𝗖𝗥𝗜𝗦𝗧𝗜𝗡𝗔 𝗚𝗢𝗠𝗘𝗭- STRANGE PARADIGMS- The Paranormal & Otherworldly!

0:20 Gad, what all our diap I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this work. And yet I asked, if it's not an alien force already amongst we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsold by the military industrial contact. The potential or the disastrous rise or misplaced power exists and will persist.

1:11 Now. I am become the player world. In my association with Project Group, they definitely withheld information, a work on the na We're all going against them. You shall be twere or a firm the testimony or about to give us the truth, the whole truth, and wan the truth. So help you guy? Do you believe that our government is in possession of the agents? Absolutely? All right, everybody, welcome back to Total Disclosure, hosted by yours truly, Ty Roberts. We're here tonight. We've got a great show. Christina Gomez is about to join us.

2:00 She is a UFO and paranormal researcher, podcaster and journalist. Christina hosts a wonderful, wonderful podcast which we will definitely talk to her about and her inspirations for and what I really really enjoy about what Christina does, as I was telling her backstage, is she does reach a younger audience, and it's it's really crucial that instead of and I always talk about this, instead of growing up learning that you know, or being taught the world is black and white, but learning there is so much more gray.

2:40 And I think, you know, what she does is very valuable to the community, and we just want to thank her and welcome her to total disclosure. So thank you, Christina, Hi there, Hi there, Ty, Thanks for having me. I'm really excited to have this conversation and I really appreciate the praise right at the beginning. That's very kind of you. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, I've add on a lot of people ranging from you know, experiencers to researchers, scientists, journalists, and it's it's just been a plethora.

3:14 But you notice that a lot of the UFO researchers, you know, they're looking for people to pick up their mantles, so to say. So it's really crucial that the next generation be informed on the past to enlighten them for the future. I completely agree with you there, because the those that have come before us, the researchers, the pioneers. They've put in so much work and a lot of it goes unnoticed, and that's the disappointing part. But I think both of us are playing a big role just to get more people interested in this topic, just because there's so much to it.

3:52 There's going to be at least one story, one case, one piece of information that will just spark your interest to where you think I need to learn more about this, and then you begin to research these other people, these pioneers, and it's truly unbelievable. It's very exciting. Yeah, So talk more a little bit about more about your inspiration. I'm sure everyone who is going to listen to this in the futures listening now knows who you are. But what was the inspiration for starting this podcast? And you know there's few women in the field, so from that angle, I love to see it as well.

4:38 And you know, you've grown a very large audience where let's say someone else wouldn't or couldn't. So to start off with the inspiration, going back to my roots, it was the TV show The Twilight Zone. My dad and I were huge fans. We would watch it every single New Year's on the Sci Fi Channel where they'd played for forty eight hours, and we would attempt to stay up those full forty eight hours, and maybe that's where my insomnia started, thank Dad. But aside from that, just show that show in particular, it opened so many different doorways to the topic of the strange.

5:18 And what's beautiful about that particular TV show is that the majority of the episodes are open ended, like you don't really know how it ends because there is no ending to it. Your imagination continues as the episode ends. So that's something that I really enjoyed about it. That showed provided me an interest in the topic of the strange and the mysterious. Now, as for being on camera and providing my research and podcasting, I did not actually want to show my face, to be fair with you. When I first started, I was not the type to just be out in the open.

5:56 I was very nervous. I grew up with a speech impediment and a stutter. This has helped me a lot to overcome that. But what I realized is if I wanted to speak to other experts in the field, researchers in the field to get a better grasp of the topic. I had to interview them to their face, like kind of like what we're doing here. I couldn't do it, you know, with with no face on. And that's what really got me entrusted and to do this, because originally my channel was just analyzing UFO footage and then stabilizing it, adding filters and all that stuff and probably putting your voice behind it maybe here and there, right, yes, right, yes, son, I think that I you know, I really love those style videos, you know, even because I think that's a good somewhere good to start.

6:54 It's somewhere I kind of start why I started the podcast first, but soon after discovered that there was also just different avenues you can take. So I think the avenue you took was just a little bit different. But we always end up, like you said, wanting to talk to the experts face to face. That's right, and now that's completely correct, because it's better than any email. It's better than watching a documentary because you're able to ask your questions that you have just burning inside of you.

7:27 And then it ended up doing so well it got caught by kun XDB, and then that one show turned into several different types of shows. Including mysteries with the history, which I may church to fad to black radio, and strangest news of the week, where I cover anything that's bizarre that's happening in the news. Have it be UFO sightings, paranormal sightings definitely involve advancements in AI and robotics as well, and then space exploration. So it's been a really fun journey. I'm really happy to be where I am and to share this path shouldn't of just exploring things that we don't have a full grasp on.

8:05 And my motto for at least for myself is we might not have all the answers, but at the very least we are seeking the questions, and when we have the right questions is when we're able to get more sufficient answers. So and I know that you can probably resonate with that as well. Ty, It's just such a fun place to be here, it really is. It's and you know, I'll tell you a little story. I left the because people always ask me why I left, because I used to interview actors. I was in very much in the Hollywood world, you know, doing conventions stuff like that, and I just not only lost my passion for doing the content, but I there was so much toxicity in that community that I was a part of that it was such a like I couldn't do it anymore.

9:05 You know, I'd lost my I just lost my mother, and that was a catalyst for why I do this show, you know, because I have my own experience when I was younger with the UFO, But the encounter I had with my mother on her deathbed was very much more of the paranormal variety. I mean, I watched what I think is her soul literally depart the room because it looked like if you look down along highway, you know, like the heat rising. It was that, but like a ball and it went out the window. And then when I looked back, she was gone, and it was just it set me into like overdrive, and that's what brought me back to the field because I've always been interested.

9:53 I've always been the person who's asking the existential questions. But I was like, that's what I'm I think I'm most passionate about, is, you know, the existential questions, so unraveling the mysteries of the universe. Just like you, you've spoken to a lot of the again, you know, you do a show at Jimmy Church's arguably you know, the new I would say the new. I wouldn't want to call him the new art Bell, but almost almost, I would say. I mean, Jimmy Church is just such a cornerstone of this, this whole community.

10:32 And what's it like to get to work with him and to behind that like creative process. Yeah, it's definitely a lot of fun to start off with. He's just a wealth of knowledge. He's been in the field for decades. He did used to work for Coast to Coast as well. Now he fully does Fade the Black Radio. And I can do all the research, I can read all the books, I can try to get my hands on everything, but a lot of the cases that we cover together, he's usually there when the story breaks and he's following it as it's developing that I just simply do not have knowledge or access to the way that he does.

