Elizondo V. UAP GERB | UFO Whistleblower Protections| TOTAL DISCLOSURE (BONUS)

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1:33 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to Total Disclosure. We got a very very special one today. As you can see to my left or your right, veto Perfect Storm Gaming.

1:45 Speaker 3: What's the UFO general called the UFO is It's just it's just Veto, but it's Veto UFO seventy six.

1:51 Speaker 2: Okay, that's stupor easy. Remember Veto UFO seventy six. And we got the man, the myth, the legend, the producer of TV paging Sticko over on the other side of the room. We have a fantastic show this weekend on Saturday, and it turned out that it all kind of aligned so that we could all be here. You know, drove up from where he lives. So we thought, ship we're all together, might as well do our Thursday live show in the same room, right. I think this is a really unique opportunity for us all to be you know again not maybe the intimate is not the right word, because you guys are gonna make fun of me.

2:40 Speaker 2: But

2:42 Speaker 2: last live show, we had a we had a weird thing happened, so we had.

2:50 Speaker 3: Since the last show.

2:53 Speaker 2: There was the metal after. But there's definitely some topics I want to get to today. I want to say thank you for the b to be here or for being here today. And last time we were here, last time we were together, we touched that metal. So I think a lot of people, at least on the show. I know you've been doing updates on spaces and stuff, but how are you? Uh?

3:16 Speaker 4: But are you feeling perfectly normal?

3:20 Speaker 1: Really?

3:21 Speaker 5: I mean, did you see when I when I when I went to his house today?

3:23 Speaker 3: I go, bro, I'm hobbling because I wrenched my back coming up here, and this guy is doing fucking carts, kicks things and bowling around. I'm like, are you serious.

3:32 Speaker 4: I've never seen him so mobile. Couldn't believe it. No, it's been you know, I've kind of gotten over the feeling of like waiting for the other shoe to drop and and go away. Yeah, it's always like this self check thing. Right, I can imagine because again, right, you know, I've been so not totally immobile, but my mobility has been so limited over over the last three years that you know, it's like I start going into you know, start with like twelve fifteen minute walks, you know, just sort of around.

4:10 Speaker 4: We went sort of the big tests. I guess you'd call it was you know, for our anniversary the end of July, we went uh to the Gardener Museum in Boston, which you know was great, and we're you know, over an hour walking around up and down the old stone steps of one of those old mansions so hard.

4:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, like even it hurts me to do that kind of war.

4:38 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, it's like I kind of feel, you know, and and again, I'm retired anyway, right, so like I don't have a whole lot of places I go in general. And you know, even at the peak of health, I wasn't you know, looking to run marathons or you know, I pretty much planned retirement was I was gonna sit sit around on my ass and do whatever I wanted kind of thing. It's nice to do it now without the pain, right, because I don't.

5:05 Speaker 2: Want to get too like caught up in this so much, because I don't want to. I feel like we got a good thing going. I don't want to think yeah, right, but you don't. You had mentioned one thing to me, and I was like, could this be Ple's evo?

5:23 Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't matter. It doesn't yeah, it doesn't matter. I mean the thing about it for me is and I've described it to you, you know, privately, and you know it's come up in spaces, right Like I never felt bad about what was happening to me, right, I never when it's started, and I was like, oh, you know, okay, is it temporary? Is it permanent? What's this? You know? Is it going to get progressive? And the doctors are like, we've just got to monitor it, We've got to sing because for the last thirty years, little by little things have happened, right like, things have started going wrong, and we know a lot of it was attributed to toxic exposures, golf, you know, the Gulf War syndrome stuff.

6:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. So it's one of those things like I've always just been you know, we're dealing with anyway. So the idea that it's like, okay, well now it's you know, affecting mobility. And and again it's not like I had to be helped anywhere really, right, you know, it was just sort of if we're going somewhere along, I need to be in the chair, if you know, socializing stuff like that. I can't stand and work a room. I got to roll around the room. Now, great, I'll deal with it the way, you know, what I mean.

6:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, And like I said, for you know the people who were you know, oh you know, geez, that's good. Listen. I had a great fucking time getting there, right, if it was my time to get into it, I had a good time getting there, you know.

6:56 Speaker 2: I it's weird. It's even weird for me, know you when I still see you in the wheelchair, like when you are in the wheelchair, it's like it's like, well, it still takes me back.

7:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, I see you a lot.

7:08 Speaker 2: It was my point, You're not it a lot, you know now, especially now I haven't even seen.

7:15 Speaker 4: You, not even with the right because I had the balance and and you know, some stability stuff too, so you know that's the whole thing placebo effect.

7:24 Speaker 2: So we touched some mon talk medal, right.

7:26 Speaker 4: So it's not I wasn't seeking healing, right, I wasn't one of these like, oh I got to find a way to get healed. I got to find a way to get healed. Number one, number two. He never claimed that it had any powers or you know, did it. He was just like people hold this and they feel weird.

7:45 Speaker 3: Shit really, So he didn't come here because I didn't get to watch the show so he didn't come like, oh, touch this metal, it's a magic you know what I mean, Like.

7:53 Speaker 4: There was no He gave time one piece and you know, it was like, okay, you know, tell me, do you feel anything right? And he didn't even tile tie what the piece was. And Ty's like, oh, you know, I feel like some clarity. Oh I feel something in my head. Oh you know, And and he had like this and he's explained in it and again not my thing, right, It's not like again not that I don't believe in it or I've never experienced it, and I don't put a whole lot of stock in stock in you know, the whole thing.

8:27 Speaker 4: But Ty sitting there tis like oh my god. This. So I was just like, all right, well Ty, I want to see you know, well, give me a piece. Let me try it. If Ty's feeling you know, all this shit. Oh, so you touched it first, so it was almost the debunking thing. Then the guy gives me a different piece and as soon as he handed it to me, I was like, oh that's weird. It was like, yeah, I felt this energy, this heat, like this heat energy in my fingers.

8:59 Speaker 2: Also, now I know you don't watch the show you piece it.

9:01 Speaker 5: I just didn't watch that episode.

9:04 Speaker 4: That's the one episode, yes, that one, And then I felt this tingling in my neck, right, and I'm like, oh, I feel this tingling, you know, and he's like yeah, and then I just and then they were like, you know, I'll just sit with it. So I was like, all right, I just kind of sat with it, handed it back to the guy finished the show, right, So it's not like there was a wondrous moment. It wasn't until I was leaving and they were taping for the members section and I was leaving only because it sort of become became my routine that.

9:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I think there's something to actually drilled down on you were leaving. You always leave before the members because you're back and shit started something because you're sitting so long.

9:50 Speaker 4: Right, because we spend you know, I mean we're here four or five hours, right, it's like a full day, and you know, and it is it's a bit of up and down for me adjusting camera and shit like that. So my habit was right. It was like by the time they finished, I, you know, the main episode, it's like, I feel like I did my job. So I'm gonna take off, and it's normally, I hobble downstairs, I get to the car, I get home, I hobble in, I get to the couch, and that's it. And and so that's what happened. And it wasn't until I hit the bottom of the stairs where I realized like I had kind of bounced down the stairs, right, it was kind of like normal.

10:35 Speaker 4: And then I yelled for time, and then I like went out. I like walked to the car and walked back and I'm like self checking myself. And that's when I yelled, dude, I thought something terrible happened.

10:49 Speaker 2: Me and Ja.

10:50 Speaker 4: That's how I yelled.

10:50 Speaker 2: We looked at each other and I go, oh, like I I was I probably mid jumped out of the chair because I was like, dude, sounding bad happened. That's how he yelled, like something like like guttural scream. And I was like, Jesus, I thought he fell down the stairs or I was gonna come up to a dead body. And I come up to him just like eyes glowing, and he's just like running up and down.

11:16 Speaker 4: I grabbed him. I'm like because I can see like like he's looking into like he's looking for whatever this horrible thing was, and I literally grabbed him. I'm like, dude, watch this. I'm like, watch me walk. That was so wed.

11:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, you sent you sent the video on the group chat to go, wait a minute, what the what the fuck happened? So to answer my question, might just ask how many days ago? This two weeks But it's the day after we did the.

11:42 Speaker 5: Weird ghost thing. It was the day after the Lives.

11:43 Speaker 3: It was Thursday, and it was the Friday then, right, Well, because we had an episode Saturday, we had an episode on Saturday.

11:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, we moved the live Thursday show to Friday that week. Oh yeah, that's right, So move the live show to Friday.

11:58 Speaker 4: Next day, you guys feel the next day we.

12:00 Speaker 2: Filmed with Mike and that's when it happened. That was two weeks ago.

12:03 Speaker 5: We were talking about that.

12:04 Speaker 3: We were in the group chat, we were talking about the ghost thing, and then all of a sudden, you get that video, go what the fuck is going on?

12:10 Speaker 4: You know, that was the guest. So he's never you know, I just meet him that you know, afternoon. We're going through all this and you know, so he doesn't like get what's going and we're explaining and he's sitting there like now he.

12:23 Speaker 2: Texts me like three times a week asking how Gene is. I don't blame him, yeah, he's like because he's like he's like invested in it. So what that metal was was the Sage radar tower at Montalk, which is what The Stranger Things is based on, right, and this he is he again he tells me. At first, he doesn't say anything, he just says, you see it right at the end of the episode, he kind of you. He has a yellow bag with him and I kind of noticed him pulling out, but I'm getting towards the end of the episode he hasn't done anything with it yet, and I go, all right, so like you know, start like, you know, what's your plugs?

12:59 Speaker 2: And he's like, before we do that, I can't forget. And then he just goes so I'm not really gonna say anything much about it, but will you hold this? And I go okay, and you kind of I kind of laughed it off. I grabbed the metal and he just kind of says to sit with it, and not five second, five ten seconds in, I just feel this vibration through my chest. Move start moving up, moving up the back of my spine, the base of my spine up through the top of my head, and then like you ever had one of those massage or things.

13:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt like something was like it felt like I was connected to something that was invisible, like I had a visible tether to me, and then I was getting like I seeing clearly, and then as soon as that metal was out of my hands, back to normal.

13:51 Speaker 4: Really, so you didn't have any last I didn't have anything like him. Did you touch the same thing he touched?

13:56 Speaker 2: We touched tep set, the same metal, different piece. What do you mean, like this same same structure from.

14:05 Speaker 4: The same metal, but t different pieces.

14:09 Speaker 5: Okay, and then you never touched his piece and you.

14:11 Speaker 2: Never Actually, that's a good one even.

14:13 Speaker 3: Though that that's the after show guys on only fans cross and Jean's barefoot.

14:22 Speaker 4: And ready to go today to save that for the members.

14:25 Speaker 2: No, we never actually did touch each other's other.

14:31 Speaker 4: You guys, did you guys didn't doc?

14:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't touch tips. But Mike's bringing Mike won't mail it, he will not put it in the mail.

14:41 Speaker 4: Okay, that's what that's what whistling.

14:43 Speaker 2: Mike just asked, He asked.

14:45 Speaker 3: And then we have u A p gurb two point o in the chat. By the way, Hello, he wants you to be topless. I'm that serious. Say no more who you're asking?

14:54 Speaker 4: Damn, it's coming open.

14:55 Speaker 2: The Sage radar tower ran every frequency from a little I will.

15:00 Speaker 4: Start rip it off it.

15:06 Speaker 3: Zoom in w A p garb two point zero every looking at you.

15:13 Speaker 2: Every sequence of frequencies that ran through mon talk ran through that radar, ran through that metal that we touched. So is it some residual, like does it have its own because everything The reason my hand doesn't go through this fan is because we were vibrating at the same frequency. Theory is that it has a different resonant frequency.

15:36 Speaker 4: And here's the other thing again, to sort of on the placebo effects stuff, right, My my limits of knowledge of mon talk is that the series Dark and Stranger Things are based on it loosely.

15:54 Speaker 5: Legitimate whatever line disease comes from there.

15:56 Speaker 4: So for for real, well I'm saying that's all I know about it. So after this happened, I was on X and in Spaces and I know, like, like Eric Hecker knows a lot of I'm like, somebody needs to explain to me what this thing is what this you know, so this is the satellite thing it cam'p hero. What does that means?

16:17 Speaker 5: What that thing was getting? What they were using it for?

16:20 Speaker 4: Portals? You don't know, there's no idea. If it's in this show, it's probably been tried. And so what I'm saying though when people are like, well, you know placebo effect, you knew it was a Montra, but again I don't. I don't. It should have worn off. I now, I don't know all of that history to be affected by it. Right. It's like, you know, if it's like I could hand you a sacred stone from the Hill of Crosses in Lithuania, that is very you know to me, like oh my, you know I got this at the Hill of Crosses.

16:52 Speaker 4: You know you have to hold like you don't have a connection to that or knowledge of it or you know, the history or something like that. So not like you're gonna be like, well, that's a beautiful rock, thank you, you know, I see it's special to you.

17:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like taking a consideration that we are going through this at the same time, I'm not affecting his

17:15 Speaker 2: like it's all still new to me. At the same it's new to both of us at the same time. Yeah, you know what I mean, We're not influencing each other's decisions. So I just wanted to ask and bring it up. How you're feeling. Sounds like you're feeling pretty good.

17:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, again, perfectly normal. It is normal in the sense it's the absence of k chronic.

17:38 Speaker 5: Did you did you bring your wheelchair or your cane today?

17:42 Speaker 4: They're actually both still in the back of my.

17:43 Speaker 5: Car, Okay, so you did bring them?

17:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, because I was going to say, like, you're so confident with this ship that you're literally walking around without it.

17:51 Speaker 4: Nuts the only difference. So the wheelchair is always there, right, it's powerchair. I keep it plugged in, you know, to the jeep and fucking thing. Three hundred pounds, sixty pounds, that's all of it. So it's just oddly shaped. But I but you know, you guys have been in the car with me, right, I always have the cane in the passenger seat, you know, so I get whacking people getting in you're getting in and out or throwing it at trucks. Whatever said that I put in the back.

18:20 Speaker 3: So it's like, yeah, I couldn't believe I show up to your house. Like I said, I'm hobbling because I twined my back driving up here, and then you're like walking in and that's what I said, twenty five year old man.

18:29 Speaker 4: Like those first couple of days, the first couple of days, the main sensation was like I felt like I needed to stretch a lot, right, and that was like number one thing. I'm like, I, you know, like I've never like yeah, back to like and then you know, after walking you know, ten fifteen minutes or whatever, Oh, I would get sore in the sense of like I just finished a workout, right, so I had like aches in the but they were gone.

18:58 Speaker 3: Because you haven't used those fis you know, whatever, it goes away.

19:03 Speaker 4: Same thing like I know there's arthritis and you know my hit oh yeah, so you know every now and then that kind of reminds me that it's there. But you know, as you normal, right, as you guys have seen it's been generally, any significant movement, amount of time on my feet, you become assistance. Yeah, it becomes debilitating.

19:27 Speaker 2: So I gotta ask you, as this has everyone seen the stuff with you Apager and Ross.

19:37 Speaker 4: Coltart, No, that's what I'm saying.

19:39 Speaker 3: I don't have time to watch anything like I legit it not because I didn't want that, literally, I have not. I've been following it on Twitter. But when I see stuff like that, I'm just like, no offense anybody. If it doesn't have to do with disclosure, whistleblower, amnesty or aliens and UFOs, I don't really care about it.

19:55 Speaker 2: How would you say that's not about UFOs.

19:58 Speaker 3: Because it's drama, bullshits these two guys with a pissing contest one.

20:02 Speaker 4: You know what, That's how I see it. I'm this and I'm that.

20:05 Speaker 3: It's like, dude, it has nothing to do disclosure, cut it out and get along. Yeah it's bullshit, but but okay, just get along?

20:12 Speaker 2: Or saying that, So what is what is he saying about Alexondo. He's saying that, he's saying that Alexondo is essentially a legacy program and we can get into what we can get I know where you want to go with that.

20:29 Speaker 4: Well, and he's even saying I wouldn't even say it's that saying Gerb saying people have told him. But let me ask you guys a question.

20:38 Speaker 3: Would that surprise either of you if it comes out that Loue Alesando did have connections to the legacy. He's never denied it. He's just said I can't say that. I can't answer that question unless it's in a skift.

20:48 Speaker 5: He's never said on.

20:49 Speaker 2: Because he did an interview with Vinny from Disclosure Team, a friend of mine where Alexando comes back at gerb So. And the reason I bring this up is, you're right, it is drama. But the reason I bring it up is because Alexander took time to respond to it, which is different, right because now you got Coltart involved. Coltart's a big name now and.

