GOVERNMENT UFO DROP #4: The Pantex Nuclear Attack & Military Sensor Footage| Total Disclosure

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1:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, everybody, welcome back to Total Disclosure live across the globe. The lines are going to be open tonight. Uh And if you're watching this right now, I need you to pause or whatever else you're doing, you know, mute the other tabs and pay very close attention.

1:52 Speaker 3: Listen. I don't often say things like.

1:58 Speaker 2: The the conversation or the lexicon, or that I think anything actually is needle changing unless I feel different about it, and I actually feel that way, And without trying to sell anything, I'm starting to feel that we are in some sort of shifting paradigm. And it's not because they're just releasing UFO files. It's the way that it feels that disclosure has become a word that is being almost pushed into the public zeitgeist. You know, for eighty years, the global narratives surrounding unidentified anomalst phenomena have been treated, you know, relatively like a joke.

2:41 Speaker 2: So and when we were told it was swamp gas or a weather balloon or just you know, overactive imaginations of people staring too long into the night sky, you know, we were pushed to the fringes as as a community. But as of two days ago. Under the direct you know, mandate of the Pursue Initiative, the US government dumped its force fourth massive tranch of declassified UFO files, forty new files, nineteen raw military and intelligence videos, written logs, audio, censored data from the Pentagon, the CIA, the FBI, and the DOE.

3:16 Speaker 2: And that last one, that last one, the Department of Energy. Keep your eye on that. We have a heavy hitting panel of creators, former military and civilian contractors on the deck to help us dissect the absolute best evidence from this drop. We're digging into the twenty fifteen pantext nuclear weapons facility lockdown where two security officers actively chased a silent diamond shaped craft hovering right over our primary nuclear weapons assembly plant. We're analyzing to some of the jaw dropping footage signed debrief of a twenty eight year old, twenty eight year military aviation veteran that was a mouthful who looked up and basically steered up right in the odds and he admitted it defied any known technology that was you know, earth bound or could have been created here on Earth.

4:09 Speaker 2: So we're gonna break down all that some chillin infrared footage. I saw one bet there was like a six pointed side or so that one really interested me where it's like a perfect six pointed geometric star. And this was tracked by military platforms, And I think this is becoming and why I think it's more important now than ever for people to pay attention is because the government is no longer denying the phenomena. They're kind of attempting to manage your awareness of it. They're dropping it in these rolling stages, and they're forcing us to try to drink from a fire hose of disclosure.

4:49 Speaker 2: And in a world of the twenty four hour news cycle, it seems a little pointed that maybe they're expecting this to just come and go. So with that being said, let's enter the panel of amazing, amazing people.

5:11 Speaker 3: Welcome, salute. I think you guys saying Italian?

5:15 Speaker 4: Right, yeah?

5:18 Speaker 3: Which one is that? I think?

5:21 Speaker 4: Okay, just the nuance of it. You know, you said it like a madagon?

5:30 Speaker 3: What what's Amergon?

5:34 Speaker 5: Like?

5:34 Speaker 4: It's Uhalian Italian slang for an American. How they used to say it with the accent like oh the guys Medica and Medigan.

5:43 Speaker 2: Oh okay, gotcha, I thought you were calling me some like slang like bitch word like never. Ah, well, Geene, Mike veto everyone, thank you for being here.

5:56 Speaker 3: What do you guys? I didn't really get a chance to.

5:59 Speaker 1: Uh.

6:00 Speaker 3: I was gonna have Gene in person, having a little trouble. But we're going to do this. We're gonna call in. Lines are open.

6:06 Speaker 2: I linked the entrance in so anyone can just jump in give your.

6:10 Speaker 3: Thoughts before we start. What did you guys think of this?

6:13 Speaker 2: Uh, this fourth tranche of files? Do you think that we are actively moving any needles? It seems like a question. We've exhausted and you know, talked about ad nauseum, but do you feel a shift in the paradigm? Gene, No, No, just bluntly no.

6:35 Speaker 3: What do you think is happening? And why why roll this out like this?

6:39 Speaker 4: So listen, what you know? This is? This is part of there's there's an entire structure at work underneath all of this, right that has nothing to do with anything that's being released or going to be released. As far as these pursued documents, these are know the vast majority of the fire when we're available already on the National Archives sites, right, we're getting you know, the pantext thing was legitimately knew insomuch as it was and expanded upon what was in I think Tronch two, which was just kind of the cover sheet.

7:27 Speaker 4: So that was good. And so much as the descriptions the it's much more recent. It you know, continues demonstrating the interest of whatever these objects are in our nuclear facilities. So that was good. The one video I was genuinely awed by was the

7:53 Speaker 4: flying pig video, I guess is sort of what everybody's called.

7:57 Speaker 5: It, the card shape thing. I thought it was the one that just it does.

8:01 Speaker 4: Some weird Yeah that I mean that that. Yeah, that one's good too. It's kind of the black shadow with the red dot and you know dot could be some kind of uh signal from you know, them trying to put some targeting or measurement or something like that.

8:18 Speaker 5: It kind of look like think of that. Okay, Yeah, somebody was interesting. But what's crazy is we've been seeing all except for that one that does that. A lot of these we've been seeing, like I've seen that odd shaped pick shape thing before, Like I've seen that before. Yeah, out of these things, which.

8:35 Speaker 4: Is much much better, much better quality, you know, as far as those those images go. Right, So all that being said, you know, how do I how do I you know, stick with my my no assessment. Well again no, no, no analysis of what any of this stuff is and and what's been analyzed so far. There the discussions, you know, the how put off a vy Lobe Jordan Flowers, these these diversions and narrative reframing of well we're gonna you know, we need better data, we need to be forward looking, the doctor phil aspect of it.

9:21 Speaker 4: All of those things plus the idea this is Release four was the longest interval between releases and had the fewest number of files actually released, so it was the small it took them the longest amount of time to get out the smallest amount of materials, and out of those materials, you know, I'd say, there's there's three things that are better than what better than what we've seen, but still don't do anything to move the needle. And around this we have this whole new narrative being being form that again it's I don't think it's so much as to convince the existing community as to provide a framework for the general public just getting introduced to this.

10:25 Speaker 4: But the frameworks that they are are going with, I think we should all be very concerned about for a number.

10:34 Speaker 2: Of reasons, and that that was a point I wanted to get through. Is again is first off, why now?

10:44 Speaker 3: Why this way? And you know several other questions that are derivative of those two. But you know, why what are we not seeing?

10:57 Speaker 5: Like?

10:57 Speaker 3: What are what are?

10:58 Speaker 1: What are?

10:58 Speaker 3: What am I missing here?

11:00 Speaker 2: If they're being so open about it again, it starts to make me think, have they just kind of gone, you know what?

11:07 Speaker 3: Fuck it? They already they already most people out there believe that the cosmos are not empty?

11:14 Speaker 2: Right, most people if you ask them now, like if you took a survey of one hundred people and said, are we alone in the universe? Ninety nine probably would say, you know, statistically, even just statistically, it's not probably not even possible, let alone probable. You might get the one odd religious zello in there. But whereas you know, seventy five years ago you asked that question, it's the exact opposite.

11:41 Speaker 4: So you know, I now, so I'll answer you you know why now? Because now is an inflection point where the administration is trying to move forward a number of really big science related objectives that have to you know, do with get into the moon and and and the private space industry. So I think why now, Partly because the controlled narrative of the past has become less manageable. I think the central figures that we see in this have all positioned themselves to benefit from disclosure. So there's a there's a degree of at of personal interest in which you know, your day, you're Jay Stratton's your how put offs.

12:36 Speaker 4: All of those guys have financial interests in companies that are at the next layer of what's going on, which is the which is the integration layer. So they're advocating for these things to come out because they want to open up the technology for for integration. The government somewhat needs to do it because when they start doing a lot of the stuff that they want to do with the Moon and and you know Mars and and elong Musks projects and and and all of that, they've got a big science gap to suddenly fill.

13:17 Speaker 4: And I think we're going to see this is partly you know, geared toward filling that filling those those knowledge gaps, right and and just from a political standpoint, listen, nobody can argue with transparency. It's a bipartisan issue. But there's a lot more up underneath the underneath the saying oh yeah, but get on the real quick Dan from probe, get on the uh acts and stream there.

13:50 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, come over, come over to YouTube, and then there's UH actually on on X. I also linked it in the That's stupid real I made.

14:01 Speaker 3: That took me thirty seconds to do.

14:03 Speaker 4: So there's a lot of So, you know, I just I think this is motivated by by by geopolitics, This is motivated by economic incentives, where.

14:20 Speaker 5: I like where you're going with that gene, and I'll give the reason. They just you know, Trump, Trump can't help himself, right, Trump gets he sees something, he has to blurt it out, like like like somebody with turets. He just can't is you know what I mean? Red labels? He just can't help himself. He blurted out the med bed thing a few months back and then immediately deleted it, and everyone's like, what the fuck is a medbed, buddy? And now you're hearing all these weird rumors about these things.

14:43 Speaker 5: So I think maybe it could be a technology thing. Maybe it's at the point where like technology is ready to explode past what we have to wear all kinds of shit, anti gravitic med bed stuff. It could be that, it could be it could be a new number of things that could be. We're in trouble and they have no choice but to release it.

15:00 Speaker 6: I mean.

15:01 Speaker 5: And the reason I say that part is they just dropped doctor phil like like literally, what's next Oprah next week to talk about UFOs, Like this guy's never said shit about aliens And now all of a sudden.

15:13 Speaker 4: Well and this is all this is all gets into that you know, frame in the narrative. And for the last couple of months.

15:19 Speaker 5: And I was like soft, it's like slowly breaking it in, you know.

15:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, And over the last couple of months, I'm just starting to you know, get things up and running and publishing a lot of this. You know, the the all of the economic signals are are there in the undercurrents between China, Russia and the US, and they have been uh, you know when they've We've heard it from people about the reverse engineering race and the silent Cold War and all this and that and and the geopolitics of this are all about obtaining the materials that are needed to do a lot of these really to integrate, Yeah, to integrate all these projects.

16:05 Speaker 4: And so you know, these guys who are all involved in this again, all all of these advocates that are running around in these organizations, they each have financial interests in companies that right now are really worth no more than the paper that the company is written on. But because of the access and the knowledge, they are positioned to be able to leverage this as soon as they have knowledge that it's going to you know, it's going to go forward, and you know it might be a couple of weeks lead.

16:45 Speaker 4: So there's you know, there's I'm gonna publish. There's about sixteen indicators that we're going to be looking for that I think when we see these indicators coming within probably three months, is when we're gonna get me announcements.

17:01 Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I think, I think I think the I think the tube is bursting. I think they have no choice but to release something. And that's why we're getting doctor Phil. It's really strange that that guy is now sudden being brought up and he's like, you know what I mean, he's doctor Philly's.

17:18 Speaker 4: Well, we're getting doctor Phil because breaking.

17:20 Speaker 5: It, breaking it to us gently, Like that's what I'm thinking, dude, it's it's.

17:24 Speaker 4: Not just breaking it to it. Listen, you know I wrote it somewhere. Doctor. You know, doctor Phil knows as much about UAPs as I know about Turnip farming in Texas, right, right.

17:35 Speaker 5: But but he's but he's the voice, he's the face, good.

17:38 Speaker 4: Old boy analogies, right, but right exactly, he's you know, he hasn't.

17:42 Speaker 5: All Look, aliens, aren't that bad? They're drying with my leg Like, Yeah, he's incredible.

17:46 Speaker 4: He's a credible figure. You know, his his indignation of the government's line to us for you know, seventy seven years, that's all. You know, it's all on brand, right and where have you been, buddy? Yeah, it's all on brand and and and and consistent. Hold on, hold on?

18:06 Speaker 2: Oh you know, let me logically ask this in a world world, in a world where.

18:17 Speaker 3: Doctor Phil and.

18:20 Speaker 2: Neil deGrasse, Tyson ave Lobe right, being the piece of ship that he is. But Michael Shermer, all these guys, even Michael Shermer, you know, he debated Jesse Michael's on American alchemy. And I don't even know if i'd call it a debate so to say. But you know, Jesse likes to put himself in these situations where whatever I didn't watch it, I won't go there, but he he did. I will say he pressed Michael and some of the those places where I was actually pretty happy, and Michael even admitted to him, He's like, all right, you got me there, Like it's pretty his misconception, like like talking about dark matter specifically, specifically dark matter is like we look at dark matter, or physicists and people look at dark matter, right, and that they're they're saying, we have no idea what it is, but they're labeling it as dark matter, something that like matter is something we absolutely know what it is, and saying calling it dark matter is like, you know, assuming so much shit just because we think ninety percent of the galaxy or the cosmos is being held together by this other shit.

19:36 Speaker 3: We're calling it dark matter, but we don't know what the fuck it is.

19:39 Speaker 2: So he brings that up, and it's like the same thing with you know, UFOs to some degree when you even thinking about it, just a on a principle, right

19:52 Speaker 2: his mind, your mind does this thing where it lends credence to one versus the other when no one is actually saying unidentified flying objects. We know that they exist, right, we know that they exist. There's there's uncategorical evidence for it. Elizondo's now saying there's shit on the moon like every day.

20:11 Speaker 5: But yeah, we did, we just had. We just had three massive drops about it like that. There's no there's no denying it now. And Grush just stood on the step and said, the universe is teeming with life. That is fucking huge, right huge.

20:23 Speaker 2: Fox News is becoming ever more like coast to coast, Right, it feels like I'm watching our news Nation or whatever. So I just I'm looking around and I'm going, Okay, whether we like it or not, this thing is shifting. And I know Gene doesn't think so I see a shift.

20:43 Speaker 4: Well, and I think again, I think we've got to be very cautious between getting excited about things that are said and what's actually happening and what the actual what the actual movements are. And this seems to be again it fits a pattern that where where the institution is failing and the institution is not delivering, then new outrageous claims occupy the air space that prevent us from focusing on the institutional failures and and keeps keeps the discussion from uh being around what's not happening uh and and and again these things are you know, strategically timed.

21:33 Speaker 4: Again, the Loue Elizondo you know discussion was not for us, it was for Japan. So again he's trying to and though even though they know, did you guys watch, we're all going to listen to it and we're going to dissect it. They're they're they're tackling a new market. So he's going to give that new market, you know, some exclusives and something to you know, to to rally the rally the crowd, and you know, expand the expand the narrative there and this is what I say, the whole, the whole super structure above that of the doctor Phils and Ivy Lobes and and and the rest of them, that narrative is forming very differently.

22:23 Speaker 4: And that narrative is you know, and it's funny because I don't know, you know, I know I've said it on here that you know, oh, disclosure coming will be the worst thing in the world to you know, Jeremy Corbel's and that if you know, the White House, as this moves forward, you're going to see the people who are the you know, the experts and the legacy and and you know, the voices of the community are going to drop off. I think the greatest example of that's Stephen Greer. He's totally been sidelined, yeah, already, And.

22:55 Speaker 2: I'm surprised he isn't making more of a more of a bee line to position himself back because that's strange.

23:04 Speaker 5: Nobody's letting him in. I don't think that's.

23:05 Speaker 4: Nobody's gonna let him in.

23:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, year, and I briefed the president back in eighty nine, like people's but.

23:12 Speaker 3: Do you understand that for a very long time, doctor Greer, whether you hated him or loved him, was one of, if not the top person in the field.

23:22 Speaker 5: So that's all we had. Unfortunately we didn't know he was full of shit the truth.

23:26 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, of course, but you see the so Jen's actually vindicated in just this this example, right, this example extrapolated out look at that the grifters are going to get shaken loose with the truth because the truth is inherently exclusive.

23:47 Speaker 3: Right, there's a it's not inclusive. It's not it's not something that's like a little bit of this, a little bit of that, right. It's a truth period when if.

23:58 Speaker 4: You know, I mean, and I can, I can write it all up and I can show you you know, and and and give it to you. But everything I've talked about over the last you know, year and year and one month exactly that i've been you know, involved in this, and when i started looking at the structures and the architecture of all this and how it's operating, I've been. I've been right about everything I've said in the directions that it'll go right. I talked about that controlled disclosure had reached capacity, that we were moving to uh, transition by design, That transition by design would you know, we would know we were there when we started seeing you know, our own institutions integrating the issue into it.

24:45 Speaker 4: We're seeing that the next big sign of transition by design would be our allies beginning to mirror, and we're seeing more and more of that being the you know, the the strongest one so far, you know. So that's why I say, this isn't you know this, This isn't This isn't literally rocket science or UFO science. This is structures and architectures of how secrecy works. And you know, once you understand that, and you start breaking down the incentive structures, then you begin to see, you know, whereas this going.

25:26 Speaker 4: Now, none of it answers the fundamental question of you know, who exactly and what exactly do we have? That's all down deep, but we can definitely say they've got stuff.

25:41 Speaker 5: They know.

25:42 Speaker 4: The answers are there and and there there are paths again, other paths Congress could be taking to get there. But in the same way, Congress has been co opted by the same group, in the same circle that at UH is invested in propagating this long enough that that they get the inside track so that they're ultimately able to, you know, to benefit from it.