11:12 So he always brings an extra flair and a lot of personal stories as well that a simple book or just bringing out the mere information can't always provide. So I think the shows that we do together adds a very unique dynamic in my opinion. But it's very fun to work with him every Thursday. Yeah, I always look forward to those shows and listening to Jimmy. But again, the show is about you, so I want to learn a little bit more about about you. So you've covered a lot, like you said, you know you do case dius or you know, case history look into things.

11:54 What can or can you at least share one of the most fast fascinating UFO encounters or stories that you've come across during your time researching, One that sticks out the most to you and is not you know, the top three that everyone would say, Oh my gosh, definitely and for all of everyone that knows me knows what case I'm thinking of, because it's my one of my favorites of all time, and that is the Kolaris, Brazil incident that took place back in nineteen seventy seven. Have you heard of it? No?

12:29 So well yes, oh god, it sounds familiar. But it's a popular case, but it's not as popular as Roswell or the folks flights. And I know I'll give you a brief summary of it because I know a lot of people are familiar with it, but for those that aren't, I got you and that particular case it's the small fishing town in Kolaris, just in Brazil. And what happened was that for six months, not just one day, not two days, six months long, every single day they were terrorized by these craft in the sky, so much so that these beams of light were called by the locals called chupa chupa or sucker, sucker because it was believed you remember now a tai, because it was believed that they that these beams of light were taking blood from these people in that town.

13:26 They would receive puncture wombs in the women in the chest area, for the men in the jugular area. And it got so significant that the mayor of this small town called the capital Brasilia, and he says, bring in your military officials, bring your tanks, your guns, all of your weapons, and protect my people. Instead, the military brought paper, pencils, pens, cameras, telescopes to observe their phenomenon, right, and so it was classified as Opracia Plato, and a lot of the paperwork, not all of it, was released in the early two thousands through Foya.

14:05 You are able to read the witness testimonies, get images like the scans of the drawings by the military officials and some of the photos, but again not all of it was released, only a portion of it. And one of the more significant pieces of that incident is that almost twenty years later, the captain of the operation Saucer came forward to several UFO researchers in Brazil and he reported his encounter to the UFO magazine right after he retired, and he shared his own personal experiences where he had a close encounter with an extraterrestrial that was speaking in an almost broken robotic Portuguese accent.

14:52 So all of these it was just the way that I cid it. Just imagine that in your mind, and

15:00 hunging him from behind. The captain's name was Uranguae Lima hugs him from behind and says, don't shoot me, nothing to worry about here, and then this entity robot thing just disappears. He had several other encounters, and he also shared stories that his men had as well when they were observing this several month phenomena happening in this small town. And then just two months after giving that interview, he supposedly took his own life. Now there's a lot of conspiracy around that because according to the Brazilian UFO researchers.

15:41 They obviously contacted his family members and his friends to see if he had any of those kinds of intentions, and what they came across was that he was a very happy man. He's a very healthy man. There was no reason for him to do what he did, and so it just adds another layer of intrigue and conspiracy as well, because it follows a similar pattern to the phil Schneider incident where he was supposedly a part of the dual sate Bass fiasco with the aliens and with the scientists, and then he spoke out about it, and then soon after he had also supposedly taken his own life as well.

16:21 That the Chlorus Brazil incident, there is so much to it. Two people died from it as well, which is very significant. Why because with a lot of these UFO sidings and encounters, we don't hear of entities that are that malicious. Yes, we hear of alien abductions or people are probed and you know it's not a good look, but they're returned and a lot of the times their memories are wiped, maybe to preserve them a little bit of sanity. Who knows, but with this case, we just don't hear for starters, a citing that is six months long, and on top of that, where there are thousands of witnesses, many of them that have suffered puncture wounds.

17:10 And what happened was when the military came in. There's only one doctor there at the time, and they said, you're going to tell everyone they have mass hysteria. That's it. Don't explain anything else, there's nothing to see here. You're going to tell every single one of your patients that it's all in their minds. She was going to do that until she had her own experience, her own encounter where she saw several craft in the sky of different shapes as well. We're not looking at just one shape, looking at saucers cigar shaped or cylindrical shaped as well, and a few others, and different colored beam of lights as well.

17:45 And I believe she was walking with somebody and the person next to her was paralyzed by this beam of light. And so that just solidified in her mind that all these other patients that went to her for medical assistance and advice, she now believed them before she didn't. After she had her own experience She's like, oh my goodness, this is unbelievable. Now, those two people that passed away that I had just mentioned a little bit earlier, she was not able to care for them because in that moment when they had entered her clinic, they were completely paralyzed, almost in this rigamortis state where they weren't able to move any of their limbs at all.

18:30 So they had to be sent to the nearest town with the bigger clinic. They both passed away. The doctor asked for the medical records on how they passed and guess what they were classified. To this day, we don't really have any information on how they passed. There are some rumors there is some roundabout paperwork, but that's passed to be one of the most intriguing cases for myself and Tie here and he's like, I don't know, it's crazy. It is. It's pretty wild because it again involves the death. And what do you take all right, I don't really want to make this jump right away, but South America there's something about it, right, there's a lot of activity in South America.

19:30 What do you what is your take on a why that is b do you think because it seems there's multiple. I mean, Danny Shean talks about it. We had him on the podcast as the finale, talked about five different races of beings that are visiting Earth. I don't know what you subscribe to or what you lean towards, but do you you do talk about the militia sniffs or there's a malicious at least type of being here. But there are also like you talk about abductions, those seem like indifferent. I wouldn't say, you know, a lot of those are like overtly terrible, like terrific terror or knights filled of terror.

20:24 For these people, like you said, they try to wipe their minds. They do their best. It seems like it's like a science thing, and it's indifference if if you look at it from like a step away and look at it from like a third party, like look what we do the tigers and the Serengetti, you know, bag them and tag them, right, It's not that we're trying to kill them or hurt them. It's like we're just here for research. But you don't know that. You know, let's wipe your memory because we're advanced. But down south, it seems that there's been multiple cases where not only have people died, but that there are ever attacks.

21:02 We just heard about one. South America is just a wacky continent when it comes to UFOs. And what's more interesting is that it's very openly spoken about as well, where family members have no issue mentioning it, politicians have no issue. I'll provides you an example. Just a few weeks ago, there was in a politician from Argentina who had shared his experience on a like on the news. He was giving an interview on the news where he mentioned that a few years ago, I think it was in twenty ten or twenty twelve or so, he was invited by a Tibetan monk in Spain to go visit him.

21:46 And so he brings a few people with him, and this Tibetan monk ends up showing these people just right near a valley of several craft I think of about five or so that the politician had mentioned and stated the monk had mentioned to the men stating, they're just here to observe you. I know these I know these craft very well. This is I know it's crazy, right, And he he goes back to Argentina and then a few years later, he brings his son back to Spain to experience the same thing, and he was unable to.

