#112 KALEB BENCH: Return of "THE SECRET OF SKINWALKER RANCH"

0:00 We're finding stuff with this equipment that when we go out and we talk with other parties who've been using this technology for twenty plus years, like Pete and he's going, have you ever seen this before in any of your equipment? And they're all going, no, what are you doing? Right? You know, it's where yeah, yeah, yeah, where are you doing this stuff? And now I think where is this coming from? Because yeah, this does not look yeah. And so that's what's been really fun is seeing again the third party experts coming out even today and the equipment that they're willing to bring or the updated equipment from the past model.

0:43 So it's even better than what we did before, right, and this stuff still gets us those these crazy results. All right, guys, welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name is Ty I'm the host of the show, and we're here tonight with one of my favorite guests and he was actually one of my first guests here on Total Disclosure, Caleb Bench, who is a part of the show of Skinwalker Ranch Caleb Bench, and he's just a great guy. We're gonna get some insight from him what to expect from this season season five histories.

1:29 I believe number one show if not number two show, and with their new spin off Beyond Skinwalker Ranch, there's just so much content that the boys are kicking around. So we're gonna get Caleb in here just now and we'll be talking to him. Today's show is brought to you by identity of Herbels by a Mind, So we'll be playing that clip a little bit later. For now, let's welcome mister Caleb Bench. How are you doing, brother good? How are you doing? Ty? I'm doing you know, I'm doing I sometimes uh these So right after Thursday night, I recorded my interview with Grant Lovac and I went to bed and then I started waking up every hour on the hour, and it like I was waking up in like apocalypses and yeah, yeah, it was like the weirdest thing too, Like it was it was a fresh new horror each time I went to bed.

2:34 And then as I woke up, each time I could feel like something was not right, something wasn't right, like not. And I have crones, so I'm very used to pain. St like pain pain. Anyone with the stomach disorder will tell you that. I mean stomach discomfort. Stomach pain is uh is. It takes the cake, and man, I wasn't I just I couldn't even move. I stood up Friday morning, I felt I fell over and the dog like had to come over to me. It was terrible. It was I I don't recommend it to anybody. Nine out of ten dentists do not recommend COVID.

3:22 So don't don't get it, guys. It was terrible. Uh. And I'm still I'm still hazy. But let's let's not waste too much time. Uh. You've been busy, uh over this past summer with filming obviously the new season, overall overall hot things go. You know, a lot of people have a lot of expectations because it's like where can you go from here? Kind of thing? And Uh, I guess there's one question I can't wait to get to. But I think there's something lingering and you know, uh that that we just we we hope and I I can't wait to talk about that with you.

4:09 So you haven't made any discoveries of alien technology, uh in the MESA formally, so I'm assuming Uh No, No, no UFOs were found on property. No, not yet. Yeah, I can say that, but we did find some really interesting The search continues, Uh, and will continue this year to the best of my knowledge at this time. Yeah, well that's that's what I mean. Yeah, really season up until season four, I think a lot of people, you know, so the the real the build, so the building up towards

4:53 or build from season four at least onward. Uh, is what's going on inside the Mesa. And I think a lot of people want to know, like, you know, are we going to get closer to answering that question this year? So I didn't mean that like you didn't do it yet, But that's that's what's on a lot of people's mind. And I think the series it looked, you know, the you know, you guys have the name plate each year, this one is the Mesa on it, I believe. So it seems that the series is aiming at the at the Mesa a lot.

5:33 Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of focus on the Mesa. I can tell you spent. I can tell you we spend a lot of time filming season five in regards to what's going on in the Mesa. And we had some really crazy stuff happen in regards to drilling itself and some surrounding activity as well. Because we're not just when we're drilling, We're not just we're not just waiting for the drill, right, which we do that a lot, but we're going, Okay, what else can we fill our time with? And so we're trying to do some other stuff and and we came up some pretty interesting ideas.

6:09 So, and I will say kind of a little teaser that one of the things that actually made me a little bit more creeped out and actually or actually like took a little step back thinking about stuff happened when we were drilling. Really so yeah, it was something that really made me go, you know, kind of go oh geez. Yeah, that was crazy. That was if it's what we think it was, it was, that's it was dangerous. And I've been told they're going to show that situation. And and I actually have a something that happened to me a couple of years ago that I think is very similar to so uh and when that comes out, I'll talk I'll be able to talk about it a little bit more.

6:59 Yeah, well, so it sounds it sounds. I mean, I I just deducing. I think I I can not. I mean not that I think I'm a wizard or anything, but uh, I think I might know the track that you're talking about, and uh if if Yeah, So there's just a lot of mystery that that that mesa holds. And I think, you know, even since episode one, you know, I remember Brandon showing Travis the clip in in the office in the in the Salt Lake City office of the light over the mesa. That's still one of my favorite sightings UFO sightings that that's documented because just because the way it looks, the way it the way it comes over the mesa like it's it's eerie, and those kind of things continue to happen over that mesa.

8:00 And you know, the naysayers was saying nay, But you guys have been out there to date. How many UFO sightings have you had, either on or off camera? Oh? A lot. You're gonna see some new ones obviously this next upcoming season. Obviously Is it that obvious at this point? Yeah, you're with some with some of the stuff. It's I think it's at this point it's so hard to refute, I think. And I was actually going through some photos on my phone and I don't even know if they're going to show this this one.

8:34 So I'm excited because there's It's just one of those things that we've kind of talked about over the last couple of years as a team. Is there so much going on a lot of times when they're filming, and like we forget a bunch of the surrounding stuff. And so like a personal project that I've been doing to try and show that is I've been working on a book and kind of it's kind of like a journal, if you will, is kind of how I'm doing this, where it's just like, you know, this happened, say twenty eighteen and then and I was on the ranch first twenty seventeen.

9:16 Halloween was my first day, right, and so and I'm kind of going from there and just trying to go through and put things in order as best as I can remember. And I got a bunch of photos and I've got a bunch of videos and stuff that kind of do that. And what I'm trying to do is like show this all these things in chronological order. Is in like a journal might sound like a police report a little bit too, just because that's how I'm so used to typing things now, but it's it's just most things so like and that's kind of coming back to the mm hmm.

9:58 This example of something that happens in season five when we're out drilling. It was broad daylight when this thing happened. Okay, can I ask you this? I won't. We won't. I'm not trying to get you in trouble with history. Was but was it a moment like let's say, let's say from zero to ten, is you know something zero is so mundane? You know, lights in the lights in the distance too, like a shatter of reality. To ten, there's potentially some of that. So there's a there might be a ten there, I I think, So there's still some stuff we're trying to wrap our heads around that.

