Guarding the Most Paranormal Place on Earth: SKINWALKER RANCH Ft. Kaleb Bench

0:00 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Total Disclosure podcast, where we pull back the veil on the unexplained, the high strangeness, and the stories that main stream sources just won't touch.

0:11 Speaker 2: Today, we're going.

0:11 Speaker 1: Full deep dive mode into one of the most infamous paranormal and UAPI spots on the planet, Skinwalker Ranch in Utah's Uintah Basin. My guest is a man who doesn't just study the ranch from afar, he lives it. Former United States Marine Corps Tank specialist, Deputy sheriff with the Duchane County Sheriff's Office in Utah, and licensed firearm instructor. Most importantly for today, head of security operations at Skinwalker Ranch since late twenty seventeen, and a recurring cast member on the History Channels The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch.

0:51 Speaker 1: Please welcome my friend, the one the only Caleb Bench. You're a former United States Marine Corps tank specialist, current deputy sheriff with Did I say that right?

1:13 Speaker 3: The dou Shane So I do more. I'm back on this is how long it's been since we've talked. Because I was a full time deputy with Dushane County Sheriff's Office. YEP, I shifted over more to do and work with Roosevelt City the last couple of years. Okay, but I'm not really full time because of the ranch and just some of these other opportunities kind of coming up. So I still do law enforcement more in the reserve status.

1:44 Speaker 1: So and you're also a licensed firearms instructor, which I didn't know.

1:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm currently going through and getting that all taken care of, hopefully, because I want to work with this company called Tactical Hive. They have a lot of really good information and I've been doing their program and been doing that.

2:03 Speaker 2: Yes, that's awesome. That's awesome. So and yeah, so I'm just you know, I want to say welcome back.

2:09 Speaker 1: You're one of my favorite favorite Yes, because again, the first time I had you on was I was still doing Total Disclosure. Was still a segment of my old show, so it was a Total Disclosure. I was like it was a little side quest of mine, and then it became full time, you know, and I know carving our time for you is absolutely you know, your wild schedule and to come on the show, I just want to say thank you. So maybe before we jump into like the phenomena, let's give the audience you know, kind of a full picture on who you are if they don't know, and how you ended up guarding one of the literal strangest pieces of real estate on the planet.

2:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, honestly, I guess I'll try and do a quick notes version. Had some stuff happen after my dad passed away in twenty fourteen, some very deep spiritual experiences, and then that led me down into more of the well. Because of that, I had this major shift in mentality at that point, and I ended up getting married about a year later or two years after that also, and it started me down the road of say like self help or you know, you know, the Bob Proctor, the Tony Robbins type of learning actually like truth seeking, if you will, and knowledge gathering and actually implementing it into your life.

3:45 Speaker 3: And for the next three to four years through that twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen up to twenty eighteen, obviously my brother in law, Thomas Winterton, who's the ranch manager. He's very entrepreneurial, owned some hotels at that point, very in my mind, was very successful, and we just headed off on a lot of things, you know, not just because we're brother in laws, you know, but just had some of that same mentality. And my wife is the one that introduced me into one of those teachers and kind of got us shifted, if you will, shift at our entire mindset.

4:26 Speaker 3: But anyways, so Tom ends up bringing brought out to the ranch because Jim Morse or Uncle Jim, when Brandon acquired the property in twenty sixteen, Uncle Jim was one of the first people he sent out here into the basin to kind of do some research and meet people and kind of learn about the area on more personal level, and he ended up staying at Thomas's hotel, and Jim being Jim, he went and found the man in Charge's Jim and Brandon obviously successful businessman, and Jim just that's what he does.

5:03 Speaker 3: He goes and meets people. And that's how Brandon or Bryan Thomas was. Yeah, and so Thomas was.

5:15 Speaker 2: I did not know that Thomas owned hotels.

5:17 Speaker 3: He did, he built.

5:19 Speaker 2: He's pretty wealthy himself.

5:21 Speaker 3: Huh.

5:22 Speaker 2: So he's actually pretty wealthy himself.

5:25 Speaker 3: And he's done pretty well.

5:26 Speaker 1: Yes, but you just I guess you would never like I would never and and this is.

5:30 Speaker 2: A good thing.

5:31 Speaker 1: I would never look at Thomas and be like that dude has tons of money like where because he you know, he's a he's a very like hands on work guy. And I guess you just you never put those together right as like someone is having money and but also like.

5:45 Speaker 3: Really like very very intelligent like that, just very very business minded. Yeah, And and that was his whole thing is he went out did a lot of the research because he built custom homes for a couple of years and kind of got to was this is kind of boring.

6:01 Speaker 1: You know.

6:01 Speaker 3: He wanted something to challenge himself more so he did a lot of research into different businesses, and hotels were the thing. He's like, Okay, I could do this, and he literally went out and built his first like six or to I think maybe eight to ten room kind of building and that's how we started and then built it to multiple locations.

6:23 Speaker 2: Okay.

6:23 Speaker 1: So so Thomas is a kind of a entrepreneur in hisself. Jim connects with Thomas. Thomas is your your brother in law. So I see the big connection coming. And of course we have Brandon and Bryant Arnold or Dragon as people know. As they know they go back to being very good friends. So I can see the through line.

6:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Tom being in the basin obviously Bryant, brand In, Jim, they're all based in Salt Lake City, so they're two and a half hours away, you know, at the very least. And so Brandon was like, you know, Jim, go out there and see if he can make some connections with someone there that's only ten to fifteen minutes away, right, So we kind have boots on the ground kind of thing. And that's where Tom comes in. He becomes a rash manager, starts taking care of the facilities, does the inspection.

7:18 Speaker 3: That's where he found out that there was some stuff on the big Old side that was illegal if you will in regards to building.

7:26 Speaker 2: Code, are you allowed to say, well.

7:30 Speaker 3: It was like they Bigelo basically came in and dropped a trailer without doing any of the permitting, without doing anything, and basically was like you and the counties assuming we'll see what happens. Because he had more money than you know, every pod right kind of thing, and it was just like because he had to get something out there too, right, and he wasn't sit around and wait for this process. He was He's just gonna do it. But anyways, so Tom goes in and fixes a bunch of is you know, major issues in regards to the structures and and starts implementing you know, camera systems and things like that with Eric as Eric had as Yeah, right, the principal investigator.

8:19 Speaker 3: Eric was the one to go okay, you know, when branding up the property. He basically didn't inherit any information either outside of right.

8:29 Speaker 1: A lot of people, a lot of people don't know that that like Bigelow. Bigelow's work was done for what is known as AWSOT or even before that with NIDS, so a lot of his work did not get handed over to the Now did did Brandon purchase the ranch from Bigelow or was there an intermediary?

8:57 Speaker 3: No? It from my understanding, Brandon and Bigelow know each other or knew each other. And that's and they met through I'm through oh my gosh, sorry, investment friend. They met through uh like real estate dealings, is my understanding, or you know, they were in that world together and they ended up meeting and that's you know where that kind of that connection kind of happened. And so Brandon about the ranch from Bigelow, okay, and again in twenty sixteen, and but but that but what you're hitting on, say, with like the NIDS and the other stuff, big O being a private company, they partnered with Big O. Low to my with my understanding and what I've been told through you know, Jay and and Travis throughout the years and the research that we've done in the background, is that's why you partner with a you have a private company.

9:59 Speaker 3: Is private company doesn't have to release information if they.

10:02 Speaker 4: Don't want to, absolutely not.

10:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So so just take that information and when you start looking at different companies or different involvements and say this topic, you know, if it's a private company, they don't have to release crap.

10:16 Speaker 1: Exactly, it's right, completely exempt from that for a process. They do not owe the public any explanation beyond any permitting and stuff that would be public and publicly assessable. They don't, you know, they don't owe anyone anything.

10:35 Speaker 4: Nope.

10:38 Speaker 3: And that's where when Brandon comes in. So and you know, this is the thing with Brandon is when he came in, he did not want anybody to know he was the owner.

10:46 Speaker 1: Of the ranch for such a long time by the way, that information was pretty well kept secret.

10:53 Speaker 3: And he structured it in a way where it was down near impossible for anyone to really go in and start doing the research through the public information available and find out that was him right, And Tom helped him with certain and that's why Tom kind of became the public face of the ranch as the ranch manager for a little bit early on. It's because Tom was out here dealing with you in the county making things legal, doing that work right through that twenty sixteen, in the twenty seventeen time period, so you know, Tom did a lot of the leg work and got the one the one road through the ranch true vacated and it became a private road because during the entire time Bigelo owned it, it was technically a private road.

11:38 Speaker 3: He couldn't stop anybody from driving down it legally.

11:41 Speaker 1: Technically, Oh so he can he can stop people from essentially trespassing. And because there's a lot of like film stuff that's like pre pre Brandon's purchase of the ranch, there was a lot of like filming, Like I remember like Jeremy Cormel Carbell did a documentary on the ranch.

12:03 Speaker 3: I came out in twenty eighteen and that was one of the first So.

12:07 Speaker 2: That was post purchase.

12:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, So okay, because it still looked pretty like it was in its infancy.

12:13 Speaker 4: As far as it was.

12:15 Speaker 3: That was within the first two years of branding owning the property God when Jeremy got permission to come out and do that with Georgianna Robbie Williams in that group. That was March twenty eighteen when that was filmed.

12:27 Speaker 1: Do you sorry to cut in. I'm a little bit of a delay, so I might sound like I'm interrupted. I promise, I'm I'm trying not to. I want to ask you this question. How do you know or how what do you think? Why was the Why was Brandon? Why do you think he was swayed to actually purchase the ranch from Bigelow.

12:49 Speaker 3: I've always he was curious. He wants answers, just like all of us.

12:57 Speaker 2: But at first he didn't want to be known.

12:59 Speaker 1: It was almost like he was doing this privately, and you know, this was going to be an expensive endeavor. This was going to be a property that you bought and and you were going to have to put money into and and the resales just it's not really like it doesn't you see what I mean? Like it didn't really fit brands a project book.

13:22 Speaker 3: If you will, you know if you and I've heard him talk about this and you know and answer these kinds of and you know, yeah, as a looking at as a business standpoint, it was a stupid.

13:34 Speaker 2: Investment, right, That's what we thought, right.

13:39 Speaker 3: But his whole thing was driven by curiosity. He's he's obviously interested in this kind of thing, but he didn't want anybody to know because in the world that he was doing business in a lot of stigmatism or you know, he could be made fun of kind of thing like it was, or people would he would lose credibility, right with certain people because of the history of the ranch, if you will, Right, that was one reason why he was like, no one's going to know that I bought this. But he was curious and wanted to know if it's actually if there's something going on out there, And very early on he had some very cool experiences and that's what drove him to go, Okay, there's something going on out here.

14:18 Speaker 3: This isn't just you know nothing, There is something going on out here, and we and I'd like to find out. And and then and you know, so Eric comes in very early on, he has some crazy stuff happened, and that makes him go Okay, what's going on here? Right? And Thomas obviously playing that role of ranch manager, helping Eric implement more instrumentation on the ranch, more observational science assets, because very early on Eric was very much we're just going to observe and see what's going on.

14:54 Speaker 2: Okay.

14:55 Speaker 1: Was everyone familiar with the the lure that comes with skinwalker ranch?

14:59 Speaker 2: Now?

15:00 Speaker 1: I mean from the Big Low days, right, We've all we all heard the stories, right, the Lakatski days as well. You know, Skinwalkers at the Pentagon is a you know, arguably it's a it's a pretty like widely distributed book. I would say, like a lot of people had eyes on it. So this idea of the skin walker, because it didn't.

15:24 Speaker 2: Doesn't really get its name till later.

15:27 Speaker 1: But the idea of the skin walker, like, did you guys understand fully what you were getting into?

15:32 Speaker 3: Okay? So a couple of things, you know in this kind of line of question, if you will. So obviously skinwalker comes from the Navajo term, you know, and uh, and skinwalker is essentially a doctor or witch doctor or which that commits pretty evil acts and takes on abilities and where's the skin of whatever animal? Like it's not just to say a coyote or a wolf like they can kind of takes on the aspects of other things, right, and that goes back generations, And that was the history that we've kind of found, is that the Navajo and the u have negative relations, and in the eighteen hundreds, the Navajo got pushed out of this area by the Utes, who allied themselves with the US Army, so the and in retaliation, the Navajo reportedly cursed areas in the basin, Skinwalker Ranch being one of those, or the ridgeline above it that historically has been known as the Path of the Skinwalker or Skinwalker Ridge, and then also prior to the terminology of the ranch being called Skinwalker Ranch, it was called Ufo Ranch by the people who were in the basin for a long time because of the sightings that were reported here, which some of the first ones are all the way back to the nineteen fifteen timeframe, nineteen twenties.

