DONN CLARIUS- RET. AIR FORCE-Tired Of Lying to the Public about UFOS & Aliens.

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0:49 Guys, we hope to hear from you soon. If you want to reach out to the show, feel free to DM me on Twitter, on Facebook, Instagram, or contact me at tie at the GWW dot com One a man, I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this work. And yet I ask you, it's not an alien force already amongst We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsolved by the military industrial contact potential, or the disastrous rise or misplaced power exists and will persist now I am become the player world.

2:07 In my association with Project Group, they definitely withheld information.

2:17 We have a look on going again. You shall be twere. We're firm the testimony. We're about to give us the truth, the whole truth and the truth. So help you God. Do you believe that our government is in possession? Communities? Absolutely? Welcome back everybody too, Season two of Total Disclosure. We're here to kick it off with someone that I recently have just opened a dialogue with, Don Clarius. But we're going to get so much further into it. Don is an investigative reporter, UH, a video producer.

3:03 He is a retired UH news reporter and anchor, and he was also a spokesperson UH for the Air Force UH while in reserves. So UH with that being said, we are going to add in uh mister Don Clarius. Uh. Don, it is absolutely wonderful to have you here today. That video lit your your your sighting and you know your your UH experience and relating it to other cases. I really like how you did that, and I think it gave the audience or will give the audience a real uh taste as to what we're about to discuss, and that is you know, your your career and what you went through and why you are a part of this community.

3:52 So I would just like to begin. Maybe you can give us a bit about your background with the Air Force and being a spokesperson and what that entails. Laid in life to become an officer was over thirty, and so I was exposed to things that made me ashamed to be an American.

4:20 I was trained in disinformation. Disinformation is deliberate deception. Misinformation is just being misinformed. But I was I'm also a coward and I didn't want to face court martial, so I went along with the program. But I always felt tremendous guilt and I still cannot talk about the things that I did right. And I've had you know, OSI Agent Richard Dodie on the show, and

4:53 it sounds like where it sounds like a similar scenario where it's you were you had to do the job that you were told to do and if you didn't you would face severe, severe repercussions. Not so what other choice do you have? And why I just you know, I really like the Air Force background from you, because they the Air Force in general they are the quietest when it comes to the UAP topic. Why Why is that so? The Navy's been very open. Other agencies, even border patrol as released videos and stuff.

5:36 Why is the Air Force so silent? I don't understand it myself. I'm still mulling it over. I know that are you familiar with the term false flag? Yes? Absolutely. Modern day UFO sightings now called UAPs started I think in nineteen forty seven with Rob Well. Well, that was not the first in modern times. That was actually there was a spacecraft that landed in the Black Forest in Germany in the late nineteen thirties. And I think that I know that Hitler had not planned to start World War Two until nineteen forty two.

6:17 So what motivated him to start early in nineteen thirty nine. Well, I think it was the information that he got from back engineering that saucer, right, But the sightings of extraterrestrial spacecraft have have been around forever. We call them flying saucers. The ancient Greeks called them flying shields. And there was a spacecraft that crash landed in Texas in eighteen ninety seven and the people who found its pilot recognized that this is not human, and yet this is so high tech, high tech. At the time, people believed in advanced culture on Mars, so they reported it as a Martian and he was buried given a Christian burial in the I don't remember the name of the town in Texas, but it doesn't matter anyway.

7:15 The government came in and removed the body when people started to talk about it, and they started to use metal detectors the people who were going to expose it, and that cannot happen anymore because the evidence was removed. So I believe it was Aurora, Texas. That's it. Yes, Aurora, Yeah, Aurora in the I'm not don't quote me, but April eighteen nineties, I believe, eighteen ninety seven. Oh yeah, okay, so yeah, eighteen ninety seven. So, which is a wild, wild case to even think about. I mean, I'm of the belief that the Air Force, I mean, we know that the the Roswell Army Air Force or that base had something happen right the Army Airfield.

8:14 They responded to something in nineteen forty seven that sparked modern day uphology. It let it down its path. And I mean, of course there's ancient aliens, and you know, they talk about how we've never been alone. That's not necessarily out of the realm of possibilities. I think that's that's that's fair to say, fair to explore, and I think it's naive not to What I want to get to with you is that you're you're an investigator, right you you worked with the Air Force. You know some things that maybe you definitely can't talk about what continues to drive you and when I want to get into your sighting in a few minutes, But what got you on this beat and what is keeping you here?

