Inside Alien Abductions: Military & Civilian Parallels w/ Stephen Diener | "Contact in the Desert" Special

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0:22 Speaker 2: Welcome to a special edition of Total Disclosure Podcasts, coming to you directly from Contacting the Desert twenty twenty five Event Horizon, the epicenter of exploration, discovery, and all things otherworldly. I'm super happy to be joined today by hosts of Unidentified Alien Podcasts.

0:43 Speaker 3: Steven, how you doing great? Tyler?

0:46 Speaker 4: Happy to be here with you.

0:46 Speaker 3: Oh man, it's a pleasure.

0:48 Speaker 2: I love when we get to come out to these things. And yeah, of course interviewing people like Pi Robbins, Bassett, Sallas, you know, those interviews are some of my favorite to get. But also bringing the community together in a way, you know, offline, right off the off the platforms like Act, off the platforms like Reddit and and really being able to sit down and collaborate. And you know, today we're going to sit down for a twenty minute exclusive with you. You know, your voice that I think people are going to want to hear, and I think you have something of an exclusive to tell us.

1:28 Speaker 3: Right, So, how how do.

1:33 Speaker 2: You approach the topic of UAPs with your podcast? And you know, quickly, just just to surmize, how did you get into the topic.

1:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, so on both accounts, on the topic itself, is this really something that was always interested in?

1:48 Speaker 4: Well, actually, i'll rephrase that.

1:51 Speaker 1: Up until about fifteen or sixteen, I was terrified quick didn't want anything to do about it.

2:00 Speaker 4: When I would see a face of a gray X files on something like that, I was just like, oh my gosh, get it away from me. This is terrifying.

2:09 Speaker 1: But then something changed around I don't know, maybe like early twenties, somewhere in there, maybe we're about twenty years old, and I really started to get more interested than scared. Instead of laying the imagery scare me, I let the idea fascinate me, and the idea of what if what are all these stories?

2:32 Speaker 4: How come you have the Nasca lines.

2:37 Speaker 1: And then you have the Pyramids and you have all these ancient stories that actually kind of line up with what people are saying now about.

2:46 Speaker 4: Visitors and other lives.

2:47 Speaker 1: So it was round like collage age where I started really questioning all of it. And my first deep dive, well there was two. The first one was the Philadelphia experiment.

2:58 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yea to this day like just really really really fascinates me.

3:05 Speaker 2: I's watch the Unexplained episode on that, and yeah, that one's the one.

3:12 Speaker 1: Then it's it's wilderment.

3:16 Speaker 4: And then Edgar Casey.

3:18 Speaker 1: Edgar Casey is another one where and you talk about ancient Egypt with you know what he says about these things. I com Garrett under the Paw and it's talking about Atlantis and how everything connected.

3:27 Speaker 4: So those two things really.

3:29 Speaker 1: Led me down the rabbit hole, as we say all the time, the bad, the rabbit hole, you know, whatever you want, a cliche you want to use.

3:37 Speaker 4: And then it turned into me watching documentaries and.

3:40 Speaker 1: Shows and the people like you and I have interviewed, like Nick Pope. I would see in these shows and I would be taking notes about what they were saying, and now we're talking to them on our own shows.

3:50 Speaker 4: So it's it's really something. It had a life lost full circle like that sometimes.

3:56 Speaker 1: And when I started UAP almost four years ago in July twenty one, and I never expected it to be.

4:04 Speaker 4: More than just me talking about my favorite.

4:06 Speaker 1: Alien stories, right, and it turned into something that I could have never even planned for, which is just an unbelievable community of people who really like, thoroughly enjoy what I do, what I present, how I present it, which is just here are the details, here's the story. Here's the interview. The question is the answers you You make up your own mind. So it's it's fantastic.

4:27 Speaker 4: I love it.

4:28 Speaker 3: You recently did an interview with Loue Alizondo. Now I only bring this up because al Zando has been in.