16:59 Speaker 3: And this is kind of an interesting, interesting one I just kind of learned about myself was my wife's grandparents, Tom's paternal grandparents both died within a week of each other, just in December, and that led my wife and I kind of reading more mostly my wife reading a lot of her family history, and she has in that line back to eighteen eighty three, one of the first settlers out here, her ancestor, like her great great great grandpa whatever, had an experience where an orb came out of the sky, freaked out him, his friend, their horses, Their horses bolted, and this light sat there hovered in front of them, then took off.

17:41 Speaker 3: That was reported in eighteen eighty three, and I was going, holy crap, you know, that's a that's not only just a family thing, but that's like very that's eighteen eighty three.

17:52 Speaker 2: This is like soon.

17:54 Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty close to when, the not when, but like it's as close to the curses placed to the first sighting.

18:04 Speaker 2: You know that that's a short period of time.

18:07 Speaker 3: Well, and then that's the thing is when you go, like we've kind of shown this a lot. There's the Masonic symbol that's carved onto the mesa right above where the command center sits. You know, it's within a couple hundred yards and that Masonic symbol the history that we've kind of found, and I know Bigelow did some of this research also, and that's where some of our basis to do the deeper dive was those Buffalo soldiers come out or the I want to say it was the Ninth Cavalry, I think, which were the Buffalo soldiers from the Civil War.

18:40 Speaker 3: And there was a gentleman who was in that unit who grew up I think a slave in the South, got his freedom, joined the cavalry to fight in the Civil War, ends up getting the Medal of Honor is attached to this unit that then gets sent west. And that unit was at Fort Duchane or Old Fort Duchane, and they're the ones who had the directive to keep the Utes in the in the reservation right And I did a deep dive into that. And then you had the Mormon settlers that were out here obviously, and historically there was also an Irish infantry unit that was stationed out there with the Buffalo soldiers, and historically all those groups had pretty decent relations and when and there were times when the Utes would try to leave the reservation at different times to go back into Colorado where a lot of their traditional territory was also the Muffalo soldiers were the ones that went out and round and rounded a bump and actually protected them from Colorado militian settlers and brought them back.

19:57 Speaker 2: Whoa.

19:57 Speaker 3: And so anyways, that gentleman I told you about, his name was Augustus Wall or Augustus Wallly, I can't remember exactly, but he was reportedly a Masonic member because the officers to the Buffalo Soldiers were Masonic members also, and they were the ones who were brought in some you know, some of the Buffalo Soldiers themselves and we're like, hey, come joint interest. And so the idea of where this Masonic symbol came from was maybe because his initials are there and aw is there, and so we make that assume or the assumption that it was Augustus Wall who carved this symbol on the ranch.

20:46 Speaker 3: And when you know where the actual physical force was, that was like two or three days ride away from the property. And so for him to come down here and carve that symbol, or someone who's a Masonic member to come from the fort and carve this on symbol into the rock, which it's not small, it's pretty good side, and you're gonna have to take like a big metal pick and a hammer and hammer this in. Maybe that's half day's work whatever. But that's very you know, that's a lot of commitments come out and put that there.

21:25 Speaker 3: Why, right, And then that's obviously we have petroglyphs or pictographs on the ranch. We have Chris Roberts are archaeologists and other members on the security team, and you know, going back to Chris Bartel during Bigelow's time. And I have another marine who's on my security team right now, Nate, who has also found a lot of arrowheads, native or tribal pottery things like that. You know, there's other archaeological evidence confirmed by Chris that shows potential human interaction or even living on this property all the way back to ten thousand plus years ago, right, So lots of history.

22:05 Speaker 3: And then there's other areas in this in the basin that I've had the opportunity to go and find and locate with other individuals, you know, showing lots of cool stuff.

22:20 Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, Bartek the narrative all the way back to confirm stuff in the eighteen hundreds, right, and then obviously fast forward there's the Meyers family, there's the Sherman family.

22:33 Speaker 3: There's all this stuff that happens, and there was reported activity for years right. And then law enforcement has given me a pretty good handle on some other information because other officers, older officers of shared stories. Obviously everyone might be familiar with, say Chris pour It his involvement during the Myers and Sherman timeframe and the big leading into the Big Low area. Yeah, so we had that kind of information. We went more with that historical Okay, what's going on here? And then obviously there was the gentleman.

23:10 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, he was our the teacher out here.

23:15 Speaker 2: Oh oh oh yeah, right, right, very, I do know who.

23:18 Speaker 4: You're talking about.

23:19 Speaker 3: I can't believe I can't remember his name, but.

23:22 Speaker 1: I'll hit you. You're you're gonna remember it when I asked you this. Uh so I brought it up a minute ago. Now, throughout the decade, throughout the ages, obviously, the skin walker in the UFO have been large parts of.

23:35 Speaker 2: The ranch's history and more.

23:38 Speaker 1: If we're going to actively believe that a skin walker is a real thing, are you guys prepared or how do you take one of these things down if need be? Well, I know he has a pretty wild experience. He's been on the show before. He's I think we're going to bring him back on his encounter of what he what what? What sounded like a wolf?

24:04 Speaker 3: The wolf for a kind of a massive.

24:06 Speaker 1: Can it's been It's that shivers up my spine him telling that story. I mean, if you're to run into a skinwalker, how do you take one of these things down?

24:17 Speaker 2: If they are legitimately a.

24:22 Speaker 3: So this is where obviously I haven't had that kind of experience where I've yeah, I'll say it this way, I guess is I've had every kind of experience out on that ranch outside of I haven't met bigfoot, I haven't met a little green alien, and I haven't met a skinwalker yet. So those are about the three things I have not had any interaction with which I'm fine not having that interaction, right. I have my shoshone friend who's always like, hey, if you want to go see a big foot, I can take you out and take you where they are.

24:51 Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, I know the initial reaction of okay, whatever, But after having the experiences in seen some of this other stuff on the ranch and at my house and in other areas, I'm going I'm not going to discount that.

25:07 Speaker 1: I get that cryptid I think I think the cryptid stuff I think the bigfoot stuff is is obviously where you know, because the UFOs are one thing, right, Bigfoot is a whole another.

25:19 Speaker 2: It's a whole other thing.

25:20 Speaker 3: It's a whole Oh sorry if I'm cutting in.

25:24 Speaker 1: There, it's okay, it's it's it's it is a can of worms. And people's eyes glaze over when you start talking when when there's a mention of anything like that. But I think to say that that it just doesn't exist, I think just shows that you're probably naive and just not open to things that you don't you can't physically like compent comprehend.

25:48 Speaker 3: So I would say that there, you know, this itself is an interesting topic, right, So I wouldn't say that obviously. There are the ones that I would say naive, right, Like I for example, I got the comment earlier on something I posted from a couple of weeks ago, and it's like, oh man, you guys will believe anything, or you people believe anything, And I'm like, I immediately wanted to fire back, and you'll disbelieve ever, disbelieve everything, right, because I look at it like, look, there's a lot going on, and when it comes to say there is a connection between Bigfoot and UFO in a certain way.

26:27 Speaker 3: And this is one of the few connections that Eric will actually kind of entertain if you will, Right, So, I remember I told you the story about the thing that Travis kN I interacted with the cloaked object or the object that I had my pistol out.

26:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one of the most That was one of my favorite scenes from the earlier seasons.

26:51 Speaker 2: But if you move, can you retell?

26:53 Speaker 3: Yeah? So brief, real brief, this is probably the craziest thing that I've ever interacted with on the are the most exciting.

27:01 Speaker 1: Like you pulled your weapon. It takes a lot for a marine to pull their weapon like that.

27:06 Speaker 4: Yeah.

27:06 Speaker 3: So anyways, very early on we're filming, we're back on the Edge filming season two. At that point, this is like the first week or second week that we're out there.

27:18 Speaker 3: We're out barbecuing Travis, Eric, myself, and Thomas. We're all sitting out at this picnic table in front of Travis's trailer and essentially I start hearing what I would describe as an electrical arcing or some kind of you know, snapping or something like that behind me and pass these trees kind of over by the corral by the command center. And this goes on for a couple of minutes and I just get this film like we're being watched here on the back of my neck stands up. At one point, I tell the guys, hey, I feel like we're being watched.

27:55 Speaker 3: We all got quiet. We hear that sound. I get up, I pull my pistol kick on the flashlight. Travis stacks up behind me. Thomas and Eric walked out to the road to see if there was something, you know, to kind of look around there. Travis and I walk around this old trailer and basically I illuminate an object that was rectangular in shape. It had a gold ambush color. It was very reflective. My gun light comes across as I'm swinging over to this object, whatever it was, and I see my I see two shadows in the reflection of this.

28:34 Speaker 3: I go that's Travis Knight's reflection and there and there's some other details of the physical object itself. And essentially I get to the point where I'm like, is this an actual threat? Right? And that's going through my head is I'm not. I don't want to ignore this feeling that we're being watched, that is this something stocking us. You know. One of our initial reactions was as a mountain lion out there, you know. Know. So anyways, I go to pull my I go, okay, if this is threat, I'm gonna get as ready as I can.

29:10 Speaker 3: And I go to put my finger on the on the trigger of my pistol, and the thing either closes in on itself in the center or turns on its center access disappears. Travis and I go chasing after this because we had the distinct feeling that it went up to Mesa. We didn't find any tracks, there was no other sound. And so coming into the UFO side and the bigfoot stuff, Eric has heard stories where people swear they see big hairy animal out there running around on two feets, but then it transforms into an orban and goes away.

29:43 Speaker 2: Right, I've heard this as well, Right, And.

29:46 Speaker 3: So that's so there's this little connection there because bigfoot is not anything that we really care about on the investigation side, you know, as an official basis, like, it's not what we really care to investment.

29:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not what you're out there for.

30:00 Speaker 3: No, but this is where kind of a story you might not have heard during Phenomenicon here in Vernal. You know, this is the thing that we do every year. We and we're we're you know, we bring out Nick Pope, we bring out as John Henry and these different individuals not John.

30:22 Speaker 2: Harry and I mean all the guys.

30:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we're oh and there are the Bigfoot there. You know, it's it's a convention.

30:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fun, you bring everyone conference.

30:36 Speaker 3: Anyways, a group from Oregon came in like twenty twenty two or something like that, and they were like, Eric, will show you something, and he was kind of like he was he was being gracious. Well, it's a five or six that they saw this. They're out looking for big foot, but they all swear that they see bigfoot running through the trees. One of them has a camera out, records it and goes, we got it. We got the proof. They go back to watch the video and it's not Big Harry Bigfoot that they're all seeing with their eyes.

31:15 Speaker 3: It's an orb or a not not an orbit. It was more of a cloaked figure of some kind. And when Eric saw that, he was like immediately thought of what Travis Knight had seen. Didn't tell us, got the recording of it, and then sat us down and showed us a video and it's like and said, was this what you saw or is this similar to what you saw that night? And yes, very similar.

31:42 Speaker 2: And you'd agree that it was similar.

31:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it had that similar I think predator cloaking effect right.

31:52 Speaker 1: As goofy as it may sound, it's something that we can think about as a in relationship, Yes, experient.

31:59 Speaker 3: So so that's that's the kind of thing too. By the way that Eric does is you know, so I've had a lot of experiences in regards to you come into the ranch, and I was one that was not very front loaded, if you will. And Eric makes a very strong point of not frontloading people given the chance, and obviously as the more the show comes out, it's a lot harder to do. Yeah, there's still a lot of experiences that I've had or the teams had that are interesting in this type of sequence, if you will.

32:39 Speaker 1: I was gonna it's actually weird that you bring it up, because I was going to say that one of my questions is, you know, how do you stop people like like the contractors and all the people that you guys are bringing on the ranch. How do you blanket them from coming in with too much of like either or like an unbiased.

