#93- MELINDA LESLIE: HUGE UFO FLAP HAPPENING NOW IN SEDONA, AZ?!? Melinda Breaks The News Of UFO activity "All over the place"

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2:29 Thank blank and station you cover the entire UF Oh now then over the past twenty years, All right, guys, welcome back to Total Disclosure here on YouTube and across all Poocaust platforms, where we explore the mysteries of the unknown, from sightings to conspiracy theories, uh, everything unexplained, from ocurrences in our skies to occurrences on the ground. We cover it all. And if you're intrigued about extra trust, your life and its possibility of being here on this planet, or just in general, then you're in the right place.

3:42 Today we have a super special show for you in our guests. Wilanda Leslie uh is not only a UFO or you know, alien abductee, but she is what I would consider an expert in the field uh researcher. She's done television appearances, movie slot, new name, and she's done it. We'll let her get into a lot of that. And today we have your early access for members again. If you want to sign up for a membership that's either on YouTube or Patreon, you could do that. All the links are in the description below for not only the guests on her profiles, but for art.

4:21 So sign up, get early access content at free content like you're about to see here today, and we really thank you in advance. Happy Alday seasons to everyone on the spree at ARC. Yes, is Melinda Leslie

4:38 hi there? Thanks for having me. Yeah, No, I'm excited. This is a show that I've been trying to get under my belt for a while now. As you know, I've been pestering you for some time. I'm glad that I'm glad that my persistency paid off on this one. Well, and this may be a little different kind of show than whatever you originally intended to cover with me, but I have. I have a kind of a story to drop some information. Yeah, that's what I find. That's why I switched, because I did so for everyone who is watching or will be watching or listening.

5:16 So the original Skeptic was going to be that to release a Dindall what air as episode ninety two. That has now changed and I'm going to drop this episode with Melinda as it is kind of like she said, she has some information to tell us and it pertains to what the U of PHO whistle Lewis are talking about and what is going on in Congress and with Dave Brush and all that. So before we get into that, Londa, I want to talk about your origins, in that moment of conversion in your life where this became the path that you went down, you know, and you didn't become an astronaut, you didn't become a politician for lack of manator, it becomes a food.

6:05 Why to talk about the origin story? Well, it's a long story. And rather than take too much time, because I really have a lot to share with you today. In nineteen eighty nine, see, I had been involved in paranormal things, metaphysics and paranormal research and studies since I was a kid, but very hardcore since I was in high school. And in nineteen eighty nine, I took a last minute of fluke of a trip A lot of people listening have probably heard this out to Area fifty one in Nevada with some friends right when the Bob was our story was breaking, and had absolutely incredible sightings UFO sciyens and met researchers out there on.

6:58 I took three back to trips in the fall of nineteen eighty nine. I was living in southern California at the time. I'm now in Sedona, Arizona, and in living in southern California, so you know, drive to Vegas and now to fifty one and had amazing sighting. So I again not wanting to take a lot of time, but also something about having all those sightings was concerting a key in turning it because I started to have memories come forward of childhood, teenage, and young adult abduction experiences. And then I had new experiences, including roommates of mine at the time witnessing things happening to me and my self driving with two friends on a mountain road and the three of us getting taken together from the car So between my memory experiences, what my roommates were witnessing happening to me, and then being taken while driving with some friends.

7:52 You know, that all added up to my what I call my expiration of my abduction experiences and be and me on that path to doing et abduction research and meeting other people and kind of going down that road and then somewhere along the way not well, actually that's starting late eighty nine, early ninety and in the early nineties I suddenly had two unique different kinds of experiences both actually ninety three, nineteen ninety three, I'm having born. It makes me feel I was working at world already and you know, it's all good, it's all good, and it's all good, and and that I can't imagine, like, you know, being into uphology and not being there for the whole you know, beginning of alsam.

8:50 Sorry, that's crazy, and so I here I could adjust this because I say it's cutting off. So I uh, that began everything. And then I had some new experiences which were what were referred to as millbm IL for military and ab for abduction. I was became of interest to covert human agencies because of my E T abduction experiences, and that started me investigating all that, realizing, you know, coming to terms with what happened to me and what was happening to me and as well as other people, and meeting other people that had had that happen.

9:36 So that began that whole investigation and there we go. So that's kind of the beginning of how I got into the UFO subject. And so I've been in it now for thirty five years, you know, a long time, and through a lot of changes in it, gone to a lot of fantastic conferences, followed all the big name researchers, became very good friends with a great deal of them. And uh and I'm you know, I'm blessed by what this has meant to me. It's certainly my involvement in the field has helped me with my own personal experiences and then eventually led to my being here in Sedona, Arizona, because I moved here thirteen years ago to start these UFO siding tours that I do with military night vision goggles.

10:25 After Ed Grimsly in northern California who turned everybody on to seeing craft with night vision, I was one of those early people who turned onto it, and and then realized okay, you know, and and then had the idea to start a business here. I'd come to Sedona on an office the early eighties and always wanted to live here, and so everything lined up and here I am to make that possible for me. Well, big Sedonah. And I want to touch on a couple of things here because I don't want to I don't lose them.

11:00 So first thing I want to talk about is my lab. Now, for anyone who's listening who's not familiar with what that is, and you go into a litle bit of detail, not too much, but yes, certainly I can. It's extreme, Yes I can. It's extremely complicated, and if someone's new to it, it's a learning curve to understand it. But it is very important. Basically in a nutshell millab ism IL for military ab for abduction. It was coined by Kat Wilson, a well known abduct tee who wrote a book called Alien Jigsaw and worked with a couple of the leading abduction researchers, and she said, gosh, it's like I'm being abducted also by the military as well as by aliens and having this harassment and the surveillance stuff happened, and so she came up with that acronym because you know, at the time nineties everything was acronyms and the field kind of still is.

12:05 And so she said, you know, so she came up with the term mill EAB and and that you know, sorry, I'm just stiff today, so I'm trying to stretch here, stretch it out. You needed to pop, that'd be good anyway. So, you know, just just came up that term as a way to explain what was happened to her. And and then Helmet Lammer and his wife, Marian, Austrian researchers wrote a book called Millabs that asked her if she if they could use the name for their book, and she said, sure, I don't own it. I just you know, came up with it as quickly to deride what was happening to me.

12:46 Yeah, you got it. So so there we go. So that began where the background was on that and it in a nutshell, it just means extraterrestrial abductees who then get targeted by humor in agencies, you know, like they have harassment and surveillance monitoring, they get befriended by insiders and then they may have an experience that has covert humans involved, and that can be you know, military or subcontractors or intelligence community or all the above. Okay, so we've been hearing more stories about stuff like that, So that's very interesting, Like so covert I mean, even a storm just broke from Christopher Sharp of the UK where the CIA is great article.

13:43 Yeah, so there's a c great articles. Yea. The allegations are that they've been at least nine programs. I mean, what do you think of that? That's what I mean. Okay, Now, if you if you'll let me get into what I'm here to talk about, it'll go to that and beyond that. Okay, that's that's directly related. Okay, that's fine. I mean, I'll answer your questions, follow your lead. But I know, you know, you're asking me things that can take so much time to really address, and you know, and I'd be happy to come back and do another show addressing some of those things in depth, you know, But there's something going on right now that I'm involved in.

14:25 That's a big deal. Now many of you may have heard. So for instance, yes, there is that article that you just mentioned. Amazing well done by Christopher Sharp and I forget Josh's last name and Matt Ford work together on that, and if people haven't read it, it's required reading in the field right now, there's a lot of required listening and required reading. Because the other required thing besides that is to listen to Danny shan on some of his recent interviews in the last two days, either with Matt Ford of uh A Good Trouble Show exactly, thank you the Good Trouble Show, and or maybe with James Y and Doley on on Engaging the phenomenon.

15:17 So either of those I highly recommend listening to. He did those both yesterday and night before last. Before he was on those, Daniel Sheen is a very good friend of mine, and I was on attorney Daniel Sheen, and I was on the phone with him for I think it was over two hours, and so please listen to those. But I was on the phone with him because I had been he we're very good friends, and I had been informing him a little bit about some stuff going on here in Sedona and its significance right now and it and in the I had last talked to him about it probably three weeks ago, and so I really needed to update and date update him on where it had gone right and so long story short.

16:11 So what I'm going to do here is is I'm going to first explain why what I'm about to say matters, and then I'll and then I will give everybody you know, the roadmap to get you there, so you understand why it matters. And you know, the road map is how I got to there, and by the end of the show you'll understand that. And then also what it says about the witnesses, And you brought that up in introducing me. The insider witnesses coming forward, I am seeing myself and others who are investigating this I'm now working with a team here in Sedona, realize that what we're experiencing right now is proving the witness is in spades.

17:01 And you said, oh, you know, like the article said, nine crash retrievals, you got what we're witnessing suggest something so much bigger, so much deeper, such a bigger rabbit hole, and the implications are so staggering that this is a much much bigger story than pretty much anyone in eupology realizes. And I think they're regarding to you because of the pushback with the uap DA, the uap Disclosure Amendment and et cetera, et cetera. But so I am, me and other people right now as a team are witnessing stuff happening here in Sedona that proves Grush and these other witnesses.

17:48 It proves them in spades. And we're seeing it every night for sixty five nights. Yeah, when you told me the numbers, now I always and this is what I want to go back to. Is Sedona. Sedona? The place is rich in history. It is who I believe that's the home of Devil's Tour right, No, no, no, Devil's Tower is is Wyoming. That's Wyoming' sorry? What is the what's the place? We have a lot of big red rock formations here that are known as artices, war Texas or dises, places of energy, and Sedona is always kind of thought of, as you know, if you will, mecca for new agers, you know, and the energy, but it's it's also an outdoor hiking and outdoor you know, sports enthusiasts, and an artistic community and a film community, and you know, so it's known for a bunch of things.

18:57 But that that's funny. You should bring up the history, because that was one of the things I absolutely wanted to start with. But before I get to that, like I said, it proves the witnesses, it proves. So that's why everything I'm about to say for the show matters, because it not only backs up and proves all these witnesses, it's absolutely correct. And you know what I know, curse, you know, grush. But I'm also going into what I know the other ones are talking about with with crash review, crash retrievals, and reverse engineering programs.

