to lead the path. Maybe I can get other people,

1:32:08 you know, to kind of follow suit and go behind the scenes and tell other people what I experienced and what you know, if they've encountered some olar things such as a military force that was doing this, and so far it kind of has happened, but it didn't happen in a way of incidental witness such as myself. It happened in the way of these people in this program that are doing these operations, such as the operators coming forward on the back end and providing details to people in the government. An Arrow in you know, Pentagon, Washington, DC, just a bunch of suits and ties, and you know some other other famous people.

1:32:55 I'm not going to give their names. Yeah, excuse, I mean, I know personally you are the third person on the show that has given testimony to Arrow. I do want to just ask how long did you give testimony to Arrow and did they seem like they were interested in at all? Okay, it's a great question, and you know I haven't really went in depth of that. I can't nearly go in depth with the conversation with Arrow because I did sign a non disclosure about that. The only thing I can tell is because I will see everybody knows doctor k was involved with that, and I did meet with him in person.

1:33:41 I will tell you that one of the gentlemen I'm not going to give who he is, that was in there with me. We end up becoming really good friends. He was there with me the whole process. Very good guy, very high up in the government at that point too. He had told me that because he's been to every interview with Arrow, with other whistleblowers, and he says that he was very surprised to see that most of them were taking notes about what I was saying, because most of them weren't doing that with other whistleblowers, which is bullshit.

1:34:14 I mean, if you're in this trusted position, excuse me to take you know, to do something to investigate this. I would expect you to have a notepad and a pen and writing down key details that you could look into. One of the things that I was really trying to get them because they printed out satellite imagery of the area and we're trying to figure out and narrowed it down. I was in the pilot. I didn't plan the mission. I don't know specifically where we went. The only thing I can recall is basically where the helicopter with a point of view being in the back where the ocean was facing.

1:34:44 And that's the only thing I can go off, you know. So I was, you know, kind of looking at the train, maybe trying to see but obviously this is fourteen years ago, so there's things that have changed since then. Vegetation, I mean, you name it. So I asked him, and I said, do you guys have the capability because this the United States government, this is intelligence agencies that are literally in this. You know, you could you guys have any SAT imagery from two thousand and nine that you guys could possibly provide me and then maybe I can look it over and try to do that.

1:35:11 And I hear crickets. They were interested, and obviously the sketches I did because they asked for that. I've got emails of them hounting me, asking when they're going to be done and all this, and then I sent them over through a secure server that they sent over through an email that I had to log into, and then basically upload all the files and then everything like that, and I didn't hear anything from them. And at that point I'm like, Okay, maybe because they were telling me in these emails that Okay, we're interested in actually following up and looking into this.

1:35:41 But obviously almost a year later, we know exactly how that went. You end up planting out that Arrows a front for this group among others as well. And what it seems like is they were trying to siphon information from people to see if you know, basically Arrow. This is how ridiculous it is. Some of the whistleblowers, I know, they have key locations, they've got assets that they can prove at these locations, They've got people in charge that they can name on the subpoena. But yet these guys don't want to go investigate that.

1:36:21 You want to know what they're going to go investigate. They want to go see what Fraver saw, but thirty, you know, twenty thousand feet that's what they want to go see. They'll investigate the satellite imagery of that, but they're not going to go to these locations that would basically subsequently just blow this whole thing open. They don't care about that, you know why. That's what kind of told me that, Okay, these guys and come to find out that doctor K is relaying this information to a panel of people of what his findings are, and then the two of those people are two of the gatekeepers for the Legacy program that are the bad guys.

1:36:55 So obviously people are connecting the dots with that. Now that's all coming out, So obviously what this is going to say is like, hey, they're trying to tell him basically to investigate the shit that they really can't investigate, and then just turn a blind eye to the stuff that they can. Right, I'm by design. I mean this is it's so faulty because it puts everybody at risk that literally came in good faith to put trust in this, to sit there and say, hey, can you guys do something about this? And all they're going to do is is no, they're not.

1:37:26 They're going to play more into it. So you know, it's one of those things. That's disappointing, but I kind of expected it, you know, but at least you know. That's why I'm proud to say before going to stepping into arrow, go into the Pentagon, that I talked to the Sun Intelligence Committee before which I signed an NDA with them. I was in a skiff. I briefed a lot of them. There was a couple of Congress and Senators that were there, and they asked me the same questions kind of, but they were really really more interested compared to what ER was perceiving to be.

1:38:03 And the purpose, the reason why they did it that way was because if they have the same information I provided them, and then Ero comes back and says that they got nothing. Even though some of these key people took me over the Pentagon to begin with, they're comparing notes. Java sent intelligence commute was to hold Erroll accountable, so that kind of happened to an extent. But there's a lot of red tape that they're involved with too, So I mean, it's politics. People are more interested about money as opposed to doing the right thing.

1:38:39 My take is you will make a lot of money doing the right thing. It doesn't happen to it's kind of shit. I mean, it's just it blows my mind, Like, is somebody who's self funding all of my stuff? That's you know, I'm wealthy. I love having what I have. I worked very hard for it. I don't throw shade on people to do that, but I will throw shape that if that is. Like, I'm very money motivated too, but it's for the right reason. If it's under morals and ethics, then it's it's all game. So these guys could do the same thing.

1:39:10 They can make money off of this kind of technology by patenting it and then having companies do what they usually do. Right, there's a way they can throw spinoffs at this. This happens all the time. Right when it comes to politics. Money is a lot different because they're not using their money, they're using your money. They're using money at people watching this video right now. They're using money to see every US taxpayer. That's what they're using. Guys. So they're they're, they're, they're they're how do you put god?

1:39:42 I suck with analogies today. Some days I'm just on that, but today I'm not. They're basically feathering their own nest, you know, at this point, and they're using taxpayer money to do that, you know, And I've lost confidence and the fact that voting actually does anything these days because it's all about donors. It's all about money, it's all about lobbyists. That's what that's what they care for, you know. But if anything can change, obviously we know who's been against this. So when it comes up time to actually put new blood into the tank, vote these assholes out.

1:40:19 Yeah, and and I mean you might not want to say it, but these guys like Mike Turner in you know, Ohio, who just so happens to be funded by these same organizations that hold the keys to these programs and and uh, these this military industrial complex that's been created. Yeah, yeah, they definitely need to go. And that brings me to your search for the So you come out at the Disclosure Project two point zero after years of contemplation, and you know, should I do it just naturally right in your head?

1:41:05 I'm assuming since the day it happened to the day you came out. I mean, that's got to be a big step forward. And I want to address something that people seem to call you out for for some reason, the pins you were wearing during the I know I can't even believe we're about to have this conversation. But we told we we said it to each other that we were going to have it. So let's get it out on the open. Why were the pins and what does it mean to you? Okay, Well, all I'm going to say is this, there are bad apples in every organization, and unfortunately that happens even with as being a Freemason, and as somebody who has spent a you know, a good chunk of my life into that.

1:41:51 I was a Freemason since I was eighteen, and that's why, like I've seen slander saying like, oh, I'm a devil worshiper in the Marine Corps, you know, because I you know, black clothes. Oh God, that says that I worshiped the devil. And you know we have ghats that we sacrifice. Well, I have not seen a goat in a lodge ever since I've been to meetings and all that. Never see a damn goat all right, So depends obviously, one, I'm a Freemason, I have pens. I have. Obviously, this was a brother that actually got in touch with me.

1:42:18 There's that, right. So I don't know if you guys can see that might be upside down, all right, I have that. I have a tattoo on my arm one that I designed. Right, it's very symbolic, which is the Mason logo, the square and compass. Right, So it actually has a skull here, which represents mortality and immortality. It has all it has, it has the let's see, it has the all seeing eye. Right, there's a lot of things around that. It's not that I have lucifer, so don't get that in your head. And then the Hebrew ancient Hebrew is l I usually we have a G in the middle of here in HT.

1:42:56 Well, you can't find light. G is supposed to present uh generative principle or what people call God or the grand architect of the universe. Right, Well, you can't have knowledge without finding the truth or light. You can't find the light without the finding God or that that purpose. Right. I have yet to find that personally. But when I do, I'm going to put the ancient I'm going to put the G in here. When I do that, that's the whole it. Maybe it will happen after disclosure happens, Maybe that maybe that might be the time that I actually put the g on there as far as as far as what people think the World Economic Forum that that that was the pen Now that's that's called the SDG, which is I'm a member of Lucid's Trust, which is an organization with the United Nations.

1:43:40 And it meant nothing. Okay when I say this, don't not that masonry is nothing. It was nothing to show you were part of some cabal or like it wasn't you weren't throwing out say no symbology because you were at the National Press Club. What it was was because there are brothers of mine that are also related to these programs, to these and it doesn't even have to relate to to the the these rogue programs that are a part of the deep black realm, right, I'm talking about anything anybody who's in the kind of corrupted side of things that is just somebody who's caught in the middle of it.

1:44:25 My inspiration to where that stuff was to say, hey, if you're a part of what I'm a part of, please come forward and help me with this. To an extent exactly, that's why what is a call for it's also a call for protection too, because I've had a lot of brothers reach out to me after seeing all my interviews, and they have nothing but good things to say, and a lot of them are like, I fucking knew it. I fucking knew this shit was real, you know, knew it was going and that so we have so much to unpack here, because not only in one night do you get the confirmation that some and and I'm like, I'm oddly inspired to I mean called to Daniel innyuay Uh, former senator of Hawaii.

1:45:11 He's actually one of the senators that Harry Reid went to to get the program ASAPS started. But Daniel in a way made that speech talking about a shadowy, fractal part of our government that exists with its own army, its own navy, its own fundraising mechanisms. It operates above the law and without oversight from congressional or any means. And this is so deep that the president isn't even aware it's going on. How do we go up against something like that? Well, let me let me explain something to you, guys.

1:45:59 I've had people ask, oh, they could take over the world. They already did, They did it a long time ago. Yeah, look around, Yeah, well exactly, you know, they own politicians. They literally own governments like you need everybody needs to think that. Yes, you guys need to be in the mindset that takeover has already happened, because it did Biden was put into office. I'm not going to get into politics, but I'm gonnaell you what I know. There have been key people, including Biden, that have been helped into this position as a way for them to say, Hey, we can do whatever the fuck we want.

1:46:34 We can put people in charge whoever we want to. This is all and like every I'm not you know this that I hate. I don't like politics. If you believe Biden and they and you think he's great, I support you on that. You think Trump is great, I support you on that. If you're a United States citizen, I support you. I want you to believe whatever you want to believe. You don't have to believe me. I'm not asking for that. I believe in you, and I want you to believe in what you want to believe. That is the beautiful thing about this country, all right, But I will say that if you're not opening your eyes and seeing what the hell's going on in this world, and you think that that's normal, it's not normal.

1:47:15 Everybody says that os Masons are the ones that are responsible for that, the illuminati. No, I'll tell you this. In lodge meetings, we have a hard time figuring out who's going to bring fucking pancakes to breakfast. Goddamn organized. Now, I will say this, there are people in our organization who happen to be in very high positions of power. So when people see them with such as the stuff that I've had, well that's exactly it. But the problem is, and I'm kind of going off in the weeds with this, because there has been corporate interests that have infiltrated our brotherhood and along with that comes money.

1:47:57 It's no different from politics, different from these programs. I know the history of how we started to an extent, I know how the CFR was made, which I tried to get into the CFR by the way, and I chickened out, and I had some sponsorships. They're going to help me with being the Council for Relations, but I just honestly don't have time for it. And I'd feel like I don't feel like donating thirty five forty thousand dollars each time. That's just wait to become thirty third degree and have to donate twenty five thousand dollars to the House of the Temple.

1:48:27 I'm sorry, you know, I haven't been nominated to do that, and I don't think I will. And I haven't really attended a meeting ever since COVID happened because I've been busy with my business and

1:48:38 it's one of those things I'm not you know. I love the reason why I was a Mason to begin with one because I've heard of the camaraderie. There's a lot of brothers, another former military, which is great. I've met a lot of great, phenomenal people. One of the beautiful things about our organization is networking, in plugging in with other successful people. I didn't learn this stuff on my own, guys. I picked their brains on how to become successful. It starts with confidence. It starts with setting literally setting the intention of your of your life, putting you know, brain waves are very powerful things, so get your brain waves.

