#87 Author Gari Jones: A Truthful Argument for the Existence of UFOs-The Denbigh Lights

0:12 Making the blanket stations to cover the entire uf over now then over the past twenty years. All right, we're back today tonight with Gary Jones, this Friday, the thirteenth, author of the Denbi Lights, a truthful argument for the existence of UFOs. Welcome to Total Disclosure. Gary, So glad to have you. Yeah, it's good to be here again. Thank you for I'm be back. So yeah, nice, nice to be here. So today we're you know, so I figured why not, you know, on Friday the thirteenth, get a little bit of a rundown of a case that I don't think the public is too aware.

1:31 Mean, so they're aware of it, especially the UFO community, but to the general public, maybe the Denbie Light event isn't so not about It's not like the Roswells and then the Zimbabwe and the air you know, all those all those mi not Air Force base, those cases. So you just wrote a book, the denib Lights. Like I said, we talked about that. So can you start by telling us why you chose to write this book and why this encounter specifically. I just felt with the case once I had all the evidence put together and I realized, you know, we've got some pretty good video footage, really good you know, witness testimonies and evidence that just concludes that it is very well put together investigation that concludes it's a UFO event.

2:27 So I thought, you know, it's not getting the credit it deserves. I think it should have a place in the UFO community. And I just thought, there's enough year to put a book together. So I just decided it's been a while since I actually put something in a book, so why not pick this case because there was plenty to go on. So I decided to bring it to the world and let people know that Wales has got a case that it's kind of underrated right now. It's not getting the attention I think it deserves. I mean, it reminds me.

2:59 It reminds me of the Shag Harbor incident, like you know, it doesn't it doesn't get Yeah, I mean maybe not even that, Maybe that's not even a good uh comparison, but it's a it's a case that that the public kind of they just you know, whiz by they want to hear about the more, Like I said, the Roswell's, the Virginias, the beings and and all that and and what they're missing is an actual credible case with data behind it. So that's what we're gonna do today. We're going to walk through that data and walk through that the testimony.

3:36 And I'd like to hear the story from start to finish as you tell it. Well, I'll start at the beginning then and how it all got started. Yeah, the case. The date of the case and the location is January third, twenty twelve. It happened in North Wales, which is in the United Kingdom. Of those who don't know the position of where it is, it happened in a nice little town area called Denby, which is part of Denbighshire County in North Wales. And it was around three am in the morning. Picture of the weather scene here.

4:11 Now it's a storm. There is an actual storm in the area. So winds are going up to fifty sixty sometimes seventy miles an hour. It's pouring down with rain. It's winter time, so temperatures are like zero zero degrees are just above and obviously with the wind and the rain and the cold, you know, it's not ideal conditions to be outdoors whatsoever. But a family of four who lived in the area, the first witness to This is was a boy at the time named Nathan Thomas. He was twelve. He was up late watching TV, just chilling in his room, you know, very quiet at night, and he heard a bang outside his window, wondering what it was, and as he looked out, he realized that his bin, you know, his big council rubbish bin, had been blown over.

4:57 And it was a big bin. You know, it's one of those very big, family sized bins. So wind was quite strong to blow that over. But once he confirmed what it was, he looked into the distance and he saw something that grabbed his attention and he realized, you know, it is that a reflection from my TV? Is that coming from a light on the wall? He opened the window and it was coming from the distance, and when he looked at it, it was a series of flashing lights. We'reun like anything he'd ever seen, and he realized he was looking at as he would describe it right then, a UFO.

5:27 So he runs to the next door room where his brother was sleeping, and this is Alex Thomas. He's fourteen at the time, and he was trying to sleep. You know, I've been trying for a while, and I think he was just about getting to nod off and his brother's like, hey, there's a UFO outside, and he's like, oh, don't wind me up, will he? And he's like, noh, come see, come see, and they both get up and you know, Alex being like, you know, tired now, you know, the body's trying to rest, and then all of a sudden, it's like, what's that?

5:55 You know what I mean? Yeah, So you go from like, you know, it's almost like a zero to sixteen moment. It probably well maybe eighty, but yeah, but yeah. The interesting thing is then is that Nathan had been given a camera, a video camera for his Christmas presence, and it was right there. He grabbed it and the two of them started filming it, and they started putting together like nearly ten minutes of video footage. They are two separate videos, but together they're combined to about ten minutes, and you can clearly see in the video which we do have here.

6:31 Yeah, do you play it? Played one of them? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I played one of them? Which one of them? Yes, let me see I did. I did list them as video one in video two. Okay, look for Shaken Life. That's amazing and it's weird. Okay, so can Alex. She sentively like the impost. Okay, look I remembers. Yeah, let's give you something if you got to all with a crop sugal Jackie listeners. Man, yeah, a three Apple just to use bee Alex. Yeah, well you can see what says Shalte m sure m hm Alex look her now a Bobby to see your bubby bye.

7:57 Oh my god. M hm hm hm. That is the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life. What the heck fuck, it's amazing. I can see this aucermah track you sure? Wow? What I did not watch those videos? What that looks like an oscillating like it's sitting there oscillating in the distance. That I mean, well, we have another video. I'm gonna overlay it because I didn't upload to stream yard in time, but I'll overlay it in a couple of minutes. And I definitely now I'm super excited to go watch the other one after this is done.

9:16 That was wild. I mean you can clearly see something's oscillating and and and hovering in that one area. So I I like how it's it's so recent where they're like, we're gonna upload this to YouTube and and like if tomorrow we're gonna go check and see if there's a crop circle? By the way, did they go and check? Wow? This is uh the interesting thing this, the second video was the more advanced into the into the cycling. By then, they had gone to wake their mother up, Linda Pritchett. Okay, she was sleeping downstairs, and I think it must have been Alex who ran downstairs to wake her up.

9:56 And it's like, you know, ma'am, ma'am, come and see this right, and she know she woke up instantly, you know, because of the excitement in their voice, thinking, you know, is there a fire in this house or something? And you know, panicy, but where Then she goes upstairs to the window and sees it herself, and you know, the three of them are watching it this time. And then later on there's another witness, Kira Lee George. I think her name is, yeah, Kira George. She's Linda's granddaughter. And you can hear it in their voices when they listen.

10:27 Nathan wants to upload it to YouTube while send it to the local press. Yes, Alex is like, is there going to be a crop circle? Then if you listen to him. He says he can see the saucer because it's not it's not just hovering like a vertical that's horizontal, isn't. It goes into a more vertical position like this in the video, goes from like a like a you know, like a four year degree angle. Their mother is like, this is the most amazing thing I've ever seen. And in the full video you can hear them they're actually I think I mean, I think Alex is little worried and maybe someone's you know, from the military, might come and ask some difficult questions.

11:04 I mean, Nathan is just all super excited, and I think Linda just well, you know, that is the most They're all amazed. They've lived in this area up until that point, and even now they've lived until that they've lived in this area their whole lives. I think he may have moved a while ago, but up until that point, they've lived there a long time and they've never seen nothing like it. Never And the interesting thing about the video excuse me a bit of a cult. Interesting thing about the video is when I asked them questions in the interviews later on, they all wanted to see it again.

