#94-Steven Bassett: Expert on the UFO Truth embargo details the gutting of the “Disclosure act”

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1:53 I am super stoked to be here today. We are live. I decided to just do it live. Why not because it was so kind of in the middle of the week. Today, we're here with Stephen Bassett to talk about the UFP Disclosure Act of twenty twenty three, why it was gut it, but there's still some good news, and he's gonna explain all that. He's our resident basically DC guy. He's a reporter, he's been you know, UFO activist, one of the first ever registered We've talked about talk to him on the show so many times now that it's it's just incredible because he's truly one of my heroes.

2:33 And you know, from being able to watch him on the screen to being able to talk to him in person as a friend has been truly an honor. And I'm also joined by another person who is the original UFO lobbyist, Teresa Sindell, who's been joining me for quite a few shows as of recently, which is I think really fun. It's been fun. Let me get that out of your face. How is it everybody? Sorry, it's a lot moving parts. I forgot how the live works. I'm gonna get back into the routine. Did you like my spin? It was awesome.

3:08 You pulled that off perfect. Thank you. That's all I wanted to hear, well, the show is complete, we can go home. Thank you everybody for tuning in. Just kidding, but Steve Noll, seriously, thank you for being here. I know you're you're you're busy. You're a busy guy. You got so much going on, and you just had a wonderful appearance on that UFO podcast with Andy and I definitely want to make sure we had John here to talk about the UAP Disclosure Act and what's been going on with people like Senator Mike Turner Schumer.

3:44 There's been a little bit of a battle about language in this amendment that's been proposed in the NDAA, so maybe you could help clear some things up. The battle is over, okay. The original bill, the original submission by the Senate was called the UAP Disclosure Act of four Did I love that name or what? That was? No accident, all right, They called it that for a reason. They were acknowledging the citizen work, citizen effort, and so forth. Thank you very much, Senator. Well, well, actually tumor and browns and reading, yeah, okay, And it was the bill.

4:30 It was the final piece of the legislative puzzle or the structure that they needed to put in. It might not have been as extensive and profound as it was. They might have gone something a little less soft, well, I mean a little softer, except because of David Grush. David Grush was the wild card in the deck and the joke in the deck that turned up. They knew he might, and ultimately he did. He turned up. He was never stopped, and since he came forward, he has not been repudiated by anybody that matters.

5:09 Now, that changed everything, and so in order to discuss this bill properly, I have to quickly update people in terms of Grush. Grush. Grush came forward as a whistleblower and on June the fifth, out of nowhere. I did not see it coming. Nobody saw that. Plenty of people inside the government that knew he was there, and he is a legitimate whistleblower. There are very few of those, at least in a very public way. There are a lot of witnesses, and there's a big difference between the two. Don't call somebody a whistleblower who's just a witness, but he's a whistleblower because he's said it, and he claims the policy of truth in Barber's illegal and he I think possibly was concerned he might be violating a law coming out, but he didn't have to.

5:58 He can be a whistleblower without violating it all. And he came forward because he was dissatisfied. This is a two year process. I can go into details, but whatever, it wasn't working out, and he decided to go public in a big way. So the article is printed into brief. It's written by Leslie Caan and Ralph Blumenthal, who wrote the December articles in the part of the semi articles in twenty sixteen seventeen. And then of course he gets this city to ross Coulthar. All. It was June five, big deal.

6:30 I was at the conference at the time, Indian Wells at the Renaissance Hotel. We just finished up the contact in the desert. We were in the final day of intenses and all that kind of stuff, and the news broke in in morning. Literally everybody's running around the hotel all excited. So about two hundred people we watched it live as it happened. We watched history happening together. It's fantastic. Okay, So boy, he dropped an ontological bomb in the soup by going public and confirming that there is non human technology and non human bodies.

7:07 In that instance, he confirmed Roswell. He also essentially informally confirmed the extraterrestrial presence, a kind of informal disclosure. He was second hand. It was secondhand information. However, it was second information from somebody that was in the position working for the UAP Task Force to get that secondhand information. Something that some people overlooked is that because of his extensive career in the intelligence community, working in a number of ways, he had many contacts. And so he contacted some of these people who had classified stating status and said can you confirm it?

7:45 And many of them did, And so what he came for, as far as I'm concerned, I had no doubt that it was exactly true. Boom, Now what Okay? This process has been underway for years, were headed towards the different hearings, and suddenly, out of nowhere, a person working for the UAP Task Force or formally working comes forward and says, yeah, we have multiple techs. Well, it took thirty nine days for the Congress, or at least that the people working on this in Congress to respond, and the way they responded was very, very significant.

8:31 So in the thirty nine days from the point that he came forward right, got a tremendous amount of press. And all of that is on my website, Paradigm Researchgroup dot org, in the in the news media archive. Yeah, all those links are in the description below. Excellent scores and scores of articles in mainstream media mentioning non human technology, non human technology not in bodies. So there it is literally an amendment that that said non human intelligence. I think I counted twenty one to twenty three times.

9:06 Non human has mentioned twenty five times in the disclosure up. I'm unreal. It took twenty nine day, thirty nine days to respond, and the response was profound. What the people, what the intelligence commit many decided to do is and with Schumer's help, is to go basically to throw the long bomb. In other words, we were getting close to a touchdown, we're winning, but this speeded things up. And so rather than run a bunch of more plays, you know, some ground game, just throw the bomb, throw right for the end zone.

9:46 And that's what mail mar and so he comes out and basically says, I am putting language into this, the present language which was about I don't know, eleven pages or something. Uh. And it was basically an amendment. I'm putting language into this bill that's going to extend it to seventy three pages, and it's going to call it an act, the UAP Disclosure Act. And he he talks about what it is and mentions the aspects of it. The press is covering it. They focused on the eminent domain. Uh, and I get that, but there's much more into into in that that act than that.

10:24 But the eminent domain is what got their retention why and this was that this was the maneuver total genius by coming forward and hitting them with eminent domain right away, which which would have happened later. I mean, we could have gone all the way to disclosure by the president and the eminent domain could have come up afterwards. But they decided to put it out right now. Why to read several reasons one bye bye by stating that I have put language in a bill that says the United States government has eminent domain and every on any non human tech in the hands of private private nay these including you know, Luckey Martin and the rest of the contractors.

11:02 He just confirmed there's a non human non human intelligence here and non human tech rights, which takes all the pressure off of Grush. He's just established the Grush was telling the truth. Okay. He sends a message to the Senate if there was any doubts that he totally supports what the Senate is doing, Senate Intel Committee is doing, and he sends a message to the military intelligence contractors but that we own that technology. Can I can I butt in real quick? Other people have raised concern over the eminent domain, even guys like Ross Coltart said that it was maybe a little bit uh strong handed, and like what would that mean for private people like like like say Jacques vois He's got a bunch of material?

11:54 Does that give the government the right to walk into his house and a bunch of material? What are you referring to the materials that he's been studying for years now? I think everybody knows that he has at least some We're not talking about a full UFO, maybe pieces in charge. I don't think the government would be too interested, But what would stop them from going that far? What it means is, yeah, it would affect him. What it means is and this is again misunderstanding. Eminent domain means the government has a right to quote, take it all right.

12:32 It doesn't mean it will take it, just means it has a right to take it. Okay. He's also declaring that the government owns it all right, which is non trivial as well. So we own it, we got eminent domain, and so everybody wrote throw out through han, oh my god, this is awful. No, it just means you have a right to take it, and that doesn't mean they will. And if they did take that tech back, which includes what you know, if somebody's got little pieces of a saucer, the government can take that if it wants it, it may not all right.

13:04 Are they going to send storm troopers out to break it? They even they even the Act even stated he had three hundred days to come up with a report of what you have. I mean, this is not a rush to anything. It is, but it is a maneuver. And this is the genius of this maneuver. Right, he backs up crush and he puts he puts this thing. He puts this this very powerful thing out there that goes right to the heart of I guess the truth embargo, which which involves the technologies that we've obtained in many cases, not all cases, being put in the hands of private contractors that are immune from the FOI A lab a lot, okay, okay.

13:51 And but more importantly, he forced them out of cover. And I think that Schumer knew that that eminent domain would not survive the conference process, it would be pulled out of the bill, but it didn't matter because it was up on the the Senate's legislative site for months went up on why the the fourteenth right, it's sending this big message out. You know, we're serious about this. We we even expect to have eminent domain. And what that did was force them out of cover. And here's what happened for the next months, starting in July the fourteenth, the civilian world, the civilian contractors, not act Jacques phil but the people that have been working on this tech and paid billions of dollars to work on a study it, examine it, try to draw conclusions from it.

14:47 And that's great. They've don their job, but it had to sit on it for decades, unable to capitalize on it, unable to patent it, and and and then develop to make huge sums of money for their shareholders because the truth embargo would not allow it. They've been sitting patiently and then all of a sudden, the government comes and says, we got eminent domain. And so they go, uh uh, no way. And so what did they do. They got in touch with their intermediaries. They couldn't come forward in person. They asked their intermediaries to get in touch with those members of Congress who were going to be involved in the reconciliation of the bill or affect the reconciliation of the bill, and as it happened, are mostly Republicans.

15:34 And as it happens, the Republicans get more defense contractor donations for their campaigns and the Democrats, where the Democrats do as well, but it focuses on the Republicans. And the two that get possibly as much as anybody, is Mike Turner and Mike Rogers, who happened to take the chair of the Armed Services and this House Intel Committee. And so they're getting huge sums of money in there, don't their campaigns and they're getting they're saying, uh uh, you got to stop this. Okay, You've got to stop this, and so naturally that gets around.

16:10 We learned this very quickly, and so what did we just learn? The defense contractors are pushing back on the bill to protect their rights to the non human technology, which which is another confirmation we have non human technology. They had no choice, Okay, So what you're saying is essentially that by they they were in a kind of a catch twenty two. They if they let it pass, they let it, it would be a put upon them. But they fought against it, showing that there's something to hide, confirming they have it.

16:48 Okay, and so brilliant move by Schumer. And he probably didn't expect it to pass. He may have hoped that the eminent domain would be a trading card he could use to get through the other stuff, because the other stuff is even more important than the eminent domain. I mean, if the contractors make billions of dollars, I'm not going to lose any sleepover it would be wrong. In other words, it needs to be shared with the American people and not just shared with their shareholders. But whatever. But the bill, the act also included one a president appointed review board that was going to have the highest level clearance would look at anything they want to.

