#96 Will Niles: Listener Experience 3- "I was Frozen, Shocked, Looking right in the Eyes of An Alien"

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4:23 So we're joined today by William William Niles and uh, he has a story that he wants to share with the world, and we're gonna give him the platform to hopefully start that journey and you know we have friends like Tim Bershett in Congress Representative Luna, and you know we're gonna try to help him. He's already been involved with the I Believe the Disclosure Project two point zero, but wasn't one of the ones that was front facing that day. So we're gonna get you know, let him explain all that, but don't forget.

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5:26 He's out on a limb, mister William Niles. How's it going. How's it going, my friend? And not to put the you know, spotlight on you too much, but introduce us to who you are first off, and why why why do you want to come tell this story today? Well, my name is William Joseph Niles. I'm from a large military family, and after September eleventh, I enlisted in the military. When in recruiting office on September twelfth, I was supposed to go in on the eleventh. The morning of the eleventh and I was on the phone with my recruiter as the second plane hit the second tower.

6:08 No way, I told him as soon as it happened, because they weren't watching in the recruiting office at that moment, and he said, I'll call you back in a little bit later. He called me back and he said, can you come in tomorrow? Where as you can tell, things just got a lot crazier. And I said, sure thing. So first thing in the morning, at eight o'clock, showed up to the recruiting office and that started my journey. Twenty two years later. My twenty second anniversary of me shipping was a few days ago.

6:45 My son's birthday was two days afterwards. Well, here on total disclosure, we've interviewed so many military personnel, and I say it to everybody, I do want to thank you for your service to this country, to its core values, and to our freedom right because that that you know, whether I agree with military policy, what we're doing with said military Just the fact that we can speak about that openly is is you know a lot of places don't have that that luxury and we and we tend to forget that. So thank you, But but but so what why did you want to come here and tell the story today?

7:30 Because we we obviously talk about UFOs on this channel, on this podcast, Uh, we talk about the larger questions in life, right, we talk about are we alone? What happens after we die? These these looming questions that we all have as human beings. And why did you want to come here and tell tell your story that intertwines with all of those topics. Well, the night that Major David did his show with Rosco Thought, I was on your podcast with you immediately afterwards, and I told you my story. That was the first time anybody had heard it.

8:08 And the first thing that happened was somebody messaged me and he said, people are watching. Just so you know, people in the government are watching. Yes they are. I haven't heard anything about it since, but all I just I just never shut up about it. Just anytime I'm in a space on Twitter, which is the only place I really got it right, and I think you've told it bit by bit, maybe not, maybe not in a sequential form. So what we're going to be aiming to do here today is to do that, to lay it out in a fundamental,

8:48 structured, and start to finish kind of way. So let's speak in with your childhood before you joined the Marine Corps, did you have a fascination for the cosmos? Well, I grew up watching Star Trek. My grandfather was a Star Trek fan. I was raised by my grandparents, and my grandfather had always he held up Star Trek as a perfect example of the way society should run. And a lot of that stemmed from his brother, who I share a name with. Middle name is different, but I share the same name as him. And he said, your uncle Will he was in World War two, Korean Vietnam, and he did some crazy stuff and he told me some stuff and I didn't really think about it, didn't really dwell on it at all.

9:44 And growing up in the nineties, the was our report had come out with all that everybody saw the Giant breaks TV special Alien Autopsy, but other than that, you really never heard anything. And then the Phoenix Light, this thing happened. That was the only thing that was huge. Yeah, that was huge. And I was talking with my dad about stuff, and he even though he said, there's a lot of strange stuff that nobody wants to talk about because you're going to sound like you're crazy, and he goes, I'm not going to admit to seeing anything, but I've seen some stuff that I can't explain.

10:23 And if you end up in the military, you'll probably you may or may not see the same thing. But I ended up seeing something right out the gate before I even got to put got to swear in that picture that I sent you was a few was actually about a half hour forty five minutes after I had been in that ski, in that skiff, and I'd seen what I had seen. Hmm. So before we get to the skiff, before we get to that. So you joined the military, right, You have this upbringing where let's just say, the idea of UFO's being real was something in your household that may have been looming, right, something you guys all just like knew nobody anything about it, but everyone was like, they're real.

11:16 Right, Like, I hang on to your faith as long as you can, because it'll get rocked and I grew up in eighty pastor's house. My grandfather had been a minister. He was a missionary. That's how he ended up on the Anaduga Indian reservation. When my dad was a kid. He used to travel around like the Partridge family, performing at churches when my dad and his brother and sister were growing up. Oh, that's really here in Nedro, And I ended up coming back here years later, right down the road from where I grew up.

11:50 The house is no longer there, burned down in twenty sixteen, but our family moved out in early two thousand and one. So it was it was a piece of history houses in the valley here. You could see it from the old construction photos from the church up the road when that was being built, and Nedro was just one long valley with scattered farmhouses. So with Apron growing up in a house within a household of a pastor, what what was your relationship with religion? It was intimate, Like I lived in a church basically from when I was five till when I was ten.

12:41 The church that was up the road. My grandfather had been an elder there and he was restoring the place. And I think they spent a good seven years restoring that church in the early nineties. So it was a lot of my childhood. And I got to read almost every book in that pastor's office if it was in English, right right, You will recall learning some either Arabic or some some Jewish language or whatever, some Hebrew. Yeah, I can't remember, it's been so long. That's so I find that interesting because it's often it's often our our our journeys, right, they're they're set for us, not in not in a way that we don't have free will, or at least in my opinion, but in a way that yet you had to experience everything that you've experienced to be the person that you are right now, right right.

13:49 If if life is but a set of attempts at living, being alive, right, then then it's the building blocks are memories, lessons learned, and teachings passed on. So you come from that religious home, you go into the military, and this is where you learn a lot of stuff about a lot of stuff. So let's start getting into that. And then, because that leads us back into your childhood, you said, so lead me however you want down this path. Tell me your story bring me back to the day that it all started, all right, going back to when I was little, when I was roughly three, I vaguely recall being in a vehicle going down to Tundle, seeing these lights flash over my head as we were heading down, and I might have been in and out of consciousiness, sleeping, napping or whatever.

15:02 And I'm sitting down on a bench. I've got it's probably eighty four eighty five, so I think I have a he Man figure in my hand. I think maybe a he Man and a battlecat, because that's what was around back With that, this person came over to me. He knelt down and started talking with me, and I noticed immediately that his head wasn't shaped right. He looked kind of off, like an upside down pyramid. Light not sharp edges, but a really weird shaped head, like a silvery bluish skin. Talk kind of soft.

15:50 And one of the things I had said was your face looks like a triangle looking straight at it, and it was like light blue, bluish silvery skin with like reddish hair, not a like a super protruding nose, I guess, like like an average but really sharp features here kind of angular, I guess

16:18 he made a point to notice the point out that I noticed that his face was a triangle. He's like, oh, you know your shapes. Because I'm a little kid, I kind of got excited that this weird person is talking to me, and I asked him, I go, are you a master of the universe? Because that's the language that I know? Be on the head and stands up and he walks away, and the whole conversation, I guess lasted two or three minutes. But he resembles the picture that doctor Griers showed Logan Paul on his podcast a couple of years ago.

17:00 And when I saw that, I dropped my phone and I screamed, like a little girl, like, you have got to be kidding me. I have not seen that individual since I was three, and he looks exactly like what I remember. It's a a not exactly a clear picture, but you can definitely see triangular features, pyramid shapes. The colors seem to match right, The billowy clothing seemed out right, seemed to match right. I believe he was wearing boots at the time. I can't recall the color, but he looked exactly like he appeared in that picture.

17:38 Roughly. I'm trying to find it. Right now, I think I got it. I want to show everybody. Anybody's listening, unfortunately will not be able to see it. But this is the picture that I believe you're talking about. This has been enhanced, it looks like, but yeah, it's this. Something's been done to this picture. This isn't the yeah, exact, the color enhanced it. And the weird way the lights are around those two pictures is like some kind of like distortion or something like that. Yeah, I'm gonna I'll try to find it where all the trees and this stuff are the tops and it's it was out of Joshua tree apparently.

18:29 Yeah, during a CE five event. It's like, how do I don't know why there's not more images of it on the only one that had popped up that he had showed. I guess. Yeah, but I do know the picture you're talking about, and I think most people listening, if they are into this subject, they'll know exactly what you're talking about as well. Oh shit, maybe I think I just found it. I think I think is this the one? No, that is the other one? All right, okay, so yeah, I don't I don't know, right one up for the first time.

19:21 Send it to me, Send it to me after we do this and after we finish, I'll put it in. Okay, Yeah, you had the picture up the first time, all right, beautiful. So so you dropped, you dropped your coffee. It was like, because you know, I've heard that so many times, like when people like back in the day, like when I talk to older experiencers, they tend to say, like the first time they saw Communion written by Whitley Streeber, it had the Remember it had the classic gray alien on the cover. When people saw that, they like a lot of people say they dropped their cup, they dropped their coffee.

