Donald Trump and Joe Rogan- SPECIAL PRESENTATION

0:00 Speaker 1: All right, So this is a special presentation. It is going to be an episode from Joe Rogan, him and Donald Trump. I'm going to be in DC this week for the UFO hearings, so there will be no podcast. We're putting this out as a special presentation. Once we get back from DC, i'll put that podcast together. I have a bunch of different full length interviews that I'll be able to put out, and then we're going to compile it into a short film. So it'd be really fun and I can't wait to see guys when.

0:36 Speaker 2: We get back.

0:43 Speaker 3: Here we go. One of the things I wanted to talk to you about. I wanted to play this, but we decided we shouldn't play it because it could get copyright strike and we don't want to get the episode. We don't want anybody to have any sort of a way to get it down. Sure, but it was the episode of you when You're on the View, and I think it was twenty fifteen or two thousand and six, when you were running for president and you sat you got introduced as our friend Donald Trump. Will Be Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss.

1:17 Speaker 3: Joy Behar gives you a big hug. Barbara Walters gives you a big hug. They all loved you. They were all talking about how you might be you might be conservative in your financial positions, but you're very liberal socially. They were talking about you is such a favorable light. The audience was cheering, and then you actually started winning in the polls, and then the machine started working towards you. But it's there's probably no one in history that I've ever seen that's been attacked the way you've been attacked and the way they've done it so coordinated and systematic.

1:59 Speaker 3: When you see those same people in the past very favorable to you, like Oprah. When you were on oprah show, she was encouraging you.

2:06 Speaker 2: Last week I did one of her last shows, I think maybe Thursday or that was a big deal being on Oprah's show, the last one, and I was like one of the last shows in that last that final week, and I said, boy, we've come a long way since since that. What was it like, Well, the concept it was really like two different lives. You know. I had a very wonderful life, but I wanted to do this. The Apprentice was still going very strong. We had twelve seasons, and we had actually fourteen seasons, twelve years over.

2:39 Speaker 2: They had a couple well.

2:40 Speaker 3: They canceled the Apprentice when you were running for president. Correct.

2:43 Speaker 2: No, they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it. I was involved in that and I had enough of it, and we did great. It was doing great. But they wanted me to stay. They all came to see me. They said, we're going to give you a contract. They wanted to extend my contract. Mark Burnett is a great guy, and I wanted to extend the contract. Mark said, you're crazy. Don't run. Don't run. Nobody gives up prime time. They said, you know, it's one of those little things, which is probably true.

3:09 Speaker 3: Nobody for the.

3:09 Speaker 2: Rest, for running well, for running against twenty some odd people. You know, it turned out to be eighteen eighteen professional people, you know, mostly politicians. They said, who would do this? I mean it's a long shot. Actually, the heads of NBC came over, the Paul te Legne, all the top people came over to see me, try and talk me out of it because they wanted to have me extend. The Apprentice was doing well. So it was fourteen seasons. It was twelve years. We had won two seasons where we had a double which rarely happens.

3:40 Speaker 2: It was just a hot show, and I said, you know, I want to do this. What happened is previously, like three years four years before that, they did a poll, they had Mitt Romney, and somehow they put me in a poll and I blew everybody away. I blew him away, which isn't that hard, frankly, but I blew everybody away. And I said, that's interesting because I never really gave it that much real thought. I thought about it, but never real thought. But I saw these polls were very good, and so I was thinking about doing it then, but I had a contract with the Apprentice.

4:10 Speaker 2: Plus I was building two big buildings at the time, and I wanted to make sure they got finished up properly. And it's one of those things the kids were just sort of getting involved. They're very capable kids, but they were getting involved early on. So I did that. I got them done. I had some very good successes and I came on and then I thought about it for the next one after the Romney disaster, and I ran and I won against Hillary and there was quite an experience. But it was a different life because you're right the view.

4:39 Speaker 2: I was in the view many many times, and they loved me.

4:44 Speaker 3: Just the way people would talk. I mean, even if people had criticisms about you, people that didn't like you. There was always feuds and stuff like that. But the reality was the thing turned on you when they found out that you were going to be president. It was very coordinated, and some people are catching onto that now. There's a lot of people that were longtime Democrats like Elon and Bill Ackman and all these different very intelligent people.

5:06 Speaker 2: And they support me. Bill very supportive to.

5:10 Speaker 3: What this one. I wanted to ask you, what was it like when you actually got in, because nobody really can prepare you for that. When you're running for president, you don't really know what it's going to be like when you actually get into office. What was the what did you think there was.

5:24 Speaker 2: Going to be in office? Or when I decided to run, when you got in, when I was so when I was in and won and was in the White House essentially, well, first of all, it was very surreal. It's very interesting. When I got shot, it wasn't surreal. That should have been surreal. When I was laying in the ground, I knew exactly what was going on. I knew exactly where I was hit. They were saying you were hit all over the place because it was so much blood from the ear. You would know that better than anyone when they get the ear turn anyway.

5:55 Speaker 2: So and I was thinking at the other day when when that happened, I really knew where I was. I knew exactly what happened. I said, I wasn't hit anywhere. With the with the presidency. It was a very surreal experience.

6:10 Speaker 3: Okay, and what's day one life? So in Yeah, you get inaugurated. Holy, I'm the president.

6:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what happened. So I'm driving down Pennsylvania Avenue. I just built a building on Pennsyl. You know the hotel, the old post office it was. We called it Trump National Hotel, and we sold it to the Waldorf Astoria and it was a wonderful thing. But I'm driving down, I'm passing the hotel. You've never seen so many motorcycles, police, military, you know. It was a major thing. I got off really the first time I used Air Force One landed and we're coming down and there were it was very beauty.

6:49 Speaker 2: I mean, it was incredible, and we're going down Pennsylvania Avenue in the opposite direction. You know, normally you used to go in one way, and all of a sudden, you're going the other way. The street was loaded up, and I wanted to go out and I wanted to wave to everybody, but that wasn't smart. You know, they can a little bit dangerous, right, I mean when you watch like Kennedy and some of else. Right, But I really felt, I don't know, the love was so crazy, and so I did get out of the car for a brief, you know, just for a very short walk.

7:20 Speaker 2: I thought it was very important to do. And Malania got out with a beautiful dress on that became sort of a staple. People loved it. And Barren and were walking down the street, but we're really got amazing. We get to the White House and now it's a little bit, a little bit before dark, beautiful, and we went up to the President's quarters they call them the Presidential Quarters, and I'm standing in this beautiful hallway. You know, it's funny, nobody ever talks about the White House as being beautiful inside.

7:55 Speaker 2: You know, you think it's going to be everything's going to be all metal doors and stuff. It's not it's so beautiful. I made my money largely on luxury. The hallway is like twenty five feet wide. The ceiling heights are know every it's so beautiful. But I was standing there and I said to the guys, I want to see the Lincoln bedroom. I had never seen the Lincoln bedroom. I'd heard about the Lincoln bedroom. And I was standing with my wife. I said, do you believe it? This is the Lincoln bedroom. I mean, it was like it was.

8:28 Speaker 2: It was amazing, because it's luck if you love the country. But he or the Lincoln bedroom and the bed. You know, he was very tall. He was six foot six, which then would be like like Baron would be like Baron Trump he's six ' nine, but six foot six. He was very tall. Then on top of that, he worked there. It is he wore that. Yeah, there it is. It's a long bed, elongated bed and because very you know, people were shorter than you see some of the chairs are very very low to the ground. Actually, but he had the long bed and they had you had the Gettysburg address right on that right under that.

9:06 Speaker 2: You can't see it here, but right there the original version of the Gettysburg address. And this is the original, and I'm looking and I just looked around. I said, do you believe this? Because I was never first So even if you were a politician, but I was never a politician. It just I sort of just started right and all of a sudden, I'm standing at the White House, and it was very, very surreal. That room was so beautiful to me, much more beautiful than it actually is, you know, to me. When I looked at the bed, and the bed you could see it was a little bit longer, had to be a little bit longer.

9:39 Speaker 2: He lost his son and they suffered, The two of them suffered from melancholia. They didn't call it depression. They called it melancholia, and they suffered from it. He was a very depressed guy and she was a very depressed woman, more so than him. And on top of that, they lost their son. His name was Tad, Tad, and it was just seeing it in the little picture, a little tiny picture, I mean, you can't see the details there, a little tiny everything in the wad was a little tiny picture of Tad, who he lost, and it was devastating.

10:17 Speaker 2: And he was, you know, he was look, he was in a war and he was having a hard time because he couldn't beat Robert E. Lee. Roberty Lee won like thirteen battles in a row, and he was getting like a phobia like a fighter, you know, not about the fight stuff. But like I went to a UFC fight and it was a champion who was fourteen and one about a year ago. You would know the names fourteen and one. And the only guy he lost to was this one guy. But the guy that he was fighting was like almost just an average fighter, lost numerous times, but he beat this one guy.

10:55 Speaker 3: So I said, Okay, I really don't know who you're talking about.

10:58 Speaker 2: I will figure it out, but about a year ago. But the point is that he lost. He wasn't nearly the fighters, but the one who was not nearly the fighter had beaten. He's the only guy that beat the champ like five years before. And I said, I'll take the guy that won the other fight, and that's what happened. He beat him a second time. Sometimes is this crazy thing Lincoln had, I don't know, I've never read this. I heard it from people in the White House who really understand what was going on with the whole life of the White House.

11:33 Speaker 2: But Lincoln had the yips about in a way as the golfers would say. He had a phobia about Roberty. Lee said, I can't beat Roberty because Roberty Lee won many battles in a row. He was just beating the hell out of you know. They tried to get Roberty Lee to be on the North, but he said, no, I have to be with my state. You know, the state was his whole thing. And he went to the South and he was I've had generals tell me we have some great generals, the real and it was not the ones you see on television, the ones that beat Isis.

12:03 Speaker 2: With me. We defeated Isis in record time. It was supposed to take years and we did it in a matter of weeks. These are great generals. These are tough guys. These are not woke guys. But their favorite general in terms of genius was Robert E. Lee. He took a strategy, strategy strategically. He took a war that should have been over in a few days, and it was, you know, years of hell, a vicious war. And so here I am standing there and again I had never really done this before. You know, I ran. I ran a number of months before I won, I probably, I guess if you figured max it out, it would be a year something like that.

12:48 Speaker 2: So I had never run for office, and I did well. I mean I went into debates. We had eighteen people including me, and then slowly but surely they started to disappear. We had debates, good debates.

13:00 Speaker 3: Everyone's wear all this stuff. What I want to get to is like, what was the experience once you got inside? It was just what did you think it was going to be like in terms of like your ability to govern? Yeah, like this is your first experience governing anything. You've never been a governor, private, private stuff business, but now all of a sudden, well they're inside the house.

13:19 Speaker 2: The biggest thing was just that first moment of being in this hallowed it was really a hallowed place. To me, it was it was beyond to me. That's that was the experience. It was a surreal experience. And then with time that wears off. With time it becomes you know your place, where you stay. And I was doing a lot of I was I had two things that I really focused on, governing the country and survival because from the moment I won, before I got to office, all of a sudden I mean they came down. I mean, nobody has ever been treated that way.

13:58 Speaker 2: And and you see that, I mean, you see we're in the Washington Post. Very early on they said, well, now the impeachment stuff starts, and it did. I mean it literally started from the beginning. So I had survival and run the nation. I had a combination. Most people don't have the survival they get in.

14:14 Speaker 3: What did you expect though, in terms of like once you got inside, you had to appoint all these people. How many appointments did you have to make?

14:21 Speaker 2: Well, you have actually actually ten thousand appointments. Now they're different. You know, you have big ones and then they appoint one hundred people and two hundred people. But the president really is involved with approximately ten thousand appointments. So you'll appoint a secretary of state and he will he or she will appoint a lot of people. So it's a lot. But in terms of major ones, you probably have like a hundred, but they're big ones, Treasury, State, Military.

14:49 Speaker 3: And how did you know who to appoint?

14:52 Speaker 2: Well I didn't. I had you have to understand. So I was there seventeen times in Washington, and I never stayed over course to the press, which I think is probably right. Over the years, I was only there seventeen times. I never stayed over. So now I'm sitting there, I'm saying, this place is gorgeous, But you know, I don't know anybody. It's like you. You know, you go to certain areas and other areas they may be great. Washington was great, Washington's not so great. Right now they're going to we got to fix it.

15:20 Speaker 2: We're going to make it better. A very dangerous place, very badly maintained place. We're going to make it great. We're going to make it better. We're going to bring it back. But I wasn't a Washington guy. I was a New York guy. I was a New York builder, and I built buildings in New York, and I knew that whole world, but I didn't know the Washington world too well. And all of a sudden, you're supposed to be appointing top people.

15:41 Speaker 3: So what did you think it was going to be like versus like did you have any ideas of what it was going to be like and what was different?

15:48 Speaker 2: Well, I was always involved in politics, but usually from the standpoint of a donor. I was a donor, you know, I was a big donor. I gave money to politicians. I enjoyed postly Democrats, right, both really pretty much both. I actually pictures of Ronald Reagan and me when I.

16:03 Speaker 3: Was very you were a Democrat until like what year.

16:06 Speaker 2: I was a Democrat. I could get you the exact but the early nineties, the early nineties, I switched over eventually. Actually they had a Reform Party. I was thinking about doing that for a little while, but then fortunately I didn't because it's very hard. You know, it's a two party system. And anytime you hear third party, I know you like RFK Jr. And so do. He's a fantastic I too, But I thought that an independent it doesn't work. It doesn't work because even if you do great, you're not going to get Congress.

16:36 Speaker 2: In other words, you need now to say, okay, now I'll get half of Congress that's never going to vote for you. So even if you got there, which is very hard, and but and I know how you feel about Bobby and I feel the same way, and he's now with us, but it doesn't it's really it's pure and simple. It's a two party system. And somebody I won't mention his name, But somebody spent two hundred and fifty million dollars trying to get the nomination as a Reform Party candidate or whatever, and they got just nowhere.

17:05 Speaker 2: You get eaten. You just get eaten. The system eats you alive. So so it was it was really somebody that not only was new to Washington, but was new to politics. So in the office of the presidency over the years, all those presidents you've had, ninety two percent were politicians and eight percent were generals. General Eisenhower or General Washington, right, General George Washington had generals, So it's eight percent no admirals, eight percent generals, and ninety two percent politicians. You know, the politicians, and they go on.

17:43 Speaker 2: So they never had a business guy or they never had a guy that wasn't elected to an office. They were all like Ronald Reagan was really he was a movie actor and then but he became the governor of California for I think two terms and then he ran. So you'd never had a thing like this, But I you know, in terms of me, and sometimes I'd use it as an excuse, and I don't like having excuses, actually, but I'd use it as an excuse. I had to rely on people that I respected or liked, but that I didn't know that well.

18:15 Speaker 2: Because I didn't know them that well. Some of those people I campaigned against, because you know, when you have eighteen people, we had mostly politicians running in the election, you know, running in the primaries, and they got knocked out one by one. But I got to like some of them. Some of them I didn't like at all, and I don't like them now, and i'd rely on them, and i'd rely on other people. So all of a sudden, people would come in. I'd like to recommend so and so to be Secretary of State, and I have three four people recommend one thing.

18:43 Speaker 2: I can tell you everybody wants the position, of course, no doubt. But sometimes I'll hear a lot of people don't want to work with Trump because Trump is tough to work with, et cetera. Let me tell you everybody wants to be any one of these positions. They die for it. Of course, now they don't want to be known. I mean, there's a particular guy in uh New York primarily very big, very big, very successful, very very strong, very political, although he's not a politician. He'd give anything to be secretary of State.

19:14 Speaker 2: But if they ask him, no, I don't think I would do it. But in the meantime, begging for it, okay, begging they all everybody. Look, everybody wants it. And by the way, no matter what you do, every but it's very dangerous to pick somebody outside of a politician because a politician has been basically vetted for years. You pick a business guy and they've never been vetted at all, and they're you know, the head of a big company or something, but they've never been vetted. You know nothing about his personal life, you know nothing about where he's been.

19:44 Speaker 2: When you put him in. It's a little bit dangerous because all of a sudden they get checked up and you hear things that you say, Wow, this is not going to work out too well. So it's very dangerous. Picking people that are outside of politics is somewhat dangerous.

19:58 Speaker 3: So you're kind of stuck in a position, and we have to pick established people. And then the problem with established people is established people already indoctrinated into the system.

20:06 Speaker 2: And there's stiffs. In many cases, the survivors I find that you know.

20:12 Speaker 3: What do you mean by steps when you say stiff.

20:14 Speaker 2: Stiff, they don't have nothing. They have nothing, or they're smart and survival one little thing. So there was a congressman years before I read, and I was very close to him, and I needed a license on something, and he was very important in getting the license. But it was a little bit controversial the license that this particular thing that was being licensed. But I was close to this guy and helped him and everything else. And I went to him, I said, I'd like to have your help, and he said, let me take a look at it.

20:45 Speaker 2: I said, oh, that's not too good, but I really hope you're gonna have it. Anyway, he tapped me along for a long period of time and ultimately didn't do it. And I said, you are a stiff. You could have done this thing so easy, et cetera. But it was controversial. He was in Congress from me years, like twenty eight years. And you know there's a reason when somebody's there for twenty eight years, you got to be sort of smart, right, you know, you have a sur scandals. And I realized he was a survivor.

21:10 Speaker 3: And so they never do anything controversial. They never take any chances or speak their opinion. That's outside of it.

21:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and yet I don't disrespect him for it. So I actually respected the guy more in a certain way. You know what, he's been there like for twenty eight years, and he made it through. A lot of people don't make it through.

21:29 Speaker 3: It's a good way for non exceptional people to survive it.

21:31 Speaker 2: Well, it is, I mean it certainly is.

21:34 Speaker 3: So you're you're in there, you have ten thousand appointments you have to make, like, so you're getting advice from people, and at one point in time, did you have a moment in time where you realize, like, these are bad choices, like some of these people I shouldn't have had in there.

21:48 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think so. The one question that you'll ask me that I think you'll ask me that people seem to ask, and I always come up with the same answer, if the one because I had a lot of success, great economy, great, everything, everything was great. The military, we rebuilt it, biggest tax cuts in history, all the stuff we did. We had a great presidency. Uh, three Supreme Court justices. Most people get none. You know, you pick them young. This way, they're there for fifty years, right, so you know, even if a president is there for eight years.

22:22 Speaker 2: Oftentimes they never have a chance. I had three. It was sort of the luck of the draw. But I will say that it always comes back to the same answer. The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people. I picked some great people, you know, but you don't think about that. I picked some people that I shouldn't have picked. I picked a few people that I shouldn't have picked. And neo cons, Yeah, neocons or bad people or disloyal people, or people that were just people that were into these people. Yeah, I mean, look, I mean you're reading about them a little bit today.

22:58 Speaker 2: A guy like Kelly, who was a bully, a bully but a weak person. You know, you know more about bullies than anybody probably around because you deal in a certain sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly. But you know, uh, he's bad. Bolton was an idiot, but he was great for me because I'd go in with a guy like a John Bolton. You know John Bolton. A friend of mine called called me up. I was picking Bolton. He's a very smart guy. His name is Phil Ruffin. He's a very rich guy from Las Vegas, one of the He's a great card player, he doesn't play cards, but he's a great you know, he's just a natural.

23:31 Speaker 2: He got poker sense, right, you know, the good old poker sense. And Phil Rouffin is very, very wise kind of a guy and very one of the richest people around and has got great success and understands people. So it was in that I was picking Bolton or I picked Bolton. He called up, he said, don't pick him. Why he's a bad guy. Now he wasn't in politics at all, He's in various businesses. He said, he's a bad guy. He's just it always works out bad with that guy. I said, oh, I wish you told me this two weeks I already hired him.

24:08 Speaker 2: You know, he's here and and he was right, but he was good in a certain way. He's a nut job. And every time I had to deal with a country, when they saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh, man, Trump's going to go to war with us. He was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East. They should have never done it. I used to say it as a civilian, so I always got more publicity than other people, and I didn't. It wasn't like I was trying in fact, I don't know exactly why. Maybe you can tell me why.