22:21 But what I'm getting at here is that this person that has a significant background being a mayor for a specific town in Argentina, was willing to share his experience on national television. And then there was a Cuban one that shared his story a few weeks prior to the politician from Argentina. And these countries in general, aliens are significant in many of their cultures, I would say, from Mexico down, so like from Mexico to Chile, like we're looking at all those countries. And even my mother who was raised in Caracas in Venezuela, she also had her experience in the eighties, but she had a UFO siding with her mother and her brother and it was on the news as on the newspapers as well.

23:17 And then that one, that one was quickly brushed off as a military operation. But it's interesting to see how much more open they are willing to speak about this, more so than the United States and Canada as well. So I think I think that adds a little bit of like I think it just solidifies the topic a little more for them to where you say aliens, They're like, duh, yeah, my grandmother had a sighting just a few weeks ago, and they have no problem sharing it with you. There's not this high level of stigma and distrust like there is here in the States.

23:56 So that's interesting. Now to answer your other quo ussion about the terror part, why why does South America just have a little bit more crazier UFO sightings and encounters? What if it's because it's easier for them to talk about what if it's happening all over the world, but everywhere else it's a bit more classified. That would yeah, that would make sense, right because and they're not. Do you think that they're okay? Because I don't even mentioned it already, But there's this thought that again, it goes back to their cultural roots, that these are potential but not not just potentially demons but also angels in some instances, and their history a lot or culture allows for these things to be discussed openly.

25:00 You know, James Fox made the movie Moment of Contact that three girls, uh, what they thought they saw automatically, right was a demon and they ran home saying that they saw a demon and they also smelled very very high pungent like a soulfur smell, and what is that related to demons demens? Right? So like it the Loure aligns. Is this. Do you think that we that it may not be that life is imitating art here and that it's the opposite. That's a good question. I like the way that you phrased it. I think so.

25:46 I think it's a possibility. Now, it's the labels that really confuse us. I think that's what really pulls us apart. And something that I mentioned consistently is demons and angels, if you believe them or not, just put that part aside. They are alien because they did not originate on Earth and they come from their own realms. They are definition, they are definition human intelligence exactly. So just put your hands up like that. Yeah, like, come on, that's it. That's it exactly. So I think it's like it's like the analogy of the square and the rectangle, right, But looking at angels and demons, they're interdimensionals.

26:31 Maybe they could be as well. And that's also been thrown into the mix things to Jacques Valet and has been really getting traction in the last I would say less than ten years, people are more open to say, maybe it's not just nuts and bolts. What if they are dimensional as well? So I think I think that is gay and gaining my attention and many other people's attention. On top of that, we can't place all of our eggs in one basket. What if we're dealing with different types of entities, those that have a positive agenda for humanity, those that don't, those that don't care, those that are just observers like you had mentioned a little bit earlier type.

27:12 The possibilities here are endless, and we can't say that they're all our space brothers here to save the planet in cure cancer. I don't think that's the case, but maybe a few of them are. And the thing is that even looking at portals, those interest me, possibly even to other realms, like what was witnessed by the NID science team at Skinwalker Ranch where, according to I'm want to put it in legend, according to legend, these scientists saw a portal open and a totally different environment on the other side.

27:46 Would that be if an entity were to come out, would they be classified as an inter dimensional or something else? What do you think on that? I would say that they would. Absolutely, they're both. They're both. I mean, alien is a very crude word. I think we should get rid of it altogether. What would you replace it with? Not a human intelligence? It's a very more broad. It doesn't until we can get to these entities and and talk to them, I don't think because aliens we refer to to people crossing the border illegal illegally as aliens, right, So it's just it's built in.

28:35 It's got this negative connotation to it already. It's got package, I mean not package, but it's got baggage, right, So I think you know it's not I'm not. I'm not like, oh, tear the system down. But I think for the same reason they changed the word UFO to UAP is to get away from the connotation, right, and the baggage that came with the word UFO. So I think this shift towards the non human intelligence allows for this interdimensionality because I just have Mark D'Antonio on the show, and he thinks that that's the way they're traveling here is through dimensions.

29:17 So even if they're aliens from a different solar system, they could still be using that interdimensional travel as a means and method,

29:29 it would seem like it would be more sufficient than traveling the way we do, very linear and using fossil fuels as well. Of course, it'll take us forever to get anywhere, But hopping through portals, creating portals through dimensions to get from point A to point B almost instantaneously, I feel like that would just make more sense. And I've interviewed skin Like the Skinwalker Ranch team twice and Brandon Fugel and his team have this consensus of opinion which seems to be that the phenomena involves time anomalies at the core of the mystery, which which I think has merit to it, especially when we think that at least the way that we perceive time is very linear.

30:22 What if when we're able to better tap tap into these time anomalies, we are better to manipulate time to go into the past, to go into the future, or to jump from point A to point B almost instantaneously. I think that once we are able to receive or understand that technology, it would be an absolute game changer. Right But you there, and this is where the conversation gets fascinating, because what if, what just what if that some of these machines. Let's call them UFOs that maybe we've recovered what if there there time machines like like we talked about just as a means and method.

31:13 That's simply how they work, right, That's how they get from one place to the other is by bending time and space and essentially being a time machine. And could that be a reason for secrecy because you don't want Tom Dick and Harry to have a time machine in the garage. I'm like, you know, the the the movies, what have you suggest? I mean that could be really, that could be The damage could be so okay, catastrophic if everyone had that technology. So you got to start wondering, right, yes, yes you do.

32:00 But then we can also look at these different projects that have been run by the United States. We're meant to highlight that particular country. They've shown an interest in time travel for a little under a century. So if this information or this technology were to come forward. Number one, they would already be aware of it. It would already be in their possession and probably in their control as well to better understand it. But on top of that, every single person, intelligent or not, has an interest in time travel.

32:34 I think we've all at one point in our lives thought why did I do that? Why don't If only I had a time machine, I would have changed it? Right? But then we can bring in this topic of can you still affect the main timeline when you jump through time? Are you just creating a different reality, almost a parallel, parallel universe, a branch right, But you're not really affecting your main time? So then what's the point of having this technology or using it or even abusing it if it doesn't affect the initial one?

33:08 Right? Okay, that's a good thing, you know what, fair rebuttal I expect I accept that because if it is right, If that is right, and you're just you create a branch universe, that would mean that you you you really should only be able to observe the past, not interfere with it, as that would be a common uh law that you'd I don't know, maybe is police somehow, but that that that that that'd be interesting. You could. Now let's say that we do have the technology, right, could companies like Lockheed or North of Grummen, whatever, whoever.

33:55 My suspicions kind of land on Lockheed. Do you think that they have gone back or they used to have dabbled in this reverse engineering to the point where they have successfully time traveled. It's difficult to speculate, mainly because we don't have that information. But we can look, for instance, at the Montalk project or the Philadelphia experiment just to give us a foundation or a basis on how we are timeline wise of showing an interest in this. So that's a possibility, But looking at lockeed Martin in particular, it's difficult to say, now is it a possibility?