1:49:13 And the biggest thing I can tell you, guys, these affirmations are very real. But the other thing is real is guess what you need to start saying that if you really want to be rich, you're already fucking rich and everything that you start believing that, and you genuinely believe that everything in your life is going to follow suit. I promise you this because I've done it myself. Yeah. Yeah, it starts up here, guys, and it starts with a passion. That is how you become successful. You literally tell yourself you already have it because your brain doesn't know the difference.

1:49:41 Your eyes are literally things that really suck in light and that's what you're seeing, right. But you're literally your body is made for the environment of this world. But your brain's in a different frequency, guys. So you start thinking in that frequency and start getting the brain waves, it's going to generate that for you. It sounds fucking crazy, not as crazy as what I've been talking about for almost a year, but it's very real. Guys. Your words matter. We've proven that. I mean, you know that, you're very real.

1:50:13 Yeah you you you you know you probably know the study the guy in the students, they basically spoke to water before freezing it and crystallizing it, and they spoke uh words like love, hate, you know, mass shooting, uh flower and all the things that would represent good. The crystals were gorgeous. And then all the words that they froze that were bad that they spoke bad words to or negative negatively connotated meaning to the to the words. The crystals were a mess in all, you know, they weren't beautiful like you see in in the movies, right, And it just goes to show you that the way and you think, the way that you think, and the way that you what you speak, how you speak, it all matters to the environment around you.

1:51:13 When you're in a pissed off mood, everything's shitty, but when you're smiling, everything's great. Right, So I wanted, how did this, How did this affect you in that way? Because clearly you you went through some sort of transformation. I mean, it did have anything to do with with with the Night in two thousand and nine. Liked did it confirm? Well? I mean, I mean in this in a way, when you saw that craft, you have to think one of two things. It's alien or it's ours and it's back engineered from alien technology.

1:51:57 And I said that earlier, that that's what it come for me? Was that the case, what my success in my mindset didn't come from any of that. That was a negative part of my life and it still is. It's always going to be, you know. And and really what change was because you know, I'm getting you know again. I don't like talking about this and it doesn't make me feel good to talk about it. But I had in January of twenty thirteen, I had. I had attempted suicide. I didn't tell anybody about it. I had nineteen eleven.

1:52:27 My dad bought me for my birthday the previous year, and that's when I lost everything. That's when I was, you know, living out of the cars, about to start doing that, and I I wrapped myself in bed sheets and I took the weapon, put it to my chin and pulled the trigger. And I'm still here.

1:52:54 And the reason why is because that hammer, literally a couple of millimeters did not come and on tap of the fire and pinner, and mind you, I fired that weapon several times. I put hunters of around through. It functioned like a top. I mean, I'm a marine and how to take care of my weapons. And that a couple millimeters saved my life. And the transformation happened because I realized at that point that if I had the power to take my life, I had the power to do anything with my life. So that was the catalyst of literally something like you like you have to die to be reborn, is how I see it.

1:53:40 And that was the pivotal point because then I realized that, you know, I'm the only one who's literally fucking up everything. If that's the case, well how do I not do that? So I changed my mindset. I started thinking positive, I started doing everything that I wanted to do in my life. The only thing I realized was that I was I was only I was the one that was stepping on my own dick, so to speak. You know. So I it changed my life and and you know, guys, the only way that you that you get past it is by taking risks, bigger risks, bigger rewards.

1:54:16 Now I can't say anything for for what I'm doing with disclosure is going to be any risk because it's a huge risk, and what are the rewards for me personally? I don't get money from this ship. I don't get a payout. I don't I'm not I'm not paying him. Just if anyone is wondering, I'm not paying Michael to be here make people's money. You want to know why, because my testimony is not for fucking sale. People want to monetize this ship. They do it all the time to other people. They want to write books about themselves and make movies.

1:54:49 No, that's not how this happens. This is the reason why we're in this fucking problem to begin with. You know, so, so that that was the key, right there is? Yes, the risk I'm taking is I want everybody. I want our world to change. I want humanity to be better. I want to have better technologies. I want us to elevate as a fucking human race and stop killing each other over fucking material. Because material is the easiest thing you can get. Guys, you can make money anywhere, So why do we treat it like it's so hard to get when you literally can do anything to make money And you want to know?

1:55:29 So here, here's here's a side, tangent. I wanted to start an app. Right, you have these apps that tell you like positive ship every day, right, like, oh you know you'll you'll smash that, you'll get an a plus on your on your physics test or something like that recement. I want to do a fucking real app that says you know what, you keep eating those fucking Cheetos. You're gonna be a fat fuck like that. I want like because that is how shit changes, Guys. It ain't from you know you have, yes, it is from positive thoughts, but it happens to actually be rough with yourself to realize that shit has to change.

1:56:00 You have to not be happy with something if you're if you're broke and you're happy, and you're unhappy being broke, there's other ways to make money. If you're out of shape and you're happy, we'll get in shape, workout, exercise. I promise you'll feel better. But you know that that's where it comes down to things, Guys. This money is the kind of the problem with this. Now, not everybody's like this. You know, there's a lot of good people in the government, and I'm thankful that I got to know a lot of good people in the government.

1:56:29 And if they're watching this, hey, keep keep fucking pressing on, guys, because I feel like this is going to blow up here soon and it's going to be good for everybody. But you know, money is the reason why this is an issue. The money is the reason why this is secret. Okay, So that that night in particular was you know, at least when I tried to take my own life. Yeah, that was that was that was a catalyst for it, you know. And I, you know, i'd call that what I'd call that? Is it something? I mean, I don't know how to interpret it other than divine intervention.

1:57:08 It's almost like something It's almost like you were meant to do what you're doing right now. Well, and it's scary you say that, because that's why everything I feels falling into place with this. And it's really weird to say that, because when you know, when I went to disclosure two point zero, and you know, I I talked at a Greer's event and it was nice to talk and I was nervous. I mean, I was nervous in this aspect. Now, for me, I competed in bodybuilding, So I was wearing nothing about something that looked like a fucking banana hammock in front of thousands of people oiled up and tanned up and you know, looking shredded and whatnot.

1:57:44 You know, so that right there is a little bit more nerve wrecking than talking to people about an experience with the suit on. And you know, yeah, so yeah, was I talking about something that I didn't you know, I didn't think it was gonna get much. Yeah, but people, dude, I wouldn't say it wasn't much. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, you have to look around at what was also happening. I mean, grush was just coming out. All that stuff was starting to break, like all the levees were starting to come undone.

1:58:20 So I think I think Greer kind of Greer positioned that conference that that speaking engagement with all of you guys. I think he did it at the wrong time. I think if he did it a month later, it would have had such a bigger impact. And honestly I would have went because I would have I would have been able to. But your search for truth led you. I mean, there's one there's one thing. Let me let me you know that there's a okay good. So my search for truth didn't happen until literally after I gave my first speech at that event.

1:59:01 Right now, I am. I'm somebody who if somebody provides for me, then I try to provide for them in any way that I can, because I don't like getting free shit. I work for what I have. I bust my off for what I have and That's that's how I have things I had. I had told Career that you know what, Okay, if you cover you're going to cover all my travel to go to d C and being a part of your event and get us a hotel room and pay for our dinners, which was nice of him to do and didn't take any money because he didn't pay us obviously.

1:59:33 And I told him, Okay, if you're going to provide for me, then what I'm going to do is provide for you. I have a private security firm. I am not licensed to carry a firearm in Washington, d C. However, I worked with people when I did security out there for some very important people and we're talking about political people here too, that they were able to be armed. I said, I can get in touch with them and see if any of them can have anybody help us with giving us a guy that can be armed. And that's exactly what happened.

2:00:02 So I ran. I was also security for him too. I took him to his green room and I got to see kind of behind the scenes on how how Greer is and how you know, how everything works. It's very complex. It's very interesting too. Yeah, he's definitely a guy that doesn't leave a lot to chance. Yeah, So I gave my presentation, obviously, and then there was a break. So I took Greer back to his green room and I hear his phone go off and he pulls it out, and my wife with me, so she's sitting on a couch. He ended up talking about what we want to get for like lunch or something.

2:00:37 So we end up having like some sushi and some like fried rice or so I have fried I love rice, right, Rice is like fucking crack. I love rice. That's my favorite carb and it is great. Oh man, you can do It's so good.

2:00:56 But yeah, so i'm you know, I'm talking to my wife and then all of a sudden, Greer is like, hey, I got something to show you, and so he has me his phone and I start reading this message and it's on an encrypted platform. It's way more advancing signal, and in it says I don't want to leave Michael hanging with this. But it wasn't drugs and those containers that he saw. It was people, and he he told Greer that he wants to discuss with Greer in person of what program that is for and why. And when I say that.

2:01:38 When I found that out, my heart sunk and I started crying because here I am in a position in two thousand and nine that I couldn't do anything about it.

2:01:53 And my worst thing, because all of a sudden, they have people and containers. I'm starting to think about human trafficking Oregon harvesting. I mean, everybody's heard of this it and that's where my mind went. And you never and no one thinks it's No one thinks it's real. Like you know, people are people associate world. It's the most lucrative business in the world. Every government is also in some way allowing this to happen. Why do you guys think that no government's after this shit? What it's not.

2:02:20 It's by design, guys. I mean, they have the resources that go do this. They could end this within a couple maybe a couple of years. But problems is is that people are involved with this that we never thought people would be. And it's very concerning and this, you know. So so having that in the back of my mind and I didn't think of anything like with what I started to learn about, right because all of a sudden I started getting this information. So that's where my mind went. I started like kind of getting very fucking angry, and you know, I'm like, this is fucking bullshit, Like, are you kidding me?

2:02:54 This is disgusting. Yeah, you're you're using these kind of assets to literally perpetrate some of the fucking most hanteous crimes on this planet, such as selling people off and harvesting them and doing the you know, you think about adrenochrome and all that stuff too. So you know, my heart sunk and I read it, and he can see like he kind of teared up too, But I was like I was going because I'm like, this is unbelievable, and it's still fucking stuffs to talk about because it's just part of it.

2:03:26 Still people, Man, it's people. I don't have kids, but actually I could imagine if I had children, how I would I would probably be more emotional about it. And because there are people who are missing their loved ones from stuff like this and it's it's heinous. I couldn't imagine doing something like that. I couldn't imagine, dude, damn. So if what you're saying, I mean, if all this is accurate, then what we're looking at here is a a whatever kind of organization right, using the guys in the cover of a natural disaster with technology far more advanced than what's even remotely possible in our wildest dreams, and they're using it to collect people.

2:04:29 Where are they bringing these people? Well, okay, so people have to understand is that these particular people,

2:04:41 they are people that are not normal. They're not like you and I. They are borderline psychic. And my hypothesis was that, you know, because everybody asked, well, how do they find each other? How do you know that a sionic person's a sionic person? My hypothesis is that maybe they have a sonic person who does this, literally goes and filters people, and they kind of have because they're kind of the same, that they know how to identify each other, and they may have technologies that they used to also figure out who's who.

2:05:10 I mean, I don't know, but I will tell you that these people are part of a program. And the screening program itself is called psionic predisposition or psionic predisposition potential. All right, so these people, now, well you guys have to understand is this black organization, which this black organization they get their operators from special operations groups. I know the screening process that they do for this. I'm not going to go into it because I don't want it to be public because then they can try to narrow down some of the good guys that are helping me with this, and that's the last fucking thing I need.

2:05:47 So yeah, we're not going there. I will tell you that there is a part of this, this screening process for operators that they test and see their abilities with psychopathic and sociopathic personality and they fine tune that. And I don't know how they do this, but they will basically turn people who are patriotic, hard working men who served our country very good and turn them into fucking machines, and they pay them a ship ton of money. They literally are above the law. They can do whatever they want and there's nothing that stops them.

2:06:27 They can do whatever the hell they want. They they are very They're the strongest organization in the world because they have technologies that can do circles around our most sophisticated advanced technologies that we know as blue or gray programs, right and some black programs for that matter, which black programs are ones that the Congress and Senate as well as the President know of They don't know the details, but they know that, Okay, X amount of dollars is going into this program, and this is what it's for exactly.