9:19 Well, I'm just intrigued with what were the false information that we're told, the misinformation, the disinformation we're told. And I'm intrigued with the attitude of our government because they think that we can't handle the truth. In nineteen sixty the government realized that we're about to start space exploration. What do we do when we find proof of extraterrestrial high intelligence? It was called the Hoover Commission, and very quickly they said, don't talk about it, cover it up, lie about it,

9:58 because they think we can't handle the truth. And I disagree. I think that we can handle the truth if it's presented logically and safely. I worked with a NASA subcontractor before we went to the Moon. I was a lab assistant for the head of NASA's Interplanetary Probe Division. He was doctor Paul Gast, Columbia University's graduate school. He was also a member of the landing site selection committee. Now, before we could send people to the Moon, we needed to pick out landing sites. So we sent three unmanned probes.

10:37 You know, when would go to orbits the Earth, it's called a satellite, but when it goes somewhere else, it's called a probe. The final probe that I did not work on was the Surveyor Lander that was preceded by a lunar orbiter. But I worked on the first project, Project Ranger. And it sounds silly, but we would crash rockets into the And when you look at the pictures that were sent back, rather than the screen turning the snow, that is loss of signal. It doesn't what we found. We found things on the Moon that should not be there structures or there are We found forty four sites on the lunar surface with artificial structures.

11:25 Wow. And we were lied to in terms of we were told that we sent the missions to the Moon to check out the terrain. That's not true. We sent them there to explore those sites. In fact, up until recently, there was a video of the first two astronauts on the Moon, Apollo eleven, walking through an ancient space lunar base and on the horizon you can see the lunar lander. They knew it was there, and lunar orbiter photographed details of structures on the Moon, and the pictures are incredible. They found pyramids, towers.

12:14 In fact, I'm sorry this is so disorganized, but the Second Soviet when Russia was communist, it was called the Soviet Union. The second Soviet probe to the Moon photographed a five mile high tower made of glass. Obviously, it kind of sums up patter The Terrible's bio Mind Introducing the ultimate cognitive enhancement solution, bio Mind, a video is exclusively brought to you by our sponsor and to your ervals. Unlock your brain's full potential with a powerful blend of nine meticulously selected plants and mushrooms, each backed by fear reviewed research for their cognitive boosting benefits and safety.

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13:55 You're going to get an exclusive twenty five percent off your order www dot denti Erbels dot com using our code Total Disclosure at checkouts. Total links will be in the description or on the screen official When we landed on the Moon in nineteen sixty nine, we touched down and then it was seven hours, seven hours before the astronauts walked outside. There were two There was two minutes of silence on the radio frequency, implying that we had lost contact, but no. Neil Armstrong had switched to the medical channel because he found something on the Moon that he could not talk about and let the public know.

14:44 He said, there are spaceships lined up along the creator watching us, watch it. What do we do? And this has been confirmed by a middle management NASA employee who has since met with an unfortunate accident. And that kind of thing happens all the time in our government, and it's it's just shameful. Yeah. And I think you know a good friend of mine, Tim Burchett, Representative out of Tennessee second District, And and the UAP Caucus, uh, you know, when they asked David Grush, have people been murdered two or have people been injured, murdered, et cetera to keep the secret flat out said yes.

15:26 And that is a major concern that that why is the secrecy so so tight that they're willing to kill to keep it? Now? You said earlier that you think the public is ready. What if the implications of the phenomena are much more profound than just simply aliens coming from different planet. I think everyone could wrap their head around that. But what if they have a part to play in why we're here in the first place. Should the created know it's creator? Could that be an existential threat? I think these are all questions we have to ask.

16:17 And you know there's these also these mythical not mythical, but there's these cryptids, these these creatures that have been said to be seen throughout the world all over of various sizes. Uh, you know, from three feet all the way to ten feet tall. Eighte men, We're taught the world is very black and white, but I'm seeing a lot of gray. Yes, So what is your best guess as to I mean, this seems to be multiple phenomena and not just a phenomenon. Well, the Minister of Defense of Canada, Paul Hellier, was very open.

17:07 He since passed away, but he was very open about the fact that there are seven different extraterrestrial civilizations with whom we are in contact. And I believe him. And as far as there was a book published somebody Else's on the Moon and it shows photographs, unmistakable photographs that have been documented as legitimate, and I don't know why that's not being reported more openly. We sent I think we've been to the Moon, not landing, but to the Moon about ten times, maybe nine, and there were only six landings.

