LOCKHEED MARTIN AEROSPACE TECH KYLE KNOPP "I WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO SEE THAT UFO..."

0:00 Speaker 1: In the world of black projects in classified aerospace programs, few names carry more weight than Lockheed Martin Skunkworks. For decades, whistleblowers and insiders have pointed to this secretive division as one of the primary places where technology that defies conventional explanation may have been studied, reverse engineered, and in some cases flown. Ben Rich, the legendary former head of Skunk Works, once stood in front of a room and made a statement that still echoes throughout the UFO community to this day.

0:38 Speaker 1: We now have the technology to take et home, and even rumored to be on the Lockheed Skunkworks Wall was a succession of craft that ended with a large, silent triangular vehicle, a craft that would later be whispered about in the same breath as the legendary t R three b astra. Kyle Knopp is a current Space Force technician and radar system specialist. Before that, he served as an Air Force mechanic, and later he worked for Lockheed mart His expertise lies in navigation and communications on advanced aircraft systems, but on one particular evening into the early morning, while heading into work at Lockheed, Kyle witnessed something that he was never supposed to see.

1:27 Speaker 1: Oscillating at tree top level over the flight line on base hovered a large, silent triangular craft right near the facility, a craft that looked strikingly similar to the very technology rumored to exist within the blackest corners of the defense industry. This is one man's direct, first hand account, someone who spent years working on the very systems designed to detect, track, and understand the objects in our SI Guys, Today, on this episode of Total Disclosure, Kyle Knock steps forward with his story.

3:36 Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody to Total Disclosure. My name is Tie and I'm the host of the show.

3:42 Speaker 2: Uh.

3:42 Speaker 1: Super excited to be back in the chair today. It's been I took about I took about a week off, a little bit more than a week actually, and before we get started today on the show, I definitely wanted to say this because in the last week and a half roughly I snapped out of like looking at anything on x OR. I just kind of plugged, took myself and unplugged, and I feel so much better and grounded and refreshed. So I really do implore people to do more of that. Once a month, once a week. I think with this topic UFOs and the phenomena and these very existential things.

4:37 Speaker 1: It's easy, it's so easy to get lost and wrapped up and feeling like you're on the cutting edge, feeling like you're talking about things that matter, that you forget that you're a human being and that this is not all that life is right, life is enjoying the experiences. Life is not about sitting on an X space. It's not whether we want to believe that or not. So that's my PSA for the day. But welcome back to total disclosure. I'm super happy to be here today. We have a very very special guest. I was going to do this as a new segment, pulled an audible because I thought that this was a little bit more important than just a thirty minute, you know, to the point setting.

5:28 Speaker 1: But today we have Kyle Knopp, who is a space and aerospace technician radar electronics mechanic. He was with the United States Space Force at Hurlbert Field, Florida, or still is a US Air Force veteran from twenty eight to twenty sixteen. He specialized in aircraft maintenance, communication, navigation, and radar systems. He later worked for Lockheed Martin before returning to government service with the Space Force, where he actually still maintains an active security clearance. Kyle It today is going to share his raw, first hand account of a personal sighting of an unidentified triangular craft that he saw on base.

6:16 Speaker 1: This is told straight from him, without too much speculation, too much filler. It's just his witness experience and what we can discern from it. As I've said on the show so many times before, the people that protect our country, the people that sign up sign their lives away and go risk it all. They literally put their life on the line for the freedom of this country. If they come back and they say, hey, I saw something and I just want to be heard, we owe it to them. We at the minimum, we owe it to them to hear them out.

7:02 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, this gentleman has been plagued by a lot of people in the community who've just turned their heads. And I ask, why is that he maintains an active security clearance, works for or worked for one of the companies that many people suggest has to do the most reverse engineering and you know, exploitation of material of unknown origin. Why is everybody looking away? So today I think we're going to discern a little bit more about why that may be. So with that, I introduce Kyle no US Air Force veteran.

7:48 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your service. Let's kick it off,

7:59 Speaker 1: my friend, Thank you.

8:01 Speaker 3: That's quite the intro. Like I got big shoes, I gotta.

8:05 Speaker 1: Feel, yeah you do, Yep, huge shoes.

8:09 Speaker 4: I'll tell my version of the truth. That's all I can do. Open book, Like I always say, just ask questions if you have.

8:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, that's what we're here to do. We're here to have a healthy discussion. Really, and I guess maybe let's break the ice. Who are beside from what I said, you know, brief stuff, what made you go into the military? Where are you from? Why'd you take that path? Are? Who is Kyle?

8:41 Speaker 3: Oh boy? I was born in Syracuse, New York, upstate New York. My whole life.

8:50 Speaker 4: I lived there until eighteen. I actually met my internet sweetheart. She lived in Idaho and I lived in New York.

8:59 Speaker 3: We met.

9:01 Speaker 4: Eventually I was like, I need to do something with my life. And I realized that like when she told me to do stuff, I did it well. And I was like, I need somebody to tell me to do things. And I know the military. So my dad did prior service. He was Air Force for twelve years. And my her father in law was also a prior service Air Force as an aircraft mechanic. And my dad did a NSA secret stuff for SR seventy one. He was the navigator person that told it where to go in Okinawa. So that's pretty cool.

9:32 Speaker 4: But so I had that like in my background, and I was like, Okay, well I need to get told what to do, so.

9:39 Speaker 3: Let me join the military.

9:41 Speaker 1: Some people in the.

9:43 Speaker 4: People were like, Kyle, you're not big and strong and tough enough for the Army Marines. Let's be real, Like I'm not gonna I did want to be a Navy seal, but people talking me out of that. I was like, I know I have the mental ability to just block stuff out, and they always said it's like ninety percent. Anyway, long story short, I end up joining the Air Force in two thousand and eight. It was January, and I went open electronics because I was always like that tinkerer. I messed with stuff, Like if stuff broke, I kind of want to like it's already broken, let me just check it out, see how it works.

10:17 Speaker 3: Can I fix it?

10:18 Speaker 4: So like anytime i'd ever go visit my parents, I literally I fixed their microwave, I fix their sliding door, I fix their lamp cords.

10:25 Speaker 3: I'd fix just because it like this broken your sword away? Why the hell not.

10:30 Speaker 4: That's what I learned about electricity because my PlayStation two is capacitor. I plugged that sucker in. I was like messing with it, unplugged it. I was like, oh, like a little kid. So I was like, oh, that's that's what a capacitor is. Okay, that's what discharge feels like. But then by the time I, like you get to eighteen, You're like, I messed with this enough. I feel comfortable with electronics. So I went literally open electronics, knowing because if you go with like a specific thing, they have to give you that career field if you know this or not.

11:01 Speaker 4: So like you can go in and like pre request certain things. Even you can go and get like a specific job if you're really needed. But I went open electronics, which usually means you need to hire asbab so you're like your testing score.

11:13 Speaker 1: Yeah.

11:14 Speaker 4: So then that way I know, no matter what the Air Force is gonna give me, it should be electronics related. So that's why I got Aircraft Mechanic and it was comm NAB, so the communications and navigations.

11:26 Speaker 3: So I went to Herbert Field.

11:27 Speaker 4: It was supposed to be just COMM NAB in general, which can go on any plane because they all have communication.

11:32 Speaker 1: And navigation navigation.

11:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then for some reason I went to the Air Force Special Operations Command ASSOC.

11:40 Speaker 3: So it's Herbert Field, Florida.

11:42 Speaker 4: And then they shredded me, which means they like recode you to only ASSOC planes. So I was stuck basically at Herbert Field for all eight years of my entire service. I was like, yeah, so I got to see everything on that base, Like I literally got to do like CTK or so your handing out the tools. I did Honor Guard because there's so many of us calm nav there's like of us that they just shred up or they just pawn us out to anything and everything on base. Oh so that's kind of blurry about, right, the six months that you do base Honor Guard nice and and then on the back there's the creed that you had to say to like earn it beautiful.

12:28 Speaker 3: It's humbling and really depressing.

12:30 Speaker 4: I'm sure in other areas it's great, but down where I am at, it's all retired people in like special forces, so everybody's dead.

12:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, Animoni is just a funeral. I'm like, this is hurts your soul after a while.

12:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a little bit, a little bit, but so sorry, you're.

12:51 Speaker 2: So you're.

12:54 Speaker 1: You really like that? That that the electronics, you like the calms.

12:59 Speaker 3: Electronics has always been my thing?

13:01 Speaker 1: What now? What type? What? What was the most what? What was the aircraft that you were most familiar with or was there an aircraft yeah, that you were most familiar with?

13:11 Speaker 4: That I only when you go there, you get assigned to a specific aircraft. And mine was the MC one thirty h. So it's a C one thirty hybrid. So like I'm sure obviously most people notice one thirty is this big as cargo plane with the props.

13:24 Speaker 3: Mine had a long nose if you call it, like a duck nose or whatever.

13:28 Speaker 4: And in that is a bunch of radars. I don't know if I can go into detail, but you guys don't need to know all that away. But train following trade and avoidance is so it's made to fly like in the mountains and like drop stuff off the back drop people off the back this heavy radar stuff basically, so like I have a lot of like RF expertise training and that, like it's a really there's no other plane that really has.

13:52 Speaker 3: You have to look at it to be honest. It's a big long nose.

13:55 Speaker 4: It's the MC one thirty h I think they sadly retired it, and then they before that they switched to the J model.

14:01 Speaker 3: But I got out before all that.

14:04 Speaker 1: Right now you end up, so you do eight years at Herbert Field, how do you go from there to Space Force?

14:17 Speaker 4: And lockeed, well, I got out and then I took a break and then I was like, stop feeling sorry for yourself, get back into it. So I got my VA disability, let's be real whatever, and then I went tried to get back to this area because I know there's a lot of stuff here. But before that, I went to like Making Georgia, which is the greatest place because it's just the workplace there. From going from professional to not professional, it was like holy.

14:52 Speaker 5: So I went to Warner Robbins and I was doing like I don't even want to get them in trouble, but Delta planes and all them, like I'd drop a screw and I'd go to look for my screw that I dropped, and then I literally find fifteen other screws.

15:06 Speaker 1: Oh god.

15:07 Speaker 3: And then I'm like and you.

15:08 Speaker 4: Could see, like just looking around there would be like five or six people with like a really tight, clean looking toolbox and like they had to crap together. And then you just go talk to them and they're like, yeah, I'm prior. Maybe I'm prior air Force. I'm like, oh, that makes sense. You're the only ones that look like you know what you're doing here.

15:24 Speaker 1: Yeah.

15:24 Speaker 3: I had this vibe that like it was very very bad, something.

15:28 Speaker 1: Bad because you're you're supposed to account for every screw, every bolt, every nothing should go missing. Yeah right, am I right?

15:39 Speaker 3: If you find anything in sight, it's your responsibility to pick it up.

15:42 Speaker 1: Yes, so, and you're working on aircraft, so like one bolt missing could catastrophically.

15:50 Speaker 3: Things not being torqued right, things not being sealed right. Things.

15:53 Speaker 4: I'm like, I literally I went inside the things, sealed it with a torque wrench and did everything. And then QA came in there and was like I can't pass this because you got all this stuff in here. I'm like, I worked right here, and I looked around the area and I was like, just zip ties and everything everywhere. I'm like, I didn't do any of this. And this is inside. This is where you hook up the power to the aircraft. I'm doing the other side of it. So they just have loose stuff everywhere inside this plane just rattling around, and I'm.

16:19 Speaker 3: Going to take the blame for it.

16:21 Speaker 4: That's why I was like, I need to get out here immediately, like this is insane. So I was like, I need to find a better job. And that's when Lockey Martin was like, hey, yo, And that's how I came back to the same base that I was working on, dude all eight years from the airport. Yeah yeah, like, welcome back to Herbert Field.

16:42 Speaker 3: Inside to the flight.

16:43 Speaker 1: Line, welcome back.

16:45 Speaker 4: I came back like a year and a half later, and people were like what the eff are you doing here because I was in like clothing like this, and like like you can't be out here. I'm like, yeah, I can.

16:56 Speaker 1: You're bad just green now or whatever, a lanyard.

17:00 Speaker 3: You just have your line badgers. Other than that, like I'm wearing civilian.

17:02 Speaker 1: Clothes and that, well that did you now.

17:06 Speaker 3: Working on the exact same plane. Now you can't tell me.

17:11 Speaker 1: Did Did you have a security active security clearance? Is that? Do you that? Yeah? So that's for lock Locky, right, the.

17:22 Speaker 3: Flightline in general, you have to have a secret.

17:23 Speaker 1: Clearance, oh, for the flight line.

17:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I was working on the flight line planes. So I did multiple things for Lockey Martin and then so originally I was a simulator aircraft person. So I was literally flying like the MC one thirty the C one thirty is the CB twenty two's and it's like so they can train like how to load stuff and all like gunship stuff there, so they can train how to like shoot and everything. They all connect together and different locations and YadA.

17:51 Speaker 3: YadA YadA. I did that for a while. So like I did that night shift, that's actually when I saw my UFO.

17:57 Speaker 4: But if there's other like later on I did other parts of Lockheed where you did actual simulator or I go on into wired modifications for like Link sixteen, so we were putting in a system that talks to all the communication navigation basically and yeah, out so everybody can know what how much fuel, how much amal all that kind of stuff everybody has and they all communicate together. I did that for a while, and that's why I went to Okinawa for three months because I actually had to modify those planes over in Japan, which is pretty dope because I never got to go anywhere for the Air Force.

18:27 Speaker 4: And I was like, wait, there's my planes this whole time in Japan, and I was like, I knew that, but I never had the chance to go.

18:34 Speaker 3: I kind of forgot it. But it was so cool.

18:36 Speaker 4: So I'm working on literally the exact same plane, the exact same unit. So this is like year nine now at this point of on Herbert Field. And that's when I saw what I wasn't supposed to see.

18:48 Speaker 3: I guess right.

18:50 Speaker 4: I was coming into my simulator job that night. It was twelve oh one. I was like, pretty darn new. Unfortunately I don't remember the exact date.

18:58 Speaker 3: That's my biggest pet fee.

19:00 Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm not I can't let you get it. I can't let you get into this. I can't let you get into it yet.

19:07 Speaker 3: Go ahead.

19:09 Speaker 1: Have you ever now in your childhood there is there anything?

19:18 Speaker 3: Oh boy, is there is.

19:21 Speaker 1: There anything in your childhood that stands out now in hindsight looking back saying yes, maybe maybe everything wasn't as it seemed. Maybe it wasn't so cut and dry. Maybe maybe more there was more than meets the eye to what to the trajectory of my life?

19:44 Speaker 3: Why are you reading my brain for?

19:46 Speaker 1: Well? I tend to be able to do things like that.

19:50 Speaker 3: I tell people about this stuff because then they get woo woo and they don't want to believe you.

19:54 Speaker 1: That's okay.

19:55 Speaker 4: But I've always said frequency and consciousness is like controlling everything. And I've always had like a strong spiritual connection. I've always had like weird ghost things that I don't want to acknowledge that like just happened, Like listening to women's whisper to my kids on the baby monitor and like sue them to sleep and hear my kids giggle. It's like I can't ignore that if it's like at least once a week, you know what I mean.

20:21 Speaker 3: And then ghost ghostly that's a long time ago.

20:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like I've always had like guardian angels, you know, Like my my literal godmother died like when I was young, like twelve or something, and I don't know, I just always had like a really strong spiritual connection with her. And if you understood my family. We had family reunions every year. We have this everybody from everywhere comes there and we have this massive like six palette high bondfire. We got the pools, we got like so like once you start to learn, and it's gonna sound crazy, but like bmbfires is like in ceremonies and we're all playing music, good vibes.

20:57 Speaker 4: It's like a beacon a phone focusing like energy and spiritualness and like just you know one with like literally we're all just there's never a fight.

21:07 Speaker 3: It was always one hundred percent good vibes.

21:10 Speaker 4: We're all like lower airing intuition with like beer and stuff to like, yeah, we're just last like Rolling Stones music and you know, playing volleyball and every sorts of good stuff.

21:23 Speaker 1: But no, you're not. You put You actually pointed this out in a conversation we had where it's almost like we forget, we forget that that communal experience that has been something that our ancestors and their ancestors. And they're like, there's a long This is why churches are pointy, right, this is why the cathedrals it seems like it's encapsulating.