2:06:59 Deep black is where it doesn't exist. There is no records of it. There is nothing. Literally they're going to show you that. You know, Yeah, this is when we start going paperless. Yeah, it's no record. They document it, but it's not the way that you think. Now, I will say this, you know this whole thing. I hear news commentators talk about, oh, well, you know Russia and China can hack our nuclear armories. No they can't. You don't know why. This may be top secret, but you know it's it's been out there before.

2:07:41 All their systems are manned by like a floppy disk system since the seventies. And the reason why they keep it very archaic is because if you have anything that transmits top side, they can hack it with a signal, right like Wi Fi they can hack into they can hack into anything like that. So if they keep something very archaic that can't be hacked, well they're safer that way. They're not upgrading and trying to get like keep up with the Jones as if you will, And so their systems are manned that way.

2:08:08 A lot of these installations are kind of the same way too. There they have their own communications or race subterranean to where they can't penetrate top side, so nobody on a CV radio or any military radio or anything for the matter, can intercept the signals that are underneath the ground.

2:08:26 These these installations are not Yeah, they don't look anything that you think they would look like. They look abandoned, They look like they are just remnants of the past. Or there's other parts of military bases that if you have a certain clearance or have a certain if you're read into something, then you can go to a certain part of an installation and go underground. That's another part of it too. So you know this, after getting that message, they end up going back home. Obviously. Then all of a sudden, I get, you know, invited on the Sean Ryan Show, which you know, Sean Ryan's a badass dude.

2:09:03 You know who I got that gang. Yeah, that's why I got that picture in the background. My wife got that for me for my birthday, so she blew it up, and uh, you know, I Sean Ryan's a good guy. You know, he's he's badass. And the other two guys are good too, you know, in d C and Eric. So you know, so I didn't think anything was going to come with this. I just thought, Okay, it was gonna get my testimony out there and expect Sean Ryan to want to pick me up on a show. I didn't expect any of this ship And

2:09:37 all of a sudden, out the blue, I wake up to a message from Doctor Career and he says, Hey, an insider from from this organization knows exactly what you saw. He wants to get in contact with you and tell you about it, right, So he gave me his phone and I I sat on it for a while because this guy is a part of the organization that's literally just in two thousand and nine held us a gunpoint that you're pissed at. Yeah, do you think I'm gonna try to go to the horse's mouth and then you think I feel good about that?

2:10:19 You think I'm gonna want to voluntar? Yeah? Sure, here I'm over here. So that's going through my head, and I was like, you know what,

2:10:28 if this guy's legitimately trying to help, then I want to be there for that. So I left a paper trail to some important people of where I was going, and you know, it was one of the things where I kept having on the back in my mind like this is it. You know, they could I'm going into their world, so to speak, in their area. Right. I'm not going to say where I flew into. I'm not going to say where you know we met up at. But they took my safety very seriously and I was able. They picked me up front in an armored vehicle, which was cool, and the fucking doorsway a lot.

2:11:09 But you know, you're used to writing the military humpies that are up armored in another vehicle, so it really is a thing, but you know this, this vehicle is cool. So ended up taking me to a meeting spot and I met this gentleman who you know. He asked me if I was hungry, so I was like, you know what, the subway sounds good. So they went and got subway for everybody, but we didn't eat that until after we ended up. We ended up talking first. So we go into this room it's like a conference room table and he pulls in as is like satchel.

2:11:53 So he sits down and he has it and he pulls out the thing that looks like a it's like a wand but it's like a silver brick with like a loop on the top of it. And he turned it on and he starts going like this with it, and he goes over his extremities and everything like that, and he hands it to me. He says, go ahead and do the same thing. Let's put it on all over your body and bugs chips. So I have my phone in my pocket, so literally everywhere else is silent, and it hits my phone and starts going AWF really loud.

2:12:33 I'm like, oh shit. So he says, what's that. I said, it's my phone. He says, go ahead and put it on airplane mode and set it over on the table and don't reach for it. And so I do that, right, and so he hands me. I hand it back to him, and then he proceeds to ask me if I'm a nineteen eleven guy or am I a glock guy now? Because I told you guys a little bit about my experience with a nineteen even I was like no. So I was like, you know, I like glocks. So he hands me a glock. He slides the slide to the rear locks it open, it shows me it's clear, hands it to me, hands me the magazine, and I put it in and he says, good chamber of the round.

2:13:16 So I chambered around and he gives me the whole store. So I holstered it in. He says, keep it on your hip. He says, none of us are armed. You're the one one. It is, so kind OF's going on. I'm like, well, you know, I mean, grant, I'm not fucking John Wick with a pistol, all right, I'm not John Wick by any means, but I think if I'm under the pressure, I can definitely. It's already chambered, and they don't have an external safety mechanism like a nineteen eleven would, so you just liwly pop it out and aim and shoot obviously, But so so there give they made sure that you felt in power, correct because they Yeah, these guys knew what I dealt with because they they heard what I had to say.

2:13:59 You know, So that then taking my safety and consideration and and then arming me in the process, where I felt like a le was was was refreshing. And so he starts telling me about you know, we start kind of get to know each other personally building rapport, which is good because I mean, that's how it should be done. I mean, these guys are people at the end of the day, and it's I'm glad that there's good people in this group, and there's and guys, there's more good people in this organization that are bad.

2:14:32 But unfortunately they have a lot of bad that can still do a lot of damage. And you know, so they got to be very safe with this. And so he starts, we get to know each other personally, and then he says, I'm gonna start talking about what you saw. I was like, okay. He explains that these people obviously are taken from areas that are less resirable in the world war torn areas, world countries. Bureau of inn In Affairs is another one, and the reason why is because these Black Team operators in this organization are not able to access this technology by themselves, at least reverse engineering it or they can do it that way, but from extraterrestrial technology, they cannot interface with it.

2:15:23 So they need people that can. So imagine, if you will, like the United States will go to foreign countries to find cheaper labor sources right for manufacturing. This group does the same thing, but they bring them to these installations. So the screening process which I've talked about THEWSP three is literally for that to see if they have this ability or this predisposition genetically to be able to access this technology and can I'm going to pause you there because we know now people there's people go out there gonna ask I want the evidence, I want the evidence.

2:16:04 I want to know, dude. The evidence is everywhere, guys. Gary Nolan is talking about this predisposition, this

2:16:13 this trait in some people that is different and allows them or may allow them to be able to see things that others can't or or perceive what may be unperceivable to most. Doctor John Macks has the research done there, there's there's so we know the government is looked into consciousness and they've spent millions, if not billions of dollars uh into remote viewing and other psyops uh uh nut siops psychological based research, so trying to figure out what consciousness is, how to use it, if it can be raised, etc. These are all things that have either been declassified or you can read more into.

2:17:15 The evidence is all around us. He is simply filling in the gaps, correct I'm sorry continue and I'm not a fan of this. By the way, I don't advocate what this group's doing by any means. I think it's barbaric and I think it's heinous. So these people, these P threes, that's what we will refer to the mask. You know, they're provided for. They're not taking against their will. They are literally screened and asked if they want to participate because they're given the lifestyle that they normally would never have in that part of the world.

2:17:51 Clean water, reliable heating, air conditioning, food, medical education, everything that somebody could want as a necessity. Organization provides for them, which is weird. It's almost like Stockholm syndrome to an extent, right, because you're taking care of the captors are taking care of these people, and these people are willing because all of a sudden they see that they're doing something for them, you know that they're they're able to participate in this. And it's not like anyone, i mean, let's face it, the third world countries that they come from.

2:18:25 It's not like the people that would be looking for them have the resources to make enough stink where anyone would even pay attention. Well, it's kind of that way. But at the same time, you know, I had this question too, why don't the janitors or the facilities maintenance guys in these installations ever come forward and literally say, hey, I work at this base, this is what they do there. Well, they're a part of that group of people that you know, they don't have the predisposition to an extent, but they still serve a purpose.

2:19:03 And that's what they're using for is Cook's facilities maintenance everything, So they're provided for and care for too. They're not gonna and these people don't have any Social Security numbers, they're not an American citizens. So you know, let's just say, if there was somebody who's you know, in power that was to deport everybody, then these guys would go back to where they were. They go back to a Lester's Aubel point. So they're not going to give up their livelihood just to tell a story and have it, you know, have it.

2:19:28 You know, hit a guardrail in the process of it, because there's other people who are going to really fabricate as much evidence against them to say otherwise, because that's also happens too. So you know, so I understand and I'm glad that the least that they're taking care of. But the other thing I'm not happy about is to achieve the levels of hitting the level of consciousness, they need to make contact with extraterrestrials. They these guys on a lot of uppers, a lot of serotonin, and an antocrine system.

2:20:05 The endocrint system can only handle so much, and then it obviously starts taxing. Yeah, you know, I've got a bio three degrees, so that was something that I understood. Well, I mean, I also and not to interject here, but I also know this, you know, being now, I'm an alcoholic, but I was in programs with people who had all kinds of addictions. And the people that are on the uppers, they have it the worst because they go into these manic like after day three, day four, like they it's literally they call it psychosis, like where you literally just you don't know who you are, what you are.

2:20:51 It's you're just like in like this weird autopilot. So it sounds like they keep them at that correct. You know, it's not necessarily that too. I mean, but you know, the these I'm not going to get into details from a specific person that I was briefed about who is a P three that's a part of these programs. What they had expressed is that there's a lot of missing time involved that they can't recount, but they know that they're they're chipped. You know, they have a chip in their in their body, in their back, and it's actually two purposes.

2:21:24 One it's hard to reach, and two it points up to the sky, so satellites or any technologies that are being in their locations, some of them have uh which everybody in this program's chipped, even the operators are all chipped. So just so everybody understands that some of them, Oh everybody correct, some of these guys are not. Some of these operators are not okay, but they were at one point. So, but I'm not going to go into detail about their situation, but that they have two different versions. They have a version that registers biological data, which tells them everything about your body, vital signs, everything.

2:22:05 Then they have another version which just specifically does location. So these people are basically like cattle. They're like livestock that are chipped, and that's how they see them. They call them pink assets because that's what they refer to as biological equipment. So these these people then are drugged. They take them up to a secured site in containers that I saw, by the way. That's how this gentleman reached out, because they used to move these containers around to areas of the world and scoop up these people.

2:22:45 So yes, this gentleman I've talked to has been a part of that, and a lot of them are. And they will take them to the site and they will have them make contact with extraterrestrials and they literally appear and they don't you know, they appear enough to where almost all of a sudden, they become like they build rapport with these beings. Right, But this organization off in the distance has their weapons systems ready to go. So it's not all the time that they make they make contact that they shoot them down, but they this one installation I went to, they literally shoot down e T craft two to three times a year and recover it.

2:23:28 I'm sorry, we're gonna have to. I know you've told me it that. It kind of just hit me a little bit harder here. Yeah, it's bullshit. It's these people are calling in so so again. And this is in the report where I talk about it. So you you you explained it really well. So A by A controlling B and by B controlling C. Therefore a control C. It's a. So they're using these people as a bypass, and they're having them use protocols. Let's just say that their protocol similar. Diana Walsh Pasoka has talked about her her Space Force, a guy who's got a bunch of patents.

2:24:20 Uh, this guy Tyler, who does all these protocols right, and uh, it seems that in the Space program there are people who have been doing this for years. Uh. The symbologies there as well. And that's just a side thing. That's like again the evidence. But they're calling in these crafts with some sort of protocols and then let me, I'm gonna interdact you real quick. This is also going to blow your mind. Where do you guys think praying ultimately came from? Oh? God, just think about that. So this goes back a long time.

2:24:58 This is where a rich or of communicating with a supreme being. Hence, these ets are very supreme to us. We're just humans and these are so you know, they they these operators obviously are dumb enough to not you know, they can't communicate. All they know how to do is destroy. And you know, these these P three assets also help revernge engineer because they understand the technologies. They can interface with it. They can plug and play if you will. They have a machine that hooks to them. Now, the machine that these operators used to hook to the psionic person at the time when this was going on, as far as the imperfect systems that they were utilizing to do this, the best case scenario would happen is that this P three asset would go into a coma.