21:19 Speaker 4: And talking about you see what I'm going with.

21:27 Speaker 2: There's a fracture that's beginning, and well it's been happening for a long time.

21:32 Speaker 3: Well supposedly between Crush and Alexando and this one and that one.

21:35 Speaker 2: Well, it seems like it seems like it it seems like there is a very much of a divide between the the officials that are in the community and then the podcaster, researcher investigator side where it's like they used to idolize guys like that and now you know, for me, it kind of feels like, did Alexando say something to one of these guys and they're just like like they they're like the story is worth more than the relationship because I've heard some stuff that al Zando said off the record. I haven't heard it in public yet, but I feel like it's coming But is it?

22:16 Speaker 3: But is it story or is it truth? And these guys are just telling the truth? I don't know.

22:19 Speaker 2: See, that's the thing is like how how much do you trust Gerb? How much? Why isn't Jesse Michael's weighing in on it when he's doing interviews with Doan Borland?

22:27 Speaker 4: Why Island?

22:27 Speaker 3: Why is it Borland weighing in on and he likes them both right, So that's where that's what I don't And that's the other thing too. Borland's big, Okay, Borland's a huge fan of Dave, he's a huge fan of Aleixando, and he's a huge fan of Gerb. He said it, but so like then he stays in the middle, So like where does that leave him? And like its just it doesn't make logistical sense to have this going on.

22:46 Speaker 5: It's unnecessary you go.

22:49 Speaker 4: Through it because you're you're almost at the answers.

22:56 Speaker 2: You're just not talking ourselves through it.

22:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, you're talking to your sell through it and you're on your way there. No.

23:03 Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is this, with all that we have going on right now, you have actual disclosure happening, which is what's happening in my opinion. You've got doctor Phil being walked out to basically break it to the everyday idiot so they don't kill themselves and housewives.

23:16 Speaker 5: That's the truth.

23:16 Speaker 3: That's that's that's how I see it, and how people can't see this. He is the soft, the the bubble, the buffer. So that way when this ship starts getting real and weird, herom doctor Phil, and I'm gonna explain it, you know what I mean. That's how I see it. He's the guy they're bringing out to to slow walk it. You now, to slow walk it.

23:35 Speaker 4: Think about the timing of that, and think about.

23:38 Speaker 3: And you've got all these trances that are being released, I think disclosures coming and you can't stop it. And I think what they're doing is confusing and stupid.

23:46 Speaker 4: But think about the timing, okay, and think about the timing of this issue.

23:59 Speaker 2: Raising seventeen real hot, not even.

24:02 Speaker 4: Not even then. I'm just saying, right, now that we're starting to see we're seeing this movement right, which is essentially being driven by the executive branch, right, and you're seeing the doctor Phil come.

24:18 Speaker 2: Forward, and it was doctor Phil, you.

24:22 Speaker 3: Got your Yeah, you've got this now mainstream science and you have the the yeah.

24:32 Speaker 4: But but but here's here's hold on, because we're there. I'm doctor filling you on this, doctor Phil, catch me outside.

24:39 Speaker 5: How about that.

24:43 Speaker 4: We've got we've got this movement of the pursue, the Scientific Advisory Council, and a below jumping in. You know, the discussion. You've got the movement, the resignation of Tulsea Gabbard, and a new Odie and I that starting.

25:06 Speaker 3: But you asked somebody in there, Yeah, new dog Samuel Tricks.

25:10 Speaker 4: So you've had somebody else in there. You've got the executive branch, you know, being Trump, let's say, bringing doctor Phil in to this net. So you're answering your own question because all of these guys were a cohesive unit, seemingly until movement started. That started bringing in new people and new figures. And when those new people and new figures start entering the picture, everybody starts feeling a little bit more insecure about their own position. Steven Greer, the president example. Okay, so everybody starts getting a little bit more insecurity about what they mean and their importance to the issue.

26:08 Speaker 4: Then you add, what about me? Is this idea of we're going to they're they're doing the NDA process now, and there's a path through arrow, and there's a path through pursue, and there's the UAPs are now it's like there's a prize.

26:30 Speaker 5: Okay, so who's going to be the guy?

26:32 Speaker 4: I get it, I get it.

26:33 Speaker 3: There, let's put your egos and that's what I mean that that's not it's stupid. Put your egos aside enough, and it's not about you. It's about the movement and about the people.

26:41 Speaker 5: That's how I see it.

26:42 Speaker 4: That's how you see it.

26:43 Speaker 3: But I know, I get, I get that's how they the public.

26:46 Speaker 4: Wants it to be there. You know, disclosure is a means to the end to an end for them, and that end is not disclosure in the way that the public in the community talks about it. Right, They each have incentives that are aligned which disclosure can help and gives them the platforms to do what they're trying to do. But none of it has to do with truth. None of it has to do with you know, what humanity needs to know and all the rest of it. It is on the one side, which you'll call it out your grush Carl Nell, Sean Kirkpatrick versus your loo and Jay Stratton and even Mellon and the people who are much more still connected to the institution and who's see their responsibilities still to the institutions and helping them manage disclosure as opposed to the other side, which is much more commercially motivated, and they are they are looking for enough disclosure to democratize the the the financial rewards that are available.

28:35 Speaker 2: And kind of being source contract.

28:39 Speaker 4: Right now, it's right now, it's this small, this small group they've seen the opportunity for Oh, this can be much bigger. But you know, some of the secrecy has to be broken.

28:53 Speaker 3: People are going to be rich instantly when this ship comes out with what it is that we've got. I get it, I get it entirely. But the problem is this, It's not it's like the egos have to stop because Okay, so here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking Elizona must have done some shit, and I'm not allegedly. And this is what I'm assuming based off of the ship that everyone says or rumors, et cetera about what he did in his past. He must have been into some really fucking dark ship that he was doing. And that's why guys like Grush don't want him being the face of it.

29:20 Speaker 2: That's what the UFO R is. Not the first czar he's been.

29:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

29:24 Speaker 5: I know he's tortures are and I know he's done some dark ship.

29:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent allegedly allegedly, And is what I'm saying. If I use common sense and assume that he has done these things, just like I'm gonna use common sense and assume that he is a part of the Legacy program or was at some point a part of Crash Retrievals, et cetera, and some way shape or formers was what I believe that he was. I think that's why Dave Grush don't want him being the u A p z R.

29:46 Speaker 4: Because agreed, you don't you don't need a I mean, I think you're putting too much value on the moral imperatives, you know, or the morality of any of these guys that that you know they care particular, particularly if they've been in the military.

30:00 Speaker 3: But I don't see like that.

30:02 Speaker 4: What they're upset about. What they're upset about is the power.

30:09 Speaker 2: Because even when you talk about like guys like Borland and again, no offense to go for them your opinion on them to them right now, no offense Dylan and Matthew. But you see these companies consistently popping up Vanguard Skywatcher. That's like the next They're all trying to do something that we're not seeing. It's and I'm trying to figure out what that is. And it sounds like, I mean, what is Vanguard?

30:41 Speaker 4: What are they?

30:42 Speaker 2: That's the whistleblower?

30:43 Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly what that is. It's for funding the whistleblower so they can have a safe avenue.

30:47 Speaker 2: Who's gonna fund the whistleblowers? This would all be donation based almost.

30:51 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, so there it's a found date.

30:52 Speaker 2: Right, We're gonna pay them, but they need to pay their salaries per well.

30:56 Speaker 4: I don't know how it's working. I mean, they haven't laid all they haven't laid all that out yet. But my understanding and if you look at it in the way that because there's already there's already something called the whistle Blowers Fund.

31:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know who runs that? Did you see who runs that?

31:11 Speaker 4: Because again but again that guy, because whistle blowers aren't exclusive to the U A P issue. They exist throughout all of government and things like that, right, So you know, an organization like that, and I would I would think that Van Guyard is very much, you know, handing in a similar direction, but is going to be more specific to the U A P issue. You know, first and foremost there are things you know, like legal assistance.

31:44 Speaker 2: The.

31:46 Speaker 3: Medical I forget and what is it the medical? When they harm medically they're they're.

31:51 Speaker 4: Right, so I forget what they getting those benefits. I forget what is doing right. So so they're you know, they're looking at a structure that supports those basic fundamentals.

32:04 Speaker 5: Lawyers and again stuff like that.

32:06 Speaker 4: I wouldn't say it becomes you know that it's they're looking forward to be some sort of you know, supplement to unemployment insurance. But you know, I would imagine the responsible thing to do is have some sort of program that matches people with employers who are sensitive.

32:24 Speaker 5: To their Yeah, I think I think that's what they're looking to do.

32:27 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know things like that.

32:28 Speaker 2: Well, that's I guess, so you can't put that in the same bracket.

32:30 Speaker 3: As like, no, no, no, this is not That's what I was gonna tell you know, this is if if I'm saying, if, if, what they're if, what I'm reading and what I've seen about it and what I've been told about it, it's a good thing.

32:43 Speaker 5: It truly is so.

32:44 Speaker 3: And and if and that's if they're going to be on the level and and and not and I and and from the minute the minuscule contact that I've had with the two of them and Jeffrey Nukatelli, they seem like stand up guys to me.

32:56 Speaker 4: That's my opinion.

32:59 Speaker 2: You see jesse My Goes interview with Dylan.

33:01 Speaker 4: Yes, it was outstanding.

33:02 Speaker 2: They talked about some I want to get some of what they talked about, because I mean, Dylan's now a lot more open. It seems something happened. I think it's this. I think it's because apparently O. D. And I.

33:18 Speaker 3: It's big, But.

33:19 Speaker 2: There's a big CrOx here. There's a variable that doesn't sit right with me, I suppose. And so what we're saying is O. D. And I or someone who represents the O D and I told Corbell about Project Rubik's Cube and that Dylan.

33:40 Speaker 5: To see if him yes about it, yes, and.

33:43 Speaker 2: Then specifically had something to do with the drawing of like Project Rubiscuban, then the pyramid and the hieroglyph, which is classified, which is a wild thing. I agree to classify. If it is classified, that's crazy. You just gave your end up by doing something like that.

34:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's how you know what's to be true. Yeah.

34:04 Speaker 3: But so there was there was four about it all, No, there was, there was, there was rumor to be four. They they lied, allegedly, they lied to Jeremy Corbell and said there was four drawings that Dylan made, not three.

34:18 Speaker 4: Four.

34:18 Speaker 5: There wasn't four.

34:19 Speaker 3: They said he drew a sensor system. And that was the thing to try and entrap Jeremy Corbel, to trick him into saying whether or not Dylan did it, like we know he did it, we know, blabblah bob.

34:28 Speaker 4: This is the fourth thing.

34:29 Speaker 3: Dylan never drew four allegedly, according to him, he never drew.

34:32 Speaker 4: He never drew.

34:33 Speaker 3: He's like, I wouldn't even know how to draw a fucking sensor system.

34:35 Speaker 4: How do you even draw that he.

34:37 Speaker 3: Drew a pyramid that the pyramid the freaking I'm assuming he drew the ship that had the the the outside uh lava lamp texture, and I'm assuming he drew the power source and the hieroglyph are the and whatever the hell product groups cubes are the three things that he drew.

34:55 Speaker 5: They lied and said there was a fourth.

34:56 Speaker 2: I am just so confused because did Dylan have a sighting or did he eventually get brought into something so much deeper? And that's what we're not hearing about. Is he implying that he was.

35:13 Speaker 3: Part of something he didn't imply He outwardly said he worked.

35:17 Speaker 4: While he was active duty, he had a sighting. Then after leaving active duty and he went into the contracting world. It wasn't that he was brought in. As he was sharing his experience with this sighting, somebody assumed that he had been read into a program that had something to.

35:42 Speaker 5: Do whatever because he knew a lot with because he.

35:48 Speaker 4: Because he knew he sort of knew a lot and and then went and you know, and started asking.

35:56 Speaker 3: Questions, and because because he because the one of the reasons he knew a lot, And I found this out from my conversation with limb Old Logan was Logan said Dylan, and Dylan even said it in his interview today that he was big on those message boards or whatever that they were all talking in. Is supposedly like one of the biggest growing message boards that there is was the UF for the Weird One, which is what Logan said, he'll probably talk about it during your interview. Yeah, and that's what he was saying, is Dylan was involved in that stuff.

36:25 Speaker 3: So I assume, and I'm gonna think that Dylan was contracting with something.

36:30 Speaker 4: Now.

36:30 Speaker 5: I don't think that he was a part of the UAP Task Force.

36:32 Speaker 4: I don't think that.

36:33 Speaker 3: At all, but I think he supported them in some way, shape or form.

36:36 Speaker 4: No, he still had the job that had to do with the Yes.

36:39 Speaker 5: Yeah, well no, he did drun, He flew the drones.

36:43 Speaker 3: He did a lot of the drones stuff, and then he knew about the drones from twenty twenty four.

36:47 Speaker 5: So I'm assuming that Dylan.

36:49 Speaker 3: Was either watching the drones in some way, shape or form, or he was I think it was something to do with recovery.

36:55 Speaker 4: That's what I think.

36:56 Speaker 3: I think he worked on the side with recovery, because he said, I have direct firsthand knowledge of crash retrievals, crash retovery blah blah blah blah blah, and the power source. How else would you know that unless you've done it, or you've seen it, or you've.

37:07 Speaker 6: Worked with it, or you supported it in taking it and something that, you know, whatever, it was, right, So, you know, but I think the idea of you know, I'm so confused.

37:20 Speaker 4: Good, that's exactly what they intend because again.

37:25 Speaker 3: You know that Wait, I'm sorry, what did you just say?

37:27 Speaker 4: Ty said, you know, uh, well, you know, I'm confused. I said, good, Yes, achieve their goal.

37:32 Speaker 3: No, but if you listen, it's not so much you achieved his goal. Is he literally tells you everything. You have to listen. No, but they all do, even Lakatski. If you listen to that third interview, that dude tells you fucking everything. Right, we've had disclosure, you're just not seeing it. You're getting disclosure with these briefs, these these freaking trances.

37:49 Speaker 4: Well, right, we're just not seeing the well, you're not seeing the you're not seeing the meat. You're not seeing the meat and potato.

37:55 Speaker 3: Right, And like Logan said that the little twenty thirty second clips them ships are even it's long. Yeah, and and the and the guy watching it. And that's also what I think. I think Dylan was also one of those people monitoring platforms watching for this ship, and he'd probably hit up Logan and go, yo, check check camera, blah blah blah.

38:12 Speaker 5: And this is what I'm assuming. It's all allegedlies. I've been told.

38:14 Speaker 7: Any of this, I'm not.

38:15 Speaker 3: You know, I'm not revealing. This is what I'm assuming. And I'm basing this off of conversations or things that I've not conversation I've had, but things that I've seen or things that he said with that interview that he was I listened to it almost twice a day.

38:26 Speaker 4: It was outstanding.

38:27 Speaker 3: Holy shit, you haven't you haven't heard yet.

38:30 Speaker 4: No, because again, I I'm coming at the issue from an entirely dive.

38:37 Speaker 3: I know you're looking at a different You're like, you're not you're not a skeptic, but you look at I'm more of Oh my god, I'm more of a believer because of the ship that i've right, and that's.

38:45 Speaker 4: What I believe, one hundred percent right. But I I'm sort of imposed a little bit of self discipline and self rest.

38:56 Speaker 3: You look at it from what you do for me, he did a profession.

38:58 Speaker 4: I get it exactly, you know.

39:00 Speaker 3: And I'm looking at it from an experiencer who's right.

39:03 Speaker 4: They've you know, the my entry into this world and reception and what I've gone through with my father in law's work has and and my view coming into this. As I look at the landscape, I see the I see the game that was being played right right, and I recognize most people do not see the game that's that's at hand, and so you know, there are some But what I've where I finally landed with this was that if I'm going to be of use anywhere, I've got to be of use in trying to help, you know, help others from the business, finance, economic side, get ahead of what's happening, because there is going to be such monumental change that flows from it.

40:14 Speaker 4: These same you know, And a little bit is out of out of spite for all of these key figures. I mean, for the most part, I don't have I have little to no respect. You can name a name and I likely have little to no respect for them. Anymore. But after surveying this landscape and and seeing what they're doing for their own benefits,

40:49 Speaker 4: and that they're they're lying through their teeth and they're misrepresenting, and they are they're being disingenuous.

