Former USAF Analyst Reveals Ongoing Contact with Non-Human Intelligence| Ft Michaela Fachar

0:10 Speaker 1: I was just ten years old when we're broken. My beloved country, the Democratic Republic of Congo, my peaceful childhood and a small village in eastern Congo was over. My family life shattered, my country turned apart by violence. Rebels came from my little sister face. Then they took my father. A witness borough violence, death, massacre, looting and horror I couldn't even describe. Every armed group was recurring childholders, a thousands of us and ours. Next, that is when my father made the hardest decision of his life.

0:42 Speaker 1: He sent me away, telling me it is better to die innocent than to become a horrible person. A twelve year old, I fled alone on foot into the unknon six thousand kilometers, six countries, illegal borders, impossible obstacles. I family riched South Africa. Her journey was an over. The city of Cape Town became my new home, but survival meant a new battle about with crime, drags, and more violence. At my lowest, when something unexpected happened, two missionaries found me on the street. Their love and their faith changed my life forever.

1:18 Speaker 1: My escape from the street was over, but my real journey, the journey of hearing and reconsoliation had just begun. That journey led me back to my Homebland. I had to find my family true forgiveness. I reignited with my father and my little sister. She showed me the power of love over her tred. She had been broadially abused during the war. She could barely look in anyone's eyes. But one day she looked into mine and said, brother, keep on laving. She had every reason to hate, but she chose love. The world regnited a love from my people for my nation, a country that has androed chenses of violence, yet still days to hope and confront evil with God.

2:04 Speaker 1: Two weeks later, my sister passed away from the wound their abuse had inflicted on her. But her words, they expect something, they ignite. The vision behind Focus Congo a vision of hope, redemption and transformation. Focus Congo exists to see hopperers again within the people of Congo. We want to see congress people share likes us, not defined by their past, but by the promise of their God given destiny. It is my faith and my heavenly hope that continued to bring me back to Kongo to be a bearer of hope.

2:35 Speaker 1: A peacemaker and to empower others to do the same. We provide food for the hungry, water for the thirsty, marker, heard for the sake, shutters for the vulnerable, and edication for the next generation.

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3:19 Speaker 5: Welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name's Thai and I am the host of the program. Today marks something that for an ror that I've been looking forward to for quite some time.

3:33 Speaker 3: This has been building and building and building.

3:36 Speaker 5: We're finally here and having some sort of semblance of going from you know, remote interviews, which I don't really like, uh you don't feel the energy as much. But today we flew in our guests and I'm super excited to have this discussion we have today. Someone who's been on the show before the episode we did previous is still in my top twenty. She is a experiencer and former military veteran and whistleblower. Mikayla Fashar has traveled into Boston and at tdpre Studios for today's discussion. How you doing, I'm good?

4:17 Speaker 4: How are you?

4:19 Speaker 5: I'm fantastic Again. It's been a really long road coming, and you know, seeing this, seeing the conversation go from boxes on a computer screen to flying people in and you know, being able to feel the energy.

4:37 Speaker 3: I caught that bug when I.

4:38 Speaker 5: Did my first few in person interviews at Contact in the Desert last year, and I just I knew that that was the next step the show needed.

4:49 Speaker 3: And with the help.

4:50 Speaker 5: Of the people behind the camera, and you know, Logan is the mascot, we've been doing well.

4:57 Speaker 3: So how is your trip in?

4:58 Speaker 4: It was good? Yeah, yeah, I just flew in from DC. It was a nice trip. Met Jean at the airport.

5:05 Speaker 5: Yeah. He's wonderful, right, yeah, incredible. Uh, former military, so it's easy to acclimate and talk to. And yeah, so our last conversation was.

5:16 Speaker 3: Really, really, really interesting. A lot of people.

5:20 Speaker 5: That was right after the bombing of the or not the bombing, but when the Tesla caught fire outside of Trump Tower in Vegas, the Matthew Livelsburger stuff, and that's kind of how I got to know you through that scenario. So for anyone who doesn't know, or maybe doesn't remember, can you give me just a little bit of an introduction and background on who you are.

5:47 Speaker 4: Sure my name is Mikhaela Fachar. I was an Air Force veteran. I worked in intelligence. I worked in the intelligence community. I've held several civilillion jobs in the IC, which is short for Intelligence community. I was an all source intelligence analyst in the Air Force Reserve. I did a deployment to Aludd Air Base and Cutter and then I've also done a few active duty stints here and there, to include Currentlin Air Force Base in New Mexico where I did counter space intelligence for Air Force Research Laboratory.

6:26 Speaker 5: Wow, so you have I mean, you have quite the quite the background in intelligence and all source is an all source analysts?

6:37 Speaker 4: Yes?

6:38 Speaker 5: Right, So you're you know, collecting data from uh several you know, all sources and kind of whittling it down to a package that you can deliver to someone in the field maybe or your higher ups. Is that kind of how it works? What brought you into the up community? Going from you know, a very young person who seemed to have the world by the by the grips and you could do whatever you wanted.

7:14 Speaker 3: How did you end up here today?

7:17 Speaker 5: Like?

7:17 Speaker 3: How did you get into the UFO world?

7:21 Speaker 5: You know? Is it a sighting or is it something else?

7:23 Speaker 4: After my deployment to Al you Did Air Base in Qatar, I came back I started my first semester at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service. This was in fall of twenty twenty one. During my time at Georgetown, in these first few months starting there, I started to experience what I could only describe at the time as perhaps some sort of psychotic features or psychosis, and it came in the form of thoughts that were very on the There was nothing to compare to my past like I've never had, like a series of thoughts in epiphanies, rather about human affairs, about where I would go on my trajectory in my future.

8:11 Speaker 4: I worked in national security and I was really I was focused on US China relations. But as I was deciding on what topic I would hype home in on to focus on during Georgetown, and this was on my spare time while I was attending school, I started to experience what people would now I know, experiencers describe in the form of my technology glitching. I had these thoughts about perhaps the world was going to come to an end. I never had this before, and it really started to kick off the second that I was doing research on what China was doing to leap frog the United United States with quantum technology.

8:55 Speaker 3: So that's a lot.

8:58 Speaker 5: How now I'm gonna be the skeptic here. How are we not sure that this is some sort of like you said, psychosis, like actual just mental health breakdown where.

9:14 Speaker 3: Like where drugs involved.

9:17 Speaker 5: You know, how, how are you sure that it wasn't that versus something else?

9:26 Speaker 4: Sure? So I started taking Straterra because I was having trouble focusing when I got back from my deployment. It seemed like I wanted to focus on everything. I can't do that for school. So stra Tara is a non stimulant adderall. Well, it's like adderall, but non stimulant. And I was just transitioning from Adderall, a stimulant, which I was on for a couple of weeks, when I decided I want to do a non stimulant. I don't like how I feel an aaterall. When I started Straterra one week, and that's when things started to accelerate.

9:57 Speaker 4: Suddenly I felt that I didn't need to take Straterra. I stopped cold turkey. But here's the thing. It wasn't my own realization, Like it wasn't my revelation that it was et contact. It was a Friday, and I have to get the date, end of October, October twenty fifth, weekend of twenty twenty one, where I was on my way to school and it was my class that I was going to at nine am, so I was going to Georgetown. I was driving to Georgetown from McLean, Virginia, where I lived, when a series of US government vehicles were getting in front of me and kind of direct.

10:34 Speaker 4: It felt that it was directing me. And I have to describe that more in detail to you because it's not clear cut. It felt they were directing me, and they were, and I started following them, and then I started to have these thoughts in my head. For example, I was driving and making a UI going back from Georgetown, following one of the US government vehicles to Arlington, Virginia, and the thought popped in my head to go fast, and I felt like I had to follow these vehicles because these happened immediately after I started to experience what I felt was the world coming to an end because United States and China would end up a nuclear war.

11:14 Speaker 4: So that epiphany was what really propelled me. Had it been any other day, I would not have felt that this was necessary. I felt in this moment, and I remember thinking about how I was thinking about it or thinking about my decisions. Rather, I felt that in the worst case scenario, I have mental health issues and I can just continue on and go to seek therapy, seek help, go get a diagnosis. But in the small case that I landed on something that we would go to war for some reason, I figured out they're going after quantum technology, that I would at least be able to notify people within the US government, and that maybe they had picked it up.

12:00 Speaker 4: I just want to caveat this. I would need to walk you through this series of things that led me to when I was brought to the hospital.

12:10 Speaker 5: Okay, so are these visions of nuclear war or all out conflict are you? Are you seeing it like a vision or is it a feeling urgency?

12:27 Speaker 4: I felt urgency, like fight or flight kicked in. I felt urgency. So I had worked in the intelligence community. I started reaching out to different people prior to this trip. When I was brought to Virginia Hospital Center, this was where this black program informed me that this is et contact. That's the only time when aliens popped in my mind. I had never thought this was et contact until they showed me depictions. It's not like you sit down and have a direct conversation, because if you have to explain something to someone without using some sort of interpretive kind of symbolism, if you have to sit down and over explain, that person is probably not supposed to be in a certain position.

13:13 Speaker 5: Right.

13:14 Speaker 4: So, in general, like they use symbolism, spiritual symbolism, and then the way that it was described with the symbolism is their extraterrestrials and the only this is a gift. The only way to really figure it all out for myself is through my subconscious and analyzing why it was that I was given this intervention or whatever, and then start to peel away and figure out logically and rationally why would this happen. So it was quite a few years I had to deal with it, go through different steps to do the process of elimination mental health.

13:54 Speaker 4: I went to psychiatry, I went to get a diagnosis. We went through differ from day. First of all, diagnosed me with like a thousand things and then it went away and he said, okay, well maybe it's just PTSD. But here's the thing. What would give me PTSD except for me to have this anomalous experience.

14:14 Speaker 5: I see where you're going to. You did go down the road of I'm having a mental break like you. You tried to figure that out and it wasn't until later on where someone comes into your hospital from a black program, and so I gotta at you. You I have to ask, I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't. I want to talk about that visit. Okay, first off, how are we not sure that they're doing something like the do you know Richard Benowitt's the story of Benowitt's with Rick Dody so Rick Dody soh Kirtland Air Force Base.

15:07 Speaker 5: By the way, it ties into it because you said you were at Kirtland right after.

15:12 Speaker 3: But I'm saying.

15:14 Speaker 4: I wanted to find to see if they had the UFO program because I started to get really obsessed with figuring out why, like there's some nexus between this and disclosure. So I actually I volunteered. I applied for a summer stint at Kirkland Air Force Base with Air Force Research Laboratory.

15:33 Speaker 5: Can you do me a favor and look up the Paul Benowitt's story and just get me the detail on it. So essentially what happens is Paul Benohitt's he's a calms guy and he's also a UFO researcher. He decides that he's going to monitor the radio and all the you know, the ham radio signals, all the signals.

16:02 Speaker 3: He's pretty good at it too, because he.

