How Are ALIENS Traversing The Cosmos? MUFON's Marc D'Antonio- Interdimensional Travel & The Paranormal

0:43 Welcome this across all platforms. We're back here for season two. I'm so excited to get this new season started. Total disclosure for anyone who doesn't know. We explore the mysteries UH of the unknown, from sightings UH to conspiracy theories, occurrences in our skies. It's all fair game, UH and something that we really enjoy building a community around. UH. Last season we ended UH with an interview with mister Daniel Sheen and UH it was such a phenomenal year of see of guests, and I figured that I wanted to come out pretty strong for season two, and that's why I brought in my buddy, mister Mark D'Antonio, UH, the chief video and photography expert at move On.

1:38 You also do Skytour live stream UH as well on YouTube, and then you do that for KGr Radio as well. How you doing, I'm good. I'm good. How you doing, I'm amazing. It's very very good to have you back. UH. You you appeared last season, and UH, you know, I took a month off. I filmed a movie, so we kind of got our bearings and our foundation on that. It's a lot more work than I think people think about. But that's you know, while that was going on, this very interesting story kind of started developing about seven stars that could potentially hold or be housing.

2:26 I don't know how this would be framed Dyce in spheres, and it got me thinking about astronomy, and it got me thinking about you and having you back on because I really want to talk about what are the chances that this could be the first glimpses at such a device or even intelligent life in the universe, and any other astronomical discoveries that have been happening. You know, I know that James Web has been spitting images out left and right, so and I really wish you gotta go watch that episode with Joe Rogan and Terrence Howard because I would love to hear what you think about his theory.

3:10 I did watch the episode, but I didn't pay attention to, you know, Terrence Howard's taken on physics, because I was just thinking, you know, unless he's unless he's someone that went to school forward and has a really good foundation, which he doesn't. I would I would have expected more from him, but he couldn't really lay it out, and Joe Rogan actually kind of disassembled him a little bit, so it was more entertainment than actual learning about new concepts. And then, of course Neil de grass Tyson took hold of his Howard's thesis that he sent him right, and he took the time to mark it up and go through it very very diligently and did like a peer of view exactly so.

3:57 And when he did it, he basically could conclude with Terrence, no, Terrence, you're wrong, respectfully, all right. And now Terrence Howard doesn't even talk to him. So it comes down to, like, you know, an actor was insulted and now he doesn't want to talk to someone. If you got an idea and it turns out to be wrong, you learned from it and move forward, you know, with the new path that you learned. But Howard apparently didn't want to do that according to Neil. Anyway, Yeah, well there's been a follow up episode.

4:32 It actually just came out with Terrence Howard, Eric Weinstein and Joe Rogan and Eric pretty much pretty much tells him that like all on all the physics elements, none of it makes sense. But he does point to his lynch pin and I can't go into the science. I that's not my thing but that episode I would highly suggest as well to anyone out there. It's it's it's just fantastic. But he did give credit to Terrence with an idea, and he said that you know, this is what you need to focus on all the other stuff, you know, the one times one equaling two and all your your the things that you're trying to push on on physics, like you're just you're you're not as informed as you think you are.

5:31 And I think that's fair, and I think it's a fair assessment for me as well. Yeah, I would agree. I mean, as I said, I'm not as familiar with Terrence Howard's thesis. I haven't written read it. I I did watch the initial Rogan episode because he said he was going to have him on there talking about this. I was like, okay, well let's see what this is about. And as I listened to it, I just kept saying, No, that's not how good that, No, that's not right. I mean, that's elementary. And I began to feel that Terrence Howard knows more than you think he does thinks he does, and that he unfortunately he has that disease which says if I know a little, I must know a lot, you know, and he doesn't know a lot, unfortunately, and so he doesn't understand the fundamentals and the foundations for why things are what they are, right.

6:29 You know. It's like the people that say, we never went to the moon. Okay, obviously we went to the moon. I actually lived through that era. I know about it. I had friends who worked in the space program. I knew people in the space program and actually worked on it. I was a kid at the time. Frankly, here, let's be fair, okay, but I did know. I know that I met them later on in life, and I know that these people were real and that this was a real project. So you know, when people come along were born, you know yesterday, they look at the history and they say, well, based on the history, I think that's all fake.

7:10 I think Stanley Kuper, you weren't even alive when Stanley Kupberg did this supposed thing. So what do you mean you talk about You don't know what was in his head. I actually know people that worked with Stanley Kubrick. In fact, one of them was a good friend of mine. Doug was Trumble, Doug Trumble Academy Award winner. Okay, he passed away, but Doug and I were working on a UFO detection system, and Doug worked on two thousand and one in space. Obviously he knew Kubrick like this. They were good friends.

7:34 And so I've been years with Doug. You know, for ten years we were actually working on projects together, including the UFO detection system. Can you I mean, I don't, I don't know if it's like still being developed. Can you tell me more about that? Oh? Yeah, yeah, it's pretty well known. You know. Doug called a euphatag. He had a hum V that he outfitted with telescopes and stuff that could zip around and look at the sky at things. And I came along and said, Doug, wait a minute, why don't we make a platter that doesn't have any moving parts and that looks statically at the sky, captures data and then transmits it to a central place.

8:14 In fact, why don't we do this. Let's set them up in triads and three point unit at each place, like say, two miles from each other, and make them communicate with each other so that if one sees it, the other one can say I see it or I don't see it. And if the three of them can agree they all see it. Then it's something high in the atmospheres or whatever, and we can then triangulate its location exactly and get its exact speed and know all that data. But if it's something only one thing sees, then it's local to that object, a bug or an aircraft, you know, kind of thing.

8:51 So if it's something farther away, low flying aircraft, if it's something much farther away, then the three objects are going to be interested in it. That's super I think that is a fascinating idea. I think, yeah, you know, Ibby a little bit. Harvard has the Galileo project, and I've offered a couple of my observatory sites to him for implement implementation of a Galileo system, and I've talked to his team. I've actually got remote observatories out in the desert, so I run them from Connecticut, where I'm living, and that's twenty six hundred miles away.

9:27 I did it last night. I actually ran it last night. In fact, I was just using photoshop and if you don't mind me turned to camera. I just that's a photo we took last night. It doesn't really show well, wow, but it's a beautiful nebula that's in the coming summer sky, and we acquired it in seconds, and I had people from all over the world watching. I had people from China, Australia, Chile, the United States of course, Bulgaria, other places in Europe. And They're all watching from all over the world.

9:59 And I'm a professional astronomer, That's what I went to school for. So this is like rolling off a log for me right understanding these nebulary. In fact, they just did a big post on this and Facebook. If anyone wants to see, you'll probably go to night. I'll exit out to x Patria. Jurable's biomind introducing the ultimate cognitive enhancement solution by a mind. These video is exclusively brought to you by our sponsor, agentier Erbs. Unlock your brain's full potential with a powerful blend of nine meticulously selected plants and mushrooms, each backed by pear reviewed research for their cognitive boosting benefits and safety.

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11:56 Just tweeted out on X doesn't make sense? Yeah, I think it's a post just posted now, I'll post it on X. Yeah, so anyway, so you know, so, uh, that's one thing. I'm also in talks with another production company that wants to do another production and this one will involve objects that are underwater, unknown submerged objects and that yeah yeah yeah, us O S and I had the well, I guess, the pleasure of experiencing one of those, uh yeah. And that was on a US submarine and I was on there as a guest, not as a as a sailor.

12:40 Uh. And uh, you know. I later confirmed with someone down in Washington who was on the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I was working for them on a project. And he couldn't tell me anything about the project, he said, I might, I can't talk about that project. I'm sorry. The project for tracking these things, yes, so fast, move aproach, Yes, exactly so. And so they observe and report. That's the rule. That's what they've been given. That's their directive. And the reason is because they can't possibly catch them, they can't possibly engage these things.

13:11 Have not engaged with them at all. They've just stayed at a distance, kind of play cat and mouse, or there's something there, what is it? Okay, let's go back, Okay, let's go back, go forward, okay, go back, And it would just go anywhere they want, and they never get a certain closeness. And in terms of these objects on submarines, there's more than just the account I have been talking about for a decade. Okay, Yeah, I don't mean to cut you off here, No, you're right. Strike me if I'm wrong, but I will never strike you.

13:47 Were you or were you not? In Darcy Ware's latest film, Yeah, yeah, that was the film I was in with him. Yeah, right right, so Tim got ittim Yeah, Tim, admir Admiral Galadat so he was Yeah. So he's been talking about these programs in your story, you know, kind of fits that whole puzzle of that fast mover program. And it was really interesting to see Darcy and and all Tim or at the Admiral kind of go through it all and kind of you know, because I think people don't realize that these things they're not just in our skies, they're not just in in the in the atmosphere and and space.

14:33 These things are their trans medium, yeah, you know, and the reason the reason they can go there and do this. Uh. This comes to the next fundamental discussion that I have been giving around the country for a number of years now, and I refined it, and it comes from my friend Robert Schroeder, who has a book called Soft the UFO Enigma, and Bob and I are good friends. And I talked to Bob about this and said, you know, Bob, I read your book. It's full of equations, but the normal people aren't gonna be able to capture that mentally, but

15:13 I'd like to do it. I'd like to share it because I think you're onto something here. He says, oh please, Yeah, so I have been. And you can't imagine the understanding. After telling people this and language, they can understand how UFOs really work. In my opinion and Bob's and other peoples now in Alvi Lobes, by the way, in telling people about this stuff, they've they've had light bulbs go off in their heads and say, it all makes sense now now I understand why Earth could be visited by so many different potential civilizations.

15:48 And the reason has to do with how they travel and the reason why they can be underwater and just be there, you know, constantly for years and not have to worry about the pressure. They don't have these massive hules to withstand the pressure. And here's the weird thing that's gonna I'm gonna say, they're really neither there nor elsewhere. They're there but not there and whoa what does that mean? They're interdimensional? Okay? And this goes to UH string theory. If you want to dive into this, we can talk about it, okay, uh.

16:25 And we have to go all the way back to what potential UH universe given capabilities do these creatures use to travel and we go back to the four fundamental forces. We have the strong nuclear force, we have the weak nuclear force, we have light, we have gravity. All right, These strong, weaken, and electromagnetic those we understand. But gravity is that little weirdo that's the outlier. Okay, Light, Okay, I'm sorry. Yes, Light, weak and strong forces can be described with particle equations or wave equations.

17:04 They can describe be described as particles or waves. There's duality, dual nature. Okay. Gravity we know has waves because we saw two black holes collider or neutron stars collide, and we saw the ripples in space time. Okay, those ripples came to our planet. We captured them with our LIGO detector, the laser into fermetric Gravitational Wave observatory. Say that three times past. Okay, yeah, and there's one ligo, yeah, logos in Louisiana, Hamford, Washington. And there's one in Italy named Virgo.

17:42 That one's easier. Well, the bottom line is, as those ripples passed through the Earth, we picked them up and we saw gravitational waves. Half the duality, right. The other half would be gravitational particles known as gravitons. Gravitons yes, okay, so this next piece is the weird part. When we look at the other three forces, they start and end in our four dimensions X, y and z moving through time. Okay, that's four dimensions X y, Z moving through time. Okay, they start and end in this four dimensional space.