33:03 Speaker 3: Right, we do more like saying in uh, in law enforcement, we you don't ask leading questions, right, you ask very neutral maybe yes or no questions. Right, You're very careful on that and so and like I said, as as it's got more popular, and obviously it's more mainstream now, it's much more difficult to ask people okay, or I won't say difficult, but it's much more difficult for us to have a someone coming on to the property, like a third party witness or something, or expert with equipment helping with investigation, something that has not heard of the ranch now or maybe hasn't been you know, exposed to some type of phenomena or something right or being or heard something.

33:54 Speaker 3: And that's so that was what I was getting at too, is like, you know, going back to when I first come to the ranch, Yes I had heard of Skinwalker Ranch, but I was not very knowledgeable in in any kind of the phenomena. I've this was never my area of interest, if you will, growing up nineties kid. Obviously, yes I'm exposed to Star Wars more Hammer, you know, I'm very much am a fan of that kind of stuff.

34:26 Speaker 4: Right.

34:26 Speaker 3: I played StarCraft all the way growing up. I you know, I was exposed to the sy thire realm, if you will, But having that experience of it crossing over into an actual, real, physical thing never really sunk well you know, sunk into me, if you will.

34:45 Speaker 2: Right.

34:45 Speaker 3: It wasn't anything I was actively looking for, right, It was much more of this idea, Oh that'd be cool. It was real, you know. That was one of my first thoughts when I came to the ranches. I'm here, I start because Tom calls me like a week before Halloween in twenty seventeen and goes, hey, do you want to come out and do security out here?

35:10 Speaker 1: Like you're actually doing legitimate like hey, we might have trespassers on Halloween night? Can you come over do the round? So this is okay, I want to get into this.

35:20 Speaker 3: That was my introduction.

35:21 Speaker 1: That's your first quote unquote patrol of the ranch.

35:24 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So Halloween twenty seventeen was my first day on Skinwalker Ranch.

35:31 Speaker 2: Okay, so take us through it. What happened?

35:34 Speaker 3: Well, Tom calls me like three or four days before, Hey, do you can you come help do security out here? The owners looking for someone big and has you know, has some experience in this and that's in the area, and you know, and Tom's going to get like, you're one of the few people I would trust to do this.

35:47 Speaker 4: I was like okay, and let's go and so.

35:53 Speaker 3: And also the clarify is ranches. Thomas's involvement on the ranch, you know that year and a half pre all through twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. At this point, I had been hearing him talking with other family members at like Sunday dinner, right, and They're all going, tell us what's going on.

36:10 Speaker 4: I was like whatever.

36:13 Speaker 3: I was like, what's the big deal? You know, it's yeah, right, yeah, I was like, okay, whatever. And so again, like I'd heard of Skinwalker Ranch, right, and it was kind of that it's the local place like Tom describes where the kid all the high school kids take their dates late at night to try and get you know, oh girl scared, and you know, that's what it was.

36:45 Speaker 2: And I was like, what for Necker's right, that's hilarious.

36:53 Speaker 3: And then if you understand some of Tom's history where he had some very crazy stuff happening on the ranch in that timeframe, that's me coming onto the property the first time, and he starts really going into that deep dive with me and giving me more of that background. That's when I start going, okay, like I'm still you know, I'm not going to discount it, but I'm not going to sit here and be like a fangirl about this, right. I'm actually I'm coming out here to do the security side of it, you know, part you know, it was kind of a part time thing.

37:22 Speaker 3: And I and and Tom. I start hearing some of his interactions. He warns me about certain sound at that point in time, like he you know, there's things that Okay, let's yeah, like apparently there was a thing about if you hear a certain sound, get the hell out, so that kind of stuff. And then as I go through and I start having experiences on the ranch myself, I report it back to Eric and Brandon and Thomas, and a great example of this is first thing that I ever saw on the ranch that made me go, what the hell something's actually going on out here.

37:59 Speaker 3: I was out with two individuals. I was basically babysitting them. It was June twenty eighteen, so six or seven months with my involvement on the ranch, and we're out in the middle of this field and imagine shutting all the lights off in your room. It's one thirty in the morning, and again I'm out in the middle of a field between Homstead two and Homestead three. The whole area lights up like someone flipped light switch on and it just lights up green. Go figure out all the damn colors. It's that bright neon alien green.

38:32 Speaker 3: And I could see like it was daylight and lasted for about a second, maybe two to three seconds. That light goes away. I know this something out of the corner of my eye. There's a light and object coming out of the sky above Homestead two. I don't know if it went into Homestead two or if it was behind closer to the Mesa, but the moment it kind of went and was obscured by the trees, it went away. I get my phone out. I text Eric and Brandon, Hey, this happened like a like a military or police report.

39:03 Speaker 3: Give him all the information I can right. Eric sat on that for like three years. He asked me questions. He was curious about it. Obviously, he wanted to know the circumstances. I walked through the story with him multiple times, and much greater do you tell them what I just did. But he comes to me one year and he's like, I've been I wanted to show you this for years. I just kind oft remember where I put it. Very are, around the time Brandon bought the property, they did have meetings with Bigelow and Eric Davis, Jacques Vallet, these other individuals.

39:41 Speaker 2: Say, these people that almost facilitated the purchase.

39:45 Speaker 3: Yes, And because there were those discussions between Eric, Eric Davis and again the scientists Kit Green, these other individuals from the big low time with Eric bart and they still have interactions that they still.

40:01 Speaker 2: Talk, but it's not like radio silence. It's just less frequent.

40:06 Speaker 3: Yeah. But anyways, Jacques Ballet had a journal where he wrote about a green light appearing on somewhere on the vicinity of the ranch or something very similar to what I saw. Eric remembered seeing that when he had that discussion with Jacques Ballet in like twenty sixteen twenty. You know, prior to my involvement on the ranch, I had no idea about that conversation. And again Eric comes back to me like twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two years after I had that experience and goes shows me that a picture of the diary, going, is this what you saw?

40:51 Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, and that has multiple that has happened to me multiple times over my involvement on the ranch. Is I experienced something, I go and report it to Eric or Travis or Brandon, and it comes back to me that it was a reported activity or a reported type of phenomena years before by somebody else. Right, And it comes back to the front loading part is I had no idea.

41:21 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you couldn't have known about those reports previous.

41:25 Speaker 2: Right, It's not it's so it's it's.

41:28 Speaker 1: Not that case of like front loading is what you're saying, and you you also had other experiences. I mean, I know there's the there's the the one that's kind of frequent, or was frequent in the beginning, was your phone specifically, Right, it was like malfunctioning and so flipping through.

41:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're you're hitting on a topic, and yeah, they highlighted my phone, especially in season two with some of this stuff. It was happening all their season one and there's some parts where you see it, but it wasn't just my phone. That was actually one of the first things that caught Eric's attention was his phone? Did it in twenty sixteen?

42:10 Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah right.

42:12 Speaker 3: So it's very much a thing or a phenomena that happens to multiple people. In fact, this is one that I was just reminded of just recently last couple of days. They shared a kind of a short from when I was walking around with some of partners that were doing our website with. I was talking about this giant bulldozer during season three that lost twelve batteries in a day, brand new batteries, all sucked dry by something. And the owner of the bulldozer, Jake Huffman, blasting expert, has a lot of experience in the oil field, comes out, it's his equipment.

42:55 Speaker 3: He's coming out with the vault meter, touches the batteries, and the vaultmeter says help, and this vault meter can't.

43:02 Speaker 4: Put help on that.

43:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well, you know, obviously thinking about it as like a calculator. You can spell out certain words, right.

43:12 Speaker 4: But it doesn't tricks.

43:13 Speaker 2: But but yeah, you're saying it's spelled out help.

43:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't go in there and do that. It's it's just it's a dead you know. You flip the switch, put the connections on there to read the voltage. You can't sit there and type in a number, right, it's not so and for it to start flashing help when he does that freaked them the hell out. But that morning and this is something again, this is something

43:47 Speaker 3: when season three, when we got back out to do season three, I tried making the phone call to Travis and my wife one day, and both times my phone connected to something and I heard, like, imagine like the closest thing I can describe is like decepticons or autobots that weird.

44:13 Speaker 2: Electronic electronic, Yeah.

44:16 Speaker 3: Like voice type thing. And I was like, what the hell? And yeah, because what it was is I tried calling Travis because he was on another part of the property and I was like, what the hell? And then and I was like, what the hell?

44:29 Speaker 4: That was odd?

44:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And.

44:32 Speaker 3: I was like is that just like and that's what probably me to call my wife? I was like, is this like something going on with my phone? So I tried to call my wife. Neither of the and it happened again, but neither of the phones from Travis from my wife showed that I tried calling them.

44:49 Speaker 2: But yours say is it connected. Yeah, that's fucking wild.

44:55 Speaker 3: So I do that. And then it was like two weeks later, Jake Huffman's coming on to the property. He's sitting down in front of the front gate and tries calling his wife his phone. Does that it connected to something and he heard this crazy mechanical whateverwards whatever you want to call it, I don't know. He comes on and he was like this just happened. I was like, you two and he was just like what, So I haven't thought about that for years.

45:29 Speaker 1: Well, think we'll also line that up with one of the stories that the principal investigator Eric talks about is and I think he I think they talked about in the show.

45:40 Speaker 2: I can't I can't remember.

45:41 Speaker 1: I think it was in the show and in Jesse Michaels's like trip there, it's one of the stories he tells him about how the cameras kept like like he was like, uh, he was, you know whatever, he was off the property, but he kept getting buzzed by the cameras like hey, something's here or something here.

45:59 Speaker 3: I know what you're talking about.

46:00 Speaker 4: Well, yeah to those.

46:01 Speaker 1: Room and was like, fuck, just tell me what if they if you want to show me something.

46:07 Speaker 2: Show me.

46:07 Speaker 1: If you want to tell me something, tell me, and then you can maybe finish that one because I, well, I don't.

46:14 Speaker 3: Like going too much into that one, just because Eric doesn't like the perceived like what people start jumping to the conclusion, the conclusions and stuff like that. But essentially it's what you call the story.

46:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, it freezes.

46:32 Speaker 3: He has this documented, he has these screenshots, he has this stuff, and essentially he was getting these like fifteen hundred notifications that something was moving around inside the command center. And this was before it looked like it does today. This is basically looks like what it did under Bigelow's time, which is a trailer that these guys, the security guards and Bigelow would live in when they were on the property or guests. So it just looked like you're every day, run of the mill double wide trailer.

46:59 Speaker 1: Yeah.

47:00 Speaker 3: But Eric basically watched these cameras for hours, going I'm gonna catch whatever's doing this gets to the point where he's like done with it, says what you just said, the screen does this weird melting thing. And we've had it analyzed and asked, like graphic experts in the movie industry and other in the gaming industry if they could do this type of thing at that time, and they were like they can, they cann't replicate it. Essentially, it has this little message and that's answering question if you have something to show me, show me.

47:36 Speaker 3: If you have something to tell me, tell me. And the words that are in the security footage don't match up it. You know, there's part of this where but it essentially says.

47:44 Speaker 1: I living and I'm gonna show it because what it does is it takes what's like you guys, you guys know you've you've seen security feeds they have like you know what it will say like living room or.

47:59 Speaker 3: Well like like what's in front of us? Yeah, now, has I have Caleb right here? You have ty Roberts.

48:06 Speaker 1: Those words to form essentially that yep, and and and that. I mean, this is all online with and and and The reason I'm kind of jumping here is because there's also this one point six gigahertz signal that's being found that is very very consistent, and but the frequency is only reserved for typical space based communication. This is as yes, and it's kind of a reserved band, and it's it's.

48:40 Speaker 3: It's illegal to broadcast at that frequency, yes, and so we have permissions, we do things in a certain way to where we are and we're obviously on the middle of nowhere. Generally we're not broad casting that, we're just looking for it.

48:57 Speaker 1: So there's that, right, And and then there's this this idea that there you guys have found something that is buried in the mesa and it is lenticular in a in shape to some degree, to some degree, it's it's it's it's how would you describe its shape from from looking at the light ar and stuff.

49:18 Speaker 3: Well, so obviously we have the Grand Pedant training radar showing returns there. And why we kind of have that idea that it's to say a dome shape is because the first year and the second year, the individual Aaron Blunt, that we had come out to do this vertical drilling

49:37 Speaker 3: hit an object and couldn't go through it with his drill and then something pushed his drill bit down at one point and he was trying to push, you know, bring the drill back. He was trying to go through the object, and he's thinking that something on the edge of it has you know, started push from the drill bit down and then and he was trying to keep coming up and it kept pushing it down. And that's where we got all that all those metal flakes because it was a paddle bit heead so it looks like your hand, yeah, and it just sits there and if you will smacks whatever that object was and takes off all these metal flakes that we get that that's right.