2:25:48 Worst cases, they would die. Now they have obviously up the game with this because obviously going to other places in the world and scooping people up costs a lot of money. It also exposes you because you get spotted by you know, five dumb or six dumb marines by the way, yeah right, just some reference and it costs a lot of time to do that. So they perfected the system enough to where one they are trying to accommodate the P three is more often with keeping them alive, which is great, still frustrates and angers the shit out of me because these are just innocent people that literally had no idea what they're getting into, and then all of a sudden they're doing this.

2:26:33 They're literally you know, and these guys are being misled, they're being lied to. So I have no you know, I have sympathy for the P three assets and these people that are trapped. Yeah, I sympathy for these barbaric assholes who think that this is okay Morally, They have lost that literally punish people for murdering another human. They have no loss to sit there and punish people for murdering ets, which I mean, they're otter versions of us. And in a way, when we're gonna do are there there? There are there?

2:27:06 There are so many implications not only are you calling craft, so if what and we know, like you know C five artocols, Uh, lots of people have success with this. It's not I mean, this is not and and I mean there's a lot more evidence coming out to suggest this. I know people who can do this, and and you know they've they've sent me pictures of stuff that they've they've done C fives with and you know they're credible people. I'll just say, yeah, and you know, what if what if? What if these dumb operators trigger now I mean, I hate to go worst case scenario, but what if they piss off the wrong Yeah, it's wrong civilization.

2:27:54 On the other end of that, are you talking about them? It's not for civilization which essentially punishes all of mankind by destroying us when it's a small group of people doing it, and not all the rest of mankind who doesn't even have any knowledge of its existence that is doing this. Yeah, we all, we all have to pay the price because of these greedy ask people. Yes, that's how, that's how. That's the reality of it, you know. So it's

2:28:24 I've never met ets. Okay, I've never seen an et. I can't tell you anything about a et. But what I will tell you is that I'm pretty sure we have never came across all of them. So if we happen to come across a species that's not a fan of us and may have the capability, which all of them have, the capability to destroy us with the brink of a thought. But what's to stop this particular race to say, you know what, you guys attacked me, then I'm going to end you. I don't I'm them fulfiling that way. But guess what, I don't want to pay for these guys' mistakes because they want to do this, you know.

2:29:01 So, And the good thing is is at least to these guys, and the good guys in this group know that it's wrong and they were misused, they were like to and they're paid a lot of money, you know. So it's one of those things that yes, I understand in their hearts that this is wrong. I understand that they have a lifestyle that they you know, these these operators, at least these good guys that I've talked to on a regular basis that I share me information that you know. As far as the P three aspect, I will get to meet.

2:29:31 It was supposed to be late last year was when I was supposed to meet up with one of them, with a group of us and watch this go down and record it, by the way, with iPhones with night scopes attacking them. Because iPhones you can detect if data has been manipulated by CGI or anything that basically would try to falsify a video to say that it's legitimate. Right, So this phone is a very great that's what they're going to use. So when it gets nice out, So what you're saying is evidence is going to come out of this now.

2:30:06 The thing that that that bothers me about it because CGI is I mean, CGI and AI are are amazing. I mean, what people can do with these these days is just mind blowing. What my fear with this because this should have been released a long time ago in my opinion, because who's to say that people are going to criticize it? And you know, this is actual proof of P three in action summoning craft. But then all of a sudden you have AI that can do the same thing. So did you see that? Did you see that thing they just launched?

2:30:41 No, I didn't open AI just launched. It's a video. It's video now. And they they put up this video of like dogs playing in the snow, and it was I mean, Mike, you can't tell the difference, right, that's scary, And I am I'm afraid that this is going to be a little too little, too late. Correct. And that's what I was saying to these guys too, because the only way that we could really avoid it that kind of skepticism is to literally have a scientist on camera analyze our data, right and provide to the people on camera, like showing how everything works.

2:31:22 With this that is in fact a real video and not CGI, not AI, nothing, you know, So that way it can provide for some proof. But you know, I agree with people, I think your credibility enough, I think. And that's where and that's what pisses me off is I think you should be the credibility. I think if we can put someone in jail or eyewitness testimony in this day and age that you or anyone else that could say this is the real video, and then after it you know, gets over it gets seen by you know, the analysts and is determined to be real.

2:32:07 There we go like why do we need this? Why do we need to go further than that this for this could possibly force the hand? It could And that's why, you know, this whole movement is like playing four dimensional chess. It's very hard, you know. So it's one of those things that you know, you have to kind of think about the negative in order to have a plan and reinforce the positive so that way it can come out in a way that would be beneficial and not something that can be completely discredited. Now, the thing that we also have to take a consideration is this organization if they have to ask us to do so, and they've done this all the time.

2:32:46 Is they can fabricate evidence against you. They've done this throughout history. I know if some murders that these guys are responsible for, that they fabricated evidence to basically hide their involvement. And I'm talking about key people. I'm talking about prominant people. I'm talking about certain people even in d C. So this group, like I said, if that's the point where this happens, they can do whatever they want. It's like I said, it's four dimensional chess. So essentially, you know, but everybody has to and you know, I admit this one hundred percent.

2:33:19 Disclosure is not about testimony. Disclosure is about evidence. My story in itself is not evidence my findings in itself because I can't physically show it because I don't want to. I could show people certain things that could lead them to things of finding the truth, but I can't sit there and do that because then I put these people at risk. But disclosure is one hundred percent about evidence, and that's what makes it difficult to do. And I understand the hill that I have to climb to do this, But disclosure is one hundred percent about evidence.

2:33:55 It's not about necessarily truth, you know, and everybody you know, like the way that they do advertise me for my businesses or whatnot. People buy with their eyes, Okay, people are the same way when it comes to evidence and having to see things to believe it. Now, I will tell you, in an aspect of getting rich, you need to believe it first and then you'll see it, instead of trying to see it first and then you'll believe it. It's the same concept. You need to learn how to wire your brain in that capacity, because I promise you this world will open up to you.

2:34:26 You know, you have to believe it first and then you'll see it, you know. So me, I don't like being in the position I amant where I have to take people's words and that there's things that I've seen that I can't talk about unfortunately. But there will be a point here soon where I can talk about certain things freely and may be able to provide the evidence if the time is right, If things certain precautions are put in position that would allow me to do so. On the behalf of these guys, because I'm the I'm literally the face for this organization at least these good guys, right right the face of the bad part, very concern fuck them as far concerned because what they're doing is it's just it's heinous, it's just it's completely issues.

2:35:14 Sarah does bring up a good point though, and she says, wouldn't they be watching right now or watching what you're doing? They are? There are one hundred percent this Like I said, this is four dimensional chess. I've got things in position that are keeping me safe. They're keeping me to do this now. I can't guarantee you that I'm going to be alive tomorrow or the next day, but I will promise you that I will do this one day at a time. That's all I can guarantee. I'm not rulling it, guys, I'm not ruling it out.

2:35:47 And it sucks to be in this fucking position. It really does. It really one percent does. And that's why I tell a lot of interviews I've done. That's why I said, if I if I end up dead, I didn't kill myself. I'm mentally I like life is great right now as far as business and everything like that. Like like I'm in a really hard sound mind, what I mean, So if something happens, it's not by my own doing. I'm just gonna say that, so it's not off the table by any means. And it sucks to say that. I know, like my I've told my dad that before and obviously he doesn't like hearing that, but especially with my wife.

2:36:21 But that's just reality it is. So maybe maybe you can't wait. I can't wait for the day that you know because I I know that again, your your background, those that help you you will help them. So when you have that evidence, I know that you'll be back and you'll be willing to share it. Well, well, I will be willing to share it when they tell me that the time is working to do that and the reason and the reason being is because there will be things in place to help me do that. Yes, there's things that have to happen before, which I know very well what they have to do.

2:37:01 I'm not going to speak about it publicly. I know a lot more than what I can say. Unfortunately, I know. It's one of those moments, right. I hate it when you know, like you know, for example, if other whistleblowers are talking like man, come on, just fucking say it. But then you're like, oh, wait, okay, I'm in the same shoes. So yeah, I understand. So I'm like, okay, I got to kind of combat. I want to get your your your take on something, because if Grush is talking about a packed or an agreement that has been made with some non human intelligence and by all means you think he's a credible guy, what he's talking about, fact, he's credible.

2:37:55 And like I said, there's things I know that him and I have discussed that I'm not going to go into that is but yeah, he's one hundred percent legit guys, and it's scary. Well how does that play in? So I'm going to tell you something and I'm not afraid to say this. I don't know. I wasn't there when I'm actually happy he said that. I don't. Well, I don't because it's the truth. I don't know. You know. The kind it's not really frustrating. People need to understand is that I don't have the question.

2:38:26 I don't have the answers for everything in this UFO world. The only thing I'm the only thing I'm an expert in is the situation I was in, and then even the information I'm being provided, I'm not an expert in that. Because that's something that I cannot publicly share fully one hundred percent until I can provide the evidence to support that. And even then I'm not in the program. I don't have access to it at any point that I wish to go do things and see for myself. It's only on these guys terms, and it's only when things are safe enough to do so.

2:38:59 So I'm only an expert when it comes to my testimony, and that's it. I don't know what happened in nineteen thirty three or nineteen forty seven or before. I can tell you what I've heard, okay, And what I have heard is through other sources about that agreement that yes, in fact, it was legit. And as a matter of fact, I heard where the meeting spot of that happened, and it's in somewhere in the area near to where this installation was just so you know, within about one thousand miles. Okay, I'm just gonna you know, I'm just gonna say that.

2:39:39 But you know, but if these people that I know that are credible or saying that that's legitimate, and these same sources confirmed to me about Jonathan Wagan's event that he was in in nineteen ninety seven with that crash retrieval on Peru was one hundred percent legit. And I told I talked to Jonathan on a regular basis, guys, he's uh, he is somebody that he went to Hell. He got arrows even from the same uh as the Marine Corps, you know, from other marines or trashing him to And the fact is is, you know, even his guys won't even come back them up.

2:40:20 And I understand that. I understand why. I mean, I know what my guys won't either. I get it. I I one hundred percent understand, and I'm hated for it. And unfortunately, that's just how it is. And I've got to play my cards as do. That's the that's what I get to endure by making the decision I made. But I was trying to ask Ruth the truth come out, and it did. I was going to ask that, and I know that I know the answer. Unfortunately, because we've already talked about it for the audience. What are the chances one of your marines has a change of heart.

2:40:58 They got too much to lose. They got kids, they got families, they got careers. They may they if they're on their deathbed and they may say that it was it was legitimate. That might be the only part, but until then, I don't My personal opinion is I don't think they will. If that was the case, I think that I could have gotten a couple of them because I talked to I talked to two of them. I used to anyway, almost every day, and after I came forward, that was one. Basically, it seems like, yeah, they were mad.

2:41:29 They told me they were pissed off, and I don't blame there's other people trying to find out who they are. I'm not giving their names up because I'm not. I'm not. No, I'm not going to have them go through the same ship that I'm going through. No, if I was you you know. So here's the thing, you know, I understand why people don't come forward. I get it. And you know what, if you're in a position where you got information and you think that you want to come forward, I'm going to tell you come forward on the back end, but don't go public unless it's something that needs to really, really really be public, because you're going to face how like we all have.

2:42:05 It's not fun. It's not a fun place to be. It is really not an enjoyable place to be. And that's why I don't talk about my my my main business, because I don't want people call out my locations and trying to figure out where I'm at, try to get interviews, or try to harass my staff, or try to show up into my locations trying to talk to me, or you know, most of my employees don't even know what I'm doing, right, and I don't, you know, I don't you know, they can believe in know what they want. But at the same time, business is business, and that's how I see it.

2:42:35 That's what's going to stay there. I don't want this getting rough in touch with my business. Yes, this is for it, so you know, but I understand one hundred percent why they don't want to come forward, and they shouldn't. They really shouldn't until there was some safety in place, real safety, I mean where their careers aren't going to be tarnished, or where their families are not going to be harmed. I don't have kids. I don't know wife that I care for obviously, you know Dad, my immediate family and that respect, yes I do, but you know, when it comes to kids, that's a little bit different, right, Yeah, as a parent, you it makes sense why.