19:31 It proves that article you know about the CIA's in movement correct, you know, and the existence of underground bases, because we'll get into that. And then also why so much pushback from these companies involved, Because I found some evidence implicating one of these companies directly into what I'm investigating. I mean, someone else kind of clued me into a possibility, and I looked into it and spent some time online and I end up, Oh, I meant to send you. I may try to send it to you a messenger before the end of the show.

20:03 Maybe you can if you can put up images. Are you able to do that? Yeah? Me through like Twitter? Okay, And I can pull it. I can pull it right now, okay, yeah, yeah, Like is it better to twitter DM or messenger on Twitter? Because on this I don't I'm not logged into Facebook. Okay, okay, So anyway, so I'll see if I can do that for you, but uh, in a little while or if I don't know, if we take a break or notever, I could do it if there's a break, but if not, I'll just you know, take a moment do it. Okay, So it just you guys, like you know, time, I'm always like, oh yeah, I'll do all the stuff beforehand, and then I get phone call, phone golf, phone call, and time goes, yeah, why shouldn't they be different than any other you know?

20:55 So suddenly it's like okay, you know, never mind, Okay, now, so there you go. And then so let's with that note, I'll go into some history because there's some background information needed for this, Okay, I'll say, because everyone's like, well, what are you witnessing? I'm sure they're thinking that right now. So I'll talk about that briefly and then we'll go back to it because more can be said. But what started happening at the end of my tours that normally back in the end of September ended it eight thirty a lot of stories, well actually more like nine, and I had clients out with me at our regular viewing spot the other end of town where we're kind of up on a hill with a wide view in all directions, and I think we stayed a little late or something started to happen regarding seeing a lot of military aircraft swarming out over our hills and realizing that was not normal at all, and now that it may have started.

22:15 We first started noticing this on September twenty seventh, and this may have started before September twenty seventh. I'm just saying that's when we were out a little later and we're catching something that start at like nine point thirty, and okay, and so we're seeing now at the time uncertain. We definitely had military jets going over us circling many more than usual, but then some possible helicopters. Now that I can say, in sixty five days, I personally have witnessed what I'm about to describe.

22:53 At least forty five nights out of sixty five there were it's a handful of cloudy nights that we didn't do this, and or raining, and then there was six days in a row where we went to see it and nothing happened, sort of six days of not happening. So but on the seventh day it was off the hook and even more than it had been previously. So what we started to see the end of September September twenty seventh is the military coming in and swarming. And then we started to see things that we would normally see on my tour.

23:32 Objects come in up in the sky, come down so UAP or UFO coming in and doing what we've always called a power up, which is they get a big they turn into a great big light like they get brighter. Okay, Now, often what we'll see if you take the goggles down, because we're military night vision goggles and if they're bright enough, you can take the goggles down. And I always tell my clients on my tours about a third what we're gonna see you can see with your own eyes, you know. The other two thirds are higher up, dimmer.

24:04 That's where the beauty of the night vision comes in. But in this case, you know, so these were powering up, clearly visible to the naked eye. When they did so. And I've taken out many physicists and plasma physicists on my tour. A handful of plasma physicists have gone into the most detail about what I'm about to say, which is that these things will get really bright to we call a power up and they'll become an amber light. Amber means anything gold, orange, or red like the color amber. And then I'm told by these same experts, plasma physicists, then in the lab it's like fifty times more power I have to get the red, you can get blue, and then another fifty times more power you can get green.

24:52 So we get amber light normally. In all my years thirteen years of doing these tours, and it's worth telling everyone just they can I ge how much that is my last tour. I've had a couple of nights real cloudy, but my last tour was tour one thousand, seven hundred and fifty eight. Wow, I've done it one thousand, seven hundred and fifty eight tours. And so you're gonna county, You're gonna take You're gonna take me on a tour. We'll talk about that, but you yeah,

25:25 and I have to like you, so we'll talk after the show. Sure, I'm opacitating, so sure. By the way, this power up this has been documented by guys like Stephen Breer with the SEI initiative. I can't say that I'm like super supportive of Stephen Breer, but I think I think all of us need to be in this together. Well, you know, everything from off the sightings that Chris Bledsoe is having, in the sightings that James gill Land to gill On Ranch is having. You know, all these people are saying they're powering up reps.

26:00 Were these big amber lights visible to the you know, naked eye, And it was these plasma physicists who said, what you're getting is something bleeding so much energy it's ionizing the air around it. That ionization is called electrical plasma. So when you see amber and a siding, you're seeing ionized air of something bleeding a huge energy field. And plasma physicists coming on my tour have even said they can't imagine how big of an energy source that would be. That it would be, you know, it would be visible at that distance, at any altitude or any distance from you, and yet and yet here, you know, we've seen this

26:51 repeatedly on my tours. But what's so significant about the activity I'm talking about now? So going back to not only were we start to see so many military gather in the area, and now from doing so many of these, from doing you know, all my tours one thy, seven hundred and you know fifty eight that we've become very good about denoting like And I've had a lot of aircraft experts come out with me in pilots and whatnot, a lot a lot over the years to not only hear their accounts, but also when they come out with me, I learned from them.

27:30 So double and triple blink patterns are usually military, and we kept seeing all these ones with what I would call a triple blink pattern like blinklink blink blinklink blink blinklink link like that. And see, well, no, no, we normally see them on my tour. But it's normally, like I tell my clients, we're not as the crow flies were only an hour and a half from Phoenix and outside about it, as the crow flies outside of Phoenix's Luke Air Force Space and there's another for space always forgetting its name outside of the Tucson area, And so we get a lot of military coming in and patrolling the area ever since patrit Act nine to eleven, right, so we have a lot of military, and so that's normal to see military.

28:15 That's that's what I'm saying. We know on the tour when we're seeing them, we see them all the time. But you know, to see twenty in an hour might be over the whole area, all of because we're sharing the same sky, you know, with Sedona, Cottonwood, Prescott on the air side of the hill, Flagstaff up the hill. You know, so every all these other ones are within forty five minutes or less of us. And then Cottonwood's just down the hill from where I have my clients, and and Clarkdale and whatnot, and you know, so yeah, of the area, Okay, just to show people love if these no Phoenix, I mean, where's uh Sedona on there?

29:07 It does even there's Williams. I see that. So Sedona is between those. So Sidonia is not in regular air space. The only reason I brought that up, and the reason I brought that up is is okay, that's good. Yeah, mat of the area and if you consume it. Okay. Again, the only reason I brought that up was to say, we've become very good at seeing when there's military aircraft, and yes they do fly over us often, but not out over the hills. Now, what's significant about where those hills are is that is where we have a dumb, deep underground military base.

29:46 There is now overwhelming evidence for that being there,

29:52 and it's not what so it's not it's not legitimately cons Yeah, I mean deep underground military bases are highly secret. They're not announced, and people don't know where they are other than a variety of research and insiders and whatnot. So yes, I mean the you know, these things are generally not confirmed. No, Yes, the whole point is they're trying to mix up the very hidden you know. Okay, but we have one out here. Now there's a lot of evidence and support of that. Just a couple very quick ideas, sorry big, it's the idea.

30:31 And then there's some new evidence done by a TV show which I'll get into just a minute. Okay, So those hills in that area is known for being immediately over a majority of this space. This underground base is before I even moved here. For years, local veteran researcher Tom Dongo wrote books about it. Linda Bradshaw, who is the last family member of the Bradshaw family at Bradshaw Ranch here in Sodona, which you'll get into in just a minute. But she would witness stuff. Okay, they and for instance, even the owner of the Center for New Age.

31:16 I'm in my office there at the center, and so

31:21 they am the owner of the center and others. So I even before coming here, I had heard about people out hiking in our canyons. And you know, a thousand people can hike those trails a day, but at least hundreds, and you can hike it many times and never have what I'm about to say happen. But I had interviewed at least twenty twenty twenty five people, and Tom Dongo so, and what I'm saying is people out hiking can get stopped by guys all in black with keV larvesk combat boots M sixteen's over their shoulder and told you've entered a restricted area and you have to turn around.

32:07 Okay. I've interviewed well over twenty I don't have an exact count, probably twenty five pride pre accurate for the amount of people I've interviewed. That have had this happen. A new research associated mine a friend of mine, a guy and his girlfriend who've been on my tour. His name is Jeremiah, her name is Alexandra, who live here. They've been on my tour a couple of times, and now they're involved because they were already involved in some of this research with Tom Dongo and another friend of mine named Jurgen, and Jurgen had put out a video that some people have made seen called who Do Tall?

32:46 And that's a nickname that he has, and so there was a little documentary that him friend kind of put together and then Tom Dongo, who's the you know, the og of research here on the underground base and on a brand show ranch. And so so this area is where people go out and like I said, they'll get if hiking because everyone goes comes to Stone number. That's the number one thing to do here is get out and do the scenic beauty. Yes, we have our galleries, we have film festivals, we have dirt bike festivals, we have music festivals, you know, the big things like that.

33:27 But and shopping and of course the new age stuff, the centers, the metaphysical stores and the crystals and all that. Yeah, it's still number one is to get out and get out on the trails and do hiking. That's the number one thing exactly. People come here for our scenic beauty. Okay, now again, you can be out hiking on these trails and not run into these guys. But if if they have one of the entrances or something going on, you can get stopped by them. And Tom Dongo's interw like forty people you know who've been stopped, and I've interviewed like thirty the owner of the center, or twenty five the owner of the centers interviewed like thirty.

34:07 Jeremiah was telling me he's met other people. So you know, so every anyone who's been in town for a while starts to hear these stories of people who've been stopped. And sometimes the guys are on foot that stopped them again, wearing all black kevlar vest, combat boots and sixteens over their shoulders once in a blue moon camouflage, military camouflage. Once so I have a few cases of that, and so does their pails. Okay, then no, no, no, higher and they're and they're told you're told stop, you've enter a restricted area.