40:58 Speaker 2: I miss this.

40:59 Speaker 4: Give me a name.

41:00 Speaker 2: Oh you're oh general really well, Zonda?

41:05 Speaker 4: Yes, you mean you know Jesse Michaels, I mean, useful idiot in the Do you think.

41:16 Speaker 2: They have handlers?

41:17 Speaker 3: Yes, whether it's through they you think you think like the big podcasters have handlers.

41:22 Speaker 2: Really, here's what I think. I actually don't. So even if Peter Keel has a handler, I would consider Jesse.

41:31 Speaker 4: Controlled that here right, here's the thing about it.

41:34 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that's true. I'm just saying, like if Gene was if Gene was a CIA agent, you would consider me compromise. Right, If I'm compromised, she's compromised by happenstance.

41:47 Speaker 4: Wasn't he.

41:52 Speaker 2: Gene? You fucking me?

41:55 Speaker 4: What I'm saying is this, Wait a minute, I handled No.

41:59 Speaker 3: No, they put the fucking they put the wrong handler on the both of us.

42:03 Speaker 4: I tell you that.

42:03 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like they put him on usidding me.

42:10 Speaker 4: Ship boy, do you guys pick the wrong guy?

42:13 Speaker 5: No, no, no fucking we're going We're all going rogue. And this is the most rebellious motherfucker there is.

42:18 Speaker 4: You know, handler is probably the wrong word in the sense that people will think about it that there's you know, somebody in a suit, you know, sitting right that shows up once a month, and things like that. For all of this, for all of the different factions, let's call them. Right, you do not need conspiracy, you do not need collaboration,

42:50 Speaker 4: you do not need intent, right, what what is the machinery behind the operation? Are the incentives?

43:07 Speaker 2: Interesting?

43:08 Speaker 4: And each faction's incentives are aligned so that no one of them that for any one of them to try and disrupt another's incentives hurts their own incentive naturally, So they all have a degree of cooperation for self preservation. That's happening. And somebody like me as an individual, somebody like you know, even potentially you guys and others who your incentives are much different. Yeah, and your incentives are not necessarily aligned with theirs. So you're not a threat, right, You're not something that needs to be managed, not necessarily something that could be managed.

44:17 Speaker 4: Right. There has to be a mechanism. There has to be a motivation, and we used to the old term for it. They used to call it mice. Was the acronym that when you wanted to recruit an asset, you use this acronym to the mice acronym to figure.

44:39 Speaker 3: Out what.

44:41 Speaker 4: Motivation, money, ideology, whether they are compromised or corruptible, or whether they can be extorted.

44:52 Speaker 2: Dying family members mofucker dying. If your wife's dying and you have no money, oh yeah, you.

45:00 Speaker 3: Push, that's the easiest.

45:04 Speaker 4: So but that's the approach right now. Once they get in there and they're like and then and they start getting to know you over coffee and they're like, geez time, sorry, sorry to hear about your wife. And you're like, I can't fucking wait until she goes my god, da da dad. Well, now they're gonna be like, oh, we can't.

45:22 Speaker 2: Use that he's a psychopath.

45:26 Speaker 4: No, it's it's just that them offering them offering to help their wife get the world's best medical care. Like that, now that's off the table. Now they got to figure out what, you know, what else it is. And they're like, oh, well times, because you know, she got a big insurance policy. You're like, no, but you don't have nothing. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna go into the hole one I bury her, but I'm just gonna be glad to get rid of her. And d okay. So so money isn't a motivation for you necessarily, right, They're like, well, you know, are you going to need some help getting that?

46:02 Speaker 2: Now?

46:02 Speaker 4: I'm fine, I got so that might not be it. So now they're going to try and find, you know, another angle, right, and then you're like, you know, they're like, well, you know, what are you going to do when you go you know, and you're like, oh, I'm gonna you know, my my thing is I like to you know, dress up like an animal and you know, snuggle you know other people, you know what is it? Right? The furries? Like s furries? That's my thing.

46:26 Speaker 5: He did not pull this out randomly people, I've seen the costumes, right.

46:30 Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is then that then they're gonna be like, oh is that something? Well, you know, I keep it quiet. Boom now they know. Now they've got something compromise, and he's gonna be like, well, you know what, I'm into that too. Let's you know they're gonna get your photos that. Yeah, So I'm saying it's a you know, it's a process. So you know, in the way of any of these figures, right, and and if you think about again, just look at look at behaviors, right, look at the behaviors, look at you know, what's going on with him in this and that?

47:05 Speaker 2: Okay, to a core question, do you think Alexondo is a lynchpin between the government, the military and the population right now? Do you think that he is out to control the valve to control them?

47:28 Speaker 4: For me, I don't. I don't think he's I don't think he's out to control the valve. I think he is. And he has positioned himself as the best answer for the government, for the government to manage what needs to be managed.

47:52 Speaker 2: Because that's where I'm getting a little bit bogged down. Is like, if Alexando is saying he's for disclosure, he he's justice. He left his job in government to finish the mission. And the mission if the mission is disclosure, why is he always reverting back to well.

48:11 Speaker 4: Because the mission can't be disclosure. It can't be right, right, Because if the government's mission was disclosure, then you would have had disclosure.

48:19 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

48:20 Speaker 4: The government's mission. The government's mission is to control disclosure. Right.

48:25 Speaker 2: But he left government only but now he still works in government. He's openly amidst this. So did he leave government or did he need to leave government?

48:32 Speaker 4: Well he didn't. He openly admitted. Then he didn't lead because.

48:35 Speaker 2: He's always like, oh, I still maintain a clearance.

48:38 Speaker 4: He's maintaining clean. The guy.

48:40 Speaker 3: The guys still employed, right, So that's a good he's still employed.

48:43 Speaker 4: Right, that's a good thing to talk through. So you know who gets to do that when you when you end your service with the government, your clearance ends.

48:52 Speaker 5: That it goes by by. It doesn't stick around.

48:55 Speaker 4: That even goes for presidents. It doesn't stick around just because you've been in a skiff, right, Like, it just doesn't. The day your employment ends, your clearance ends. Now like for a president, the executive Office of the President continues to sponsor a clearance for you because you were the president. Right. It's a a courtesy clapper. The former intelligence officials, you know, former secretaries, they they allow them that privilege so that they can still in their you know, new civilian roles and speaking be.

49:35 Speaker 2: Informed advisory kind of right, they don't.

49:38 Speaker 4: They don't get the same level of briefing that they got before. They don't, you know, they don't can't walk in and open files and and and stuff like that. They're there's there's guide rails around all of this. So for but for a normal person, right who isn't a flag officer, a secretary an official capacity, it.

50:04 Speaker 2: Ends Okay, there's no limbo period.

50:08 Speaker 4: Or after the seconds. So once you're once, it's done that second.

50:15 Speaker 2: So you every time you get a new job with the United States government or military, you need to reapply and be responsored for your They need to sponsor that clearance.

50:24 Speaker 4: So the investigation, the investigation for whatever level of clearance that you mike and the chat's cracking me up, whatever level of clearance it is that you hold, each one has a different requirement for how often it needs to be refreshed that you need to go through the investigation again and you're level as far as as far as I remember back in the day, it was like five years for I'm sorry, ten years for a seat for Clarence, five years for a top secret clearance, and then other areas you know, the top secret Yankee White, t SSCI.

51:11 Speaker 4: All of those might have additional you know, annual requirements on certain aspects of things that you know find usually requires you know, financial disclosures and shit like that or whatnot. So when you leave service, if you just had one done three years ago, right, and you leave service after three years and you have a top secret clarance, that investigation is still good for seven years. Okay, Okay. Now you go get a job in a contract with a contractor company or another part of government picks you up, then they have to sponsor your clearance.

51:57 Speaker 4: They that's when they go into the system. They have to pull your clearance into their organization, and then they have to monitor whatever it is that needs to be monitored that goes along with that clearance.

52:13 Speaker 2: Now, say say I have a top secret whatever clearance, right the top one like above top seams, but you can see you can see UFOs basically, and I leave government, I go to lockeed Martin.

52:29 Speaker 3: Contract and they're cleared because you.

52:31 Speaker 2: Know they're always like unless you have the clearance, I can't say it. What is that a blanket thing?

52:37 Speaker 1: Like?

52:37 Speaker 2: If I leave and I get really I get re cleared with Lockey, can I talk to a Lockey employee about what I learned in government. No, that's still off limits.

52:47 Speaker 4: Because again then it's because need to know?

52:49 Speaker 2: So then why does it so?

52:51 Speaker 4: So this is? This is that and which you've heard need to know? Right, this becomes so this is This is where again you can sometimes separate the cream from the chaff, right from the shaft, weak from the chaff in these discussions. Because you have a TSSCI clearance, because you can access a database, you do not have the right to look at anything that's in there.

53:20 Speaker 2: See. I think this is a big misconception.

53:23 Speaker 4: It's a huge misconception.

53:24 Speaker 2: This is why I bring it up. I'm trying to be a layman here. I know some of these answers, but right because like I think people think like, oh shit, you have top secret clearance. You can just walk into any room and be like no.

53:36 Speaker 4: That's why.

53:37 Speaker 3: That's why when Matt Brown found that folder of ship it wasn't supposed to be where it was like, he was like, this is not supposed to be here.

53:43 Speaker 4: And I also think that Matt Brown was doing another job than what he could say.

53:46 Speaker 2: There are so.

53:48 Speaker 4: For instance, when I when I work security at headquarters US Air Forces Europe. Right, and I used to have to escort the cleaners into the general's office. Right. This is the Commander of US Air Forces Europe, Commander Allied Air Force, not just commander in chief. To think, it's called the commander in chief, Commander in chief, Allied Commander in Chief, US Air Forces Europe, Allied Air Forces Central Europe. And on his desk because he might be at a meeting, you have whatever. His office itself is basically a skiff, right, and so there's document with the covers, you know, cosmic, top secret, top secret, secrets, whatever.

54:43 Speaker 4: Because I have a clarence, I can't just be like, oh, what's that, I have the clarence. I can look at it, dear diary, Diary. I'm saying, he turned into like a six paigenis. Yeah, you know, I have the clearance, the authority or I don't have a need to know. I can't look at it because it's there and it's it might be interesting.

55:11 Speaker 2: So the act of reading one in is that that is where you get the authorities into right.

55:20 Speaker 4: So yeah, so I have well, let's finish on the civilian aspects of this. So myself and my roles that I had, right, so I was inside these oil companies, my clearance had to be still sponsored by a government agency because they because the government wanted me to have information that they wanted me to be aware of to guide the decisions that were being made for the oil company, right, right, and so you know, but at some point where like, but you know, this is something I really need this guy to know, so can we get him a clearance or can we get him read in?

56:11 Speaker 4: And then they would read him in for this very specific thing. In the same way, there were things where depending on the agency or even a foreign government would want to read me in to something interesting that was important and you know, relevant to the work that I was doing. And then we had then they had other systems. They had a lot of you know, public private sector, public being government, public private sector working groups, coordinating committees, things like that. When there were moments, So there were moments where somebody you know in government would call, you know, the office phone or send an email and be like, can you get to a skiff?

57:06 Speaker 4: Can you get to a secure line? And I would have to call like the the local FBI office and identify myself. And I mean most of the times it was where I was working anyway, so I already knew them. I'd be like, so and so needs me to call them. I need to you know, I need to use the secure line you can go in. Back then it was with the key and ship you turned the key in an agriff James. Yeah. But you know it's like, so those are the types of relationships that are that are therefore established. So the idea that

57:46 Speaker 4: that I got mad about what's happening in my job, and I left the government and I am going to become a citizen and I am going to advocate for this thing as a private citizen. Right. They like that? Is that what they want? More? I just look at look at the camera. That's what I see. How do I not laugh at that? How do I not laugh at that? Bro? So the idea, the idea, All right, there's this huge government secret that needs to be brought to the public. I'm the guy who's going to bring it to the public.

58:30 Speaker 4: I'm resigning from my job because I am so dedicated to bringing this issue forward, right, and I'm going to do it as a private citizen.

58:40 Speaker 2: Right, But you're super limited.

58:43 Speaker 4: Who's keeping your clearance then?

58:48 Speaker 2: Or you're super limited or your ability to do something.

58:51 Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's not that, you know, not not at all. I mean again, you can do it as a private citizen, and you can do it with out your clearance, and yes, then you would have to make those statements.

59:07 Speaker 2: Like can I talk about that?

59:08 Speaker 4: I can't talk about that because, right, I still can't talk about because I'm a private citizen. But I don't have any new information. You know, this is what it was when I left. I don't know what it is now.

59:23 Speaker 2: Why do you think lou won't go into crash retrieval?

59:25 Speaker 4: I've never heard any of them say that.

59:27 Speaker 5: Why do you think because he was involved in it?

59:31 Speaker 2: Why do you think won't talk about crash atrieve?

59:34 Speaker 4: Why won't you say it, Jeane?

59:37 Speaker 2: Why that's topic?

59:39 Speaker 4: But again, you know, I don't know that he would be involved in them. He might have some knowledge of them, for sure, he may very well not have any knowledge of it, you know, whatsoever, he may he may really just have a knowledge of policy. And you know it's like because again not you know, not all intel is equal,

1:00:06 Speaker 4: and you know ninety nine percent of it is is unsexy, you know, desk analytical stuff like that, right, right, and and you know, of course there's you know, there's a skill set you developed through the years. You you know, you know how to do this stuff. You just so, I mean, and that's what I'm saying. And again for me, for me, my and what I'm pursuing. I don't give a ship what he was involved in. It's it's irrelevant to me what their actual jobs were, what they did, what they had access to, what they saw, what they touched.

1:00:50 Speaker 4: They fucking licked it. I don't know, it doesn't None of it makes a difference. It makes zero different There could be three alien species, there could be three million of them. They can be walking along the street. None of it actually matters to what is actually happening.

1:01:15 Speaker 2: How does that not affect what's happening now?

1:01:19 Speaker 4: Because none of that is going to be revealed or shared or that's all a distraction.

1:01:30 Speaker 2: This is this is only about into a standby mode.

1:01:35 Speaker 4: Good what covers? Just keep going, keep yeah, yeah, yeah, what's doing that?

1:01:46 Speaker 1: Of course?

1:01:47 Speaker 4: You know, I mean because because the motive you think that that, I don't know, the the incentive. It's like that these guys, drafter, I can see it.

1:02:02 Speaker 7: We have some strange shit.

1:02:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it looks like it's pulling.

1:02:06 Speaker 4: Focus for some reason because there's something walking in between you two, potentially just walking in front of the lamp.

1:02:12 Speaker 3: We didn't do that box thing, did we We're just gonna do that box thing. Remember you had the box. You're gonna talk?

1:02:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna do that. We have plenty of time. What I'm saying, I want to do you know, like looking for like electronic voice phenomenon.

1:02:25 Speaker 4: We were gonna do it.

1:02:25 Speaker 5: I was gonna come earlier.

1:02:26 Speaker 4: We're gonna do it. No, he's got one, so we could do it. I can do it. I'll drop I'll come here tomorrow. Yeah, we can do it. We'll do it tomorrow. We'll film tomorrow or some ship the.

1:02:37 Speaker 2: What so.

1:02:38 Speaker 4: So that's what I'm saying. It's that is all. That's all well and fun, that's all filler material, all.

1:02:46 Speaker 2: Right, But what about when someone says, what about when Dylan Borland on a podcast with Jesse Michael says that the O D and I highly uh highly not emphasize what's the word implied that humans are not in charge of the cover up in the secrecy.

1:03:11 Speaker 4: It would make sense to.

1:03:13 Speaker 2: Me believe that that could be a possibility that the odni had actually knows such a thing. They would imply it to a guy like Dylan Borland. But you don't think that matters right now.

1:03:23 Speaker 4: None of it matters. So it makes me wonder, what else do you think?

1:03:26 Speaker 3: Okay, I think that I've only Okay, this is gonna sound absolutely bashit crazy, but that's what I've always felt, that something else is in charge, not us.

1:03:34 Speaker 5: It would explain all.

1:03:35 Speaker 3: The fucking disabilization globally that goes on, as far as with like Europe just flooding their things with random mass people. Same thing here would makes sense human eye. It just keep the humans distracted so we could just do whatever the fuck we want to humanity. Then you've got large chunks of humans disappearing. So you have three hundred thousand children just peered. No one knows what the fuck they went right in the United States disappeared Boom gone number two. It makes me wonder what the fuck was Dylan Borland doing that.