2:43:15 I guess if I had children, I probably wouldn't have not came forward. Just so you're aware, I wouldn't have not ever come forward if I had kids. Yeah, and it makes sense. You protect them at aal costs, at all costs. That's your job as a parent is to protect them at all costs. And you are I mean, I do you know in our conversations, man, you know, I worry about your safety and I don't want to say that to like, you know, scare you or anything, But then I worry about the safety of David Grush as well, right, the same reason.

2:43:47 But you guys have you know, made yourself public enough where if something happened there there'd be far too many questions. And that's exactly me. Yeah, I want to make us into a martyr essentially over this, which is the other thing. And I would. I would, literally I wouldn't stop until I figured it out. There's a lot of people, even in the government that are in the same boat. So trust you. Oh yeah, Okay, I'm not going to go into detail. I'm not going to unravel the plan so to speak, but you know, I do have contingencies I got some good people looking out for me.

2:44:25 I've got measures on my own that you know, probably spend a little bit too much money on. But you know, my safety is important for myself. You know, I have a business to run if employees that rely on me, and that's my focus, and that's what I strive to do every day. You know, I work for them, I work for my customers, and that's the only reason why I'm successful, so you know. So you know, these operators also have children, by the way, too, and that puts them in a tough spot because these siccos would kill their own.

2:44:59 Some of these insiders had told me flat out that they could literally lie on the ground bleeding there and that these other guys would just step over their corpse as they're bleeding out, not render it or nothing. You know. So it's one of those things that it's disheartening to hear that. But what I'm hearing more and when I'm tracking more, is the fact that there's a lot more good people in this group. So ultimately what needs to happen is that they need to flip the script and Frank, you need to do it soon now, mind you you know, they're doing their own method of disclosure to an extent, which is safer because they are first hand with the stuff.

2:45:36 Like the installation I went to, they could literally blow this whole thing open if you were to take a group of people there and every Yeah, all the doors were unlocked and you know, at free roam of that base, for example. Yeah, everything that people think is at a base like that is there. And they could if you get Congress or even you know, congress Member Check to go in there and he was to see that, and he'd be like, yeah, okay, okay, now that makes sense, and they would see everything. And trust me, you guys, we are working on it.

2:46:09 We were not not that level yet, not getting him in these areas because that's suicide. Because but that's the road that disclosure has to take, is what you said, is these guys need to flip the script. They need to basically because you don't want to call it committing treason because it's not. The trees is the treason. His act is the one that's being done, the stealing your guys' tax payer money. Yeah, literally exactly. And and again they are attacking, attacking, and and they are they are calling beings from the sky who could help us, who could teach us, and instead they shoot them down and they retrieve their asset, right their toy at the end of the day that they can tinker with and try to steal the technology.

2:47:20 So instead of asking nicely, it's the human way, it's the forceful. Well it is, it's no different. This is how I see it. It's like me driving one of my cars because I have nice cars. That's my thing. I'm a gearhead. That's honestly why I like business is because I can buy cars, you know what I mean, and I go through I literally only hold on to a car for about a year before I sell it and try to flip it. But these ones that I got, now, I don't think I'm gonna do that because nobody else has at least a couple of them.

2:47:46 So I just like having stuff that's very unique. So it'd be no different from me driving into a poor part of town and somebody sticking a glock in my head and pulling the trigger and taking my car. That's really how I see it, because it's literally what it is. All the only differences is you're using somebody else to flag that person down, such as okay, go ahead, and stand in front of that car so they can stop, and then I'm going to come from the side and shoot them and then pull them out of the car and We're going to go for a drawing ride.

2:48:12 That's literally how I see the same operation. So I don't see it any different. So you know the problem with this though, too, is I don't I don't get into much of the drama with this community, with with the UFO community or any other community for that matter. Frankly, the UFO community hates me because I don't talk about being an alien contact you or an abductee and talking about the ETS and all that kind of stuff, you know, So I don't care what they think. Yeah, you don't really get into Like the I reached out to move on, I got zero back because I don't want to listen to, you know, somebody who can tell them this difference between ET craft and actual rehearse engineer because I've seen one, you know, right.

2:48:53 That's what I want to talk to you about, is so you when you describe the craft you described it is having this low Because I was gonna say, you know, for people who are who who have seen UFOs, do you think that that low electrical hum and the paneling and just the way it was shaped kind of gave it away as human back engineered. Yeah, because it looked manufactured right, And the ET craft that we often hear, they're usually like molds, like everything is one right, So there's any indication that was manufacturer.

2:49:34 Now, some of these insiders who have done these crash retrievals from shooting these ones down, that's what they talked about them looking like was completely seamless and they just fall out the sky when they get hit with an e MP. Now, the scary thing I will tell people that I found out was some of these people that do these crash operations, when they do get to the craft, sometimes they get zapped by the craft with a beam of some sort. They can't see it, but sometimes it's fatal. Sometimes it just knocks them on their ass.

2:50:07 But that has happened. So if anybody they just take the they're like, well, they don't even know what happens until that actually happens, you know. So it's like a smart Now, So anybody says that like, oh, well, ET's don't harm humans, what is that that's a defensive measure? I would say, I don't blame them for being defensive. I mean, ship, that's that's so, that was just you just made me a brick falling out of the sky. I'm gonna protect myself, correct, you know. So it's one of those things too, because you know, there's other whistleblowers.

2:50:44 I'm not gonna mention names, but there's other people I know in this in the inside of these programs. I've talked about that, and they've never talked before until that happens. So hearing their testimonies and everything like that is like, Okay, now the commonality is set. And if I'm hearing it from the people that are literally doing this in and day out when they actually do these crash retrievals of these non human intelligence and they're saying the same thing. And obviously what they're saying is true.

2:51:07 These guys are not bullshitters. That's not how they play. These guys want this to come out. They want to do it safely, and that's why they're kind of giving me an ivy drip of knowledge with this too slowly to get me to basically understand what it is first and then put it out to the public and kind of get people to understand it, so, you know, I think it's heinous. I don't agree with it, but you know, if they're going to defend themselves, are going to defend themselves, and they have every right to do so.

2:51:34 So, you know, but they've talked about the craft being seamless. Do you think that that's what stops this school in some way? Like? Do you think that's what stops a non human intelligence initiating contact with us on a global scale? Okay, let me ask you a question. If you're walking through a neighborhood and you were with a group of your friends, and your group of your friends has got their asses kicked really bad, you were able to get away, would you want to go back to that neighborhood again?

2:52:05 No, of course you do. I blame them to feel the same way, No, right, I don't think. You know, the problem is is that they know that we're not all like that. That's why they're still around. That's why they make contact with people who'd make contact with them in a good way, now, you know. But you know the problem is is that everybody's like wanting this to come out and come out so fast and so fast. I agree with that, but what everybody's not thinking about is what to do when it does. Who's going to manage the programs, who's going to manage the craft, who's going to do all the protocols and everything like that.

2:52:45 That that really these other programs are doing, which are successfully doing it. So let's say if you were to take it out of the hands of these guys and then all of a sudden the government doesn't know how to do anything with it, then it just sits there. There's no actual research being done. I doubt these guys aren't going to top unless they're bribed to say, hey, you're not going to be executed or you're going to go to prison, you know, for treason or whatnot. But the instance with that, it's kind of concerning because then you're like, okay, well, then does it go back to these aerospace programs and then all of a sudden they start throwing money at politicians again and then basically sweeping everything under the rug.

2:53:23 This, Yeah, this happened before, guys. This this happened in the forties with craft. The government didn't know anything to do with it, so they put it to these aerospace companies, and aerospace companies basically told them, hey, we can't craft the code. We can't do anything, even though they did, and they lied to the government, and the government's like, okay, we'll take your work for it. Don't invest the reason why we have that problem. And that's why, that is why the military industrial complex was birthed.

2:53:55 And and

2:53:58 when Eisenhower was on his way out warned us that he by the time he got there, had lost either it was in his terms or somewhere right before it, that control had been lost, at least from the president's per the president perspective. Let me explain how this happens. So in nineteen forty seven, President Truman at the time, Now I'm going to play some numbers here because I didn't know this until one of these insiders actually told me this. So Harry Truman was a thirty third degree Mason. He was also a thirty third president.

2:54:40 Theodore Roosevelt was a thirty second degree and he was also the thirty second president. Now I'm going to give you guys a hint. Anybody who's kind of pushing a globalist agenda, such as Truman, such as any president for that matter. You look at presidents who try to push the globalist aspect of us having to be intervened in everything in the world. That's one of the biggest indicators. Okay, So Truman signed an executive order basically allowing the CIA and the Air Force and this Black Organization to be created.

2:55:11 This Black Organization was created solely for the purpose of crash retrievals, for researching and engineering anything to do with these craft, even with the biologics. All right. So they had that conventional government or blue team that would basically be you know, the regular military we see including special operations, to just basically do what they're going to do. They concentrate on their professions. They have this black Organization which was created by an Air Force higher up, by the way,

2:55:46 So that should tell people that that intertwins. That's what everyone's always so curious. Why is the Air Force so silent because they know, I mean, not everybody. I mean, granted, that's like you know, I know how that goes, you know, but the Air Force is the main perpetator in this whole thing. Yeah, but not everybody in the Air Force obviously. No. Yeah, and again I think most people do a folk community know that, or at least I hope they know this. Like when we talk about the CIA. Not everyone in the CIA is a bad dude, bad guy.

2:56:23 Most of them are just wanting their pension and to go home at night. That's true, That's one hundred percent truth. And that's why it's a compartmentalization, all right, because it's only on a basis of who they can trust and who can be read into it and who can honestly either go with the deception. And that's really what it boils down to. If you literally can go against the constitution of the United States of America, then you have a job on this organization's team. That's literally how they operate.

2:56:52 If you're for killing innocent people, silencing people, using threats, intimidation, you're fine with all that kind of stuff, then you have a spot. But you have to go through the ranks, and you have to go through the screening processes, and you have to join the military. So you have to be a psychopath. Yeah, you have to be a fool fledge psychopath. Man, you have to be a stistic correct psychopath. So since that was created, basically you had what was called changing in the guard. Obviously everybody knows that, you know, you have certain terms within a presidency or from somebody running for Congress or Senate right their time comes to an end.

2:57:30 And also because from the forties up until this point, a lot of people who are aware of this group at that time have obviously passed on, So the knowledge of this organization started dwindling down to nothing. But you you know, so you had a president that knew about it, which was Clinton, and he was waved off of it, but he knew for a fact this black organization existed. So it's alarming because you have people that people think is the most power person in the world to an extent, when it's really reality, they're just a figurehead and political interests are the one that control their their motives, you know.

2:58:08 And this is the other and subtly thing I found out about Congress and the Senate and a bunch of other people. They have what's called a uniparty, and all they care about is seeing green. All they care about is money. They don't care about doing anything right for you and I as American citizens. They don't care about any of that. They just like the quote unquote power, even though they don't have power. It's just an illusion, is there. They have handlers, they have people throwing the money. I mean, that's control right there.

2:58:37 That's corruption and a fact. Right. So when you see when you see when you see these politicians trying to go and try to impeach people like a president. M

2:58:50 why do you never hear about it again? Because they don't have any power.

2:58:56 The power is the ones throwing the money out them controlling them. Two has the fucking power. That's all this game is this, This whole thing in DC's a dog and pony show to an extent. You got good people who are trapped in the system, who literally went into wanting to do the right thing, and now they're segmented into their own group. They're kicked out of the party, so to speak. Right, so now they are these little outlayers of politicians who want to do the right thing. But then you have this big group of people who just care about money.

2:59:23 That's really what it is. So they're constantly fighting each other in that understanding. So I get where congressmanber Check's coming from, you know, and among others. So I mean it's no secret, like look at these people like Nancy Peluci and Mitch McConnell. Who their salaries are, you know, I mean, they're they're pretty hefty, but they're not. They're worth almost one thousand percent more than their salary equates for. And that's because of insider trading and using you know, the their positions of power to under bet against the system and for this against companies.

3:00:09 And you know it's it's it's criminal. Well it is. But here's the here's the alarming people, or here's the alarming thing. Why are people still voting for them? That's why? Why can't people use their brains? Your vote does something I'm not confident about nowadays. But if that is really the case, and that still does fucking use your head actually looking to who you're voting for. Who gives a shit if they say mean tweets or or something stupid. Who cares? Everybody says stupid shit. I say stupid shit all the time.