11:40 That's see it again. That's something that I feel like, it's it's it's something that happens in the UFO community over hear about it a lot that you know, most studies show that these encounters people want them to continue, like they desperately want them to continue. It's not until you get into the abduction area where people are like, eh, you know, maybe not. But these these sightings of these spectacular like that videos, it's amazing. You can clearly see something as remarkably peculiar. And then now does anyone do any correlation?

12:25 Is anything in the night sky from the military? What can we say? It's not,

12:35 well, this is part of my investigation that i'd done, and well we can get into this now. I mean, I mean, I'd like you to bring up let me see, you've got the slides. If you can bring up slide fifty one fifty one, we can see that this is This is actually some analysis that was done on the some of the images taken from the actual video itself, the one on the left where you see no Strobe aircraft lights are exhibited, yes, and all the different sort of like filtered colors below, done by a man named Jason Gleaves.

13:15 Now he has a book. He does a number of books. He's a former RAF man, so he's betting familiar with military aircraft. He's now become a pretty good, I would say excellent actually is excellent investigator and analysis into analyzing a video and photographs and everything. And he's done a full twelve minute video on this on his own channel on YouTube, and he concludes that it's unexplainable, that it's not it's not something that can be described as a helicopter or a plane or any kind of drone. And I look to the right there where you can see the sort of like yellow boxes there just sort of highlighted some of the things that I could find when I analyzed this video myself.

14:05 The red light I did not see that. It does appear in it if you go a little more slowly through it. It does take time to maybe find it, but it is in there. It does make a regular appearance. But this is one of the better slides that I could get. I was like zooming in and out and trying to see what I could stay. Of course, I'm going to show you a really good one in a minute now, but you can see there are like lights and much smaller lights. And as the craft is turning in its in its rotation, the lights are flashing, not in any kind of part you would recognize.

14:43 I mean when you see aircraft. No, no, there's definition to their to their there's there's rhythm. Yeah, you can find the rhythm, but in this you just can't. It's just it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, it's it's almost as if it's non repeating and and in a way that's telling in itself, if you will, which is remarkable. And that that I mean, so this happens, So it's so we know it's you know, it's it's the it's not the military. It's not a drone. This is twenty twelve. You know, drone technology is still it's good in the military, but it's not widely available on the public sector yet.

15:28 So I mean this is now. Does does the UK have any radar data that would court corroborate this event? Yes? I do have it in a slide. I was lucky to get this because okay, which slide are we looking at here? Troubling? Let me think I have done a slide presentation on this and I have actually put it all together. Now whereas it's do you know, I hate that when you can't find things. I do have radar data on its It's in slide thirty seven thirty seven, okay, okay, so nothing on the radar place. Okay. Now the top left there is an FOI that I sent off just to see if I could get some information on the case itself.

16:17 I think I may have been asking for like the telephone call made by the family because they wanted someone to help them understand what they'd see. And they called the police the you know, within a day of it happening, and they saw the video, they look at it in themselves and they said it was ramblers. Now, for those who don't know what ramblers are, if you've ever been out at night hunting, ramblers are supposed to be these people who take spotlights or torches and this they reflect them in the in the creature's eyes and you know, the optical nerves and the irises and the eyes and everything reflect that like back, you know, like cat's eye kind of thing.

16:55 Make some bright so they can see them. And of course they will either go and capture an animal or you know, some cases they will kill the animal. But the ramblers in this country, as I understand it, it's not legal to do that. So it makes you wonder if it's not legal, then why are you not pursuing a case criminal case? Right? But the two images you see on the right from planefinder dot net, and these are radars taken from the time that this thing would have been visible. Now, like I said, it started around three and it lasted for about fifteen twenty minutes.

17:30 Maybe we got ten minutes worth of video footage. And there's nothing. There's nothing in the sky whatsoever. There's no planes, helicopters, aircraft's I think even military aircraft would have transformed if they were on a routine training flight or something. Yes, nothing that that's making a paying you know of on any radar screen. So that's that's very interesting. You have to the style as well. By the time I got involved in this case, it was like six years after the event. I got in yeah, April twenty eighteen when I first met these people and I saw the video, and I was just blown away because I've seen something like that myself from when I was a child, although slightly different colored lights, it was very similar.

18:18 The thing that I find amazing with plane Finder dart net is that they did have radar that would allow you to go back six seven years. They didn't care. You know, you know, here's data for six seven years. I thought, great, yeah, you know, we can go and check this. And I managed to get just just in time. But when I started working on the Penturg incident, when the other case that I've been doing over the years, they changed their policy. They went from giving you seven years worth of data to a week, so seven years to seven days.

18:48 Yeah, and then you could buy a subscription. Then that would only that would only give you a year's worth. And I like, you've got seven years worth going back. You probably got more than that. But yeah, changing they wanted, they wanted. They wanted to get rid of data and and

19:06 flush the frames if you will. But I think I was a decision made by someone above. So there's where does there what's the other one? There's

19:17 sky sky Hub. I have it on my phone. Sky It's it's one that you can I don't know if you can go back. I wonder that's a very interesting I wonder, I wonder if you can go back. I don't know what it's called. So there's all kinds of I mean this this flight radar twenty four flight radar flight flight radar. Does that allow you to go back in time? Or no? No, I've tried. I mean most of them only ever do a week or a month, and then they ask you to subscribe, and they only do more than a year. And I'm like, well, where am I supposed to find anything further than that?

20:00 I mean with airports, yeah, you have to foil yeah, yeah, if you fire it, they tell you, oh, we keep our systems only we only keep our systems open for thirty days or three months, and then it all gets it all gets wiped. Then you need to pay for a subscription. Mm hmmm. But it's it's it's very difficult with international radar airports, you know, with the radars there. Although I think they would give you that information if they had it, but it's like by the time we get involved, you know, it's do you have something from that day?

20:33 I mean I think they do have it, I just don't think they want to give it to us. Yeah, I would say that's a likely likely that that's the Unfortunately they're the probability leans in favor of them having the data because you'd have to you'd have this. I mean you have to think that, what's the nearest military base there? There's one in North Wales. I don't know the exact name of it, but there is another based in North Wales. If they got anything that pinged on radar, a track that they could they could verify, then they they would do their due diligence and they would they would you know, either scrambled jets.

21:21 Now do do the witnesses ever, did they hear jets that night? Did they hear anything else like military flights that happened? Is there anything that else the witnesses can say about what happened afterwards? Okay, this would be a good point to bring in maybe slide eighteen and slide Can I ask you to bring up slide eighteen, twenty one and twenty three if you remember that eighteen twenty one. I can't bring them all up at the same time. Well, can you do one? Okay? But we'll make it slight eighteen first of all, Okay, okay, and then we can go to slight twenty one after it.

22:07 Yep, just give me the que okay. That is the family as they were. The two left images are Alex and Nathan around the time of the events. That's like twenty twelve. There the grown men by the time I met them, you know, they were like turning eighteen or eighteen. Yeah. Yeah. The other two images you see on the right, the top right one is Linda, that's the mother, and the bottom one is Key Rush And that was in twenty eighteen when I were interviewing them, and I still keep in contact with them, you know, we still we still talk online because I am trying to promote this case.