17:55 There were to be more butt a lot more, right, a lot if I'm not mistaken. They had plans for up until Apollo sixteen. There's actually Apollo twenty two, but we stopped at Apollo seventeen. So they canceled at least at least five missions because they quote unquote ran out of money. The money right. Also, the viewership on Apollo eleven was off the scale. It plummeted with Apollo twelve old news, then it rose up again on Apollo thirteen because that was the one that almost didn't make it back, and then to plummet it again on Apollo fourteen.

18:42 So the government just determined its space budget based on public interest and the fact that nobody cares anymore. That meant we we shouldn't be spending the money. But we spent thirty billion dollars to get to the Moon, and that's a lot more than that in today's dollars. That was sixty years ago. Yeah, with inflation, we'd be there and it would be perhaps one hundred billion two hundred billion today and to money. And you got to ask yourself why, aside from the official narrative of oh, we decided and deemed that it wasn't feasible to keep going, is there a chance that you think that we were told do not come back here.

19:31 Yes, like physically do not come back here. There's two schools of thought on that. One is that, yes, we were told that. The other is that in the interim sixty years we had negotiated with whoever's on the moon, and we've reached an agreement. Perhaps we can go these places, but not those places. On the lunar's surface is something called helium three. Helium three is abundant on them. I think they have about one hundred million tons of helium three on the Moon and only fifteen tons on Earth. Fifteen tons on Earth one hundred and fifty million tons on the Moon.

20:12 And helium three is significant because it is the solution door energy needs. I don't understand technologically what it would do. But cold fusion struggling to invent cold fusion, which is the combining of atoms. For example, when you combine two helium atoms into hydrogen, two hydrogen atoms into helium that helium, that's called fusion. Yes, when you split the atom, that's called fission fishing yep. And all our nuclear power plants are fission fishing, and want we want fusion. And there was I believe there was a bit of a breakthrough recently about fusion, but it was very menace school.

20:58 But it seems that what if what you're saying is true, that the Moon could possibly be are a key source of advancing that and tremendous it would Now, then you've got to ask, while, well, NASA, why aren't you going to invest in that and go out and and so what's preventing us? And I know we have missions to the Moon planned by SpaceX and NASA separately and together. You know, maybe we got I don't know what's happening there with that, but it seems just very weird that we haven't been back in so long when it seems the capability that we did it with in sixty nine.

21:54 Are our cell phones more complex than some of those technologies that we landed with? So how is it? How is it now that we're struggling and how there's a very powerful lobby in America, the petroleum industry, And that's why I believe that's why we have not pursued There has been so much opposition to pursuing cold fusion. I think it's I'm convinced it's by the oil industry. Because they would lose trillions of dollars. Yeah, and this is something that's been coming up a lot with with the oil industry being uh, it's it's almost like, uh in a way, hemp and paper regular like you know, bark the paper mills that cut trees down.

22:46 Uh. They basically ran the campaign against it, against hemp by labeling it, you know, a drug and you know, calling it marijuana, which was the name for you know, wild Mexican tobacco, saying that it did all these things. And it was basically a ploy to get hemp out of the picture. Not necessarily cannabis, but it was hemp that that that started, uh, the the process and greed by the people who are in the paper mill industry. So are we seeing that again in the energy industry now? And why? So it seems ridiculous that we're still running on fossil fuels when it's such a primitive and we talk about like, oh, you know, we're reverse engineering you know, they're talking about it in Congress now, we're reverse engineering UFOs and all this stuffs out in the open kind of it's like where, well, okay, where is it then?

23:52 Right? Where is it in the public sector. I don't see free energy anywhere. So is it the patent off? Is it the military who's stopping it from being open sourced? I think American industry. And you know, we talk about the chemical propulsion rockets that we inherited from the Nazis. We never talk about the anti gravity they were working on anti gravity. And I've heard from reliable sources that the United States has had anti gravity drive since the mid nineteen fifties. Why then did we go to the Moon with chemical rockets if we have anti gravity drive?