4:34 Speaker 2: The news a lot recently, not something positive. So that interview that you did landed at a pretty weird time. It did so I unfortunately I haven't been able to watch it yet. But didn't Lou address any of the because the way I see it is, if you're if you are going to step in front of Congress and you are going to be representing like a cufo, like a tip, and you know why, why do you think he.

5:03 Speaker 3: Showed that picture?

5:05 Speaker 4: It was the first question I asked. I said, okay, listen.

5:09 Speaker 3: Let's get the elephant out of the room.

5:11 Speaker 1: Exactly what I said. I said, look, Lou, elephant in the room. Let's get this out of the way. We can't pretend like this didn't happen. Why did you show the picture?

5:19 Speaker 4: What happened? Was it just a mistake? You know? What was the situation? And that's what he said. He's like, look, I'm not infallible he's like, I think mistakes like everybody else. And he said the.

5:30 Speaker 1: Way it went down, and this is Blu's version of the story. The way it went down was he was about to go on and I guess it wasn't a congressional hearing. Obviously he was at that one that you and I were about that November of twenty fourth where he was sworn.

5:46 Speaker 4: This was not that.

5:47 Speaker 1: This was more along the lines of a round table discussion. And they asked He's like, they asked me to moderate. Obviy Lob is there, Eric Davis is there amongst others, and they asked me and moderated. He's like, before I go on, I have a pilot friend who I trust come up with me and say I want to look at this and want to show this to you. What do you think. He's like, you know, do you want to show it? See them while you're out there, and he's like, look, it's not vetted.

6:14 Speaker 4: It's not anything that's gone through the process of being debunked or not.

6:18 Speaker 1: He's like, so I trusted the guy, and I decided to show the picture and say this was not vetted. And he kept saying to me when I was talking to him. He's like, maybe I didn't say it enough. He's like, but I kept trying to say, this isn't vented. I was handed this picture. I want to show it. But you and I both know what happens when.

6:34 Speaker 4: You put out a picture of a purported UFO.

6:38 Speaker 1: That's what sticks in people's minds, and they're gonna think you're showing us a picture of UFO and you lie to us, or you misrepresented, or you're just dumb and you didn't know it was fake. So unfortunately, there wasn't a good result at all on what he did.

6:55 Speaker 4: Unfortunately.

6:56 Speaker 3: You know what strikes me the most.

6:59 Speaker 2: About that is you got to know and loot specifically, you have to understand that he has to know that what he puts out is going to be dissected for.

7:13 Speaker 5: Every minute, every second, every word, every annunciation, every picture is going to be analyzed, and it's going to be written over and talked about and analyzed.

7:27 Speaker 3: So to show something.

7:29 Speaker 2: That's not vetted, you know, of course, we're all human and we make mistakes. But I think what most people will agree on is why why make that mistake at that time?

7:40 Speaker 4: Right?

7:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's a fair critique. I mean, I would equate loud And I didn't say this to him, but I should have. Maybe I will if I speak to him again enough of time, I would equate ludes to for better or worse, a quarterback of a football team, Like, he's the guy that's out in front of the camera the most. He's the biggest name in this field. Like not, that's just the way it is.

8:04 Speaker 2: You know.

8:04 Speaker 4: We can talk about Ross Colthart, we can talk about Corbelle.

8:06 Speaker 1: Everybody else, right, and they all are great in their own respect, but he's the guy, Yes, And to your point, when he says something or shows something, it is gonna be critique very much, just like a quarterback at the quarterback is at a nightclub.

8:24 Speaker 4: And his picture sapped the thing with some world who is not his wife.

8:27 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go all over. You know, You're gonna be critique. You're gonna be dissected in the same way.

8:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right.

8:34 Speaker 1: And so it's it's it's to finish off that analogy there, but so it's it was just unfortunate. And you know, I asked him, I said, do you think you were saying up? And he said, I don't think so. But it's it's not on the wrong possibility. It's like I trusted the guy who gave it to me, So he's like, I don't think he would do that to me.

8:54 Speaker 4: It's like, if I'm not gonna, you know, say that, it's out of the question.

8:58 Speaker 3: And I don't want to keep beating it doors here because we have much more talk about.

