#104 RICHARD DOTY-Former AF Office Of Special Investigations- The Real Mirage Man. Area 51 & MORE

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2:45 All right, guys, get to Buddy now. Alright, guys, welcome back to Total Disclosure the podcast. I am here today your host TI, and this is the show that I have been waiting for for since I since I started Total Disclosure. To be honest, Uh, this man I've not only looked up to, but I've paid close attention to his story, and that is Richard Doney. Richard Doughty was born in New York State and grew up in a military family. Richard served his country in the US Air Force UH. Richard attended college at Pacific Lutheran University, and after college, Richard was hired by the Air Force Office of Special Investigation.

3:38 After attending intelligence courses taught by the a f O I S Defense Intelligence Agency and c i A. Richard served at Kirkwood Air Force Base as a counter intelligence officer. Richard's duty at Nevada Test Site Air Force Center Detachment three Groom, which people know as Area fifty one Nevada, so that's in Nevada. Richard investigated at the Cayo Canyon UFO sighting on Kirtland Air Force Base and the POULP. Denowitz incident, which many of us know from the amazing documentary Mirage Men. Richard was also assigned to the a FOSI European Headquarters Wise but in Germany.

4:28 I'm gonna I'm German, so if I just got that wrong, I'm gonna get slapped by my mother in spirit. So as a counter sbno's agent. After leaving the Air Force Office of Special Investigation, Richard was assigned to an Air Force Reserve unit. Richard left Air Force Office of Special Investigation and was employed by the State of New Mexico. Rank Richard worked for the Institute of Advanced Studies, which was directed by doctor I'll put Off. In twenty seventeen, Richard was hired by Gaya where he currently has over one hundred episodes on cosmic disclosure with every Smith, it is my absolute honor, my pleasure to finally introduce the man, the myth, the legend, Richard Richard Doty.

5:20 Well, thank you for that introduction. Wow, I appreciate that. Yeah, Wow, what an what an introduction. And I mean, first I want to say, of course, thank you to all the service that you you did, you know in your time in the military and areas attached to it. So we always start off by saying thank you to our to our military veterans and our our our people like you. But what if I fascinating about you is that you admit that you sowed disinformation. That was your job as counterintelligence, right you openly admit it.

6:10 But you're now in the community trying to kind of shed some light on some of the things that are going on, and I'd be fascinated to hear about you know what you have to think about what the grush situation. But first I want to talk about the origins of Richard Doty. Richard Doty as he was hired of OSI, and let's I want to run through the Paul Benowitz case for anyone who in our audience who doesn't understand or doesn't know about that case and how it got misconskewed okay I was a counter intelligence officer at currently Air Force Base and Paul Benowitz lived just outside the base perimeter in an area called four Hills,

7:00 just outside just right on the perimeter, and so you could see into the base from his backyard or his patio, and on various occasions he saw some strange things flying around at Kurland. They were always next to an airplane, and he then took pictures of him, did some electronic recording of signals coming from these objects, and eventually he approached the chief of security police at Manzano Base, Lieutenant Colonel Ernie Edwards. Now Manzano Base was a base within Kirkland Air Force Base. It housed nuclear weapons.

7:45 It had it stored the most different weapons in the world there underground or in bunkers. And so when Paul brought this to the attention of these objects attention and of Lieutenant Colonel Ernie Edwards, who was again the chief of security police for that mountain, he immediately Lieutenant Colonel Edwards immediately notified me and told me that this guy had come to his office and told him about this, about these objects flying around and some signals that he was detecting from the area of Monsano.

8:24 So my counter intelligence officer to investigate this, and of course I made an appointment with Paul I. Benowitz. We did a check on Paul. Found out that he was an Air Force or a contractor, a private contractor. He had government contracts with Air Force. He owned a company called Thunder Scientific Laboratories, which was just outside Courtlin Air Force Base. So I made an appointment. I went out and talked to Paul at his office with another agent, and Paul told me that they told me the whole story about seeing these things flying around and he thought it was a threat to national security.

9:05 So he took pictures. He showed me the pictures. I asked if I could take these pictures and and and and that that's the That's how the initial part of the investigations started.

9:24 Uh, Paul, then if you can buy it, if you're gonna come in and yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. So Paul, let me back and look. We we've developed the pictures and we found that what Paul was taking pictures of was a highly classified United States Air Force drone program. This is the first part of the first time air Force tested drones. And this is back in the early eighties, So this is so this is arguably arguably I mean, it's not alien tech, but it is highly highly secret, like you know, very top secret.

10:06 It's it's the next gen weapons systems you know that we would see deployed after the stealth bombers. So you're saying Paul kind of tapped into it by accident, but on purpose, and your job was to make him and again your calendar intelligence, you got to do what you're gonna do. Well, what I did was Paul gave me his little background and he said I I would say, I worked for Uphon and before that at Pro, before that I CAP, so he was always a believer in UFOs. He told me what he was seeing, what he was taking pictures of were unidentified flying objects objects and probably from another another planet.

10:55 So I said, wow, that's that's amazing. Paul. Well, I couldn't tell him what this was because it was classified. So what I did was just I just went along with him. I just agreed to what he thought it was. I said, wow, you know what, Paul, You're probably right, probably are UFOs. So that began the Paul Inewitz operation called Project seven Lambs. And what our job was is to convince him that they were UFOs in order to keep him away from the real the real operation or project dealing with the secret drone program.

11:38 And Paul, Paul went along with that. I didn't have to drug geam or anything like that, all that all that information about drugging, and so what we actually did we told Paul that we wanted to do a contract with him, and we did. We did a contract that was a legal contract that went through his attorney in the base, attorney authorizing us to investigate him, investigate his facilities, investigate his house. He authorized us access to his house, his business, and so uh, and we did. We took advantage of all those things that he'd offer us.

12:17 And what we what we wanted to make sure was that he was not involved in any kind of esciminage or any uh, detrimental threat to national security. We knew job at the end of the day that was that was my job. And so we formulated an operations plan. In the military or in intelligence, uh, you can't do anything with an an operations plan. And so the operations plan was formulated at our headquarters in Washington, d C. I was instructed to do to follow the operations plan. I did have some input into the operations plan, but I was you know, I was new to this, uh, the young intelligence officer,

13:03 and I didn't have experience before this and dealing with something like this. So there were other agents involved in this operation and helping me, guiding me along. But my supervisors felt they had confidence in me doing my job, and so what I was told to do, I did. And so that's the beginning of the Paul Benowitz case Project seven Lambs. Now, there are a number of twist and turns that the Paul Benowitz case took over the five years it was in operation. It involved espionage, involved the actual photographing of unidentified flying objects by Paul, involved some activities up up in northern New Mexico on sea, and involved a number of other things and some of which are still classified.

14:00 Dealing with a national security agency. But I did this. I followed the investigation all the way through. When we terminated an investigation, I was given an award for doing such an outstanding job on the investigation, and I maintained a friendship with Paul right up to today. He died in two thousand and three, and I think, I think if Paul doesn't die, I think that this is a whole different story because I think that was the domino for some people that tipped over that made it feel like like like over the edge.

14:52 Does that make sense? Yeah, but he di eighteen years after after the case closed. Yeah. And again I'm not, you know, I'm not I'm not saying that, like I said, you know, it's it's the fact that it's people think that, you know, what happened to him in that in that situation let him down a path that you know, you know, made you know, kind of made him go a little bit insane. But in reality, again, there are so many complex facets to this story, so many because you honestly you did like you talked about and and you've never been shy about saying you honestly liked the guy you weres friend.

15:41 It's just so happens that you also were cast with not to put things in his head, but to allow him to continue believing what he already believed, right and maybe maybe need some some fire fuel to the fire here and there, And that is the job of a counterintelligence person. And and again you were doing your job. You know, you had someone who you reported to. You saw, you were your career. This is what you signed up for. So just because you stumbled onto a UFO thing, you know, doesn't make you the bad guy, right.

16:26 You know, I did my job and it wasn't just me. There were many other agents involved. Uh in the National Security Agency got involved in this, which caused some discontent with with our operation and with Paul Miewitz. Uh it crossed.

16:51 Well, yeah it did, because they're the ones that surptitiously entered his home and placed devices that we didn't place. Uh, we did have some devices in his home, but he knew about those. But when he found some other devices, he called me. I went there with a technical agent somebody else and looked at the other devices and found out that they weren't ours, but we knew they were a government And then we realized that National Security Agency was involved in this. And did you try to did you attempt to communicate with them?

17:30 I mean it's probably like talking to a brick wall, but did you attempt to, like, hey, guys, you know we're already

17:40 here. Yeah, we did. When we found out the NSA was involved. We actually we uncovered two NSA officers who rented a house across the street from Paul, and we confronted them. Later, I went out to the the NSA facility on Kurtland Air Force Base, Star Range it's called and confronted the operations officer with National Security Agency out there and asked him, why are you interfering with our investigation? He said, because we got command authority out of Washington to investigate Bob Enewitz too. And I said, you should have

18:25 coordinated that. Your investigation are investigation. You knew we were doing it. And then I pulled out a briefcase that I had and the bugs that they had placed in there. I threw down on his desk. I said, there's your bugs. We took them out. He said, we don't have authority to do that, and I said, yeah, I do. We do have authority. It's our operation, is not your operation. If you want to put those bugs back in there, you're going to coordinate with us. And then I was briefed on what they were concerned about and what they were concerned about, and this is not classified anymore.