3:00:42 That doesn't mean that, Okay, you know, if they're actually for you and trying to help you, trying to help us in this situation, then that's what. It shouldn't matter at the end of the day, not what you feel. This person made me feel upset, and there's a lot of people are gonna make you feel upset. Does that mean you should stop I mean, you just stop using your brain. No, it's not how it works. The problem is is now. I mean the system in ered itself that way too. That's why there's so much division in this country.

3:01:09 You know. I saw my grandfather to day and the way that he was talking about his military experience and how everything that was just I mean, I grew up in the wrong time. I wish I could during his time. I feel like some days I was born a few thousand years too late. Yeah, I don't, I don't think that, but you know, it's one of those things that it's like, I've never seen so much division on stuff, and it's stuff that doesn't even realistically matter. It really doesn't matter. What you do with yourself is with yourself by all means, you feel good doing it, and do it as long as it's not harming anybody, you're not scamming people, and you know it falls into something that's ethically right for yourself by all means, handle your life.

3:01:50 It's your life. It's not anything for me to say how you're to run your life. I can only give you advice. I want everybody to be successful. I want everybody to be rich. I want everybody to have that luxury, because in my personal opinion, money's not the root of all evil. It's the person that gets the money and you figure out what they do with it. Yeah, so I would say, so, if you're going to go into an aspect of looking at the money, you already have desperate people that are known to be desperate.

3:02:22 And most of the time, people in Washington, d C. Are that trait. People in corporate positions, for example, are in that trait all they see. I mean, I'm in that trait too. But the difference is is I know, the difference between morality and cour Yeah, you have morals, you know, moral compass. I can ask. The reason why is because I would ask myself and I very respect from my grandma who passed on a couple of years ago, but often I asked myself the question is what would you think if I was to do something?

3:02:55 Or what would you know? What would my father think? What would my wife? Actually? Yeah, you know, like like that's the thing that that kind of gets me to kind of like question if I should be doing something I shouldn't be doing and if it falls into any kind of principle like that, then yeah, I'll do it. I'll do something good with it. But if it's something along those lines, then you know, I I wish more people had kind of that mindset, because let's just say, and I've had the thought, I don't know how far this would ever go, but I've had the thought where maybe I could get in the politics, maybe i could run for Congress, but I know i'd be up an impossible battle because I'd be fighting people who are corrupt to the core, and I'd be trying to blow the lit off this issue too, and I'd be trying to do things for veterans, I'd be trying to do things for the American people.

3:03:45 I'd be trying to do things basically what every other politician would tell you to do, I would do. And it's hard. It's hard to separate myself from that because then all of a sudden you get looped into all, well, they said they're going to do this, and they do this, they won't do that. You know, a lot of these politicians are self funded too, which blows my mind a lot of my business owners and entrepreneurs, and then they get the bugger getting more money, and then all of a sudden they fall into that corrupt bubble.

3:04:08 Yeah, And honestly, it's it's it's like a vicious circle. It's it's and it just keeps churning out. People often wonder why why are the only two candidates or why are the people? Why are the why do we have the choices that we have for president? It's either Biden or it's Trump. They think that way, like, you know what I mean, why do you think it's only these people that are that are that want this job right? Because this it's it's it's not a lot of smart people want the job correct because they know it's it's just not every president looks like the age twenty years and they're four four years or eight years there they're basically they're NonStop.

3:05:03 They have to be. It takes a certain personality. That's why I think, my personal opinion, Trump was good for that. But this country has run off of a process like a business. And who would want you? I mean if I would, so people get so some people get very awe struck about Trump. The only thing I would pick his brain about his business, because the guy knows business. That's that's his background. Well, I would love to see what his mentality and his mindset and kind of like get into the nitty gritty of that.

3:05:32 I don't give a shit about politics, but what I will say is that I was disappointed to hear that if you want an endorsement from President Trump and you're a congressman or a senator, you know how much you have to pay him about a million dollars to get an endorsement. So does that need better than people he's slamming to say they're corrupt? You guys are on the same boat. You guys are all trying like, well, you got all this money then where you're trying to run for office. I wouldn't I had billions of dollars, I wouldn't be a president.

3:06:05 No, I think I enjoying myself. That's exactly it. So you know you got And this is what I've been paying attention to do, is is like morals or like where people's mindsets are about stuff like that, and see where they're coming from and see what they're actually going to do. And can I say that he'd done a lot for the country in the past couple years, Yeah, he has. But there's a lot of good things that a lot of people do that are in positions of power that might not align with our personal views, you know, and and right, I mean I don't.

3:06:41 I don't agree with Tim Burchett on many issues, but exactly even with his version of disclosure, like the whole bill with that, I didn't agree with it because it's just it's two pages. It's not really thorough. You can't I mean even with Schumer's type of stuff. I mean, yeah, his was more thorough. But they tried to base stuff something that existed, and look how that went. Right. Are you talking about the Jeff Gay preview? Correct? So you know why you're going to based off something that failed.

3:07:15 I mean, isn't that like trying to construct a bridge that you know, taped in on itself killed a lot of people. But yeah, we're going to design the same bridge and try to use the same bridge for the same result. The definition insanity. So you have to think. I think Eminent Domain was reaching way too far to start. You know what it did, It was no gingius. Let me tell you why. Okay, because it got my interest because it exposed the people that were against it, and exposed whom with these programs, not nearly to an extent of like being inside these programs, but who are being paid by these these contracting companies and these groups, you know.

3:07:54 So it told us exactly who's on what side of the fence and correct and we already know now that who that is. We already have a Plan B in place, and a Plant C and a Plan D just in case, you know. So now we actually know because for you know, everybody thought that this was just gonna be one and done thing. Now that's not how this works. This is like tug war. So now that we know what we're up against, we know who we're up against. Now we're actually able to be surgical and actually do things that are actually going to get the result that we need.

3:08:27 So it was more of a way to put uh you know, it's like playing poker or something. You're putting your hand out there and seeing what, you know, who's got the bigger hand. Essentially, that's kind of what it was. We saw that they can't do a poker face because they have to react to obviously this measure. So now that they don't have a poker face, we know exactly what side of the fence they're on. So it was a great move and guess what we found out, So if they we can build on it too. We can't like you can, we can propose the thing every single year.

3:08:58 So everybody thinks that it was out of the works, and you know, we have our tails between our leaks. No, it was strategy, and it was meant for that reason. It wasn't actually such a good oh look well yeah, because that's what really happened. It wasn't literally to try to get disclosure to happen. It was trying to literally force the hand of them to see what side of the fence and who was going to oppose it, who wasn't. It was literally trying to see what door are we going to go through with this right that disclosure is immin in.

3:09:25 It's just which way, which path are we taking? Correct And we're going to use the government to do this or we're going to use other assets and it's going to probably do both. It probably may go into other assets I can't talk about, but needless to say, that was the whole point of that measurement. Wasn't really to be successful with disclosure, guys. And as far as I'm concerned, and everybody needs to understand, this disclosure already happened. It happened a long time ago, but everybody's too dense to see that.

3:09:50 Okay, I need something physical proof, well, physical proofs all around us. But if you're going home, you're going and working a job. Now. The only reason why I know so much I do is because now I'm in this, in this world. I'm now in this, in this in this uh this fight, so to speak. That's the only reason why I know as much as I do. But if I was going to work and it was coming home, I was watching television, I wasn't doing anything on this degree, I wasn't a whistleblower, then I wouldn't know anything.

3:10:17 I wouldn't be exposed to that. So you guys literally have to go do the research and literally look for yourselves, because we're not going to sit there and hand it to you. Guys. I don't know everything, so and I don't want to. I don't want to tell everybody something that they might not be true, right, you know, you know, And and so that's why I go off of the people that really armed me with the information. I can only go off of the experience I had in two thousand and nine. I only can I can tell you exactly what happened obviously, which is what I've been doing.

3:10:45 That's what I'm an expert at. But I do not take other people's word for it unless they can back it up in a sense and when it connects the dots or when people can show me things. And that's exactly what happens with these insiders. And that's why I said at the very beginning, careful what you wish for, because it really really really flips your world upside down. Especially I think I think you've said that to me. I mean, even in our private talks, be careful what you wish for, because you know, I mean, my truth is scarier than fiction.

3:11:16 Well, that's exactly it. And I hate the fact that like that I have to be quiet about certain things I really do. And I think I always I've said it in countless podcasts. I know that I always knew that we I mean, so we're going to have and now i'd like to get your take on this because of your views and how it's affected you, and because this whole thing is is I mean, your smack dab in the middle of exactly what what I'm talking about. We're going to have to meet the government or whoever is behind this halfway to a degree, there's got to be some any we can't go in.

3:12:01 That's a given, and that's what was something that was orchestrated. But the problem with that is the amnesty that they're giving them is not necessarily enough. Now, what I will tell you some of the insiders I've talked to and still talk to on a regular basis, is that they got families to take care of. That's what their priority. And unfortunately, it's not like they can just sit there and leave, leave this organization and retire and be like, Okay, you know, I don't have to talk about this. They're going to be surveilled, they're going to be threatened, they're going to be watched.

3:12:33 They're literally going to have a rough time trying to live outside of this. And there's a reason why a lot of these people are a lot older than I thought they were. They're not my age, they're a lot older, you know. So it's one of those things that it's like a gang that when you're in there, you're in there for almost your life and you can't separate because you have that risk of being compromised in that degree, and then all of a sudden, your family's going to have to pay for, so I understand one hundred percent why they choose not to, you know, but if you go to a point where they're taken care of, let's say they get into some sort of witness protection.

3:13:08 Now, mind you, the assets that this group has is beyond that. And that's why these people don't fall for the bait such as trying to come forward and go through the provisions and everything like that, because it's almost laughable. If you've got an organization that's more powerful, that has unlimited assets, that can pull money anywhere, there's nothing that's going to stop them. And again you said, I mean these these guys, this these we talk about these dumb operators. But there's a reason that this program, uh my Camra must have died.

3:13:41 There's a there's a reason there. This program still exists and it's still secret. They are good at what they fucking do, and they have their hands in media Hollywood, like Michael said earlier, they have their hands everywhere, and they know how to sow disinformation. Correct, they're masters of that. They master the dark world, they master secrecy. That's what they're very good at, and that's the that's exactly what they've been experts in now when it comes to light like the truth, they have a problem with that because obviously they master the dark.

3:14:19 You know. Even if you look at the Reconnaissance Office, which has a lot to do with this stuff. By the way, they have a slogan that says we own the night. Oh does that get correct? So, like early, it's eeriely correct. And there's a lot of people in NRO that are good people, you know, just like an organization, you know, but there's some parts of it that intersect into this and create it to be a problem like it is, you know. So yeah, it's it's so hopefully people listening to this interview kind of get to know me more on a personal level and understand that I'm just another per in this world.

3:15:00 Guys, I'm not. I don't think of myself anything special. I don't think I'm like this this person who's going to blow it all or you know, save humanity. I just think my part had a little bit to do and help connect the dots to an extent, and now that I've got a position where I'm meant to actually help and do this, that's all I'm trying to do. I don't I'll talk to people. I'll talk to anybody, you know, because I want people to learn. I want people to truth, you know, So I don't you know, there's other people who try to take this and try to say, oh, I'm too good for everybody, and you know, I don't.

3:15:31 I don't view myself as I think anybody in disclosure shouldn't have that mentality because all of us, you know, the problem is is you have certain people in this in this community, even among whistleblowers, who think that you know, it's going to take them running the ball to the end zone. It's taken all of us as a team of whistleblowers, as a team of people on this disclosure. I'm talking about Danny she And I'm talking about doctor grim I'm talking about Luel Zondo, David Grush. It's going to take every single one of us to do this.

3:16:04 And the only way we can do this is obviously bypassing the government and showing public disclosure first and not allowing the public to actually, excuse me, understand that, you know, if we bypassed the government, and maybe humanity, not even just Americans, but humanity can hold their public officials accountable for stuff they already know, and wouldn't that be a surprise, you know, a something common to unite the civilian world around. Right, it doesn't matter your race, creed, religion, or background.