34:46 And then sometimes these guys are driving small black jeeps and I've had people saying, Lunda, I was on a hiking trail that isn't big enough for jeep, and here a jeep came down, you know, And so it was a hiking trail not for a jeep. Was it a jeep trail, you know? Or an a TV trail? Sometimes depend on where you are, they can pull up in big black SUVs with tinted windows. Right. So there are a number of stories, and I've Jeremiah knew some new Jeremiah knew some other news stories I had not heard, and Tom Dongo.

35:21 So I'm hearing more and so at some point I'm going to be I don't know what we're gonna do with this information. We're gonna compile it. I don't know if it's going to result in in a book or documentary or a TV show or something. You know. I would love the counter I just did. Okay, so sorry, so uh frustrating that time. It threw me out even further. So I had to go all the way out to go and okay, so so so going back to what we're seeing. So it's there's so much to cover it's hard to go linear on this, Okay, So before I get into what we're seeing, I'll go back to so the the evidence is people getting stopped by these guys galore.

36:10 Okay, that is one major piece of evidence. Then the TV show Beyond skin Walker. Now everyone's familiar with the skin Walker TV show. It was popular and had a spin off, So the Skinwalker Rant show on History, and the spin off show is called yes but arguably arguably is better the guys the main Sure, I love that, Okay, No, I love I love them, and I haven't I have a relationship with them. Yeah, but I think what we're able to do in Beyond Skinwalker is travel to these places, like yes, that's right, you know, bypass all the all the seasons one for three, you know, trials of the main show and just go right into you know, probing and and drones and you know, that's right, that's right.

37:13 So yeah, that's why Brad so that the the Beyond Skinwalker show did two whole shows about Bradshaw Ranch. So to clear everybody in Bradshaw Ranches our Skinwalkers in Utah. Bradshaw Ranch is our versus Skinwalker Skinwalker Ranch in Utah is known for a lot of paranormal activity. Well so is Bradshaw Ranch, and Tom Dongo's written whole books about that, along with Linda Bradshaw, the last Bradshaw owner to live there. It was taken over from Linda Bradshaw and the Bradshaw family by the US government by the Forest Service, who currently owns it.

37:52 Now.

37:54 Part of it is leased out to the University of Northern Arizona for doing a growing barimot there and the TV show covered that a little bit on their show, and it was a cattle ranch. I don't know how. I'd have to ask Tom Igo how long ago it goes back, but I know at least to like the forties and fifties it was a cattle ranch. There are famous photos here in town, historic ones before our main highway, Highway one seventy nine and Highway eighty nine A were going through town are two major highways, and there's these scenes of Bob Bradshaw Senior doing a cattle drive but down a dirt road that you know was before the highway, and so there's these great pictures.

38:48 Bob Bradshaw was an expert photographer and known and used because a lot of the old Hollywood Westerns were filmed here and Bob Bradshaw was the photograph for four of them. So there's a lot of great photos of the old Hollywood Westerns being made here on the cast and everything taken very famous taken by Bob Bradshaw. There's if you go into restaurants and businesses in town, you'll see his pictures or CPA tone versions of his pictures on the wall. And if you look in the corner you'll see it says Robert Bradshaw or Bob Bradshaw.

39:22 Okay, so so he owned so the Bradshaw family, I should say, own this ranch. And then it became again. I'd have to ask Tom Dongo. I don't know what point they really noticed so much paranormal stuff made. It was always kind of there. But when Linda Bradshaw, the last family member live on the ranch, she was nosing an increased amount at paranormal activity and had Tom Dongo there to research and investigate and would call him up when stuff picked up and he'd go check it out or come spend the night.

39:54 That kind of thing, right, Well, the TV show, knowing that the Bradshaw ranch this rich history of being another version of Skinwalker. So of course when they did this show, it was, you know, a primary thing for them to investigate. But when they did the investigation, there was so much they realized they had to have two shows made out of it. And Jeremiah my team member now in this investigation. Now we're doing one of my team members and Alexandra, we're both on the show. So if you see the Beyond Skinwalker TV show, the two shows about Bradshaw Ranch, part one and part two, you'll see him on both.

40:36 Okay, Now, the TV show set out and the investigators with it, and one guy was a leading journalist, award winning journalist with a rich history, I'm sure you, and the other guy is XCIA, you know, and then the other team is well known. Skinwalker is well known, and so they're kind of like, Okay, so Bradshaw Ranch is known for having us kernel stuff. It's our version of Skinwalker. Long story shark. Now, going back to the TV show getting the evidence, so Beyond skin Walker, we were talking about that and they got a couple of pieces of significant evidence about the base being out there and very good and so one of those they had an outside company who does a form of ground penetrating radar, some ground penetrating technology.

41:31 I'm not exactly sure. They had them come, yeah, yeah, yes, exactly. So they had them come and they had them

41:42 do a scan that I think ended up being, you know, a couple hundred yards in length and with kind of thing, and they found because they had them scan over an area where it was rumored there was a tunnel for this underground base. Now just outside of Sedona, twenty minutes away is Cottonwood, the town of Cottonwood. Right next to Cottonwood is a little town called Clarkdale, and then above the hill above that is the town of Jerome, which is very famous for It has wineries and wine tasting and art galleries, and it's very historic and it used to be the silver and Copper mine, very famous going back to nineteen before.

42:37 Ok So, now you pass through Clarkdale on the road on eighty nine eight going up to Jerome and drones very popular for tourists, and it's also very known for being very haunted and has like five famous haunted locations and a lot of those ghost hunting TV shows, in fact, all of them pretty much have common investigated Jerome, and two or three of their locations more, you know, more than once. Okay, okay. So, so just above Clarkdale is a cement processing plan known you know, like digging up and processing limestone, cement, gypsum and other minerals and stuff, okay, and processing that It was long rumored that that was where one of the entrances to this base was.

43:38 And Tom Dongo, in all those years of research against way prior to my being involved, ended up interviewing guys who worked security there who said, there's a building in the back that trucks come in in the middle of the night, has a security gate in front. It's a big facility and has a security gate in front, and multiple bill things for processing and grinding and office buildings and everything else. Okay, trucks would come in at night in the middle of the night, big semi trucks that would go back to this building in the back.

44:15 And then the story was that some of these security guys said they'd go back there and there'd be no truck near or in the building. They So the security guys even were telling Tom Dongo over many years of his you know, thirty years or more forty years, was looking into that that that there must have been a false floor or something, whether it's like an elevator that goes down to lower the truck or dips like this and the truck can drive down either way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it might be the floor does that or you know whatever.

44:50 But the security guys claimed to not been you know, right in or briefed on that, you know whatever. That they just said trucks would go back there and just here and this was known and apparently happens regularly that these large semis go back there. So we're talking about semi semi trucks sixteen wheelers or biggert No, no, regular semi trucks like taking supplies and you know whatever. Down they go to the security gate. They have clearance to go in. You would need they would need supplies and stuff like that.

45:32 Yeah, this is a huge installation. The information coming out is starting to suggest it may sprawl like five miles underground. It's a huge installation. Yeah, this tunnel, I've I've done the pin drops on Google Earth from the building where I think this is, or at least, you know, even if you just put it in the middle of the facility. Going to Bradshaw Ranch is twelve miles miles of tunnel. So going back to the TV show, they did the scanning and they found this tunnel, and the owners of the scanning company, we're telling the team from the investigators.

46:11 You know, this is fifty foot wide and it goes straight through here and then the guide. Now, first I thought they took out a ruler, but no, he actually just had the line showing it's a perfectly straight line. Continued it straight in both directions and it goes straight to that cement processing client. I'm actually going to create a marker here. I'm actually going to overlay that clip right now for the viewers who are watching on YouTube in the future. I'm gonna okay, clip right now because and I can send you for when before you reput this up, I'll send you a freeze frame image.

46:54 Now. I tried just screenshot for the from the TV show I replayed it. I had other markers on my phone trying to save the screenshot. Long story short on that you can't screenshot from TV shows. I learned that in to hurry the things I would put on there came out, but the image behind it from the show was black and everyone I tried like twenty versions or marked. Okay, So what I did is I did my pin drops on Google Earth and I recreated exactly what they had, and then I rewatched the show to make sure I had it correct, and I do.

47:31 So I have that line recreated to make sure it really match what they had, and so I have a screenshot of that of the line, you know, going from Bradshaw to the plant and then blow up a where it is the plant. Now. A friend of mine in the area, him and I went on investigation a couple of days ago to see what we were seeing, and I put it was cloudy, and so it wasn't fruitful. It was way too cloudy. But we were going up on Minga's Mountain, which is the mountain where Jerome is, because we wanted to get on a ridge from there to get a better view.

48:12 And we're going to be doing that again coming up actually tomorrow. But I said, I want to drive to the entrance the Cement plan. I've seen it many times. I've even been partially down the road which goes to some houses and stuff down that road. But I decided I'd drive down to the gate and there's signs saying turn around now blah, blah blah. But I said, there's a security gate, so you know, we can go that far, you know. And then I knew from looking Google Earth that there was another driveway that split to the left that went to an office building.

48:48 And sure enough, so I said, I want to put in front of that office building and take a picture of it and any signage. But the other night, Now, now the guys on the show already had told Jeremiah, and they didn't include this in the show. So when we watch Beyond skin Walker, they didn't go go there. You know, they didn't go there with this, Okay, but they knew that someone had found out or told them that that facility even though it was called the Salt Rock Processing whatever, okay, or so they thought that it was actually owned by drum Roll or Lockheed.

49:36 Okay, guess what I got the receipts. I did the research, Okay, I knew

49:45 so much more. Okay, Okay, Yeah, so I have a picture and I will give that to you to put up. I took a picture of the sign because there was a rolling gated across that marking a lot for that back building. So when you go back there at night, you have to go straight. The only you know, you have to go straight to the security gate and they have to let you in so and which is manned all night, okay, And and trucks come in and out all the time, loading this stuff up, bringing it out as far as the the materials, you know.

50:20 Okay, So the company is actually called and there I pictured the picture of the sign, it's Martin Marietta Materials. Well, that should go ding ding ding to anyone with half a brank, because Martin Marietta is lockeed Martin. Good, that's what locked Martin is locked. Martin bought Martin Marriette. Lockheed bought Martin Marietta from Glen Martin. There's a whole huge history mart Yeah, that's Lockheed Martin. It's actually that's Martin Marietta. That's well known. Okay, that's not a mystery. But this is Martin Mietta Materials.