22:37 I think they really want to see it. I'd just like to show you some more of those images I put at the bottom there. You can see how it turns. That's actually that's not me tilting anything. That's just it doing that on its own. Okay. You can see you can see some of the strange lights. Now after seeing all of this, you know, I mean, I've interviewed them, I've spoken to them, and I've had conversations off off air, of course, and they're all just, you know, is it ever going to come back? Are they ever going to see it again?

23:07 Unfortunately, when Nathan started to talk about this afterwards, he was getting ridiculed with it, and the family have all been targeted for a boost. But I think Nathan, being the one who spotted it and recorded it, has had to you know, and do it quite a bit more than others, right, And I say they haven't all had a bit of a boost like you know, But I mean, I think I think Nathan, because he was so excited about it and he found that, you know, the community was rather rather cynical in that in that regard.

23:34 But if I take you to slide twenty one, Peter Glynn, mm hm, they wanted someone to actually look into this, and they didn't know where to go really, But I think the family knew of someone in the area who had had an interest in this subject and actually done some of his own work in the past, and Peter Glynn lived somewhere close and they contacted him, showed him the video and he was very convinced that this was a very solid video and began to investigate. You know. He did idiot video interviews with the family.

24:14 You can see there in the little Yeah the genuine UFO signing Demie Wales, that's him interviewing the family. He did like eight videos in total, and some of like a few minutes long. Some of them are in like like a minute or two showing certain bits of evidence he collected. But I thought it was a very good, you know, good sit down interview and local investigation. And I came along in twenty eighteen. I thought, well, you've got some good stuff there. You've actually collected some good evidence.

24:41 I just know I can expand it further by looking at military and you know, doing comparisons and getting this foot of channelized and stuff. So it was really just a case of really expanding on what I already been done in other things that have been you know, haven't haven't been looked into yet. So I mean, just yeah, gotcha, it's like twenty three. This is just some of the things that were being done. Okay, So yeah, yeah, these are some of the other videos I've listed, just just box and screenshots.

25:12 You can see that you know, he was doing his work. You know, he went to the window get some daytime, nighttime photos. So what we're seeing here in the field is that the same or is it that the housing structures where the video was taken. Okay, yeah, this is a view from the window. This is how it looks in the daytime. The it's a little difficult at time to try and match up where exactly the lights appear in the day in nighttime, but he did, there's no there's no like trees obstructing it. And I thought there was like there, it looked like there was something in front of it.

25:53 Yeah, that I was one of that. But I think that's just the way the lights are because when you just when the family describe the lights, it's like they look like it looks like a light, you know, like a light struck, like you see a light in a torch or something not as bright as like you know, real any any but it looks like it's underwater or something twinkling underwater. You know you ever seeing lights under the water surface of water? Yes, yes, Anyway the video that you look there are two images on the right.

26:21 Peter's tried to like learning the sighted or know. Okay, I reonder where we can select some areas which might if this is something on the ground or this is human activity, these are the areas likely to be Excuse me.

26:37 Now you see him with his camera and his friends were looking around for signs of human activity. The thing they found was a little tire track there or I think maybe a tractor or a jeep or something on the bottom. Right, Yeah, that's only just going to a place, you know. But it's not like you would be circling around and tilting lights in a you know, from a horizont it's a vertical position and flashing the way that doesn't correspond to anything. And no, not really, no, I wouldn't say. So that's very, very, very peculiar though, because like I said, so, so, who is the kid on the video that says I can see the disc Alex?

27:21 So can Alex? How does Alex describe? Because obviously we all know that like our vision versus even nowadays in twenty twenty three, the camera versus what our eyes see. It's it's virtually like it's it's day and night right from what your eyes can see to what a camera can see. Yeah, what is he describe seeing it? Does it have panels on it? Does it? Can he see any detail aside from the light looking like it's underwater? They describe the shape they see with their eyes because the camera's not picking it up as well as their eyes are.

28:03 I think today's modern cameras might be much better in nighttime. Yeah, but this is like this is a camellias thirty. It's I can't remember the name, a Tashiba thing made it at the time. At the time it was a nice handheld camera, but at night time it wasn't. I do have an image of it if you want to bring it up, Yeah, on slide eleven, goes slide eleven. Yeah, yeah, And I'll just tell you what what he described. They describe an all those shaped craft. So it's like mine goes meet nine, ten, seven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen sixteen.

28:44 What happened here? I don't know what happened, something weird, I don't know. So it just so happens that we don't have that one. Unfortunately. Slight twenty five. Do you have slight twenty five? Yes? Okay, Now, let me just explain what they describe as an oval shaped object disc but oval rounded, kind of like an egg if you will, oval shape. They describe a red light on top. Sometimes they're describing that the object is not just rotating, it's kind of tilting forward and backwards, so you can see the under and overside of it.

29:29 The interesting thing about all of that, they say, like Alex would describe the lights like flashes, like lightning or something really Kira described it like like shimmering of water, like it was underwater. I think they even described like a mini explosion if you will. Okay, they all have. They all have their own unique explanations for it, but they all describe in a similar context. Now what you're seeing. There is a man named David Williams. He lives next door to these. He did at the time. I'm sure he's still there now.

30:01 He lived next door to them, and he saw the video himself, and that little eye Party's got there. He was able to take a still image of the video and I still haven't been able to replicate this, but that is actually it there. I've just sort of inverted the color to bring up more details. You can see. You can see that there are in them. There's a red light on top. There's yeah, there's a red light on top. It seems to be it seems to be the more like make like two lights. So there's a gap between the middle of it.

30:39 You see the big bluish whitish lights in the middle there, and you can see the smaller ones around it. There is sort of something underneath her on the seven o'clock position. That's just Peter recording off the screen. You can't see it in the bottom, the bottom right and top right images. That's and I asked him, how on earth did you do that? He said, well, what I did was I just took a screen the video as it is, wide angle, you know, as it is as you're seeing it from the video screenshot, zoom in enhanced screenshot, zoom in enhance screen.

31:13 And it just created this lovely this lovely shape. And if you look closely at some of it, you can see that you may be able in the blue one there, you can see the dome. Yeah, maybe you can see it from the red light to the edges. You can maybe see outlines of the way the color shimmers around the object itself. And I suppose if you look towards the bottom right of the the inverted part, you might see like a shadowy black thing underneath if you look over to your left. I mean, if I had a musse, i'd highlight all this.

31:46 But you can see like a what seems like a flat edge of it. This thing has got shape and definition, and you can even make out some of the details. It's little hard to see you when you're first looking at it. If I had a mouse and as ability to zoom on. But yeah, I can see what you're saying though I have it in full screen. But I get credit the definition. I give credit to David on this one. I said, I have tried so hard to get that one. I get the red light on top. If you go to slide twenty seven, we get there.

32:18 Yes, I mean again, you saw this image earlier. But the bottom left one is another one I've tried. You can see it's got four lights again, four big ones the bottom left. You can see the red light on the top as well. Yeah,

32:34 you can even see in the top right again another enhancement, and I've inverted the color and an interest see if I could find things an interesting thing. I don't know if you can see it. Maybe it was in the other one. Can you see in the bottom maybe in the bottom right it's more predominant, But you can see in that little cluster of lights to the right side of like a triangle shape. Yes, yeah, that is so distinctive. It is right, it is. See it. I don't even need to point it out. You can see. I can I tell you what a look, but you can see it for yourself.