24:42 Speaker 3: I could definitely tell you you said a lot of wild shit. Maybe maybe he said a lot of wild shit. And then CNN in there all they're brilliance by highlighting your wild shit made you much more popular. Yeah, and they boost you in the polls because people were tired of someone talking in in this bullshit, pre prepared politician lingo. And even if they didn't agree with you, they at least knew whoever that guy is, that's him, that's really him. When you see certain people talk, certain people in the public eye, you don't know who they are.

25:14 Speaker 3: You have no idea who they are. It's very difficult to know. You see them in conversations. They have these pre planned answers. They say everything. It's very rehearsed. You never get to the meat of it. One of the beautiful things about you is that you free ball like you get out and you do these huge events and you're just talking and you're making We've highlighted you on the show many times when you did this Biden impression where he's walking around he doesn't know what he's doing. It's funny, it's stand up.

25:40 Speaker 3: It's funny stuff, but it's like you and you're making fun of Elon one time, you're doing it in Elon impression. It's great. You have like comedic instincts, like when you said to Hillary you'd be in jail, Like that's great timing. But it's like that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician, Like no one had done that, And I think it's funny.

26:01 Speaker 2: You need at least the attitude of a comedian when you're doing this business. This is a very dangerous business. First, so it's a very tough business.

26:09 Speaker 3: When it's the most dangerous, Well for a job, yes, I mean other than going for war and being a firefighter or being a cop. It's the most dangerous, the most.

26:20 Speaker 2: Being president is the most dangerous, especially you.

26:22 Speaker 3: I mean when you haven't even got to the election. There's been two assassination attempts and they've brushed those out of the news like it was nothing talk about them. Imagine if there was an assassination attempts on Biden, how hard people would be attacking the right, How they would be trying to get guns taken away from people. They would try to ramp up gun laws, they would try to figure out some way to blame you. If there was a tax on, if Biden got shot in the ear, we would have never heard the end of it.

26:49 Speaker 2: But I think he's in good shape because it's only consequential presidents. If you take a look at what's happened. Look, I'm for having countries pay as billions and billions and trillions, even dollars. I took in hundreds of billions of dollars from China. Nobody took in ten cents, not one other president. I do things that make it. I mean that don't necessarily make me so popular. I just do what's right. And when you do that, you know you're more. Look at. Around Iran, we would have never had the attack on Israel at all.

27:19 Speaker 2: Iran was broke. I told China, if you buy you can't do business in the United States under any circle. I was going to We're going to go cold Turkey with China. Some people think that would have been a good idea anyway, But if you buy any one barrel of oil from them, you're not doing business. I said that to many countries. Iran was broke. They had no money for Hesbola, they had no money for hamas they had no one. But I make myself, you know, I mean I understand what I'm doing. You make yourself a target.

27:48 Speaker 2: And it's a very dangerous business. But if you just look at statistically, so I said, I sat think, I don't know if it's right, but one tenth of one percent for a race car drive yere, it's pretty agers business, right, yeah, one tenth of one percent for a bull rider.

28:05 Speaker 3: I tell you to me, I talk to death.

28:06 Speaker 2: These guys that ride the bulls is worse than UFC. Yeah, these guys that you see these big monster bulls and you see it in slow motion where the foot is like, you know, an inch away from the head if it hits them of the guy's gun. But they die, you know, they die.

28:20 Speaker 3: So one tenth of one percent die.

28:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, one tenth of one percent die. And they certainly get hurt badly. Really, I mean, they can't walk after a certain period of time. But but with the president, if you look at and attempts too and attemps, no, it's a very dangerous position. I never thought of that, by the way, when I did it, you know you don't you don't tend to I.

28:42 Speaker 3: Just assume because if they look you on the Apprentice, they were going to love you as well.

28:45 Speaker 2: It would be so easy. You know, it.

28:47 Speaker 3: Probably would have been if the media didn't attack you the way they did, if they didn't conflate you with Hitler. I mean even today, like Kamla was talking about you and Hitler. You're they're going to take what you said about Robert E. Lee. Oh, Donald Trump just the South one, Yeah, he loves They love to take things out of context and distort things, but.

29:07 Speaker 2: They don't even have to take them out. They make them up entirely. Okay, that too, But you know it's interesting when you mentioned the I was very popular and and all those people love me. I mean, it's uh, some of these these women, they're so they're so stupid and joy She would every time she'd see me, like I'd be in the theater or something, and she's you have to be on the show again. Come on, come on, let's go.

29:32 Speaker 3: We actually loved you love me that episode. People should watch that episode just to see what we're talking about. Like I said, we don't want to get a copyright strike, so we're not going to put it up. But if you watch the episode, it's bananas. It's like an alternative universe, and it's only but years ago. Whoop, be loved, loved you gives you a hugging a kiss, And how.

29:50 Speaker 2: About that other one, the new one on the the one from my administration. She writes me a letter, You're the greatest president. She leaves. You know, she worked as a like an assistant press secretary. I hardly knew her, but she leaves, and she writes me this gorgeous letter. What's their name she was, I don't even know, you know, anyway, she was in the administration. She's on now currently sits on the far right hand side, whatever the hell of the name is. And she writes a letter, the most beautiful letter.

30:19 Speaker 2: She's quoted in the paper. He's a consequential, he was the greatest president. Blah bah bah. Then all of a sudden she goes into view. She sat hitting the hell of me because they won't hire unless. I've had many people go in CNN and they call and said, I don't know what to do what They want to pay me a lot, but I have to be negative, and you, I said, be negative. That's okay. There are guys on like CNN. They won't hire them. Sean Duffy is a congressman and he retired. He got a good job with CNN, but he was only positive about Trump, so they kept him, but they would never put him on.

30:52 Speaker 2: I mean, I respect what he did, he could have gotten, you know, negative, I tell people, go negative, Let my friends make the money. Well, it's so crooked, the press, it is so crooked.

31:01 Speaker 3: It's crooked. But it's also they're diminishing themselves. They they are, they're killing all their credibility, and it's opening up the credibility to new media. It's opened up the credibility to independent media.

31:11 Speaker 2: All these the worst I've ever seen the and I've seen the worst. I mean I've been a part of it. I've been I've seen the worst. Kamala goes on. Sixty minutes gave an answer that a child wouldn't give. It was so bad. And sixty minutes took the answer out. They took the whole and they put another answer in, which didn't make sense either, but it was better. They took the Well, it wasn't editing, it was fraud. This was not editing. You know. Editing is where I'll give an answer and they'll take a couple of words and change around, or they might even take a sentence or two off, which is very bad.

31:46 Speaker 2: But that's it's sort of bad. You know. I'd give an answer which was a very good answer. I always talking about, you know, I like to give long the weave, you know.

31:54 Speaker 3: I like to Yeah, you like to weave things out.

31:56 Speaker 2: But when you do the weaves, and you have to be very smart to do with when you do the weave. Look at this, just in this one thing. We're talking about little pieces.

32:04 Speaker 3: But it always ends out home.

32:05 Speaker 2: No, no, it comes back home for the right paper, for the wrong people. It doesn't come back home when they end up in the wilderness. Right. But they can take my answer, and you know what, they may take a little piece of it out or so and they use the term, yes, we want to save time. Well it's not. But I've never heard. I think it's the biggest scandal in broadcast history. What happened to see CBS? So you have CBS sixty minutes. It's a news program, it's not an entertainment program. It's under their news, it's the head of their news thing.

32:34 Speaker 2: She gives an answer that was that shows that she's essentially incompetent, and they took the answer, could you imagine them doing nothing?

32:43 Speaker 3: We can show it if you want people to see it, can we show it. No, we'll get in trouble, we'll get copyright strike. Okay, but it's it's drastic. But what was interesting was the other full version was available. Initially it was like a preview.

33:00 Speaker 2: Somebody made a big mistake.

33:01 Speaker 3: Somebody put that preview out.

33:02 Speaker 2: Some kn't put the preview out, and then the bosses did this or that, and then all of a sudden they said, we got a problem exactly, and then they got caught by mistake. Well, but don't you think that's a bit to me, And don't forget this is election interference and fraud and it's sixty minutes. It's their news division, So they a big deal. They give those licenses out, Joe for free. They should pay fortune. They're worth a fortune. They give them out for free because they're using the public airwaves.

33:31 Speaker 2: With cable, you don't have that. Cable's different, but you know, it's just a different deal. But with the networks, they give those license they're worth billions of dollars. They give them out free, but you have to be honest and all that was bad. I think that David Muir and that woman that was a site. I never even heard of her, but they kept interrupting me. It was like, I said, how many people am I debating here? I got this one and I got you two, but he went after me eleven different times. You know, It's interesting.

33:59 Speaker 2: I always thought he was a nice guy, but he's just like the rest of him.

34:02 Speaker 3: You know, Well, that's his job, unfortunately, and I'm sure what they want. You're right, Well, the problem was they fact checked you and they didn't fact check her. And one of the most egregious examples of that was when she said that there is there are no troops right now deployed in war zones. There's a very famous viral video that went online of troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck are we then? Because there's thousands of them. Dan Crenshaw, the congressman, posted on his Instagram all of the various examples of troops that are deployed, thousands and thousands of troops that are currently deployed.

34:40 Speaker 2: Stupid.

34:41 Speaker 3: But the point is, if this is going to be an actual, real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if it's going to be a real debate, you have to fact check everybody, Like if somebody says she thought there was no which is also a problem. So it's one of two things. It's either it was not true it was a lie on purpose, which is terrible, or it was the opposite, it was ignorance, which is also terrible.

35:03 Speaker 2: Well, Joe, when I said crime is sharing, he said, no, no crime has gone down. I said, when did you hear that one crime has gone down? I mean, I'm debating with this guy, but I've had that.

35:14 Speaker 3: There was a mended FBI statistics that came out after that that showed the crime had gone up substantial.

35:19 Speaker 2: And by the way, the statistics were a fraud because when they put out the statistics, they didn't include some of the worst places. They didn't include some of the worst cities, some of the most deadly places. But when the realtors came out, I turned out to be right, But.

35:32 Speaker 3: You turn out to be right. But then there's another problem. Unreported crime is way up because people have lost the morale that the police department has in a lot of these cities where they've done this defund the police bullshit. These the moralities pore cops. It's fucking horrible. It's the dumbest idea of all time. But what they've done is they've made these cops feel terrible. Like good cops. I think cops are just like everybody else. Most of them are great. It's like everybody else. But if you run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job in your house, he say, carpenters fucking suck.

36:01 Speaker 3: But they don't suck. Most of them are great, And let you keep it with cops. But the point is, like they did all of these things in this very foolish way, and these cops are suffering the consequences of it. And so subsequently what happens is a lot of crime is unreported. A lot of crime, like you call the cops, they're too busy, they can't even get to you. Or your house got broken into, sorry, you know, it doesn't even make a report. There's a lot of people that they just give up.

36:28 Speaker 2: It's so sad. What's happened? And I'll tell you what. I go to police funerals, and we went to one in Long Island. I visited the family in the Long Island, A very big deal it's so dangerous. People don't use the car dark windows. Pull over, he's a gentleman, Please pull over. Door opens, guy comes out firing. Even if they were allowed to pull out their gun, which they're not, they can't you know, put.

36:55 Speaker 3: You in time.

36:56 Speaker 2: They still wouldn't have times every cops first nightmare, they open the door and he was killed and his partner was hurt. He was killed and you don't have I mean, you don't even have an eighth of a second to think. And it is such a dangerous job that in particular, think of it. You go up to a car, you don't know who's sitting there with a gun, and if they have a gun, you really don't have a chance. You're not allowed to have your gun out, by the way, you have. They're very strict rules, so number one there.

37:23 Speaker 2: But even if you could have your gun out, the door opens in the gun and bullets start firing out, you know, and especially where they have the dark windows, where they have the darkened windows. It is such a dangerous profession and it's very hard to get cops now because they're not given any backup. And you're right, you can you know, they have like an eighth of a second to make a decision that's going to change their life. If they make the wrong decision, they're gonna end up on the front page of every newspaper in the country, and they're going to lose their house and their pension and their their job, and their wife is going to be gone, and everything's going to be gone.

37:59 Speaker 3: And there's nothing that people don't talk about. How many of them have PTSD probably most of them. These guys are seeing people shot all the time. You know, I've talked to a ton of cops about it, and you know, a lot of cops commit suicide. A lot of cops are deeply depressed.

38:13 Speaker 2: A lot. We have to give them back the dignity. We have to. We can't. We just have to give them back. You said it's so good. You never hear anybody say that. You're never gonna have it perfect. You're gonna have a bad.

38:24 Speaker 3: Apple in everything, in every profession.

38:26 Speaker 2: But every time there's a bad apple, that gets massive publicity and it taints everybody.

38:31 Speaker 3: But it's also this very irresponsible thing where people say, defund the police, get rid of the police. You know, even Kamala Harris was a part of that. It's a. It's a very stupid way to look at it. We should do is fund the police. You should have better training, You should have cops that feel more appreciated you do. You should have some something that helps mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffer through.

38:51 Speaker 2: She was a big part of defund the police. That was a big thing for her. Defund the police. Always defund the police.

38:57 Speaker 3: It's a political idea, But.

38:59 Speaker 2: Any anybody with that political thought, I don't think she'd be running for president. And I think people are getting wise to it. You know, we're doing pretty well now. I don't know, maybe in a week from now say sorry about that. I was wrong, But we're leading everything and I think we're going to have a very good election. But I tell you because people are starting to get to know her. But she was defund the police. She was all these transgender operations. You know, if you wanted a sex change and you were in detention and you demanded a sex change, they would give you a sex change.

39:30 Speaker 3: Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free sex change to illegal immigrants.

39:35 Speaker 2: That's right in detention.

39:38 Speaker 3: That is the wildest. But she is that the biggest problem you have, You just walked here for Guatemala, you need to become a girl.

39:44 Speaker 2: But she was in favor of it, so think of it. Now. She changed, she changed fifteen policies. In fact, I'm going to send her a maga ap.

39:52 Speaker 3: She tole your idea about no tax for tips.

39:56 Speaker 2: I came up with this idea, but honestly, nobody ever heard of And now it took her two months. But you know what, all of a sudden, it well, it caught fire and she just put it into a little speech. Yeah. Well, but I think we have I think we still have that issue. I think that issue is a good one for us. But now we have a lot of good issues. You know we had the other day. I think of how simple some of these things are. We're trying to get cars built in the United States. Detroit has been really tough.

40:20 Speaker 2: It's been a disaster. They have a huge factor, a huge car auto plant being built by China in Mexico, make cars, sell them in the United States. Put everybody out of business. Right here we go again. I said, if that plant is there when I'm president, I will put one hundred or two hundred percent tariffs on every car. They'll be unsaleable in the United States. And they just announced they're not going to build the plan because they think I'm going to think of it. They're not going to build the plant.

40:45 Speaker 2: This was the biggest plant in the world. It would have more than all of Michigan makes. That's how big you know. This is what we're getting to. And I said, if that plan goes up, I want them to understand, if I win, I'm going to tax those cars at the rate of one hundred or two hundred percent apiece so that you won't be able to sell them in the United States. They just announce they're not going to build a plant. Yeah, I did a big favor for our country by doing that, and I'm not even there yet. To me, the most beautiful word, and I've said this for the last couple of weeks in the dictionary today, is the word tariff.

41:23 Speaker 2: It's more beautiful than love. It's more beautiful than It's the most beautiful word. This country can become rich with the use the proper use of tariffs. It'll Can you.

41:36 Speaker 3: Just float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs, Well, okay, we're serious about that.

41:43 Speaker 2: Our yeah, sure, but why not because we ready our country was the richest in the relatively in the eighteen eighties and eighteen nineties, a president who was assassinated named McKinley. He was the tariff king. He spoke beautifully of tariffs. Is language was really beautiful. We will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs, and take our factories, and take our workers, and take our families unless they pay a big price. And the big price is tariffs. And he'd speak like that, but he was right.

42:18 Speaker 2: And then around in the early nineteen hundreds they switched over stupidly to frankly an income text. And you know why, because countries were putting a lot of pressure in America, we don't want to pay tariffs, please, don't you. You know they believe me. They control our politicians if you look at the kind of numbers that these guys make then and now. But we had a commission meeting in the eight I think it was eighteen eighty seven, think of this problem. We were so rich, we had so much money, we didn't know what to do.

42:51 Speaker 2: So they set up a Blue Ribbon Commission on tariffs. And the sole purpose is what to do with all the money we had. We were so rich because we were taxing other people for coming in and taking our jobs. And China does it. That's what China did. If you want to open a factory and sell cars, if you build a factory here or have a factory, they don't take our cars. They wouldn't take our cars. But if you build a plant in China, you can do that. Elon did that. By the way, Elon is great. That guy is such a great guy.

43:24 Speaker 2: I think you're a fan of Elan. He is from a different planet. He's the greatest guy. That rocket coming in I told I told the story once or twice, so you may have heard it, because these speeches have been good. Did you see the one last night, Yeah, twenty nine thousand people, And the one the night before was the same thing. We are. We are rocket and rolling. But Elon, and I'm talking to this very important guy. I said, wait a minute, I'm looking at something that television's are muted, right, And I see this rocket so brown from the heat, you know, thousand degrees pouring down at thousands of miles an hour.

44:03 Speaker 2: And I see this thing, you know, it's like a twenty story building, and I say to this guy's an important guy. Wait a minute, let me just put you to hold it. I got to see this, and I see this and it's going to crash. I said, it's going to crash into the gantry. They call it a gantry. I said, oh, man, that's going to be a disaster because it's starting to get very close. And then all of a sudden, you see the flames in a bottle, rear in it, boom, and then you see the two arms grab it crazy and I forgot the guy I had him on the front.

44:32 Speaker 2: I forgot no. I said no. I called Elon. I said, was that you? He said that was me? And I said, who else can do that? He said nobody. Russia can't do it, the United States, nobody can do it. You know. I set up Space Force. That was me. And that's the first time in eighty two years that we opened another branch since the Air Force, and that's going to be one of our most important things. But think of what Eland does. And he did one other thing that I never heard of. It it's starlink. I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different places right.

45:03 Speaker 2: I followed it right down and they had no communication. The polls were all knocked down. Every and one of the guys in North Carolina said, could you do me a favorite? Do you know Elon Muskis. He endorsed me, by the way. He gave me the nicest endorsement too, the tougher. He said, the country's going to fail. You should do the same thing, Joe, because you cannot be voting for Kamala Kamala. You're not a Kamala person. I know you. I've watched you. I know him better than he is. You know what, without speaking to you, I think I know you, maybe almost as well as your wife.

45:35 Speaker 2: I have watched you for so many years. You're not a Kamala person. You're a Kabibe person, but you're not a Commala person. Nobody's going to know who Kebibe is. But he was, he was not He was not bad, right that guy.

45:48 Speaker 3: He was phenomenal. But that's your kind of was getting wide. No way but to tariff.

45:53 Speaker 2: But but one said, before we finished with tariffs, I just so. They said, they said, could you get him? We need start link and I call Elon. He got it for him so fast, saved so many lives. And I said, how was it. They said, better than the wires. You know, they couldn't put them in. They were all they were all gone.

46:10 Speaker 3: So I used it recently in Utah in the mountains.

46:13 Speaker 2: Did you find it good?

46:13 Speaker 3: Oh, it's phenomenal. It's the size of a like a iPad and you just set it down on the ground you get high speed Internet. It's incredible.

46:19 Speaker 2: We're spending just to show you, we're spending a trillion dollars to get cables all over the country, right up to upstate areas where you have like two farms, and they're spending millions of dollars.

46:32 Speaker 3: That we talk about the Elon can do a million dollars that was wasted on this Internet access program that they didn't get anybody.

46:40 Speaker 2: They haven't hooked up one person.

46:43 Speaker 3: One person. They spend forty two billion dollars. They could have gotten star links to everybody with that kind of money.

46:48 Speaker 2: For almost nothing for a monthly charge.

46:51 Speaker 3: It would have been incredible. And he want the Internet everywhere you want to go, and he wanted to do that, and he wanted to do it.

46:56 Speaker 2: How about this, They built, uh, the charger stations right in the midwest, Midwest, they built eight of them because nine billion dollars. That's like a gas pump, right, They built nine gas pumps, except electricity comes out. They spent nine billion dollars. Three of them don't work. The whole thing. There's so much waste. I could I could sit here and tell you about things that that. There's so much waste, abuse and fraud.