10:58 I didn't just have one thing. It was multiple things. So this is an event that happened to multiple people, not just so this event that I'm in that I'm referencing to while we were drilling. It was again it was broad daylight. And it's pretty damn hard to refute any thing that happened there. I saw this myself. It was again, this is broad daylight,

11:26 and it was something physical as well. Is all I can say at this point. But this is the thing. Is one of the pieces that you see that I'm sure if they got up in close and personal on this stuff. I think it's something that I experienced personally a couple of years ago. And I don't want to give too much way there, but essentially it was one of the injuries that I've had out there. Yeah, and so but when again this is again this was broad daylight, and I'm I don't know how much of it they're gonna show, because again, there was so much stuff going on, and when we finally kind of realized, oh, this is something serious, like there were all these other things that happened, so it's pretty yeah, and that again that was just one thing, and

12:26 yeah, it's just this whole next season is gonna be it is gonna blow people's minds away. And and then kind of coming back why I'm trying working on the project that I'm doing. I've been debating on do I wait till season five comes out and then go through and talk more about some of that stuff, or do I just go up to like I'd go to season five, right, and if you're saying that it's this much of a game changer,

12:54 and if you truly feel that way, then I would wait because you know, of course the show is doesn't seem to be slowing down in any of its efforts, So you'll always have that same excuse in your head, you know, should I wait? Should I wait? Should I wait? Should I wait? You know, So I'd say season five might be a good point to say, let's let's do this. Yeah, you know, And that's my thought is, uh, I've been out there now six seven years, and I feel like, you know, after last after this time period, I've had so many experiences off the off camera on camera.

13:41 Some of them are some pretty disturbing ones are off camera, so I'll have testimony of it. And that's I was gonna say that that that Another thing that you know, we've you and I've talked about is a lot of the stuff that you've done that is off camera just because something else is going on or this and that, or it was just wrong time, wrong place, And you know it's like, guys, remember we're there for this many hours, but we're only rolling for this many like things go on all day, so yeah, and you don't catch everything.

14:21 No, So like I'll give you an example. This just happened to me a couple of weeks ago on the ranch. Eric and I were the only two on the property at that time. It was still kind of cold out here January February time frame. It's been a lighter winter though, so it has been too terrible. But still it's just me and Eric and I go out and I take my computer. I take a bunch of stuff with me, because when I'm out on the ranch, I do a bunch of different stuff. There's some other personal projects that I work on and things like that when I'm in loud to doing like the security stuff out there.

15:01 But essentially, I walk into homestead one where I'm going to have my security office at this point, and I set my computer down, I set all my stuff down, and I go back out to my truck to grab some water or something. And I walk back in and i'd set my computer. I have like a laptop fan thing that I set my computer on top of the help it keep cool, you know, kind of thing. But I just set everything there on the table. I hadn't plugged it in or anything like that. And I walk in and my laptop's open and it's off, and so I'm like, this is one of the things that we described to all the time, like things move, stuff like this happens where we're like, did I like open that before I walked out?

15:54 Yeah, so there's that other story about the glasses, right, Yeah, so same exact thing, like I lost my sunglasses and then three days later I'm walking in and they're sitting on the steps walking in that you've walked past nine hundred times and yeah that you weren't there. Yeah, and

16:18 it wasn't just me that walked by there. Someone would have picked them up, right, It's so buddy, Yeah, they were right. And so I'm sitting here going, Okay, you gotta be kidding me. And then

16:32 I want to say that was actually in conjunction to something that Eric experienced within a couple of days or something like that, like a day or two, and he was actually having an interaction with some of the insiders talking about that specific type of phenomena that we experienced. Yeah, it was so the night before that happened, Eric was talking with a bunch of the insiders on our website about there's one of the stories way back in the Sherman days where the wife is experiencing this type of stuff and the same building that this happened with my laptop, by the way, where she's bringing in like groceries and she's putting them away, and then she walks out and walks back in, and all the groceries are back in the backs type of thing, and she's going, what is going on?

17:21 Am I losing my mind? Right? And then what happens. And the story that Eric was relating to the insiders was where the farmer's out or the rancher and he's fixing fence and he's got one of these mechanica mechanical posthole digger, so this seems like seventy five pounds, and he sets it down someplace and goes to fix some other fence or do something, and then comes back in the post hole digger's gone or the post hole pounder, I can't remember which exactly, but he then comes in and he's mad. He's like, okay, who moved it?

17:56 You know? His at that time he had nephew living there, and I think one of his own kids or something. But essentially, all these people are sitting around the dinner table that night and he comes in and the ranch is mad. He's like, I'm trying to get work done, you know, and who's moving my stuff? And everyone's like no, and this actually prompts the wife to you know, that you're not the only one experiencing this kind of stuff. And he's like what, And you know, because these are at that time, you know, the earth people that are just trying to make living and work in their ranch, right, so they've been kind of putting stuff outside their mind, like no whatever.

18:34 And but essentially, like a couple of days later, he finds this piece of equipment like up in a tree. And I'm not talking like a little twenty foot tree, these these giant cotton ones that we have out here on the ranch. You know, these things are sixty feet tall. So it's and and then kind of come back to what I experienced with my laptop, and like Eric was talking about that kind of thing like the night before with these other with the insiders, and so it was just one of those things like that kind of thing.

19:07 Yeah, this is a great word for it. And it's actually been one of those things that we've talked to as about as a team. And that's the game why we're doing the website to be able to talk about this and give more of that full picture to everybody, right right. And then another you know, and that's the game. Why I'm working on that on my book, I guess because there's so much stuff that now it's like put yourself in the position of that you experience something and you never know if you're going to experience it again and then and sometimes it takes year, weeks or months ory at this point, sometimes years for some of this to come together.

19:52 And that's where I've been really excited because there's gonna be some stuff you guys see in season five that for me was very personal because I experienced something like twenty eighteen and all I have is a story at this point. But now some of the stuff that we're going to be showing is actually I think evidence that ties back to some of that stuff. Oh well, I really actually I really look forward to diving into that and what that is when it when it comes out, of course. Yeah, And that again comes back to this one thing that I'm thinking of in regards to drilling that personally that happened to me too, so I think they're connected that way.