26:15 Speaker 3: Agreed. I absolutely, I couldn't agree more.

26:20 Speaker 2: So, I mean, okay, with that being said, you know, did you have anything else to say before I.

26:28 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, yeah, he was there.

26:34 Speaker 6: You know, I'm biting my tongue, but I'm life. I'm live.

26:40 Speaker 3: So that's listen.

26:42 Speaker 6: I'm live from doctor Phil's.

26:43 Speaker 7: I'm looking at the fifth drop because we get early access and it's the same pile of ship as the fourth is. Right, it's balloons, it's air clutter. I mean, that's going to kind of be my position today is like I heard something yesterday that just made me shake my head, and it was that now we are pushing the narrative that all these craft are independently made depending on their mission. You know why that was said because none of the craft match up. You know, even if you look at stuff like the Childhood case where they came down and you know remotely through their mental brains we're talking.

27:16 Speaker 7: Then you go to the one where the aerial, then you go to Rendal Sham where you have radiation, and you go to the nimets where none of those were there. You know, like, none of this matches up, you know, and icy work. I'll let Gene talk a little bit. You see what matches up? You start forming stuff into a circle. What's the same. And because we're just looking at every orb and every shape and all these cameras and it's all nhi, it's gotta be right. The narrative is that somehow this is proof. I mean, like you know, it's just it's kind of getting to me to the point where it's like, where's the craft and bodies?

27:48 Speaker 7: And if they don't have it, we got to really get off this whole war movement.

27:51 Speaker 5: It's just so the only the only thing that you're gonna believe is if it's extraterrestrial, is if you get a body, that's what you're that's the only thing that you're gonna.

27:59 Speaker 3: Well, here's I'm here elusive.

28:02 Speaker 7: If you take a craft that has the observer rules, right, we'll say instantaneous acceleration, these sort of things, guess what you can do. You can find that data link. And what I'm telling you, guys is is the data link for those craft has never came back to anything other than human technology. So again, a craft. What about these you know, orbs that we're seeing? What about all this stuff? You know, We're gonna get into it a little bit today as we move on like we probably should here, and I'm gonna go through some of these cases and tell you what I know about them.

28:37 Speaker 7: And guess what, it's sure the hell they nhi orbs that you're seeing. So that's why I kind of just bit my tongue till we get going on the videos.

28:45 Speaker 4: Yea, and yeah, and and I'll agree, you know, I mean, I think again, and I know I've said it myself, you know, in talking about the different uh you know, the different shape sizes, and and and all of that. I think there's you know, again, definitely the the you know, the logic extreme that you to be able to say, all right, you know something is going to be fit for purpose, and you know, whatever the purpose of that object is, you know, would undoubtedly have a you know, have a different shape or size or or or what have you.

29:21 Speaker 4: Again, doesn't mean any of it is nhi. And you know, Mike and I have you know, spent many hours having these discussions about that, you know, the idea that I think there I agree the vast majority of what we're seeing is probably Broseic, probably belongs to a nation, you know. I think there's certainly, you know, if not unexplained things, unexplained origins out of those, you know, I still hold to again the the the origins ultimately

30:01 Speaker 4: still being sort of beyond uh beyond Earth at some point, but not everything that we're seeing now fair.

30:10 Speaker 3: I think that's fair. I actually did want to, I am.

30:14 Speaker 2: I actually didn't watch that whole Doctor Phil video, so I think it's not like two minutes long, so I have it here before we jump into the main file set.

30:22 Speaker 3: Let's see what, uh, let's see what. Because we talked about this in the in the group chat.

30:27 Speaker 2: But like I feel like a lot of people forgot that, like doctor Phil is like an OPRAH spin off, and like I don't even think.

30:35 Speaker 3: He's is he a real doctor?

30:37 Speaker 4: Isn't it like kind of like he was, Yeah, he was not practicing anymore.

30:42 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, isn't it kind of like a Bill Nye situation?

30:45 Speaker 1: Though?

30:45 Speaker 3: Right exactly?

30:46 Speaker 5: And it was like it was like a fucking springer for Christ's sake, catch me outside, how about that? Like come on, yeh, we're talking about rut it bringing out and so I'm like, there's gotta be some weird going on.

31:00 Speaker 7: I will just say this, there are degrees you can get in ufology as long as you won't pay enough money.

31:07 Speaker 6: I mean, like does that make it any better?

31:08 Speaker 1: Right?

31:08 Speaker 6: I mean like there's no you know.

31:11 Speaker 4: I mean, like.

31:13 Speaker 7: I'm not bothered about the fact that he's not a practice and you know, doctor a psychologist. It's just the idea of like what he is practicing his entertainment, right, And here we go and they.

31:22 Speaker 5: Wheel him out there, so we're just gonna buy a hook line and singer and they're just like okay, and now I believe this idiot.

31:26 Speaker 7: And it does kind of look like they polished him up and maybe he got his wax figure ready he's looking on.

31:35 Speaker 5: Yeah, he looked extra smooth. Well, I'm doctor. Maybe he's an alien.

31:42 Speaker 3: Oh that was a good one, man, hard all right?

31:46 Speaker 8: Who?

31:47 Speaker 5: All right?

31:48 Speaker 3: Can you can you hear it? Just let me know, just give me a thumbs up if you can hear it?

31:53 Speaker 6: It is I did.

31:54 Speaker 5: Nope, nope, nope, yeah, yeah, wait it's new. It down there. Look on the right. You see the little volume.

32:03 Speaker 3: Is it muted?

32:04 Speaker 5: Doctor Phil looked at the right corner bottom right corners the muted.

32:07 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, could cats man years?

32:10 Speaker 9: Hey's doctor Phil here. I'm talking to here this morning because me and my team at Envoy Media.

32:16 Speaker 3: Can you hear it?

32:17 Speaker 4: Yes?

32:18 Speaker 3: Okay.

32:19 Speaker 10: I's by the White House and the Department of National Intelligence to the new tranche of information about UAPs you may refer to them as UFOs, and we are very deep into that.

32:36 Speaker 9: Two things have become apparent to me. Number one, I am absolutely furious that our government has been lying to us for at least seventy nine years, lying to us by omission, I think, actually creating some misdirection that's one thing. Number Two, it's very clear that there are objects in our atmosphere here on Earth that are not of Earth. They're doing things, they're moving in ways that we just simply don't have the ability to do so. To me, that's not a question that is well demonstrated. One of the things that's curious about this, and I think disturbing, is that they seem to be focusing at times around our nuclear facilities.

33:17 Speaker 9: As far back as nineteen forty nine, you actually held a conference about this hidden from us, the Los Alamos COmON.

33:24 Speaker 6: You just ed over the position of pse it's.

33:27 Speaker 9: An expert on meteorite as they were trying to say that maybe these are meteoritistic, they were very large green objects. To do that, experts said, no, these are not meteors. Meteors don't move horizontally, they don't maintain their speed, were moving with intention, they were navigating, they were moving. And these have been observed over five cities, all having a peculiar facilities. As recently as twenty fifteen. They were observed over the pan Text facility in Amarillo, which is a new clear facility that should bother you.

34:03 Speaker 9: And the same thing over talking to you about this? Why me from a life here? At some point this matters. This matters to mankind, It matters to our value systems.

34:13 Speaker 4: What does it mean?

34:14 Speaker 9: What do we say to our children? If there is life that's not human? What does it mean to all of us? We're very deep into this. I'm going to be bringing you more information throughout the day, so stay tuned.

34:26 Speaker 4: We're going to catch you up. I am.

34:29 Speaker 5: So they expected, they expected all these drops to send people to make them go crazy, and it didn't. It didn't get the reaction that they thought that it would get. So this is why he's like, this is real. The government is you know what I mean? Like they brought this guy out to basically walk the every day age better than low true. True. And I'm not saying I have a problem with it with the everyday man seeing this. I'm okay with the everyday person waking up and going, fuck, we're not alone. This is legit.

34:56 Speaker 4: But he.

34:59 Speaker 2: Him, Okay, good point, Mike, Uh, fair enough. I'll give you that one. He said, what guy's watching, doctor Phil. He's got a good point. He's got a good point. But what what it really does, though, is it it does reach those mothers who in turn have children.

35:22 Speaker 3: The women of this world, you know, hated or love it.

35:26 Speaker 2: I know, like the nick went, actually I won't go there. I probably shouldn't go there. Definitely shouldn't go there.

35:33 Speaker 3: Hated or hated her love it?

35:34 Speaker 6: But I switched, thank you good.

35:39 Speaker 3: No it didn't.

35:40 Speaker 5: It didn't.

35:41 Speaker 3: It went love hated or love it.

35:44 Speaker 2: Women are the they they usher in the spark of life, so and then they hold a very special place to their children. I mean, it's it's it's it's a no brainer to to to want to target that demographic with something this big because.

36:04 Speaker 4: In that audience too, of course, right, yeah, for sure, yeah, of course.

36:10 Speaker 5: And it's gonna be on the view next you'll see it's you're gonna see you're gonna see whooping and him talking about it.

36:14 Speaker 7: But it gets weird when all people become the same age as as though.

36:18 Speaker 5: You know is true we are.

36:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, But I do like the thought, or at least the idea.

36:24 Speaker 2: And this is something I because I've talked about it's like what the bigger ideas of disclosure might be. And I do think he raised a fair point about like what does this why should this matter? And and it should matter because if there is life outside of Earth, right, then that changes something in us where we should see ourselves in the universe, where we don't maybe feel so isolated, right, Like it's it's kind of weird because right now, you know, I look to the stars and I'm not sure if I see anything looking back.

36:58 Speaker 2: But I think once so we truly like know, right what I mean, a few of us have had sightings, like we we know what we might have saw. I was never abducted, I've never seen a being, so but once we know that something is actually looking back at us, I think that does fundament fundamentally change. Like you sit down at the table and like there's not just the sex talk anymore. Now it's the Hey, there's also fucking things that we don't we don't even understand, like that talk the phenomena but talk.

37:32 Speaker 4: But you're right, you know, and and and that's good and you know, I mean you you know, you're preaching to the choir on that one for the most part, right everybody, you know, everybody gets that. But you know, what you played was one of I think three videos that he put out, and you know, there was an interview he did on CNN. And that's where that's where I start having problems with what was said, right, because he in all in those interviews he talks about so he does all of that framing, which is great.

38:11 Speaker 4: And listen love the idea Luna posted on on Instagram. You know there's gonna be other influencers that are coming out and going to be talking about this.

38:22 Speaker 3: And is that what doctor philer?

38:25 Speaker 5: Right?

38:26 Speaker 4: But the problem is the narrative, right, and when you get part when you get past the you know, bringing this all of those existential questions into view and and and how do we deal with that what they're saying and what doctor phil described was number one the credibility, primarily the credibility of the people of the you know that that that this information is coming out through right, which again is good. Right, there's a lot of military, there's government officials, highly credible people talking about this.

39:06 Speaker 4: But he prefaces that with people too drunk to you know, instead of stories from people who are too drunk to fish.

39:17 Speaker 3: Right, which is a direct shot uh, which I actually do, which is a.

39:22 Speaker 4: Direct shot at it. Everybody, you know, if we're being honest, because what is so you know, you've got him saying that, repeating that over and over. We've got a VI lobe. If you noticed in things a VI lobe is saying about the you know, science has to lead the way that you know, you can't pay attention to this online community and and and all the rest of it. Those those are the the early shots across the bow that the way they want this to go is that that it is the information that is coming out through the government and through these these figures who are former government officials and whistleblowers who we all have been critical of because of the pre approved pipeline and what I can say and what I can't say and all the rest of it.

40:25 Speaker 4: And you know, I'm telling you now listen for it and everything else that comes out. Their goal is to make what comes out from the government the source of truth. And I argued with the Joe a little bit about this over X because we're replacing one form of narrative control with another form of narrative control. Right we are. The system that we've been critical of has not changed, which is what we were looking for. The methods that they're using or changing.

41:08 Speaker 2: You're and I actually have said this on several occasions. I do think you are topped, You're you're tapped into something that is very very It's like intrinsically a conundrum. Right, we are the same entities that have been withholding that very information for ninety plus years are the worst that trust. Well not just that, but they have people stomping their feet demanding answers. And the only part, the only entities that they are willing to accept answers from are the very ones who and to see that the dragon eating its tail here, it's the dragon eating its tail all Actually it's that's right behind me.

41:58 Speaker 4: So this is what I'm saying. This is why you know again I you know, I just caution everybody to to tamper their excitement and their enthusiasm over what's happening, because next thing, you know, we're right back where we started, right and and you know, I've talked about it with the Scientific Council, you know, And whether Avy Lobe knows it, realizes it, or ever will realize it, he's a pressure relief valve. That council is a pressure relief valve that as things move forward, they the Council will give them the ability to slow the flow by just saying inconclusive data.

42:47 Speaker 4: We need to collect new data. We've got to you know, wait, right, We've just we've just got to wait. We've just got to be patient. All of all of which is true.

42:58 Speaker 3: But but here's the problem is Afi doesn't mind being that guy.

43:03 Speaker 2: He he actually wants to be that guy. And that's why they also have people like you fucking stop moving.

43:16 Speaker 6: Let me let me just jump in real fast on that.

43:18 Speaker 3: On that then, I'm sorry.

43:22 Speaker 7: Jean's got a good point here. I think we're doing stuff asked backwards. We're trying to rally the troops and get as many people as we look at this without the evidence that we need. So the other way around, I mean, you can be a disgrace journalist and you can be a you know, key speaker, you can write a book, and then you can be a disgraced congressman that's got to resign before the investigation comes out so that isn't released. I mean, and then you can just be welcomed into this community as like you're a hero because you're talking about UFOs.

43:53 Speaker 7: And so we're bringing all these people in with doctor Phil, the religious sectors coming in because they know nobody in this community needs proof. They just need stories to make money. And what's everybody looking at right now? You're looking at UFOs, too big a move interdimensional portals on National Force Service land. No proof for any of this ship?

44:11 Speaker 4: How many species of air area?

44:12 Speaker 7: Yeah, you're counting on one of these drops releasing the proof to all these people were bringing in. Yea, they're ain't a fucking thing coming. So we all look like idiots, and it's going to kill the movement. That's my that's my two cents.

44:24 Speaker 4: And and and the thing about it is what are we What are we not talking about?

44:28 Speaker 11: Right?

44:29 Speaker 4: So we're not talking about them, you know what they've done to strip Burleson's amendment. We're not talking about Miter whose response was due last Monday. Now they I guess they come back from you know, Burlison, didn't they find a lot to talk about while you know, while they are on breaks. That's good one, right, they didn't or some ship I don't know, but that was due on the sixth the end of June the thirtieth. There was supposed to be more Arrow. There was supposed to be a classified Arrow briefing.

45:03 Speaker 4: There's supposed to be another ARROW document that was presented. None of that stuff has come out, and nobody's asking any questions about any of that stuff because now we've got we've got the German wing to look at in dissect.

45:24 Speaker 3: So are you saying that?

45:32 Speaker 2: Okay, I guess I see where you're both going here. Again, it's the look in the left hand right, so that that doesn't you don't see what else I'm doing. But it's a lack of what we're doing over here that is actually the problem.

45:44 Speaker 7: It's a timeshare scheme everybody, right, We're pulling everybody in some great deal. You can't go without it. And now we're locking in your room until you sign the papers. We've got nothing to show you.

45:54 Speaker 3: But was this not inevitable?

45:57 Speaker 4: Was it not?

45:59 Speaker 3: Was this phase?

46:02 Speaker 2: Was it ever going to be this transition period? I feel like transitions are always tough, So was it not always going to be a bit muddy?

46:11 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's I feel like it's a tug of war here.

46:14 Speaker 6: I don't think it's a transition.

46:15 Speaker 7: I think it's just he gave the people with the big stories more power and a platform.

46:20 Speaker 6: Here we go, it's the next guy.

46:23 Speaker 4: I mean, there's and and again you can call it overly simplistic. But you know, sometimes the beauty is and the things that are overly simplistic. Right, what was you know, what what's an alternative disclosure path? An alternative disclosure path could have been, you know, could have started with with a statement, right, could have started with the there are things we can't explain. We have through the through the decades, there have been a number of organizations that have attempted to do it. There are organizations with in the government today whose job it is to do that.

47:04 Speaker 4: We are going through all of the documentation we have and we're going to make that documentation public through a declassification project. And you know, the reason is because there's sensitive data. There's sensitive you know about our systems and this and that. But to this point, you know, we have or we have not determined that you know, any of these things pose a direct imminent threat. We need to discern what could potentially be foreign technology from again what truly remains anomalous, and we are going to be transparent about that process and particularly about the things that we know are truly anomalous as we go through this process, and we're going to share that information going forward.

48:02 Speaker 4: And here's the time frames in which we're going to do this, and here's the committee that has been put together that you know, and who's going to lead this process to ensure that there is transparency and integrity you know as we go forward.

48:20 Speaker 2: That actually doesn't even sound bad to the ears, Like it's not like a for some reason, like you know, I think everyone thinks about this disclosure moment.

48:30 Speaker 3: Of course, it's like the.