17:34 Members of certain key committees that were going to have oversight over this process. That would also be given the highest level of clearances right as this process went forward. And what was this process called. It was called the Control Disclosure Program, And what was that. It was a controlled process in which everything the government has, everything, every dock, every file, every totect, everything would ultimately come forward, be reviewed, made public, and end up in the National Archives.

18:08 Not right away. It might take years for it all to happen, but something was going to start right away. In other words, immediately they're going to start having stuff moving forward into this process and being given to the public, so there'd be plenty for the public to learn about and see. And it went further. It stated that anything older than twenty five years, meaning anything that was signed or put in place twenty five years or older nineteen ninety eight would be fast tracked, so we'd have something in the mill right away.

18:37 So it basically set the entire structure up to bring it all out eventually into the public domain and then the archives. And it gave the people oversighting overseeing this subpoena power, the ability to subpoena anybody in the secret world, not because they're criminal, but because we want to talk to you, and not necessary publicly, privately, we want to talk to you classified. And if they say screw you, I'm not going I'm not gonna talk to you. I work in a USAP and you can go to hell. They could say, now you're going to go to prison.

19:14 And so subpoena power, all of that was in this bill, and I think that Schumer was thinking that, you know, they're going to push back against that for sure, but we'll trade him in a domain for that. Okay. So that goes out on the fourteenth fly and they go to work, all right, and the process gets underway. And what we learned is that Turner and Rogers and to some degree Mike Johnson were definitely favoring pulling as much of this as possible out of the bill. Would they win? Maybe maybe not, Except then we learned that somebody else had joined the fight, and that was Mitch McConnell.

19:56 Yeah, McConnell is more powerful than those other gentlemen, and is also more unstable. I'm not going to go there. Mitchell is is is uh is lobbying the senators. He's lobbying the Senate. Let's this is too much. Let's come back on it, all right, and but that's that's that? What does that mean? Then he did something else we learned about this. McConnell went to the House. He got in touch with Turner and Rogers and Mike Johnson, and he started making the case to them why this bill had to be significantly modified.

20:36 And they were on board. Plus they're getting pressure from from from people that are representing people that donate them millions of dollars, and so the thing got serious. And he had leverage because when McConnell is talking to the senators, he can say, if you guys don't pull this stuff out of the bill, the House is not going to pass it. They're not going to pass the nda A right. And so with that all in place, they go into conference and the battle begins, all right, and it got very intense. I jumped in, got very excited.

21:11 I got a little ahead of my skis. It was further complicated, of course, by the fact that, and this is non trivial that because of Grush, the House got into this early. In other words, for twelve days after Schumer makes his very significant chess move, the House makes its move. And this move was instituted by Tim Burchett, Anna, Paulina Luna, and Nancy Mason, a couple of others. They said, we want in and we want a hearing. Grush wanted a hearing. He gave them that hearing. They bring in Grush for favor and grays and hold the subcommittee hearing, which takes us his story at the level.

21:53 Because now Brush is confirmed everything under oath, and so the House is now a player here. And so when the conference battle begins, the House people step right into it and say no, no, no, no, we want we want this to happen. We want this to happen. We want to end the truth in Barbo. Basically. Now that's complicating things. It got more complicated because one of the things that these people who are heroes tried to do was, look, we'll help. We want to put some language in the House side of the bill.

22:28 It's not as complicated, but it's easier to understand and it will help get stuff forward. What they were doing they were trying to help. I misread that as this was some maneuver in which that bill was intended. This very short was intended to replace the UAP Act, got a little out ahead of my skis had to go and pull that back as I realized, no, that's not what's happened. And I've since talked to ten percent about that, and so now the house is involved. Okay, So everything goes on. We're watching it, we're raising hell, there's a lot of press about it, and ultimately they got what they wanted.

23:07 Okay, and I can read you exactly what it was. But essentially they pulled this peedup power. They pulled the eminent domain, they pulled the classification abilities of the people that were no longer empowered anyway, and they pulled the pay review board. Okay, but if you go read the bill and it's up on my website, you go to Paradi Research Group dot org aus you've pointed out, I've got both bills up there. You can compare them. I put them into very readable format, not like the Act, and I've highlighted key points.

23:44 If you read the new bill, which is one third the size of the UAP Disclosure Act, it comes in around eleven pages. What you find is the essence of the original bill is there. Okay. Human tech is mentioned only two times, but it is mentioned non human. It is mentioned. They could have pulled it. They didn't. They put non human in there, which essentially confirms that the grush and so forth. They talk about disclosure, they talk about bringing the information out, they talk about review, They talk about the postponement aspects of it, which means that it can be postponed.

24:20 Their language is more favorable to the government in that area, but it still talks about a process in which things are moving forwards, some as postponed and what have you. Basically, the essence of the original bill is there. It just doesn't have the enforcement teeth, but I don't care.

24:40 It doesn't matter. The fourth bill essentially furthers the original three and it sets the stage for what comes next. Now that that bill is going to be signed on the twenty first, there is no reason whatsoever for the Senate, which you now include the Senate Intel Committee, which really now includes Schumer as who has a great deal of influence over that committee, to call in the witnesses ready to testify and hold the damn hearing we've been waiting for for a year. Once that hearing takes place, and the proximately anywhere between twelve and twenty witnesses are able to testify under oath for about a week with an audience in the many millions.

25:23 The stage is set for the for the president to come forward to clothes, come forward and say, look, yeah, I've watched the hearing. I've said this countless times. I've seen it. I've watched it, talked to the d D, talk to my people, talk to my wife, and we all agree, pretty obvious non human presence here in the world. We're not alone. Think that's disclosure bout a bank. And then do you think that's likely, Steve, Do you really think that that's there's a high probability that that could happen I and it sounds like you're very encouraged that that like that when the president could come, are they going to say, you know, special announcement Friday night, tune in.

26:03 It's supposed to happen. It's where we've been heading, and I'm doing what I can to make sure it happens. And that includes the fact that since November fifteenth, I have either given or have now scheduled forty nine interviews. That's one and a half interviews a day. I'm scheduling more. By the time we get to January early January, I will have probably done sixty to sixty five live or reported podcasts on this issue, and I'm pounding the same message forward and I'm doing more than that. So all I can say that it's in play, it is a a target, people want it, it's getting lots of press coverage, and so it's realistic.

26:51 So that is what is supposed to happen. Now, guess what if the President discloses. I have a pretty good idea it's going to happen. Well, a lot's going to happen, but I have a pretty good idea within a very short amount of time, could be a days, could be a week. The entire UAP Disclosure Act is going to be resubmitted just right off it as a standalone bill,

27:17 the whole Enchilada, including manment Domain and now the House. You'll have to vote on this in the post disclosure world, in which all eight billion people know there is a non humans here, we have e T tech and now they're going to have to vote against it in the post disclosure world. I say, the bill sales through Congress, right, So I do you see this being a huge a huge card then for Biden in the next election if he's the disclosure president. I don't really care. Uh. You know, Biden will be the disclosure president because he was the president the last chair when the music stopped.

28:02 It's not because he's been he's been championing or coaching for it. He's never said anything about it. He just happens to be that president. How it affects his political prospects. Who knows, there's many possibilities. It might give him extra capital that gets him a win. He might decide that being the disclosure president is the ultimate final act. I couldn't the president wouldn't think that, Like, that's a way if you're on the real bottom end of the poll, as far as like public the way they see you, right, and you can change it with one, just one press conference.

28:49 You could turn it all around and cement yourself in history as not only the person who changed the world, but the person who stood up finally and said we are not alone as a president. I mean, that would be a powerful thing to do and be the most historical president that that would truly make him the most historical president in the history not only the country, but of the world. And then Steve, do you suspect other countries would follow, because I think they would. I'm seeing I've seen a lot of movement in other countries, maybe not necessarily from their parliaments, but you know, certainly like the Vatican's putting out a lot.

29:28 There's a lot coming from Australia. You think other countries. China is having a Yeah, the law follow law follow within days. Yeah, I mean, but boom boom boom boom boom boom boom. The first person that the first, the first head state that might follow, because the country has got a huge level of interest in the subject, right, would be President THEE the Mexico Carlos overdoor. It wouldn't surprise me if he was. He wasn't first, but they will all follow, all right. And in terms of let me tell you whatever President Biden thinks about the effect that being the disclosure president will have on his politics, I would be utterly shocked if he even talked about that in private, because there's nothing private anymore.

30:20 You don't want to politicize this one iota. It's one of the reasons that he's staying out of it. Staying out of it. He doesn't want to be publicly connected to this because he doesn't want it to be political. Its ultimate political impact will be non trivial.

30:37 But let me make you after watching politics for a lot of years, now, let me just say two things. One, the polls right now don't mean Jack all right, period. They don't mean Jack. They love to talk about him, they love to take them. I don't even care, I don't even norm right. And Secondly, there are things going on this year what could be hopefully not one of the most bizarre, awful, disgusting political campaigns of all time. It's going to be hell to watch, though disclosure can change all that.

31:10 But there are things that are been detpending politically in this year that are going to have far more impact, believe it or not, on the outcome of this election than President Biden confirming the extraterrestrial presidence. What can I say? Yeah, I agree, I mean, and there there is a lot that these Congress people do have to deal with on a daily basis. I'm sure that UFOs aren't are on their plate every single day. And you know, there's a lot more that's happening in the world. I mean, we're a couple sticks and stones from China making a move on Taiwan, and the real the world really kicking off in a bad way.

31:52 So if that were to happen, if China were to make a move on Taiwan and something, you know, something like that were to break out, do you think this puts disclosure on a total derailment as it would essentially be heading into the World War three? Anyway, I am glad you brought that up. Thank you know why, because young man, you were going to spend a lot of years in the post disclosure world. You're going to see things that I will not see, things that even in my life I never dream could happen. I mean, I know a lot that's going to happen, but this thing's going to happen I can't even imagine.

32:32 So you're going to see all that, and I want you to be able to see it and not you know, die in a nuclear holocaust, which brings me to me too, a really important point. Why why does the Senate have to hold the hearing in January as opposed to twenty twenty five or October or June. Why there is a reason, And boy am I hammering this home right? It is it is, it is there. There are some very logical reasons why, but basically, you know nuts and Bolt's reason, But these these are the two major reasons why they have to happen.

33:16 And that's where your future in my future too, but yours particularly and Teresa, who is very very young I should tell you. Oh, Teresa's youth all over it. She's a young girl. And so here's why there's two ways that things are going to go in twenty twenty four, right and and and the disclosure issue is involved in both. Here is the political one, all right, And this is in the hands of the Senate, I mean the Senate Intel Committee. Absolutely, they can actually make the call here. Either disclosure will happen before this presidential campaign is really underway, which doesn't really start until the first primary.