20:44 Well, So how much drilling? How much drilling did you guys do this year? I mean, was that but so was it one project that was spread out throughout the whole season or is it multiple uh various site site starts points. I'm sorry, I'm too many little here? Where was it that kind of thing? Because I think, you know, people want to know if uh, you know, you guys really focused on it or are you guys kind of still trying to figure out where you want to go in from and how is it going to be feasible? You know, are you are you drilling sideways now

21:36 rather than in? So I'm not going to go to end depth on some of that stuff, but I'll say what I will say, multiple locations. We we did explore multiple locations. We're still trying to like what we said in season four, We're still trying to do like a like a present precision search right now. So it's not like we're doing crazy excavation or anything like that. But I will say at the drill site, it was pretty intensive and we were there for quite some time. And you're listening to a lot of that. Have you guys, why haven't you why I've been dying to ask this that there's some sort of the cave system on the branch.

22:30 Why have so? Is there a reason you guys haven't explored it more? On the show the cave system the Yeah, so they brought Carl the Crusher into it. Okay, so that's actually something that we're still trying to confirm at this point. Is Okay, we've gotten some information and we do have some evidence that show potential cave systems, right, so it's still still hypothetical. Yeah, so technically it's still hypothetical at this point. But that's again why we're doing some of these, uh some of these exercises and more in depth that we're what you're going to see this upcoming here too.

23:14 I was gonna say, because you know who knows where those lead and if they can get you closer into where you're trying to get to, and I don't know if I don't know if that's how it lines up where it could be possible, but you know it could be worth exploring, you know. Yeah. So, and what I'll say too is like I just noticed a comment, and this guy's correct. I think it was up at Maconkie Ranches where Carl the Crusher actually went. But was it not even on that I don't think so. So. And Carl he's a good friend.

23:50 I know he's been doing a lot of work at Mount Wilson Ranch down Mount Wilson. Yeah, they found some pretty cool stuff this last year. He told me so, And I've been trying to get down there, but it just hasn't worked out just yet to go do some work with Carl on that. But what I can say is the basin as a whole, there are a lot of underground water systems that we do know about, so and we do know something like that is underneath the ranch. But to say that there's like caves or something that like what people are thinking of, I'm sure in their mind is like something that we can go walking down.

24:31 I know, we've got a lot of stories of people that walk into these caves and they can go for hours and hours, right and they're just walking down the stomachs. We haven't found anything like that. We have found some pockets, if you will, and some of our exercises, but nothing that we've been able to get really get into like that. There have been there are some things. I would say, we have some good leads at this point, but you're and you're going to see some of that process of what we're trying to do with some of that.

25:06 But I can tell you in some of the surrounding area. I have been in caves that are in the basin, and again, this isn't just obviously Skinwalk Branch is a big focal point. But again, like if anybody basin in general, Yeah, the Basin in general has a lot of stuff going on. I've been on multiple hikes and multiple tracks or if you will, and exploratory hikes with some good friends like Tom. I've gone up with Tom. You're gonna bring me on one right when I come right, and you're going to bring me on the You ever make it out here, I'll fly out tomorrow.

25:46 This week will be a little bit hard. I'm kind of being stay at home dad this week. So I know, you actually told me that. That's so cute. Man. Uh, I'm so glad for you. Yeah, I'm so glad things are working out for you. Yeah. So I think there's actually this big I you know, it just dawned on me. Did awaken and get canceled? Yeah? So I just found out myself on Friday. Yeah, it's kind of it's very disappointing. It's not a terrible April Fool's joke like some people are thinking. Yeah, from my understanding, and I don't I don't know other from you know, some secondhand information at this point is that there was some IP issues that came up and they're trying to work on getting some of that resolved.

26:38 From my from some of the information I've been given, so there's still a possibility that'll it'll come up. So I'm not sure though, Well, yeah, because I saw that and it was like literally like the headline was, hey, this is not an April Fool's joke, like please don't interpret like, you know, because a lot of my friends in the UK, we're really excited. Yeah, So I'm sure, like when I'm gonna get I'm gonna speak with Tom again sometime this week, and we're always thinking what what can we do? And and so I'm i'm sure with some of the success that they had because Tom and Travis and American Bryant they went on some like a mini tour last November in some American cities and they had a lot of success there.

27:33 So I'm I'm I'd love We've all talked about that we'd love to be able to go over and see the fans in the UK or Australia because I we know we have a huge following over there, and you know, we've had we've we've had people I've personally spoken to people at the front gate from Australia and from other countries because of what they're seeing on the show, and people are spending all this money to come and see us, and I'm like, you know, I think it's a disservice to those people and the fans over in these other countries that if we were able to get over and try to do some events for them, if we don't do it, you know.

28:18 So it's a thing that you know, like even I'd say every UFO podcast, at least every good one, the top three or four countries are always United States, the UK, Australia, and Canada. They're always there. So you know, North America, yeah, it's always number one in ratings and all like that. But these other countries have huge markets for it too, And you guys are just as big around the world. I mean, so you guys are History's number one show, right, Yeah. I believe we're number one now, I have been for a couple of years.

29:03 I think I know that for a year or two we were kind of bouncing or kind of trading places with Oh Island was it or something, and yeah,

29:15 yeah, we're at We're the we're at now. We're the biggest show that they have right now. I know, I know we're big in like Brazil and South America. We've we had a couple of people during Phenomicon come up that we're from South America and they were all telling us everybody goes nuts for it down there too, Like everybody's talking about it down there, which I wish i'd Spanish, I'd go down there too, you know. Well, I uh, Phenomicon's and other that's one that I have on my list this year as a as a as a I won't miss opportunity.

29:52 So I can't wait to hear about here about that and uh so, and that's going to be so much fun because of all the stuff that's coming out in season five. Yeah, that's I'm super excited. So so you and I decided that we're gonna do a little segment and I was going to uh test you on your knowledge JOm, just kidding. I would never do that to anybody. So we're going to watch the trailer for season five and then we're going to kind of go through it and uh, you know, not shot for shot, but kind of react to it in the so it the interview, soh my god, the show, Yeah, I have covid brain.

30:37 The show airs April twenty third, episode one, right, so everyone can gear up for that by rewatching either this interview or this trailer. So can you hear it? Yeah? We are on the cusp of discovery the Secret of skin Ranch. The world is watching this season on this Secret of Skinwalker Ranch.

31:06 We need to flux Skinwalker range with instruments. Maybe we send one point ghurts. Any this is unlike any experiment we've done before. Doctor coming down. Oh my god, is there some visible force causing this to happen? What is inside the mesa? It's like jelly. I don't know what the hell that is? The data chows the triangle. It could be a wormhole. No wait, I don't think the public is ready for. What you got is the military letting us know we're being watched, that they know something we don't. What is that?