50:21 Speaker 3: Then there's another one where he hits it and it pushes it up and he's trying to push it down. So that's where he's going. It's like a you get this dome shape potentially, right, So that's where some of that data comes from. And why we're going, is there a dome shaped object in there that leads us to the other company that comes out bigger drill Mark's Construction or Mark Construction from the last couple of years and do these two boreholes And that's where we get the ceramic like material that we found that you I'm assuming you've seen season six and all that.

50:55 Speaker 1: Yes, so you guys are getting a lot of this like really and and this material uh is frequently used in space space travel, like like space based technology, right.

51:09 Speaker 3: So that's what it's compared to yes, So we have the metal that's fired and it has two distinct chemical compositions, and that's the metal material that we found with Aaron Blunt on one side as posted the other. So like think a coin and you flip it and on the two sides there's two distinct material compositions. And the experts at the University of Utah that we went to said, yeah, it was as if it was fired and was definitely or it was definitely fired and created in some kind of furnace or something.

51:43 Speaker 1: Right.

51:44 Speaker 3: And then and the ceramic material, the ceramic like material that we pulled out and Chris Roberts recognized, yes, very similar, same thing has a lot of the same material composition or LMS elemental composition that is used by spaceship tiles, right, because your spaceship tiles are a ceramic right. So yeah, you know, we I don't want we don't actually know if that is space age material, right, That's a part of the mystery. And so I'm just I want to be careful about how you know.

52:25 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, I and I totally get what you're you have to be. Yeah, I'm like this too. Of course, this is all allegedly with with with these expert opinions that we've been given. This is the information that's.

52:41 Speaker 3: It's pointing towards certain things, right and that and that That's another point is like the evidence is people like to focus on one thing, you know, especially like the crowd that likes to dis kind of they look at one thing and and try and throw it out, and and and so I I this is where I go back to elect The long enforcement side is one piece of evidence can or cannot throw you know, the investigation in certain ways. But that's just one piece. You can't throw out the entire evidence collection right at the end of day.

53:15 Speaker 3: Like, that's why court cases take so long. So why investigations take so long, because you're going after the totality of the circumstances. Yeah, right, And yes, there are pieces of evidence that can absolutely change the direction of investigations. And that's again why we're so careful because we know that they're I know, personally one of these people and other individuals. Obviously people know that people go out and create stuff and or trying to make something more than what it is. Right when you start going down that road, we have a term for it in the in law enforcement, it's called fruit the poisonous tree.

54:00 Speaker 3: One. If you are creating false evidence or or doing something illegal, that's that will get your entire case thrown out. Or if you are you know, lying about stuff, you know like that, that's what fruit of the poisonous tree is, is you're gaining information through illegal means to try and sway your case. Right. We're extremely diligent and don't want to go and will not go down that road, right, which is too crazy because if you start doing that in just one case, what's to stop you from doing it in other cases?

54:39 Speaker 3: Right? That's why we stick to you know, the official when it comes to the official investigation. We're doing what we can with the scientific method, using equipment, you know, doing it the way we're doing it.

54:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, Right, And I think I think the progression that at least that I've seen is you know where it started to like when I want to ask you about this is you know, it's gone along a long way from being you know, big Lows Skinwalker ranch and you know all those like cryptid stories, and it's really shifted into the later latter years being more of an investigator investigation into not like the nuts and bolts, But you guys are still you know, you're not drawing conclusions, and it's and it is more of a science based approach.

55:36 Speaker 4: That's what it's always been.

55:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I and I really do respect that.

55:40 Speaker 1: I do think it's probably the most expensive, ongoing, probably ever investigation into the phenomena. And I while I'm why, I know you guys don't like to speculate. I mean you've phoned in on this area.

55:55 Speaker 3: What we so we try to make it very clear we we will go into this realm of speculation, right, that's where some of our ideas for different experiments comes from. Obviously it's it's very is very much part of the discussion. But where we try to make that very clear. Look, this is speculation. This is us having fun talking about certain things. Right, based on what we're the experiences and the experiments and the data. Again, we're like Eric has made it in Travis, we follow the data right absolutely.

56:29 Speaker 3: So you know we have something happened in season one with a laser where you they shoot one laser at the mesa and you start seeing two lasers open around. That was crazy, right, and that leads and so that stuck with me so I'm like, why don't we take him laser shoot it straight up in the triangle. So I go season three, two years later, I have that opportunity. I shoot a laser up and there's an interruption in the beam, like it's the laser split. I apologize. My mother in law's out on the yard now, so hopefully so sorry if you hear.

57:09 Speaker 2: That, so I will cut it.

57:14 Speaker 3: But yeah, so I go out and I shoot that laser up. The first thing I see is there's an interruption in the beam. I keep hitting whatever that object is up there, and it's moving and something splits the beam. You and you also see a picture where the beam curves, you know, two three hundred feet up in the in the sky.

57:38 Speaker 1: And there right, which is pretty Again, so you guys have focused on these so even the triangle, right, that's all these.

57:47 Speaker 3: All these different things happen, you know, like that, that's that's what's it's a convergence. Yeah, when you really look at all the totality of all these things going on, I don't know how anyone can throw that out.

58:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys have gotten a lot of very very interesting data, and I think a lot of people, a lot of people might, you know, they might like to talk about the more fantastical elements like the actual curse, right, the the like the.

58:19 Speaker 2: The mysticism of that and the and the actual ranch. Right.

58:23 Speaker 1: And I think even in the earlier seasons, you know, you guys explored that a little bit more than you are now because.

58:30 Speaker 2: You don't need to do all that recap.

58:33 Speaker 1: But I mean people were really affected by the Ranch in the beginning, but not as.

58:38 Speaker 4: Much now, right, Oh well we are.

58:43 Speaker 3: Well that's how I asks.

58:45 Speaker 2: How is that? Because in the earlier seasons you see.

58:48 Speaker 1: A lot of people getting like, like like physically something physically wrong, and I feel like that hasn't happened in a while. And I was gonna ask if there was any follow up like that still going on?

58:59 Speaker 2: Is it just less again?

59:01 Speaker 4: It's still it one.

59:02 Speaker 3: We can't make the Ranch tap dance, right, We're the ones being made to tap dance, if you will. But the Ranch is affecting people even today. And and this is one of those other parts is you guys are getting your information. If you're watching the television show, you're getting less than like one percent of the total information, and you're getting like the recaps, you're getting the amazing stuff right, because that's what people want to see, right, You're getting the highlights, and that's why, you know, again we have the insiders where we go in and do deeper dives like this.

59:42 Speaker 3: But then also why we're you know, we come on shows like this and try and give people more of that behind the scenes and more of the totality of the circumstances. Absolutely, you know, I've been thinking about this because this is to me, this is one of the best pieces of data and evidence that people can really familiarize themselves with that show. This is one hundred percent real. I have a picture from my eye that I got hit by some kind of energy, some kind of electromagnetic energy. In twenty nineteen, I was out with the group from the i L the Idaho National Laboratory.

1:00:23 Speaker 3: This group does specific chemical biological radiation testing for the military and trains the military on how to use their gear, how to use mop stuff. Right, I was out with this group. I was no more than two to three feet away from these guys. They had all the gizmos and gadgets of detecting this type of stuff, and I got hit. And I'll send you the picture ties that you can throw it in. And it felt like a day later, it felt like my eyes was getting ripped out of my head. I've never been in this much pain before in my life, right, So this all happens now.

1:00:58 Speaker 3: Fast forward to I believe it's season five. We are out at the drill site, broad daylight and a calf gets hit by some kind of energy and it goes blind and it sits there and spins in circles in front of us for a minute. We have those recordings. You guys see that in the television show. That was one hundred percent caught live in.

1:01:22 Speaker 4: The moment that was.

1:01:25 Speaker 2: That was a wild one.

1:01:26 Speaker 1: That because when I feel like when animals are involved, like it hits deeper, yeah, right, like emotionally taps something in us.

1:01:34 Speaker 2: And it was it was really hard.

1:01:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I sit here and go, you guys literally potentially saw one some type of animal mutilation live first time, right, or some kind of direct energy weapon that we don't know about. And if that's the case, who is doing it and why are they doing it especially out in the middle of freaking know where you do?

1:01:57 Speaker 2: You and ta basin, right, and.

1:01:59 Speaker 3: If you have the kind of capability again, why would you show that in that format? Yeah, it doesn't you if you have that kind of capability, as military say, you're going to hide that capability for as long as possible and do what you want.

1:02:18 Speaker 1: Are you are you going to or are you going to go to the middle of nowhere?

1:02:24 Speaker 3: And just right?

1:02:27 Speaker 1: And That's what I've always wondered, like these guys, these guys like John Alexander, right, and I'm sure you know who I'm talking about, actually know for a fact you do. He's known as the father of non lethal weaponry.

1:02:41 Speaker 3: Right, And why I honestly haven't.

1:02:44 Speaker 1: He's got a huge history with the ranch. Now, am I saying that I think this is some sort of testing ground or or or whatever.

1:02:55 Speaker 2: No.

1:02:55 Speaker 1: I think something is on that land that makes it worth going to do these types of things. I think something's bringing people there, right. Whether that's some sort of outside force or if it's some sort of UFO that's buried on the LD, I don't know, and I don't think anyone does know. Clearly there is something weird going on at that ranch.

1:03:20 Speaker 2: And is it human?

1:03:22 Speaker 1: Is it is it alien? Is it all of the above? I think those are all fair questions.

1:03:29 Speaker 3: I really did and.

1:03:32 Speaker 1: Sounds like a lot of people have been affected by by like these weird like invisible weapons, and and you know, forgive me for asking this, but have you ever entertained the idea, I mean, black helicopters always flying up where they shouldn't be. Could this be some sort of operation against you?

1:03:52 Speaker 3: It very well could be.

1:03:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't hear you.

1:03:56 Speaker 3: No, h.

1:04:04 Speaker 2: H look at this? Are you you got the hitchhiker effect going right now?

1:04:10 Speaker 1: Maybe hold on, maybe try just try refreshing the browser and coming back in. Okay, that's weird, that's weird.

1:04:22 Speaker 2: Right as I ask, I, didn't.

1:04:33 Speaker 3: You hear me? Now?

1:04:37 Speaker 2: Speak again?

1:04:38 Speaker 3: Can you hear me? Now?

1:04:41 Speaker 6: There you go?

1:04:41 Speaker 2: Yeah?

1:04:41 Speaker 1: Yeah that So do you think that that could be I mean again, some sort of hitchhiker effect?

1:04:48 Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a minute, trust me, guys.

1:04:50 Speaker 3: Well I always joked because uh, well I'm on phone calls and I can hear it, like click something in the background, and I'm like, oh, one was listening to us now? And generally if it's like near my marine buddies, we all we start giving whoever's on the other side more shit, Like really, you're going to listen to us of all people. But no, you're hitting it very much on the head of conversations that we're having all the time and asking those questions, is it you know, is this a near peer? Is this non human intelligence?

1:05:24 Speaker 3: What is it? And why? Right? And that's really what's driving the investigation, is what really is it? And that's where

1:05:36 Speaker 3: you're kind of and me making me think about this thought that I keep having the last two years that really just keeps coming up in my head because for eight years I've been sitting out on this property and involved with these investigation, having having these experiences on and off the ranch, and I constantly hear how science is supposed to work, or or these principles are supposed to work in the science theory and all this stuff, and how all this equipment is supposed to work and yet it never does, or or we have major issues where it doesn't do what it's supposed to do, and it's in the data it reflects and all these things.

1:06:19 Speaker 3: Right, And so I'm sit here going our entire beliefs, this entire I call science its own religion, and it's just as fallible as all these other ones. In my mind at this point, based on what I'm seeing out on that ranch.

1:06:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I ask you, isn't it weird? How right?

1:06:38 Speaker 1: When I ask if this could be some sort of operation against you?

1:06:43 Speaker 2: Right, like very well, do you guys think about that?

1:06:47 Speaker 4: And all the time?

1:06:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think you're probably familiar with the night that we shoot the rockets off. We have the high speed cameras. We call it the blob which I hate that we called the blob, I think names for it

1:07:05 Speaker 3: and that block, and we have a black Hawk come in within minutes. And if you go back and look at that night we shot and we we we do this, and we talked about this. We shot three rockets off that night and if I mean, if you go back in, look, that night was very much off the seat of our pants. We had a whole different plan that we were trying to execute for that day, but it fell through, because yes, we do make plans. It's you know, we we try to have a schedule. We try to get the most bang for our buck, if you will.