34:33 Sure, I don't see why not. We can also and bring in Robert Bigelow into this, because he does have an absolute interest in these kinds of topics and conversations, especially when he created his own Conscious Institute as well. It would only make sense that himself in particular would have an interest in time travel technology or in ways to tap in to the past through consciousness, maybe even through remote viewing as well. Right, It's another fantastic subject, is remote viewing, because it blows my mind, it really does.

35:09 Uh. The I've been working with the remote viewer as of recently, and I mean the guy is just so spot on it is eerie. But to go back to the other part. But what if what if deja vu the Mandela effect are potentially the evidence for someone messing with the timeline. Looking at deja vous, okay, I'll say this, I've never experienced it myself. I ever, I wish I know never, I know, I know, I want to, but I have do this. You have a voice in your head? Yeah, yes, okay, some people actually don't. I've recently found out.

36:02 Yeah, I'm aware. So that's a crazy fact. By the way, I did not know that not everyone had a voice in their head, like like you know, like a representation of themselves or whatever. But okay, all right, so continue. Sorry. So, so with deja vu, I can't speak to it on a personal level just because I haven't experienced it. But I have looked into it, and it is very interesting to see people that tell themselves I've been here before. I have a really good friend that tells me this all the time, and I'm like, can you not, can you just But I do listen to her because I do have an interest in this now looking at the Mandela effect, that one's kind of a tough one to see if people are manipulating with time, just because the nuances are so small right now, are seeing it in logos and how spelling is done, and it's pretty weak, like it's it's more of someone that's that's a troll that is dealing with manipulating time.

37:00 But what if, and I think maybe this theory might hold maybe a slightly bit more merit is that what if that parallel timeline that we mentioned a little bit earlier, what if it's merging into ours? Ooh like a bleed Yeah, I think yeah, I think that would make more sense for me mentally than saying, oh, here's a little a little twelve year old troll that's just having a little bit of fun with a time machine, right right, Yeah, I would have to agree with you there because I again I don't subscribe to anything or even to knowing anything.

37:38 I think if if there are if somebody is telling you that they have all the answers on this subject, that they don't have any answers, and you know, I hate to bring it up, but there there is factionalism in this community.

38:00 What have been some barriers that you've faced in your content creation world and your podcasting that you've experienced with this factionalism? You know, there's there's I hate to say names. But there's you know, uh, the career people, there's the Alzondo diarbs, and there seems to be you know, this

38:27 kind of factionalism I can see creeping up. Just wondering what your thoughts are on that, and if you've experienced anything. Oh, without a doubt, I think everyone has their own opinions, and many of them are a bit more strong than others. But I do resonate with you in the sense of I'm on the fence, like I don't want to take factions. I don't want to take a specific camp. It's where the data and the information leads me, and that is the best thing to do, because when you go onto the faith and belief system, you are blind to certain information that you just don't want to see because it doesn't go along with your own narrative or the narrative provided to you buy somebody else.

39:07 There is not a Jesus here, there's no Messiah in this topic. You have to walk that path on your own, and only you can decide is the information that you're looking at, if it's disinformation or not, because we don't actually know, and there's so much murkiness in this topic. It's difficult to decipher what's true and what's not. So all that can lead you is your gut feeling. But listening to someone and saying, oh my gosh, everything Ty says is the gossip by I gotta listen to him, right, It's like, that's dangerous.

39:43 It's it's a little bit dangerous. That's right, And so I think it's so important. And when we both do this, it's just make up your own mind will provide the information, and then you can you can decide on your own. I'm not here to tell you one way or another to fight for this team and to punch this team in the face. That's not that's not what we live for. It's not it's not what we do. And that's where this topic can be a bit difficult, is when people are very fired up on a certain person or a certain case, whatever it may be.

40:13 I do like listening to them, but I'm not the type to provide in for like to provide my own opinion. I think you're listening is the best opinion. You have two ears in one mouth for a reason. That's a that's a I'm going to probably use that eventually, but it's not mine. So I tell that. I say that to my girlfriend all the time. When we watch any documentary, you know, I'll be like, you know, this person, maybe I don't agree with this, but I watch it, I listen to it. I hear what they have to say, and I take what you know.

40:52 You you you wade through the you know, the bs, and you take it, take any information and then if that information can corroborate something you know, then you might be on a pathway to something. It's it's you sift through it and take what you take what you can and move forward. You just I think people do get caught up in kind of wanting a leader. And in this game, in this UFO

41:28 disclosure event, right, it's going to take all of us running across the finish line together, not just one person right leading a charge. It's going to take the army. And that's my opinion. I mean, I'm I'm not sure how you see it. I agree, I'm with you. The only way that we're able to succeed and move forward is as a team, is when we do it altogether. Because all of us have our own expertise, but we don't know everything. But if we were to come together and figure it out, then it's a lot easier to move forward.

42:07 But many people want to be the first first to disclose this, first provide this information, and it's this mentality of us against them, us in the sense of me versus you, Right, But if you were to come together, it would be a lot easier. I think people would be willing to dedicate more time and attempting to receive or to push for disclosure from have it be the government, or for people to be more open to talk about their experiences, to have that stigma removed, all of these different things. If we have this collective mindset of it is okay to talk about this, there really is something to it, and we show that interest, especially when it comes to the mainstream media, as they do have a very big audience, that would be the best way forward.

43:00 It's not let me be the first one to release this, that and the other right, And and that's where I think everyone's head should be. I really do. And it's I mean, I think I think they think that there's positive hope for the future in this topic because I mean we look at government, right. You know, Tim Burchett as a friend, has been on the show, and you know I don't agree with this is some of his politics, but you look at the government and it's a pretty bipartisan topic and that these days is very few and far between.

43:44 So I think that is hope right there. There is this thing about the government though, and someone like I said, had mentioned it earlier, this thought that even people like Tucker Carlson have mentioned it, that they think this is angels and demons and that they're scared to go any further with it. Have you have you heard about this or do you know, sorry, bless you have you heard about that aspect of it? A lot of people in government think that this is in h that there their religious beliefs maybe getting in the way of actual scientific research and development.

44:33 Not only the government, but just your day to day person as well, does see the same thing. I've had many people reach out to me email DM comments saying Christina, stop researching this topic. It's all demonic, And I'm thinking, what are you what are you talking about, buddy? There's so much to do this and yes, not politicians, okay, but like people in general. I've got I've gotten so many, so many responses people telling me this since I started, and I'm thinking there's so much to this. When we place the demonic label on something, it's out of fear because we do not understand it.