33:05 I mean that seems to be that seems to be some sort of fixture, some sort of some sort of part of its design. I mean, there are there are dozens of lights on this craft, and some of them are all going off at once. Some of them are not even it's only the big ones you see in the full video. In the full video, there are times it looks it's just it's hypnotic. It is. Yeah, So so, I mean, this has got to be a life changing experience. Now, was this a particularly religious family, and you know, did their views?

33:44 What do they think they saw that night? Do they think they saw a craft that was a reverse engineer? Do mean, we know about all the stuff that's happening in the United States right now with David Grush reverse engineering. Do they think what they saw was otherworldly? Or do they think this could have been man made? I'm sure if you sat down with them and had to chat, they would probably say the possibility would exist, it's man mate, But I would probably say they lean more to it being not from this earth.

34:12 Yes, to them, it just if we can make it, maybe we can, but just for them experience it, watching it and looking at it in real time. Obviously, we've got video footage but seeing it, it did something that you know obviously you just you're just in awe of it. It is such an amazing thing. And even at the end. And they're not a religious family, No, I don't think they are. I don't believe they're religious. I've never seen them mention God or Christian sort of things. I always like to see people's faith.

34:45 Yeah, I always like to see if it affects people's faith. No, if anything, it's definitely changed their views. They know they're real now, that's the one. That's the one thing, like like I did see something as a child, and that's why I'm interested. But you know, it's it was so long ago that you know, sometimes I don't remember if I'm constructing the memory to a degree. So you know, it's like I didn't have a camera, and I wish I could have an experience where I could document it and be like this is my like to have that degree of confirmation again, you know, it's it's something only a few, you know a handful of people in the world have, uh, And and I just again, we we seek it out and you know it and we and we never find it right and and these people, you know, just just one night the wind happened to blow over a trash barrel.

35:49 That happened to set this boy on on the path of seeing this thing. And and you know, it's odd to me. The timing, the time three am seems to be something that is a recurring theme. Between three and four am is when a lot of sightings take place. Do you think, to speculate to a degree, what do you think there's any correlation with that? You know, I've thought about this myself, and I have to say, I think there possibly is. I can't. It's called the witching hour, you know, there's a special time, yeah, in the dark, when the Earth is supposedly at its darkest moment, you know, away from the sun or something like that.

36:35 I mean, if you look at the longest days of the year, well, I mean the sun goes down about what maybe ten am ten p at nine past nine ten pm, depending on where you are. Yeah, but it's a very lot and it comes up around five o'clock, so you know you're talking at three o'clock, two three, three, three o'clock hour. Yeah, the light starts coming back around the earth or you know, especially the longest days here because Finstert Day is a very powerful day and I often one day, yeah, you know, because I would say this.

37:04 There's an ancient castle in Denby and a month after this event there was a sighting of a disc there and someone did get a photograph of it. And I'll go to that in just a second because I want to bring this up. I don't know if you've ever heard of ley lines or yes, of course points. Yeah, but in our country, someone has put together a map of what we call arbor points. These are things you find on the mountains up in the high peaks, and they're supposed to be according to the ancient Pagans, especially in the regions of that time, where the energies of the earth, you know, their energy all over the place, but there are places where they converge.

37:45 Yeah, they converge or they funnel, kind of like you know, you're like your body's fill of blood in there, like main arteries and veins. It's like that in a way. That's just that's the way I could describe it. But when you look at where dem when you will see someone where these lines are going, Denby runs across right right across one of them, or there's a it goes into a central hub in Sheffield, which is on the same sort of latitude or longitude or whatever it is in maps. But that is something I find interesting because if you go to slide let's go to slide five.

38:20 I hope you got it. Yeah, we go. I was, I was, I had lucky, I had this. Wow, that's the picture? Is that the wow? No? This is a month after No, No, that's what I mean. Is that? Is that a close up of the of the above picture? Yeah, there's two. I found this very early on in two thousand and not not not very early on, Yeah, very early on in two thousand and sixteen when I was I found that very early on in twenty sixteen because I was investigating a UFO called the Penturk incident. I don't know if you've ever heard of that one, but I came across I was looking.

38:58 I'll explain that very quickly. It's a very big case. That one, definitely up there with the ross was. Anyway, this is a picture of a Denby castle. It's quite an ancient ruin. Now it's still standing, but most of it's pretty much pretty much gone. But there've been UFO sight danes, vocal myth stories of like dragons and people slaying strange animals, and of course there have been stories of people who have been hit with beams of light burning. It's in what I mentioned. He's in the book, but that one there is by a man named Graham Evans.

39:36 It was in the media Denby, denbi media I'm printed in the local paper. And this was a month February first, just a month after the just after the Denbig Lights itself and Denby Castle is not too far away from where these family live, right, I mean this craft. If you look at this craft and kind of superimpose it over the other, you know, maybe the shape of it could be very similar to what was seen. You know, this is obviously we're just not seeing the lights, you know, coming on for whatever reason in the nighttime, the lights would be on.

40:19 So I'm surprised it and trying to say this is a whole punch cloud. Very difficult to call that a whole punch cloud, consider definitive. The disc is. There are two pictures of it actually, but this is about this. This is a good close up of it and the one that was put in the paper. So he was walking around Denby taking pictures of several occasions for a video I was that he was making. It was about two thirty pm. He reached Leicester's Church by Denby Castle, said mister Evans. I was just about to take the picture when an object suddenly appeared in the sky, moving very quickly from left to right.

40:59 So this thing was moving left to right. Okay, yeah, yeah, he's I've never actually spoken to this man. I'm sure I may have seen his video somewhere, but I know he lives in this area, or did live in this area. He was taking pictures and taking things and then there it was. You know, he saw it moving and staying still, and he managed to capture these images. And I guess it wasn't for these images he wouldn't have been able. But like I said, it's a month after from the families. From the family's window, you can see Demi Castle and up in the area where it may have been located, it's what you can see Denmie Castle.

41:33 Now, it's interesting that after a major sighting like this, there are always other sightings that take place which I've I've always learned about. Now I'm this is the UFO flap. I want to show you that close up. This is an illustration by Jason Gleaves. Actually you see those lights there, yes, in his original Yeah, you got to be there in the original analysis that he'd done. That particular image there that you're seeing is you're talking about overlays and captures or time references not show exactly what he'd done, but it's like he was able to what's the word I'm looking for.

42:14 I guess it's like a time lapse or a lengthy exposure or something of trying to figure out what this thing does. And that picture there is maybe a good representation of how he caught it. If you go to slide where is it forty eight? Yeah, that one on top there, like Denmi Wales twenty twelve, that's just like his his you know, his idea of how it may have been moving or something. It's a very interesting way in which he's done that. But anyway, you can see on the bottom there, the frame shows a distinct cliptical shaped formation.