31:43 The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch new season premiere is Tuesday, April twenty three to ten. A part of History Strange and Unusual only on the History Channel. All right? Allow, so that ish

32:00 that is so so First thing that registered was was that a jumbo jet coming over the MESA or was that? So? I mean I could freeze frame that and zoom in, so I'll find out no matter what. So if you if you don't want to, if you if you can't, say, it's okay. Now. So that was a clearly marked and nighted States Air Force. Uh, seventeen is what I've seen in the comments. You know, it's it was new enough. It didn't have the turbine engines that I used to seeing on a lot of like C type cargo planes like that.

32:45 It was jet engines on it, and it was it was very quiet. Yeah, I mean obviously you know you're over The editing team didn't overlay on it, and they probably muted all the clips, but yeah, I didn't hear any propellers or anything like that. I'd be really really interested to see when that happens, because now we've gone from two kind of obscure but overd nighttime flyovers two now broad daylight. Yeah, so you know this is so

33:28 I would say that there's definitely been some that are make the hair stand up on our next little bit, So like the one where last year or season four when we launched the rockets and we kind of kind of map the blob if you will, with the high speed cameras. Yeah, and then we had the two black Hawks or the black Hawk come in right that. That was definitely one of the nice that we were like, Okay, what's going on. And when we got a little bit more information on it, it was basically we were told, don't ask about it.

34:05 You're not going to get an answer. It's kind of like the the answer that we got these daylight ones. I think that's more guys having fun. Personally, I did this when I was in the military, when I wrote in helicopters, you know, once or twice. So I think the ones during the daytime are the ones that our guys going, hey, it's gid walk a ranche, let's go fly. You know. That's my personal thought on it. And because they're like why not, and do you think you do you think? I mean, I honest to god, I'd say I'd say there's a good chance some of them watched the show, so they know you're filming in the summertime, so why not.

34:51 But but to come that low down, Yeah, that's where I'm like, either I don't know if they can do that, yeah, you know some of the aircraft unless Yeah, and then that's where I'm like, that is one of those things, you know, is that one very low. I know that there's one thing that they do with some of those bigger jets at times if they're looking at doing some kind of operation in an areas, they'll fly them in and they'll go low and they know how short of a runway they need and if it's relatively flat they can do it.

35:30 Yeah, and you know, something like that. They don't care if there's fences or something like that. So it is one of those things like it's not outside that realm of possibility. I'm not saying that, but I think a lot of them are doing it because they're they enjoy the show too, and they're you know, and they're having fun, and so it is one of those things when we don't know for sure, and it's where we can go back through and we can track where they're coming from and things like that. You know, So like chinooks, those so chinooks.

36:05 People need to understand. Chanooks can be in the air for a long time. In fact, when you're in Afghanistan or Iraq, there were QRF teams or quick reaction force teams that they were in the air for hours and hours and hours waiting for a call. And those chinooks can get anywhere you know, like that within a very short amount of time, and they have the fuel capacity to fly across the country. But like your smaller aircraft blackhawks, apaches, things like that, they don't have that dwell time. So and you know, I will say to answer this question, I saw there is a big training area in northern Utah southern Idaho that is a specific specifically for like special forces.

36:56 There's a lot of places up there that they go and do training it so we know that they could have come from there, and so it is one of those things I you know, I can just give you the best idea based off my experience of having been when I was in the military at times and then with the police and stuff. So right, I mean, I wonder, you know what the connection always is, h I think, I I think you know, naturally, I always wonder, like did Bigelow run into the same And that's why kind of is frustrating he never shared any of the data, you know, not because like did he run into these same kind of issues where the military was you know, you know, pushing the line or I think I think in Bigelow's side, he was a little bit more tight into it.

37:54 He was, I was gonna say he was more tied into it. But other branches that didn't know what was going on because you know, he was I think, I think, you know, they were a special no where they know, they didn't get special access prom program status. So no, yeah, so yeah, it could be right, be right. See that's the thing too, is like people need to remember, like at least this is how it should be with in regards to the military, they have specific areas that they are allowed to train it and do anything.

38:25 Obviously airspace is a little bit different, but actually boots on the ground interacting with say private property and things like that, that's not just something they go on out and just do whatever they want kind of thing. And military actic areas that they are able to go and actually do things in. So like for example, I was on tanks, there were there's only like four or five areas in the country where we're allowed to shoot our main guns, you know, just because of the range and the power that some of these projectiles are going.

39:04 So like you know, theoretical if you have a M one A one at max elevation with the sable round in that thing's going like twenty thirty miles and they literally stop training and will put a little piece of equipment in that gun barrel and do the math and they go find that round. But again that's where there's only certain areas where they're clear to shoot that kind of ordinance. There's only like two or three ranges to my knowledge where actual like bombers can actually do their entire payload kind of thing.

39:38 Like, there's certain areas that they're allowed to do that. Why because of the chance of an errant round going somewhere it's not supposed to you know, so right, Yeah, it's just in that jelly, the jelly like stuff that dragon pulls out of the of this stuff so that you know it looks like, uh, you guys find it in a similar way that you found uh that black material in in the in the making with the sieve and water and pumping that out and going through the spoils. That's how we found it. And this is what is cool is it's not what everybody was I'll say, is uh, it's not what everybody was hoping, but it does give us the information that is there is still going Okay, why and what and how, especially with how far in we were, So it's it only adds to the mystery of what's going on still.

40:49 But I'm when we can actually go in and then when people see what we're doing in regards to that, I'm We're we're obviously going to have plans to expand on that this year. So yeah, I gotta I gotta ask you a personal question. Do you think that this so Travis? So, Travis is quoted a lot as saying that the triangle uh is some sort of uh, what do you call wormhole? Now, people people like you know, the people I'm talking about, uh, that that like freak out because he says it that that it's even like that, if it's even remotely possible that that even could have a standing chance as being the answer.

41:49 So in this he said multiple seasons, he said it in multiple seasons this season, does there is there anything that like that actually definitively would point us that way? Or is because the other two couple of times it's been mentioned, I would even say that it was kind of a like the when the chalkboard moment when he pulls it off the chalkboard, when he switches the chalkboard. Yeah, I was like, all right, made for TV. Maybe I don't know, but so jump ahead. Yeah. So I will just say Travis is a character.