1:07:42 Speaker 3: We don't have a script, nothing scripted. But the plan fell through. The gentleman with the Hegsby cameras got there early and we were like, okay, you know, let's go shoot rockets out in the middle of the triangle and use the heistby cameras and see what happens. Yeah, it was literally that conversation. Three mints out, we shoot our first rockets, our second rocket, we shoot, and we see a UAP over the ranch.

1:08:10 Speaker 3: And when you look at the timing and again we've done this, that UAP comes over. We're talking about it on the radios where we're, oh, that was cool. You know, let's shoot the third one off. So the third one shoots, we catch whatever that is in the heighspeed camera and Eric actually got a second view from a whole different camera from another location on the ranch, so we know it's there. It's not just a single camera event. It's multiple camera events, which is very important.

1:08:41 Speaker 1: Very very important, especially in an investigation like this. Yes, when you have a multi angle now you can rule out tons of prosaic explanations.

1:08:51 Speaker 3: And it very much confirms that there was something there. And that same camera angle shows that black hawk that comes in. Because there's a lot of really crazy stuff that happens. So one, when you again when you look at the background and look at this in the timeframe, that we really see we first see that UAP and are talking about it over radio, you know, reporting this and just talking about it amongst ourselves in that amount of time, if you launched the black Hawk helicopter from one of the bases on the Watatch Front, that helicopters entering our airspace the moment or you know, just at the exact moment that we shoot that third rock get off.

1:09:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's got that seems a bit.

1:09:43 Speaker 3: So either we were being listened to or assets off the ranch caught whatever that object was during our second rocket launch and they were like, what the hell is that? Get eyes on see if we can get eyes on on it, and they send that Blackhawk out.

1:10:05 Speaker 2: So that's another.

1:10:08 Speaker 1: That's another cause that's kind of like a merger between the two could now the government Okay, so if we if I play the timeline right, Bigelow is doing work contracting at least to some degree with the United States government, right, Yeah, we.

1:10:27 Speaker 4: Know we know that contract.

1:10:29 Speaker 3: It was like twenty two million dollars from I can't remember that senator's.

1:10:32 Speaker 2: Name, Harry Reid.

1:10:35 Speaker 1: Both of them are based out of Las Vegas, so is coincidentally George Knapp, who breaks all the stories not two coincidental actually, if you actually think about it, very pointed and obvious. But anyway, I digress. The government now knows something weird's happening, right.

1:10:56 Speaker 3: M and then we know about Mount Wilson, we know about some of these other locations, right, so you know, and.

1:11:02 Speaker 2: So they don't want to do that.

1:11:05 Speaker 1: They don't want to spend the money anymore, right, but they but they certainly want to see the results still, so they sell it off to Brandon, or Bigel sells it off to Brandon. I'm just playing a hypothetical here, right, And Brandon unexpectedly launches this amazing investigation which is going to prompt a lot of stuff going on at the ranch. Again, if I was a smart government, I would say, Okay, they're doing the work for us.

1:11:33 Speaker 2: We just need to be there for the results, right.

1:11:36 Speaker 3: You know. And that's part of you know, part of our stance has been you're not going to get disclosure from the government. You're going to get it from private source. Right. And then, and I'm always asked this, you know, like, what do you think about the government. I'm like, one,

1:11:53 Speaker 3: I'm the kind of person going, why do you need permission from the government? To believe or think or do anything. Okay, I don't. I'm not one that thinks the government is here to tell me how.

1:12:04 Speaker 2: And what I'm you know, that's not there.

1:12:07 Speaker 3: No, that's I know that's an old fashioned American thought process, but we need it more.

1:12:15 Speaker 4: Like I agree.

1:12:17 Speaker 3: So I've when I get asked this kind of topic, this question, I go, why do you need permission from the government to believe in this stuff? If you, especially if you've seen things, if you, if you've gathered information.

1:12:28 Speaker 2: On it, do you a validation thing? Honestly?

1:12:32 Speaker 3: Right? Oh, yeah, that's all it is. It's just the validation thing.

1:12:36 Speaker 1: But yeah, and they've they've and they've certainly if if validation is all we needed, and we don't need the president at the podium saying you know, we're not alone, I think validation has already happened. The validation came, you know, very early on in the in the you know, from the time Brandon brought the ranch to when you started working their Twenty seventeen is a very year that something kicks off into this new wave of interest, Right was that New York Times article?

1:13:08 Speaker 2: Well?

1:13:08 Speaker 3: And then also yeah, and that was the thing, is I from my understanding, there's really no connection between us like individually in that article, right, Like, but a lot of our stuff is obviously connected to this.

1:13:22 Speaker 2: I was gonna and we do talk about this like, we.

1:13:25 Speaker 3: Are very much helping lead a lot of these discussions. Right We had if you go back and you're probably familiar with this, we had Ryan Graves on the show that was like a month after he was out at the hearings. Obviously it plays a year later, but when you look at the actual timeline.

1:13:46 Speaker 1: He's there on the day, he's when he's doing the hearing and filming is only a few months.

1:13:53 Speaker 3: If I'm and and and you know, I feel I would be remiss if I don't bring up this. I think this is one of our better pieces of information. Talked about too is Jay Stratton. When people Jay Stratton is and his involvement, his background, his credentials. He is such a lynchpin in all this and people really need to pay attention to who he is. And and I'm not just saying that because I am a good friend of his, but over the last couple of years I've been able to obviously interact with him and his family and got to know and know them on that personal level.

1:14:27 Speaker 3: And he's the one who uh created or coined the term hitchhiker effect. He's the one who you know, start had some of these experiments.

1:14:44 Speaker 1: He's the through line between all these government programs, right.

1:14:49 Speaker 3: He was the one that obviously, he was the one leading the UAP Task Force in very early on. He's the one that approached Travis. Obviously Travis's involvement with his work in the army and all that, and and what his background is. Jay approaches him because Travis saw stuff on their NCH in season one and went what the hell, and knowing some of the information that he was privy to, he reported up the chain because he's like, I have to report this. Jay sees that, goes, okay, Travis has these you know, sees his background, goes and basically interviews Travis and then goes, hey, I want you to come and work on the UAP Task Force, but you can't hell anybody.

1:15:31 Speaker 2: Right yeah, yeah, yeah, And.

1:15:35 Speaker 3: That's where I go. I have top secret clearance in the Marines. I know the game. I understand why. I mean, you know, it doesn't bother me.

1:15:43 Speaker 1: But like again, if we go back to this idea that the say the government, there is a faction of the government that's tapping into you guys, did you ever wonder that? And I again, I don't really even want to say this the utter of these words, because again, did you ever did you ever think and be like Travis, like maybe that the government figure like found out that the investigation was going on through travis Is involvement.

1:16:13 Speaker 3: No, obviously that was one of the things that they tried to you know, the that was obviously parts of the discussion there. There was some members on the team that were upset for about five seconds.

1:16:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, because but then again, if you do know anything about that kind of clearance and stuff, you have to say, Okay, listen, I do understand, right, we always want to believe that it's like we're the dude, I thought I was different, Like I thought you would have told us something like that.

1:16:43 Speaker 3: No, No, I didn't look at it that way because I guess I looked at it at that time of they brought him in because of what happened out here, or Jay brought him in and did the leg work and found out that Travis is very much interested in what's going on, just like most of us are now at this point, right, wants to find the answers is this near human or are a near peer? Or is this whatever? This is? Right? So I was like, no, he's there because of what is happening out here, Like it's very much showing how much Skinwalker Ranch is.

1:17:20 Speaker 1: What's that sorry, it's showing how much they are paying attention.

1:17:24 Speaker 3: Yes, and also just go on that deeper level again, just shows how much this Ranch is helping lead and shape the entire conversation.

1:17:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, because again you think about that, right, that twenty seventeen article. They they name a tip, but a tip you could argue isn't actually the program. It's as app the twenty million dollars actually was rewarded to and as App has clear cut, clear connections to Skinwalker Ranch. So skin Walker Ranch has been at the heart of this kind of movement since that, since that article, and and and it's come a long way in the investigatory phase that.

1:18:14 Speaker 3: And on that on that topic, I I know a lot of the history of those programs obviously and whatnot. And That's where I'm going. Just Jay Stratton, right, he's you know, he was so involved with all this stuff. He was the actual leader on a lot of these programs and doing the investigation and going in and like, there's individuals that I know of that have their name out there everybody wants to talk about, but iact, but I and I know those the backstories to them. But and that's where I'm going. It's when people understand Jay and when he starts talking about this stuff, it lines up.

1:18:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what do you think?

1:18:57 Speaker 1: What what do you think that the government? I mean, this was obviously speculatory in its generality, But do you think or do with everything that's you've seen, you've encountered, with everything that you've looked, you know, however hard you've looked into it, Like, do you believe that the government does know of the existence of some sort of non human intelligence?

1:19:27 Speaker 3: I would say yeah, yeah, yeah. And again like for for me personally, I had some experiences very you know, a couple of years before I didn't go into them that were much more in my mind spiritual and faith based, you know, and and led me down this road of why I'm a practicing Christian.

1:19:53 Speaker 1: That's right, because you actually let so you were a Mormon if I'm not mistaken, correct.

1:19:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, member of the Church of Jesus Christ the Latter day sayings.

1:20:02 Speaker 4: Sorry, I try not to.

1:20:04 Speaker 3: No, I'm not a Mormon. I know plenty of them, but there's a distinct difference.

1:20:10 Speaker 1: Right right, So, but you are a practicing member of the Church of Latter day Saints and you you stepped away from that thinking and you are now practicing Christian. Does that play a role in like how you look at this?

1:20:27 Speaker 2: Oh?

1:20:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, because again, like I grew up in in the LDS faith, but my brothers and I were kind of the black sheep, if you will, Like we weren't the family that goes every Sunday. I very much believe in the books. I believe in in that it's another testament of Christ. The Book of Mormon, you know, it tells a history and and just like the Bible, it tells us a history and gives us the laws, you know, these higher level laws that if we follow them, you know you're gonna be fine. And and then obviously when my dad died, I was not in any shape or form kind of practicing any kind of religion.

1:21:07 Speaker 3: And I was very much more part of the world, if you will, or going down some of these different thought processes, it's probably more accurate and It shocked me out of that and made me kind of restart rethinking the direction I was going and going, Okay, what's really you know, the truth? What's really you know out there?

1:21:27 Speaker 1: Yeah?

1:21:28 Speaker 3: And that led right, and that led me to the Tony robin stuff, that led me to Bob Proctor, that led me to Jim Rohn. You know, so I'm I'm a big Tony Robbins person. So I kind of look at it like, you know that those years leading up to before my involvement on the ranch kind of this. You know, how's our minds work? How how do our minds affect reality? How? How does our you know, how do we affect things?

1:22:00 Speaker 1: You? Yeah, I would argue, so the Institute of Noetic Sciences, And obviously people would be familiar with this because the guy who founded it is I think the sixth man.

1:22:12 Speaker 2: To walk on the moon if I'm not right, right, Edgar Edgar?

1:22:15 Speaker 1: Right?

1:22:16 Speaker 2: Uh?

1:22:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, Edgar that the astronaut that was into this stuff. He did the Institute of Noedic Sciences. Why might why.

1:22:27 Speaker 3: That would be something I'd have to look into it.

1:22:30 Speaker 1: It's I mean, it is important that I'm forgetting his name right now, but it's he was.

1:22:35 Speaker 2: He was doctor Greer's guy.

1:22:37 Speaker 1: Edgar God damn it Mitchell, Edgar Mitchell, Edgar Mitchell.

1:22:41 Speaker 2: Sorry, so check this out.

1:22:43 Speaker 1: Institute of Nedic Sciences is founded by this This by Edgar Mitchell. Edgar Mitchell is one of these guys that went to the moon, had this like life changing experience when he was on his way back to Earth he saw Earth and that had that like observer.

1:22:59 Speaker 2: Effect or whatever that astronauts get.

1:23:02 Speaker 1: And he came back down to Earth and like that, he was like kind of like a change person.

1:23:08 Speaker 2: And he goes on.