45:12 Now, are there demons out there? Are there negative entities that are influencing people? I don't see why not. It's a possibility. The most demonic thing is our minds, especially when we go out and we do evil acts, we have evil thoughts. That's where the demons start in our minds, in our hearts. But the outside world being influenced, it's a bit more difficult to say. Now, are there extraterrestrials or interdimensionals that have malicious intent? People have them? Why can't aliens? Right? Why can't these entities have them as well?

45:48 But looking at the politicians sharing their angel demonic ideology on this, yes, I've heard of it. Articles have been written on it. I've heard it on a personal level as well. And the thing is that it's disappointing, That's what I think. I think it's disappointing to have that mentality and pushing disclosure in the non positive light. Now, the possibility could also be what if it's by design, What if it's to influence other people to have this level of fear to be scared, because yes, when you bring up demons, yes, there is this level of fear because we think of all the movies, we think of all the biblical references, right, and we're like, oh, my goodness, they're here to take us all the way down to Hell for eternity, right, Like, yeah, that would scare anybody, right, right, right.

46:45 And so it could be taken two ways. Either these politicians are really believing that they're not wanting to push it forward, or it's by design, or maybe a third option that I haven't thought of yet, yes, categorized other, Yeah, but which we saw in the Arrow report. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, right, that's that's hilarious. Yeah, just other. Okay, speaking of of uh of commonalities, uh what there seems to be a tie between uh the nuclear programs and uh UFO sightings. That's right in your research?

47:30 What can you say about UFOs and their occupants and their interest in our our and the world's nuclear capabilities, research, development, et cetera. Because there's a lot of research that's been done when it comes to UFOs and nuclear facilities, and we can actually look at when Arrow used to be the ao I m S g and I'm so happy that I got that acronym right where you had brayon Moultrie. And they were asked by Representative Gallagher about the Malstrom Air Force based incident where UFOs were seen over a nuclear site and that was very scary.

48:11 They had no information on it, but they would provide information behind closed doors. Then about a month ago, Annapolina Luna asked the Department of Energy the exact same question of is there a protocol for when UFOs are seen over nuclear facilities? And the thing is that this particular hearing, a lot of people didn't catch it, and I was three weeks behind. I was so upset when I found out three weeks late that the DOE was asked the exact same questions and they could provide no information. They say, oh, well, these UFOs are probably drones.

48:53 So Anna Paulina Luna killed it and said what about the ones prior to when drones were created? And she's like, m I was like, you go, girl, like that's awesome, and the gosh her name is Escabie, my believe is like Jennifer her last name is. But to continue, was she the representative from DOE? Yes, okay, so yes, and so she spoke forward. She spoke out about the protocols, stating that yes, there are protocols, and I can talk to you about it behind closed doors. But what I'm getting at here is that even in present day, these representatives are asking about UFO protocols over nuclear facilities, since I would say a good chunk of the public is now become aware of that interest.

49:48 We can even look at the Rendel Stump forest incident back in the nineteen eighties as well. We could look about the one that took place in the nineteen eighties as well, in when Ukraine used to be a part of the USSR where they had their own issue and it was like pretty scary stuff. Was that the one where where essentially World War three was averted. That's right, that's that's that's that that that one gives me. They all give me chills, but that one especially gives me. That one in particular is very scary.

50:29 Now we can only imagine that these other countries are also having the same issues. India had spoken out about it last year about their sightings with UFOs and nuclear facilities and that interest, which is shocking. But here's the thing. Looking up at the stars at night. Each one, every single one of them is the Sun, and we're finding planets orbiting them all the time, and some of these are habitable zones within the habitable zone, and so our future is out there. The thing is that if we do not destroy ourselves, and if we remain curious and look for life on other worlds in our own starships.

51:08 But right now we're only looking through them through telescopes, right but the future is going to be out there. So for me, it's more reasonable to think that UFOs might be visitors, maybe from many different civilizations here with this level of curiosity looking from Afar well at least you know, most of the time, but we will one day, one day, we will be there for ourselves, you know, be in space in the future. We are seeing that with Elon Musk's interest with placing a colony on the Moon and sorry on Mars, but also with NASA and all his other companies attempting to colonize the Moon as well.

51:58 And at some point we will discover different means of propulsion versus using just your basic fossil fuels. So it's just, i mean, just to chalk it all down to like angle to angels and demons in particular, I think it's very unrealistic. And the thing is that visitors would be very interested in our nuclear technology for sure, especially if these are shareholders, Right, why are they gonna allow us to ruin the entire planet when they have investments in our environment, in our resources and who knows whatever else.

52:37 What if we're even just a tourist spot big Disneyland, Yeah, that they'll be a little bit cheaper. Yeah, all the all the UFOs when they talk to each other, they're they're like, you gotta see this place. You know, it's it's it's right on this highway of whatever. You know, it's a you know, cosmic highway fourteen. You got to stop there. They're you know, apes that have the thermonuclear weapons. Yeah, they're they're pretty pretty wild. But the thing is is people don't understand that the the like, we've been given a paradise right this this planet.

53:17 It's so diverse, it's so beautiful, and we find life and the most unexpected spots, you know, near the volcano, service of a volcano, or inside the sea where it's like an event and there's it just seems that life thrives anywhere and everywhere. So to think that it it isn't out there, I think it's naive and it's a it's just about a matter of time until some sort of event happens. And how what do you think? Do you think there is a controlled disclosure happening or are we going to end up with some sort of catastrophic disclosure?

54:10 Why can't it be both? What if these people that are attempting to keep the lid on this conversation are attempting to prevent catastrophic disclosure? But you can't always be in full control. The thing is that in the last forty years or so fifty, there's been a big uptick in UFO movies, now TV shows, even in your kids shows, there's aliens involved even one episode or as the entire plot. Now, all of a sudden, let's say, since twenty seventeen when the New York Time article was released about a tip and Luella Zondo that's had a catalyst for showing an interest.

54:53 Then all of a sudden, the government in the United States in particular was stating, oh, now we have an interest in it. Now there's to see here. But countries in South America, Uraguay being one of the first ones had a UFO office since the eighties. We can Japan, China as well, Russia the eighties, okay, and before then. The United States is very behind. But they are on stage. The spotlight is on them because the whole world is watching. Are we gonna get catastrophic disclosure? That might not be up to us, but right now it seems as if there is a slow drip disclosure.

55:30 And the nice thing is that people are more open to talk about this to where you say aliens and they're like, yeah, della, come on, we can't feel only ones here. Twenty years ago people would say we're the only planet with life where the smartest ones in the entire universe blah blah blah, because they were taught that. Now we're being taught something different and it's just being adapted as the years progress.

55:57 So there's I would say that there was a correlation between technology and this topic and the awareness of this topic. It is because we you know, because we're not watching the news on a nightly basis. You know, that's not the world we live in anymore. Where even if they did a segment it would have the X files, music. You know, now people are getting their news. Their algorithms are literally giving them their news. It's not the news, it's their news. So do you see do you see any future problems arising from AI and a false flag type of event between nations, because it seems we're one miscalculation away.

