Captain Robert Salas-Danny Sheehan-Steve Bassett & Ron James- MUFON/NPI Rally Post UAP hearing

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0:58 Speaker 1: Thank you in advance. Now let's keep exploring the unknown together. Today I'm releasing a special segment that we filmed during the Congressional hearing day. This was a rally that Mofon and the New Paradigm Institute held in conjunction at the park across the street from the building. It was truly tremendous to hear all the speakers, and I really really enjoyed our time there. I hope you enjoy it too. Happy Thanksgiving, Thank.

1:29 Speaker 2: You for coming. I'm Jim Garrison.

1:31 Speaker 3: I'm the director of the Washington office of the New Paradigm Institute. This press event immediately following the hearing we all participated in as being jointly sponsored by Moufon, the Mutual UFO Network, and the New Paradigm Institute. We're also supported by other partners and organizations around the world that have been coming together to support the single most important mission of our time for the governments to disclose the information that we the public already know that there is zero doubt that we are not alone that came through in the hearings.

2:15 Speaker 3: It's coming out in all kinds of places around the United States and around the world. And so Moufon and New Paradigm Institute are in the process of forming a strategic alliance to bring people together as we seek to build a global coalition and a global movement around disclosure. So what we're going to do today is just here from some of the figures that we all know and love have been working tirelessly in the disclosure movement over the last several decades, and then we will open it up to any questions that any of you might have.

2:58 Speaker 3: We're going to start with Danny Shean, who's the founder and president and general counsel of the New Paradigm Institute. UH, and then I'll introduce the other speakers after the last one finishes.

3:12 Speaker 2: Danny there, let me get.

3:14 Speaker 4: You at the Biden.

3:16 Speaker 5: I'll take the fuzzy one. Fuzzy, I get the fuzzy Mike. Okay, So you have the for for what you could hear of the actual questions and UH and testimony there which was a little muffled sometime and a little hurried uh.

3:32 Speaker 4: To sort of get through the thing. What you what you.

3:35 Speaker 5: The key takeaways is you heard lou Elizondo state that he, as the longtime director of the top secret program inside the Pentagon to investigate the UFO issue, had come to the conclusion that it was clear that the evidence showed that we.

3:53 Speaker 4: Are not alone in the cosmos.

3:56 Speaker 6: Uh.

3:57 Speaker 5: And you heard him talking about the biologics, the biological evidence. You heard the inquiries coming to him, what does that mean? Does that mean bodies? What does that mean? And you heard half a dozen of the members of Congress asking kind of more probing questions, like if you were allowed to get into a skiff with me, could you tell me more about the bodies? And he said, I'm not authorized to tell you that. What he's suggesting is that even in a skiff, he's not authorized to tell them this because the clearances that they have as members of Congress are not the kind of clearances that they need to have in order to be told about this program, because this program has gained an additional classification, and that's what you were getting the signals about.

4:53 Speaker 5: You could hear that there were at least eight or ten times, if you were counting, like I was counting eight or ten times when it was said I can't talk about this in public, okay. But when you saw them pressed with the question is if we got you into a skiff, could you tell me the following, at which point the language changed into I'm not authorized to tell you that, or that would not be up to me to tell you that information. So it means that there's a source of authority still above the members of Congress and their clearances, which is still being deemed to be operational on the part of the witnesses that were actually under these security oaths that well, you could tell that Lou was the admiral was they were.

5:45 Speaker 5: Well, the question as to who those people are above them is one of the questions that Congress has to find out about. And you saw Burlison Congress and Burlson kept asking him, kept saying, well, who is that? Who is that that is authorized to tell us that? And lu said, I'm not authorized to tell you that, okay, And it isn't that if I got into a skiff, I could tell you, which was a whole other category of information. But there's a whole other category of information that even if you get them into a skiff, they're not going to tell Congress, okay.

6:19 Speaker 5: So that's the status where we are right now. It's farther ahead than we were a year ago, so we're making progress step by step. But you'll see that this wall is still up here. But very importantly there are a major, growing number of members of Congress, not only on the House side that you saw today, but over on the Senate side that are saying, at least we need to know. And you saw even with Congressman Ogil that came at the very end, who was the super hawk. I think you can notice that that he's here to protect the national security of the United States.