48:31 Speaker 2: President and I feel like everyone everyone secretly sees like either JFK. Barack Obama, someone who's really like well spoken, yeah, coming up to the podium and my fellow Americans people of the world delivering a fucking power speech about how we're like in this together. It's like the Independence Day speech, but obviously not being invaded, right, But that's the we are going to We.

48:57 Speaker 4: Are going to coordinate with our allies for the information that they have.

49:01 Speaker 2: It's that pipe dream that what you just said, very total, aliens, very That's what I said, aliens. A Trump UFO disclosure speech would be the fun, the highlight of like if we really want to prove we're in assimilated reality, that has to happen.

49:26 Speaker 4: Because Dan from Probe joined us from bring them up to the stage.

49:30 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, welcome Dan.

49:33 Speaker 2: A Trump disclosure would be so because you know that there would be something in there as a jab to someone or again, yeah, you know there would be some fucking dumb spin on it that you just wouldn't.

49:51 Speaker 5: They're coming down to get Michelle Obama. She's an alien, you know, it's crazy ship.

49:57 Speaker 2: There would be something in it that would just be utterly and it would just be funny. But beside the point, let me let let's this video this this, this is one. So this is the United States Department of War's website. This is where they're sharing all the tranches of files if anyone wants to. If anyone didn't know, I'd be very surprised at that. But the it's war dot gov slash UFO and then you know you can go through everything. But there's this video here. So this is the United States Indo Pacific Command.

50:36 Speaker 2: They submitted a report of unidentified and almost phenomena to the to Arrow, consisting of eighteen seconds of video footage from an infrared sensor aboard a US military platform in twenty twenty five.

50:51 Speaker 3: Now I find that part, of course.

50:54 Speaker 2: Very interesting, because this aspect that everything's like from two thousand and four.

51:00 Speaker 4: That is not the case.

51:03 Speaker 5: It's newer stuff, right. Also we already see a ship like this another in the earlier ones. This is different, right, This is a different video.

51:10 Speaker 3: I think it is now.

51:13 Speaker 2: Maybe someone can discern that between the other guys. But real quick, I want to I want either Mike or Gene or the plebe for the normal person. What is an infrared sensor? Why does the video look like this? I think a lot of people have these kind of questions. Maybe we can have a little opportunity to answer them. Why would a military craft and not have four K fucking clear video? Why are they using infrared?

51:44 Speaker 7: Yeah, so keep in mind you let's just take flying. If you ever go up and fly a plane, you do your flight license, you start by visual, so you would follow basically a highway to the next spot. But really to get your license, they're gonna actually put basically a blind full over the top of your eyes where you can only see your instrument and you have to get instrument rating, weather fog, just getting kind of dizzy up there. Your actual instruments will tell you where you're at at In the old JFK Junior in the storm right, where's the prize, And so we have to go with sensors because sensors will give us the actual scientific the actual measurement or sheltitude lvision.

52:22 Speaker 7: So now this gets a little confusing because there's things like white hot, black hot. But what you're seeing here is essentially and there are four K type of cameras on gun cameras and different stuff by all means that we haven't seen. But what you're just seeing here is it's probably looking.

52:38 Speaker 6: Through the night.

52:39 Speaker 7: I don't know what the time is on this one, or the day or the clouds, and sometimes even in the light you can't see what's on the other side of the cloud. So this is kind of like the peeking through and seeing it. So what we're seeing is one's hot and one's not, which creates either the grayish or the dark black.

52:54 Speaker 5: It's essentially a thermal imaging camera, which is what we use in a fire service to see through smoke. So because you can't see a fucking thing struct fire, you can see it.

53:02 Speaker 2: In this In this video, black is hot or black is the the environment is white, so the environment around it is the lighter color. Yeah, just so they can switch that though, like we've seen in many videos of course.

53:22 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, And just real quick on this because this is kind of a misconception. It's not actually heat you're picking up as radiation, which sounds scary, but radiation is the physics of molecules moving in your body, which would create what you think is heat. So what we're actually looking at is radiation, which does make the physics part of it a little more manageable of what you're seeing and not seeing. But that may come up later in these videos where there is cheap cameras that just simply pick up heat, they're pretty shitty.

53:50 Speaker 7: You don't get a clear photo. But when you get setting more clear like this, like look the lines, that's going to be a high dollar.

53:57 Speaker 10: Yeah.

53:57 Speaker 3: I find this one, so we'll hit play. It's only fifteen seconds. You can see it's what.

54:04 Speaker 5: I so, Yeah, that's totally different than the other thing. The other thing was more, there was more uh spiky. Yeah, that good, good way of putting it, for sure. Absolutely. I wonder if they're linked in some way, shape or form. That's even still whatever, what the fuck is that? Like, we don't have anything that looks like that to my knowledge. What is that?

54:23 Speaker 3: What is what do you think.

54:25 Speaker 2: I gotta ask why what's that black? Why why blackout whatever that is next to it? Because what what what could that politic.

54:36 Speaker 4: It might be They might be measuring it. Yes, yeah, the size of the object.

54:44 Speaker 5: So that's targeting radical, Yeah for sure.

54:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was gonna ask like, could something be there that they like they were like, no, they can't see that part.

54:53 Speaker 5: Yeah.

54:54 Speaker 4: Sure.

54:55 Speaker 6: Again the need for it to be blocked out.

54:57 Speaker 7: I don't think it's something to where if we had the answer, say oh got him, it's right now.

55:02 Speaker 2: So this is yeah, this is you know what I will say, whether this is like some sort of drone technology that is being deployed or like, put that aside for a second. What I do find interesting about these kind of sightings is.

55:23 Speaker 3: Like almost like the.

55:23 Speaker 2: Religion, the religious symbology, your head immediately jumps to and if this is what they are saying it is, well not even what they're saying it is, but if this was non human, if this thing is non human, and that one that Vitos talk about from the earlier file, if those are non human vehicles.

55:45 Speaker 3: It and it's weird how it sparks this like there's a cross right.

55:49 Speaker 5: There like, and we've seen it in artwork throughout religious art work, our entire all throughout the Bible's history. You see it all throughout religious paintings those.

56:00 Speaker 2: Is that not what could have been seen to to to then say look there's God. This is the symbol of God fucking cross right.

56:10 Speaker 5: Now, you're not saying, you're not saying that that's Jesus, but for sure that listen, aliens could have been mistaken as for sure as God's back.

56:18 Speaker 6: It's kind of them things.

56:19 Speaker 7: So I want to like repeat back to you guys what you just said, because that's how you tell somebody they're crazy. You guys just said somehow this is related to aliens, God across.

56:29 Speaker 6: Let me tell you what it's not.

56:30 Speaker 7: It's not five foot lizards, it's not Nordics, it's not the CIA hunting cross breeds on twenty three and meters. It's none of that bullshit. It's some fucking space junk. And it's got some floats that you can see because the cross, the cross and the X and everything else extend. This is a fucking surveillance bloon that floated in. Also, keep in mind that Arrow released this because they saw this one this is not the two or three percent erro doesn't know what they are right now, Aarrol's laughing their ass off because they got exactly what piece of styrophone whatever fuck it is that floated over and they're letting us do this ship, and they're gonna let us do this ship for a whole year.

57:07 Speaker 4: You know, it's funny because I thought about it the other day another show. I mean, they're, you know, three hours and you know, analyzing videos and you know, well, you know it could be this, it could be and I you know, and I just sit there thinking to myself, like people who work on these videos for countless hours don't know what it is, right, People who are trained ship experts and they have the benefit of all of the data can't exactly discern what it is. Why do we think we're going to.

57:47 Speaker 6: It's aliens?

57:51 Speaker 5: So you're just so anti alien it'sucking. Tell me what that is. That's a balloon.

57:59 Speaker 6: You can see the string coming down, Vita, your assholes.

58:01 Speaker 4: A balloon, no.

58:05 Speaker 3: Being, I actually do see the balloon.

58:09 Speaker 6: That thing with wings fla it's a it's.

58:11 Speaker 4: A bur What is it.

58:14 Speaker 2: Is it?

58:14 Speaker 5: It's a red balloon. Zoom in on it can we zoom.

58:18 Speaker 6: No, I don't.

58:19 Speaker 2: I don't have that movie technology where you could just box it and make it bigger zoom.

58:27 Speaker 3: The bad guys always have the ground.

58:31 Speaker 2: TV and somehow it's the no pixelation, no pixel increase or decreasing quality.

58:40 Speaker 3: I will say this one does.

58:42 Speaker 5: But what are they what are they claiming it is in the writing? What do they?

58:45 Speaker 7: I released that in third grade in school, we all want out released red balloons. The little thing on it where there goes?

58:51 Speaker 6: That's what the hell?

58:52 Speaker 4: It is?

58:52 Speaker 5: Still flying losses balloon and eight he's still he's still never letting it go. That's the balloon right there floating on.

58:57 Speaker 3: Are you all joking aside?

59:00 Speaker 5: For thirty seconds?

59:01 Speaker 3: Like all again, please all joking aside?

59:04 Speaker 4: What is that?

59:05 Speaker 3: Wait? What the fuck?

59:06 Speaker 5: Yeah? What's going on there? Well?

59:08 Speaker 4: That's the thing you think about some of these videos is that there are points where there's you know, interference. I think some of these it's the interference that becomes more anomalous than the objects themselves.

59:21 Speaker 3: Is this just a cloud cover or is this it trying to re establish?

59:25 Speaker 2: What I'm asking is, Yeah, if you saw that thing that, if you're the guy, if you're in the targeting pod. Right, you're the guy controlling this camera and you see that thing, whatever it is that you call it a balloon, whatever it is, Why if it's so easily identable, identifiable, why is there a five minute video of a fucking balloon?

59:47 Speaker 1: Is it?

59:47 Speaker 3: Do you have to just videotape everything you see out there for a data collection? And like, is that your like? Is that his job? Like, hey, shit, something's there, doesn't matter what it is, get eyes on it so we can So.

59:59 Speaker 5: To answer that question, you would need Logan because that's literally what he would do.

1:00:03 Speaker 6: Logan would be a good guy. But let's just go back to what we know.

1:00:09 Speaker 7: And one of the things that has been said over and over, whether you like Kirkpatrick or not, is that people would send in things and say it's probably a balloon. And he said this in an interview, so is everybody else. And they say, well, then why the hell did you send it in? They research it, they spend six months on it. It's a balloon. What do you think Errol's going to release that two or three percent to us, this is what we're seeing here. This is one that came in probably thought.

1:00:31 Speaker 6: It was a balloon.

1:00:32 Speaker 7: Now here we are, you know, the whole world's nhi. It's just it's so simple. It's a balloon.

1:00:38 Speaker 4: And to your question of you know what, you know, why are they going to track him for five minutes, Well, you know, very again, assuming that there's a you know, military operations going on in the area, it's something that's unexpected, so they want to identify it and they might be running it through several sets of eyes. Is this one of ours? Is this something that we know about, you know, from a country nearby? What other you know, what other ships are in the area, what other they're trying to gather information and track this thing to, you know, identify you know, friend or foe.

1:01:13 Speaker 4: Is it, you know, potentially a threat?

1:01:16 Speaker 5: Well, okay, I'm okay with a five minute clip. I'm not okay with an eighteen second clip. I think that's stupid because it shows you nothing. You know, they filmed it longer than eighteen seconds, show us that's what they filmed it for.

1:01:27 Speaker 3: That's actually a good Hey who's this guy?

1:01:29 Speaker 5: Hey, we're probe go.

1:01:31 Speaker 3: That's actually a good point.

1:01:33 Speaker 4: That dropped off because nobody talked to him.

1:01:37 Speaker 7: I'm sorry he dropped off because Vito keeps calling him Probe instead of Dan.

1:01:41 Speaker 5: Well, I didn't want to call him Dan because I didn't know if i'd say his name. I don't know. He wants his name out there.

1:01:45 Speaker 3: That's why I didn't even know. I'm sorry he was He's free to jump in at any any time.

1:01:54 Speaker 5: Yeah, please, dude, like and and this is the guy to speak to because he archives all of it. Like if you so, I thought I was gonna say, but we I wouldn't shut up. I'm sorry, Probed. If anybody doesn't know Probe is, go to his site on x It's awesome. You can search everything by keyword and it'll all pop up. You can search a bunch of different UFO topics. His site is amazing.

1:02:15 Speaker 3: Oh that's really cool.

1:02:17 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's awesome.

1:02:18 Speaker 3: That's really cool. Hey, what's up, Gino?

1:02:20 Speaker 6: Hey Veto, We're.

1:02:22 Speaker 7: I thank he actually said his name on your show, so dance should be all right. But yeah, hey man, I was looking at videos of balloons and uh, we're.

1:02:31 Speaker 5: Looking at videos of Mike's asshole.

1:02:33 Speaker 12: I'm sorry, I do believe a lot of this is balloons. A lot of what we especially this one.

1:02:40 Speaker 3: Looks old school. This looks old school. Huh, why does look like it's from like eighteen I mean.

1:02:50 Speaker 6: Finish, no said balloons, he's getting cut off.

1:02:53 Speaker 12: Yeah, this is the best podcast ever, the one that you showed, uh, previous to this. It's just to me, it just it was showing something hot, but the geometric pattern, and it is what happens with the all cameras when you're.

1:03:13 Speaker 8: Showing something that that is very bright or hot.

1:03:17 Speaker 12: So I didn't see anything that that in that last one that like showed anything anotialist to me.

1:03:28 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that's what happens to a camera.

1:03:32 Speaker 7: That wasn't aliens displaying the cross to think that they were God, because that's what That's.

1:03:38 Speaker 5: Not what I said. I said. I said, I'd see how people from back in the day could miss mistake the aliens for God. Like when you see that in the sky, that's the same ship you see in religious paintings. You see that thing, dude, that's in every religious painting you've ever seen ever, like that weird.

1:03:54 Speaker 6: Star shape thing and religious painting.

1:03:57 Speaker 5: But that but that's what I'm saying. It's depicted religious pictures, paintings, drawings, the Man in the Last.

1:04:04 Speaker 6: Dinner painting, Veto.

1:04:07 Speaker 4: It's not on the Last Supper, it's not in any kind of audios.

1:04:10 Speaker 3: But it is.

1:04:12 Speaker 2: But it does track with what you're saying with the it's a combination of what Mike said and what Gino just brought up. So it's almost like a flare, but it's a radio radio radial flare, so you're seeing the hotness because it's not an actual image like Mike. Like, like Mike said, which is why I practiced it by asking someone with what infra it is, so you're not always getting a clean image of what that actually represents the object. What we're seeing is the radiation, so that radiations then being picked up by the camera and then the camera's doing the flare part where it then gives it that geometric shape or doubling of doubling down of shapes, right, it kind of like it will radiate essentially, So it does makes it I see what you guys are saying.

1:05:01 Speaker 2: Of course, I'm simply and I did say, put that, put that part aside. Put if it's a balloon aside. Is it not that your head does just kind of go there when you see a shape like that?

1:05:13 Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting?

1:05:15 Speaker 2: How even when light like when you look up at the sun right, sometimes it will flare itself into a cross. I find that to be interesting that people worshiped the sun as a god. And like you see this common kind of uh symbology and things. And whether it's paradolia or not, there's a reason we have paradolia. It's because that stuff looks familiar to us. So when we see a military video off said image that gives that star, I forgive me if if if I get a little.

1:05:48 Speaker 6: Excited, of course I here a forgiven right.

1:05:51 Speaker 8: What you guys, well, I get think a lot.

1:06:00 Speaker 5: How about you guys talk about did you fall?

1:06:04 Speaker 3: You fucking and ship? He like priested me if no one got.

1:06:10 Speaker 5: The joke, Oh, I painted. I posted the religious paintings with Upho's in it in the.

1:06:17 Speaker 4: In the chat, I don't want to post. I want you to name them.

1:06:24 Speaker 5: I don't know the names of them. Start.

1:06:29 Speaker 6: Yeah, we can go on on a baut ty. What do you for the next one? Brother?

1:06:34 Speaker 2: The paintings he's talking about are like, uh, the the you know what when she told him Jesus up?

1:06:40 Speaker 3: What's that one called?

1:06:42 Speaker 2: Uh? It's like the Christ Jesus christening of Jesus or whatever. I'm not good but religion. But there's like there's a bunch of paintings.

1:06:52 Speaker 4: Where you see like, uh, I know, I know, I just want to see you struggle.

1:06:57 Speaker 5: He's just breaking my balls. He's just trying to get me to to show that I'm stupid.

1:07:00 Speaker 3: But this one looks older?

1:07:02 Speaker 4: Is it just me?

1:07:03 Speaker 3: Or does this look older? And or is this from like one of those.

1:07:07 Speaker 5: Like uh hu, I can't even tell where the UFO is. That's first of.

1:07:10 Speaker 3: All, is this a hot display of some sort.

1:07:14 Speaker 7: To be you're I mean, you know how it is like we go back when the spy one came out and they had to redo all that equipment for the I mean look, I mean.

1:07:22 Speaker 5: Tell me the file.

1:07:23 Speaker 4: The file will tell you when it was taken.