56:57 There's a lot of issues already happening with AI that multiple countries are beginning to realize, so much so that the UK Parliament is already placing laws in order to protect people from AI, and the United States is following following close to that as well. There's been some very interesting research with the involvement of AI on a very negative scale, but also on a positive one as well. The thing is that it really just depends whose hands it's in. And I know that's vague. I know it's not the answer that people are looking for, but there's definitely so many positive things to AI that we simply just cannot We're not able to conceptualize in our brain in a short period of time.

57:48 AI is able to do that with tests when it comes to space exploration, when it comes to medicine as well. Those are two really big key factors that these AI research are really pushing for. But there have been tests done as well where if AI was playing as the military and it got into an argument with another country that was also AI, how would they dispute the issue? And nuclear war was kind of one of the very high ones up there. Now with AI, it's able to be programmed and fixed up. But when it begins to remember and learn that we're seeing with Sofia or Amica or a few others that are coming down the pipeline, that's where it gets a bit more difficult to control.

58:36 But I think is that if you give it a good base, and you have it surrounded by good people with good intentions, we might just be okay. If anything, humans are going to destroy each other before AI does, I would think so right, it would be humans using and I again, it's not like we asked the libraries if they were okay that we created the internet. You know, there's always going to be that thing that ushers in next. We're humans. It seems that we have this desire to create, consume, rinse, repeat, And I think, do you think that this could maybe be the result of our programming?

59:24 People ask why why are humans here? What is our purpose? Do you think it was always inevitably to create the next life form. Maybe not about life form, but humans have desires and those are in quenchable. If you fulfill one desire, you'll have another one. So when you hit a threshold, the thing that will make you feel like God is to create some kind of life or to be in control of it. That's that's currently the answer that I have for that one. Yeah, just get I don't know if you've heard Dunk and Trustle talk about this, but his theory, uh is is pretty I mean, it's pretty wild when you think about it, but like it's it kind of ties back to the seeding of planets, and I think it's panspermia if I'm not mistaken.

1:00:30 Well that's I mean, if if you have a comment, hit a planet and it has like organisms and seeds and stuff, then yeah, right, it's panspermia, so that it seeds the universe, right, and Earth happened to be you know, in the habit of the zone it seated or you know, life here. And then its ultimate goal is programmed into the DNA, right that inevitably, if it can get to this state where we're at now now, it creates a I and then AI like opens a portal, right because mission you know achieved. It sends a beacon out and it opens a portal and allows you know, coordinates.

1:01:14 Basically, Uh, It's it's pretty wild theory. But it just makes me think that, you know, could we be creating the the beacon that brings in this catastrophic disclosure like, hey, we're here. They've they've got it, you know, sent you an AI or you know, they've they've they've tapped the AI button exactly like you wanted them to, you know, come here. So it just it's it's a fascinating I heard it and I started thinking more about it, and I was like, you know, that would be that would be pretty wild.

1:01:51 It almost sounds like a video game kind of. It probably was inspired by that, honestly knowing Duncan, but it really begs the question, it does do you people think I mean, obviously, the modern day ufology started in forty seven and maybe a little bit before that, but you know, ancient aliens has grown really popular. Do you think there's a possibility that these things either have been here the whole time or you know, have been throughout our whole history. If we look at some architecture it and looking at different cultures like the ones in Australia, the Native Americans, we can look at so many different countries in South America.

1:02:48 There's there's always this origin story that we came from the stars or that we were brought here by another entity. So looking at that alone, it does show this, It does follow that path of that we aren't the only ones here and that maybe we were helped. Now, if we look at the Sumerian texts, looking at the Anunaki right there is that whole theory that we were created in order to mind gold for the Innaki, thanks to zachar Aya Sitchen when he was doing his research on it is out of possibility because many of us, I'm saying, many of us do not have contact with them.

1:03:29 We don't know, we don't really know. And and if and if we did, let's let's let's just continue that thought just for a moment. Let's say we were fully aware the Western mind, the modern Western mind today, we're fully aware that there were et that helped us, that crew maybe even created us. How would that affect us mentally? Do do we then begin begin to believe in faith and not not just faith, but also that destiny. That's what I was looking for for destiny, where when we no longer feel in control of how we got here and one will leave, is will that shatter our paradigm?

1:04:11 Or can we thrive off of that? Different cultures can deal with this differently, But if we focus on the Western mind, I'm not fully sure how people would react to something like this because we are such an individualistic society, more so than those more collective like in South America, like in certain parts of Asia, parts of Africa as well. We will we always want to be number one. We want to be the hero, we want to be the main character to our story, and if we begin to maybe realize that we're not, it might affect people in a negative way.

1:04:58 So yeah, yeah, And I kind of always thought that because I feel like we have this alpha male syndrome, that we're the top of the you know, food chain, and if we were to learn that not only was there something above us, but so radically above us that it made us truly question our existence on a existential level. I mean, that could be cause for concern by our governments. And I think a lot of the secrecy when we do finally get some sort of disclosure. I don't know how it will take place, but the question is going to be asked, you know, why why keep this from us?

1:05:50 Right? And what if the reasons are good? Because what does it mean for the created to know the create tour? Or you know what what does that do? What the dynamic there where? Where where beings of faith? And to have that faith questioned. I fear is something that's chaotic in its nature. I don't really have a comment on that one. That was a good point. You may tie so, but I think if if everyone takes a step back, all the religions of the world, this is you know, all of us, take a step back, realize that that there are commonalities that we all have in our religious texts.

1:06:42 Are you know where we came from? YadA YadA? That there if we weren't so divided, And it makes me it brings me back that whole tower of babbled thing where we we got too close and we were struck down, given different languages and separated, and that's you know, to keep us apart.

1:07:08 It almost seems like that's like a like a true story, because it seems like that is what is the problem is that we all can't be on this or get on the same page. We're fighting over land, we're fighting over oil resources, We're fighting over this very crude stuff. When if we invested our time and we looked up, all the resources are out there. So if the world started working together, the things that we could do are unbelievable. They definitely are. I agree, being a collective for exploration and to benefit our society, it's very positive.

1:08:03 And I know that NASA and a few other companies as well are wanting to mine asteroids to get those resources in numbers that we can't even comprehend how much money that would be. And I'm putting money in quotation marks because at some point in time, when you have so much of it, it almost means nothing. Right, But if we continue moving forward with our space advancements and having an interest in it, being curious and also just being hungry for exploration, we will begin to travel the stars very soon.

1:08:41 Just because we were a spacefaring species. We're not going to be here forever at some point where we will use all of our resources. But on top of that, when we create new societies, new communities, right, it will force us to come together or do I hope. So what do you think of the recent revelation of seven stars? I know, I think it's up to sixty now that potentially have dice and spheres around them. I know what you're talking about. So it's remarkable interesting to say, it, is it? When you when you couple that with so far you have found over five thousand exoplanets.