47:24 Speaker 3: Oh there's yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I think everybody's aware of that.

47:28 Speaker 2: Let's get back to Terry.

47:29 Speaker 3: But when you're talking about one of the criticisms of your administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increased the deficit. So was the strategy, What was the strategy behind that? And did you think it was going to increase the deficit by amount?

47:46 Speaker 2: Okay, we were ready to rock it was all you know. I had a bad system, We had horrible tax policy. I made it great with a much lower tax rate. So I took it from almost forty percent down to twenty one one percent. Now I'm bringing it from twenty one down to fifteen. But only if you make your product in the United States, which is great. People called me, they said, what a great idea. Nobody ever heard of that before. I don't care if they make the product in Japan? Why should I give up? So it's a twenty one that at twenty one, in the first year, we took in much more revenue than we did at almost forty.

48:23 Speaker 2: Think of that. It inspired Now we had other things too. We were able to get people to bring back their money. You couldn't bring back your money if you had money in Europe, like Apple. Apple had many billions of dollars outside. They couldn't bring it. There was no way to bring it back in the bureaucracy, the documents, the whole thing, and also the tax was too high. You know, they wanted like half of it or something. Nobody's going to do that. So they leave their money in Japan and they spend their money there.

48:53 Speaker 2: That was part of what I did. The money came pouring back in. Apple took in hundreds of billions of dollars. They brought it back from overseat. They brought it in.

49:00 Speaker 3: So how does the deficit increase?

49:02 Speaker 2: Because so what happened is this, We were ready to rock and roll, and then we had the COVID thing and we had a focus on that. And if we didn't give some businesses a hand, they would have all you would have had a depression like in nineteen twenty nine, but we were ready to start. We were going to we would have very shortly been paying off debt. You know, we have thirty five trillion dollars in debt and I'll never forget it. We were it was talking about from you know, the standpoint of being in office.

49:32 Speaker 2: I'm in the Oval office and I have John McLaughlin and Fabrizio the two very good polsters. Probably I don't know, I would say the two best who knows, but very good polsters. And we're starting to think about running for a second term. And we had the greatest economy in history. Never has there been an economy.

49:52 Speaker 3: And you attribute that to lowering time two things.

49:55 Speaker 2: And also I cut regulations more than anybody else. And I asked many of the businessmen, you know from the big companies, you know, the guys running the big companies. Let's say, so, if you had your choice, you've had it now for a long time, what's more important to you the tax cuts you paid less tax or the regulation cuts. Every one of them said, the regulation cuts meant more. Who would think that, right, because you don't equate it the dollars, but it actually has more dollars. We had it going and then we just had to focus on something else.

50:28 Speaker 2: But they were still you. These two posters were sitting there and they said, Sir, if George Washington came back and Abraham Lincoln was his VP as opposed to Waltz, how bad is he? By the way, But if Abraham Lincoln was his VP, they couldn't beat you. You have and I'll never forget it. The following day, they said, something's happening in China, Sir, could we meet? They said, what's happening? People are dying and it was all around the Wuhan lamp. By the way, there are pictures with little lines their body bags all around the Wuhan lamb.

51:10 Speaker 2: And I always said that from the beginning, Joe. You know they tried to say. First they said it was France, and you know, they blamed everybody, but then they say it was Batster Froom, a cave two thousand miles away. So we got hit with that, and despite that, we had the best economy, and when I gave it over, the stock market was higher than it was pre COVID. I mean, nobody could even believe it, but we saved it, and we were helping businesses they were dying, you know they would.

51:38 Speaker 3: So it's your belief that if you had a second term, given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming, that you would have been able to pay off a lot of the debt.

51:48 Speaker 2: And now we didn't have COVID, we would have been paying off debt and we would have had and don't forget by growth. The word growth is actually more important in a way because you could have the same debt. But if you double your growth, all of a sudden you're under levered. But still we should pay off debt. You know, if you viewed this thirty five trillion dollars right now, it's a lot. But if you look at the asset value, if you looked at it purely as an asset value, we have oil underground, we have water, we have mountains, we have I mean, the assets are so enormous.

52:22 Speaker 2: But regardless of that, we've got thirty five trillion in debt. We should pay it off and we would have started paying off debt and probably even giving further given further tax reductions. I want to get it down to fifteen percent. We're going to do more business. But when you get hit with the COVID, everything stops and you have to keep these businesses alive. The businesses were dying. I mean they were just dying. This whole place, this country is going to die.

52:48 Speaker 3: Are there influences outside of environmental that keep people from wanting to drill for oil and frack and do those sort of things outside of the environmental concerns which are legitimate of course, What are there other influences that maybe over accentuate or over exaggerate these environmental effects. Are people being influenced in a way where they're trying to keep us from producing American oil?

53:14 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So the environmental is the biggest tool for stopping growth, the biggest tool. The other is regulation. And if you speak to Elon, he said, the regulation now to send a rocket up to anywhere. Even if you do everything, it's it's almost it's becoming impossible. But they use environmental in order to get people not to do anything. And sometimes I say, you know, I look at some of the I know the environmentals have better because I had to build buildings in New York. I had to build I had to do environmental impact studies, and I would see some of these guys that I'd hire for a lot of money, environmentalists that would get you through the process.

53:55 Speaker 2: And they'd be up in Albany, that's the capital of New York, and they're up there trying to make it tougher for guys like me that were builders because they'd get paid more money. In other words, I had one guy highly recommend it all. You know. I was good at getting permits. I was one of the kings of I was always very good. But the environmental stuff was always horrible. They could slow a project down ten years, fifteen years. I had a project in Louisiana built big LNG plant. It was for fourteen years.

54:29 Speaker 2: It was going to cost eighteen million, eighteen billion dollars. One of the biggest thing like the Empire State biler laying down on side times four massive in the coast on the Gulf Coast. And they said, sir, they're going to give it up. I said that they shouldn't give it up. What's the problem. They can't get their environmental They had environmental permits that would fill this whole room up to the ceiling, and they said there was one mistake on one little line. They wanted to do it all over against it is not going to happen.

54:56 Speaker 2: And I got them their permit instantly and they built the plant. It's massive.

55:02 Speaker 3: So when you're saying that there's people that are making money by making it difficult lawyers.

55:09 Speaker 2: I'm talking about environmental process and environmental consultants profit off of dragging out the process and they and I probably do the same thing about with them. To be honest with you, I want to be honest with you.

55:23 Speaker 3: How do they do that? How do they make it?

55:25 Speaker 2: They go, let's say New York, they go to Albany, and they convince people that if you have a certain type of plant on the ground that's this big and in theory valueless, that it's a rare plant and you cannot even touch it. You can't go near it, you can't put a building on it, you can't do anything. Or there's a little puddle and they call it a lake and you have to go by the standards of a lake. I said, no, no, that's a puddle. Oh you have no idea. Guys are filling a little puddle. You have no idea what they do and so, but they use it as a way to stop you.

55:59 Speaker 3: These are the way to stop you. And also is the way to generate money. How they're generating money that way though.

56:05 Speaker 2: Well, they get fees, They get fees, massive fees, and pay these guys.

56:09 Speaker 3: People rely on them as experts because they're the people that they go to when they have to run these studies in the first place.

56:15 Speaker 2: But some of them are just bad guys and they're trying to make it more and more different, and.

56:19 Speaker 3: They have a lot of power.

56:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they maybe had more. They didn't have as much with me because I would get through them and I understood it. Look, I've had I've done so many they call it environmental impact study. I did so much to build a building. To build a building in New York is very tough. You got to be very You got to deal with think of it, financing unions, all the municipal stuff, environmental of all of it. To me, the toughest thing was the environmental because they could stop you cold with the environmental impact studies stuff.

56:54 Speaker 2: And you hire a so called expert, they say, sir, he's the one guy. He can get you through the morass. Some morass. It's horrible. They use it as a weapon. They use it all over the country.

57:04 Speaker 3: But there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact crackt like look about the VP oil spill. There's a lot of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating, and you want to mitigate that as much as possible.

57:15 Speaker 2: You do. Look, I had during our four years, we had the cleanest air in the cleanest water. I view it differently, I say air and water. Remember this, it costs much more to do things environmentally clean. China doesn't do anything right. When Carrie goes to see President Chia China, which he probably doesn't even get to see him, but they look at him, Oh, yes, yes, we will do Oh yes, yes, we're going to do that. No more call, no more cold just and then they approve fifty eight coal plants for the next you know, every they build a coal plant a week.

57:48 Speaker 3: Okay, they build a lot of coal plants.

57:50 Speaker 2: But let me just say so here we are cleaning and scrubbing everything, and everything's got in the year's got to be pure. But in three point eight days, that stuff floating over China's right over the top of us. Same thing with the oceans. They dump their garbage into the Pacific Ocean. If you take a little cork and put it there. In about a week and a half, it'll be in front of Los Angeles. We're picking up their garbage. So nobody ever talks about that. But in a way, the bigger one is even the air.

58:24 Speaker 2: It's the currents. It's an amazing thing. It's been flowing that way for a million years, long.

58:29 Speaker 3: Before the whole world. Yeah. No, if we clean Sahara dust clouds over here. Absolutely, we get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara desert.

58:39 Speaker 2: But we get the China. You know, they call it the China curse. We get the China curse. They're better and their area is dirty. You know, when I went there, I had a great relationship with Presidency. We got along very well and they treated me better than anybody has ever been treated. Same thing with Saudi Arabic number of them, but they aid it out and I said, this air is good. Do you know they closed every factory one week before I got there, from within two hundred miles.

59:08 Speaker 3: That's like what Gavin Newsom did when Jijingpin came to San Franciscle.

59:12 Speaker 2: He cleaned it up a little terrible away to think, you know, he cleaned it up and then it became a pig.

59:19 Speaker 3: Say, well, the dumbest thing is he said, when your friends come by, when you have visitors, you clean up your house, Like, how about just keep your fucking house clean?

59:26 Speaker 2: Can you imagine?

59:27 Speaker 3: That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anybody say, ever as a governor, as to excuse to why you finally cleaned up your homeless problem.

59:34 Speaker 2: And the day he left right back, it went right back. But in a way that was a bad thing that he did because he should. What a disgrace that was? What a disgrace.

59:45 Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing that like shows you how foolish a lot of these people that are running these cities think a lot of these people that are running these states think it's it's foolish like you, you're insulting the intelligence of the people that live in that city that are impacted by the these people just camping and needles and human feces. There's an app that you can buy. There's an app that you can get rather that will show you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco.

1:00:12 Speaker 3: It's a Pooh app and it's just everywhere. It's just bump crap everywhere.

1:00:16 Speaker 2: But let me give you one that you may not know, which I think you know everything actually as a student, as a student of yours. But water. You know, in Los Angeles you can't get proper amounts of water, and it's unbelievably expensive. And you might have a house in Beverly Hills and they're actually thinking about rationing water. Could you believe it. I was in the farm court country where some of the congressmen were driving up highway, and I say, how come all this land is so barren? It's farmland?

1:00:51 Speaker 2: And it looked terrible. It was just brown and bad. I said, but there's always that little corner that's so green and beautiful. They said, we have no water. I said, do you have a drought? No, we don't have a drought. I said, Watern't you have no water because the water isn't allowed to flow down. It's got a natural flow from Canada all the way up north, more water than they could have used. And in order to protect a tiny little fish, the water up north gets routed into the Pacific Ocean. Millions and millions of gallons of water gets poured.

1:01:26 Speaker 2: You get to see this. We're driving up and I had never seen it before. It's the most It's like Iowa, it's the most fertile land. I always blessed with great land Idaho for a potato, right, But these they're just by the way. You know, some land is good for a potato, some land is good for corner. It's the craziest thing. I love the farmers. They're great, they're the greatest. And by the way, they're getting killed right now. They're getting killed because of this stupid administration. But so I see this and I said, you gotta be kidding.

1:01:54 Speaker 2: I said, you mean you have water? And I looked at it. It's like a valve and you sink. Accept It's massive, the things five times totally than your ceiling.

1:02:03 Speaker 3: Did you know the center of California was a giant lake? They have so much You ever see what it looks like before they re routed the center of California, Like, was it two hundred years ago? How long ago did they do that, Jamie? The center of California had a fucking enormous lake in the middle of California.

1:02:20 Speaker 2: They dumped it into the Pacific.

1:02:21 Speaker 3: Who knows what they did, but whatever foolishness that they did led to the situation they're in now.

1:02:28 Speaker 2: Think of those dry forests that burned down all over you know the head of Austria.

1:02:34 Speaker 3: Tulayir Lake or Tachi Lake, it's a freshwater lake in the southern San Joaquin Valley, United States. Historically, Tulaya Lake was one of the largest freshwater lakes west. The Mississippi Show photo would it look like back then?

1:02:48 Speaker 2: That's a great sis.

1:02:49 Speaker 3: So that's what it looked like. Look at that image. Another one, go to the one on the third from the right.

1:02:53 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:02:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was an enormous lake in the middle of California.

1:02:57 Speaker 2: Imagine that that'd be much more valuable.

1:02:59 Speaker 3: How crazy is that? But how crazy is that?

1:03:01 Speaker 2: What you look like?

1:03:02 Speaker 3: And human beings screwed that?

1:03:03 Speaker 2: No, they let it go into the Pacific and then they I don't.

1:03:06 Speaker 3: Know what they did. What did they do that? How did it go missing?

1:03:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, they drained it nineteen nineteen eighty three.

1:03:16 Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was full of times. Oh dry, a handful of times. Well, you know, lakes do go dry, but that's a big one. But think of a big one.

1:03:24 Speaker 2: You could have all of the water you need, All of that land would have more water. The whole thing could be like that little patch. Literally, I'd say. I was with Devin known as a congressman and other congressmen. We were going up. I was visiting that because they asked me to go up and visit their territory, and I did. But I kept saying, look at this land. It's beautiful, but it's so dry. And I thought they were going through like a desert, like a drought. They said, no, we have water, but it gets rd.

1:03:50 Speaker 2: So I looked into it is. I got it done. I got it done. I could have water for all of that land, water for your forest. You know, your far said dry as a bone. Okay, dangerous. That water could be routed. You know, you could have everything, not only dangerous. Billions of dollars a year they spend on forest fires, and you know, there's a case with the environment. They're not allowed to rake their forests because you're not allowed to touch it. When a tree foils down after eighteen months, it becomes very dry.

1:04:20 Speaker 2: It's like, you know, like real firewood. It's bad. You know, a tree that's up. These are all things I learned the hard way, the easy way. But when a tree is up, it sucks water. It's wet. I went to that the hard They had a couple of horrible forest fires in California, and what I said, you know, you had a lot of trees standing. Yes, they were healthy trees there, I said, with this intense heat that you could see they were charred a little bit on the bottom. But they were going to be all right because they're soaking wet because they suck up the water, right, But when they fall, they're like, you know, it's like lighting a match.

1:04:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've got to be able to clean they call maintain your forest. So it's with the head of Austria. He said, you know, it's a shame. I see all those forest fires in California and all they have to do is clean their forest, meaning rake it up, get rid of the leaves, get rid of you know, leaves that are sitting there for five years.

1:05:09 Speaker 3: And they'll certainly get rid of the dead fall.

1:05:11 Speaker 2: And get rid of the trees that are falling and that you know, are like uh, so many things this country.

1:05:18 Speaker 3: By the way, could you have it all forest? Though? I don't think you could break the whole forest. I think you get rid of the dead fall, but raking all.

1:05:24 Speaker 2: You could you certainly get rid of the dead. Okay, you know environmentally they don't want to do that. They don't. They said, you know, it's got to be nature and all this stuff. But in the meantime, this is exactly right. But you could have so it was the Department of Commerce that needed the approvals, but Gavin Newsoen had to sign them. I got it all done. Nobody could believe it. It was all done. I said, I got it. You got so much water, all you have to do is sign. And that guy didn't want to sign.

1:05:55 Speaker 3: Did he not want to sign because that would be a political victory for you?

1:05:58 Speaker 2: I think no, you didn't know. I don't think so. You know, he used to say he's a great president, that we got along. We did, we actually got along at that point. But I think somebody said, you just can't continue to call him a great president. You know, they do say that. But we had it all done. He didn't sign, and then we got onto other things. And every time I go to California, said, you have so much water. They don't know it. I'm telling you, people living in Beverly Hills they turn off the water.

1:06:27 Speaker 2: Same thing with the electric. They want to go to all electric cars, but they have Brandon ass every weekend. You know.

1:06:32 Speaker 3: Well, right after they made the announcement that as of twenty thirty five, you're not going to be able to buy an internal combustion engine in California, like within a month they had some announcement asking people to not charge their teslas because the grid couldn't handle it.

1:06:47 Speaker 2: Well, how I will terminate the mandate, I media, This is mandata that will be done, I would say in my first day, maybe two days, because you know.

1:06:55 Speaker 3: Let me ask you about nuclear One of the things that when I've talked to people that have a real understanding of nuclear power, what their position is, it's probably the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we could generate, and that the fears of nuclear power are really about a few disasters the Fukushima through my island, that these these are old systems, and that they could they're much more capable now and they're capable of making even better systems. But it's a difficult political issue because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl, that's what everybody does.

1:07:32 Speaker 3: They have this connection, they had the potentials.

1:07:36 Speaker 2: You're not supposed to enter the land for three thousand years.

1:07:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably. I think it's worse than that. I think that area is like going to be radioactive for probably longer than you could imagine. But the point is they're better at it now and that they could do it now, and you can generate power in a way that you don't have to worry about these One of the most ridiculous things is electric cars being powered by coal fired plants.

1:08:00 Speaker 2: So what's happening.

1:08:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, what's happening. And people want to think they're being green, you know, but it's.

1:08:06 Speaker 2: Well if that you look at the way the battery has been But here's the other thing we don't have, well we do, actually it's being held. You know. We have certain areas where we have great raw earth material and we're not allowed to use it because of the environment. And we have areas in California that have incredible raw earth and they're not allowing and I'm going to open it up. I'm going to let him use it.

1:08:26 Speaker 3: But how do you do that, China? How do you do that and protect the environment.

1:08:29 Speaker 2: Because the environment's going to be protected. You can do it. You can make a lake out of it. Okay, we'll put back a lake I mean something nice about like you can do things magnificently.

1:08:39 Speaker 3: You just have to do it carefully.

1:08:41 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you have to do it carefully. But the problem, you know, China has all of those areas, most of those areas, and yet when they say go electric with the cars, China is going to be the one that gives us the cars. All of those guys in Detroit are going to be out of business. You're going to make your electric cars over there. We have a thing called gasoline, and we have more oil and gas under our feet than any other nation. You know. I had in Alaska. There's a fine it's called n war. I got it approved.

1:09:10 Speaker 2: Reagan couldn't get it. Nobody could get it. I got it all done. It was amazing. They were getting ready to start drilling the equivalent they think of Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest finds in the world. It was all set to go, and Biden comes in his one of his first orders were we're not going to use it. It would have been so good for the We could have supplied all of Asia with oil and gamestive, and you talk about money. The negative was politically, they didn't think it was good for them. That's all.

1:09:40 Speaker 3: That's all it was. So you don't think that it's environmentally dangerous.

1:09:42 Speaker 2: Taking it from way down deep in the earth. Environmentally it would have been.

1:09:46 Speaker 3: Fined, so it can be done responsible.

1:09:48 Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1:09:49 Speaker 3: Oh otherwise, let's take the environment.

1:09:50 Speaker 2: Well, I think windmills. Okay, so they talk about winds. I think windmills are really disruptive when you talk about the environment. They killed the birds. You want to see a bird cemetery go under a windmill someday that hasn't been cleaned out with all the bird carcasses. You it's like massive amounts of.

1:10:09 Speaker 3: They're also a massive ice ore. I went to a ranch in South Texas. We had to drive past this enormous windmill farm, and it's gross. It's dystopian. You're you're looking in the left and the right. All he sees these big spinning machines that aren't even that effective at generating.

1:10:24 Speaker 2: Elecity most expensive form of electricity is a windmill. And then they start to rust and rout and you have to and then they get abandoned by the people that built them.

1:10:34 Speaker 3: Well, you have to get rid of all that material too. When you replace those blades. Now you have a problem because you have to dispose, right, you have to dispose these enormous windmills.