1:03:58 Speaker 3: This guy can talk to him like that and say the aliens are in charge? What did what was Dylan Borlan exposed to?

1:04:03 Speaker 4: What does he know? What does he dealt with? You talk listen to me.

1:04:06 Speaker 5: He, like Jeane just said.

1:04:07 Speaker 3: Dylan Borland was in the military for three years. He retired out of the military and went right into contracting because he says it in this interview that he wanted to be whatever it was in the government. He wants to work for the government and work, but he wanted but he also wanted to work for the government. That's he wants to retire working for the government. The dude worked for almost ten years as a contractor doing god knows what, and we know that he supported Lenvall Logan. Logan says it in my interview.

1:04:33 Speaker 3: He and Borland even said it in that interview. If you watch that interview, he tells you everything.

1:04:37 Speaker 2: So when I interview lenvill and I and I bring up Dylan Borland supporting UAP Task Force to see what he says, He's gonna tell me that. Yet he did.

1:04:46 Speaker 4: I don't know see what he says.

1:04:47 Speaker 3: He kind of alluded to it with me, but I didn't get clarification and he still wouldn't clarify it. So I'll be very diff' But I'm also basing this. You watched the interview today, right, I've watched it twice on the right up here mostly and yours.

1:05:02 Speaker 2: You apparently don't watch mine.

1:05:03 Speaker 5: Oh I will watch the interview. I just have not had time.

1:05:07 Speaker 3: He basically said that he was doing other jobs for for other contracting companies, but he didn't really specify what he went into. I remember he's going hypothetically, this hypothetically that there's no hypotheticals, right, so what about arm so And this is just why I'm assuming.

1:05:23 Speaker 2: The reason where it supersedes if like, right, what did he just said? So? If if there is an NHI that's in control, that's got its fingers or whatever it has, it.

1:05:37 Speaker 3: Would make logistical sense. It would make logistical sense. Look, how the world's been for twenty five years.

1:05:42 Speaker 4: What are we doing about that?

1:05:43 Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying if it's in nothing, what can we do if we aren't armed with what we need to be armed with. If if there's some overlord alien that means and that sounds.

1:05:57 Speaker 4: Stupid, but no it doesn't really. I think that's a great idea. If there's if there is some overlord alien that has controlled the progression for me of mankind over the last however many millennia.

1:06:11 Speaker 3: Fifty years, I say, fifty thousands, of years. They've been here for thousands of years for sure, history.

1:06:17 Speaker 4: Right and right, and let's say the Rockefellers and the Queen of England and reptilian lizard people and all the rest.

1:06:27 Speaker 2: Of that, right, every National enquire story.

1:06:29 Speaker 4: So I got to tell you, for all the things that I are messed up, they've done a pretty good job. And I gotta tell you, I don't think that from from the normal people that I've interacted with and seen in life, I don't think they could do any better of a job managing people in society and global You know, people can hardly manage their own fucking lives and their own house.

1:07:06 Speaker 5: People are lemmings. People are lemmings period, follow the leader exactly.

1:07:10 Speaker 4: So you know what, it shock and surprise me that there's a master race that's controlling us, you know, or a master species one.

1:07:21 Speaker 3: I just want to know.

1:07:22 Speaker 5: I just want to know if it's true or not.

1:07:24 Speaker 4: That's it.

1:07:24 Speaker 3: I just want to know the truth.

1:07:25 Speaker 2: But you're saying it doesn't matter because there's.

1:07:28 Speaker 4: Nothing you can do about it. Think about it, do you think?

1:07:32 Speaker 3: But this isn't I guess, And I'd rather take the red pill all day and know the truth and and be out of and be out of the matrix, bang and carry moss in real life than in the bullshit simulation. I'm not saying take the blue pill. I'm saying there's nothing we can do about it, is what he's saying.

1:07:46 Speaker 4: I'm saying that this is offers you a pill. Right, there's no pill. Right.

1:07:51 Speaker 3: We're just in the world now, right, So we're just sitting here. We know, you know something, we know what the reality is. There's nothing we can do to change it. But if there is, we would take I would take that in hard and.

1:08:01 Speaker 4: Fault to be sorry. Your default seemed to be that, Oh, if I know there's an alien overlord, then I need to fight.

1:08:08 Speaker 2: Oh I never said fight. I never said fight. I don't like the threat narrative. That's why I said it sounds stupid when I say alien overlord. But if there is a species that's equivalent, you know, not again take this loosely, but like someone controlling the sims. Right, if there is someone like at the video game control this, there is someone that's in control of that or many avatar, many things that are in control of it. How could that not matter reality? That's that would be our reality, right, Is it better to be ignorant and list fault or know what you're dealing with and not able to do anything about it.

1:09:07 Speaker 4: So it's the difference between knowing that God made your transmission blow and now you gotta fucking get a new car and transmission, or Joe the sixth tentacled alien made your car engine blow because it's part of a game that.

1:09:28 Speaker 3: He's like, watch me fuck with his YouTube.

1:09:30 Speaker 4: What's the difference?

1:09:32 Speaker 2: Oh, the outcome is not different, is what you're saying. It doesn't change what happens.

1:09:36 Speaker 5: Because what you're saying, your life goes on. You know about it, but your life still goes on, right, fair enough.

1:09:42 Speaker 4: And instead of you being like, God, please help me fix translate mission, you're gonna be tell the alien go on.

1:09:50 Speaker 4: What's the fucking difference?

1:09:52 Speaker 2: Okay?

1:09:52 Speaker 4: Then then.

1:09:55 Speaker 2: Is the is disclosure really not about the truth or is it about or is it all has been about the exploitation and the enrichment of that person that can do it, or that entity, that government agency, whatever it is. Legacy program, even though you don't think a legacy program exactly exists. You're saying this has always been about the money.

1:10:23 Speaker 4: Okay, sorry.

1:10:24 Speaker 2: Is it about the money and the exploitation of the technology, or is it about the truth and the awareness of the public. You're arguing that it's about the form.

1:10:35 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm arguing it's about that anything other than the truth than awareness to So here's the thing. The United States government, the officers of the United States government, first and foremost responsibility is to preserve the institutions.

1:10:57 Speaker 2: Naturally, Okay, right, I see where you're going.

1:11:01 Speaker 4: First and foremost, that's it. Telling the public the truth does not at all in that equation. They need to preserve the institutions. So the government is never going to do anything nor make any decision that jeopardizes the institutions of the United States.

1:11:28 Speaker 2: You see why. That's backwards.

1:11:29 Speaker 4: The continuity, the continuity. Have you guys seen it of that?

1:11:34 Speaker 2: Have you seen Annie Jacobson's or have you have you heard about her book, her new book?

1:11:41 Speaker 4: Don't even know who it is?

1:11:42 Speaker 2: You guys don't know Annie Jacobson familiar if she did the book about the nuke the nukes really Jamie pull it up.

1:11:55 Speaker 3: I'm like looking around, where the hell is Jamie?

1:11:57 Speaker 5: We got to get a Jamie at some point.

1:12:00 Speaker 2: So any Jacobs isn't an author.

1:12:02 Speaker 4: She assumed that since she was writing books, Yeah, I reached that conclusion of.

1:12:06 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, great, that's great.

1:12:09 Speaker 5: I love it, not making movies.

1:12:13 Speaker 2: So she wrote a new book about biological weapon. She goes into a lot of these things about continuity of government, right, and how they have a plan for every evolution. So not so evolution with a D devolution right, So that's weird, right, So what does that mean? Not evolving? You're going backwards? What scenarios would lead to devolution? A nuclear weapon going off? Well maybe maybe, because arguably we all die if nuke is off. But if a biological weapon gets set out.

1:12:54 Speaker 4: Off all the time, they test them all the time, right, but you know that, you know what I mean?

1:12:59 Speaker 2: Like if.

1:13:01 Speaker 4: Right, So it's a show. We gotta make it entertained.

1:13:03 Speaker 2: Right, So if someone sett a biological agent off in the United States, they have a continuity of government plan that kicks right in, that's already in place. Right now. The people that are a part of it know that they're a part of it, because they have to know that they're a part of it. So do you think now there's a reason I'm bringing this up what's going on. I feel a lot of I feel a lot of

1:13:29 Speaker 2: something weird.

1:13:31 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's the same guy that's saying that he can't hear us. But he's the only person. So everyone, wonderful.

1:13:42 Speaker 2: Hold on, I'm listening to us, right, is he talking about.

1:13:48 Speaker 4: He says, no, Gene's fine. Hell, this is what it's still.

1:14:00 Speaker 3: What the camera is sucking up, bro, it's doing that weird. It's making pulse and it's giving people motions sickness.

1:14:09 Speaker 4: You know what that means.

1:14:10 Speaker 3: More Gene.

1:14:13 Speaker 4: On the screen. More Jeane, all day, all night, All Jeane. It's all Jeane, all day, all night here on the Total Disclosure Podcast. Oh that sounds good. I can hear myself.

1:14:28 Speaker 4: All right, we're just gonna I don't technical.

1:14:31 Speaker 3: I don't feel it in this room in this moment, so I don't think it's here. Not saying that it can't be, but it's it could be fucking with the camera.

1:14:37 Speaker 4: I don't know. But the dog's really calm right now.

1:14:40 Speaker 7: So that's.

1:14:44 Speaker 5: You can hear me, just fine? Okay, is it still doing it?

1:14:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, that could be it. So just switch so we'll pop your other one. I don't want you not to be on camera. My man, Yeah, where was I Let's keep going. The people are here. People want people want to see more mean Geene. People want more Gene.

1:15:16 Speaker 3: Well, I'm just shocked because the last time we were all here together, you were great asleep in this room. Yeah technical just when I'm here. Yeah, but you know what we can do? Can you the video? I said, Jess, can you play that so people can.

1:15:41 Speaker 2: No?

1:15:42 Speaker 3: All right, because I was gonna because peop, because people were asking. People were like calling me a liar about the lamp there, like the lamp is bullshit.

1:15:51 Speaker 4: I don't know.

1:15:52 Speaker 5: They're like, oh, he fucking rigged it.

1:15:54 Speaker 4: He was faking. I go, bro.

1:15:55 Speaker 3: It is an hour and forty minutes into the into the live stream. It was not planned. We were literally just breaking balls, remember, and he said do the light and I was like, hell, yeah, do the light because the light was visible, and then she did. Well, then I said do the light. I want you to mess with that light. Right now, people are thinking it's fake.

1:16:12 Speaker 5: I'm like, bro, it's a regular lamp. It's just plugged into the wall.

1:16:17 Speaker 2: Guys, I'm just gonna be heard and not seen. But if you want to call someone a liar, call me a liar, and I'll tell you this. I shall have the whole fucking documentary that we did because someone asked me to stage something in the Bridgewater Triangle. So before you call anyone anything, come talk to me because I'll tell.

1:16:40 Speaker 4: You what happened.

1:16:41 Speaker 2: And you don't have to call veto anything or claim that he did. If it was anyone, it would be me. And again, we all go to our creator at the end of our lives and we're gonna or we go to Joe Dailien.

1:16:56 Speaker 3: It's just it's funny because like my saying that, yeah, people people straight up people thought we were bullshitting.

1:17:04 Speaker 5: People thought it was like you had a switch.

1:17:06 Speaker 4: Or you were activa.

1:17:08 Speaker 3: Bro, it's a regular lamp, like you're at a kitchen counter. There's nothing special about it.

1:17:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not even as not.

1:17:14 Speaker 4: But that's the thing.

1:17:15 Speaker 3: The one knows, No one knows what your setup is.

1:17:16 Speaker 5: I don't realize you're sitting.

1:17:17 Speaker 2: In a kitchen fair enough, fair enough, but where were we?

1:17:21 Speaker 1: What?

1:17:22 Speaker 4: Shane?

1:17:23 Speaker 2: Why do you think? Why do you I mean, so this has always been about so devolution. We're talking about devolution. So if a biological weapon goes continue goverment. So there's already people that know that they're a part of this devolution plan, right, And with do you because I've always thought about this, we always talk about does the plant the government have a plan for alien contact? Arguably alien you're seeing it would come with some sort of risk of biological cantamp the nation. Just like the Native Americans and the colonists, right, they brought diseases with them that were unknown to this land, wipes through the native population.

1:18:11 Speaker 2: Are we running that risk with an alien contact or do you.

1:18:14 Speaker 4: Think that possible? But positively?

1:18:17 Speaker 2: I mean again, it's and do you think that the government has put that into place? Like sure, if if something were to crash, we need to be ready for like global killoff. So this is that's another thing about these crash retiefs that don't get.

1:18:37 Speaker 4: But this is, you know, this is essentially the core of you know, the core of FEMA as you know, as an as an institution, right, you know, to to coordinate and have this one centralized federal system for managing all of these things, right, and it crosses over you know, I mean in the in the oil and gas world, I worked a lot with FEMA. I have I have dozens of FEMA certifications and FEMA trainings and all of that. You know, that's all about the you know, national national response plan and in national incident you know management Above all those, there's continuity of government, right, So it's why within the higher so.

1:19:38 Speaker 2: There's no population to govern? Who gives a fuck about continuity of government? What the fuck are we talking about?

1:19:45 Speaker 5: Because it's it's like he said, with egos that.

1:19:49 Speaker 2: In the Constitution that the government is for and by.

1:19:52 Speaker 4: The people, for the people, by the people.

1:19:54 Speaker 3: Ask people that they always forget the.

1:19:56 Speaker 2: Continuity of government. I feel like it is a direct conundrum all that center.

1:20:01 Speaker 4: No, it's it's it's it's yourself. It's inherent to.

1:20:05 Speaker 2: What about what about?

1:20:08 Speaker 4: Hold on?

1:20:08 Speaker 2: What about? Now? Heated? What about?

1:20:11 Speaker 4: But you're talking, but you're you're saying two different things.

1:20:14 Speaker 3: It's the same thing, like like, if God forbid, we get a nuclear attack, right, what do they do? They fucking take the president everybody else?

1:20:19 Speaker 4: Why?

1:20:19 Speaker 3: But it's not themselves. They protect America as a whole. They see the government as America, right, So they're protecting sovereign start the population, right, But unfortunately that's what it is. They're protecting the sovereignty of our nation. So what constitution was written for? So it's based on protecting it. That's the whole reason. So I get it entirely.

1:20:38 Speaker 4: That in the most in the most extreme, unimaginable, uh circumstances, that the United States can still exist?

1:20:48 Speaker 2: Is that why when locker be happened, they warned only the internal government and they let the passengers get on those planes even know that they knew there was a terrorist threat against panamp flights.

1:20:57 Speaker 4: I don't know that.

1:20:58 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, why is the government operating? They've always been operating there on their own.

1:21:05 Speaker 4: Because the government is what did I just say they wanted?

1:21:08 Speaker 2: But again I'm saying, do you see why that is?

1:21:10 Speaker 4: They're looking after the institutions. You're interpreting is they're looking after themselves. They're not. They're looking after the institutions. Any individual at any given time, at any given disaster will just be sitting in the seat.

1:21:30 Speaker 2: So it's much like have you ever have you Because I would argue, I would argue that that the senators and people that are doe four years, I don't even think they're important to some of these people.

1:21:42 Speaker 4: Have you ever heard the story of the ceramic cup.

1:21:46 Speaker 4: So there was a we have a ceramic cup. There was a I'll just I'll use I'll use my yetti, I'll use my yetti mug. We'll call it the tail of the YETI munk. So there's a sorry, I'm I don't remember the name of the guy who tells his story, but when he was when he was an under secretary in the federal government, he got invited to speak at a conference. Right and when he was under secretary, they booked his travel car met him at the airport, brought him to the hotel, picked him up in the gave him his schedule, picked him up in the morning, brought him to the conference, and when he got to the conference they handed him a ceramic mug of coffee.

1:22:37 Speaker 4: When he asked for coffee, they brought it to him in a ceramic mug. The next time that conference happened, he was no longer the under secretary, and he got invited to speak at the same conference again, and he had to book his own travel, and he had to get from the airport to the hotel, and he had to get himself to the conference center in the morning, and when he asked for a cup of coffee. Somebody said, yep, it's right over there, and he went over and he grabbed a styrofoam cup and he filled up his coffee.

1:23:16 Speaker 4: And it was in that moment he thought about the nice ceramic mug that he had the previous time, and he realized that mug was never for him. That mug was for the office and the position that he held.