50:55 So I set out to do a bunch of research to determine who owns Martin Marrietta Materials. And there were kind of some dead ends. It was a little tricky until I came across an article that appeared in the Washington Post about Martina bury out of materials and about selling off stock and stuff like that. And Martin Meatair Materials is owned eighty one percent by Lockey Martin,

51:29 eighty one percent by locked Martin. And that's where the entrance, the tunnel entrance that they take semi trucks in to the bases. And and the TV show proved by having an outside company come in to say, one hundred percent certainty, there is a fifty foot wide tunnel going under Bradshaw that if you that you know, they scanned you know, only a couple hundred yards of it or whatever. Okay, they scan the big piece of it. But if you continue that perfect line in that fifty tunnel goes straight two the cement processing facility owned by eighty by Lockey Martin.

52:18 That is that is incredible, incredible wow wow yeah, yeah, owned by Locky Martin by eighty one percent. Perrent article all about its ownership that had appeared in the Washington Post and other sources too. But I figure, you know, the Washington Post has gotta vet everything right. They're not going to run something like that unless they did their homework right, you know, and and not to talk about it and drop it. No, No, I'm sure it was just they they had. They have a general audience. They can't get too into too much minutia.

53:01 There's still about entertainment, hello, you know, and so they're doing a paranormal investigation for entertainment. And I think they kind of I could tell, like even the Travis Taylor and the other head guy of the main show when they presented them, because on the show they show them going to the Skinwalker offices and presenting their stuff. To those guys, you could tell that they were like, oh my god, okay, because there's more. Okay, So there was the tunnel. Then that area is not known for having any restricted airspace.

53:34 Now I happened to uniquely know because I met a pilot who'd come on my tours years ago who had information and provided to me an old aerial map taken I'd have to find it again from like the sixties or seventies, because he'd been a pilot for a very long time, and he said, once upon a time that was restricted airspace, and he had a map showing that it was restricted airspace from like the you know sixties, okay, from like the sixties, and but he said, my new maps of it, because he's still a pilot said, don't choke that, okay, But the TV show kept sending up drones from different places out to that area.

54:16 And I didn't know this about drones. I learned this on the show that apparently if you enter restricted airspace, military space or near an airport, they shut down in the backround they their GPS location. Yeah, they you know that they're not allowed to do that. And it's weird how it knows, because like it it completely I have a drone and it completely override. It's not like it's not like it just simply like you hit a barrier and it's like boom, boom boom, and then it turns around. No, it takes controlled the drone sends it a signal to go return home, so it overrides it briefly.

55:09 That yeah, in itself. Well yeah, Will said, now kept sending in drones to that area to back behind those hills, and it would only go, you know, so many hundred yards or so, and then it would turn around and come back to them, and none of all their drones came back to them restricted airspace. And when I say those hills, I mean branch. A ranch is kind of in a little valley with hills behind it, and there's what's called Kasner Mountain. They kept saying secret Mountain. That's actually a little further back.

55:40 They kept saying, oh that secret moun Mountain on the show, it's actually Kasner. And then you have and then they pointed the camera and you have Bear Mountains. You have Barre Mountain, Castor Mountain, but behind Bear Mountain is secret. So it's all kind of the same mountain range. And then behind Kasner is is uh uh is this valley. And then to the left of Kasner you have a hill called Black Mountain. And between Black Mountain and Kasners this little valley where Bradshaw is and even where I normally do my tours, we're a perfect direct shot line of sight less than two miles from Bradshaw Range.

56:21 Wow, right, normally would do my tours, okay, And and and all we have to do is face this way and we're facing Castner it turned a little bit of this wing. We're facing Black Mountain. And then right between them in that little valley, and it's actually like two little valleys. One of them is lin Lincoln Canyon. The other one is called Heartwell Heartwell Canyon. Lincoln Canyon or where Bradshaw is. And and then behind all that is, behind all those hills is Sycamore Canyon and an area called Secret Canyon and an area no joke called Government Canyon.

56:55 Yes, we have Secret Canyon and Government Canyon. No joke. Probably somebody's humor a long time ago.

57:09 And all that was sacred Native American land. Okay, there's a whole bunch of that back there too, Yeah, no more and lore. There's a lot of evidence for that. Yeah, So and I could get into that.

57:28 This team and they are exploring there's picture boy, that's a whole okay, Okay, let me stay on the main topic because we can always talk about that in the future. But there are picture graphs and petroglyss which are Indian rock card denoting well just I'll say, and my research associations have taken pictures. They've already seen this and they're going to take me and show me. But they show no joke, you guys, no joke. This area is also known for bigfoot they're big footing counters. Besides UFO and e T stuff glory.

58:02 They have pictures from petroglyphs that show, first off, we know these things are extremely old because they show saber tooth cats, wooly mammos, and sloths, all of which have not been in the area in ten thousand years. So that means that rock art is moren't ten thousand year olds for those drawings to be as accurate as they are. And then there's pictures of hope gods that have really really like ancient Hope gods that are so these are also known as hope when most of the more current Indian stuff, if you will, in the areas Anasazi, I mean more currently hundreds of years old as a post to thousands, but the thousand year old stuff gets back to Hopey stuff.

58:44 So these are Hopey gods. And then there are because Hope elders and stuff. We'll look at this and say, there are the sky beings, the star beings, and the ant people all drawn. Sky beings came from the sky, star beings came from the stars, and the ant people came up from under the ground, and those are all in the thrones. And then and then there's also a big, hairy, tall, wide shouldered creature that you look at it you go to clearly that's big foot. And then drawings of big feet feet that are human like like Bigfoot, but not like the Indians.

59:21 They'd also draw their feet in their hands. They look like, yeah, they don't look like. That's very different, a different thing. And when you sell it says you have the wooly Mamas and the saber two castle slots there along with the Bigfoot, you go, okay, these they were drawing these as well, like they were drawing what they saw, you know. And and so these are in these petroglyphs and petrographs back in this area. Now it's not like we can go to them. They're very very hard to get to. And you'd have to know.

59:54 I've never known, even though I kind of went looking a little, but I didn't go deeper far. And but these guys have seen them and I and are going to show them to me. But but just amazing pictures that they've taken, just mind blowing. And maybe I can get one of them to send me a picture that I can give you to post here see if I can't. But anyway, so so so so we're going to do an excursion where we're going to go. We also have I won't go into a lot of detail because you know, those being broadcast and whatnot.

1:00:34 But there's a couple of places back in Sycamore Canyon and beyond that people have had very specific run ins with covert military guys and been stopped by the jeeves, the SUVs, people on foot, all the above, but specific ones where they saw these people coming up out of or to go down into the ground. But so we think we have specific locations for entrances to the basar and we're gonna check them out. Okay, And Attorney Daniel Sheen has said, depending on the evidence we find, he has a team, a very professional team to put together to investigate it.

1:01:26 But is asking us to scope it out first, Yes, and yeah, asking us to scope it out first. So so we're in the process of doing that, we're up against some bad weather coming to the area. We're gonna have rain, We're gonna start to have snow. It may be pushed back to the spring or later in winter, depending on you know, some years we don't get any snow. Some years last year we had like seven snowstorms, So that can happen. So I don't know what, you know, what is going to happen, but

1:02:05 to spring, because I'll be out there building my documentary and you will this this this will take more than one trip. And once I know where things are now, of course people get stopped by these guards. Not every time. People go back into these areas all the time every day, you know, and even these really rustic areas. Now we're doing a trip that takes four hours just to get out there, four hours back jeeps on very rugged jeep, very rough jeep, very very very rugged jeep, you know, road climbing and the jeep kind of stuff.

1:02:48 So but but we're gonna do it. And there's a team being put together and there we go. So that's where that's at to check out these possible entry locations. There's an intact Native American cliff dwelling that's intact that that's very obscure, takes for hours to get to, and we're gonna go check that out, and we're gonna you know, and other things. So but I'm tomorrow may may be doing a little bit, depending on what the weather's like, not going way back there, but doing some closer stuff around Bradshaw with some people.

1:03:24 Tomorrow. We'll see, I think. So I think we're doing it. They actually were trying to contact me, why I'm on with you. So I'm my phone's been making all sorts of noises. I have calls and texts and messengers going off, and these people are wondering, what's Melinda doing. You know, they didn't know I had this going on. So I got to get back to them because we might be doing something tomorrow. Okay. So but I did take the picture of the sign at the cement processing plant Martin Marry out of materials and it says uh Clarkdale Quarry and has the address on the side, and it proof that it's there, you know.

1:04:02 And and then I found the the Washington Post article that had the most definitive statements about about eighty one percent of martineted materials is owned by Lockie Martin. So so I have I have that, and I can give you some of that. And then

1:04:28 so going back to what we're seeing, because people said she never got into what they were seeing. So we're seeing stuff come in the sky go down like pop in, pop in, like you know, like you UFOs normally do. Pop in often amber lights sometimes too small, you know, definitely requiring the night vision to see. But then they start to come in behind the hills and before they get to the hills. They do we call a power up, which is they get big and bright, and we get that big amber field that I already talked about, which means ionization the air means something is bleeding such a huge electrical field.

1:05:04 It's ionized in the air. Then they go behind the hills, and then we've seen stuff come up from behind the hills, already powered up, go up into the sky and disappear. Often. Wow, these are in groups of twos and threes. Often not every time, not every time they're in twos and threes, but often they are. I mean a lot like okay, and we are seeing it every night at the same time. It takes about an hour from when it first starts to when it ends. For for a whole month of October, I would say it all happened within forty five minutes.

1:05:37 For all of October. It was starting at nine thirty and by ten fifteen would be done. The earliest I ever saw this activity was nine twenty and the latest was about ten twenty. Wow. And so it was between nine thirty ten fifteen pree consistently really like nine forty five to ten, really ramping up. Then it started to move up. Then then it started to move up half an hour earlier by the end of October, and then there were six days of nothing, nothing happening, and I was going to give up looking, but I had clients to asmire them because I was telling clients about and the said let's go, and we went a little bit closer than my usual spot, and on day seven it was the most activity I'd ever seen there at that time.