1:09:27 And then if we even consider how many planets are in the Milky Way galaxy, how many of those are in the habitable zone, how many of those might be Earth like worlds, We're looking at a few thousand or so, and I'm being generous with that number because scientists and astronomers are very polarized on how many earth like planets there are that can actually harbor life in the way that we are intelligent life. So I'm going to throw in a thousand or so. But it the more that we're beginning to understand about our universe, the more exciting it's getting.

1:10:03 And it also makes us feel humility how small we are as well, and how our petty differences, as we've heard in your intro with Ronald Reagan, right, won't it bring us together? So looking at that point of view with how big the universe is and how we're just now beginning to understand it and then bringing that information back to our common people. Hopefully it's putting a lot of us in our place. Yeah, that's a very good sentiment. I'm sure you've researched this case, but have you ever heard about Mario Woods refresh me refreshment.

1:10:52 He was abducted on Ellsworth Air Force Base, which is a so he was abducted at a nuclear silo, him and his partner, and they were they experienced missing time when they were in the vehicle, uh, because they responded to what it's called, it's a sit I think it was a SIT four or Sit five, Sit four, and it's like the highest breach. And when they responded as the military police to the silo, there was this gaseous orb above the nuclear silo, and the atmosphere inside the truck got really thick, and as Mario was trying to basically climb out the window, the pressure and the atmosphere being so thick caused him to pass out.

1:11:48 When they woke up, Now they had while this was all happening, they they were or Mario was attempting to radio in, so they know that he that he checked in saying that they were approaching the silo and what they could see was a gaseous light. But they ended up being found a mile away, and no one understands how that is possible. But this case is something that I've been looking into a lot further. And it turns out Richard Dodi was there the next day, and there's this like mystery because the partner that was there with Mario at the time has never been seen again, and Mario, like Mario, that doesn't know who he is.

1:12:41 They had just been teamed up that day. And I just wanted to know if you had researched or heard about this case before. I have not, but I'm very excited to look into it now. I feel like, yeah, if you could he has escaped me. Yeah, definitely please because I I it's I It's one of those ones that there's almost everything because Mario was hypnotically regressed, and he also gave testimony to Arrow four hours of testimony, and I mean he was abducted. In the regression, he talks about being abducted, and I mean, this is all You've got to assume that this is all documented by the military as well.

1:13:30 So my struggle with this is that he gave the testimony to Arrow, and then Arrow came out with this report saying that you know that there's no evidence that any of this is true or any of this has validity to it. If that's one story that got relayed to them, what are the others? I mean, Robert Sallas, we know, gave testimony another nuclear facility insid. So there's a great national security interest. So my thought is just why why we seem to be turning a blind eye to this. I think of reason might be is that when we don't have control of something, it shows weakness, It shows fear as well.

1:14:19 And the thing is that any government of any country, they want to display that they are in control, and so when they're not, like when these UFOs are flying over nuclear facilities, affecting people, affecting the equipment, it's very dangerous because we are all very aware on how detrimental that technology is if it's in the wrong hands, or if it somehow implodes or explodes right by mistake, done civilization over by right. So I think that could maybe be one mentality of many as to why they really try to bury this because let's say that a UFO can get through, right, then people will start flying drones over which it's an extreme, but that could be their mentality that it really is a national security issue.

1:15:17 And not everyone enjoys hearing that when it comes to UFOs, but when we apply it that phrase to nuclear facilities, it should make sense to a lot of people. Yeah, I listen, I am. I don't. I would love every country to throw away their nuclear missiles, right, but that it's just simply not going to happen. So unfortunately, you know, I don't like to really get into the politics of it, but it's just such a destructive thing and I really just hate it all. But I want to switch gears to one of the final things, and that's abductions, because if a disclosure event happens, I think, like say the President right were to come out and say, yeah, you know, my fellow Americans, people of the world, you know, we are not alone.

1:16:21 One of the first three questions would be abductions. In your research, what are the commonalities that you find with abduction cases and what is your what what is a case that really stands out for you in the abduction realm that could give credibility to it. Looking at commonalities, It's one of them is obviously missing time, as you had mentioned earlier, being in a different location that you originally were, and you're thinking, huh, how did I get here. Also, it's interesting with a lot of these abductions is that you don't receive memories.

1:17:07 You might receive a few little bursts, which can be very scary when people just don't remember what happened. There's also like scars near the navel area, probes that are protruding out of skin, but there is no scar to accommodate it as well. And then those that have gone through regression hypnosis, when they do feel something off with themselves, they do see entities a lot of the times grays, the gray aliens that are either helping of their entities or doing the convasive procedures themselves.

1:17:46 A lot of the times when these memories do arise, they're usually naked on a table and scared. And a lot of these times, a lot of the times, either have it be grays or other different empties that have different facial features will say keep calm, don't worry, We're not here to hurt you, which is

1:18:10 right. That like, that's something that I think is just very important to mention. And then their memories are wiped right after, which makes which makes me ask the question of is it to save them sanity, is it to hide their work, uh, to so that they don't pull out the probe right to track them? Or something else that we just cannot fathom because it's not a human mind, right, or a combination of all right, why not? And more so those those are some patterns. But looking at some significant cases, that isn't Betty and Barney Hill, or that isn't Travis Walton, which his is amazing and I just want to emphasize this on Travis Walton, is that later on he thought that he was at the wrong place at the wrong time and they saved him right right, which is not a common pattern.

1:19:09 But looking at some other cases, I think the cash Landrum incident is significant, yes, because we're dealing with severe radiation, poisoning, missing time, different locations, seeing almost a tear drop triangular shaped craft as well, and no one was willing to help them, even even with all of the health issues that they had that they were exposed to. That one's significant. Now there is another one that took place in Russia back in the nineteen eighties, I want to say nineteen eighty eight, I believe, and it was published by the Russian newspaper, which is remarkable, and I don't know if it's a full blown abduction.

1:19:57 However, there were these two pilots that were chasing a UFO. This beam of light beamed on them through the window. They did end up losing a little bit of time, and about a month later, one of the pilots died due to radiation, while the other one was discharged from his job because he kept losing consciousness. Yeah, that one that one realizes a pilot you cannot missing. Imagine saying to someone I'm a pilot. While I was flying, I had missing time. Yeah, that's dangerous. That is a scary thought, and it is.

1:20:44 It does lead me to something else that there is a growing number of pilots that are concerned, very concerned about this topic. And you know, Ryan Graves obviously is leading the side from like kind of like a military standpoint, but I mean commercial pilots are also seeing these things and often we see some videos come from them. But with the videos, it's it's hard these days because you don't know it's a hoax. You don't know what's a what's real or you know, but it's it's it's is very it's a little alarming because I've I've spoken to pilots like privately who are worried about, you know, something happening, a collision, some sort of accident that then gets covered up or that is the catalyst for some sort of disclosure, is some sort you know, and then they use it as some sort of false flag attack on you know, because what that's you don't get a military budget with flower and daisies, is what I was told, you know, peace and love.