1:23:36 Speaker 5: In that moment, I see where you're going, and that that was life goes.

1:23:41 Speaker 4: On a privilege of that office. That somebody came and handed him his coffee in a ceramic mug and paid for his pad. And this is what people lose when they spend a lot of time in government and things like that, or they spend a lot of time in any kind of position of reportance, is that they forget that it is not about them, That somebody else has sat in that seat before, and somebody will sit in that seat after. And you know, it's funny. There was a whistler Mike still on. He'll remember, Yes, we were having a space and there was some girl who got on there and started talking about how irreplaceable she was in her job.

1:24:31 Speaker 4: She was a federal contract and she was irreplaceable. And I said to her, if you think that you were irreplaceable, you were setting yourself up for one of the biggest disappointments you will ever have in life. And then she wanted to argue about it, and I dropped her down, So just just replaced her right there on the chat. But it is, you know, it is that idea, and that is an inherent and in recognizing that, right. I remember even working at Shell and being in the hang there was a guy you know, when you saw him, he was wearing something that had that pectin on it, and he was mister Company and all the rest of it.

1:25:18 Speaker 4: And one morning he missed a meeting fired, the secretary tried calling the apartments and all that. They sent people over to check on him. He was dead in his bowl of cereal.

1:25:29 Speaker 2: Damn right it yeahs.

1:25:37 Speaker 7: The next day I.

1:25:39 Speaker 4: Remember walking in and there was a one of the kiosks that you know informations on had a piece of paper taped over it had his picture in memorial of and dah da da da dada and gone next week, right. And then later that afternoon the job was posted.

1:26:00 Speaker 3: You're knocking that side, right, and you applied for the job and got it.

1:26:09 Speaker 5: And I got the job.

1:26:13 Speaker 4: You know, you're everybody is always replaceable. But that's life, brother. But the idea, the contrast to that is things like the Constitution and the continuity of government exists because the United States is not replaceable, and that ensures that no matter what, we are not replaceable. That the United States itself might exit, might experience the most catastrophic event that we ever have experienced, but no other nation, every other nation, and we might be the only ones that experience this event, and it could be limited to only our borders.

1:27:05 Speaker 4: Yet no other nation can lay claim to us and lay claim to whoever it is that does survive and make us their subjects, because there is a structure in place that says, because we are down to the last ten Americans does not mean we are no longer the United States than those last ten Americans. Their responsibility is to preserve and defend the Constitution of the United States and to re establish and guess.

1:27:42 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe we can finally clean Washington up. Then that's the case. Maybe that's what it is.

1:27:48 Speaker 4: But out of those ten people, there is a path that you can likely trace, even if they're all civilians, to say which one of them should be president.

1:28:01 Speaker 2: Right right, because it would fall to whoever as like, I get what you're saying, somes.

1:28:08 Speaker 4: Like there might be right there, you know, So if you can imagine, so if if and again just off the top of my head, I'm imagining I'm in that situation. And I've got a teacher, an electrician, a truck driver,

1:28:27 Speaker 4: you know, and and a a guy who was in you know, was a city council official, and Pine Bluffs, Arkansas. And I've got somebody who you know, uh, managed a housing complex. And those are you know, the last five. I can run through the logic and I could say, person who was on the city council, you are now president of the United States. Electrician, you are now the Secretary of Energy. You have a degree in international relations. You are now Secretary of State. The building, you're the building, your Department of Healthy or you know, urban development whatever.

1:29:11 Speaker 2: And when we have kids, lady, you are Secretary of Teaching whatever. That one is, Department of Education.

1:29:20 Speaker 4: Women. They're doing doing away with that anyway. But but you see what I'm saying, that's what continuity of government gives us. That's what that structure provides. And then we can sit there and say, no, there is still somebody in charge. You might not be in charge of much but that but the by the constitution, that is the rule of law, the land of the world, that is who it is, and we are still the United States. And okay, then they all get shot down and you know, Russia.

1:29:54 Speaker 2: But yeah, I get where you're going with this, So now, don't one Dylan jesting that an Nhi could be in charge of us is a very far fetched thought to kind of grasp on, and because again not much evidence for it. But he also had made reference to something else that he had talked to Matt Brown about, and that was that human beings are coming down to like the consciousness aspect that seems to be creeping into.

1:30:30 Speaker 3: The top A lot lot more souls are consciousness.

1:30:33 Speaker 2: Consciousness and arguably what do you really like? Genuinely, do you guys think that if we understood what consciousness was and and what a soul was, that the world would fundamentally radically change, Like do you think that that is worth keeping a secret of that?

1:30:56 Speaker 3: If all of mankind suddenly realized that we were all conscious, we all like to each other.

1:31:01 Speaker 4: Whatever it is.

1:31:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, if we were all capable of doing it, it would change it, sure, but if everyone can't tap into it, well, why would it change anything if you can't if you can't access it like you you so that we know of can't do the weird ship that I can. Right, if you could, you would probably maybe. Yeah, It's just it's everybody can't do the same thing. Everybody's the same access of the same frequencies. I'm I'm assuming it's frequencies because every time they see something weird, there's a fucking frequency.

1:31:29 Speaker 2: So when it's actually kind of where I was going with it.

1:31:32 Speaker 3: It's the same thing that what his face, it's sound light in frequency.

1:31:36 Speaker 2: You watched it too, Well, that's the thing I talk about a lot.

1:31:40 Speaker 5: That's supposedly the key to the universe.

1:31:41 Speaker 3: Sound, light and frequencies legitimately gave up.

1:31:44 Speaker 2: Do you know the guy Bryce?

1:31:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, I talked to him. That's what I was talking about. Bryce.

1:31:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh yeah, yeah, okay, Brent, Brent, Brenton Bright.

1:31:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was given a piece of napkin or it wasn't a napkin. It was actually atm slut. It was at the premiere premiere of Dark Skies. Yes, he was having a party at his house. Show hadn't even been to public yet, and the guy that showed up from the government had already seen the first like five episodes. Back then, it wasn't possible like that, Like you had to have a physical copy of it to watch anything, you know, Brent. It wasn't just like here's a link for the screener. It was you had to have like a mailed copy of it.

1:32:22 Speaker 2: So clearly he had influence at the network. Yeah, Bryce, God, this is no but did you watch it. I've heard the story directly from Bryce.

1:32:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, but there but his guy, Brent, Brent Friedman, the director guy, his neighbor was something to the President Reagan and he was high up. So so is it Bryce Abele that was being recruited or is it the name it's Brent. Isn't it's Brent that was being recruited? So allegedly Brent was being Brent And he doesn't realize. And I told him this in a message. I go, Bro, you were being be recruited.

1:32:50 Speaker 4: He goes, oh my god, maybe I was.

1:32:52 Speaker 3: So the guy office of the Something of Navy Intelligence OSN. I that's where the guy was from, right, And yeah, ostinating intelligence and the guy who was his neighbor had a big, uh a big position with them. And I'm thinking that this guy has connected some way, shape or form to the UFO topic, because that's where they got the idea of Kennedy being killed because of UFOs.

1:33:13 Speaker 4: And they're like, you know how close you are to it?

1:33:15 Speaker 2: You?

1:33:15 Speaker 3: I know you don't really watch Jesse Michaels watch the interview with those two. It tells the entire stories outstanding. And that's what made me reach out to Brent to interview him.

1:33:23 Speaker 4: And I'm hoping.

1:33:27 Speaker 2: And I wrote on a because they like they went to the this guy showed up at the party.

1:33:33 Speaker 3: Like unannounced, right, it just shows up and talk to the one. He gets thrown up by Brent and then he ends up talking to Bryce.

1:33:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they end up. He's like, oh can I talk? You know shows there's a lot of people executives, right, everyone's there at the house party. I actually have pictures from that party for real. Yeah, he sent them all to me.

1:33:54 Speaker 4: That's cool.

1:33:55 Speaker 2: And this guy just shows up on announce, pulls the aside and it was like, you guys don't realize how close you are, Like Yadayada goes into all these things and they're kind of like, you know, they're they're distracted. There's a party going on. They're hosting the party, and they go, Okay, you've peaked our interest, but you also weren't invited here, so like get the fuck out, and he goes, okay, okay, but before I go, does anyone have something I can write on? And someone pulls out a bank slip from their purse and then he writes on it, folds it up.

1:34:32 Speaker 2: He says, in ten years, take this out, it might be worth more.

1:34:35 Speaker 3: Yep, you're gonna understand. You're gonna understand what this is.

1:34:37 Speaker 2: To understand more what I mean, and on. It was like an equation, but it essentially boiled down to sound like frequency.

1:34:45 Speaker 4: But they had lost it the.

1:34:47 Speaker 2: Universe, they lost it. They just he just kind of like found it again.

1:34:51 Speaker 4: The story is awesome telling you legend.

1:34:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's almost kind of like the it makes it gives me haul in and the Air Force Vibe stories. Yeah, you know the Air Force story about where the alien's land come out, talk to the government and they go back. It falls. I call those like legacy cases, right, cases that have built upology, the lore of upology, Pascal Gula Roswell. Those are to me legacy cases. This sound like frequency story for me is a legacy thing because it's ingrained almost into like the fabric of what I think.

1:35:28 Speaker 5: And that's where they he got all the stories from.

1:35:30 Speaker 3: He got all the stories from his neighbor who told them all this crazy shit Ufo Wise, and he just linked it into the Dark Sky Show and they were like, you know, how close you are? And that is allegedly where they He was going to them to give them the information, and they turned them down, and then supposedly he went to Spielberg and that's how Spielberg got connected.

1:35:53 Speaker 4: One of the because you said Dark Skies in my mind went to the series Dark Fantastic, So I gotta watch it.

1:36:01 Speaker 2: So oh it's so good, you have to watch it in German.

1:36:05 Speaker 4: Natalia was watching it in German because she speaks German. But you know, and so she's always looking for, you know, just something to keep the skills up right. So she's got, you know, like her Italian friend she talks to all the time and something German. There's only like one friend she has. But you know, she watched the show. So she found that and she you know, and like at night, I just know she's on there watching her you know stuff, and she's you know, and she was telling me about it as she was going and she's like, oh, yeah, this is like I think this is like some UFO things and and okay whatever.

1:36:42 Speaker 4: But one episode she stopped it and she's like, community, you gotta, you know, watch this, and she played the scene where the guy with the clocks, you know, was the clockmaker, and at some point he's uses the word he says, time is god. I know, right, yeah, And that hit her because her dad wrote that, writes that exact thing in his works. No no, no, yeah, it's in the it's.

1:37:15 Speaker 2: In there, time is gode.

1:37:20 Speaker 4: And it was.

1:37:22 Speaker 2: I heard the line in the show, but you're follow in all wrote.

1:37:25 Speaker 4: That he wrote. So when he when she saw that, she then I started watching the rest of the series with her in German and then you know, we watched it and I watched it again in English and stuff to because I sort of missed the whole thing or whatever, but it was that one phrase. She's like, got a chill and was like, that's what my father wrote.

1:37:45 Speaker 7: WHOA, that's crazy.

1:37:47 Speaker 2: Do you think that's I was talking about this Lenvel in our preparation for the interview, and we were talking about source. Like know, he was talking about artists, how a lot of people that ce UFOs that see ship they always tend to be creative people write more creative inclined. And he said, like you brought up do you think that they communicate in music? I said, well, root word, right, muse, and he just goes, right, you're on like.

1:38:25 Speaker 3: You that I was on a level, right, He like, who's communicating music?

1:38:30 Speaker 2: He asked. Lenville asked me if he does he think that an Nhi would communicate with us in music? And we both kind of I said that, I mean music is universal, just like math, music can be universal.

1:38:46 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, so there's there's so there's actually a interview from the eighties Canadian journalist interviewed a very famous conductor.

1:38:55 Speaker 2: Because Bielberg also used it, I was just playing, yeah, and well that's because his mother was a composer. I believe one of his mother was a composer and the other one worked for did something else. But so that's why I use the song.

1:39:12 Speaker 4: But you are you could argue that he used it, but this this, this you know, prestigious composer and you know was saying exactly that that he said, if there, if there is a way to communicate with an alien civilization, it is going to be through music.

1:39:31 Speaker 2: It's like, because all music is vibration, right it is.

1:39:35 Speaker 3: And if you and if you put sand on like a sheet and patterns, yeah, and and crazy pats, that's just crazy to Yeah.

1:39:43 Speaker 4: So you know, so again you all know my my opera connections, you know, and and interest and all the rest of it. But there's so much you know between you know, in that history that speaks to it. So when you know everyone's talking about the you know, the god frequencies and things like that, these composers wrote in those frequencies sound frequency they wrote right, and and you go into sacred music and you know, all these different elements. And one of the when we started our opera company, you know, when we were like, you know, how are we going to frame this?

1:40:22 Speaker 4: How do you you know? It's like because you know, now everything is competition for entertainment dollars, right, nobody has arts dollars in their budget, but they have entertainment dollars. Right, So now we've got to convince somebody spend forty dollars coming to see this opera versus downloading a new game or doing something else, right, because that's the that's the budget that it's coming from. And you know, and you look at again all the studies of the psychology of music, and why do you know, the this stereotype of you know, well, rich people you know like opera and like classical music and and things like that.

1:41:09 Speaker 4: You know, but there's there's you know, actual scientific structure behind the ideas, right that there's people who listen to classical music do better academically. And when you do better academically, you know, in elementary school and in high school, you get into a better college. You get into a better college, you get into a better job, you get you know, and and you know, there's all that connecting it. And if you think about society in general, and you think about the evolution or probably more close to what I was talking about, the de evolution of music, when you think that it's well, when you think in terms of like, you know, there's a band that or a group of comedian musicians who do a whole bit about how every number one song.

1:42:14 Speaker 3: The ords, you know, it is the power chords, right it truly is it?

1:42:18 Speaker 4: Truly? Is do you play music? I don't play music, Yeah right, I play drums in a little guitar, literally the same four chords. So, however, classical music, sacred music, things like that is structuringly much more complex, and and it ultimately impacts emotional intelligence. And so has there been, you know, has there been an intense, intensive effort to dumb down music.

1:42:58 Speaker 2: In a way to limit the vibrational capacity of human.

1:43:03 Speaker 4: Being that disconnects us not only from these universal frequencies that the likes of classical music you know provides sh but and and so this is why now people are coming back to listen to the frequency. You don't need to listen to the frequencies you can. You can put on any classical music. These you can put on operas and get that same net effect as listening to Ona does.

1:43:37 Speaker 2: When I studied, rarely, uh very rarely did I ever, you know, put a book in like really study couldn't tell you listen to classical music while you study.

1:43:53 Speaker 4: Yes, it activated Again, all those studies are not the parts of the brain that it that it activates. And it's good, you know, And and I joke about you know that, like we we have been more proud of the times when we've had guys that, you know, old neighborhood friends, street guys from Medford where you're staying and you know that have come to be supportive. Right. They didn't didn't necessarily come up because they're friends, but or you know, fans. They came because they're being supportive of you know, Nat and I and you know, we go back and you know, the neighborhood and shit like that.

1:44:33 Speaker 4: That's what you do. And those guys break into tears and they don't understand.

1:44:37 Speaker 5: Why because it hits, it hits something.

1:44:39 Speaker 4: Because that frequency hit something, it has has resonated right the frequent and the emotional intelligence has been activated that isn't there. And that's why people don't like it, because it forces you to confront subliminally parts of your brain and your nervous system that have been numbed by the same fucking four chords. And it becomes uncomfortable.

1:45:17 Speaker 3: No, because those four chords, those four chords, like it's something in humans that you're attracted. Humans are literally attracted to those four chords. It doesn't matter in which order it doesn't matter how they go. But those particular four chords are the god chords and music right, so so so then then the they're not the God code.

1:45:37 Speaker 4: I mean, they're God God chords.

1:45:39 Speaker 3: Chords like like every yeah, everybody doesn't every pop song every right.

1:45:45 Speaker 4: When I was in the.

1:45:46 Speaker 2: Sound bath, it felt like I was painfully like it was a painful meditation, but it was perfect and and so you know, and this is.

1:45:56 Speaker 4: What again, the the you know people have come have sort of turned the corner and realize that, and they've created it into a niche industry where there, you know, you get your woh wah wah wah wah wah wah or you know, your you know, soundscapes and ship like that. You don't need that. All that shit already exists in classical music, right, all the tuning force, Yeah, all that's you know already there. And then you couple the lyric, you couple you know, sights and sounds, you know, and you can really build that whole emotional infrastructure I was gonna get in the pillow, yeah, and you know, and and and it's again, it's funny because it just seems to be coming back around to that thing and it speaks to the you know, Beatrice Villa real It is a brilliant musician herself violinist.