9:03 Speaker 2: It's just you know, because then then him and then he leaves the U A P Disclosure front right shortly after right right, matt Ford and Melon stays on.

9:15 Speaker 3: Now. When Alexander left TTSA.

9:17 Speaker 2: Melon left with him, So I mean when Alexander left ttsa Melon went with him. So I mean, I hope that that relationship is still there because I think they're a good team.

9:26 Speaker 1: It is, and he mentioned that too, And this was actually off the area.

9:30 Speaker 4: I ran out of time. We spoke for two hours. We had booked an hour and a half and.

9:35 Speaker 1: Then I ran out of time, but still talked to him after we don't recording, and one of the things that we talked about afterwards that did make the recording was it's all good when it comes to Melon and fo.

9:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're all good. The relationship is fine.

9:49 Speaker 1: He's like he's like, literally, dude, I had a time. He's like, I told him.

9:53 Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it for this long. He's like, the time was up on it.

9:56 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm just running out of dand with I think he used the phrase of in the kindle both ends. He's like, I just can't do it anymore. And that's really what it came down to. He's like, Melon didn't want me to leave. He's like, I'm sure the text messages is like no, I'm not allowing you. He's resigning. He's like, but I it's like, I just I can't do it anymore. I have to like cut something out. And this was always the plan was to leave. So again, funny time, kind of like the interview I did with him that was also funny.

10:21 Speaker 2: That right, right, series of unfortunate events. But let's turn the table back to you, and.

10:28 Speaker 3: You know what you've been doing. I think you know the interviews that you put out. They're very well researched and you ask provocative questions, and you know it's not the same old interview, which is what is really what I like in a in a podcast or.

10:43 Speaker 2: A host, you're doing something a little bit unique.

10:48 Speaker 3: So you're you're it's part of the podcast.

10:51 Speaker 2: But it's a subset of it, right, So maybe you want to talk about a little bit of what you've been doing.

10:57 Speaker 4: Yes, so this is the exclusive.

10:59 Speaker 3: Yes ex mousivo, Yes, this is it.

11:04 Speaker 1: So back in November of twenty four, around the time actually that we were at the Congressional hearing, the idea, very very soft pitch was presented to me about doing some type of investigative series tends like a six eight ten episode season on one thing, because as you know, with UAP, it's all about here's the story for that episode. At most of all, we're going to do two parts. I think I've only done one to three part like in the four years I've been doing the show, and then I move on, next story, next guest, whatever it might be.

11:38 Speaker 1: So I was again soft pitch of what do you think about doing something like this? And I was like, you know what, it actually has been something I thought about, but I just don't have the time, is the problem. And then I was like, maybe I do. And I thought about it and I thought, okay, what would this be like if I did a whole season something, what would that subject be? And I went through a couple of different ideas in my head, and then January rolls around this year and I have someone reach out to me who you're going to hear in this new series.

12:14 Speaker 4: I can only call them mister Jay.

12:18 Speaker 1: Mister Jay is someone who has never been on any other show. And I'm not saying this and like, you know, to brag, it's not that, and I always want to make that clear because I do not like to brag. I always that somebody who just reached out to me. He's in Europe and he came to me and he's like, look, I really want to.

12:41 Speaker 4: Tell you about my experiences.

12:43 Speaker 1: And I always very I take that what I caution, and I'm not trying to put anybody down. And someone tries to tell me their experiences by all means, I always love reading those messages and I take them seriously. But when someone says I want to talk to you face to face through zoom, that's when I start to say, I don't know what I went for it and I took the chance, and his story led me to say yes to this new venture. His story revolves around his lifelong abductions and unexplained medical conditions resulting from them, so that led me down the path of I need to do this.

13:26 Speaker 1: It's going to be ten episodes a whole season. Ten of its was long, one after the other, one every week. It's not a Netflix bad right, It's more like Manualori and Disney Plus or it's one one after the other, and it's all about for ten episodes, AHI anomalous health incidences or issues, and it covers that phenomenon of people who have implants, abductions, close encounters, and they all have the common thread of having some type of unexplained medical condition documented, not some guy that you'd saying, look at the star, I got it from an alien, And it's we're talking about.