42:32 I get it. Yeah, I love Travis it. So I will say this in regards to the triangle and multiple things or multiple experiments that we had this during season five, and what you're gonna see, it's it's gonna again. This is one of those things where it's so hard to wrap my head around. But I think that you're going to be surprised when when you think about that question here and and and this is coming again coming from multiple experiments

43:19 and multiple resort results from multiple sources, and yeah, and and and actually one of those one of the crazy results we get. Uh you actually see a part of that in the trailer with the with the drones and and you see it right there shift. Yeah. And so I've never done that before. No, not well, not at these numbers. No, No, not not at the like that's honest. See, that's what I've always been waiting for. Yeah, that's what everybody's you know. And that's so when you see a bunch of the information and when we and when we really get a deep dive into that night, it's gonna it'll freak people out just because of the implications and technology wise, the information that you're gonna that's gonna come out in regards to which drones fill out of the sky and why, and and again this comes back to something we've talked to about before in regards to the GPS systems and the other systems that our entire world runs off of, you know, and so there's gonna be some stuff there that again is pretty pretty creepy and and dang right fascinating.

44:49 And then some of the information that you see in regards to a bunch of the tests and other information in regards to we had Pete Kelsey come out again with a bunch of equipment, you know, a lot of this technology that's been out on the ranch before, and and the results that we got on that side, it's it's it's I'm oh, I'm dying. I'm then to be able to tell people and and really have that discussion. So but yeah, and you see it right there, that night was crazy. I'm surprised that they actually showed that one.

45:27 Right now, just because they were like what they've been wanting to sit on that one and people like you see I think I think it was you see Eric like kind of ducked down, like like they're about to fall out of the sky onto him. Yeah. So that Yeah, that's a pretty video right there, That video right there with Tom where he's down. Yeah. So that was Tom with Preston and a couple of the other drone guy is one of the drones went down underneath the the tent there and was like flying around. Those things are make no mistake people, those things those are those are industrial drones, right, yeah.

46:14 So these things are anywhere from three to five pounds. Yeah. Yeah, So there was a reason why Tom was ducking and like, yeah if it if it clips you, it's gonna it's going to hurt. Oh yeah. Those the the fit are the propellers. Yeah, the propellers, they'll cut you up pretty good. So yeah, yeah, it was that if we told them if that's not a two episode thing, right, because there's so much going on. Yeah, and that I think that's another thing is we we always address when we when we talk, is they you guys film, you guys film an entire summer's worth of content, and the content is is then handed to an editing team.

47:07 You don't really have a say in what gets to put out or the way it's structured, and you know, so you when it comes out, the final product is even a surprise to you. And that's how it is for a lot a lot of people, a lot of shows. It's it's not something new in Hollywood, but it is, you know, for for some people. I guess that's why becoming an insider would be their best bet. Mm hmm. Yeah. So we do obviously have a lot more discussions as a team live with a bunch of our insiders, and there's a bunch of them on here right now, and they'll they'll they'll tell you this is it.

47:57 And I know where we're going through and actually doing some updates to the website right now, and so there's gonna be some new changes coming out. And I know this is some new information at this point, so I don't know how much. I can't really talk about it yet, but I know we are doing some updates. We are going to be doing some new stuff with the website itself. But the website is the idea has always been where we can have more of an interaction with people who are interested in the science,

48:27 and we're gonna and we're looking at trying how can we improve that and be able to get more information out that way kind of thing. But yeah, it's just all this stuff that's been going on out here, and in regards to how that works with our production company and how they show things and what they show, I know that they're they're in more contact with Eric and Travis because they do want to make sure that they present how we're doing the science correctly, and so they do listen to Eric and Travis in that regard, and there's things that like, you know, you're hitting it on the head.

49:07 There's times where they're going through and editing the episodes right and they try to go through and talk to Eric and Travis and incorporate what they're talking about. And I know they do send Eric and Travis some stuff to review so it and and Eric and Travis then give them feedback. So I don't know how far that goes or well. There's also those the the other things that Travis has to do after you guys wrap on whatever production you do on site, because Travis is always like narrating certain things that he wouldn't be able to unless it was after the fact.

50:01 So so he he They they probably bring him in multiple times for multiple different things. Uh. And there's yeah, and and and in that process, like Travis, it's not like he's watching in reference to what that is. He's in a from my understanding, he's in like a sound studio recording. Yeah, yeah, or he's interviewed and like kind of going through that mm hmm. And and he was just you know, he's reading basically the narration of it. Yeah, it's like it's like having a chapter of a book and trying to read the book or or understand the book.

50:39 So again it's it's only one piece of information. So and that's how they keep it. Hollywood is just as I hate to say it, Hollywood is justice compartmentalized as the UFO topic in general. So, uh, don't get it twisted. But some of the So would you say this year was a little more what would you say it went up or down in terms of paranormal and otherworldly activity? Definitely more, definitely out, I guess, definitely a lot more. Yeah, uh yeah, the yeah, yeah, I'm like I said, I'm glad it was over right.

51:30 Like I said kind of in our private conversation earlier, I'm still trying to wrap my head around some of this stuff. And just because of the implications of what it is. Five years in and you're still and something just happened to make you feel this way. See, that's that's that's that's the enigma of this of this ranch, in this hot spot, in this place, in this phenomenon. Uh is, even when you think you've scratched the surface, you don't know anything right, and it likes to remind you, uh and you know, I know that you have used to have You're very big into the your or still are into your faith.

52:23 Right, So how is how has been how is doing this show either changed altered or uh facilitated and and uh continued your faith? Well, I haven't seen anything that I would say changed it in like a negative way. It just really makes me, I guess that much more marvel at like the power if that makes sense, that that like a supreme being could really have. And and that's where it's like, you're I'm thinking of another thing. And I've kind of alluded this on some of them, and we've alluded to this as a team with a bunch of the insiders, as we pulled something out of the river this year,

53:14 and if it's yeah, there's a river on the ranch that that we've never done anything with. So there's a fucking river. Yeah. So it's not like as crazy as everybody would think, like big wise, but it's sill a river. But I guess that is five twelve acres yeah, yeah, so it bisects it, you know, and we've we've talked about it, but it's like we've never shown it, so it's outside of people's like recognition. Yeah, just around those spots you yeah, picture ed yeah, and so but we but we pulled something out of the river and it's as physical as it gets pulling something out right, And and the subject matter expert, the way that he goes through and shows what this is or potentially what this is, and and the whole presentation that he did for us.

54:18 If if they don't do it correctly, I could see how people will be trying to discount it. But when he lines these samples up next to each two modern samples and things like that, it's it's I don't know how, I don't know how. How did you what what out bottom island creature did you pull out of the goddamn river? Right outside of some of the other topics that we will talk about in regardless of time, anomalies and like wormholes and stuff like that, is the only explanation in my mind that, well, yeah, when when you guys see it, I know it's gonna be I've been told that it's going to be pretty controversial.