20:05 They their jaw dropped right like. It's like because it's like confirmation. It's like, oh my god, there it is. Yeah. It made me wonder who showed up behind me in that skiff that day because I wanted to turn I had. I thought I had thought every muscle in my body did not turn around, because if I had, everything would have changed. Yeah, we haven't. We haven't got we haven't got there yet. So we haven't got there yet. I want because that because that plays that that for me, I want to really dive into that's that the the the skiff.

20:41 But okay, well, I didn't even remember where we were in the grand scheme of things. So you saw, oh, that's right, that you saw doctor Greer's

20:55 I forget which the logan po th I saw James fox on Rogan. Okay, there was this year good all right. So so like everything before April, I didn't even see it. I saw Bob Blazar that everybody knows his story like that's it was that cemented in history. I remembered it in the there's one point in my story where I confirm what Bob Blazar had said and seen because I saw the exact same thing, right, right, And that's why I find your your story fascinating, and that's why I wanted to be to be told sequentially.

21:38 So you see, if you you entered the military, right, you're this young kid, you're this young twenty two year old the nineteen country. Yeah, okay, you're nineteen years okay, Oh it was twenty two years nineteen and two thousand and yeah, two thousand and one. So the country's about to be at war, yep, and I just I'm about to have a kid, and you're about to have a kid. You listen and in the army, mm hmm, what happens after that? So so you you know, you take your as viabs, what you go to basic training?

22:20 You could skip over those parts, but after basic training? What happens after basic training? I went home because I got hurt. I saw the skiff. I saw the alien and the skiff on my way in Okay, So start there. Then I'm sorry I had back. I'm at Maps my shipping day. My wife's water broke the night before, right after I left for the hotel to go to Maps. So comes by my house to pick me up. Not an hour later, her water breaks and I don't find out for a couple hours. So I'm at the hotel. She's trying to call to get a hold of me.

23:01 She tells me I can't leave the hotel. I'm locked down there for security reasons. Yes, So me and the other two guys we order some pizza. We kind of celebrate the fact I just got married a few days earlier, and we do sort of do our thing. And the next morning we show up to the federal building. My recruiter. We had to hop in a van, go down, go through the elevator, go up the maps, do the same thing we did the first time, but this time I had to go and sit and wait to go get the security clean. So I had to wait all day for everybody else to finish their stuff.

23:44 And then somebody said, someone's gonna come out get you and escort you in. Follow their orders, do exactly what they say, and then we'll be back to meet you when you're all done, okay. So I sit and they wait, and somebody comes out to get me. I recognize him. He was one of the guys that was there approxiing the ASVAB and then he was there to escort me in and now and he said, now you're gonna see classified material. Keep drives forward, walk straight behind me, and just don't pay attention to anything else.

24:19 Just follow me to where we're going. So he marches me around. We're going pretty fast. He's trying to get my heart rate up to get ian for the polygraph, and we're on the final scratch, heading down the last halt to get to the interview room. And on the right hand side, somebody catches my eyes through an open door and I stop, I stepped back, I turned right, I faced the door, and not six feet in front of me is a non human visitor. Light gray dolphins get colored skin, small black eyes initially, and then they got bit like really big like Spider Man eyes, and so upon.

25:08 It is this happening. As you make eye contact, the eye gets bigger. Yep, the eyes get bigger. And he's walking towards me. His mouth sort of opens and I could see his jagged little teeth, no ear lobes, no hair, He's got two little nostrils, a little mouth, but he had open enough to where I could see. He looked to me in as much much shocked as I was, because he probably wasn't expecting to see me. And there were two young kids about fourteen or fifteen years old right next to the door of this young Asian kid and a pale white Ginger kid who just the look on his face was like, what did I just sign up for?

25:54 Because the look on his look, the look on his face when he saw me, he was like, oh gosh, here we go, here's an another one that's coming in. The look on his face was like he wasn't expecting that to happen that day, the same with me. So I think most people are going to be asking why how is it that so you haven't been sworn in or gone to basic yet, how is it that you're you're being So are they bringing it into a special access program? From the jump? It was for security clinic screening. That's what I was told.

26:36 That's what you're told. Yeah, okay, they didn't tell me this when I picked my job. Okay, there there was. They said there there's some secret stuff I couldn't talk about with that, But what I experienced with them had nothing to do with that at all. So you're just passing down a hallway and there's this thing. Yeah, there's a reason why they said, don't don't turn your head, just look straight. Okay, you point out why was that door open? Because if they knew that I was going to be coming through there, why even risk that there was no window on that door.

27:11 If that door was shut, I would have never known about it. Right, So do you think now I want to stop here because I think do you think that the let let's let's say for and I'm not saying that you're telling the truth that you're again, I'm not I'm not going one way or the other. Let's say for all intensive purposes that yes, absolutely happened. Do you think that that could be linked to crash retrieval programs? And maybe like engineering, they could have program right, there were young they looked like young am my t kids, like like a couple of young little Sheldons, right, right, and that so many smart kids like that when I was a kid, right, Just memories were like skill traps.

28:02 I guys that can memorize the entire Bible, right, you could just verse page whatever. They can tell you every printing version by memory. Right. And there's we know that the CIA and and other three letter agencies have recruited groomed if you will, you know, people to be operatives and to be in intelligence. And this starts from uh, sometimes a very young age. So I don't find those elements to be to to be out there. It's just that this thing in the room while you're going down the hallway. Yeah that So of course when you say that, people are gonna be like wait, why right, So I just want them to know what kind of environment you're in.

28:59 So you were headed to Getty security clearance yep, all right, so continue. So the one that was at the front of the room, I paid the most attention to the two young kids. I paid attention to what they looked like. I can draw them again. That's the only way that I can properly show anybody what they looked like. I didn't notice a couple other non humans in that room, at least three or four. Didn't get a good look at any of them. But I did notice that there were gray oval heads, at least three or four more in the room.

29:41 They were all off to the right, and there was one on the far side of the room, probably fifteen feet away. I guess interesting, okay, And for did I mean the person that was walking you? Yeah? Did did did he turn around and say, you know, hey, yeah, you know, let's go. Yeah. He actually tapped me on my shoulder. Because I was locked into what I was looking at, I tapped me on my shoulder, and I'm just like, he goes, I told you not to look. I said, I don't know what happened. I just stopped, and he had the look on his face.

30:22 He looked so nervous, like he was gonna get hurt or something, right, but he just he kept walking me down. They sat me down, and the first thing they did as soon as they plugged me in. They were like, oh wow, your heart rate is going crazy. So I do this and I go, I look up, right up the guy that's right in front of me, this tall, tall, white guy, about six or four. He looked like a linebacker. He looked like je Novochak, blond haired, blue eyed, just big brooding man. Yeah, and button up with a tie and short.

31:02 Was he the one? Was he administering the polygraphs or was he? Guy? Yeah? Okay, he h. I'm talking with him, and I go, I know, I didn't just see what I just saw down the hall, but I know what I just saw down the hall. And you're not going to explain it away. Swamp gass bouncing off of Venus, all right, and they all chuckle. They thought that was hilarious. And I said, I'd love I'm volunteering right now to work with him. And they said, penning the outcome of my security clearance screening, I would love to be part of this program.

31:41 And I'm looking up at this guy. He looks at somebody behind me, and I go to turn and look because I can feel them, and they go no, no, no, no no, like a bunch of them all just kind of got close to me, They're like, you can't see who's behind you. That would be very bad right now. And I go, how bad? You go? Very bad? JFK bad? And they looked at me. They go, take a wild guess who killed JFK? And I said George Bush Sr. And they all go the reaction. Two of them went running from and then came back in.

32:23 They were just hands covering their faces, holding back their laughter. Laughter. They thought that was the most hysterical thing they had heard at that point. Okay, the guy that had escorted me, there's a striking resemblance to that guy from the office, you know, the guy that Stephen Roote plays. They took my stapler. They made a joke, oh yes, out as he was leaving the room, they sent him to go deal with something. I'm assuming my buddies that were down the hall that I saw and somebody had did that.

32:59 They took state where line about it. And if anybody hears this story, if they're in that room that day, they're gonna know this story. They're not gonna forget it. So if anybody has any wants to know for sure, they gotta get their reaction from anybody who is in that room that day, and they're not far away. I live right down the road from that federal building. If any of them are still in that building, they're more than likely gonna see this episode and they'll know that story interesting because you know so so okay, So you

33:50 juke around with the polygrapher, I assume you. I assume you eventually get polygraphed. Yep, yep, mam. They hooked me up the moment I got in that room. They're monitoring thing. I don't know if you're aware of this, but the thing that they said you want can measure whether or not you're you're rearing puckers or not. That's not a myth that actually they said, don't move once you're sitting in that thing because it'll throw all of the monitors off a full diagnosis. Yeah, do you ever think that? So I wrote this down, do you ever, because this has been asked if Bob Bazaar, do you do you?

34:31 Do you ever think that what you saw was part of a mental test? No? The mental test as bad. Well, you know I'm saying. You understand what I mean though, like a test to see what you would do right, And I don't think I disappointed because the other thing I said was when they asked me whether or not I would turn against our government, and I said, I will die defending my country. I was born here, I was born on an army base in fact, and any enemy on this on this planet is an enemy to me. All right.