14:09 Speaker 2: More like John Burrows the documented case of health effects after coming in contact.

14:17 Speaker 4: With a correct exactly.

14:19 Speaker 2: Okay, So so it's fair to say that you know you'll be talking about things like Havevana syndrome, Yes, okay. And you know we know that doctor Gary Nolan has been doing a lot of work on that directed energy weapons and not well.

14:37 Speaker 3: Not directed energy weapons specifically.

14:39 Speaker 2: But do you think that there's something to this whole idea that we do have the capabilities that secret technology or secret non lethal technologies that might be also affecting people.

14:53 Speaker 4: Yes, it seems that way.

14:55 Speaker 3: Targeted.

14:55 Speaker 4: It really does this unfortunately, and targeted is the word to use.

14:58 Speaker 1: Actually, I don't know why that is why these people are targeted.

15:02 Speaker 4: Now they give me different reasons why. So maybe that.

15:05 Speaker 1: Has something to do with it, you know, family history or just you know government employees who are targeted, whatever it might be. So it really touches it and brought up manism because it touches on the terrestrial and non terrestrial sides of anomalous health inituences.

15:21 Speaker 4: So that's that's the that's the exclusive. It's called UAP Investigates. I'm super exciting.

15:27 Speaker 3: I'm excited about it.

15:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's a ton of work. Ten episodes, so that's what we said. Along with ten.

15:34 Speaker 1: Episodes, I have half the season produced, half to.

15:38 Speaker 4: Go, and it's it's gonna come out soon.

15:41 Speaker 1: That first episode is gonna come out soon, So keep you updated online.

15:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to, Like I said, I'd love to watch it and definitely talk about it.

15:50 Speaker 3: But so, I mean, is this what what you're doing

15:57 Speaker 3: with abduction and that realm?

16:01 Speaker 2: Does it give you any didn't give you any hesitation at first? Like when you came into the topic. I know you said you were, you know, a little bit afraid, like when you're younger. I mean, abduction is the most terrifying aspect of this whole thing, that you could take it out of your room, right or taking it up into a craft and wake up.

16:19 Speaker 3: On a table. So does it give you.

16:24 Speaker 2: A little bit of pause when you dive into a subject like this.

16:27 Speaker 4: It does, but for another reason.

16:30 Speaker 1: So I'm not again, I don't see this in like a braggadocious way. I'm not afraid of being an inducted. And what I mean by that is from everything I've come across. Maybe you've noticed the same thing. It feels like people are chosen from a younger age. It doesn't feel like it's going to happen for the first time to a thirty eight, thirty nine years old guy.

16:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're past the abduction beginning point.

16:52 Speaker 4: It seems that way.

16:54 Speaker 3: Here's here's the thing that I've been talking about with other people.

16:58 Speaker 2: Do you think the abduction phenomena has slowed down or do you think it maybe has changed.

17:04 Speaker 4: That's a great question. I don't think it's slowed down.

17:09 Speaker 1: I think and this is just from an observational point of view, I think the conversation around it has changed. To your point, I think there's just so many other things that we talk about or notice or you know, tweet about it or create content about that. The conversation. It's become one conversation point, whereas in some cases before it was like the thing abductions close kinds that they're kind of fire from the sky.

17:39 Speaker 4: At least there are things that was the thing.

17:42 Speaker 1: Now we talk about Ahi, we talked about implants and all these other subjects. So it feels like it's still going on just from what we hear, right, the people we talk to.

17:52 Speaker 4: But I think it's I think you're right. I think it's the conversation.

17:55 Speaker 2: Because I mean, think about it, think about it, past Google, happened.

17:58 Speaker 3: Today, right, what was what would it be like? What would the what would the world?

18:03 Speaker 2: How would the world be impacted a world that is so much more connected in an event like that that got a lot of coverage, or like the phoenix lights something like they do you think?

18:16 Speaker 3: I mean, because it's odd that with the rise in.