16:04 Speaker 5: Picks up on something something that the Air Force did not want him to know. So they dispatched Dody, who was then at that time assigned to os I, so he was essentially tasked with And what they came up with was they told Paul, hey, you saw yep, you I think what you you got his aliens. I think what you came across is extraterrestrial. I think you're onto some And they fed him so much bullshit that he started to think that he was working with the government. Now he ended up killing himself because he was institutionalized.

16:47 Speaker 5: Rick Dody obviously, he says that he had a a relationship with Paul. He he cared for him, but that his boss was they were pressuring him because he did get He did garner access to a black program. It just wasn't alien, it was it was stealth, and he and they wanted to steal, steal, steer him away from that is, do I have that right essentially? And and when did Paul Benowitt's kill himself or commit unlive specifically? Yeah, but that was at Kirtland. And so how are we sure?

17:44 Speaker 3: And again.

17:46 Speaker 5: I asked this because other people will ask if I don't, how are we sure they're not doing something similar?

17:53 Speaker 4: So my process of elimination. I never had another encounter with the US government related to this incident. I was they like, let me go. My initial feeling was, oh wow, like this is a gift and aliens are real. I remember, and I was still inflicted because it was a kind of a stunning experience. I remember calling my childhood friend who I never spoke about extraterrestrials with. I don't care. I didn't care about that, and I said, guess what. The US government brought me to a mental hospital and told me that ET's are real.

18:29 Speaker 4: She's like, she's a pharmacist. She looks, She's like, okay, and what are we taking? And then I realized, I said, oh dang, like they really like that was smart because I realized that I don't sound.

18:42 Speaker 5: Sentence inherently sounds bad.

18:45 Speaker 4: Yeah.

18:46 Speaker 3: I was at a.

18:46 Speaker 5: Mental hospital and the government told me that aliens exist. Doesn't sound like it's inherently conundric. Yeah, and I think I just made up a word conundric.

18:57 Speaker 3: But so, okay, back to you. Tell me, was it men in suits? Bring me back to that moment.

19:10 Speaker 5: What was going through your mind that when they're telling you this stuff, like, bring me back there?

19:15 Speaker 3: What was said?

19:17 Speaker 5: Did they label it extraterrustrial?

19:21 Speaker 4: Then let me go back to the night prior to this. That's when my internet started to glitch out. I was having all these thoughts about like the conscious not conscious, not really consciousness, but quantum physics. And maybe we're not categorizing the war with China correctly, and they're going after quantum technology. We're not prioritizing like it was. I was racing, you understand, Like I'm looking at different data, like different assumptions to try to understand, okay, which like where should I go when I'm with my career so that I can focus on filling in a niche like a niche or niche niche ye, yeah, like exactly.

19:56 Speaker 4: My English is my first language. Sorry, So well, I was trying to figure this out and YouTube. This is when I had some impulsive decision making. I don't watch anything about celebrities or Hollywood or anything like this, but YouTube. There's a video recommended to me, very bizarre considering I don't look at that kind of content. I clicked it immediately. It was almost instinctual. This is when I start to fall into this like psychotic state because it feels so intentional, Like it feels like I'm intentional, but it's not me because I rationally would just not care for like some celebrity video.

20:32 Speaker 4: In this video, I don't even know who this content creator is. He's he was an Asian guy. He's speaking about the relationship between fans and celebrities and K pop celebrities. What he's describing in this video is basically that fans developed this bizarre relationship with celebrities and that's the K pop stars have to hide their romantic relationships because the fans start threatening them. And I felt that this was very odd because I've witnessed this behavior from people that I went to school with, not maybe in the most intense sense of the word, but I've seen this kind of dynamic and in this video, it would start glitching out and the symbol from signs the G. You know, it looks kind of like a pendulum sort of or keeps popping up on different areas, and that's what was tripping me out.

21:26 Speaker 4: I didn't really care for the video, but that was what was tripping me out.

21:31 Speaker 5: So you're saying on your computer, literally, signs are popping.

21:36 Speaker 4: The G the G, and it looks kind of kind of like a pen. I don't know if it's meant to be a pendulum, but it kind of looks like a pendulum.

21:45 Speaker 3: So huh huh.

21:51 Speaker 5: Hmm.

21:54 Speaker 3: So what happens next?

21:56 Speaker 4: I start, I'm like my hands on desk. I'm like, no way, dude, Like this is not like I'm like, I can't. I already know I'm falling, you know what I'm doing during this time while I'm like, I feel myself kind of losing grip with reality because of this thing going on and this like weird dynamic that I'm I feel like something is like propelling me. I don't feel like it's et or anything like that, but I do feel this is very different. I'm doing math, like basic gre math questions to make sure that I still have my rational mind.

22:28 Speaker 4: I'm still like doing like the gr questions out of Jerry books. So I'm making sure, okay, like, let me make sure I'm still ground in reality while this is going on. That was the night before I was compelled to go or compelled to go to the hospital.

22:44 Speaker 5: Okay, And then we're at the hospital, and tell me about the people that tell you that that come in and tell you this, So how to bring me back in the hospital.

22:58 Speaker 4: I so the last car that brought me to the hospital, and I had never heard of Virginia Hospital Center. I've never been to a hospital like in Virginia and never for it, never been to anywhere for mental health issues.

23:13 Speaker 5: So you that was another Actually I should have asked that sooner. So no prior history of any disassociation or problems with perception of reality, no mental health diagnosis prior to this episode.

23:31 Speaker 4: No, okay, okay, besides getting the straterra, the recent straterra medication.

23:38 Speaker 5: Right right medication, so.

23:42 Speaker 3: You check into the hospital.

23:44 Speaker 4: Well, the last vehicle was not a US government vehicle. And this was a point where I was saying to myself, I don't see the US government vehicle because I'm trying to follow it. But I get stuck at a red light and I'm following it. It goes on the highway. I follow highway and as I'm about to approach Arlington, I said, you know what, like I need to go. I'm going to just go straight to Georgetown. We have free mental health services called CAPS. I'm going to go straight to counseling and get this figured out because I can't afford I'm going to school, very expensive school I can't afford to like, and I have a top secret clearance, right So I just at this point, I'm like, I can't risk having a mental health profile.

24:22 Speaker 4: But I can't risk whatever the whatever I'm doing right now. So I get off the highway. It's Arlington, Virginia. I'm in the left lane so that you can literally go over the bridge and go back, so I can go back towards Georgetown, towards school. And I'm in the left lane, right left can left turn. Only the car in front of me is regular gray, not unmarked, nothing out of the ordinary, just a regular civilian vehicle or p personal vehicle. And the guy has his right blinker on but it's only left turn.

24:54 Speaker 4: And then he puts his hand out the window like this for me and I said, I feel like that he's signaling me. So then I feel again that intense feeling of compulsion to follow him, and I follow him. He turns into a Virginia hospital center, which I didn't even know it was a host I didn't even know where I was going. I thought it was obviously. I felt like, maybe this is a black program or something, but no, they brought me to the hospital. Go in there. I park my vehicle, I leave my phone in the car, and I follow him.

25:27 Speaker 4: He's a black dude, maybe like around my age, black eye with glasses. I follow him to the elevator in it's like the parking lot of the hospital. And while we're waiting for the elevator, I'm kind of standing there trying to play it cool because I thought, oh, like this is some kind of black program. It feels government ish. I had nuclear war feelings. I speak Mandarin. Maybe maybe's I don't know, maybe they're interested in me, but I'm still trying to understand where I'm standing with my perception of reality too.

25:59 Speaker 5: Right, So the whole time you're you're actually having mental breakdown, kind of like you're still you're like grasping on to make sure that you're.

26:08 Speaker 4: I'm contending with Okay, what is the situation I'm in right now?

26:11 Speaker 5: And did he say anything to you?

26:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, he said one thing to me. Well, two things. The first thing is we're waiting for the elevator. He doesn't talk to me. I'm not going to talk to him because I said, you know, I know a thing or two about this, So no, I'm not going to do it.

26:25 Speaker 5: You're not going to open up dialogue.

26:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm like, I don't know what's going on. And one of the people who's like a normal hospital patient, she has like a baby. She presses the elevator and it's one elevator only can go up from this like parking level, and he says that hey, like he said, look at the arrow. The arrow says it's going down, but you're going up. And I look at it and I realized the arrow is upside down. I said, oh, yeah, huh. And then I don't know what to say, so we've follow him. Doesn't say anything. I follow him to a doctor's office and I'm not sure what they want, but it kind of feels like a test.

27:09 Speaker 4: So he brings me to the orthopedic office, which is not related obviously to mental health. And then he just plops himself right down on the chair and he sits like this, and he looks at me. So I'm like, I look at him. I'm trying to play it cool because I'm like, if i'm I don't want to look crazy, right, I can kind of like stifle it. I'm aware that there's an internal feeling of what this reality is and there's an external I'm not gonna like, I'm gonna keep the line separate so that I don't humiliate myself.

27:38 Speaker 4: And I'm standing there, I'm waiting and waiting line, and he looks at me. He says, are you just gonna wait in line? So then I feel that this is maybe me having to prove something that I'm not gonna wait in line that I know what's going on. I had no idea what was going on. So I just go reach the doors where the private you know, the patient in patient take or intake offices are in the orthopedic surgeon that section. I go all around and I go into the hallway and you know, the front desk where people were waiting wraps around.

28:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just go be lined straight to that and I try to check myself in I play it cool. The woman who's working the front probably admin or an assistant, doesn't act out of the ordinary, doesn't think I'm out of the ordinary because I'm playing it real cool. And she says, oh, she says, uh, who are you here to see? Well, well, you don't know well the others. So so I'm like, Okay, this has to be government. This has to be military maybe, right, But where is like the like the gray area where I can like try to see if it was connected maybe to my service in working one of the three letter agencies.

28:49 Speaker 4: I know a psychiatrists. He's not a psychiatrist, he's a psychologist. I had worked in an office where there was an army psychologist in the offic in the summer. So I name drop him because I'm like, that's the only person I could imagine. Maybe they maybe they have like their connections, because why would a government, if it is government, reach out to me. Nope, they don't have his name there. And I say, I just play along. I say, oh, okay, uh, I must be I must be at the wrong office. I'm gonna have to go check.

29:23 Speaker 4: So I go and I leave the office. I I'm like, I'm like, screw this. Sorry, I don't occurs. I'm like, screw this. I'm not I'm not humiliating myself, you know, like my ego is just like it knows right, Like I'm not a boundaries certain boundaries. So I'm like, now this is like a game. This person they're playing games. I'm pretty sure it's the government and they're playing games, which is really like, you know, it's really irritating me at that point, but I say, you know what, I have no choice. I'm just having mental health issues if anyone asks, because they can do that like kind of thing where they're intentional, but then they can pretend, you know, they do like these kind of game.

30:00 Speaker 4: So I said, okay, I'm just going to be aligned to behavioral Health unit. I go straight to behavioral health. I say, you know what, just check me in. At this point, I don't care. I needed they'll do diagnostic whatever. But I go to the behavioral health unit. I go to the elopement zone, which is like a barricaded door so it's an in it's a like an in house prison for people who are mentally unstable.