21:49 Speaker 3: By your hands are in a praying.

21:53 Speaker 1: Right, because it's you're maybe.

21:55 Speaker 3: Up into an antenna to kind of radiate out to whatever you're.

22:00 Speaker 1: Kyle Bingo, So, did you ever think that your past led you to working on the exact type of stuff I don't want to that would allow you to ascertain more to what might have happened when you you know this gift that you may possess, or that we might all possess. Probably all possessed. But it's stronger, definitely stronger in some people. I think even guys like doctor Gary Nolan speculated that.

22:39 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I didn't tell you about this. That's creepy, dude. I don't even want to tell you because it's creepy. But whatever, I don't care. It's the truth.

22:48 Speaker 4: And I only ever had one weird experience like like this kind of weird experience I've had like spiritual stuff for a long time that I can verify it through other people.

22:57 Speaker 3: Like anyway, I'm just tell you.

23:00 Speaker 4: I was like twelve ish and I was just chilling on my bed and I was going to get up because I had to go pee. And as I was going to get up, there was a man sitting at the end of my bed that just came out of nowhere, but there was no fear of whatsoever. It was immediately like, what did you hike you doing here? And he was like talking to me, but I don't remember his mouth moving, and he was like saying stuff to me me and I was completely calm, completely like okay with it. But I was just like, hang on, dude, I have to go pee, like I remember saying that or maybe staying with my mind.

23:34 Speaker 3: And then I literally.

23:35 Speaker 4: Walked out of my room and walked to this short hallway and then we started to go pee in the bathroom. And about halfway through my piss, like the days, you know, how you have like a really vivid dream, sometimes you wake up and your brain just like hurts, and it's like, yeah, that started to like fade away, and mid pee, I'm like I was just fucking talking to somebody in my room that's not there.

23:55 Speaker 3: I was like, what the hell?

23:57 Speaker 4: So I tried to rush my piss as fast as possible, which you know you can't really do. You're like I had to, Like I ran downstairs and my parents were in the kitchen, and I told him.

24:07 Speaker 3: That I was like, I just talked to somebody upstairs, and I remem.

24:09 Speaker 4: Him and like they were like, what the hell are you talking about again? I was just dismissed. But then I this is the messed up part. So he was there was no like crazy features. It wasn't like he had like a top hat or anything. It was the grossest there's no way to say it without he looked like me.

24:27 Speaker 3: I think it was me.

24:30 Speaker 4: He had no hair, but he wasn't bald, and he had a prominent mustache, but it wasn't like impressive.

24:35 Speaker 3: That is what I remember.

24:36 Speaker 4: I don't remember glasses, but it was like my height, no threat whatsoever.

24:43 Speaker 3: And then he just wasn't there when I came back, and I.

24:46 Speaker 4: Was like, but I like I started to talk to AI about this, and it was like, if time is relevant, you could in the sense project yourself out and resonate so much that you resonate with your own frequency that you could you wouldn't be able to talk, but you could like sink your brains together and like kind of do that shit that it was explaining explains it way better than I could. But I was like, wait, don't tell me that shit. That's creepy.

25:11 Speaker 3: And I never told anybody about that because I was like, I'm pretty sure. So that was Oh, I'm sorry, I need to back up.

25:17 Speaker 4: The one thing I always said was I think it was an Italian guy, and I didn't know I was Italian.

25:23 Speaker 3: So this is spoiler alert for my family that doesn't know this. Oh god, Dad, my last name is Nap.

25:31 Speaker 4: My dad found out I think when I was thirty one's I'm thirty nine now that he was.

25:39 Speaker 3: An affair baby and my.

25:42 Speaker 4: Grandfather is actually from Italy and my last name should have been Dipiola.

25:47 Speaker 1: Oh wow.

25:49 Speaker 3: And he was like a.

25:50 Speaker 4: World War two like veteran that tour and it was like a band musician, and my grandma apparently saved a photo of him, and he's like the one of like six seven kids that happens to be the affair they found out through twenty three and me.

26:07 Speaker 3: So yeah, so I was like, wait, I'm Italian and not German at all.

26:14 Speaker 4: So the whole like me feeling like I saw an Italian guy before knowing I was Italian.

26:19 Speaker 1: Like kind of, that's so weird.

26:22 Speaker 3: It was like a premonition almost in the weird way.

26:24 Speaker 4: So when I found out I was Italian, I was like, why does that make sense?

26:29 Speaker 1: It almost validates it to a degree.

26:33 Speaker 3: So that was the thing. And I tried not to talk.

26:35 Speaker 1: How could I by that right? And you said, you said you weren't speaking.

26:40 Speaker 3: I've never seen anybody like a person like that again or anything like.

26:43 Speaker 4: That, you know, kind of.

26:46 Speaker 1: You said you felt comfortable in the presence of this.

26:49 Speaker 4: Completely comfortable, like being in the not say, the presence of God, but just like your whole body is warm, like oh, there's no scare, no fear. I just like you almost don't want to leave it, like you can must feel the bubble of warmth, like just like a resonance.

27:03 Speaker 3: I don't know how to.

27:04 Speaker 4: Else, just say it, like, but I could feel like when you have those vivid dreams, that's what it felt like, like the brain was wearing off.

27:13 Speaker 1: What if you did talk to yourself.

27:15 Speaker 3: That's what I'm like.

27:16 Speaker 4: So maybe it was when I saw this UFO, it wasn't so overwhelming because I've already had one weird ass experience.

27:24 Speaker 1: I would I would, I would probably, I'd probably wager that you've had more I've had experiences than you. But then but but I'm saying you've probably had more experiences than you even know.

27:35 Speaker 4: About My father always has a dream after every single person in the family dies, like the night after like so like then they'll come to him and be like pass over, like you know, tell me we're okay kind of stuff. So like I really that kind of stuff. Like my dad, like I said, is a former NSA Air Force dude, he's literally postmaster for a long time. Like one of the most credible people in the world. You wouldn't just make something up. He doesn't like talking about it, obviously, because you know how it looks to people who but people who have these experiences, they're like, absolutely, I understand exactly what you're talking about.

28:08 Speaker 4: One of the craziest stories I'll tell you a little bit about him, but he was driving and one of his best friends who died he appeared right next to him, and he was like, his name was Buddy.

28:17 Speaker 3: He's like, Buddy, what the hell are you doing here? You shouldn't be alive, you're dead, blah blah blah blah. And I don't know if he was talking back to him. I'm sure you'd have to hear a story from him better.

28:25 Speaker 4: But long story short is he swerved off because he was talking to this guy into the left lane and thank god he did because there was a semi already coming and the wrong side of the lane on the thing, so he accidentally averted killing himself by talking to this ghost. And then right after that he served back and the guy was gone. And I was like, Dad, do you realize he saved your life? And he was like kind of hit him and he was like at teary eyed, and he was like, oh, you should have never thought about it like that.

28:54 Speaker 3: I was like, how did you never think about that?

28:58 Speaker 3: His name was Buddy and he saved his life.

29:00 Speaker 4: I was like, come on now, I've always had like this experiences like this, like I got one by my cousin too.

29:07 Speaker 1: And your dad is in Your dad was an NSA.

29:11 Speaker 4: Well it was air Force, so he did that Locky air not Locky did the SR seventy one stuff, which Locky Martin makes. And part of that he had an NSA cup. And I was like, Dad, how the fuck were you in the NSA? Sorry for sorry, and uh fuck telling me that part of that you work for the NSA, you know, like multi division, like you.

29:30 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, well well yeah, because they.

29:33 Speaker 3: Worked for so Calm, So like if I had a so com cup you'd.

29:35 Speaker 1: Be like, what the Yeah, well, I mean they you guys always you get put out on loan or two right.

29:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, I all I know as he was in Japan, could be in.

29:44 Speaker 1: The Air Force and go do a mission, you know, go do a job with the NSA.

29:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're whoever's the local thing.

29:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that makes total sense. So but your dad, your dad was in these programs as well. These had a clearance.

30:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely you have to. I think you had top secret because.

30:04 Speaker 1: Moral one, the moral of what I'm trying to say here is everybody in the the UFO world, they're begging, begging for someone from inside one of these aerospace companies from wherever to come out like we we want so desperately these whistle quote unquote whistleblowers. But it's almost like it's almost awakening to me to realize that people in Lockheed, people in the Space Force, people in the Air Force, they are having these experiences just all the same as civilians, and it's just they're in a situation where they don't feel that they can report it to anyone without losing what they've gained or built.

31:08 Speaker 3: You're gonna lose your entire pension you're gonna lose your credibility.

31:10 Speaker 4: You're gonna and all of us are busy just working, so we don't have a social media. So like if we tried to even say anything, the top dog people are gonna see it and squash it and fire us before you could ever even say, hey, what's this about?

31:26 Speaker 1: Right, So this creates that silo, this compartmentalization of information, even to the degree of not just like top secret secret, like that kind of compartmentalization, but compartmentalization of like even what someone will say to their superiors in terms of something they just observed on base that like if you saw a Russian MiG, you'd fucking report it, right, Yeah, you'd report it. But you see a UFO and you're like, I can't say shit.

32:02 Speaker 3: I feared who was gonna hurt me?

32:04 Speaker 1: That's pretty Yes, that is a terrible, terrible policy. So tell me about your cousin, so your dad I would love. Oh my god, that's a crazy fucking story.

32:15 Speaker 4: So my cousin she got like a new house or a new rental, and I guess, long story short, there was two people breaking in through her basement and they were coming up through the basement and they saw an old woman at the top of the stairs and it scared him away and they ran back out, and then the police caught them, and the police asked him why they didn't go into the house and like ransack it, and they said the old woman on top of the scare stars scared the shit out of them. And then they came and asked my cousin, Hey, who's the old lady in the house, and they're like, there's no old lady in the house.

32:49 Speaker 3: It's just me and my husband.

32:51 Speaker 4: And then they realized that I think there was like an old lady that died in the house, and literally essentially they I talked to AI again and it was like it projected itself out to in the most you know, non threatening way at the same time.

33:02 Speaker 3: But like scared. I don't know, you know, use your imagination. It scared the people away.

33:06 Speaker 4: It worked, So I was like, yikes, I just I've always had like this isn't my story, but it's somebody family related. Like another one was my same cousin on that family. He weirdly texts everybody like everybody'd be safe. I just feel like something's wrong today. And they went to the State fair and like that year at the State Fair there were like two people that died from like a tornado, and.

33:26 Speaker 3: The tornadoes don't happen in New York, you know what I mean.

33:29 Speaker 4: So it was like we've always had this weird premonition spiritual connection. So I'm like, I don't talk about it, but like anybody that's exposed to it very much knows about it.

33:40 Speaker 3: They know it's real that like you have syncrenosities, is what it is.

33:45 Speaker 4: Once you start to appreciate the world and harmonize the world, you'll start to get messages back.

33:50 Speaker 3: Essentially.

33:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I could not agree more. Okay, so I want you. I want you to bring me back to Herbert Field. We did this already the other night, but this is the one that counts, right. I want to be able to close my eyes, oh boy, And I want to be able to be right next to you in the car. No detail too small. Who are you working for at the time? Start there, Walk me through exactly from you getting up for work to the moment of it happens.

34:42 Speaker 3: All right, Well, I said before.

34:45 Speaker 4: The first thing I remember walking out my door, it was just like one of those pitch black nights, like super dark, Like I literally I was like, holy shit, is really dark out. And I was running late because I'm a dirt bag, and I'm like, I need to hurry up. So I finally got I think I was living in Navarre, Florida, and I was going to Herbert Field. So I worked for Lockheed Martin at that simulator technician place that I was talking about. So it literally is right next to where I used to work. So I worked at the fifteenth AMU, which is aircraft maintenance unit, and right around that bend of the flight line, Like literally, if you look at the thing, there's a flight line coming down here.

35:24 Speaker 4: And I saw the UFO right here, and where I work is literally like right up here. So I worked right here for the longest time never saw anything. So when I saw it right here, I'm like, was this intentional? So I'm coming around this part of the road and I see three plasma. I hate saying plasma because, like I have to tell you why. It looked like three burnt out orangish, like a hint of purple lights, but not really like projecting light. It was just a dim afterglow. That's why I say burnt out street lights.

35:59 Speaker 1: Hold on it was.

36:00 Speaker 4: A discharge, and I could explain it all, but I'm gonna give you my first interpretation of what I saw, you know what I mean?

36:07 Speaker 1: And Wow, what alerted you to that this thing was there?

36:11 Speaker 3: Good point?

36:12 Speaker 4: Good point? Yeah, I almost missed that. I was driving and I was already one minute late. That's why I know exactly. It was at twelve oh one, and I just literally was coming around so like I said, that bend of that spot and I had it felt like somebody flicked right there, and it like but inside my head outward and I was like, what the fuck is that? So I looked up and that's when I saw that triangle in each corner, not touching the corner, but close to the corner was an orangish plasma discharge glow and the triangle itself was darker than the night sky.

36:52 Speaker 4: That's how I knew there was something there because you could see like the glow was inside each corner but not touch the car. So like the tip was facing the flight line, so like the curve, Like I said, this tip was you know that way, And I was like, why would it sit here? This is such a stupid spot, Like any plane coming and going is going to hit it, like cars going in and out are going to see it. I don't know if it just thought its visibility was greater than what it was. But I drove directly underneath it, which is why I'm thinking maybe I could see it better.

37:26 Speaker 4: So I never lost sight of those three plasma glows the entire time.

37:29 Speaker 3: So it was literally super super super.

37:33 Speaker 5: Slowly just turning like but it never moved left, right, up or down.

37:39 Speaker 4: It was just turning its tip. That's what creeped me the f out. So before that, I was like, Kyle, put your windows down. I said that out loud to myself, and I literally put my window down. I heard no bugs. So like right next to me on that bend of the road on the right side, there's woods and there's usually like birds and crickets and stuff that are chirping, and there was nothing. I don't know if it was just because the night was one of those extra creepy dark nights. Like I said, I don't know if the military knew it was going to be one of those nights and they purposely waited to do it.

38:09 Speaker 3: But it seemed like the UFO was.

38:12 Speaker 4: Sound dampening because all I could hear was the gravel crunching from my tires, and that's what gave me the chills. So I'm watching it the whole time, and it's slowly turning, and I could see that it was a perfect equilateral triangle. I couldn't see up above it at all. I couldn't see any antennas, there was no thrusters, no like discharge, just those the glow and then like darkness of night's sky. It did seem like it was trying to project the stars through it, which I explained in some of my tech but videos.

38:45 Speaker 4: But yeah, it looked like it was trying to but since I was directly underneath it, maybe it didn't get it right, which is why.

38:53 Speaker 3: I could see it.

38:54 Speaker 4: So then I was going around that bend and I never lost sight of those glows, like I said, And then I was straightened out just to make sure I was gonna crash, and looked forward and I looked back and it was instantly gone. There's no streak, no sound or nothing, And I was like.

39:10 Speaker 3: What the fuck did I just see?

39:12 Speaker 4: And I was literally like six seconds away from work at this point, Like, so I'm very much on base, literally about to pull into my work and I'm already one minute late. And like I said before, I was I think I was like twenty seven, and everybody I'm working with is like fifty sixty years old.

39:27 Speaker 3: I'm already late, Like they're not gonna want to hear then.

39:30 Speaker 4: I just saw it by the fucking sky, So I didn't know what to do. I like I remember, I sent it like a cryptic email to myself and my lockeyed Martin email, just like a timestamp or something like that. Of course, I don't have access to that email anymore. Once you don't work for them, you lose it immediately, and I'm like, I wish I would have wrote it down somewhere.

39:50 Speaker 1: Yeah.

39:50 Speaker 4: The only thing I do remember, and I hate bringing it up, is because it was like a tragic event. But like I remember, the Las Vegas shooting happened sometime around then, so I think that was like October because I was in my supervisor's office a lot, and I had to be like, you know, more trusted back then to be there, so I can like I can scale it out like.

40:10 Speaker 3: That way wise. Yeah, yeah, I don't know the exact date, but I did and eventually end up reporting this all day.

40:18 Speaker 1: Aero right, and and we'll definitely get there. When you when you have this what you describe as like a flick coming from inside your head, I forgot to tell you you're right right when when when you do then you see the craft. Is there any emotional reaction? Is there any because like, for instance, you talked about the gentleman at the bed, whether it was you or not, you had this this wash of like no fear, nothing any did anything like that when you made contact eye contact or after the the flick in the brain to look up like is there anything that you can remember?