42:53 And I just wanted to show you the daytime siting there because on the bottom right, on the bottom right, you can see that's exactly where it was. Wow, if you overlay day and now, because he's really good, you know, scaling pictures because you know, some people take wide screens. Some people do one by one or four by three or sixteen yes, yes, or sixteen by ten, So you're stretching the pixels, and the pixels are stretching the images that you're seeing. So he's been able to really put this into the correct way.

43:23 And if I bring up slide, he did some good work here because this is yes, he's very very good representation. Yeah, I want to I want to go to slide thirteen nine and slide forty. So if you do thirty nine first thirty nine, this is a further testimony in the details of the craft. The bottom right pictures Linda, she's walking me around a field called Kai Howell. If you saw the houses in the original images, there's a field, a big, large playing field behind it. And she was under the impression that instead of the craft being way up, we're gonna take a look at this in a moment, because this is all part of the analysis and comparisons that I've done, but this is kind of how we'll feel behind the houses in the distance you see from where you just saw the previous image, and she thought the craft was behind those houses or just around that area.

44:20 She wasn't far off, really, she wasn't really all that wrong. But you can see there's a school, there's a corner of the road, and as you see the image on the top, there is the let's see, Yeah, you can see a rounded, oval shaped thing with lights around the center. With the red lights on top. That's her. That's roaring. That is an immediate stick out is the top light. M that's amazing. What kind of craft does that? I mean, we know these things have red lights, but they don't act like that anyway.

44:54 That's amazing. So, like I said, I call myself a field researcher as well, because or field investigators. I like to go to these places. I like to look around myself. I want the people who have lived there, especially they've been there a long time, tell me then, tell me, you know, just tell me why is it not? Why? Why is it? Why does it stand out? Why is it peculiar? Yes? Exactly? And if we go to slide forty, is that not the one? Yeah? It should be. Okay, Uh, this is the The yellow circle represents where we were standing.

45:30 Again, the free arrows like the free red lines you're looking at. There are lines that I use for measurement and distance on Google Earth M and I just thought, well, this is a good way to reference it. And the lines all converge at their home the window, so that okay, So the lines converge at the lower bottom line of the screen at the the that's the line of sight from the window. Yeah, as you follow it up. I asked them, I mean, how big do you think it was? I mean sixty seventy feet wide is what I got.

46:02 So I thought, that's the reference I'm going to use, or maybe a little bit bigger. And the yellow circle is somewhere where they thought maybe especially Linda may have thought it had been. She wasn't far off. She may have been right. I mean what's interesting is when I use the when I use the overlay of Jason Gleaves image and I use their location, and I use Google Earth, and I used my knowledge of the area have to be and shown what was there that little those three lines at the top of the twelve o'clock position top middle there you can see where they've stopped in the middle, and I've put a red line across it.

46:39 It measures across at twenty six point seventy so I'm guessing if this thing is seventy feet wide, it's got to be within that little patch of land there behind the school or just behind across the road from the Kaihawal area. So we're getting very close to where this thing was. Yes, And I mean, this is the These are things I did for the case. You know, I thought, well, there's a lot we can really do here. And I just thought, you know, we've been able to We've got brilliant video, brilliant witnesses, brilliant testimony, you know, an analysis by Jason Glees expert video analysis and raf Man two.

47:13 So he knows about these things and the stuff that Peter Glen had done, and then everything else I can add on top. So why not write a book on it? No, this is a this is a very well researched and investigated case. I mean, so I am I I really like the visual representation because it does give you that you know, it's almost it allows me to see that the playing field, right, It allows me to see what what the area looks like, what they might have saw from a distance. So this is that was really great.

47:52 So and the military base that's close to that area, do you is it known if there's any nuclear connection to that base. I don't believe so now, but there are you know, I've never I don't believe any base in North Wales has or any Whales base on f base has nuclear weapons. The only one you only have one. Yeah, publicly, we do have nuclear power stations along those areas. What I would say is with I know what you're getting that because I know with the rendals in many other cases where nuclear bombs or nuclear weapons, nuclear technology in general, right, you know, so you know, it's just it's it's there is this common theme right between you know, even guys like Luilson who have said it between water nuclear and and UFO sightings.

48:50 You know, is is uh in this is there a body of water near there a large one? Well, North Wales goes out to the sea, goes out to the sea, of course naturally so on that's very interesting. Well there's a case, I mean, North Wales is to me, I mean, doing my years of research and figuring all this stuff out, I've come to realize that whales from the worst small country. I mean you, I mean some of your states are bigger than our country. You know what I mean? Yeah, America yeah, but when it comes to UFO sight things, my god, we've got so many Yeah, people forgetting you know, people always say this is like, oh, why are all the sightings in the United States.

49:35 That's not the case. It's just that we have the most people reporting them. Yes, that's very true. It's a data bas Yeah, in North Wales, there's a lot of sightings being recorded. Of course. I mean this one year. I'm just gonna hold it up again. That's available Amazon, so please buy a copy and the link, the link for it will be in the description below. Yeah, it'll bring you right to Amazon so you can buy it. It's a fantastic book. And I'll leave links for you for the presentation video that I did for Newport on this case, and of course the

50:13 video the documentary I made as well for that. You made a documentary for this. I did it my own one. I went to interview the family, a videotape, the grounds photographed, they did all the analysis work and I put it together. You know. That was my original thing. That's what I wanted to do for them because to me, it was fun to do it. Yeah, I'm doing something similar right now. So with Mario Woods. I think it's you know, I mean, you know, I don't have a you know, a production team or anything. You know, I've got a computer, I've got a camera, and I've got a good brain.

50:45 So let's go, and I've got the will to do It's you need any help, let me know. I'll fly over the pond. I'll hold you to that. Yeah, I might, I might do actually, because I'm not sure. Now I have enough a quick meant to arm a small TV studio and I do investigate. Well, I work with move On in Boston. Well, well, just just to put it out there then, I mean, I'm sure I'm not going to say yes to this, but I'll ask them. But I'm sure if someone was willing to put a documentary together and make it go on some sort of network, you know, I'm sure they would they would agree to be interviewed by you.

51:30 But I'll have to ask. But there needs to be and I'm sure they'll give you access. I mean, I mean, although I'm playing the footage, you know, this has been done for non monetary gain, you know, so if anybody there's a copyright issue there is, of course, yes, but North Wales has so many cases. There's the bear brought one up, you brought you brought another case up that you said is very interesting. Okay, so the Pantrick incident, which is I'm sorry you say penn. Can you say turk like jerk? You know, with turk pent turk?

52:04 Well it's properly yeah, Well it's probably pronunciations like pent turk. But that's the Welsh tongue. You gotta have that. Pent turk is fine, but no, that's South Wales. I was just I'm only mentioning that one because that happened on China. Sorry, February twenty six, twenty sixteen, in South Wales. I'm not much involved a giant pyramid triangular craft military things being shot down Wednesdays. Seriously, Kas Clark, if you haven't seen her, go look it up. We've had many people podcasters in America.

52:36 I'll talk about this, can you? I said, but this camera picking up Her name is kas Clark. She's a primary witness's. There's quite a few of them now. We do have a YouTube page called the pent Turk Incident if you want to go check it out. There's a website called the pent Turk Incident dot com. I will make these links available to you, so when you see them, you and look at yourself. But that case is what got me started really doing much wider more field of search investigations because this case hat's gone global and it's really really big, and that there is a picture of a that's a picture of well, I can't go into all deed because I want to continue on with the other one.