30:21 Speaker 5: And yeah, once the door is locked behind you.

30:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, So there was like a phone in front of the door, and I don't know why, my like association keeps like deferring back to government. It looks like a skiff at that time, So I keep flipping right. I'm like, I'm getting mental health. But there's like this association that keeps associating this experience with my time in the skiff. So I pick up the phone.

30:47 Speaker 5: Can you, sorry, can you explain what a skiff is? Just for anyone who doesn't know.

30:55 Speaker 4: It was like a special It's a compartment.

30:57 Speaker 5: Secure, compartmentalized information facility. So uh, it's a place where top secret people go to talk about top secret shit in the open, no technology allowed.

31:09 Speaker 4: God, and we work in them. We just like a nine to five job. We're just being a skiff. And sorry,

31:19 Speaker 4: I just al zero. Someone picks up and is a little confused. She says, uh, hello, I said, hi. I feel like I have to be here. I feel like I have to be seen. And she says, okay, who are you? Said, I'm just someone who walked into the hospital and I need to be seen, And she says, okay, I'm coming right out. One second. She comes right out. She sees me. She walks me to the front desk of the hospital where you initial taken for anything. I think, right when you first walk into an emergency room, and that's where they check me in.

31:52 Speaker 4: And then I go sit down. She goes back into her elopement zone, the ellotement zone, that barricaded area. I'm waiting there and suddenly I hear my name MICHAELA Mikayla. They say Mikayla, and people call me Mikayla. But I still like, look around because it's so frequent. And I look and I see another girl going into the office, into the intake office, and then I hear Mikayla again, and she's walking slow and she looks at me and she like kind of stops, or so it feels like it. But let me just let me just explain this too.

32:32 Speaker 4: We can't land on it being actually all government or it actually just me somehow being able to bypass all of these different processes, you know what I mean. So let me explain to you. It's still up in the air even to this day. Who was part of it? Who wasn't this black program? Okay, And I'll explain. You're to my confirmation for the black program in a little bit. So and the second time the name is called. I look at her. I say, okay, I'm gonna follow her into the office. I follow her, this stranger straight into patient intake and the nurses taking her in.

33:11 Speaker 4: She's sitting across from me, and I'm just sitting on a chair right in front of her. I just plant myself right there, and I'm out of it. I'm like completely like what's going on? But i feel like, okay, I'm just gonna say her. They pretend like I'm not there. Who's the nurse and the stranger? And are we aware of hipA violations? Because this was certainly one of them. They just let me do my thing. And I'm sitting there kind of like you know, inside, having like a little bit of like a WTF. But again, I'm not showing it on the surface.

33:46 Speaker 4: I'm just sitting here, like what's going on? They ignore me. She's getting checked, and I have this weird thought pop in my mind about a hall of mirrors, like I'm in some sort of it's like not black mirror, but there's like a mirror, and this is supposed to be some sort of like I'm supposed to understand or interpret this as a mirror of some sorts whatever, and I'm waiting. Then nurse leaves, and I think to myself, there's no way that this is not a government program, because how am I allowed to sit here.

34:24 Speaker 4: So I go straight to the computer where they check them in. The nurse is only one who can use it, and I try to register myself because I think that now they're trying to mess with me, that this is government because I never never a thought crossed my mind I could just like walk around and do whatever I want as a pay, as a potential patient, or just anyone. And while I'm about to check myself in, the nurse comes back in the room. She's like, what are you doing? And I said to her, I said, oh, I'm crazy.

34:57 Speaker 4: I need help. I'm crazy. I just said it. I was like, I'm crazy. I just need help. She's like, you're not supposed to be on there. It's a hip a violation. She says it like this, right. She speaks to me like a mental patient. So I said, okay, cool, this is still weird, right because I was in the room the whole time and they were ignoring me. So then I go, I stand up and I go sit on the chair. She like, whatever, takes care of the lady and lets her go about, lets me still stay there, and then she registers me.

35:26 Speaker 4: And then I'm going in a what are the gurn not a gurney?

35:30 Speaker 5: What a gurny?

35:31 Speaker 4: You know? It's the what's that where they like stretcher? There you go. But I'm not like tied down, right, I'm laying on the stretcher in the er room and they're waiting for a room to open up at this point. Right, So after I checked in get on this stretcher, they wheeled me there and they left me there for like seven hours. And while I'm in there, I'm looking around me and I'm like, I don't know if this is a government program, but I'm thinking to myself, I don't know if I should get out of it, because this is mental health.

36:02 Speaker 4: Like I'm having either government program mental health issue. Regardless of the situation. This experience was giving me mental health issues at that point. So I said, you know what, I'm in the right place. Screw it, I'm just going to stay. And as I'm sitting there, there were these kids, like these younger guys maybe like in twenties, who are walking by me, and they're kind of looking at me and walk by me like quite a few times. And they have logos like you know when you have like the logo fonts and a letter like X is split because it's the style, so it's kind of split.

36:36 Speaker 4: What is that called glitch style? Yeah, logo. What started happening was this person kept walking by and I don't know if he's just walking around the hospital or something. What happened to my perspective, my perception, my visual perception is it wouldn't make out the whole letter anymore. I could only see the parts. I couldn't see the whole letter. Your mind automatically helps you incorporate a whole structure if it's supposed to be a symbol of something, so X being a symbol of the letter. But when it was split in half, I could only see the hals and I couldn't see it.

37:08 Speaker 4: So something started happening to my visual perception. Anyway, I'm sitting there and finally six hours later, I'm having these intense internal experiences which are like mental health experiences. Obviously it's all mental and I finally am checked into the elopement zone. They had made a room for me. While I'm in there, I'm in psychosis, volunteering myself. They give me a time limit. She's like, you have this much time to sign all this paperwork. So as I'm signing it, I really like I can't even focus.

37:43 Speaker 4: At this point, I'm I'm not really sure what time it is. I'm not I'm kind of forgetting where I am, and I'm starting to lose grip with reality. Right, I'm completely losing grip with space time. But I have to sign these fasts. So I sign all the paperwork and then they take it and then they I mean my gown. They take all my stuff and I'm in grippy socks. Right, I'm like, okay, cool, I'm sitting there. As I'm sitting in grippy socks, I'm sitting there. I'm like, I'm like damn. I'm like, I don't. I'm like, I shouldn't have come here, right, because it's been like seven hours at this point.

38:17 Speaker 4: I didn't have my phone the whole time. My husband's off work and I missed him. I'm just thinking I should have just waited, Like why did I I felt like I had to come, But I don't think this is a government program. I think I'm having mental health issues. But now that I recognize it, I should have just went a normal way and not when impatient and I don't have my phone or anything, so I'm sitting there. As I'm sitting there, I started getting these like what you call downloads.

38:44 Speaker 3: So I was going to bring that up earlier.

38:48 Speaker 5: It sounds like something that could have happened as you were beginning some sort of process of what people have referred to in the past as downloads of future possible scenarios. And you're looking into the quantum side of things, and I mean, we if we want to talk about quantum, not to divert your because I want to finish this this story, but you're looking into quantum technology, You're having visions of the of of a possible future. You're you're well, you're having feelings of.

39:32 Speaker 4: The US that Washington d C is not China's figure something out and they're they're not figuring it out right, and that like China, And I don't know why I thought China's quantum technology was going.

39:45 Speaker 3: To right that is surpassing us.

39:50 Speaker 5: So the fact that you're looking into these things, you might have been the right person to get this information to because you do have a top clearance. You do have you know the China background and maybe yeah, maybe so I wanted to say it earlier, but this download idea, it starts to make sense, right. Uh, so we're skipping forward a little bit due to time. You're when you're in the inpatient, when you're in that locked room.

40:31 Speaker 3: To people, is that when the people come.

40:33 Speaker 4: To you, and so I have to call I'm sorry.

40:40 Speaker 4: There's like a bookshelf in the main room. There's like a little playroom. You have coloring pages and stuff like that. That's the main room, not your bedroom. I'm sitting in there and I get this nudge, this compulsion again to grab one of the books. And it's a book called California. It's kind of like humans of California, just everyday photographs of people, like construction workers, things like this. I open, I flipped to a page and the page is of a dark forest and it's like a glow in the dark forest.

41:11 Speaker 4: But the page with the page is talking about is crisper not a crisper gene editing, not talking about anything related, like I don't know why there was a forest, which honestly, like people will do like they'll do things that are unconscious, like they won't be very intentional about everything they do, so it doesn't always mean it's intentional. But I got this idea, this this something came in my mind saying we created you. And I didn't know, but it was the first time I was like, is this like some sort of I entertained extraterrestrial like they genetically edited humanity?

41:48 Speaker 4: I mean, I said, you know, I don't know if it was about me or human race whatever. I just like, I was just I was like, oh, like I threw it aside because I said, I don't need to be crazy anymore. I'm good, Like you know, I just said to get put aside.

42:01 Speaker 5: But this was a voice that was not your own, saying we created you.

42:05 Speaker 4: He's like feminine, very like he created you. But again I'm like, I don't need this right, I'm not trying to be like anywhere cuckoo, Like I just need to figure out this is like a government thing or whatever. While I'm sitting there, there was a doctor, not a doctor, but he he I think he was a worker and he was from Pakistan and he was Muslim. He told me and he asked me. He pulls me aside He's like, I want to ask you a question, and he pulls me aside. He said, I'm the CEO of Google, and I want to see if you're in a government, if you're in an American government position, he said, would you do me favors?

42:47 Speaker 4: If you just use your position to do me some favors.

42:51 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, what yep?

42:56 Speaker 5: Who is the CEO of Google.

42:57 Speaker 4: It's not this guy, it's not him. Listen to the question, right, Like, I want you to a focus on the question. He asked me if I would use my position a position of consequence for the for Americans to do him a favor. It was an ethical question, and I remember being being disgusted because.

43:17 Speaker 5: I said, like he was trying to see if you would still.

43:22 Speaker 4: Commit treason, not necessarily treason. I mean you have the internity. People go in and out different positions in DC, Like you go and work in the United Nations. You could go work for a Lockheed Martin. You could do all these different things, you know. But anyway, so he asked me that question, and I was like appalled because I said, like, I don't now I'm crazy. Now you're questioning my character, Like I don't know what's going on, but it's still now I'm led to believe again this has to be some sort of US government question, because obviously there's only one right answer.

43:53 Speaker 4: So if you're asking me this question, you're not looking for the wrong answer. And anyway, I walked away from him. I said, I'm not interested in this. And then that's when I went back to the library and I picked up a book. It was Ten Principles of Islam and I pick it up and I look at it's like a kid's book. He said, are you interested in Islam? He said, that's my religion, and I said, and I kind of ignored him because I just I want to know what this, what's going on? Right? I don't want to play these like dance around.