1:06:24 And then it happened every night again, and but it changed behind castor mountain. But yes, yes, yes, we we. I long story short, I don't have the equipment or the abiliting. And people ever came on my tour and saw me with my clients, they they're very time consumed. I can't be worrying about filming when I'm with them. It's just it's not like, oh now I can film, I'm talking about it. It's these are tourists, they're families. They take time and energy. They people are lost question. It takes a lot of discussion because they have questions.

1:07:03 They go, oh, ufo, we see so many and they go what about this? This da da da D I mean? And and some of them are highly knowledgeable and people who work with satellites and pilots, and you know, so I have all these people that you know, we're having deep discussions. Okay, okay, but so yeah, so it just it's so consuming. But having it said that, I have had Jay, who's a member of the team, come and film it twice. He works, and he's has all these other active people have lives. You know. I wish they could come every night.

1:07:38 They have other things going on, you know. So he came twice and filmed it. My friend Karen, Karen Hill with MUF on Tucson, she came, Jay, you're gent tal. Karen filmed with me once, Urgan twice. And then Ron James of MOUF on television, who app was also living in Sadoni. He came once James. Okay, now, now Ron James only caught one little thing, but he was filming the same night as Jay. But Jan another night got even better stuff. So the best stuff was the second time that Jay came with me and the time that Karen came.

1:08:16 And and so I welcome anyone listening. If you're here, you want to come to doone, you want to film this, if you want to film, I will take you with me. For free. But you got it activities now I tell people. People are like, oh, I want Tom up from now, and I'm like, no, you don't get it. It's happening now, and there were six days when it stopped. What if it suddenly stops again. So I'm saying, you want to do this, do this now, now now. So we're seeing things come up from behind the hills. Lights okay, power up, go up in the sky, disappeared, pop in the sky, come down, go behind the hills.

1:08:51 It tends to start high up each night. You know, these are the patterns it tends. First. Okay, I'll give you the pattern. First, the military comes in, they start swarming, and we're talking over these hills. There's I always tell my clients or friends or even the other researchers, and we've gone out to the hills closer. So we've gotten to get out under the hills under these things, which is what I'm doing again tomorrow night right the weather permitting. And and but we're still not right under it.

1:09:22 So it's even though we're saying it's coming up from behind these hills, it's still maybe a couple of miles further back. But we understand that this base may go up, you may go back to about five miles, so you're going, Okay, it's still the base. Why would you guys in these hills I need anyone to understand. If you look on Google Earth, you'll see it's rugged, rough, mountainous terrain. There's nothing there. There's nothing. There's a few ranches in the beginning of first off, what I call this side of the hills where Bradshaw is and the area, you know, and as you drive out to Bradshaw you pass some of these other properties.

1:10:03 So there's a few ranches and homes, and there's some open land camping in the area. But then once you get beyond the hills, there's Sycamore Canyon. In the very beginning of Sycamore Canyon, there are some ranches. But once you get beyond those and you go back further and you're talking Government Canyon, Sycamore Canyon, and further back for miles, there is nothing but rough, rugged, mountainous, deep cavern you know, terrain, thick pine forests, rolling red rocks. I mean, it's beautiful scenery, but rugged and and and my my friend who has Jeremiah actually was on the show, who has been back there a couple of times, says, when you can be blown away when you see it, it's like it's like Sidona, h all the houses and the people go without all that.

1:10:51 It's like Sadona before it was touched by man, you know, right, Yeah, so I believe, yeah, he said. But that's where people have been stopped by these guys, you know, And I think they're like going to stop you if whatever, you're too close to something they don't want you to see, or they have something going on or an entrance going on. But there's yes, if you get stopped, take your phone and just put it in your pocket. I can take I canna take selfies with the guys. You kidd me, Yeah right, yeah, yeah, no, no, you know.

1:11:34 But but this is the other thing I'm telling everyone before we go out there. First off, don't take any equipment you're not willing to have confiscated. Yeah, they might take it, a b they might take out, you know, the memory chips. So I'm gonna tell youyone, whatever you're taking out there, whatever you've got on your phone, whatever it is you're taking, you download everything onto your computer at home before you go, you know, I mean, I don't think we'll get stopped. I think there's a safety in numbers kind of thing.

1:12:04 People go out there all the time and don't get stopped. My friends have gone out there, they haven't been stopped. But I but we do know what happens to people. Like I said, there's three newer stories that were really you know, quite serious of what happened. And so yeah, so so far, so far, you've been describing very very hot, you know, and you've done over a thousand of these tours. You're saying that there is unprecedented activity that you have never seen on a scale that you couldn't even imagine.

1:12:42 There's these people that are over those hills. Yep, there's where the base is. And the only reason because I had I had a I had a guy. Okay, I just had a couple on my tour who I just had them. This was was my last tour, Okay, a couple of days ago before the weather got bad. This was this young guy. Didn't asked his age. I'd put him early thirties. And his fiance they were not fiance. They just got married. He said. It was their honeymoon. So they're here in Sodona on their honeymoon. I think they got married here and then they were you know, extended it and their honeymoon was here.

1:13:20 They said, it's our honeymoon. Okay. And this guy, without going too much detail, but he works for the D D and D eight and he went out being a little bit healthy skepticism might take a lot of those people. And he said, I'll just be happy if I see something. But he told me this very cool stool story of having had met Auvy Lobe at a conference event and having dinner with Avi Lowe, and that was a very cool story. Okay. So so he's so he's starting to ask the right questions. We see this activity pick up, and he says, Blonda, this as a giant military operation.

1:14:01 I'm witnessing exactly. There's like twenty planes and helicopters, mostly have military helicopters over hills and over an area where there should be nothing. There's nothing there, and there's swarming military and helicopters, and then there's all these objects coming in and the sky starting to rain in and groups of twos and threes coming in coming behind the hills, coming up after a while, like first they appear up in the sky after a while, and this is the pattern we've started to see. And then they started to come up from behind the hills.

1:14:34 And occasionally I started to say this early, and I think they cut me off. Occasionally military is escorting them, like they'll come in in the sky and they'll start to come down and you'll see military in the area kind of fly over near them. I kind of fly with them till they come down, and then once come behind the hill, you'll see military helicopters kind of coming up too, and the military helicopters go up with them ways until the objects keep going up out disappearing or or powering up and winking out.

1:15:03 So they'll either power up and wink out disappear, or they'll power up and then slowly dim as they're going away. But we have seen military occasionally clear and he said, without like saying anything to them, he said, this is a big military operation. We're seeing things disappear, So don't know what the heck I'm seeing, but it ain't anything normal and giant amber fields And I said, I explained the plasma and he said that sounds accurate, Like you're knowledgeable from people coming in your tour who are knowledgeable to tell you.

1:15:35 And then he said, and he said, this is a huge military operation. And he said they're clearly occasionally not all of them, but occasionally kind of escorting them in or a scoring them up. He said, they're kind of flying along with them. And there's and there's often groups of twos and threes, and and the thing is and and if I give you a little clip to insert here of what we're seeing, so this might mark the diming, that might be a good place to desert it. It's like two minutes long. But if you can edit this to do that, I can.

1:16:09 But here's here's the thing. Everybody know that that's just a tiny little three minute segment from one night. Imagine the amount of activity I'm showing you go on consistently for like an hour and every night for sixty five nights in a row, of which we witnessed about four. I witnessed forty five out of those sixty five nights, So I'm assuming it's probably happening the other nights. I can't see. I didn't wasn't there to see it, or it was too cloudy. Maybe they did cancel because it was too cloudy.

1:16:41 But but definitely I have witnessed it at least forty five out of sixty five, maybe even sixty five. To ask you something, Yes, you think that it is possible, David,

1:17:00 about a treaty that has been signed between a potential non human intelligence and human mankind at some point at some time remains to be seen. Whatever could we be seeing the early result of some sort of partnership or ramp up in partnership because disclosure is on taxicus. Well, good, good question. And my clients every night, my client's friends and other researches, whoever's gone out with me on those forty five nights, will ask me, Melinda, what is it I'm seeing here? Okay? What do you think is going on?

1:17:42 And I this is what I say, because I said, you know you're seeing the same thing I am, you know as much as I do. But I but I tell them. This space is known for having and you were very astute to go right there. This base is known for having an ET and humans working together presence there. Yes, Okay, in my mill have have experiences, and other people with those experiences here in Sodona and other people in the surrounding area have been taken to this facility as part of their abductions. And I don't say that lightly.

1:18:17 I gotta list. I gotta list about twenty people that I know of, maybe even more if I really thought about it, who've been taken there, including me. I've had two experiences are being taken there where I have witnesses and people who are taken with me. Okay. And then I've had other cases. So these are alien abdictees who get targeted because of their alien abduction and have been taken to this underground facility other I mean other facilities too. I'm just saying here in Sodona, I have at least twenty cases of people that have been there.

1:18:49 Okay. Now, so given that information and other information that Tom Dongo has been researching, et cetera, that this is ET humans combined. Okay. Now, so here's what I tell my clients. Here's your three options. One is what you were just saying, some kind of treaty activity. This is ET's in us working together, flown and built by ETS, and we have some interactive relationship with them. We're seeing fifty things a night for forty five nights, you know, sixty five. But you know, I don't know if it happened the days I didn't see it, but for forty five nights, so that would be a lot of ET's coming and going.

1:19:31 Okay. Choice number two that I tell my clients is it's ET craft, but in our possession some treaties something we're flying them. This is some big giant training exercise. There's a huge military presence, even though it's a base that has an entrance where the entrance is owned by Lockey. Martin suggest that you know, what are they doing? Why would there be this? But we're seeing military jets and military helicopters over the area. So it's not a quinc you got. I'm swarming. I'm swarming over those hills while this activity is going on, escorting it down, escorting it up.

1:20:14 I mean, this is a huge story. I've reached out to major investigators, come look, do a story. This is huge. This proves every single one of those major forty witnesses and grushed. It's not only proves them correct, it's that on steroids. Because Troy's number three is this is all reverse engineered technology and we have fifty things a night flying in and out of the base at Sedona that can create huge, giant amber power fields and disappear wow, or appear in space and come down and go behind the base, which means we have reverse engineered anti gravity technology.