1:23:10 Speaker 1: He found a bunch of stuff he or does a bunch of stuff, but he found found this Noetic science institute. They do this study where they speak to water before they freeze it, and there's anything that has positive connotation, words like love, words like you know that had like that the good positive connotation. The crystals would freeze beautifully.

1:23:34 Speaker 2: And yeah, you're.

1:23:36 Speaker 3: Referencing the study from or the guy who really started going down that was that Japanese doctor.

1:23:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.

1:23:45 Speaker 1: So I guess what the what I take out of it, The moral of the of the the investigative investigation was that our words are intent. They affect the mass utter and they really do matter, right, Our words and intent matters.

1:24:05 Speaker 2: It literally changes the matter around us.

1:24:08 Speaker 1: So if we go into a place and we have bad intent, I think that's when people have negative experiences. Say, you know, I mean, I don't know how this would come into play on Skidwalker Ranch, but I mean if you're just having a bad day and you come in with bad intent, you know, is that the day that you're more likely to be.

1:24:29 Speaker 4: Injured?

1:24:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is where I would say that we start having that conversation of we're moving away from you know, the official stance of course.

1:24:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just make that very clear.

1:24:47 Speaker 3: But yeah, this is something that I think for me, this is one of the kind of topics that I go into a lot more. And I can tell you well, Travis he he wrote the one book, The Science Behind the Secret, So if you're familiar with the one book The Secret, it's the one that very much talks about this idea of like whatever you think about you can create, right, And I'm very much a proponent of that, and that to me, I'm going I've had those experiences where because again go back before the Ranch, I'm introduced to this type of stuff.

1:25:25 Speaker 3: I start doing the tools, if you will, and I would say I had things that happened that I was like, Okay, maybe it's working. You know. There were things that happened with in my personal life, with how my wife and I wanted things happen, if you will, levels of income, things like that, you know, how we wanted to do things. Yeah, but this the first real big, my big success, if you will, is my first day on the ranch is twenty seven Halloween.

1:26:01 Speaker 2: Halloween.

1:26:01 Speaker 4: Bro, why.

1:26:04 Speaker 3: Nothing happens. It was just normal night. I hear all the stories. At that time, I'm still working at this other job that was kind of I hated it. It was I was helping run the bus system out here.

1:26:16 Speaker 2: Yeah that is tedious.

1:26:17 Speaker 3: Oh, it was miserable. There were great people there, There were some good people there.

1:26:22 Speaker 1: But it's yeah, it's every day the same thing.

1:26:25 Speaker 3: Anyway. So I get to this point where I'm like, all right, New Year's rolls around twenty eighteen January. First, I'm sitting in this office and I go, you know, I used to do all this cool stuff. I was on marine. I was on a Marine Corps tanker. You know, I was playing rugby. I was doing all this cool stuff in college and now this is my life, right and kidding me? Right, So I and I go, okay, either this stuff works or it doesn't. Right, I just kind of hit this wall, this this bottom part where I'm going either this stuff works or it doesn't.

1:27:01 Speaker 3: And I really thought about it, and I was like, all right, I've used these kind of There are certain tools, you know, there's the affirmation stuff, there's you know, certain things. But the one big tool that I learned from the individual at that time was you write your own story.

1:27:18 Speaker 2: There you go.

1:27:19 Speaker 3: And it's it's very much aligned with goals and right, but what it is is how you start it. And anybody could do this as you basically write my name is cayleab Bench and my story goes like this. And how I learned it was that first paragraph you put something in. They're so crazy, so out there all you could do is laugh if it happens, right, and you don't want to put so much detail into it that the universe can't go to work for you, right, And then every subsequent paragraph you can write whatever you want.

1:27:52 Speaker 3: And some of the rules are as long as it's more ill, legal and ethical right rits.

1:27:57 Speaker 1: If you want to say, be like success, like say it was me right, I write, my name is Tyler Roberts. You know, I want to be a successful podcaster, journalist.

1:28:09 Speaker 2: That these are the steps I'll take. You know. It's it's that kind of thing.

1:28:12 Speaker 3: Right, is this much more? Much more story?

1:28:17 Speaker 2: Oh? Okay?

1:28:18 Speaker 3: So so for example, and like why I'm bringing this up clip that this is very much the stuff I think about when I'm out on the property. But I write in my first paragraph and I guess this is where I used to say. I never really thought about being on television, and I never thought about being in like movies and stuff. Obviously growing up, who doesn't want to like when you're growing up watching Star Wars.

1:28:42 Speaker 4: Oh man, I'll be in Star Wars, of course.

1:28:44 Speaker 3: But at that point, you know, I'm out here in the basin. There's none of that type of stuff.

1:28:50 Speaker 1: There's no movies, star There's no no way, no.

1:28:55 Speaker 3: And again, my first day on the answer is twenty was like two months before this, and I'm sitting in that office and I write this story. You know, my name Scale Bench. My story goes like this, I act in the Star Wars movie. I have good relations with the director I have good relations with the cast. It's a good positive experience. It's fun, you know, because I remember seeing and where I got that idea was there was a little ad on the computer, you know those little sidebar ads where it was like when this sweepstakes and you can be an extra in the next Star Wars movie or something.

1:29:33 Speaker 1: Oh because yeah, yeah, the trilogy sequels.

1:29:37 Speaker 3: I want to say it was a rogue one and just come out or something like that was the big.

1:29:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was That was my favorite out of the new.

1:29:47 Speaker 3: Discussion.

1:29:48 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:29:50 Speaker 3: Anyways, I'm sitting there and that's my that's my first I was like, no way, but but it's not the thing. But the trick is too, is you don't do the negative. Oh, this isn't gonna happen. No, it's only this is what you want to have happen, right, So you read it, you believe it you and a part of that is you read it three times a day. And the secret sauce too make it more powerful is you listen to epic music with it nothing with words in it, because you don't want people's you don't need other people's words in your head when you're doing this, So.

1:30:23 Speaker 1: Listen to like orchestra instrumental et bit, yep, that kind of stuff.

1:30:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're building the energy. And how Tony Robbins says it is like put the illusion in your mind because or the hallucination in your mind. Right, and so, and then I put some other paragraphs in there of how I wanted some other things to happen. Anyways, twenty eighteen happens, and like I said that, that's where I had some of my first experiences. You know. Three months after that is when Robbie Williams comes out, they do rob Jeremy Corbell does that document video out there all that no one is talking about the television show.

1:31:09 Speaker 3: No, yeah, it at least in my understanding, it wasn't a conversation that was happening. But Thomas he was being he started getting approached by TJ Alred about this time frame.

1:31:28 Speaker 1: Uh.

1:31:28 Speaker 3: And TJ. Want is one one of the guys who kind of initially pitched this the idea for the television show with Joel Patterson right around it, and it was it's kind of before or around this time frame anyways. But I had no idea that was even the discussion or an idea, right, But I write that story and then night it was like late September October timeframe when we are out shooting the pilot for the television show and I'm sitting out there going.

1:32:01 Speaker 4: Wait a minute, how this happen?

1:32:05 Speaker 3: It's not Star Wars, but holy shit, Like it's you know, talk about aliens, it's weird energy, it's you know, it's weird.

1:32:15 Speaker 1: It's funny, right, It's like it's not exactly, but it's like it's there.

1:32:20 Speaker 2: It's the.

1:32:21 Speaker 1: Most cutting edge science, scientific endeavor that you know, cutting edge in the sense of like you're dealing with very very complex phenomena all stuff that's like you know that you're right, like all all young men and some women and young people are all influenced by things like Star Wars.

1:32:45 Speaker 2: So like the fact that you wrote that.

1:32:47 Speaker 1: But it's like the universe went to work for you in the sense that it was like, oh, no, I know what he really wants.

1:32:54 Speaker 3: Like it was really just again, it was the thing that was so out there, so crazy.

1:33:01 Speaker 1: But next thing, you know, Prometheus is filming the pilot for for for the Secret of Skinwalker Ranche.

1:33:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then that happens.

1:33:08 Speaker 1: I'm going, no way, this is that that I did not know that. I didn't know that that part. So that has to be kind of like life changing in a way.

1:33:20 Speaker 3: Oh very much. That's where that's really made me go, Okay, I believe this stuff works. And that's very much a part of this. I will say, this is very much a part of the discussion of like the observer effect, Like we know our minds effect the world around us. And I and I highlight that story because I learned these tools, I did them, and it happened, and it happened and it's continued to happen. If you don't think that I can't that I keep doing this stuff. And and to me, I'm going, you know, the ranch, for whatever reason, you know, responds to stuff.

1:33:56 Speaker 3: And I'll say one of the first warnings that we got in regards to the rand was to pay attention to people's emotions, especially anger.

1:34:04 Speaker 1: So if they were like angry coming on to the ranch, that or anger.

1:34:10 Speaker 3: Being or being on the ranch over a long period of time, and pay attention to those types of emotions. But then and and you know, so you know, I'll we always get asked about remote viewing and these other forms of I don't know, mind stuff remote viewing is real, like this right, it's real. We I've I've seen firsthand, We've done some experiments on the ranch ourselves. Like it's real. And part of that discussion too, is because of the focus and the attention of millions of people coming to the ranch.

1:34:53 Speaker 3: Now, how is that not going to affect certain things?

1:34:57 Speaker 2: Right? Well, oh, I see where are you're going at this?

1:34:59 Speaker 3: Right? And okay, and and there are connections there. But it is very much like I just told you that story outside of me saving the document that I have changed now over the course of you know, eight years now because you update your you can update your story. Yeah, that's a part of it. Wait about a year, you know, let it do its thing before you go in and do things. But it's it's that type of what's the word I'm looking for. It's a type of evidence that obviously I can't give you that hard you know, like like the dire wolf thing, Like, yeah, we have the remains of a creature that's supposed to be dead for ten thousand years.

1:35:49 Speaker 3: It's been identified structurally a one for one match by a biologist Ben Woodruff, who his job, one of his jobs is to put these KALs is together for a museum. He knows what he's looking at.

1:36:04 Speaker 1: That was actually probably one of the most like outside of like the UFO sidings and the stuff you've guys been captured on camera. I think that was probably one of the most insane discoveries that's happy in the shows. Actually even on the ranch. The ranch's history is this, uh, this large canine skeletal remain, and obviously that was.

1:36:27 Speaker 3: One of the first big stories that everybody thinks of. Is in the Georgia natbook is and that's how they open it up is apparently the rancher runs into one of these shoots it and it runs off into the woods and disappears, which you know, side note, we brought the nephew that was there, one of the nephews that was there. He said, yeah, we shot it, we killed that. We buried it over there.

1:36:47 Speaker 2: So it didn't run off.

1:36:48 Speaker 4: No, no.

1:36:52 Speaker 3: Count. We couldn't go to the point where he or to the area that he said they buried it because it was not on their property. Uh, but he was. He's you know, it's just interesting when you talk to that individual who at that time is eleven ten years old and he goes, yeah, I remember that we shot it, killed it. It was we buried it over there. That but that goes down a whole nother line of ideas and questions. But yes, I could tell you for years whenever like the dire wolf subject comes up, it was the scoff and irol from all of.

1:37:27 Speaker 1: Us, and I mean, look at where we are now, dude, They just they just they just reintroduced a dire wolf like that. And again you just you go, like look at Skinwalker Ranche and then the parallels to like the cutting edge. It just it's like to keep connecting somehow, like directing energy weapons. Now directed energy weapons have been confirmed by the government. Dire wolf gets found, then they literally resurrect a fucking species there. It's the Skinwalker Ranges seems to be at the hub, and you guys now have gone beyond skin Rocker Ranch and arguably, I mean, I'm not going to say that it's better than the main ChIL.

1:38:11 Speaker 2: I don't think that. I think they compliment each other so well. You guys have just.

1:38:17 Speaker 1: So honing in on some things here. This one point six Gigahart signal seems to be something that's being found at all of these various hot spots.

1:38:29 Speaker 3: You know, one of the things that I've I read or had seen in the last year or two was back in the sixties, that was one of the signals that, for whatever reason, they kept seeing at that timeframe, and it led to noticing that there were these interactions with whatever, you know what everyone called orbs UFOs, UAPs whatever allegedly, and that's why they put the whole GPS system there is to mask it is one of those one of the things that I read or saw, and this was coming from an individual that supposedly worked in that world at that time.