24:33 Well, the reason is that we don't want anyone to know that we have anti gravity drive. So here we've blown trillions of dollars on chemical rockets. Meanwhile, we could have gotten there with anti gravity drive in a matter of hours, not days. That's and that's troubling. That's troubling for a lot of reasons. Because you know Colombia, right ah yet, I mean people lost their lives, and if that didn't if and that's a ramification, right because if it comes out that we've had that technology since you know, because if I'm not mistaken, anti gravity was in all the popular science magazines all all the way up until a certain point and then it just fell off.

25:24 It disappeared. No one was talking about it anymore in the science community, and that's when a lot of people think that the breakthrough was made. Whether it was reverse engineering UFOs is you know, left for debate on another stage. But if we have anti gravity technology, my next question is, are some of the UFOs that we're seeing now man made? Yes, some some and what you know, what would you say to someone who thinks that, you know, like like a doctor Greer that says that most of like the tik tak sightings and stuff like that, are Lockheed programs.

26:11 I think it's quite possible they are. The reason I say most is that you have always have been seen for thousands of years, thousands of years, and there's no way that it could have been. For example of Alexander the Great and three hundred BC or so in try to invade India, and out of nowhere, this flying shield he called it came and sent a ray particle beam weapon destroying the wall of the city they were invading, and his soldiers were terrified, and the elephants were terrified, and so

26:55 they just took off running. But my point is, I think I've my point all, the opposition to advancement in technology, as far as I can see, is from our own industries. In the nineteen thirties, I think it was it was the number one general in the Marine Corps, Smithley Butler wrote a book War Is a Racket, and he itemized that every war we fought is to protect American economic interests, whether it's the United Fruit Company or petroleum companies. And every war has been fought to protect America's assets, access to oil, and to protect American industry in foreign countries, especially Central America and Cuba.

27:53 And for that reason he was passed over to be a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Wow. And and and you know, I think it's I think it is fair to say that that is an accurate statement that you know, we even see this today. You know, Biden just signed it to another ten year deal that we would keep funding Ukraine like for ten for ten years. Why shouldn't we be negotiating to stop it, yes, not to keep funding it. And then with with Palestine and Israel, it's even worse. We're giving money to both sides.

28:33 I mean, like what, how how can the justification be made when on our homeland, There are veterans that are homeless. There are shanty towns being built in almost every major city across the United States. Our border is wide open, yes, and and it's hard to talk about these topics like UFOs and stuff when there are real, real problems. And the debate was just a couple of nights ago. It was treacherous. Neither of those presidents are fit for disclosure, that's for sure. I'll say that right off the bat.

29:12 They would not be able to handle a disclosure event. And that worries me because I think that we are headed on a path that will lead to the public knowing that we are not alone in the universe. I want it. In the opening of the show, I noticed a clip of President Reagan addressing the United Nations. Aren't we already facing a threat from outside the Earth? And in his private diary he wrote about we now have the technology to put three hundred people in orbit. Yeah, and that there's something called the secret space program and we have I believe that there is a secret space program.

30:03 There are witnesses within NASA who insists that they saw one of our mars Landers. She was monitoring the mars Lander and she saw a human being walking up to the Mars lander. Yeah, and she reported that to her supervisor and the supervisor said, you were imagining it. And she went back to the office where she had just been and they had already changed the locks, but a block the view so she could not even see inside the office. There was remember the video I mentioned about the lunar base. Yes, it's a fuzzy image.

30:44 Well it was, and so they took it off YouTube, but that was smuggled out by a whistleblower in NASA. And she took the picture from a TV monitor. Now, a monitor is extremely high to finish television set. That's why it's a little boring. But still you can say by the movement that that is lunar gravity. You can see enough details on buzz Aldron suit to see yes, that is buzz Aldron. Right. And they also had something we now call steady cam. It's it's routine in the entertainment industry now it steadies the image.

31:20 But it did not exist in nineteen sixty nine in the public, but the military had it right, insanely insanely stable image. Yes, and we know we know with DARPA that a lot of a lot of things that we use now in you know, take for granted, like the Internet. I mean, DARPA had the Internet in fifty nine, sixty nine or something like that. You know, they had some form of Internet they I mean, they essentially came up with email with packaging fresh nerds and that. We won't get into that. But packaging is basically when you send a large amount of data, but you break it up into smaller packages, send them individually through the network, and then it reassembles on the other side.