1:21:02 Fifty things flying a night for forty five nights.

1:21:08 So no matter what scope you look at this, it's the biggest story. Not only thank you, thank you, but it is the biggest story of mankind because this could go a long way in that solution. I mean, and no Wonder, Oh, sorry to cut you off. I apologize, It's okay, no Wonder. I do apologize. I have to be patient. I'm just being over excited. Friends of mine will tell you this is normal behavior for Melinda, and unfortunately it's rude and I have to not do it. But I apologize. But no, you were right. I mean everything you were saying, Not only does it prove that those witnesses and the reverse engineering and when Gresh is we have locations.

1:21:56 I can tell you where one of those is. Yeah, yeah, and that lockeed Owns where the entrance is one of the entrances, but might be a major entrance because it's a tunnel where they take in trucks. Holy shit, it just dawned on me. What if could this be because there's another possibility here. The Shumer rights starting to right, Well not for me, so okay, okay, so hopefully hopefully it's good. Okay, Yeah, so David Brush right, he kind of awoted that he rang the bell, if you will. And now these companies like lockeed are gonna try to play that shell game.

1:22:48 Right, That's exactly what I've been saying. I was gonna go there, and you just went there. What if it's because what if it's because of Schumer rounds and they know this is coming and the the the UAP you know DA the UAP Disclosure Amendment. Okay, well that is the human rounds. Okay, what if they're moving stuff around and they're moving stuff because another friend of mine came out who has a military background. He's not currently but was a long time ago. And just like the other guy who worked for the d d D I A just like him, just like that young kid.

1:23:27 This this other guy said, this is a military operation. They're escorting them, they're securing airspace for a huge giant operation to obviously move something in and out of here. What if and that's just a big what if because this is either a giant training exercise or it's moving day. Yeah, and then and then he postulated, and I have no idea because all he knows what we're seeing. He wondered, could they be moving it off planet? Could they be you know, based on the moon or something. Could they be moving into another country or what?

1:24:01 You know? Who knows. But we've been seeing it for sixty five days and I personally witnessed it forty five nights. I am, I want to fly. I told you I had something big to drop. I told you I want to fly to Sonona like tomorrow and just bring everything with me. Now I tell people, if you come here, you have to go look at this. Well. First, I think I use the night vision and I'll take you for free if I don't have other clients. But if I have other clients, I'd have to charge you because those goggles are for my clients.

1:24:35 Of course, I only have ten pairs of iron night vision. Then go with me for free. If I don't have a lot of clients, I don't want the money to be a thing. If your research or investigator someone very serious about this and you have to see it, but you've got to come for like a week and go out every night, because one night it may not happen. One night it's likely to be cloudy or snowing or raining. So you you know, I would say come for like a week, you know, all the clear nights will go. Look, if I don't have a lot of other clients, I don't want it to be Oh, she's just doing this for you know, any of that nonsense, because I want researchers to witness this and see what I'm seeing.

1:25:14 You already got all the implications. Thank you, ty, thank you, you grasp the implications. Because whether it's ET's coming going or craft in our possession or reverse engineered, it's reverse engineered ET technology because this stuff disappears and creates giant plasma fields that plasma physicists going on my tours say they can't even begin to imagine the amount of power generated that you would see amber light at a distance and things powering up like that, and these things coming in groups of twos and threes going behind the hills, and aircraft coming up to meet them, going with them.

1:25:52 You know, as they're coming up behind the hill, there's craft aircraft with them. Sometimes, right, I'm going to give you who shows some of that and when I show you, it'll be a tiny little segment that's three minutes long, and people have to wrap around their head that that is happening for an hour every night. And get this, it started to move back about every ten fifteen days. I can't get I didn't watch exactly it moved back by half an hour. Where now it's starting at like seven o'clock at night, like seven to eight, or I think it pushed back again to like seven thirty.

1:26:30 But the friend of mine with a military background, had read a article about when you have to launch stuff in orbit and that NASA and Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and everybody they've learned that occasionally they have to adjust things for the timing. And he said the article said like every ten or fifteen days they have to adjust. And I'm like, oh my god. And he's I said that it was perfect sense. We're seeing them adjust for an orbit, that they're adjusting to get him in orbit, or eating things coming in in orbit, that they're having to have a certain timeframe for these things to come in in orbit.

1:27:04 Now, we have signs all the time on my tours, but not this high concentration right over those Hills with a huge military presence. Like I said, this dea guy my friend with a military background. I didn't even I just showed them and they immediately said, oh my god, this is a military operation. It's a big military operation at a base that has an entrance on land and a facility owned by Lockheed Martin. Yeah. I mean that that's all the evidence for me. That all points to one thing, and to one thing, well to one thing, and it involves the UFO phenomenon and then from there divulger.

1:27:48 But there is something big. If if everything you're saying, which your reputation precedes you, I absolutely absolutely believe you. If what you're saying is happening, it's an unprecedented block

1:28:09 that we that the one that we've been waiting for. And it seems that no. So what I'm asking is to be are your pores Like is that a big thing? Like? Do they know that you're watching? Good question? I No one is, Thank god, I've not had any warnings or threats or anything, you know, so I think you know. And this is look, anyone can see this. We're we're in Sedona in the town when we're seeing some of this. If weren't my regular spot, and so a bunch of Knights when I've had clients we were there. We went out to a trailhead in another area in town that's still in the city, you know, to see some of it.

1:28:53 Now I'm going down on Black Mountain, which is closer to Cottonwood, to see some of it. And tomorrow we're either going to go up higher on that same hill, or we're going to go where you go through Jerome and you go out on part of Mingos, but you're going way out. There's a little town in the middle of nowhere called Perkinsville, and there's like a ridge with a stir road going out on it. And we went out there the other night and it was too cloudy, and we realized that's going to be a nice high point to see because we're trying to get a beat now, because it was for the whole month of October starting January twenty twenty.

1:29:33 I mean, I'm sorry September twenty seventh when I first started seeing this started September twenty seventh, coming up behind Kasner, which is right next to right behind Branshaw. I mean, oh, and get this, I looked out a major thing one of the nights that I had clients that had slightly closer parking lot. So we're only a mile from Casner right there, right where we were a mile from Casner, about a half mile further in the it's right where you go down is going down to Bradshaw. Jeremiah, the fellow researcher, I didn't know this.

1:30:10 Tom Dongo had already told him all about this before I did, and said, you got to go see this. Tom was sick at the time. Didn't go see Jeremiah and Alexander go down to Bradshaw Ranch. They're there at the same time. I have my clients maybe two miles away from them, a mile and a half maybe two miles the tops from right where they're we're standing. We saw these giant amber lights coming up like crazy behind Kasner, going up, some going to the right, some going to the left. Jeremiah said, those going straight up.

1:30:42 Look because they were there at Bradshaw witnessing the same thing from a different angle. I didn't know that. And they said some of them were the ones going to the right. For us, we're kind of heading away from them. There were ones going up, but any ones that we saw going to the left, were going right over them, and they said, Linda, they were giant amber lights, except one of them was so low, so close. It came over him. Giant black triangle. Oh yeah, they said. As it approached, it was a big black triangle and it hovered right over them.

1:31:14 Now when I when I the day, they told me that I had ran into him in town. A couple days later, I had to call them. It was like five six days or whatever. I called them to talk to him about something. Alexandra opened answers the phone, and I said, she goes, Jeremi's right here. I'll hand them the phone. I go, before you do, tell me your account of seeing the triangle. She said, Melinda, they were giant amber lights. One of them came closest enough to us, and it all of a sudden, it was a big black triangle coming over us.

1:31:44 It stopped, were bradshots hovering right over us. And then she said, it shot straight up and disappeared. Oh shit, oh shit, shot straight up and disappeared, and and and so we want to get out. That's one of the reasons we're checking out these other locations is my goal is to get out there closer closer, closer, to try to be under these to see if we see this structure of these craft, right, and whether their triangles or discs. I mean one of them was a triangle that they witnessed. Now we were a mile and a half away.

1:32:19 We just saw a giant amber light so bright it was like lighting up the hill. Right, that's what we saw. So we didn't we weren't close enough to see it as a triangle. But they saw the same thing from let's say two miles away, but they were right under it, and they said it was a giant triangle hovering right on top of them. So did they say that the amber light was coming off of it or did it? Yeah, yeah, it glowed with the amber light. It was an amber light on approach. We whenever we get structure craft on my tour, and we've seen full structure sixty three times over thirteen years.

1:32:56 Over all those tours thirteen years, we've seen full streng exture sixty three times, and it's usually we've seen sixty three fully structure graft. Only two of them were like silhouetted, like you know, if you're out at night, you put your hand up. It's silhouetted against the lid stone right, Okay, okay, So only two of them were silhouetted. The other sixty one. Either the whole thing glowed amber so orange red you know, orange are red, or it glowed blue or green or multiples of those colors. One disc had amber, so, one disc had gold red and green on it.

1:33:38 One big triangle glowed blue and red. We've had a triangle over us, so the whole thing glowed periwinkled blue like blue with a tint of purple, you know. And so often on approach structure craft on approach will either be a big orange, red, blue, or green light coming towards you. You if it turns you have what I call big light siding. You just have a big light like they like these when they power rap. That's a big light. Sighting. Big light means you can't see the structure. You're not seeing shape.

1:34:11 But if that big light keeps coming over you, and that's We've had cylinders, triangles, discs, ovals, tear drop shape, diamond shape. We've seen a variety. I'm not I'm not joking you guys, we've seen all those shapes. What do you recommend from people if they if they are in getting to that point where the craft is coming towards you, do you think that there's anything to fear, or like me, well no, maybe, okay, okay, if it's high enough, well okay, well you don't know. So you're asking us there anything to fear.

1:34:54 My clients sometimes we've had structure graphic. God, I'm afraid, and I'll go why and they'll go okay, yeah, you know, or they'll see it and they'll go should I be afraid? And I'll go why and they'll go okay, yeah, because then they realize we're just it's like seeing a car. It's like standing by the freeway and seeing a cargo by, or you know, or if someone pulls into a parking lot we were staying, it's like seeing the car pull in ofver and leave. You know, it's like okay, but but so if it's high enough up, but if it's extremely low over you, there is a ton of information to suggest that there's possibilities of radiation and other stuff.