6:57 Speaker 5: He said, whatever our positions are, Congress needs to know.

7:02 Speaker 4: Okay, you got to remember now.

7:03 Speaker 5: That's the purpose of the UFO Controlled Disclosure Act is to get Congress informed, and then it's going to have to be Congress and others who decide how much the public.

7:15 Speaker 4: Is going to be told.

7:16 Speaker 5: So it's important for the population to know that what we're driving at right now is getting Congress informed. There are elected representatives. They need to know they're being iced out. And as you heard one of the other congress persons say that, I believe that that's criminal. You heard that it's criminal for them to be refusing to brief Congress on this program. All right, So there are nuggets like that that you pick up if you listen closely to what really happened here today. And you heard a congresswoman may say over and over again, this is clear that we need to have more hearings.

7:56 Speaker 5: We need to have more hearings to get more information.

7:59 Speaker 4: Right.

8:00 Speaker 5: And the key to understand is that when President elect Trump is inaugurated on January twentieth and becomes president, he has publicly stated repeatedly that he will immediately release all of the information about UFOs that the government has. Okay, now I wouldn't bet on that, but the bottom line is he is saying that, and so all he has to do, very importantly, all he has to do is order all of the people who are under UFO disc non disclosure security agreements to release them from that security agreement so then they can come before Congress and tell Congress what the information is that they've got.

8:50 Speaker 5: That's the next step that has to be focused on, because it's not at all clear that the most responsible thing to have happen is have Donald Trump get all the information and decide to do whatever it is he wants with it.

9:04 Speaker 4: Okay, that Congress should be involved.

9:06 Speaker 5: These are the elected representatives, okay, and the American.

9:09 Speaker 4: People should be involved.

9:11 Speaker 5: You heard Lou Alizondo lay out the three levels of things that had to happen. The third one was that the citizenry has to get informed, has to get informed, has to get mobilized. Okay, that's why the New Paradigm Institute and the Mutual UFO Network are joining together now. The Mutual UFO Network has probably one of the most thorough going grassroots membership in the country that they've been they've been around for over fifty years, okay, and that what we need to do is we need to organize in every one of the four hundred and thirty five congressional districts a Citizens for Disclosure Team.

9:49 Speaker 5: Okay, we have them in forty three states now, but we don't have them in all four hundred and thirty five congressional districts.

9:56 Speaker 4: Yet. That's what we're all going to be working on.

9:59 Speaker 5: We're going to be mobile that third leg of what is required that Lou Alizondo talked about. All right, that's the job of what this conference is about.

10:09 Speaker 4: You know.

10:09 Speaker 5: Lou is now off actually briefing some of the other members of the committee right now in private that has been set up. But the bottom line is he may get here, but for everybody disperses, but we can't disperse that we've got to push for what May says needs.

10:28 Speaker 4: To be more and more of these hearings.

10:31 Speaker 5: We need to get the hearing that's going to take place on the nineteenth over on the Senate side with Senator Jillibrand is going to bring in the new.

10:37 Speaker 4: Head of Arrow.

10:38 Speaker 5: You actually heard the admiral suggests maybe we can have more optimism about the Arrow Office under the new administration. You heard repeated the statements that the Arrow Office had failed in its mission under its previous administration. Okay, so it's possible, but I would just make clear to you as long as the Arrow Office stays up under the control of the United States Defense Department and the Intelligence community, these are the people that have been hiding the information for eighty years.

11:09 Speaker 5: So I think that the Arrow Office doesn't feel itself really authorized to go get this information. So the people are going to have to join together with Congress and mobilize to get this information brought to the world. And as doctor Garrison pointed out, we know a lot of this information already, but the fact is that you know, seventy five percent of the people in the country don't know that information. So that's the other thing. The new Paradigm Institute, and the Moufon people are going to be doing is getting the information out to the people so that everybody in the country is as well informed as probably most of you are, to get to that stage so that they can mobilize and put the pressure on their congress people and hold more hearings.