55:07 Oh yeah, yeah, definitely, it's gonna be controversial. But when you have the physical sample and and the the subject matter expert there and showing his stuff, and this isn't the only thing he's found on the branch the subject matter expert that we've had. We've found he's found multiple things. And and his realm, i'll say, is biology and and and that realm and the other samples that we found, and the other things that he's brought to the table, and the other samples that we've collected over the years.

55:43 He knows the stuff. There's no argument. And and and when he's coming to the table during this presentation and showing what this potentially is, he's and he's going, I don't even want to say what this is because of how crazy this sounds really yeah, and and I know that's gonna be somewhat early in the season, so I'm excited for that one. Yeah you got me, you got me kinda and you get yeah, you got me kind of hooked here on this on this thing here because I'm not It just blows my mind because I didn't even know there was a river, right see, and then we're pulling well, this is the crazy thing is Yeah, I've I've crossed that river multiple times.

56:34 We've never done anything like an experiment on the river, okay. And the way we get down there and and why we go down there. This is literally the first day we've ever gone down and done an experiment on this place and that and this is the kind of thing we pull out like, okay, so are you allowed to say what prompted you to go down there? It was just kind of those things where we were like, we they don't want to do what they were had planned for us that day. It was it was because it was kind of more of the same kind of thing, and we're like, all right, we got to figure out something else.

57:07 And Brandon or Brian, no, we do that every episode. Yeah, that kind of thing, and Bryant and Travis were sitting there that night before going we have got to do something else, and they were like, oh, we've never done anything on the river. Let's try and go down the river and do something there. And we're like all right, great and we all look, we're like, yes, thank you something. And it was you know, middle of the summer, it's hot, and we're like, yes, we'll go play in the river all day. So wow.

57:37 But and but that's the thing is yeah, that that's what we pull out of the river. And then the next day, Oh my gosh, like what we have to talk about the next day too? Because when when we can? I know, I can't wait to talk about all of it. I just that's what I love about this show is. And you know what I wouldn't down too is you know you guys, you guys do have the spin off show now mm hmmm. Are you incorporating any of the data or research? Are you? I? I guess you won't know. Yeah, you know, because you we're going to edit into it.

58:20 I'm not involved in that and really in any way at this point, So I I don't know what they're what they're doing with it. I don't know, how do you like the show? Did you watch it? I haven't watched it now, Oh dude, it's not Calee. It's it's actually it's super super good. Like I've talked to Pete and I know they have oh gosh, Carl, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I'm like, yeah, I've talked to some of the other parties that have been involved with it and they've told me about what's been going on.

59:03 And am I surprised? Now? Yeah, no, it's and it's wild because so they did an episode in at the Bridgewater Triangle and that's where I'm ending my movie, the first I'm right now, I'm making my first movie. So and it connects a haunted road to the Salem Witch Trials to the Bridgewater Triangle. So it's what I like about it is it is showing that there is precedent, not just precedents for these hot spots, yeah, to exist, but there are many of them that are just here, home homegrown, right, And you know, is it something about the land?

59:49 Is it something what what makes these places such? Why is the veil so thin there? And I think that's the question we all want to ask or answer with shows like Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch, beyond Skinwalker Ranch, all those right, is why what's going on?

1:00:12 What's really the truth here? And I mean, honestly, do you do you guys ever, do you guys ever wonder if you're part of the

1:00:29 just a just such a remarkably bigger chessboard that you had no idea about?

1:00:38 Yeah, I guess that's one of those things. We don't know how how what the implications really are until you do something right and and those con consequences come. But we've with some of the stuff that we've been waiting to talk about or you know, like what we were going to be shown in season five and when you go even go back to season four and see some of the stuff that we're that we're showing, and like I can tell you, for instance, Eric is going through and creating this crazy model in regards to the in and out recording that we have where we're on the helicopter and you see this light off in the distance, you know, this u UAP come down and it looks like it goes into the mesa and then as we're as the helicopters continuing, is that that's when it comes up.

1:01:29 That's a wild, wild yeah, So Eric, this is one of those things where like, this is crazy, we're ninety eight percent, you know, we're fairly certain we caught a UAP coming in and out of the MESA, right. But again this is where Eric on the backside, I can tell you, for the last couple of months, he's been doing a huge model and like Blender and writing code and doing all this cool stuff to really test that. Because there's obvious questions now and this is again when there's so much information that we can talk about in regards to just one of these experiments.

1:02:12 So one of the questions is, Okay, was there a rocket still in the air by chance? And as it's coming down to the earth, was it glinting? Is that the light that we're seeing right now. I can tell you, as I was on the helicopter, one of our safety things with Cameron was he's he wasn't going to fly through the area if we knew there was a rocket still in the air. So and I talked to Cameron just a couple of weeks ago about that same question, as it was one of those things where I was like, all right, this happened so long ago, let's confirm And I was like, hey, Cameron, when it comes in regards to this, this is our safety procedure.

1:02:45 Right, anytime you're out and we shoot rocket off, you don't fly through the area until we know the rocket is on the ground. Correct. And he's like, yeah, simple, that's what we do every time. I'm like okay, cool.

1:02:57 And now we take that to Eric and Eric is like, okay, so what else could this potentially be outside of like a UAP type source. And that's why he's creating this huge model to show to try and show the you know, the potential speed and size of what this was, right and how big that would be as we're flying through and like he's he was out taking pictures of the helicopter to make sure the details on the helicopter and the model were correct. So that's the kind of detail he's putting into this thing, and just the amount of work he's doing on it is phenomenal, and that's you know, that's again the backside stuff that happens during the off season that people don't see is the amount of work that like Eric particularly puts back into some a lot of these experiments.

1:03:51 And then as we talk about it and evolved, that conversation for the next year of Okay, what can we do to maybe either build on this or a test it, you know, right, And so that's kind of where we're at for this for for season six, is we're we're having those conversations of Okay, what can we do and based on what we found here, how can we verify it or or how do we test that again? But then that's also so hard. The hard part of this is we feel that some of these results that we get are so one are that one crazy one off?

1:04:23 Like are we ever gonna how can we replicate what what happened? So well, you can keep talking. I was just gonna play because this is I wanted to see this one in the background. What is this? Yeah, so I don't know this is the one, but yeah, it's It's just one of those things like there's so much follow up and so many follow up experiments and and things that we can go deep dive into, right And Eric, I actually we went through back through my phone. Oh yeah, that's very yeah, yep, and found all this and found a bunch of other videos and photographs that I took while I was on the helicopter during this and gave him to Eric to help him really dial down on the times and where the helicopter was at in space and in relation to this.