1:35:30 There's a story after story of people having radiation burns. There's even some news stories. You know, so you go, okay, if it's really close to you that people say I w went to land, and I'm like, no, you don't. First off, of one lands, you don't get anywhere near it because you can have a radiation thing if you're not protected. Secondly, if one lands, it usually means you're being abducted. Yeah, yeah, you know. So I tell my clients and I say, you don't want that to happen because I have to charge you.

1:36:00 You know, I said, one lands it's five grand. If you get abducted, it's ten grand. Yeah, of course, kidding, of course, I'm kidding. But because they'll go, they'll go, what happens with one lands? I said, we'll have to charge you more? And they go, why because it means you bring abducted. You know. But I always get my clients when they say, can it happen on your tour? I said, out of all those tours, I said, no one's been abducted yet, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But well I dispell any fear. If we're having a big structure craft line, we've had big triangles over right over us, you know, which is why so I don't doubt Jeremy for a second.

1:36:41 I've seen that I've had big triangles over me, over me, on my tours nine times. But I want to get out under this stuff because I want to see and with the military and the helicopters hovering and everything, you know, and film these things. With the helicopters, we're albably filming them in a y. I want to get up under them and fill them. I mean this, like you said, this, this is like like those two client you know friends, I should say, well, one's a client, one's friend coming on the door. They were like, this is a huge military operation.

1:37:16 It's absolute you know, evidence, if not proof of all those forty witnesses and Grush being absolutely accurate. It says that this is a much bigger, deeper rabbit hole than anyone ever thought. Because if we're seeing fifty et craft coming and going from that base every night, you know fifty, you know, because we're seeing, we're seeing upwards, you know, on a slow night, it's been like twenty things. The oh, there's been a few nights where we had like eight, ten out of the forty five nights, and then there were times we had ten.

1:37:51 And then there were nights we're having over fifty and the DA guys witnessing over fifty. My friend, you know, who the military ground ground is like, this is over fifty things and at one time we keep counting. We count from the town of Jerome, which is all lit up on the hill, to Bare Mountain and that you know how in our expans a vision, how many military we're seeing in the air and in that small expanse and sometimes right over Black Mountain, right over Casner twenty military swarming the air as these craft are coming in and out and going and coming in groups and twos and threes.

1:38:28 Wow. Wow, And it's like, okay, this, like I said, it's it's either somebody's panicking because of shoom rounds and having to cough up this stuff. And like you said, like the shell game, you know, where's the pee? You know? Are they moving stuff? I don't know. Is this a giant training exercise? I don't know. We've seen it come up in one place behind Kasner that's back in Secret Mountain. Now we're seeing it behind Black Mountain. We're seeing it maybe five miles further away in another location.

1:38:58 Are there two places where they can bring craft in and out of the space. I don't know. That's one of the things we're trying to figure out. This is Obviously they're now doing the operation in a different location. Right, that's at least five miles away from what we first saw. The way I see it is we need further investigation by treating people. We need them right now, We need them there, yeah, you know, and in bringing equipment taking Well, this is a prime if. And I'm not sure if you put the call out yet, but this is to anybody large, par do I agreed to do this with you today.

1:39:44 First, after you've been asked me and you know, phone tag whatever. Okay. Secondly, I'm in the middle of this and I'm like, okay, I can talk about this before anybody tells me, even team members tell me not do Okay, Now I have a feeling right now everyone will be supportive. But if they at some point say you're even my friend Danny, she and I go, you know, that happens. But that hasn't happened yet. So I'm like, I can talk about it. I can say all this and put this out there and let people know. Secondly, I can use when I apologize because you're going to do a considerable amount of editing, and I apologize for that.

1:40:16 Once this is edited, I can then lead some of these other researchers and people I've been telling you about this to this, and I don't need to go into a two hour conversation like I did with Danny the other night on the phone. I can say, watch this, here's the story. Now. I did talk about it a little bit on s so R, but not all this new stuff, not about the evidence for Lockheed and the cement plant. And you know I had so much more. So I'm like, Okay, let's give the whole story. I'll give the additional evidence and and then I can tell anyone who's serious or interested.

1:40:54 Because I've tried. I've reached out to Ross Colethard. He's not calling me back. I I know him, and I have a friend that talks to him all the time. That friend of mine keeps telling him Ross Ross. He has told this friend of mine. They talk often. I'm going to Color. I'm going to call her. Has been like two weeks. He hasn't happened. I have not yet, But I'm going to reach out to George. Now I can reach out to others. There's there's I don't know if I should share it, but there's a person who's a radio personality coming to this town next week.

1:41:24 I hope to show them. I don't have the permission to talk about it, so I won't, but but I expect that I'll be taking them out. Jimmy, I don't know Jimmy. I would say, I know Jimmy quite well. I'd be I to George's coming, but no, no, but but someone equally known, very equal to church. But but until I know I can say it, I'm not going to say all right, that's fine, that's fine. But what I want to get out of you right now is one a couple of days before the show as many times as possible to get with you, because you have amazing connections and you're just a wealth of information, and you know it just comes from being in the field for thirty five years.

1:42:14 Yeah, but you've been doing this a hell a long time. I joke with Tom Dondo, who's been it forever. You know, we joke like, oh my god, and even even Danny it's like we you know, our conversations are like, this is too long. We need to disclosure to all of us. Get a break in your in your your tooms, and maybe even if you want to go beyond that degree interviews et cetera. How many military people or do O D people do you think that you brought out there? Now maybe you change, like because what you're doing they influence what they do when they go back.

1:42:56 Oh yeah, yeah, no a few, yeah, yeah, not not that many. I mean I'm mostly taken out tourists, you know, families, young couples, elderly whatever, families, you know. People. These are just people who are tourists coming to Sedona and for you know, and some of them are very new age, and some of them are very skeptical. And some of them have had excuse me, sightings, some of them haven't, you know, And so you know, everybody starts opening up. Every pilot I've taken who's had sightings opens up and start sharing their sightings.

1:43:31 I've taken out hundreds of pilots. I've only had at one point, I well, you know, it holds about four people who were pilots who said they'd never seen anything prior to my tour. Now they said they, you know, but prior to my tour, not had a sight. But but I've taken out hundreds and the others all go blah blah blah blah blah and share all their sightings.

1:43:54 I'm sorry, was the rest of your question? I lost my trade in thought. I apologize, Are there? Yeah, I just I'm sorry. I spilled a little bit of Okay, I just I didn't know if I answer your question. One other thing, I'll go back to whatever your question was. But one other thing I want to emphasize that I have written here and I kind of circled a couple of times, is what we're witnessing out here. All this stuff that I've been sharing today ends up being really gives you understanding why the pushback from these corporations, because if we're seeing fifty reverse engineered things coming in out of space, they don't want to have to admit that or caught that up, or just their knowledge of the extent of et craft and our possession obviously functioning.

1:44:46 And we're seeing a highly functioning UAPs, and I don't know who build them or who's flying them. I just know I'm witnessing a giant operation for sixty five days and operations and we know that that that now, I don't know that that tunnel is absolutely okay. The TV show said tunnel's absolutely there, but they only got the part that they scan. So they're drawing a line to show where does this line go both directions. It goes under Kasner and back to Secret Mountain and Secret Canyon, Secret Canyon, Government Canyon Caser.

1:45:31 It goes under there. Right over the middle of it is Bradshaw Ranch, and then it goes right if you drop, you know, they do that straight line perfectly straight. I've redrawn it on on Google Earth and I dropped the pin drops and that's how I know. It's twelve miles and it goes straight under the cement processing plant that just happens to be owned by Lockey Martin. Yeah. Those yeah, so you know, So I don't know, you know. And I talked to Danny about this yere night. I said, look, all I know is what I'm seeing, and I know that that cement plant is owned by them.

1:46:15 The rest is extrapolation. But even he was like, no, that's pretty clear, you know, like you know, it's pretty clear. It is what it is. You know, it is what it is. And the TV show not only did that, they I forgot this other part. Not only did they have all the drones come back, they did this thing with this laser array and sending out radio signals and stuff. It all got bounced back to them. If you watch the show, their voices repeat over and over and demonstrating that they were being eavesdropped on and everything they were saying was being set back to them.

1:46:51 Yeah, and so they could hear themselves. Now, for anyone who doesn't understand audio engineering, now that possible and

1:47:02 one way for one of two ways, and that is if you're broadcasting your own sign This is so funny. I've said earlier my team was trying to contact me and and and that that was. That was Jeremiah and Alexandra. Now this other part of the team, which is Nate and Kelly, are trying to contact me and let them know that I'm I'm doing this. That's funny, you know. But why don't you get this edited and that I'll send them to watch. Yeah, please please please. And so although they might go, Okay, you did that, don't do it again, I'm just kidding, you know.

1:47:40 And you just asked me your timing was good. Why why am I doing disclosingness with you? Well, you asked me your time was good. I was thinking, you know, I was going to reach out to Matt Ford. I mean, I was thinking who I've been on with before, you know, and Vinnie and you know every everybody you know, uh and and James and Doolian stuff and and you just said I want to have you on right now. And I'm like, Okay, good timing because it still serves the purpose that I now I have it recorded where I can send people to watch.

1:48:10 Yeah, And I'm super excited about that because I think this is this this story needs to get out there because it's now or never for investigators and researchers who really want to like put their money where their mouth is. Get out to Sedona, get this documented, and get it to the public in an open source way. Yeah. And there's other people like these YouTubers like Jesse Michael's of American Alchemy and all these other people, like get them out there. I'm gonna send a call out. I'm gonna do my best to try to do see what I can do.

1:48:45 But if they've got my mission, bring them, because then you're not using up mine when I you know, and keeping me from bail and take clients switch you know, that's my business. But at the same time, if if it's a slower night and I'm not eating all the goggles. I'll let someone look if they're a serious researcher, because I want this scene. I want this documented. I'm going to reach out to to some more of these big players, as I said, because I think it requires a real serious investigation. Danny's very seriously and interested and and and he's saying everything else I get.