34:09 Not a big fan of the Iowa Caucus. Whatever they're doing, it's all great, don't care. But the first primary, that's when things get underway. We start our elections early. Here, it is a major problem we have, and they cost a fortune. This election is going to cost six billion dollars at least. Okay, they can do that, get that done. The president can disclose before this campaign starts, or they can put it off until some further point down the line during this year or maybe even to twenty twenty five.

34:38 And here is the difference between those two decisions. If they don't get this done, two thousand can balloted candidates, balloted candidates running for four hundred and thirty five House seats, thirty three Senate seats, a number in about twenty governor governor governor seats, a significant number of fairly important Senate fate Senate seats, and so forth. Two thousand ballot of candidates are going to be going out and doing their usual thing, raising millions of dollars for a job that pays two hundred thousand dollars a year, lying through their teeth, making fools of themselves, right, being completely inauthentic, being super hyper partisan, attacking anybody that's against them, and generally making the whole year one just miserable year, right, embarrassing the country and themselves as we do.

35:31 At the same time. Hanging over their head is multiple confirmation of non human presence in the world and unable to talk about it in the sense that I can't talk about that. And David Grush, David Grush, who's this guy? Never heard of it? What are you talking about? You know, you're going to have to make even bigger asses of themselves than they normally make be a disaster. Right, Okay, so that could happen, or we could get disclosure in January early February. How will that go? Well, here's what will happen.

36:11 All two thousand of these fine candidates are going to recognize that the confirmation of ET presidents is kind of a big deal and they probably should know something about it. And they're going to start reading these books back here, or they'll re kindle. They'll go on Amazon and put YouTube and the search engine and up will come one hundred and fifty documentaries. They'll watch those, they'll watch podcasts, they'll get some sense home understanding about what is happening, what has happened this issue to the best that they can.

36:46 And so consequently they will go out to campaign and they're going to have this unbelievably important issue which is completely nonpartisan to talk about. And so someone will say, well, what is your view on how we might deal with this non human technology? And the answer is not going to be the whole non human technology thing is a complete ruse created by the evil Democrats, and it doesn't exist, or it is a misguided thing, because they already have that technology they're working on it in an underground facility underneath the Democratic National Committee headquarters or whatever.

37:25 They'll they're going to say, well, this is an extremely important thing, and my thinking on this is that and whatever, and people go, oh, it's so nice to hear you talk like a human being. They will have an issue that they can focus on that affects every living person on the planet, not to mention everybody in their state or district, that they can talk about like an intelligent human being. It will suck the venom out of this snake that is coming to eat us all and make the selection actually kind of profound.

37:58 That's the difference between these two decisions. And then, finally, and this is the payoff, when the United States gets a brand new government in January of twenty twenty five one that we will have spent six billion dollars electing, we will actually know something about what all of these new senators and congressmen, governors and so forth, and the president too, by the way, know something about what they think we should do in the post disclosure world. What are their views about it, how do they approach it, and what are their views of the truth embargo?

38:41 We will actually know that whether we like their position or not, we will have some We will elect it a et the truth embargo informed government, for better or for worse. That is the difference. Politically. It is night and day and I I and so I just we got to have disclosure. I can't go through another election like this. I said, wear to God, this is gonna kill me. I will die before before the vote in November. I will eventually be off myself or just casually walk in front of a bus because I'm just so depressed.

39:18 Well, please don't say that. Okay. Now here is the other reason why happened in January. Okay, and this is where it gets really serious. All right, And I'm known for this, so you're going you've heard this before, but I'm gonna tell it again. The situation in the planet right now is bad. It's very, very, very bad. Okay. The reasons for it are kind of well known. We could spend hours going over those reasons, but we kind of know what they are. Right And just to get the top two. One, we're closer to nuclear war than we've ever been.

39:57 And I'm not it. Don't take my word for it. They're countless numbers of officials within the military intelligence community, as well as top level agency people and others who are coming for it and saying it. Ever since the Iraqi Ukraine Russia War began, there has been constant discussion about the fact that we are closer to nuclear war than ever. It could happen at any minute. The bulletin of atomic scientists is now at ninety seconds to midnight. We are just Con two in several of the commands around the world, deaf Con three in the United States.

40:31 If one tactical nuke is used in the Ukraine war, just one shell, that makes it a nuclear war. That takes the European command Center to deaf Con one. And there's some people think you have to have global nuclear war to be in death Con one. Now, one nuke in a war zone, that's nuclear war. That's def Con one. That could happen tomorrow. But it's worse. We have been living in a world for year years now where we do not have a complete inventory or cannot account for all of the nuclear weapons, material and devices that we build tens of thousands, and the government doesn't want you to know that, but in fact it's common knowledge.

41:20 There's no way we we I think I think it was rum that we can't account for two trillion dollars of the defense budget. Well, if we can't account for two trillion dollars, we can't account for the nuclear And so consequently, we have always been on the edge of what would be truly awful, and that is a terrorisd non state operator nuclear event where a non state operator, non state organization the city. Okay, pick a city. They're not going to pick just any city, They're going to pick one that will get people's attention.

41:57 And so if that happened, yeah, the situation is unbelievable because either no one will take credit for or one hundred terrorist organizations will take credit for it. And and and and the and the country in which that event takes place. What do they do, who do they who do they respond to, who do they attack? Who do they nuke? Maybe the decision is nuke everybody. I don't know, but we that could happen tomorrow, and and and people well they don't want to hear about it. Well I want to ask, you know, I know a lot of people always say this, and it's like, you know, we can't depend on some you know, for the most part, people would say this, Well, we can't depend on some maybe non human intelligence to come in and step in and save us.

42:48 Oh, we cannot. We can't. And I definitely agree with that. I agree with that. But do you think there is a I mean, Grush does also talk about this, this pact or communication between humans and NHI, and if there's any truth to that, then they clearly know what's going on in our situation here on Earth. Could we call in a favor, you know, could we I'm not I'm not saying I'm not. That's rhetoric. I guess, I guess. But is there is there any way that this NHI is is maybe at partly behind the reason that there's this big push like, listen, you need to unite your people, like you need to get this thing together because right now you're down this path and it all ends in ways that we've seen happen, and it's it's just chaos and utter destruction in the universe and we we can't let you do that.

43:54 Well, I think that's happened before. I mean, theologically, we have a lot of evidence of things like that happening in the past. I mean, we actually have evidence of nuclear weapons being used in Sodom Gomorrah. They have trinetite on the outside of archaeological Uh about then, you know, we we it's documented that there have been a lot of worlds that have come and gone, and we have free will apparently, I mean allegedly, that's what said. Uh, you know, so why would there be why would you know our world?

44:31 Now? You know? The Hope he say that four or five worlds have come and gone and that the people come to get them and they take them underground, you know. And there's prophecy Rock, you know, in Arizona, and it's it's I believe it's hope. And they very clearly draw two different lines. There's one line where if you want to stay with the old ways, and there's another line if you want to go with the new ways. And very right. So I think we have to really think about who we want to be and where we want to go, because there I think there is a lot of evidence that it's civilizations have come and gone in the past, and why would we Maybe we wouldn't be special, Maybe we're not as special as we think.

45:20 And and and this brings me to a good point for Steve and for you both in all the years that you guys have seen. I mean, this has been widely bipartisan. In a world that is ever divided, as divided as it ever has been, we see this one issue laying waste to that dividend for the most part. But somehow, some way through the veiled democracy right, people like Mike Turner, Mike Rogers and whoever's paying for their campaigns reached through the veil and crushed a bill that could have set the world on a new path.

46:00 Brushed the bill. They didn't. Okay, you explained that they took certain things out. It took some powers out, but the essence of the bill remains. And it was inevitable that it would get politicized at some point. Why was it inevitable? But it did get politicized and and and part of the reason for that was Grush. If Grush had not come forward, I think they could have proceeded with a much less intense bill. It would have done. It would advance things and set things up for the hearings and with a lot of less a strum and drive.

46:37 But Grush changed all that, and he forced a lot of the hand of Schumer. Schumer went went with the decision that he made and when the pushback began, the very first how would you say, the very first? Uh? Please, I'm sorry, hang on, don't worry about it. That's actually the President Colin for Bassett, guys. The first politicization of this issue, frankly was was from Schumer as the as the pushback began, Schumer went forward and I forget the arena, but he came forward and made a statement of the Republicans recotting a bill.

47:18 And this was there was a pushback against the bill, and it was the Republicans they were doing it. And I know that he didn't want to do that, but I think he had no choice. So that politicized it. Okay, Now the Republicans, though, I mean, this is where it gets interest. Why why I'm hoping to meet again with Tim Burshett very soon and maybe some of the other members of the House, is that while that did politicize it, we have these House people who are really vocal and out in front on and ending the truth in bargo and so ultimately the non partisan aspect of this will prevail.

47:56 But this was about money, right, It wasn't so much about politics. It was about money. It was about the billions and billions of dollars. The defense contractors were looking forward to making in a post disclosure world, and they were thinking they might lose that they might not right. The government could take eminent domain and then come back and say, Okay, we want to develop this technology, we want you to be involved. You can you get a piece of the action, whatever, But it's not going to strictly be that decision is not going to be strictly on the basis of serving your shareholders.

48:37 It's going to be right. It's not UFO by Lockheed, it's UFO by US government and Lockheed. Yeah, but they decided they didn't want to take any chances, so it kind of got politicized. But to finish the point I was making is that the situation right now is fraud. I have said for years that nuclear war was inevitable, and it is. It is. It is almost inevitable. I wish I could say that disclosure would would make it very unlikely, but probably not. We're still going to have that nuclear event. We may still have that terrorist event.

49:23 So that if that is the case, the decision is fairly straightforward. We can have that event happen pre disclosure or we can have that event happen post disclosure. And that brings me to a very important truth that I didn't learn. Well, there's a lot of things I didn't learn when I was young. God knows. I wish I could go back, but I've learned now. Whether you're talking about a person and their life or whether you're talking about a country, and it's it's it's as passage. What determined how successful or how how much your life is helpful and productive and happy, or how your country fares is more about is less about what happens to you or your country, but how you or your country react to what happens.