11:54 Speaker 5: And we need to move to have more hearings as soon as possible right after the January twentieth inauguration of Trump. Hold him to his word of making this information available, get the Congress involved to reconvene hearings, get Trump. Put the pressure on Trump to release all of the UFO whistleblowers from their national security clearanic restrictions and bring them to Congress to brief Congress on what's going on. That's our job. Now, that's our job. We're the people out in the streets.

12:26 Speaker 4: Now we've come out of.

12:28 Speaker 5: The marble halls of Congress to mobilize as the citizenry to get this job done. But be certain of the fact that the congressional representatives are not going to do this unless the pressure is kept on by the citizens. And that is what Timbershet said when he came out of the skiff a couple months ago. He said, the only reason we're here is because the people are demanding it. Okay, so don't stop, don't stop. That's what we're doing. The New Paradigm Institute and MoveOn are joining together now in an alliance to get that to happen.

13:03 Speaker 5: So everybody's stay tuned, stay in touch with us at the New Paradigm Institute, and then move On so that you can be kept up to date. Okay, come to New Paradigm Institute dot org. Okay, and you can get all of the information. Great, thank you very much, thank you. Any of these private contractors.

13:29 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, they're perfectly entitled to subpoena bum.

13:33 Speaker 5: Well because they don't have enough citizen pressure put on them. Yeah, that's the right exact question, that there's not enough citizen pressure on the citizen pressure has generated what we saw today, which was okay, but it's not it's not adequate what happened today, it's just a step in the next direction. We've got to mobilize to get the next step taken as soon as practicable after January twentieth for the next round of hearings right away in the new administration.

14:04 Speaker 7: Academic.

14:07 Speaker 8: Step into.

14:10 Speaker 4: Hi. I'm Ron James.

14:12 Speaker 9: I'm the filmmaker who made the film Accidental Truth, and I'm also the media relations director for Moufon, and we're here also with Muffon's actual director. For too long, the UFO community has been divided. There's been a lot of infighting, there's been a lack of clarity in our destiny and our path, and we're setting a new precedent in cooperation.

14:34 Speaker 4: Moufon and the New.

14:35 Speaker 9: Paradigm Institute are two very different organizations doing a lot of the same work, and it's been very clear to us that there's strength in numbers. So we're finding ways that we can communicate and cooperate to the public and move this agenda forward as best we can. What we witnessed today in these hearings was what I believe is part of an organized role out that is being determined by people will never meet information being delivered in such a way that we're getting fed what we're getting fed, and there's very very little that any of us can do to change this narrative that is coming through us officially.

15:20 Speaker 9: And as much as I love and respect the people that were witnesses and that have come forward, they are harnessed and chained by their chain of command. They cannot say certain things, they will never say certain things. If it's up to these people that are doing this, we're never going to get the whole truth. But organizations like Muffon for years have been gathering cases, gathering information, finding proof. There is overwhelming evidence of these programs. There's overwhelming evidence of non human intelligence engaging the human race.

15:55 Speaker 9: There is overwhelming evidence of everything that these guys still have to sit and say, well that you know, I can't tell you, but we need to know.

16:03 Speaker 10: We deserve to know.

16:04 Speaker 9: And it's going to take the slow process of moving government along and supporting them in the way they have to do it, even though it's hard to watch sometimes but it is happening. But it's going to take the civilian groups, all of us, not only putting the knowledge out but also pushing the government to go further and so the truth. Anybody really that wants to get a handle on what's going on with this, the fact that there's been non human intelligence engaging us for the entire time we've existed on this planet, and that it's been covered up by every governing body over humanity from the beginning of recorded history until until now, and it's still being covered up.

16:47 Speaker 9: But this fact, anybody that wants to go out and do the research can gain access to the information because there's always been people leaking stuff and mixing it in with disinformation. But the truth is something that is easy to acquire if you take the time. But then we have to share it with the public and so move on. At the Mutual UFOE Network, since nineteen fifty five, we have done this work. We've compiled over one hundred and fifty five thousand case reports. We have seven thousand members, including active field investigators all over the world who right now are investigating UFO reports.