18:56 They have they had they were experimenting with laser systems on Kirkland, and one of their laser systems that they were experimenting with, which at that time was highly classified, was they were pointing the laser up in the sky at passing Soviet satellites and the laser would blind the lens of the satellite, so they couldn't take pictures of the base. Kirkland had a lot of classified areas on the base, and Paul had tapped into the signals the communication systems that that was used to do that, and I didn't know about that until I was briefed at that point he said, and so that and I say, considered that would that to be espionager, even sabotage.

19:48 So that's when the FBI became involved in it, because the FBI is responsible for any type of espionage activities in than the United States. And so we brought in FBI UH, some people that I worked with all the time with the FBI, even though we were federal agents, we always let the FBI handle UH civilians outside military control. Anyways, that's how they became involved in this. And but we found that Paul was Paul was a scientist, a physicist. He owned a scientific laboratory. He did a lot of experiments there.

20:33 He made devices for submarines and for UH air Force aircrafts, and so he was smart, very smart, and he had some good theoretical technicians working with him as his lab and so they they created a device that was able to detect frequencies in broader range than than normal and so and that's what he was using to tap into the signals that were directing the UH the real laser up towards the passing Soviet satellites. UH in itself that it would not be UH escionage or sabotaged. But because Paul didn't know what he was doing, he didn't know what he was collecting.

21:18 But so now now we got it, we got a problem. We got to convince that Paul that the signals that he was receiving was also UFOs related actra trusturals and not anything to do with the laser program. So now UH essay turned out over to back over to me, because once we found out that he wasn't stealing anything UH, then then I had a double sword. Then I had to convince him that those signals were in fact et signals and that that presented a Pandora's box, so to speak. And you know, I can't imagine for you that felt comfortable heeding him that information because at that point, you know your friends, that the guy, you feel for him, and because of that government bureaucracy, now you're forced into this situation.

22:18 Well, not necessary, governor of bureaucracy. It was just a job that I had to do because of my position and the fact that I wasn't well. This is where the part, this is where the operation turned away from my ability to contribute some things to the operations plan. They created a brand new operations plan. They sent it down to me without asking for any input for me, and they said, this is what you're gonna do. You know, there's twenty or whatever it was, twenty different things I had to do. And so I looked at him, and I went to my supervisor, who was a surveyor at GM fifteen, and I said to him, I said, you know, John, I don't know that we should be able to do all these things, because I think just I suggested other courses of action to take.

23:16 And John said, well, you know that this came down from headquarters. So we got to follow what they said. And so we had a secure telephone conversation, a conference call with some of the people in Washington, and I put in my two cents that, you know, I suggest we do these things. And there were five or six different things, and they said, no, we're you're going to do it our way. I said, because he said, we're dealing with national security year and we can't make a mistake. And if there's a mistake made, it's rather we make it up here then you make it down there.

23:53 Okay. I had no choice but to follow orders and do it the way they wanted to. Yeah, and again. And so the Paul Benewitt story, that's kind of would you say it? Did you ever have a fascination in real UFOs or did it kind of spawn out of you know, because I can't imagine, you know, feeding UFO disinformation. You'd have to start studying up on it, you know, going to conventions, maybe hearing people speak. Did you do all those things and then get interested in the real topic of UFOs because you're like, holy shit, something there's actually something here.

24:42 Or was it you already had an interest before the Benowitz case. No, this goes back to nineteen seventy nine. I was asked to investigate a case out of out of a place called Couta Canyon, a classified testing range on Kirkland whereby a private security guard from Sandy National Laboratories observed a something UFO land at a classified storage area. I investigate that incident. I knew nothing about UFOs or United States government involvement with UFOs before that and when I was pushed into this investigation, and therefore I had to be briefed into a program, a special program.

25:31 So went I went to a location on Kirkland on west side of Kirkland, Air Force Special Security Office is called and I was given a briefing into the program. And this briefing consisted of United States government involvement with the investigation of UFOs in an alien contacts from nineteen forty seven to present day, which would have been seventy nine. And they showed me. They showed film. Well, I was the only one in room. There were a number of other people do get in the same briefing, and showed us the Roswell recovery film, talked about other crash sites, talked about different species of extratrustrials.

26:12 They showed the film. Yeah, the Roswell film, the recovery film, Yes thirty efforts in recovery of the Rosmo wreckage. Yes, okay, military film from nineteen forty seven showed up all all of us. They showed us the live picture of a live et that they found in the craft. They talked about the nineteen forty nine craft, the same type of craft, same type of Extra Trustrials that had crashed farther west, went out near Blowna Peak past Secorla Mexico. And so this briefing lasted a couple hours. So now I know that the United States government and the afo I still continued to investigate UFOs and UFO sightings.

27:06 And the criteria was if a UFO was sited near a base or on a base involving Air Force resources, air Force aircrafts, or Air Force personnel, the AFOs I would investigate it and it would be a classified investigation because, if you can remember, back in nineteen sixty nine, the Condom report, the Air Force went there hands supposedly of UFO matters and turned everything over to DA which was a relatively new agency back then, and the Air Force wasn't supposed to be involved in this anymore. But we were we were, and we still and the agency is still doing it.

27:47 I was gonna say, side note, do you think that that is why the Air Force is still the most hush hush about this? Yeah? They really really, really know what's going on. Yeah, And I'll give you an example. I was called up to Washington, d C. In January of twenty twenty two to give a deposition in my knowledge of the UFO phenomena. The Department of Defense Inspector General's Office called me up there. We were in a secure area and they asked me a number of questions about what I did during my time in and they had a two reports that I had done way back in nineteen eighties.

28:38 And they showed me these reports and the first thing I noticed that they were heavily redacted. And they looked at the reports. I looked at the last page and I said, I said, yeah, I remember these reports, but what do you want to know about him? And they start asking me questions about him. I said, well, can you reach in there and get me an unredacted report because I don't remember everything I did forty years ago? And they told me we can't get one. AFOs I won't give us an unredacted report, and I said, wait a minute, you guys are yes and be able to fill in the gaps exactly.

29:18 And I said, what do you mean to tell me that you're the d O d IG and you can't get an under redacted report. And they said, okay, we tried everything. So that gives you example of of of the there's no cooperation between different agencies within the government regarding this topic. And so I said, well, I'll do the best I can looking through it and tell me about it. It was a recovery operation that happened, and that that that they gave me a report on. And then in September twenty twenty two, I went back to Washington and spoke to a different set of people within the the I G's office, but they had finally an unredacted report that I did, and I said, hey, okay, this is an underdactory report.

30:14 We want to know about it. And that was the Paul Benowitz case. Uh, with all the different twisting and and and and and turns that this case had, and it was a uh I think it was like a thousand pages in this report and in that seven lambs. UH. So I said, well, what do you want to know about it, And they said, we would specifically want to know about the photographs that he took on such and such a date up near Springer in New Mexico. And I told him. I said, yeah, I had him, my uh, I saw him, my uh.

30:50 And what happened was Paul was he's a pilot. Also, Paul was pilot, private pilot. Yeah, Paul was a pilot. He had a at Cessna one eighty h he flew, he flew that around. He had a problem. So because first of all, Paul wasn't in the best of hell. Paul smoked four or five packs of cigarettes a day. He drank excessively large amounts of caffeine every day, court bottles of Coca cola, drank coffee. I didn't take care of himself. Okay, so that's one thing. He was having problems getting peak, clearing his FAA physical but he would still fly Anyways.

31:32 Anyways, he was flying up there as he was he went up to Dulcie. He had with him a person that worked in the laboratory with him and he was a photographer. That person was a photographer, So Paul got it. They got in a plane. We were flying back, and they were over a northern New Mexico place called Springer and a huge UFO came down and almost touched his wing, his left wing, and it stayed right there. In fact, Paul and his uh it's a right seat photographer could could actually look through a portal and see something moving in there.

32:11 And this and of course the the guy that he had withiham took a lot of pictures of this. Uh. This UFO seemed to follow him, but it was very careful not to not to sway into Paul's uh airpath. UH. Paul say, when he had to make a course correction, the UFO seemed to anticipate it and moved away from him. And so before you met him, or after or during, no, this is during during this operation, do you think that there's even a slivers of a chance that it was us deep deep, deep, deeper than you, deeper the deep black, black black, you know in the earth, black hole kind of program following him.

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33:58 Guys, we hope to hear from you soon. If you want to reach out to the show, feel free to DM me on Twitter, on Facebook, Instagram, or call BacT to me at tie at the GWW dot com. Well, for us, it surprises a lot of people because when we uh, when Paul got back after this, after he got back late one night and he immediately called me. I was unmarried and I lived in an apartment and it was like, I think it was a Saturday night, and actually I remember having a date that night. I wasn't married at time.

34:45 Course, and uh, Paul called me and he was so almost screaming on the phone. You got to come over here. I got to come over. I got to show you something. Got to come over here, please please, I said, okay, okay, okay, Paul, calm down. I said, what is it? He said, I had a I had I almost hit was hit by a UFO. I got pictures of it, and so I thought, okay, So I called up another I called another agent who was actually a duty agent. We always had a duty agent, twenty four hour duty agent. And I wasn't duty agent, but he was.