18:18 Gravity starts here, if you want to call it that, but doesn't end here. There's something weird about gravity. Gravity actually seems to have the other end somewhere else. And to talk about the other end, we gotta talk about what we mean by that. If you think about particles in physics, the electron, the proton, the neutrons, okay, the mouon, the gluon, and so on. Literally, yeah, you have to think of it a different way. And this brings us to the concept string theory. Now, string theory is very complex and complicated, multiple dimensions.

19:06 It makes your head spin and blow up. You'll now you're just a pile of flesh. However, if you think about it this way, it'll help you make sense. A proton is always vibrating. Okay, so we have a hydrogen atom and it's always vibrating. The proton is always vibrating meanly, Electrons going around et cetera. But the proton's always vibrating. So if you stop it at one end of its travel here and then stop it at the other end of its travel there, what's in between the path that the proton took, and that's a little path of energy that is the string in this string theory.

19:41 So instead of thinking of particles, you think of those little paths of energy, little strings. So everything could be broken down to essentially a set of strings vibrate. It's right. And now why would we talk about that, because it is within the string theory concepts that this interdimensional travel becomes apparent when you think of the universe in terms of the strings. So here's how that works. Within our four dimensions, we have these three dimon these three fundamental forces we already know, you know, strong, weak, electromagnetical light, okay, gravity.

20:19 Now that these have strings, the strings go out and basically they curl around and come back to our same location. Okay, So whenever we talk about the particles and the duality in here, they're vibrating back and forth. Like a proton. They're vibrating back and forth. The proton doesn't disappear at one end. It vibrates back and forth within our four dimensions, we see it doing, so we can tell gravity. On the other hand, if there's a particle associate with gravity, we just see one end of it. The other end is not there.

20:50 Where's the other end of the gravitational particle is also going to be vibrating. Because that seems to be a universal thing. It doesn't exist in our fortamend in where it is. It's potentially in a fifth dimension out here. So if that fifth dimension is where it is, then if we can harness the property of gravity as the universe has defined it and shown it to us, although we can't really access it yet with our technology, then we can move into this fifth dimension. And what's interesting about this fifth dimension is that this fifth dimension is highly warped.

21:27 This is actually a variation of strength theory called Randall's sundrum ie r S one. And if you can move into this fifth dimension, what you'll find is that the universe the farther and you go to this highly warped dimension, the farthering you go, the more warped the universe is, the smaller it is around you. So you go in really far, it's very tiny around you. So let's suppose, as we'll just say it this way, say you have to travel one foot okay, and you go into this fifth dimension a tiny little bit.

21:58 When you come out, that one foot that you travel might correspond to a foot and a half. Okay. So now that same one foot go deep into this fifth dimension. When you come out, that same one foot could have corresponded to from here to Pluto, Okay. As an example. That's not even mathematically, I'm just saying that's the concept.

22:21 So with this concept, you could theoretically transfer far enough into that fifth dimension, okay, and oscillate back and forth, so that you could in fact travel the universe, go light years without and all you need. Actually, you don't even have thrusters or engines. I was gonna say, you don't even need combustion at that point. There's nothing. There's no chemical rockets or nothing in. What you do is you generate the particles that go around your ship that are gravitons, the ones that belong on that fifth dimension we've been talking about.

22:54 And if you can do that, your ship will automatically get sucked into this fifth dimension. The more you produce, the farther in you go okay, and if you can go far enough into this fifth dimension, Okay, you could, like I said, travel the universe. Take it another step. Let's suppose you are here on the Earth and you're an alien creature, right, an alien being. You have a ship that does this. How would you actually operate in practicality? How would that work? Well, you have to generate the particles.

23:24 How do you generate these particles? These particles have a name in Randall sundram One theory, they're identified. They're called Kalusik line gravitons or KK yeah, KK gravitons. Now, if that's true, then if these particles can actually exist, but you'll do and then you just google it and you'll see it. Okay, if you actually have these calusive line particles, you put them around your ship. They live and remember the other half of them lives in this fifth dimension. So as they're generated, they're going to pull the ship into the fifth dimension and there's surrounding your ship.

24:01 Now. One of the caveats of these Coluzik line gravitons is that they're ten to the sixteenth times more powerful than the gravitons gluing you to your chair right now, okay, or all of us. So what that means is they're also going to generate what are called micro black holes. And micro black holes, okay are interesting because they only live for a nanosecond or two. They're not very long live because all black holes evaporate. They evaporated, and they're gone right away, but not before, not before they may have pulled in a molecule of air or whatever, or possibly some of the light coming to it that might go to your eye otherwise, and most importantly, not before they pull in some of the Earth gravitons and prevent them from getting to your ship.

24:54 So if you surround your ship with enough of these kk gravitons, you don't feel the effects of Earth gravity at all. And this is what explains why ships could possibly be seen as fluttering leaves like they work like they move like fluttering leaves with them no up or down okay, because there's no reason they don't feel gravity. You know, Earth gravity doesn't affect them, so that it looks weird to it. Okay, now, yeah, go ahead. Other people report seeing like it's almost like it's skipping, yes, skipping through That leads me down that path as well, that that that that sounds like it would be going maybe going in and out of the dimension exactly.

25:42 So, and not only that, they're not actually traveling from point A to point B. They're actually traveling from point A just directly to point B without going through the space in between. Right, Okay, So now when it looks like they're skipping, what are they doing. They're oscillating back and forth between this fifth dimension and our four dimensions. Now, if they go into that fifth dimension a little bit, and let's say they go in for three inches, they might come out one hundred feet of where they were, the one hundred feet ahead of where they were.

26:15 Okay, Now there's another aspect of this that we'll get to. So as they go in and out, depending on how far in they go, that will correspond to more distance they travel when they come out. So it would look like they're here, then here, then here, then here skipping. Okay, that's what that would look like. And to our eye, we'd see what looks like a continuous object skipping across the sky because we don't know it's disappearing. We can't really see that because it's happening too fast. Okay, So the weird thing is when something goes across the sky.

26:48 You might see it go like this and then boom shoots off at a ninety three angle. It goes, you know, weirdly to another another angle at a high rate of speed, and you will rightly say, no creature could ever withstand those g forces. And you're right, not even alien creatures. Right, they're not moving at high rates of speed. If you were in their ship. All that would change for you is the outside scenery It would feel like you feel right now, wouldn't change. You know, you'd be sitting in the ship and the outside would be shifting because you're oscillating back and forth between that fifth dimension and our four and all you'd see is a new view for a moment as it's as you're changing positions.

27:28 Okay, now that brings to light. Well, okay, Mark, how do you produce these particles? Come on, let's you know with the goods. How do you produce those particles? All right, let's talk about how those particles are produced to actually pull you into that fifth dimension. First of all, let's go to Cern overseas. I'm going to Cern me going the Cern Okay, get right, we're running there. That's going a long run, and yeah, I need a boat. You get you get discerned. And if you go to their website and you look up CERN and colusive line gravitons, you're gonna find something really amazing.

28:05 And this is the one of the more interesting parts. The Large Hadron Large Hadron Collider over at CERN has a detector on it called the Atlas detector all caps at LA S. The Atlas detector in part is looking for you'll never guess colusive line gravitons. Why because they're very very interesting. Okay, Now, how would those particles be generated? Well, how is certain generating them with the Large Hadron Collider? And what is that? It's a particle accelerator. Yeah, and particle accelerators are what shape?

28:51 Oval, yes, circular, circular, yes, generally, Yeah, you have linear ones too, but the circular ones are what are used to accelerate the particles the light speed okay or near light speed. Right. So the point being, if if you're gonna have a particle accelerator system, that's the one Okay, if you're gonna have a particle accelerator system that is going to generate these particles, you need a power source and a ring, right, you need an accelerator ring. Well, what shape are UFOs? Generally there you go flying saucers.

29:25 They're particle accelerators. I'm certain of it. Okay, now second second thing. You just blew my mind a bit. And that's that's why I got a guy, a cowboy in Texas, gave me his cowboy hat for this talk. Okay, he was he was blown away and put it all together. So that outer ring in a UFO is the particle accelerator. The inner part is shielded from the synchrotron radiation. That's inevitable. It's a universal tenet, something we can't avoid. You try to take a charged particle and force it into a curve or a magnetic field, it's going to give off synchrotron radiation radially on all directions.

30:03 Okay, so you can shield yourself from that. You can shield it. Okay, Here on Earth we plant them in the ground. Well, in your UFO, you can't do that, can you. So what you have to do is you have to shield it with some substance, another material. So the center core, where they're where they're sitting and riding, is a place where they're shielded. But the outside may not be. And we've heard many cases where people have touched the UFO and what happened. It's very bad. Burns, burns. I mean you name it, radiation, says yes, and what kind of radiation do you think it is?

30:45 Well, that kind of makes sense now, synchrotron radiation from trying to take that particle accelerator. Because the outside is not shielded, it doesn't have to be for them. It's they're inside. Yeah, they're inside, I'll side. They don't care, see, So that's what makes sense. Now. The other thing, too, is when you look at a UFO and it seems to shimmer and vanish right before your eyes. That's exactly what would happen if kluziklan gravitons are pulling it into the fifth dimension, it would literally shimmer and vanish from your eyes.

31:20 That's the physical effect. Did you read about this recent case out of Colorado over the Amphitheater in Red Rocks, Yeah, Red Rock. I was at Red Rocks. I didn't, I didn't. I didn't know about that case. What happened mister early June employees? After that empathy, the Amphitheater closed and had they had a concert on June fifth. That that night, thirteen employees that were working the concert venue. Uh, they were at the loading dock. One of them saw it, said guys, what is that? And they all look over and by no mistake, they said it was a metallic disc and it was just hovering there.

32:21 As soon as they turned their attention to it, it tilted and then it didn't zip off at a tremendous rate of speed, but it was so close that they could make out the details. They said that it had looked like it had three story three porthole, like uh, like a three story building. That's it had window looking things. Okay, you see the story now, yeah, it's uh yeah, and it's fascinating. But it but it it didn't it didn't just vanish over the horizon or shoot off into space. What they say they saw is that it literally just as if it was cloaking itself, It just faded out.

33:04 So it's again what you're saying, yeah, see this this is we hear this time and again. So what could this be? This could literally be cluziic line gravitons in play. Okay, and and as of late, and I haven't talked to AVI about this, but Avi Lowe said that he thinks it's possible that aliens are traveling inter dimensionally as well. Now he's the chair of Harvard Astrophysics. Okay, And like I said, you know he's not saying this because I've said it. I'm sure he knows I've said it, okay, because we've talked.

33:38 But the thing is for him to come out and say that means that he's seen the evidence himself as well and believes that the math works out for this to be the case. Now let's go one step further. Now we know that they're accelerators. Now we know that when they use that fifth dimensional travel, they are going to shimmer and vanish. They might even scintillate and change colors, okay, and they might skip across the sky, being in one place then another. Okay. Now, as an astronomer, I can tell you that all those things can be explained from astronomical phenomena point of view.