44:22 Speaker 4: I don't want to give him more information because I'm like, I don't know, I don't even know. I just grab a book. Anyway, I walked away from him. And then there was another guy. There is a maybe around my age, a black guy, and he sits by me, right, so these people are like engaging with me. This guy sits by me. There's a little desk and there's two chairs. He sits in that chair. He's like, I'm so tired, and he says it to me. He's like, I'm so tired. What do you recommend I do? I'm so tired. And then he keeps lifting his butt cheeks and farting, farting, and like usually like I would be so like I would be like so like I don't know, appalled and so I but I was so out of it at this point because it's like, the mind tricks are crazy right now on top of me having these weird downloads, these all these weird things going on.

45:14 Speaker 4: I've never been in a mental health facility, so that's also new experience. And I remember what I said to him, which is actually kind of funny. You know. I was like, you're not tired your potential energy, You're just you're at your you know, you could be like kinetic if you like really put your mind to it.

45:33 Speaker 3: You know.

45:33 Speaker 4: It was so stupid. I was really out of it. So I'm not just I want you to know that there was a mental health overlap with this, Okay, okay, and anyway, So that was a small interaction and then Friday, Yeah, Friday, I called my husband and then I try to call my dad. They both have eight of five areo codes, which is California, and I'm still obviously in New Arlington, Virginia, and that's causing me to have more distress because I'm I'm sarting to lose track of where i am because I'm having space time, like I'm getting all discombobulated.

46:05 Speaker 4: And because I call them, I'm like, am I in California? Why do they have California numbers? Like things are just like kind of fuzzy for me at this point. Fast forward the next day, So fast forward to that night. My roommate is schizophrenic. I she might be schizophrenic, but she's like talking and I'm I'm getting terrified now when she's talking her sleep. I asked for a room change because when I went to my room to go to sleep and she was like flailing and stuff, I was like, I'm ready to go. I can go home.

46:33 Speaker 4: I think I'm good. I don't want to, you know, be here anymore. They said, no, you can't leave. I said, what do you mean I can't leave this year? You're gonna have to stay overnight And I'm like, okay, I'll stay overnight. So then I don't stay overnight, or you have to stay in that room sorry. So I go back in the room and there's a bible, Gideon's Bible, and I start reading because I feel like you can't leave the elopement zone when you voluntarily check yourself in if whoever was in charge decided that you're a menace to society.

47:09 Speaker 5: Okay, continue, Yeah, So.

47:11 Speaker 4: I'm in there and I'm starting to I've never opened a Bible before this, and I just open up the Gideon's Bible. It's like right by your bed, and I start like flipping pages and praying, and I feel like this person next to me is suffering from demons, like she's really struggling. And I'm not religious, by the way, at this point, I'm still not religious in that sense, but anyway, like it's not like something that I would be like, oh, you're demonic, you know, never, But this moment, I'm like, I'm in this room, I'm sitting by the light, this small light, and I just feel like I'm like shaking.

47:46 Speaker 4: I'm praying because I'm like, but I'm praying, but it doesn't feel raw, Like I feel like I'm trying to act it out because I'm trying to like make her stop. I don't want her. I don't want to wake up, and I just don't want someone like like standing over me, like ye oh no, I'm like I can't. So I didn't sleep that night. And anyway, I didn't sleep that night. And what's crazy is I mean, it's not that crazy, but I felt it was crazy. Is I was very silent, I was very still, and I was very awake, like I was locked in, you know.

48:18 Speaker 4: I was like laying there, locked in because I'm like, I need to make sure I'm ready for something. She's laying on the other side. She's not looking at me. I would know because I'm making sure she's not focused on me. She says out loud, She's like she's not sleeping, and I'm like freaking out because I'm like, she better not be talking about me right now because I'm done. And she says, you're not she's not sleeping out loud, and I'm like, she's like, well, now, I'm gonna have to be up the rest of the whatever until I'm gone.

48:51 Speaker 4: So I was up all night until like six seven am. I get up, I go into the living room. She's just laying in bed. She was in bed like the whole time, and uh, I go out and living room, meaning like the where the bookshelves are. Yeah, and I'm just like doing whatever. And then I see an older guy, an older guy who's like really smelly. He looks like a veteran and he acts, you know like you you get that vibe. I get that vibe from Gene. You know, you know someone was in. Yeah, he like this guy is like I know he was in, and I say something he's like talking about me or he's talking to someone, but I feel like I have to listen to what he's saying because it could relate to me.

49:38 Speaker 4: And he's basically like this girl needs to mind her business or whatever. I don't know. I'm like, okay, like you're you're you have you're old and you have issues. Like I'm like making you know, I'm young and I'm aware I have issues, so then my awareness can also make sure you're like you're okay. And he just whatever he does, like whatever, talks people, and I'm kind of like sitting there. No one's engaging with me, no one's talking to me, and I'm at this point done. You know. I said I want to go home right now, because I thought this was going to be something that it isn't.

50:13 Speaker 4: And then I start getting really claustrophobic because I think to myself, I actually think that, yeah, I'm having mental issues. And I did think that this was something that wasn't. But now I'm starting to really think about life in general and people around me and people in the public, and I really start to feel that I think we might all be mental patients, like I believe I live in an asylum. And I was truly I was perplexed because I was like, should I like, what's the point of leaving? Because I do think that maybe, like we're all nuts and including myself.

50:53 Speaker 4: So then I start getting claustrophobic and I think to myself, well, I have nowhere to go at the point, and that's when I walk up. I walk into the to the main hallway. I'm pacing, kind of not pacing. I'm walking past the desk where the nurses are and they're reading a magazine or something, and a woman looks up at me, and I'm pretending to like have my clipboard with all like the take forms and stuff. I'm walking towards these escape door, the elopement zone door, elopement door. It has elopement on it, right I walked towards it, and I realized, actually, like there's nowhere to go because I'm starting to feel like, oh my, like I think this is like just all like you know, I think it's all like screwed.

51:40 Speaker 4: And then I dropped before I start flailing, I freak, I throw my clipwork. I'm like, I'm like, I don't care anymore. And I remember this just just came out of me. I was like, I will let you all die. I don't care. I'm done. I don't care. And I just realized that that after that, that that was my nuclear war code. That like kind of right tripped me out because I thought we were going to enter nuclear war. So I storm into my bedroom. I'm screaming, and I'm like crying because I'm like, I'm so like I'm ready to peace out, right.

52:08 Speaker 4: I just like if I just like my soul left and I was gone, I'd be good. Right, Let's go back to space whatever. Not suicidal. I'm just saying, like just to exit the body, you know, And I'm screaming. As I'm screaming, nurse comes in these guys, one of the guys who was walking by me, like they look like they look like kind of like twenty year olds. But they're like they used to be scared. Guy, Like they look like young, like just not in government. They have like a camera and they come in. The nurse plays it cool, just like they played it cool when I first entered the hospital, when I went to the intake room, and remember when I was sitting in front of the stranger and they were just like, yeah, it's business as usual.

52:47 Speaker 4: Nurse pretend it's business as usual. She's like, you're not supposed to be here, she says to them, it's a hospital. I don't even entertain it. At this point, I just drop on the bed and I'm like done. I drop in the bed and I'm like I don't I don't give a fuck anymore. I don't care because it's just too much going on. One of the doctors comes in, like this older lady, and she injects me with something and I knock out, knocked out. I wake up at nighttime, and the reason why I know that is we have a window.

53:14 Speaker 4: It's nighttime and it's dark in my room, and my schizophrenic partner is next to me. She's laying in her bed doing whatever, and I'm looking up there's a projection, like it looks like you know, if you have a projector, like your projector, it looks like you projector is at the screen. But I don't recall having a projector anywhere around me. So I'm looking up and it looks like the screens on the ceiling, and it looks like prison bars, like a jail cell, and behind the jail cell a bunch of green looking stick figure aliens.

53:45 Speaker 4: It's it's animated, so it's like a cartoon like two dimensional. And I'm looking at this like I'm kind of like mellow. I'm mellow because I just woke up from whatever they injected me with and I look at this. They show me they SpongeBob references. They show me what's mister crabs and they said, like they show like money signs, money signs, And then they show him that the aliens disappear. They show him behind this jail cell crying and like it's like he's stuck in jail. That's like the reference, like he's stuck in this jail cell.

54:26 Speaker 4: And then they show me.

54:30 Speaker 3: This.

54:30 Speaker 4: I get this visual pop in my mind, a visual of like sort of like what would be trickled down economics where you have like a pyramidal hierarchy, and then it shows me like like person at the top of the hierarchy with more power and wealth, and it shows it and like shows it like going down the hierarchy, and then I see a big red X in my mind. It's like, no, that's like, that's wrong. And to explain to me that you shouldn't be looking at like things like this, I don't really understand at this point either.

55:05 Speaker 4: But it's in reference to greed. It's in reference to mister Crabs being stuck in a jail cell in this cartoon depiction. It showed me green aliens. I'm like, I don't know what the green aliens are for. And then that's when they show me the green aliens giving me a gold present, a gold present, and then the gift box opens and all these symbols that I've only like thought would be maybe like I don't know anything about the Illuminati at that point, I still don't really know what it is. But besides, like some like shadow Cabal or whatever, but it was the ancient Egyptian ank.

55:42 Speaker 4: They showed me a chakra system, like unlocking all the chakras. They showed me all these spiritual the spiritual imagery of like things that would be in reference to like Holy Grail, I guess, which I still don't really know what that is. And after they would flash me a series of symbols. The jail cell had a door in the back, but it was a door that like went downstairs, and it's like, the only way, the only idea that I got is the only way you get out of the jail, apparently I was in jail is you go downstairs.

56:13 Speaker 4: Meaning you have to investigate yourself to understand why you were, why everything led you to here, and what it is about yourself that might be keeping you in a metaphoric.

56:25 Speaker 6: Jail or something or compartmentalized perhaps perhaps I think if you think about the mind as a penitentiary, right, each thought or each thing locked away, you know, and you need to get.

56:44 Speaker 5: Out of there. I see, I see the metaphork. I mean, I'm sure it could be taken many ways.

56:49 Speaker 4: Then so I go out to the front and there was a black woman, maybe around my age as well, who was sitting there. She was locked in, she was part of the program. She sits there and she's smirking as I go to her and the first time I go to her, it was after the gift box open and she looks at me. She's like, what do you think it is? I said, using terminology.

57:13 Speaker 5: I'm sorry the nurse.

57:15 Speaker 4: No, I don't know if she's a nurse. This is a new lady, a black lady. But she had a BLM bracelet.

57:22 Speaker 5: But she's asking you about what you just saw. Yeah, but she wasn't in that room.

57:30 Speaker 4: No, I have to go out to the front where all the usually where they all are. She's the only one sitting there at that point, they're all.

57:38 Speaker 5: All and she's asking you what you think the present meant?

57:43 Speaker 3: What do you think the present meant?

57:44 Speaker 4: I immediate thought popped in my mind because I worked on you as China thing. Do you know what sesame credit is? It's like a social credit scorre.