17:24 Speaker 9: We have state directors, we have chapters, and with New Paradigm's goal to increase public awareness and bring together community around this topic, because let's face it, when the non human intelligence reality sinks in.

17:39 Speaker 10: People are going to be like WHOA who do I call?

17:42 Speaker 9: And we want to be those people form that community around this new knowledge and help humanity to adapt to the new reality. Somebody has to do this, and so it might as well be us. It might as well be you, It might as well be me, It might as well be Moofon.

17:57 Speaker 10: It might as well be New.

17:58 Speaker 9: Paradigm, might as well be Steve Bassett, who's been doing this forever and so you know forever this Steve got me into this film. So at any rate, this alliance and this intention to move forward in a cooperative manner is unprecedented. And to say a little bit more about Muffon, I'd like to introduce you to Dave McDonald's who is MUFON's director.

18:22 Speaker 2: I'm giving you the honorary Fuzzy.

18:26 Speaker 4: Thank you.

18:27 Speaker 7: I am Dave McDonald and the executive director of Moufon. I can only mirror what you've heard already. Moufon's been around fifty five years, I think nineteen sixty nine, and it became because the Air Force shut down Project Bluebook, so there was no place for people to file their reports. The Air Force actually came to Moufon said here's the Forbes, here's a twelve step investigation procedure from the FBI, Go get them, and we have for all these years. Today we have the largest UFO database on the planet, one point two million pieces of evidence and the coin of phrase from one of my predecessors, quite famous.

19:18 Speaker 7: He said, the evidence is embarrassingly abundant. We have in our files medical reports signed off by the doctors who examined the bodies. These things go back quite a few years. Some of them weren't even living things. There are several of them that were androids. Think of data on Star Trek. We have the evidence, we have the drawings, we have sketches. It's just it's just so overwhelming. It's hard for people to say, now we're the only ones, you know, if we're the best that the creator could do, we should look for another creator.

20:04 Speaker 7: That's what one of the congressmen told me. I'm still laughing about it. So anyway, we're here today to stand in lockstep with groups with similar motives. We want to knock through this disclosure. It's got to come out. I'm one of those guys. I don't necessarily want to know everything the government knows.

20:26 Speaker 2: We may not need to.

20:28 Speaker 7: There are security issues in place, but for something that's monumental as the possibility of life besides us, come, my guys, it's time to let the world know.

20:40 Speaker 4: So that's my story.

20:43 Speaker 2: I'm sticking to it.

20:44 Speaker 7: Thank you all for being here and keep looking up.

20:53 Speaker 3: And now I'd like to introduce Steve Bassett of the Paradigm Research Institute and Hollywood Disclosure Alliance, which or other organizations with which we're working. And I just want to pay a special tribute to Steve, who's been here in Washington as the first ever lobbyist on these matters, who's been as tireless as anyone I know on this Domaine.

21:18 Speaker 11: Haven't actually achieved institute status yet. I've just Paradigm Research Group, but I just converted to a five ZHO and C three nonprofit think tank education and the website's going to.

21:28 Speaker 10: Reflect that very soon.

21:29 Speaker 11: First of all, as a registered lobbyist, I want to say that I have a new project. I'm going to lobby the Congress to train their members how to speak into the microphones.

21:38 Speaker 10: Okay, that's at least I can do for you. Okay.

21:41 Speaker 11: Now, there's two fake takeaways that I want to mention, and I'm going to turn this to next speaker. Maybe one of the most important things is this. You may have picked up on it. It also happened in the hearing a year ago. Several of the members made a very concerted effort to point out how non partisan is issue is. All right, they need to do that you don't see that in other hearings. Why are they doing that? Because they have figured out, and I know this for a fact, that this issue, which is the most non partisan issue on the planet, is maybe the pathway for.

22:16 Speaker 10: Them to work together again. And they are doing that. We're seeing it.

22:21 Speaker 11: You just do not detect almost any partisanship in this. And I got to tell you most of the members of these houses, the Senate in the House rather most of them really don't want to continue this way.