34:08 However, we can't deny that it might also be clusikline gravitons in play, and that's fire. Now there's one lot more thing. You have to generate those particles in your particle accelerator. What's the source Okay, Well, at CERN they're using a lot of electrical energy to generate a tremendous amount of energy to create these particles and accelerate them. Right, But if you're in your spaceship, you're gonna need something different. You're gonna need some kind of a reactor. And let's cross the Atlantic now and go over to San Francisco to Lawrence Livermore.

34:46 What has Lawrence Livermore done in the last year that's very important and has to do with fusion. They add the first right, first stable. It didn't last long, but it was the first time that in human history that they had a reaction that they could sustain for a period of time. Normally it's spam. Okay, we did fusion. Yay, everybody celebrate. But now they did, right, and then they shut it down, right because temperatures get so high that that so we're still we're we're not put getting out more than we put in.

35:20 That's what the goal is. Okay, like the sun, we get more energy out there goes in obviously, right. Okay, So that said, they're working on a stable fusion reactor at some point. Now, let's say they come out with their stable fusion reactor in San Francisco. And let's say that the large Hadron collider Atlas detector the textaclusive line gravitons. Okay, okay, what do you need to create clusic line gravitons? Besides the power sources? They use a cern A fusion reactor. Hey, so you put one of those inside your ship.

35:52 Okay, And for all we know, they only need to be about this big size of a react They might only need to be the size of a water bottle. The power and generate the ring energies to be able to cause this ring to work. Remember, they could be thousands, if not one hundreds of thousands or more years ahead of us. They've been here, they've been here. So that said, they would be able to use this energy source to find their way through the universe in the same way. And they would probably be able to skip across the universe like you skip across the street or whatever you know I mean, or like UFOs skip across the sky as we see them, they could do it across the universe as well.

36:37 Now, if they go on a little bit into that fifth dimension, then they might look like they're moving through our sky and moving at ungodly speeds, and if they keep oscillating rapidly back and forth, well then they could be on the deep ocean floor and not even feel the effects of the pressure because they're not really there. They're not really in the fifth dimension, right. They're bringing back your point. They're neither here nor there, right. So see that's what's that's that's kind of where this is going.

37:05 Uh. And I'm probably gonna talk about this tonight on Jimmy Church as well. But the point is that's really something that makes a lot of sense, and so this is amazing. Yeah, and again I was turned on to this by Robert Schroeder, good friend of mine. He lives in Massachusetts. Okay, he's my so because I'm in Massachusetts. Yeah, you're actually up near M I T. I think ye correct, Copley Square in that region, yep. So so so you know the areas I've I've really wanted to talk to Avey uh because I go into am I I go into Harvard, I go to M I T. I go to all of them toughs, you name it.

37:54 You know, I've I've been in there, and he's someone I would love to I'd love to have a conversation with But I digress anyway. So what these dice in spheres that they're talking about. Yeah, yeah, let's go to that, because that's what your original question was, right. Okay, Now, with all that, you've just talked about a civilization that's able to to do that, to enter the fifth dimension, uh and use that for travel and for whatever else they may be using it for. I'm sure it's not a one fits you know, it's not just a it doesn't fit one purpose.

38:36 But would that be a civilization that's using something like a dice in sphere to harraz the energy of their star. It's possible because you know, as you know the concept of Freeman Dyson's dicen sphere was for a civilization that's advanced enough on the kardash of scale like one through four. Right, a Kardash of scale civilization would eventually utilize potentially all the energy they could get from their star. Now, in reality, the limitations of materials in the universe are such that in all likelihood they couldn't put a gigantic sphere around their star because it wouldn't be supportable by its because of the crushing forces of gravity.

39:26 Okay, In reality, what we might get is something known as a dyce in swarm, and and that image you just brought up, if you imagine each of those bands was thousands of satellites okay, and not actually not actually physical bands of anything, but just thousands of satellites right, probably in orbits that staggers so they don't ever collide. Every one of those satellites could obtain energy from the star and efficiently trans admitted back to the home planet. So if you imagine that you could have these massive collecting station up in orbit around your planet or planets in all likelihood, and the energy, although it falls off as the square of the distance okay, of transmission, would still be substantial if you have a lot of these uh, if you have an awful lot of these satellite lights.

40:27 Yeah, So the point being, it'd probably be a dice and swarm that we would see. Now. I was really intrigued when Tabitha announced her discovery when looking at the Kepler data, Tabitha Biagi and another astronomer she announced, is that Tabby star. Yes, so that's can you What I really want you to do is can you explain why it's so? Why? Like how we know it's different or irregular because I have our time blaming it, you know, because we know we can calculate the planet. If it was a planet that was dimming or you know, causing the dimming and brightening, it'd be cyclic.

41:08 It'd be cyclic, and we could be periodic and we can calculate it. Yeah, but they're saying this is not the case with that. Yeah, Tabby's star has was a star that she found in the Kepler space telescope data, and the star from one hundred years ago has shown progressive dimming at times really very rapid dimming, and they couldn't understand what that was. And I thought that maybe, you know, other people said, oh, a swarm of comets and all that. No, s the comments are going be periodic, you know, and it's not gonna be so regular.

41:49 But I think that in the Tabby star case, what they discovered was potentially that maybe this was possible interstellar dust cloud between us and there. Maybe who knows, but I thought it was pretty intriguing because it could have meant In my view, I thought, maybe we're looking at potentially a dice and swarm being constructed, not a dice in sphere but a swarm, and a swarm of satellites, if numerous enough, would block a lot of the light from the star. So if it was being constructed, that would be the reason for the continual dimming.

42:29 Yes, and we would call that a megastructure, an alien megastructure, yeah, if we, if we would, if we would characterize it that way. So Tabby Star was interesting to me for that reason. I thought that maybe it would be something that you know, Tabby star and yeah, that's it, okay, And is this what more of what you're looking at? Well? No, this is more like solar panels. They looked more like satellites to me in the picture. But those are those are you know? I think discrete little dots? Okay, discrete little dots, all maybe hundreds of thousands, if not millions of them around the star, orbiting in such a way they don't collide with each other.

43:15 And you could do that easily enough by having one set of orbits that is at one altitude above the star, another set that is slightly higher, another set slightly higher, and then cross them over. You could actually have an infinite almost an infinite number of satellites. Oh yeah, oh yeah, this is this looks much more feasible. Yeah, looking at it, it looks looks much. It looks much. Do you have an image, Yeah, I'm gonna grab it here just to show the audience for the visualization. But this would be much more.

43:50 I could see this as being a lot more. Yeah, that's that's that's kind of what I'm talking about. Except the problem. The problem with that is it shows like, first of all, satellites have to orbit in what's called a great circle. So you have to have the satellite going like you know, if you have a ball, you can't have sight like if you have a ball like this, you can't have a satellite orbiting like this. Okay, it's got to orbit across a great circle, so it has to go basically around the center of the planet and not like above the pole only.

44:29 Okay, so you'd find that you'd have multiple orbits that are twisted from each other, all going through around the center of the stars. So that visualization is incorrect in terms of like a tabby star or a dice in swarm, but it's still you know, you've got to make sure that you have a great circle. You can't have just a little circle going around the pole. You know, so yeah, But so what would you say to the idea, because when they're talking about it, these dice in spheres, they're saying that it's I mean, it's obviously most likely not the case, but would you agree with that that the because they say there's seven stars, I don't know if that includes Tabby Star or if these are in addition, but they recently came out and said that they had found seven candidates that could be potential dice in spheres because of their irregularities and their dimming and their brightening that just couldn't be calculated with planets cyclical.

45:38 Are you open to that being a possibility? Of course, of course, because I mean, if you're an alien civilization and you're working toward acquiring more energy to get out there in universe, because energy is the name of the game. If you have energy, then that not only dictates what technological level you're at. If you can acquire more energy from your star, then you are going to move up in the Kardashiv levels. Obviously, that's certainly not the game they're playing. They don't even know what they are, but they're just they just know they need a lot of energy.

46:11 So if they do that, Okay, then they're going to certainly discover that more energy means more capability, right, who wouldn't And so the more capability means that they would then be able to travel interstellar And we're not even there yet. Obviously, we're about three hundred years from being able to say that we could fully get off of you know, fossil fuels and so forth like that and move to fully renewable sources. I've actually I wrote a book called The Populated Universe, and in that book I detail Gulf stream windmills underwater that could slowly turn and generate very high torque, you know, turn high torque motors that would generate electricity.

47:01 I detail wave bobbing devices that create energy as they're bobbing in the waves. I mean there's companies doing that part of it too. And I you know, when you go to a when you go to a fishing like a harbor, you'll see there's floats that are on there's like a concrete pier. Then there's a float and it rides up and down with the with the tide, and it goes down as a tide of ball that already here where the roller is that's going up and down inexorably all day long, every twelve hours. Okay, that that rotation mechanism is a potential location for a high torque motor to work all day and all night, every day, seven days a week, three hundred and sixty five days a year and generate some level of energy.

47:47 And you could generate this from anything where you feel tides. You know, if you had something in the underwater. Okay, as the tide comes in, it's gonna bob it around and it's gonna generate the electricity. But then as thing as a tide comes in, this float keeps rising. Right, then as the tide goes out, the float sinks. Okay, So either way it can drive a high torque motor right and would generate electricity. Now, imagine half a million of them on the you know, out in the out in the currents somewhere, generating out in the middle of nowhere, where nobody goes, where nobody cares, where there's no animals that are impacted.

48:24 And now you see we can we can actually create a lot of energy and you don't need these windmills that you sit there and go, oh, they're destroying my image. Of the cape. You know, this is how I see windmills offshore. Personally, I think windmills are actually really a fabulous invention, right. I like the way they look too. I don't understand why people get all upset about it. It has to do with having money. I don't want to see an offshore oil rig. I don't want to see a windmill, right right. Yeah, I'm all for windmills, just don't put it on my view.

49:01 Do you know how much I paid for this coastal view? The value went up because you have access to renewable energy? Yes, And why do you think it is? That? And I and I hate to go this way, but if a guy like you can think about this and come up with all these ideas, right, mainly like just just ideas that that, if put to test right, could potentially, you know, help us in this, uh what I call energy crisis. Right. So why is it that the US government is seizing so many patents when it has to do with alternative energy?

49:47 Oh that has to do with money and power? Okay, that that's just the utilities. Yeah. I actually I know guy uh a professor who created this really novel mill and it was very different from the current thinking very compact. You could buy them and put them in your yard and stack them on top of each other because they're little discs, and within each disc there was little impellers that would spin this incredible impeller that would actually generate energy and it would turn into the wind and everything, and you can stack them on top of each other.

50:24 And here in the state of Connecticut, the electrical utility did a study and found they're extremely efficient and fantastic at generating power. So where are they? Well, the government wanted to buy up the patent, I should say the utility wanted to buy up the patent. And they wanted to do that because if people use the windmills, they wouldn't use their power. So it's about money. So that's why they buy up patents. And guess what, when we start running out of power, they're going to show up. Look, we're a Knight's in shining armor.

50:58 We have this windmill concept we've been developing. Right. Yeah, So there's that. There's that, and it's actually very practical. In fact, when Connecticut wouldn't play ball with them, he moved to Texas. You know, but isn't the patent office isn't it doesn't that does it matter what state you're in? No, no, no, but but Connecticut, the power utilities in Connecticut, okay, Oh, they were the ones that were there, Yes, and they were being resistant to implementing them and putting them up because they already have a set of infrastructure in place that they're making lots of money with and they're not going to interrupt that or cause anything to change because they have shareholders you see.