41:13 Speaker 3: So I forgot to.

41:14 Speaker 4: Tell you because I mentioned to you yesterday. It felt like you know how you're in your kid. You take a balloon and you rub it on your head, you get that static discharge.

41:23 Speaker 3: Yes, slowly pull it away.

41:25 Speaker 4: You can kind of feel literally the electrical zapp especially I don't know if people are familiar with, like with short hair, but you can really feel like that's what it felt like, like concentrated like that. That's why it felt like a flick, but like a flick and then a drag of a balloon. So it literally felt like my brain was either telling me to look up or something in my brain was like projecting out to that.

41:47 Speaker 3: I don't know that sensation was from the inside out. That's why I was like, what the fuck was that?

41:53 Speaker 1: Did you have any fear?

41:55 Speaker 3: Yes? That was That was the other part I was gonna say, though.

41:57 Speaker 4: So when I saw it, I immediately was thinking I should be seeing this.

42:01 Speaker 3: I shouldn't be seeing whatever this is.

42:02 Speaker 4: That's why I didn't pull over. I just kept maintaining the exact same speed. And I was just doing that the entire time because I was like, whatever I'm seeing, I don't think I'm supposed to be seeing. And if they wanted me to see it, they'll let me know, kind of thing like, I don't know. I just felt like I'm gonna get killed if I say anything like so I just maintained my speed and kept watching it. But now I always tell myself, like, if I ever see it again, I'm gonna stop and.

42:28 Speaker 3: Shoot a gun at it or something.

42:30 Speaker 2: You know.

42:30 Speaker 1: I don't a gun at it, my god, Well.

42:35 Speaker 3: It's electrical, magnetic.

42:38 Speaker 1: Understandable discharging your weapon on it, and that's.

42:41 Speaker 3: Somebody will show up, and then I'll get questioned and then answers right.

42:45 Speaker 1: Probably not yeah, unless you end up at Guantanmo. But

42:53 Speaker 1: what a lot of people claim that there is a craft in our arsenal that you know from guys like you know, speaking of Lockeed ben Rich famously you know, made the comment that we have the technology to take E T home. Other people like Tom DeLong, who I know you have a history with, which is a really fascinating which we'll i'll also get into, they've speculated about this craft called t R three B, the Astra or dark Star or whatever you want to call it. Given your background in aviation, in secret, in in that that world, would you call this that craft whatever it is, t R three B, whatever was it that that's been depicted by several other many other people.

44:03 Speaker 1: And do you think it was human or do you think it was not human?

44:08 Speaker 3: So that night I ended up looking it all up.

44:13 Speaker 4: I didn't when I was if I would have like made it up in my brain, I would have made a saucer, like I know for a fact, because I didn't know that triangle UFOs was a thing, Like I know that sounds probably unbelievable, but like I didn't, I don't follow. I don't I like the tech and the idea of UFOs. But I just I don't follow all that kind of stuff like on purpose, like unless I know for a fact, you know, so like I didn't know that like triangles was really a thing, but I started to look it up and I kept finding like t R three B. I'm like, what the hell's the t R three B?

44:45 Speaker 4: And then I'm like, why is that exactly what the hell I saw? Except for the center thing that some people put in there. I was like, I didn't see any center thing. I was like, maybe that center thing turns on when it goes away.

44:58 Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it's just a discharge. Now it seems like it's more like a discharge or a tractor beam or something. But I never saw the center thing. But sorry, well, what's your question?

45:09 Speaker 4: I have a code in my hand, and I'm just like, can I just show you it? But I need to give so much backstory before that.

45:15 Speaker 1: Do you think that this was human made or I mean that could include reverse engineering of course, But do you think it was human or non human.

45:27 Speaker 3: At the time or now?

45:29 Speaker 1: Both? What do you think? What do you think then? Verse? Now?

45:34 Speaker 4: I thought it was probably human made and I shouldn't be seeing what I was seeing. That's why I didn't stop, because I was like, this is some secret squirrel crap that I definitely shouldn't be witnessing.

45:43 Speaker 1: Right now, Okay. And the flight line wasn't lit up, was it not?

45:49 Speaker 3: Anymore than it normally is.

45:51 Speaker 1: So it wasn't like they were doing some dark project, No, not that I know of. Okay. What do you think now.

46:02 Speaker 4: Based off of the government's reactions and how everything plays out, I've been almost guarantee it's.

46:07 Speaker 1: Ours, okay. And do you think that we've got it from.

46:13 Speaker 4: From reverse engineering other things in the past, or there's a lot of possibilities, But it does seem like it. I mean, like I said, I'm very much spiritual, So pretending like the spiritual part doesn't exist to be stupid of me, Yeah, I can't say it's not UFOs, you know what I mean.

46:31 Speaker 3: I think originally we got something.

46:34 Speaker 1: To you, it was a UFO though, And you are very familiar with aviation and what flies and what doesn't and what.

46:42 Speaker 4: Should be on that base, like I said, for because I was there for nine years.

46:46 Speaker 1: Right so to you, this is a unidentified flying object and.

46:51 Speaker 3: It made sense why it would be there. The way it was.

46:55 Speaker 4: It's felt like I originally felt like it was an intentional like awakening for me. I was like, why am I seeing this here? This should not exist. There's no probable reason why this should be here? How is so many people not seeing this? How am I the only person? That's why I didn't want to report. I was like, either this has to be the governments and I'm going to get myself notified and whacked, or this was for me and I should just shut up and not let anybody know anyway, Like right, So I was like I don't.

47:22 Speaker 4: I was very I told my wife about it, but like, what is she going to do about it?

47:26 Speaker 1: Like? Right? Right?

47:28 Speaker 3: Did you now my family believes me? Like they have no reason. I KNOW'M not a person that just makes stuff up, you know.

47:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you don't come across as that type of person either, if I'm being quite quite honest. What did you ever report this to your superior I mean, I know we've kind of hinted at it, but did you ever report this up the chain?

47:54 Speaker 3: Not when I at lockeed Martin.

47:55 Speaker 1: Hell no, not at locked Martin. Did you so when I already.

47:59 Speaker 3: Even know who my supervisors were? That place was.

48:02 Speaker 4: I worked for like three different places of nacky Martin. Every place was drastically different than the last.

48:08 Speaker 3: Is everything. I'm like, what the heck.

48:11 Speaker 1: Is it true what they say about lockey that that.

48:15 Speaker 4: It's like what I probably shouldn't say it. It depends where you go. Like I said, I had three different experiences. Some places they treat you like your replaceable because you are. Other places you're treated like an expert. I had every single person in my simulator place and place walk up to me shake my hand, and I was like, holy crap, I've never had this in my entire time in the military.

48:38 Speaker 3: Like that was mind blowing to me.

48:40 Speaker 4: And then I went to work on the flight line stuff and there was like, you guys are trained professionals, but your slam ir replaceable. So we'd be like, surprise, you're gonna work twelve hour shifts today. And then if you go and like help out other places, you are definitely replaceable. And I would never want to do that because that would be so depressing. So it depends if you go to specific little niche spots you could hate life or like I said, like I have literally like three different time cards for like three different jobs that or like the market, like, why would you not have one time card?

49:13 Speaker 1: It's a very interesting point.

49:16 Speaker 3: It was like different systems and everything. I was like, this is crazy.

49:22 Speaker 1: Did you ever try to like and I know this is going to sound I don't even know maybe even if you did, you should probably I don't even know if you should answer this, But did you ever try to investigate what you saw through your access?

49:42 Speaker 3: Did I tell you about this?

49:43 Speaker 1: No?

49:44 Speaker 3: Really?

49:46 Speaker 1: So I am good at what I do.

49:49 Speaker 4: I have my Space Force email and I've been using it. I looked up who has the patents for this thing that I saw in shock? Are you fine, doctor Salvator?

50:04 Speaker 3: Piez?

50:05 Speaker 1: Yes?

50:06 Speaker 3: And I was like, hmm, let me.

50:08 Speaker 4: See type his name into the Air Force email that I was just telling you about, which is you know, military email, and it pops up maybe Piez Salvator. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? I could email this guy right now. So I emailed him my story of exactly what I saw, and he said, brother, that's not weird at all, like crazy times were in and then without me asking sent me without patents for the UFO. He sent me like three of his patents and then I started to tell him like more about what I was really thinking, and so I was like, fuck it, let's go.

50:46 Speaker 3: I started talking to him, email him for a while.

50:48 Speaker 4: Eventually I started getting so on the nose with like the videos I was making.

50:53 Speaker 3: I looked it up.

50:54 Speaker 4: The patent was actually denied originally because it was not believed to be real, and they had to go and get the director of the Navy at the time, it was James Speeley or Spearley or something like that, and he had to like personally and be like, no, this is operable. So they already confirmed that the Tier three B patent works. Like the Navy actually went out of their way to say to the Patent office that this is real.

51:19 Speaker 3: And I made a video like explaining this and sent it to Sal.

51:23 Speaker 4: And then he was like, we can no longer talk about anything that's not in the public eye.

51:30 Speaker 3: Based off of it was like the United US and Command.

51:34 Speaker 4: So the United States Navy Command told him that we're not allowed to talk about stuff that's not in the public eye.

51:40 Speaker 3: And I'm like, why would they even know that you're talking to me? Sal?

51:45 Speaker 1: What?

51:47 Speaker 4: At that point I kind of stopped talking to them, but at the same time, I was emailing doctor hal Putov, and I'm sending him all my crazy fringe theories of like, hey, this work radar that I work at, I think is kind of like theramids.

52:01 Speaker 3: Let me explain to you how it works.

52:04 Speaker 1: Not to divert too much.

52:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, don't. That's a whole other thing.

52:07 Speaker 4: But I'm having all these conversations with doctors that I shouldn't be.

52:12 Speaker 3: I feel like they're getting back to me quickly.

52:15 Speaker 1: You start reaching out to I mean, both of those names. Are both of those names anyone in the UFO field were their salt knows both of those names.

52:26 Speaker 4: Spoth of They never met each other either, Yeah, supposed I asked. I literally asked them both in an email, and doctor hal Puto said, no, I've never met sal interesting and I was like, how the fuck have you never met each other?

52:38 Speaker 3: That's crazy.

52:39 Speaker 1: Yeah. I I'm not sure if I'm believing that one. But okay, okay, so you did you did a little bit of investigation into what you saw.

52:55 Speaker 4: I started messaging all sorts of people for very many many months, my messages doctor Gary at because he was supposedly asking about all sorts of you know, you can go into that I don't know, so I don't.

53:05 Speaker 3: Want to take you over.

53:06 Speaker 4: But he was asking for people that have r F experience or pilots aka r F experience, or have seen something, and I'm like, guy, I work at the radar station. I'm like, the most RF exposed I've seen something. Could you please stop ignoring me. I still work for the military. Like, I emailed his whole team and I've never gotten a single response back by any of them.

53:29 Speaker 3: I'm like, this is sad. I guess they already know what they need to know, so I'm useless to then.

53:36 Speaker 1: Ah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't go that far.

53:40 Speaker 3: Seems like everybody likes six steps ahead of the truth of what they're telling everybody.

53:46 Speaker 1: That's the point where I'll agree with you. I will agree with you there because I think half of these guys, like the hell put Offs, the the Gary Nolans, the the yes the Elesondo's, I think that they they are double dipping. Essentially, they are pretend, not pretending. I'm sure they do want disclosure of some sort, but their their their allegiance is to the United States government period, because that's who pays them, that's who's given them everything their allegiance. I mean, how you could argue his allegiance might be Scientology.

54:33 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I have heard those rumors. Yeah, it's not a rumor to the top.

54:42 Speaker 4: Of that thing, like, oh, that's not something that you can just ignore. That's like you had a commitment.

54:47 Speaker 1: Ingo Swan was literally a double agent for Scientology. His allegiance was not to the US government, it was to Scientology. And this is one of the most prominent, if not the most prominent remote viewer of the SRI program. The whole thing built around this guy, and he's double agent. He's reporting back, of course to the US government, but he's also reporting back to Scientology. So I mean, yeah, that's a whole nother it is. It is a can of worms. But then you start looking at the theology of Scientology and you start asking real questions.

55:34 Speaker 1: There's something I think. There are a bunch of lunatics, but there's something. I think.

55:40 Speaker 3: It's spiritual and.

55:42 Speaker 1: Much more spiritual, much more spiritual.

55:45 Speaker 3: I'm not protocol.

55:48 Speaker 4: I didn't realize scapegoat was a real thing, and I was like, wait, what, it's not just the term we are putting your evil intentions and tied something and purposely killing it to get rid of your sins.

55:59 Speaker 3: That's crazy.

56:01 Speaker 4: And then you really realize that celebrities are openly bragging about.

56:05 Speaker 3: Doing this with like chickens and stuff, and you're like, wait, what are we talking about?

56:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're literally escaping karma by putting your bad stuff into something innocent and killing it. And then you start to look in to Epstein's stuff and child stuff and you're like, hmmm.

56:24 Speaker 1: Well look what they did with What did Jesus do? And I hate to bring this to religion, but where did Jesus cast the demons into.

56:38 Speaker 3: Hell? I guess right? I was like, this is a true question. The pigs, Oh boy, I don't know that one.

56:46 Speaker 1: You don't know this, No, so g I think it was Jesus. Maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong. I don't have my producer with me, Jamie, look at I'm just kidding. I don't have a Jamie right now, Jamie, it up, pull that ship up. No, but there's a story I can't Oh god, it's gonna But they cast the demons into the pigs two to subvert the evil and that then we look at things like the menu steric coats right,

57:25 Speaker 1: there is a I mean that's that that is that that is a very side tangent. But okay, so you see the craft, You've always had this like innate ability, the spiritual tap in if you will. Did anything change for you after the UFO sighting? Did anything ratchet up? Did anything?

57:52 Speaker 3: Did curiosity?

57:53 Speaker 4: I like just my curiosity really And then the way that like everybody kept answering was like, I know that's not true.

58:00 Speaker 3: So I was like, I need to find the answers.

58:02 Speaker 4: Like there's no way how to say it, but like I'm really autistic basically, and I need to find the answers. Like that's my job. Like I was, you know, Calm nav So and I worked there for nine years. So I just saw something that blew my mind. I need answers, like and then I started to find them. And it's just like you start to find literally the breadcrumbs and you start to put them all together and you're like, oh, this is making something that I can actually like track. And then you asked somebody about it and they're like pretending like it doesn't exist, and you're like, but I have the entire red loaf right here.

58:36 Speaker 4: I can tell you probably where the factory that made it, is that you want that?

58:42 Speaker 1: Have you heard the comment from Gary Nolan that he said that, like you'd be surprised at where these things are held.

58:49 Speaker 3: Well, you mean deep underground or in the water?

58:52 Speaker 1: No, like right in plain sight too, Yeah, right in plain site under very minimal security, you know. Anyway, anyway, Yeah, so when does Arrow? When do you get involved with briefing Arrow? On your on your case, I don't know the exact day.

59:20 Speaker 3: I think it was a couple of years later, Like I have to look it up.

59:22 Speaker 4: But I waited a few years because I wasn't really wanting to get notified noticed for it, to be honest. But then I kept seeing more and more UFO documentaries come out and people show the t R three B and I was like, Hey, what the fuck this is really a thing, Like this is creepy. And then I watch people be like, well, we don't really have any eyewitnesses or any military people, or I'm like that's not true.

59:47 Speaker 3: So I'm like, well, and not only.

59:50 Speaker 1: Are you military, but you're also the exact type of military that we need. A trained observer who also worked with a Space Force and Lockheed Martin. Why why do you think that no one wants to give you the time of day.

1:00:11 Speaker 3: I'd like to tell myself that they're busy and I'm a nobody.

1:00:16 Speaker 1: Stop saying that.

1:00:19 Speaker 4: But why. That's why I was like I had to start speaking up because I was watching these people come on the news and they'd have no experience in electronics, they have no experience in like the tech, they have no military background. They're literally like experts of something completely unrelated and they're talking about it like they know facts. And I'm like, this is crazy. Yeah, I need to actually say something to somebody. So that's the AI, the military AI. They announced it, and that's when I was like, well, let me tell my story to the AI.