50:19 All Right, This is a lesson that some people learn, some people don't. But the simplest way to describe it in a metaphor, and I'm not trying, I hope I don't insult anybody. But two men with very similar backgrounds and education can go after the same war Iraq tick a war. We've had guns of them. They can have basically the same experiences. One comes back and is destroyed and ends up living in a tent somewhere dying of alcoholism, and another one goes on to get a PhD and becomes ahead of a firm. The difference between these two men is not what happened to them, it's how they reacted to them.

51:04 And this is what has been plaguing us. It's not that bad things keep happening, it's that we keep reacting to them the same way we have for twelve thousand years. And so, to put this in further perspective, given the reaction of the United States to having some of our buildings damaged and some people killed

51:28 in two thousand and one, right, what do you think the reaction of the United States would be if, I don't know, Baltimore, as has happened in Tom Clancy's book to some Beers, is destroyed by a nuclear attack by a non state operator, what do you think our reaction to that will be so good? It's that is what will probably have that nuclear event. The question is how are we going to react? Is it going to escalate the global nuclear war like everybody's been predicting? Okay, now, and here's the simple point.

52:06 If that event happens before disclosure, we know damn well how it's going to go. But if it happens after disclosure, it's a totally different matter. Why because everybody in the world at that point, including all the leaders and all the generals, the admirals and the secret spies, and everybody in the world, will know we're not alone, We're not alone in the universe, and what we do next will matter. Very likely shortly after disclosure, you're going to find information coming out about just exactly that was not previously available.

52:44 That's talking about how close we are to interstellar travel, how close we are to solving the relativity problem and be able to move from star to star like the ets do. That'll be out there without getting into open contact. We're in an another place and the world is different. Everybody is seeing it through a different lens. They're seeing possibilities, exciting possibilities. And so when that stupid thing happens Taiwan invaded by China, somebody rouns is a tactical nuke in Ukraine. When that stupid things happen, the world may react differently.

53:23 Our leaders make step back and go that's bad, that's awful. But you know, under the circumstances, let's not get carried away here. Now. I know this sounds simple minded, but it's not. It's an entirely different situation and so we may react better. And so the decision that sits on the desk of humor, Warner and Rubio is, do you want disclosure to happen in January so that if one of those bad things happens, we can deal with it. Or do you want to keep putting it off and putting it off and putting it off until that event takes place.

54:05 And I can assure you if a if an Israeli city, or a Muslim city, or a United States city is taken out by a medium sized nuke, the entire disclosure process is tabled. It is off the table, it is out of the question. It will not be considered. We will be dealing with a raft of other things, but not that. And the Eks may intervene and they come down from the heavens and say, you stupid fools, Look, will you cut out this nonsense? Or they may not. I don't know, and we cannot count on it. And so that is the decision that they're spending up against.

54:43 Now I've made my case. So our Congress and Senate right now is you're saying, our current Congress and Senate may dictate the future and how it plays out I think that the senator history happens right and later on you go back and you look at it and you go, whoa, whoa, boy, that was what a decision. You know, that was unbelievable. What you know, what great? But when it's happening, you really it's hard, very hard to see it, you know, it's very hard to realize. Whoa. But we live in a different time.

55:22 Things happen back. History happens fast, and so we literally know right now, at least I know, and I'm happy to share it on the next one thousand podcasts that literally the fate very much the fate of our civilization near term in the twenty first century. Right now, it may change, but right now literally rests on the shoulders of three men, Oh God, Senator Schumer, Senator Warmer, Warner, and Senator Rubio. Now, the other senators are important. I'm not trying to diminish them. I'm simply saying that these are the men could be a woman, but that's not the case.

56:06 These are the men that can call that hearing. The Supreme Court can't make them call that hearing. The President cannot make them call that hearing. No entity can make them. They can lean on them, and they can make and take them in a rum and say whatever, but actually do it. There is no power in this country they can force that hearing to take place, force those members to sit and listen to that testimony. The people that can do it are Schumer, Rubio, and Warner and so history literally is on their shoulders right now.

56:37 And I'm happy to point that out every chance I get. I'm going to try to reach out to them. You know, I'd like to on some of the big networks and talk about this. They won't. They won't bring me on. I've had a couple of very substantial interviews that were canceled at the last minute. It was clear from what I was told that somebody intervened and said, no, he's an idota fool whatever, don't bring them on. Okay, but I defy any I mean, I'm not defying. I'm simply saying it rests on their shoulders.

57:05 That's the way history is going to look at it. They're gonna looking any chance they can get. I just don't understand how they pick and choose which people the chance to put up on on network TV. Is it just the ones that suit their narrative. At this point, I will simply say this. This is the This is the most general statement I would make. We need you Arogan. This is I've known this for a long time.

57:37 I am an activist. There aren't many pure activists in this field. I'm also sagittarian, and so consequently I'm going to say exactly what I intend to say. Period. Others, the other people that that that that that get on it's human nature what they're doing. And this isn't really so much criticism, it's just respect for the fact that, hey, you know, getting on these shows is not easy. It's very helpful to your work, and so when you get on the show, you want to you want to frame in such a way that they will ask you back, right or if you're being interviewed by the Washington Post, which I was for a for a pretty good article by by Ashley Parker, and I told her exactly what I needed to tell her.

58:28 I told her the exact truth, and I came back and followed up with an email, and I haven't heard from her since. In other words, it's logical, you don't you want to be able to be invited back, and so you keep yourself within those within that reason, I won't do that. And they know I won't do that. They brought me on early in the aughts, and I went on and I said things, why is he saying that modern day modern day Douglas? I now am I am I going to throw shade on the people that go on and and and couch their terms in such a way they can keep getting back.

59:02 No why because I want them to keep getting I want people on those shows. And so if everybody went on and pissed off the network or then they would get invited back. We got nobody doing anything. It's okay, it's okay. And and I understand that I'm not really bitter. And plus what can I say? I mean, I went through years of this, right, I got off shows and and and they would bring me on and because I was getting some press, and then I'm not getting called back. But then God looked down on me and said, oh you poor boy, pore, poor activists.

59:38 Let me help you. Let me help you. Maybe the ETS did it right, you know, we we we get to you as a gift from the cosmos. The podcast revolution, Oh yeah, the rise of the citizen podcast journalism, which didn't exist at all, right, I mean the early days was broadcast dot com and make some people rich, where they were stations with broadcasts and stream but the idea of super cheap, high quality cameras and microphones and green screens and all kinds of stuff and streaming. And then the podcast. Oh my god, I didn't see it coming and suddenly there it was.

1:00:20 You know, how many podcasts now exists. They estimate four to five million, of which I think something like seven hundred thousand or commercial. Yeah, and I remember originally what they were saying is like like radio hosts like Howard Stern were like podcasts, you know, like like it's always it's always the the gatekeepers of the former technology that will bust the new technology. But really they're just behind and they just want to, you know, continue. They caught up. The revolution is I considered the last nail in the coffin of the truth in Bargo.

1:00:58 I mean, the they weathered, you know, Mosaic and Netscape. They whether the bulletin boards an email, then they whether the social media. They weathered the Google translation software that allows you to go to any any any site practically in the world translated into English and see what the hell's going on in Korea, Zimbabwe. They got through that. They they got through the growth of of of of broader spectrum journalism where you've got quality journalism coming from many. They got through that.

1:01:25 They're hanging in there. And then the podcast revolutions show though, and they're going, Christ, you're kidding me. And now people are like, like, you look at Tucker Carlson. He's doing better on x or Twitter formerly Twitter. Then he was on Fox like and it's and it's clear that mainstream media is not where people are going. Now they're still there, which it's all the time, and mainstream media is already incorporating it. They all got podcasts as well. You're gonna have both, right, I mean, a podcast has its limitations, but you know, Joe Rogan was a podcast and he got I don't know how many hundred million dollars for taking this podcast pro the message is clear, and so consequently I got audience.

1:02:16 I can, I can, I can talk like this all day long, and so we have we have a platform. Now. Look not everything that happens on a podcast, it doesn't matter. The point is is that is that this is one more communication tool that allows activists to get the message out. In the old days, they had to send out they had that mimiograph stuff and hand out you know shop. You know, right now you literally have a mailing list for like a magazine. Yeah, so I'm happy. You know, you might think I want to ask you both.

1:02:50 I want to ask you both this because I think you both have a lot of experience in this in this world. But after so, you guys have worked towards disclosure, right, so you guys do see a future where disclosure does happen. Day one, right after disclosure, when do you think we start talking about abductions and the maybe the not so great aspects of the non human stuff, the stuff that maybe we still have trouble with ourselves. When do you think that we end up starting starting that conversation and having it together as a as a as a species after disclosure, Because I don't think it comes before it comes up day one, day one.

1:03:39 Oh yeah, absolutely, day one, because I think it's a big I mean, there's clearly connections that we've all seen, right, There's there's similarities we've all heard, and that's going to be a big question for the public. Is holy shit, you guys just told us that that aliens exist. Are they coming into the bedroom? Right? Is that really happening. I'm going to make that's question number one. I will make you a prediction. I'm not going to bet on it, but I make you a prediction it will be. It will be ask in the first ten minutes of the press conference or the press briefing that follows disclosure.

1:04:22 Whether they hold it that night, you know, the day and right after, whether the President makes the mistakes of taking questions once he makes that announcement, that would be a mistake. But the first briefing, right, it could be the DoD it could be at the White House. It comes up in the first ten minutes. And here's why if JFK lived and was able to pursue, because he was a man of vision, intelligence and what have you, which is kind of scarce now we're not getting a lot of that he envisioned using the I believe based on the little bit of evidence we have, it appears that he did consider that the reality of the et presence, which he knew about, I can assure you, was possibly the way to get over this thing that we have with the Soviet Union and this proliferation of nuclear weapons, it was heading to disaster, that it was a way to come together, and he was starting to work with that a little bit, okay, if he hadn't been assassinated, and it actually developed that and after a couple of years and some back and forth which would eventually leaked out that JFK is talking to the Khrush chef about the reality of extraterrestrials and how we could work address that together.

1:05:46 We would have had disclosure in nineteen sixty four, nineteen sixty five and then the press conference following it. Contact would not have come up. That was sixty five, fifty sixty years later. Believe me, the idea of abductions in contact is known all around the world. There have books. There have been books and movies and documentaries. It's thoroughly discussed. There are people that are coming forward and saying to be contacts. Movie stars Jim send me then is cia career. He's a contacted. And so the idea that a journalist who knows this, I mean they read stuff, they know what's going on, so they know that it's in play, they know what it is actually an issue, and they're going to be in that room in the day after disclosure, and they're going to be able to ask some questions, and they're going to sit there and go, well, you know, that question could be kind of upsetting, and I think we should hold off on that and maybe wait a couple of weeks.