1:46:53 Speaker 2: So okay, back to the question, do you think that that there is something there that Native people are the key.

1:47:02 Speaker 4: To its father was a musician, Yes, he was a He was a guitarist. He played something guitars something else that they play. So yeah, we did.

1:47:11 Speaker 3: And people who have perfect pitch and all that stuff, a lot of them are autistic in their brains, can reach different levels.

1:47:17 Speaker 4: Right, Natalia has perfect pit.

1:47:18 Speaker 3: My wife has perfect pitch. She's autistic. Her father had perfect pitch. I don't know if he's autistic or not. But my wife is like Elon Mush. She's high functioning, auditions, highly intelligent. She can sit there and no musical training whatsoever. She can sit there with your tar hand here a song, go, pink thing whatever.

1:47:33 Speaker 4: She hears that pianos Santon. And some people see something autistic from birth. Some people see colors in sound or they.

1:47:43 Speaker 2: Crazy part you know that scene color And we talked about that, right, But apparently every element has a vibration as well, So elements like the literal, the elemental, the element. So what God, the periodic table. Every single element has a musical note that tunes, that is tuned to that.

1:48:12 Speaker 4: That that's good. My color ship put her in guitar hero my wife.

1:48:21 Speaker 5: Yeah, entering championships and make money, that's great.

1:48:25 Speaker 4: But you know so yeah, I mean music is but it's not just music.

1:48:31 Speaker 2: It's it's creating creativity. And where does creativity come from?

1:48:37 Speaker 4: Consciousness? I'm assuming I were to.

1:48:39 Speaker 2: Say or the muse right, the root word for music, muse, amusement.

1:48:45 Speaker 4: It's just creator, right.

1:48:49 Speaker 2: See, we're going down. That's where that's where I start thinking that. You know, we know time doesn't exist the way we experience it. Literally, time doesn't exactly exist the way we think it does, but it's it's definitely there, like we can't. We we all agree that time, even though the time that we use is man made, there has to be some sort of calculation, calculation to the to the universe for sure.

1:49:17 Speaker 4: Why what do you mean.

1:49:20 Speaker 2: It has to be a forward, a backward, a diagonal?

1:49:24 Speaker 5: No, well no, because it isn't time.

1:49:27 Speaker 2: Fucking They would have the atomic clock, right, don't they use an atomic clock to keep the actual like real time because off each other?

1:49:39 Speaker 4: So what time is linked? To gravity? Is it not?

1:49:41 Speaker 2: And that's I don't know. I'm not that smart. But

1:49:46 Speaker 2: when he says time is God, but I'm boiling laid down time being the one thing that we can't really understand or or buy more of? Right?

1:49:57 Speaker 4: Is that?

1:49:58 Speaker 2: Is that the universe it's health? Is that God? It seems logical to me that if we're pulling from source to pull music out of the ether, what could we be pulling it from. Either the muse is God and the universe in entirety is God?

1:50:22 Speaker 4: Or there is.

1:50:28 Speaker 2: Everything exists, everything is really just?

1:50:31 Speaker 3: But there does there need to be a God in order for life? And things like does it need to be does it need to be God in order for it to matter to you?

1:50:38 Speaker 4: Like this is I'm just kidding.

1:50:40 Speaker 2: No, we're here for a reason. Life's too precious. The universe, it's not wasteful. It's not wasteful.

1:50:49 Speaker 4: But if you ever have you ever thought?

1:50:50 Speaker 2: But what the time does God? Mean? Is what I'm asking. I don't know what does it mean to you?

1:50:57 Speaker 4: What's it mean to me? The time is God?

1:51:01 Speaker 2: Is that?

1:51:02 Speaker 1: It is?

1:51:02 Speaker 4: The I guess it's almost the mechanism, you know, the mechanism that brings everything into creation.

1:51:12 Speaker 2: And so.

1:51:14 Speaker 4: There is no there is no.

1:51:19 Speaker 2: Twelve o'clock. I guess.

1:51:22 Speaker 4: There is only now. Yeah, there is only the present, and all things happen.

1:51:31 Speaker 3: Only in the press, all right, right, so it's okay, I guess.

1:51:37 Speaker 4: It will happen only in the present. You can, okay.

1:51:41 Speaker 3: So for the case in point, it took me, however, many years to get on Twitter, right, So I finally got on Twitter last year, and that's how I met you guys. Without me getting on Twitter at that point in time, never would have.

1:51:52 Speaker 5: Linked up with it. Two you and I wouldn't be sitting here.

1:51:54 Speaker 4: We would have had the weird ghost out there like it's fucking that still just happened.

1:51:58 Speaker 2: Now, correct, And it took So you're saying that just happened now now it's happening now.

1:52:05 Speaker 4: That is just so.

1:52:11 Speaker 2: Entanglement would come from.

1:52:13 Speaker 4: So it didn't happen a hero. It happening right.

1:52:15 Speaker 2: Now, simultaneously to this moment right now, correct, in that moment right now. And I've said that before that all life is is a bunch of now is compiled, right, and that what you're saying.

1:52:27 Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. But also that that if you start. So I think it was Eric Hecker that was talking about the book. We're going to bring him up here. I've been doing great. There's there's this book, and and what a challenges you to do is two not give anything a name, to not identify anything. So you look at this and you're like, that's a microphone, right, Okay, Try to do that and not have that judgment. What do you mean judgment that there's a name to that? Oh, it just is take away whatever it is, the thing that you're told that it is, and I want to just let it be and and get that out of your head of what it is and what it does and things like that.

1:53:25 Speaker 3: Try that much mushrooms did he do before the show?

1:53:27 Speaker 4: Try that? Try that exercise.

1:53:30 Speaker 5: I've been doing it, tripping mushrooms.

1:53:32 Speaker 4: No, I've been doing this exercise of.

1:53:43 Speaker 2: Of no.

1:53:45 Speaker 4: And it's not and it's not even the thing of concentrating on it. It's the as you things come into your awareness.

1:53:55 Speaker 3: And folks, did you have an epiphany since you fucking touched that metal? Honestly, like, you definitely change a little bit. You seem more clear, way more clear to me than fucking previously.

1:54:06 Speaker 2: I just not ask the right question.

1:54:10 Speaker 4: It's honestly, it's it's been living with this my father in law stuff for the last six.

1:54:15 Speaker 3: Years, right, But then, I mean the freedom of being able to move freely without pain has to be a huge like yeah, I.

1:54:21 Speaker 4: Mean I can't say I know, you know I noticed.

1:54:23 Speaker 5: That particularly second least in life, you know what I mean noticed.

1:54:28 Speaker 4: Spending time with this, living in this material now is a gift that it it has, It has activated something, I guess to a degree because things come to me in a way. Now, clarity comes to me in a way.

1:54:52 Speaker 3: Did you seriously seem more clear mentally?

1:54:56 Speaker 2: What's that it's taking a bless space in your head to you don't have to focus on that ship Maybe no, but I think.

1:55:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean I mean it's something changed.

1:55:06 Speaker 5: I'm for real.

1:55:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know of course that. But I'm just saying in general, it's oh.

1:55:12 Speaker 2: It's coket it. I get it. It's coke that made them clear.

1:55:17 Speaker 4: No, but it's it's trying to trying to think of examples, like literally, I can be brushing, like I can be getting ready for bed at night.

1:55:30 Speaker 2: No, I know what you and I've had it.

1:55:34 Speaker 4: That thing comes in my head that is put something together, or or the question that needs to be asked, you know. And I'll go to sleep and sometimes I'll wake up three hours later and it's there, it's crystal clear, or like the next morning. And that's why I'll sit and dive into it and work on it and all of that. But it's not. But I can easily walk away from it too. So that's why I say, it's not like an obsession thing like I gotta figure this out or whatever it's it comes to me, it's clear. I have to get it down on paper, you know, on them whatever.

1:56:22 Speaker 4: I have to get it down. I have to get it out, and then I can walk away from it. It doesn't eat at me or whatever. And then it just starts fitting in wherever, you know, wherever it needs to fit, you know. And again I've I've always had a sort of analytical mind in that way.

1:56:48 Speaker 3: And no, but dude, you're definitely a lot more fucking you've been on Like like just seeing you now, being in a room with you, you seem like you're more on fire lightly and like you want to touch me. No maybe later, no, but you just you just seem like you're a lot more full of life, like like, I don't know, like since just seeing you walk around is great and I'm glad to see it. You did you deserve it, man, you're a good dude.

1:57:11 Speaker 2: That could be what it is?

1:57:14 Speaker 5: What is it that you oh touching the metal and just yeah, if it's gotta be.

1:57:20 Speaker 2: I hate to sound like this, but like because I don't want to make it sound like it's fucking Thor's hammer and you have to be worthy of it. But maybe maybe it maybe like who are we to say that it didn't just it doesn't resonate at some sort of vibe.

1:57:37 Speaker 3: Might have been kind of tuned you back, Yeah, might yeah, it might have retuned you for sure.

1:57:41 Speaker 4: Always well, right, I've always believed, right, these things of people are in your life for a reason. You you know, have relationships for a reason. You connect or you don't connect. You know that the universe brings you together, and the universe brings you to where you need to be, you know, at the right time, and and all that. And you know, again, I look at my own life, my own life, my own path. Right, this was not what I had planned, right, This wasn't I wasn't looking for a retirement hobby and this and that things fell into place that created the opportunities, let's say, or or put the path in front of me.

1:58:25 Speaker 4: So I could have just as easily been like, Wow, this is really cool. We're going to stick it on the shelf. And we got a really cool thing from NAT's dad that we don't know what it is, and you know, that's great. But the circumstances of my life at the time allowed me to spend time on it and give thought to it and made me think, is this something that needs to you know, go further and all of that. And so it's the you know, kind of saying yes to that that's like me great people, new friends, they get it, you know, and and all the rest of it.

1:59:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, and accepting the challenge. And you know, you all know how frustrating frustrated it is, how frustrated I get. And you know how I sit back and I'm like, I don't need any of this bullshit. You know, what do I need to I don't need to do any of this.

1:59:27 Speaker 2: You know, every time that I'm like, hey, we have a guest that I'm like, he's gonna say no because he just doesn't need to be here. And then you know, he's here because he wants to be.

1:59:37 Speaker 4: I'm paying him, guys, right, Like, I want to help out.

1:59:41 Speaker 2: And that's why everyone's like, why does he leave before the members section? I was like, because he wants to to your fucking business, either above your pay grade.

1:59:51 Speaker 4: I do it because I enjoy your company. I enjoy the discussions. I enjoy someone really asked me that.

1:59:56 Speaker 2: They're like, I told him the story that I enjoy before the I go because he wants to.

2:00:03 Speaker 4: So I enjoy eating pretzels and making you you know, and aggravating you and shit like that. And again, I mean, you know, I have a whole other circle of friends I still have, you know, outside of all of this, and and you know again, but I've again, I I also sort of feel a sense of all obligation to finish what I started, you know a lot of the other stuff. Yeah, I sit back and I'm like, do I really need it? Do I really need it? And I just sit back and I'm like, if this is what I'm being guided to do, I need to do it.

2:00:36 Speaker 4: If this is what If this is what I have been you know, the inspiration was planted in me somehow to do this this, this, and this. So I'm like, all right, I want to see what it's where it goes, right God?

2:00:52 Speaker 2: And that's I mean, do you believe you believe in like fate in a way like fate and death.

2:01:01 Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

2:01:02 Speaker 3: Like what I'm saying, right, And I'm just fight didn't pop on a Twitter at that very moment in time, I never would have met him, and then I never would have got on your show, and then we never went to DC. Like it's it's crazy, but it's the true. Things happen for a reason when they're supposed to happen, right, Just like I could have become a firefighter at twenty two years old, I did, and I did it when I was old at thirty seven and thirty seven year old rookie.

2:01:23 Speaker 4: You don't know the reason. You never know the reason for it. In the time, I again, I say it about Natalia and our relationship and all of this that has come from it. Right, I had listen, I was living a great bachelor life. Right. My friends used to laugh. They were like, you know, they used to be like, oh Jane, They like, yeah, Jeane, you know, twenty five twenty six year old girls that's like, for some reason, that's it. That's his wheel outside all those co ed's up in New York.

2:01:53 Speaker 2: I'm sure we should be admitting this right now.

2:01:56 Speaker 5: Poor hey, listen, if I didn't have my wife, I'd be a horse.

2:02:00 Speaker 4: You know my wife. You know my wife even new you know my my place was called the stabing Cabin, right, you know. I was having a perfectly fine bachelor life. I was finishing. I was like, I'm going to retire, I'm going to go to Malta. I'm going to have a perfectly fine Mediterranean bachelor life.

2:02:25 Speaker 5: You never heard that as a whole porn site.

2:02:29 Speaker 4: Stabbing cabin, yea. Yeah. I was a raving pervert, you know, but met the you know and again chance meaning met this beautiful woman right, chance meaning that like with the offera stuff. Right. I learned about it in high school in Italian class. I kept that interest through my life, right and then I don't know if I you know or you know the story. So in high school Italian class, the teacher was a So the high school I went to run a religious all boys private high school run by the Order of Xavarian Brothers and Brothers.

2:03:22 Speaker 3: I heard something different Bavarian monks, right, Bavarian monk, Saverian Saint Francis Xavier. Okay, so I thought you said he did not say Arian for those Okay, did not say Arian.

2:03:39 Speaker 4: Yes, so the.

2:03:42 Speaker 2: Private he said is nine extra times after.

2:03:46 Speaker 4: I was like, so the opera that he played and we you know, studied, let's say, was was Turando where nessun dorma? That the one opera song everybody knows Pavarotti and Harri Butchelli saying, you know, Ventiov and Charov.

2:04:05 Speaker 2: And like you're talking a foreign language for a second.

2:04:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. Literally, it is a foreign language. It's Italian.

2:04:16 Speaker 3: Irish.

2:04:16 Speaker 4: That's nobody sleeps goddamn Irish Irish people. So that was it. So now I'm in Latvia, I'm meeting Natalia things, you know, I had to come back to the US. I went back over there and one of her friends, it was a tenor, was singing the lead role in Torondo at the lot Via National Opera and he said, oh, you know, do you and your your new fellow want to come and and see him. We're yeah, absolutely. That week when the performance was I had found out that that teacher, the brother who you know, introduced me to opera from via the via the opera turn Doo was killed and a hit and run accident in Melrose, Jesus Christ.

2:05:09 Speaker 4: It's still unsolved. They he was he was retired, he was out taking a morning walk, hit and run. They left him to die in the street.

2:05:26 Speaker 3: So way to kill the story, Jean, I was laughing, thanks a lot, But you know.

2:05:34 Speaker 4: This is what I'm saying. When it's like fate and the universe bring it up, you know, these are the things where it's like, how is that not the idea? So now we've got to go sit and listen to that opera that he just seeing that that gave me that it fifteen years old, you know, introduced me to this thing that I wound up liking and following and learning more about through my life. That gave me this chance when this super beautiful woman was sitting across from me. For the career that I had and the things that I've done in my life, you know, hard to relate to people sometimes, but here was this one thing that like we instantly shared or that I could share with her that I knew.

2:06:30 Speaker 4: And then we went and sat there and at the intermission, we like went backstage and to see the guy the tenor and thank him, and I'm telling him the story and I'm worse than I am now because it's fresh and it just happened that week. And I'm telling him the story and I'm crying, and he's crying, and he's like, this is why I do this, This is why you know I love this art and da da da da, you know, and all of that, And so that's what I say. It's like, even now, my son goes to the same high school that I went to, and he talks about the things that he's learning, and I tell them all, someday, as stupid or as insignificant as this thing that you're learning might be, it could change your life.

2:07:19 Speaker 4: That there is something that you that can happen to you that seems absolutely meaningless in the moment, that some point later on will change, you know, can change your life.

2:07:32 Speaker 5: You see the chat, So.

2:07:39 Speaker 4: And then never mind the rest of this craziness that's happened. What's its same?

2:07:48 Speaker 3: But Mike said, it's a romantic story. But I'm not crying if this story ends up at the stabbing Kevin.

2:07:56 Speaker 4: Well. So the yeah, the you know, the funny thing about that, like, then that and I get married, right, well then.