51:43 Uh, you know, fat cats who don't want to see change. They just want to rake in the money. Back to the old JP Morgan Chase Tesla and yeah, Ben Franklin debate, right, yeah, yeah, that's right. Thomas Edison, all right, yeah, Thomas, I don't know why I've been Franklin Thomas that that that trio JP Morgan Chase was you know, if you couldn't put a meter on it, then what good was it to him? Not? Really? And have you ever, I mean, have you ever? What's your thoughts? What are your thoughts on Tesla? Do you think that he was a man out of his time?

52:24 And do you think that's some of you know, how the FBI rated and took everything. Do you think there is something fishy there. Well, first of all, I I know a little bit about Tesla because I with Doug Trumpell, we did a movie about Tesla up at Niagara Falls actually because the there's a big statue with Tesla at Niagara Falls if you've never been there. And uh, he was very instrumental in obviously making a lot of strides in electrical production and generation and so at the Moses Power facility there there that's three hundred feet underground, under under under the ground there.

53:11 Uh, we were there. It's got the Robert it's Robert Moses Facility. And we were in there and it's like a quarter mile long under underground okay of tunnels. One tunnel and all the turbines are overhead from the Niagara River that's coming down and just cascading tons of torrent Uh So we got to build a We did a three D movie actually there with Doug and the uh. The the movie was all about Nicola Tesla, and uh, I think that there's a lot of his concepts which uh probably were buried and probably have not resurfaced, because well, he lived in the old days, except except we have charged particles coming down over our north and south poles every single day from the sun.

54:00 These charge protons and electrons coming down from the Sun are spiraling through our magnetic field, going into the bedrock and transmitting current through our ground. Okay, this is what takes out substations and causes blackouts during high solar activity, is these charged particles coming down into the atmosphere, going into the bedrock, riding up transmission towers. So I'm sorry, I'm so glad you brought up the sun in that way. You just kind of spark something. I didn't mean to cut you off.

54:37 No, no, that's fair. So if there's power that's sort of coursing through the ground because of ordinary geophysics and the reason the way the sun works, then why can't we tap that too? You know, it's there all the time. It's always there, literally always. Yeah, And so if we could figure out a way to tap it properly, Tesla claim he could. And if we can figure out how to tap it, well, then we can probably use it. Now. Obviously there's geothermal. Geothermal is dependent on magmatic movement underground and stuff, and that's only temporary because magma movements change over time.

55:18 You know, That's why the Hawaiian islands look like they are, and that's why they're islands because and that's why islands are in chains, because uh, you know, the the hot spot under the mantles coming up, making an island right there. But then it's that that plate moves above the hot spot, you know, the tectonic plate moves up with the hot spot. A new island pops up in a different place. Plate moves, new island pops up, plate moves, new island pops up. And that's why the Hawaiian islands look the way they do.

55:45 That's why the volcanic activity is right now on Heilo, which is the main the island, I'm sorry, the island of Hawaii. So the island not not you know, the kids, you've got Maui and all these, but because that's the youngest island in the chain, and so it's the most active volcanically, all right. So everywhere you see a chain of islands, you got to think about how they formed and think that maybe there's a hot spot in the mantle poking up through the crust, so to speak, and making an island right there.

56:18 And as the plate moves across, another island can pop up and then another one as it moves up across and across and keeps going, so that that process is something that has been discovered. And so hot spots stayed in the same place, but the technic plates move. So harnessing a hot spot would be a short term thing we could do. We couldn't do it long term because you know, over over hundreds of thousands of years, that hotspot is migrating, because it's not migrating beneath your feet because you're moving above it.

56:55 So so geothrimal is great, and so it's it's but it's temporary. It works for like a number of human lifetimes, but it won't work for you know, a thousand years, of ten thousand years or a million years on a planet. So it's not sustainable. It's it's sustainable only for the time in which you're above the hot spot. Right, you look at the sulfi chimneys in the bottom of the ocean, the hot the black smokers as they call them, spearing this dark material laden with minerals that these bacteria eat, and around them, the bacteria eat this stuff coming out, and the things that eat the bacteria are all around these beautiful black smoker, you know, hydrogen sulfi chimneys, And so these sulfi chimneys are there because they're above a hot spot on the underneath in the mantle that's poking up and heating the water underneath and making it rise to the surface of the chimney.

57:47 Well, that migrates because they're on a plate, and that plate moves. And when you look at a sulfi chimney, you can see all the dead ones that preceded it by following along the path of the direction the tectonic plate, and you can see ancient sulfite chimneys that long died because they migrated away from that hot spot. Wow. See, so the dynamic earth too right for that reason. So yeah, I mean it'll work within a few human lifetimes, maybe a few more, okay, But over a course of long term like half a million years, No, it's not good enough, right, Not that we care, right, because you might, you know, but we're thinking of long term longevity of a race of human race.

58:32 So I think that, you know, this type of thing is something that we would we could utilize in the short term. Now, like Yellowstone. You look at Yellowstone, the Yellowstone caldera, is not where it's always been. Yellowstone Caldera has been migrating. Why because the North American plate is moving across the hot spot over which the yellow stain sits. So the Yellowstone Caldera, you can see the ancient there is if you follow the chain, you know, you can actually see them on the overhead maps. And so you should look into that because it's cool.

59:10 I love all that stuff, I really much. You know, it's so fascinating to me because you know, I think a lot of people they go outside, they step on the ground, right, they drive across whatever, but they don't know that like the Earth is, it's it's on the inside. It's like churning and moving. And we're also spinning. At what's the rate that we're like spinning through the Solar system. Well, we're we're rotating in one thousand miles an hour, and uh, you know it's at the equator. So I think it's kind of cool to see that that's our rotation rate.

59:49 And then of course we're moving around the Sun, and then the Sun's going around the galaxy. Now we've moved around the galaxy in complete revolution around the galaxy about nineteen and night halftime so far since we were four four and a half billion years ago, revolution around orbited galaxy, our son orbits the galaxy just like all the other stars. And in doing so, uh, it takes us about two hundred and thirty million years or so to go around the galaxy one time. Oh my lord. Yeah. So a lot of people, and this includes

1:00:27 I've seen it on the news, a lot of people are uh saying that the Sun has been showing, is becoming or is in a period of activity that is concerning because of its uh, the CMEs and the coronal mass ejections. How just unstable are agrid? Is compared to what like if if we're to get hit with something like that, I believe we were there. There was a an event in the eighteen hundreds that saw like like anything that add to add electrical or whatever like literally burned like burned up. I don't know to what degree I'm probably miss quoting all of this, but talking about the Carrington event, the Carrington event, yes, thank you, But if if the Carrington event were to happen today, what would what would that look like?

1:01:31 Well, in this last solar outburst, we had an event that wasn't as strong as the Carrington event, but it was pretty strong. I had auroras here in Connecticut right over my head and got video and imagery elements really really pretty and yeah, and down in our Arizona Observatory, all Sky camera recorded a video overnight of the auroras occurring in Arizona and they were seen as far south as Mexico and beyond. So it was actually quite a strong event, but it didn't have the destructive power that was expected.

1:02:14 And why that was I don't really know for sure. I didn't I didn't actually I didn't actually look at the details about that particular outburst. But I know that the Sun every eleven years, it goes through what they call the sun spot cycle, and it works like this. When the sun's rotating, okay, on as axis, it rotates like the Earth, you know, revolves on a taxas. Yeah, it's revolving. It is magnetic field lines coming out of the north pole going into the south pole, just like the Earth. But it's a very powerful magnetic field and as it rotates, what will happen is those magnetic field lines along the equator, okay, end up getting dragged.

1:03:00 So the magnetic field line in the equator look like this, and it gets dragged out a little bit, and then down to the south bowle then as it keeps going, it gets really dragged out, okay, and then down to the south pole. And over time they wind up on themselves. And when they finally disconnect and go to reconnect, that's around every eleven years, and we get these these punctures that appear on the solar surface. As they appear, they're like dark spots. They're not really punctures. They're just disconnected field lines that are in the process of reconnecting.

1:03:31 And it takes time for all that to happen, and we call those solar storms, and those become the darker sun spots. They're only dark because they're just a little bit lower in temperature than the rest of the surface of the Sun. So if the surface of the Sun is ten thousand degrees fahrenheit, they might be eighty five hundred or so, and so in comparison, they look black. Okay, So that's just because the rest of the Sun is so much hotter. Yeah. So, but so every eleven years does we get that the maximum the sun spot cycle Because of the fact that those magnetic field lines have wound up around each other.

1:04:13 So is it safe to say that that it's what the Sun is doing right now is normal? Yeah, because we're approaching a solar maximum, and let me find out. I'm gonna find out here when the next solar maximum is. Uh, it's it's coming soon, and I I don't know why, I don't can't think of it. I'm sorry. It's great late twenty twenty four and early between there. We're at the beginning of the solar maximum, and it'll it'll be here between twenty twenty four and twenty twenty six. So you see, there's time between all these things.

1:05:00 It's not like Thursday night at eight pm bloom, you know, because that's what people say that. You know, people said, well, well, geomagnetic pole shift, okay, the geomagnetic reversals as we call it, Okay, in the real world, geomagnetic reversals are where the Earth's magnetic field all right, migrates like all right, now, ever since I put telescopes out into the desert, the north pole has changed position for me. And it's a very gradual thing. It happens over thousands of years. It doesn't happen overnight like the people with their degrees they get on Google will tell you, you know, now they got these immediate sunspot cycles and we're gonna have this pole shift and the Earth's gonna flip upside down.

1:05:47 Yeah, that's gonna be the worst possible misunderstanding science I've ever heard in my life. But I'm very nice to people because I can understand that if somebody doesn't know and they asked me that question, they're not the ones that thought of it. They usually watch the video or some other person with no scientific background said it, and of course what are they gonna do. They don't know, So I don't think they're stupid. I just think that they're they're the victim, the victim of the Google degree, you know, person, you know, And that is why I like talking to people like you, because for some of the stuff that I hear, you know, it's just like in this world of UFOs, you know, cover ups, conspiracies like it's it's honestly, a lot of it is.

1:06:43 I want to believe a lot of it is. And I find myself a lot coming up against that and saying, you know, like we need skeptics, we need people that will ground us in a way. So that's why I welcome skeptics and skeptical people to this topic. But you know, I I believe that we're being visited. But maybe you know sometimes like there there's lines that I just like with the abduction phenomena and and going further saying it's it's our own military. There are there are lines I draw on the sand where I'm not I won't say them out loud because I don't want to, you know, offend any of my audience.

1:07:33 But you know, there's a degree to which I believe, and uh, you know it's I mean, let me just you know Neil de grass Tyson, Okay, he sent me a LinkedIn request and I accepted it, and he started following what I'm doing. And when I talk to other people and I do talks like this like yours right here, people find out what I've been doing and they hear about the concepts that I'm talking about, and so what happens is they end up naturally percolating out into the ether out there, so to speak, and folks like Neil Degrass Tyson hear this.