57:53 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, with China as Yeah.

57:56 Speaker 4: So I said sesame credit or decentralized sesame credit. That's what I said, because I'm looking at it of like, sorry I'm burping, but I look at it like in terms of, like, from my reference point, decentralized sess me credit. And she says, do you mean like the Black Mirror Likes episode? I keep I keep bubbling. I'm sorry, but.

58:23 Speaker 5: How could why would that be a present? Why would the social credit score be a present? That would be a bad thing.

58:31 Speaker 4: Decentralized good question, because there was a bunch of spiritual imagery, which, by the way, when I went back, that's when the spiritual imagery took root. Well, they showed you, and then I went back, and then she said, what do you think it is? And I'm like, it's not the Illuminati. That was only I don't even know what it is. I thought it was a conspiracy, but I'm like, this is all a conspiracy. I'm like, what the heck is going on? Shit, it might be real. So I say Illuminati and she's like, yeah, here's the thing.

58:59 Speaker 4: TI. I don't know if they're just letting me say what I have to say. Though she did correct me when I when I said decentralized says to me credit, she did correct me and say, like the Likes episode, or at least trying to like use that simile. Whereas for the second time she was like, yeah, Illuminati.

59:18 Speaker 5: Well we know that pop culture and Hollywood have long been showing us things that I won't go down that, but you know, Operation Mockingbird and several others. So I think those are out there to give people frame of reference so that she can say something like that.

59:42 Speaker 3: Like to guide either guide you.

59:44 Speaker 5: Or you know, because like it's not literal. Do you think you accessed another dimension?

59:51 Speaker 4: I don't. It depends what you mean by that. I don't know. I think there's like like I mean, like I don't know, multi dimensional, Like there's higher dimensional understanding of things, and then there's lower dimensional understanding of things, of the nature of things, and we choose whether we want to hold on to lower dimensional interpretations or the higher dimensional ones, like for instance, like in relation to maybe like certain issues that are contentious in the public might have more higher dimensional details that warrant to have elicit that kind of emotional response.

1:00:31 Speaker 4: But we all have an emotional response or reaction anyway, regardless of whether we have that access to that other information or even have sought out that information, you know what I mean. So I think that like it's a it's dependent on what we're discussion, Like what our discussion is on.

1:00:47 Speaker 5: When you check into a mental facility, is your top secret clearance? Whoever there's that stuff, does that get flagged right away?

1:01:05 Speaker 4: No, because I didn't report it because when I found out it was US government, I'm like, I'm not reporting it. It's only gonna hurt me, and no one's gonna believe that I was brought there by the US government.

1:01:16 Speaker 5: So you think that these vehicles essentially guided you in some form or fashion for lack of a better term, to this site that is a mental facility, maybe more, And that's where you got the confirmation that what you were experiencing was a not normal but be something that they are They know, they know it happens to people, and they are monitoring those people.

1:01:57 Speaker 4: So I don't know the details.

1:01:59 Speaker 5: I'm but is that a fair assessment?

1:02:03 Speaker 3: Sure?

1:02:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would probably like check in on me after that, right, I mean do it?

1:02:13 Speaker 3: When do you leave the hospital?

1:02:15 Speaker 4: So I got into an argument that was Sorry, I got into argument when they told me to stay Friday with Health and Human Services because I said to them, I said, if I'm having mental health issues, why are you giving me a time limit to sign form intake forms and then not letting me know, Hey, guess what the way you came in voluntarily. That doesn't work going out because my decision making would be a lot different. So I got into an argument with him. The reason why is health in human services. They had like the bulky laptop.

1:02:49 Speaker 4: They said, well, you're gonna have to ask because the doctor left already, and the doctor is the one who has to let you go, and he deemed you a threat whatever menace to society, a threat to society. So then I'm looking at the I'm talking to guy and I'm like saying to him, I said, he said, you have two choices. You can volunteer to stay until tomorrow when the doctor comes back, or you can volunteer. You could be forced to stay here until Monday, and then you have to have it in court. You have to get a lawyer in court, and it's in the hospital court and they have to determine whether you can go.

1:03:21 Speaker 4: And I said to him, I said, I said, well, you're not really giving me a choice, right because it's not volunteering until tomorrow. Like I'm not I'm volunteering right now, Like that's not a voluntary act. He's like, no, we're gonna call it it's like volunteer. And I said, stop saying that. I say, you know what, I said, I'm gonna like no, because I don't want to like be forced like words like, I'm like, this is not a voluntary situation. And the fact that he said it means it's a sop. He's not just pulling it out.

1:03:46 Speaker 4: Someone said, oh, it's voluntary if we force him to stay until when a doctor sees him.

1:03:51 Speaker 3: Got it, you know?

1:03:52 Speaker 4: So I'm like, you know, I'm gonna get a lawyer whatever, Like I got it when I got a lawyer, and Monday was in the court and then Monday was when I checked out.

1:04:00 Speaker 3: So what do you go back to your job? Do you what happened?

1:04:13 Speaker 5: So what happens next? I mean, do you is the contact continuing? Are the the the thoughts, the intrusive thoughts still happening.

1:04:26 Speaker 4: So right before I checked out, my attention and the reason why I say my attention, it wasn't something that I would have looked at because I was just ready to get out. But something brought my attention to the table. There was a brand new book, The Alchemist by Paulo Coelo. You know that book.

1:04:43 Speaker 5: I do not.

1:04:44 Speaker 4: It's a it's a it's a it's a book.

1:04:46 Speaker 5: On purpose, The Alchemist.

1:04:49 Speaker 4: It's a book on purpose. Paulo Coelo and my felt compuls the compulsion again pick up the book and take it. And as I was taking I read a little bit of it. When I was checked out of the hospital, I forgot. I said, oh wait, I took your book by accident. They said, no, you can keep it. I was like, okay, okay, I finished it. It's a good book. I mean a lot of people you should read it.

1:05:12 Speaker 3: I will, I will.

1:05:16 Speaker 5: So where do you go from now? Where do you go from there? Because do you go back to work like I go back to school.

1:05:24 Speaker 3: You back to school. Your top security clearance is still intact.

1:05:30 Speaker 5: And no one knows, okay.

1:05:33 Speaker 4: Except my husband and my father, my mom and my friend who I told you know they were in the hospital. The aliens they made the aliens. Gosh, but I don't think they were really. It was like a NDA. You didn't have to go shush. I went straight to my best my childhood friend. I said, guess what just happened? And that's when I realized, oh, good to know, because I saw how it looked. I saw her reaction, and then I realized, yeah, this is not something it only hurts me. Whoever designed this new very well that what they were telling me, and the whole, the whole of the context would be at my expense, my reputational expense, and still give that kind of plausible deniability.

1:06:17 Speaker 4: However, I think there's a caveat. I think that there's a certain element of this that ties into disclosure. I mean, this is all tied to disclosure in my opinion, when you show me extraterrestrials and I'm in the US government and then I have this intense, continuous, intense et contact that changes my whole life course. And then I find Angulie and I find John Ramirez, and then I see there's like this like push pull. There's people who are experiencers, and I see there's some other controlled element to it.

1:06:49 Speaker 4: And I don't think it's like a good or evil by the way thing, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that we just have different intentions.

1:06:57 Speaker 5: John Ramirez former CIA, very interesting person, someone I'd love to have in that chair.

1:07:07 Speaker 3: And then and Jolly was former.

1:07:13 Speaker 4: Systems Marine Corps d I.

1:07:15 Speaker 3: A D I A Yeah, d I A.

1:07:17 Speaker 5: I was looking for the government part. Both really well respected and Jolly's case is a little murky. I I think in terms of public perception but okay, so you gravitate towards them.

1:07:37 Speaker 3: I want to talk.

1:07:37 Speaker 5: About the the livel Livells Burger stuff. What what specifically led that led you to conclude that Lovell's burger was alive rather than rather than concluding the explosion was a false flag with some sort of like substitute.

1:08:01 Speaker 4: In that specific moment when I blew the whistle, it was just all uncertainty. The last thing we had, that cyber truck bombing. We had some weird the quick footage that the media at mainstream media gave us. We had his alleged what is it whistleblowing email that he sent to Sam Shoemate, and I was listening. You know, I didn't care about the cyber truck bombing. I heard about it a couple of days prior. But for some reason, when I was driving back from Washington, I was in Washington, d C. See my mom, like McLean.

1:08:35 Speaker 4: My mom lives there, so I was seeing her. We drove back after that New Year's and during the drive back, I listened to Sam Shoemate's I guess testimony what is it called testimony interview that he had with Sean Ryche. And when I heard the email. That's when something like that compulsory feeling kicked in because of what he said about Afghanistan and like the blending of like you know that we have joint task forces, we have interagency relationships missions things like this. His whistleboard email alleged that there were crimes against humanity in Afghanistan, the United Nations tried covering it, and.

1:09:19 Speaker 5: Then he just casually includes UFO and UAP stuff at the end. And it's talking about because at the time that New Jersey drone situation was happening, and he was saying that they were Chinese, that it was Chinese, right, I believe.

1:09:40 Speaker 4: So the core of his message was so similar to what I had initially experienced right when I had this, Like I'm like with the US government has a relation with this hospital, they disclosure and like something, you know, whatever I had happened, which the public is just doesn't know, and I like they still have a hard time understanding that, like their idea of like how dynamics are or like very and it's not always nefarious, it's just like very more much more complex, you know, Like I'm saying, like for example, the Operation Mockingbird, we're starting to get to know that.

1:10:17 Speaker 4: But I just feel like now MAGA is finally catching up that people are pay for play influencers. I'm like, y'all didn't think that they were going to get ahead of this, Like I mean, come on, like I mean like I seem to be figuring things.

1:10:33 Speaker 5: Out quicker and but die hard.

1:10:35 Speaker 4: Like I'm not saying that as like in an ego or anything. It's just because of what I had experienced personally. Like if I wasn't for that, I would be I probably would be just out working somewhere, you know, I wouldn't be focused on any of this.

1:10:47 Speaker 5: But in the loyal the people you thought were most like MAGA loyal, like Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Green, you know, Making Kelly, all.

1:11:01 Speaker 3: Those people have seemingly.

1:11:07 Speaker 5: Walked back their support for the current setup of that that they that administration.

1:11:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that we take for granted and I just like to give them like some not I don't know. I guess I don't know credit because I don't know what at what cost they backtracked. I mean, they gained an audience because there's like a fracture, But like you have a bigger pool of audience for like not backtracking from certain things. I just think that a lot of people take for granted why they are something, maybe politically, why they're something here, Like I don't think I think that like through like your own realization of your they decided, Oh wait, I didn't know it was gonna be this, this, this, or like you know, maybe I'm just like staunchly this.

1:11:59 Speaker 4: So I'm not kind of like comment on that, because I I understand like from an individual perspective, right, we're not all like on the same team maybe for the exact same thing. We're not copy and paste. We all have our own individual preferences and understandings.