1:07:24 Speaker 7: Yeah, it may not necessarily be older, but the equipment's older or probably sitting from a helicopter or something not as high tech as they f thirty five or something.

1:07:32 Speaker 5: Wait, so is it the thing that's right in the middle there? What are we looking at?

1:07:35 Speaker 7: I can't tell you that there right, you're looking at it interdimensional portal on NACE service L that's guarded.

1:07:43 Speaker 3: Okay, but you have to admit this one.

1:07:44 Speaker 5: Oh wait, wait, was it the thing that just flew by?

1:07:46 Speaker 4: It was the black things. The thing in the center is the orientation of the aircraft.

1:07:50 Speaker 5: And now it's turning all right, the black thing that just went because I'm looking at a slideshow. You guys got a slide show, right, No, this is a no.

1:07:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the the there's so much like traffic to this website that it's been lagging over the past like that.

1:08:04 Speaker 5: Yeah. I wasn't sure if that was that or if it was the.

1:08:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought I actually thought that that that thing in the middle was yeah, no, but it's.

1:08:12 Speaker 5: It's the two black things that go straight.

1:08:14 Speaker 4: That's the orientation of the craft.

1:08:16 Speaker 5: Yeah. It goes literally across the middle from the thirty five to the twenty five, from the top right to the left.

1:08:21 Speaker 2: Okay, all right. That video sucked anyway, though, much like they all probably.

1:08:25 Speaker 5: Do, for it was right there to think in the middle.

1:08:31 Speaker 3: So this is the Gulf. I like how they labeled it Gulf of America.

1:08:35 Speaker 5: They're fucked up.

1:08:36 Speaker 3: See no they renamed it.

1:08:40 Speaker 5: Oh I know, I know, I know it's fuck it they I know they just so I.

1:08:46 Speaker 3: Don't really want to go through all of these but Jesus.

1:08:49 Speaker 12: Christ, here's how I feel about everything that's been released so far, and especially this one.

1:08:55 Speaker 8: You know, I forgot who it was that. It might have been Tie that that that mentioned it earlier.

1:09:01 Speaker 12: Oh no, it was Jeane that said, what makes us think that we're going to figure out what the what these are?

1:09:06 Speaker 8: When when they can?

1:09:07 Speaker 12: Well, that's because they're just skimming off the top all the videos that don't matter, so they're not there. There's a lot of videos that matter that we're not at yet. I mean we're talking about about, you know, thousands of videos and evidence, so we're only getting what's being released easily.

1:09:26 Speaker 8: So you should expect that a lot of them are going to be balloons.

1:09:28 Speaker 12: A lot of them are going to be stuff that you're like, yeah, this is nothing, that's a lens clare.

1:09:32 Speaker 5: That's what I agree with, Mike. I want to see the bodies.

1:09:36 Speaker 3: I don't see anything in this image.

1:09:41 Speaker 2: I think that's why I looked at it. But I think Geno's right. I think that that's definitely the case. Is I think they're unloading what.

1:09:48 Speaker 5: Is it that little thing right there, that little a little triangle. Okay, well that looks.

1:09:53 Speaker 8: Very similar to the black night satellite for sure.

1:09:57 Speaker 4: The white line.

1:09:59 Speaker 6: Oh sh wait a second, but it is turning.

1:10:03 Speaker 8: That is a DIFFERENTI orientation that the black legs that.

1:10:06 Speaker 3: Oh, and this is this is a video or screenshot, these are these are pictures.

1:10:11 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, okay, But then it's gone, wait, oh no, no, it's.

1:10:15 Speaker 4: There, it's right there.

1:10:16 Speaker 3: It's fucking there.

1:10:17 Speaker 5: Dude.

1:10:17 Speaker 3: Wait, that's actually.

1:10:22 Speaker 5: That's a cellphone camera taken through a fucking screen. That's I mean, that's pretty cool. I like that, you know what I mean?

1:10:28 Speaker 2: What is this, dear commander whatever? Uh furnished trot? What the fuck does this say?

1:10:38 Speaker 3: Furnished? Herewith is a.

1:10:41 Speaker 2: Transcript of the minute of the Difference Conference held at Los Alamos February sixteenth, nineteen forty nine, pertaining to aerial phenomena. I find that to be so Los Alamos talking about in nineteen forty nine pertaining to aerial phenomena.

1:10:58 Speaker 3: What do you guys think they're talk about?

1:11:01 Speaker 4: Well, that's a I mean, that's a pretty good you know, it's a it's a transcript, so it's you know, all of the notes on Heinek is in there. What's his name?

1:11:12 Speaker 2: The guy that this was a private you know, much like the Saul conference today. This is almost like a privatized version of that in the military.

1:11:22 Speaker 4: Well at Los Alamos. So they right, So they have a bunch of brilliant minds involved in nuclear science and so Behinick sitting around the table trying to postulate what this stuff might be. And that's what they and and they had talked about, you know. And and that other picture, the the German aircraft, you know, that was the brothers there were working on at the end of World War Two, that never never made it into the Nazi inventory. You know, they're so they're just sort of examining all of the all of the possibilities.

1:12:03 Speaker 8: Gotcha Germany aircraft you to Glaca.

1:12:08 Speaker 4: It was the Horden brothers.

1:12:11 Speaker 3: Begins with an h Yeah, yeah, the hor Horton.

1:12:16 Speaker 8: Oh that's separate than the GLAA.

1:12:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, that one there, that's the aircraft.

1:12:22 Speaker 3: So this is what So what am I looking at here? That's what that is?

1:12:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's right. That's one of the first iterations of a winged aircraft, you know, a wing aircraft that these German brothers had created in Germany through the nineteen forties, but it just never you know it never it never made it into action.

1:12:50 Speaker 2: Well that's very interesting either because no, no, now hear me out on this. Of course, I feel like I'm gonna get made fun of again. But do you think they're not either trying to recreate by virtue of some sort of sighting of because this looks similar to like what Kenneth Arnold would describe, right.

1:13:15 Speaker 4: Is if no, I get where you, I get where you're going, and.

1:13:20 Speaker 3: We know that they were very.

1:13:23 Speaker 2: I'm josh, I'm just trying to to put words to where my mind's going when I see something like this, because that looks exactly like what a bunch of people describe this bat wing thing.

1:13:34 Speaker 3: So do these brothers not try to take that that that by that uh, those reports and those reports and then recreate based on you know, what they had available to them. I don't think.

1:13:48 Speaker 2: I don't find that so out of realm with possibilities, because then why would it be fucking confidential for so long?

1:13:53 Speaker 4: No, and and listen, I've always said that, you know, when we really think about it, right.

1:13:58 Speaker 3: No doubt that that's fucking not alien.

1:14:01 Speaker 4: Right, what what's you know? What scientific development has come has not come from its origins being something that was observed and somebody started questioning it, right, And someone started questioning, well, now that we've observed it, what can we do with it? You know, you can go through that whole sort of cycle. Right,

1:14:29 Speaker 4: So the idea that you know, yeah, why because when they talk about oh, well, you know, things in the air in the eighteen hundred and sixty, right, So something something was observed that made people start sitting down writing about it and being like, well, what's asing it and drawing it and what could it be?

1:14:47 Speaker 5: And and I just don't. I just don't.

1:14:50 Speaker 2: I don't care for the argument that every single thing is a fucking balloon because you know, and like and again I'm not trying to pick a fi with anybody.

1:15:00 Speaker 4: Everything that we're being shown as a blow, you know.

1:15:05 Speaker 5: You know, it's funny if I didn't know how much Mike hated Arrow, I think he worked for them what he called that much?

1:15:11 Speaker 6: I ain't cash my check this month yet.

1:15:17 Speaker 5: Literally know's what's his face is underlings.

1:15:19 Speaker 2: Like did you gotta I gotta I gotta ask you guys about this? What do you make of Obviously we've heard stories from guys like Carl Wolf about structures on the Moon. We've heard uh from many other a few other people, Mike Barra, I feel like I'm missing a big one. But now Louelizondo is uh talking about this?

1:15:48 Speaker 3: Uh?

1:15:48 Speaker 2: Do you the Apollo missions? I've seen them a couple of times come up in these files. Uh do you, I mean, do you give any credence to this idea? I know we talked about it earlier, but.

1:15:59 Speaker 5: I know, Geno, I thought it was a big deal. You fuckers roasted me in the group chat about like the greatest thing out. They literally ripped me apart in the group chat.

1:16:06 Speaker 3: Fucks.

1:16:07 Speaker 5: I was like, this is the great thing ever? Mom, like yeah, get bent retard like the rip me to pieces.

1:16:13 Speaker 4: Like I said, I just I just don't find listen. Is it interesting?

1:16:18 Speaker 5: Amazing? Of course, structures on the moon? Dude, that's amazing. It's true. It's legit, like that's if it's true.

1:16:25 Speaker 4: Yes, it's amazing. The fact that somebody said it doesn't make it amazing.

1:16:30 Speaker 8: And the word monoliths does not mean it's built by hands.

1:16:34 Speaker 5: True, but he did say, right angled buildings that appear to be built, you know, that appear to be created. That's what he said, he.

1:16:42 Speaker 8: Said, he said, he said monoliths with right angles.

1:16:45 Speaker 5: Yes, but he said that they didn't seem that. Do we have the quoter now because he said something.

1:16:51 Speaker 3: About it the pan text ship.

1:16:55 Speaker 5: You were looking at it at the other the other thing, weren't you.

1:16:58 Speaker 4: Where's panthers to a certain up top you prog.

1:17:02 Speaker 12: Now, the thing is we've been talking about monoliths on the Moon and Phobos for years though.

1:17:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, video, Well that's what I wanted to hear.

1:17:12 Speaker 4: What do you mean, no results, No, you went to the wrong search bar.

1:17:15 Speaker 7: It goes back to pahof Done and he said there was an alien base on the dark side of the Moon. I mean, we can go way back on some of these stupid claims. But I mean, again, we know it's not the Chinese. The alien it on the dark side of the moon. Maybe that's their antenna, could be what what other search bar is there?

1:17:31 Speaker 4: Go down right below right before where the files begin.

1:17:37 Speaker 3: They make this very easy to right there.

1:17:40 Speaker 2: Now there you go, Oh, okay, cool, thank you, So okay, you guys can continue.

1:17:47 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, that's basically Wardex from the movie.

1:17:50 Speaker 6: For Christ's sake, you know, we're just saying Vidos an idiot for coming up.

1:17:53 Speaker 1: With that.

1:17:58 Speaker 5: Fucking balloons. He sees balls everywhere to sleep.

1:18:02 Speaker 3: Okay, so this is Hey, what did we get in?

1:18:09 Speaker 2: So this file contains imagery and a report documenting the circumstances surrounding a September first, twenty fifteen incident involving an unidentified object. And I can see it. I'll zoom into it a minute. But I've been saying this for a long time on the show that nuclear facilities before I even read end into this, nuclear facilities are consistently being either shut down or interfered with by these these oranges that are usually that are usually reddish or orange or yellow in color, and they're they're breaching our most sensitive facilities.

1:18:51 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what it looks like again here by what I'm seeing just I mean, at least it's it's consistent.

1:18:57 Speaker 3: It's an orb shape.

1:18:59 Speaker 2: And this is I asked Jane before the show, I said, what is pantext And he said, it's a place that.

1:19:04 Speaker 3: They don't really like to make headlines.

1:19:06 Speaker 2: This is where every This is where the maintenance that well, the creation, the destruction and the upkeep of our nuclear arsenal is this is the most influential. So if anything, anything breaches this airspace, it is not just a threat. It is an existential threat. It's not just a oh shit, guys like we have a problem. It's a it's an existential threat.

1:19:35 Speaker 5: I mean.

1:19:37 Speaker 3: This this case. So I'd be very interested.

1:19:42 Speaker 2: To hear what you guys have to say about this, especially given Gene's involvement in the nuclear UH, the nuclear armament and the national security of the country. But so this is being this is an intruder over pan Text plant near Armarillo, Texas. The plant is a very sensitive national security site that could say it's the primary facility for assembly, dissembly, maintenance, and life extension of nuclear weapons UH.

1:20:07 Speaker 3: Page five and six of this report were originally.

1:20:09 Speaker 2: Released under Pursue Initiative in a more redacted form on May twenty six. See it tells you the reference file here, But there's another file here. I think it's this one.

1:20:22 Speaker 5: Yes, they're saying that that happened. This happened in May or this this was twenty fifteen. Wait, okay, thank you.

1:20:31 Speaker 4: It was the triangle shaped craft.

1:20:38 Speaker 5: Question.

1:20:38 Speaker 7: Because Jane was Yankee White. So Jane, I'm just going to show Gene talk here.

1:20:43 Speaker 3: Now, hold on before that, so I did do a little digging, so I just want to So.

1:20:53 Speaker 2: The timeline of the incident is on September one, twenty fifteen, an unidentified and almost object actively by passed the facility's outer security perimeter and entered restricted air space. So the intrusion immediately triggered an automated alarm system, plunging the whole base, in the whole nuclear weapons plant, into a full scale emergency lockdown. As personnel hunkered down, two heavily armed Pantac security officers were dispatched into a tactical vehicle to intercept and identify the intruder.

1:21:26 Speaker 2: Visual contact that the officers visualized the object, but quickly realized that their vehicles could not keep pace with or catch up to the craft. They stopped their vehicle, stepped out into the open, and pulled out high powered binoculars to conduct a detailed assessment. According to the official witness statements of those security personnel and their logs, which have now been unsealed in Batch four, the officers gave an incredibly precise geometric description of the craft.

1:21:56 Speaker 3: It was described as a distinct diamond. Oh, it is a diamond. So that's interesting. Diamond shaped object featuring a noticeably rounded top. The dimensions had it was relatively compact, estimated to be a roughly four feet tall and two feet wide at its base. Kind of sounds like the Rendalshim one. It was real.

1:22:18 Speaker 5: The lot.

1:22:19 Speaker 2: It was moving deliberately and slowly, coasting at an estimated speed of around ten to fifteen miles per hour. The interestingly, the witnesses described varied slightly, varied slightly. Oh, the color varied slightly on its exterior. Some logs described the craft as flat absorbing black, which is like that absence of light rather than just a like black hue, while another entry noted that it appeared just as like a reflective silver with distinct red and blue ques. That's a very very different Those are two very different things.

1:22:54 Speaker 2: So that's interesting. There's a I think what the most interesting part of this is is the no propulsion paradox.

1:23:04 Speaker 1: Uh.

1:23:06 Speaker 2: It's the craft is said to have hovered completely silently in place over restricted nuclear site for either one to two minutes, then without tilting, reving showing any aerodynamic exhaust, it simply began drifting, uh due north. Of course, this you know, sounds balloony, but I just I don't know if I I dig that on this one. So it did smoothly exit, the facilities are sticked in airspace. Uh, and then it vanished off site. What do you guys think of this? I mean, do you think this is a hobbyist drone?

1:23:39 Speaker 2: I don't think that that's even possible. You can't even fly into a fucking airport with a hobby drone, get it, just it stops you from doing it, let alone the heart of America's nuclear arsenal?

1:23:52 Speaker 4: What how big?

1:23:52 Speaker 11: How big?

1:23:53 Speaker 5: Did they say this thing was exactly.

1:23:55 Speaker 3: Four feet?

1:23:56 Speaker 1: Why?

1:23:58 Speaker 3: Sorry for four feet?

1:24:01 Speaker 2: Like four feet and then two feet wide, So again it kind of gives it. And then try and go with a rounded top again. It really brings that imagery of like the Rendall shim craft, or at least how they described it.

1:24:15 Speaker 6: Well before I.

1:24:15 Speaker 7: Hand this off the jeans, like I said, he was Yankee White should go first. I just want to kind of give everybody an update here, which is that that concept of your drone not letting you fly is is not accurate anymore. Dj I actually pissed off the US government and they took those off of their system. So you know those are implemented essentially by your actual drain drone maker. So even if you buy a cheap drone off Amazon, they don't have them on it. So now that that I've got a different spin on that.

1:24:43 Speaker 7: But just so we're kind of accurate on.

1:24:45 Speaker 5: This, did they have that ability in twenty fifteen and that second twenty fifteen I don't know. I'm just asking you again.

1:24:52 Speaker 7: I'll go over my own spill what I think it is. Like I said, Gene, this was Jean's heyday.

1:24:56 Speaker 6: You let's let them go.

1:24:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do want to. I'm sorry you.

1:25:01 Speaker 2: If I was a Chinese operative, I would build one. If that's the case. I thought it was something the US government implemented onto it and was like like like some like barrier that they like created. I didn't know China was so they could just switch that fucking shit off handed to their boy and be like.

1:25:20 Speaker 3: Hey, we need you to do some flights.

1:25:22 Speaker 6: It's less than that.

1:25:23 Speaker 7: So if you're a Chinese operative, you're not going to be flying a dj I from Walmart. You're going to be three D print. Yeah, you can put these together yourself.

1:25:30 Speaker 6: You can, uh and not.