35:16 Anyway, we went out and we went over to the lab and he had his own photo studio there he could he could develop his own film, and he had he had he had just come out when we got there of a studio and he had uh you know, eight by ten's and five by seven's, and he had him on his desk at our table next to his desk. He said, look, look there see them. So I sat looking at him. I thought wow, And I said, well, and he tells me the whole story about you know, how it happened. And I said, well, Paul, I need to have these verified, so can I can I get him?

35:53 I need also the negatives and he said yeah. So he gave me everything, and then Monday he showed him to my boss and some other people are working on this project with me, and they said and one of the people that was working on this project was a twenty four year veteran of the Special Projects branch of OSI, which spelled was dealt specifically with the subject of UFOs. He spent twenty four years doing this stuff. And I showed him this. He said, yep, and he immediately, I mean, was just looking at it and saying, that's such a such a craft.

36:30 It's flown by such and such a species of it. And I said, you are where you know this stuff? He said, yeah,

36:38 huge craft it was. It wasn't so this was not this was an aienraft. Yeah, it was definitely alien and so we we uh we packaged everything up and sent it up to with a report sent up to Washington to uh O, S I, D I A, and for the longest time I didn't hear back. Finally I inquired what about that there was somebody within the DA that I was dealing with, because after nineteen sixty nine E. Condon Report, all oside generated reports went through OSI to d A, and d A actually was the one that was a clearinghouse.

37:27 They're the ones that stored it off and they had all the special analysts up there. Anyways, I asked the dea guy, I said on a secure line. I said, well, what do you think of it? And he said, well,

37:40 you're not cleared yet. I said, what do you mean, I'm not cleared. I's already seen the pictures. I'm investigating this. He said, well, we'll have to get you cleared. I said, you got to be kidding me. So anyway, I said, okay, you know, so I go and talk to my boss. My boss says Bush, Well, well, okay, bullshit, he said. I said, well, you want to get me cleared or I mean, I've already seen these pictures, Like yeah, Like, what the fuck is the point of that?

38:13 So he said, well, you know, there's a need to know everything, which areas in the government, there's even though you have a high level of security cars, there's a need to know anything. And I said okay. So a couple of days later, he said, okay, you need to go back over to af SO and you're going to get cleared on something else. So I went over there and I got cleared on Uh. They told me about five species of ets that have been visited Earth and the type of crafts they fly, and they're all different by bioology, by they all have a different biologies, uh, and they all have different technologies, they come from different planets and all this stuff.

38:50 And I thought myself, wow, we already know all this stuff. We must have been dealing with these things for years. I mean, that's my that was my impression. So I get briefed on that. Now I'm in that part of it. I'm in. So I go back, and now I can I read things that are coming in on a secure system encrypted uh message system that dealing with extra strustural contacts or extrasterraal sightings of what we call identified alien craft I a CS. And so I said, wow, this is really and and then I realized how many how these things are being seen all over and so anyways, I got that briefing and and if if I can interject really quickly, yeah, so you said that you were you were told about species.

39:45 Can you get into any specifics about maybe one of the most common species that we see visiting Earth in your if you have to phrase it in your educated opinion, Well, what do you think? Well, we didn't we didn't discuss statistics is in that realm. We just in a briefing and it were four of us in its briefing. It was just the number. There were five different species they had were names that Di named them for some particular reason. That ever told us why they called them what they did. But there's a lot of people out there that know this.

40:31 This has been on the internet for a long time. Anyways, that the most benevolent. They did talk about whether these were some were dangerous to humans or not. The benevolent ones were the evens, the ones that crashed in Roswell, the one we had in captivity from forty seven to fifty two. It was they were just considered the grays, but they were yeah, yeah, they were considered the evens, the extra biological entities. Uh, and they named them. We apparently we had more than one in captivity, but at that time we only had one.

41:08 Uh. They were They came from Zeta reticulate. Uh. They were uh, three to four foot tall. They had a number of the They they had ears and eyes. They had a mouth, but they didn't eat food like we ate, didn't have any teeth. They they they were extremely smart. They had their skin was grayish colored, uh, but they wore the same color of of like a flight suit and one piece suit over so they there. The skin isn't exposed, so it's like a wet suit, right, Yeah, exactly, very very thin. They didn't eat food the way they had their own food in the spacecraft.

42:05 Would they take like a like so, because I've heard accounts recently about them, like they do have a mouth and they put this like capsule in and it kind of like

42:24 it maintains their avatar because you know, that's really what it is. I don't know how much insight you would have to it. You don't say anything about it, but it's something I heard recently and from a from a source that I deem incredible. That might be it, but I didn't know anything about that or anything I knew is that they had these elongated pills but it look like pills and they would uh insert it into their mouth and it would, I guess dissolve or something and that's that's her food, that's any food.

42:59 But that they did so, but this confirmation kind of about so there was a pill of some sort that was ingested by these beings. Yeah, but ironically they still they they did require water. Apparently one of the most common things that these creatures had they had with water. Yeah, water, they didn't and and but but I didn't know much any anymore about it than that the avatar thing I've heard. I've asked asked some people about that. They don't they have an answer back with me. I mean, uh, it's semantics.

43:46 What do you really think about it? It is semantics because whether or these things are standing. I mean, the story I want to get to is because I find it to be. The most jaw dropping that you tell is the closed caption alien interview that you watched. So I don't know if we're skipping aheadway like way far ahead. But how far is it between you getting access to this server or whatever, this back door into the government's knowledge into two these species you're being read into these projects? How far is that from you seeing this this closed caption and you know interview that was somewhere on the base.

44:41 You just it wasn't you were watching it on a TV. That incident happened at Area fifty one, it was okay, so this was later later, Yeah, okay, so maybe we can wait to get to that. So continue with the Curtly Okay. Uh So, once once I got that special access program down and cleared for the other incident, okay. During this time frame, during the investigation, Leo Sprinkle and Alan Heinik became involved with Paul Benowitz. Uh. They brought Paul a monitor for his computer, and it was a black and white monitor, and they brought it to him unbeknownst to us.

45:36 Uh. Paul didn't think much of it because he knew both people, and he thought, well, it's it's a gift. I think it was right around holiday. I think it was before Christmas, and that he wanted to They wanted to give me this gift. So Paul took it and he started using it. Uh. This is when all he's strange visual things came on the monitor, the writings that came up that he he had printed and things like that. And he had for about a week, a little over a week, and and finally Paul called me one day and said, Richard, you need to look looking at what I got on my monitor.

46:23 And now we had already all our technical experts had already checked out his computer, his old monitor. So we had a We had an expert computer person. Her name was Teresa. She was an agent O's agent, but she was expert in all different things to do and with computers. Of course, the computers back in those days were you know, relatively nude too, although I can tell you that in nineteen eighty I had a laptop computer and I could send message messages on the defense communications networks z C n UH and he got him because the military gets all the all the new technologies.

47:07 Way be for that's that's just a side note. Anyways,

47:13 I go, we go out to UH Paul's UH office with Teresa. Teresa and I won't go over there. And the first thing I noticed when Paul says, look at this. I said, Paul, where'd you get this monitor? He said, oh, oh, alan heine brought it to me. I said, you what, why didn't you tell me this? He said, well, you know, I thought it was just a gift. And so I said, and then he showed me all these things that were coming up on a monitor. I thought, well, bull, I said, I tell you what. We're disconnecting this monitor.

47:46 Teresa's going to take it back to her shop. She's going to go over it with a fine tooth comb, and then she's gonna we're going to figure out what, you know, if this has been bugged. So I said, well, where's uh Heinig and he said, well, he's he's he's with Leo Sprinkle. They're doing an investigation here on an abductee. I said, okay, I said where's he staying at? And they told me someplace a hotel, and so I said okay. So I left there. I contacted Jerry Brown, FBI agent that I worked with, and I said, Jerry, I said, we need to go over and talk to these people.

48:24 So he meets me over this Actually it was a like an extended living apartment type situation, and we went over there and just as we got there, we saw Leo and Heinik and I knew him both. I hadn't met him before. Well, yeah, yeah, they're they're at this time, they're publicly involved with Project blue Book. Right, this is a nineteen this is nineteen eighty eighty one. Blue Book had been closed. But Cloy, yeah, yeah, that was in sixteen, ten years before. But I knew they were and I saw him, I said, oh, there there are right now.

49:06 So we kind of followed them to where they were staying in this apartment and I said, I had actually met Leo Sprinkle before and talked to him Alan Heinek. I saw him in a room once, but I didn't actually formally introduce myself, so I did identify. We pull out our credentials, Jerry and I and showed him. I said, we need to talk to you about something. So they became defensive. But anyways, they went inside. We went in an apartment. I said, did you give Paul benowit's a monitor, a computer monitor, and heine said yeah, I did.

49:40 I bought it. I said where'd you buy that? He told me where some store or someplace and I think Phoenix. Anyways, I said, okay, I said, what did Paul tell you? He said, well, he said that you guys are investigating him. And the alien said he's in contact with and all this stuff. I said, Paul told you all that and that's all classified, right, Yeah, yeah, told me all that. I said, okay. I said, well guess what, guys, now you're going to be on investigations because what he told you is sensitive. And so then Jerry Uh, the FBI agent Jerry Brown Media Liver right in the riot act right, and I think I think it was going to cry you got to ruin my reputation.

50:33 I said, no, we're not ruining anything. You already did it. You ruined it by by showing up here and getting involved. Yep. So we we kind of gave him a deep briefing and they said, oh, they promised him, we're talking about it. And I said, well, I can't keep you from seeing Paul Minewitz, but I can, uh, if you provide him any further, if any high or if he tells you anything, you're gonna might end testifying in the court at federal court. Oh no, no, we're not going to do that. We're not going to do that.