1:10:44 Speaker 2: And by the way, they say you can't bury them, so I even question that, but I'm not going to get into it. But they say you can't bury the bust. So you have the blades and you can't bury the blazes. You can bury the blades. It's not going about it. You can bury that. You'll find areas you can bury. But they come up this is what I mean, they come up with this. But the vironmentalist dream is windmills everywhere. You know what happens to them? After five years they start to rout. After ten years, you have to replace them.

1:11:07 Speaker 2: Did you ever look at certain parts of California where they have heavy windmills and they've been abandoned, and they're all different manufacturers, in all different companies, and they are It is the ugliest thing. It looks like a graveyard, almost a graveyard of windmills.

1:11:22 Speaker 3: It's pollution.

1:11:23 Speaker 2: It's so bad.

1:11:24 Speaker 3: It's in the oceans. It's no different than leaving garbage on the ground.

1:11:28 Speaker 2: How about in New Jersey. Off the coast of New Jersey, they want to build that. People are going crazy not to build them, but we have them. The whales are washing up on shore. So in fifty years they had one whale come ashore, now they had like eighteen come in the last year.

1:11:44 Speaker 3: What is the What is happening with the whales? I've read about this.

1:11:47 Speaker 2: Well, they say that the wind drives them crazy. You know, it's a vibration because you have those you know those things that fifty story buildings, some of.

1:11:54 Speaker 3: Them right, and they're super sensitive to vibrations.

1:11:56 Speaker 2: They have those. You know, the wind is rushing, the things are blowing. It's vibration and it makes noise. You know what it is. I want to be a whale psychiatrist. It drives the whales freaking crazy, and something happens with them. But for whatever reason, they're getting washed up on shore. And you know, and yet the environment, but the environments, they don't talk about it. I think there's nothing uglier. I see it in Scotland, I see it all over the world. You have this beautiful valley, it's been there for you know, in civilization thousands of years, but millions of years, and all of a sudden you have these ugly windmills.

1:12:33 Speaker 3: Up to replace that with nuclear what would.

1:12:36 Speaker 2: You do well, nuclear is better. I mean, I think there's a little danger of nuclear. But you know, we had some really bad nuclear They did one in Alabama, they did one in I think South Carolina. They do them wrong. They build these massive things, then the environmentals get in. It's I don't want to go into a long story because it's too long for the show. This show is too valuable to talk about concrete. But they have hardened concrete. It's number twelve concrete. It's the hardest. It's harder than steel.

1:13:03 Speaker 2: It's incredible. They put up a wall and an inspector comes along those Nope, nope, you're a quarter of an inch to the wall might be eight feet wide, you're a quarter of an inch too short. I'm sorry. You gotta rip down the wall. You got it because it's got to be poured contiguously. Right, you're one quarter of an inch, I'm sorry, ripped down it. You can't rip it down. This stuff. You can't put a hammer through it. You can't. It's it's incredible. Concrete technology is unbelievable. What you know, what's happened?

1:13:29 Speaker 2: You think of.

1:13:29 Speaker 3: Compete, that's an example of overregulation.

1:13:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, pointless, Well, you have an inspector that comes along and he says, take down at twenty five zillion dollar wall. These things ended up costing twenty five billion dollars and one of them never got opened. But here's the story. So France does it. France is largely nuclear and they build small, little compact plants and if they need more, they build the same thing and they hook it up, and they hook it up because they get too big and too complex and two and it is very clean. They say, it's it's absolutely you know my uncle I had a great uncle who was a great genius, just like other members of my family.

1:14:12 Speaker 2: But he was a professor at MIT for I think forty one years. He was the longest. When I was in the White House, they head of a MIT Princeton and Harvard came down to meet me and the MIT person said, I have a book on your uncle, doctor John Trump. He was our longest serving professor. He was a great genius, sir, do you know how? And he had he knew everything about from math to chemistry to nuclear He knew it. And he said, someday it's going to be the way to go. But the problem is so dangerous in terms of war.

1:14:46 Speaker 3: He said.

1:14:48 Speaker 2: Donald, Someday, and this was a long time uncle John, doctor John Trump. He said, someday, you'll have a little satchel at your side and you'll go into a building and you'll be able to blow up New York City. I said, oh God, John, that'll never happen. He's right, you know, he's right.

1:15:04 Speaker 3: Well, that was powerlo giving nuclear power to other countries, right like that was the problem that happened with India and Pakistan. They got nuclear power and then they were able to weaponize it.

1:15:15 Speaker 2: The biggest problem in the world today is not global warming, it's nuclear warming. And we have idiots that are negotiating for us. We have a guy that doesn't make it past four o'clock. And it's not because of age. You know. I know so many guys in their late eighties, and they're better than there. I said to one guy the other, I think he's smarter than you were twenty five years ago. I've known him a long time. He's eighty nine years old. He's sharp. I mean, he's great. Biden gives people a bad name because that's not an old, that's not an age.

1:15:46 Speaker 2: I think they say it because I'm three or four years younger, you know. I think that's why they say it. They say his age. It's not his age. He's got a problem. Two major brain spatories he did, he did those are not good operations.

1:15:57 Speaker 3: And do you see what he did today? He went running towards the camera and made some apology to Native Americans and that he said, that's why he's had it out west, like he's off the reservation, so to speak, for lack of a better term.

1:16:12 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because during the debate, I was looking over, I'm saying, this is strange. It's just like strange things were happening.

1:16:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, but he couldn't keep it together. But do you think they knew he couldn't keep it together? I do you think that they wanted? Is that why, like historically that debate was earlier than they've been in the past, right.

1:16:32 Speaker 2: I think they wanted to get well, there's a lot of theories. A lot of people said do the debate now and we'll get him out, right. I think that maybe could be.

1:16:40 Speaker 3: Well that is what happened.

1:16:42 Speaker 2: I think they also said do the debate now and get it over with. I don't think anybody thought he was going to get out really.

1:16:49 Speaker 3: I don't make any sense the debate.

1:16:51 Speaker 2: The debate got him out, but I think it's very unfair. Look, you have a bad debate. His numbers went down. But I think she's not doing very well right now, and I think she looks well.

1:17:02 Speaker 3: I get to that too, because it's hard to know. Like the whole Pole thing is very bizarre for most people, because most people don't answer poles, so they read the polls. Then where you have all from a pole. I I didn't hang out.

1:17:12 Speaker 2: I was never called by a pulse.

1:17:14 Speaker 3: If I did, I wouldn't answer. I'm busy.

1:17:15 Speaker 2: You know how poles had done. Oh I'm going to get my sleep in trouble. But so I really don't believe too much in it.

1:17:22 Speaker 3: So well twenty sixteen taught a lot of people about the ineffective.

1:17:25 Speaker 2: Well, they were very effective because I thought I was doing well. I'd go to a place and I'd have thirty forty thousand people. Hillary would go they have five hundred people, and they tell me I'm going to lose. I said, why am I going to lose? I had forty thousand people. She had two hundred people. But you know, I have a theory of these pulses. They charge you a lot of money too, you know, they charge you half a million bucks to do some stupid pole and they interview like two hundred and fifty one people.

1:17:47 Speaker 2: I don't think they interview In many cases, I don't want to get myself in too much showing bullshit. I think they sit there, they make a deal, they get a half a million bucks, and they say Trump's leading fifty one to forty nine. They announced it, and everybody says, oh, do you understand I've heard. I don't think they I think in a lot. Look, I'm a very common sense person. I think that they probably don't always Paul. Some of them probably never Paul, what's the difference between forty nine to fifty one and forty seven and a half.

1:18:20 Speaker 3: Well, it's also a tiny percentage of the population. I don't think it's representative of the overall population. I just don't.

1:18:27 Speaker 2: I don't know of one person in my whole life that ever got called by.

1:18:30 Speaker 3: A pulse exactly. That's my point. So here's here's my question.

1:18:35 Speaker 2: But I shouldn't say that because I'm doing very you know, really well in the polls, and I think that's so this week I happen to believe in a verse, I only believe if they could.

1:18:43 Speaker 3: No.

1:18:44 Speaker 2: I like them this month, but no, I honestly believe that this is probably a lot of fraud. I had a Paul Washington post ABC in the Hillary thing on Wisconsin. They had me down seventeen points the day before the election. I knew it was wrong because I had a rally only nine thousand people at a racetrack and it was like zero do is Wisconsin, and they had me down seventeen points. In other words, you had no chance. And I won. And I called up my posters, good guy, good, good guy, and I believe he's legitimate, and you know, and some of them are and some of them are.

1:19:17 Speaker 2: I said, tell me, why did they have me down so much? I mean, nobody's going to believe them the next time. They said, they don't care. When you're down seventeen points, people are going to stay home. They're not going to vote right because they're going to say, I love Trump, but I'm not going to waste my time. It's cold out. I said, but what do they make it? Four or five? He said, at four or five, they're going to go and vote. At seventeen they're not going to go and vote, so think of it. I was seven, This is the Washington Post, ABC, Paul, I was down seventeen points in Wisconsin and I won.

1:19:47 Speaker 2: It's crooked stuff.

1:19:49 Speaker 3: There's a lot of crooked stuff. And I wanted to talk about that too, because one of the things that people talk about with you is the denial of the results. And I think JD. Van Instead a brilliant job. The other day when he was being interviewed UH and they asked him, did Trump lose the twenty twenty election? And he turned it around and said, was their legitimate election interference in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media? And was that a concerted effort?

1:20:18 Speaker 2: Well difference and I lost by one one tenth of a point. It is They say it was twenty two thousand of us, but look it was much more than that. And I appreciate J. Devens saying that. And by the way, I think he was a great pick.

1:20:34 Speaker 3: Like I like him a lot.

1:20:35 Speaker 2: You're allowed to say that.

1:20:37 Speaker 3: I think he's a brilliant guy, and I think his ability to talk like a normal human being. He did you did, my friend THEO Vaughan's podcast and he just did it.

1:20:46 Speaker 2: How did he do it?

1:20:47 Speaker 3: Did great? And he just talks like a human being?

1:20:50 Speaker 2: Is that what you called me to do?

1:20:52 Speaker 3: No?

1:20:52 Speaker 2: No, we really I was he was they shot you.

1:20:56 Speaker 3: I was like, he's got to come in here. It's all about timing. It's all about the timing.

1:20:59 Speaker 2: Time.

1:21:00 Speaker 3: Think timing is perfect. Do you even have a scar in your ear? You got anything on there? I do what we say?

1:21:05 Speaker 2: So right over here. It zicked right there.

1:21:11 Speaker 3: It healed up pretty fucking good man.

1:21:13 Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Yeah, it's a little it's not like some of the wrestlers, some of the UFC fighters. No, no, it got it was sort of like a top shot. The point of the bullet was older thes but you see the things take it off a little bit. But uh, it makes me a tougher guy. You know the fighters, you know, the fighters love their you know, Bo Nichol is a great fight. How's he going to do?

1:21:38 Speaker 3: I think he's great.

1:21:39 Speaker 2: He's a fantastic He was almost like undefeated and he still.

1:21:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a fantastic wrestler and one of the one of the best mixed martins.

1:21:45 Speaker 2: When is he fighting again?

1:21:46 Speaker 3: He's fighting a masters square garden in November.

1:21:49 Speaker 2: Oh, that's going to be an after the election. Yep. So I'll either go as president or I'll be depressed and I won't bother them. Yeah, I think they're having a fight right at.

1:21:58 Speaker 3: One of the things that was fastening also was the denial of the election results is a pretty common thing. Hillary Clinton famously denied that. She called you an illegitimate president, and she said that Russia put you in place.

1:22:11 Speaker 2: Even though she conceded, yes, you know, she conceded the night of the election because she was beaten.

1:22:15 Speaker 3: Yes. And it was a thing that was pretty common for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections. There's been many of them, the Bush administration, the you know, the dangling chads, all that stuff.

1:22:29 Speaker 2: Well, look at these guys in Congress, all these sleaves bags in Congress that are Democrats. They are still denying twenty sixteen. But now they don't so much because you know, they try and pin it on me. You don't hear them saying, but here's what they denied it right up until the end.

1:22:42 Speaker 3: My point is this idea of election fraud is a forbidden topic, and you get labeled an election deny. It's like being labeled an anti vaxer. If you question some of the health consequences that people have from the COVID nineteen shots, Oh my god, anti you're an anti vaxer. If you say and what I say publicly, and I've said this a lot, it's not zero percent. So if you ask me, what is the amount of election fraud in this country? Is it zero percent? No one thinks it's zero percent. I've never met one person, not of super liberal, progressive, far left person or a right wing conservative.

1:23:19 Speaker 3: Not one person thinks it's zero percent. They think when you have human beings. And also you have a lot of weirdness that was going on during the twenty twenty elections, particularly with mail in ballots.

1:23:31 Speaker 2: And you had legislatures that had to approve and they didn't approve, and they went out and did it anyway. And you had ballot you had old fashioned ballot screwing. I mean, you had well you have people going up and dropping in phony votes. You had unsigned ballots, et cetera, et cetera.

1:23:47 Speaker 3: There's certain people that think they have and there's the rhetoric is also that you're Hitler, and that in order to stop Hitler you have to do whatever it is.

1:23:56 Speaker 2: It was okay, yeah, yeah, and this is I mean.

1:23:57 Speaker 3: You're hearing this now. Kamala compared you to said your love of Hitler yesterday.

1:24:02 Speaker 2: It's you know, Kamla is a very low IQ person. She's a very low acute you know. I'm for taking tests too. I think anybody that runs for president should take they should give them tests. And it's not an age thing. It's not based If you look back on history seventies and eighties, your greatest some of your greatest leaders in the world's world history, longtime world history, they were in their seventies and their eighties. But I think you should take cognitive tests. I think everybody they say it's unconstitutional, but I.

1:24:31 Speaker 3: Think that's ridiculous.

1:24:32 Speaker 2: I think Kamala should have a test because there's something missing, there's something wrong with her.

1:24:35 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's pressure. I think the pressure and the scrutiny. You've been a celebrity for a long time and you understand what this is like. But for someone who's in her late forties, who becomes the vice president, who runs for president, becomes the vice president, and then all of a sudden, the weight of the world is on your shoulders and there's all these people paying to a lot of people clam up.

1:24:54 Speaker 2: But you'll be the havity you don't correct. Look, this is an interview. You've we've covered a lot of territory, right, and you know it's fine. I don't care. I want to. I think it's much more interesting. She to do an interview with Anderson Cooper, a softball, crazy softball interview. She took two days off and she studied and studied all day long, and then she comes out with a result that was a real embarrassment. That was a really bad interview. She couldn't answer a question and every question is not answered.

1:25:25 Speaker 2: I mean, like, what would you do your first day in office? Okay, I'll build a wall. I won't build a wall. There's one hundred things you can say, just say anything, right, there's something off with her. Well, we're dealing we're dealing with the smartest people. They hate when I say, you know, when the press when I call presidency, they said he called president she brilliant. Well he's a brilliant guy. He controls one point four billion people with an iron fist. I mean, he's a brilliant guy. Whether you like it, or not, and they go crazy.

1:25:53 Speaker 3: Right, it doesn't mean he's not evil, or it doesn't mean he's not Yeah, of course not dangerous.

1:25:57 Speaker 2: But actually we have evil people in our country. If you have a smart president, he can deal with Russia. He can deal with all of it. Russia would have never gone into Ukraine if I were president.

1:26:09 Speaker 3: How would you have stopped it?

1:26:11 Speaker 2: Automatic Two things I told him. I said, Vladimir, you're not gone in. I used to talk to him all the time, You're not going in. I can't tell you what I told him because I think it would be inappropriate. But someday he'll tell you. But he would have never gone in. But you know why else? He wouldn't have gone in. Oil prices at forty dollars a barrow wouldn't have allowed him, wouldn't have given him the money to prosecute that war, wouldn't have given him the money. I said it with President I was with President She.

1:26:39 Speaker 2: I said, it was almost the same conversation. With Vladimir. It was Moscow. With President she it was Beijing. It was almost the exact same conversation. I said, don't do it. He would have never done it. The day I left, they flew twenty eight bombers over the middle of Taiwan, twenty eight bombers, and it's the apple of his eye. And the same thing with Russia, it's the apple Ukraine is the apple of his eye. I used to talk to me. I had a very good relationship with him. He wouldn't have done it, he would have never done it.

1:27:12 Speaker 2: But he also wouldn't have done it because of the you know, one of the reasons that what happened is number One, he doesn't respect by at all, not even a little bit. And who the hell would but he doesn't respect him. But when he saw what happened in Afghanistan, how horribly that was handled. Number One, you take the soldiers out last, not first. Okay, that was their big mistake, and we had that thing charted out and they weren't obeying us. They weren't. Abdul is the head of the Taliban Boom boom.

1:27:40 Speaker 2: He had to do all these things. Some he didn't do. I said, nope, you're not doing it. You got to do them all. This guy took he immediately took all. He left the equipment behind. Thirteen soldiers did, but he took everybody out. He took his soldiers out before a child would know. That's where Millie was so stupid. He was such a stupid guy, Millie. Okay, those generals should have o been fired. The afghan the people that were involved with Afghanistan should have oben fired. Then they'd be writing books about him, how stupid he was and bad he was.

1:28:13 Speaker 2: But you take your soldiers out last. I had a big rally and I saw a child in the front row about a year and a half ago, and I called the child up. I said, you mind if I borrow your child? Oh? Yes, please, And they came up, kids five years. I gave him a quick details, you know, I said, we want to get out of this place, and we have this, so we have this, and we have the equipment. I gave him a little thing. I said, do you take your soldiers out first or last? After everything's done, you take them out last, sir, A child would know that we took our soldiers out first.

1:28:47 Speaker 2: What you were left and we left the backroom.

1:28:51 Speaker 3: Well, not only that, billions of dollars worth of equipment and military vehicles that are use for parades now.

1:28:57 Speaker 2: The best equipment you had to embarrass us them, the best equipment in the world.

1:29:01 Speaker 3: The Taliban parade where there it got tanks rolling down the streets and black hawks flying is the craziest thing I've ever seen. We left, and we left the.

1:29:08 Speaker 2: Best equipment in the world behind.

1:29:11 Speaker 3: What would you have done differently, Well.

1:29:14 Speaker 2: Number one, we would have taken it out, just saying go back a little bit further. I had a couple of conversations with Abdul and from the time I had those conversations because they were shooting our soldiers, you know, with the sniper stuff they were shooting. They were shooting a lot of them. They were shooting a lot with Obama, much less with me, but they were shooting them. And I said, get this guy in the phone. The press what nuts when they heard this. I had a great conversation with It was a tough conversation.

1:29:41 Speaker 2: Eighteen months later, there wasn't one soldier that was ever shot at, And even Biden admitted it in a moment of stupidity, because he shouldn't admit it. His people were nuts. He said, yeah, well, I will admit no soldier. We didn't have a soldier killed in eighteen months in Afghanistan. Not one soldier was killed because he understood what was going to happen. If that happened, I didn't have one. So then when I left, after having gotten more votes than any sitting president in the history of the country, and much more votes that he got in twenty sixteen, when I left, they started shooting ourselvesers.

1:30:19 Speaker 2: But more importantly what they did is they did that whole thing with you know, leaving. He shouldn't have left. Number one. Should have left from Bargram because Bargram's this massive base. It's got tremendous acreage around, a tremendous it's a very big. It was built many years ago, and part of the reason you wouldn't have taken that is because it goes to China, one hour from where China makes its nuclear missiles. You should have never left Bargram. Number one. They should have left from Bargram.

1:30:49 Speaker 2: They should have left last. They should have gotten you know, we have Americans that are still there. They should have taken all their equipment out. Everything should every plane, every screw should have been taken out, every t And I said that That's when I realized that really was a dummy. I said, we're leaving, but I want to get everything out search cheaper to leave it. I said, what do you mean cheaper? Yeah, he said it's cheaper to leave it. That was cheaper, cheaper. He said, it's cheaper, sir, not more dangerous.

1:31:16 Speaker 2: He just said cheaper. I said, I want every plane, I want every tank, I want the goggles. They have night goggles, they have all this stuff that these guys now have. He said, sir, it's cheaper to get out and leave it. I said, so you think it's cheaper to leave one hundred and fifty million dollar brand new airplane in there than it is to fly it out with a tank of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just fly it directly back. It's cheaper to live. I said, this guy's nuts. I'm telling you. He was so stupid.