1:00:46 Speaker 4: And I told my story of the AI that the military has, and it was like, Kyle, if this is true, you should tell everybody, tell all the senators.

1:00:54 Speaker 3: So I made a video based I made a script.

1:00:57 Speaker 4: With the AI, and that's when I made my little video and tried to say it out to like every senator, tried to like tag them, message them, email them.

1:01:04 Speaker 3: I think I even did.

1:01:05 Speaker 4: Some like there's Federal agency help things like you can click on a specific thing on the websites that say like I'm a federal agent asking for help because I am technically and like it's supposed to, you know, notify these people. I did this like a year ago, like six months ago at least, and I had never gotten a single message from anybody ever. And it is mind blowing to me because I'll tag people and stuff all the time, like Matt Gates, like back when he used to be my representative, he was actually my actual rep and I can't get him to look at anything.

1:01:35 Speaker 4: He keeps being like UFO this, UFO that, And I'm like, dude, I literally live in your fucking district and I've been tagging you in things. I'm like, your only comment in your stuff? Why are you still ignoring me? Like there's no way you haven't seen.

1:01:48 Speaker 1: Me, and you were at Eglin when he came.

1:01:52 Speaker 4: He literally came to my work, came into my secure area of where I work at my radar facility, did a little tour and like thank you for your service, didn't acknowledge the civilians that work there, and then dipped out.

1:02:03 Speaker 5: But I'm like, guy, could you please just stop ignoring me? And then one person from Florida also like you are asking for people from Florida.

1:02:18 Speaker 3: Could you maybe check your inbox?

1:02:21 Speaker 1: Check your inbox? I love it, Uh, Luna, do me a favor look into this please. One person did one person did connect with you, and that gentleman was named Lou Elizondo.

1:02:44 Speaker 3: Oh boy, yeah, Can you.

1:02:46 Speaker 1: Tell me and walk me through how this relationship started and where it went. You don't have to get too deep, but you want. Yeah, just tell me. Tell me how How does Lou come into the picture of this?

1:03:04 Speaker 3: So this used to be in my old unit right here. It still is.

1:03:09 Speaker 4: They just changed the logo's I work at Eggland Site C six. It's the world's largest phase de ray radar in the world, so it doesn't have any moving parts. So it's moved by like subtle shifts of frequency and amplitude, like if you're dropping a little ripples.

1:03:25 Speaker 3: Of water and changing how it moves. That's how this works.

1:03:29 Speaker 4: It's literally this was supposed to be a point four Luella Zondo. I was going to give it to him and lots of other things. The shirt was actually his. That's why it's too big for me. It's extra large. So the fiftieth anniversary of my work was going to happen. This building was built in the sixties to detect nukes from Russia, and now it's made to track the twenty three thousand objects that orbit Earth at seventeen five hundred miles an hour, So like every ninety minutes the International Space Station goes so.

1:04:00 Speaker 3: We're like tasked with tracking all these objects.

1:04:03 Speaker 1: So all what so near Earth objects and the space station.

1:04:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, and a little bit farther out. So like all these are like satellite numbers and stuff.

1:04:12 Speaker 1: You could like, oh wow.

1:04:14 Speaker 4: So like I got like awards from the Space fours and like on the side.

1:04:20 Speaker 1: If he doesn't want them, I'll take them.

1:04:22 Speaker 3: There's like little numbers and stuff.

1:04:24 Speaker 4: But uh so I invited him out to the fiftieth anniversary and my commander was like, you can fight anybody out here, and I was like, bet so I fted it all to the stars out.

1:04:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's real quick. You to the stars was something that you saw form and you go, Okay, this might be my angle, this might be my avenue to being able to get this story out.

1:04:50 Speaker 4: I was like, I could finally have people I know I can contact now, Like I started looking all these people up and I was having my mind blown.

1:04:56 Speaker 3: So I was. That's why I started talking.

1:04:58 Speaker 1: To that, I mean, Steve Justice, Kip thorn Right.

1:05:03 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I know who help Putov is. And I started looking into him and I find.

1:05:06 Speaker 1: Him more and more and more made heaven for you. You're like, oh my god, look at this, It's perfect.

1:05:11 Speaker 4: I used to joke because I would message hal Putov on LinkedIn and I would say, watch, within less than two hours, he's going to message me back, and it would blow my mind because he would, and I'm like, why is he even messaging me? That's crazy. He has to have so much to do, Why the is he messaging me back? I was like, that's so humbling and flattering. But I was like, I don't I'm not. I'm not providing anything. I feel like, so that's weird. But so I invited to the stars out and there were I think four people that were going to come out, including like lou Hal, I think it was Steve Justice, and I can't remember the last one, maybe Chris Mellan.

1:05:47 Speaker 4: That's how I started messaging Chris mellon also, and he told me to talk to some other t R three B guy and that was about it.

1:05:54 Speaker 3: But I got sorry I'm jumping around.

1:05:57 Speaker 4: But so my commander was like, you can invite anybody, and then it switched to you can invite I think four people, so that's why I was writing these four and then it switched to you can invite one person per people, So now I had to find three more people that I work with to bring the people. I'm like, and you have to escort them the entire time so you can't lose sight of them. So I'm like, what celebrity wants to be constantly watched by nobody?

1:06:25 Speaker 3: And like, that's I didn't want to say.

1:06:27 Speaker 1: If they're not just celebrity, they're military. Most yeah, that's what.

1:06:32 Speaker 4: So they said they wanted to just be a fly on the wall and just observe it, because it was the whole point is everybody's invited, so like they're already having like more clearance than.

1:06:40 Speaker 3: They even need to be to come here.

1:06:42 Speaker 4: So so eventually my commander reached out to Public Affairs the PA, and the PA came back and was like, no, you can't have them here, and I was like, I'm not. I'm not going to invite one person that's weird and insulting to them.

1:06:58 Speaker 1: So hold on it invite. Basically, it went from, hey, we want everybody here.

1:07:05 Speaker 3: Everybody is supposed to come on room.

1:07:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, we want to celebrate the fact that anybody wants to come in, and.

1:07:13 Speaker 1: Then you go and then and then you go, Okay, here I got four guys, one escorting, kept changing one's Tom DeLong, one's uh Elizondo.

1:07:27 Speaker 4: They forced me to give them a bio so they could read who these people were. Like, what the fuck? You didn't do that for anybody else. I shouldn't even told him of celebrity. I should have just invited him as normal people. They would have said anything, but I wanted to be respectful, like because there's no way I can't bring Tom DeLong into the building and people aren't gonna be like, holy shit, is that Tom DeLong?

1:07:47 Speaker 1: Like yeah, right right ceremony.

1:07:49 Speaker 4: And it's not supposed to be about them. It's supposed to be about like the anniversary. So I'm like, I was trying to do the respectful thing because it was you know, that's what you're supposed to do.

1:07:58 Speaker 1: Well, you could you could have argue that that was the mentality was that we don't want to make it about we want this to be about that, but I still think that's them hiding under the cover of.

1:08:14 Speaker 3: They didn't want anything related to that.

1:08:18 Speaker 1: Exactly. And I think this is my opinion. I think that even though you didn't tell anyone on base, or maybe you did tell someone on base.

1:08:29 Speaker 3: I think like that they wouldn't have known.

1:08:31 Speaker 1: I think they knew you what you saw, which.

1:08:35 Speaker 4: Is leads us to what Lou Alisando sent me. When I couldn't invite them out. I canceled just for respect reasons because I didn't want to do that to them.

1:08:45 Speaker 3: Lou sent me a goodie bag, goodie package. I don't even know. It was just like out of nowhere.

1:08:49 Speaker 4: I'd have to show you the picture because I don't have all the items anymore, so like they can see it afterwards or whatever.

1:08:54 Speaker 3: But I have a handwritten letter.

1:08:56 Speaker 1: I'll put it in post.

1:08:57 Speaker 3: I don't want to read because I'm terrible, but I will.

1:09:01 Speaker 1: I will. Kyle, as always, thanks for all that you do for us in our country. You are our hero. Exclamation point. Please give your lovely family your cand is covering that lovely family a hug from us here at TTSA hope all as well. Until next time, Best Lou. Yeah so that's interesting, right, and uh, our our hero.

1:09:38 Speaker 3: That's why I was like, why the fuck did he put that? That's weird?

1:09:41 Speaker 4: And then I was like, maybe just because I'm tracking stuff in space, So I was like, that's interesting, weird wor weird choice of words.

1:09:49 Speaker 1: That is a weird choice.

1:09:50 Speaker 3: At this point, he was already like texting friends, even with my wife. That's why he said, you have a lovely family.

1:09:56 Speaker 1: Wow.

1:09:57 Speaker 3: So it's that's what involved were in this crap. I texted him for five years.

1:10:01 Speaker 1: Dude, it's safe to say that you and Alizondo were openly communicating, and you were openly like you looked up to him and to Categrate.

1:10:14 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:10:14 Speaker 4: I mean I thought I thought he was the mister disclosure. I thought he was actually giving a shit. I thought when I tell.

1:10:22 Speaker 3: Him something, he maybe it would actually care.

1:10:25 Speaker 4: And then one time I finally texted him my UFO story and he said, like the most cryptic don't worry about it.

1:10:33 Speaker 3: The next administration is going to take care of it.

1:10:36 Speaker 4: Like you didn't even ask me a single detail about what I saw or anything, like what a weird He said something like I have to show you the text, but it was like we have friends in the next administration, and like, what does friends mean? Is that alien friends? Is that like just the next administration?

1:10:53 Speaker 3: But hold on, I should probably go back and talk about this hold out.

1:10:57 Speaker 1: Real quick though. When he said that was it, the Biden was Biden in office and Trump was coming in next.

1:11:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, he said this administration aft up real bad and the next one.

1:11:12 Speaker 4: So that's why I was like, Okay, I was like, what is friends though? Because he acknowledged the next administration was going to fix it. You have to read the text. I don't want to like get my quote wrong because it's literally out there, like I can just read it. And yeah, he just was like super dismissive, but like, don't worry about it.

1:11:27 Speaker 3: It's going to be taken care of.

1:11:28 Speaker 4: So like very much playing some five D Like I'm one of the most trusted, trained observers. You've known me for five years and you don't care to ask me a single thing about what I saw. That means that's ours as far as I'm concerned, and you know it's ours, and you know, like use your imagination, like why aren't you asking me anything? You must already know what it is and you're doing something else, and that's why I've been calling Lou out for being a liar, because it's like and then when you.

1:11:56 Speaker 1: Said that he was part of a legacy UFO program.

1:12:00 Speaker 4: Absolutely, that was the first words out of his mouth when I talked to him on the phone was I'm a counterintelligence CIA agent. And he was bonding with me about all his prior military experience, and I was like, holy shit, that's pretty bad ass. So I was like, you're literally like a CIA agent and You're like yeah, And I was like, that's fucking crazy. I'm like, literally, I have his personal cell phone number, like calling him, like I could text him, Like I literally texted him for five years.

1:12:24 Speaker 3: My wife was texting. That's what the craziest part was. So people are like, you don't even know Lou.

1:12:27 Speaker 4: I'm like, I just stopped talking to Lou because I realized nothing was coming out of it. It's not like I couldn't call him right now. I'm sure that number still works.

1:12:35 Speaker 1: I know he hasn't changed it, so ah, it definitely still works. But yeah, you have a coin that that was part of that letter that again, let's preference this for the audience. They had no idea what you saw.

1:12:55 Speaker 2: In this end time.

1:12:56 Speaker 4: I don't think I digitally wrote it anywhere you communicates.

1:13:01 Speaker 1: But you never said, hey, guys, I had a UFO experience.

1:13:06 Speaker 3: Nope, not at all.

1:13:07 Speaker 1: You were just like, I'm a I'm a I'm a radar, I'm an r F expert. I work for Lockheed. I was in the Air Force by.

1:13:17 Speaker 4: The time I was Space Force, so I was so yeah, sorry, yeah, so I was celebrating the fiftieth anniversary.

1:13:24 Speaker 3: That was the whole point.

1:13:24 Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, that that that was That was my fault.

1:13:27 Speaker 3: I just left Lockheed Martin.

1:13:28 Speaker 1: So but you had worked, but nonetheless you have this impeccable resume. You were the friendship was built in that resume, not on the UFO sighting. Yeah, probably no, definitely right. Yeah. So then you get or.

1:13:46 Speaker 4: Email too, because he said, the commander said I can invite anybody. So I was like, well, let's send an email. I think that was to the stars. So I used the header and everything that they gave me to use.

1:13:59 Speaker 1: So so you get a little bag in the mail with that letter in it. Then there's something else in there that kind of takes you aback a bit, kind of.

1:14:09 Speaker 4: Blows my mind. You mean yeah, I'll start with the more subtle side. I don't know if I gotta zoom my camera in for.

1:14:15 Speaker 1: A second, and then yeah, I'll also show a picture because you sent me a picture. But right there, right there, right there. So we got Petruvian man with the NASA swash.

1:14:28 Speaker 3: And there's a white star for some reason at the top it talks about military.

1:14:34 Speaker 1: One white star interested. I never noticed that detail before.

1:14:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, the rest are blue interested, and then the words around the corner are like military.

1:14:50 Speaker 3: I can't read it because it's backwards on my screen.

1:14:53 Speaker 1: Hold on, are those stars in the background but they're made to look like crosses?

1:14:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, I see that too. I didn't really think about that. You're right, definitely little stars acrosses.

1:15:05 Speaker 1: Interesting.

1:15:07 Speaker 3: That's what I was saying to you yesterday.

1:15:09 Speaker 4: I'm like, that's you know, how much did it cost to like get these little details into a coin, like to change colors, to like change the minting stuff.

1:15:17 Speaker 1: And then secret machine on the top spelled with a K like tomm DeLong. Yeah, and Peter Lavenda.

1:15:25 Speaker 3: You ready for the other side yet?

1:15:27 Speaker 1: Yes, the other side is truly mind blog boggling. I fucking a man, What the fuck?

1:15:35 Speaker 3: Why did he send me the exact ufo that I saw.

1:15:38 Speaker 1: And the tree of life meet throw from the Norse mythology, and then the unity.

1:15:45 Speaker 4: And the JFK quote around the edge, and if you notice, there's also the line coming out of earth. So I'm like, so you're telling me that it's ours.

1:15:54 Speaker 1: And the pyramidic structure again because again triangular craft, right, but when you put them on a two D surface, they look like like the front of a piece.

1:16:06 Speaker 3: Literally what I saw because I was undernath. I just didn't see that center thing, right, being seeing an exact coin.

1:16:12 Speaker 4: Of what I saw from getting it from a loo and not telling the motherfucker you on mind blowing this.

1:16:17 Speaker 1: Is what contonent is that?

1:16:21 Speaker 3: That's what I was like, is it the water or is it land?

1:16:25 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think the Silver is Land and the blues water, But what continent is that? That's weird. That is a mind bog So all of a sudden, the tr three B or the triangular craft that you saw is on a coin that you get sent without having given them the information that you see.

1:16:47 Speaker 4: Elizondo like, what that's why I'm like, this should be news already by itself. That's like some five d type crap, what are you doing to me?

1:16:55 Speaker 2: Lou?

1:16:57 Speaker 3: Yeah?

1:16:58 Speaker 1: What do you make of that? My friend?

1:17:01 Speaker 3: I tried to look it up online.

1:17:02 Speaker 4: I couldn't find anybody else that has one, And I'm like, what is this? This is some secret society coin that I should be showing people or what?

1:17:10 Speaker 1: Well that the cat's out of the bag on that one. No, give me your your give me your visceral, give me your Yeah, I know, but you, I know you have some idea, you have you have some AI was.

1:17:26 Speaker 3: Joking and it was will not merely be joking, but it was like maybe this.

1:17:28 Speaker 1: Is, yeah, some type of talking about AI, like it's a fucking person. Please calling it he.

1:17:37 Speaker 3: I didn't say, he said it.

1:17:39 Speaker 1: No, you we can run the fucking tape back. You said.

1:17:44 Speaker 4: It was at She first of all, the named itself the one I was using, but uh, it was.

1:17:53 Speaker 3: It's stupid.