18:20 Speaker 2: Technological advancement, the amount of mass slightings has gone or sightings like the phoenix lights like Pascaloula, which has was actually seen by a lot more people than people realize. There's like there's over thirty witnesses to that to to that craft and they all say the same thing. So you know, I don't think it's mass hallucination like others say. I think there is something to alien abduction or abduction at least.

18:52 Speaker 1: I think the one that gets me the most when you talk about that is the aerial school in Zimbabwe. Very much, that way gets me the most. Mid nineties, I believe, right. And for me just just from a I.

19:07 Speaker 4: Look at this from a parent's standpoint of view, two kids, I have two kids, ten and eight. Pretty much the age group of the school children is a bob.

19:15 Speaker 1: When this happened the craft lands, they all see these, you know, aliens come off. They all describe it. And when I look at it from his parents point of view, what I mean by that is it is extremely difficult to get kids to agree on something. And if you're gonna put twenty to thirty school children in a room and say you're all gonna say you saw this, this, this, this, You're gonna draw the same pictures. All your pictures is gonna have this detail, detail that detail. It is impossible. Yes, I agree, impossible, dary impossible, two kids that I have literally impossible.

19:56 Speaker 1: I would be it would be easier for me to create a wormhole and then to get twenty to thirty school children to agree what things saw and to agree what you saw in witnessing a UFO land and aliens come off.

20:14 Speaker 4: It just doesn't happen.

20:16 Speaker 2: And then the added pressure of how much network coverage, how much coverage it was getting by people like John Matt right.

20:22 Speaker 3: Or that was that the same one.

20:25 Speaker 2: But yeah, so I mean when people when you start putting cameras on kids, right, you're gonna start seeing, You'll start seeing the flaws eat very soon. But there was something that is ever convincing about that story, and I think it is because of their children, and there's that aspect of the innocence and what.

20:42 Speaker 3: What reason would they have to lie?

20:44 Speaker 4: Exactly right?

20:45 Speaker 3: Why would they lie? It just doesn't really make sense. So have you ever seen anything? So I've you wea out of sighting.

20:55 Speaker 1: The only thing that I can say that was close to the sighting because I'm not experiencer and I'm more of it, and that's what I was talking about earlier, like I feel like people are chosen to a certain extent to experience or to be abducted.

21:07 Speaker 3: Even I think so.

21:11 Speaker 1: And I mean when I say to see, I mean I'm talking like orbs coming down and like that type of experience. Maybe maybe it's just stay close encounter, Like I think anybody can see something.

21:20 Speaker 4: Across this whoa what was that?

21:22 Speaker 1: Which is pretty much what happened to me. So the only thing that I can say that I can point to was a couple of years ago. It was at my brother's house in South Florida and we're standing out at this pool at night and we all saw like this little light go. It was a circle, a little orb circle go across the sky going north to south.

21:44 Speaker 4: I was like, oh god, I just look at the satellite. I was telling myself. Is next to me, like like look satellite. And it's like, oh wow, cool, look at that.

21:51 Speaker 1: And we're all standing out there, my my my kids, my brother, his kids, his wife, my wife, and then another one kidding. I'm like, oh, it's supposed to be starling, right, this is really cool, right, And then another one came from east to west.

22:07 Speaker 4: Now it's different directions.

22:09 Speaker 3: Interestact thing right, and then west east and.

22:12 Speaker 1: Then south and north, and it happened for like ten minutes, these little white going orbs, we're.

22:17 Speaker 4: Going across the sky at about that this was storing up. It was about the speed of his satellite. If every single satellite, Oh.

22:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw the last night for like I mean, most of people call me if I was on Facebook, right.

22:30 Speaker 1: Usually it's yeah, so and so you know that speed. It's faster than the airplanes, fashion than the helicopter. But it's a steady light going across the sky. Yeah exactly. And so I'm like, well, it's not a satellite because there would be a lot of st it's playing around right now, back to back, back to back, right, and I thought starlight because those link.

22:50 Speaker 3: Up, and I seen the storyline. I think it looks like a pearl, like a line of pearl exactly.