35:16 If they're hurting us, if they're hurting our people, then okay, they're they're the enemy. However, based on what I saw, if I told them this to their faces, I said, based on what I just saw it down the hall, if their buddies show up and they're mad because you're hurting them or anything, I'm on their side, not yours. Interesting, And I said that to their faces. This is after I even volunteered to work with them. I said, listen, if there's some messed upness going on with these guys and their people come down and wondering what's up, I'm on their side.

35:56 So right from the jump, you I mean, you know, oh yeah, that they're that they're they're not human. Uh huh yeah. Did you want to know you dealt with the ontological shock mm hmm. At nineteen felt ready to have a kid, but to go through this stress again and screamed at by absolute strangers

36:22 for money that barely any money. Yeah, yeah, and knowing I was going off to war like okay, I swore, and knowing that we weren't alone in the universe, and in fact that included the alien part. And I think maybe one or two people around me had heard it, because I got some books say that again, because I defend from all and from all enemies foreign and domestic, and from outer space and from in the galaxy or something like that. I think that it was something I had to think of, something slick, the kind of blended.

37:03 I think maybe one person to the right of me might have heard something off and they looked at me weird,

37:10 So you you, okay, I like that. But there's a lot of people in that room I had never seen before. And I didn't ship with either of the guys that I had stayed at the hotel with. One of them couldn't ship that day and the other one wasn't shipping until like two months later or something like that, Like he wasn't shipped until January. Okay, all right, So what happens after you pledge allegiance to this group? Right? You? You say, I want in wherein yep, you swear in all that what happens since you're god, Yep.

37:55 Basically that's it what this gift did the thing, and that was it sworn. Got one last kiss from the wife before I left, and that was gone on it for several hours. Popped a couple of airports and I was at Fort Hill one o'clock in the morning getting screened. A. Yeah, okay, so then you go through basic training and you get it, you get hurt. Yeah, a couple months in. I got hurt just after I came back for Christmas because we got to come home and got back in in January, and uh, I believe the middle of January, I dislocated my shoulder.

38:50 I slipped. Somebody was behind me, he took me down with him. I fell on my arm weird and it. I couldn't really do any push ups for like two weeks. I kind of hit it because I favored my left my right arm over my left, and then it was just I was almost out of it. I was getting a little bit better, and then somebody had said something to one of the drill start instance and said, you gotta watch him do push ups his shoulders not looking all that great, and they got me doing push ups in front of him and they were all watching me like a hawk, and they could see my shoulder moving weird, and they to me off to go see the docks.

39:33 And they said, well, you're gonna have to get pulled from training. We get recycled, do you know, recover or whatever. And I was just not prepared for that. It wasn't in the plan for me. And I called the wife. I I was like, listen, I just I messed my shoulder up. They're trying to recycle me. Should I come home or what? Because I got a choice here. And she said, I don't know if I can do this by myself. You it's okay with me if you come home, we'll figure it out. So I went, talked to the senior, signed the paperwork and how I went, and how could you leave?

40:17 Knowing? How could you leave? There's nothing I could do about it is I had that knowledge, and they I they had enough time to come grab me and be like, listen, don't go anywhere. We'll just real reokay to reclash you like they did, like I later found out, like they did with Lance Corporal Went who who had also become a fourteenth Sierra after he had gotten reclassed.

40:49 I what you just said sounds like gibberish to me. Yeah, would you mind explaining was a fourteenth Sierra? Doctor leave? Doctor Stephen Greer interviewed him and he was the guy that was talking about the alien ship in Peru. Now I didn't hear this interview till years later. I'm talking this past summer I sought for the first time, and I was blown away the fact that he was a fourteen Sierra completely. I was so this silly sounding marine with a Southern accent. He's basically the other half of my story.

41:29 He's my prequel. And the fact that that's what I could have ended up seeing. If I had stayed and possibly dealt with guys like that downward he saw them, I probably wouldn't have ended up coming home. Well, here's the thing. From what it sounds like, it sounds like you were being trained to be one of the people on the other side, the other side of the ship in Peru, the ones guarding it in all black, no insignia. Yeah, that sounds about right. That sounds like what you are being groomed to do. Honestly, you know, if I, if I was to guess why they would if there's a shadow of doubt, you know,

42:22 in my mind about what you're saying, you know, I would probably bet that what you were being brought into was you were not going to exist right in the in the terms of not like the men in black, you know, but you probably would have went away off the books kind of thing and and and been involved in and who knows what. So do you think your moral compass had any effect in your decision? You know what I thought I didn't think about Like I initially was like, you know what, Hell's usually pretty spot on when she's got a bad feeling about something, So I'm just gonna for this one time, I'm gonna follow her lead and do what she asks.

43:20 Is probably the only time in the last twenty two years that we were together that I actually listened to what my wife said. For all the wives out there listening, pen in mind to that he listens all the time. But okay, all right, So now with your brief with your your you're very so your your brief encounter in the military or in the process of being being in the military that led you on a journey, and that is where most of us find ourselves. So I want to talk about how this changed you and how did that like when you actually sat down and started thinking about all this and kind of connecting all the dots.

44:14 What how was that experience? God? It was Looking back on it, I was like, I either avoided something really bad or I missed that out on the greatest thing to ever happened to me. And there's no way for me to know that coin ended up on its side and the disclosure thing that's gonna flip this coin over, and if that coin lands the right way and fortune finally bruh, fortune favors the bold, hopefully, hopefully me coming out will be that one little push that makes everything come out. Yeah. I think we aim we all, you know, we all want to to get to that that end destination, that final you know the I don't think it's in the cards personally that the president comes out and does that whole thing.

45:17 But I do see a future in which someone who is a really trusted elect elected official steps onto that podium or a representative of the White House. You know something. I don't think it would be the President himself, That's my opinion, but you know it is what it is. That's that's just my that's somebody to come out and say that everybody, we're not alone in the universe. It probably would have to be somebody like Morgan Freeman or somebody with a positive speaking voice, somebody her. What if the Pope about?

45:59 You know what, I don't even know who the Pope is anymore. What I believe it's Benedict. I think I believe it's Pope Francis. If I might be wrong, but and and he's he's done. He's opened the the faith up in a in a way that no pope has ever done, where he's even talked about, Uh, you know, if there are extraterrestrials, that they would baptize them, and if they were willing to be baptized, of course, but that they would invite them in as God's children like he's. The Vatican has their own observatory.

46:46 It's in California, you know, the Vatican. They're not I don't think. And with with with what David Grush said, right that, David Grush said the earliest known crash retrieval prom in nineteen thirty three involved Pope got the Pope and whoever the Pope was in nineteen thirty three, but that that was involved in the Mussolini regime crash. So I think we could draw a lot of dots that that you know that this phenomenon has been happening, and it has been going on for a very long time, and you know when when that hits you, because I know it changed me fundamentally, Like when I made all my realizations that you know, the statistically, the statistic odds of us being alone are closer to yes than they are to know it, it messed with me a little bit.

47:53 You've seen you allegedly have seen non human intelligence. What did that do to you? What it did? Was it it made me aware to the fact that, yes, we're not alone, all right. My personal belief that when you die, you go back and relive your life over again until you get it right. I've always felt that since God and George Knapp and Jeremy Corble had actually talked about that on the last podcast that they did with Rogan, and I had wrote George after that and I had said, listen, I was listening to you on Rogan, this is exactly this is exactly how I feel about it.

48:49 And I was explaining to him my entire story, and I'm not sure where he was on it where he said, you got busy dealing with something He hasn't gotten back to me by a project that he was checking to see if I could be a part of my story because I had actually, I've actually seen fourteen individuals that I'm aware of that are non human and at least one craft, and one individual was seen in that craft. I'm pretty sure there was more than one because that individual was not piloting that chip. Now let's talk about the craft.

49:25 Yes, let's talk let's talk about that, all right, the big craft. I had saw that late March early April of two thousand and five. It looked to be about one hundred and twenty five two hundred feet across one hundred fiftey. Pump the brakes. Yeah, bring me back to quote James Fox, Bring me back to that time. What are you doing? Why are you there? Are you? Do you smell anything? When do you start seeing it? At what altitude? Okay? Bring paint a picture for the audience, all right. I was living in this back house next to the Best Branch library.

50:13 My landlord's family lived in the house in front and she was my buddy mats and and we hung out all the time. And this time none of the other guys were around. I had just come downstairs from our apartment to go out to go smoke a cigarette. It was I noted the time was nine oh eight, and I didn't have a watch in my hand at the time. Uh. But there's just the time I noticed as I was going outside, and I go out, I hear this humming sound. Where's that humming sound come from? Because it doesn't It wasn't something I was used to hearing around there, And so is this?

51:00 Is this a low pitched electrical h like a like a low basy hum like like an amplifier of all the usually like that, like the the opening the Back of the Future with that gigantic uh speaker. It was that, And I can't. I turn around and go back towards the door, and I hear it a little bit more, but it's pitch black. I can see there's the the floodlight on that's just outside my the front door of the house. And I take my hat and I blocked the light and I move a little bit and I see an outline on what would be the left quarter panel, and I move a little bit closer sure, and my vision kind of clears up a little bit.