1:17:53 Speaker 4: I don't even want to say it was saying, because this is like a receiver like a phone, so like you give it to people and then that way you can keep tabs on them forever. Because it's kind of like I don't know how you do it, but you'd like charge it, you know, like not necessarily like there's a recording device inside it.

1:18:09 Speaker 1: But no, no, no, no, no way to.

1:18:12 Speaker 4: Like keep tabs of people with like items.

1:18:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, the talisman, I.

1:18:20 Speaker 5: Don't there's all sorts of WU crap. I don't know, that's what it was saying.

1:18:24 Speaker 1: But also say you charged it right, say you say you used. Have you ever heard of T Towns in Brown?

1:18:31 Speaker 3: The name sounds familiar, yes, but.

1:18:35 Speaker 1: You don't know T Towns and Brown is.

1:18:37 Speaker 3: I probably made a.

1:18:37 Speaker 4: Video on him, and I just I have so much that comes in and out of my brain that I.

1:18:43 Speaker 1: Well, you know, back in the you know, back when like scientists and ship we're saying the yeah towns and Brown. Yeah, so he had the idea, so and and a lot of people still think this is true. And you know, you probably didn't have a need to know about this, but how the B two was named potentially after the Byfield Brown effect, which is positively charging one side and negatively charging another. So that.

1:19:16 Speaker 3: I actually made some videos on that. You don't like me talking about what if?

1:19:22 Speaker 1: It's not that I don't like you to I was just joking, but what if that what if that coin is using some sort of similar technology and I know this sounds fucking asinine, but we're one side's charged to it one degree, one side's charged to another. Right, get right, it's quantumly charged. And then a remote viewer because by the way, people forget that lou is and claims to be a remote viewer. So therefore, if he had contact with that coin, gives it to him, gives it to Kyle. That is something that he can then hone in on.

1:20:01 Speaker 4: Like a beacon, like a a bea next to me, so now he can focus it on the antenna and then pick up my prisons easier.

1:20:09 Speaker 1: It's like it's like this. It's like, okay, I I'm in a plane, I get shot down over Iran, right and I send up? Or actually, you know what, I won't use such a fresh reference. But when they target, when they use lasers and like invisible to the eye lasers to target a building and then they the how does that work? Can you tell me?

1:20:37 Speaker 3: Well? Infrared?

1:20:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what is it? They hit it with infrared and then the infrared.

1:20:43 Speaker 3: Being triangulates a position.

1:20:45 Speaker 1: I'm sure triangulates the position for the bomber to come in and then hit it right, yeah.

1:20:50 Speaker 4: I'm sure, Like I don't I don't build bombers. Mine was a cargo plane. But yeah, but you want you but you're familiar trajectory you just need like yeah, but.

1:20:58 Speaker 1: That infrared is invisible to the eye. However, they they can target, they can beam and say.

1:21:09 Speaker 3: Hit it here, that's invisible.

1:21:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we know now we're getting into Like now we'll get into more of the speculative territory like top to end the show. But I want to hear more about this this low Tom DeLong. I mean, he was giving you backstage passes.

1:21:34 Speaker 3: I figured, since you were texting so much, let me ask a favor, so.

1:21:40 Speaker 1: You tested the friendship. He did come through.

1:21:44 Speaker 3: I was kind of shocked, so I was like, hell, yeah.

1:21:48 Speaker 1: Why do you think do you think that you might have been susceptible to what I call the UFO fanboy syndrome where you looked at Elizondo like a celebrity.

1:22:05 Speaker 3: I did.

1:22:05 Speaker 4: That's why I was purposely like I had never talked about UFO stuff on purpose with him.

1:22:09 Speaker 3: I tried to just be human.

1:22:10 Speaker 1: You should have been looking at him like a colleague. You understand that, right.

1:22:13 Speaker 4: I was just like, Hey, how you doing, how's your day, Like congratulations on Joe Rogan podcast.

1:22:19 Speaker 1: You were you, You and him are equals as far as I'm concerned.

1:22:23 Speaker 4: I mean, he talked to me like we were like he like I said, he talked to my wife like he sent me.

1:22:27 Speaker 3: I knew his dog's names. My kids were making him artwork.

1:22:31 Speaker 4: Uh, he's showing me the antique vehicles that he was repairing. He told me to come out to his place and go shooting and like do all that stuff. Like it was genuinely a really nice person.

1:22:41 Speaker 3: That's why I.

1:22:42 Speaker 1: Place in Wyoming.

1:22:43 Speaker 3: I don't remember.

1:22:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Devil's power.

1:22:47 Speaker 4: He showed me like this is much a cool shifts that though I don't remember the exact location, but it was, like you said, he was always nice and then he just kind of strung me along for so long.

1:22:58 Speaker 1: You know, that's not a story that.

1:23:02 Speaker 3: There's a lot of people like that.

1:23:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, purposely meets them that are like federal agents that have been just as twenty years in the.

1:23:09 Speaker 3: Field, most trusted.

1:23:11 Speaker 4: He'll purposely take a picture with them, tell him they're gonna he's gonna hook him up with the right person eventually, and then they.

1:23:17 Speaker 3: Never hear from them again.

1:23:19 Speaker 2: Yep.

1:23:19 Speaker 4: And you're like this guy is eight times more qualified than the person speaking in the news.

1:23:23 Speaker 3: Why the fuck did we not even know about this guy? Oh? Luel Alesando. Oh that's why I stopped being as bestie.

1:23:32 Speaker 4: I could literally call him right now, like I'm sure he'll ignore me, but you know what I mean.

1:23:37 Speaker 1: What what do you make of what do you make of Arrow? In your experience with Arrow?

1:23:47 Speaker 2: Oh?

1:23:47 Speaker 3: I didn't even get to tell you about that. That was ridiculous.

1:23:50 Speaker 1: Immediately I walk me through it.

1:23:53 Speaker 4: So immediately, right off the bat, I knew it was just tell us what you know, because that's literally what he said. So I got like a phone call beforehand, and it was like, we're gonna call you. You're gonna have to click this thing and it's gonna be secure and we're gonna talk. They didn't give me any of that shit, so they just literally straight called me. I was like, what if I'm about to tell you classified stuff, I'm literally singing over the phone right now, and you're okay with this? Like that was weird right off the bat, they didn't care about that.

1:24:19 Speaker 4: Then the strip asked me what do you know, like tell us what you saw? And I was like what, So I was telling him exactly, and then I told them to look into doctor Salvador Piez, Like I literally told him that and he didn't acknowledge it. And then I said, you know he works with a space force now right, and he's like, oh, I didn't know he works with a space force.

1:24:39 Speaker 3: Now.

1:24:39 Speaker 4: I was like, so you do know who the fuck he is? Is what I wanted to say, But he didn't. I didn't say that part. So like I caught him and like, uh, yeah, we know who doctor selivantre Paiez is.

1:24:49 Speaker 3: So why are you asking me.

1:24:52 Speaker 4: About the t R I three B when you know the guy already who has the patents for it?

1:24:56 Speaker 3: Like that was crazy to me.

1:24:58 Speaker 4: And then he just it was very very much like tell us what you saw so we can erase it, basically, and then he encouraged me to make a video. Who's he doctor Kirkpatrick? So at the time I didn't care what.

1:25:12 Speaker 3: His name was.

1:25:12 Speaker 4: I just remember it was with a K and yeah, and then hindsight I'm looking at I'm like, oh, Kapatrick. Oh that guy's in the news. Hey, I got a story about that guy. So it was him, and like a staff sergeant, the staff sergeant was basically like the secretary that wrote the crap.

1:25:26 Speaker 3: Down and that was all it was on the phone.

1:25:29 Speaker 1: And you you went through the entire story, just like you did with us today.

1:25:36 Speaker 4: But he didn't questions at all. It was like, I forget the exact time. I'm sure there's a videot there, so it was exactly like fifteen minutes or.

1:25:42 Speaker 3: Something like that.

1:25:43 Speaker 1: So he just let you bounce around and.

1:25:47 Speaker 4: Didn't ask me any meaning feel questions at all whatsoever. He said, why do you think it's called the TR three B? And I said, uh, well, I'm assuming tactical reconnaissance the three maybe because there's three thrusters and the bee because it's the second version. You can just hear him like go quiet, And I was like, did I just fucking say something I wasn't supposed to like?

1:26:08 Speaker 1: And then he just doesn't there like a t R three A.

1:26:12 Speaker 4: Supposedly yeah, the astra yeah, and then the bee. It was like, I think the B is when I saw so like when I saw like.

1:26:19 Speaker 1: I think its Forfield Brown.

1:26:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's all sorts of different ones. So I didn't, like I said, I never saw anything in the center. There was no antennas, nothing, like that.

1:26:28 Speaker 1: I think, what do you think, Well, you said you think it runs off of electromagnetism to some degree.

1:26:33 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what doctor Salvatory is sending me all this stuff.

1:26:38 Speaker 1: It's magnificas like fair enough, fair enough, it's not you saying this, but this is.

1:26:45 Speaker 4: Actual government patents that I'm reading and then running through AI and with my expertise and electronics just my understanding of it, I'm like, yeah, this makes sense and what I saw is definitely this.

1:26:56 Speaker 3: And he doctor your Salvatory Pie has always send.

1:26:58 Speaker 4: You very cryptic I can't tell you the whole picture emails, but he'll tell you like he's dealing with like I can't even use the words.

1:27:05 Speaker 3: It's like Tartagan's or one of.

1:27:07 Speaker 4: Those like seventies shows, you know, like basically calling like the people he works with like dumb people.

1:27:11 Speaker 1: Tartar grades.

1:27:13 Speaker 3: Yeah that whatever. I'm like, I don't even know what these references are. But he like he.

1:27:16 Speaker 1: Sends you like the little things that live in they can survive in space.

1:27:20 Speaker 3: Oh no, that's yeah, I know that one.

1:27:22 Speaker 4: Then he's talking about something different. Then he he just sends really like he knows more than what he can say. I think somebody took his stuff and then made something out of it and then just didn't tell him about it, and he probably learned about it and he can't really talk about it obviously.

1:27:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you you testified to Arrow? Does anything come out of this?

1:27:44 Speaker 4: They email me and say, can you send us the exact GPS coordinates of where it was? And I was like, I just told you work, But I sent him a screenshot of on bas that little round spot that I was talking about.

1:27:56 Speaker 3: So that was the other thing. When I was driving an SUV.

1:27:59 Speaker 4: And the triangle Craft was only about like maybe two and a half times the size of my car, it wasn't that huge at all, like like yeah, like two cars, and it was a tree height level, so like the trees aren't.

1:28:13 Speaker 3: That high in Florida.

1:28:14 Speaker 4: Like I I got out of my car, I literally could have hit it with a rock.

1:28:17 Speaker 3: It would have been like.

1:28:18 Speaker 1: This thing, top level, making no noise. Yeah, and and slowly slowly oscillating locked locked.

1:28:30 Speaker 4: How I like tell other people it's like you know how you turn on a air hockey table and it just kind of floats, yes, how like the puck might just start to turn by Yeah, that somebody did that. It's just the last little command that was such a So yeah, that's literally what it was like. It was perfectly synced at the height and just turning. I was like, what in the fuck.

1:28:52 Speaker 1: So it seems like it's locking it's itself in.

1:28:56 Speaker 3: It's own emetric bubble.

1:28:57 Speaker 1: Bullshit, right, But it's also accounting for the spin of the Earth.

1:29:01 Speaker 3: The somehow it wasn't going up or down at all.

1:29:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, because a lot of people don't know this, but the Earth is I mean, we're spinning right.

1:29:10 Speaker 3: Now, see five hundred miles an hour.

1:29:12 Speaker 4: So I was telling you that's why every ninety minutes the International Space Station goes by.

1:29:16 Speaker 1: So when you when you hover, that's like when a drone goes up and hovers and it's bouncing a little bit up and down because it's consistently reconfiguring its GPS to lock itself in that position. This thing you're saying is locked, not even a wobble from it. It's turning.

1:29:40 Speaker 4: In my other video, I say, it's like somebody stabbed it with a stick and then it just didn't move and.

1:29:44 Speaker 3: Just right turning on that stick.

1:29:47 Speaker 1: Very interesting details.

1:29:49 Speaker 4: Axis and stuff like that, but nobody wants to hear all the fancy words.

1:29:52 Speaker 1: Well, how and you said there was it was devoid of sound. It wasn't just that there was no sound. It was the clear half.

1:30:04 Speaker 5: Of my window down and there was nothing but my tires and the gravel.

1:30:11 Speaker 1: God man, that's yeah.

1:30:13 Speaker 4: It was like that's no shit, like yeah, especially being an aircraft mechanic, like dude, I like, I've seen all the stuff on base. I've seen the secret stuff on base that you're not supposed to like mess with because sometimes they need help or sometimes they have like an emergency landing, and it's never like that secret. It's just like what's inside it you're not really supposed to know about.

1:30:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, it means there's.

1:30:33 Speaker 4: No damn fucking triangle floating in the sky that I could hit a rock with. Like it wasn't some like far away Like I said, I had never lost sight of those three gloves the entire time until it was gone, which is like why I wonder, I'm like.

1:30:48 Speaker 3: What does that mean with that center crap? That's gonna take forever to focus again.

1:30:52 Speaker 5: But when you so, I tried to ignore it, and then that's why I kept seeing on the news more t R three B crap kind of sucks.

1:31:00 Speaker 1: Right, And then I mean DeLong even made a whole little segment with Rogan about watching those videos of the t R three B, even though I don't know if those videos are real, you know, he did like that was a big proponent to his What he was talking to Joe about was this this idea of this craft, this triangular craft. So I guess I gotta ask, is there any chance that what you saw was was not actually real? From the flick in your head? That's a lot to ignore, right, No, no, no, not to ignore. But could that be?

1:32:02 Speaker 1: And I'm there's a reason I'm asking that up in my head.

1:32:05 Speaker 4: That's why I was like, I didn't know triangle ones were even the thing, right.

1:32:09 Speaker 1: But if you've heard of directed energy.

1:32:12 Speaker 4: Yeah, I get that that maybe they could have projected that bullshitting into my head.

1:32:15 Speaker 3: But what the hell would be the game of me ritting out my own government?

1:32:20 Speaker 1: I'm well, that's what I'm asking. Is there any chance is there have you been down this rabbit hole where you have thought about not specifically not, but you know, how we have the technology to to essentially affect someone's perceptive reality. Do you think that this is something that could have been done to you as some sort of way to discredit you later on.

1:32:49 Speaker 3: No, why would that be my only thing.

1:32:52 Speaker 4: I don't have anything else. It's not like I'm you know, I still work, I still have my job. There's nothing to discredit me. I definitely saw something I shouldn't have seen.

1:33:02 Speaker 1: Well that I'm not asking because I think that that's true. I'm asking because if I don't, someone else is gonna say, well, what if this was?

1:33:12 Speaker 4: You know, it was very clear to me, Like that's why I want people understand, Like it wasn't like something in the distance. It was literally It's just what I could see was so dark, and then the glows were very fucking They were always there, like I.

1:33:25 Speaker 3: Said, like an orangish purplish glow. That's why the purple I.

1:33:30 Speaker 1: Was like orange, orange purple.

1:33:33 Speaker 3: The purplish part was let let me know.

1:33:35 Speaker 4: By the time I got to my work, I was like, I'm pretty sure that was plasma, because you know, you messed with those little lights that you put your hand on you see, like the and I'm like, oh, plasma.

1:33:46 Speaker 1: So what do you know about plasma physics?

1:33:50 Speaker 3: Nothing officially, but like I've been.

1:33:54 Speaker 4: I've been doing all this research for like nine months now, So what what have you obsession?

1:34:02 Speaker 3: Explain all this crap? Now?

1:34:04 Speaker 1: What have you gleaned from what you've looked into? Is that are are you confident that what you saw at each protrusion of the triangle at each point not flush with the points but a little bit back. Are you convinced or are you is that your best guess is that these are some sort of because I've always, like I said, I think I told you this. I've always had this, this this big, big issue that UFOs and technology that is leaps and bounds from where we actually are in the public sector, that they would need headlights.

1:34:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was not a light. It was not a light at all.