22:55 Speaker 1: So I don't know what that was. It was all different directions, Like I said, back to act. For about five ten minutes of these Lloyd horbes just went across and they all lasted about I would say maybe thirty seconds to sixty second intervals.

23:12 Speaker 4: So that's mostly Did you checked.

23:14 Speaker 3: For meteor showers?

23:16 Speaker 4: No, But it moving like a meteor.

23:19 Speaker 3: Okay, well yeah I could.

23:21 Speaker 4: But you know, it just it wasn't moving like that.

23:23 Speaker 6: It was forward and it was yeah right, So I mean, if we look at what that's doing, right, so, once north south on's the east west, it's creating what is across right, Yeah, So I want to pull this back.

23:38 Speaker 2: Do you think that there is a connection between, like you said earlier, when our when our ancestors and what ancient civilizations have took long periods of time to.

23:50 Speaker 3: Carve into the rock?

23:52 Speaker 2: Do you think that we're seeing the same thing that our ancestors and early civilizations saw and the name is simply changed, or do you think we're dealing with a lot of different phenomenon in the world, just not black and white.

24:05 Speaker 1: I think there might be something to that where it might have been the same then, but I think they actually had more encounters. It's more less distraction, of course, yes, right, a deeper personalization with it than we have now. Like right now, that deeper personalization seems to be very limited to like a select few people who say, I've been on the craft, they speak to me, I speak to them.

24:31 Speaker 4: Dark people like that out there, for sure, they're all here. Yeah, that's right, We've been for you, that's right. But it does it does.

24:39 Speaker 1: It seems to be that they have been around longer than we have, and they've been interacting with the human race in different ways past that years.

24:51 Speaker 3: Well, what if what if.

24:54 Speaker 2: I want to play a hypothetical year, what if we find out that they had hand in our creation? Do you think the world would be ready to find out? Like Daddy's Home and I say that, I say, that's a very crude analogy. But you know why you feel like neodograss Ice and.

25:14 Speaker 3: Say, oh why would why would they be interested in humans?

25:18 Speaker 2: I can think of one reason, right, I can think of a couple. Actually, So, what if they had a hand in our creation? And that's the big secret they don't want out because are we ready to really meet our creator?

25:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's definitely a facet to the conversation, that's no doubt about it. Because you know, one of the things I always talk about when it comes to why the secrecy why do we continue to not dispose us?

25:42 Speaker 4: Would be religion.

25:44 Speaker 1: And if you have a facet to this that says these beings helped to create us or created us their God like whatever that.

25:57 Speaker 4: Might be, that would be real damaging to society. Now, personal belief, I don't believe that.

26:06 Speaker 1: I do believe that there could have been an intervention, Like I think you can have both. Just again, personal belief. I think you could say that God created man in the universe and whatever else is in the universe, and you could also say that some of his creation had a hand in manipulating his creation, the same way we manipulate.

26:28 Speaker 2: Animals or crisper, you know, yeah, I mean these all these new ideas the same way where God to what we assume will be general artificial intelligence exactly right, why we created it?

26:41 Speaker 3: And what if that is our purpose?

26:43 Speaker 2: You know, because like you look at every other animal or be it, you know, insect or just being on this planet, and it seems to have a function in the ecosystem. Humans really don't. They take more than they give to the planet, and we we seem to serve no function except our own, right, And what if our function is then edited to create and to want to innovate and to keep creating and to not be satisfied ever and want that want and want, and that ultimately always leads to artificial intelligence and creating the next form of life.

27:21 Speaker 2: I mean, do you think it's hard because you I don't.

27:26 Speaker 3: You don't want to isolate anyone religiously. But what if what if?

27:33 Speaker 2: I mean, what if God is is just? What if God is everything? What if everything is God? I mean a reason study came out and said that every atom is conscious?

27:45 Speaker 3: What is consciousness?

27:46 Speaker 1: Right?

27:46 Speaker 3: Right? All these questions they fascinate me. So and I know it's a lot of I just hate you with a lot.

27:52 Speaker 2: But I I I really do think that they might have had a hand in our development because there's a lot of things that would it would explain being explained, the jump in our intelligence. There's that the period where our brain doubles cosmically overnight.