52:05 I can kind of ads and I see the disk and it's just hovering right over top of the trees, just a few feet over the top of these big pine trees. I've actually got a picture of that spot that I can send you later so you can put it in. And it's I'm sitting there looking at this thing. The very bottom metal is spinning counterclockwise. The they're these individual panels. They could tell that I can see it in them moving, and I'm kind of shifting around looking at this thing, keeping my hat up from messing my night vision up.

52:46 And all of a sudden, I see this window light up like orange. It's this long mirror about fifteen twenty feet long, look like this rounded the hallway, and this individual comes walking in from my perspective from left to the right, stops in the middle, looks down from their perspective, scans from right to left, gets to where I'm at, does a double take, stands up, steps back, puts their arms behind their back, turns calmly walks the direction that they were heading, takes a turn, and then the ship hisses.

53:33 The bottom of it glowed blue a little bit, it went up, it vanished. I went around the front of the house, couldn't see it. As I was coming back, I saw my land wady and she I asked her, like, did you hear see anything weird? She goes, no, you go should I have? And I said, nah, don't worry about it. I go around to the back of the house. She goes inside the downstairs apartment. I go around the back. I look up. I can't see anything. And then I looked over to my left towards the west valley wall, and hovering just over the heavily dense wooded area right to the south of Anna Dugga Hill, which I'll send a picture of for you, was the disk hovering just over top of the trees.

54:17 And then once more it went up. It tilted up belly first, and then there was a white crack sound and it vanished and left behind the purple fire trail miles long, and I tracked it going south and then it banked southwest. Top of it glinted silver, and I never saw it again. Yeah, you could see it going, Yeah, after it after it initially left my field of view, and I see it in the distance. It was I must have gotten lucky the fact that I kept my eye locker yeah, because most people say boom gone, yeah, but yours you were able to see it.

55:05 May I think it meant to go go forward and then just go Bank southwest, which from here makes sense because of the valley. We're down in the valley, so they've got to kind of probably go through some turns. But it went south Bank southwest, the top pointed silver. Never saw it again. A couple of years later, in July

55:34 of late July of two thousand and five, I had to go replace my social Security card because it was my wallet when I lost it, so I had to go get a new idea social Security card, reorder the birth certificate so I can get all my ideas stuff together for work. And I was coming out and I happened to see there's a security clearance guy that had escorted me into the skiff that day, and I pulled him aside. I was like, listen, boss, like I talked to you, I saw something

56:04 and it's related to what I saw down the hall that day. And he goes, all right. So I talked with him, tell him exactly what I just told you. He steps back and he goes, all right, I'll tell the team, and I go, I know you can't tell me what comes of this afterwards, but if you guys need to get a hold of me, you guys can get a hold of me easily. I'm still in town. And they go, see, you never saw him again, at least to where I was able to talk to him. I might have seen him through the corner of my eye having to go through that building through the years, but I haven't been there forever, right right, So wow, So you you said you you you could point mhm that to that building.

56:57 Yeah, that building where you saw what you saw, you could tell Congress exactly where it was. Yes, Actually I can probably show you where that room was because I looked out the window right before they closed the blind and I can see exactly which room it was in. Interesting because I think that's what they want, right is you know, and and I'd love to get your take on you know, what you think about what David Grushes is has ushered in and and you know the David Grush and the disclosure two point zero, they kind of like all happened at the same time.

57:33 So it was like very overwhelming for people. But the craft that you're describing kind of sounds like the same craft from the Peru. Yeah, it sounds that one was actually not as big the one that uh. Yeah. And by the way, I wanted to ask the one that went saw the one that the career taught about in Peru? Oh, that was it wasn't it? Wasn't it a disc? Yeah? It was a disc. I don't know what that looked like it had it had black panels like it was paneled. Yeah, the bottom was dark. The very middle had the dull silver panels.

58:22 And I couldn't see the top of it until I saw it in the distance and I saw a glint on it. I couldn't be sure if that was a light or what, but at the top of it glinted silverish. I guess would you say that? Would you say that it was being piloted by by Nhi or human being? It was piloted by Nhi. Uh. The the individual that I saw that it stopped and looked down at me wasn't human. And I think I might have made some kind of connection to it because I heard it say we've been seeing leave. What does that mean?

59:07 I think I might have had a telepathic connection to him, the same thing with when I was at the skiff. After the fact, I think they might have hurt a couple of those people that were in that skiff that day, the young kids, because I felt what I could only describe as dread and sorrow and somebody had gotten hurt. And I was sitting up in the cafeteria with my wife because we had some time in between getting me getting out of the skiff and getting doing the swearing in ceremony, where I was up there with her, and I felt weird, like I knew I had just seen the greatest thing I'd ever seen in person at that time, and I couldn't tell her directly.

1:00:03 I was gonna ask that, listen, we're about to go to war. I don't know know how long we're gonna be off doing this, but afterwards, I don't know how long. Afterwards, some crazy stuff's gonna go down and you'll know when you hear it, and I'll probably be the one to tell you when it's going on. And sure enough, once major Crush came out, I pulled it up with the Congress thing, when uh, when were they in? When did they back in July. Yeah, July was the hearing. I played back the meeting, the opening thing, and she was listening to this old guy talking and she was just she didn't quite understand it.

1:00:54 And then once the guys started talking, she was looking at me like, you were messing around on that day, were you like that's gonna be some sort of vindication. She's like, my father got the son in law that he wanted. Yeah, because he was really the UFOs and he had asked me on my way in after I actually asked him permission to marry his daughter, which is a testimony to how old school I was raised. Yeah, yeah, permission, and he said two things, take care of my daughter, my grandbabies, and let me know if aliens are real.

1:01:37 I made sure for Christmas the year before he died that he knew for certain we weren't alone in the universe, and more than likely

1:01:49 he was going to get to go and be with them afterward after he died. Is that your view? Yeah? Is that your view? Yeah? That once we achieve because you say, well, oh you understand, you get to move on. Yeah, that sounds about right to me, And it doesn't sound unreasonable. No, not at all. I think it actually makes a lot of sense, right that say, say, say the soul is a tangible thing, right, and our body is more or I like to say consciousness, whatever consciousness is, that's really what our spirit is.

1:02:32 So whatever consciousness really is, you know, is that is our body just a receiver and we're you know, the signals always there. But just because the radio is destroyed doesn't mean the signal is not coming through. Right. We're tuned into the signal properly, right, and we don't well, we don't have a radio. Must they had the right frequency and was on the right track, and some things were just out of my hands. If I would you, if I hadn't listened to my wife and just stayed it would have been a whole completely different story.

1:03:13 But yeah, I might not I might. I might not be talking to you right now, uh if you stayed in, because you could have potentially you know, became uh you know, so one of those people that are just their whole life's the mystery. And you know, uh, the divorce rate in these you know, in the CIA even is is tremendous. So I couldn't imagine one of these really black, you know, deep dark programs that you know you can't you can't tell anything anything about you can't tell anyone anything ever. Right, But what do you think about new legislation that's coming out that is going to be able to protect you the humor me And I think I didn't get a look at any of that stuff, but as I guess, as long as it protects us, like, if it's an illegal program, you can't legally prosecute anybody for it.

1:04:11 I mean, I haven't talked about anything you know, that's vital to the security of you know, the nation. I mean, less they actually want to. They would have to bring out a living, breathing alien in the craft in order to actually charge me with something legally. There's no other Yeah, I don't think that you could be charged at all, because for it, if I'm going to get thrown under the bus, you got to have proof. And the only way that they can prove it is if they actually bring it out, And if they bring it out, they're screwed, especially if they did anything really bad.

1:04:52 Yeah. Well, I mean, David Grush got the clearance to talk about non human biologics, so I think you're okay. And plus you were you know your situation is a little bit different, so I with with without that, I'm just saying, do you think this will allow for more people to like the people in that room that day? With you? Do you expect to start seeing more of those people come out? Oh? Them all, recognize them immediately. I'm great with faces. There's no way I could miss that one guy. He looked like a root from that movie.

1:05:31 Which is the thing I've I can't start. I can't every time I see that that thing pop up because ever I popped, I put that up on on Twitter or acts now and uh, this is what a nervous D O D guy looks like, and he looks it's an exact person that the h the joke was made out and a few I showed somebody and he was like, there's so many guys that look like that. But it's funny that you got another story that goes along with that, right, because if you tell that story to the right people, they'll they'll know.

1:06:11 It's like you knew that secret knock. Like if you know that story, they know that you were there that day in that room with those people, and there was at least six guys in that room that I could look at it be like, Okay, I remember you and you and you and you, and it was twenty years ago. And I don't know if any of those guys are alive or not, right, but it made so that day made that much of impression on you where you could you could see you, you'd be able to point them out in the crowd. Mm hmm.

1:06:43 Good. That's good to know. And and what prompted you to to reach out to doctor Greer? And uh what what what prompted you to go that that that that direction? Well, James Fox got me. He didn't want to talk to somebody, and at that point it was only him that I talked to. And then he introduced me to some people and I got to talking with somebody who I can't who I can't give their identity about because we worked on it. Anyways, all I got was a code name. That he was talking to me about some stuff, and I was explaining to him what they looked like, and he was telling me about what his experience was, and this guy's experience from what he told me back in ninety stabbed in ninety eight.