1:31:46 Speaker 2: He was so unwise. He was like an unwise man. And there were a number of them. But I defeated ISIS with the greatest generals. I had a guy who was so great. I flew to a rack and I met the real generals, not these idiots that we deal with, and we knocked out. You know, I defeated one hundred percent of the ISIS caliphate. They said it would take five years. I did it in a manner of a few literally a few weeks, and we hit them hard. And he said, said, we're gonna hit him here, We're gonna hit him there.

1:32:20 Speaker 2: We're gonna hit him here there. And I said, this guy's great. I like this guy. I was told it would take five years. That's why I went. I said, how could it take five years? We have brand new fighters, We have the best planes, the best weapons, the best guns, the best bombs. How could it possibly take that long? And I flew to I flew and left at three o'clock in the morning. Nobody knewere I was going. I got an air Force one and we started flying. And when we reached about half an hour away from Iraq, that was where the airport was, big airport, about a half an hour away, they said, sir, I'm sorry, you'll have to turn off all your lights.

1:32:59 Speaker 2: Why getting close to our site land, I said, I mean, we spent eight trillion dollars or we can't leave the lights. I think of this twenty years, eight trillion dollars, and we can't leave the lights on in a plane. I said, that's okay, turn the lights on. I'm not going to fight them to this one.

1:33:15 Speaker 3: This is because it's too dangerous.

1:33:16 Speaker 2: It's too dangerous because they see the light up in the you know, so I said, turn the lights. So then they said, so we're can also pull your shades off. That's okay. I said, that's okay. The plane was pitch black. All the lights outside, you know, the blinking, the blinking reds, they were all turned off. And I like to sit with pilots a lot of times, and these guys are specimens. I always say, they're better looking than Tom Cruise, okay, and they're even taller, like perfect specimens. These guys, Like for a fighter, you know, you have some guys that are perfect specimen.

1:33:51 Speaker 2: And you know they picked they picked the best pilots in the Air Force United States Air Force to fly Air Force one. And I get up there and I'm sitting and I'm feeling my way up. You know it's up. I cast seven forty seven, so you go through the stairs. But I sort of knew my way up. There wasn't a light in the planet. I'm saying, can you imagine we spent trillions of dollars and we're trying to fly in blind. But I got into the planet the cockpit is dark, black, little tiny light. You could see the pilot, a perfect looking human being, his coat, pilot, everybody was perfect.

1:34:25 Speaker 2: They were all like movie stars. You know. It's like I could have cast a movie with these guys and nobody would believe it because they were too good looking. So I said, how are we doing? So there will be landing in ten minutes and I look outside. There's not a light, and I'm you know, I've landed a lot of planes and you see like little lights. At least there's nothing. It's just pure desert. And I said, okay, captain. Good but I'm looking. Now where did you've been in many plants where it has the computer?

1:34:55 Speaker 2: So I'm saying one thousand feet nine goes one thousand, eight hundred. It's a computer voice, but it sounds like but it's an incredible voice seven hundred. I said, captain, Are we okay? I'm looking? Are we okay? Captain? There's no lights and I'm looking, you know, normally when you land upon Because I sit with loss a lot, I think it's great. I think it's a great profession. Everything it's They're incredible. These machines are gud. You said sir We're fine, no problem, sir, I said, you know, I don't see the lights up there.

1:35:28 Speaker 2: Captain. Sure, we're okay, you know, so I mean I'm exaggerating a little bit. You know. Probably probably with exaggerating will tell the story they say Trump was a coward. So I'm sitting with the use five hundred and I'm telling you there wasn't a light on the runway, nothing, And we're going in you okay, Captain, Everything good, yes, sir, no problem. We'll be down at about one minute, sir. And I'm telling you, Joe, you know there's always a light. There's not a little pin and all of a suddensh and you hear it, wah woah, perfect land.

1:36:04 Speaker 2: They like glass. That's how good I mean, these guys between the equipment and it's genius. It was so dark you couldn't see a thing. There was no runway. You wouldn't know where the hell you're here in the middle of the desert. And then I got out of the plane. I said, thank you, captain, it's a great job. Then I get out of the plane and I'm going down and I see a general and another general, and I see a staff sergeant, a drill sergeant and the various guys all central casting, Central casting. They said, sir, would you like to rest?

1:36:38 Speaker 2: I said, I don't want to rest. I wanted to figure out what the hell are we doing with ISIS. I'm here. We can't it's gonna take years. No, sir, we can do it very quickly, sir. And anyway, we go into the room we're going. I mean Biden would have taken a nap for four days and then left without a meeting. So we go into the room and they have these guys. I say, how long can you do it? How long we can do it in a couple of weeks there they said, wait a minute. They told me five years we can do it, and he gave me a number like just like in no time.

1:37:09 Speaker 2: I said, why haven't you done it? Because the orders came in from Washington, sir, and they would come here and tell us what to do. Don't you challenge us. We're not allowed to do that, sir. That's not the military way. They tell us what to do and we have to respect them.

1:37:25 Speaker 3: So do you think that it was incompetence why they didn't go after ISIS.

1:37:29 Speaker 2: I think it's a bad system. You know, when Madis goes there or when Millie goes there, who's stupid And they tell these guys that are actually smart what to do, and the guys that are smart are saying, we don't like what they're doing, but they're not allowed to sort of counteract. Plus, the guys that went there are arrogant. You know, they're arrogant fools. They're like stupid fools. The way they pulled out of you know, the way they as an example, the way they pulled out of Afghanistan with the people falling off the plane so also it was so it was it was worse than Vietnam with the helicopters followed them.

1:38:01 Speaker 2: It was so bad. There was no reason for it anyway. So we knocked them out. And I mean, we have great military, we have great people, but not the television guys. And I rebuilt the military, and then they gave a chunk of it. Now I have to tell, as much as it is, it's a tiny little piece, believe it or not, we have an unbelievable I rebuilt the military. I rebuilt our nuclear and in a way I hated to redo it, but I got to realize how powerful that nuclear is Joe, one bomb, Israel was gone, but forget one bomb could take out the entire East coast.

1:38:39 Speaker 2: It's so bad. And I watched these poor fools talking about our oceans will rise one eighth of an inch over the next five hundred years. I mean, we have people, we have countries right now, you have five countries, and don't underestimate North North if you take a look at North Korea. Then I was there. I mean I was with Kim John. I had a great really, I got along great with him. You know the presses. He got along good. That's a good thing. It's not a bad I think it's a great thing. Obama thought we were going to go to war with North Korea.

1:39:11 Speaker 2: When I met with Obama just prior to the takeoff. You know, you meet, you have it's a sort of a ceremonial meeting. But it lasted a long time, a lot longer than it was supposed to last. I said, what's the biggest problem? He said, North Korea. By the time I finished, I was we would had no problem with North Korea. We were really it was a little tough at the beginning. Remember m hm. He said, I have a red button on my desk. I said, I have a red button also, but mine's bigger than yours and mine works.

1:39:38 Speaker 3: I liked how you call them little rocket man, I said.

1:39:40 Speaker 2: I said, yeah, a little rocket. I said, little rocket man, you're going to burn in hell. And it was a rough yeah, oh so rough that people were worried. This is crazy. And then one day I got a call sort of like a fight. I got a call. You know, you ever see pounding and then all of a sudden, but I got a call and it was from him, meaning his people. They wanted to meet. They wouldn't meet Obama. He tried to meet. They wouldn't even talk to him about it. And I think he expected to go to war. I actually do.

1:40:09 Speaker 2: I believe he expected to go. And we checked their nuclear stock. But it is substantial. I mean, it's that's I said, do you do anything? I got to know him very well. I got to know him better than anybody anybody, And I said, do you ever do anything else? Why don't you go take it easy and relax, Go to the beach. You have beautiful beach, nice beach, fun property, you know. Kiddingly, I said, you're always building nuclear Just relax, you don't have to do it. Let's build some condos on your shoreline.

1:40:37 Speaker 2: They actually have gorgeous stuff. And he said, I just have to do it because I needed for my safety. It said. I got to know him very well. We had no problem with him. If you have a smart problem, if you have a smart really the right president, the smart president, you're not going to have a problem. And I say it to people, we have a bigger problem, in my opinion, with the enemy from within. And it drives them crazy when I use that term. But we have an enemy from within. We have people that are really bad, people that I really think want to make this country unsuccessful.

1:41:11 Speaker 2: When you look at what's happening at our border, Joe, when you have people coming in that when other countries are allowed to empty their prisons into our country with murderers. We had thirteen thousand and ninety nine murderers dropped in our country over the last three years.

1:41:27 Speaker 3: And fifteen thousand rapists, convicted.

1:41:29 Speaker 2: Rapists, drug dealers, drug lords, just the pars correct people from mental institutions.

1:41:38 Speaker 3: What do you think this one?

1:41:39 Speaker 2: Hundreds are Joe, hundreds of thousands of major criminals tougher and worse than anybody. We have these.

1:41:47 Speaker 3: We're seeing the consequences of it. In San Antonio, they've taken over apartment buildings. In Aurora, Colorado, they take their more apartment buildings, these venezuelan and gangs. At the beginning, what do you think the strategy is? You know, one of the things that they've said is that you stopped a bill from being passed, But didn't that bill also include amnesty for the people that already hear?

1:42:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is years after the fact. The damage was already done.

1:42:13 Speaker 3: But what was the bill when the bill was the problem?

1:42:15 Speaker 2: It allowed two million people and they were going to get amnesty. It was a horrible bill. It didn't protect us at all.

1:42:23 Speaker 3: But we should just tell people what the strategy is. So one of the things their strategy, one of the things that's been very clear is that they've moved a large percentage of these migrants they're coming across the border illegally. They've moved them to swing states. This is what's going on in Springfield, Ohio.

1:42:40 Speaker 2: Right in swing states. Well, that's not a swing stead. I'm going to win Ohio by a lot, so that's that swing. But it's called Springfield, Ohio. To be exactly, and Springfield, Ohio, is this very nice community of fifty two thousand people that just had thirty two thousand migrants that don't speak the language dropped into their community. You can't get into a hospital, you can't get into a school. It's gone from a beautiful little place to a horror show. And the mayor is a nice guy. And the mayor says, we're looking for interpreters.

1:43:16 Speaker 2: I said, no, you've got to remove them and bring them back to their country, mostly Haitians in this case. But they speak no they speak no language, they speak no Englishmen. In fact, even the language they do speak, it's I mean, they can't get interpreters, they can't do anything. And the mayor's trying to be politically correct. They're all trying to be In Aurora, Colorado, you have the worst, probably the worst gang, MS thirteen might even be. You know, those two are the worst gangs. These are Venezuela gangs.

1:43:44 Speaker 2: They have taken over apartment complexes and they're going to want to take over the whole thing. And you have a weak governor, pathetic governor who's a radical left Democrat. He doesn't know what the hell to do. But you have it in many other communities, but they don't like to talk about it because because it's you know, it's bad for the community to talk about it. These people have been let in here by this imbecile. She's I mean, she's a low IQ person, low IQ.

1:44:13 Speaker 3: But it's also it's obviously not just herre's there's a strategy.

1:44:18 Speaker 2: In charge of the border.

1:44:19 Speaker 3: Well she's in charge of the border. But they also they utilize that app, the app that used to be used. It used to be used I think essentially, wasn't it for shipping? Wasn't it when people were in this country?

1:44:30 Speaker 2: It was used for shipping? And now it's used to deal with the cartels, the cartel heads of the cartel, rich people, by the way, these are loaded. These people have so much money. They would call up think of this. They call up the app and the app tells them where they should take their load of illegal migrants from the Congo. You know, we have a lot from the Congo prisons in the Congo. I made a little bit of a sarcastic joke. A man named Dana White, who you love? Who I love? I assume you love? I think I think he's in a class by me.

1:45:04 Speaker 3: He's probably the reason why you're here. I don't know, maybe he's one of the big ones.

1:45:10 Speaker 2: He is the greatest guy.

1:45:12 Speaker 3: You know.

1:45:12 Speaker 2: I always say, every nobody's indispensable. You know, everybody can be replaced. Maybe you can't be, you might not be. But they know what truly, I don't think you know the things they sort of for four billion. I said, what a herald. Who the hell is going to pay four billion? And they made it like a great deal. I mean, because take him out. I think it's all different. He's the best, and he's also the greatest guy. He spoke at the whole thing with you know, I had just been shot and he got up and he spoke so better than anybody.

1:45:44 Speaker 2: I mean, who would be better to introduce you? I asked of all the people, and I know, the biggest people in the world, and they all would have loved to have done it. I said, Dana, would you do it? You know? It was interesting he was away and he said to the people that, you know, one of my guys called. He said, I won't be able to do it. I'm sure had just left with my wife and family. Well, I said, he said, no, Yeah. I was a little surprised, even though I knew he was very far away. He was in some place, you know, and he deserved it with his family, you know, the all things.

1:46:12 Speaker 2: And then I said, all right, and I said, we'll look at who are we going to get? And all of a sudden she comes in, Sir Dana White just said he's going to do it and he's coming back in tonight. He's taking But you know, the guy is just an incredible guy, and he's like a tough champion but loyal. Yeah, he's got to be one of your favorite people. He's one of my favorite people.

1:46:33 Speaker 3: I've been friends with him for twenty three years.

1:46:36 Speaker 2: I love him. So would you have? Because you're what you're doing here is incredible. I mean, everybody tells me, well, I know is today I'm going you know you're on Joe Rogan take. People are telling me, like I said, I say, how to help you know that? But it's it's sort of what you've done here is amazing. Where would you be if you didn't do the UFC stuff? Would you have this show? Do you think?

1:46:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll still be doing it for sure.

1:46:58 Speaker 2: Yeah. Would it be at the same would it be at the same? I don't know, but you would have.

1:47:02 Speaker 3: It's hard to know. I think, you know. One of the things that works for this show, I guess is that I'm involved in so many different things, you know, stand up comedy, UFC and all the interests that I have that lead to the podcast.

1:47:14 Speaker 2: Well you always want to do you first of all, you love UFC.

1:47:17 Speaker 3: I love it.

1:47:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, you love the fights. I mean I watched you you I love it. They could pay you nothing, it'd be verat.

1:47:22 Speaker 3: They didn't pay me anything for the first like thirteen shows. I did it for free because they were hemorrhaging money. And I became friends with Dana, and my my position was, you're gonna give me the best seat in the house. I get to sit cage side for the fights, I'll do it. And I wanted to help. I was like, I think these are the guys that we had always hoped for in those early days of the sport. I started working for the company in nineteen ninety seven. I was the before the UFC was purchased by Zufo, which Dana worked for, so I was a part of the previous owners and I only did it for a couple of years.

1:47:51 Speaker 3: It was just too much, and I was losing money, and it was banned from cable because of Budweiser and John McCain and you can only get it on during TV and.

1:47:59 Speaker 2: So and then I came along and I gave him the sights and he never forgot it.

1:48:04 Speaker 3: He loves you.

1:48:06 Speaker 2: Just interrupted for one so they couldn't get a sight because it was too dangerous and everybody was against it, and they couldn't get license. And I gave him the first two or three sites, yep, and they were great. And by the way I went to the first fight, I said, I never saw anything like this. It was crazy. It was so good. Take the best fight you've ever It was like that fight, right, It was so good that it gave it to me again. Get and all of a sudden they caught on. But you know, when I wasn't in vogue, you know, I've had time.

1:48:35 Speaker 2: You probably never had a time, But I had times when I wasn't exactly in vogue. Dana, they called him. He said, he's the greatest guy. There's nobody like he said. I'll never say anything bad about that guy. Because when I needed because they were having a hard time at the beginning, they once pulled the plug a couple of times, right, he said, he stood up and he gave us stuff that nobody else gave us, and nobody wanted anything to do. And I will never And there was a time where it would have been very popular for him to say bad stuff about me.

1:49:06 Speaker 2: He said the greatest stuff about me. He said, you're gonna try and get me to say bad stuff about Trump. I'm never doing it. No, He's an un guy, very unusual guy. He's a fantastic, a perfect.

1:49:17 Speaker 3: Guy to be at the helm of something so controversial as the UFC.

1:49:21 Speaker 2: Less controversial now, well, now it's huge.

1:49:23 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, this was always the thing that I would hope that it would be. I always knew that it was unbelievably entertaining, but I just didn't know if maybe I was crazy. Maybe I loved it because I've had this long history of being involved in martial arts, and maybe, like other people just think it's too violent.

1:49:37 Speaker 2: But can boxing make it?

1:49:39 Speaker 3: Yeah? Boxing is still a great sport.

1:49:41 Speaker 2: I love boxing, but it seems to be so unimportant now by comparison to UFC, don't you think.

1:49:47 Speaker 3: I think? Well, you know, Dana is working with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, they're gonna be promoting boxing now, and with Dana at the helm of it, I think boxing can return because the thing is they want to make fights that other maybe you know, promoters don't want to make because they want to protect their fighter, controversial fights where you know it's dangerous, like you don't know, this guy could lose. And so the Saudi's they're smart. They just offer a tremendous amount of money and they're putting together fighter fights that no one else can put together.

1:50:15 Speaker 3: They're doing that in boxing.

1:50:17 Speaker 2: If Dana's involved, they'll probably make it good. You know. The amazing thing though, the in fighting, no UFC fighter, they say, has ever died, and it looks to be much more violent than bucks many boxes have died. Isn't it interesting? And Dana tells me because they take so many shots to the face.

1:50:34 Speaker 3: Yes, And there's also no other options to preserve yourself, to protect yourself. So if you get hit in a UFC fight, you can clinch, you can try to take the fight to the ground. You get options. Also, you don't get allowed to get knocked down and then get back up. When you get knocked down, you're concussed and generally, you know, if a guy's really hurt, they could be finished on the ground and the fight's over. If it's boxing, you have ten seconds to get up. You get up, your head kind of clears you're still in bad trouble, and then you can kind of run away and survive until the bell rings.

1:51:03 Speaker 3: There are only three minute rounds and then you start again, so you're getting repeated punishment to the head, you know. And then there's also the issue of guys weight cutting, you know, which is a problem with the UFC as well. But weightcutting and boxing has led to if you look at deaths in boxing, there's very few of them in the heavyweight division. Most of the deaths in boxing are the lightweight divisions because when guys dehydrate themselves to lose to lose weight to make weight, their brain is the last thing that gets rehydrated.

1:51:29 Speaker 3: Like it's very difficult to completely hydrate your brain quickly, and you only have twenty four hours between the weigh and and the fight. And it used to be the weigh ins were the day of the fight, like when Boom Boom Mancini had a fight with Duck Hu Kim and killed him in the ring, which is one of the last ones on television that we've seen. That was a crazy event for people and heartbreaking, and it led to a bunch of different changes, and one of them is day before weighans to allow people to rehydrate better.

1:51:56 Speaker 3: And the other one is they dropped it from fifteen rounds down to twelve.

1:52:00 Speaker 2: Look, they should do that. I get you know, I'm not I'm not the fighter, so but those fifteen round fights were unbelieved.

1:52:05 Speaker 3: They were unbelievable.

1:52:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of Golden Age, Yeah, in terms of entertainment, oh yeah, those were the championship reps, those were the greatest fights.

1:52:15 Speaker 3: Those last three rounds were crazy. I mean, it's such a war of attrition. You know, a lot of people think even like a five round UFC fight, The UFC is five minute rounds. It's so much energy you're burning out. And those last couple of rounds, those five round fights, the fourth and the fifth round unbelievably brutal.

1:52:32 Speaker 2: Who's the greatest UFC fighter? And are you allowed to say in your opinion? It's tough for you to say because you do this, but who do you think is the greatest.

1:52:39 Speaker 3: Of the fighters there's there's a lot of arguments for who's the greatest of all time. You know, John Jones, most people would say it's the greatest of all time, never lost. Uh it's there's certainly a really good argument for that. There's another argument for George Saint Pierre. I always leave in BJ Penn in his prime, Anderson Silva in his prime. You know, Mighty Mouse. People forget about Mighty Mouse because unfortunately he's a smaller guy. It's one hundred and twenty five pounds flyweight champion.