32:14 That is still used to this day. And that's darper technology. So and DARPA is a lot of Do you know Darcy ware No, the filmmaker. He's made a lot of films about the Secret Space Program and I've learned a lot watching his films, talking to him and then talking to witnesses that are in his films about this secret space program. I absolutely agree and believe that it exists. It is. So my next question to you. You talked earlier about civilizations. Alien civilizations that we know of we recently found evidence of, like DIYCE in Sphear's potential seven of them.

33:12 We've talked about seven different alien civilizations. Do you think that there is some sort of federation. Uh, absolutely, because do you in uh, you know who Gene Roddenberry was, Yes, the creator of Star Trek. Before he was in entertainment, he was in the army and he was involved in the interrogation of a man who I'm not don't I don't know how to describe it, but yeah, the man's the men whom they were interrogating revealed that there was a federation of nine different civilizations and they call it the Federation.

33:56 And that inspired Jean Roddenberry to come up with the Galactic Federation. And then and then this is important, I like to and I'm so thankful that you brought that up unprompted, because everyone thinks, oh my god, you're you know, you're just you're you're taking it to see like Star Trek and you're imposting it on real life. It's like no, no, no, no, no no. Yes, art imitates life and and vice versa. But the classic alien, I don't have it in back of me yet. Uh. This is a new studio, but the classic archetypal alien that was a product of real, real life inspiration.

34:45 Jay Allen Heinek and and his his project Blue Book was basically, you know, a source material for Third Encounters or or I'm sorry, Close Encounters. I just I don't know why I botched that Encounters was based on an actual event at Holloman Air Force Base, spaceship landed exactly, So the art imitated life, not the other way around. Like people think it's not that Hollywood is. Hollywood's actually getting it right. And so I'm thankful you brought that up because when people talk about this, this galactic federation, they're like, oh my god, that is so star Trek, and it's like, you don't understand though, that if there are multiple alien races visiting us, there's going to be some hierarchy involved in it, or we would see fighting, and like it would just be evident that that that there was chaos, because that that's just how things work.

35:56 I want to know if how into what degree we humans are involved. Well, I'm not sure I've heard that. For example, there was a I cannot think of his name, but he broke into hacked into secret files on the Internet and he saw a file Gary McKinnon. Yeah, that's it off planet officers. Yes, very very yeah, it was a non terrestrial office. That's nonterrestrial. And and that is like, I mean that, what does that say to you? That means literally they're either an orbit or on another world, the only two things that can mean there's there's a thing else or they're extraterrestrials taking on human identity, right and then and and and that's where it gets to interesting.

37:01 And I believe that case, you know, I I truly think that there was Ah, I'm glad that they didn't they weren't able to extradite him, but I am glad that they tried to because it showed that he stumbled onto something. Right, they would not have just not wanted to be revealed exactly. And why do you think that they're not more vigilant when it comes to people like you. You're clearly coming on here, you know, formerly a spokesperson for the Air Force. Even this may be the turning point in that they may they may come after me, right because I've not I've not spoken publicly before, yes, and and that and I wanted to preface that this and that conversation that you that you haven't uh spoken like this in this format before, which I did not.

38:03 I did not reveal any of my personal feelings. As a member of the Air Force Reserve, I was trained in the science, the science of disinformation, but I always felt enormous guilt misleading the people. In my opinion, we should not give out miss disinformation. We should say I'm sorry that that's classified. I can't talk about it. It's for the good of national security, right. But what I was told to do, and I'm ashamed to say I went along with it, was if I'm holding a press conference and the reporter asks a question that gets too close to the truth, Sir, you've been reading too much science fiction.

38:45 Do you have a real question? Yeah, And I'm sorry to say. I was good at it. That's why I kept promoted in record time. But I always I just felt such guilt. And I was so relieved when my position was eliminated. Not I was fired. I was doing very very well at it, but my position it was a major Defense Department budget cut during the Reagan administration, and my position was eliminated. And that's when is that is that when you went to investigative reporting. And actually, I've been an investigative reporter in my heart.

39:20 I've been an investigative reporter since the third grade, when when my when my third grade teacher taught that told the class that Columbus had proved the world was round. My hand went up and I said, no, that was Magellan and she said, no, Magellan was killed in the Philippines. Yes, but his expedition continued to Portugal. And that's when I realized that teachers are just passing on the misinformation that they were taught. Yeah, it's it's the problem of our history books is they are written by people, and people can swayed, people have agendas.