1:05:18 So because in between some of these rocket launches that we were doing this night, I you know, I took a bunch of photographs and videos and stuff, and you know, like what really struck me that on this night was how clear it was. Right. There was a point where we were just hovering above the ranch and Cameron was kind of doing a slow turn, and I had my phone out and I was just recording like the horizon just because I could see so far and you could clearly see why we're then you went to Basin as a basemin like you could see the mountains all the way around us, and it was just so clear, like and obviously my video can't capture that, you know, like our eyes can't, but I know it sucks.

1:06:01 Yeah, it was kind of one of those things where again I went back through and I found some videos and things that I think are going to help Eric in this. So this is just awesome. That's an example. So and and now we've got a whole other season that we're gonna be able to do this for you know, because again, you're renewed for six. I don't know for sure yet, but every everything pointing towards it. Yeah, yeah, I would assume that unless the ratings were to take it just like a tremendous dive, which I don't foresee.

1:06:40 Uh, and then then you'd be that that's the only case. And even then I don't I don't even know if they would they would cancel it, so just because but uh, it's honestly, I can't wait for this season. I think I think a lot of things are starting to culminate. I think, you know, a lot of the lessons learned in Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch they were able to take to beyond Skinwalker Ranch and kind of, you know, some of the mistakes that you got, not that you guys made mistakes in the in the series, Well yeah, there were things that were done that now you know, the guys from the other show they knew not to do, you know, so they you know, they kind of skipped right to the to poke in the bear instead of you know, figuring out how to poke the bear.

1:07:37 You guys, you guys figured out how to poke it. And I know in that one is they have a lot of contact with Eric and Travis in regards to doing that stuff. So, yeah, I know that Eric and Travis have had a big part of that, but I don't know how involved they are in the experiments stuff myself. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think they're too involved in the experiments. It seems like they're just in it too. So it really, if I'm being honest, it's it seems like they're in it just to tie the shows together, because it's it's more of like a recap they're in.

1:08:21 They're at the end of every show at the recap, And I think it really and no offense obviously, it's it's it's something you have to do, like you have to do it. It's it's a they're obviously building off of everything that we're doing. Yeah, but I think it's I think it's great. I think it's I think it's absolutely tremendous because I think, you know, one of the one of the cool things that we get to see play out is the advancement that you guys make. The longer you're at Skinwalker Ranch, the more advanced studies that can be done at these other hotspots on now just on a dime, because of you guys, So you know, you're still paving the way.

1:09:07 The main show will always be the main show, but the what what you're doing now is inspiring and and allowing other endeavors to happen on you know, at other places that have rumored to be very similar in nature to Skinwalker rant yep, oh, yeah, it's there's so much potential for advancement in in in this realm, if you will. And what's really driving that too, or or what's helping that is there's these technologies that are out there that we're using not and yeah, they're not exactly for the purpose that they're meant for, if you will, but the results that they're getting, and whether that's equipment malfunctions and the equipment's performing in ways that it was never meant to, or it is catching actual data in a in a way that it shouldn't be catching that data, right, or we never would have caught that kind of data have we not had that type of equipment right?

1:10:18 And and again it's so like, for example, let's take Pete's equipment. We've seen in the past, his slam scanners and things are how how do you make a laser disappear or like when his the way his salam scanner works and and and this type of equipment is it literally shoots the laser out, it hits some a physical object and in the time that that returns back helps determine like how far away or what it's made of, how reflective it is. And we literally have stuff that's swallowing the this this energy.

1:10:57 But when you go stand where out where we're standing, it's a freaking field.

1:11:03 And how does that how how everywhere else you go that equipment runs away. Its supposed to shows you that it's a field or that you're hitting the ground and the foiligend it's coming back to you. I've been out with Pete and then I don't know how many scans off season and and the past seasons, and we have tons of of scans of the ranch, uh you know, and they've come back fine. But then there's these other times where we're doing experiments and where the heck's that energy going? Where the heck's that laser going.

1:11:35 It's like a black hole right right, like and you know what, maybe maybe there is more than meat stye the then then you know the possibilities of what could be there because Yeah, what could swallow a laser like that? Well, and that's you know, and that's the thing is like there again season five, if you're going to see some results from you know, top of the line equipment that Pete's getting coming out and we're going, what the heck, we're still that's surprising. So more more GPR, more lied are is it sounds like you're running the full gambit again?

1:12:24 Oh yeah, we've got you know again, that's where we're going. We're we're finding stuff with this equipment that when we go out and we talk with other parties who are who've been using this technology for twenty plus years, like Pete and he's going, have you ever seen this before in any of your equipment? And they're all going, no, what are you doing? Right? You know, it's where yeah, where are you doing this stuff? And now where is this coming from? Because this does not yeah, and and so that's what's been really fun is seeing again the third party experts coming out even today and the equipment that they're willing to bring or the updated equipment from a past model, so it's even better than what we've used before, right, and the stuff still gets us those these crazy results and like how do you do that?

1:13:20 Yeah? And that's and that that's one of the questions that as always since day one, it's been intriguing me. Why why is it like there's been so many, so many experiments where like things will go underground, like it looks like you flew underground, came back up and then you know, into the MESA And like that's happened like on multiple occasions with multiple different types of sensors, and it's like it it's always bothered me because it's like it's repeating but on different device, different Yeah, different different equipment.

1:14:08 Yeah, we're getting a lot of the same results. Right, Like I know this to comment about, you know, I want to say, during Blazing Bear, we had what looks like in some infrared some two objects come down and flay into the meser right, well where the MESA edges. It looks like they either went behind it or they did go inside. But and so there's some very similar results that we've caught on multiple equipment of what looks like stuff coming in and out of the mesa, right. But I think that's why that footage of the helicopter on that night where we're shooting the two rockets that we just looked at was so profound was because there was it's really hard to argue that one.

1:14:55 Yeah, you see it go. And then just like if you were to track it, like if you were to drop a track, it would make sense where it came out it was, you know what I mean, like it would it would it would It would probably line up if you did it mathematically somehow. Yeah, And again that's why Eric is going through and creating this model that he's been working on to try and show that, to prove that. Okay, now, yeah, so Eric is going through and really you know, working on that and and and there's other things like that that we've been that he's going through.

1:15:41 And that's the thing too, is Yeah, I think Travis is the one that brought this up in one of our live discussions with somebody before. I want to say, like NASA before, if they if they do like an experiment, they have to sit for two years and keep working that one single experiment before they can ever come out with any kind of information if I remember correctly, And what you're seeing with us is we do a whole gambit of experiments over a couple of months and in eight to nine months, you guys are seeing what we caught live, you know, and then we're going, you know, how do we like, what does that make information?