1:12:15 Speaker 3: Have you ever.

1:12:18 Speaker 5: Have you ever experienced a Have you ever experienced a being or something that was like more physical grace.

1:12:31 Speaker 4: I woke up like a half a year later in at three am, just in my own bed, and I saw like the little like they kind of looked like invaderism. They kind of looked like it a little bit, and it was kind of almost looking like a projection into my room, but it was around my bed. And when I saw them, I was terrified. I started like screaming, but I couldn't move, and I tried like covering my eyes. They flag a nuclear war mushroom cloud and then started zapping me in brutal pain like electric It felt like electric shocks after they showed me the image of nuclear war.

1:13:11 Speaker 5: And then again they're showing you catastrophe just like the other thing.

1:13:20 Speaker 3: What do you make of that?

1:13:26 Speaker 5: Given our given what you know, like your your background training, where the geopolitical framework is right now they're trying to warn you.

1:13:40 Speaker 4: It seems I think that they have possible, like more control over the.

1:13:52 Speaker 5: World than we have the being the visitors.

1:13:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's like sometimes it's in visible hand like God. I I God is the only thing that gets me through everything. And my faith in God got stronger because I'm unwaverable when it comes to what my values are, right, I don't care what people say, and I don't care if like anyone like I'm just unwaverable. So my faith in God is a lot stronger. Gods stronger than them. And however, I do believe that they have and they intervene in subtle ways that we might not even perceive. And they also have a I believe that they do have a huge hand in like creativity, not not fully God.

1:14:38 Speaker 4: That's I still I'm I want to speak to religious or like a non like easy audience. I'm not saying it's not God. Creativity comes from God, right, because it's like from your soul. But I do think that there's some kind of role that they play as like a muse. I think that's the way that I want to Yeah, amuse.

1:15:00 Speaker 5: It's interesting that you brought that up. You spoke about this feeling right like this, Uh do you think that you were targeted with some sort of directed energy weapon?

1:15:15 Speaker 3: You said you were describing me.

1:15:16 Speaker 5: I can't remember what it was, but you were describing how it felt like your insides were burning.

1:15:22 Speaker 4: Like they were twisting my intestines. It was really painful, right, I've only had this kind of feeling I hate. It is like when you pull your muscle and your abdomen, that awful feeling. That's what it felt like. It was really like bad. That started in like February March of twenty twenty three, and I had actually had my It started while I was in uniform during a drill weekend where I started hearing their voice hallucination hall auditory hallucinations. But it was intentional because at that point I had seen the ETS.

1:15:54 Speaker 4: I was told about ETS, but from an outsider, I'm having schitz of whatever, schizophrenias like whatever you name it. But the voices were telling me you're not supposed to be doing You're not supposed to be in uniform. You're not supposed to be doing this. It's not your job. You're supposed to be doing something else. At that point, I'm thinking, you just showed me nuclear war, Like what do you I'm like, I mean, I'm not good at my Mandarin's not good, but I feel that I have a good grasp of US China relations like it should be here, you know.

1:16:24 Speaker 5: And why do you think, Well, I'll get there in a minute. Have you submitted any formal whistleblower uh like testimony to the Intelligence community inspector General And if not, what, what what would prevent you from doing so?

1:16:42 Speaker 4: No? Why because it was it was compulsive. I was impulsive when I did it. On next it was during the Sean Ryan they were talking on whatever.

1:16:55 Speaker 5: Yeah, you were a little frustrated with the lack of answers. You were getting back right because you felt you had something.

1:17:04 Speaker 4: No, because it's not personal to me, But I was worried about. I was just like, you know what, I think my thinks alive. So I don't, I'm not. I'm not sure. Like at the time, we didn't know, and I'm like, why don't we assume right?

1:17:17 Speaker 7: Why why do we just like ooh ufo shining me up like I'm like bro, like a Green Beret who was about to retire, like either had a mental break or something else.

1:17:28 Speaker 4: And he referenced something that's factually the United Nations looked into allegations of the United States war crimes in Afghanistan, and I looked at the report. It was civilian facilities or like they were they were used to manufacture drugs. The majority of them were civilians.

1:17:45 Speaker 5: Do you think something similar happened to him that happened to you.

1:17:49 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know, and you know, like I'm I don't know. I just who knows? They the wife. I listened to his wife's testimony. She the one who's going to know, okay, and if anyone, I mean she, you know, the fair enough, fair enough, I respect the family. I deleted my ex because I got like twenty thousand followers and it felt like I know. One followed up with my whistleblower complaint Tim tim Burchett, Yep, his office reached out and then I said, Hey, when do you want to get the information? Look like, let me Can I just say something really quick like when I say I blew the whistle, I'm saying that this is these are things that happened when I was deployed, and I can give the people who have a need to know the actual dates.

1:18:35 Speaker 4: I can give you my team members, I can give you the office, it's where it is located, as far as a few of the things that I saw during my deployment. So you're paradoxical with.

1:18:45 Speaker 5: What you're talking about. When you're you're not talking about UFO whistle blowing, you're talking about crimes whistle blowing.

1:18:53 Speaker 4: I'm talking about there's something that doesn't add up in our American foreign policy and the US military. And what I what I said was that one thing we couldn't report on a surface to airfire because the CIA said don't report it, but the pilot reported it. So why would the pilot report it? But the CIA is someone in the middleman who doesn't have his life on the line. Why does he get to decide and why is he coming to an E four at the time to tell me not to report it. I said, that doesn't make any sense.

1:19:23 Speaker 4: But you know, I didn't even think anything of it until that moment because when I saw that the Green beret, I was taking the assumption that he was blowing the whistle. I said, you know, there's something wrong here, right, like, I'm gonna now these things seem like I need to maybe at least show that we're not like that. There is a factually like paradoxical.

1:19:44 Speaker 3: We're not squeaky clean.

1:19:46 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's not squeaky clean, but it could just be bureaucracy. It could be just someone was like, yeah, you know what, like let's intervene here. And I'm like, well, your pilot should know that, hey, if you try to report something to look because we're not reporting it like you, you should have the people whose lives are on the line actually have that information. Anyway, didn't think much. That's what I The one thing I blew the whistle. The other thing was oh yeah, uh, well that that was a blue and blue Actually blue and blue means like it was a frontlire.

1:20:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was that was the thing that was when the CIA said don't report it and the.

1:20:25 Speaker 5: Other thing because they didn't want the embarrassment for Blue on Blue.

1:20:28 Speaker 4: Well, there's many reasons. I don't know. It could be there, it could be it could be dangerous. Maybe they have other people in an area and they couldn't put it out. I don't know, but I just I just thought, like a pilot who is the who survived, I thought he would know all this stuff, you know, I thought you would brief him. He would be privy to knowing what is at stake with what mission he was flying. Okay, so that's one the two we had UFOs. We had UAPs, and we weren't reporting them because when I tell you like, it's not in a like when I tell you it's unintentional.

1:21:03 Speaker 4: It's almost like we're kind of just going with the flow with some things. And this was one of them. I remember. We got like UAP reports. So I process mission reports, which are sorties. Every time a pilot goes and comes back, he debriefs with his aircrew until puts it in a mission report, puts it into the database called kessel run, and then I Q see them and then I finalize them. I take significant activities, which are events that happened during their flight. So like, uh uh, it could be like an interception like with a fighter, which just me interception could literally mean a sue just like came up and like looked at them.

1:21:41 Speaker 4: It doesn't mean they came right in front of them, but that's something we report. We report UAVs unmanned aerial vehicles, so like if we see them guard calls, if you get too close to a border of a Iran or something, you're like they're like stay away from the border, you know, like that, We report how many of those we get and stuff. And we got quite a few mission reports that had UFOs, and they were called different things unknown bogie, uap UFO, like U Vietna. I don't know, there's there's a B in one of the acronyms.

1:22:19 Speaker 4: I don't know what it's called. Anyway, they had different names, and they're all coming from like distinctly like task forces in like areas like I like mostly I think more of like around rock and stuff. Anyway, I'm not gonna go too much into it because I'm like I just yeah, I get right, and yeah, So we didn't have we weren't reporting it I remember thinking to myself and I wasn't married, Like I wasn't married to any idea of it. I said, we should report things that we don't know, right we should just be like, I don't know, even if we don't know, just let people know there's something we don't know.

1:22:53 Speaker 4: And we need to make sure like you guys are aware of it, because if you see it and you don't know, then we all don't know, right, Like then we can all like get on that page. But we're not reporting it because we're just like we don't have we don't know what it is, and we don't have a framework, we don't have a point of reference. The standard operating Procedure doesn't say it. And I remember we got like like quite a few per week, like it was real consistent. And I said to myself, I said, I'm gonna go on Jaywicks.

1:23:20 Speaker 4: You know jicks?

1:23:21 Speaker 3: Yah, I do.

1:23:23 Speaker 4: I don't know what the acronym is. I don't know that it's when you have a top secret SCI clearance, which is what I had, and a lot of people have intelligence community, you have access to jaywix. It's just it's like having internet. It's just having internet. We have our own form of Google. It's not Google.

1:23:42 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an intron net. Yeah, it's a it's not an Internet, it's an intron net. So it's a searchable database for that's in data set.

1:23:53 Speaker 4: As long as you have a clearance, you get that credential and you're good to go and you can look up videos and all these different thing. So I would type in uphone just try like I literally just a broad regular search UFO orl rep.

1:24:06 Speaker 5: Luna just made a call for how many videos?

1:24:10 Speaker 3: Was it?

1:24:13 Speaker 5: Forty six videos by name from these servers?

1:24:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a lot. I mean we had enough.

1:24:21 Speaker 5: Did you ever see anything that would like not.

1:24:24 Speaker 4: In detail, not like anything the public hasn't seen, Like they're all pretty much like similar, the really quick, the wild one that I saw that I ended up seeing. Fox News has a photo of I don't know if the video is public was mozwell orb That was crazy. I saw the video and I was like, this is it?

1:24:42 Speaker 5: Was?

1:24:43 Speaker 4: It was you're zoomed in on the house. If you look at the photo, you're zoomed in. We do pattern of life analysis, so if there's like a potential like target of interest, not a target meaning you're gonna but you want to stalk them. We have a reapers that will hover which are unmanned.

1:24:59 Speaker 5: Uh yeah, you they're the m M nine right.

1:25:05 Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm awful. I don't remember anything, right, one of m Q nine and stuff.

1:25:09 Speaker 5: So Q nine and r Q four and stuff.

1:25:13 Speaker 4: Okay, so here let me tell you really quick. So the orbit comes out. It's not orbit's like a metal sphirit. It comes very slowly in front of the camera. And that's when I felt that this is something that seems to be like it wants to like be.

1:25:25 Speaker 5: Acknowledged, so I wanted to be seen.

1:25:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what I blew the whistle on right, Like, I'm just like these there's a myriad of things I've experienced that I didn't think had any value.

1:25:35 Speaker 5: Our government is classifying these into a classified server, most likely because of.