1:53:06 Speaker 3: He's one of the greatest expressions of mixed martial arts I've ever seen, I think to this day, and was fantastic. But if you looked at the accomplishments in terms of championship fights, kuld be retired twenty nine and zero, but he didn't.

1:53:19 Speaker 2: Have probably never lost around.

1:53:22 Speaker 3: They might have lost to Glason Tebow. He might have lost to him. He might have lost a round. And that was a controversial fight where people think that Glason Teabow could have even got the decision in that fight. I'd have to go back and watch it again to make a decision. But uh, oh, the best athletes in the world and the most dangerous sport in terms of like it's I always call it high level problem solving with dire physical consequence. That's what fighting is, you know, I'll never forget.

1:53:50 Speaker 2: So there was a fighter named James Tony.

1:53:52 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I love James Tony.

1:53:54 Speaker 2: He thought as a very light fighter and he ended up as a heavyweight. And this guy went through everything. He was almost like a light eight.

1:54:00 Speaker 3: He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight.

1:54:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, and heavyweight and he was a real fighter. Oh yeah, so James Tony and I think it was uh say, George, George Saint Pierre, Saint Pierre, I think it was him. Who did he fight James Tony.

1:54:16 Speaker 3: No, James Tony didn't fight George.

1:54:18 Speaker 2: He fought a UFC fight.

1:54:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, Randy Cotur fought James Tony was but that was like an easy fight. That was a very easy fight. Randy co George just took him down.

1:54:26 Speaker 2: And it was the most and he's half the size and he just once he got to the end because back then just said it's over yea.

1:54:33 Speaker 3: And he put him. He took him down, mounted them strangled him.

1:54:36 Speaker 2: And James he was but he was talking big because he was much bigger.

1:54:39 Speaker 3: He was a pretty big James just wanted to make some money and you.

1:54:41 Speaker 2: Think so, Yeah, I never forgot it. It was it was over very quickly and he was lying sleeping on the mat and he was talking, you know, he was doing the Muhammad all this stuff. But it didn't work out.

1:54:51 Speaker 3: But I remember the fight.

1:54:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was co tour.

1:54:53 Speaker 3: Probably George never fought a boxer in an m M A fight. If he did, he would kill them. Was he was one of the greatest, Yes, unquestionably, that's the argument. There's like a handful of guys you can make the argument, is the greatest of all time. People forget about Anderson Silva in his prime he was unstoppable. It's but that's the thing in this fatal or a million inco who fought Pride in his prime, he was unstoppable. There's there's this and you have a couple now that Oh we've got so many Now Alex Pereira's there's an argument that he's the Yeah, he's unbelievable, but it's like fighters can only compete at that level for so many years, and so my opinion, you have to judge them at their very peak.

1:55:33 Speaker 3: You can't judge them when they're hanging on and still fighting. You can't judge them when they're coming up. You got to judge them in that championship peak, and that championship peak. There's a handful of guys that you would consider at the very time.

1:55:45 Speaker 2: If they stopped a little bit sooner. Yeah, some of them would have had, you know. I mean there are a couple of that you just mentioned without mentioning names. And they stopped at the perfect they were unbelievable, and then at a certain age they start getting knocked out.

1:55:58 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, it's unfortunate, But the thing is that same belief in themselves that lets them become a champion makes them think that they can do it long past the time that they actually can.

1:56:07 Speaker 2: Well, Anderson Silver was essentially unbeatable, and then he lost a Class one.

1:56:11 Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden he got knocked out. He got knocked out by Chris Widman. He was kind of clowning in that fight famously, and clicked. Chris Widman had a vicious left hook, knocked him out, and then they fought a second time and he broke his leg on Chris Widman. And after that fight he was kind of never the same because that leg break injury which Connor McGregor had, there's quite a few fighters there. Wyman actually wound up having the same injury. Ironically, it's only been like it because you can't never the same.

1:56:38 Speaker 3: Well, you can. Widman is still kicking with that leg, you can, but psychologically when you throw a kick and your leg snaps in half and you're in agony for a year, right, you have to get surgery. You have to get bolts and plates to keep your leg together, and then it takes forever for it to heal.

1:56:54 Speaker 2: It always amazed me how the kicker, I mean, you have those cases. But the kicker will do tremendous damage to somebody's leg, but their leg doesn't seem to get damage, isn't it.

1:57:04 Speaker 3: It does get damaged. It hurts more than you. Yeah, but your shin, Your shin gets very numb after a while. And guys that are really good kickers, they're kicking the thigh and they're kicking the kicking. They're kicking soft areas and they're slamming this hard numb shin. Their shin gets all these like micro fractures all over the shin and it calcifies, like these guys can kick baseball bats. They ever seem to break baseball bats with their shins. It's crazy. Some guys can do two baseball bats. Someone to hold the baseball bat and they just kick right through them.

1:57:35 Speaker 2: Enthusiasm now right, yeah, and it's like that's the way you're good at what? That's what? Nobody does this better that without the enthusiasm, forget it.

1:57:43 Speaker 3: What it has to be authentic like that. I mean, the only reason why I do MMA commentary is because I'm very interested in it. For real. It's I don't have to manufacture it. I'm very interested.

1:57:54 Speaker 2: So going in there after the fight and they're sweating all of you, they're slapping all of you, your beautiful bleeding.

1:58:02 Speaker 3: A little bit.

1:58:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, like two weeks ago with was He, I never saw Yeah he more stuff came out of his nose.

1:58:09 Speaker 3: Yes, it was pretty nasty, but no, I'm very used to it. I just wanted him to be able to express himself. Job, thank you, thank you, so back to you and back to what what are you? And first of all, I love this idea of you teaming up with Robert Kennedy, right, And I love this make America healthy again idea, because there are chemicals and ingredients, and there are food that are illegal in other countries because they've been shown to be toxic. There's pesticides and herbicides, and there's a lot of ship that's been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary.

1:58:44 Speaker 3: And there's a lot of health consequences that people are suffering from a lot of these things.

1:58:50 Speaker 2: And to you, beautiful, because I had a feeling you'd be asking me, look at this chart. These are healthier countries. Look where the United States is. I'm going to send this to RFKR, so this.

1:59:01 Speaker 3: Is well something along the I was actually talking to RFK today and he told me that more than seventy percent of young men are ineligible for the military because of their health.

1:59:13 Speaker 2: I could say it.

1:59:16 Speaker 3: So, here's the life expectancy versus health expenditure.

1:59:20 Speaker 2: Same chart.

1:59:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, did you see that USA?

1:59:22 Speaker 2: Well that's pretty good, James, he's very good.

1:59:25 Speaker 3: He's the best.

1:59:27 Speaker 2: But look at that.

1:59:27 Speaker 3: Look at the not good. And that's that's our diet. That's that sedentary lifestyle. That's our diet. That's the chemicals we ingest, that's what that is.

1:59:36 Speaker 2: But RFK is going to be very you know. I think he's a great guy.

1:59:41 Speaker 3: I love the fact that you guys teamed up. Yeah, And are you guys, are you completely committed to have him a part of your administration?

1:59:47 Speaker 2: I am. But the only thing I want to be a little careful about with him is the environmental because you know he doesn't like oil. I love oil. I guess I think you know, I think, just keep him out of that to fire. So I'm going to say to keep him out of a little bit. I said, folk on health, you can do whatever you want, but I got to be a little bit careful with the liquid gold.

2:00:05 Speaker 3: You know, I understand, But listen, there's plenty of good work that could be done if you focus on health.

2:00:10 Speaker 2: He's the one that he is the one that my old time favorite see the error right here, that's when I left.

2:00:16 Speaker 3: Do you have anyone that is pressuring you to not work with him? Have? Have there been? Yes? I would imagine because financially he can.

2:00:28 Speaker 2: I would say that. And you know, I think in many ways they've done a good job. In many ways they've done a bad job. But I would say that the big Pharmer wasn't thrilled when they heard that you don't have early. I've actually always gotten along very well with him. I've known him a long time. He's a different kind of a guy. He's very smart, great guy, and he's very sincere about this. I mean he really is. You know, he thinks we spend a fortune on pesticide and all the stuff, and then you end up that chart is a terrible chart, the one previous.

2:01:01 Speaker 2: It's such a bad chart when you look at where we are compared to other countries that don't spend ten cents, right, so, you know, and you save a lot of money. But yeah, I've had some people that aren't exactly thrilled. You can imagine, right, Sure, it's a good question. Actually, well, certainly if it doesn't affect me.

2:01:18 Speaker 3: Some pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed that have negative consequences that these people have been profiting off of. And then you have a guy like RFK Junior who spends an enormous amount of time highlighting those things. You could say, how they've been very reluctant to have you support him.

2:01:33 Speaker 2: I would say that's an understatement.

2:01:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, so what do you do to stop that from listening in the way.

2:01:39 Speaker 2: Well, look, they've come up with some amazing things. I mean, I don't know how you feel. I know you're against the certain vaccines, but like the polio vaccine, people had polio that it was like a disaster, and they came up doctor Salk, and he came up with a vaccine and there's no polio. Now very interesting, there hasn't been polio, but now in the gaza strip. Can you believe that? Have you heard that there's been a big strain of polio coming out in the gaza strip?

2:02:07 Speaker 3: Is it vaccine derived polio? Because you know there's there's a strain of polio that comes directly from the vaccine, because unfortunately, sometimes the vaccinate people for polio.

2:02:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, all I can do is I sit down and I listen to him and I'll give it total. I would love him to be right, because it's if he's right, it's a lot less expensive. Generally.

2:02:28 Speaker 3: There's two things that people point to when they point to the dangers of the pharmaceutical drug industry. One thing is when pharmaceutical drugs were allowed to advertise on television. We're only one of two countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on TV. The other ones New Zealand, but they're they're more restrictive than we are.

2:02:48 Speaker 2: People those ads, those ads when you hear like, you know, take a certain drug and then you hear all you say, it causes cancer and baldness. We don't like suicide, audition and you can lose your vision, you know. I just I actually asked one of these guys, I would never take to course. There's things that are so bad. They go through a whole list. I guess they save some liability, but man, I said, does that affect the purchase? And they say it really does. When they when there's something you have and you read and then they go through the list of side effects, the potential side it's not even the potential side effects.

2:03:23 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people are just I asked that question. People hear that when I hear it, I'm going to take a pass. It says may affect your vision, may cause blindness.

2:03:34 Speaker 3: May yes, but I know you're aware of calent casey means right, yes. Well. One of one of the things that they pointed out, and this is a very important thing for people to understand, is what a lot of these drugs do is they they act to to somehow or another mitigate the effects of poor metabolic health. But most of these problems that these people are suffering from wouldn't exist if we put an emphasis on metabolic health health. If people got healthier they started eating nutritious food and taking vitamins, a whole host of these problems that people are having would go away.

2:04:08 Speaker 3: And the problem with that from the pharmaceutical drug standpoint is they wouldn't be able to sell drugs to these people.

2:04:14 Speaker 2: And this is a pesticides and things like that on the plants, and yeah, what do you think of that?

2:04:20 Speaker 3: It's terrible. Well, I think regenerative agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult to scale to a point where you got a jack in the box on every corner. If everybody wants food, and we have food deserts, and we have places like Los Angeles where no one's growing anything and everything has to be shipped in, and it's very difficult to feed that many people. We've created this incredible society where we have these enormous cities, but it's very difficult to get food to these people. And then for a lot of these people in low income areas, the only food that's available is cheap, unhealthy food, and we could fix that.

2:04:53 Speaker 3: That's if we could send one hundred and seventy five billion dollars to Ukraine. We could do something to fix a lot of the health problems that the United sl States has. And I think it would it would help us as a nation overall, just if you just put it out there that, hey, as a nation, we're going to make a concerted effort to get people healthier. Just put it out there and people start making better choices.

2:05:13 Speaker 2: Well, when you look at that chart, it's crazy. I just they just gave you that jot because they said you may want to discuss this topic, which I know is a big topic for you. And when I looked at that chart and I looked at how unhealthy we are as a nation, that's a that's a pretty big How are you so healthy?

2:05:29 Speaker 3: Is it golf?

2:05:30 Speaker 2: No, it's genetics, I believe you know. I'm a big Genetics is a big factory. I really am. I'm and my father with.

2:05:38 Speaker 3: Unfortunately is a big factor for health. Some people are just way more robust. But you do play golf a lot, and that is.

2:05:44 Speaker 2: Both of my parents. It's for me. It's good, it really is. As you outside even mentally you're focused on that three footer. For some for a couple of hours you're not. And I go quick, I play fast, real fast, and I'm I'm in them out. But you know it gives me. I was never one that could like run on a treadmill just and I can do it. You know, when passing a physical they asked me to run on a treadmill and then they make it steeper and steeper and steeper, and the doctor said it was at waltery. They said, it's unbelievable.

2:06:15 Speaker 2: I could have gone. I'm telling you, I felt I could have gone all day. But I said, doc, I can do this all day long. I'm not. I have no problem, but it's boring to me. Do you understand It's but I did it for so long. They couldn't believe it that I did it, and I never you know, I don't do it. I don't really, you know, I have friends they've running this stuff all day long. But I had no problem doing it. But it's really boring. So with golf or something you know, or tennis or whatever, golf, as you get older, there's something really good about it, and you have competition with it's a great handicapsport.

2:06:52 Speaker 3: And it's also a thing I think that's uh. It cleans your mind because when you're looking at a shot, that's all you can think of. When you're executing, it.

2:07:00 Speaker 2: Gives you a couple of us, you know. It's interesting. Like with tennis, if you're much better than somebody, you can't really play with somebody. You know, it doesn't work. You can give them sort of the equivalent of strokes, right, but it's not this with golf. You can play with a lousy guy and give them a stroke ahole or two strokes a hole or something. You know, it's a good handicapping, right. But it gives me a little exercise. But I haven't played in a long time. I won a lot of I won thirty two club championships.

2:07:24 Speaker 3: Gis, can you play right after you got shot? No?

2:07:28 Speaker 2: Where? What I did is I played with Bryson DeChambeau. Do you know Bryson, Yes, the pro he's a great player. And we played. It was a certain thing that we played, I guess called breaking fifty or something fifty. We play from a certain tee and if you can break fifty, and it got tremendous ratings, sort of like a crazy thing. It got to me he's a great guy. But a couple of days, I don't know. I know that was one of the funniest things. Course I think I did. Yeah, maybe I did, but I you know, I vial it very interestingly.

2:08:03 Speaker 2: I'm running for president of the United States. To me, it's such a big deal. It's so important. So I've gotten now the biggest deal in the free world. It's one hundred times bigger than the super Bowl. And it's one person.

2:08:15 Speaker 3: Yea.

2:08:16 Speaker 2: So you're down to two people. And we start off at nine billion. Because you have nine billion, they say in the world, who knows what that number is. But you get down to three hundred and fifty million. Sadly, we have no idea what we have in this country. But let's assume it's three twenty five, three fifty and you're down to two people. It's the biggest thing in the world. And when I heard she took off yesterday, and she took off the day before, and she's going to take off tomorrow or the next day.

2:08:44 Speaker 2: I haven't taken a day off in fifty six days. That's a long time. I haven't taken one day off. I don't want to plug up. This is too exciting. Golf is great, but this is too exciting. This is more exciting than anything you can do.

2:09:00 Speaker 3: Also, it's the home stretch.

2:09:02 Speaker 2: It's the home stretch. Who would take a day off? So we have eleven days left now, and think of it. So I think I've gone fifty four to fifty five days in a row, no days off. And I make speeches oftentimes, you know, sometimes not, but I make speeches and when you make a speech, and my speeches last a long time because of the weave, you know, I mean, I weave stories into it. And if you don't, if you just read a teleprompter, nobody's going to be very exciting. You got to weave it out, so you but you always have to, as you say, you always have to get right back to it.

2:09:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, otherwise it's not good. But the weave is very very important. Very few weavers around. But it's a big strain on your you know, it's a big it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. You got to be careful with the voice. You can lose that voice. The voice wasn't designed, I said today, So I made a big one last night. I was in Las Vegas Big One the night before in Arizona Big one. I mean they're all big. We have the There's never been anything like it in terms of crowd Never been close, Never been close.

2:10:05 Speaker 2: They say, he talks about crowd, says, you know, it's very interesting. So we get crowds that are really big. And I say, you know, I've never had a story because I don't get good press. I don't think I've had a good story in years. I really don't. I don't. I swear I don't think you were talking about it a little bit with oat Brow. Everybody loved me. I don't think I became president of the United States. I did great. The second time. I did much better. I don't want to get you in any disputes, but I won that second election so easy, and not just because.

2:10:39 Speaker 3: Let me go to that. I want to talk to you.

2:10:41 Speaker 2: But here's the thing. I did that, and now I've gotten the nomination again. And don't forget. To get these nominations, you go against very smart people. Ron De Santis was hot, got to go through him. Nikki Haley was hot, got to go through her. I went through everybody record time, right, record time. I got three non nations a row. Uh one. The first time did much better the second time. You know, I get millions of votes more of the second time, and now I'm doing it a third time, and it's an incredible thing.

2:11:13 Speaker 2: I navigate a good story, I only get bad press. Now, I will say this, it's a lot easier if you're a Democrat. If I were a Democrat, you get a lot of positive press. I would get a lot of positive Yes.

2:11:24 Speaker 3: No, it's a it's a creepy, corrupt business and the media to a large extent, acts as a propaganda arm for the democratic art.

2:11:30 Speaker 2: It's not it's not even beelievable.

2:11:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's believed. I mean it's bizarre to watch. And most you know, most young people out there are aware of it. I think most boomers still unfortunately read the newspapers and believe in CNN.

2:11:42 Speaker 2: But it's getting younger. Yes, it's getting for us for a conscheusus. And you know, you know why I consider myself the Internet.

2:11:51 Speaker 3: It's because the internet's giving people information that they're not getting from anywhere else. And they like the very Fine People hoax, the Russia Gate hoax, all these different things that they've done they tried to pin on you. That's like, it's a clear distortion of what you actually said.

2:12:05 Speaker 2: Bloodbath hooks. Yeah, I was talking about the auto industry. It's a bloodbath because Japan and China are taking our auto and I said it's a bloodbath. They said, oh, he used the word blood based.

2:12:20 Speaker 3: That's going to take it's It's a terrible But that's the problem with propagandists because they take things out of context and of ultimately, what they do is they diminish their own credibility because people don't want to listen to them anymore because they see that they've done that and they recognize what's going on and they feel insulted. They're intelligent.

2:12:37 Speaker 2: Well look at the ratings, you know, shows are like yours. So I have a son who's very smart and tall, baron right, and he knows all about you. He knows about guys I never heard of. He said, Dad, you don't know how big they are. They're big, you know. I said, who the hell is it? Like Ross did? He said, Daddy's a great guy. I mean, I said it doing. It's a whole new world out there.

2:13:03 Speaker 3: It's a different world.

2:13:04 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm on TikTok. Now, congratulations and I've done it really well. No, but you know the crazy. Have you seen the numbers of billions, like billions of hits? It's sure, TikTok's a wild application. I've gone up thirty points. A Republican is always down thirty With young people, I'm plus thirty and I'm want to talk TikTok. I think you a huge impact.

2:13:27 Speaker 3: Young people are rejecting a lot of this woke bullshit. Young people are tired of being yelled at and scolded. They're tired of these people that they think are mentally ill telling them what the moral standards their society should be today. And people are upset.

2:13:40 Speaker 2: It's a big there's a big difference now. But even in just a couple of years, I was shaking hands with people. They're young people.

2:13:47 Speaker 3: The rebels are Republicans now, they're like, you want to be a rebel, you want to be punk rock, you want to like buck the system. You're a conservative? Now, that's the that's how crazy. And then the liberals are now pro pro silencing criticism. They're they're pro censorship online, They're they're talking about regulating free speech, and they're regulating the First Amendment. It's bananas to watch.

2:14:13 Speaker 2: So they come after their political opponent. Well, dig more, guys. I always say you're not kid, but I'm not kidding. I've been investigated more than Alfonse Coppone. He was the meanest of them. Well, he'd kill you in two seconds if he didn't like you. Right, I've been under investigation more than Alfonse Copone only because it's political opponent's stuff. And I've won. I won the big case in Florida. I'm winning the other stuff you win. But you know what they did. They did something that's only done in third world countries.