2:08:02 Speaker 2: Her father like almost have like a premonition that she would be with the.

2:08:07 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, that was like in twenty fifteen, before she ever met me, she'd be with some crazy American so specific though, So she she had a she had a boyfriend who was Dutch from the Netherlands and yeah before me, and he sent her, you know, he kind of paid for the trip for her to go see her dad. Sh hadon seen her dad for a while. He was in Kazakhstan, she's in Latvia. He's like, well, you know, I'll pay for you a trip to go there or whatever. So she went. So while she was there, her dad said to her, so, how's your how's your CIA boyfriend?

2:08:51 Speaker 4: And she's like, I don't have a CIA boyfriend, you know. And he's like, no, the CIA, the American, the CIA guy. I sent him to you twenty fifteen.

2:09:06 Speaker 2: And so this guy's what Dutch and not in the CIA obviously correct, very opposite of what he's saying.

2:09:13 Speaker 4: But her dad was like, her dad was like confused, he didn't understand because as.

2:09:20 Speaker 2: Far as he was like, he's living in a different Oh.

2:09:25 Speaker 5: Shit, maybe it's a different time.

2:09:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, well he was a fucking UFO guy is messing with shit, he's getting maybe no.

2:09:32 Speaker 4: Maybe he's like I sent I sent this guy to you. How did how did he send you to Again? She thinks he's just fucking drunk and talking bullshit? How we do?

2:09:46 Speaker 3: And this was twenty fifteen before you guys got together?

2:09:49 Speaker 4: When did you? When did you guys get together? Seventeen two years later?

2:09:54 Speaker 2: That's a big gap.

2:09:55 Speaker 4: Man.

2:09:56 Speaker 5: How long did her father?

2:09:58 Speaker 4: Was he you met?

2:10:00 Speaker 5: It was he alive when you yeah with him?

2:10:02 Speaker 4: So I never met him face that we met like over a video.

2:10:06 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, but but okay, what did you ever say about And then she's dating a CIA boyfriend?

2:10:11 Speaker 4: Well then it was also but here, well, here's here's the twist. I was still within the window of my clearances, so you were still actually where I wasn't saying. I wasn't talking about any of that. It was just I did global security in oil and gas. Now like now that when like that? When to work for right that went to work? You know, when she started working, there was a guy from Nigeria that she worked with and became friends with, and she said to him mom or he said, oh, well, what's your husband doing?

2:10:45 Speaker 4: Always retired now And he said, well, what did he do? And she said the job title that you know I taught her that I had. Oh he was because she's telling him, Oh, my husband's been to Nigeria a ton of times. Well what did he do? Oh he worked for SHILD. Well what did he do with child? Oh he was did GEO political and transnational Security risk management. And the Nigerian guy goes, oh he was CIA. And again that same time period twenty seventeen, this is when the whistleblower stuff started, the corporate whistle blowing started anything.

2:11:22 Speaker 4: So her dad was gone before I ever really put the CIA out and named the agencies that I contracted with and stuff like that. When did he passed away? Twenty nineteen December thirty. Okay, so forty.

2:11:40 Speaker 2: It's a mission. That's weird, man, now that I think about it. Could you have been getting his now's confused, but you.

2:11:50 Speaker 4: Know, back whistling Mike stamming, kamit things. So the funny thing was like two best friends at the time they were married, right, so like they were living vicariously through me and my exploits. Natalia and I get married. Within a year, they're both divorced, right, So, like one day in to Talia is like, she goes, it's so sad that Mario and Shane are divorced now. And I was like, and she goes, oh yeah, She's like, et ccha. She goes, you know, we got married and now Mario and Shane are divorced.

2:12:26 Speaker 4: She's like, that's kind of sad. I know. I go, I know, think about it, we all could have finally been single at the same time. Fucked.

2:12:35 Speaker 3: Mike said, what month in twenty fifteen, Let's see how where this story gets for me?

2:12:39 Speaker 4: What's up?

2:12:40 Speaker 3: Mike said, what month in twenty fifteen? He wants to see how weird the story gets for him as well.

2:12:45 Speaker 4: I don't know, I get it. I'll have to ask her if there's relevance, I can ask her.

2:12:49 Speaker 2: I just always find that's trying to that story always stuck up.

2:12:53 Speaker 7: It's fucking crazy.

2:12:54 Speaker 4: As you see, I hate boyfriend.

2:12:56 Speaker 2: That's when he told me that story. That was the one that kind of one of the ones that sealed it for me. Yeah, it feels like some sort of deal. Mad. I was like, I gotta see what this is all about because it could have been a long line of synchronicity.

2:13:07 Speaker 3: Did her father have any type of any weird shit like, is her father able to you know, if her father had any type of abilities foresight?

2:13:15 Speaker 2: So listen, he clearly had something.

2:13:18 Speaker 4: All I knew of him until all of this, and really all that Talia knew of him. He was a brilliant guy. He was fucking drunk. He used to say all sorts of shit that people just thought he was crazy. He used to do so. For instance, somebody had sort of evaluated, you know, the work, his works, what I was doing, these connections that I was making, and da da da, somebody with a scientific background, and they said, yes, people can make the argument that, you know, something could just be the normal progression of this field of science by many people.

2:14:10 Speaker 4: But that becomes less and less because it's not just one thing. It's fourteen things. Yeah, it's four things here. It's fourteen things here that is beyond coincidence. Da da da da da. And the way. So this guy told me this and then I said it tonight we were driving we're coming from BJ's in fact, and she's like what, She's like, Oh, what do you say? I go he said to me that we either have to believe that this information made its way somehow, the knowledge was transferred into the United States government somehow, and that's how it appears.

2:14:55 Speaker 4: He said, it's either that or I go. Or he said, your father was a prophet. He's like, those are the only two options, and you don't have to say who.

2:15:08 Speaker 2: There is a lab that has requested the work several times to.

2:15:14 Speaker 4: As they say it, it informs areas that they are heavily invested in.

2:15:21 Speaker 2: I can't get enough.

2:15:22 Speaker 4: So when I said that to her, when I said yeah, he said, either this had to have happened, or your dad's just a prophet, right, and she stop and she goes. You know, he used to say he was a prophet.

2:15:36 Speaker 4: He used to say, someday people are going to realize I was a prophet. But again, drunk talk, you know, drunk talk.

2:15:44 Speaker 2: So it's like people that are crazy often people that are are not deemed crazy. Maybe that's the wrong perceived crazy. It's not until later you realize that they were ahead of the gifts, like look at him, the ESLA crazy, right, But they were just way ahead of their time and the comprehension of the normal average person. So the way we see that's right, and you.

2:16:15 Speaker 4: Know, and again and he's not around, she's being informed by you know, others and and things like that to you know, form opinions and stuff like that. So it was, you know, like never any doubt. He was a brilliant guy academically and professionally, but you know, essentially his idealism and you know, the fall of the Soviet Union broke him. You know, that was very much the first few you know year kind of picture. But it's like the more and more, I'm like, no, it's so much more than that, and it's so much more complex.

2:16:53 Speaker 4: But again, you know, I mean, just to bring it back around to you know, to talk about that fate destiny, you know, the universe aligning things? Is it the universe aligning things or is it people who have the skill set to manifest the connections that need to be connected.

2:17:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, we were all the same mindset, get off your ass and go do something that.

2:17:17 Speaker 4: So we did, right, and you know, and so that's why I kind of sit here now and I'm like, so if it comes into my head and I feel like I need to go, then I got to do it. And I've got to see it through, you know, much like as much as I hate him, that fucking shower guy,

2:17:37 Speaker 4: you know he channels there's the guy who channels bar the guy from the Galactic Empire.

2:17:46 Speaker 3: Excuse me the alien's name is.

2:17:49 Speaker 5: He's like, he's a Twitter guy.

2:17:52 Speaker 4: No, he's all over the place guy. Oh no, I don't know. But but one of one of the frequent video is that it shows some kids ask him, oh, but what's the you know, secret to life or some ship like that, and he and he says something to the effect of do when you do something like do something you love and when you do it, do it without expectation of an outcome, right, but you.

2:18:23 Speaker 2: Should seem actually channel the alien.

2:18:25 Speaker 4: He goes into like this like oh yeah, I'm sure he does. It's not like the other woman. Who have you seen the other woman who does? Like have you seen the woman? There's another woman who does it? And so she sais there right? Yeah? Her thing is like you know the so those is like, uh, you know, can you channel it now? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, channel it now? And she's like yeah, hell.

2:18:54 Speaker 8: Whyly Galactic Confederation represented that is here for you and wait, this is what she does for real?

2:19:05 Speaker 4: I am here to know I'm doing it right now, I'm channeling she just happens to do the same.

2:19:12 Speaker 3: The same exact thing, so which the Lactic Federation being.

2:19:15 Speaker 4: Is with us. I need to switch faster, right, Yes, I am here to bring you this message in the messages, you should not be assholes, and we are concerned about the environment, and we are concerned about your nuclear weapons. And you should be nicer to one another, and you should love yourself, and you should do all things that we're telling you you should do.

2:19:58 Speaker 2: He's channeling Joey.

2:20:00 Speaker 4: Oh, Joey. Joey was.

2:20:05 Speaker 5: Now clearly no, clearly no.

2:20:09 Speaker 4: They actually they actually do it with Zeno from because then there's the blonde chick, probably a single mother, who is a number who channel who like you got a number astral project.

2:20:30 Speaker 2: We've this area.

2:20:32 Speaker 4: Who Astra and that's the show the Moon, like she astro projects to the conference room. Does she on the moon with the Galactic Federation? Okay, you lost me.

2:20:44 Speaker 2: At the last part there, you lost me at the last.

2:20:46 Speaker 4: Part there, But you know that's why you're mocking her.

2:20:48 Speaker 3: It's like it's actually true, you know, but but this is but this is something I've said the time before.

2:20:54 Speaker 4: Then, if there is a galactic Federation, then better they stay away, right, because everything I'm learning about the galactic So this woman who you know is able to astro project meant an alien in the other realm, and he was like, hey, do you want to come to a conference at the conference center that's inside the moon? And she's like yeah, cool, and she went and there were and then zip, there were physical beings there. There were other astral projected beings there and stuff like that.

2:21:24 Speaker 3: Oh so the wait, did he physically take her to the moon or she actually projected?

2:21:27 Speaker 4: She astral projected the moon. So she's in the moon. So she's in the astral realm. One more time, she's in the astral realm, she meets a guy. He's like, yo, you want to go to a conference inside the moon. She's like yeah, yes, and he brings her there and it's the Galactic Federation, meaning and blah blah blah. So this is why I'm saying, if there is a Galactic Federation, better they stay away because their people are like trolling the astral realm for random chicks and bringing them into what's supposed to be the Galactic Federation yah supposed to be the equivalent of like Majestic twelve is having, you know, a secret meeting at the Bohemian Grove.

2:22:09 Speaker 4: And somebody went to seven eleven and saw a blonde chicken was like, hey, you want to come to my secret meeting out at Bowie Mean Grove. And she's like yeah, okay, nicely. You know she's on the menu.

2:22:21 Speaker 2: No, no, no, she's she's leading the charge.

2:22:25 Speaker 4: Right And and they're like they're like, oh my god, you're here. Well go back and tell everybody else about what we're doing here at Bohemian Grove.

2:22:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's just like, okay, this is the part of the community that frustrates a lot of people.

2:22:39 Speaker 3: Of course naturally right with the Google birds, no offense, No, there's there, there's this room for everybody.

2:22:47 Speaker 2: Conferences that aren't in the room, the ones that.

2:22:50 Speaker 3: Are like at Denny's at fucking Connecticut, you know what I mean, like West Caven, Connecticut, like come down, We're we're Connecticut.

2:22:59 Speaker 4: Comeful, Yeah, exactly. You teleport in the closet.

2:23:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, the mop closet brings you to it. Actually, have you heard that that theory about Like they say it's like the holiday inn or something. At every holiday inn or insert hotel here, I don't know. I might be getting the hotel round. But at every marry It there's a closet that's a portal, Like that's a real story.

2:23:29 Speaker 3: That's well, I'm staying at a Marriott about im gonna find that? Well, my luck, I'm in the fucking room with the portal.

2:23:37 Speaker 4: But you know, for the people that were to be like, oh my god, they're just sitting there making fun of people. No, I'm not. I'm just I'm just sort of approving. It doesn't take anything beyond.

2:23:48 Speaker 2: What I just did to become a celebrity in this field.

2:23:53 Speaker 4: Well not even to become a celebrity, but to say that I did it right. So you you can sit there and say, oh I was No. I So, just to clarify, I was not mocking anybody. I was actually channeling Jim the alien, you know, tentacle that controls we so, and and just to clarify, there is as much there is now just as much evidence that I can channel Jim the alien that controls time as anybody else has ever produced.

2:24:25 Speaker 2: It's fair.

2:24:26 Speaker 4: So don't criticize me and say I'm making fun of anybody, because I'm telling you I was doing it. Show me the evidence that you weren't that I wasn't.

2:24:37 Speaker 2: And that's a real big problem with this community is that there's so much It's like we're on the edge of the we're on the precipice of like the cutting edge.

2:24:48 Speaker 7: Right, I didn't look at anything.

2:27:33 Speaker 4: Can they hear me?

2:27:34 Speaker 7: Now?

2:27:36 Speaker 4: Can you hear me?

2:27:37 Speaker 3: Now?

2:27:37 Speaker 4: Can you hear me? Now, Jean, say what you want? We can't hear you. Can you hear me now? Say what you want? It's back? I think good. Now it's back. Now I'm just not going to talk. And then that's how it went. And that's all I have to say about that.

2:28:03 Speaker 3: Man, that's the most profound speech I've ever heard you say.

2:28:05 Speaker 4: Gee, well, thank you. I'm glad you all got a lot out of that.

2:28:10 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, no, I just got criticize for talking.

2:28:22 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna talk.

2:28:24 Speaker 3: No, we're gonna make it an uncomfortable silence.

2:28:26 Speaker 5: Now just stare at you awkwardly.

2:28:28 Speaker 3: Are you done yet?

2:28:30 Speaker 2: See how many wires?

2:28:33 Speaker 4: It's like a spider web. Spider Man was through here.

2:28:36 Speaker 2: By the way, did you see testify? What do you guys think of that?

2:28:42 Speaker 5: I pleaded the fifth pretty cool.

2:28:53 Speaker 4: What is he gonna do? I think it's funny. I have more.

2:28:57 Speaker 2: I'd have more someone if they were like, I'm a monster.

2:29:02 Speaker 5: You need to tell the truth, then, right, like I murdered people in the eighties.

2:29:06 Speaker 2: To enrich himself. I have a presidential pardon that's backdated conveniently to twenty fourteen, when Gain of Function research started in Wuhan.

2:29:15 Speaker 4: Yeah.

2:29:16 Speaker 3: Me, when the emails were written to Epstein and I'm a.

2:29:19 Speaker 2: Monster and I eat kids. I mean, we'll see I have more respect.

2:29:23 Speaker 4: We'll see it. You know what's funny. I was in the in the military. There was a guy I worked with who was a dog tag wearing Satanist and that was his religion on his dog tag Satanist. And he used to tell stories like about, you know, being in Korea and freezing condoms and him and the girls stick the frozen condoms up as boho, his need to beet something, his ties.

2:29:55 Speaker 3: Yes, no right, nor your guy, your male for your ma friends, not.

2:30:01 Speaker 4: Jean, not me. That that he used to you know, and that he totally he did want to be slapped in his nuts with the same spoon that his kool aid was stirred with so what I'm saying.

2:30:18 Speaker 3: This?

2:30:19 Speaker 4: This was like like he had plumpers porn magazine mailed to the squadron.

2:30:25 Speaker 3: Plumpers.

2:30:25 Speaker 5: Yeah, like big girls or big boys, as.

2:30:28 Speaker 4: He would describe him. He wants to pull down. He wants to pull their panties down to the floor and their hands still be a.

2:30:36 Speaker 5: Wonderful. This is the after show, right, So this is this is this is this guy sounds like my kind of guy.

2:30:41 Speaker 4: So one day we're sitting at lunch, but I got I got him. It was shtick, you know, yeah, but everybody believed every word he said kind of thing. And my kids used to come to the squadron and and you know, he was like one of the He used to like put them on the forkliff and you know, scary Uncle Steve.

2:31:03 Speaker 2: They used We used to, Oh yeah, it's quite scary.