53:16 But after they saw there was a military build up, spy planes or search planes looking at the area, they seem to understand that something was going to show up. And then all this other military lot came along with Air Force helicopters, gunships and flipping jets and everything, and they had military on the ground. We know one of the things that this one of the one of these things here seventy twenty six, twenty sixteen. We know one of these like these kind of craft, a smaller craft that fifteen to twenty of them came out of the larger one.

53:45 One of them was shot down in the woods not about five miles away, and anyway, there's been a large investigation into that one, and it's really gaining a lot of traction. But this one here, I guess said the denby lights. I was working on this one at the same time I was working on the other one because I felt that that was a brilliant case with video evidence. But there are other cases as well that I've also found. Not these are not my ones, but I have I have one called the bear Wind Mountain. It happened in nineteen seventy four in a place called Fanelo.

54:19 I believe it is a village there. Forgive me if I get that wrong, forgive me. But it's in the book that what that involved a large explosion. People been walking out of their beds or violently scared by What was that? Like? You know, yeah, well some people have. Some people gone in contact with me and said their family were living in that area, so they felt some sort of pressure of like a shock wave kind of thing. And interesting. Yeah, So what happened then was is the neighborhood, obviously the village and people living wanted to go out and find what was going on, so they decided to.

54:56 They're looking around and within no time, all it seemed like the military we were on the scene. A new where to go. Now, this is much like the Virginia case, where it's almost like they're there before anyone can even Yeah, they seem to know where to go and what we're doing. And the Berwin Mountain has roads going up there. It's a series of mountains there, but the Berwin Mountain is the one that everyone knows. Anyway, long story shot on this one. The military was sending people to another mountain thinking that they are a plane crash.

55:25 They're giving them that impression. I believe. Of course, they also then some There was a lady named pat Evans. I believe she was driving with her two teenage daughters up on the mountain range of roads through there. She saw a large orange spherical object of some kind, and her daughters saw it too, and the military seemed to be shining lights on it, taking notes, maybe examining it in some way. Is there any of this? I don't think so. It later took off. It later took It's nineteen seventy five, who knew what can Oh wait wait wait wait wait wait, I'm thinking we're talking twenty sixteen.

56:04 Still Oh no, not that time. Oh if you're on about that case. Yeah, they tried to film Karas Clark and people tried to film that, but the phones wouldn't work. They switched off. It's like something was interfering with it. Like I said, that's a big case. That would take me like hours to really go into the big Okay, so now we're back on North Wales. Yes, but yeah, I was just giving you a history of some of the cases in this area. That was a that was a really good one and part later on Pot was later interviewed and people talked about.

56:36 But I think in the end she got sick and tired of talking about it because there was a lot of ridicules surrounding here as well, which is typical of people in this world. I mean, for God's sake, grow up, especially back then. I mean, it wasn't something it was something that was still being denied by the government. It was something that was you know, actively being engaged by the government to discredit and disguing to people from coming forward. We know this, It's just a fact. So yeah, I mean, I think Wales is rich in history and you know, could that you could there be a deeper tie to why these UFOs are seen in that area.

57:21 I'll get into that nowe because this is going to tie into what is this will tie in on page starting around page forty five. I have another case that I came across this is in nineteen seventy nine. I actually met one of the original witnesses during a trip up there. What happened? What is this is in klanechemev so very well she named. But it was behind a residential area on farmland, and it was daytime actually I was getting dark. I believe the sun was starting to go down. I think it was early years as well, like January February time.

57:52 Okay, kind of believes exact day I got it here. Oh yeah, November fifth, nineteen seventy nine. This one involved like a rocket or bullet shaped thing coming out of the sky and landing in a field, sort of obscured by the dip in the banking below. But three occupants seven feet tall came out of this thing, and they were wearing these sort of like radiation looking suits, you know, the kind you find in nuclear spills. Yes, of course, and one of them, you know, one of the And this case was very well investigated by BUFORA, which is like the British UFO research agency or association of that time.

58:30 I do have links to it in the book, and I have the report that was made of it. And I just thought it was a very unique case again North Wales. And you know, this is an image of the actual description of it here. Wow, that's page can you actually can you hold that up one more time? Yeah, let me just get back to it. Sorry, I didn't realize you wanted to. That's This is an that bears a striking semblance to something I've seen before. Yeah, not myself personally, but a different case. Oh yeah, this has been seen a lot of times.

59:09 I mean Netflix are doing the series on what characters? Yeah, yeah, Triangle Haven Triangle. Yeah, because where I live in Boston, we have the we have the the oh my god, the Bridgewater Triangle. I feel like everyone has a triangle, you know. But yeah, this is this is very odd. Indeed, I don't know why that is. Maybe it's just the way things line up on the map, but it's interesting that the triangles have some very sort of fractal, fractal geometry kind of look to it. Well, there's some sacred geometry.

59:45 Yeah, you know, I meant to say, I've been looking further into you know, like people like Randall Coralson and Graham Hancock and and that all that stuff, as well as sacred geometry and the more you know, could these could there have been ancient cultures that that we're more advanced in a different way that we are we would call advance like we think of as advance as technology, right, like technology like what we're talking on right now. But could they have had more advancement in other areas where we, like we're only now rediscovering.

1:00:32 So you know, it's an interesting it's an interesting thought. In Wales is rich in history, I mean the area just itself. Well, yeah, I'm gonna mention something that's always coming up. I mean, when we talk about geometry and you talk about lens and triangles, obviously we're talking about mathematics, and when you talk about ancient sume Aria, this is a culture that just came out of nowhere in a very short space of time, you know, I mean, it took a century or two or whatever, but but in the cosmic scheme, it kind of just popped up.

1:01:08 Yeah, I mean just just you know, I mean, for millions of years or whatever, we're wandering around from place to place, trying to hunt to gather, and then all of a sudden we're just in no time at all, within a few decades or centuries we've developed. They've developed the Sumerians, this unbelievable mathematics, the hexagesonal system, I think it's called involving the number sixty. And with that, they're mapping stars, they're mapping constellations, they're understanding the movement of planets.

1:01:33 They're they're coming up with I mean in Japan, I'm seeing in China the kids use these little abacus things, you know, these little well they got a little beads on little little yeah yeah, abicus. Yeah, I mean, I mean they can do mathematics faster on that than a calculator, you know what I mean. Yeah, I've seen eight or ten year olds do that. Do that now with their heads, you know, they can it's like, you know, so many billions times this, you know minus whatever, like and it's like, yeah, that's what it is.

1:02:02 And all I'm saying is right, maybe they didn't have the technology like electronics and digital and stuff like that, but maybe they understood something with mathematics and the spiritual essence of things and you know, the physical the physical surroundings. I guess maybe right. And and I hate to say it, like like call it magic, but you know, in these texts and in these in these these religions that are that are created out of this. There's there's much talk about, you know, magical, you know, a more magical era of the of the world, one that we think is now all just folklore and fairy tale.