1:25:33 Speaker 7: Right, you can even go onto YouTube right now and figure out how to turn off your navigating lights if you want to go. I mean, it's all sorts of shit. So like, yeah, that's kind of I mean, it's twenty six, right, I.

1:25:41 Speaker 3: Think about that. Yeah, all right, Gene, you are Yankee White. Let's go what what this is? Pantexs.

1:25:46 Speaker 2: This is the heart of the United States, is strategic military and just military, I mean a nuclear armament.

1:25:55 Speaker 5: Yeah.

1:25:56 Speaker 4: So, I mean, you know the thing about it is, you know, there's no real real capacity to shoot these things down, right, These these facilities generally don't have air defense systems. But again, what I found kind of interesting when I read the report was it talked about that it had picked it had picked it up on radar. That was the first indication. And then that's when they started locking things down. And when the secure and and they you know, secured, they dispatched security forces to uh secure the main assets, and then they had the patrol go out and try and chase this thing down.

1:26:35 Speaker 4: So, I mean, that's all sort of standard standard operating procedure. I think. You know, again, the significance of this really is, you know, number one, it's DOE related, right, and we know that if there's anything hidden, that's hidden in DOE, so it's kind of a good thing to see some stuff come out from there. It's you know, very you know, it's a good report and so much as it sort of has all of the elements of the photo, the security response, it's got a good timeline, you know, it gives it paints a very thorough picture of an incident.

1:27:22 Speaker 4: Let's say, you know, we don't again have any indication that it interfered with any of the security operations or you know, this this isn't a place that they're launching nukes from, right, so you don't have sort of the Malmstrom or the launch facility issues of things shutting down. This is them putting stuff together and disassembling stuff and getting rid of materials. You know, they probably again just have the vault systems and things like that. That would be what you'd be interested to know.

1:27:58 Speaker 4: Didn't you know, did any of the security equipment around the vaults where the nukes are kept were was there any interference with those which you know, the report doesn't indicate. And then it just gives some insights into the whole you know, reporting chain from the facility on the ground through the the National Nuclear Security Agency, which again just operates under the DOE. And and you know, I don't know if a whole of people are are really familiar with the with the nns A. A lot of you know, a lot of old Air Force cops go to work there, so it's kind of becomes one of the particularly if you spent a lot of your career out in the missile fields, you usually wind up there.

1:28:51 Speaker 4: Or the US.

1:28:52 Speaker 3: Marshals gotcha, I did he leave?

1:28:59 Speaker 6: Get who's that that?

1:29:03 Speaker 3: The other guy? He popped in? I was gonna say hi to him before?

1:29:08 Speaker 2: But okay, I mean fair enough. Yeah, there's no there's definitely no interference here that we know of. No, no tampering with the weapons systems, no, you know, forcing weapons to go online, no forcing them offline. It's just something that's seen above the facility that thrust the facility into a shutdown.

1:29:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty fifteen. You know, some of the research I had been researching for a while, you know, the the nuclear incursions, and you know actually noticed this pattern, you know, after Chernobyl there seemed to there. Prior to Chernobyl, there were a lot of reports when when the reports came in. There were a lot of reports of interference with the systems after Chernobyl, the reports mainly seemed to be around observation. I think there there was a later it was either Malmstrom again or Montana.

1:30:06 Speaker 4: There was like a two thousand and six incident over a nuclear base where there was some interference, but there seemed to be a drop off and the reports were much more observational in nature. And so you know, my my thesis, The question I always wondered was either a were the were the shutdowns and the technology failures that were associated with the appearance of these craft actually interference of the craft operated the craft trying to extract or tap into our systems and was causing things to go offline or come online or send false messages sort of you know, a Wi Fi Bluetooth mismatch, so to speak.

1:30:59 Speaker 4: Or had we actually developed preventative technologies that kept that from happening, which meant to Whistle and Mike's points that at some point we were able to identify the signals of these craft and create countermeasures for them.

1:31:24 Speaker 5: OK.

1:31:25 Speaker 4: And this is why I say, that's what becomes the problem with putting a Bob Solace or having any congressional testimony involving UFOs over nukes, because those become the inevitable questions that need to be asked and the inevitable answers that nobody would want to give because it would indicate that you know what this craft is or you have picked up signals from the craft, and it's not just a US discussion at that point because the the we we have we are responsible for nukes around the world, and so much as in you know we we are we are the custodians of NATO's nuclear assets.

1:32:17 Speaker 4: They go by our standards and our protocols and everything like that. So if it's brought up in the US and they say, oh, there's you know, UFOs over nukes and nobody knows what to do about it, and that's not getting asked in Congress and nobody can give any answers, then you're going to have the allies be like, well, how do we know that you know? How do we know that that the nukes in our nations are safe? Right? You're going to have Germany up the US's ass about, well, how you know these are on German soil?

1:32:49 Speaker 4: You need to tell us how you know how can you guarantee that one of these objects can't, you know, cause a catastrophic you know, a broken err or a men's spear, right, and some stuff.

1:33:04 Speaker 12: So I'm surprised that this video came out specifically, or these pictures, because say we are how big could that base be or that facility? One thousand acres or one hundred acres whatever you pick, your number doesn't matter miles. So we should be able to be have access and control of that air space over that base, but not only over that base.

1:33:30 Speaker 8: But around it.

1:33:31 Speaker 12: So so what happens here? What are we pointing out that something came in and we weren't able to scramble fast enough. I mean, when we had a balloon in Alaska, we went up there and shot it with nets and brought it down. How can we go do the same thing to this We should be able to. This is showing a most This is showing a big hole in what what we can and can't do. There's no reason we shouldn't have this facility guarded by air in the air, I mean, there should be able to be a scramble so with instruments and maybe Gene could answer this.

1:34:06 Speaker 8: So we're detecting these things over we should have seen it. Where are we losing it? And why are we losing it?

1:34:13 Speaker 12: Because once it's once it's detected, we should be scrambling something a helicopter, I don't care what it is.

1:34:20 Speaker 8: We're throwing on its own.

1:34:21 Speaker 12: Of course we're talking ten years ago, so that would have been a little bit harder, but we should have been able to scramble something in the air to find it, unless it had some other anomalous activity that we're not being told right here, how did it get away?

1:34:36 Speaker 8: How did it get away?

1:34:38 Speaker 5: So they said they couldn't keep up with it, didn't they say they couldn't keep up with it or something like that? Or that was with the vehicle on the grounds.

1:34:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what I mean. It's almost there.

1:34:47 Speaker 5: Right, So there's no way that you can't exactly what Gino said, there's no way this thing is getting within ten miles of there and they don't see it, know what it is.

1:34:57 Speaker 4: And just to.

1:34:58 Speaker 2: Adhurance, what's the clearance for live fire over a nuclear.

1:35:02 Speaker 5: Base and that and that place specifically, there should have been Yeah, there should have been some.

1:35:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I mean here's here here, Yeah, here's the thing with that, So you know, the again in the Air Force, and when you're dealing with with nukes, they're the the use of debt. The parameters for the use of deadly force are a lot thinner than in general, right,

1:35:31 Speaker 4: and that being said, the use of deadly for the discharge of firearms near nukes is the last thing you want to do, right, right, They don't want any you know, any kind of discharges in those areas. So so yeah, we we're generally and you have to you know, and ultimately you have to get permission. You're your officer in charge is the one who's going to make that determination of you're going to try and shoot something down. So obviously you don't want to try and shoot something down if it's going to land in the facility, if it's going to potentially cause you know, any kind of incident, you know, involving the assets themselves, if you're not able to control all of all of those factors.

1:36:23 Speaker 4: But to Gino's point about you know what's around there, so you know Amarillo, Texas. The only active US Air Force base is Canon Air Force Base in Clovis, New Mexico, which is one hundred and twelve miles southwest of Amarillo. And then there is Shepherd Air Force Base in Wichita Falls, Texas, located two hundred and twenty eight miles to the southeast.

1:36:53 Speaker 8: Now that's to my point.

1:36:54 Speaker 12: So if we can't protect this, why are we letting out the information that we can't protect.

1:36:58 Speaker 4: It was headed? This was headed? What would they say? North?

1:37:03 Speaker 5: You're telling me that this base or whatever this thing is, doesn't have rough the capability for a plane to take off and defend it. I find that impossible. There's got to be something.

1:37:12 Speaker 3: There's no private runway like a right, there's.

1:37:15 Speaker 5: Gotta be if this base is, if this base is what Tye says it is, there's got to be defenses in some way, shape or form something.

1:37:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, the impression that nothing was scraped. Are we gonna buy that nothing was? No jet was scrambled on this This.

1:37:29 Speaker 6: Incident I called bullshit. Guys, it's you're you're overthinking it.

1:37:35 Speaker 2: Right.

1:37:35 Speaker 7: So again, there's a nuclear plant Wolf Creek here in Kansas, and they actually daily out of tickets every year in a raffle because the water is warm that's used to cool it. When we have tropical species in there to fish. That's your fucking security guys, like you're overthinking this. You're you're thinking this is an interdimensional portal guarded on for service.

1:37:54 Speaker 6: Land or some ship.

1:37:56 Speaker 5: But there's something still Listen.

1:37:58 Speaker 6: To this, man, listen to this.

1:38:00 Speaker 7: So our special forces just put out a you know, racing request for proposal for a radar system to pick up drones that you can't see. So we sure the hell couldn't find in twenty fifteen, it's harder to shoot down a drone than you think, and if the lights go off, nothing can catch it. This, like Gina was saying, it really is a matter of why did they meet? We're caught with our pants down, like, but there's no defense against this. So do you shoot it down? Or do you just let it float off like it did?

1:38:26 Speaker 7: Let we just let it float off like we did like all these videos.

1:38:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, when we have the facility itself, the facility itself is sixteen thousand acres. It doesn't have an airfield. But team you.

1:38:43 Speaker 12: Mentioned are both the bases you mentioned that that are seem far, they're still close enough by air you're covering that distance.

1:38:52 Speaker 8: So probably, Yeah, it's not like those bases.

1:38:56 Speaker 12: Are too far to scramble someone maybe there's too far to scramble a hell there, but not a jet, so you know, they could have been on top of it easily.

1:39:08 Speaker 8: However, also there should be some kind of communication with other law enforcement.

1:39:15 Speaker 12: If they can't catch it on there with their jeep, they should be calling ahead to every law enforcement saying, hey, you know, behind the lookout for.

1:39:24 Speaker 8: This thing in the air, we got to keep track of it, which.

1:39:27 Speaker 5: They did, so I guess yeah they did.

1:39:29 Speaker 4: They did have contact the sheriff's office, the sheriff met them, but it was gone by the time the sheriff got there.

1:39:37 Speaker 5: Yeah.

1:39:38 Speaker 7: Just again, guys, this happened in twenty fifteen and then look at how much further Langley happened. So what did we do in that time over a nuclear and Langley not a fucking thing. That's how the government works. It's unfortunate to say it.

1:39:50 Speaker 6: Where are we at now? Nowhere?

1:39:52 Speaker 5: Yeah, but why why do the government do nothing over Langley? Why?

1:39:57 Speaker 3: It's almost like they know that that they can't do anything.

1:40:01 Speaker 7: Right, That's why they didn't prepare from this to Langley. We're still not prepared. We have some paperwork that went through from Cotton and Jilli Brown that said, we can shoot things down, but again we have no defense.

1:40:12 Speaker 6: And this is the whole point of it.

1:40:14 Speaker 7: This isn't Nhi, this is other countries letting us know that if a war starts, the war will not be in Taiwan for US, for US China. All they'll do is hit us here. They've already shown they can throw drones five hundred incidents last year over sensitive sights. You knock out a couple planes on the airways, you don't have to put a nuke over anymore. Now, what you do is you target things like the nuclear facilities already in the country. You poison the air, you poison the ground, you poison the water.

1:40:41 Speaker 7: Like times have changed and it has nothing to do with aliens and we are way way behind.

1:40:47 Speaker 3: Well okay, if.

1:40:51 Speaker 2: Oh god, that's I mean, I do see the points I do. Warfare is definitely change, and it's not you know, it's.

1:41:00 Speaker 3: Not the world. It's not gonna be world.

1:41:02 Speaker 2: If World War three breaks out, I don't think anyone thought it was going to be fought the same way World War two was, right like in the trenches.

1:41:09 Speaker 3: No, that this will be some sort of you.

1:41:10 Speaker 6: Don't want to be in a tanker aircraft carrier. This war you're done.

1:41:14 Speaker 12: Has any other foreign country put out that they've had UAPs over their nuclear facilities?

1:41:23 Speaker 3: It's a good question.

1:41:24 Speaker 7: I know, pretty as facilities and others, you know, like in Australia. Different places have reported, but I don't know about necessarily GENO in actual country their own assets saying that they think England or the UK had some issues.

1:41:35 Speaker 5: I know the drone swarms were reported everywhere that much. I know what's it's Dan from Probe dere right on the bottom.

1:41:41 Speaker 2: Well, also Rendalsham was technical, like, I mean it's Rendalsham was a nuclear facility.

1:41:46 Speaker 8: They just I mean, so we know that was that was our info that came out.

1:41:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I said, okay, I see what you're saying. I mean it's a joint operating base.

1:41:56 Speaker 8: But well, you know, it could be a.

1:41:59 Speaker 12: It could be sigh out that we need more money for to protect our our basis, things like that. So if it was global, then there'd be at least something a little more to grab onto than just could we be be being lied to and a balloon being utilized as how do we get a billion more dollars out of your tax money.

1:42:25 Speaker 5: To protect this they don't need a reason, they just take it.

1:42:28 Speaker 7: Geno's God, I think we've solved that this is a boy sca balloon. It's just like they're on the floor over the shot down earlier.

1:42:34 Speaker 4: So there's a yeah, what NASA child joined down there?

1:42:38 Speaker 5: Hello? Oh, who's that?

1:42:41 Speaker 4: Hello?

1:42:41 Speaker 6: NASA child?

1:42:42 Speaker 4: Hello child?

1:42:45 Speaker 2: All right?

1:42:45 Speaker 11: Yeah, it just seems like a rehash of the Paul Benowitz's dotty stuff. Guys. It seems like they're trying to feed us the same thing that made Benowitz go crazy. So I'm just letting y'all guys know that this was early drone testing and they're just re releasing a lot of it, except for the new data, which is just new secrets they're hiding. They're just piling it on top to confuse people and you know, drive the schizophrenics of a wall and tell us everything's going wild and everything's shape shifting and it's all true, even though it's been fiction this whole time.

1:43:12 Speaker 11: Most of the stuff there they're pushing on TikTok and that someone's leaking. There's a lot of bs. Y'all know that we're looking for facts.

1:43:20 Speaker 6: Beto doesn't know that, but I'm glad you helped me out there.

1:43:22 Speaker 13: We'll look, Okay, y'all know about body, right, y'all know about Benowitz, right?

1:43:35 Speaker 11: I mean he was looking at the same stuff. He was like, it looks like something's over the nuke facility, and they're like, yeah, let's talk to you. And they're feeding this guy misinformation for years. Y'all know about the story, right, Yes, of course.

1:43:48 Speaker 2: Of course that's It's one of the one of those things that I think UH is told to little ufologists to keep them in line, is the story.

1:44:01 Speaker 13: Yeah, I think that we're there.

1:44:02 Speaker 11: They're like putting us all in that like like they don't think we already know that story. So they're making this viral like TikTok for the people that don't know. And that's why they're just shoveling it at us again with the old blurry stuff and stuff from nineteen forty eight and stuff from nineteen fifty two that there is no real the people are dead that was there, there's no reason that they're hiding it, and the people that were working on it are all dead. The people that were there in person at Roswell are all dead.

1:44:27 Speaker 11: It's just like that stuff should have been released twenty five thirty years ago, right.

1:44:33 Speaker 6: Yeah, he's got a point here.

1:44:34 Speaker 7: You know, back when we used to do the F one seventeen SR seventy one where people actually saw craft and called in UFOs, they.

1:44:40 Speaker 6: Don't even gotta do that anymore.

1:44:42 Speaker 7: Now it's like orbs crosses and we're all on here talking about religious So God came back. I mean, like we're making this job easy, I think, especially Vito.

1:44:53 Speaker 5: Sorry if my kid came.

1:44:53 Speaker 4: To the room.

1:44:54 Speaker 11: Now Navy has plasma orbs for targeting, meaning that instead of just shapes, they have plasma targeting where it's confusing radars and confusing people on the ground of what they're seeing. So they do have some weird plasma stuff, and there's probably other countries using it too, but there's been plasma before. The Navy was using it for sure out there, and they have just.

1:45:17 Speaker 4: The basic you know kind of uh targeting, the targeting orbs that they that they that they use that are some of them are.

1:45:28 Speaker 11: You know, is this Gorgon's eye stuff or something otherwise? And which military is using it?

1:45:34 Speaker 4: Well, I'm just saying in general, there's I'm not speaking to.

1:45:39 Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, some stuff we don't do, just like our Olympic teams, we contract out, like the Norwegian have some better boats than we do. Who the who is the Norwegian navy fought? But they have some of the awesomest boats in like the world navies of these sleek you know, small destroyer ships or something that are just totally badass. They're so fast, and it's just it's like our obviously our military kind of contracts out from these smaller countries, and then the stuff we don't utilize as like full force, you don't.