51:07 So, I mean, he went back. Henich's also for for like he did work with Project Bluebook, he knows that you're serious and when you get I mean, he knows that I would consider the guy a patrionic guy. And if you guys told him listen, you can't say anything like you guys are now part of this investigation, you know, they would probably take that pretty seriously. Yeah, he did. And well we went from there over to talk to Paul. Read Paul the Riot Act and Paul said no, no, no, no, no, I didn't tell him all that stuff.

51:44 I said, well, how would they know it? They're assuming this, I said, Paul, listen one more mistake on one more mistake on your part. And this is probably the only time I ever really became angry, Paul, I said, and you're in trouble. I can guarantee you're gonna be in trouble. I said, you're gonna lose, pointing over to his laboratory. He said, you're gonna lose every single government contract you have. M And Paul says, I will never do it again. On my lips are seal, and as far as I know, he never, he never.

52:15 No, this brings it's one thing to It's one thing to tell like your your wife or a friend and like a confidant. But no, you just told the former Project Blue Book scientist who is now investigating cases on his own with Leo sprankle Uh, it's like, Paul, you made a very big mistake. Yeah he did, and he realized it and uh yeah he But now this brings up another part of the investigation miRNA Hansen. I don't know if you know the Marna Hanson case. Anyways, Leo Sprinkle and Allen Heinik were in Alpuquerque or in New Mexico, conducting an investigation on the Myrna Hansen and Myrna Hansen was a very uneducated, married, unmarried woman with a son living up in northern New Mexico.

53:23 She was driving down a road she's missing time. She her and her son, seven year old son were abducted, taken into a large facility and all sorts of experiments were done on both her and her son. She described the facility. She did have the ability to draw. She was really good at drawing, and what she drew later we found out would be similar to a classified storage bunker out at Kirkland Air Force Base. So we thought, oh my god, somebody took her out there because it's a number one. She had no fafiliation with the military.

54:03 None of her family had been in military. Well, she never even knew her dad. Her mother wasn't they'd have any friends who were in the military. She was the only child, so she was she never had actions. You brought it. You also brought it. You know. She wasn't super educated, so it's not like, you know, she was studying geography of and maps and you know, doing all that kind of stuff in her spare time, right, she was. She was. She dropped out of school when she was like fourteen or fifteen. And anyways, so they were Leo and they saw this drawing and then anyway, we get involved in this because it's on Kurland and we know where this facility is, so I mean we immediately went out there to look at it.

54:53 And now this facility is a bunker above ground bunker that had an underground for facility and it was used. It was an experimental bunker you that they were going to build later on to store nuclear weapons in it. They would what they would do is they put the nuclear weapon in on a platform and then drop it down sixty feet close it up, so if a terrorist or enemy got into that bunker, the nuclear weapon was sixty feet down and they couldn't get to it. And that's basically the bunker. So we went out there and looked at this bunker that we think that she had bend into because she drew it, and we got inside of it and we went down and everything she described was exactly the same as this bunker, except she was talking about this hatch off to the off to the one side, uh, to the to the left, excuse me, facing the back of the bunker, and she said, when you opened that, they took me inside and they had vats of human bodies.

55:57 Well, this hatch, when you open it up, it was an escape hatch. If somebody was trapped down there could get out, crawl out. So we got concerned that she had been down there. So we started an investigation trying to figure out who took her down there, but we couldn't ever find out exactly, and so we uh then we took over. We we paid her money, We she was treated by military physicians. We even bought her a little car. We uh, you know, because we thought somehow she's connected to this thing somehow, or maybe she was really an abductee.

56:38 Now at that point, I didn't know anything about abductions. I was never bringed into it. And this is a funny story. When I do the report and sent it up to d I. A about a week later, these two the agents come down from Washington, and of course we're a secure facility o SI and they come out and at the security checkpoint, the security guy calls me. He said, hey, there's two guys here from DA and they do have yellow cards, well yellow cards there. We have different types of credentials that will get you into any place, any plate.

57:15 And if I went from Kurtland to write Patterson Air Force Base. If I had the right time of a card, I could get into any facility. I said, okay, I said, okay, send them in. So they come and they sit down. They said, hey, yeah, we're we're here to talk about this, this report that you sent up on this MYRNA Hansen. I said, who are you guys with? He says, we're in section D seventeen. I said, what's D seventeen? He said the abduction Investigation section. And I said, what, we have a section, We have a section investigats abductions.

57:52 He said what And I said, holy cow, I said. He said, oh, you're not breathed in yet, and I said, yeah, I have never been briefed in. So what I do? I? Oh? I did. Eventually, after they left, I went over to Therefore Special Security Office went through the same briefing about abductions. The fact that we know all the stuff about abductions, which really shocked me because I never even knew anything about it. So anyways, uh, that that's a side note and the side part of the Paul Minnowitz case. And uh, another very fascinating incident that happened.

58:35 I don't know Uh are we on for an hour? What we how all are we on for? Because we're do you do you have an hour? Shore longer? Tyler? I'll just keep talking anyways. One night, myself another agent, uh Steve, and then uh Jerry Miller went out to Paul Benwich's house for dinner. It was a rainy night. I don't know what's your shop? What's just shoppened? Microphone check? Microphone check? Can you hear the microphone? Yes? I hear you. I hear it now, all right, So it's just you. I can't hear it now all right?

59:40 Uh? Can you trust speaking? Yeah? I can you hear me? Now? Yeah? I don't know why? Testing one two three, five four three one second? I apologize, okay? Can I think I just heard you? Okay? Testing one two three, testing one two three? Yep? I just yep, I heard that just one two three, testing one two three three two one testing hear me now, yep? Okay, there is yes, there is sorry about that, my friend. Okay, where did we are? We? Are we going beyond an hour? Right? Because yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?

1:00:54 Okay, okay, all right. I began by talking about an instant. It didn't happen at Paboa's house. Myself, another agent, Steve, and Jerry Miller went out to Paul's house for dinner one night. We had a nice dinner, his wife cooked it. After dinner, we went into a side room, a room like a den. I had a lounge, a couch and myself I was sitting at one end and Steve, the other agent, was sitting on the other end. And to my left with two lounge chairs. Jerry Miller was sitting in one and Paul was just sitting on the other.

1:01:38 This show room the house had cathedral ceilings, but there was a chandelier above me. The wall that was in front of me was all just just a white wall. Farther to the right was slutting glass doors that went out to the to a outside patio, and then farther to the right was a an area, uh windowed area, another room. So we were sitting there. My wife was gonna bring us coffee and brandy. I didn't drink brandy. Bit I was looking. I was looking at the wall, and all of a sudden I see this ball, a light ball down at the lower left hand corner, just light up and it started uh moving twinkling, moving, moving up the wall in the diagonal formation.

1:02:31 I looked over at Jerry and he tapped his watch, and I looked at Steve. I want to make sure everybody was seeing what I was saying. I said, do you see this? And you know, I didn't say it, but I he and he made he said yeah. So this thing moved up the wall all the way up, and I said again, this is cathedral ceilings. The ball went all the way up. Now it didn't stay against the wall, came out, so I knew it wasn't a reflect or somebody shining something against the wall. It went all the way up above the chandelier and spun around, and then they came back down almost the same path that it went up, but it stopped right in the middle of the room.

1:03:15 And I'm looking at everybody, and we're looking at this thing, and Paul's kind of just nonchalantly looking at it. It was twinkling and turning, and all of a sudden, it went back towards the wall, went back down, dropt diagonally to the bottom left hand corner, and disappeared.

1:03:35 So, uh. I looked at Jerry, and Jerry looked at his watch, and the reason Jerry looked at us watch is we didn't want to be involved in any missing time. We didn't know what this was. So and Jerry was a seasoned investigator, so I kind of said I understood what he said. And I said to Paul, what was that? He said,

1:03:57 so, now you see what we see all the time. And his wife comes out of the kitchen and she had a tray of coffee and she said, oh, our visitors came to say hi to you, to us, and she said down like hey, just like it's Tuesday. I said, I said, that was unbelievable. Happened before And and Paul said all the time all the time, I said, where are they coming from? He said, you told me so immediately. You're the expert. We started the investigation with Jerry was the technical expert. And we started getting equipment out of our vehicles, and we started scanning, and we started doing all these things and and and we pulled uh Paul aside.

1:04:45 We took him in actually a front room of house, that little foyer for you, and and it was standing against the one and I said, Paul, listen to me. If you did this, you're going to get in a hell of a lot of trouble, and I want you to tell me the absolute truth. He said, Rick, I don't know what it is. It come, they come and go. They're the aliens that I'm telling you about. He said, I can't do that. I can't duplicate that. And a sort of a period of a couple of weeks, we tried to duplicate it. We were trying to do all sorts of things.

1:05:19 Well I wasn't, but the technical people were, and we coulicate it. Let's remind people of the year that this happened, because you know, the technology that we have nowadays, you know, you could fake a you know, fake something like that where you know, like you with a with a you know, projector, and you know, if you really want to try to fool someone this day and age, there's technology to do so. But back then, this is a whole different world we're talking about, like mainly you know, basic technology.