1:07:41 He had been at Area fifty one for like six months and he was an engineer working on something and he hadn't all access so he could He wasn't like Bob just stuck in one spot. He could move around. He was like intelligence security or something like that, and he could mess around with different projects, like checking in on things. And he was telling me that he was working alongside this gray that resembled how I described what I had seen in the skiff that day, only this guy wasn't wearing a black suit, white shirt, black tie like the one I was like one like the one I saw in the skiff.

1:08:26 He was wearing the old BDUs, the old camel pattern. He was wearing the cover, and he was just trying to work on his work on his ship. He was he could get it up and going, but it wasn't working quite right and it had to come back. And when he left, the guy the thing was still working on that ship. But ever I saw the guy that I talked to had seen the same exact thing, like like he drew something, I do something, and we compare the pictures and he were like, yep, exact, same exact least at these same species.

1:09:10 Yeah, same species at least, right, they all the ones the ones I got to see in that skiff that day. I didn't. I only got to really see the one up close, the one across from one on the other side of the room. At one point their face had been cleared and then it sort of blurred out like they were trying to do some kind of telepathic thing or something like that. They looked like they were trying to concentrate. But there was a group of four or five individuals over to my right behind these kids where I was sitting, about ten fifteen feet away, About four or five of them, maybe three, two or three of them could have been aliens.

1:09:58 I'm not sure there were. There is at least one or two people with hair over there, so at least two of them were humans. Okay, identified any of those ones if I really needed to, Just the one I saw right in front of me and the two young kids. They're the only ones that I would probably be able to properly identify right now. M hmm. It sounds like it's it sounds like you you you passed a door at the the Men in Black with the movie Lass, Yeah, yeah, peak my head through justin a little bit, like but wonder really wonderful, isn't it Just that that that thought in your head.

1:10:43 See, you have a confirmation, so you know if what you're saying is absolutely one percent. Yeah, I mean you have a confirmation that most people don't and have any actual proof. It's just my word and it would take other people to come and and Okay, So with the disclosure project, you got you signed on though, uh, I got my entire story. What the what was shown in his presentation was the location at the James F. Hanley Federal Building, and my name was redacted. There was another slide, a couple of slides later on that actually had the location again, but my name was was blacked out.

1:11:35 Congress got the uncensored version or the unblacked out version, so they have all my They got all my information months ago with everybody else is at that time. Okay, So I so your information was in that and if Congress didn't in fact receive that, then you know, what what what are you hoping to do? What do you what are you hoping to do for the old overall disclosure plan? Right because you know, even while we're recording this, the Soul Foundation has dropped their own little disclosure plan and you know clearly in the Schumer Amendment.

1:12:19 There is literally something called the Disclosure timeline, the disclosure plan. What what do you hope to do? Do you hope to inspire others to come forward? Do you hope to to What is it that you're trying to do? I just I want this out, and I wanted the bandy to be off and just just grow up. Just we can take it. We're dealing with all this other nonsense right now, and we need a moment of levity, Like it's just it's time to to just grow up and let the past go and embrace the rest of the twenty first entry with open arms.

1:13:02 And you know, boldly go where no well, I'm assuming somebody I know what you're about to say, though, Yeah, boldly go where no man has gone before. I mean, I mean, mankind's really should get to do this. I mean, I'm not afraid if all of a sudden they're watching this and they go knocking on my door and you come with us. We'll let you do what you need we do. We'll let you do what you want as long as you keep your mouth shut. Like if you go now, nobody will ever hear from you again, but you'll be off this planet.

1:13:42 You get to go wherever you want. I'm down, let's go. I said the same thing. I know, and I'm ready to go. Do you think that the world would be a better place? Yeah, disclosure happened. Yeah, I really do. I mean we if we did need to all be a slave to the almighty dollar, that would be they would change everything. It's an unnecessary thing to have. When we were hunting down bears and elk in fighting off the wilderness, that was one thing. But we need to move on from this. It's just not that's not sustainable galaxy out there, And I totally believe one hundred percent of my heart that it's a lot more like it's a lot more like Star Trek out there than you would think, like, yeah, this situation out there really isn't all the craziest.

1:14:48 I would rather have, you know, bipedal individuals that have intelligence and you can communicate with them over say irrect and it's from Starship troopers, would you have, yeah, I think, or deal with gigantic spiders they want to kill you. Yeah, I'm opting for the alien okay, yeah, absolutely, yes, absolutely, And I think even the word talking is used liberally here because I do think the next stage of human evolution, because you know, evolution happens because of a struggle. Right, Humans really don't struggle physically anymore.

1:15:36 You know, of course the Third World countries and you know all that, but let's let's talk about Western civilization. Right. We don't really struggle physically anymore. It's more mentally that we struggle, and and struggle breeds evolution. So I think the next step in our evolution will be something to do with our abilities, in our in our ability brain function, and it'll be it'll be not realm rather than some physical trait. Okay, I just noticed there's a recording error that popped up on my screen.

1:16:16 Is his open recording tab to learn more? It it might be my end. Yeah, it just let me mark this. It just means you're out of disk space and I record locally, So don't yeah, don't, don't, don't even worry about it. That's as it's it's completely fine, okay, okay, yeah, so let me mark that marker created beautiful. I love stream yard Man. They've got the best features. Now you can like, all you have to hit is B and it will create a marker. So that way, like anything that you've said that I think is important.

1:17:00 I write down the time, but I also click B for a marker, and I'm going to delete all this obviously, that's why I created the second marker. But yeah, all right, so you want to help other people come forward. You've seen what you've seen. Why do you think the government or whatever entity is at the home of the secrecy? Why do you think that they with everything that's been going on lately congressional hearings, people's interest in the topic being at an uh, I mean talk about an all time high. It's just it's unbelievable, right, Why do you think they're still grasping onto this secrecy?

1:17:48 What do you think the truth may be scarier than fiction? You know what I think it is. I think I think it's more of a let's let grandpa die before we go met around the stuff that he all the cool stuff he's got hidden in the garage, because that way, you know, Grandpa can die in peace, and you know, Dad's a little bit cooler. He'll you know, he'll let you play around with you know, the ray gun and the hover board or whatever. That's a comparison. While I've never heard that that's a really good way to look at that.

1:18:30 See, what you're saying is we have to wait for like like for instance, let's let's it's like cable in newspapers. Once my parents and your parents' generation dies out, I mean, my mother's already passed away. Once that generation dies out, like cable will not be a thing. Newspapers will not be a thing unless it's on online. Right, there are just there's still a market it for it because there are still people that grew up in that time right where that was. They don't they don't quite understand the streaming and and all that and uh uh and and and computers and the internet.

1:19:13 So they keep what they have because they they're there, they know it, They they grew up with it. They it's something they can understand. Right once they're gone, we don't, we no longer really need it. So it's it's comparable. I like that. I like that that comparison that you made. Have you talked to your kids about this? I did. I told my son, I told them, I actually did. I told my three children that would understand what was going what's what's going on? Actually? And I told my son because he was born two days after I saw the the grade, the first the first grade the first time, and then I told my daughter, said because why not?

1:20:03 And then I told my youngest and I asked her if I didn't tell her directly, but I said, if a little kid that looked like this started going to school, if you would you be friends with them? And I showed her a picture of what approximated what I looked, what I what I saw and not quite as scary looking. But she was like. I showed her and she said, imagine a kid version of this, and she goes, oh, yeah, I'd be friends with them. And so she's a cute little social butterfly that loves everybody. So it's nice to her, she's nice to them.

1:20:50 But do you think that's maybe why I like in the aerial school case and and the so there's the school, then there's the other. The school in Africa in I think it's like rule Zimbabwe, there's so many cases of landings at school yards. And do you think that they do that for a reason, Maybe because kids are impressionable and they're trying they've been trying to acclimate us. Yeah, yeah, that sounds about right. Because if I think if the US government or or any government has a say in disclosure. I think ultimately the others do have a larger say.

1:21:43 Does that make sense? Like the others, I think they're ultimately the ones who are going to allow disclosure. Yeah, I'm not. I'm sure it's a fifty to fifty but like we got home field advantage. But if they really wanted to show us what they got, it might be a little too much if they all brought it out at the same time. But for me, I'm I'm fine with it. But as far as the rest of the people on this planet are concerned, you got to convince eight billion other people on this planet that any a large amount of gigantic discs showing up in the middle of the daytime where everybody can see him.

1:22:31 You can't explain it away a swamp gas or a one hundred and fifty foot across weather balloon. Right, Yeah, it's not Project Mogul. It's not Project Mogul this time. Yeah, it's hopefully, hopefully it it comes out a little bit faster than it has been. Like it we've dressed this in this past couple of month, we've seen a complete change from complete denial to yeah, good luck explaining it now because enough stuff has come out, it's way more accepted now. I see it at work all the time. A lot of everybody that I know that is even remotely interested in it will stop me on my way into work or whatever during a break or something like how's everything going.

1:23:28 And I this past week I was talking with someone and I said, listen, I'm doing a podcast this weekend, hopefully, and I'm not sure when it's coming out, but as soon as it's out, I'll let you guys know. And I know that a lot of eyes are going to see this podcast. And yeah, I have a very large audio fan base. There's no exaggerations. You can hook me up to whatever kind of device that you want, measure my eyes, the sound of my voice, whatever. It's all true. So you swear on everything that you love what you've told us today.