1:25:45 Speaker 4: All of our mission reports are classified.

1:25:47 Speaker 5: Right, But you know, like location and the asset collection, it's not the actual uh UAV that's classified.

1:25:57 Speaker 4: But no, it's it's it's the you have the its information on the radio, so they have to go through a clearance process.

1:26:03 Speaker 3: So that essentially what.

1:26:08 Speaker 4: The Foreign Disclosure officer, But that would be for FTO and then probably PA for going public right public?

1:26:16 Speaker 5: What what do you make of things like Trump's recent proclamation of declassifying the quote unquote alien and UFO files is there? You know, do you think that this is something they'll go through with.

1:26:35 Speaker 4: If he feels like it's the right thing to do. I think so, I mean, would it be everything? No? And you know, I think the point of disclosure well not. I don't know the government, but I'll tell you the point of like why if you you can just look at it in terms of being a higher being? Okay, if you had like a young civilization, right, if they needed to be developed, right, and they're still like more like in the evolutionary scale beforehand, why why would you And you want them to be individually, right, you have to have them individually.

1:27:10 Speaker 4: They grow individually, You don't grow as collective. You your cells are changing for yourself, not for anyone else, right, So why would you have it so that they would continue to appeal to an authority? You want them to have more self determination individually? So like there, it's not just like, oh, like the government has to do it. I mean it wouldn't be logical. I mean I look at it just from like working with children. You don't just like make it like I mean, you want obedience, but let's say you have people who are adults.

1:27:39 Speaker 4: Right, you don't just do it like this, right you you have to have a little bit of hands on, hands off. But I mean, I don't I can't go into the weeds. I don't know. I'm speculating, but I'm telling you from the ET contact I have, it's hands on, hands off. It's not about like appealing to the government.

1:27:55 Speaker 3: Do you think that the.

1:27:59 Speaker 5: I don't like to say extraterrestrial or alien, but because you.

1:28:04 Speaker 3: Say it, do you think that.

1:28:07 Speaker 5: There are ets that are control because we think we're in control of disclosure, do you think that we might not be and that they are actually in control of whether the information is disclosed to the public. Like DoD they have the did they have the ultimate.

1:28:27 Speaker 4: Say, they have a broader they have more macro level perspective. They would, right, they would have a more macro level perspective, right, I mean, like it would be crazy if you think that, like you know, it would be crazy. Like I mean, like look at Builder Bird group they make they have a lot of money, they have mass a lot of wealth. They have a power, but they do have responsibility whether we agree with how the things were going or not. That's what came to be. I mean the same would go for like obviously, and I think they're ultra dimensional.

1:28:58 Speaker 4: I think extra trust ultra dimensional, but I do call them extraterrestrial, and then they are like I definitely do think that they are doing it both ways. However, I want to caveat this not to go because there's a difference between doing something and going against the will of individuals. You don't go, you don't do it at the expense of individuals. That's not what they're doing I think at scale. But that being said, I do think that they do it to certain people. Can you explain that because we're individuals and we're a collective, the human race, right, individuals and a collective.

1:29:37 Speaker 4: We have to distinguish between this like when you describe extraterrestrial ultradimensional contact or like, rather that they would be kind of guiding human affairs, would you do you mean it to be like that? They're very top down with it.

1:29:52 Speaker 5: But they have they infiltrated our government? Are they are they? Do you think that they are working with our government?

1:30:00 Speaker 4: It depends who you're speaking of, because, like we talked about the government, but it's very much comprised of individuals.

1:30:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, the government organizations.

1:30:08 Speaker 4: Different interests, different interests, so that that's specificity.

1:30:15 Speaker 5: Do you think there's any faction in our government, whether it's black programs or not, on acknowledge programs or not.

1:30:29 Speaker 5: Is it plausible that there might be some sort of working relationship between NHI and human beings?

1:30:43 Speaker 3: Plausible?

1:30:44 Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, the former I think chief of ARISPEC, I'm he even stated he said he worked at the highest level Unit what was it, Unit eighty one or something in Israel. He came out in December twenty twenty and stated that they're working with extraterrestrials. He's a significant figure because he worked on their S and T program Science and technology for the IDF. He came out in December twenty twenty stating that, oh, they're working US government, Israel government, and I think world governments are working with ets.

1:31:20 Speaker 5: And he said specifically Trump knows about it.

1:31:23 Speaker 4: And then he said Trump knows about.

1:31:24 Speaker 3: It, so.

1:31:27 Speaker 5: And that galactic federation idea comes back up, right, He stated that, yeah, so and again, like you said, this is the Israeli.

1:31:36 Speaker 3: Defense minister or whatever. You know. This isn't just some.

1:31:42 Speaker 5: Random Joe blow.

1:31:45 Speaker 3: So it raises questions.

1:31:49 Speaker 5: Right for me, I think the culmination of all of these like high level people coming out and kind of getting on board, I think the cats out of the bag. Do you think that we are in some sort of controlled disclosure that there might be something where there's a ticking clock?

1:32:12 Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah? And here so can I can I reference this? This is part of this is my ety contact led me to read like evaluating my priorities. I was in Georgetown University School of Foreign Service and you as China going to war with each other? Do you think that people in the Congo want to be part of nuclear war after they're being tormented in East Congo? Children bashed heads. I don't know what I can say. I'm gonna be careful, women great like all this, all this, and then focus Congo is out there, Papi O'Ryan is building schools.

1:32:48 Speaker 5: So they don't want nuclear.

1:32:50 Speaker 4: War and they're they're going through the worst thing today. Sorry, So so my question is this, are we all on war? And do they have a voice the people who are really collectively suffering the most collectively I'm not saying individually because we have awful things happening here too, right in our neighborhoods, but collectively when I look at it from geopolitical which disclosure seems to be a very from the government, very geopolitically related and political right, more macro level of analysis, building schools.

1:33:27 Speaker 4: I just was in December with machine gun preacher Sam Childers. Sam Childers, he rescues child rebel soldiers. He from not just like, oh, we're gonna just do LGBTQ in a country where it's not allowed and we spend a bunch of tax pay dollars. There no a to z rescues children from the bush. They don't have parents because it's strict right, He's not taking them from parents unless temporarily they have some sort of disability and the mom is begging them to get the kid help, right, right, They need approval from the government they're working, but agency getting them jobs when they grow up, or sending them to university.

1:34:06 Speaker 4: Some of them work in the South student government. These things wouldn't be happening God, if God, if there was, if God was like there's nuclear war, right, if God was going to be like there's nuclear war. So if there's gonna be nuclear wars, not of God.

1:34:21 Speaker 5: So it's of something else, whatever.

1:34:25 Speaker 4: You want to call it. But God seems to be working towards the future, a positive future in these case, in these places. But it's just not on the news. It's just not a topic of interest for people. It's not a conversation.

1:34:41 Speaker 5: How can people I'll put the link for they have a website, I'm sure.

1:34:46 Speaker 4: Right focus Congo and I give you the video.

1:34:50 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll put the that in the description below. It's an organization that I would love to you know, the show. We could donate some money and you know, play our part the best we can and to everyone who's involved in that. And with yourself, like even with yourself, I saw you over there doing your thing. That reminds me that there is tangible good in this world. But you look at something like the Epstein files proves to me that there's tangible evil. So just like there's probably good ET, do you suscept do you suspect that there's indifferent or malevolent et?

1:35:43 Speaker 5: And maybe this is what our ancestors called demons or.

1:35:49 Speaker 3: Gods.

1:35:51 Speaker 4: I think it's up to interpretation. Also, even just so broadly. I say, mind's good, but guess what, like what would I let them do it? Only me letting them use me to do some bad? Then it's bad. Was it all great? No, it was like torture when I told you when I was electric chucks and fight or flight mode kicked up and all these different things going on. But like just a whole experience is just obviously traumatic. They certainly can recognize that. I think. I think it's like objectively like horrific.

1:36:26 Speaker 4: They can just you can measure it like people are not happy when they're in like psychosis and things like that. But I think it's up to interpretation. It really is. It's all good and evil. I think the spiritual warfare is the best way to describe it. Whether it's et ultradimensional gin, the angels, deeming, all of that I think is accurate.

1:36:50 Speaker 5: Where do you see disclosure in the next do you do you think the world is ready for disclosure?

1:37:03 Speaker 4: I think the they're the way early adopters, the way technology works. There's really adopters the critical point all that stuff whatever, I don't know. I think that the experiencers are the fundamental part of the equation. The connecting node I think the government and the UAPs and that is imperative because it's unveiling things that the public was not previously privy to. Privy gets to be exposed to this. And I'm not really involved in I'm not a UFO researcher at all. Like I just speak to other experiencers and like here and there.

1:37:40 Speaker 4: I'm focused on this and I'm in school right now for optitionery, hopefully to open a business with my mom and then be able to do like more of this. And but I think it's all connected. I'm not in charge of it. I can't really speak to what their plan is with the government that, but I think that just bringing light to it is all positive.

1:38:05 Speaker 3: How have you have your experiences with.

1:38:13 Speaker 5: ET continued like to this day?

1:38:17 Speaker 4: Yeah?

1:38:18 Speaker 5: Can you we're right around wrapped. Uh, we we have a few minutes, but can you tell me what is continuing to happen? Give me a summary of of uh, you know, maybe one of your most recent.

1:38:41 Speaker 4: Experiences tacktile sensations. I see movement. It looks like you know when gas like or heat on pavement hot you see like that, but it has it has outline like I see it moving around, not all the time, many different like.

1:39:00 Speaker 5: Things, but any like.

1:39:04 Speaker 4: Visitations, guidance, like sometimes guidance, but I can decide whether I want to, Like it's not like you do this okay, Like I'm just like a puppet, right Like There'll be like some ideas and things and I'm like, oh that's interesting and then you know, I can toss it aside or I can like.

1:39:22 Speaker 5: Use it.

1:39:23 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh that's a good idea. But they're like this, I can tell like when it's THEMB and when it's me. But it's not like something that is my who I am is is fundamental because you ask someone else who's an experiencer, they're going to tell you like like I they're they're all evil, all of them are evil, right Like, I mean, it's it's a sub one subjective. It's different for each individual who has it. And then me like, I'm not like I don't need to, like I'm not really interested in speaking about every day.

1:39:54 Speaker 4: However, I like to speak to people who ask me questions like you, I'm really honored to be here. I'm really glad I'm here. Actually really was the most comfortable on your podcast out of all of the podcasts that I've been on last year and now that I'm yere apart far from it, I looked back at ours, I was like, yeah, that was the one. Yeah, Tye was the real There was not. I'm not saying they're not really really. I love everyone I met, Tony, I met you, fol good Morning Foe, incredible people and Nino, but the boxer he well, it was not from my experience but other things.