1:05:59 So

1:06:03 well, we didn't, we knew, we knew it wasn't something that he did. We eliminated that, We eliminated any type of outside interference. Uh. Experts watched or watch what we did. We filmed the whole house. Uh. We didn't film this, obviously we didn't have any cameras, but they they listened to how we described it, and Jerry described it and Steve described it, and UH they came to the conclusion it was maybe, in fact be extra trustraal because they couldn't duplicate it and they couldn't figure out exactly what it was.

1:06:42 So what what do you say? I I you know, it was a loss for words. Nobody seemed it. Although we had visitors from NSA, d I A c I A, UH, the Institute for UH, the Research, the U, the US Air Force Research Institute, the Special Operations Center US Air Force Los Alamos came down and they scoured the house. They actually took that wall apart. They took that wall. With the concept from Paul we were going to replace it. They took the wall totally, took it down, examined inside of it, and there was nothing there.

1:07:29 So we don't know where how it came where it came from. Paul did film one occasion after this, and this is like about nineteen eighty three, Paul did film a ball at this light ball ORBS he filmed in his house. He came home from his wife and him came home from a movie or something, and what happens is and I didn't actually feel this, but Jerry did. When just before the ball appeared, there seemed to be a lot of static in the room. I mean I didn't feel it, but Jerry did and actually steeved it too.

1:08:14 And so when they came, when Bob's wife came home from whatever a movie or something they were at, he felt that, and so Immeding. He once got his camera, video camera eight milimeters. He had eight milimeter camera and he was walking around the house. He didn't see anything then, but when he walked up the steps towards the bedroom, he saw the orb the ball alike coming right at him and immediately started filming it. So he had about ten or twelve seconds of it on film. And so he of course gave that to us and we analyzed it and nobody seemed to know what it was.

1:08:57 So that's that part of it. These pictures. Paul Benowitz took the negatives. You guys took the all the evidence, you know, the real the stuff that he gave you that we consider legit, that you consider legit. Where is all that, Well, yeah, it's up in the I A violent cabinets somewhere. I don't. I guess I never saw it. Do you do you regret not making a copy of at least one of these things and keeping it or late every Well, I I would have gotten trouble because it would it was classified. So I I followed the rules, and uh, you know, I think back now, Yeah, I wish I would have kept some one of them or two of them, right, but you know that just wasn't feasible.

1:09:59 Yeah, and you got to turn all that stuff in. Yeah, it's just like a police officer going to a crime scene and you got all this crime all these all this evidence, and you want to keep one for your own. You can't do that. I mean this is this could have been a could have been a crime scene in a way, some type of federal investigation or something. So no, I could. I couldn't keep it. I got it. Yeah, no, no, no, morally justified. Absolutely. It just sucks because now it's like and the next story we're going to talk about, like they not only do they have evidence like that Paul Benowitt's clip, but they have evidence that could literally just disclosed to everybody in the matter of minutes that this is a legitimate that aliens exist, right, that UFO are real.

1:10:59 They have all that evidence, and they could they could change the course of human history by releasing some of the evidence and allow in the general public the knowledge that that I think that we are owed. So you you end up going to the infamous Area fifty one. Now people who work there know it as Groom Lake. So Groom Lake. Your experience at Groom Lake were did you did you hear did you know the rumors about Area fifty one before going in? Did you? I mean, what's your mindset going into that base?

1:11:50 You're a muted I'm sorry. Uh. The way the way I started was this, Uh there was a uh two agents stationed out there permanently. One of one of them got sick, really sick, uh and left had had put him, sent him to a hospital and h in Texas. Uh. Another agent went on a extended vacation or extended leave for for other reasons anyways, So there's had to be two people replacing them. And Uh, I was a nine Q or. I had been briefed into the program, and I talked about all those different programs and they're called nine qu'es, And uh, my boss came to me.

1:12:44 He said, you're going You're going t d Y or temporary duty. T DY is temporary duty out the Nevada. I said, okay, all right, So I just said, okay, well where am I going? He said, you're going to uh a class fight location, A site alpha, uh unclassified, what's called for SIA. It was called Site Alpha. Okay, I said, okay. And I had no idea where this was. I didn't know anything about Area fifty one. I knew Nellis Air Force Base was out there, right yeah, and Creech Air Force Bace was out there, but I and I knew the Nevada Test site was out there, but I didn't know about Area fifty one.

1:13:25 Anyways. Uh, he said, well, uh, you're gonna you're gonna fly up to Vegas. Uh, you're gonna you're gonna, uh, somebody's gonna pick you up and they're gonna take you over to Nellis and you're gonna get a briefed in and they're gonna give you a vehicle. It's gonna be a cheap cdh's cheap. And then you're gonna drive out there. And I said, want to drive out where? He said, drive out to the base. I said what base? I could you know? And he said, just go out there, they'll tell you. So I go, I fly out there.

1:13:53 I go to Nellis and they I go into a room and skiff and they brief me. They tell you, okay, on out to they call it Detachment three Air Force Flight Test Center Groom Lake. I said, okay, you're gonna You're going to go to building four thirty two OSI office and you're going to be briefed in by uh special agent so and so. So I said, okay, I'll do that. And this is a map to get out there, and so I said, okay. So I I spent the night there in a b o q at Nellis and I leave in the morning and I drive out towards Alamo and and up the road.

1:14:39 And now there are these, uh they call them undistinguishable landmarks that people ah that you if you were driving up that you would never notice them, but that the military or the intelligence community used to know where to turn, like secret secret land. Yeah, you got to have a special gadget. Oh, I can't go into any more details than that, James. So I go and I, you know, I get on the dirt road and driving forever, and I thought, Jesus, where's his base? And all of a sudden I come up and there's a gate there, and so I think, did the guards come out?

1:15:27 And at that time it was air Force security personnel or security the guard skates and uh, is it something different now? Yeah, Savilian's the cameo dudes. Military police. No, no, no, not military police, the camel dudes. If you look at videos about it, the civilian security guards, the outer perimeter, the military police back in those days and the military had it all. He comes over to me, he says, yes, may I help you? I said yeah, and I showed him my car and he looked and he had to go back in the day out.

1:16:04 Yes, I yeah, I had the right car to get in. And then he and I sign in and he said okay. I said, well, I never been out here. Where do I go? He said, uh, you know, just follow the road. He said, follow the road. You'll come to another gate. They'll always they'll let you in and they'll take your vehicle. I said, okay, and so I did. And so I finally get to the contonement area of the Bay Area and I go around the room the building for thirty two, which was the OSI office, and I couldn't get in there.

1:16:40 They had a phone on the outside. I called in and they said, okay, yeah, Well they knew how they were expecting me because they had my orders. I went in and I checked in, and then I was briefed by uh one of the agent in charge out there, specially as in charge, and he tells me that I'm taking over for so and so and so who's sick, and you know, he laughed and he said you're probably going to be here for ninety to one hundred and eighty days. I said, oh, okay. I wasn't married or anything, so I just so yeah.

1:17:10 So, I said, his first question was what exactly is the space? He said, well, we're going to brief you in and let you know that, but uh, there's other things you got to do first. I said, okay. So the first thing they did was you got to do I had to take these finger print I had to do these fingers specialized prints. They don't just print your finger as a print up it's up like this, your hand, actually your fingers. You put your four fingers in and they they a light reads it and then goes up over your hand like this.

1:17:44 They do both of mine, and then they say, okay, we need to to get in a little drop of your blood. And I do that, and I'm over at another place doing all this stuff and they said okay. And then he said, well, my boss says tomorrow morning, you got to be over there at eight o'clock and they're going to brief you in to the program. He said, yeah, you got five special access programs you have to be briefed into. Okay from so I So they put me up in a a boq on base. It's nice little studio apartment. The cafeteria or the child was down there, and the basic change was over here.

1:18:27 And they told me this, but they said, you cannot leave the contonin area. You fine? You were literally say you were confined, yeah, to where the base actually was. I couldn't. I couldn't go anywhere else other than that. And I said, okay, he said, don't ever, don't try it. I said, oh I'm not. I'm not. So this place is locked down. Oh yeah, would you agree that that not even you saw before? No. So I spent the night. I set up in the room. They gave me the student apartment and I went down to eat dinner, and it was it was similar to a military dining facility or a child but it was a lot nicer.

1:19:12 I think it was not really nice for the food was really really nice. Anyways, the next morning, I go back up, I watched TV. They had TV there, U and I and then get in the morning and I immediately go over to this building I think it was sixty six, uh, to get this briefing. So I go over there and they let me in. I go in, and they put me in this room and and they and I go through the whole version and they tell me exactly what they do out there, what they test limited access because I don't have the technical need to know.

1:19:50 But they told me about the different areas. You got the area fifty one here, you got s two down here, you got this up here, you got this over here. Uh, you have access to all those areas, but not all the facilities at those areas. It's okay and so uh. Then at the end of that briefing, it was really nothing really classified. It was just just about the base, and he showed me maps and so forth. But I noticed the maps were all classified secret. So I said, okay, and I got all that, and so he said, okay, now you know, you go down the hall and room whatever the room was to go down the hall room whatever, and go in there and and they're going to give you another briefing.

1:20:37 So okay, I do that. I sit there and I'm the only one in the room. There's nobody else in the room. The other briefing I had, there was like three or four four people there. There were I was the only civilian. I was only in savine clothes. I only worked in sabine clothes. Obviously, there's other three people and I think there was four of us. They were military uniforms, so they were they were signed there as military. So I go down the hall going there, down and I'm the only one there, and this woman comes in.