1:24:09 I'm baptized Catholic when I was a kid. I'm wearing my rosary right now and it has Jerusalem soil in it. And no way, Wow, that's actually pretty nice. I swear on my Catholic baptism. Okay, And I'll send my mother this uh podcast episode link. No, I know she's she's gonna be interested to hearing it, and I know it's gonna tickle her that I'm holding onto my faith for And do you think do you think your mother's faith would be altered, or say, anyone's faith, do you think Because I about it, I went to go down to visit her, and I got to talk to with her about physics and stuff like that, and I was explaining four dimensional time space and multiverse fun Neil de grass Tyson and Michio Kaku stuff really up there, big words that she's just not used to hearing because she's a backwoods country girl who spent twenty years up in Alaska hunting out in the middle of nowhere Alaska.

1:25:29 Huh that we have a family homestead out in the middle of nowhere. It's like two hundred miles away from Dawson City or something like that, and it's just impossible to get to I know, for it is it's just a matter of actually getting up there and yeah, wanting to be up there. Yeah if there's a yeah, there's a lot of activity reported in that, you know, in the Alaska I'm like super interested in Arctic lately, and like, why why don't we have any real pictures of the Arctic, because if you go on Google and you go to try to look at the Arctic on Google Earth, it's all digitally created.

1:26:14 Why this doesn't make sense to me. There's like anything that you see from the turn of this entry or whatever is dark, grainy. Hmmm. And where I found four pictures of the Earth that were released by NASA that all have the same clouds they like, the same the same exact clouds like not a you could overlay them and listen. I'm not like conspiracy like that, but I'm just saying NASA is clearly editing the photos before they release them. They're clearly doing something to them. Because I don't care or how many times and how many pictures you take, you will never get the same cloud formation all across the planet.

1:27:12 And this it's it's impossible. And to have that four different times, clearly they're they're manipulating photography. So who's to say that they aren't holding back.

1:27:26 Yeah, to look at like Yahoo maps or Google Maps or whatever, and you're seeing, yeah, you'll see live spots of my neighborhood or whatever, and I can almost tell you know, you can tell you know whether they're around the trees or not, what time of the year it was, when the car we switched over from one car to another, when we put an out front, when we set up the pool in the back. It's just the But you go to like the old military bases and it's like some picture from nineteen ninety or something like that.

1:28:03 Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly that hasn't been updated in forever, and it's just the same spot. The thing is, I've looked at different versions of those Google those maps, like Google Maps and Yahoo or whatever, and you'll see like different things of it, Like they'll swap out the pictures now and then like they'll if you go to the the quote unquots and the satellite photos of like Area fifty one, you'll see choppers there one time, take a screenshot, go back several months later and it changed. The picture changes and there's nothing there anymore, right, And then go back and they're back again, and there's one more right.

1:28:45 They're on the tarmac, and the pictures change. I've noticed some interesting stuff if you go over military bases on like Yahoo Maps, and there's this one one that I saw where you see all these other ones that look normal, and then you see this one, it's all blurry and you can tell that there's some kind of active camouflage on that thing, like distorting the color, because it's not they don't mess around with the picture. It's just the where that craft is, where that outline is. It's got this weird looking blurry line on it, like some and with a like a pen and scratch it out or something like that.

1:29:30 But an artifact in the picture, so you can that's something that somebody did something to do it. It's reflecting off of the top of that craft. And I guess it it may might have been something magnetic. I guess I don't know. Yeah, you had a magnetic interference basically or on the skin. Now I want to ask you a final one kind of not final question. I have a couple more, but it directed energy, uh technology? Do you think, uh, what do you think about doctor Greer's recent revelations about those you know, when he brought out these people in the Disclosure Project two point zero.

1:30:18 You know they're talking about these bases in the Arctic and directed energy weapons and uh do you do you think that that this is all things that we are capable of? As ye as sounds right? If you're gonna have a solar powered weapon, have it on the South pole where there's no ozone, and it can run as much of the Sun's power as needed. And you pointed to point this ray at a section of cloud or a section of you know, the atmosphere, and you create a storm out of it or whatever, right, And do you think that that they may be bringing down UFOs that way?

1:31:00 It's possible, like if it's like, if they're supposed to let these ones in but not these ones that's so visible to me don't here who who did we get? Did we Are we harboring the enemy? Or are we harboring the innocent ones? So that's what I was gonna ask you. And I'm I think there are at least five or six different species on this fucking on this planet, but I don't know which ones. I'm pretty sure the ones I saw in the Federal Building were nice ones, but there could be I don't know. I don't want to sound like, you know, the tinfoil have people, but there could be lizard people or some other species.

1:31:48 I mean, we apparently evolved from apes. What's to say that these gray ones didn't evolve from dolphins and they're they're down here seeing the people that they evolved from swimming around in tanks at sea World and stuff, and we got you know, you know, monkeys and zoos and apes and stuff. What's to say that there isn't a species of very furdy individuals that look like Chewbacca that they are gonna come down here. They're intelligent and they see that we got apes and cages at zoos, they might get really mad at us for it, or we might have bad words societies and the galaxy.

1:32:34 And we're the bad neighborhood. I mean, we're a paranoid that anything coming to here is is what's bad. We're the bad ones. It's probably why I don't like humans altogether. Like to be a relatively social butterfly, and I had lots of friends growing up. I wasn't an outsider. I was one of the popular kids. Yeah, I mean marrying my wife, I didn't even have to get together with her back in high school. I had my pick of the letter. I could have been with anybody I wanted to, and she's she's the one that ended up.

1:33:11 There's so much that that we perceive on our planet, like we've we all come up with like, oh, what if they're cyborgs? What if what if they're that? You know what, ninety nine point nine nine percent of the population doesn't know what they're looking at or what they're supposed to be looking at. There's just a I've got to in all, maybe maybe seven or eight people plus however many people that were in that side room when I went to go to the skiff. They're the only ones that I know about that know about this, know about these things.

1:33:48 At least fifteen individuals. Between the individuals in that room and the ones in that skiff that just just in that location, those are the only ones that I know about that about what's going on. And then there's me seeing all fourteen of them individually, the two groups of four when I was when I was a teenager. There was the one I saw when I was a kid, the group that I saw at the skiff, and the one I saw on the ship. That was it. The eight I saw when I was a kid were tall, black ones about seventy feet tall.

1:34:30 What dark black? Where did you see these? These? They came into my room when I was a kid on two occasions, two groups of four and the first group, the four had red eyes. And then the second group, three of them had red eyes and one had green. The one with the green eyes went into my dad's room and the other ones went in the other room other rooms. One with the red eyes came in my room, had gotten really close to me, and I try to keep my eyes on as long as possible, and I pulled the sheet over my head.

1:35:05 I'm probably fourteen at the time and very much awake, but very much not a kid. Yeah, I mean you're you're in high school. No, I'm not three or four. I'm fourteen years old. Yeah, fourteen years old. I pulled the cover over and I feel something gently rub against my arm my shoulder here, and I ripped the cover off. Sit straight up. I look this VI am not two feet away from this thing's face, looking right in his eyes. It screeches like a low like like like they got their breath knocked out of them.

1:35:49 Like that's that that sounded like like you like you're breathing in and screaming, breathing in. Yeah, that's basically what it sounded like. It wasn't loud, but it was really soft, and they all swooshed out of the room. Well, he swished out of the room. The rest of them switched out of the rooms that they were in. They all went down the stairs. Never saw those guys again. So when they were moving, did they touch the floor. No, they seemed to be gliding the light like more. Yeah, I'm not trying to coach you into saying that, but I'm saying so there were no footsteps that you I'm sorry you cut out a little bit.

1:36:31 Yeah, it was really smooth, like they were running. They they the way they moved, it was really really fast. Oh when you said they were black, do you mean that that it was very dark? Yeah, a solid, a solid dark color. When they were out in the hall, their eyes were glowing. But when the one that was coming towards me was coming towards me, it's eyes got dimmer as he got closer, and it kind of had like, uh, like if you were looking to a fly's eyes through a microscope and see a bunch of little circles.

1:37:13 That's what it was like. But it had gone from a bright red brought like a bright red to like a dull burgundy color. And when I sat up and was looking at the looking right at him, it screached and just they went out like I just I didn't know what I was just looking at. I was like, that's the second time. I'm thinking, that's the second time those things showed up. What is what is going on here? So I moved my room around. I moved my bed over to the other side, and moved my desk over to the other side.

1:37:53 And I'm laying down one night, and this is probably a month or two later, I just eyes open, just staring at my floor, waiting for something to walk in my room. And I see this blurry figure walk into my room. Looking at the floor. I could see his legs moving. I could see him disturbing the carpet on the floor. But no, no, no, no, there was a visual. It was blurry. I could see through a wom No. Okay, okay, think like refracting light and visibility cloak the first Predator movie when you're seeing him distorted, That's what it looked like in the dark gotch like just the view of what's on the other side of him, which was only my desk in the wall, was distorted, and I could see these legs moving.