1:49:27 So I'm going to constantly inform Daniel Sheen because you know, I was even telling Danny, I said, you need to get some of those senators and congressmen involved and to see this kind of thing, because because what I'm witnessing is take is put it's takes it on such a bigger level. You know. Well, I've had Congressman on the show, and I will absolutely send this episode. Yeah, maybe you could, maybe you could facilitate, you know, uh, trying to get on here to talk about not only not only what's going on, but what's going on with the who he doesn't know.

1:50:11 I mean, he just has hurt my account, so he's not involved in these hearing my accounts. But I'll say that hide me under, you know. Yeah, and it wants me to keep him informed of all additional evidence and everything we get because because he says he can send out a like a very professional investigative team out here. Yeah, maybe you can maybe so put in a good but I'm trying to reach out to to the producers from skin Walker who already did you know the segment, and if you know how to get in touch with them.

1:50:53 I want to do that because I want them to know it additional evidence. They just they already did two shows. Not that they're going to be inequery to do a third one, but they might, you know, given a good storyline, and you know, I'm so maybe maybe they maybe they will, but I want to at least notify them and you know, and whatever, any you know, I anyone who wants to look into this is welcome to come and do it. I think the implications are well, thank you Ty, you know, Ty, first off, thank you for having me on.

1:51:28 Secondly, it was so rewarding for me that you got it, like you were things conclusions I was going to make. You were jumping there on your own, like the implications they're just staggering, and you were instantly getting it, you know. Yeah, And that was warring for me because like, oh my god, thank god, somebody who gets it, you know, yeah, I mean, it's it's it's it's it's pretty I mean, I think any human that is in our sphere would once you start going down that and you start naming, you know, name and and and dominoes start falling, it's pretty like over And what they're doing is they're hiding in because way that you have to be out on those hills are very close to it to see it.

1:52:17 There's one guy who lives I've met a guy in town who's the server in a restaurant and and he he long story short, he lives in one of the ranch is out there. And I said, what have you seen? And he says, oh, you mean the giant amber lights. He goes, yeah, we see those. Now I'm gonna i I know where he works, I'm gonna go back there. And because I didn't get his contact information, I want to do that. I want to say, have you seen anything low enough to see the structure besides the amber lights? You know, just you know, like those guys having the amber light, Well, Bradshaw coming over them, this what we're seeing from Casner.

1:52:56 They were seeing the same thing, but it was coming over him and it ended up being a big triangle right on top of him. That is absolutely amazing. And I'm now, does that mean all these things are triangles? I don't know, you know, I mean probably not. There's probably a variety of stuff, but yeah, you know, some of it could be diss you know, I'm not saying. There's one other thing I'll share. One day, I had this group of ladies on occasion I do hiking tours and vortex tours, and they're with me on kind of a hiking vortex tour and I was taken to two of the Vortex locations and we hit the first one.

1:53:36 No big deal for anyone who knows the area. We were Rachel's Nole, which is which is in a gated housing community, is part of the Boydon Canyon. Again, if someone knows the area, the Boydon Canyon, Vortex and Long Canyon, which is next to Boyton Canyon, and Rachel's Nol is a hill on the in the entrance to Boyton Canyon in this gated community. Anyways, so we're there and we hear military jets coming very loud over near us. There is Wilson Mountain, which is granite, and they're coming over Wilson Mountain.

1:54:11 Finally, they dip down over Wilson Mountain and we're seeing but at first we think there's like four military jets. And I've started to have to do a bunch of research and what different different jets look like. And they kind of were shiny, So I'm thinking FIC sixteens, not f Eighteen's okay, but I'm not perfectly sure on that's one or the other. Very needle nose sticking out the front, and they're coming over the hill. But then even my clients go, what's that other thing? So there's three jets, but there's something else with them, and it had well basically it was an oval.

1:54:49 It was a disc, oval shaped disc, and it had no tail, no wings. It dipped down and where we are up on that hill, we're facing Long Canyon, and there's this granite peak right across from us, and one at a kind of an angle, and the one at an angle right behind that would be where part of Boyton Canyon still is and Sycamore Canyon beyond that, beyond the hills. So these dip down right in front of us this other object. No sound the jets, you can feel the thrust. They're extremely extremely loud, they're very close to us, right within it, you know, a couple hundred yards, probably less than quarter mile anyways, you know.

1:55:31 And then I mean they came down almost dipping down into the canyon, definitely definitely following the contour. And then they flew up over the other granite mountain and kept going. And they were like, why would they be following my clients, women who had no interest. They weren't a UFO thing at all. In fact, I reached good reason to believe, I'll share in a second that they had no interest. And so they're like, what the heck, that doesn't it's And I said, what are you guys seeing? And they said, well, it has no wings, no tail, it's oval.

1:56:03 It's thicker than the planes. They had thickness. That was Those planes were really sleek and long. These this had thickness and the planes were kind of shiny. This was more of a dole finish. They said, no, no wings, no tail, completely silent, and the jets were loud. This was completely signed. The jets you could see were like thrusting forward. This thing would occasionally go side to side and occasionally lag a little bit behind the jets and then speed up and catch up with them, and then it would go side to side and it would lag a little, so it was clearly a different modality of propulsion.

1:56:44 It would lag and then speed up, and lag and speed up. And then they all went over the hill and they said, why are they following the train? And train? I said, good point, I said, I'm glad you saw that too. I said, they're flying under radar, clearly flying under radar. Follow the train. Two jets in front of the thing and one to the side. So you had two and two like this, everybody two and two. So the two wait, that's going this direction. Two jets here going like this, and the object so like this, and then the object was between them and the other object and the other So I mean sideways like this.

1:57:19 But you get it because they were right out from us. They were just slightly above us when they came down over the valley, but really close. And then they raised and then these ladies. It was a very hot day, because it was about a year ago. It was very hot, and I went in the car to turn on the air conditioning. They were talking amongst themselves. I got the car cooled anyways, and then they came. Well, the reason they were talking amongst themselves. Is they got in the car and said, we decide we don't want to go to the second location.

1:57:48 We want to end the tour. They were freaked out by what they saw that they never thought there was a reality to it. And I was asking them, I said, what do you guys see And they said, well, clearly were seeing a UFO. You know, without my hand, I just tell you what you're seeing. And they said, clearly, we're seeing the UFO. And they said there's jets escorting it, and and and and they talked amongst themselves and they said, we we don't They said, we don't feel good we went in the tour. I could tell they were.

1:58:17 I could tell they were freaked out. And by the way and then these things when they took off over the hill, guess what direction they were going? Straight back there, straight back underground five miles by lucky with the entrance. Just by listen. You have been an absolute absolute last have you in the like I said, stick around after the end credits and uh and have a quick five minute chat. Sorry, I gave you such a long show. I hope you can aired it together. It'll takes of course, you're gonna cut an half hour off editing it.

1:59:20 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, but I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I don't know why the the internet here was being naughty or if that's what it was, you know, whatever it was. But I'll give you a little piece of footage that we filmed, and I'll give you I'll give you linked to that and i'll give you hopefully you can do something with it. And I'll give you the photo I took up the entrance to the step plant and the little line I found online about it being Washington Post and on the line and the line picture.

2:00:00 Yeah. So I'll send you those those threer photos. That'll be easy. The video if there's, which is about three minutes long, hopefully you can, you know, put that all in.

2:00:16 Now there's footage. Ron James is gonna edit something together for me. He said, you know, you have to give me the pieces of footage. And I haven't had the time to review to pick out the ones of Jay's I want to use, and blah blah blah, and the ones and Karen's and then Karen did post them on Facebook on Karen Hill on Facebook. But they're they're not. I don't know I can't get them all to play. I don't know what's going on there, get asked, so and I need to get him in such a way that I can give him to Ron to edit together.

2:00:47 But the one, the one little piece of footage works works clearly. I have already sent that to a couple of people and they were able to watch it. So hopefully you're able to grab that and edit. Yeah and again. But as we're saying this, but by the time you edit thiss and we get to this, people say, yeah, we already saw that stuff. So if if it's successful, by the time you get here, you have already seen it. Yeah, but where where can people Where can people continue the conversation with you? Where can they find you?

2:01:27 Where can they buy Twitter? You know if people are Twitter people,

2:01:34 so twitter x whatever x under at Lenny Leslie and if you're friends with me there you can DM me at Lenny Leslie if I'm friends with you. But you can still put it in comments on something I posted at Lenny Leslie, so it doesn't need to be damned. And if you put something in comments to something I posted, then I'll see it. I posted that I was coming on the show, so that's there. Yeah, and what else and then west this is done. I'll obviously post links Facebook Melinda, Melnda Leslie on Facebook. And then my website is uh for for the tours is uh ufo Siting tours with an as plural dot com So ufo Sitingtours dot com and uh and I can you go to the Center for the New Age for booking anything with me?

2:02:37 And and also people cannot reach me the Center for the New Age in Sedona. Often people will call here and leave messages and the concierge is here very good about getting messages to me, So that's another good way. Yeah. So it's up on the scree right now, w w w dow ufo Siting Tours, which I really need to update. So I apologize because it says it's like I've done six hundred tours. It has so I need I need to I need to do that. Yeah, I have to do that. I have to do that. Keep up the amazing keep up the amazing work.

2:03:17 And we're gonna stay in contact and stick around after the credits. And to everyone out there listening, whether you're a member or whether you're not, this holiday season, we all I want to show support for each other. Everyone. Thank you Melinda for coming on the show and and dropping this here first. That that is my thanks. Thank you, thank you pushing the tape, thank you for having me on time. Thank you very much, and and for letting me drop this piece of news and kind of you using you to do so.

2:03:59 Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, and everyone out there listening, if you're listening on Apple or Spotify, make sure to leave a review. It helps. It's free. Just don't be lazy. You just leave a review five stars or a written review about what you think of the show. It really helps the algorithm. Again, it's free. Also, share the show with your friend's family, your enemies, the Grays, the Nordics. I don't care who watches the CIA NSA my personal NSA Asian. They've already seen it. Yeah, he's always watching, so shut out to Trevor.

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2:05:16 She's what I consider an expert and we were really really lucky to have Ron tonight. So with that being said, goodbye, Bro.