2:31:06 Speaker 4: So one day we're at lunch and I said something like there was some event going on, and somebody's like, oh, you're going, and no, I can't find a babysitter. And I was like, oh, I got one day, like and I'm like, Steve's gonna babysit. Uncle Steve from up Steve's gonna babysit and everybody, like the lieutenant like looked at me. He's like, tell me, you're joking, And I said to him, listen. At least I know where Steve stands. If I come home and the kids haven't had something horrible to them, it's a win.

2:31:38 Speaker 4: But at least I know what I'm saying. At least I know what to expect going in there.

2:31:43 Speaker 2: Steve's on the surface.

2:31:44 Speaker 4: At least Steve is transparent about who Steve is, Steve Steve.

2:31:49 Speaker 3: Steve's not secretly doing horrific things to my children. Like I know, Steve joke's around, but he's not a.

2:31:54 Speaker 4: Creep, right exactly, I get it right, It's it's that idea not in the closet.

2:32:01 Speaker 10: But do you think that's something that I'm making a decision based on knowing exactly all the you know what you're getting as opposed to most people that are much different on the surface than they are.

2:32:11 Speaker 4: Underneath, you know, right?

2:32:13 Speaker 2: Do you think that there is any chance that Fauci spends time in prison.

2:32:17 Speaker 3: No, I don't think no, because he's gonna squeal like a fucking pig.

2:32:22 Speaker 4: And if he goes down he's taking.

2:32:23 Speaker 7: Rity with him.

2:32:24 Speaker 3: Now, what I would like to see I would like to see all the text messages they's got their hands on. I would really love to see what was being said in those messages.

2:32:33 Speaker 2: Why I think this is important to talk about is because the history books aren't going to write this.

2:32:41 Speaker 3: No, the history is going to be it's gonna tell bullshit.

2:32:43 Speaker 2: It's going to say that he was a hero. Talked about earlier about how people need a leader, they need someone to follow. People were scared, they didn't know where or when they were going to be able to go out.

2:32:57 Speaker 4: The government was. But think about it this way, right, who who was? Who was the doctor that led the Spanish flu result response, I don't know is a name?

2:33:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember exactly.

2:33:12 Speaker 4: This is this is what history will remember about Foulci.

2:33:16 Speaker 2: You don't think he's doing it.

2:33:18 Speaker 3: It depends on who's telling the story and how they tell the story, you know what I mean, Like they're still lying about everything.

2:33:23 Speaker 5: That What kills me is this happened.

2:33:24 Speaker 3: Six years ago, and all the the the the shot stuff happened less than six years ago, and people pretend like it was thirty and like I'm like, bro, it's all documented.

2:33:34 Speaker 5: What you fox did.

2:33:36 Speaker 4: You all lied, every single one of you lied, and you and and it was the biggest case.

2:33:40 Speaker 3: Of Operation Mockingbird in our faces, so blatant that I've ever seen in my life. And it's crazy that no one sees what was going on. You look at every channel, Like my wife and I were watching like old DVR stuff.

2:33:52 Speaker 2: Like news clips, and they all say the same exact thing.

2:33:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, but not news clips.

2:33:55 Speaker 3: We were just watching TV shows and in between what the comer, like, we had DVR shit from like wildly we just never watched. We call back up on it, and like watching those goddamn commercials are so depressing.

2:34:06 Speaker 4: Everybody was gonna die. Everything was death, death, death, death, death, death.

2:34:11 Speaker 5: It didn't matter what it was, the numbers, the death, the death, the death, the death.

2:34:14 Speaker 3: Why twenty twenty election, that's what I think of to get Trump out of office and set that new world order ablaze. You had Brazil with a weird election, Spain and Portugal with weird elections, the United States with a really weird election, and and the list just keeps going on and run Canada as well. It's crazy and people just can't see it because they're they're told what to believe with Operation Marketpert.

2:34:38 Speaker 2: Do you guys think that COVID really shit? Do you guys think that it was a vice grippin her? Do you think that the government or that certain people knew that it wasn't as dangerous as they were making it out to be, and that they're using this to take because just like with the Patriot Act, Because this is what people are saying, I'm just I'm I don't have a stance on this either way, but what people are saying is that they used it and spike.

2:35:10 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, the scare, Yeah, I'll explain it.

2:35:16 Speaker 4: Right.

2:35:16 Speaker 3: Never exactly, thank you. Obama's favorite thing never never, never let a crisis go to waste. So you had, you had them using Do not believe this.

2:35:23 Speaker 5: You just to say this is this is my theory. You had them, and it's not my theory, it's the truth.

2:35:29 Speaker 3: You had people dying of car accidents, getting decapitated, and if their head was swathed, then they happened to have COVID.

2:35:34 Speaker 5: They got markers of COVID death. That's the absolute goddamn truth.

2:35:38 Speaker 3: Early on in the in the thing, I'm a first responder, I I didn't miss a day of work during it, except for when I actually got COVID a year into it.

2:35:46 Speaker 5: I went to work every day and we were.

2:35:47 Speaker 3: On the front line seeing the ship every single day. And in the early days, the ivermectin, the hydrochloroquine, the zinc and the and the zip rmyasin was the cocktail to give the doctors even said it. And then as soon as Trump went on TV and said it, all of a sudden, it was banned.

2:36:02 Speaker 4: Why why finishing like with the gun control right, So the number so they talk about this increase in child deaths due to firearms. Right, there's an increase in child deaths due to firearms because they raised the definition of a child from sixteen to.

2:36:26 Speaker 5: Twenty two and the statistics and they're not right.

2:36:30 Speaker 4: They don't tell you that part. So you know, it's this is again, it's all the the you know, National Endowment for the Arms has always always been about one hundred and sixty five million dollars, right, and that gets distributed to the states. What they started doing was when it looked like when when the Democrats have control of a budget and it looks like they're going to lose the White House or there is a you know, Republican in the White House. The Democratic Congress, you know, House and Senate would double the amount of the National Endowment for the Arts to over three hundred million dollars.

2:37:23 Speaker 3: So why they could play with the money and no, so that then when it.

2:37:27 Speaker 4: Got to the president, the president would cut it back to one hundred and sixty five million dollars. So they would they would take the victory lamp of saying we raised you know, we've doubled the amount of the National Endowment for the Arts, aren't we good? And if they didn't get elected on it, then they would cut it. And the president cuts it, then they escapegoat yeah, he's going after the arts. They don't care. They back to where it's all yeah.

2:38:03 Speaker 3: But again you don't have the media telling you the absolute truth. And that's once again where Operation Mockingbird comes in. And it's ridiculous. But people are stupid and they believe what they see in or told because the talking box said so.

2:38:18 Speaker 2: Um, we'll probably wrap up this. I'm uh oh, grabbing a problem with one of the cameras. Dude, what the fuck are you? What is wrong with you?

2:38:27 Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm just sitting here.

2:38:28 Speaker 2: We haven't had of these problems for a while.

2:38:31 Speaker 3: I don't sense anything in his room, and the fact that the dog's laying here in a nap, I don't think anything's about but I maybe I don't know.

2:38:37 Speaker 4: I can't feel anything.

2:38:38 Speaker 2: I mean, I just changed a battery in it and it's dead already.

2:38:42 Speaker 5: I'm not on air, son of a bitch.

2:38:45 Speaker 4: I'm not. That's gonna pack the numbers up.

2:38:47 Speaker 5: That's av LOB is the what have you? AVI Lob is the fauci of UAPs whistling Mike.

2:38:56 Speaker 2: Good Mike Good one, um, just put it back on me. Uh So we have the interview with Lenville this weekend coming up. Super excited. If anyone does have if anyone's a member and they want to get a last minute question submitted, can you want to change your own battery? There's another battery right there.

2:39:21 Speaker 4: I have Lorraine, my wife's, and then chat. That's up, baby girl.

2:39:25 Speaker 3: V you have something following you? Yeah, I know, but it's definitely in this studio, but I don't think it's in this room at this moment. It's definitely out there. When I walked in, I phone.

2:39:35 Speaker 7: Mhm.

2:39:37 Speaker 2: I could have grabbed one. I could have grabbed a battery that was dead though by accident, because there was a couple that was.

2:39:47 Speaker 3: There was one that I that No, no, no, I mean right now, isn't it plugged into power right now?

2:39:51 Speaker 2: No, that's plugged into the camera switcher.

2:39:56 Speaker 4: Talking about yourself, I'll give you a topping.

2:40:02 Speaker 2: But we have the interview with Lenvil Logan this weekend. You came by for that. We're gonna have a lot of fun. I can't wait out out face the label out. We're gonna have a lot of fun doing that. We we I set up this room, Jesus Christ. I can't. I can't watch the struggle.

2:40:29 Speaker 4: By all means, don't use to hand came definitely struggle.

2:40:32 Speaker 2: With the one you're holding a.

2:40:35 Speaker 4: Okay, and the end he's bending over. There's no way he could have done that.

2:40:43 Speaker 5: Six weeks ago.

2:40:44 Speaker 2: I was more concerned about them cigarettsive camera.

2:40:47 Speaker 4: He's hanging over with liquid with liquid.

2:40:51 Speaker 2: And lit cigarette. Yeah, no, biggie.

2:40:56 Speaker 3: Crosh cam.

2:40:57 Speaker 2: So uh we I literally put duct tape on this, uh and we we do this together kind of cam abound a technicalized last minute. I'm definitely gonna have to figure out a way to to to wire this room a little bit better. Yeah, veto proof it, but uh, sorry for any of the issues that might have arised during audio, is pretty pretty good fixed up for that one moment. So yeah, no, it was important me to have everyone on camera to night. Chan's usually behind it.

2:41:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.

2:41:33 Speaker 2: It was different. I actually like sitting in here.

2:41:35 Speaker 3: We just got to figure out a way to kind of taller chairs please.

2:41:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, we just gotta kind of figures.

2:41:42 Speaker 3: Well, actually, you can get the couches that like the same ones that you got out there. You get four of them in here that Yeah.

2:41:46 Speaker 2: That feel a little bit. I thought the couches would feel nice, like it'd be a little.

2:41:50 Speaker 4: Bit more like very low.

2:41:53 Speaker 2: So but we'll be on with Lenville this weekend. It will not be live, but this is the first time we've ever done a live show with the camera switchers too.

2:42:04 Speaker 7: Would you.

2:42:06 Speaker 1: Like that?

2:42:07 Speaker 4: Would you do a live interview?

2:42:09 Speaker 2: Not for the podcast? No, not not even no, not not even not a chance I would.

2:42:20 Speaker 4: Live and anything that's fucking dope.

2:42:21 Speaker 2: Not a chance. But yeah, I like to be able to present a good product.

2:42:28 Speaker 5: And no, no, no, I get what you're saying.

2:42:29 Speaker 4: Sure, you do.

2:42:30 Speaker 2: I like to be able to get that out of there.

2:42:32 Speaker 5: What I'm saying, be cool and different to have them live.

2:42:34 Speaker 2: But the last four episodes, I will say, though it kind of got off without a hitch. Seems like we are hitting our groove as a unit. So it kind of sucks that this like the unit's going to be kind of split up tomorrow or Sun Saturday. So but I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I want I'm not worried. It's gonna be a good time. You can't wait to have Lenville here, and uh, you know, you get to kind of diagnose, you know, I've heard his story. I watched the interview that you did with him. I watched him on Rogan Watch.

2:43:05 Speaker 4: Yes, he watches your stuff.

2:43:07 Speaker 2: I watched it. I watched every interview that I could find with Lenville, the one he did with Rogan, a lot of the interviews he was doing for the program, so you can see him just kind of like focusing on that stuff.

2:43:19 Speaker 4: Huh.

2:43:19 Speaker 2: But I have a lot of technical questions and questions that I think not a single person has asked him on air yet.

2:43:26 Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, I have a lot of technical.

2:43:30 Speaker 2: Questions and I do not think have been asked yet. So I think this is going to be a really fun episode, so everyone will be able to tune in. It'll be out this Monday.

2:43:38 Speaker 4: Thank you to keep my mind available for that one. Yeah, we'll break the fourth wall.

2:43:43 Speaker 2: So with that, veto where can people find you?

2:43:48 Speaker 3: Vido UFO seventy six for the UFO stuff and go stuff and paranormal stuff and if you like retro gaming, it's the perfect storm and gaming at YouTube. But if you just go to my ex or if you go to my took me, click my LinkedIn, all of not LinkedIn my link tree, every single site that we're on is on there.

2:44:06 Speaker 5: And I'm I'm everywhere like God and Jesus.

2:44:07 Speaker 7: That's the truth.

2:44:08 Speaker 4: I'm on every app like God and baby Jesus Jesus.

2:44:14 Speaker 5: I am everywhere like God and Jesus.

2:44:16 Speaker 3: I'm all over, I'm I'm all all knowing, all.

2:44:19 Speaker 4: Right, all right, you know, bless you my.

2:44:22 Speaker 2: Last week that Jane you got the new Black Black grow I'm sorry I can't remember the name.

2:44:29 Speaker 5: Yes, yo, he's been doing some good ship Black Black.

2:44:32 Speaker 4: Grove, Black Grove, glible risk dot com. Actually everything's migrated there, including all of the Engineering Infinity. So even if I had the old Engineering Infinity book dot com link that will bring you to the works in the archive that is all now under Black Grove. Yeah, and so we are doing as I say, uh, the unsexy part of the UAP discussion, which is following the money and the people and the legislation and breaking down what the true motivations are of everything that's happening.

2:45:14 Speaker 2: So if you subscribe and join as a funding member, I think right now you get a little care.

2:45:20 Speaker 4: Package, is that right? Yeah? Yeah, So I mean I caution everybody this is this is designed for financial analysts or c suite board member level individuals who have a focus on their their business sectors and financial markets and and things like that, because this is what I say that you don't you don't need to believe in UAP. You don't need to believe in aliens, you don't need to believe in the Galactic Federation or anything. The fact is the government is structuring, building architecture within the systems and implementing changes because of this that are already beginning to show ripple effects that that people should be prepared for, whether they're doing business with the government or not.

2:46:25 Speaker 4: So it's very much a risk management type things. So if you expect them to go there and get the woo and yes, and so it's a subscription is priced accordingly as other business risk management entities. But yeah, we do offer a lot of very cool sweat.

2:46:47 Speaker 3: No, you're following the money, which is pretty cool, un sexy, but the results as want that.

2:46:58 Speaker 2: What's the work's done at sex? See, it's not sexy doing.

2:47:01 Speaker 4: It, I mean, and it's it'll be, it'll be you know what it'll be is again it's so it's like any market, right, the early adopters are the ones who make out. And so if you are if you are positioned, you know, if you are an existing company that's positioned yourself in anticipation of the changes, then your company is going to do better. If you are looking to enter the world, enter this market, this new market that's developing, now's the time to start understanding what's going on film, you know, and it's not unreasonable to do it because it is the reason all of these people are doing everything that's going on.

2:48:00 Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more. My man can't wait to have you guys back, can't wait to do this again. We have a lot of We have a big fun weekend ahead of us still. So with that being said, everyone Logan, do you have anything to plug?

2:48:16 Speaker 4: If anyone wants to send a belly rub?

2:48:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys want to send you guys want to say if by the way, if that's how I can get some super chats, maybe if you guys want to send.

2:48:26 Speaker 5: Gotta put on my camera.

2:48:28 Speaker 4: Come here, come here, come here, come here.

2:48:33 Speaker 2: So if anyone wants to send Logan a treat, you can send us a super chat or become a member and help us pay for his uh, pay for his bully sticks that he longs.

2:48:46 Speaker 4: Listen, And I learned tonight that if Logan were a human, he would need glasses. And I don't think any dog should be without glasses.

2:48:55 Speaker 2: He's like one of those kids in that forgot.

2:48:59 Speaker 4: I can't see, don't mock me, I can't see what playing.

2:49:04 Speaker 2: In the background. Don't sing it because we'll get taken down.

2:49:08 Speaker 4: Angel. Yeah that one's playing oh oh with the dog. Yeah, just nine cents a d.

2:49:17 Speaker 2: Can save Logan, save him from not not eating ever because he eats great. But stay humble, stay kind, stay vigilant. We'll see you on Monday.

2:49:31 Speaker 4: And I get kisses later.

2:49:37 Speaker 5: No, are we still live?

2:49:40 Speaker 4: Yeah?

2:49:41 Speaker 2: Does not ended to you, m

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