22:33 Speaker 10: They don't want to be in an endless death match.

22:36 Speaker 11: All right, They'd like to be able to work together, but they're kind of held out. This may be the pathway there. So that's one thing I want to point out. The second thing I want to point out this was something said by my new favorite congress person, Representative Nazi. That's Nazy cum Hell or high Water Mace. Okay, she's my new favorite member. There's going to be more hearings, you bet there are, okay, which means more witnesses are going to have a chance to speak. There's at least forty to fifty that have come forward in various ways.

23:05 Speaker 11: But there's one group of witnesses that has basically been shut out, and there's reasons for this, and we're going to do everything we can to get those witnesses before the coming hearings.

23:15 Speaker 10: And who am I referring to?

23:16 Speaker 11: I am referring to the men who started coming forward thirty years ago, who were serving at Sack Basis, some of them commanders in the silos with the responsibility and ability, given the right codes from the president to turn the keys that would launch nuclear.

23:33 Speaker 10: Missiles and destroy whole countries.

23:36 Speaker 11: They started coming forward to talk about the fact that our missiles were being shut down by craft huvering over the base, not once, not twice, but many times.

23:45 Speaker 10: Some of the most important wisness you can imagine.

23:47 Speaker 11: In fact, they're so important that the government said, you're too strong, too much, We just want to keep you away, and they just ignored them. And every effort they have made in those years has failed to get them in front of a hearing that has got to all right. And so the next person that I'm going to introduce you to is the leader of those individuals, along with Robert Hastings particularly, who has done everything he can documentary three books, press conference in Washington, d C. To try to get this issue before Congress that these things shut our missiles down, but they let us turn them back on.

24:23 Speaker 11: And so I want to introduce you today, Captain Robert Salas.

24:30 Speaker 4: Yep, sorry, let me mind you up right. Six.

24:33 Speaker 6: Thank you Steve, Steve, you're one of my heroes. I'll tell you that I first met Steve about twenty five years ago something like that, and he's invited me multiple times to his conferences here in Washington, d C. With the help of mister Hastings, we organized other conferences and I've done my own, but he's right thirty years ago

25:03 Speaker 6: thanks to Moufon. By the way, Moufon was the first group I turned to after I told my wife my story where I went public. I went public through a Moufon investigator who helped me request of the Air Force information about one of these incidents, which I thought was mine at the time. It turned out it wasn't mine. It was another incident which I wasn't really aware of, but it happened very similar circumstances, and that was what I called the Echo Flight incident. It happened on March sixteenth, nineteen sixty seven, and.

25:52 Speaker 4: Later realized it mine.

25:54 Speaker 6: Happened March twenty fourth, nineteen sixty seven, just eight days or later.

26:01 Speaker 7: UH.

26:01 Speaker 6: In addition, as I did more research and with the help of move On investigators, UH, and we acquired more information, more data from the Air Force UH.

26:14 Speaker 4: That they declassified.

26:16 Speaker 6: Let's be unbeknownst to them that this was about UFOs, because when we submitted the Foyer request, we said nothing about UFOs. But UH they started sending us a documentation after they declassified that first incident, and then I was able to UH make contact with other witnesses, et cetera. And as Steve said, a lot of those witnesses have been reluctant to come forward because they're afraid of consequences of stating what they know. UH. I myself signed a non disclosure agreement.

26:56 Speaker 4: UH.

26:57 Speaker 6: I went public on They thought that I could go public because I was receiving information about my incident, but I was mistaken. It was not my incident, and so but I decided to continue to speak out because of the importance and the need for the public to know. I think it's let me just summarize. Within the span of six months, thirty nuclear missiles were disabled by UFO objects thirty and not enough has been made of this publicly. I haven't seen this as a headline in any report.

27:47 Speaker 4: But my purpose.

27:50 Speaker 6: Is to inform the public on these incidents and others, to get those witnesses to come forward. I know many of them. I've got their phone number, addresses, et cetera, and I'd be happy to see them be invited to another hearing as well as myself. So I'm here for the duration. Believe me, I'll be here as long as I can stand and talk.