40:04 That's why I think the Internet is done. That's why I think we're in the age that we're in is because now we do not it's you're not necessarily tied to you know, what your teachers taught you, or you know what you can find in a library. You can you know, you basically can go searching and find people that are like minded. And I have an honest question to ask you, as a person, as a member of the Air Force in the military, in your expert opinion, if the government and this includes the military because I'm i'm military industrial complex, Let's just say, do you think if they saw what the internet was going to become what it is, right, now would they have allowed it.

40:59 No, no way, not a chance, no way. There's and that's I think it's very telling because they that's one of the things that keeps people and we see this in mainstream media. One of the best ways to keep people distracted is to pit them against each other, right, right, And so you said you were very good at that. Yeah, that that and that comes with a tremendous amount. I mean, if you're a human being with actual like a moral compass, and I want I want to say this to you genuinely. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you had to go through that.

41:48 I'm sorry that you had to lie or or misguide the public. But I want to talk about when it goes from investigator to the investigated. When when when you become the story you've had your own sighting of a of a cryptid creature? Can you I want to round us off. I would like to have more conversations with you. I know you have a limited time today, but I want to dive in. I have another fifteen minutes, so go for it. Yeah, So, can you talk to us about what you saw and what what why, how it changed your life and what the ramifications of it.

42:37 All were what what happened. I was originally from New York. I moved to California and spring Break and the Patterson film had been shot two and a half years earlier, and a friend of mine and I wanted to go where ahead been seen. Now when the creature, well have already told you in the intro where we camped. It was at the edge of the forest. Now the area has been called virtually impenetrable by World Explorers. There's three levels. I mean there's the upper canopy, the thorn bushes on the ground, and then there's all these fallen trees in the middle.

43:21 And we were each carrying about a fifty pounds backpack and we had only one mile from the logging road east to Bluff Creek, and it took us four days to hike that mile. Four days and total total silence. Now, this was the spring. We should have heard animals, but we heard nothing. And I didn't realize that that's the warning sign that s Watch is around somewhere. So when we've got close enough to Bluff Creek that we could hear it, the rapids we were on at that point, we were on a game trail because we had not been on game show before that.

44:00 We were forging our own way and all of a sudden, from behind me, I hear a sound, and I turn around and there's this tree about the size thickness of well, actually my leg just wandering altra, swaying back and forth, and that's all I saw. But it was startling because after four days of total silence, it was startling. And then we went to Bluff Creek. We looked for tracks. We were non well, animal tracks, yes, but no no squatch footprints. So we we we set up camp about up up wind

44:49 from from the watering hole, and for three days we heard nothing. And then the guy I was with was in experienced woodsman. That was my first time backpacking, and I was at the swimming hole in the in the Bluff Creek, about three hundred yards east of our campsite, and late in the afternoon Ken came up to me and said, Donn, I don't like wherwork camp too susceptible to flash floods. And that was ridiculous because it's impossible for any rain at that time of year. But I could see in his eyes fear something was back at camp that terrified him.

45:29 So he asked how.

45:34 I asked how long before we can break camp? He said about forty five minutes And I said, how far are we going to get after that? Before the sun goes down? And he said, I see your point. So for the first thing in the morning, we're leaving. He said, well, then we went back to camp. Now the sun has gone down, it's totally dark. The sandbar between the camp and the creek is strewn with driftwood boulders. And then we hear this creature walking down the hill toward us. And it may just be my imagination, but it seemed to be walking on two legs.

46:10 It was very heavy. I'm a musician, and the sound of the branches crushing, crushed under its feet. I think the branches must have been about that thick. That's a heavy animal. So I grabbed my flashlight to see where the bear is, and that's not where I saw. I saw two red eyes about eight feet off the ground, reflecting my head of my flashlight. Now, we did our research. People who go there with guns and ammo, they never run into sasquatch. The only reason Roger Patterson and Bob Yimlin ran into sasquatch is that the smell of the horses mashed the smell of the gun oil, and so we were careful not to take guns.

46:56 Well, that's you don't you don't go unprotected in the wilderness. And so Ken is an expert marksman, and he had a high tech bow and arrow hanging on the tree behind which is sasquatch. That removed any interest we had in recovering the bow and arrow. But sasquatch stalked our camp for forty five minutes, always staying out of sight, not that we wanted to see it, but you know, I'm thinking, what in the world was I thinking going out of my way to encounter sasquatch, And now that he's here, I'm terrified.