1:40:29 Speaker 4: But I felt I was like ty Is. I liked how I felt, and I liked how I was. I was just like feeling very like raw and authentic. And I was kind of venting to you at that point because I was like, where the heck is Congress. Tim burch is posting his stay He's like, that's a good steak. I was like, bro, Like Matt Lovelsburg like, it's a shitty steak. It's not that great. It was not that great, and we didn't know what was going on. Matt Lovelsburg. I'm sorry, but I'm sure you make better steaks than that.

1:40:57 Speaker 7: Yeah.

1:40:58 Speaker 4: Not for the not for the time.

1:41:01 Speaker 5: We're making in routs with other members as well. We want to we have a big plans going forward with other people that are more local to New England. So I really can't wait to uh, you know, just jump into that and see where it goes.

1:41:20 Speaker 3: But do.

1:41:26 Speaker 5: You talk to experiencers that have been claimed or have claimed abduction?

1:41:34 Speaker 3: What do you think of abduction?

1:41:36 Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know what they're what their meaning is, because I don't know if it projects in and it can make your I don't know. Because Angelie's experience and I out of all the people, John Ramirez Angelie like, if you would have asked me my opinion, I say, I know she's an experiencer. I know for a fact. I know that John Ramurez is for a fact after I had a conversation with him and I had my experience as a reference point. I'm not listening to them like I'm running with it. I have my experience, so I use that point of reference.

1:42:08 Speaker 4: Willie Striver is one hundred percent experiencer. Yeah, I can't think.

1:42:12 Speaker 5: Oh.

1:42:12 Speaker 4: Oh, Shane Frakes, Oh he Shane. Yeah, Shane Frakes is a major experiencer. Like the insights quite interesting, the insights that he had. It's through the it's through what they their insights and you see through their realizations. You see the way that anyway, So like that's what they saw. And then Jason sands, I think he is one, but I don't know. I like, I can't speak to the interpretive part of it. I think he's an experiencer. Okay, I think so, But I'm just saying I'm like that those are people, and the reason why is because I heard them speak about their things, and I have my point of reference in terms of their characters.

1:42:58 Speaker 5: You know, you think he's fighting their character. You think he's killing blue aliens.

1:43:05 Speaker 4: So I said an interpretation, And that's the thing where I'm like not gonna comment on. But when it comes to the character, I look at people's character to determine whether they're interpreting things. Yeah, whether they're interpreting it the way that it's supposed to be or way that it actually is. It's subjective. I don't know.

1:43:26 Speaker 5: What do you think is happening out there at Groom Lake.

1:43:29 Speaker 4: I don't know. Like, I'll only give you my opinion, and then like I look at character before I make other determinations, Like I think is experience, whether they interpret it the way that it actually is, I don't know. I'm not going to comment on that.

1:43:44 Speaker 5: Do you believe.

1:43:45 Speaker 3: Do you believe bab Lazar? For instance?

1:43:49 Speaker 5: Like, did you have you seen that movie that just came out? As for the Bob Blazar story, Well maybe I'll rent it for you tonight and you can watch it.

1:43:59 Speaker 3: It's I mean.

1:44:01 Speaker 4: Can I be honest, I just don't want to.

1:44:03 Speaker 5: Oh, I'm not interested.

1:44:05 Speaker 4: Really, I really like when I tell you, like, as far as my experience and stuff, I'm not interested in Like the U I watched a few when I was like really trying to figure it out.

1:44:15 Speaker 5: That kind of makes me like you more. Really, I'm just not He're just not interested in any of that. Other ship seems fun, he got, I know, but here's my thing. I might have to cut this out, So hit me with a timer marker.

1:44:34 Speaker 7: He goes on.

1:44:34 Speaker 5: Rogan twice, right, the biggest arguably, actually not even arguably. It's the biggest podcast period, it's the biggest stage period and he he crumbles both times.

1:44:53 Speaker 4: Really, I didn't watch the whole thing. I just saw a.

1:44:54 Speaker 5: Clip of accidentally gets too drunk the second time and the first time. I don't know if you remember, but he Jeremy was like, oh he's got a headache, he's got a headache, he's nervous, and then I fed a McDonald's and and he's he's he really doesn't feel well. And it's like both times he went on Rogan, he just seems to like crumble and it's like, ok, I.

1:45:18 Speaker 4: Think bablosar like he's like, you're not putting this in right,

1:45:25 Speaker 4: You're gonna cut it?

1:45:25 Speaker 5: Like yeah, he.

1:45:27 Speaker 4: Might Okay, fuck it, he might be getting it. Bablas are baba's are you Like? I feel like he's getting slapped around, like I think they do whatever they want. Tom No is it like I think he's letting it to a lot of external things. If Jerreman, if Jeremy Crow, no one's speaking for me right, Like I'm not going on a show and Jeremy's gonna be like my Timmy hurts. I was like fucking like, tuck that pussy away, like I'm good, like dude, like no, seriously, like, don't make me sound like that, because I'm gonna tell you to stop it.

1:45:57 Speaker 4: You like you know, I'm gonna stand up for myself. So when and when I see someone being spoken for on Behalf, I'm like, who, like you likeded your speech? So I think he's getting ragged a little bit if you think he's crumbling, I didn't watch the whole thing, and going based on what you said, he's a lot of it's letting other people make decisions.

1:46:14 Speaker 3: So I agree.

1:46:15 Speaker 5: I think Bob's actually quite a genuine man like in hisself, but he's you can clearly see that he's being used in some sort of endeavor by the UFO researchers. He's he's making appearances on four shows. One of them was Rogan Weaponized with Corbella and Knapp, Area fifty two at Chris Ramsey and American Alchemy with Jesse Michaels.

1:46:47 Speaker 3: That's the only.

1:46:48 Speaker 5: Podcast that he's doing, and they have all so Bob Bazaar did the live show with Ramsey and Jesse, and Jesse is really connect to with Rogan. So it's just an echo chamber and corbell and Napp with Rogan, they're always on.

1:47:06 Speaker 3: It's just so it's it is interesting.

1:47:09 Speaker 5: I'll put this as a member's only part. But yeah, back.

1:47:14 Speaker 4: When I run for when I run for president, you're gonna have to get room. That's locker room. Yeah, I'm just kidding.

1:47:26 Speaker 5: Is there any question that this is gonna.

1:47:29 Speaker 4: Be clipped and somebody, it's gonna be all over oman to be a world star. World star.

1:47:35 Speaker 5: Is you said you had ongoing contact, right, it's continuing to happen. Are they still showing you or are you still getting implications of conflict?

1:47:51 Speaker 4: No? But I'm more like in tune with like the humanitarian crisis, like what's happening all over the world here. I'm like, once I get everything going, I have already have contact with people who were counter child trafficking. I'm going to get that going and Fayeville Fort Fayville, North Carolina, where I live. But but right now, my priorities focus Congo because they're resting children for war and every day it's not on news villages or just getting burned down and stuff. But that's what I'm working on, and ET contact helps me.

1:48:27 Speaker 5: Just so you're just kind of rolling, chilling.

1:48:30 Speaker 4: I'm chilling with it.

1:48:31 Speaker 5: You're rolling with it, and and you've almost embraced it as part of your life.

1:48:37 Speaker 4: It's just what it is.

1:48:38 Speaker 5: No choice.

1:48:41 Speaker 4: Don't don't read into that. When I say no choice, people read into it, and then I get it. I mean, like just whatever, So what's next for you?

1:48:51 Speaker 3: More Congo stuff? Of course?

1:48:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna go there. Uh sometimes this year I just want to get that's like operational security because it's dangerous going there. Sometime this year I get to see the work. That's the great work they're doing schools. Really, it's like incredible. And then I'm going back to Angels of East Africa with the sam Children's machine Gun preacher his team. His CEO is Evelina. She's my friend. And I'll be there in December again and finishing my opticianery program. So it's trade school to fix glasses, to start an optical in Southern Pines, North Carolina, interesting and serving the veteran community.

1:49:32 Speaker 4: My mom is an experienced master optician, well almost a master optician.

1:49:36 Speaker 5: So what does she say about all this experience or stuff?

1:49:40 Speaker 4: She didn't She didn't. I don't talk about it no reason. It's just me talking at you and you don't have any reference point unless you are an experiencer or you're curious.

1:49:51 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't want to sit here and just.

1:49:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it.

1:49:57 Speaker 5: So this is a copy of Infinity Disclosed, and this is a UFO patch and some stickers for the studio.

1:50:07 Speaker 4: That we want to give you that awesome.

1:50:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, the authors right there.

1:50:11 Speaker 3: You can sign that for you.

1:50:13 Speaker 4: I want to get this signed.

1:50:15 Speaker 5: Thank you Jeane, and we will. This has been super fun. I'd love to have you back. We're going to do some more filming, uh you know, before you leave. But this is the This was really great. This was good to get the uh you know that whole story. Is there any question I didn't ask that you want to ask, or that more people should ask?

1:50:39 Speaker 3: What are we missing?

1:50:43 Speaker 4: It's a like, oh sorry, I keep hitting the mic. It's a strong emphasis on like metacognition and really like thinking about thinking and awareness. Like I said, like the way that Shane Frakes really lays it out there is on par with what my my internal experiences and has been since I initiated contact. I wasn't like a drone beforehand. I would study and analyze myself, but it accelerated it, right, being an experiencer.

1:51:13 Speaker 5: So what would you say to someone who's having experiences and doesn't understand what to do? What would you what would your advice be for them?

1:51:26 Speaker 4: Still get mental health help. I think it's like important, it's still helpful to speak to a therapist because you're working through it and be cautious like I was be cautious about just diagnosing yourself of whether it is or not, you know, like in the beginning, actually, you know what, do what you want to do. I'm not going to say don't do it, because I feel like that's like super programmat like I'm trying to like cover my docks. So no one like sues me. Just do what you feel is right and then like get help.

1:51:56 Speaker 4: And it's not discounting, and don't don't be scared of and you shouldn't be. In general, I think we're scared of admitting that we had mental health issues or that we had them. Don't hide that. There's no point. It's an overlapping experience. Think about every single experience you have is mental And if you have something that is sudden and definitely stands out right, it's anomalist. It might be a little bit traumatic, right, So then okay, so then it has okay, who cares? So we just you know, I know there are people in the community I suspect and they say their experiences I suspect their experiences.

1:52:31 Speaker 4: They exhibit behaviors that normal person would say is bizarre. Like my behavior was in certain parts of my experience just.

1:52:41 Speaker 5: Part of it, right right, Well, this has been so fantastic.

1:52:47 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming out here.

1:52:50 Speaker 5: Where can people follow what you're doing?

1:52:54 Speaker 4: My first and last name at Michela Fachar on TikTok, Instagram and x My social media is the best place.

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1:53:49 Speaker 5: So with that being said, everyone stay humble, stay kind, and we'll see you on the other side.

1:54:00 Speaker 3: Must be the season of the week. Must be the season, not the week.

1:54:10 Speaker 2: Must be the season.

1:54:12 Speaker 3: Up the bitch.

1:54:24 Speaker 2: I'm when I look over my shoulder, what do you think I see some of the cats, looking over his shoulder at me.