1:21:07 She introduces herself. She's in savine clothes. She says, you're while you're out here, you although you're an OSAGE, you're attached to the Air Force Operational Test and Evaluation Center out of Curlind Air Force Base. That's what your badge will say. And we're going to make you badge for you. And they do that and and I said, okay, yeah, no problem. And he said okay, she said, okay, the next uh part of the briefing is classified with all these different caveats and it's special access programs, and I said okay.

1:21:38 So she she briefed me and it takes her about twenty five minutes, and I was I can't. I can't go into that because it's still classified. I'm not going to go into what I was briefed done. Yeah, but it was it was it pertained. It pertained to what they were doing out there as far as reverse engineering, and some of the areas had really sensitive things. And I said, okay, all right, Well I was utterly shocked by some of the things she's in a briefing. So I get the badge and she said, okay, you're clear, and she said, here's your monitor, and they give you something and you have to wear it all the time while you're out there.

1:22:18 And all I can say is it think of it as as something that they can keep track of where you're at at all times. I'll just look at that. Yeah. So like for anyone who who wants to maybe understand it, picture like an older GPS device where it it can allow them to know your location. And again, if you remember what a page yeah, I don't know if you remember Pat, Yeah, okay, it's something like that. Yeah, And you know, like you said earlier, the military always gets the technology first, especial especially the place where they're doing R and D on it, so so quickly, quickly.

1:23:11 Before I jump into the next thing, I do want to talk about that closed caption Ilian interview. I'd be remiss if I didn't bring up Bob Blazaar. Bob Blazar is a polarizing figure. But can you lend credence to any of his story? What's your Well, this is what I'll say about Bob Bazaar. He certainly wasn't there when I was there. He would have been there years later. The problem with Bob Blazar's story is he talks about S four. Okay, there is no there's no facilities on a team within Yeah, with the within it.

1:24:05 Nell's test training range is called S four. It's S two. S two is at the Papoos a lake area. I've been to S two. There's there's levels under h S two, but everyone calls them levels levels one, two, three, four, and five. They don't call them S four. Nobody that works there even today right now, we have people we're We've done a documentary uh some years ago because covid is it's going to be aired here this summer and you'll you'll know you'll hear all about S two. Anyways, their levels. Maybe we can talk about getting getting a stringer of that.

1:24:45 I would love to be able to review that and and and help you out and get the get the word out. But yeah, continue anyways, uh So, uh S two is S two the administrative control area for the underground facilities. I've never been underground. I've been to S two. I went out there to do an investigation, but I would I never have had access to go underground. So as I understand, there's five levels, but the people are there call them levels. I wear level two, level three. The badges even say levels. It doesn't say S four.

1:25:23 There's nothing that says US four out there. So now that's one problem with the ITZA our story that there's no there's Now there's a lot of things that he says that is factual. So I I don't know anything more than that. I'm not gonna say he wasn't there. He probably was, but I don't know that he worked in any classified areas because he some of the things I confronted him with. He didn't have an answer to it. There's there's a code system. Anybody who works out at Area fifty one knows what a certain letters mean.

1:26:05 And I can't talk about him, but there's four letters like ABC and D and yeah, I said you if you were out there, I said, what what is ABC and D? You immediately tell me what they've stood for? Well, Bob didn't know what they were, and anybody that had classified access would know what they meant. And and the hand scanners that you described, and you were there earlier than him, sound much more advanced than the ones that he describes. So you know, maybe there's some validity to like him being there but not having the access that that you did, or even other people who had the ability to go underground.

1:26:55 He just, like like everyone, you know, heard the the rumors on the base, and you know, after he met John Lear. You know who knows this story, Well, Theozar story, it will always be polarizing in its nature. But so you're in Area fifty one, now, you're you're you're doing your duty, and how do you come across this closed caption, this, this interview, this this you talk about it in the doctor Greer testimony. And UH, honestly, it fucking it blows my mind. So I would love you to walk me through each detail of that.

1:27:41 Okay, I was. I was conducting an investigation and on a person, and UH I had access to a number of different facilities, and one of the facilities UH at another os I agent UH that I worked with was at that facility, and and he had early in the day in the morning when we were planning what we were going to do, he said, I'm going to be over it such as such a building at such and such a time. I said, okay, I'm going to have to come over there and interview somebody. And so you did all this. And when I went to that facility, I got cleared in with my badge, and I said, I need to speak to so and so and the security checkpoint officer, the person that was controlling the gates so to speak.

1:28:31 He said, wha, he's in such and such area, he said, but I don't think you your card will get you in there. I said, okay, well let me try it. So I went down the hall and the door opened as I was about to ready to try to get my badge in there, and let me say this, there's a certain way you have to use a badge to get in, and there's something else you have to do. Anybody's been there would know it. Anyways. Anyways, Uh so I go in. The door's opening, andre's some guy coming out, and I go in, and I go in.

1:29:11 There's Oize just sitting over here, and there's there's a there's a camera, uh, and there's a recording going on. And I sit down next to him and I'm talking and I'm looking over at this and I thought, wow, what is that? He said, that's a that's an interview going on. I said, is that an ET? He said, yeah, that's an ET, And so I'd want it's a closed circuit camera. It's it's that ET. Isn't where we are at, it's another building. Yeah, but I was closed camera because I asked him, I said, is this is this live?

1:29:46 He said, yeah, it's closed circuit. I said, So I watched it for some time. I'm not really suing what I'm seeing because I'm not involved in that case. About that time, this uh lieutenant Air Force lieutenant colonel comes in and he stands right behind the room isn't very big that we were in about this other guy that I'm supposed to interview. Is it works in this building in another section. This lieutenant colonel comes in and he stands behind me, and he for just maybe twenty seconds, he said, excuse me, sir.

1:30:23 To me, he said, do you have a red do you have a certain strip on my badge clearance? He said, where's your badge at? And I said right here? He said, you're not cleared for here. Oh God. The OSI agent that was next to me, he said, oh no, no, he is, he's cleared. He's I've bouching for him. He said, he he's got to have a certain thing on his badge. He doesn't, So you have to leave. So I didn't want to argue anybody. So I got left and I said, well, I'm supposed to hear see so and so he said, you go out that door, you go down the hallway, and you go into the next door.

1:30:59 Down on your Badge'll get you in there. But you're not clear for here. So I didn't want to make a fuss and I didn't want to get in trouble. So I leave, I go down and I do my business with this guy that I'm I'm interviewing on an entire different, different case. So that's my that's what happened. That's why I was able to see camera an alien interview or interrogation or whatever they whatever you want to call it. Now from everything that you note, was there audio? There was an audio, but you you have earphones down.

1:31:35 Oh so it was one of those situations. Okay, listen, I gotta ask, do you think that that there could possibly be I think you've talked about this before. This is why I bring it up. A connection between us and specifically the Ebans or another group where they're the missing link. Maybe maybe they're the ones responsible for our creation, the doubling of our brain size in a cosmic scale, basically overnight. Of course, you know it was you know, hundreds of thousands of years, but on a cosmic scale, it was basically overnight, you know.

1:32:32 So do you think that the government found out or the military and industrial complex found out that potentially there is some sort of connection between them and us? And this is part of the secrecy because that, I mean, to be confronted with your own creator is something that I don't know if a lot of people could handle.

1:33:01 I don't know. Anything about that. I I've never been read into any type of program. I've never seen anything any classified or in classified documentary. Even if you can't, I don't know if you're allowed to speculate on something like this. But would you would that be a good reason for secrecy maybe? Do you think it's like kind of what if? Yeah? Well, okay, let's let me let me just tell you this. The EBA one who was found in a craft at Roswell or Corona actually Corona in Mexico, stayed in captivity for five years and he died the the He lived with a handling agent call and that person was an Air Force captain.

1:33:49 He was a linguist, but never did I don't think he ever learned to speak even But Linda Moulton Howell interviewed that captain years ago, back in the Agent, So she's the one could probably answer all your questions and I can't because I've never interviewed this guy. I mean, I've had many conversations with Linda Howe over the year, and she would be the one that could probably answer your question in a better way in a format than I can, because I don't know. I mean, I know that EBA one told us a lot of things about themselves, their civilization, uh, the universe as a no, how they explore the universe and so forth and so on.

1:34:39 But there's intricate parts of that that Linda Howell talks about. I've had, Yeah, I've had her on the show, and she's actually one of my topics to bring up to you because you and her had a meeting where you yeah, you had a meeting that that kind of like sparked some controversy, But I think you guys have since reconciled and now are very friendly. But we'll get to that in a minute. But so, I guess with everything that you've been exposed to, with everything that you've seen, the degree of of so a lot of us in the community we clamor for this confirmation.

1:35:30 When you when you see people like David Grush come out and talk about reverse engineering craft and like like stumbling across these programs, what what are you thinking in your head? Are you are you ready and and do you think that the world is ready for this information to start coming out? Well? Number one, he's vindicating a lot of us out here that's already talked about it for many years and he's telling In fact, I think this, well, I know one in particular. Uh what he mentioned is actually dealing with one of my reports.

1:36:14 So uh so yeah, there's there's a number one vindication number two. I think eventually, uh, disclosure is going to happen, but not in the way the public wants. They're not going to get everything they want. Uh. There's too many, too many dark sides are dark forces, I would say, Uh, in the subject of of you UFOs and E T. S or U A P s. Uh, there's there's a lot of many, many, many many ah, dark and and and dangerous paths that we found that the ETS took. I know many of them, but I can't talk about him.