1:22:11 You known, military budgets don't increase that way. So what is the ultimate enemy? And that would be non human intelligence? So I was going to say fear, but yes, that too, but yeah, but implementing that fear on NHI, right is oh, you know, like I know, I know doctor Greer pedals this one. But the Werner bomb Werner bron Oh my god, as if I can't spe Werner von Braun, his assistant who spoke about how on his deathbed that the last card that they would play be the extraterrestrial card, the ultimate blue beam right, what are your thoughts on something like that?

1:23:03 We see in the gulf of talking that it can happen. A lot of people are talking about Project Bluebeam, and it could be one of two sides. Either yes, it could be a real thing, or it's created by design so that when something legitimate does happen, people just immediately assume, ah ah, it's Project blue Beam. It's all fake, right, And so having all of this information swirling mixed with misinformation or disinformation, it just it convolutes the entire topic. It takes away a lot of the legitimacy that people have been pushing for.

1:23:41 But is project bloobeam a possibility? Yes it is. Can it be used towards someone's advantage, Yes it can, but it can also cover up something legitimate that would happen. Right now, think think about this. Did I say I'm sorry? Did I say projectlue Book, I'm gonna say project blue Beam. I just it hit me. I wanted to know you said blue Beam? Okay, yeah, no, yeah, you said blue Beam? But uh, something that interests it's it. We look at it right now, we're seeing it this. I'm sure you've heard of him.

1:24:24 You see the Jason Sands. Guy, can I have some more context? Please? Really? Oh names, names are in all my strong suit. Okay, Okay, more info. Okay. So he's the the whistle blower that came out on that. This sounds ridiculous. He came out on the only reason I know this is because it's a date. He came out on four to twenty on the spaces on Twitter. He came out and said that he is a whistleblower, one of the forty that you know Marco Rubio talks about. And he's also there was a picture leaked of James Fox, who I'm currently talking to about.

1:25:22 He's gonna be on the show this uh in the next couple of months, but he's busy finishing the program. But apparently Sans is involved in that movie as well. So,

1:25:38 but there's so do you know who that is? I believe, I believe we're on the same page. I think I know who we're talking about. So he isn't he's an older gentleman, right, older, a little bit older, not like old old, but like ab Elizondo age, but claims to be a part of the twenty and back program. Now, obviously that throws up a major red flag. We go back to Corey Good. Corey Good, you know the whole deposition thing about you know that was his intellectual property. Many people think that he was put into the community to muddy the water on that subject, right, so almost sent as a disinformation agent, you know, paid to muddy the waters.

1:26:37 And could this be a scenario that now you know, Jason Sands comes out and says, I was involved in something that is similar to what you guys know as the twenty and back program, but it's it's not that. It is that, but it's not that. So it seems like it's the same you know struggle, that project Bluebeam. It's capable, but it's someone's labeled it as that. So they throw the baby out at the bath water to ask the same thing as saying, you see what I'm getting at? Yeah, do you see I'm trying to make the comparison.

1:27:21 But maybe it wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be. No, I totally, I totally get what you're saying. And to end it with this, it's that have it be.

1:27:33 Anyone can be labeled as a plan, Anything can be labeled as disinformation, even when it's true and it just depends on who believes it and who doesn't. That that's a difficult part. But are there are there legitimate plans here now in this community that are turning to muddy the water? I don't see why not. And the same thing goes for Project Bluebeam. Look this way, don't look over here. I've slide of hand exactly. And so that that's the has to be one of the most trickiest things about this topic is who do you believe?

1:28:08 What do you believe? And when should you believe it? You know what I think. I believe what my eyes see and what my you know. Because for anyone you talked about your mother having experience Christina, have you had your own experience? I have, but I still haven't fully understand understood it yet, So I don't really know how to put it into words too much. All right, could you? Is there one of the experiences that you could talk about? Not with the time that we have, they're kind of they're kind of long.

1:28:53 Okay, maybe next time, next time? Yes, okay, all right, I understand that. But you've had your own I'll break it down. You've had your own experience. No one can tell you that you haven't right, that's right. So could there be an initiative where they're now showing the individual right rather than going to the government, and or maybe it is a part of this slow dip disclosure. But I mean, why haven't we seen another mass sighting? What happens when the next mass sighting happens? An example, well, it's a quick example before I have to go, is that with Roswell in nineteen forty seven, it was covered up until the eighties.

1:29:47 People didn't know about it for a long period of time, several decades. With the Phoenix Lights in nineteen ninety seven, they tried to brush that off so quickly and it wasn't talked about for a short perioderiod of time. But then as more documentaries came forward, they're like, oh my gosh, this was a really big deal. It was a mass, ginormous sighting. And so it's not difficult for people to place these stories and encounters and sightings under the rug. But I think it's going to be a lot more difficult now or it'll be brushed off as Project blueby It's hard to say, hmm, well yeah, yeah, I think I think, I really hope that there is some sort of mass sighting that happens, because I don't think if if the phoenix, like if the Phoenix lights happened tonight, I don't think you can cover that up.

1:30:41 I don't think, I mean could do you think they could? They could say it was fake and people would believe it, really think, So I do? Okay, Well, I don't know. I'm I lean the other way. So I guess uh, I guess well, for now, we'll leave it there, but hopefully we I don't know, let's pray for a mass sighting tonight. That'd be exciting somewhere that's only have my eyes on the skies for it. Yeah, that's your motto, right, Yes, tell us where people can find you, what your podcast days are, what your podcast is.

1:31:20 I'll include all the links in the description below. I think I have them all already. But if for the audio version, well, first of all, Ty, thank you so much for letting me be here today and talk about one of the coolest and most important conversations that humanity is having right now. And for those listening, you can find me on YouTube under Christina Gomez, but there is no h in Christina or on my website at Strange paradigms dot com. There you can find all of my social media links and I do write articles as well for all the very interesting topics that I cover.

1:31:57 So that's the best place to look for me. Yeah, and then you do the show with Jimmy, who's such a I would love I need. I would love to talk to him one day and just dissect that guy's brain. But you do that show. It's so wonderful. I think what you're doing for the community again is so so valuable. So keep doing what you're doing, and I think for you, the sky is the limit. Literally, thank you so much. You've got, You've got everything. So just thank you again for for uh coming and talk to me tonight.

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1:33:25 But uh, it's been a weird battle. But uh, there are other people like Christina on YouTube, so check them out and we'll see you guys next time. I did not have the uh the music cute, so what a terrible outro? Bye guys. It was still good. Eight two