1:38:52 He went down to the end of my bed, around the corner of my dresser. I had my dresser at the end of my bed and a cat storage cabinet, and it opened up the cabinet, it looked at what was in it, and just DVDs and CDs, closed the cabinet, turned around, walked out of my room, stopped as he got to me, looked down, looked right in my eyes. I looked right back at him, and then he looked back up and walked out. Huh, I budge, just that was it. And then so I see those shadows come back and forth hundreds of times my entire childhood, but that was the time I paid attention.

1:39:33 Do you think that's why when you saw what you saw years later that you didn't freak out? Yeah, I mean I did because but other people, but I was just really surprised. I wasn't expecting it. Then I thought I'd have to wait, you know. Well, at that point, I didn't think that I was gonna be seeing anything crazy anyways. But once I sat down, the realization hit me, like, I'm probably gonna have to wait seven years before I get to work with these guys. So I had a six six and a half year contract and they thought that was nuts.

1:40:15 When I got to Basic, They're like, how long did you getch your contract for? Then? I said six and a half seven years. And I had this red folder that I was traveling wet that was sealed and said classified, don't open it, authorized your eyes only, all kinds of warnings on it. My drill started, opens it up, he looks through it, He calls up, the senior calls up, the first ergeant calls up, the battery commander calls up everybody but the base commander. Basically, they're all around me. They're like, how many other Avenger crew members are in here?

1:40:53 And there's like fifteen or sixteen others And I was the only one that went through for a security clearance screening, a security interview. Nobody else, Nobody in the other battery that was also adventure crewmembers also, none of them got the security clarrent screening. Just me. What's so special about me? Is what he asked. And it took me a moment because I think that's the question we're all asking. Yeah, I have no offense, of course, I mean this in no offensive way. Yeah, but why you right?

1:41:34 I mean, if I was seeing him as a kid and they were watching me and the crazy stuff that happened with me. When I was taking the as BAB at the Federal building, I killed the power to the room. I don't remember it. All I know is I'm sitting at one of the terminals taking the test and I felt weird suddenly, like I felt frustrated and upset, and I couldn't explain what I was feeling. And all of a sudden, this blue thing burst out of my chest, knocked the power out the entire room. Everybody is freaking out.

1:42:20 The security guys, the security clearance guys, the guys that were approxying the ASVAB pulled up the security footage. They scanned the room. They start from one side, they scan all the way around. They get to me. I can just make out me on the camera, and all of a sudden, this blue thing goes blue thing, white thing, whichever color of that screen was at the time it sparked, went cute, and everything went out in that room. Everybody's terminals went down. You know how that sounds. That sounds that sounds insane.

1:43:04 And then afterwards, when they're looking at this this security footage, I'm standing there, I got my arms crossed. I'm scared, like something happened with me. And I can't explain it. And I'm just sitting there like, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, what am I gonna do? I'm in so much trouble. And there's one guy, the one that was talking to, one big guy. He covers his hip, covers up his first and he's looking around. He's he's bugging out, and he's trying to figure out which of one of us it was. And he looks right at me, and I go, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it, don't throw me under the bus.

1:43:45 And nothing nobody says anything to me. I don't get in trouble, but I go do the go do maps the first time and pass through select my job. They go, okay, based on your scull, we got this job, this job, and this job picked out for you, and you get to pick out which one one of them was water purification, which I wasn't interested in. The other one was EOD and I had no interest in disarming bombs over there. I hurt Locker hadn't come out yet, so I didn't know that. And then there was in Seerra Avenger crew member and that sounded interesting, like cause those guys they get embedded with with special operations schemes and get they're part of the backup squad like everybody else, Like like like rangers, they got their own unit, they got their own water guys.

1:44:40 This they're onn that. All these guys do have their own special parts that they do. And then I got my thing, and I've got the classified part of what I was was told. I got to see some cool videos and some stuff. I didn't get to see anything. I'm not sure if I saw any footage like a gimbal video or uh the Kniamds video or anything like that. I didn't. I wasn't sure what I was looking at. Nothing looked weird. It's just you see one radar thing on TV. If you don't know that you're supposed to be looking at a uf AL, you're just you're just thinking you're looking at a plane.

1:45:18 Right, So I'm seeing footage of missile shooting down planes, you know, the black ire footage, stuff like that. Nothing that's nothing that you don't see on TV. Nothing out of the ordinary, nothing that I wouldn't you know, put up a red flag about. Gotcha know whatops? Cool, I'll go with that one. You know, cool, you picked it. You picked a good job, so I go out, you go when do you want to ship? So I picked November fifteenth and gets me timed. It gives me thirty days to get my stuff squared away, give my bank account and everything, get married because I had to get married because they wouldn't let me come in with a kid out weblock.

1:46:00 So we got married on the fly and went in. Did my thing, got told I had to go do a security interview, said okay, and when and and that's when questioning me about stuff. And in the back of my head, I'm thinking, don't think about don't think about the aliens you saw when you were a kid, don't think you're nuts. Just just answer their questions. And then the thing is something else interesting happened during that interview. I'm on the phone. I'm on this red phone talking with this person interviewing me.

1:46:40 Because I'm talking with the one guy and I'm talking with somebody else on this on this red phone. They got a disguised voice, and they sound a little weird. They're talking overly proper one I get them to break a little bit, and they must have moved the voice modulator out of the way. I could tell that they were a female, but they didn't they didn't seem to appreciate the fact that I was picking on them for talking overly proper. And they did accent. It was it sounded very plain. There's no inflection at all in their voice.

1:47:21 Robotic. Yeah, very robotic, very textbook, very like like I was raised with. No, there's no region to where I'm learning this accent from. It's there's nothing there. It's just flat. And that I kind of I was kind of smirking a little bit talking on the phone. They could tell that I was messing with whoever I was messing with on the phone, and They're like, just just answer their questions and I'm like, no, they're talking where they're trying to catch me on something. I'm seeing through their their bs.

1:47:59 What's the what's the issue here? No, I'm not a terrorist. Yes. The funniest, The funniest thing is you might hear about this. I was attached to a terrorist organization, but there's a funny story attached to it. And it was the w w S, the World Wildlife Foundation, because my wife loves animals and thought, oh, this should be fun. We're gonna go talk, go door to door and knocking people's doors and get them to donate for you know, defending the wildlife or whatever. Not not even thinking about hanging out about the fact that we're hanging out with a bunch of you know, three hugging hippies.

1:48:43 Mm hm. And I'm talking with the guys in the room, like, come on, come on, guys, how many you guys have done something stupid for a girl. They are all just like, yeah, you're right. So they're like, Okay, don't worry about it, you're good. They thought it was she was. I was like, she's pregnant too, and they're like, she's pregnant. It's like, yeah, her water broke last night actually, and she they goes she's here. I was like, yeah, then you're shipping today. Yeah, you know that kid's gonna be born in like a day or you right.

1:49:15 I was like yeah, and my in laws don't know that they're in laws yet. Yeah, the thing you're going to fort show because that's an offlong way away. Hah. Well at this I had some humor about it. Yeah, they sent me off. Yeah. So yeah, so you're I mean, you clearly you've and this is something that I find to be interesting about the topic is that typically people who have experiences, they don't just have one, they have many, And like you know, for the most part, would you say your interactions have been good?

1:49:56 Yeah? Yeah, the I think the time I was ever really scared it all? What kind of freaked out was the tall black ones with the red eyes. If it had been one of the coming to my room, I would have probably would have just reached out to them, hopefully, but I got with the one with the red eyes. Is there anything that you would change now with hindsight, I wouldn't have left. I wouldn't have left the military. I would have just stayed for somebody to come get me. Yeah, that's what I was. I was, That's what I was thinking.

1:50:28 You would say, oh, different, But yeah, I would have. I would have gone with them. How can we confirm that these programs exist? Uh? Jeez it basically, I mean, because what you're what you're talking about, you'd have to raid the places like like like it have to be, we'd have to or whoever was and then would have to just storm the place whatever buildings that they're suspected, if they even have the self they're still at all, because it's all game from the federal building moved in I think twenty eleven, twenty twelve, But I don't know if there's anything still on that floor or not right floor that's not exactly easy to move that I can't talk about because it's not related to that specific element of my story.

1:51:32 Yeah, we're we're still out of that as far as security. We're used to that kind of stuff. But see you you would stay and and and you would try to get a glimpse behind the curtain. Is basically what you're what you're saying, And I think that I think that's I think that's what I would I would have, you know, that's what I would where i'd be if I was you as well. I really do want to thank you for coming on the show. You know, you're you've you've been nothing but but but cordial with me. You know, I want to hear more of our listeners stories, if they have stories to tell.

1:52:13 So you're the first of hopefully much or many more. But you know, uh, you want to be seen, You want to talk to Congress. What are your next steps? Uh? For for for for that, what are your next steps after after we leave here today? It's hopefully I actually get to go and speak with whoever's leading the charge in this, whether it's Umber Chat, Senator Joe Rand, Meg Gabs, whoever. Yeah, I think whoever's yeah, And I'm I won't hold like they're gonna have to make me not say something because I've got nobody there to pull me back and say, don't say that, right, I don't.