1:08:15 Now how do I know this? I know this because I've been told. So okay, now what happened was. If you talk to Neil Degrass Tyson ten years ago and asked him about the prospect of alien life and here on Earth, he'd say, I see absolutely no evidence of life on earth. That's ridiculous. Let's focus on the things we need to worry about now, like educating our children, which is absolutely right about. Yes, I'm on stem boards. I understand that. Okay, And the thing is and then he starts following what people like me and other people are doing.

1:08:53 And guess what. Now he's asked that same question, do you think alien life could be here? What does he say? Now? He says, well, I need more evidence. I need more data. I need more data. Okay, thank you. That's all we're asking for, is the call for more data. I want that. Everybody wants that. Now. I've had experiences I can't explain. Okay. I had three nights of terror in an old house. I had to move out of it because of this, and something came into my room and shoved something up my sinus. I was wide awake for this, couldn't do anything about it.

1:09:28 And the next day I couldn't breathe out of this sinus. And it was that way for two years. Uh, and I felt like something had been lodged up there. And the following morning, after three nights of this terrifying ordeal, I simply got up and took a shower and went to work as if it didn't happen. I couldn't breathe out of this night, just so that well, that's nothings. Allergies, it's allergies. Try to rationalize it. Well, something made me feel like I didn't have to worry about it, so I didn't. So two years later I went to the doctor and he looked up there and said holy and he said the word he goes, You've got something huge up there, and he actually was able to extract it in the office and it was the size of my two thumbs together like this, Okay, it was.

1:10:18 It was what it came out of here. And as I always say, I felt like Donold Schwarzenegger in total recall. Get it out. O Ye, That's what it felt like to me. So my first comment to him was can I have that? And he says no, no, no, We're gonna send it down to pathology. And I said, oh, well, can you have him check the middle of it? Because I'm wondering if maybe they might find a foreign object in there, and he went, oh, you mean like a metal splinter that a machinist might get. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1:10:49 Yeah, yeah, sure we can do that. Why do you ask? And I told him. I told him the story about the three Nights of terror blah blah blah and something doing and he laughed. He goes, ah, I'm sure it's not aliens, saying oh no, I totally agree. I'm sure that was just a dream, which I wasn't sure. And he says, call me a week, I'll tell you if it's if what it is, and he says, I'm sure it's benign, but let's just call me a week. Okay. I call him in a week. Hi, it's Mark D'Antonio. Oh, hold on, doctor has to talk to you.

1:11:19 Oh no, my head's going to fall off. It's like head cancer, a whole head. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. When when does a doctor get on the phone. Well he gets on the phone right away and he's like, oh, hi, mister D'Antonio, I just want to let you know that it's probably benign, nothing to worry about. Okay. I went, oh, so you don't have the results. Well, Uh, okay, he goes, this is the first exact words. This is the first time this has happened in my I forget how many years I think, he said, thirty five years of my office practice.

1:11:49 He goes, but we sent it down a pathology and they can't find it now. Oh, and so I just said, oh, okay, no worries. So it's benign. Yeah, yeah, no problem benind okay. Great. So I got off the phone thinking, well, that's weird. How how would that happen if it was something that was taken or whatever, How would they how would they know? I mean, I don't get it. So a couple of years later I went to him for another thing, and this time I put on my intake sheet, the sheet that says why you're here today, what's problem with you?

1:12:25 Uh? And I put on there my occupation. I said, I do special projects for the Navy. All right, Well, that's that's kind of a buzzword. And if you're doing special projects, it means that you're doing things with a clearance. And I had a very high clearance for years, for decades, And so I went and put that on there. And because you don't talk about that in public, right right, And since I'm now out of the program, I can say I had it. That's not a big deal, right, okay. And so he walks in and he looks at the sheet goes, oh, special projects for the Navy.

1:12:59 How I go, Yeah, I said I was doing. And I told him some of the stuff I did that I could mention in a classified world that was now public, and he said huh. And then he did something I never saw a doctor do ever. He sat up on the exam table next to me. And I'm like, that's all whoa. I'm moving away, like that's awkward. And he crosses his legs and he's looking out the window, swinging his legs like were two kids on a cliff overlooking a pond. Okay, and he goes, I just gave up my top secret clearance this year.

1:13:31 I went, what, Holy shit? And I said, oh, you're operating on like top secret nasal polyps or something. And he laughed too, and he said no, no, he goes, I wasn't always a surgeon, he said, and he got serious and he told me about a project he was on with the Navy where they cleared sixteen hundred miles of the area around their ship in all directions. It was actually a toll out in the Pacific and they launched a rocket into space. There was a nuclear weapon and it took down an enemy satellite with an EMP pulse.

1:14:05 And I was like, oh, that's very interesting. He goes, yeah, I was. I've been doing consulting with them for a long time. Still, he says, well, up until recently, I've left the programs. Wow. So I look back and I figured out what program he was on. It was a project called Project Starfish, and Project Starfish was a launch of a nuclear weapon into the ionosphere to test how nuclear weapons affect the ions in the upper atmosphere. Yeah, you bet you. That's what they were doing. It turns out they wanted to see the effects on enemy satellites one and they were successful.

1:14:45 Yeah. So you can look at up Project Starfish. I know all about it. There's a famous photograph taken of Honolulu sixty you know, thousands of miles away from this thing and with a plastic place, and it shows Honolulu lit up like it's daytime for a split second when the bomb went off up in neilp atmosphere. So you should see that photo. You should be able to find that photo. It's it's a pretty famous photo. I had it as a as a kid. I had that photo to put in a book, you know that they give you from the Science Foundation or whatever it was that I was in.

1:15:24 Yeah, it's not I don't know why, but all these weird starfish popped up on Google like this random like from movies and stuff. Project Starfish. Yeah, starfish is the you know, you also have to be careful because that's a school thing too. It might have been called, Uh, I wonder if it was yeah, starfish Prime, look up starfish. Yeah, I say, I just got its. Starfish Prime is the one. Oh my god. Yeah. And if you look where it took place, Look it's it's west of Hawaii and there you go. Uh and so uh and it was they said it was just southwest of Johnston Atoll.

1:16:18 Okay, yeah, that's correct because that's where it exploded, just southwest of Johnson Atoll. So not lying about that, yeah, but they so that. That's what I call uh is leaving truths out. Yeah. Oh and look it says it was ten degrees about the horizon it's seen from Hawaii at eleven pm Hawaii time. Yeah. And it did it illuminated? Oh, there it is, it's right down there. It's it's if you scroll down, Yeah, you got it. That's that's that's that the one. Yeah, that's the one I got here. Yeah, that's the one.

1:16:52 The other one. Yeah, that's that's. Uh, that's literally by the blast, so that that that blast happens in so the IONO sphere, Yeah, up in space? Yeah, basically in space. Yeah, Now, were any because we know that projects that involve nuclear often have UFO sightings around them. Was this one of those? Not that I know of, I think this, I don't think I can. I don't think so either. I just couldn't remember if it was one of the ones that was associated with it. But that is a very interesting test. So, and that was conducted, and that's really so what's the correlation here between By the way, if you look in that article I just saw this novel the first time ever, it said Starfish Prime caused an electromagnetic pulse or an EMP.

1:17:48 It was far larger than expected. No, it wasn't. It was as designed because as I told you, they were actually trying to affect enemy satellites, right, and it worked. So and you so causing that MP blast basically fries the enemy satellite. Yeah, and as you see uh uh it actually uh caused electrical damage in Hawaii, Okay from that distance away. So what about follow at that altitude they weren't really too concerned about it, but certainly there was a cloud of fallout that was drifting around the earth for some period of time until it got dispersed.

1:18:37 There's no doubt. And they you no one that that's not a concern at the time. It wasn't you know at the time. I mean, they did some really bad things, you know here on our in the US, you know, the tests that were dangerous to people as well, right, And I think, yeah, I think there's a clear line of what when they're they're willing to go with what the lengths there that they're willing to go for quote unquote national security. Uh. And we're seeing that play out with the UFO topic. And so I know the mouf On symposium is coming up.

1:19:20 Are you going? No? I actually they initially were going to have me there, but I think they ran out of money to bring me there, and so, uh, they're they're not doing it. So I'm not going this year, next year, they want me there, but so you know, so they're not doing it this year. Yeah. So Ron Ron James has said he's presenting four new cases to the an any He was on Jimmy Church and you're going on there tonight. This won't have this won't air till Sunday. So, uh, this will all be in the past for everybody.

1:19:58 But you know Ron, So Ron, we were talking about it earlier. Ron showed a picture on air of the Vetted podcast. Uh it turned out not to be anything, but he kind of like. So my question is, and I want to ask you this publicly because I think people should know. Why weren't you consulted as the as the as the photography and videography expert. I don't know, I mean, and I don't. I don't. I don't hold grudges against anybody. You know. It literally could have slipped his mind. I saw him only a few weeks earlier, So I don't know why he didn't mention anything.

1:20:43 He probably would if I mentioned it, and and I don't, I don't know why he didn't show it to me. Yeah, I just you know, from an organization like move On. I I'm not saying it was a bad look. I'm just saying that it seems like it could have been avoided by just simply talking to you. Maybe, but I don't sit there going you should have consulted me, you know. I mean, I don't play those games, but I give people the flexibility to take these things to wherever they feel comfortable. Ron. You know, Ron and I are friends, We know each other, and so why he didn't consult with me anybody's guests.

1:21:27 I mean, it's possible that he thought, you know, I might not find the same thing that he thinks, and so he was kind of mentally just saying, I don't want to talk to Mark about it. I don't know it could have been that way because maybe he thought I would have poo pooed it. But then on the other hand, I might have also said, Ron, that's genuine, right, So I haven't seen it. Well, it's not genuine. I don't know what happened to it. I don't even know the prominence of the thing. Yeah, so you know it was it's from a model.

1:21:59 It was from a like a kit of a model, and it's had something to do. It was a picture in like a some sort of book and they found the expanded version, like within twenty minutes of him showing the picture. So that's just how quick things work now. And you know, I just think that that he's and in his defense, he did say I'm glad that they found it. Now we can say, you know, it's not what we thought it was. But it's like, okay, well why didn't you do that that internally before? You know, like that seems like move on that that's that's what the game is.

1:22:42 Well, Ron James doesn't represent everything, and move on. I know. That's a spokesman. So Ron James his own person, and we encourage all the people to to remain you know, individual, Yeah, of course, and all the chapters are individual. So I'll say that, you know, whatever he wanted to do with it, he's free to do, you know. I mean there's people that do that too, and say, oh, look I found the UFO and here it is and it's proven. Now aliens are here. And then they show a picture of a blurry bird, you know, and when I pull out some of my tools, including a de blurring tool, you can see the original bird, not perfectly clear, but enough to see that it was a bird, right, And then they are like well you made you changed the data.

1:23:32 No, I didn't know the data. Yeah. Yeah. You see, people don't want to have their claims dashed, you know, they want to believe that what they captured is the real thing. We all do. I understand it, and I think it's a disservice if I was to Yeah, I think it's a disservice, if I was to just agree with every single thing that came along. It's a disservice to you. It's a disservice to everybody who watches what I do, follows what I do, listen to what I say on these shows. I can't do it, and I can't be bought.