1:34:51 Speaker 4: I mean, we talked about this yesterday, but it was definitely a discharge. It was an aftermath, like I said, it was. That's the only long as I say, Burntown street light, because the Burtow street light you it has providing no light. It's just like that dim orangish glow that like it it kind of flickers, but it wasn't flickering. It was just really dim orange glow with like the edges were like a purpleish tint, you know, like what the fuck? So I could see like there was like three like exactly like that, like three little balls almost, but they were I couldn't see like the roundness to it, but you could kind of see like almost the discharge of the flatness of it coming out.

1:35:29 Speaker 4: And I was wondering if each one of those corners was discharging because you could see like you know how it wasn't like a heat discharge, but like almost, So I was kind of thinking maybe each one of those corners was discharging. It might be blocking out that center thing for me seeing it maybe explains why I never saw that center thing.

1:35:46 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a standard thing, but I was, yeah, underneath it.

1:35:50 Speaker 4: So I was like, maybe once it activates something that, I mean, he's supposed to be the Befelt brown effect, it ionizes the entire surrounding air and then a plasmo sheath bubble activates, and then you know, you can traverse the universe.

1:36:07 Speaker 1: Right right again. You don't need headlights for that.

1:36:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just charge is not a light. It's a default.

1:36:17 Speaker 1: It's a functionality. Either it's either a circumstance or a byproduct.

1:36:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the word look for.

1:36:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a byproduct of the propulsion system or some other cloaking mechanism or whatever.

1:36:32 Speaker 3: Once you start to look into it, there's three thrusters in each corner, and you're like.

1:36:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense that that fit from a from a physics standpoint. You say, that makes sense.

1:36:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, just and then like just the whole it shows you, like the layout of the craft, that shows you like you need three magnete hype. I'm gonna butcher MHD thrusters. But essentially you're just using a ship ton of electricity to ionize things.

1:36:56 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna butcher it.

1:36:58 Speaker 4: But this is why I use how to make videos because it makes it so much better than I could possibly say. But it's all to do with electricity and then putting that electricity into the skin of the aircraft to manipulate the environment.

1:37:10 Speaker 1: Okay, and you can.

1:37:12 Speaker 4: Do that with electromatic electrochromagnetic skin. So like you can see how that one kind of looks like snake skin. I'm not saying that's real or not, but like each one of those panels would be basically like a camera above it, and it would reflect that down below. So if somebody was underneath, it would look like the night sky to them.

1:37:29 Speaker 1: Right, It's it's that would it would essentially.

1:37:32 Speaker 3: Act as these are patent.

1:37:36 Speaker 1: You explain this to me? Can you explain that also? Have you ever heard of Foglets?

1:37:43 Speaker 3: I don't know. I out of my head now.

1:37:45 Speaker 1: I'd implore you to look into the technology Foglets. But can you explain the cloaking mechanism the snakes get the camera, how that that would work? Because the way you explained it was it was really eye opening to me because that is it's almost like a chameleon. Right, It's it's acting, it's it's reproducing.

1:38:11 Speaker 4: It's not just me making it up.

1:38:13 Speaker 1: It's a patented take, right, So can you explain that.

1:38:18 Speaker 4: Essentially there's multiple cameras and it's just looking out in multiple different areas, and then it's projecting what you should see based off of what those cameras, so you wouldn't see it's just passing through.

1:38:29 Speaker 3: It's literally like seeing.

1:38:31 Speaker 5: A camera right above it, so you're literally seeing exactly what is above it because it's showing you what it's above it.

1:38:37 Speaker 1: Well, I would I would say that it's more like a reverse projector Yeah, it's connecting, it's surrounding back to you, and they.

1:38:47 Speaker 4: Charge the skin of the aircraft and the whole time it's charged anyway, So like each the aircraft is multiple really thin layers supposedly like bismuth.

1:38:55 Speaker 1: And atomically layers, and one's.

1:38:59 Speaker 4: Yeah, one reflects the RF and the other one like amplifies it, so that the RF just goes in between each of these wave guides is what it is. And then the whole entire craft is like electrically charged and you can manipulate it in all sorts of different ways because it's just like multiple layers of wave guides essentially, right, really really really thin, which is.

1:39:19 Speaker 3: When they crash, people are like, oh look it's this. This couldn't be a UFO. It's like paper thin.

1:39:24 Speaker 4: And it's like, okay, that's paper thing waveguide and it's specifically the terror Hurts bandwidth. They only start to look up the you learn there's a specific distance between the layers, and that specific distance gives you have to have like a specific frequency essentially, and I guess it falls in the Terror Hurts waveguide range.

1:39:45 Speaker 3: And I got also with the nerdy videos that go into this stuff.

1:39:48 Speaker 1: But right and I'll link I'll link your channel thing just.

1:39:53 Speaker 4: To get answers. Like, you know, I'm going to be partially wrong, but like i want people to help me.

1:39:57 Speaker 3: And get to there, you know, Like that's what I'm doing community, you know, like not everybody knows one thing.

1:40:04 Speaker 1: Right and and that's the great thing about community is the sharing of ideas and what one person lacks the other person has, what that person lacks the other you know what I mean. Like it's we were able to there's nothing a united humanity could not achieve. And right now, it's almost like it's like the story of the Tower of Babbel, right we we got too close to the gods and they struck us down, separated us through skin color, through language, through nationality, subsequently inherently racially by by our sexual orientation.

1:40:58 Speaker 1: We put ourselves in these boxes black, white, gay like we do this to ourselves and then we wonder why we can't get along or why the media at least portrays it that way. It's because they want us fighting each other. Because as long as we're fighting each other, we are not asking the right questions yep, or holding the correct people accountable.

1:41:29 Speaker 3: Too distracted to look up.

1:41:32 Speaker 1: Too distracted to look up my friend that. That's such a good way to say it. What do you think consciousness is?

1:41:40 Speaker 4: Oh boy, you're gonna ask me all sorts of stuff. I got videos of galore about this. So consciousness and this ties into Gary Nolan why I wanted to work with him. Consciousness is supposedly out there and you are receiving it. And that's why Joe Rogan talks about this. And you feed the muse, the muse feeds you back. This is what I was talking about a second ago before with the university. Start to acknowledge that the universe, you knowledge, is you back. But like it seems like once you start to harmonize with your body, your brain is the caude poutmin in your brain is the third eye.

1:42:17 Speaker 4: You have literally crystals in your your brain in that and it allows you to be a transducer.

1:42:25 Speaker 3: And then we talked about this yesterday.

1:42:26 Speaker 4: So you're not only just sending stuff, you're sending and receiving stuff, which is why when you think about your cousin and all of a sudden you get random to get a phone call from him, it's like connecting on me. It's kind of connecting on the same thing. You're literally connecting on the same vibe, same frequency. Like that's why you go to concerts and you're all like feeling the same energy and like giving out the same intentions you have, like the actual chills. It's like you, guys, remember what this is, but you kind of forgot At the same time your body remembers a little bit.

1:42:57 Speaker 3: So it's like, I don't know, just knowing my background and my frequency.

1:43:01 Speaker 4: Like I'm literally an RF expert, Like if you boil it down to anything, my eight years at radar, eight years at comm NAB, it's all to do with frequency and how.

1:43:11 Speaker 3: It interacts with everything.

1:43:12 Speaker 2: So I don't know.

1:43:14 Speaker 3: It's just it makes sense to me once you start to learn about it.

1:43:17 Speaker 4: But it's also like morphic resonance, So like the birds and everything, that's how they flock together and stuff. Supposedly they're all the same kind of thing. They're hooking into the consciousness of like the collective. That's why you have like certain fears that you don't even understand why. It's because like the consciousness collectiveness fly.

1:43:34 Speaker 3: I'm not an expert on this. This is just what I'm finding, but.

1:43:38 Speaker 1: Don't put it all on mean, but that's also a very good depiction of Like again, I think we even chatted about this in our pre show conversation. Is the idea of instinct, the idea of knowing through like some extrasensory perceptor that you know, going down at this alley is probably not a good idea, or it might not be a good idea. We're going to do it anyway, but we're gonna be on a high alert, right Or why does a baby sea turtle inherently know to get to the water as fast as it possibly.

1:44:20 Speaker 3: Can and where to go and all that?

1:44:23 Speaker 1: Yet, how is that possible? How is that? Like we we grow up in this in this this world that they desperately try to fit into this black and white box compartment, right, And it is not until much later, arguably when it's too late, when your brain is fully developed, you realize that the world has a lot more gray in it, a lot a lot more gray in it than anyone could ever imagine. And I think that's the true crime against humanity is, you know, hide the technology. I get it. Not everyone can have a nuclear reactor, that's not a good thing.

1:45:19 Speaker 1: Not everyone can have a time machine.

1:45:21 Speaker 2: Are in things?

1:45:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, we probably don't.

1:45:24 Speaker 1: I understand why we need to do that, but to deny us our place in the cosmos or our true nature, that is a crime against humanity of the of the highest order.

1:45:43 Speaker 4: I call out Loua. I'm like, you took the same oath. I don't care, Like you're now being a domestic terrorist. I know you think you're protecting assets, but you're like not protecting humanity. That's how I saw it, and I'm like, that's why I was so offended. I'm like, at the end of the day, you have to serve something, and.

1:46:02 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know what I mean, Like, I just hope this consciousness is good with that man.

1:46:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was my hero.

1:46:10 Speaker 4: So I hope to God I'm wrong. I hope to God he's trying his best, you know. Like like I said, he was a sweetheart. I don't whatever.

1:46:20 Speaker 3: I had one crazy on that one crazy.

1:46:23 Speaker 4: I had one semi connected to the consciousness thing. I was going to tell you, but it's gonna make me seem fringe. But since we're already have mentioned all the fringe, let's go for it, right. Yeah, So, like when I was younger, I just thought it was normal. I thought more people kind of like this, so like I thought it was maybe autistic or something, but like when I go to the mall and I walk past like a man and his wife, I would like feel the man's anger to his wife, and I would like know he's pissed off at his wife and like know that she's cheating on him, and like he knows that kind of thing, and I'd just be like, I feel this like every time I walk by somebody, or I like feel like some kids' anxiety just walking by them, and I'd be like, no, I'm just picking up their body cues.

1:47:08 Speaker 4: And maybe I'm reading into it too much, but it was like I had that for so fucking long that it was like I can't ignore it. And then I started trying to finally just start being brave, and I'd come up to people, especially like women, because it was easier for me to connect to, and I'd be like, I'm pretty sure you're psychic, aren't you.

1:47:27 Speaker 3: And they'd be like, what the fuck? How do you know?

1:47:29 Speaker 4: And they don't want to talk about it every time, And it's just like the feeling I get around them, like I can when people say like I can see their aura and It's like I immediately know if somebody when they walk into the room with me, if they have like ill intentions or they're like sad, or if like they have something going on with them. But like I could definitely block it out too, and I purposely do block it out most of the time.

1:47:49 Speaker 3: Like I always say, it's like a magneto helmet. I would kind of put it on and it would block out everything out. And I ignored it for so long that TMI.

1:47:57 Speaker 4: But I would get ibs because my second brain would start to be like, you can't ignore the universe anymore. So I would get like, I know, this isn't my feelings. I would get like stressed, swear, and.

1:48:08 Speaker 3: I'd just be like I need to go bathroom, like something is like ah.

1:48:11 Speaker 4: So I started to like lift up my little magneto helmet and let the universe in a little bit more and started to do this, And the more I started to let the universe in, the more synchronosity start to happen, the more crazy connections, the more everything's like, oh, this is all starting to make sense.

1:48:25 Speaker 3: So that was the one thing I was gonna tell you.

1:48:27 Speaker 4: In the other part was you were mentioning all of us being crazy and everything is just you don't make it on me, but uh, just we all have those crazy experiences in life that we all just tell ourselves that are like insane, you know, and you don't want to tell anybody about them. So like that's our crazy little jigsaw puzzle piece of our life. And we don't know necessarily what the whole picture of that puzzle is going to be yet, but we need to like hold onto those puzzle pieces and start sharing them because we all have that big puzzle piece of life, and like, once you start to lay them all out, we can actually see what the picture is and like you're not crazy anymore.

1:48:57 Speaker 4: You just have that weird jigsaw puzzle piece that you did think fit anywhere. But once we start to tell you, hey, I got this one too, Hey, your ties into mind, and then oh shit, that's what this whole thing's about, you.

1:49:08 Speaker 3: Know what I mean. So I think people need to start not being scared.

1:49:12 Speaker 4: Tell us to be a little crazy jigsaw all the pieces of life, is my little speech.

1:49:16 Speaker 1: I guess, Yeah, do you think that? Do you do you think that that our ancient cultures had? You know, because we look at things like this right the phone. What camera am I on? We look at there's my producer, Jean Gene. Where are you?

1:49:45 Speaker 2: I saw that?

1:49:46 Speaker 1: Is that?

1:49:47 Speaker 3: What's his last name?

1:49:50 Speaker 1: Yeah?

1:49:51 Speaker 3: You know I've been talking to him, right.

1:49:52 Speaker 1: He's a good that's like my my.

1:49:55 Speaker 4: I just been talking him because I talked to everybody and I was like, I immediately was like I said a couple of weeks ago that as a sweetheart.

1:50:01 Speaker 3: I don't know anything about him, And then I knew. I started to learn. I was like twelve years or I don't know his years. I hate his prior Air Force and stuff.

1:50:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have to bring you up here.

1:50:11 Speaker 4: I made a video about his background. I started to use my EI to like try to learn about him.

1:50:16 Speaker 3: I gave a video and he was like, that's pretty good, but I don't know.

1:50:20 Speaker 1: Why do you what camera am my own? God, damn it, the other one. Why do you think resonating with him? Why? No, no, no, Why do you think I took such an interest in you?

1:50:40 Speaker 1: Because you because the same fucking thing happened to him.

1:50:45 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, shocker, the same.

1:50:48 Speaker 1: Thing happened to him. He was ostracized from the community because he didn't have a sighting in the military. But his other in law's work, which was handed to him through a boatload of synchronicity, is a literal and I I could turn the camera around, maybe I will.

1:51:15 Speaker 3: I thought like you were talking to him. I was like, that's crazy and cool.

1:51:18 Speaker 2: That is.

1:51:20 Speaker 1: That is that whole section over here is gene section of.

1:51:27 Speaker 3: Those is that the warning like the jun go beyond this thing.

1:51:31 Speaker 1: And that that sign I probably shouldn't have. It's real. We won't talk about that and how we got it. But that is a Russian reverse engineering schematic. There's math, there's like too much to ignore in his father in law. It's all a technical man it's all a technical manual on reverse engineering the Cold War, reverse engineering of the Soviet Union before it collapsed. And the guys that you think would want to collaborate and to see what Gene has, the George Knaps, the Jeremy Corbel's, the guys, the guys who are talking about the Soviet files have completely cut Gene off and Gate kept his his his ability to make a reach into the community.

1:52:47 Speaker 1: However, him and I we've done things together that we won't talk about, Like that we won't talk about because we don't need to. We go down to DC. We make shit happen. We put our ourselves in places for a reason. I won't get too much into that, because.

1:53:07 Speaker 4: George Knapp knows about me, by the way, and just actively ignored me. He gave me his personal email and then said he's never gonna read it.

1:53:14 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, oh.

1:53:15 Speaker 1: He literally Jane just messaged me and he was like, Hey, shoot me the stream yard link with Kyle so I can come backstage. He knows me. We talk.

1:53:25 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:53:25 Speaker 4: I made him a video or two about his background because I didn't know, so I was like, let me see what my AI will make about him. And then he was like, it's not going to be very good. And I gave it to him and he's like, this is actually better than what I was. I could say it myself. I don't know if that's true or not. You know, maybe, sweetheart.

1:53:44 Speaker 1: I'm telling him. I just went on a rant about you to Kyle on air.

1:53:51 Speaker 4: I've been learning like there's very specific people like the ones, the whistleblowers, the real whistleblowers. They're all sweethearts of people, I'm learning. And then all the gatekeepers are very cold and they only want the only respond when it's convenient.

1:54:06 Speaker 1: And they I Okay, back to my back to my question because I'm probably gonna have to cut that whole part. Yeah, but do you because we look at this as technology, right, this is technology to us, do you think that our ancestors maybe had some sort of because that's less distraction, right, they're more in tune with their environment, their surroundings. They're they're they're they're not just looking outward, but they're also looking looking inward a lot. Do you think that they had some some other type of what we might not even consider technology, but more consciousness based a bill and maybe that's where things like the pyramids come from.