1:06:49 Now they're in there to ask the best, most profound questions so that their paper or their news organization gets massive eyeballs, and they're going to raise their hand and say in the first ten minutes, sir or Jean Pierre Pierre as you, I'm sure you know that there's a lot of discussion, a lot of people talking about the fact or researchers that that the ets are actually taking people from their cars or their bedrooms and bring things and bringing them back. Is that happening? Answer, yes, she or the spokesperson the d D would be making a colossal mistake to commit a bold face lie in the face of the current situation in this world and what we know and the ability we have to address bold face lies.

1:07:41 To do that, she will have to say yes. And the follow up question, which will either come from that journalist or somebody else, is why didn't you stop it? Or question is again, these are these are the kinds of public relations problems they're going to have post disclosure, which is one of the reasons that're going through all this balderol. Right now. The answer to that question is there's nothing we could do about it, right, And that's not a bad thing to say. If it's no, it's the truth. It's the truth.

1:08:11 That's why you got to say it's the damn truth. Now, when I say that, let me let me point out something. There is some things we could do about it in a way, in other words, contact These have a very limited range of options to deal with what's happening to them. They try, They tie themselves to the bed, they put a camera up in the room right to film it, and then the ETS turn the camera off. Whatever. But if in a fully disclosed world, when you factor in government and other non non government institutions, the number of things that could be done to really complicate the abduction phenomena is non trivial.

1:08:55 Ultimately, stop it. No, the ETS wanted to take it, they're going to take it, but we could really make it tough, we could make it awkward and and so. And they won't go into this in the press conference, but it'll come up and do course that. I mean they'll be like after after amongst after disclosure, I think all abduction stopped very quickly worldwide. Interesting, I definitely think there would be a market like a snake oil market where like you know, there are people who who do the like doomsday prepping.

1:09:31 They'll be like they'll all of a sudden they'll be selling like alien uh, like alien sigils to put on the windows, they alien bear spray. Yeah, yeah again, Alex Jones will be all over it. Well, you know you can't for years now you could get abduction insurance uh, which has yet to pay off. No, this is non trivial. Now there are there are going to be some contact these there going to be distressed as hell them. But makes it such a political nuke in the first place, I mean this is this can be played both sides.

1:10:13 Absolutely nothing to help us. And you knew we're not the only nation that will have to say that though every nation is going to answer the question the same way. But again, the prospect of disclosure ending all uninvoluntary contact with the teas by by citizens of any nation, this is a non trivial thing. I think it ends. And so I mean obviously this is totally up to the ETS, but it's one more piece of weight on the scale favoring disclosure, right, because if it has the possibility of ending abduction, then good, that's a good thing.

1:10:50 And so again, uh, these are just post disclosure concepts of which there are several billion. I happen to believe open contact will happen in two years. John Ramirez has indicated he's gotten some sort of information it's going to happen in twenty seven. That's three years. But after open contact, I can't imagine that abduction continues. And so again, you know, I can't prove these things right, but these are legitimate factors. But the thing is that I guarantee you that abduction will be one of the earliest questions answered asked by reporters in any briefing room.

1:11:28 I don't care where they are, National Academy of Sciences, over at NASA, DoD White House. Is abduction happening? Answered yes? Can you do anything about it? No? No, I asked bursche I mean, we asked Burschett outright. One of the other things I did want to talk about is so it sounds like through the grapevine and what we're hearing is people like Mike Turner are kind of throwing cash towards people to oppose people like say Timber. Shit is that is? This? Is this truth? Is that you guys hearing that as well?

1:12:05 Because that's something that I find very very frightening. I'm not frightening. Uh. I have heard some of this. Uh I I haven't read it in a what will high a high level publication, or maybe I actually did and forgot. I'm gonna say it's very possible. Let's assume it's true, all right. So Turner is turning on for set. There's only one reason he's doing that is going on and News Nation and and Fox News and saying there's extra dress here, you know, yes, uh and and and and and Turner views that because he is heavily funded by national security stuff.

1:12:50 In other words, he's getting money from people that support national security or their defense contractors. They are certainly very much orient toward that zone. He's getting money. And Burshett is Birchett rather Burchette clearly stepping into his yard there, all right, And so he's been extremely vocal, and so he might be doing that that is not going to work. Well, let me tell you why. First of all, Tim Burchett was the first member of Congress to ever say there's an extraterrestrial presence in front of a camera.

1:13:28 It's never happened. Tmz Yea even Shift didn't do it. Hillary Clinton didn't do it. There's a couple of senators that have been involved in they didn't do it. He was the first person. He made history the News Nation or Fox. Then he kept saying it over and over again. You know what's crazy to me is like twenty years ago, that would have been all that we needed. Well maybe not, maybe not because there are there have been other congressmen who have come out maybe no, no, no, no congress person has ever said that.

1:13:57 But but but edgar Mitchell did he did it. I want to say, other high level of people, nothing happened. Gary Nolan went on, went on the on the pat News and said there's extra trustrial presence here. Bobart Bigelow went on sixty minutes said, there's an extraterustrial presence here and that's it helps believe me, believe me. I'm happy. Is that why you think that it has to be the president, because clearly other people have said it in a high level like David Grush essentially disclosed. I mean that was for me, that was all I personally needed.

1:14:31 But for the Yeah, for the general public, I understand that there's still like it's just a general public tyler. It's it's it's the nature of government and the nature of of our world. Look, there's a there have been instances in our country where all kinds of people are running around saying we need to go to war with somebody. Pick a country. I don't know what it was. You know, we got out of war with it, go to war, gotta go to war, right, and they said we must go to war. Why do not we just go to war no matter who they are, could be a general.

1:15:04 General come out, so we need to got a war something, because only the Congress could declare war. Period. The Congress doesn't declare war. We're not going to war. I don't care how many people stand up and say that, right, And then of course the executive branch carries it out. And so the fact that there are people saying we have the teas here, the fact of people saying that we need to acknowledge it, et cetera, isn't enough in order to open the doors that have to be opened. The president must do it, and it is in a national security matter, and it's absolutely the president's prerogative to do that, right because what it is is an active declassification.

1:15:42 And the president does have the power to declassify anything, though there is a way that it's done. But the president is the one person in this country that has the power to declassify anything, all right, which some presidents don't have as well as others. And so what happens when the president discloses he is declassifying that truth, that that fact ultimately in a formal way. And what happens then, And this is my current metaphor of choice. I have a lot of metaphors. I love metaphors. Is this

1:16:23 I live in I have an apartment. I live in la I live in an apartment complex with about two three hundred units. There are some maintenance people there that have a master key to every single one that could come in anytime they want and flagrantly catch me overeating. I'm going nuts for tats cookies right now and it's becoming a serious problem. But they don't, but they could. Disclosure is unlike what Bigelow and and and Edgar Mitchell or Gary Nolan or Tim Burchett are saying disclosure is a key and actual key, formal key that opens up a thousand doors.

1:17:07 There's a thousand doors out there that we need to get through to see what's on the other side in order to fix all the crap that we've created here. Right, and there were the answers, the possibilities, the routes are on the other side. We've been kicking on those doors. We've been beaten on them with our fists. We can't get through. Disclosure is nashal is disclosure our new energy see? Is that our new sustainable energy source? Is that really? What? It is? A long list, Teresa of countless things.

1:17:43 There's a thousand doors, and so it opens every one and we're not obligated to go one at a time. They'll open all at once, right boom, and we go through those doors and suddenly we're seeing learning things and considering things we couldn't before. And so it is it's like it's like Alice in Wonderland going through the you know whatever it is. It is, So pick anything energy, anti gravitics, uh uh uh Well, first of all, genetics, uh, learning about this issue by dealing directly with contact ease, doing full compilations of the reports.

1:18:23 All right, reconsidering all geopolitics and the light of the fact that we're not alone, right, reconsidering all the environmental issues in the post disclosure world. Example, here is behind one of those doors. Unlock the door you go through, Uh, antigravitics. Yeah, we got them. Okay, you got it. You got you can go up there and just you know, without rockets. Yeah, we got that. Well, I'll tell you what. There's a company that makes these huge panels, right, that company could make panels that you could use your anti gravitics to go up and put in not a soul syncher in a sun synchronous orbit to the planet.

1:19:01 What the hell is that? Well, sun synchronous orbit, it's kind of like you know, the stationary orbits that satellites have. They're simple because the Earth is round, and so you just have to have the right speed and it just stays there. The Sun, the orbit of the Sun is not round, it's elliptical, and so the position of the planet kind of changes. Right. You put up a huge array of panels that can move, and those panels move, so they are always oriented between the Earth and the Sun as it goes through its full elliptical And okay, fine, you got panels.

1:19:42 We gotta do it with a panel. Very simple. They're movable, right, And so this giant array of panels can be moved so that it blocks out a certain percentage of the Sun's energy from the Earth. Could be it half a percent, who knows, it may not much at all, but by doing that they reduce the amount of energy coming in. Global warming solved. Global warming solved. And if necessary, if we end up going through a cooling era right at the beginning of an ice age, which would be bad glaciers over New York, terrible for tourism, all right, very bad for tourism, we reorient the panel so they reflect an additional half for one percent of energy.

1:20:27 And so Randy Gravitix, which lies behind that door, allows us to solve the global warming problem for a tiny fraction of the costs that we're spending now to deal with it in a nearly hopeless effort and driving ourselves crazy politically and emotionally and everything else. So that's one door. And so the ANSWER's question is that there is a countless number of things, and that is one door behind another door may be an energy paradigm and if that is happening, that's equally as profound is temperature controlling the planet for like a few bucks.

1:21:04 Right. If there's an energy paradigm shift and it's behind that door, it changes the world. Now, it depends on how big a shift it is. If it is capable of generating non polluting energy, it may be one cent on the dollar, it's unbelievably transforming. If it's capable of generating it forty cents on the dollar, that's pretty good. If it's just non polluting but cost as much, we'll take it. Right, that is possibly there, and you just go down the line, door by door by door. All of those doors open enough doors to keep the human race busy for at least a full life span seventy five years in which starts.

1:21:46 So that's that's and the only thing standing between us and being able to open those doors. Right now, it's a hearing in front of the Senate. In a simple statement from the President of the eye in States, I mean, when you put it that way, it's like, what that's very very simple, very very quickly, what what what's what what what? What is the barrier? What are the problems? Now it's just student hearings. The President announces the eight disclosure, we move forward, and all of the arguments for always could go bad and it won't work out and people get upset and all that crap, And I'm going, wait, you think nuclear war is going to upset people?