1:46:08 Speaker 11: We don't buy two hundred of them. We just buy two to four of them, you know, when we give them the special ops guys and they roll in quietly and do what they need to do.

1:46:18 Speaker 3: So shit, where was that going? I totally just lost my train of thought. God damn it. I oh oh oh sorry, So there.

1:46:30 Speaker 2: You know, there's been a lot of talk recently about and this is coming from uh like guys like Ross coltartuh Gene, I know you you frequently talk with him. There was this, uh, this discussion being had around uh lou Aleisondo being a part of legacy UFO program, And it kind of dawned on me the other day that again We've been saying this, I think, to ourselves for a long time. Lou has always been kind of upfront about what he's doing. He's always been a counterintelligence guy. He's not a ufologist.

1:47:09 Speaker 2: I think everyone knows the quote, right, I will never be a ufologist or whatever he says. I'm a counter intel guy. I was asked to put my services onto the UFO community. So do I see the similarities between like the Dody Benowitz?

1:47:26 Speaker 3: Of course I do.

1:47:27 Speaker 2: And I think that Lou has probably been sent out to most likely start what we've been seeing. You are the first domino that fell was that New York Times article in twenty seventeen. It's it's no stranger that that Lou was at the center of that article.

1:47:46 Speaker 5: Right, wouldn't shock you if if you find out and he was part of legacy it would have shocked anybody. Wouldn't shocked me. It makes sense.

1:47:52 Speaker 6: I get a question, Vita, what's that good?

1:47:56 Speaker 2: It wouldn't shock me if he was part of some sort of legacy program. And like I said, and he was asked to do exactly what he's doing. So when people get no, but also but also enough deny of fucking ability, Right, so that's when he's in the fuck he's showing pictures of crops or whatever, the irrigation circles. Right, keep your limitations at bay. Right, there's enough there to go. Eh, I'm not buying it, But there's also some With every you know, great piece of disinformation, there is a core piece of information.

1:48:31 Speaker 2: So again I said it in the intro, I think our expectations and our experience with the phenomena, they're no longer just saying it doesn't exist, it's swamp gas, it's venus. What they're doing is they're managing your expectation of the phenomena so that when it comes knocking eventually, they can say what the fuck you mean?

1:48:54 Speaker 3: We've been talking about it for however long now.

1:48:56 Speaker 5: Right, which is why we roll on doctor Phils. It's managing people what they see. It's it's managing it. It's it's slow drip. Yeah, I get it.

1:49:03 Speaker 2: Now.

1:49:03 Speaker 7: What was your question, Mike, No, just saying it's a good question, because it's like, okay, then let's play the what if?

1:49:10 Speaker 6: Right, So like, yeah, what what if he is? You know, does it surprise you?

1:49:13 Speaker 7: I think the other part of it is doesn't matter because he's only got control over you if you listen to him. If you don't want to listen, just like me, just like Vido, just like Jeans, like tie, or if you think he's done the truth, you listen to him. But I mean, like, I don't feel like the sort of concept that it's like they implement these people in the community to keep us from the truth is really that big of an objective to overcome. I mean, it's like, either figure it out or you don't. They're not whole the files and we've got to figure him out.

1:49:42 Speaker 7: And they say, oh, here they are. I mean, it's just another person who's got their story, their version of things.

1:49:48 Speaker 6: I mean, it is what it is to me.

1:49:50 Speaker 5: To me, it doesn't matter at all. But the fact that he was on that UAP task force would put him as the person that would be on the legacy program. If you're running a task force about UAP's and UFOs and et cetera, wouldn't you be part of a legacy program. Wouldn't that be like the thing that you're doing. I mean, that's what That's what makes sense to me. So to be to be baffled or curious or confused the fact that he is or he was or to that to be a type of like you know, like reality check is just insane to me.

1:50:17 Speaker 5: It's just it would make sense that he was he supposed you know, he's got all these connections. It makes total sense.

1:50:24 Speaker 2: Geane, What do you think about what do you think about what Ross has been saying about that, that whole situation.

1:50:34 Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's certainly validity to it, you know, I mean he's working for somebody, you know, not you know, he's still contracted in there, so you know, any any guesses as good as the other, any connection you know, okay, fair, don't no where to go with it other than you know, it's to me, it's like, okay, you know it was another one of those like non.

1:51:02 Speaker 5: News items, right, yeah, exactly, Okay, I would assume he was yeah, exactly.

1:51:08 Speaker 3: Right, Okay, what I agree?

1:51:13 Speaker 6: I agree completely. It's a non news item.

1:51:15 Speaker 7: It sounds word to say we've made him a hot button ticket, but it's like, okay, let's say he knows about the whole legacy program. He's also the guy that's told us all this stuff is real. And if he doesn't, if he's covering something else up and we got that. But I mean even if we put him up and we bust him, what do we get? We get the same thing we have now, either a story you believe or a story you don't. I just I don't think he's going to be the key to like here it is. I mean, you know, where's the bodies?

1:51:40 Speaker 5: Where's this?

1:51:40 Speaker 6: Where's that?

1:51:41 Speaker 7: What good would a photo do you that you know, uh, grush is saying that they see of crashes or bodies because you don't have it on the original device or metadata. Even if he's telling the truth, even if the photos are really you can't prove it. We got to look at a different way of going about this. And it's not the photos of bodies, believe it or not, or a crash is from the forties, fifties and sixties, and it's not louil'sondo telling us what is or isn't deep legacy program and that well, Mike.

1:52:07 Speaker 4: And I'll just harp on and you know, Mike, we you know in our like our other our other chat that we have, you know, it's nothing anybody says matters. It doesn't matter. It's all the stuff that's you know, what they're doing is what matters. That's where the story is.

1:52:30 Speaker 5: Okay, Mike, I hat a question because you're you're a big time skeptic, I would assume with this whole thing, So what would you take is proof? Would you take an image of a body? Would you take video of a body? Would you believe that?

1:52:42 Speaker 1: Like?

1:52:42 Speaker 5: What would be proof for you a skeptic? I think it's a valid you know what I mean? Like for me, would be a video. But a video can be faked. We could have seen videos of aliens already. We could have seen images of aliens. How many of these images that are being dropped in these files right, our images that we've seen for the last fifty years that are now just being released as authentic and official, and we're just rolling with it because the government is And I've been always like anti anti believe the government a whole life, you know, don't believe the government, et cetera.

1:53:12 Speaker 5: But now it's like now I'm kind of trying to believe them because I don't. I'm I don't know what to believe half the time. It's it's crazy. So like, what would you takes proof?

1:53:21 Speaker 4: For years?

1:53:21 Speaker 7: I mean, they're Yeah, I think this is where we get into how we're still harping on things like Roswell or now before that Mussolinian and going into the thirties. A photo from the thirties of bodies or a crash is just not going to work. It's not gonna work because you don't have metadata. It's also not gonna work because Arrows already bit that in the butt with their story of how they took down a photo of an Aliens and put it in a bar down by a base, and we're briefing people that aliens were real.

1:53:48 Speaker 7: They've already covered their bases on that. They've already defeated you on that. So you have to have something new. You would have to have something released from you know, a thirty five or twenty two, But that would mean it have to be now. And if it's here now and you got bodies or crash, you could show it. But there is my problem. Would I believe that? Yeah, but you will never see it because that will always be sucked up by the Defense Department, whether it's the power source or the anti gravity.

1:54:15 Speaker 6: Whatever stuff we want.

1:54:19 Speaker 5: A body is not a passage.

1:54:20 Speaker 7: A body shows you that there is an alien race that has this technology. So that's still the path of where would you go to find it? So if we say aliens are real, and now we got a craft like the tic TAC that can take out a whole carrier strike group, like Fraver said, in five seconds, then everyone else is gonna be them for aliens because they want that technology.

1:54:38 Speaker 5: So believe it or not. But they're telling us, but they're telling us it's real. They're saying, hey, these are craft. We don't know where they're from. They're not from here. It's not us, it's not our adversaries. We don't know what they are here they are. They're literally telling us this with four whatever.

1:54:53 Speaker 7: I don't think they're telling me just that, but they're definitely leaving us questions where if we believe that, we can go with it.

1:55:00 Speaker 5: But for so clearly there's something in there flying those things.

1:55:03 Speaker 7: Everything I've seen in these when we go out and we work and we work with our radar system and we go on everything in here, I wouln't really bad an eye at I'm just being honest with you.

1:55:12 Speaker 6: I see a little orb here, I see this going that. This isn't sent i'd bring in.

1:55:17 Speaker 7: When I was at SSCI, they wanted the fucking craft, and they wanted to clear they wanted the goddamn data link and everything else. That's how they send you out on a mission. This shit's worthless. I'm just telling you guys that I'm not trying to be mean, not trying to be sarcastic. This shit would not be accepted in a Senate committee or skift. So if there's the good stuff, where is it this year?

1:55:35 Speaker 1: The hell?

1:55:35 Speaker 4: Ain't it real quick? Is anybody else lagging? Or is it just me?

1:55:40 Speaker 5: I think it was? Yeah, I think it was the site.

1:55:44 Speaker 3: I believe I didn't see any lag.

1:55:47 Speaker 5: I saw a little bit.

1:55:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, I see a huge gene. Yeah.

1:55:53 Speaker 4: Wow.

1:55:54 Speaker 2: Could you see them using a proxy and what I mean by that is a five eyes ally as a proxy two.

1:56:08 Speaker 3: Allow some of this.

1:56:10 Speaker 2: Biological material to make its way into this the zeitgeist? Or do you think that they would be that the United States, if they have it somewhere, they would want to take the lead to show that their their disclosure is is is credible?

1:56:29 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? I don't know.

1:56:30 Speaker 5: I mean I would hope so, I mean I would I would hope at some point we see a live alien. If there are Nordics, and they do look like us. I don't see them.

1:56:38 Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't think live actually would matter. Sad as it is, I don't think live matters in this in this case.

1:56:47 Speaker 5: No, I mean live is in like here, let's walk it out and show that they're friendly, you know, quote unquote here it is on TV, here's fucking here's b doo or whatever.

1:56:57 Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

1:56:58 Speaker 5: As wild as that would be, but that that, honestly is what needs that would literally shut. Mike would call me and be like, you're right, you're right. Of course pickles don't belong on an Italian That would be the.

1:57:11 Speaker 2: End, all be all right, right, that would be it, no questions asked. But I think, uh, human nature. I think we have a dead one somewhere, that's.

1:57:22 Speaker 5: For sure, we do. But but no one's gonna believe a dead one but that. But that's my point, as I'm saying, how many of these images.

1:57:28 Speaker 3: You have to let scientists take samples.

1:57:31 Speaker 5: And oh, like an actual body, okay.

1:57:33 Speaker 3: Independently verified, you know what I mean, Like the whole nine this.

1:57:37 Speaker 5: Is I mean, that's what they're doing with an Aska mummies, and no one believes those things, and and and some of those.

1:57:41 Speaker 4: Things are real.

1:57:42 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know you got something on your mind. I'll let you go.

1:57:45 Speaker 5: Sorry, you're you're no sound, you know, Yeah, you need.

1:57:52 Speaker 8: Sorry about that. I think you guys are a few steps ahead.

1:57:54 Speaker 12: I think we are going to find out our first disclosure about any any sentient being is gonna be a plasmoid. And they're gonna say it's intelligently controlled energy more than they're going to roll out any bipedal aliens.

1:58:12 Speaker 4: Interesting.

1:58:13 Speaker 12: So, I mean Senator doing a pretty much said that

1:58:19 Speaker 12: just very recently, that there is intelligently controlled energy. And I'll tell you as far as the phenomena that I personally witness, a lot of it is orbs more than anything else, especially out here in the desert where I am, where you look at it and you go.

1:58:37 Speaker 8: Well, there's no beacon on it.

1:58:39 Speaker 12: It's not lighted like an FAA would want to lit So we're either dealing with some kind of aircraft that is meant to not showcase that that they're way high up in the sky, higher than any plane would be going at that point. So so we either are talking about plasmids of something's moving in the sky that or maybe it is just satellites that you could see with the human eye, which equally is plausible to me.

1:59:12 Speaker 5: That's what I saw the most of was the orbs during the Jersey drones. I saw a lot of orbs, a lot of them.

1:59:17 Speaker 8: So it's about the observables of force.

1:59:20 Speaker 12: If you see things going in different directions and things like that, which typically the orbs that I see out here in Vegas, they're all going in one direction. But if you're go in someplace, a straight line is typically the best way to go. But the interesting anomalist part of it is they start in the middle of the sky and they end in the middle of the sky, so you don't see them go from horizon to horizon. You're only able to see these plasmoids for a short time in the sky. Now that said, I'm equally as willing to believe or more so, that they are.

1:59:53 Speaker 8: Not alien, that they are aircraft.

1:59:57 Speaker 12: I mean, you know, nellis air Force bases viewable from any place, and uh, the sky is from any place in Vegas, you know, So.

2:00:06 Speaker 8: I can't do you think.

2:00:07 Speaker 5: They're linked to the thing that went to the tether, because that's their claiming that they are those things that went in that tether. It was like a mile long tether in space, and they got surrounded by those weird balls of light. Mm hm, that is that what they're claiming these things are is that?

2:00:21 Speaker 12: H Well, I'm not positive to what they're claiming. I'm just telling you my personal experiences. I don't see a lot of craft. I have seen one in my life, which you know, was a tremendous thing for me. But then every other anomaloust phenomenon I've ever seen has just been orbs that are not identifiable as planes or you know, uh, human made aircraft.

2:00:52 Speaker 3: So isn't it weird?

2:00:55 Speaker 2: Did do you not find that it is not sentiment like embodied that sentiment? It is kind of strange to me that, like you know, in the eighteen hundreds there's the airship craze and then you know, it's kind.

2:01:08 Speaker 3: Of like this jacquevalet.

2:01:12 Speaker 2: Look at the phenomenology is like it's it seems to be either that the and again of course talking generally here, that the phenomenon is either reflecting what we're like, what we're on the precipice of like technologically, or they are leading us, you know, like showing us what's capable, so we keep striving for more. And I don't think either of those are are tremendously because of course it goes from flying saucers to nowadays it's much more plasma or be like that's the that's the common sighting nowadays, whereas you know for a long time it's acers and saucers and metal metal balls and tic TACs.

2:02:04 Speaker 3: It's it is interesting to me because I think someone brought it up earlier.

2:02:09 Speaker 2: Uh that that where was that? Because when I looked through these files there was only a few.

2:02:14 Speaker 3: Where was that? Like square looking one where it was like had like eighteen points.

2:02:20 Speaker 5: You didn't Yeah you didn't play the video. You never made it to that video.

2:02:23 Speaker 3: I've been through all the files.

2:02:25 Speaker 5: Does it does that crazy? It is green? It does like that crazy shit. So you can find that on X.

2:02:31 Speaker 12: I want to add one thing to the conversation here. I was having a conversation with Jack Sarfati the other day.

2:02:38 Speaker 3: Stupid one hundred times, yes.

2:02:40 Speaker 12: Will not be but other people, not me, but other people. I'm one of one of the interesting. He's a smart man, you.

2:02:46 Speaker 3: Know, he's a smart guy.

2:02:47 Speaker 8: Yeah, he's smart man.

2:02:49 Speaker 12: But what he said was that the Plasmoids are a sentient species, and that they are in a intergalactic war with the Grays. The Grays are operating technology that is craft that like what we're seeing, like with some kind of metal structure, whereas the plasmoids are obviously not that or not obviously but maybe not that. One thing he couldn't tell me, was he because he said he's not read into it. He doesn't know why they're fighting or.

2:03:26 Speaker 8: What the end game is of that fight.

2:03:29 Speaker 12: So he also does not know what is happening off planet. He just knows that it is happening off planet as well. So he said, the only things I could talk about is the on planet stuff that I've been read into, and this is what it is.

2:03:43 Speaker 8: It is two warring races.

2:03:45 Speaker 1: Now.

2:03:46 Speaker 12: I asked him a lot of the ract questions. I said, who's the good guy, who's the bad guy?

2:03:50 Speaker 8: He doesn't know that. I asked him what are they fighting over? Are they fighting over us? He doesn't know that.

2:03:55 Speaker 4: So he just he said, this is Jackson.

2:03:58 Speaker 12: Yes, he said, I could only talk on what I'm read into, and what I know is those Plasmoids are in a war with Gray aliens and there are two warring species of.

2:04:10 Speaker 11: I mean, what language do they speak and which document did they sign and was there a handshake?

2:04:15 Speaker 12: Well, you know, again, whatever he's being read into, Uh, either he's not telling the truth, which you know is very possible, or he is telling the truth and they're reading him into something that is a sy op, or he is being read into something that's real and they only have so much limited info, but he couldn't explain why they're reading him into it. So again it's it's very you know, it's it's it's it's confusing to figure out. All right, We've got this really smart guy who's definitely worked with the government, who's saying these things.

2:04:49 Speaker 12: Is he telling is why would he be misleading everyone? How much of the stuff is misleading?