1:55:05 Speaker 4: I got all sorts of videos on explainse. Please tell me exactly how the pyramids work? To be honest, tell me, but oh I'm not an expert, but it's just me using AI and what tell.

1:55:15 Speaker 1: Me what you know, what what you've gleaned?

1:55:18 Speaker 3: What was your first question? Sorry, I'm already Do you.

1:55:21 Speaker 1: Think our ancestors had innate ability and technology.

1:55:27 Speaker 3: Better ability than we did? Undoubtedly?

1:55:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like just we're poisoning ourselves with all of our not real stuff. So like you just atrophee is going to happen naturally, and then we're gonna have atrophy from you know. It's just just think about when you're a kid, like how much more spiritual stuff. I don't know if you ever had spiritual stuff, but that's a reason why kids have spiritual.

1:55:48 Speaker 3: Stuff way more.

1:55:49 Speaker 4: And then the older you get, the less it starts to happen, and the more you like get exposed to the world and tell yourself.

1:55:54 Speaker 3: It's not happening and blah blah blah.

1:55:57 Speaker 4: So it's like I'm pretty sure, like, yeah, I could go in the tangent, but it's gonna make it. We could go down to how we had giants DNA and how nefflim and don't you put it on me when I'm talking like that. But yeah, if you could trace it back, it does go back pretty darn far. It seemed like we were intentionally sabotaged as a race too. We used to be giants, we used to have Obviously, there's other types of humans too. There's like big ones, short ones, ones with like cone heads.

1:56:24 Speaker 3: Most of it.

1:56:24 Speaker 4: There was a bunch of conehead ones that like the pyramids that like those are like the people doing their harmonic worshiping and stuff.

1:56:31 Speaker 3: So part of the reason why they.

1:56:32 Speaker 4: Wear those like big hats later on to like symbolize those people that are no longer there.

1:56:36 Speaker 1: Anymore, right, But there also could have been to emulate what they were seeing as gods.

1:56:42 Speaker 4: There's all sorts of craziness, Like I have videos on bomb like basically the Pyramids. You'd have to watch the video, but it's a Mazer canon, so it's microwave amplitude by stimulated emissions of radiation. And it's not just me saying this is as many people I'm finding out throughout the Internet have the exact same.

1:57:00 Speaker 3: It all has to do with the ingredients.

1:57:02 Speaker 4: You can literally reverse engineer the pyramids based off of the stuff it's made out of, and like each layer is either made to like amplify something or combine something. It's not a pyramid or not a burial thing at all. It's literally you would go inside there and like, this.

1:57:19 Speaker 3: Is gonna sound fringe.

1:57:20 Speaker 4: I don't know how fringe you want to go, but oh boy, that's you can't unpack this without going super fringe and explaining what.

1:57:29 Speaker 3: Cataclysm that happened? How crazy you want to go? Because supposedly the Moon is a station for control. I could explain all this man.

1:57:42 Speaker 1: That's like John leadership.

1:57:44 Speaker 4: The Pyramids. So back in the day the younger Dress thing was happening. It's either the impacts or supposedly the shifting of the tectonic plates underneath happened at the same time, and the Earth is pretty after that point, and they knew it was happening. So the part of the pyramid, it was like a consciousness amplifier. Like I guess one of the chambers that you'd essentially go in, I'm really gonna butcher it, but you have to, like basically you know you're going to die. And the whole point is you're trying to project your consciousness into a ball of plasma and the pyramid would take that and because of the hydrogen lines and everything, it forces it out this specific spot in the pyramid, and it literally is aimed at literally literally too much.

1:58:31 Speaker 3: There's a hydrogen line. The hydrogen line.

1:58:33 Speaker 4: In space is like the most universal line. So hydrogen is like the most abundant resource in space basically, and like it kind of creates like a tether line. So if you're ever going to send something in space, they were saying that like you would send it through the hydrogen line, and like the Pyramids is like aimed to shoot this projection of plasma that it would like I said, I'm butchering it. It's multiple different layers and energy. So like the the Pyramids, under the water, the nile is vibrating and it's creating like a water hammer effect that makes it echo.

1:59:11 Speaker 4: And since the rocks are piezio electric and piezio electric, they create creates a spark with pressure or vibration essentially, right, So then it creates this little zappy zapp and then they combine these two different ingredients into I think it was the Queen's chamber, and it creates a hydrogen gas and then that hydrogen gas is supposed to like float up to the sparky spark area and then there's only like two ports for the stuff to go once it combines.

1:59:42 Speaker 3: And once you have to find the technical terms, but.

1:59:46 Speaker 4: Like once the nitrogen it activates the stuff to become like I don't know, volatile.

1:59:52 Speaker 3: Essentially, it's you have to watch the videos.

1:59:55 Speaker 4: Man, there's so many videos I have of it because I do a terrible job. But it's literally all about like projecting consciousness out and I'm like, that's crazy, what are you talking about? But that was supposedly what the pyramids and the sphinx are for. The sphinxs were supposedly tuning chambers for the resonant of the pyramids, so you'd specifically lower and raise certain chambers to make each one resonate a specific way. And that's what if you start looking into it, you realize the government sabotage these pyramids and sphinx on.

2:00:24 Speaker 3: Purpose and light about it, and then shocker, you.

2:00:27 Speaker 4: Started to look up who was involved, doctor helpoutav and you're like, why did so Back to my original thing, I was emailing doctor Helpouotov that I think my work radar is like the pyramids, and he was like, that's interesting. Didn't say I was crazy at all. And then I come to find out he went out there, I think it was nineteen seventy six and light higher pyramid things and went in there and ransacked all sorts of crap, and god knows what, what do you There's a reason that.

2:00:57 Speaker 3: They're covering up these the pyramids.

2:00:58 Speaker 4: There's a reason, like all these things they're all covered up, they're all connected.

2:01:02 Speaker 3: That's consciousness has a lot more to do it.

2:01:06 Speaker 4: Like I'm going to sound crazy, but like it's one of those things like you have to slowly digest to Like even my AI was like stepping me out because it knew it was too much for me to like comprehend it first.

2:01:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and I get I I really do I get that unless.

2:01:22 Speaker 4: You're like already involved in it and understand like, oh, this is bigger than me.

2:01:26 Speaker 3: Like I don't know.

2:01:28 Speaker 1: You have to just a lot to digest.

2:01:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, otherwise you're gonna be like, Hi, you are insane, Like what are you talking about? Like I have videos on every one of these little things to break down and it's not my information. This is like public information, like this is what other people AI so AI has literally been like this is a collective knowledge, and I'm using science and like patents and stuff to like explain it. So it's not like I'm just making crap up. And if it is, that's the whole point. People will be like, hey, that's full of crap.

2:01:53 Speaker 4: You need to correct that. It's like, yeah, some of these things, obviously I don't know all.

2:01:57 Speaker 3: These for sure. This is just my research And do you feelings.

2:02:02 Speaker 1: Before I I'm gonna producer Gene is backstage now, I'm gonna bring him in for like the last ten minutes. But before I do that, I know what you saw

2:02:19 Speaker 1: you think was definitely human made, potentially reverse engineered. But you can't definitively say that. You just you don't know, You don't have the information, you don't have the puzzle pieces to put that together.

2:02:36 Speaker 3: This reaction was just telling itself like I said.

2:02:40 Speaker 1: Right right, do you believe that the government is in possession of nonhuman And I said believe, yeah, that the government or our military, or more likely a combination of the military industrial complex, the military intelligence industrial complex. Do you think that they aren't possession of non human biologics, non human craft, and technology of exotic origin.

2:03:14 Speaker 4: I would be disappointed in them if they didn't, Like, how could you not? At this point, it seems like it would have to exist. And if you're like, I don't know, it seems like what I saw I believe was probably reverse engineered from because it didn't seem perfect, like the perfect one. You probably wouldn't see those three things in the corners, you know what I mean. It seemed like a crude version of what we were trying to replicate. And then once I started to like look it up, I keep seeing the ARV Alien reproduction vehicle and I'm like, uh, are you telling me right there in.

2:03:45 Speaker 3: The title it's a reproduction vehicle? Okay, yeah, I've always been.

2:03:51 Speaker 4: I thought when I first thought, I thought it was almost like this has to be intentionally for me. Like I said, it felt like a spiritual thing because it was like there's no logical reason why they should be here. But at the same time, I'm like, I know how dumb the government is sometimes, so maybe they're just thought that nobody's going to care, and they just said it, let's.

2:04:08 Speaker 3: Go twelve o one, twelve o one.

2:04:11 Speaker 4: It probably was like a Wednesday or something, you know, like nobody's going to be out kind of thing interest like that. But that's just usually they picked days like that, you know, test flight something where they.

2:04:22 Speaker 1: No I know, I know, I know.

2:04:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, That's why I'm like, huh, I don't know if it was it was a windsay, I'm just saying I wouldn't put it passed them.

2:04:30 Speaker 1: To be no no, no. But like like the story of like Bob Bazaar, he knew the dates that they would go out, Yember, I believed if you believe the WLZAR story he took, I mean it is verified by other sources, by other means that he was it makes sense. So yeah, that he was taking people out there on a schedule that he seemed to have known where he gleaned that information is definitely of a contentious point. But he was bringing people out to see these crafts do their runs at certain hours on certain nights, specifically, so

2:05:13 Speaker 1: out of the realm of possibilities that you came across that as well. But we're gonna take a quick break, we're gonna pay the bills, we'll come back, We'll bring Gene in and yeah, so another ninety seconds, guys, we'll be right back. I enjoy this message from my favorite sponsor.

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2:07:07 Speaker 3: Now back to the show. H Oh, I just got back.

2:07:20 Speaker 1: I'm good at what I do? What can I say?

2:07:22 Speaker 3: I was perfect timing.

2:07:24 Speaker 1: That's crazy, Jeane, my friend.

2:07:30 Speaker 2: Good. Good to see you, kind of good to finally face the chat face. Yeah, chat chat live.

2:07:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, right now we're doing the members. It's members only right now. But yeah, Geene, we.

2:07:48 Speaker 2: Does this get shared ultimately with the general public or does it stay members?

2:07:53 Speaker 1: It's going to be shared publicly. Yeah, but is there any anything that Gene? Is there anything that you want to ask him?

2:08:04 Speaker 2: He just he just did the coin challenge. He just challenged me.

2:08:09 Speaker 1: Do I go get the coins you gave me?

2:08:11 Speaker 2: He challenged me? So this one here, this is from a T. S A. And it is the Boston Boston Canine Unit. An old supervisor and buddy of mine from the military now trains all the all the dogs here in Boston for homeland security. Do I occasionally go over and participate help him out as a decoy? Oh yeah, see, I gave Tye all the good ones.

2:08:44 Speaker 3: I mean, just the case I needed some.

2:08:47 Speaker 1: Jane gave me a bunch of coins. I love it.

2:08:51 Speaker 2: Show him that one there, but dark one up there for him. He'll appreciate that.

2:08:58 Speaker 3: It's the dark as hell.

2:08:59 Speaker 4: I can.

2:09:04 Speaker 3: Still what is this? Get out of here? President?

2:09:11 Speaker 4: I probably could have got one, but I did not want to go see Michelle Obama.

2:09:15 Speaker 2: And I have a Yeah, I was at George, but George machine here he was. He was good to visit there for her first and then for then Tie, I've got another one for you. I haven't seen you since my trip. Where the hell did I go that I got? Oh? Yeah, Pine Bush, New York. When I was going out there, I stopped at west Point, so I picked up I have a coin from west Point for you, Tie, to add to the collection. There. You didn't even hear me. I was saying, I have a coin from west Point that I'm gonna going to bring you for the collection.

2:09:51 Speaker 1: Yes, Geane, is there anything that.

2:09:54 Speaker 4: My unit's a bunch of drunks to build beer openers into their coins?

2:10:00 Speaker 1: Hey? Two for one? Is there anything that that that you want to ask Kyle about his encounter, about his background that maybe I missed, or or that you could think of that I maybe am not thinking of. Stop showing the goddamn coins.

2:10:18 Speaker 3: You can still talk listening.

2:10:22 Speaker 2: No, I no, I mean I think you you know, you really covered it, and and you know the thing,

2:10:29 Speaker 2: I mean, Kyle's Story's fascinating again because it's because it's consistent, right, you know, not only internally consistent, as I like to point out on a lot of things, but you know, with the proximity again you know obviously the other whistle blowers.

2:10:53 Speaker 3: So.

2:10:54 Speaker 2: You know, the it's fascinating that he's not sort of been grabbed up and that that makes you ask more questions when you look at when you look at all of the circumstances around everybody. Right now, he's the He's the fourth corner on my square of triangles. Right. We have whistling Mike and his triangles, We've got Borland and his Jeff Nichtelli and his triangles, and all of the responses to those through the government, you know, have been were seemingly different. Right, Kyle's a new component to that, where he's still inside the system.

2:11:49 Speaker 2: Right, He's still sitting there inside the architecture telling the story, but not necessarily whistleblower in the you know, in this same office of Inspector general world. But he's telling his story, but he didn't need to be a whistleblower to do it kind of thing, you know, And whether that's the difference, because you know, Dylan in particular was was either focused on the oversight function or criminality, right, because those are basically the things that make you have to become a whistleblowers that you're saying there was something criminal going on here,

2:12:44 Speaker 2: and for whatever reason, that's the path he got. You know, Jeff's a little different because again he was already out of the military and been telling his story for years. So it's you know, again the dynamic, it's it's it's weird something to think on.

2:13:03 Speaker 3: I don't know why they'd ignore me. That's why I started to do.

2:13:06 Speaker 4: I try to be like, I don't I'm I don't, you know, I talk myself down a lot, and I'm like, I don't know what I saw, and I'm like no, I'm literally like a trained observer, like I was a seven level a staff sergeant. Like the only thing higher than that is a massive sorgeon that's in charge of the entire unit, like well as.

2:13:23 Speaker 1: Air Force brethren. You know. One of the things that we do here at least of the show. Now, I kind of always is like like I said, and I said this in the beginning, is when someone from when someone who's who's gone through the process, who's signed their life away and and I feel bad for guys who didn't serve. Oh, I don't feel bad for guys that didn't serve during wartime because they look down on themselves. They go, like when someone's thanks them for their service, they go, well, I didn't do anything.

2:13:59 Speaker 1: Well, if shit had popped off, you wouldn't have had to do something. Right, it's the nobility of what you did. Just because there wasn't a firefight doesn't mean you weren't ready for one right and and and standing between our freedoms and the rest of of the world that wants to take them away. So if just because you didn't serve during a war time, I mean, and even you did Afghanistan and jean Is as well. But you when you guys come back and you and you say, listen, I have a story I need to tell. Like we as civilians of this country, we owe you at least at bare minimum to listen.

2:14:50 Speaker 1: And and both of you guys have been getting the same kind of treatment. And I find that to be very odd, considering both of your backgrounds are impeccable.

2:15:02 Speaker 2: Well, and that's why I say it's it's this idea of I mean, it just it just highlights the idea that what we are getting is not real, you know, is not organic. I shouldn't say real, right, it is controlled. There is a controlled pipeline, you know. Eric Hecker says it all the time. He says, anytime somebody says, anytime somebody answers the question with what I'm authorized.

2:15:36 Speaker 4: To tell you, you.

2:15:37 Speaker 2: Should stop listen.

2:15:39 Speaker 3: You should actually exactly thank you.

2:15:42 Speaker 2: Right, he said, they're telling you has been is being controlled, and what they are authorized to tell you, and and all.

2:15:54 Speaker 4: Of that the dominion of a gatekeeper literally keeping the information you are, this person's the information from coming out like.

2:16:03 Speaker 3: The problem.

2:16:05 Speaker 2: So it's it's this idea I think that that we we both are, you know, the sort of or we represent. I shouldn't say, you know, not to limit it to us. But we had the dark horses that just come in and show up and are like, hey, where you know, we're gate crash and the party, and you know, they're like, oh yeah, cool, good to see. But they're going to keep our backs turned to us all night and try and just you know, get us in a corner somewhere and and and not let us in the middle of the room to talk, right, I.

2:16:44 Speaker 4: Tell you Loue Alzando actually blocked me for a minute. I forgot to tell you that I sent to you the stuff.

2:16:49 Speaker 3: But so when I you.