1:22:26 Yeah, well they won't have a chance to be Yeah. You think when the oceans are completely compluted and polluted and that you can walk from California to Japan without getting wet, and and people are dying because there's no fish, you think that's going to upset people. So look or melting off, the melting off the rock that we live on. That would be bad. Yeah, there's so many ways that that it could go bad. Yesterdays. So we're going to get what you're saying. We're going to get all of the technology that will be required to go interstellar, which will be like star trek type of stuff.

1:23:04 We're gonna get it, even if even if we don't get disclosure, because the public sector is closing in on that physics. Now, we may need the government's help to build the starship, but maybe not right, you know, I'm sure Elon Musk would happy to be happy to build a starship with the ET technology that he says isn't there? Uh and uh and doing what is my mind that he takes that opposition. He knows there's an ET presence, I guarantee it, right. But Elon, you know he had you know, he has SpaceX, And if he were to say there's an ET presence, the first question would be the why and the hell are you building?

1:23:41 Right? And his SpaceX program becomes irrelevant and that's no fun, right, So uh, but you know, when you when you're worth when you are you are the richest man in the world, not just rich, you're the richest man in the world. I mean it varies. He's he is, he is at whatever. The point is, If you, at any time are the richest man in the world, the idea that nobody is going to tip you off is an ET presence is ridiculous, Right, some retired admiral will call you up in the middle of the night, or or or somebody that just wants to get to know you.

1:24:14 Hey, look I've got they're all tipped off. I think, yeah, I think he's too much. I think he's in bed with the government in certain areas, specifically aerospace, and that is going to keep him from talking. And you know, well, there is no people like Neil Degas Tyson who may not have been tipped off or I think have been. They they are the ones who I think are ignorant about it. I ya Neil de Grass Tyson and his connections in the scientific world, and he's talking about this issue. You don't think that somebody and he absolutely respects and trust, hasn't taken him aside that they all know, they all know this issue is again, it's like everybody's in the closet about it.

1:25:03 What everyone's everyone it's everyone's in the closet about it. It's everyone knows it's there. Everyone's you know, will have if theyre sit down and they're they're two beers in, they will be like, you know, yeah, I know, there's clearly no way we're not you know that we're alone in the universe. Everyone. It's like we all fundamentally agree on that. It's just something's keeping us from having the conversation as a species. And I think that's the hurdle that we're facing. The truth embargo is keeping us that that's the truth embargo, this policy that is led by the United States and the in the in the in the democratic world, and and and co uh not coal but uh you cooperated with, not cooperated with, but co opted, you know, co opted by in the in the in the dictatorship world because they don't want anything to do with that.

1:25:55 They want to keep that, and so we managed to keep it there. And and again they may. Thing that I still marvel at is that technically the policy this government is still that it's not you know, it's not well, I mean recently this sort of is out, but I mean overall, up until just a few months ago, the policy of the government now there's no there there when huge sass of the entire human race know there is, and they get away with it. And this this, this is a lesson, okay that we we will learn. Hopefully this will be one of those doors we go through post disclosure.

1:26:30 On the other side of that door is a rethinking of leadership. And here's what I mean, Okay, at any given time on this planet, in the two hundred nations and sovereign territories, a certain number of the leaders of those nations or territories are either mentally ill, seriously evil, unbelievably narcisstic, extremely dangerous, and a few other things, one more or all of them. X number, it's not a big number, might be twenty five. So these twenty five leaders are outnumbered on this planet, right, hundreds of millions to one.

1:27:28 Mm hmm, okay, right, well, let's see we have eight billi planets. So like you see, one hundred million people is there's eight billion people, so that a thousand, one hundred millions, yes, a thousand hundred, it's a thousand. So they're outnumbered one hundred million to one. And yet they're still running the countries. They're still there. They're young men off the war, blowing them to hell, blowing up by the countries, committing all kinds of unbelievable awful stuff. And they're outnumbered one hundred billion to one.

1:28:04 And so the rethink goes like this post disclosure, after you go through that door. This will be a think tank thing. I mean, I'm sure all the think tanks are gonna dabble in this. I'll I'll write something that people will ignore. But whatever is this, let's all agree as two hundred nations and eight eight hundred million people. They were just never gonna let one of those people run and run anything or in a country. We're gonna, we're gonna see him coming, we're gonna pick him off, and we'll do what we have to do that.

1:28:37 They never get into office, they never into the palace. They simply don't get to run a nation. And frankly they probably should be in prison. And we just, hey, we just agree to do that. And so as they come along and you see him coming, you go boom, gotcha. Now in and where it's most problematic is in in in governments or nations where people ascend by right of birth. Now, this has been this has been the standard in the humans, uh we for a long time. In other words, you've got kings, and you got you got bloodlines and stuff like a lot of that.

1:29:17 Right got these bloodlines, right monikers king. And of course that's tough because once you bought into that, well, you know, the pharaoh's son takes over. Now the pharaoh's son is clearly out of his mind, but he is. And I'm saying now we can deal with that too. And and and Britain has dealt with it. They have a bloodline as part of their government, but it is essentially token King Charles is a token leader. So on the other side of this store, we make this decision that lunatics, fools, assholes, evil people utterly destructive with have terrible childhoods and other problems will not become as a state.

1:29:56 You will simply not allow it. Right now, I don't know all the details of how this is going to come about. I just know we have numbers on our side, right and so whatever it takes, if it takes an empowered u n that has the ability to pass a vote that says that such and such a leader is completely unfit to govern, takes whatever measure measure it takes for that person to be gone, then that's what you do. And people say, well, well no, no, no, no, no, we be violating their rights, no right. If a luna is running a country, they don't have any rights.

1:30:38 So this can you just understand how that simple change in perspective and decision on the part of nations eliminates so much of the awfulness, because if you look at the twentieth century, it is one narcissistic lunatic after another getting power and with the help of others and taking their nation to destruction. It's happened over and over again, and so let's stop it. Yeah, and and and you know it's funny. So Teresa, uh does have to go. And it's funny because her and I have been talking about this a lot lately, and and you know, learning from our past and how we are are very bad at doing so it's like we it's like we can't remove ourselves and take a step back and look at the whole picture.

1:31:30 We have a very hard time doing thing. And then I just simply we can't fix things. Right. Yeah, So Teresa, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a jump off point here. Thank you so much for joining us. And you've been absolutely amazing as always. I appreciate you having me and Steve. I know, assholes for president. I can get on board with that. More asshole presidents, right, Yeah, we have to be careful here, just because you don't likely it doesn't Oh no, they got to go. I mean they've got to be clearly and obviously competent.

1:32:04 Okay, you know, I mean it has to be very clear. If we can just just eliminate the worst case scenarios, things could get a lot better. I actually not being political there. Yeah, she she she left a little comment for you and said that she she she loves you and that she'll see you soon. And so before before you, before we go any further, I want to I wanna, I want to ask you a question. A lot of people are saying, you know, behind the scenes, that it's the same thing every year. You know, always around this time, people say disclosure is gonna happen.

1:32:48 It's always right around now, before the presidency or before the election starts, before the election season starts. You know. I just want to read r like, what makes this right now different than five years ago in twenty seventeen when that article dropped, Because that was a watershed moment for the world as well. So what's to say that this is different, Well that that event which was triggered by the people coming forward two months earlier with the To the Stars Academy, those individuals who essentially put their their gravitas and their their reputation and so forth out front and on the line, meaning we clearly are supporting getting this out and whatever in the context of this company that was formed, that's fine, whatever, I understand why they did it.

1:33:41 That doesn't matter. The point is they came forward, and a lot of people knew instantly that that meant that the consensus, well consent, that there is a growing consensus within the military intelligence community that this truth and Barber needs to end. There's plenty of support within. It doesn't mean that they're cann't do anything about it, but it's not while working for the government. Right, these ten people said, well, we're basically no longer under salary. They might have contracts, but well, we're gonna come forward even if we lose our contracts.

1:34:11 And so that's when it begins. And so what's happening now is the result of what that triggered. H and it triggered the first domino. Ultimately, it's it's a simpler metaphor. And if you're an activist, right, I like this metaphor for people trying to understand me. Right, not that they need to understand me, but they they some try eternal optimists constantly saying disposure is gonna happen, supposed it's going to happen. Yeah, yeah, Well they growl and whatever, I don't, I don't, I don't mind.

1:34:43 It's simple. Think of it this way. Your father and you're thirteen year old son who's had problems in life and uh and and even has some physical issues. But you love them, love him, and he's your son. And he decides to run a marathon, all right, fine, and you support them, okay, and you got to train, you gotta do this, you gotta do that. And finally the day comes to run this marathon twenty six point two miles, and it's not going to be easy, right, It's going to be very hard for your son to do this.

1:35:28 Okay, you see, they see how I'm trying to make this example relevant. Yes, And so the marathon begins and you are running with him because you are you can chick too, So you're running with your son. And one of the reasons you're running with him as opposed to just going off and running ahead and doing whatever you want to do, is because you want to help him finish, right, Hype, now support Do you think it's going to help if the father of this boy is constantly telling him as they go twenty going down that twenty six miles?

1:36:02 You know, I'll tell you, I love the fact you're trying this, son, but you know, I don't think you're gonna make it right, I don't think you're gonna be able to finish this marathon. I mean, you got you got this problem. You've got that problem. You're probably not you know, you're probably not gonna make it, right. I don't know. That's not what the dad's gonna do. The dad's gonna say, son, you can make this. You're gonna finish this race, okay, And when it starts getting tough, the son the father will come in and say, look, okay, this is you know, I see the problem here, right, I understand.

1:36:33 Slow down a little bit, but you're gonna finish. You're gonna finish. You're gonna finish. That's what activists have to do, because that race is twenty six point two miles. The major activist movements of the twentieth century lasted seventy eighty ninety one hundred years, whereas the people guarded the movement had never live to see the end of it. And so

1:37:03 you have to keep people convinced that you will finish that race and get the proper point. When I did the iron Man triathlon, I barely made it in time. I had to get in there by by midnight. I got there eleven thirty. I had problems along the way, but I got there and I got my medal, and then hangs in my office right now. Nobody was telling me, Steve, you can't make it. You can't make it. I was worried I might not, but always I was going to finish that race. And so that's what activists do. Now, this race has been underway for seventy six years, but the activist movement has really only been underway for about twenty five years.