1:02:50 But could it have been more real than we think, you know, using using sound and frequency to lift objects? Could that be a technology we know now that there is something too resonant frequency as your point, energy is another thing that have become very, very very hyper focused on. So what are your thoughts on some of those aspects of the phenomena. Because we're not just talking about UFOs here, I want to get a little bit more broader with you, but I lean towards pretty much what you're saying there.

1:03:24 With sounds and frequencies and resonans and stuff like that. I've seen some really interesting videos where people have been able to do some pretty impressive things with just sound. I mean, I've seen one let levitate mag bring, you know, attract things without magnets. I mean, I've even seen one guy using sound. He didn't you know how he done it. I guess it was just magic. But he would use like a little little sound device he tuned into a frequency with some sort of coil inside this little metal ball, and he's stick it in a stick it in a bowl of water, and he boil it with sound.

1:03:58 Boil it with sound. He boiled water with sound, and he could literally boil it, you know what I mean it did. It didn't use heat or you know, some sort of stove or electric kettle. This is just putting his hand on it like this. Nothing nothing, nothing, stick stick it in a bit of water, and off it went. You know. I boiled it very quickly as well. That's amazing. And I mean I've seen stories about Coral Castle Edward Lee Scallion. Have you ever heard of that one? Yes, yes, yes, yeah, years ago. I came across it myself.

1:04:31 But I mean the story goes, and this story has I don't think the story has ever been that refuted. He was able to move these huge stone blocks, you know, like a ton or two ton or three ton. I think the biggest one may have been five and he's just doing He's building this place all by himself, and some people are sort of like curious, you know, trying to get a vantage point of what he's doing, and they would describe him using a device and the's like two things he would attach on the end of a rock or there or there, and he would just levitate huge things on his own.

1:05:03 That's just going by the stories. The coral castle is really you can see it for yourself, and everybody knows. He didn't use winches or forklifts or flatbed trucks or some sort of heavy lifting hydraulics. He just did it all himself within no time at all. There it is, you know, so, and I think some people did press him on this is how did you do this? I mean, I mean the word is you didn't use any of that stuff. I just said, you know, he says, oh, I just discovered the secret of the ancients. He wouldn't share it because I think he knew people would abuse it, but that that is definitely that is definitely something I'm very impressed.

1:05:44 And we know that these alternative energy devices that are they become, you know, something that's being talked about more and more frequently in the mainstream because of you know, just the topic becoming more mainstream. You know, I what do you think about everything that's going on in the current sphere of UFOs in the United States government specifically. I think there is a plan for disclosure, but it's been done any pace. Yeah, process, Yeah, I think people, I guess would just say, can you get to the end stage because we kind of went through the process a long time ago.

1:06:23 But obviously there's I mean, they're using new language, non human biologics and non human intelligence and identified a hereal phenomena. I think what they're literally doing right now is they're just confirming what we've already known for a long time that yes they're real, Yes they've been crashed, Yes you've recovered them, and yes you have actually probably set up places for back engineering. It's David Grusha, I think, along with the guy from the nimitzan can forget his name, is that the pilot.

1:06:57 The pilot is Favor and then which is a he's a friend and Kevin Day is the the He was the radar operator that vector. He's a good friend of mine, like a really good friend. I've actually stayed in his house. He's the one who vectored the flight. So he he's the one who was like, guys, I've been tracking these things for days. We need to go see what they are. So yes, yeah, what can you say you got pilots who are coming forward telling you the technology is unlike anything we've ever been able to replicate or we could.

1:07:37 I mean, I mean, his jet at the time was supposed to be state of the art, and this thing was of the best. Yeah, this thing was making him look like you know, it was like you know, I guess it's like lasers and photon beans versus a stone age catapult, you know. Right. So anyway, Yeah, the I think we I think Trump before he left office, he made sign an executive order. Yeah, he told them, look, you're gonna disclose everything, you know. I think I understood that. There was a report released in June of twenty twenty one where they actually said certain amounts of UAPs, they've only been able to identify one one out of one hundred and forty cases.

1:08:19 I do, I do, you know, I was discussing this before. I do believe they've actually upgraded that report now, and I think they've added a number to it. It's more like up to three hundred now, three hundred and something, Yeah, yeah, three sixty or something like that. That that's gone, that's kind of gone under the radar rather quietly. If you'll ask me. That's quite significant because that's a confirmation of things you and I have been looking into for years and people have denied it. So I think we're we're at there now, We're at the stage now you can't deny it.

1:08:48 They know it's real. It's time that people started asking questions of the government. I know here in the UK that's not going to happen because which disappoints me. It really does, because you know, I've had congressmanber Shett on the show. You know, I've talked to not my congressman, but a congressman of a completely different state who ran, or was supposed to run, and kind of ran the UFO hearing. He was instrumental in its conception and it's followed through. I was able to sit with him and talk about it, you know, So, like, why isn't that happening in your country?

1:09:31 Oh, to be honest with you, I've noticed a serious downward trend of complete ignorance in all areas of life in the UK. I mean when I live in Wales, I mean we're getting this impression. Now, I wouldn't call it an impression anymore. For me, our government has just become a dictator. They're telling us what to do. I mean, they just recently passed the lower over here that twenty miles an hour is now everywhere, you know, in towns, cities and certain areas of the country, you know. I mean they we've had a twenty mile an hour law for schools and you know, like hospitals and stuff, because you're dealing with very fragile and sensitive areas where kids and people could But what I'm trying to say is is that we didn't ask for it, We didn't give us a vote on it, just did it onto you.

1:10:19 Yeah, so that fun. Yeah, that's that's kind of weird. Yeah, but I mean the Welsh government's a joke. To be perfectly honest with it, we call it's it's it's like everything the World Economic Forum wants. The leader of this country just seems to sign off on it. Mark Drickford just goes, yeah, we'll do that, and we'll do that too, and we'll do that too. And I know, if I can mention this, you know, I mean there's an organization that I have been helping. It's called Public Child Protection Whales.

1:10:47 Just to cut a long story short, I know you have problems with this in your country too. It's where they're trying to sexualize children with a new type of sex education system, not the current one, but this new one they're bringing in bringing in now, and it's already having a detrimental effect on children's mental healths. Again and confuse, they don't know what they are. You know, they're being told I mean their kids now would be we're identifying as animals, and the and the teachers, all the people they high and they go along with it like it's some normal thing.

1:11:16 It's like, no, no, we you know, we as a society, we all agree that children do not know what they want and they do they do not know what they need. And that's why their parents are around right for the first eighteen years, because we need they need the guidance. Right they're they're learning who they are up all the way until twenty two, twenty three years old. We should not be telling them that they can be an a that they can they can change their their their they can alter their body in any way.

1:11:56 We don't let them drink beer in most countries until they're twenty one. You should not be able to alter your body until that age as well. Exactly just saying with a license to cars, buying certain products over the county, you know you've got to be of a certain age to get these things. Is yeah, even when you want to get even when you want to get married or legally have kids or something. I don't know, you asked for licenses, and certainly we say why. Well, the point I'm making is right that the public child protection wills wanted to have a conference or a meeting about this.