1:24:03 That's the other thing I've had people say to me. You know, look, we'll give you this much money to come on. The show is about UFOs, but we really want you to find UFOs. I said, what if there aren't any, Well, don't say they are. No, I'm not doing it. Well, well, all right, we'll pay you this much more. No, not doing it. I won't. I won't And that because it only takes one of those times, okay for you to get yeah, and you're ruined, right and and and you know what, my integrity when it comes to this is more valuable to me than any dollar value.

1:24:41 And I I just can't do it. I wish, I wish I could. I'd be a millionaire, I'd be Stephen Greer. Yes, he's he's a charlotte. I know it's not a good thing to say. He's a charlatan of the highest order. I caught him in many lies. I think most people unfortunately. Well, I got the letter from James Woolsey, the CIA director, saying, do not say you brief the CIA. You didn't brief the CIA. In real life, I did brief the CIA. I was down there to actually do something in Washington. I was down there and I briefed the CIA director.

1:25:17 We drew straws he could go to Langley because none of us wanted to go. Okay, I drew the short straw. Okay, I'll go to Langley. And so I know what it's like. You don't just get in. You don't just walk in and say I want to brief you. You know what happened was he cornered the director and his wife at a dinner party and started talking to him about his stuff. All right, And the director said in the letter you cornered my wife and I at a dinner party. This does not constitute a briefing. You need to go through proper channels for that.

1:25:45 This was not that. Please cease and desist. Thank you, James Woolsey, and I got the letter run here somewhere. He has not done that, and he keeps perpetuating that he has briefed every president and every all the CIA directors since god knows when, because started in every story. Yeah, no, one's shutting them down. That's the thing. The government doesn't say, Well, it's just a jerk. I'm not getting a shut down whatever, right, and you'll cross the wrong person. He will, he will, and honestly mark you saying that.

1:26:24 It just it re certifies my my my respect for you. I will tell you a little story. Uh, while we were shooting my recent movie. It has to do with a lot more of the paranormal themes more so than the UFO stuff. And there was one point in that movie process where someone was like, oh, we can just it wasn't part of my I'm not in a name anyone, but they were basically saying, just lean into it, make you fake it. I don't want to say it but and my girlfriend was there, she like, I stopped my tracks and I just said, that is not what I'm about.

1:27:13 I'm here for the truth. And I like it's it. I see that now the people that you hold to the highest degree, right that you think that they're the cleanest, they have the cleanest bill, they're willing to let their morals go for a monetary value. And it scares me in this field, and I think that's why money is involved with the UFO topic. People get a little weary. For instance, the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance is now requiring a donation to the five oh one Seat three in order to remain a founding member.

1:28:02 Now I'm not saying that this is an example, but a lot of people are going to leave that organization now. And you know, you just when money gets involved for some reason, there there's just seems to be a disconnect with the community. But you know, it's it's it's good to know that there are people like you who can't be bought, purchased or nudged in any certain direction. Yeah, I have no reason to do it, you know, I don't care about fame and fortune. I don't have an ego to bruise. It's all about ego.

1:28:36 People think, oh, look at what I'm on TV. You know what, I haven't watched anything I've been on. Really, I'm very few. I mean, if I see it's on, I'll say, oh, that was I remember that shirt? Right? More pizza? I don't. I'm not impressed with that. You know, my appearance on TV I don't care about. And that's the thing. You know, people think TV not just another medium. Yeah you know. I mean there's people with more YouTube subscribers than people who watch TV. Okay, so I don't think that's a big deal to me.

1:29:10 You know, I'm about the passion of my astronomy. I'm about the passion of UFO, you know, truth seeking And as far as the paranormal goes, that's not as far out of my wheelhouse as you may think. Because our show that we did for Discovery Plus called Alien Invasion Hudson Valley. I was a cast member on that show, and we actually did do investigations of a haunted house and in a forest. And one of the things that I realized is that today's paranormal could end up being tomorrow's science. And that's the phrase I use and I don't have a problem if you want to use it, okay, because we recognize it as paranormal, But is it parent normal or just science.

1:30:01 We don't understand. I'll give you an example I had had. I had brain surgery thirty years ago, and they they had to put one in, just kidding. They had to take out something that was killing me, and they did and I survived. But long term effects were that

1:30:23 I would hear people talking that weren't there, you know, and I would I know, hear voices on my ahead right, But I didn't say kill your dog, kill your dog. No. It just was like people talking in a room. It's like being in a room full of people all the time. It happened, it's happening now, and I just learned to ignore it. For a period of time, they had me on drugs to try and get rid of these sounds because it was it was too much debilitated. I abandoned those drugs because the drugs were debilitating and I wanted to be very very clear.

1:30:54 So that was years and years ago. I stopped that and it was much much better for that. So I would hear sounds and then all of a sudden I started seeing people that weren't there. Now, if you consider the way I saw things, these are things that people would say you saw a ghost, you saw a ghost. Ohm, I that's a ghost. I was brushing my teeth and I turned around and it was a woman. Oh. I dropped the soneicure toothbrush on the tile floor. It made a loud cracking sound. And this woman was standing there and she had this I only saw like the outlining, kind of three dimensional shape, because he looked like water without the shine and you know, didn't have a form.

1:31:36 I could see a long flowing outside of it reminded me of a dress and narrow shoulders. So I thought it was like a woman just standing there. So I picked up a toothbrush and she was gone. So I thought that was weird. And so another time, coincidentally, in that same location, I saw a guy walk by the door in a sport coat. The reason I knew it was a sport coat again I couldn't see it. It had squared off sleeve, squared off shoulders. And thought, that looks like a guy in a sport coat. And I looked out of the door and I watched him walk right into the other wall.

1:32:07 And vanish, and I'm like exactly, and I'm saying and I'm thinking to myself, my brain is playing tricks on me. Man So, and I was easy. I listened. I attributed it to the surgery years earlier. This is a latent issue. I felt that my brain was playing back scenes that it had seen at some point in its past. Okay, so that accounted for the voices I was hearing. It's free playing conversations I've heard. That's what I thought was going on people I saw. So every time I saw something like this, which is by the way, every day to this day, I would look at it and say, that's just something my brain saw once and now it's playing it back.

1:32:49 It was so powerful. I went to a neurologist and got fitted with this this, this, this device on my head and a long string of cables. I looked like one of the borg and this pack I had to wear. And every time I saw something, I pushed the button. I was pushing it all the time. Oh here comes another thing. Oh that looks like a dog, that looks like a mouse, that looks like a person. I just keep pushing the button because I kept seeing them. They went through this and said, we went to all the events you triggered, and it was absolutely nothing going on in the brain at the time.

1:33:23 So your brain is acting normally, so it's not producing right what they're basically saying, it's not it's not active in producing what. Yeah, but I needed that information because as a scientist, what you have to do is you seek You have a hypothesis, so now you try to get data. I was prepared to hear them say, yes, this is clearly got some events going on in the brain, this is the part of this part is lighting up, blah blah blah. Never didn't happen. So I went to the step two, and that was to try and focus on lists, think to the conversations I'm hearing and see if I could understand words.

1:34:03 And I, after listening very intently, I could. I heard things like are you gonna go? Yeah, I'm gonna go, I'll be there, I'm gonna go tomorrow, Yeah, I'll see you later. All right, Hey bye, Hey, Look at that's that's a cool daily conversation. Nothing directed at me at all. Nothing, Hey, Mark, what's going now? Nothing like that. All just like you're in a room full of people listening and looking at observing at a party and hearing voices. That's what it was. So amid this cacophony of sound, I could isolate a couple of things and hear just ordinary conversation.

1:34:39 All right, that's that's data. So then I'm working on a prop for a movie I was doing with Doug Studio again. And as I'm building this prop, I'm excited. I'm gonna plumbing it for liquid nitrogen so we can have this smoke pouring out of it when it opens up. Really really cool stuff. And in fact, it was an EMP pulse generator I was building. And so in doing that, I look and I see this this thing come walking into my shop, another creature, and it turned around and then laid down. It looked like I thought, that's what it was doing, and it looked like a Pekinese dog, like yeap yap dog is kind of bouncing gate, you know, And then it turned around and laid down.

1:35:18 Then I saw this rhythmic motion like it was licking itself or something. So I put down the tools and I started walking over to it, and I looked at it on the ground, and as I got over it, I could see the other side of it. Okay, that's data, because if your brain was replaying a projection of something that saw, your brain would have no idea what's on the other side. Other side? Yeah, it was so how I didn't know? So I thought that was pretty interesting. So then I decided to do the thing that changed everything, and I just step on it.

1:35:49 So I stepped on it with my left foot. When I stepped on it with my left foot, that's when the world changed, because now all of a sudden, it recogniz I stepped on it. It got up and ran out of my shop, and as it did, it took my foot with it, and my foot was like flying up into the air. Like imagine a bungee cord wrapped around your ankle, okay, right around the bottom, right around the bottom of your shoe, right where it meets the floor. And imagine somebody running away with that bungee cord. How long could you handle that before your foot snapped up?

1:36:23 Okay, So I'm leaning into it to try and prevent my foot from snapping up. And as I'm leaning into it, it got too great. The force took over. Next thing I know, my left foot, my left leg extends out in front of me, hyper extends my left knee. The same time my right leg is now coming up and I'm falling now in my shop and this shoulder hits a workbench. Pow. I fall over and hit my head on the concrete floor. All right, now, that just happened, I said to myself. I got up and I'm going, Oh, my gosh, was like the coolest.

1:37:00 That was incredible. How yeah, you just you might always concussion, but yeah. I went to the hospital media. I had to go to the er immediately, actually, because from that point forward I couldn't move this arm, and I thought maybe I broke my shoulder or something. And my left leg, the knee was hyper extended. It hurt for a few days, but it got better, so I didn't have to worry about that. Hyperprofen took care of that. Okay. So when the doctor asked how it happened, I said, I fell. I wasn't gonna tell him this.

1:37:34 Well, I figured out in my mind, I think I know what happened, okay, and I coined a phrase, I think and I just sent me on a study of parallel universes. Okay. I started looking into parallel universes and found that it was actually a surprising amount of papers written in the Astrophysical Journal in Nature, and then these other and these other periodical periodic documents that talk about out parallel universes. And one of them talks about the fact that we have these concurrent shells of universes that were all commingled, and sometimes they will punch into the other one, like there's my knuckle coming up through that work comes through.

1:38:17 That's the universe down here poking into this universe up here. And wherever that happens, that particular location right there is where someone could see something if they were there, right And maybe that's what we're calling ghosts. Okay, It doesn't mean that that's all it is. It means that maybe that's what we're calling it. So I came up with this term a PUI parallel universe incursion. And these parallel universe incursions would actually make sense, okay. And I don't just say things without data, And I got some data to tell you about, okay.

1:38:54 And this makes sense because if there's a parallel universe and there's other life forms that make their way across the dimensions into ours, they don't know they're here, they may see weird things themselves and not know what they're seeing. Okay, So if that parallel universe incursion occurs, it's possible that by stepping on that thing that then got up and ran away because it felt like it was stepped on, constitutes rudimentary communication across universes. Think about that. That's weird. Now, that could also be considered paranormal and ghost hunting, wouldn't it.