28:19 Speaker 10: Thank you, Oh thanks.

28:26 Speaker 1: When the when the UFO turned off the nuclear weapons that you were managing, what what was going through your head?

28:33 Speaker 4: What?

28:33 Speaker 1: What kind of messages that said the human race?

28:38 Speaker 6: Uh? Well that's two questions.

28:42 Speaker 7: Uh.

28:42 Speaker 6: My initial thought is that we were under some sort of an attack because of the reaction of the security guards upstairs. They had. We had about six guards upstairs, all pointing their weapon at this object is at Hubbard over our facility, and uh a man in charge upstairs, the main security guard was going natzius, shouting into the phone and very frightened. I was certain we were under some sort of an attack. However, after researching the subject for like I say, almost thirty years, I've come to the conclusion because there have been so many, and not only in our country, but in other countries of these types of incidents.

29:33 Speaker 6: I think this was more of a message from uh, let's let's just say it, extraterrestrial entities or non human intelligence, that we are very being, very, very foolish in holding these weapons of massive, massive destruction,

29:56 Speaker 6: and possibly I would engage in using them again, which would simply destroy every living thing on earth. And as you see, the threats of nuclear war even today are still with us. We shouldn't have to live under that kind of a threat. So the public does need to know this emphatically and give guidance to our government as to what to do about it, and not allow the government simply to decide this is another enemy and we'll shoot him down every opportunity we get. Okay, you bet.

30:46 Speaker 3: I just want to make a comment to underscore what.

30:51 Speaker 4: Bob just said.

30:54 Speaker 2: In the following way, Robert Oppenheimer.

31:02 Speaker 3: Reported that when the Trinity test site happened, he saw orbs in the sky and that the UFO phenomenon really was ignited there in New Mexico.

31:22 Speaker 2: And the people from.

31:25 Speaker 3: All over the world that have reported some kind of intelligible communication with the extraterrestrials, with the non human intelligences, almost universally report that they've been warning us that the development of nuclear weapons technology is a danger to ourselves, it's a danger to the larger planetary ecosystem, and it's destabilizing the harmony at least of our quadrant of the galaxy.

32:04 Speaker 2: And I think it's worth noting.

32:09 Speaker 3: That according to the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, the atomic clock started back in the late forties and early fifties by Einstein and Bertrand Russell and others who were concerned about the prospect of nuclear war. We are now at ninety seconds to midnight, according to those who understand these matters, were closer to a nuclear weapons exchange now than at any time in the history of the nuclear age, including the nineteen sixty two Cuban missile crisis. It should be of no surprise, therefore, that the frequency of UFO sightings and one of the comments made the hearing that they seem to be getting bolder.

33:04 Speaker 3: This isn't a coincidence. I think we're at a moment where we teeter on the brink of self destruction in many ways, including climate change, and the non human intelligencers are here, I believe ultimately to catalyze the awakening of humanity. And that's the reason why the New Paradigm Institute and MOFON are focusing certainly, for sure as we have today on government disclosure, but ultimately on citizen activism and citizen empowerment around the world.

34:00 Speaker 2: Because it is at that level that this is.

34:04 Speaker 3: Going to be adjudicated and resolved when the people of the world, en Moss, both compelled disclosure but establish their own relationships with these non human intelligences in an intelligible way.

34:25 Speaker 2: So, Bob, I just want to salute you for decades of service. And here's a man in contradistinction.

34:35 Speaker 3: To the hiding behind the NDAs that we just saw in the Congress.

34:41 Speaker 2: That didn't do that.

34:46 Speaker 4: He didn't do that.

34:47 Speaker 3: My friends, and we ought to all just acknowledge that courage and.

34:53 Speaker 2: Fortitude, right, and the others as well.

34:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there have been there had been many, many others as well. But it's just since we heard so much hiding today, we should salute the courage that steps out of those shadows and simply tells the truth.

35:12 Speaker 2: Because humanity has the right to know.

35:16 Speaker 3: I'd like to now introduce our final speaker, Julia Mossbridge, who's been dealing in the area of the paraphenomenal and consciousness. She's the founder and director of the moss Bridge Institute, and she's doing seriously interesting.