1:12:35 They had to get so many signatures for a certain thing. They got those signatures in a short space of time. The government said, whatever we're not doing, We're not going to follow the legal channels we set up. Then they took them to court and they actually got a judicial review. That means, you know, a judges looked at this thing that they're trying to do without our consent. They didn't ask us, they just did it, and they said there's some rious concerns here and you're we need to have a look at this.

1:13:03 And then there was a big court case and a big thing about it. But you know, I think that the judge never really gave it a fair, fair process, and they tried taking it. I think they wanted to take it. They tried getting an appeal that was denied. Then I think they were looking at the bigger courts in the land and they said, well, we don't think you're going to be able to fund this this case over a long period of time, given the cost of the funds and everything. So they just denied it, and they've been rolling it out in places.

1:13:30 I mean, the thing that worries me is is that we're telling you we don't want it, we don't ask for it. This is the mentality I'm getting to now right not discussing the full detail of this, is that with the twenty mile an hour, the fifteen minute cities, the Green Agenda, that the Sexual Education RS thing, we didn't ask for any of this and you're just doing it. And it's the same with England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Thetunity as a whole, ules in Bloody London, I mean that went down, well, they're chopping all the cameras down over there.

1:13:59 The point is, it's like when it comes to the anything that the public is asking for, they do the opposite. Anyone harms the public, they do we can ask for. It's like there's been a big buzz around all this now. I mean I even wrote to my damn MP about all this. You know, maybe we should set up some kind of office or would you support I should have gone, I don't you. Yeah, I asked people, can you write to your MPs and ask them just just let's just get the ball wrong here a little bit, because we want to Me and Ka's Clark were going to set up a process, a petition for disclosure, not the seven office to investigate, not to have ask anyone now to take reports and investigate or do detailed analysis.

1:14:46 So start telling us everything, you know, because we're at that stage now where we know these things are really because in America you're saying it in other places, you know, and as much as many people don't like Russia, the even they have a sort of disclosure thing go going on. I mean I saw it was going on with Ukraine. I mean I wish it never happened, but yeah, make those decisions. But the point is in the UFO is when it comes to like the stigma's over now we can we're ready, there's no there's no there's no need for secrecy.

1:15:15 Would you be interested in looking at it? And they just go no, Nope and that's such such an ignorant stance, and and you know what, history won't be kind to the The history won't be kind of those who won't take risks, bold action and chances. So you know that's you know, a lot of people complain about living in the United States, but not me. I think, uh, you know, as far as that goes, I I I have my complaints, but I still I still think that we're you know, at the forefront of of of of almost uh all industries.

1:15:59 So you know, I like it here. Well, we were talking about before. Let me think about the bodies of water. Now, there have been other cases that I mentioned. I'm not gonna waste more time, but the one called Night of the Triangles. That was a free triangle case craft that was seen going through all of Wales from south to north and then headed out to to Liverpool off the coast of Liverpool or Blackpool or something and maybe both. I don't know anyway, but that part of England. There have been many things seen coming out of the sea in in North Wales.

1:16:33 I've got a lady now who sent me something about a craft that looked like a V shaped craft and it looked like how can I describe like boxes curved boxes put together, you know, in a sort of V formation. And she's telling me she saw something up there, and I'm just trying to get more and more evidence and things about that. The point is that there are people like myself who believe. I can't say I can confirm this, but we are very strong on the idea now that there's an underwater base of some kind out to the north part of Wales, which is why the sightings so frigging numerous, and why so many people are seeing them out at sea, going in or out or up or down around that area.

1:17:15 So yeah, if I can just ask you to do something, this is going to tie in lovely with this Slide forty three, all right, yeah, and I just gotta wrap up in a moment. How long do we have. I have probably another five minutes because I gotta make it to her by four. So slide forty three. This is Gary Rowe. He's an investigator UFO investigator of many decades, probably one of the best ones I've encountered, really very knowledgeable. Should be getting I don't know whether this is called Europe's for oswell UFO crash at Aberystwyth, which is in the area around the Berwin Mountain.

1:17:53 I told you about that thing, that thing on the Gary Rowe was told about some bree in some land of farmland or whatever, and that he went and got his team together to look for The military had been there, covered it all up, cleansed the area like so many have come across. But he did find he thought, well, as quick as they may have been and as efficient they may have been, they couldn't have got it all. And he found those pieces right there. And according to his documentary, which was done by Mark Olly, I've never met the guy, but he did a good job on this.

1:18:29 I liked it. There's a book coming out on it as well. Actually there's supposed to be a lot more. But those pieces he recovered there, he says, I mean, those are my photographs of it. He says that that large piece is like a like something on an aircraft, but the paint is very aerodynamic and advanced, and it's it's like, why aren't we covering our aircraft military or even commercial in this thing. It's so aerodynamic and incredible at silvery piece, I believe, he said, it's like tinfall, but it's so strong.

1:19:01 You know, you couldn't hurt it with a hammer. That polystinery bit there in the middle and the bottom left. That's again it's like a honeycomb sort of style r and you can it's so light, it's like polystyary, but you can stand on it and hit it with something heavy. Apparently, and I say apparently, I've never seen him do it, but I mean, I don't have any reason to disbelieve this man. The partly that that is incredibly strong material, that's physical evidence he found as something. The aluminum, it really intrigues me because we hear about that in Virginia, we hear about that in Roswell, we hear about that in so many cases where there's this metal where you know, it's almost like aluminum, but it'll it's like a indestractible and it's got tremendous, tremendous strength for something for what appears to be quite light exactly exactly.

1:19:58 So listen, Garry, I would love to have you back, because I know we only have a limit amount of time today, but I would love to have you back to talk about the the other the other incident, the pent Turk incident. If you if you be on board at that, we could do that sometime in the next month or so. And I'm not joking, you know, if you ever need help on anything, you know, I went to film school and I have a plethora of of of stuff, so I'd love to I'm trying to get more boots on the ground and make more videos that are like docu style and and and you know, start off by putting them on YouTube, but then hopefully selling them, you know, selling them as as full feature length documentaries.

1:20:47 Yeah, yeah, well yeah, I'll just say, yeah, you know, Danie Lights, I think everyone can now see that's a pretty I mean, I call it a truthful argument for the existence of UFOs, not because I'm can to prove it. I'm just saying, if you're pointing to someone who's just getting into this or says, okay, you know skeptic even now, show me a case that actually does that, then there you go. There you go what it is right there? Yeah, it's available on Amazon. You can get it on Kindle audiobook as well.

1:21:15 You know, some people like to listen. All prices are available on that site. I'll make the links available to you, so if people are interested, please you know. I mean, I'm trying to get the sales up, you know, I'm trying to get this case out there. It's hard work, you know, especially with Christmas and money being tightened. Everyone's watballets and persons and everything. But yeah, if you could leave a review, if you've ever written it, or read it or written it, if you ever read it,

1:21:39 yeah, that's my that was my job. But yeah, you know, just leave me, leave me, leave mea like in a review. Great. Yeah, And like I said, all the descriptions will be in the all the links will be in the description below. Not all the descriptions will be in the links below, because that doesn't make any sense. So we want to thank you Gary for on the show tonight and and we we really look forward to having you on in the future to talk about to walk about more. Guys. Make sure we like you are, subscribe and join our membership on YouTube.

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