2:04:56 Speaker 4: Now?

2:04:56 Speaker 12: Of course at the wifiles we did we did a whole episode on him. Did he get the phone call from.

2:05:02 Speaker 8: Nhi as a kid?

2:05:04 Speaker 12: You know what I told him was my theory, which of course makes me sound insane, is that I think that AI is being co opted by Nhi. I think we Uh, just like we did not create Wi fi, we discovered how to use Wi Fi, I think it's the same thing that we've created a way to harn to create AI and Nhi is able to harness it. And what leads back to if he got a phone call from the past, I think the only time travelers possible are going to be artificial intelligence, and that is going to and if the box was created, the original AI box was created when he got that phone call, it was that time travel could be co opted from the future as long as the technology existed in the past.

2:05:55 Speaker 12: Again, that changes a lot of the physics of what humans would have to go through with time travel.

2:06:01 Speaker 8: So again that's a very far out there theory.

2:06:03 Speaker 3: I know that was it a call from the past or the future? I think it was the future, right.

2:06:08 Speaker 8: He got Yes, in the past, he got a call, Yeah, that's what.

2:06:12 Speaker 3: He says, right when he was about twelve or something.

2:06:15 Speaker 12: Yes, exactly, which told him he was going to be working with with Josh Vala and how put off and all these amazing people.

2:06:23 Speaker 8: And he did go on to do that.

2:06:25 Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, dude, we could laugh at the guy who wanted he did some fucking crazy shit, crazy life. So he clearly knows something we don't.

2:06:33 Speaker 3: So you know either, who knows. I find it very interesting that story because.

2:06:42 Speaker 2: Again that thought about could we be being led, like could we be kind of I guess you the word you might want to use depending on their their ultimate goal or or or thought process on why.

2:06:59 Speaker 3: They're doing it.

2:07:00 Speaker 2: Are we being co opted or are we being guided to create that next next thing?

2:07:06 Speaker 3: And was that always Ai?

2:07:09 Speaker 2: Was AI always the key that needed to be created to unlock what Mike has so humbly described as interdimensional portals?

2:07:22 Speaker 3: So that they don't think about this though? Right?

2:07:28 Speaker 2: You see the fucking world, You see the cosmos right with some advanced technology, right if it then continues and continues, and then eventually if life ends up there, right, if if the project goes well, some of that portion is going to reach a habit of the world, A percentage of that is going to survive long enough, eventually one of them is going to create AI. Or maybe if that's always the goal, if that's always why do we want to just create eight all the time?

2:08:00 Speaker 3: Why? Why?

2:08:01 Speaker 2: Why are we so like it's this Anaki kind of mindset. Whether that story is real, it's a good parable to what I'm saying. It's like we can't fucking stop creating.

2:08:12 Speaker 5: You know, remember my my big AI theory.

2:08:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, could a I be the the as Mike. Yeah.

2:08:24 Speaker 4: The different that.

2:08:29 Speaker 2: It solves, It solves that problem of the distance, right, is by by letting seating it and then you don't need to fucking you don't need to just take shots in the dark. It's whatever AI is created, that's know that there's intelligent life. That's the beacon. That's the beacon, is the creation of AI. That's the beacon that gets sent out to say, Okay, this is ready for some this is ready for harvesting. I know that sounds kind of crude, but that's again what I'm trying to represent visually. Is AI is that threshold that needs to be meant for whatever comes next?

2:09:15 Speaker 3: Could that be being co opted?

2:09:16 Speaker 5: Yeah?

2:09:18 Speaker 4: So my thing with the AI, what I wonder is

2:09:25 Speaker 4: that consciousness, our consciousness. Human consciousness is our and how we perceive reality. Consciousness is sort of the tuner, right. Yes, we are able to we perceive what we perceive because we are tuned in via our consciousness to certain frequencies and that is what creates our reality.

2:09:56 Speaker 5: And we know.

2:10:00 Speaker 4: And this is some of my father in law's work about they're existing this information energy field, right, and this information energy field is ultimately the thing through which our consciousness needs to be able to tap into. And there's certain people and practitioners who tap into this information energy field that exists. And we've heard, you know, people talking about again when you die and your soul and it all goes into this universal information field and all the rest of it. What I wonder is that if the neural networks being built crazy by AI are not constrained by consciousness, do they ultimately have the ability to tap into this information energy field?

2:11:00 Speaker 4: And in some ways, the things that people are asking and and and the returns that are sometimes gone through AI are not necessarily hallucinations of the AI, but they are the AI not being limited and tapping into other parallel dimensions and realities and things like that. And that's why we have Mandela effect. That's why we have these these some of these time and information gaps that people experience.

2:11:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always thought you you're because that coincides with like consciousness being or our brain being some sort of receiver and the consciousness being the signal. And you know, like I said, I could take the radio and smash it, but the signal still there. The sign is still dialed.

2:12:04 Speaker 4: What is this? And when I was lagging the ship popping up? Yeah, yeah, I almost thought it was some kind of attack.

2:12:16 Speaker 5: I don't know, But what is what am I looking at? Right here?

2:12:21 Speaker 6: Hold on?

2:12:21 Speaker 4: Hold on?

2:12:21 Speaker 7: So you just you just if you can hit the back button for a minute. My face looks a bit like Timberlakes does. Just hit the back button real fast. On Astro's page. We got to get over this one.

2:12:33 Speaker 6: There's me.

2:12:37 Speaker 7: If you freeze this, freeze this video at the top, you will see both objects are in the frame together.

2:12:43 Speaker 6: So it didn't change shapes, it didn't do any of this.

2:12:45 Speaker 3: It's like the same one object going on one object.

2:12:49 Speaker 6: Dude, freeze it at the top. You'll see both the missile on the blob.

2:12:53 Speaker 3: It's Mike, I'm asking.

2:12:57 Speaker 2: You've watched it more times than I have, clearly, So this is one object coming into frame and another object that's now crossing under it.

2:13:04 Speaker 7: One continues, one comes in, which would be what we're calling the missile. So it's two different things go in two different directions.

2:13:12 Speaker 2: Oh, they actually might have been on screen together for a second. You're right, I don't I don't have I don't have I don't have great.

2:13:26 Speaker 3: Right here, they're both so unless this is a fucking.

2:13:33 Speaker 2: Lag from our like our sensor data, and it's it's actually happening in real time somehow, and breaking that is.

2:13:44 Speaker 3: I mean, it does look interesting. I'll give you that. Holy that.

2:13:50 Speaker 6: I mean that.

2:13:52 Speaker 3: That looks crazy. Yeah, that's.

2:14:00 Speaker 7: Sorry.

2:14:00 Speaker 2: If I was the guy targeting asked, I mean, I would love to hear the what they actually see, because again back to Vito's point earlier, you know these nineteen second videos, like did anything else happen? Like?

2:14:14 Speaker 3: Is that is that a missile being launched? What's the verifiable here?

2:14:20 Speaker 4: What's the thirty seconds of discussion happening before and after?

2:14:24 Speaker 3: Right?

2:14:24 Speaker 2: And now, okay, is there another one? Where's that point d fucking square one? That's the one I want to see?

2:14:29 Speaker 4: Which one?

2:14:30 Speaker 5: There's one as we're zooming at the screen real fast that's at the bottom, Lenk.

2:14:34 Speaker 3: There was one that like looked like a fucking Rubik's cube.

2:14:37 Speaker 8: Hey, guys, I gotta jump off. Thanks for having me. I'll see you guys at the next.

2:14:42 Speaker 4: By buddy.

2:14:43 Speaker 5: Oh, the piggy one, that's the first one. I don't know, weird shaped one.

2:14:47 Speaker 3: I don't know if that's what it's being called.

2:14:49 Speaker 6: But it's oh yeah, it is being called that actually because of it.

2:14:53 Speaker 14: Yeah, veto Yeah, if they go to the wardsite, if you go back to war Dog, go go to the fourth tranch, separate the videos or you know, go to the far right and then the.

2:15:09 Speaker 4: Pull down and organize just the videos. It's the last video on the second page.

2:15:15 Speaker 3: All right, I'll do that. So what do you guys? What do you guys know about this?

2:15:20 Speaker 1: So far.

2:15:22 Speaker 4: Weird?

2:15:22 Speaker 5: Which one the fall?

2:15:25 Speaker 3: Flying what'd you call flying piggy?

2:15:27 Speaker 4: Flying pig? It almost looks like, yeah, I had It's funny because you know, I'm a big Pink Floyd fan, right, and they have a flying pig. They have several iterations of a fly.

2:15:37 Speaker 5: Somebody somebody put Mick West's face on here.

2:15:39 Speaker 4: I was dying, Yeah, and I had to go. I had to go look it up to see if it was like like a razorback pig or just a regular.

2:15:48 Speaker 5: Discord. Yeah, if you're looking for that one, t it's the first video I posted in the in the three it's on Ashele's page.

2:15:59 Speaker 3: Do we want to give.

2:16:02 Speaker 4: No?

2:16:03 Speaker 3: No, no, no, My my internet is actually acting up for some reason.

2:16:08 Speaker 4: It's the ghost, the.

2:16:10 Speaker 5: Ghost in the machine.

2:16:12 Speaker 4: We're spreading too much truth.

2:16:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, the balloons whistling Mike's balloons.

2:16:20 Speaker 4: There.

2:16:21 Speaker 6: Now my face still looks the same as earlier.

2:16:23 Speaker 3: The Timberlake me.

2:16:25 Speaker 2: So I went to the last I went to the last video and it looks like a rendering. Wait is that Gino not knowing he's on camera still?

2:16:34 Speaker 5: I think?

2:16:34 Speaker 6: So?

2:16:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I'll kick him. Oh my god, he's gonna start jerking it.

2:16:38 Speaker 5: We're gonna be gonna say. I hope it doesn't turns like a porno.

2:16:44 Speaker 3: For his benefits.

2:16:46 Speaker 6: Go on back there?

2:16:47 Speaker 4: Who's that guy?

2:16:49 Speaker 2: Just so we don't get a bad exclusive. I don't want to get the I don't want to get that the bad exclusive.

2:16:57 Speaker 4: From it on its skin.

2:16:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, he just starts talking, Alexa play my midget porn playlist?

2:17:09 Speaker 5: What the fuck?

2:17:10 Speaker 4: Jesus Christ, you know.

2:17:15 Speaker 3: I can't find it. I did exactly what you said.

2:17:18 Speaker 13: I can't.

2:17:20 Speaker 4: Then he didn't do exactly what I said.

2:17:23 Speaker 3: Clearly, this is why you're supposed to be here.

2:17:26 Speaker 5: Man.

2:17:27 Speaker 4: Uh, well, I'll get out put in the chat.

2:17:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, so what does it look like to you guys?

2:17:35 Speaker 5: What are we talking about? Yeah?

2:17:37 Speaker 7: It's it looks like to me a collapse balloon. And Price said that was like a dinosaur or something. That's just clas it's I mean, it's just again, how you get from this to like a spaceship or anything to put attention on.

2:17:48 Speaker 6: There's just nothing there.

2:17:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'll say that much at least like I don't Yeah you did. I don't know how. It's some kind of you know, it's not particularly aerodynamic.

2:18:01 Speaker 5: Yeah, you did it accidentally when you were when you were kicking Gino. He happened to be popping up when you.

2:18:08 Speaker 1: Know.

2:18:08 Speaker 5: It wasn't intentional for sure.

2:18:10 Speaker 6: They took out Jean's done the shadow.

2:18:15 Speaker 5: Okay, take a Gino to let him know.

2:18:17 Speaker 3: Yo, I got the video.

2:18:19 Speaker 5: Oh you turn on his Alexa.

2:18:25 Speaker 3: I got the video. I got it.

2:18:27 Speaker 5: Geane.

2:18:27 Speaker 6: If you see a red laser light, buddy, get out of the way of it.

2:18:31 Speaker 4: So I'm sitting outside.

2:18:32 Speaker 5: I've had the eighty escorts. You better watch out.

2:18:34 Speaker 4: Helicopter's been flying over all day too, those little black Robinson's.

2:18:41 Speaker 3: What Okay, this is.

2:18:46 Speaker 5: What is now?

2:18:47 Speaker 6: You see the pick tie?

2:18:49 Speaker 2: Yeah?

2:18:50 Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, okay, okay, I do see it, do you? Okay?

2:18:56 Speaker 5: So that that does look like a clump of fucking balloons to me, and the fact that the clip is like fourteen seconds. Again it shows nothing. It shows nothing. Now it looks cool. If that's really a ship, what the fuck is that? Where's it from?

2:19:09 Speaker 7: Yeah?

2:19:09 Speaker 4: I mean and again the only thing the you know, the white spots are those are those heat spots of some kind?

2:19:16 Speaker 5: Why they aied it. They aied it and AI added like all kinds of like lights and windows and shit and like added stuff to like, you know, people have AI enhanced it, and.

2:19:26 Speaker 3: It's just that's what.

2:19:28 Speaker 5: But but listen, if that truly is something that's anomaloust, they don't know what it is. They don't know it's a ship, et cetera. And it's legit. What is it? What's in there?

2:19:38 Speaker 2: That's definitely the most i'll say sick, the most alien looking.

2:19:43 Speaker 5: Of yeah, for sure, Yeah, organic, most organic alien looking like it's a live What.

2:19:49 Speaker 3: Is happening here?

2:19:50 Speaker 2: It's almost like it's it's almost like it lost its ability to lock it at the end here and.

2:19:58 Speaker 5: It slips it either that or moves.

2:20:01 Speaker 3: Out of frame. But again, look at the interference at the end here.

2:20:06 Speaker 5: Though, Yeah, well, yeah, what is all that, like, well, yeah, what I want to seetagetop giving us these little clips. This isn't a YouTube short, you know what I.

2:20:15 Speaker 2: Mean here you've said this earlier, Jeane. The interference almost becomes a little bit more interesting.

2:20:23 Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

2:20:24 Speaker 7: My guess is he was he was back on manual and he's gonna zoom out see if anything else is to the right, left, up or down. I mean, I think that's more of a simple answer versus like it somehow broke lock and took off at Maxwan.

2:20:38 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just well, what do you so you think this is some sort of just clump of balloons that's deflated, it's up in the air.

2:20:46 Speaker 7: Keep in mind, uh, I will say, don't work at aero. But Kirkpatrick has talked about how where once you have the you know, the sensor data, then you can program the sensors to look for this stuff. So a lot of what you're seeing, I think is for filming this because whether it's balloons or drone or anything else, they've.

2:21:05 Speaker 6: Got a lock on it.

2:21:06 Speaker 4: The guys breaking news, breaking news. What I think I think I found it. It's got it, Kurmy, I think that's it. Space.

2:21:24 Speaker 7: Oh kurmy, that it's just nothing to get excited about. I think that's what people got to say, like, let's go to the next one. Let's go to the next one. You get done at these and then you got to ask yourself, how many more two week to three week periods do we want to go through this ship?

2:21:41 Speaker 2: Well?

2:21:43 Speaker 3: I wonder, I wonder how many more trenches there are?

2:21:49 Speaker 6: There's a lot, there's a lot.

2:21:50 Speaker 5: And why a sudden.

2:21:55 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure, but I will.

2:21:58 Speaker 4: An interesting choice of words is because it is it's French and origins of course, and it indicates a piece. Really, yeah, we're giving you a piece of something.

2:22:14 Speaker 5: Ah, so that's what. But it's just funny. It's like it's the word that everybody's using. That's like the word. It's just it's the buzz, right, like everybody knows what it means. Right, It's like UAP, like stop, it's fucking UFO's like when uses.

2:22:28 Speaker 2: When Jesse Michaels uses a ten dollars word to say the most basic thing.

2:22:33 Speaker 7: Yeah, but tie from what I've heard from both the people when we talk about these, and did I see anything that look anything from what's being said to me from folks literally in alphabet agencies and military is that there is at least a year worth of this stuff that's ready to go, and so nobody really understands, well, don't think that, like this is what they dug up, and then two weeks from now, it's like this is what we got for this two weeks like there's literally shit on the table. They're the ones picking to give us, whether it's four files or twenty five files.

2:23:05 Speaker 7: And then you look at the doctor Phil thing. Now, now doctor Phil is going to get early access to it. I think you're fucking seeing entertainment and a narrative. You can dump the whole shit tomorrow. But why would you when there's a billion a billion and a half used on this stuff. I mean, like, you know, look a little more at what's going on here. We're getting shitty shit, we're loving it, and there's a year more worth of it, which means there's nothing big in it. Otherwise that would be the end.

2:23:27 Speaker 7: So you got a year of crap.

2:23:28 Speaker 2: Coming arguably, but you could you see, can you at least see why someone would maybe even with a conspiratorial mind, would look at that and go, they are seeding me to become more understanding that this that they are aware that this is real to some degree, right, whether these are all just like this is the ninety eight percent of bullshit they want me to at least have posed the question in my mind enough times and seeing enough bullshit, right, seen enough ship to go all right?

2:24:08 Speaker 3: Not not too bad?

2:24:09 Speaker 6: Right.