2:14:42 Speaker 2: They came after that political opponent. Yes, I could have put crooked Hillary in jail.

2:14:46 Speaker 3: Well not only that, but they're not weaponizing it by saying that that's what you were going to do once you get an augusiness, ignoring what they're doing right now. It's crazy.

2:14:55 Speaker 2: I heard somebody was defending me today says, no, that's they say, that's what you're doing to him. They're going he's going to put us in jail, He's going to invest that's what you're doing to him. A lot of people say, will you do that? Will you do that? To him, if to them, if you win, you know it's the president's has tremendous power. I could have put crooked Hillary.

2:15:18 Speaker 3: I respected that you didn't because what you said was it would be bad for the country.

2:15:22 Speaker 2: No, I can't. I couldn't even imagine. You have, first of all, secretary say, but more importantly, the wife of the President of the United States of America going into jail. And if you ever saw when I'd say something about her, they'd all say, I didn't say, I never said it. They say, locker up, locker And I'd always go, take it easy, just relax, we're gonna win this thing. Take it easy, to take it easy. And I'm telling you I kept it down. Just the opposite. Now they say, oh, Trump wanted to put her and said, no, I saved her from going to jail.

2:15:51 Speaker 2: They had more stuff on her, and Comy had it because when Comy got up, and he's stupidly, because he's a stupid guy too, he goes, he's a upid son of a bitch. He got up Joe. He got up and instead of saying she's innocent of all charges, he went over each charge and each charge was a killer, and he go and as far as her doing this, she's innocent and this, and then she's only an unfair prosecutor for we go. But every time you heard these charges, they sounded so bad, they were bad. And all it was is he wanted more airtime.

2:16:29 Speaker 2: If he would have gone up and said I've thoroughly investigated Hillary Clinton and she's done nothing that we feel is wrong, it would have ended. Instead, he wanted to be up there because he's a pr hound, he's a hog. And he starts going through that, and you know what he had. They had a huge problem because FBI is great. The people there, not the top people, the people, the real people, the people that work there's like the real generals that I told you about. The defeated ISISID record time. The FBI guys are great.

2:17:01 Speaker 2: I'll bet you I'd be at ninety five percent in the FBI.

2:17:06 Speaker 3: I bet that's right underneath. Yeah.

2:17:08 Speaker 2: And so here's the thing. So he goes with Hillary and instead of just saying he goes to each charge right. And even when I was saying, man, those are bad charges.

2:17:17 Speaker 3: Sounds terrible because this is before those charges.

2:17:20 Speaker 2: Don't forget this, before I got there. Now, he was trying to protect her, but he did her a great disservice.

2:17:26 Speaker 3: Because he wanted attention. He was still So I want to talk about twenty twenty because you said over and over again that you were robbed in twenty twenty totally. What how do you think you were robbed? Everybody always cuts you off. I'm gonna do it well.

2:17:39 Speaker 2: They not only cut you well. What I'd rather do is we'll do it another time, and I would bring in papers that you would not believe, so many different papers that election was so crooked. It was the most crooked election.

2:17:53 Speaker 3: Okay, but give me some examples of how well.

2:17:55 Speaker 2: Let's start. Let's start the top and the easy ones.

2:17:57 Speaker 3: Okay.

2:17:58 Speaker 2: They were supposed to get legislative approval to do the things they did, and they didn't get it. In many cases, they didn't get it.

2:18:05 Speaker 3: What things anything, Let they made approval.

2:18:08 Speaker 2: Like for extensions of the voting, for voting earlier, for this, all different things. By law, they had to get legislative approvals. You don't have to go any further than that. If you take a look at Wisconsin, Uh, they virtually admitted that the election was rigged, robbed, and stolen. They wouldn't give access in certain areas to the ballots, because the ballots weren't signed, they weren't originals, they were We could go into this stuff. We could go into the ballots, or we could go into the overall.

2:18:42 Speaker 2: I'll give you another one.

2:18:43 Speaker 3: Are present, like do you do you think?

2:18:48 Speaker 2: Let me just give you a count. Before fifty one intelligence agents come up that the laptop was from Russia. It turned out to be totally false.

2:19:01 Speaker 3: Former intelligence agents, right, they.

2:19:03 Speaker 2: Say that made I don't believe it's this much. But it doesn't matter. I won by like I lost by like I did list But they say I lost Joe. They say I lost by twenty two thousand votes. That's like one tenth of one percent less than that. It's a tiny little thing, twenty two thousand votes spread over that's spread over this period. So fifty one intelligence agents lied. They lied, they lied. They knew it was it was Hunters, it was from his bed, it was Hunter's laptop. They said it was created by Russia.

2:19:38 Speaker 2: Russia, Russia. It was the Russia hox. The Russia hoax was a big hoax. It was all a big hoax. So well, but that's a big example. They say it made a seventeen point difference. That's a big example, but that's only one. And you could go into the ballots where they wouldn't give you access to the ballots. You could go into the ballot harvest thing. You could go into five hundred million dollars for the lock boxes.

2:20:05 Speaker 3: But just in terms of narrative, So there's two things, right, there's the Russia hoax. There's the collusion with Russia that was never proven.

2:20:11 Speaker 2: Right, that's what it's proven. It didn't happen, right, right.

2:20:14 Speaker 3: But they they talked about it on two and a half years to prove. But not only that, but it was a constant narrative on television. So that's a constant narrative that gets into people's minds, especially low information people that just watch the news, that you're in collusion with Russia. So that's one. So that changes the narrative. And then you have the fifty one former intelligence agents that work with the original Twitter and get them to remove links. You can't share it on DMS, you cannot share that story.

2:20:41 Speaker 3: They swept that story because they said it was Russian disinformation even though they knew it was not. So that's two examples that are real examples. Now, anyone who considers themselves a legitimate objective observer of American politics, if you really want the best person to win, you would want people to not lie. And the only reason why they got away with this lie was because they continually labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler. They kept saying, you're going to be a dictator, ignoring the fact that you weren't a dictator for the four years where you're actually the president.

2:21:18 Speaker 2: I was actually the opposite of a dictator. I was a very straight guy. But look those three things. You take those three things, each one of them by themselves be cause, is the result to be different? It does, And then you can go into a hundred other things. There's so many. We can't have corrupt elections, and we can't have open borders. We need we need. You need to have a country, You need borders, you need fair elections. And I'll tell you the other thing you need is you need a free and fair press.

2:21:46 Speaker 2: One of the things I like about doing a show like this, can you imagine Kamala doing this show. She could imagine saying the floor.

2:21:54 Speaker 3: She was supposed to do it, and she might steal us it, and I hope she does. I will talk to her like a human being. I would try to.

2:22:01 Speaker 2: Interview with you. I hope she does, because it would be a mess. She'd be laying on the floor, you'd be saying in the medics.

2:22:10 Speaker 3: I think we'd have a fine conversation. I think i'd be able to talk to her. I wouldn't try to interview her. I just try to have a conversation with her and hopefully get to know her as a human being. That was my goal having her on, trying to get her to express herself, just as I don't know if these I don't think these formats are good. I don't think that two people. First of all, I hate the idea of the presidential debates because I hate the idea of a time limitation on complex ideas. Also, you have to break.

2:22:34 Speaker 2: I think you have to have the debates, still right, But.

2:22:36 Speaker 3: The way they do the debates, I think is the wrong way to do it. I think they should have a conversation. I think you and Kamala, you sit across the table with no one in the room but the two of you. Of Course you're not going to shout each other. Of course you're not.

2:22:50 Speaker 2: Going to get so, I mean it may get they used to do it.

2:22:53 Speaker 3: It wouldn't, but that would be the way to do it, and you used to do it that way. They old cameras on you with no no one interfew with pressed with checking whether or not it's factual, especially when it's biased, because they checked you all those times and they didn't check her with clearly things that were inaccurate. Right, So have two people just have a conversation with us without a time constraint. And also this ideal they caught off the microphone or no crowd, no crowd crazy too, because you're good at working the crowd.

2:23:23 Speaker 2: I would rather have a c of course, I would rather, but I had no so they gave me an alternative. I don't think you want a debate.

2:23:30 Speaker 3: Why did they want no crowd because I think.

2:23:32 Speaker 2: They thought I wasn't gonna accept it. So I believe what they wanted to do is have me not accept So they gave me a deal I couldn't refuse, and I said, I'll do it. Okay, it's like the mob, right, I'll take it. So they came to me, they said, we'll debate Joe Biden. You know the thing got tremendous ratings too. That was crazy. But will debate Joe Biden. But you can't have a crowd. They also wanted sitting down. I said, that's the only thing. I said, Look, you got to you got to stand up. You can't really sit down, you know in the old days they did sit down a little.

2:24:03 Speaker 3: Bit, but he gets tired.

2:24:05 Speaker 2: You got to stand up. And they agreed to it. It was a very tough thing. It almost killed it. They wanted to they wanted to have like desks. We said. I said, I think we should stand up. And that was the only thing I asked for. I said, we got to stand up. I thought it looked bad for like the public. But they said, no crowd and cut off the mic, and I said, I can live with it. I mean I could live with it. And they thought I was going to reject it, and then they would say he didn't want to debate sleepy Joe, right, that's what they thought.

2:24:36 Speaker 2: It was.

2:24:36 Speaker 3: Well, they tried to say that with you and Kamalo as well. They tried to say that you didn't want to debate her as well.

2:24:40 Speaker 2: No, by the way, with her number one, I'm leading number two, you know. I didn't. They also said it with the primary, so I had like ten twelve guys right in the prime and no stupid guys, I mean the governors and they senator. They're not stupid people. Some are stupid, but not all of them. And oh, my guy said you have to be in the debate, and I said, why, I'm leading by seventy four points the closest guy to me, I'm like sixty points seventy points higher. Why would I stand there like an idiot for two hours and let every one of them scream at me I'm going to be the focus.

2:25:15 Speaker 2: And I said, I'm not debating. And it was a very smart thing, because you know it was they just killed themselves.

2:25:20 Speaker 3: Republican primer.

2:25:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Republican primers with I like debating. I think debate. I think you have to debate, but I like I like debating, like the Rosie O'donnald debate. I like debating when you have a great Remember the making crazy thing, Megan, that was a hell of a question. Man If I didn't come up with that answer, Well, what it was is you know that was we had twenty eight thousand people. That was the Cleveland Arena where the Cavaliers played Lebron James. I'm not a big fan of Lebron James, but he is a good basketball player.

2:25:53 Speaker 2: But you know, that was the And when I said that, the place went crazy and she it's funny talking. No, she had like ten of.

2:26:01 Speaker 3: The Yeah, well, Megan said, you said it to other people and you admitted you did. But it was funny. It was it was a comedic timing moment. It was fun that's what they wanted.

2:26:09 Speaker 2: It was lucky I did it because she was drowned. Oh she wasn't finn that question. But she kept talking, but you couldn't hear. To this day, they don't know what she said. But it wasn't buzz it so anyway.

2:26:20 Speaker 3: But we had a good times comedic timing and that's the reason why to have a debate, a debate in front of a large audience. And then they got that was great, very fun very funny stuff. That Tim Wall stuff was very funny. It's funny.

2:26:34 Speaker 2: That's a real beat.

2:26:35 Speaker 3: That's a crazy one. She said that she had picked him. And this one of the questions I want to ask her when she was sleep deprived. She said she was suffering from sleep deprivation when she picked him, which is just like I was, maybe take a nap.

2:26:48 Speaker 2: So I was, okay, look, let's see how it all turns out. I think we're gonna win. I think we're way ahead. Now, I think we're way ahead. But but can I believe I think they're gonna look at two things. They're going to say they should have had a primary, even though it was a short primary. They shouldn't have picked her. And then she's going to say I shouldn't have picked this guy.

2:27:07 Speaker 3: She shouldn't have picked that car, that guy, the lying about Teneman Square, everything at that. Yeah, the military record assistant, she loved him, little thing.

2:27:16 Speaker 2: So I did McDonald's last week. I saw that and I actually got a call from your friends at Google from Sundar. That's pretty good, right, He said, this is the biggest thing we've had in years.

2:27:28 Speaker 3: They had McDonald's at McDonald's. Did you know that? It was one of the funny who's.

2:27:33 Speaker 2: A great guy by the way, but he said, this McDonald's thing. I want to tell you, it's one of the biggest things we've ever had on Google. It just hit But the reason I did, and I actually, you know, you never know about this stuff. I thought it was a throwaway. I didn't think our conversations throw away, but I thought that was. I thought I'd walk in and that was only to highlight the fact. And I have a friend he owns like fifty six of these McDonald's and he said, do you want to use one? I said, yeah, I love it.

2:27:57 Speaker 2: So we went there and the crowd was you know, they had twenty eight thousand people sit around the whole thing. Did you see the outside? It was crazy. The cars couldn't get through. Secret service was not exactly thrilled. I had no idea what the hell, But I went into the place and I did the French for I think, and it just hit. But that's like in life sometimes you do. I thought it was like a quick throw away. We're gonna be there for fifteen minutes, and I said, I've worked here for fifteen minutes, which is fifteen minutes more than she worked here.

2:28:26 Speaker 2: She lied about McDonald's. And you know that's proven that she never well, McDonald's has no information, she has no information, there's nobody. The manager said she never worked there. You know it was a certain place, and he said, they never know. She lied she's a liar. You know what they do. They'll say, like or any one of the questions, take any they'll say, it's the exact opposite of what I say. IVF. He's against IVF fertilization, right, he's And it's the exact opposite I was. I came out immediately strongly, and they do ads.

2:29:03 Speaker 2: I'm against it. It's wrong on every single topic. And you know, she changed policies on fifteen. I've never seen a guy change, anybody change on more than one. You know, you can maybe get away with one her whole life, fracking every single thing that she was for the confiscation of gun she wants to CONFI now she's saying everybody should have a gun. In fact, we're going to get her a Maga cap. I'm going to send her a Maga cap. But she's changed, and I don't think people are buying it. I don't think people are buying it.

2:29:34 Speaker 3: Well, some people are buying it because they want to buy it because it's blue. No matter who there's there's a certain percentage of our population that's going to vote Democrat, no matter what.

2:29:42 Speaker 2: That's true.

2:29:43 Speaker 3: They're pressured. There's their their community, their ideology. It's you know, I right, is evil.

2:29:48 Speaker 2: I don't understand why. Okay, you have a wall or you have a you know, I built five hundred and seventy miles a wall. Everyone said, I built a lot of wool, exactly the stuff, But you have a border. What I don't understand is who would want people to come into our country from places unknown? Like sometimes they'll say about a fighter from parts unknown? Right, remember Haystex and from parts parts the oldest those are the that's even before you. But who would want people to come in pouring into our country?

2:30:23 Speaker 2: We don't know anything about it.

2:30:26 Speaker 3: But that's I want to ask you this. Why do you think they're doing that? I think because do you think they're trying to buy votes? Do you think they're just labor?

2:30:34 Speaker 2: Like?

2:30:34 Speaker 3: What is?

2:30:34 Speaker 2: What's there's a couple of theories. They hate our country, they're stupid, or they want to buy votes. It's one of those three things. Yeah, they want it now. They are trying to get people registered who you know, don't even know what the country.

2:30:46 Speaker 3: And they're trying to give people amnesty. People that live here, they're trying to give them.

2:30:50 Speaker 2: They want to give them citizenship or they want to, well, how about what do you.

2:30:53 Speaker 3: Think about the amount of money that they've given them when they've come here, the food stamps, the benefits that even our poor people aren't getting two.

2:30:59 Speaker 2: Hundred billion dollars And that's a way low number. That's a way low. You know. It's interesting. New York has always been like, you know, sort of like always looking for money. They've spent one hundred billion dollars on this stuff. I don't know where they and they're not getting the money from the federal government. It's crazy. And because the mayor came out and said we can't.

2:31:22 Speaker 3: Live like this, they investigated him.

2:31:25 Speaker 2: He gets it, by the way I called it, I said, he just got himself and dit it. This group is stupid, but they're vicious. They're stupid people, but they're vicious people.

2:31:35 Speaker 3: Twenty elections. You say, you have all this evidence that it was rigged. Why haven't you put this evidence in a consumed form? And what?

2:31:45 Speaker 2: Oh? I did I have? I have books on it, and by the way, books have been written on it. We have an author named Hemingway who is a great writer. She wrote a book on it. But many books have been written on it. There are books that are are. What's happened is judges don't want to touch it. They would say you don't have standing. They didn't rule in the merits they ruled the merits never got there. The judges didn't have what it took to turn over at all.

2:32:17 Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about the potential vulnerabilities for elections an election fraud. One of them is mail in ballots. The other one is the if someone could break into voting machines, if someone.

2:32:29 Speaker 2: Can hack tho machines.

2:32:30 Speaker 3: Those are two huge ones.

2:32:32 Speaker 2: So I think he said it public guy. I hope he did, because I wouldn't want to be the winner. But he's a really smart guy. And he's a very good guy with computers. Right, you'd say he's one of the smartest people a lot, anybody that can land that twenty story building and perfect.

2:32:49 Speaker 3: And while he's doing starlink, while he's talking to Twitter, and then he agrees to starlink and tweets one hundred times a day.

2:32:56 Speaker 2: He's an amazing guy. He said to me that unless you have paper ballots, it can never be an honest election. That's a big statement, it's a big streatment. We should go to paper ballots. You know France did. They went the mail in voting and it was all messed up. We can the amazing thing with the machines. So we have the machines. They cost ten times where paper ballot would cost eight percent, And they make paper ballots. They're all water marked and everything else, very sophisticated. But if you take a look paper ballots, eight percent the cost and you're done by nine o'clock in the evening.

2:33:33 Speaker 2: Right now, we have the sophisticated machine. It goes up to heaven, it goes all over the place and down and around, and they say we'll need two weeks to figure out who to hell won the election.

2:33:42 Speaker 3: Do you think that's by design?

2:33:44 Speaker 2: Yeah? I do think I think it's very crooked. That's my opinion.

2:33:47 Speaker 3: You're allowed to have an opinion. What could let's say you win in November. What can be done to mitigate these problems? What could be done at a you know, at the level that the president has power.

2:34:00 Speaker 2: Well, if I win, that'll be this will be my last election. But I think I owe it to the country. Yeah, but I think I owe it to the country. We have to have fair elections.

2:34:09 Speaker 3: So how can you fix that?

2:34:10 Speaker 2: You know, Jimmy Carter was in charge of a commission, you know that many years ago, and they put him in Scoop Jacks and various senators, you know, distinguished people that will retire, and they came up with a report. And the report's primary finding was you cannot have mail in ballots because if it's a mail in ballot. You know, I went to the voting booth the last time, whatever it was, and I walked in in Palm Beach and I walk in and they know me. They said, mister President, could I see your identity?

2:34:41 Speaker 2: Guess boom, here's this, here's that, everything, And then you sit and they watch you sign and you really there's not a lot you can do. I mean, if you want it to be dishonest, it's sort of beautiful if instead of that, I'm going to send them a ballot. Right, it has to go through the Postal services, has to go through a lot of people. They mail you houses that you know, the house was demolished and the people have left and it's so bad. The one thing with Jimmy Carter, he had a very strong commission.

2:35:13 Speaker 2: Who's no mail in bouts And we're the only one that does elections this way anymore. They've gotten away from it.

2:35:19 Speaker 3: And this is a it ticked up in a big way after COVID. It used to be like soldiers serving over seas.

2:35:24 Speaker 2: They used COVID to cheat.

2:35:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, well they used COVID to certainly push this mail in bollot another thing.

2:35:29 Speaker 2: That's but they used COVID to cheat. And the last election was a little bit of a You couldn't even get security guys, big strong guys to watch, you know what, you'd call them, they call them in this issue. They were afraid to go out. You know, we had we were in the middle of COVID. We were in the middle of COVID, right smack in the middle, and they didn't want to die, you know, they didn't want to catch it. It was like, in a way, it was it was like a ghost town and the whole thing. But mail in ballots are a bad thing bad.