3:16:47 It's something we're fighting for not only our origin story, but we're fighting for a sequel. Right, who gave the rights to the human of the of the human race to these people in power and that that that wielded well and have dick measuring contents. Like you said earlier, it's no, we need to take back what's ours well and that that's the only way that this is going to happen. Everybody has to be on deck with this. This can't just be us. It just can't be you know, a couple of us trying to do this, but they've kept they've kept even the UFO community factionalized.

3:17:29 You talked about how it all needs to be us running the ball into the end zone. You know, Luel Zondo and you know, to his credit, the guy, you know great whatever, you know, you get that background, got that background great. But him and Career point the finger at each other all the time, calling each other charlatans and it's like they both have the same lawyer. It's like, can't we all get on the same team for once, like all the factionalism is what keeps us well. That's exactly why I get frustrated with it, because here's a problem.

3:18:06 How are we any better than them if we're literally doing the same shit. Now, I you know, I'm not going to cast shade on doctor Greer or nothing. I think it's a great guy. He treats me with nothing but respect. You know, he's nice to me. He's literally a good guy to me. And that's all I can go off of. Right. How he does his business. I know he does real estate, he does other things that he gets his money and makes his livelihood. Guys, he doesn't get it from doing these events. Now, I will say that it helps fund what he's trying to do, because it takes a lot of money to actually put things in the motion and to talk to people.

3:18:39 People just don't are not willing to talk to you all the time, you know. And I can't say it's the same thing for us, But I'm talking about the people that were associates with Yes, you know, so you you have to buy people's time and that world. Yes, at that level, yes, So, I mean that's what he does it's networking too. But the issue is is I just don't know understand the drama. I get that people pointed their fingers to each other, but it's like, why if we're all trying to do the same thing here and we're trying to you know, everybody's going to make a living.

3:19:09 Everybody chooses to make a living in a different way. I get that. So I just I just wish that the animosity between everybody could just literally end itself and be like, Okay, we're on the same plans. How about we just agree to disagree and just move forward. That's what I wish that they could say, yeah, agree to disagree, but let's move forward. Have conversations like adults. Uh. That's why I've you know, I've had guys like Jeremy McGowan, Mike West, I've had them on the show. We need to have conversations with people we don't always agree with.

3:19:46 I mean, it's what It's what allows us to to move forward and challenge even you know, challenge our own belief system. And you know, maybe we don't have it all right, We don't, I know for that, we don't, So I mean, we can barely figure out stuff to even have our economy run smooth and without corruption everything like that. Who are we to say that we're experts and stuff like this. Who's to say that we can't manage this appropriately? I don't think we can't. I and it might be my skewed view to say that.

3:20:18 You know, I just see things that way that we need government. Yeah, we need struggle, need that. But what I'm saying is is I don't think that the ways that they're thinking it should be done should be done. I think there's different measures that need to happen. I think full transparency of it, because you're talking about your tax dollars, my you know, like if you're an investor into the stock market, you have a right to see where your funds are going. Right, you see what it does, you see how it multiplier, you lose it.

3:20:51 I think the same thing should be like, Okay, well if you paid this much in tax as, this is where your money's going. I think it should be transparent a hundred percent because if you understand that you fund the government, you know, I'm just going to lose me. I'm going to say this. There is no law that requires you to file fucking filer taxes every year. Now is a business owner, it's a lot different. Obviously, there's things that I agree to a business that I can't use that right. But if you're knowingly funding a terrorist organization, for example, you can get a lot of trouble for that.

3:21:26 Yes, So why is it okay for American citizens to have their money stolen from them and used for other things instead of actually making our country better and giving us better stuff? We were so focused Now I will say that there's other politicians that have interests in other countries such as Ukraine, that have oil companies out there, that are using taxpayers money to put security measures out there and to keep their businesses of life so they can keep breaking in millions of dollars a year. I will say that that's happened, you know.

3:22:01 So there's a lot agreed in this, and I will say the best thing I can tell people is follow the money. Follow the money. Trilling you always, but it's an actual truth and it needs to be done and people need to realize that. Yes, if they're following the money, they're going to find out everything that they need to. You're going to find out who's corrupt, You're going to find out who's not. You're going to find out what the intention of that is, you know, So I encourage people to do research. That's yeah, And I'll give you a couple of key, key places to look, right.

3:22:37 So we're going to key places to look you know, places like Lockheed Martin, right, places like Northrop Grumman, these places that clearly have a vested interest in keeping this silence and funding politicians in order to keep that circle silent. So yeah, follow the money, follow the follow the funding, follow the follow it all and you will find out, uh, some some some dark truth about our system. And I think of our founding fathers. You bring up free masonry. I think if they could see what the country turned into after what they designed it to be was something that adapts to the time instead of stays stuck in its ways, right right, I think they'd be rolling over right, and they would.

3:23:36 But you know, the interesting thing is I found out one of these companies is actually trying to sell off their NH high assets to another company. That's it's a shell game right now too. Well, I I can't imagine here here was another thing that was brought up and this also couldn't I mean let's just say you're guilty minded for saying this. And I'm talking about these aerospace company. I'm not going to say the name of it, but

3:24:01 they had literally said, why is it any of the government's business of what we have? Huh, you know what? And how can they take what we have? Well, the problem, assholes, is you're using taxpayers money

3:24:15 to use that to literally engineer this stuff. That's what you're doing. You're trying to say that something costs a couple of billion dollars when it doesn't, and you're using the rest of money and literally ciphering it out of black budget. I know that happens for a fact, because they told me in detail how they do that. Yeah, so Burchette says it. You know, you know, with the Pentagon hasn't passed an audit since the invention of the Pentagon and audence. And it's like, you know, if you go deep digging into it, you see they're charging one thousand dollars for a screw.

3:24:48 Yeah, you know, and you're like, wait a second, that doesn't make sense. Yeah, that's exactly it. You know, so you look at it in that sense, and you know, so for them to say something like that it's like, Okay, you guys definitely hit the nail on the head saying that you have the stuff. You're not just going to say that. Nobody'd be like, okay, we're not going to say anything, because that's the best thing is using your Fifth Amendment right so to speak. Right, So for them to go for that measure and say, well, why is it right, Well, guess what, you're using taxpayers money.

3:25:18 That's not where the government contracts. So that's why it's theirs, because you're contracting for the government, that's what you're doing. You're not doing it for your own accord now, and they're doing it for their ow courd now. But they're doing it on the back end that the government doesn't know about. And that's where we get into this whole mess that we're into. Right So again, you know, because like people don't realize that the government doesn't actually do anything like they do. It's a system.

3:25:43 Though the government doesn't make its own computers, the government doesn't make its own software. The government doesn't do that. They put contracts out companies bid on them. And this is the military and austrial complex. That's how it works. Right in the secret world too. That's why Lockey's able to get read in on these deep block programs and have the technology that they have. But to bring it to the investor's perspective, does the investor have the right to know that they have these secret assets if it's your taxpayer's money, I think you should exactly.

3:26:23 I think one hundred percent, because, like I said, it's your money that's being taken from you, and if they're using it in illegal means, I wouldn't. I mean, it's like finding out that you're donating twenty dollars a month to have somebody execute it in a third example, and you had no idea, no idea, and you're like, oh God, like I'm going to keep from giving money to this because they tell me it's good, and then all of a sudden you find out it's used for some Barbara. That wouldn't make you feel good because then you feel like you're the cause when you're not the cause.

3:26:50 They're just using your money to do it, you know. So the government in a sense is a middleman to hand money from people to these companies to contract for them to build stuff that they need. Right, But then you have greedy people that obviously put things in perspective for themselves and they want you know, these these companies make money on their own behalf to they do it all the time. They also have spinoff patents that they've also put out too, and that's how they make a lot of money. So everything kind of gets intertwined with that.

3:27:20 So that's mainly the thing is that, you know, the whole thing with this amnesty, which I was agreeing to, was the fact that okay, it gives them a time frame to actually relinquish things before it ends up going to Plan B. So Plan B essentially would be the m in the domain. Now if they were to go to an installation and say, okay, but we're here to take a look at what you got, and all of a sudden we found the stuff there, then all of a sudden, this company is barred from contracting ever again. Right, they lose billions of dollars a year.

3:27:53 Right. So,

3:27:56 And it doesn't matter if you change your name like Raytheon did. It doesn't matter if you file under a different name and give ownership to somebody else, because that's going to follow suit. Everything always leads to patterns. That's what everything has to be recognized. Off of our patterns. Patterns are what you know. This is why detectives are good at their job because they analyze patterns of people. And if you're falling into a pattern of a suspect, you murdered somebody in a similar way that thousands of other people have done it, you're probably going to do the same thing they've done because you same thought traits.

3:28:32 You guys have the same personalities, whatever it is, so they're able to be accurate with that. Now, if we did the same thing with these programs or even these companies for the matter, and see what the patterns that they do off that and analyze them very deep, then you're going to see what they're going to be able to do. You're going to be able to circumvent problems that may occur based off of that information. Interesting. So again it's all about following the money it really is, and the contracts and falling up on you know.

3:29:01 So the government again, we're gonna have there's gonna have to be a halfway point that that's met, and ultimately I think we're going to see, like like you said, some mix of government disclosure civilian disclosure. I think that is going to be the most likely end goal or an endgame in scenario, I think the public needs to know first because and like my just like I said, my thinking with this is if the public knows about it first and everything's transparent, it allows us. Because the founding fathers who were Freemasons, most of them anyway are most of them were.

3:29:44 I love about being a part of this organization is the history of it, And you know, I feel like I get to share a part of that history. To an extent. That's kind of one thing that I like about it because I get to kind of be in the mix with that kind of being somebody who's doing a revolution against the secrecy of this to an extent. Right, it's just like they did a revolutionary war against the British trying to occupy us, and we fought them off and basically said, hey, we're our own country and we're going to have our own bylaws and laws and our own beliefs, and everybody's going to be able to come here and live the life as they should.

3:30:17 You know. So having that kind of mentality is like, Okay, now, I understand. So I think if we get the people as it was intended to when the government was first established and created that the people are the ones that basically oversee the government and we hold them accountable. And somewhere along the lines that got out of hand. I can't say exactly when. But then when you have the government as its own military force, and then you have people who bought the government, certain people anyway, and then they allow other things to happen, then guess what that means?

3:30:51 You lose control over it. So told us correct, lost control, lost control. So we as a peace people, and I mean as American citizens specifically with our government anyway, I think we need to be the ones that actually have this first, because if people have it first, they know it's true. And this is something that's blown out wide scale. You don't have the government trying to circumvent everything and trying to dismiss or trying to filter things to be said, because that's what they do. And guess what that means.

3:31:19 It means that, oh, okay, now all the cards are laid out on the table, So how are you going to read that? Then? How are you going to lie to cover it up? Again? You can? It shows, it will show there, It will force their their their hand and force their true colors to be shown again. It's it's it's similar to the get you know, showing your enemy or unveiling your enemies through that legislation in a kind of a weird way. But we are, we're approaching the three and a half probably three and a half hour mark, and uh, I hate to cut it off here.

3:31:59 I know we'll have plenty of more conversations. But or should for the time being?

3:32:09 Should should we be worried? Yes? And no. I think we should be worried on the fact that the people we trust to put position to handle this are not doing it. That's what we should be worried about, because, like I said, I mean if if votes count as they say that they do, and I'm not so confident that they do, because I know what corporate interests do. I know that a lot of people like to lie, cheat and they do it for money. M hm. We got to be careful who we put in and we got to hold people accountable.

3:32:45 And you know I'm not you know, I've heard Career say this all the time, that ge get a hold of your senators and congressmen and do all that. They're not going to do anything. They got more important shit to do in their world, you know, so this kind of gets through on the back end. So I wouldn't say be worried. Be worried in that aspect. I want to say in a negative sense, don't be worried, you know. I always say, keep up the support and keep following people like you know Tyler here, who you know.

3:33:10 They're about getting the truth out and putting understanding out to the public and getting some people to least kind of connect the dots, you know, So follow people like him. That's yeah. No, I really I really, really really really really appreciate that coming from you. But should you be worried about this program? Like so,

3:33:35 if it's if it's continuing, I assume it's ongoing right now as we speak. Let me let me put my mentality into it. I live right underneath of an airport, at least close to one am. I gonna do you think I go over every single day when I wake up or go to the bathroom, whatever it is. Oh, I got to worry about a plane falling out of sky, right, Okay, it's the same thing. If it happens, it happens. There's nothing you can do about it, right, I worried about it. Okay. What I will say is there are some there's some stuff going on in the background that is being handled, and it's being handled in a correct way.