2:16:52 Speaker 4: Literally blocked me when I tried to show him the chats and how it works.

2:16:55 Speaker 1: Jean's got an interesting story here, and that one of the reasons I wanted to bring an No, not that you don't, but you guys have connections that I don't even know if you've touched on yet. But you've both reached out to lou You've both had relationships one ongoing still one not but.

2:17:15 Speaker 2: I would say two not ongoing. Yeah, too much development.

2:17:23 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so we're about to get some. But also Salvator is yeah, right, you reached out to Salvator, right.

2:17:33 Speaker 2: I got his email from Kanyle.

2:17:35 Speaker 5: Oh, well he's He sent me like five of them right off the bat.

2:17:42 Speaker 3: That's the craziest part.

2:17:43 Speaker 4: So when he sent me those patents he sent me I didn't notice it until afterwards he sent me all his personal emails with it. I was like, that's crazy. I thought it was just government to government. No, he had like four or five other personal emails with it. I was like, that's nuts, Like he wants me to talk about.

2:17:59 Speaker 2: It, right. Well, that's what I don't get either.

2:18:01 Speaker 4: It's like he's like to like ask the right questions so he can give the right redcrumb or something.

2:18:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's he answers. He answers in riddles, and I understand the riddles, and I'm like, am I supposed to you know what?

2:18:16 Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't do this information.

2:18:19 Speaker 2: I'm just you know, it's like it's one of those things. It's like you're either gonna help me or you're not. And it's like, never mind. If I got to do this much work, right, you know.

2:18:32 Speaker 4: Like them not saying stuff, it validates like, okay, all this is real.

2:18:36 Speaker 2: Then yeah I'm asking like I'm asking very very simple questions right, Like it doesn't look like anything you've seen before, you know that you can talk about you know, yes, No, I can't really say, you know in good luck and stuff like that. So I'm not looking to develop long term you know, relationships, and certainly not looking at put a lot of effort into two decoding messages. I I just you know, I well, you know, you know ty right. I've always been very consistent about talking about, you know, the meeting I had with Low I've given a lot of time in leeway to see if I was gonna, you know, get any help or direction on what to do.

2:19:30 Speaker 2: And you know, in all of the analysis that I do, I equally weigh him, and you know, the public statements and things like that, like I do with with any of the figures, I do it with with Ross Colthard, who you know, I speak to on a personal level as well. Now that might not always be flattering, but doesn't mean I don't like it, doesn't mean I have problems with you or or anything like that. And I got just a message from Lou that he had understood that I had some sort of issue with it. In the show of it, it was almost like read like a breakup text.

2:20:14 Speaker 2: It was like emotional and you know, I wish you the best and this and that and I'm like and it was just so it was so like person like personal that it just I just found it strange. Like it wasn't like, hey man, somebody said, you know, you were saying something. You know, somebody said you said this, you know, why do you feel like that?

2:20:50 Speaker 1: Life?

2:20:52 Speaker 2: It wasn't like that. So I was just like, you know, and and there's a lot going on, you know. Now obviously with with stuff Ross is saying, and you know, yeah, I'm just like, you know, I mean again, not not that I don't care, not that I don't like, not that, but it's it's, you know, it's like we have of course, that military camaraderie that I have with anyone and everyone who wants to have that camaraderie, you know, love to see a love to chat, love to have a beer, all the rest of it. But at the you know, but at the end of the day, I'm on a mission.

2:21:35 Speaker 2: I have a job that I'm doing. If you're you know, if you're not, if if you know, what brought us together was that job. And I've got a job to do and you're either helping me along with that or you're.

2:21:53 Speaker 1: Not, or you're an obstacle.

2:21:55 Speaker 2: Right, I wouldn't even say an obstacle, you know, but it's just, you know, I'm I'm not gonna I'm not going to get the answers that I need, you know, or that I'm looking for. I'm not getting the you know, anything like that, which is fine. Again, you know, it's that's the way it goes, I understand, But publicly I'm going to talk about it because part of what I'm doing, It's part of the job, the journey, the you know, I've I've been transparent and continue to be transparent about you know, where the works came from and what I'm doing with them and where I'm going.

2:22:37 Speaker 2: And obviously it was very public that I, you know, I had met Lou and people were interested in that, and so you know, I've got to continue on, you know, that journey. And if there's no follow up, there's no follow up. And again, doesn't mean I get a problem with you. Doesn't mean I don't like. It doesn't mean anything.

2:22:56 Speaker 1: It just means that, yeah, right, just means you know, it's run its course.

2:23:02 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean again, maybe there's something in the future or whatnot. But again, I never I never said anything in accurate or you know, a tancatory or or like I had a problem. You know, you're not useful. You're not useful.

2:23:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I want to ask you both something real quick. I know you have something, Kyle, do you want to just say it before?

2:23:26 Speaker 4: I like, because I post videos out there bashing Lou, people are like thank you, and they're like coming to me and being like I'm a retired federal agent twenty years in the service. I saw the same similar things as you. Your story is very interesting. I met with Lou a few weeks ago. He told me he's gonna get me to the right people. Nothing ever is coming of it.

2:23:45 Speaker 1: Mario Woods had that same people like that.

2:23:47 Speaker 3: It's the same. I have people coming out that Wood work like, I have no reason to lie to them.

2:23:51 Speaker 4: They were just they were federal agents who don't want to come out because they're too scared, because they're not going to ruin their career, and nobody's gonna make them serious or listen.

2:23:58 Speaker 3: And they don't have a following. They literally have a neuro social media, so they have no platform.

2:24:03 Speaker 4: Like I have people coming to me and that, Like personally, they're saying I met with Lou and I think he's just spoon feeding me along. And I'm like, these guys are twenty years like more and more qualified than me. Well, you know, like, why are we not listening to them?

2:24:16 Speaker 1: Yeah?

2:24:16 Speaker 2: Again and again it's you know, and you know, you you know your story. There are stories that again not the first time I heard it that it's just you know, that's the pattern. Sit down me, you know, I'm going to do this, this, this, and this, and it doesn't happen. So, you know, again, the only conclusion you can make is that it's an information gathering exercise and it's the sort of you know, testing out personalities and and you know, can can this person be called on to do something? Or is this somebody that we want to position in some way?

2:24:52 Speaker 2: And whatnot?

2:24:53 Speaker 3: And how much do they know?

2:24:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know it's the that's the pattern. The pattern is the pattern.

2:25:01 Speaker 3: Right?

2:25:02 Speaker 2: Do I have a problem with it?

2:25:03 Speaker 3: No?

2:25:03 Speaker 2: Am I going to participate in it? No, I'm you know, gonna I'm gonna write, I'm going about doing this. I'm getting ready to launch a whole new thing, uh, you know, an advancement of the ESERP where I was, you know, my initial intel assessments and things like that, and been working to reframe all of those and I'm going to continue to run with that. And those aren't particularly complimentary and and I think a lot of people won't be particularly happy with any of you know these either, because it's you know, coming at it from a from a different perspective.

2:25:38 Speaker 2: And I said it when I came into this space, and uh, you know, and talk about what I did in my oil and gas experience, and I'm going to do the same thing here and and be a disruptor, you know, unless somebody wants to get me my answers, and I'm going to tear down walls until I get them.

2:26:03 Speaker 3: Say, just tell your version of the truth. That's all you can do.

2:26:06 Speaker 1: So what do you guys make of what Ross Coulthart is saying about Lou right now in the sense that Lou was indeed a part of the UAP legacy program.

2:26:26 Speaker 4: I didn't I personally talked to Ross Coulthart already.

2:26:29 Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, both of you guys have.

2:26:32 Speaker 4: I told him about Lou, but I didn't know that specific part. So I was warning him, like, Lou is not the person he says he is. Here's proof.

2:26:41 Speaker 3: And that was one of the many things I was talking about.

2:26:44 Speaker 4: So it's just I was watched that, and then a couple of weeks later, I'm watching Ross rub elbows with Lou, and I'm like, did he just completely disregard everything I said with actual evidence? Or is he rubbing elbows with the enemy to learn more like you should be doing. I know Ross doesn't want me to talk about this now, But got's already out of the bag with that one. And I didn't give him that specific information, but I just gave him more reassurance that he is not who he says he is.

2:27:11 Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, and I would I wouldn't even go as far as to say, you don't rubbing shoulders with the enemy, right, Ross is a reporter, you gotta go out.

2:27:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody that he talks to.

2:27:21 Speaker 2: So, I mean again, same thing I don't, you know.

2:27:24 Speaker 4: Keeps doing thoroughly is all I mean. I don't mean any disrespect or anything like that.

2:27:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually have more respect for Ross right now than I ever have before.

2:27:33 Speaker 4: I literally said, like Ross, like I got some faith restored.

2:27:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, because what he did was so And this is a huge this is a huge contention point for me because it's further solidifies my suspicion that a lot of these guys, like the how Putoffs, like the Eric Davis Is, like Thebes, they are playing both sides of the disclosure movement. They are playing what they have one foot inside and then one foot in the movement. They're promising the movement disclosure, but they're doing the bidding of the very agencies that have been tasked with this controlled disclosure.

2:28:32 Speaker 1: This we will tell you when we are ready and when we think you're ready. Right, This idea of again the control that they have over us and what information gets out. And it's very frustrating because people prop them up as gods, as celebrities. Kyle, no offense, but when you're talking to Alessando in the beginning, it's like you're talking to a celebrity, right, right.

2:29:06 Speaker 4: We get this, just nervous, all that kind of stuff.

2:29:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, Gene's very new to the community, so I think he was in a very poised position to not have those uh, pre existing notions of who someone might be in the public sphere. So he went into it kind of like no, we're equal, and that's where he had a leg up. I think because he doesn't he he wasn't with the bullshit.

2:29:33 Speaker 4: Yet super And like you knows, I'm not.

2:29:40 Speaker 1: I am not discrediting. There are people that I do it too.

2:29:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, some people, you have to do that at a lot of these people. There are a lot of the people that taught their egotistical maniacs. You have to like stroke their ego before you can have a conversation with them, Yeah, the way.

2:29:57 Speaker 3: You have to be overly qualified to even get their ear.

2:30:00 Speaker 1: So I find that I find that that that you've both been kind of bottlenecked from telling and or or being more involved with the main narrative. And I think I know why. It's because you're you both would it's it's that it's that classic uh story in the UFO field that Greer tells ironically, and it's like someone offered Greer right like he he claims like billions of dollars too, they offered him billions to shut up, and he said, you know, He's like, I will never. And it's like, well, that's the reason that they're never gonna tell you what is going on, because you'll never You're always going to be you two, specifically, your your allegiance is to the people and to your mission.

2:31:00 Speaker 1: It's not to these people and to this narrative. So that's why they're they're they're like, okay, there, we know that they're not willing to play our game.

2:31:10 Speaker 4: I tried to tell them I was before that, but they didn't care. I tried to apply for like DARPA and all sorts of stuff.

2:31:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, again, the problem, the problem is that it's just it's just inconvenient information, right, It's it's things that they don't want to talk about or places they don't want to talk about, places where you know, in Kyle's case very much. You know, they just don't want to have that discussion. And it's like I say, with my stuff, it draws in issues with you know, geopolitics, with Russia, it talked, you know, forces, the discussions about the cooperative, cooperative things, it talks about you know, how it works, and they just want to focus on is it real right now?

2:31:59 Speaker 2: Right in getting that. So it's like I said, there's that, and that's you know, I try to say this over and over again, like the people you know who want to have the consciousness and remote viewing and psionics and you know, vampire cults discussion, you know, vampire alien cults are you know, trafficking children around. It's like, you know what, and again I'm not even trying to pass judgment on it, but in the order of events of things that need to be discussed, you know, in a very real political way.

2:32:45 Speaker 2: And and and that's that's down the road. Right. Let's let's table vampire cult, cannibal human trafficking aliens. Let's table that for now and let's focus on can we get an answer to the core fundamental question that's being you know that that's being asked.

2:33:14 Speaker 3: Can you explain what I saw right?

2:33:16 Speaker 2: Let's stop.

2:33:17 Speaker 3: Can you explain the technology?

2:33:19 Speaker 4: Can you just stop them automatically going to alien Can we explain what we're looking at right, let's.

2:33:24 Speaker 2: Not worry about what we're going to have for dessert for dinner on our next birthday when we just need to have some breakfast right now?

2:33:32 Speaker 4: Today, a lot of people that can explain the tech really well, and it's like, why are we not even having this conversation? If this isn't real, then these people are damned. You're close to building one, so why are we not listening to them anyway?

2:33:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's and that's exactly what I'm going to be coming out with here, and I was going to do it today. I just got lazy and then I saw Tie had a space and I'm like, well, I've got to see who Tie's talking to, because when I'm not there, I still need to stay informed.

2:34:00 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you do.

2:34:01 Speaker 2: What's happening with Total Disclosure Podcast?

2:34:04 Speaker 1: Yes, well we are, We're working together. We are. We are a great team. I honestly couldn't. I couldn't ask for I didn't.

2:34:16 Speaker 4: Even know until like a couple of hours ago. I was like, why does it say that Gene is a producer?

2:34:20 Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, I wonder if that's why I'm on this thing.

2:34:26 Speaker 3: I was like, did you tell him about me?

2:34:28 Speaker 1: No?

2:34:29 Speaker 2: No, I mean it's yeah, it's funny because it happens quite it happens more often than you'd think.

2:34:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, the synchron course.

2:34:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and it's again some people that they're like, oh, you're the producer, you know you're producing that. I'm like, yeah, I'm I'm everywhere.

2:34:47 Speaker 1: Literally, I'm just gonna.

2:34:48 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna jump in wherever I can.

2:34:54 Speaker 1: And that's what's great about about Gene is he doesn't want my me, you, he won't allow it. He's doing it for the right reasons. And Kyle, I said, I really do suspect that you are doing this for the right reasons.

2:35:14 Speaker 4: And I'm only going to get discredited and attack, so there's no benefit to what I'm doing. Yeah, insane, but I'm just too autistic to shut up, and I have to tell my version of the truth.

2:35:24 Speaker 2: Well, my greatest my greatest joy in doing this is I get these pretzels and I eat them before the show to make Tie really nervous that I'm going to eat them into a microphone because they are like the loudest pretzel and that is reward enough for me.

2:35:42 Speaker 1: Mother. It's so I like stare at him. I'm like, dude, I mean, I can.

2:35:56 Speaker 3: No.

2:35:56 Speaker 1: But we'll round out here for the for the main episode. Uh, Kyle, listen, man, Uh, Gene and I have this idea. We'll talk to you about it after the credits roll, So stick around. But we have a lot planned for the future, and there's a lot going on. We're gonna have some fun. Thank you for sharing your story today. Very very brave of you, Uh to be an active again. Thank you for your service, both of you. Thank you for your service to this country. Kyle, thank you for your continued service and Uh for the having the balls to to speak up while still being employed.

2:36:41 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I don't think you understand the value that you bring to a community with with with your your background. And again we talked about this earlier. The scientific aspects of the phenomena right, or at least the scientific investigatory body that we're putting up to. The phenomena where one person lacks another person is an expert, where you know, coming together, there's nothing that we couldn't do. So having more people like yourself in this in this space, it's only going to benefit us because in it generally.

2:37:23 Speaker 1: I said this earlier, it's honestly like kind of and I think it's something that we all suspected. But guys inside Lockey Martin are having these experiences. I think that is a big thing that we need to talk to ourselves about.

2:37:41 Speaker 3: Literally, I was working for Lockey Martin when.

2:37:42 Speaker 1: It happens people are inside the program and they're having these experiences. So how many more Kyle Knops are out there that are just too afraid to step forward? We need to check change the game. So thank you everyone, Stay vigilant, stay humble, most importantly, stay kind. Thank you Kyle as always. Thank you Gene for everything you do for this show and for the community. All right, great job. By the way, you're nervous, but you did a great job.

2:38:20 Speaker 3: Thanks.

2:38:21 Speaker 4: I mean lie about so it's easy. I suppose just see cameras, you know, a little weird.

2:38:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's but you did great. We'd love to bring you up to Boston, my friend. We have something that, like I said, we'll talk to you about after the credits roll. So again, everyone, thank you for listening. We'll be back next week. I with I forget what episode's coming out, but uh, it's a great one. It's an in studio episode, so Jean was behind the keys on it and eating pretzels, so b