2:36:02 Speaker 3: That certainly is a problem. Mal mail in ballots are problems A voter idea, how about are ID is the most bizarre argument that I've never seen anybody articulate in a way that's convincing, because I don't cheap voter. Well, it doesn't make sense any other way. I've tried to straw man it or I tried to steal man it. Rather, I've tried to like look at it from a position like why would you not want people to have ID? And a lot of the ideas are just ridiculous, ID to get a driver's life.

2:36:32 Speaker 2: But here's now the next step. Gavin Nuskemb one of the worst governors in the world. And I used to frankly, I used to get along, but I don't get along with him because he's just too you know, it's just a whole con job. But Gavin Nuskemb the other day signed a bill that you are not allowed to ask a person even ask them whether or not they have a voter ID.

2:36:54 Speaker 3: Now, what could be a charitable reason? Why any because they want to achieve that would be the only thing that makes.

2:37:00 Speaker 2: That's taken it to the next level right now, you know, you have ID. The Democrat National Convention when they had it the last time I saw, they had a sign like a billboard or the name of the person, where they live, how they live, who they held their boyfriends, every single it was and a big picture. That's for there. They have an idea, a big idea. It was hanging like you were a prisoner. They had these massive cards everything. And yet when it comes to the vote, in theory, the most important thing we do.

2:37:32 Speaker 2: Okay, when you go to a grocery store, you give ID. But for a vote, it's supposed to be a sacred thing, and it should be a sacred thing. No voter ID because they want to cheat.

2:37:43 Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't make sense in any other way. I've tried to look at it, no other way. There's no argument that anybody's presented that makes any sense.

2:37:51 Speaker 2: Why, you know, the funny thing, Joe, the Democrats, the people, they all think you should have it. In other words, you should have Yeah, if you go to the people, Missus Schwartz, Missus Smith, mister and missus Jones, sure, they say, of course you are Democrats, they say yes. It's the politicians that don't want it, like Schumer and these guys. They don't want it because they want to be able to cheat, because you know what if they didn't have it, Okay, who is going to vote for somebody that wants open borders.

2:38:18 Speaker 2: Who's going to vote for somebody that wants to have men playing in women's sports? You know, I have never had one person come up to me and say, President, you got to do something to allow men to play in women's sports. Have you ever, just like I've never been called by apolster. I told you by little theory and polsters. Okay, I'm getting myself in trouble with some of these things, but I don't really care. Nobody's ever come up to me and said, we want to have men play in women's sports. And you know, I had a funny thing at a property own I own in California.

2:38:54 Speaker 2: I have a woman who's a very good athlete and she works there as a manager. And Brian Erlacker, the big Chicago Bears, great player, you know, ten time all so I guess Hall of Fame, a great guy, big strong guy, and she said, oh, he's one of my favorite athletes. Can I have a picture? And I took a picture and I said it and I noticed she was the size of his leg. His leg was bigger than she was, And I put it out, should men play in women's But the whole it is just so ridiculous.

2:39:23 Speaker 3: What's one of the most bizarre and polarizing ideas that's promoted by the.

2:39:27 Speaker 2: Lawe who wants it now. Unless you're gonna cheat in elections, you're never gonna get Nobody wants it. I don't think anybody wants it. I've never I've been told everything you know you can. Some people want this. I don't know of anybody that wants open borders. Nobody's ever come up to me and say, President, you got to let the world come into our country right now. If they won, so they have twenty one million, I think it's much harder. Not because you have got aways, you know, got aways where they just walk in they work it.

2:39:53 Speaker 2: But and the other thing you have is human traffickers. You have traffickers and the traffic and women and they're going wild. Now we used to work.

2:40:01 Speaker 3: You know.

2:40:02 Speaker 2: You have to look the trunk of cars. Can you believe it? They put women in trunks. That put three women in a trunk. These people are savages. They're horrible, the worst people. And they're making the kind of money they make on drugs, they're almost making on trafficking now. And the thing that's made it hot is the Internet. That's what you think of it almost as an ancient thing, but it's the internet. But who would want to have these things? Who would want to have. There's so many the transgender operations where they're allowed to take your child when he goes to school and turn him into a male to a female without parental consent.

2:40:38 Speaker 2: Who wants this? Does anybody want this? I've never heard of anyone. And I can go into ten different things. The only way they get them is by no voter idea. You can't have voter id. They don't want any They want to cheat. There's only one reason, because the voter ID is so basic. It's the most basic.

2:40:59 Speaker 3: Thing, very basic.

2:41:00 Speaker 2: Who would want this? They want it so they can cheat because their policies are no good. I'll tell you they're very smart when it comes to that. They're very smart, although they're not smart in terms of politics in a way, because what do they have that people want? They really don't have. They give away a lot of healthcare, a lot of stuff, but for the most part, their policies are terrible. Their policy are on military. She's running on a taxik. She's going to raise your taxes. You got to hear this.

2:41:28 Speaker 2: We are going to raise your taxes and the peoples lap. But who is going to win with her? All my life, I grew up with politicians lower taxes. She's politic in that we are going to raise your taxes.

2:41:43 Speaker 3: Well, they want to raise the ideas. They want to raise the taxes to the highest urn.

2:41:47 Speaker 2: I know, but it really doesn't.

2:41:49 Speaker 3: Billionaires are not paying their fair share.

2:41:51 Speaker 2: But it doesn't work that way.

2:41:52 Speaker 3: Well, it's a narrative, right, and it's a narrative that appeals to people that are not doing well. And like, yeah, our problems are that these rich people are not paying taxes.

2:42:00 Speaker 2: Well, the problems are the rich people are going to leave and they're going to close up their companies, and then the other people aren't going to have jobs. You know, that's what happens.

2:42:06 Speaker 3: It does happen in other countries.

2:42:08 Speaker 2: But the whole because you brought it up, I'll tell you what we just He's doing a very good job in Virginia, Glenn Younkin. I don't know if you like him not Like I don't know, but you don't. I'm the governor of Virginia. So we have a case where they found thousands of illegal ballots. A judge just ruled that they have to be able to vote. Just happened today. Just before I walked in here, I heard a judge just ruled that you have to keep those people in. They're illegal. They're illegal votes. Now I think they'll be overturned at the next court.

2:42:42 Speaker 2: One thing I found, because I had a couple of things, that they get overturned a little bit, you know, the system. Because the system, you have to hope that the appellate judges are honest. Otherwise we don't have a country anymore. Very important, but the whole thing with illegal ballots has got to be looked at. You got to have you have to have voter ID, and you have to have additional idea. You have to have an idea that shows that you're a citizen of the country. They don't want that either.

2:43:08 Speaker 3: I agree. One of the things that I wanted to talk to you about is the JFK files, And one of the things that you said was that if they showed you what they showed me, this is your quote, you wouldn't want people to know it either.

2:43:24 Speaker 2: So I opened them up. Partially, I was met with from good people. I mean, you know, look, I mean good people. People that were well meeting. Mike Pompeo was one of them. He's a good person. They called me, they said, Sarah would rather have you not after and I did open him, but I was asked by some people not to open them. There's a Martin Luther King file too, by the way, that they'd like to see. I don't know if you know, but there is that, but JFK in particular, So they called me. A lot of good people called me people that I you know that you would find reasonable people, and they asked me not to do it.

2:44:07 Speaker 2: So I said, well, we'll close it for another time, but if I went, I'm going to open them up. I'm just going to open enough at times addresses people that are still living. There are people that are affected, and there could be some national security reason that for you know that I don't have to necessarily know about. But some very good, talented people asked me not to do it. I opened it up, and then they said, would it be possible for us to do that a different day?

2:44:38 Speaker 3: How much did you read into.

2:44:44 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be just fine to open it. Let me put it that way. I think it's fine. It's going to be time. It's a cleansing, you know, it's really a cleansing. So I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office.

2:44:55 Speaker 3: Well, the thing when people look at it from the outside and you sort of imagine what could be a reason why they would not release those files, it would be there's people that were implicated assassination.

2:45:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when they're living people, you generally tend not to want to do it. When people are still living.

2:45:16 Speaker 3: Living people that formerly work for the government, for.

2:45:18 Speaker 2: The government, and living people that were somehow involved in it, and you tend not to do that. But it's time to open them. I can't tell you whether or not they're going to find anything of interest. And I did partially open I think I've opened fifty percent, but I was asked not to do it, and I thought that was a reasonable list. But now I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it very soon. There's a lot of interest in it.

2:45:42 Speaker 3: One of the things that there's a lot.

2:45:43 Speaker 2: Of interest in the people coming from space. You know, yes, and I know you're interested.

2:45:49 Speaker 3: Oh, very interested in that. How much do they tell you about that?

2:45:51 Speaker 2: A lot?

2:45:52 Speaker 3: Really? Yeah, Well they tell you how much can you tell you?

2:45:55 Speaker 1: So?

2:45:56 Speaker 3: How's that work is? It's like super top secret? Tell me?

2:45:59 Speaker 2: Well, based on Biden I can say whatever the hell I want right now. But I interviewed a few people. It's never been my thing. I have to be honest. I have never been a believer. I have people that Area fifty one or whatever it is. I think it's a number one tourist attraction in the whole country or something. Area fifty one. Let's fat. Do you know that right? Sure?

2:46:17 Speaker 3: I know what it is, so anyway.

2:46:19 Speaker 2: But it's a big tourist. So I interviewed jet pilots that say they saw something. If you saw them, you'd love to have them. Miss.

2:46:30 Speaker 3: I've had a couple in here. Commander David Fraver, Yeah, I had him and who had that sighting in two thousand and four, very very compelling with visuals, video evidence, radar evidence.

2:46:40 Speaker 2: I don't believe his name. But I interviewed jet pilots that were solid people, perfect, I mean, great pilots, great everything, And they said, we saw things, sir, that we're very strange, like a round ball. But it wasn't a cop or a media. It was something. And it was going four times faster than an F twenty two, which is a very fast plant, you know, and it was around which is an in theory of great shape.

2:47:13 Speaker 3: So when you were talking to these people, was this something that you were compelled to have conversations about. Was this your personal interest a little bit.

2:47:22 Speaker 2: It's not a great interest for me, but it's a little interest. I get that question as much as almost any question. Do you think that we have aliens coming, you know, flying around or whatever?

2:47:32 Speaker 3: What? Do you think?

2:47:35 Speaker 2: There's no reason not to I mean, there's no reason not to think that Mars and all these planets don't have life, you know, because.

2:47:42 Speaker 3: Well Mars, we've had probes there and rovers and I don't think there's any life there.

2:47:46 Speaker 2: Well, maybe it's life that we don't know about.

2:47:47 Speaker 3: Well, maybe there was a life there at one point in time. This is a speculation about Mars. That Mars had an atmosphere at one point in time, a long time ago that could support life. It also had large bodies of water. But we've had no evidence of even bacterial life that exists on Mars. But the universe has been a big thing for me.

2:48:05 Speaker 2: I mean, when I looked at what China did to this admit they would have never done it with me. Where they put the balloon up, and a lot of people that and a lot of people thought for a little while that that was one of these things.

2:48:15 Speaker 3: So that's a lot of the speculation too, that some of these drones that hover over battleships, that these are Chinese drones, and that they're not UFOs.

2:48:22 Speaker 2: They could be also, there's some super sufficient I did interview let's say, three or four guys that and without tremendous interest. If you had them, as I said, you'd love to have me as your children. Solid beautiful people. They said, sir, there's something there. You know, they've there's something.

2:48:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've talked to quite.

2:48:45 Speaker 2: A few of about conspiracy guys.

2:48:47 Speaker 3: Well, I mean the just the Commander David Fraver thing in two thousand and four off the coast of San Diego. They clocked that thing going from fifty thousand feet above sea level to fifty in a second. They don't know what it is.

2:48:57 Speaker 2: It's stuff to be.

2:48:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, they saw some thing in the water. It was hovering over that something that was making a disturbance in the water. They got video evidence of this thing. Two different fighter jets with pilots in them saw it. There's you know, visual evidence, photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence, whatever the hell it is. It moves in a way that would turn a human being in a jello app you're inside of it, the g force, no one would survive. What is that? And we don't It doesn't have a heating his signature.

2:49:25 Speaker 3: They don't know what their propulsion system was.

2:49:28 Speaker 2: But when you fly in some of these jets, these pilots have to be in great shape.

2:49:34 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I flew with the Blue Angels once to fly and those are older machines and they're crazy.

2:49:41 Speaker 2: When you when you fly in somebody's things, Oh my god, yeah, yeah, I can imagine. You got to be special.

2:49:46 Speaker 3: But these things that these people are incounting are far superior to what we know of. Is it possible that there's some military or government program that you weren't that they didn't tell you about.

2:50:00 Speaker 2: I think I had a great relationship with the military basically, but you know, I didn't like certain people. I would have gotten them out if I thought if I were if the election was different, I would have fired, you know, all of them quickly, something most of them I did for her. Biden should have fired every military person involved with Afghanistan. He should have had a lot of fiaries. You know, if you look at him, he told Israel not to do anything. At least Israel is not going to look in at a bomb the way they would have been.

2:50:27 Speaker 2: Think if they listened to Biden, they'd be waiting for a bomb to drop on their head. Right now, He's been wrong about so much. I guess you'd have to say that she's been wrong too, because you know, she always said they made the decision together, but Israel didn't follow his advice. And I think it was a very you know, it's a very The Middle East is rapidly changing. You know, there are prophets to say the world will come to an end in the Middle East. You know that. And we have weapons to that are so scary when you look I rebuilt them all.

2:51:04 Speaker 2: And when you look at the weapons we have today, the biggest threat we have in the world today is nuclear weapons. And we have other weapons too that are devastated, but the nuclear weapons the biggest threat we have in the world today. And that's what you I was talking about de escalation with both China and Russia. I'm telling you we were going to de escalate, They were going to de escalate. You got to be careful. We are a little tricky playing with them because they say we're going to do it and they don't do it.

2:51:33 Speaker 2: Maybe, but they understood the curse too. It's a curse. It's China's way behind us, but they'll catch us within five years.

2:51:40 Speaker 3: So let's imagine. Let's let's say you win in November. What do you do differently and how do you change this course that it seems we are on for World War three? How do you get us out of Ukraine? How do you stop what's going on in the Middle East? How do you put a stop to us?

2:51:56 Speaker 2: Well, it's a very to me. It's an easy question because I think I can do it easily. But it's a complex question in the sense that the times change. Every day changes who's winning, who's not winning. I mean, Rush is a war machine, whether you like it or not, it just grinds along, grinds along. You speak to people like Victor Roban, you'll tell you it's just a big fat war machine. And that's what's happening. You look at what's happened to Ukraine. If I were there, it would have never happened.

2:52:28 Speaker 3: But what could you do if you get in an office right now, could you do now.

2:52:33 Speaker 2: Right now, you would get both of them. I know both very well, and again I cannot. I do not want to tell you, you know, for the purpose of looking smart to five people that you know that say, oh he was great, because if I told you exactly what I do, I could I could never make the deal. All I can tell you is that I would meet with Putin, and I would meet with him, and I know exactly what I'd say to each one of them, and I believe that as president elect, I would get that war stopped and stopped fast.

2:53:03 Speaker 2: You know, we have tremendous power in the United States if you know how to use the power. I stopped other wars just by the use of tariffs. I got macrone of France. Good guys like a friend of mine, but he's a wise guy, and he's a person that likes France. Said he was going to tax our companies. I say, and I said, all the smartest guys I sent minution, they all failed me, and I said, I'll do it myself. And I called them. I said, Emmanuel, you're taxing American companies. We're not going to allow you to do that.

2:53:34 Speaker 2: Oh Donald, I cannot do it. Do not think I could do. It's already been passed. I said, Emmanuel, if you do that, I'm going to put one hundred percent tariff when your wines and champagnes are coming to the United States, and you're going to regret that you ever did it. He said, Donald, please, that's not fair. Anyway. Within about two minutes, he dropped the whole thing, and it was massive amounts of money against American companies. I have to protect American countries.

2:53:58 Speaker 3: So why doesn't the body man?

2:54:00 Speaker 2: Because they're incompetent. They don't know how to talk. Look, they met in Alaska with the Chinese, and the Chinese lectured them about how badly we treat people. Right, Okay, let me think of it. You remember that, it was like they didn't talk to me that way. They respected me, they respected our country. They don't respect our country. They don't respect Biden. They don't respect her. They're dreaming about her because she's in competent. She's not a smart person. Look, she can't put two sentences together.

2:54:37 Speaker 2: She talks. I watch her two nights. I watched her last night too. It was the same thing. She's not a smart person. These guys are very smart and they're very street wise, and they're very tricky and evil and dangerous. And if she becomes the president of the United States, which I can't believe can happen, I don't think this country is going to make it. I don't think we'll ever be I think just really bad things will happen to our country. And you know what, I look at the outside forces and I say they can all be handled because we have a pot of gold.

2:55:11 Speaker 2: But we're not going to have that pot of gold to play with anymore. You know, it's a great negotiating thing. I told you I knocked out this massive car company going to take all of our car business from Detroit. I knocked it out just by my rhetoric. Rhetorically, I said, they'll never sell a car in here. I'll put tariffs. I don't care they are two thousand percent. They're never going to build that plant in Is.

2:55:34 Speaker 3: It possible to apply that same thing to the electronics that we use. One of the things that disturbs me greatly is that all of our phones are made overseas, and then some of our phones are made in places, yes, and the chips and some of our phones are made in places like Fox con where they have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roof because they have so many suicides. Like, wouldn't it be better to have an American made iPhone where you know, people are paid good wages, they have health insurance, they're taking care of they can live a good life where you're not buying a piece of electronics that's cheaper because someone has to suffer horrible in a horrible way.

2:56:08 Speaker 3: That's not even legal in the United States. It's not even legal to have them work that way in the United States. So they get these people to build them overseas.

2:56:15 Speaker 2: You do it. But let me just say that chip deals so bad. We put up billions of dollars for rich companies to come and borrow the money and build chip companies here, and they're not going to give us the good companies anyway. All you had to do is charge them tariffs. If you would have put a tariff on the chips coming in, you would have been able to just like the auto companies, no different, more sophisticated, but no different. You know, Taiwan, they stole our chip business. Okay, they want us to protect and they want protection.

2:56:47 Speaker 2: They don't pay us money for the protection. You know, the mob makes you pay money, right, but with these countries that we protect. I got hundreds of billions of dollars from NATO countries that were never paying us. And my biggest fan of Stoltenberg, who just left us the director general as a secretary general. Good guy, he said. Bush came, he made a speech. Obama came, he made a speech. Trump came. He said, you guys aren't paying. You got to pay. And they said, well, you protect us from Russia if we don't.

2:57:18 Speaker 2: I said, no, you got to pay. If you don't pay, billions of dollars came in to NATO. When I see us paying a lot of money to have people build chip that's not the way. You didn't have to put up ten cents. You could have done it with a series of tariffs. In other words, you tariff it's so high that they will come and build. They have chip companies for nothing. In other words, Joe, you put a big tariff on the chips coming in. I say, you don't have to pay the tariff. All you have to do is build your plant in the United States.

2:57:48 Speaker 2: We didn't have to give them the money to build a plant Besides that, they're very rich companies. These chip companies they stole. They stole ninety five percent of our business. It's in Taiwan right now. They do a great job, but that's only because we have stupid politicians. We lost the chip business and now we think we're going to pay. You can't build it that way. You have to make them spend their money in the United States. And those plans would open up all over and they'll fund them. We don't have to put up ten cents.

2:58:17 Speaker 2: And I am in the process of making a huge speech. It about a little while and you and how long have we been talking?

2:58:24 Speaker 3: Let's go three hours?

2:58:25 Speaker 2: I got to make a speech. But we'll do it again. I want to do it again with you. If you are something. They said, I said, how long will this last? Anywhere from an hour to three or four?

2:58:35 Speaker 3: How long? Jamie? Three hours?

2:58:38 Speaker 2: Good, Well, we'll do it again. I thought it was great. I think it's well. You are a fascinating guy, and you've done a great job. Thank you, fan, and thank you very much. It's been an honor.

2:58:48 Speaker 3: And I'm going to make.

2:58:50 Speaker 2: A great speech and I'm gonna say and if I'm a little off tonight, I'm going to blame you. I spoke to this guy for three hours. Anyway, it's a great honor to

2:58:59 Speaker 3: Be thank you, thank you, thank you, luck to you, thank you very thank you, all right, from everybody,