1:16:29 Even mean? First off, right, how do we even interpret it? But you allow them to interpret year judge it. Yeah, And then and then we're throwing it out to the public and going, hey, this is what we caught, you know, and we try to go back and do as much review on those on the data and the recordings as much as we can. But and that's where you know, again, with the partnership, with the filming and stuff, sometimes that's hard, like we're not to do that. And then when stuff gets released, people start deep diving in and doing what they can you know, themselves.

1:17:06 And then and that raises a lot of questions and we're like, you know, and we're still trying to answer like the first questions, you know, right, and you know, it's just it is what it is at this point, you know, Yeah, we know we're but we are getting a lot of crazy hard data, like the terabytes of information that's been stored just just in the recordings themselves, you know, because a lot of your a lot of video evidence on top of like each one of these light our scans is hundreds and hundreds of you know, megabytes of information, and the bigger your scans are terabytes.

1:17:48 Yeah, hundreds of terabytes of information from the last six years. And it's like and that's what's really fascinating is when you when if someone ever gets the opportunity like sit down and has and ever gets full access to everything, and they literally start from like day one, from like our what we've talked about as team members, ourselves from before the show, and and starts compiling all that information. You know, I might forget bigelo stuff. If we start from just our our day one, if you will, and go from there to where we are.

1:18:29 Now, that's how how many years would that take to compile everything? Yeah? Well it'd be a good it'd be a good a good read, a good paper to read, like like something that was or not not a good paper, but like like a a proper compilation of of just the the the data set in uh a uh searchable way that that would actually be really cool, uh to see how things progressed and you know where progressed, uh what happened when that that that would be actually pretty cool. See and and I guess in my mind. That's where I'm like, I'm gonna try and do what i can to maybe help in that.

1:19:16 With this book that I'm trying to do and that I've been working on for this I really start working on it. It's okay, okay, just give me a couple more minutes. Yeah, we can wrap up in a couple of minutes. I don't want to. I don't want to take you from your daughter too much. Uh So it does look like we're shaping up to It looks like it's shaping up to be uh quite the roller coaster year. Uh last year, I said the same thing, having you on in in lou Or in preparation for the show, I'm super excited.

1:20:06 So where can people find you? And where can people get involved with Skinwalker Ranch? How can they watch the cameras all day? You know? You know what what other paranormal hot spot lets you do that? So? Right, So obviously we have our Skinwalker dash Ranch dot com website, Go be an insider. We have a lot of discussions. Like I said, we've got some really cool changes coming up to the website itself. I'm I'm actually haven't seen what it's gonna be yet. Myself. So I've got some meetings that I'm gonna be having with the new team that we're working with on on what that looks like.

1:20:47 Well, I know that, like in past seasons and past years, what we've been doing is whenever a new episode comes out, we as a team will sit and talk for and take questions live from the from the insiders there. I'm on Twitter and Instagram and Facebook, Caleb Bench, Yes, pretty hard, all right, I need to be more active and in posting stuff. But that's also where we're like, Okay, what can we talk about? When can we talk about stuff? But yeah, That's where I'm at. And then but I would say our website is one of our big places to go to get any additional information or when one of us jumps on and uh, you know, does an interview like this, we will go into detail on some things and we and we try to give more information as we can.

1:21:40 H you guys, you know what, Honestly, with the exception of John Alexander, you guys have been the most forthcoming with and and that's why that's what bothers me when people talk Brandon and and like people like Green Street, they do what they do is and because what I mean, no one, no one, no one's beaten down Bigelow's door saying you know, where's where's all the data from when you when you were at skim you were you guys, let people watch cameras on the property twenty four seven. You can literally pay six what is it, six bucks bucks depending on to do all those live streams, to get all those benefits, and you can literally sit and watch all the cameras that they have, and you only have more and more because Eric is a like me, he just can't stop.

1:22:44 I can tell you we have. Yeah, the the amount of cameras that Eric has is ridiculous.

1:22:53 I know, I love that guy. We're kind of getting to the point now where some of the older cameras we have to get new ones up because the old ones are just worn out, you know. So not only are we getting newer, better cameras now in some of those same locations, but we're getting more of them. And yeah, I can tell you there's some individuals on here that I've seen in the in the live chat that have caught things real time on the on our website and bring it to attention like that that it's been such a I think that positive because of that, and the insiders took it upon themselves and created like a spreadsheet and record all sorts of stuff that we can go back and check.

1:23:37 Yeah, and that that just makes for good data keeping. And you know, if something really does stick out, then you use that. Then you you bring it up in the series premiere of the whatever season, you know, and say, look what happened over this off season. You know, let's start it off here some of the stuff that we you know, you know, the the sky's the limit and I mean that's up to Prometheus at the end of the day anyway, but this is Skinwalk or dash Ranch has nothing to do with Prometheas. So you guys kind of you did this on your own, and uh, it will it will for for for now, stay that way.

1:24:20 Yeah, And that's the thing is it's completely us the team. And that's where you know, we've we're trying to think of ways to again improve that website and and trying to get the team together to do experiments on on that as well. Is you know, as part of the tricky thing too, and you know, there's a lot of things that we'd like to do with it. But it's just hey, listen, you're I completely understand. Uh, it's it's it's it's easier said than done, you know, when at actually getting down to it and you know, getting everyone on on board and and you know, getting it's it's logistical nightmare.

1:25:09 So you don't have to explain that one, buddy. Uh. You know, I always love having you here and you're always welcome. And then after, you know, either during or after this season ends, we'll have to have you back in. But you know, Phenomenon this year, any other conventions that you're that you guys are going to be doing, uh, that you'll be at just Phenomenicon to my knowledge now since Awaken then Gota canceled sadly. Okay, all right, I know there's potentially something else in the work, so okay, I don't but we'll keep us all updated.

1:25:49 And you know we love what you do. And uh, I can't wait for can't wait for April April twenty ninth, right, twenty third. We've only got a couple more weeks, yeah, April twenty third, A couple more weeks mid April. All right, you heard it here. You guys like share, subscribe and if you want to help support become a member on YouTube. It really does help, and all the sharing and liking is free. Uh and it really again it helps. So click joint, click like, click share, click subscribe, click all the buttons there are click.

1:26:28 I'm really really clouded brain tonight, but thank you again Caleb for turning. Yeah man, it was such a fun time, so we'll see you guys next time. Have a good one. And

1:26:43 yeah, yeah end it for me because I'm losing my mind and I mean

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