1:37:01 President Reagan was briefed in to some of the dangerous things that particular race vets were doing. He immediately started the Star Wars initiative. Yeah, he started the Star Wars initiative. Wanted these these beings that were harming Americans, are harming Earthlings, to be shot on site and all sorts of different things. So we learned from the Russians that these UFOs have a very very and and I guess I want to I do want to. I'm glad you brought this up. So, I mean from Russian documents, we know that they originally were told to shoot at UFOs and then after losing several pilots like twelve to fourteen, they deduced that these uf had an incredible capacity for retaliation, and therefore they said to stop shooting at UFOs because of the risk that posed to the pilots and the people that are that are that are doing it.

1:38:15 So you know it, Uh, I can see why Reagan was all a gung ho and and and I I know you came up, you know you you you you've talked to doctor Greer. But doctor Greer kind of says that all alien species are are you know, transcending and and and they're they're all benevolent, they're all nice, they're all good. Uh in your experience, is that the case or not? Absolutely not? Okay? There are five species that we were I would breathe in on and one particular species, uh, are extremely dangerous to humans.

1:39:01 There they've harmed humans, killed humans, abducted humans, probably not only abducted them but kidnapped them, uh, you know, and missing person's type of way. They have harmed infrastructure, earthly earthly infrastructures. They've they've damaged nuclear weapons, so they're not they're not friendly. So and that you can't even call that indifference because I do think there's a difference there. There is a line between being malevolent and being indifferent, because indifferent is like it's it's whatever.

1:39:54 You know, you coexist and you know you're not particular, they're you're not. You don't have any skin in the game on whether this species lives or dies, or you know, you don't have any vested interest in it. That's indifference, and that's not what you're talking about. You're talking about they are just straight up malevolent. Yeah. Absolutely, The purposely abduct humans. They purposely do horrible experiments on them, harming them. There are a number of whistle blowers or witnesses that the Department of Defense has who would who could talk about these horrible experiences that they've gone through.

1:40:44 Women that have have had their fetus has taken they are abducted, and they leave with missing fingernails toenails. Yeah, they suffer vaginal bleeding for in an enormous amount of times or weeks, and on end they uh the vitreous fluids out of their eyes are taken was blind for ten days at a time every time it's happened. I mean horrible things that that you can't consider them benevolent. Right, What do you think? What do you think that the connection is to any of these species and our ancient cultures?

1:41:31 I know in one discussion you talked about the even having uh maybe like a tibet if I'm not mistaken a Tibetan. Of your question came in about this about uh uh like an and it had an idol of a Tibetan deity? Is there? Have these things been coming here for longer than than we've been here? Do you think? Yeah? I think they've been here for a long time, visiting us over two thousand years. I think that that was the figure that Yeah. So that the actual question is from at holding under Salinger and he says Rick has said that one even add an idol of a Nepal to bet deity.

1:42:32 What deity was it? I don't I don't know. He just had he had in a in a uh they had he had some sort of a a booklet and they had there was a book in all and even they even had had something inside the craft. It was like a manual or something, and it's all an even nobody could understand it. But they had on the in there some some picture of something. And I think eventually when we tried to we communicated with him. Uh. And I'm only getting his secondhand so that's fine, I understand. Is that when we ask the even when when he was able to understand English and understand our words, uh, do you believe in God?

1:43:30 He didn't understand what the God was. But when we explain what our definition of God was, then he more or less aligned it to a deity, different deity like a universal deity in the universe that they worshiped. Yeah, and so on this particular

1:43:53 pamphlet or whatever manual was his deity and now deity you go. If you go to Tibetan monastery, they found the same exact picture. Other people did this, and they so that they connect them with having visited Earth thousands of years ago and having the same beliefs in so much bit. Again, I'm not the expert in that area, so I'm just explaining it in the layman's terms that I was explained it. So yeah, I know, I know totally, I totally get it. I just you know, because there is you know, a big faction of people that think that there is a ties there are ties between like you know, the pyramids, right, these places, these these these places in the on earth that are seen as holy or

1:44:58 land that is sacred, right, they tend to reflect places in the stars. And if you're talking about these beings coming from the stars, right Zeta reticuli or wherever it may be, you know, for a different species apliaties oriyan serious b wherever there seems to be a connection to the ancient world. Like yeah, and it's it's it's it's weird because you don't want to take away from human ingenuity. But it's also like the pyramids, man, come on, how in the world did they do that? And did you ever ask those kind of questions when you were in in the know, like did they have any information on that kind of stuff?

1:45:54 No, I don't know who I would have asked that. That would have been compartment and information. But but but since jump up to my time at guy I've been there seven years. Johnny Enoch, who has has programs and Guya, a very good friend of mine, has visited Egypt a number of times. Uh He's investigated all different anomalies and coincidences relating to how they how they were built. Uh. I think it's pretty much, uh, there's going to be proven that the Egyptians had helped building those pyramids because there are lines certainly along certain uh latitudes and longitudes and the allies and they are they're also connected in ways to the Mayan pairmid and so I think I think it's there is connections between extra crustrials and and these pyramids and other things on Earth, not just the pyramids.

1:47:08 Uh. I think that that is a there are connections there, and uh, I just wish I I don't have the and the knowledge that Johnny Knock and many other people that have studied this subject have, but but I know I've I've spoke to Johnny. I've spent hours and hours of talking about this with Johnny overseas, and I have a new uh uh uh program called The Doughty Chronicles that's been filmed and uh, Johnny was around when I was filming these in the UK. I'm going back to film more. But and so you know, he explains it in greater details.

1:47:48 Yes, books out there and and and things. But I believe personally, my own personally is that there's a connection number one and number two that there has been a number of civilizations on Earth over our four billion year history. There are some people out there, smart people out there that can can can put us, uh, put a civilization on this planet nine hundred million years ago. Uh. There's there's remnants of radiation that goes back thousands and thousands of years. We didn't radiation, we didn't have radiation back then.

1:48:29 We never really we didn't have a bomb or anything like that. But somebody and so we connect that nine hundred million years ago. Uh. If you look at the particular evidence in Australia of that tree and some things in Indonesia and some of the things in Northern Laos, that connects extra trustial or or some kind of visitation and or a civilization on Earth. And I believe in that. I believe in that one percent. And also believe that at some point, probably during that same time period, there was life in Mars, life like we have on Mars.

1:49:09 And I strongly believe in that. And there's there's some things some things I learned while I'm in and I can't talk cool in great deal sales about but remote viewing. I've been involved in remote viewing people. I'm not a remote view but other people have, and they can remote view thousands and thousands of years and they see things that can connect to a civilization on Mars. So it is I mean, look at what we just discovered. They just discovered ice reservoirs on Mars that could sustain but if melted, could cover Mars in about a meter's worth of water.

1:49:55 So I mean, the signs are all there, right. It's it's like the dominoes are being set up for us to not only change our history books, but also the change our understanding of our place and the cosmos. I have to ask, you know, do you think that there are are there is a disclosure agenda opening in front of our eyes. I think disclosures occurred over years. Nobody wants to believe it because it's not official. Just because you don't hear it from the government, people don't believe it, or people like myself talk about it and they'll say, well, should prove it?

1:50:39 Well, you know, yeah, I have to open the break into the filing cabinets and vaults and the pentagon in other places. But other people have told their stories and people don't want to talk about it or don't believe it. But I think we've had a slow disclosure over a period of years. Now. Official disclosure is when the government comes out and says, yep, Roswell really happened. You know, we've we've had these other crashes and we've had contacts and so forth. Well, I think that's going to happen.

1:51:12 There's a draft, a disclosure draft that circulated around members of the Senate, and I'm a member of a group called Advanced Working Group that that more aligned with the Senate in the House. But this draft, which sensitive, it wasn't classified per se, was a suggestion on how disclosures should be presented. So is this the Is this the Disclosure Act of twenty twenty three? No, no, no, it's just a outline of how disclosures should happen. The Shuler Amendment Senate Amendment S six, which was to the National Defense Authorization Act, never made it.

1:52:01 A washed out version of it is in there, which is that means virtually nothing got There's so many exceptions to that. Yeah, they gutted everything anyways. That No, this is just an outline of how somebody created it and passed it around. And one the first part of this suggested disclosure would be historical got to you got to tell the American people exactly how we got involved in the subjects of the UFOs. Now it goes back forty seven. Now, I understand people are going to argue that we knew about it in forty one and thirty three and during the war.

1:52:40 But and I'm sorry again to interject, but I've always said this, Rick, we are going to have to meet the government and military halfway on this to get advancement. Because if we go in pointing fingers and you know, threatening jail time, like there's got to be some sort of amnesty project or amnesty program plus, like you know, we're gonna have to meet them halfway on some of these things. So I I you know, like you said, people are gonna argue, but we're gonna have to work with them, not against them, exactly exactly.

1:53:27 And I think this draft would would be a starter. It's gonna go back forty seven, talk about what happened then and on up. It's not gonna give any all the details. It's not going to disclose a sensitive compartment and information or special access programs. It's not going to do any of those things because there's laws against that. Uh so uh but it's gonna get let the American people know in fact, yeah, we we have had contact with extra stresstrals, We've had had crashes, we've had crafts, we had bodies, and and and but not going to any details about where or where or how.