47:36 We were downright hysterical, And after forty five minutes of it walking around the camp, it picked up a rock the size of my fist and threw it at our feet. Very good aim. But I just I remembered I remembered Albert Ostman his encounter when he was carried off by a sasquatch in his sleeping bag. So I was relieved. In the morning when I woke up still in the same place, I tried to get pictures of the tracks behind the tree, but the soil was so moist and so covered with pine needles that it was just gouges.

48:13 But the gouge was like twenty inches long, and they were all over the place. And that's when we decided to leave. Well, we decided to leave a lot earlier than that, like the night before, but that's when we actually left, and it followed us for the next two days. Now we did not go back the way we came. I had a map and it showed a downstream about a mile or two. There's a branch from the logging road that

48:44 and meets up with the creek. So that's where we headed. But for those two days we could tell that there were something following us. Not nearly as close as ten feet, which is how close it was, but at least it wasn't as close as it was, so that we were right right. It's still unnerving, but absolutely to a degree where you're you're kind of now you're familiar with it. It was a privilege to encounter it. Now that it's over, I'm no longer terrified. I'm glad I had the experience. There's no way I could do it now at my age, but what what an experience?

49:23 What the what? What did you smell? That's the interesting thing. I didn't smell anything that little smell. I know, there was absolutely no smell. And I did some research and I found out that sasquash have been known to give off a foul, older odor, to say the least, but not necessarily. Perhaps it had just gone swimming or something like that. Very very you know, just I always like to like have the person bring me back, and you did that very well with I can imagine the branches, these thick branches breaking, you know, and the red eyes.

50:06 And did you see any other features of it? Was it? I mean you said eight to ten feet off the ground, but standing on two legs? Was it muscular? Was it thin? All I saw was the eyes. No. Now there are people who say, no, it must have been a person. There's no way a person could walk through that thick underbrush at night. There's no way. And the fact that it continued to stalk us for forty five minutes and had hands capable of throwing a rock, I'm convinced it was sasquatch. Yeah, And that's the other part.

50:45 Next day, the next day, it escorted us out of its territory as a as a way of saying you're not wanted here, which I respect. Yes, Squatch, you know there has to be a breed population, and as experts have estimated that it's probably about three thousand now most sightings. First of all, there's an encounter every ten days, every ten days on the average, and most of the encounters are on the Pacific Northwest, Oregon, Washington, northern California BC, but the next most active places southeast Ohio.

51:27 I think Ohio is urbanized, but it's only urbanized in the north along Lake Erie, but the south it's forested. And then eastern Oklahoma the same thing. But these things have been seen in every single US state except Hawaii, every Canadian province and territory. And they, like I said, they go buy different names, but I'm pretty sure we're dealing with the same thing the and it's it's really, really really it makes me wonder because when I was talking to Linda Moulden how she had raised the point about how UFOs and Bigfoot or Sasquatch or Yeti, the abominal Sloman, whatever you want to call him, that they were often seen together or within days of each other, you know, someone will see a UFO in the area and then see a bigfoot

52:34 or you know some some combination of that. Reports will come in. So did you see anything weird in the sky or just just the sighting? And there are people who think that the Sasquatch are extraterrestrial. I do not believe that. I think they're from Earth. And for for example, the first European to come to North America was Erickson. He came here in the nine hundreds and he encountered sasquatch up in Labrador. We don't talk about that. Is this documented? Well, yeah, I think it is okay, because that would I mean, that's interesting.

53:18 Do you how do you do you know that story? All I know is that the Vikings reported harry men, very very strong, who with whom they fought Champlain. The French explorer came to the Hudson River and the natives spoke with him about the same thing. Harry giants, and and the list goes on right the tribes in in Australia. Right all over the world, there are similar creatures, but they're different. In North America there are many, many different names. And there was a Canadian educator who kept reading reports from different tribes that have never come in contact with each other, describing the same creature literally to a t and he came up with that.

54:18 He modified one of the Indian names and came up with the word sasquatch. Yes. And and Australia, Australia, Russia, China has them. I think China it's called the urine, but it's each are different yep modifications. Yeah. Again, and and that's you know, that's that's the language, right, you know, we we all have our our word for it. But again, I really do think we're dealing with is something that is definitely real and just I mean something that there are casts of these these footprints that are just there.