1:39:30 You could do that. Maybe some of the same tools can dig out some of the data to show us what's really going on there. Maybe. So that said, I began to think that this was a parallel universe incursion and that maybe crazy as it sounds, and you know, you just can't deny the possibility. That's all I'm asking you to think about. You can't deny the possibility. Maybe this was something where the object that was here was from a different universe, a different set of dimensions. And if that's the case, that made sense to me.

1:40:08 I'll tell you why it made sense. When we look at the Big Bang and the theory about how the universe began, we figured there's got to be a certain amount of mass to make up this primordial fireball. Otherwise it couldn't have been a fireball. Well, that amount of mass doesn't exist. We have missing masks, we don't know where it is. Well, what if our bang was more of a pop, a part of a bigger link bang or another one another another big bang? And what if there's universes out there that are arranged.

1:40:48 I heard the soap SuDS theory, concentric bubbles. I mean, any one of those theories could be interesting. At the border where those things meet, you could see something potentially. So it's far out, it's far out, can't prove it. Could it? Also, it sounds like it also could account for some of these cryptid sightings. Maybe. I mean, I'm not arrogant. I'm not gonna be an arrogant science guy and say, oh, sure, that's stupid. I'm not I'm gonna do that, because if it's another universe bleeding over.

1:41:27 Yeah, after all I've seen and experienced, I would have to say that I've gone from being very regimented in my thinking to being wide open because I had to be, because otherwise you're lying to yourself, you know, and I won't lie. I mean, I think that it's possible that there could be some connections. I don't believe everything is real that people talk about. No, I don't believe that cup of coppers existed there. Okay, not not the way they're defined. But maybe it's an animal that has yet to be discovered.

1:41:59 There's plenty of those out there, and I think that maybe bigfoot could be one of them. I've offered my infrared drones to I have one infrared drone, uh to the bigfoot people you know, all over the country, and not one person has taken me up on the offer to do an infrared bigfoot hunt. Why. I'll find out the answer. What's the deal, I'll do it. I'll take you up on that offer. Well, we gotta we gotta do a big foot run somewhere. Let's do it, man, I'm serious. Wow. So do you think that there's a possibility that you absolutely not that you are seeing That's whatever happened, you know, procedurally, you know, whatever, something gave you the ability to see more than I can.

1:42:56 I don't think that. I don't think I'm special. I think that I just became aware because of the fact that I had an experience that I actually started to probe and pay attention to, you know, and I didn't have any scientific instrumentation at all to start probing this lady in my bathroom, the guy in the suit and the dog. I didn't have any of that. But I just started to formulate a theory. And it doesn't mean that I have any more capability. I don't. I don't think of myself as special in any way. You know, I think that everybody has the ability to do what other people do and experience.

1:43:39 I think they have the ability. It's just that for whatever reason, their lives and the things they do getting away and you know, I'm running my own business. I'm at home twenty four to seven when I'm not traveling, which is also a lot. It's a good amount of time. Yeah, yeah, but it's like, you know, I'm working to make ends meet, just like everybody else. But you know, I'm alone. I'm alone now, I mean, there's no one here. So the bottom line is I get a chance to meditate and think about things, and does that make me more of a target for these things?

1:44:11 I can't answer that yes or no. I don't know what the answer is. So it's weird stuff, granted, But I do know that you know, as soon as you stop wondering what's going on out there. You're done, you know, you gotta keep pushing. That's what I do. Yeah, absolutely, my friend. And then I listen, I'm not gonna lie. That investigates the the place we went when we were filming with that where the person told me to lean into it so to say there was stuff that happened while filming that I can't explain, and I that is good enough for me.

1:45:01 It brought me to the line of saying, Okay, I really think there's something here. And you know these hot spots, you know off the northern tip of Catalina, Skinwalker Ranch, the Bridgewater Triangle, the Bermuda Triangle, do you think that these spots maybe uh places of incursion or where the let's say, the the lines between universes blur a little. Well. I was just talking to Darcy where yesterday he did trans medium that that USO show fantastic, and I was talking him about the Kitsikawa Marouse story where a Japanese freighter crew watched objects moving in and out of the water at this latitude and lunge which they gave, and that latitude and longitude corresponds exactly to the very end of the Marianna's trench.

1:46:08 Right. Interesting, right. And as far as experiences that occur while filming, we were doing Alien Invasion Hudson Valley over in New York State and we were supposed to go to a place called Nuclear Lake, and we didn't go because the guy that was supposed to take us was he says, was approached by men in black and told if he goes there, he's going to get killed. Okay, and I know this guy very well and he doesn't lie. So something happened that spooked him and he wouldn't go to that lake, and that was supposed to be in the production.

1:46:46 But anyway, well, that's yeah, that's that, that alone is something crazy. I just want to pause. Is this a person you trust? Of course, I've known for years and he was spooked enough to not go there to include it in the production? Absolutely? Absolutely, that wouldn't do it, and and they you wouldn't. Didn't matter what the money was, he wasn't going to bring people there because his life was worth more. That's how we looked at it. Yeah, so he gives afraid Okay, that's fine. Uh, And I totally understand and agree with his result.

1:47:24 Resolved not to go. But while filming this haunted house, the homeowner was telling us about this creature that apparently lives in the house, and she said, don't say the name, because if you say the name, bad things happen. And in my head, and I know this woman very well, I've known her for years, and I said, oh, that's crazy. Come on. They said the name over and over in my head. Okay, so yeah, what's going to happen? As soon as I said that, and this is on cameray, my feet got frozen to the floor right in place.

1:48:02 I couldn't move. Ben Hansen was there, because Ben was another cast member on the show, and I said, Ben, I can't move. I can't move Ben. He goes to remark, what's wrong, And we're trying to move me. My feet aren't moving, and I started feeling tingling going up on the top of my feet, into my calves, up my knees, thighs, pelvis, all the way up and when it got to here, and I literally felt like a head, a disembodied head in my head. I said, okay, I believe you, and it all went away and I could move again.

1:48:33 Absolute truth. Okay, that's on film that I don't remember, but I think that's actually in the show. And I did not want that to be in the show because I was panicked, I was pain didn't want it. Yeah, You're like, no, I didn't. I don't want that in the show because people just can you know, you know why, because people are just gonna believe that it was a stunt, like you did it for the production for the Banana And I don't ever sell out for that shit. Excuse me, no, no, no, no, no, no, nobly. So I was actually really taken aback by that.

1:49:06 So I have obviously had weird things happen too. And I know that it's a very strange world. There's a lot going on out there that we do not understand, right, And I'm not going to sit there and say it's not happening. Yeah, And I think you know, that's the problem with some of the mainstream academics is or the let's say, the public faces of science and that is that sometimes it seems that they're they live in this black and white world. And keep in mind where that's coming from. Okay, I don't have a university affiliation.

1:49:45 I have to protect I don't have shareholders. I have to protect. I don't have endowments that I have to protect when you have that going few folks. I don't have a salary that isn't generated by my own work that I have to protect. So I'm independent, and so I don't have to worry about somebody firing me. I'd have to fire me. I'm the guy to fire me, Okay, so don't point at me. I'm not fired. That was a close Hey, that was a close one, pal So uh Anyway, So that said, I think it gives you a little bit more willingness to jump in with both fee when you're pulling your own strings and no one's pulling your strings.

1:50:35 So that's what I say. It's funny, right and people you know, not in string theory, but you know what I mean. That's what I was circled. People in people in science are beholding to other people that put them there, you know, in some ways. And so when that happens, you've got to be really careful what you say and what you're willing to admit publicly and what you was thinking privately might be a different thing. So and I've seen that with some people in science. Jaby Lobe certainly took that on.

1:51:10 Neil de Grass actually finally took that on. So obviously things are changing. The tide is a changing, and I see it happening, and I think it is, you know, I think it. Do you think there's a possibility that there is some sort of controlled disclosure underway? I don't know if that's true. I think that what we saw in the congressional hearing was absolutely incredible. I think that that was a sure sign that something good is coming out. Now when you hear someone say, we have bodies, a guy from the CIA, we have occupants, Okay, can you tell us about them?

1:51:58 Not in an open hearing, we have to do in a classified briefing. And then they have the classified briefing and then centers and congress people who are in there come out and when they're asked about it, say, and you see the look on their face and it's like, yeah, it's it's crazier than I realized. Basically, you know, that tells you something right there, you know. So they were blown away, the tieser disheveled. It's like, you know, they they they had a little uh reckoning to deal with themselves, you know, about the reality of their world, right And I think I think I think for a lot of people in in government, especially the older folk.

1:52:39 No, not to generalize, but I think they have very hard faiths some of them. Hey, it's Tyler, host of Total Disclosure. I hope you enjoyed today's episode, and I just want to mind you guys that you can become members and or send super chat super thanks and help support the show. Uh. You can also check out our new merch shop that does include Total Disclosure merchandise. Now it's so worth it and there's many denominations you can choose from from one to ninety nine all the way up to nine ninety nine.

1:53:25 Guys, we hope to hear from you soon. If you want to reach out to the show, feel free to dm me on Twitter, on Facebook, Instagram. And this can challenge aspects of that. I don't see why it does, but nonetheless it does, so I mean, I guess my my question would be that you know, how can what advice would you give to like a young scientist who's interested in pursuing a career in astronomy but also the search for extraterrestrial life And you know, I know, we know SETI exists, but yeah, well extraterrestrial life.

1:54:17 That's my specialty, right. My book is The Populated Universe talks about the populated universe. It talks about why the universe is probably a fundamental haven for life and not the opposite. And that has to do with lots of things. With the outline in the book, you know, a carbon number four in the elemental abundance in the universe. We're made of carbon. We need oxygen to breathe. Oxygen fills our atmosphere sets out like a blazing blue beacon into the universe, and any civilization worth its salt that's carbon based is going to look for other carbon based life like we're doing.

1:54:53 And so it's going to look for oxygenated atmospheres like we have because we need that to survive. It's going to find oxygen in our plant. It stands out like a sore thumb. I know, Stephen Hawking said, let's keep out of site. Let's not you know, get out there into the galactic arena. We already have. Two and a half billion years ago, oxygen started building up in our atmosphere. And what's kind of great. It was a great oxidation event to goe and that happened a lot quicker than people realized, and you know in science for a long time, and that oxygenation was from cyanobacteria, blue green algae, plankton, phytoplankton, and that meant that there was life and erosions, and any civilization worth its salt is going to look at this planet and say, there's oxygen in the atmosphere and it's staying there.

1:55:42 Oxygen that is in an atmosphere would tend to dive out of the atmosphere and bond with all kinds of compounds, because oxygen oxidizes, oxidizes, Yeah, and so it would leave the atmosphere very very quickly in relative terms. And so if it stays there for a thousand years or ten thousand years or one hundred thousand years, or if you see a planet that shows evidence that it's had oxygen for a long long time, you can be fairly certain that that oxygen was created by life, because it's life that creates oxygen.

1:56:14 It's to phytal plankton right in the forests. Of course, Actually the plankton are eighty seven percent of the oxygen on their planet. Yeah, that was something that recently was told in I was blown away, so what is the great oxidation event? I've never heard that term. Is that when our atmosphere was essentially created. No, no, the atmosphere was already there, and the influx of oxygen into the atmosphere occurred two and a half billion years ago, and the oxygen levels that we have today were not what they had then, but the oxygen started to increase at an exponential rate, which was I see you have gone into a black hole.