1:39:10 Speaker 3: Right, So, and and this is, you know, this is the interesting thing. And if you my understanding you just watched season six, is the drill site that at this specific place that we're drilling right now, there are missing photographical records from nineteen sixty four to nineteen sixty nine. What do you mean so in the public record there there are no photographs between nineteen sixty four and nineteen sixty nine, specifically of the ranch and showing the specific area where the drill site is. Oh, so this might be a part that you haven't I know, you said you were coming up on.

1:39:59 Speaker 3: I can't remember where they show this in season six, but Travis did a kind of a deep dive and an analysis of the drill site from aerial photography, and the AI said that the one from nineteen sixty four is fine, but the one from nineteen sixty nine is heavily doctored according to AI. And so now, and you know, you just saw us pull out the ceramic like material in season six. And obviously I won't go into what is going to be shown in seasons Heaven, but like we very much follow up on a bunch.

1:40:36 Speaker 2: And say, is it safe to say you're following up on a lot of this? Oh? Yeah, because that's what I've seen the show do. Is right.

1:40:43 Speaker 1: It started off with broad strokes, but you guys slowly honed in and now you're I would say, the focus is that the Mesa spots, that that spot on the Mason, the bridge line.

1:40:54 Speaker 2: The triangle, and the.

1:41:00 Speaker 1: I mean, I want to say the homesteads just obviously, but I think less so the homesteads lately. Yeah.

1:41:09 Speaker 3: Well, and so that's where like I I won't I won't go into where we focus on certain parts, but I love the point that you're bringing up, because yes, you go and watch this, you literally see the evolution of the investigation with better equipment, better third party experts that like you said, we're and we're following the data is what it comes down to. That's that's why again, like I brought up the remote viewing thing, like, yes, we did film an entire thing on the remote viewing thing very early on, but there was no way of really getting it and showing it according to the film side, that it would make sense to people, right, right, But so it never came out.

1:41:53 Speaker 3: But we always get asked that have you remote view stuff? Yes, we have, and we've gotten mixed results. And that's a part of the issue is we have we've been able to confirm some of that stuff based on the more recent years, which is very interesting because we're going, okay, did they remote view the future or did you know or did we affect that somehow?

1:42:16 Speaker 5: Right?

1:42:16 Speaker 2: That is a dicey line, that's a's.

1:42:19 Speaker 3: And that's the issue is like where we don't want to again.

1:42:24 Speaker 1: You can't stop people from doing it though, And that's the one.

1:42:27 Speaker 2: That's another thing too, right.

1:42:29 Speaker 3: Like we can't and and that's the thing too, is though it is like we're trying to maintain the integrity of the the investigation and and in regards to the data. Again, oh yes, that's outside.

1:42:43 Speaker 2: Of Green Street. All these clowns.

1:42:49 Speaker 1: Not Mick is not a clown. In my opinion, Green Street is a clown. I'll say it. You don't have to trust me. Where's Mick I do it feel as a on you? And like, but I think he's a biased investigator. I think he's starting from it's not happening and working his way towards that conclusion, whether he knows it or not. But these guys are always like challenging Brandon and say, to release the data.

1:43:21 Speaker 2: What does that mean? Like what data? People don't understand what that means?

1:43:28 Speaker 3: Okay, so I think it covers a lot of things, right, So, and this is I kind of hit on this kind of this this topic a little bit. Is people pick and choose. And that's what I see a Green Street and Mickwest is they go after like this low hanging fruit to attack and then they immediately go, oh, yeah, well I know I'm I'm right, which I can tell you. I know that Mick West is being paid by certain individuals about things and I can't wait for that stuff to come out. And that's all I'm going to say in regards.

1:44:02 Speaker 2: He won't tell me, like I've asked him straight up.

1:44:04 Speaker 1: Is he being because we like, are you being paid by some sort of Well?

1:44:09 Speaker 3: And then that's well, And that's the thing is his whole shtick is disproving everything. I can tell you that Travis reached out to him years ago before he ever came to the ranch and said, hey, let's work on something together and present it together, whether it's and just follow the data and follow the what we find and release it. And he would not do it.

1:44:31 Speaker 1: He says he won't even go near Skinwalker Ranch. He said he would never go on to it. And like, Okay, I get being skeptical, but then why are you actually like afraid to go onto the ranch?

1:44:45 Speaker 3: Well, and then that's the thing is, like I just saw the comment about green Street. I was out there with him that night, and there's parts of it I won't go into just because I don't think it. Anyways,

1:45:00 Speaker 3: he comes out and has his attitude, right, and Brandon was trying to one percent.

1:45:06 Speaker 2: Be open, which I thought was pretty noble.

1:45:10 Speaker 3: Right, and most of us were like no, why we we were all most of us going now. We all thought it was a bad idea, and he was the one who was like kind of mocking a bunch of stuff, and we just sat down and like, look, this is what we've had happen, and we showed him what we had at that time, and yeah, I've I'm not surprised at how he presented stuff.

1:45:39 Speaker 1: The thing is too is the first because he he wants to label everything a grift. And then and then he he takes one night at Skinwalker Ranch and turns it into a fucking.

1:45:52 Speaker 2: Five hour and five part series.

1:45:56 Speaker 1: The first four parts, honestly, I was like, okay, hey, this is actually pretty good.

1:46:02 Speaker 2: And then in part five he just flips the script and.

1:46:07 Speaker 1: Just just stabs every single one of you guys in the back, one by one by one by one by one, and I was like, oh wow.

1:46:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was one of those things the speculation of others is a reflection of yourself.

1:46:22 Speaker 2: It was.

1:46:22 Speaker 1: It was very upsetting to see because I go, you know, I'd almost changed my mind on Stephen it and I was like, damn, he did actually go in open and he's like experiencing some stuff. And then that last part came out and it was literally, it was one of the more it was one of the more like most of the most obnoxious things I've ever seen in terms of like how how to present a story, how to present a narrative. And I think that really hurt other journalists and other people who want to do similar style content working collaboratively with the Skinwalker team.

1:47:06 Speaker 1: And maybe you guys are now a little sour to that idea.

1:47:10 Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't say no, there's been right, yeah, but yeah, you're It's one of those things. At the end of the day, I'm not here to say you absolutely have to believe what I have to believe in this. You know, I've been out here now for eight years. I've interacted with things that on the ranch and off the ranch at my home. I've had things happen, I've I've you know, other law enforcement, just other normal everyday people. And so it's just one of those things where I'm like, again, like one, I don't need your permission to believe in something.

1:47:47 Speaker 2: You know, you don't need the government's oversight.

1:47:51 Speaker 3: And again, that's why we're trying to present the information the way we are. And yes, I'm willing to talk about more of these experiences is that are more crazy if you will, uh you know, for instance, like what happened with Jake Huffman is like that none of that was recorded with our what happened with our phones. But I would say, go look at I believe it's season four when Travis sny are sitting out in the eastfield and we start recording this strange signal coming across and it sounds very similar to what I've heard on through my phone.

1:48:24 Speaker 3: That weird mechanical, like we all. We also kind of compared it to signs when they're holding up the little baby monitor and it's the clicking between the aliens.

1:48:38 Speaker 3: I would say, what I heard on the other line of the phone was much more electronic and just nuts like weird.

1:48:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there.

1:48:48 Speaker 1: My producer sent me something about this this uh one point six gigaherts number, and so he there there's I can't go into all of it because it would take so much time. But you guys have also I just want to hear you say this, and I'm not front loading you at all. Right, the the above the triangle mm hm, and you guys have found that there's this invisible what would you call.

1:49:21 Speaker 3: It, structure of some kind some kind of mathematical structure, some kind of field, some kind of force for sure, Right, so.

1:49:37 Speaker 1: What do you so we have some reverse engineering. There's this reverse and Russian or Soviet a reverse reverse engineering documents that a lot of people believe to be like actual genuine like like mathematically sound. And he lugged a lot of this this this one point six gig arts uh, and he said that that would be the I mean, there's it's a byproduct of whatever is driving its charge column at that resonance, which is operationally optimal.

1:50:16 Speaker 2: I can't go into it.

1:50:17 Speaker 1: All, but it's it's very much in line with what you guys are seeing.

1:50:21 Speaker 3: I would say, this is very much a stay tuned.

1:50:27 Speaker 2: There's something there, there's something I think that.

1:50:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're you're in reference to what is being called like the bubble or the apple Core was introduced because of this, you know what we're seeing specifically in the triangle spot and yeah, we're we are getting more data. So you know, a question about you know, for an example, the data is these light our scans and these slam scans from Pete Kelsey's equipment, and you see, I believe at season six where Pete brought out three separate pieces of equipment. One was like the brand new model from this this company, and his I would say, maybe a colleague, but one of the top people from that company came out with him and she and he and I ran those pieces of equipment in the triangle and on other locations, and all three of those pieces of equipment showed the same thing.

1:51:30 Speaker 3: So either it's there or all three of those equipments were hacked and where strange stuff happened at the exact same time in all three but still stuff happened or and phenomena happened with with that equipment. The TLS, the terrestrial laser scanners that made this person from the company that Pete deals with weekly go, I don't. I can't explain this. And that's just one example from the you know, the the GPS data that we've collected, all the camera recordings, We've literally terabytes, uh massive drives filled with video recordings.

1:52:16 Speaker 1: I want to I want to wrap up because we're punching up on time here, but I wanted to bring in Gene real quick because there's something that I want to read or have you hear.

1:52:31 Speaker 2: Real quick.

1:52:32 Speaker 1: We'll get add m I'll add him in and maybe I'm gonna mute your your thing so that we don't hear that.

1:52:38 Speaker 6: Let go, you hear me.

1:52:41 Speaker 2: He should be able to we should all be able to hear you.

1:52:43 Speaker 6: At this point, you can hear me that. So here's the So, Yeah, essentially, it was just running that one point six gigahertz against the reverse engineering to get an idea if there was anything that would lead to that frequency particularly or have any association with it. And what it referred to was within the craft that's being reversed engineered, there's a solenoid system. And so it said, when you treat the ionized charge column that the solenoid array generates as a cylindrical resonant cavity, and solve for the natural resonant frequency using first be cell function zero.

1:53:28 Speaker 6: The geometry design yields an effective column radius of roughly seven centimeters, which corresponds to a resonant frequency of approximately one point six gigahertz. So anything like that sound familiar.

1:53:46 Speaker 3: So it's making me think about the Kraken radar or the Kraken antenna, I should say, not radar that Eric has made multiples of tocifically, try and track the direction of where the one point six is coming from right, and he's used that multiple times. Ago off ranch and start tracking the signal, and it starts coming from different areas, but it always leads them back to the ranch.

1:54:15 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. And then.

1:54:20 Speaker 3: But so I hope that's just what it's making me think of. And I've also been in a hell in the helicopter during an experiment where we're trying to track these signals and the moment we get over where it says it's coming from, it jumps immediately to another location and we have to go back. Yeah, I know exactly why.

1:54:42 Speaker 1: So I was gonna say, what would this be a masking attempt? Like, uh uh, it's something in the ground. Maybe I can't even is it.

1:54:54 Speaker 3: Like a reflection off of uh?

1:54:58 Speaker 6: I mean it's the pole, it's the structure, vacuum that it's operating with it.

1:55:04 Speaker 2: So this is a way above my pay grade.

1:55:06 Speaker 1: But I was just telling you could that could the could this thing in the Mesa be creating some sort of field, because whether it's active or not, like whether the craft or whatever the thing is inside the mesa, whatever that thing is, if it's a craft, I don't.

1:55:26 Speaker 2: I mean, who knows whatever that thing.

1:55:28 Speaker 1: Is, could it be, could this signal be a byproduct of it?

1:55:33 Speaker 6: What it would be with what it would be would be an interaction with it. So and according to the research side to based off of this, there's places on the Earth, including like the skin Markle location, that are just the natural optimal locations based on geology and its relationship to gravitational and magnetic fields and the craft's ability to you know, develop this bubble. Some locations, again based on geology or through geo engineering, can be used as amplifiers.

1:56:12 Speaker 3: M yeah, so we we you know, we talk about when you look at the Una basin, it's a bowl and just so happens, is literally a bowl. Yeah, and Skinwalk Ranch is literally sitting in center of it. And I have a really cool video from when I was up in the helicopter one night, beautiful, gorgeous, just clear as clear, and I and as a helicopter sweeping around, I record the video where you can literally see the mountains.

1:56:39 Speaker 2: Can you send that to me?

1:56:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't.

1:56:42 Speaker 2: Air that one. I won't air that one, but I can.