3:34:15 It's slow, unfortunately, but things are in the works, and that's all I can say. And until I'm clear to talk about the remainder of it. And I really want to because I have a problem with bucket mouth and I just want to tell people everything. But and I know some of these guys are the same way too, so it's kind of hilarious where we kind of have to ourselves and be like, okay, all right, we're not going to say this, you know. So I just I just want people to know the truth, and I just I want the truth to be out, and I want people to stop losing their lives.

3:34:43 I want these good guys to get out of this organization, and I want humanity to involve in a way that is going to help us and help the planet and help our children of this planet as well. I don't have kids, but you know what, if I'm going through with this mote, this mission, then it means that I'm looking out for the betterment of humanity, and then I can I can live with that I can take the arrows at the same time. If that's my goal, I'm doing the right thing. Yeah, And you can leave the world a better place than you found it.

3:35:13 All of our goals, and it should be all of our goal. Whether you have kids or not is a different you know that, that's something entirely different. I think we should all strive to leave the planet a little bit better than we than we then we inherited it or got it, because you know, I mean here, at least for me, I mean, I'm I'm a believer in uh, the eternal. You know, the consciousness survives death, So I don't think it ends here. I don't. No, it doesn't. And a lot of these insiders used to think otherwise until they came in contact with this operation and it kind of thought them that there was an afterlife and and things like that, and that's what we have to unlock.

3:36:03 If we're just patient, let me be just patient. I'm gonna I'm gonna leave you off with this, all right. I imagine in a perfect world that if let's say, we had e T come down or Enchi come down, and they were to land on our planet somewhere, and the moment they do that. We are all as human beings, going to be wrong about everything. And I mean our history, I mean everything that made us, you know, as humans to begin with, is what we understand our world to be. We're going to be wrong about what we think about the Solar System, what we think about the universe.

3:36:41 We're going to be one hundred percent wrong. And you know, so that's a humbling factor in itself, because, like I said, we only know what we experience. Well, you know what we're told, We really know. That's that's the well, you know we're taught. You know, like I've never been to outer space. I don't wrote it, you know, like you know, and and and and I'm not gonna I'm not a flat Earth person, but like again, I can see how flat Earth people exist because like personally, I've never seen the Earth from outside, so I get it.

3:37:16 It's like what I get it. I've had people even ask the same question, like, Okay, well, you know, like I've never seen a UFO, so they don't exist. Okay, have you ever seen a Titanic in person that's sunk at the bottom of the ocean? Right, I saw pictures of it. Okay, you know what else? You see pictures of you, hm, things in the sky that don't fucking that that that are not identified, and that's that is that is that's that is important. Some people have never seen the Perma. Some people have never seen the Great Wall of China.

3:37:49 How do people know it exists? Well through other people. If you're not able to go there, you learn it through other people. You learn from people videotaping it. I mean, this is what kind of frustrates too because of the hoaxers, right, because there's some people do too good stuff with AI and CGI, and it's a mind blowing stuff. But that should be for entertainment in in movie making, for fucking's submitting legitimate because you want to say that you got something, come on. That doesn't help us by any means.

3:38:20 It just worsens our cause here it wors Is it for the public too, you know, because then the public has a hard time trying to believe it. I understand one hundred percent where they're coming from. I was in the same boat. I didn't believe it the shit. I ridiculed people who believed in it, said you're fucking crazy, you know. But then I had my experience and guess what, that completely flipped my world upside down in that regard. And you know, I'm not the only one that's ever happened to I know that there's other people that have it similar instances to say, Okay, my life changed, you know, at least in at least believing in this subject.

3:38:50 I call that the moment of conversion. It's it's when you when you go from either not knowing or straight up like you know, denying to like I'm sorry, from believing or denying to knowing. Right, It's like a moment of conversions, like oh shit, okay, that's real. Yeah wow. And unfortunately that's that's where a lot of people stand is like I said, they have to see it first and then they'll believe it, you know. And I understand where they're coming from. I'm not going to bash them to say that, but I'm saying that, I just want to get there at their own pace, in your own world, as far as what you're able in your capabilities.

3:39:33 Believe it first and then you'll see it. But everything else, yeah, be skeptical. There's people trying to make money on the subject, hand over fist, trying to get rich off this shit. I don't agree with it. I will never make money off this. I will make money doing the right thing. I've had people pay me for my time because I had to fly out of state to talk to people, and that was good because at least I said, well, okay, if I'm going to sacrifice the day at work, you know, so they understood that.

3:39:57 Ye. And I'm not talking about significant amount of money. Yeah, And that's how that's how it should be though. Yeah, and they covered you know, they paid your expenses. I'm grateful for that, but that doesn't give me money. It doesn't make me live a lavish lifestyle. Yeah. And like you know, Sean Ryan, the only thing he could do for us was accommodate our expenses as far as a hotel, and he reimbursed our plane tickets. That's it. I didn't want him pay for us. Yeah, you know, it's you know, yeah, yeah, you're you're you're Like you said earlier, your testimony is not for sale, but you will give it under circumstances.

3:40:35 I will. Those were the circumstances that that you agreed to, Yes, and I saw it. Because it's not meant to make money. I'm not going to have people monetize it and then try to legally bind me to a document that says I can't talk about it because they own the rights to it. That's how stupid this is. Well, that's that was my problem with Dody Rick Rick Dody is his whole story is owned by Gaya. So when I'm talking to him, like we can only go certain places because he has an NDA signed with Gaya, and it like it almost makes you second guess certain things, like again, I had a great conversation with him.

3:41:15 I really like, in my mind, something cool I do. Next month, I'm going to be shooting a couple episodes on Gaya, at least eight more, four of which are going to be with Duty. No fucking that's why you brought you up, yep, listen, So then let me let me make this. Like I told the producer of Gaya and a munch of other people, like you're not buying my story. You're not giving me money. I'm not I'm not taking money, you know. So so for them to you know, because I've had people try to say, oh, I want to write a book about you.

3:41:53 If I want to write a book, I will do it. Yes, that's your story to it and guess what I do, it will be something that guess what, pay for fucking shipping. I don't care as long as it gets from me to you cover that or if I really need it that bad, like I don't care, But I don't have a desire to write a book. I don't have it. Now if they make a movie when all this shit comes to fruition and all of a sudden, like they try to portray me as this character whatever it is, because they're going to do that, and they can legally do that, and they're like, try to go, well, you know, who, do you want to be in a movie?

3:42:24 No, I'm not going to be in a movie, but I will. I will do like I do with everybody else who tells my story that I want them to stick to the facts of what I present, don't blow anything up, don't over exaggerate it, because that's not the truth. The truth is what I have recounted and have told people. I don't over exaggerate it. I don't try to play it down. I can't just tell people what happens. And if they can do the same thing, and I've got complete respect for them, But if they tried to make it and hype it up more than what it is.

3:42:54 I'm sorry, but that's not how it works for me. And again, much respect, much respect, and and and I know that we we've talked about doing stuff, you know, outside of podcasting, and you've been the utmost and upfront about your your your thought process on this so I can attest to the fact that that is how you conduct yourself outside of an interview in life in general. But Mike, it's been such a good I mean, this is probably been one of my favorite podcasts I've ever done. I think I don't know why.

3:43:40 It's something. It's just I don't know you have you have a conviction about you. And because I'm just an I'm just another person. I'm just literally it. I've told more about myself in an interview on this pop platform compared to any other interviews. And the reason why is because I want people to be able to identify that, yes, I have strengths. Yes I've got a lot of fucking weaknesses too. I'm not a perfect person, you know. I want people to be able to relate to me in those aspects, to say, yes, I know where I come from, and I remember that every single day.

3:44:17 I remember that every single day, So I want people to be able to relate to me in that aspect. I don't think of myself as this person. It's this person that gets put in height, you know, all your famous and all this kind of stuff. I don't, I don't. I don't think of myself that way. I'm just trying to do the right thing, and unfortunately it's gotten the attention of a lot of good people and a lot of bad people, So, you know, and I can live with that. I've made the choices and I have to reap every what I sew, and unfortunately that's just how this is, and it's it's no other difference between making a choice and having the consequences or the advantages of that.

3:44:50 So you know, I you know, I like to talk to people at least that want to get more clarity about things because I think, like I said, humanity is entitled to this information and I am going to go as far as I humanly im possibly can go with this until I can't. And that's either that's either till they kill me because I say something I'm not supposed to, or us till I leave this earth on my own. A court such as living a good life and it's my time to go right. Much love, much love for that man, and you know we're definitely gonna have more discussions, and you know you're always welcome here all the anytime you want.

3:45:32 But for the most part, uh, you know, you don't have social media, you don't really engage on that kind of level. So you know, if people are inspired by you, what would you recommend they do get in touch with you, if they have anything intelligent to talk about, if they actually have, if they actually I don't want to sound rude to this, but you know how many people try to hit me up to about things I've already talked about. Are they're already in depth I'm talking about if it's something that's outside the box, or if something I could fill in a gap or or shed light on something.

3:46:12 Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm not opposed to that. But if anybody's gonna be negative or talk shit, and obviously I don't need to hear that, I don't care. They're gonna leave rent for them and they're they're gonna have me in their head the whole time, and guess what, that's more punishment for them enough. I don't care. I don't think about right, well, and I don't. I don't think about them when I'm doing business. I don't think about anything that they're doing you online, because that has nothing to do that.

3:46:37 What I always tell people this, and I'm gonna I should I'm gonna really leave it off with this. Everybody, You guys are the fucking main character in your movie their life that you call or I should say movie you call your life. Right, So the key people that you love, that you respect, that you care for are also the main characters. So why is it that a lot of people typically care for the extras in a movie such as cab, a cab driver, a bounce or b cab driver, c Why do people put so much focus on people have never personally met or developerport with in a relationship and actually know on a personal level.

3:47:17 Why do we care about them so much but what they think? I don't care what people think about me in that way? Right. We am not saying I won't take the positive reinforcement, and now that I appreciate that, but honestly, it doesn't you're not going to let the negative stuff get to you. I don't let anything get to me because it's not coming from me, my mentors, and the people that helped me on a daily basis. I care about what they think because they're directly involved in my life in big ways. I care about what my father thinks about me.

3:47:50 I care about what my wife thinks about me. I care about these people that matter to me, which is a small group as far as people I don't personally know. It doesn't dictate what I'm doing out Like I said, I would appreciate the positive aspects of it, and that will continue me to further myself along in a way because it shows that I've got good support from good people. Well, I will say this, I've never been reached out to more about any guests. I've never had so much outpouring of support for someone than I have had for you.

3:48:24 So just note that you do have a lot of people in your corner for sure that are rallying behind you. And I'm I'm definitely right there at the top because you know, I have a vested interest. I just I like you as a person. I think you're I think of you as a friend. So I here's to the beginning, and uh, and here's to the to the next chapter. Michael, I, I I can't wait to talk again. And everyone else for listening in the future, watching now if a couple people send up super chats, thank you so much.

3:49:05 You guys are the reason that the show is able to continue. We're gonna be doing more on YouTube and kind of you know, trying to equalize everything out. So again, next week's episode will be with Rich Dooty. It's not live, but from there going forward, I'm gonna start doing a lot more live episodes, so you know what it is like, share, subscribe, and then if you're listening on audio feeds, please leave a review if you can. It really helps more than you know. Algorithms eat that up written reviews on Apple and if you want to go that step further, join the membership.

3:49:41 I'll be uploading a lot of buying the scenes content for the Salem stuff that we just filmed literally today and yesterday, So that's gonna be really fun. And like I said, love you all and we can't do the show without you, each and every one of you. So just keep doing what it is, keep looking to this guy, and uh, if you got anything to uh, talk about my contacts always in the description below. We'll see it. God, I could I can't find the outro. See, this is the I gotta this. This is a live moment, like a live radio moment that uh I wasn't prepared for.

3:50:23 See back when I used to do it live all the time, I'd have the outro ready to go, so when I did this speech, I could just click it. But now here we have in like this awkward. All right, we're really two three two