55:00 I mean that's evidence. That is physical evidence under my you know, my brain in my perspective, that's physical evidence. Yes. Uh, we have other evidence, videos and photos. Uh. And this goes for the UFO phenomenon as well. I think the burden of proof has shifted to the debunker and the skeptic more so now than ever. So I guess it what constitutes proof or evidence now? Because they keep pushing the goalposts and you can't do and they will continue to do that. Yeah, and you can't do the science.

55:43 You can't do that. You can't, you can't. We've you've asked for. And I'm so sick of hearing that Carl Sagan line that, uh, with extraordinary h No, they don't't. Evidence is evidence extraordinary or not? Evidence is evidence. That is a dumb statement by a scientist who was not practicing actual science, was more of a spokesman. And I would argue that Neil deGrasse Tyson is in the same boat. Now, you know he doesn't. Actually when was the last time you put out an actual paper or or did actual scientific work.

56:29 No, they're they're they're spokespeople, and they're often they're often trained like you are. Yeah, your guys are reading too much science fiction. This is how the world actually works. This is all a big joke. This doesn't make sense, you know, And it's like, who do you know what you're talking to? Because we're you know, we're we're we're we're getting there where most if you were to survey one hundred people on the street, ninety of them would say that they think that we've either been visited or are being visited consistently by extraterrestrial beings.

57:10 Right, so what's next, what's next on Well, I think the government may be preparing us for disclosure. That's my thought too, but limited. For example, about a year a year and a half ago, they made a big deal about how Congress is going to be given a report on the truth. Well, Congress got to see the report, not us and the fact that there are seven extraterrestrial species with whom we are in contact and have been. About decades ago, there was a television series, short lived called Dark Skies. Yeah, and it showed that the government, our government was interacting with with the extraterrestrials.

58:03 And John Kennedy was about to announce it to the public and that was the reason he was murdered. Murdered, Yeah, and not to mention, uh and Bryce Able produced that show. If I'm not mistaken, Dark Skies, what a fantastic show. I love how they they use Majestic twelve or you know, a version of it. Do you my last? You know one thing I want to well, well, I know you gotta go, but h do you think that there is some some entity in the government, like a Majestic twelve that operates above law, if there's a secret space program there's got to be a secret government.

58:52 Absolutely, And when I see Biden being you know, I'll be polite. He's senile, and yet certain things he says reveal that he's just following orders. Yeah, yeah, from whom absolutely going on that they're not telling us. And as an American, h that's an American Yeah, I mean, uh again, you know RFK not allowed to participate in the debate, not given us a secret service detail. Right, it's his his his family has literally died for this country. And most people know. They don't just say that, they believe, they know that it was an inside job.

59:46 Yes, clearly, and it's just so evident, right, it is so evident that you know, if you don't play ball, you don't make it. Yeah, you know, I fear for RFK Junior's life because he's uh looking into things that you're not supposed to look there and he doesn't quit. We knows what could happen, I know, And uh, we are definitely in a unique time. I will say that, uh, I the world is changing almost hour by hour, and and no offense to you, you're you're older gentleman. I just we need a younger we need a younger government.

1:00:44 That understands this artificial intelligence and what the implications might be. Uh. And and it's becoming a real problem. We are running and nobody you know, uh that our parents haven't you know, showed us how to walk. Yet our parents aren't haven't guided us. And it's it's a really scary scenario that I find that we are about to enter into. Uh. It's also a revolutionary one. So I'm also excited to be a part of it. I really appreciate you coming out here, Don and I look forward to having many more conversations with you.

1:01:29 But you know, I have so much more to say. I know you do. I usually like to finish with this. I know what your answer is already. But are we alone in the universe? No, we are not no good I because I think it would be such a waste of space. But I think it's such a fun uh. You know, there there is this power that is yielded in the community where it's like that. I want to believe that sometimes we let our guard down when it comes to certain things. Uh. And that's why skeptics are good. But people like you, who bring very credible backgrounds into the topic.

1:02:18 You guys help us so much in advancing the topic no matter what. So the more people like you that we have, the better UH. And I just want to thank you for for coming on here and for for having this conversation, and I hope to have you on again and to listen to more of what you have to say. I look forward to it. Thanks, thank you, don have a great night, and thank you everyone for watching. UH. This has been total disclosure. The podcast We're Back Baby, Season two h