1:56:45 Speaker 3: It's fine. That was years ago.

1:56:48 Speaker 6: But depending on these corridors so something like Skinwalker Ranch could have actually been engineered as a gap fill between natural cores, or there was something done there specifically to amplify it to make up for weaker areas that's surround it.

1:57:12 Speaker 2: Well, could the bowl have been could it?

1:57:15 Speaker 1: Could it be that like an astronaut or or like uh, a piece of you know, debris hit hits the earth and causes that bowl.

1:57:26 Speaker 3: Maybe you know that's where it's we I know, many of these conversations sound familiar from the last couple of years, you know, because like the bowl effect, and maybe why we're seeing these signals is when you go back and look. Travis and Eric did some comparisons and and Travis went back to the Bible, and so you know, talks about when you go and look at certain areas where in the Bible they talk about interacting with things, and you look at the topography in those areas, their.

1:57:59 Speaker 2: Bowl too interest.

1:58:03 Speaker 3: And he went through and did this whole presentation in regards to that, making those connections. And I also brought up the fact like, Okay, well, if you're going to be bringing up that too, you got to look at these individuals that they're talking about too, because again you have to look at everything, the totality of the circumstances, and all of these people were searching for a higher being, if you will. They were all living by a moral or higher code in my opinion, that we're all asked to live by.

1:58:35 Speaker 3: So I asked the team, are we the type of individuals that if something's going on out here? Are we the type of individuals it wants to interact with?

1:58:42 Speaker 2: Ah?

1:58:45 Speaker 3: Are we doing the things that you know? This kind of leaves me a good example is this. Everyone's like, oh, if aliens want to come talk to us, who are who should we go? And who should be the ones that they come talk to? And I'm like, no, I don't trust a single day person any government to represent me to the Yeah, yeah, right, I'm gonna agree with you there. I'm like, if it wants to come talk to me, it can come talk to me, right, and have to have that understanding of I'll respect you, you respect me kind of.

1:59:17 Speaker 1: Thing if it is talking to you guys, And that's very well could be, but.

1:59:24 Speaker 2: I hate to bring it back up. I living help.

1:59:28 Speaker 3: But that's the thing is I in my mind, this is maybe going into one of these other topics and I know we're coming up of time. But Ben woodruff our biologists. I don't want to go too deep into his stories, but I will tell you he almost He died from a massive heart attack about a year and a half ago. He died on the table eight times in the hospital, and and he has some very very powerful experiences from that.

2:00:06 Speaker 2: Really.

2:00:07 Speaker 3: And so when you go into the topic of like near death or you know, like say there's a book called like Return from Tomorrow, these different books that very much go into these types of things, the stuff that he talks about only adds to my faith.

2:00:21 Speaker 1: If you will, right, And that's that's what I wanted to round off with, is like all the experiences that you've had on the ranch, off the ranch that with I mean, I think we can both agree that that you're the hitchhiker effect is something that we will get to next episode with you, but we can safely assume that you you think it's a thing.

2:00:47 Speaker 4: So everything there's definitely.

2:00:48 Speaker 3: Some kind of intelligence behind it in my.

2:00:50 Speaker 1: Opinion, right, right, So without all of that, how has that changed you as a man from seven years ago?

2:00:58 Speaker 2: Eight years ago? And now, like you know, how is it? How is it changed?

2:01:04 Speaker 1: You can walk a ranch specifically in your and your faith.

2:01:09 Speaker 3: I would say it's only deep into it because one of the things I was going to hit on is he talks about interacting with some things that cover multiple if you will, phenomena, and I've I think I've told you this before in one of our previous conversations. Is I've had experiences again on and off the ranch where I can play some of them in more of a spiritual interaction.

2:01:33 Speaker 2: Like through that lens. Yeah, of course, right.

2:01:35 Speaker 3: Right, And then there's other ones that definitely one hundred percent in my mind are more technological, like some kind of technology some whether that's human or not, I don't know.

2:01:46 Speaker 3: But then say, other other dimensions, right, I can see in my mind, I if I think about it and am able to explain it well enough, it all is connected, right, I think. And there's and we know that there's other beings in in the both the Bible, in the book Morman, it talks about other beings. It talks about angels, talks about demons, and talks about all this stuff.

2:02:12 Speaker 1: Right, are by definition non human intelligence, yes, But so.

2:02:18 Speaker 3: I can see different realms if you will, like I can see little green aliens living in a whole different dimension as well as angels are demons leaving in other dimensions. Right, Like, it doesn't it doesn't shatter my way of thinking about you know, it doesn't have to be just one thing.

2:02:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, but does it worry you that?

2:02:39 Speaker 1: Like because right now, you know Trump, with Trump saying like, oh, we're going to classify all the all the UFO files. You know, there's been this like really big optic in people that think that, uh, what.

2:02:54 Speaker 2: We're dealing with here is demonic.

2:02:57 Speaker 1: I think that is a very very dangerous thing to do, is to conflate the two.

2:03:03 Speaker 3: Well, and that's, I guess be the.

2:03:05 Speaker 1: Same thing, Like could it be the same thing that through through that we've seen through different lenses, Like our ancestors called them angels and demons, and we call them aliens.

2:03:15 Speaker 2: Like could that be a thing? Absolutely?

2:03:17 Speaker 1: But I think to conflate the two just off the bat and say no, no, no, those are demons. We can't we can't interact with them, yeah at all. We can't even tell anyone that they exist, because if we do, it's so paradigm shifting that like that that's where I get into holy shit, Like we got to separate church and state to some degree.

2:03:40 Speaker 3: Well, and yes, I you know, yes and no, right, because I think it's very much part of the discussion of how open are we, because I would say, like, unless I had that type of experience showing out these are one demons, right, like, very well could happen. I'm not saying they couldn't, but yeah, in a way, I'm still skeptical of that. But I understand where you're coming from. But at the same time, it's like you say, like this you bring up like the church and state thing. Yeah, I absolutely like in that principle there was a separation, yes, but there was nothing in those men that wrote that saying I can't bring in my politically my religious views and to my political views right, very much shapes how I'm looking at things, right, and it is very much the separation the church and state thing is very much we can't have this organization dictating what this organization does and vice versa.

2:04:40 Speaker 3: Right, there has to be discourse, I agree, right, And so yeah, I get what you're saying, like it is very dangerous to eliminate other options out of hand, right, like just because that's what you want it to be.

2:04:55 Speaker 4: Kind of thing.

2:04:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I mean, like, even if we came to the conclusion that, oh, yes, this is what our ancestors would would have labeled a demon. Again, I think we need to be very careful in the future going forward. I think we if we do want to come at this even if it is a religious thing, right, even if it's a religious idea, if we're looking at it through a scientific framework, we need to change demon to non human intelligence because.

2:05:24 Speaker 2: Changes that well.

2:05:25 Speaker 3: And like I like I told you, science is its own religion. Yeah, Any any belief system that you have that you put all your stock into, that's your religion.

2:05:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

2:05:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I'm like, yeah, I have I agree with you. I I get what you're getting at there, Tyler, Like we need you have to be able to have in on this conversation and just be a truth finder kind of thing.

2:05:50 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, And even if the truth does bring us to a point where it's like this is not what we originally thought, I'm okay with that. I don't think there are a lot of people that aren't okay with that. So when you tell them it's not you know, a little gray being that comes from Zata reticular, I think they get really upset. I think I think they because again I think even yourphology to some degree, for some people is a religion very much so.

2:06:19 Speaker 3: Any so, it's people get more upset when you insult their non belief system, yes, like their actual belief system.

2:06:32 Speaker 4: Right.

2:06:32 Speaker 3: So if they absolutely one hundred percent believe do not believe in something, they will get more offended and more apt to react in a egotistical and angry way than if you're attacking like their actual belief system.

2:06:45 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, which is which is really backwards to me.

2:06:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like the same it's like the same side of you know, the different side of the same coin kind of thing.

2:06:55 Speaker 4: Absolutely in my mind.

2:06:57 Speaker 3: But and I love how Eric also says this he's been saying for years, is how can we reboot the narrative and elevate the discourse. That's good, I like, right, and and that's so again, yeah, like that we have Again, I see things through the lenses based on my experiences, just like everybody else. And that's like an example is I've had stuff happen as a law enforcement officer during this time that we're very much faith building, even though they came from very tragic cases.

2:07:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right right.

2:07:35 Speaker 3: And I would you know, people say all demonic force. I'm like, I can show you some human beings that are absolutely one hundre percent in my opinion, demons, it's pure evil. All right.

2:07:47 Speaker 2: I will agree with you there because.

2:07:49 Speaker 3: That's my definition of like, like, if you don't think evil exists, like again, just take a look at that scene stuff. I am absolutely right, and I'm one where I'm like, there's we have plenty of millstones and rope and ocean tides and we can take care of that issue.

2:08:08 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, but we.

2:08:10 Speaker 3: But that comes up to us as individuals being able to have that discussion and go, okay, let's take care of business.

2:08:16 Speaker 2: Yea.

2:08:19 Speaker 1: So Gail, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to bring in We're gonna be doing this, uh, you know, kind of full on assault of trying to get guests in the studio in the future. So I'd love for you to be one of them. Where can people other than other than on the History Channel and on the actual TV show, where can people interact with you and see what's going on with everything on Skinwalker Ranch. You guys have done something great by the way opening up the ranch to anybody.

2:08:48 Speaker 3: Essentially.

2:08:50 Speaker 2: The full security feed.

2:08:51 Speaker 1: I mean, if someone wanted to sit and watch Skinwalker Ranch all day, they could.

2:08:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there are people that do that. Is a Skinwalker dash ranch dot com or if you just put Skinwalker Ranch dot com in it will take you there too. And that's the that's the Insider page. And then also I'm on Instagram, Instagram and Twitter and Facebook. I'm generally spending most of my efforts on Instagram, and it's Caleb Bench or Caleb that Bench. And you should see my photo that it's the same photo that I think you got Tyler. And then yeah, so that's where I'm out. Yeah, that's where I'm at.

2:09:32 Speaker 3: That's where I'm posting more stuff and working the and obviously doing stuff like this. I appreciate you having me on and having the discussion.

2:09:41 Speaker 1: You know, yep, plenty more of it to be had. And again, like I was staying at the beginning, you know, I remember our first conversation. I was like I was still very green back then.

2:09:53 Speaker 2: I was doing it.

2:09:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was doing Total Disclosure as a segment of the other podcast.

2:10:01 Speaker 2: You know it.

2:10:02 Speaker 1: It was so oh man, it's we've just I think we've both come a long way and it's really been nice to catch up.

2:10:08 Speaker 2: We get some of that, get some of.

2:10:09 Speaker 1: That introductory stuff out of the way so that when we bring in we can kind of go into the real like storied aspect that I really want.

2:10:17 Speaker 2: To have a few things I'd love to yeah, man, catch up on.

2:10:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course we got I got plenty of stuff. And I'll remind me what I can send you to show.

2:10:28 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I absolutely and for everyone, for anyone in the future, we're gonna be doing a little bit of a of a secondary if you will live show tonight, uh or whenever, whenever you hear this, go back and watch. But uh, Gene and I the producer, we're gonna we're gonna sit down, we're gonna dish because we got some things we want to talk about, especially with all the developments as of lately. So Caleb, thank you so much for in here. To everyone else, check out yeah, check out that, check out that live stream after the fact, and uh, Caleber and you're always welcome.

2:11:09 Speaker 1: Like I said, I'll be in touch and uh, let's try to get you up to Boston man.

2:11:13 Speaker 3: Right Heck, heck, yeah, I'll come over to the Boston and let's go watch the Celtics.

2:11:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to go to a game, brother, I would love to lean carved time out for that.

2:11:21 Speaker 3: Uh.

2:11:22 Speaker 1: But so yep, watch uh season right now. You can watch see all the seasons one through six of uh The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch on History Channel or if you don't don't have cable, you can get it on History's The Vault, which is such a great that's what I use because I don't have cable anymore.

2:11:45 Speaker 2: So it's it's a really really great, great show.

2:11:48 Speaker 1: Again, I think it's one of the best, one of the best out of that sector because it is very rigorous and it's uh data collection, it's scientific driven uh focus, and you know, it is also a bit really fun to watch the personalities like yourself, you know, come to fruition over the years and come into your own So truly one of the better shows on History Channel in my opinion.

2:12:12 Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I appreciate it.

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