1:56:57 I just did you see that? Yeah, you're in a black hole right now? What is going on? Oh my god, I just got cut out. That's funny. You're gonna go full screen for a minute while I fix that. That's fine. So the great oxidation event was where oxygen built up in an atmosphere, and that started around two and a half billion years ago, and the oxygen levels fluctuated over time. Carbon dioxide levels of fluctuated over time. I have a record actually going back five hundred million years of all the levels of carbon dioxide and oxygen and other elements in a atmosphere, and everything is a major fluctuation.

1:57:35 Way up, high way down low, way up, high way down low. So seeing carbon dioxide climb right now, it doesn't really bother me so much. I know that humans are affecting our planet, but I think that the level to which we affect them has been grossly overstated, because we think we're doing more to the planet than the Earth itself can do. Like when the BP oil spill occurred, I was talking to one of the CEOs of the major oil company. I was actually on the phone with him every day. Actually, he called me every day to give me a report on the spill.

1:58:10 Why. I guess he wanted a sympathetic ear from someone who believed they could handle the fix. I guess. I don't know what it was. But when Charles would call me, he would say, this is what we're doing, this is what's happening. And I said, well, you know, you've got a lot of methane that's seeping out into the ocean there at Charles he goes, yeah, I know, I said, And he goes, and they're saying it's going to create a giant dead spot in the Gulf of Mexico. And I said to him, Charles, actually that may not be true, but please don't take my word for this.

1:58:42 Okay, you have to let it play out because you have no choice, right now. But when you have something like this happened, there's a lot of bacteria in the ocean that will rise to the occasion and rise to start consuming that methane. So I don't suspect that you're going to see a major dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico like all the environmentals are claiming. I said, I'm not saying that because I'm on the side of big oil, and he laughed, right, But I'm saying that because I think it's the scientific truth.

1:59:12 And guess what. The methane bloom disappeared in a period of a month, right and away it went. And why because the methane eating bacteria bloomed themselves and ate it all up and then reduced back to their normal numbers. Right. So, in other words, the Earth has a way of dealing with this stuff. It's been dealing with it, we have, you know. And when he talked about the millions of gallons getting into the water, I said, well, each year, there's hundreds of millions of gallons seeping into the oceans in natural seeps, you know, because the ocean floor is cracked and fissured and oil seeps up right into the ocean where we get the oil from the earth.

1:59:50 Yeah, So the question is, yeah, yeah, that's right. So why is it that people think that their ocean are so clean and wonderful when we have all these natural seeps of you know, one hundred million gallons a year roughly, I don't remember the exact number. Wow, but yeah, I even have to look that up. But they're called natural seeps, seep, and the natural seep is something that will put all this oil into the water. So how come when you go to the ocean you don't come out and see an oil sheen on your skin?

2:00:21 How come we don't look out in the ocean and see an oil slick, you know, a rainbow slick, because the Earth has a way of dealing with these, it always has. It's on the surface, it's on the surface. Yes. Then it ends up colliding and creting onto particles that get heavy, fall down to the bottom, then roll around on the bottom like tar balls and get reabsorbed into the ocean floor. Okay. And then methane eating bacteria get loose, and hydrocarbon eating bacteria get loose and start plowing away and eating at the oil as well.

2:00:52 So there's all kinds of things that happen naturally to offset some of these things that occur. It's natural the earth was doing it. In other words, a niche is opening up. Oh more oil, more methane. Oh, it's a niche for a kind of life that likes methane and boom out comes of life and boom, there goes the oil and there goes the methane. Rather so, see, so the earth has a way of self regulating, and that's something that it goes unnoticed, unstated many times. And that's that that really bothers me, because they should state that and be very clear about it.

2:01:28 The Earth is almost would you I hate to put like say this in a way like or put you on a spot. It seems like the earth is almost it's a living creature in itself. Well, there's the gay hypothesis where the Earth is alive, and it certainly acts like something that's responsive when something occurs, like an oil spill. The Earth has a way of cleaning it up. Not in a way that we understand as life would do it, but in a way that seems to be a process created by the plethora of life on this planet and the different types of life that you eat, different things.

2:02:05 And that's checks balance. The Earth is a big check in balance machine. It's amazing. It's amazing. And I don't you know, I and and and and probably we wrap it up in a couple of minutes. And I could talk to you all day, but you have Yeah, people tend to think they you know, these the religious folk, they're they're like, oh, you know, I wanted to get into I want to get into heaven, you know. And and listen, that's amazing, that is amazing, do you boo? But I don't think people truly realize what a power dice that we but that we live on right now, That that that people take for granted for sure, you know?

2:03:01 And is that why? And you know, is that why? Is our humans the reason UFOs are here? Or is Earth the reason UFOs are here? I believe Earth is the reason. And I'll tell you why, because, as I said, I'm a carbon bigot. That's right, you're looking as someone who's prejudiced. I am. Carbon is the thing. I think that life in the universe is by and large going to be carbon based. Carbon is the only element in the periodic table with the flexibility to bond with and break bonds with more things than any other element, even silicon.

2:03:39 People say, oh, silicon, silicon based life. Now, silicon is a maker of crystal lattices many times, and it's a very robust bond maker, not a really good bond breaker. In fact, you can tell all your friends next time you go to the beach, Hey, you know you're walking on mostly gas. Huh yeah, silicon dioxide, one silicon atom and two oxygen atoms. Hey, by adom cownt you're walking on mostly gas pal Hey see you later, right, Yeah, that's true. So the bottom line is that silicon dioxide and and things like that, you can break those bonds, okay by burning it under high temperature.

2:04:20 But there's not many chemicals that can disassociate a grain of sand into its particles, right, so into atoms, so the original atoms. So you know, you got to look at the robustness of the bonding process. And silicon is a great bonder. It loves to make bonds and it doesn't like to let them go. Okay. So uh And and silicon's right below carbon in that column in the periodic table carbon right N six, Yeah, down you have silicon, well carbon, silicon and what's below and above. Those elements below carbon are the most like elements to each other that could do what carbon does us.

2:05:00 That's what the columns kind of mean. So you would think the next most likely element that could do what carbon does is right below it, and that's silicon. And that's why people say what about silicon life because of this property. But it's a night and day difference. Silicon doesn't make nearly as many bonds as carbon can, and your body right now is making him breaking carbon bonds as we speak, by the thousands and thousands of billions. Okay, So if you had silicon in you, it would just sit there, right, It wouldn't be able to break it.

2:05:32 They make it, but it wouldn't break it. Right, It might end up in your kidney and you pass it as a kidney stoners. I don't know. That's probably a different thing, but still it's a joke. But the bottom line is silicon would be inert to your body. It wouldn't be something that you could utilize in any way. Okay, all right, all right, then that's

2:05:54 God, I know, right, that's how it works. It's really every time I have a conversation, dear man, it's it's It's like we went from going about like like how to travel from here to there in a heartbeat, to the deep ocean, to oil the you know, the the congressional hearings, to you my experiences. Yeah, yeah, you know, to a lot. Yeah, there's a lot there. Man, this is like six shows. Yeah. That Well, what I want to start doing with the show and with YouTube specifically, because the audio platforms we do very well with.

2:06:32 It's it's YouTube that we have a problem with, and it's it's frustrating. But what I want to do is I want to do more profiles on people in ufology. Uh. And you know you're in Connecticut, You're really close. So I would love to talk to you more about that and and what my plans are because I I've already talked to other people in move On, like Kathleen mar In, Earl Gray Anderson and doing and profile like doing short, you know, hour long profiles on them and what they've contributed in their story in ufology.

2:07:11 And I think they would be really cool to get. You've done so much and I don't think people give you enough credit. And well I don't sit there and crow about it, you know, I mean, yeah, I don't tell you about I mean, we didn't even talk about the missing time I had when I was like nine or ten years old, right, you know, and that's what got me into astronomy. You know, there's a whole path there. You know, there's a lot of a lot of circuitous bends. Yeah, that life takes you through and uh and and and each person, the way they get here to this field, to this uh topic, to to this community, whatever you want to call it, it amazes me.

2:07:54 Yeah, because it's it's it's some thing that it's like no other when you get entered into it. It's not like something else where you can just walk away from it because there's just so many questions and like the existential type of questions, and it's just I don't know, whatever gets a person to start thinking openly, in my book, is a good thing. So Mark, it's always great to have a conversation with you. I know, you got the Jimmy Church gig tonight, so I don't want to keep it too much longer to talk to you.

2:08:41 It's always good to talk to you. And and like I said, we're going to talk because first off, I really do want to do that profile. But what do you got going on in the future or up upcoming future, anything that you want to shout out. I just just let a whole bunch of string of conferences, and right now my summer is relatively clear. I am teaching a course on three D printing lunar craters later on this month,

2:09:09 and uh, it's gonna be in in in place. It's gonna be with three D printers around me. We're gonna be a special lab doing that. That's gonna be cool. And I'm also gonna teach cratering how creaters work, and we're gonna actually make craters, you know, by using large objects being thrown into simulated lunar soil that I've made. So it's actually a pretty cool process. Wow. Yeah, you'll see crater rays made and understand you can do all kinds of calculations too to figure out the mass of the object that's struck.

2:09:38 You know, there's all kinds of cool things we could do. But then we're gonna look at three D prints of craters because I make three D prints. I've got a very high end three D printer here. It's right there. Okay, it's made by any cubic it's an s L a d LP printer and it prints out things as smooth as this and you take them off the machine and they're already done. No cleanup, well some clean up, depending on what you're doing. So really cool. Uh so we're gonna be doing a lot of that. I've got filament printers too.

2:10:15 There's one over on the other side of my office right there. That's a filament printer, the TAZ six by Lullsbot. Uh and uh, as you can see, I'm in my ship, that's my office. That's actually really cool. Yeah. Yeah, Well I worked for the Navy a lot, so it's a good theme. Yeah. Yeah. The whole office is I gotta hat. You got a hatch to get in. You turn the hatch and get in and so oh oh my god, I got some so yeah that yeah, that's amazing. That is amazing. And so and you do skytoor yeah skyche Skyter live stream is our live observatory.

2:10:59 Uh and we it's a remote observatory. It's twenty five twenty six hundred miles away from me. We have another one going in that will be twenty four hundred miles away from me down in Benson, Arizona. We already got the equipment where we've broken ground, so we're going to be installing that one in the next few months. But last night, for instance, we did a sky tour. We started at eleven thirty and went till about two am. Yeah, and I had people from all over the world watching, And I highly recommend everyone head over to that YouTube channel and subscribe it.

2:11:34 It's just it's amazing and your work with move On again. Just more credit to you, Mark, absolutely a wonderful show, and definitely want to work with you on something in the future. I'm sure we'll figure it out. Ty all right, brother, So for everyone out there, make sure to like, share, subscribe, and if you're listening on all those great podcasts flopt forms, leave a review. It's free and you know it really helps me, so thank you, and we can reach a really broader audience just with the reviews you don't yeah exactly.

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