1:54:02 But I think that's a show because the only problem I foresee with something like that is so say Trump, for instance, gets back into office and he comes out and he's the president who says all this, well, fifty of the country is not going to believe him just because he's Trump, right, And then if Joe Biden gets elected he's the one who does it, well, fifty percent of the country maybe even more, are going to say he lost his mind officially, So like they're going to have to bring a little evidence to the table.

1:54:50 I think in a draft there are some some things that they're going to present, So I think there were One of the things they suggested is the Recurry film film some other things. But then again, of course, regardless of what you give the American people or the world, there's gonna be a million questions, ask, and there's going to be a million things demanded. But they have to do this in a very structured way because they don't want to Number One, disclosed classfight information, current projects. They don't want to disclose sources or methods.

1:55:38 But they have to convince the American people will It's just exactly what you said that what we're saying, what the government is saying is fact factual, and so they have to present something that convince the American people because, like you said, I'm a political even though I have degree in political science, but I teach you know, I don't know if you know I'm a teacher. Now yeah's you teach a dance math online, and so I'm a political. I don't like to get in arguments or even discuss politics.

1:56:15 But that's a good point. What you're saying is if if Trump gets in there, you know he's going to say one thing. And people already think he's deranged and he's a I mean, other people say he's an habitual liar, and there's all sorts of negativity, but right forty American people would vote for him right now, So I mean, go figure there and buying. On the other hand, is uh, he's senile, I mean a parent so much. I mean he can't remember what he what he said and he yeah, no, no, of course, no, no offense.

1:56:59 After a speech is done, he turns around and it takes him like four or five minutes to figure out which way to go, and he just like Bob's around and weaves like like a shell in Mario Kart until he figures his way off the stage. It's it's it's honestly embarrassing. Yeah, there's a secret Service agent that that wrote a manuscript that he wanted published and he's getting a hell of a I mean, I know the guy really well and he was he's actually an Air Force and tells him officer before he came in secret Service agent, and he wants to talk about all the secrets that occurring in the White House, about Biden had been having to be let around, you can't remember where his living quarterers are and all these things that the right, it makes more sense on why cocaine was found at the White House because the the leader of the free world is being led around the house his son who is you know again, we're not going to get into politics here, we'll skip this.

1:58:07 That whole, that whole thing. But you're exactly right. So I mean it's a it's gonna be a problem. So what I think has to happen is someone we all trust comes out and does this. Someone who has a high uh position of power and someone who we trust. I don't know who that could be, but and and maybe none of the maybe maybe this you know, vivid guy, Viv. I know he's really right away but vivid uh rams away. I apologize if I'm not pronouncing that correctly, but you know he's really sharp. And you know, if if if he could get in office, uh and and you know, I think he could be a real real contender first some who brings this information forward.

1:59:01 You know, he's a young buck. That's what we need right now, is is we need to get these more geriatric uh members of Congress, the Senate. I get these younger people in because the world is is the world is literally changing around us every single day, and we have people in Congress that we're around when computers didn't exist. Like that. Guys, come on, come on, but back to back to you. Uh so with Gaya with with Gaya, what do you what do you got going on? You know, while we while we wrap up this is I would love to have you know, many more conversations with you.

1:59:47 Uh, this is just scratching the surface. But you know what, what's you said? You're shooting the Doughty Chronicles. Can you can you give us a brief overview what that is and what people can expect from it and what you do with Gaya. Yeah. The Doughty Chronicles is incidents that I knew about or were investigated during my time in intelligence, or information that I gathered from other sources, for instance a Naval Navy admiral who has contributed a lot of information for the Doughty Chronicles. And I'm going to eventually do about thirty of them, maybe more than that, and where I sit in front of the camera explaining an incident that happened while I was in intelligence during my intelligence career woo as a Doughty Chronicles, maybe there's about six or eight out right now.

2:00:52 I'm going to make up to thirty, probably more than that, and then Gaya. I have over one hundred episodes a guy right now, and I'm going to start filming the spring episodes for Cosmic Disclosure with Embery Smith beginning next month. So I have those two things going on. I'm still trying to write a book. I've written written a book. It was written, but I submitted it for approval and they they took about half of it out, telling me I can't write, I can't disclose it. But so this challenge that this is that same process that like crushes has to go through the jobs there.

2:01:35 Yes, yeah, and so I've rewritten some of it and uh, but you know the problem with with that method or that system is a lot of the information I'm talking about it's already out there in the public, and I'm just saying it over again and and and they're saying, no, you can't say because it's classified. Well, it's already out there in the public, so why can't I say it in the book. So anyways, I got a really pretty good attorney costs a lot of money, but he's pushing that. He's at Washington based attorney and he knows ins and outs of this, and so you know, he hopefully I can get this approved here in the next month and a half two months, and it would be published by the middle of summer, probably beginning or middle of summer.

2:02:30 Yeah, and then you get that at the documentary that's coming out. So yeah, there's a documentary now. It was made by a production company out of Los Angeles. We started it back in twenty nineteen, but because of the COVID we had to delay it for a year in filming. And it's all about Area fifty one inside and outside. We have some very good sources of information, people talking about things that and and it's going to really really bring out the phonies because the people claim claim to have been there and claim to work there, This documentary documentary is going to prove that they didn't they didn't work there, because they have We have the entry control logs for area for the Knell's tested training range from January first, nineteen seventy nine to December thirty first, nineteen ninety Every single human being that worked in that test range Area fifty one, Papoos and other places around there other is on that.

2:03:49 And so people who claim, hey, I worked there and I did where why why is your name on this? And then of course we're going to go through some uh, some confrontations where we did with people who claim they weren't there and asking them questions about okay, what does abc D mean, no, I don't know what is what is cipher lock and what is and other things that you have you would have to know or what does the strike mean? What does the incode decode system? Uh? Things like that that unless you work there, you know it's basically it's separating the wheat from the shaft.

2:04:32 Yeah, that that's that's absolutely genius. And the the ability that that you have your the the that's just really cool that you have that document and you also have the knowledge of the base so that you can kind of wean out the people that that that you're not even you don't have to weigh their time with them. If they can't answer these three basic questions about working there, then boom onto the next right, So that that that saves you so much time an effort. So, yeah, that's that's it. Does this documentary you haven't named yet, does it?

2:05:19 No, here's one of the problems we have. When we started filming it. We asked permission from the Commander of Nalla's Tests and Training Range, a general out of Nella's Air Force Base, and he gave us. He gave the company, the film company, authorization to film. But there's a lot of restrictions that they gave to us, and one of the restrictions we couldn't film within a certain distance from the perimeter. Well, we filmed some things and we got caught filming him and they took the film away from us, and and we had to get it back and we had to go to Federal Core.

2:05:58 And so there's a there's a there's there's a legal problem there. But I think we've I think we've settled. I think the company, the production company, has settled most of that. So I don't I don't. I don't think that there's gonna be a problem. But it's gonna be, uh, you know, we had a couple of different names about it. It's gonna be the the real, the real story about Area fifty one something that that effect because we're we have we have the former chief of security for the entire test range on camera talking about things.

2:06:35 He doesn't go any great details about classification there or I mean classified things, but he does talk about UFOs. He does talk about UFOs and when we have the commander, now, the chief of security was a civilian. The commander was a full bird colonel and he was in charge of S two and he's still alive and we have him, and he's going to talk about this too. He can't talk about what goes on and S two, but he can say that everything in S two was not made on this earth. We got it from someplace else.

2:07:12 He can he's not. But he's also talking about all the phony people who claim to work there that he knows that he didn't work there. And like I said, so this is four letters and asking what these four letters meant. Everybody that worked at papoos knew what these four letters meant. And they knew exactly the procedures the incode and decode and card system to get in there. And it didn't have anything to do with the hands. That that lizarre. That is something else right right, And I now I can't wait to see this because it's now Is this going to be coming out through Gaya?

2:07:54 No? No, no, it's going to become through Netflix or to be some some other Okay, well no, yeah, keep me posted on that because I would love to get my end on an early copy and uh write a review for our website and uh do ah do a spoiler free review and promote it for you guys, because that that that that's that's I mean, that's a that's that's a big project and that you know, that's gonna make some waves in the community, and uh that I can't wait to see that. But Richard Rick, thank you so much for doing this today, taking the time out of your data to sit with me and have this conversation.

2:08:43 And I really look forward to to having more conversations with you, because dude, you're really just a down to earth guy and someone who's really easy to talk to. And you know, there's there's more questions I have for you, but we're already at the you know, past two hour marks, so I'll part ended here for now, but it's safe to say that I would love to have you back on Well. Thank you, Tyler. It was fun being on your show, and I I would I would be glad to come back to the next invitation. Yeah, we get and we can get more into you know, like like I said, past the surface and and start really digging into some of these certain cases and you know the validity of one versus the other,

2:09:30 uh, because you could you know, you're you're very, very, very knowledgeable when it comes to these kind of things. So and keep doing what you're doing Rick, I think you're I think you're a tremendous asset to the community and to to to to the truth that's that's about to be revealed. So with that being said, guys, make sure like share, subscribe, and if you're listening on Apple or Spotify, leave the show a review. It's free and it helps us with our algorithm, uh and getting to wider, bigger audiences.

2:10:02 And with that being said, uh, you know what it is, we'll see you next time. Thank you Richard Dodi for being here again. Uh. We couldn't we we we we couldn't have done it without you today. And uh, this is a really really this one I got to cross off my bucket list. So for me it means a lot. Thank you, Thank you very much. Teas A did ten a musical