28:13 Speaker 3: We went out against.

28:14 Speaker 2: The Neanderthal, which is bigger, faster, stronger, and more equipped to live in a world like it. We shed our pelts, I mean, we shed our fur only to need pelts in the winter.

28:27 Speaker 3: It's just all these questions. That's what gets me up in the morning.

28:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it does. The theory makes sense. Now, can we say it's true? We have no idea.

28:36 Speaker 3: The sun burns us. The very thing that gives us life burns us.

28:42 Speaker 2: It doesn't burn anything else except California.

28:46 Speaker 1: Right, But are we talking about a theory of you know, like the movie Prometheus.

28:56 Speaker 4: You know that that has.

28:59 Speaker 1: Always made to me again, if you want to, you know, subscribe to God created all of these things, which I do.

29:07 Speaker 4: Then pay God created tigers and created bodings, may created a like right, you know what I mean. So it's very possible that if there's other creation out there.

29:15 Speaker 3: That are playing that role of what we did with that exactly. So that's a very interesting notion notion.

29:23 Speaker 2: I really, I really want to say thank you for for sitting down with me, and I know, you know, taking time out of your schedule is we're all very busy here, but you're.

29:34 Speaker 3: Always a pleasure to talk to you. I really, I really cannot wait to see. So what is it?

29:39 Speaker 2: So? How can people where can people watch this series when it comes out?

29:44 Speaker 3: And how can people find you if they don't know already?

29:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be so it's gonna be up Investigates. So it's going to be an offshoot of UAP. You'll be able to It's gonna be.

29:54 Speaker 4: Kind of weird. It's going to have it's a separate feed but also be connected to U A P. So yeah, i'll have you know, I'll alright.

30:01 Speaker 1: Details there, but it's gonna come soon. And like I said, ten episode season, I hope to be able to do the second season on a different subject, possibly something we were just talking about actually speaking of theologians and things like that.

30:14 Speaker 4: That's camp and lute.

30:17 Speaker 3: Oh.

30:18 Speaker 1: But as far as this first season, Hi and almost health instances. We spoken to Jason Sands, louebl Zondo is a part of it. Linda Thompson, who some people might know.

30:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, she's a wealth of knowledge. Yeah, wait until from a research standpoint or from like an experience or experience.

30:39 Speaker 1: It got to a point where she actually said to me we recorded a few weeks ago, and she's like, I can't talk about that.

30:47 Speaker 4: I said, really, it's like, yeah, I don't. I don't want to talk about that.

30:50 Speaker 1: And I got it got to the point where and I haven't told anybody this yet. Actually, after I was done, my wife text me, she's like, oh, how did your interview go? I was like, I don't even know how to explain it. I'm like sitting here, I'm like I need a break to outside and walk around for like ten fifteen minutes, so she's a part of it. There's there's a lot of people in this who have been able to speak to Jeff Lusa Telly, who's.

31:11 Speaker 3: Kind I just I literally just talked to him today.

31:15 Speaker 1: Great guy. He had the red Cube incidents at Vandenberg.

31:18 Speaker 4: Airport, base them on to talk about it. Yeah, and he has.

31:22 Speaker 1: His own personal story of an orbit counter and friends who have encounters like him.

31:27 Speaker 4: So it all connects. It's all gonna be within the ten episodes.

31:31 Speaker 1: Like I mentioned mister Jay, who is the inspiration to even do this this subject to begin with. So there's a lot of incredible detail and stories and it all comes together. You gotta hear some familiar names and some familiar details.

31:46 Speaker 4: Mixed in with new names and new details.

31:49 Speaker 2: Great, he investigates, Well, I'll put a little I'll put a link or QR code right here for anyone and we'll bring you right to his page.

31:57 Speaker 3: Steve, thank you so much for doing this.

31:59 Speaker 4: Next tell I really enjoyed this.

32:01 Speaker 2: So uh let's get back to contact in the desert and get the next person on in here. Uh like share, subscribe if you're listening to a podcast platform, leave a review.

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