35:32 Speaker 2: Stuff on this matter of the paraphenomenal.

35:37 Speaker 8: Julie, thank you. Can you make this happen?

35:40 Speaker 9: I can.

35:44 Speaker 6: So to step up right about here?

35:46 Speaker 8: I don't want to what about there? Hi, everybody. I guess my job is just to give my reflections on the hearing. So as a scientist and as my family has been touched by the progress of science and controversial or edge science for as long as I've been alive. My father was a theoretical physicist at Argon National Lab. My mother worked at Gifted and Talented Education. Their parents were working for the Apartment of Energy. So this is like a family affair, and and that's part of why it matters to me.

36:22 Speaker 8: It also matters to me because I love science and what mister Gold said in the hearing today about that that the ecosystem of I'm paraphrasing, but that the ecosystem of scientists said, NASA really requires more transparency about the data and more data it's themselves to work with, I think is really powerful. And then when congress person started getting really philosophical. Did you hear the congress person who went over time and said, oh, she's not looking and he said what about Coonian Revolution?

36:54 Speaker 8: Like he didn't really explain his terms, but I just want to say what he was trying to say. What I think he was trying to say is that Thomas Kuhn, who wrote the Structure of Scientific Revolution, talked about how these edge cases, these anomalous phenomena that we cannot currently explain under the umbrella of our current theories, are really important in pointing us towards what might be true. So whatever's not fitting with your current theory is like a little hint from the universe about, hey, there's something here that.

37:24 Speaker 4: You don't understand.

37:25 Speaker 8: And that's edge science is understanding those anomalist phenomena and they conclude UAP. They include consciousness phenomena such as survival of death, telepathy, clairvoyance, precognition, psychokinesis, mediumship.

37:39 Speaker 4: They these kind of space time.

37:45 Speaker 8: Navigation systems that we don't understand. They include technologically advanced energy that we don't understand, and so what has been created. I think what he was saying is this scientific revolution has been stopped in its tracks because we've been discouraged from looking at these edge cases, these anomalous phenomena because of the stigma, but also because they sort of might maybe leave somewhere that's important and then maybe we're not.

38:11 Speaker 4: Supposed to get to.

38:13 Speaker 8: And it has created this ecosystem that's split. So you have the ecosystem on the one hand of the scientists at national labs who are working in this very rarefied space that have access to this information, and an ecosystem on the other hand at regular academic institutions and at maybe several companies that don't know that information and have been taught that, in fact, that information is a mark of someone being crazy, or a mark of someone being after something, some kind of an agenda. In other words, they've been taught to shame and blame anyone who works.

38:47 Speaker 4: With that information.

38:48 Speaker 8: So there's a it's a cultural thing that you're taught in graduate school explicitly to have a knee jerk reaction to those kind of things. At all the Tier one research institutions that get millions of dollars of federal funding, and so there's been this cultural split and it has to come together. And so in the world of science, there's this healing that needs to be done, just like in the world of politics, where these two branches have to come together so that Kunyan revolution can happen and we can look at those edge cases.

39:16 Speaker 8: And so I'm just gonna one of the things I was thinking about, and I hope it's okay that I plug this. I have an article in the Debrief, not written by me, but about my efforts on Monday about rise SO research and innovation at the scientific edge, which is something that I brought to Rant Corporation and had a conversation with them about it, and they said, this is too controversial, this idea of destigmatizing this stuff. We would need the White House to tell us this was okay, and I said okay. Then I went to DARPA and I said, what about this, and I said, too controversial, We would probably need the White House to I'm like, so I'm going to the White House and I want to develop an office in the Executive Office of the President, which is the same office that created the Race to the Moon, so it can very effectively with very people sort of from the bully pulpit, say like we are changing our attitude about edge science and technology and make public private partnerships that actually work towards and actually faith based institutions and nonprofits and small business that actually work towards healing this rift.

40:17 Speaker 8: So that's my I hope it's okay that I plug that.

40:20 Speaker 10: Thank you, thank you,