1:37:46 It doesn't really become kind of an activist movement. Maybe the symbol of that was when the Operation Right to Know held the very first protest in front of it the White House with some signs. You know, they didn't have a lot of people show up, because that's not the way this works in this issue. But yeah, you know, and and a couple of head core Moerica is still alive, with a couple of the people that were involved in that have passed. But it's really only twenty five years about the time that I got in nineteen ninety six, so it's not seventy five years.

1:38:18 In fact, it's about twenty six years, which is interesting because a marathon is twenty six months. That's why I came up with this idea. And so where we are now is that father and son are approaching the finish line, and the reason they know it's about to end is because they can see the finish line. When I finished the Iron Mantrothlon in the middle of the night, it wasn't until I got on the outskirts of Kylua Kona, still a couple of miles from the finish line, that I could see the lights of the finish line because it was dark and I handed lights right right.

1:38:56 So it's like the area I knew, okay, it was going to be difficult. So the reason that things have changed is that we can now see the finish line without question. And does that mean that as the father and son approach the finish line with the father rooting him on and the kid struggling but he knows he's gonna make it, that some idiot could run out of the spectators and tackle them both, right, take a leg, of course not. Does that mean that he needs to remind the son that at any moment somebody could tackle you.

1:39:34 Never fit now, you just keep going until you get there. That's how activism works. And so there are things that, as I told you. There are a number of events that could happen in the world that would shove all of this completely off the table. Right. But if barring that, we are going to finish this marathon, we will get disclosure. And it is very close at hand, totally in reach, and for the reasons I've stated, it needs to happen. That's the answer to your question. That's the next why I do what I do and the way I do it that way.

1:40:13 I know how activism works. I've studied the activism of successful movements. Uh, and that's what you got to do. Yeah, I mean we look at the like the the black black rights movement with Martin Luther King and even the women's rights that those movements they took, like you said, lifetimes. You know, some people that started it didn't end up seeing them a little. So there are people. It's it's a weird notion to think about, but it's like you and I are that father and son racing because I'm part of that newer generation and you're the generation that started, and it's up to us, like you said earlier, to pick up that baton and to carry it past that finish line.

1:40:59 Well, sure, yeah, I mean it's harder for the newer generation like Gen Z's particularly and some annals because they don't really know the history of it. And so it's but look, I'm a baby Boomer, and it's the Baby Boomers that's that that that that started the truth in Barco. Okay, okay, they're the ones. Well, way, that's not quite true. It was the greatest generation that started the truth in Bargo. These are the men and women that defeated the Nazis uh World War two uh, and then also the Korean War.

1:41:32 These are the ones that did that. That's the greatest generation, and they're the ones that made the decision to begin the truth in Bargo. It was the baby Boomers me as we grew up that decided to go along with it right and service it, maintain it right. And so baby Boomers have been the principal maintainers of the truth in Bargo. So why not it doesn't it's not It seems not unreasonable that the baby Boomer generation, my generation are critical and very much participating in ending it. We help maintain the damn thing.

1:42:08 The people that started it are all dead, so they're out of the question, but we help maintain it, right, at generals and admirals and CIA people in gardless of politicians, and on and on and on and on. And the guys that ran the DIA and the CIA and the Air Force and all I kind of scrap, they maintained the strict in Barbara. So that generation and Generation X are the ones that are predominant in the activist movement and are going to end it. And that's fair. But anybody else that wants to join in fantastic and they are.

1:42:39 And so this child that has been running this race for twenty six miles, which kind of marries up to the twenty six years since the activist movement began, this child is really fortunate because he has ten thousand fathers, thousand fathers, one hundred thousand fathers running alongside saying you can finish this, you can finish this. We're gonna help you finish this. And that's it. That's how that's how it is. Here, here's my clothes. One of the great things about this particular metaphor of the marathon is that I came in near the last.

1:43:26 I think there was only three people that finished after me, maybe five six seven. Because I had problems on the race I could have. I could have maybe finished hours earlier, but I had problems, so I ended up barely getting done. The professional triathletes they got done, They finished race, and what is it about two hours, three hours, eight hours, nine hours something like that. I mean, it's it's just unbelievable, right, it's so uh but so so. When you look at the results of the Iron Man nineteen eight ninety two, you got this huge long lives a thousand people, right, and they got the times right from the winners men's women and women.

1:44:06 Big okay, And that's the way works. That way races work. Yeah, the race that we're in is different. Right. The finish line is disclosure. That's the finish line until we get disclosure. We did't finish this race. And when disclosure comes, every single person in this planet, all eight hundred billion, cross the finish line together together the same time. Nobody's first, nobody's last, everybody crosses the finish line at the same time. I like that metaphor because it's true. Right now, maybe you didn't know you cross the finish line because you've been involved somewhere, had no idea what hell's going on, you're working on any Antarctic on something and then you find out later the point is you crossed it, you just didn't know it.

1:44:52 Yeah, so that's that's what's not right my kind of race. Man, everybody gets a medal, everybody gets a certificate of disclosure. Certificate that would be so epic. And I want to talk about one last thing. Uh. You guys have started something called the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance and me, uh, you know, coming from that arena before this, it's something I'm very interested in hearing about, learning about, maybe getting involved in. I still maintain lots of connections with networks and actors, and I just want to hear about the vision for what you guys are trying to do, because this is something that is not it's it's not like it.

1:45:42 It's congruent to disclosure. It's parallel. It's going to help and it's going to run alongside it. Well, I've talked about the shift, the shift storm earlier, and I think I did right. We talked about the shift storm. Did we earlier on about getting the messages into the senators to disclose? I don't know, I know he mentioned it all right, let me, Oh, that's right, I said, I talk Okay, I got to talk about two things that we're going to finish up with this. I'm going to talk about the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance and the Shift The shift Storm, Okay.

1:46:16 The shift Storm is about is about disclosure, Okay, and it is I've launched this activist maneuver to service what we've been talking about and to get Senator Schumer, Warner and Rubio to do the right thing and call the hearings in January. And again, these are the good guys. They want disclosure, They're on our side, but they're the ones that are calling the shots on that. And so you can find the shift Storm, don't forget the f at Shiftstorm at dot org. That's where it is. It's also linked on my main website as well.

1:46:56 Yes, and what you find there is a simple activists plan. It's a complicated and it goes like this. Anybody in the world's on Twitter or can use email, we want them to join up and we want to send one hundred get one hundred thousand tagged Twitter messages into the Twitter notification box of all three of these fine gentlemen. That would be three hundred thousand messages. And it's extremely easy if you know Twitter all you do I and on the on the website shiftstorm dot org, I have shown these three gentlemen, and they're three handles.

1:47:46 They're seeing Twitter handles. Every member of Congress has a Twitter account except for a couple, and they have handles at Senator Schumer, at whatever, at Marco Rubio. And so what you do is you send a message with a tag, and so you go on Twitter. You're gonna put a tweet up and you go at Senator's humor, whatever the handle is. We really appreciate all the legislation that you've passed. Fantastic job. But now we need to have the hearings in the Senate Intel Committee. We need to have the witnesses testify.

1:48:21 They're ready to testify. That testimony is going to change the world. We must have it as soon as possible, in January, before the election whatever however you want to phrase it. A right one hundred thousand, and you go at and it goes right into the notification box. Every one of the members of Congress has a staffer that checks their Twitter notification box. They may not scan the feed because right are the ones that post on their feed, and so they sort of but they need to scan that because that is how they learn what people out in the world are saying about their boss.

1:48:57 Right, And so as soon as they see thousands of messages pouring in about we want hearings, we want hearings in January, they're going to call the boss or the chief staff and say, you need to check this. Even if they're home, I mean they're about to go home. So for the last two weeks of December they're going to be back home. That don't matter. You know, the staff was still in Marshington and they're seeing all these messages coming. They're going to call them up at home and say, look, you need to check this out.

1:49:21 And so they'll open up Twitter, they'll go to the notifications and you'll see the streaming list of messages saying we want hearings in January. Absolutely okay. Now the other thing, that's why it's not just a tweet storm. That is actually a tweet storm, but it's a tweet plus storm. I've posted the email forms for them as well. You can't you know, the members of Congress do not give out email addresses anymore. I don't know if anybody does, but they have forms. So you fill out the form and you say your message, you put on an email whatever, and you click it and it goes It goes in as an email to their staff, and there's a staff that checks that.

1:50:01 And so I'm asking one hundred thousand emails into the email box of the all three of these senators by the end of the year. One hundred thousand, okay, And I really want to add to that, like to everyone listening, please don't just say to yourself, I, oh, I'm gonna do this. I'll do it tomorrow. No, right after the show ends, go to his website which is linked. Yes, yes, and get it done. Just get it done. And look, it's okay to send multiple messages. Just do not send the same message over and over again to the same member.

1:50:43 You can send the same message to each In other words, you could come up with five different messages and you could send each of those five to each of those members. But don't send the same message to the same vendor, that is some member that's called boilerplate. You don't want that. So so you could you can send a lot of messages. They don't know they are. Another difference and same thing with emails, okay. So this is the fundamental plan. It's that simple, right, and you can do that. Now. I'm not suggesting people storm them with phone calls.

1:51:18 No, no, no, don't do that. If a couple of people are you know, if you if you want to make a phone call, do it, but don't don't don't make many, and don't encourage others. I mean, the odd phone call is okay, but if you if you bury them in phone calls, it really irritates them. It interrupts their business and it's not constructive. And we don't need to do it emails in tagged tweets, perfect right, all right, and so that is the tweets them. Now there's one other thing, and this is not part of the shift storm, but I also posted on that site the con tacked information, including a phone because I don't post the phone numbers somebody wants to, I have to go find the senator's website.

1:52:08 But three heroes that that I think are the chief heroes in the House side of this, which is a Congressman Burchett congressman and a Paulina Luna and Commons and uh Nancy Mays. And I'm suggesting don't don't storm them, but if you feel like it, send them a nice thank you, send them an appreciation tag, a Twitter appreciation to them tag, a nice send a nice email saying we really appreciate what you're doing in the house, thank you for that hearing, and so forth. Uh and and just give them some praise, give us some love your mind that they're on the right path.

1:52:46 But don't bury him. I mean, there are you know, don't don't. You don't need to. They can't make the decision. They're not the ones that can make the decision about the Senate hearing. Burchett says he's going to have another hearing, good blade bless him. He probably will. But that hearing is not not what's going to trigger disclosure. It's got to be the Senate Intel Committee. And so don't you just just send them a few If a few of you sent thank you, they will be very appreciative. Plus, I'm publicizing that they're the heroes.