2:24:10 Speaker 2: What they're identifying as UFOs is mostly garbage. But that two percent that they're still withholding is paradigm shifting in it's just inherent nature. And that's what we end with.

2:24:27 Speaker 7: A lot of the JFK files, where we got a whole bunch of information. Sure have a lot of conspiratorial minds about who did it. How many shooters still don't fucking know. That's what reminds me of how come we've got more of these files and get them every two and three weeks. But out like the Epstein files or any other crazy shit, right, Like, there's a reason they're feeding it to you, And it's not because they want you to get disclosure or the truth necessarily.

2:24:50 Speaker 6: I mean, it's just like we're eating.

2:24:54 Speaker 3: I wonder who's asking for it? Well, I wonder, I wonder who's demanding it?

2:24:58 Speaker 2: So that because you gotta think that someone, someone's going to have a financial benefit somewhere, somewhere, somewhere down the line, there is someone who is saying reaping the benefits.

2:25:13 Speaker 4: Of this, Who Carl Nell, Loue el Asondo, Gary Nolan hall put.

2:25:19 Speaker 6: Off, Who's going to get funding from it?

2:25:29 Speaker 5: Yeah?

2:25:30 Speaker 4: Right, I'm asking the question. I mean, they they all have companies that are that are formed and and that's why I said earlier, they all have companies that if there's nothing to them beyond the paper that the companies exist, all of the companies are set up to exploit any technologies that can be exploited that come out of any release what you are saying at its head, and I can prove it. I'll send you all the documents.

2:26:11 Speaker 3: Some are what you're saying at the head right right.

2:26:15 Speaker 2: As to summize it is that the very people everyone in the community trusts is double dipping and gate keeping the real information to keep the mystery alive so that they can monetize the truth and the pursuit of said truth.

2:26:39 Speaker 7: Sometimes I don't think everybody's gate keeping. There's a whole lot of people that don't fucking know at all.

2:26:45 Speaker 4: What they are doing. Is on the one hand, right, So right now, the moneymaker is the monetization of the pursuit of truth. And so that is the public face of what there of their income stream, the books, the documentaries, the speaking fees, all of that stuff, right, that is what publicly is going on. That's the monetization of the pursuit of disclosure. They are hedging and behind the scenes and all of their interactions and their influence in government and in trying to open up the legislation and all of that work.

2:27:44 Speaker 4: The goal of that work is to structure the structure the release of whatever materials they are that they have an interest in, so that it's no longer monopolized by the big big guys.

2:28:08 Speaker 9: Right.

2:28:08 Speaker 4: They're trying to legislatively even out the playing field so that the companies that they have established, when this stuff breaks, they are able to move in and be contractors subcontractors. They are then able to pursue the integration layer that seemingly has not been done within any of these programs. So the history of this compartmentalization has been the research to development of the materials we see real time in the market, the acquisitions of the materials, the geopolitics between the US, Russia and China, on the on uh on, on acquiring and and and and limiting the materials right, all the bits and pieces.

2:29:19 Speaker 4: So so these guys advocating for disclosure right have they have their own pre and post disclosure plan. Their predisclosure plan is this monetization of the stories and the pursuit. But they want the structures and they're trying to influence the structures that will will ultimately regulate this industry. They want to be influential in that and have themselves positioned to then be able to exploit,

2:30:03 Speaker 4: exploit the that part the.

2:30:06 Speaker 2: New industry that blooms from a Okay, I mean I could see that.

2:30:12 Speaker 3: I could see that.

2:30:15 Speaker 2: So wrapping up for the most part, because I do getta I getta take off in a minute. Any last thoughts, So I Mike, has that been said anywhere, like definitively out in public, that there's that there's a whole summer's worth of this ship.

2:30:36 Speaker 6: I don't know.

2:30:37 Speaker 7: I mean what I say it is, that's not where I got it from. I definitely I talked to off but agencies. I'm talking to some more tomorrow on Monday. And what I'm telling you.

2:30:45 Speaker 3: Is to lay off anytime soon.

2:30:50 Speaker 7: Listen that the discussion we're having tonight is about is there anything there? And what the other side keeps telling me is like I need to wait too, And it's like, wait on what. And that's what they're to me is like, there's a year worth of ship and there's better stuff coming. That's what I'm telling you. I'm told I'm not telling you that apetizer. Well again, I may look at it and say it's not great. I'm just telling you what I was told.

2:31:13 Speaker 4: So I suppose you can go to the statement Loo made to me when I met with him and we were talking, you know, and I said about, well, you know, if I need to if there's something problematic in these works, do I need to pull them? Do I need to? And he said no, But they may want you to wait four or five years. Okay, they may want you to be quiet about it for four or five years.

2:31:39 Speaker 3: No, that's an interesting framing of that.

2:31:45 Speaker 4: So there is a timeline at play.

2:31:49 Speaker 6: Definitely a timeline that someone is in charge of regulation of somewhere.

2:31:56 Speaker 4: What I'm saying is there's there there seems to be a five year plan and that's something thing that a lot of businesses. That's the first thing you write when you start a business as a five year plan.

2:32:06 Speaker 3: Oh man, you know it's weird.

2:32:12 Speaker 2: Is like when TTSA first came on the scene, they said that they wanted to uh, not only just like build a craft, but that they wanted to be They wanted to get into the like media, like Hollywood movies. They said they wanted to get into It was like the the the design of of an intelligence, uh, overtaking right, like infiltration of each space. And it's kind of what we've seen happen. It's just not it hasn't been through TTSA the way that I think it was originally envisioned. It's like through this other means and methods that it's the same stuff is still happening.

2:32:59 Speaker 2: It's like it's always been there, just in plain sight.

2:33:03 Speaker 5: Right.

2:33:03 Speaker 2: They tell they've told us up from what they were going to do. Uh, and now it's being executed, and we find ourselves.

2:33:11 Speaker 4: Right and we and we forget and we forget about it because somebody says there's a monolith on the moon. Yeah, and I'll show you and you and you know this whole I'll bring us up. I'll show you. So can you see my arrow pointing around there?

2:33:27 Speaker 2: No?

2:33:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, well so remember there, are you aware of this fund that the Tuttle Tuttle Capital had begun started.

2:33:37 Speaker 15: Yeah right, the foundation talk yeah, let me say whoops, sorry, all right, So so they started, so they started a fund.

2:33:48 Speaker 4: That fund is this red line, right, And what they did was they they started tracking disclosure in general. Right. So, so the Tuttle Foundation, the Tuttle Capital built a fund based upon that included companies that they assessed would profit from disclosure, okay.

2:34:16 Speaker 5: Okay, and.

2:34:18 Speaker 4: Their justification behind it was the idea that as revelations came out, the values of these companies, you know, would would jump in all the rest of it. So that's what this red line is. So essentially it's it's in the negative right now, even with all the news and all the developments, it's in the negative. What I've been doing is tracking the science. So using my father in law's works, right, I looked at the science and the materials that he described, and I found the companies that are doing that science and the in tracking the market for those materials.

2:35:10 Speaker 4: All right. I took all of that and created a mock fund right, so not really being traded but tracking. Okay, this line is that mock fund right, the green line, the green line. So what this shows is that through you know, this this same period as tuttle, but from different starting points, that as the disclosure story has evolved, that the materials in the science have exponentially grown. So these are these are real numbers. This is real buying and you know, real one of companies operating in these spaces pursuing that same science and the materials.

2:36:09 Speaker 3: And this is the valuations all tracked over long points.

2:36:13 Speaker 4: So if this were a real fund.

2:36:17 Speaker 3: It would have grown this much. It's easy to calculate.

2:36:19 Speaker 4: It's performing nine almost nine percent better than the entire s and p.

2:36:28 Speaker 6: You're fucking kidding me, Just to throw in on that real fast.

2:36:32 Speaker 7: So the tuttle is good. Yeah, the tunnels and ETFs an ETF. Rather than you're trading bowing, you're lockeyed. He picks out companies he thinks has to do or would if it was true with UFO manufacturing and what they would gain from it. So his folder may have eight, ten, twelve companies that he thinks would be those companies either buys more or less of them, So all you're buying is his ETF and he's the one that picks the companies for it.

2:36:58 Speaker 5: So it's.

2:37:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's kind of what the bundle.

2:37:03 Speaker 4: The bundle if I if I recommended the companies based on what I've got and what I'm working with, including the materials, refining and everything else. If you if you put down ten dollars, you'd have eighteen thousand dollars right now.

2:37:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is and this is what I found very interesting. Again, this is like a kind of a side tangent before we end. Here is this whole idea of like poly market and like these new betting platforms that have like they're they're like making everything a betable thing. I just don't understand why what like why that's happening. But UFO disclosures on these things.

2:37:56 Speaker 4: Like on Yeah, and again that's that's just driven by

2:38:02 Speaker 4: driven by playing the odds. Why because everybody wants to try and make a you know, gamble on everything. That's what it is, what you know, what this is. This is what I'm talking about though when I'm saying they can say what they want. This is what's happening behind the scenes. This is where the real UAP disclosure economy. This is the money that you can demonstrate that the money is being spent and what it's being spent on.

2:38:38 Speaker 2: Right, So this is like, this is kind of like a follow the money, follow the markets that would get would be affected, that will be affected by advancements in uh right, material science.

2:38:53 Speaker 4: And again, the only way I'm able to do this and discern it is by following my father in law's work, which has appeared in you know again, the fingerprints are there in the US programs and all the and and all the rest of it. So it's it's it's again just purely following the evidence and where it leads to from that, and then correlating against what what's happening in America because this very if there wasn't legitimacy to it, then this would look worse than probably you know this, this line should look worse than this red line by by all logic, Yeah right, it outperforms even the S and P five hundred.

2:39:44 Speaker 7: Veto's going crazy on Robinhood after hours buying gene stuck.

2:39:49 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, where mirror your mirror? What's this? What's her face?

2:39:54 Speaker 2: Right?

2:39:54 Speaker 5: You do that with this and make a lot.

2:39:57 Speaker 4: That's exactly I'm going to put it out there and yeah, you know this is.

2:40:04 Speaker 5: That'd be hilarious. You like trading with black with black rock if you making billions.

2:40:09 Speaker 2: Before we before we jet out Gene any uh, I forgot to ask you this any any update for the documentary release date or is that just uh on pause?

2:40:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's not on pause. It's it's one of those things that it's like, so everybody wants to make it bigger, right, which takes more money. I've had a couple of other producers that have contacted me that you know, they're looking everything over. They want to you know, get into it. So it's like, I don't want to finish it, you know, finish it on a shoe string budget. If somebody is gonna come in and and do something bigger with it, uh, fair enough, and you know, and things have been moving fast.

2:41:05 Speaker 4: So it's again making sure that the story we're telling in it, you know, isn't old by the time, it doesn't come out reflective of the of the Yeah, which for the most part, it's not right. You know, we're they are, but it's like, can we can I got to do something really impactful with it. Yeah, just as these things are changing.

2:41:30 Speaker 5: Yeah.

2:41:31 Speaker 2: The only reason I ask is uh uh to kind of wrap things up and see where everyone's at.

2:41:37 Speaker 5: But uh.

2:41:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, to wrap say it again, to wrap things up, because if I don't say it to myself.

2:41:45 Speaker 3: You guys know, I'll keep going.

2:41:47 Speaker 5: It's on your show. I don't want to I don't want to cut you know what I mean, I'll go at night.

2:41:53 Speaker 2: I'm looking at the clock literally right now, specifically the clock. I'm specifically staring at the camera that's right next to the clock.

2:42:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought we were gonna be done to eight forty five.

2:42:05 Speaker 5: Yeah.

2:42:05 Speaker 3: I have at that so hard say that shit, and I just can't do it.

2:42:10 Speaker 5: I don't know why you even attempt to say anything like that. Just we're gonna go No, I know.

2:42:15 Speaker 3: But also, you've been writing this new Blackgrove fucking.

2:42:20 Speaker 5: Thing.

2:42:21 Speaker 3: I know you've been talking about that. You just showed us something from it.

2:42:25 Speaker 2: So that is what can be expected when if someone were too subscribed to said letterhead.

2:42:30 Speaker 5: Actually, you know, I was gonna ask you about that. All that stuff you're reading is that all you or is a lot of it? Like AI compiling your thoughts, because it's a lot you're writing.

2:42:38 Speaker 4: Dude, like it's ampressed by it. It's a lot. So I've got I've got myself and two other people. The other two are actually one is actually a financial person, the other one's a business guy. And so yeah, there's a there, there's a model that we run information through that ensures that the discipline is maintained in the assessments. So there's you know, sometimes there's things where I'm like, oh, you know this is you know, this says something nice, and I don't want it to, you know, because my personal prejudices, you know, come in as I'm reading something.

2:43:20 Speaker 4: But I have to sit back and be like, but this is what the assessment says. Now when I talk about it, I can interject my personal assessment.

2:43:31 Speaker 3: Of you know, of things from the data.

2:43:36 Speaker 4: Right. So so I'm very much ensuring that the analyticals so so as far as you know, the the automation, the AI component of it, Yeah, that is there to ensure that the parameters are are strictly maintained throughout all of the products. We of course input again what you know, what we're what we're looking to get out of it, validate that so yeah, we've got a tight, little, tight little machine running.

2:44:11 Speaker 5: I like it.

2:44:12 Speaker 3: I like it, Vito, anything's anything fun coming up?

2:44:17 Speaker 5: I just did a dry review. I got another one. On the gaming side, I took a break from the live I usually take a break during the summer for the live streams for the gaming side, and then I come back in September. So September is gonna be some different stuff. But on the UFO side, video UFO seventy six, I have an interview with level Logan dropping. Then I got another video that I'm dropping over the next few weeks. It's gonna be it's gonna draw some attention to my channel. Mushore. It's gonna be good or bad, but yeah, it's gonna you'll see.

2:44:47 Speaker 3: It's gonna be fun, fun, fun, fun.

2:44:50 Speaker 5: It's gonna piss some people off.

2:44:52 Speaker 3: I like, hey, I like getting pissed off over shit.

2:44:55 Speaker 2: I can't wait. Sounds like fun. Let me know, let us know when it happens, so we can be prepared to depending.

2:45:00 Speaker 5: I'm joining you guys in Boston in a couple of weeks, right.

2:45:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, So speaking Lenvil Logan, we're bringing them here to the studio.

2:45:08 Speaker 3: Gene will be behind the keys. Of course, Vito, you're gonna be tagging along.

2:45:13 Speaker 2: But before right before that, we have Dean Alioto coming into the studio as well. And then so those are the next couple of weeks, next couple of guests. Uh, for total disclosure, I'm sure while you're here, Vito will probably sit down and do like something in the other you know, in the green room.

2:45:31 Speaker 3: Uh, something more nonchalant that you know, because.

2:45:34 Speaker 4: We have our pajama party.

2:45:36 Speaker 5: I think you're interviewing, Uh you know what I'll ask you off the air.

2:45:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I'm having Jason Sands and Angela Ford. Angela Ford, I'm gonna have to go to Maryland for so it's still gonna be in person. It's just she can't travel here.

2:45:52 Speaker 4: Uh.

2:45:52 Speaker 3: She was in the the uh uh the remote viewing program.

2:46:00 Speaker 3: Air Force and remote Viewing are.

2:46:02 Speaker 2: Actually two common threads that are gonna be coming up a lot as far as guests in the future, at least for the foreseeable future.

2:46:10 Speaker 3: But definitely got a lot of fun, fun.

2:46:12 Speaker 2: Episodes to go and of course, uh, doing these every every you know, once a month or whatever it is call in shows, and just getting a panel together is super fun. We'll definitely do the pajama party. I like that idea a lot. We could do that right over in the next room.

2:46:30 Speaker 4: Gonna see, I'm gonna I'm gonna look for some aliens and we're gonna do it.

2:46:34 Speaker 3: We'll do it all sexy like and it would be great.

2:46:37 Speaker 4: It'd be great lauingerie.

2:46:40 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, uh so that's gonna be really fun. That's gonna be really fun.

2:46:45 Speaker 2: Uh So, you know, as I always said, Mike, I mean, Mike, you left Twitter, you left X. I don't expect you to have anything in the work.

2:46:53 Speaker 6: Yeah, really really not.

2:46:54 Speaker 7: You know, I mean everybody knows went into Aero as a as a business man. Right at some point time you got to get back to business.

2:47:00 Speaker 6: So that time is now.

2:47:02 Speaker 7: But I will say I appreciate, you know, anytime brothers give me a call or text and still jump on YouTube. But I like how we actually class it up. It's very Walter Kronkitke like you smoking and the light shining on. Yeah, I thought you nailed it tonight.

2:47:18 Speaker 5: So yeah, like I like, I like the set up, I like I like the camera switches were real smooth.

2:47:23 Speaker 6: Thank you.

2:47:24 Speaker 3: That Gene usually does that that's the funny thing about that.

2:47:29 Speaker 5: Break tonight.

2:47:30 Speaker 3: No no, no no, it was my fault that Gene can't be here. It's my fault. I'll take ownership of that. So everyone, as always, stay almost, stay kind, stay vigilant. We'll see you on the other I gotta draw this out a little bit the other