1:53:11 I'm not wearing a collar. I don't answer to nobody anymore. I'll keep my mouth shut about the certain things that I have to keep my mouth shut about because of the actual military involvement stuff. But as far as as far as our alien visitors are concerned, they're fair game. And I'm I'm hoping that I can actually advocate for them and let people know that. Whether I don't know if they're higher ups are aware that any kind of abuse is going on, but I'm pretty sure that at least some of them have been smacked around on occasion from time to time once they finally got out of like the stone ages of their involvement with us to in the modern day, like not when they first showed up in the mid nineteen hundreds, but you know, at least here.

1:54:11 But yeah, no, I understand what you're saying came across in ninety seven, ninety eight, there were five or six of them apparently. I'm not sure. I'd have to go back and listen to that interview. But if they're holding on to anybody being abusive to them at all, I'm not gonna stand for it all. Not to be political or anything, but I could this, and this is gonna sound cool. I could rather I could care less of what's going on with Israel and Palis and or whatever whatever's going on over there right now.

1:54:54 I'm thinking on a galactic level. I know it's does level. I know. I listen, I understand what you're saying, because I mean, let's not let's let's not done with the human the human problem. I'm dealing with the non human problem right now, right and I think I think, I think a lot of people are are are kind of like that. With the with what's going on down there, It's like because they've they've been fighting over that land for uh since the beginning of recorded history, so like what's new, what's new?

1:55:31 I guess, uh. And then you know with with Russia and Ukraine, the same same story, same tribes, still fighting. Yeah, we need to get we need to live away from that, like we need to move away from this notion of mutually assured destruction nuclear weapons. I think nuclear weapons should all be dismantled and just destroyed to their full stability. Uh. But that's again my my, my perspective. I don't think they're adding anything to our civilization except the ability to destroy it. Yeah, you look back at this the Star Trek lore.

1:56:14 The the rocket that caught the Vulcans attention was a nuclear missile that had been refitted to be a rocket that broke some kind of barrier for a few seconds and caught the attention. And if by my grandfather's thoughts on the whole Star Trek thing, the Star Trek universe is a whole lot less stranger than you think, and it's a whole lot more realistic than you think. Right, And and like I said, I think, I think the atomic age was that threshold that when we crossed it, they became more involved, whoever they are, because because for because if we destroy Earth, like if we were to destroy Earth, it would have ramifications throughout the entire galaxy and like our our own galaxy, and then that disruption on a galactic scale would have an impact on the cosmic scale.

1:57:18 So I think there's a very high precedent for preserving Earth. Right, I mean that we're not the right we're I guess from the way, from the way the Milky Ways situated. We're on an outer arm m hm. I guess we may or may not have attracted the attention of something from not from this galaxy. I'm pretty sure my triangle headed buddy, or yeah, my pyramid headed buddy. Uh, just from Andromeda, which is where Grip said. That's when he's when he said in Drama. I was like, if they say and he was from and Rama, I'm just gonna lose it.

1:58:04 And he said he was from and Drama. I was like, oh, you gotta he kildn't be. I was gonna say, that's earlier. I do you agree with everything Greer says? Because I don't don't. I haven't listened to him that much. I really have. It's I listened to him on Logan Paul on maybe two different occasions. I think I saw him one. Yeah, I saw my sewn Ryan, I think, and that was it. I'm not a big UFO person. I didn't like the only time I would ever sit down and watch any of those shows on sci Fi, the History Channel, the one with that guy that goes Aliens with my father in law, and every single time he was asking me about did you see anything?

1:58:56 I just kind of like I'd win get him, and he was like, did you just wink at me? He's an old guy. He was ten years older than my mother, ten or twelve years older than my mother in law, So he was an old guy. He was like eighty four when he passed away. He was a lot older than I thought he was. My wife, she's the baby of her family and I'm the oldest of mine. Right, So my perception of her family and her perception of her family's two totally different things. Because mine, if you took her dad and my grandfather's oldest brother, they were roughly the same age.

1:59:38 Yeah, that's how those like yeah, no, I get it. Okay, his life worked out versus the way my uncle Will's life worked out. Uncle Will died at like sixty two, and my father in law kept kicking almost to ninety and then man older for like thirty years, right, right, pretty much died from radiation poisoning from over the years from the little tick torch pieces. What is that? Yeah, so the little blue tips for a tick torch become radioactive by the time they're done being used, and they're supposed to be put into a storage a special kind of storage thing and sealed up.

2:00:26 And the company where they worked, they didn't do what they're supposed to do. And a lot of times that Ben was left open right next to his workstation. So when they tested his his blood stuff, he had severe radiation poisoning from years. It was low dose, but over the years it just tore him to pieces. But even a low dose, long term exposure will will kill you. And I'm pretty sure that might have been what did my uncle will in. Yeah, that's so sad. It's so sad because companies need to be held responsible for those those kind of actions.

2:01:05 But if I was to believe what my grandfather has said, after so many years in the regular military, he may have gotten into a black project or something like that. But never you can confirm it. Yeah all yeah, No, I mean, uh, you know, you could, like I said, we could, we could start a journey and try to try to dig up on that. Yeah, but I want to say thank you for for for coming on here. And thank you for telling your story, and you know it's very brave of you. Again, I don't endorse anybody's story.

2:01:46 I'm here to give a platform to hear it too, to be that person that that facilitates it. And I think, I I, you know, I think what you've said here today is is is very very interesting. At the least, it's very I owe you benefit of the doubt. So I think I would like to follow up on this, uh further, And I really, like I said, I respect you for your time, and and where can people where can people find you? How can they get in touch with you? What's your Will Niles? I'll put I'll put I'll put it in a link in the description below on Twitter.

2:02:36 And I don't really mess around with anything else. I've got a Facebook, but I'm never on it. Yeah see you're you're at Will Niles fourteen s so oh okay. Because I didn't make a Twitter account, like a modern Twitter account that was involved with like this kind of stuff till till eight like May, so I wanted to have something in there identifying that that the fourteen ass was my MS. You got my DT two fourteen, right? I sent a picture correct I said anything, all those pictures will be in the episode.

2:03:21 I got scattered throughout me swearing in for you. I just don't know where it is. We've moved so many things around in the house, and I dug out a bunch of pictures from when I was a kid, or when I was younger, from when my dad moved, and I found a bunch of stuff and found the pictures from the last time me and my sisters were all together was Christmas at two thousand and one. That was the last time all four of us were together. Wow. And that was with my son and my three sister in my three sisters, And I'm only wearing the that light green dress shirt with the black tie.

2:04:12 You can see my name tag. I'm not wearing my my jacket right right right. Well, like I said, send anything that you can send over, send over because I'll definitely utilize it. But thank you so much, Like I said, thank you so much for doing this today and to everybody out there listening. As always, guys, we want to encourage you. If you have a story that you'd like to tell and and you need a platform to tell that story on, feel free to message me on Twitter or email me at tie at I mean tie dot Total Disclosure at gmail dot com.

2:04:57 Let me know you know what it is you want to talk about, and uh, I'll vet it and uh, well we'll get in touch and and and get you on one of these listener episodes. Will I want to thank you so much for doing this and let's let's you know, here's to to the start of getting your story out there a little bit more. Thank you so much. All right, thank you very much. Uh, and you have anything to Uh if you could give some advice to someone who's on the fence about coming out, what would it be, Go all in?

2:05:29 Uh, if you're having any reservations, like if you're doubting yourself, don't do it. If you're gonna do it, go all the way in, or else you're not gonna be taken serious. I have not held back, not once. I haven't exaggerated. There's nothing that has been factual that I said. It's really hard when you first start out. The first time I ever spoke to you was right after the David Rush interview, and I think I laughed right away, like I didn't even didn't even get to stick around to hear the response to it.

2:06:19 Because something had going on, had was going on, and I had to had to leave. But do you remember that conversation at all? Yeah, I do, I do. What do you remember? So? I just remember that it was during that live stream where you're watching the David Grush thing where you had commented that you had wanted to tell or talk to someone and I'd let you let you know to message me. Yeah, so that's when our messages began, and that's when you started saying that you wanted to eventually tell your story but didn't know how to.

2:06:59 And I think I just had. I eventually ended up having Burshette on and that kind of renewed your interest, because you know, it renewed a lot of people's interests. So yeah, man, and the guy that I think sitting down with him would be like sitting down with my grandfather when he was He's dude, Brushett. He's a Southern guy too. My southern accent might slip. I know, I've got a weird accent from living here in Syracuse for so long, but well, I was down to visit my mom for a little bit and I came back home and I had a twang in my voice.

2:07:43 And it just went And then my wife was looking at me, like, what is going on with your accent? My youngest at the time, she was like, why is daddy talking weird? His hometown's coming out. But yeah, no, Burshett is Uh, Burshet is amazing. Congress I've never had more respect for a congressman. I typically don't like politicians, but uh, my conversations with him and his colleagues have been nothing but amazing and transparent. So let's uh hopefully get you on one of those stages sometime soon. All right, definitely all right to everyone out there in the podcast Fear, keep looking up.

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2:09:07 It really really really really helps. And to everybody, I want to say thank you for stopping in to total disclosure tonight. William once again, thank you, and to everyone, we'll see you on the other side.