1:53:13 Now there are other heroes, but these are the the six. Well, we put it this way. Every member of the Senate Intel Committee is definitely a hero. But because they've all signed on letters about this that they sent out, I think to the White House and arrow so they're definitely heroes. And then the White the House started emerging with some people doing some good things like Andrey Carson and Gldiego and so forth, but not quite like this group. They they they seize the Grush situation, set up a hearing, and got him in in twelve days after passed.

1:53:48 Yeah, I was gonna say like it was it was pretty quick. How from when Grush came out to the to the hearing. I mean, it was rather a quick situation. And I was pretty impressed with burshett A, birch Att, Luna Gates, all of them for the ability. Uh, and it was like we were finally on that role. Like it seemed like Congress and and the people who are we who have been vocal about this, we were finally like hand in hand. And it seems like I guess, I guess with the Schumer amendment, uh Schumer Rounds amendment, because we we can't forget Mike, I guess it feels just like a body blow to the UFO community.

1:54:36 It just feels like, you know, that relationship kind of got it a little pushback, and uh, I think we we expected it, well, you we we what do we think that they were going to turn all this over. You guys finally wanted all right, here you go. You're gonna go, and you expect that you're not gonna get resistance at the goal line. I mean, come on right. So, and by the way, let me point out that Burchette was the first member of Congress to ever say, matter of fact, that there's an ET presence here. But the hearing that he put together with Comer and Gates and Mona and Mace all that, that was the first hearing since nineteen sixty eight and fifty five years.

1:55:16 The other things that happened on the Hill were not hearings. They were briefings. Briefings, okay, nobody took an oath. These are reports, not the same thing. This was the first hearing in fifty five years. So Burchette made history twice twice, okay. And so we have support in the House. It's not enough to have changed the bill. And that's not surprising, Okay, I mean to keep the bill intact. Not But the point is is that I assure you there are plenty of people ready to line up behind these three people, Burchett and the others.

1:55:56 There are plenty of people read when it's safer, okay, And so when disclosure takes place, you're gonna have a whole bunch of people in the in the House of Representative coming forward and saying, oh, yeah, we're on board with this, and we're gonna work with this, and we're gonna deal with this and this is important. And what does that mean. It means that if the UAP Disclosure Act as originally written is submit resubmitted as a standalone bill after disclosure, I think it passes right through the House, with the possibility of eminent domain being removed, but I don't I don't think that'll happen.

1:56:40 I think they might modify it a little bit so not be too harsh, but I think it pretty much passes intact. Who is going to vote against it in the post disclosure world where the entire world news a tts here and you're trying to have a bild that gets everything out and they gay, well, no, no, so but not totally getting out. So I think it passes. And that could be a week later, and so we're not really losing much ground because this bill was stalled this time, uh, and because the hearings couldn't happen until January anyway, and so the hearings happen.

1:57:13 Biden confirms within a week they could reintroduce that bill and probably get it pasted, in which case we're fine, it's not really going to slow down the disclosure practice on track. Yeah, okay, So so all right, so we're coming out of this with a somewhat positive outlook. Such the the essence of the bill is there. It sets a precedence in in history. This year twenty twenty three has been quite the ride, uh you know, with with guys like you know, Congressman Burchett and uh Anna Paula Alina, uh Anna Paula.

1:57:56 Yeah, right, yeah, in all of Congress. I'm just saying that, Okay, nobody, nobody should even attempt to outcool that name. It's it's the best. Absolutely. Well, there is one person, and that's AOC. But I mean, like this year, we literally got a hearing where there was AOC and Matt Gates and then David Grush telling them all about non human intelligence and they were agreeing, well, they were off to the left. I mean, they were way off to the left. They did ask some intelligent questions, but they they're not cheerleading it.

1:58:32 They're they're they have no, they're not, they're not. One of the things about the progressives and the left in politics and in Congress is they they they're people with passion for issues. Uh and and they want to help and they're they good people, Okay, correct, And so there's all these things that they want to they want to help with, they want to change this, they want to want to reform. God bless them. I think that's great, But the ET issue is so tainted, and it is been tainted for a long time.

1:59:00 The truth in Bargo ensured that that some of the more progressive politicians they see the ET issue, if they touch it, as as harming their ability to do good elsewhere. Right, I got good stuff I'm doing trying to help people. This going to cost me a problem. And they have been much more reluctant to engage this issue than the Republicans. Steven Schiff was a Republican, Okay, Tucker Carlson Republican, May spent all Republicans, And there's a few others. Some action on the left on the left, but not much.

1:59:45 And it's not I'm not and I'm saying the reason is not because they're stupid, not because they're you know, stuff bringing skeptics, but because of the nature of how they they think in their world view. They they they want to reform, they want they have issues that they take to their heart and and and and the et issue for them threatens their ability to do that work. I respect that they'll come around. I mean, there's no question they'll come around. But one of the one of the one of the things that the movement and the people in this field have done is to try to show why it's in the best interest of the human race to get this done, which plays into their like the energy is I assure you, the progressive left would love to see fossil few cheap energy.

2:00:39 Believe me, Okay, yeah right. Really, at the point that they realize, oh my god, disclosure could lead to that, they'll be on board. I'm not worried about that. The right we have got, we have got the conservatives. Yeah. So uh And so again, are we near the finish line? Hell? Yeah, right, But the world is place, and so if I'm that father, and I and I'm determined to see that my son makes it through that finish line, I have to protect him in that sense from something happening stepping in a pothole, being tackled by a lunatic, right and get him across the line.

2:01:19 Well, that's what the activists and the other people are trying to do. We're trying to get this done. We're trying to prevent it. But I unlike that, Dad, I can't I can't stop China invading Taiwan. I can't stop somebody using a nuke in your crank. We don't have that ability. All you do have the ability to get it done before that happens, get it done and get in the post disclosure world that we can do. Still have plent I still think we have time. I mean, I'm not saying that a nuke event's going to happen in the next twenty days.

2:01:48 Generally, that's you know, Christmas time is when you put aside your desires to use nukes. You know, you know what I mean? Yeah right, yeah, But then starting anuarry as we head into this back on Baby test political year, everybody's up tight, everybody's angry, everyone's pissed, uh because that Christmas bill comes due, Yeah, you know, the credit card bills. No, I'm just saying that, like it can't happen too soon after the first of the year. We got to get it done. Okay, Tyler has been great. Uh yeah, you've been absolutely amazing.

2:02:26 And I think, uh, like I said, we everyone Uh, after you hear these words and uh they're all linked in the blow linked below in the description. After you, after we wrap this conversation up, go over, tag the the congressman, send the emails over. Uh, play your part and let's help get this uh, get this reintroduced and re you know, show show your your representative from your state that you want this bill. No no, no, no, no no no no no no, not not Tyler, no no no. We're not asking to go to their representatives, right well, I mean do tho, but you go to your don't want that, no, no, no no.

2:03:04 We want to focus. We got to focus, right. We want people to use their time specifically to target just Senator sch Schumer, Senator Warner, Senator Rubio, the three men, as it happens, men who have the power to call that hearing. So the rest of Congress, let's just leave them alone for right now. We just need the hearing. So let's focus at all on those and it's all, it's all there, So go to shift Storm, don't forget theF dot org. It's all there. Do your thing. Let's go viral if you And by the way, and I'm not on TikTok, I probably should be, but I don't know.

2:03:41 I just don't feel like a TikTok person. But I may have to rethink that. If any of you happen to know a TikTok influencer personally, you know, one of those nice teenagers that has like twelve million followers, send them the link to shift storm and say that. Wouldn't it be cool if you mentioned this because we in an age now where a twelve fifteen year old TikTok influencer can change the world. Is that? And I say, I'm just living in that world, you know. Isn't that crazy? But yeah, it's true. So no, absolutely absolutely, And I think actually I think I think there is a couple of people that I might send this too, So actually I will.

2:04:21 But like you said, well, Tyler, we have one more thing. Very quickly, I forgot about the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance. We did very quick. Here it is. It's formed in November one website Hollywood Disclosure Alliance dot org. The whole purpose of this nonprofit five O one C three is to make it easier and easier and easier. This is a post disclosure project. It's not about disclosure, post disclosure for the film industry, entertainment industry professionals to come forward and acknowledge, hey, I like this, I'm on board, And then the UAP E T people are on board.

2:04:59 They're all part of the founding member structure so that they can see each other and connect and make deals. HDA is not in those deals. It's not making money. It's going to raise money through donations. But we're going to make it easier for these two worlds to come together to make the content of the post disclosure world and make money, right, because without money, you can't do stuff, and so by by helping the entertainment professionals identify and openly acknowledge, hey, I'm down with this.

2:05:30 Whether they be directors, writers, producers, production people, actors, it doesn't matter. Right. We have all of that and soon we'll have a lot more. That's what the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance dot org is doing. The website's still in development, but it's it's underway, and we're particularly looking for people because we need balance here. I've got UAP people lined up. We particularly need people who have time in grade in the entertainment industry. Clearly you know they're a professional, they've been doing this.

2:06:04 Who would like to be a founding member cost nothing. We need more of the film industry, entertainment industry founding members so I can bring in more UAP members. We've got twenty five right now. I need to get it to at least fifty hopefully. So if you were you know somebody that you think I think, smill tell them. If you already fit the bill, get in touch with me. The contact information is on all my websites, and we'll talk about getting you in as a founding member. That's it. That's that's how I would discover it.

2:06:35 Now you can go, you can go now, No, no, no, I'll sit here with you for hours. Man. You know your dog needs to take a walk. Your dog has been wanting a walk for some time. It's time to gi Yeah yeah, yeah, but let's I do want to say that I think what you're doing with Hollywood Disclosure Alliance it's very it's piqued my interest and it's something that I think I find so it would be something I'm very passionate about or would be very passionate about. So I'd love to talk with you. You can be a founding member, absolutely love to be.

2:07:10 I'm not sure, you know, some people are a lot of man, some people are in both camps, right In other words, they've done professional content creation, but they're also in the et issue yep. But usually you can kind of tell which one to pick, right, Like, for instance, Steve Spielberg has made a lot of movies about that's you know and everything, but he's not He's going to be in the film industry side, right right, So some people actually could make a choice. But anyway, I'm gonna let you go. Thanks so much until next time, my friend, and we'll talk.

2:07:45 Yeah, and we'll talk. And everyone get out there, do your part and have a happy holiday season. Steve, thank you and to your family and to everything that you've done this twenty six mile race. You are almost at the end, my friend. It happens, yes, all right. Bye,