Living With the Paranormal | Ft Dave Taylor

0:37 Speaker 1: Act contact. Welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name is Ti and tonight we have a wonderful and special show, really special show. Actually, one of my favorite things to do is talk to people that I find interesting, that I find relatable, and that I think can bring something unique. Not everyone has to speak at lectures. Not everyone has to have a huge social media following to be able to have a good old fashioned discussion. And today I'm joined by someone who was my neighbor at one point, and I learned that he had some sort of intuition or relationship with the phenomena and whatever that means.

2:15 Speaker 1: We'll find out, of course together. Before we jump into it, make sure to like, share, subscribe if you're watching on any of the great podcast platforms, take a second, leave a rating and a review really helps with the algorithm. Let's get into it. My friend Dave Taylor.

2:34 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Dave Taylor, and I'm great excellent.

2:40 Speaker 1: So I know you are usually in the other on the other side of a camera. You're not one two or is this the first time you've ever done this?

2:51 Speaker 2: This is my yes, this is my first time on camera presenting myself to the world, or you know, yeah, to the world.

3:02 Speaker 1: So for anyone who you know, wants to know or doesn't know, what do you do professionally and just you know, maybe an introduction would an introductory question could be, you know, when was your first experience with with what we would call the phenomenon or you know, anything that extraordinary?

3:25 Speaker 2: Okay, to a general general overview of my my history, so to speak. So I grew up in West Virginia and kind of bounced around the country for a while after being in the military and found myself in the film industry.

3:49 Speaker 1: Military. Yeah, how long were you in.

3:52 Speaker 2: I was in the I was in six years for what brand National Guard turn basically active duty after well, you know, that was two thousand to two thousand and six.

4:03 Speaker 1: And what was your specialty I worked?

4:06 Speaker 2: I worked in the metovac. It was the one forty six metavac out of Cheeze Wood County. I think interesting. Yeah, we bounced around. We bounced around a lot.

4:17 Speaker 1: Did you Was that something that you always maybe like want, Like I know a lot of people, like you know, when they're in the high school, they're really gung ho about like getting into the getting into the service. Is that kind of how it started for you?

4:31 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, I was that was in need of some structure, I believe.

4:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, that's like the most common thing.

4:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like how you I think my I don't think my parents are ready for me. Uh and that's also probably a lot of that kind of the clairvoyants and stuff that I've had throughout my life. And as I you know, got older and you you could kind of tell that kind of weird people out and stuff, so you you kind of pull it back and when you're a kid, like you pull everything back just like, oh, nobody needs, nobody needs to see this, nobody needs to like nobody can, nobody can nobody can know that this is going on or whatever.

5:21 Speaker 2: But uh so there's only and I don't know if it's like full on clearvoyance. I'm still learning all this stuff and.

5:28 Speaker 1: You know, like navigating.

5:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting. I'm having a really good time with it. But uh it's there's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of.

5:38 Speaker 1: So Okay, so you were looking for structure. You went into the military, you did that, you come out, you end up in the film industry. You talk about I mean, let's just go back to it. When when was when did you know from like a young age that you were different? But you say you talked about pulling it back.

6:00 Speaker 1: I know.

6:00 Speaker 2: I mean, you don't nobody knows that you're different until somebody tells you no, right, Yeah, so I got told know a lot, right, And that's when you know you realize like, oh, okay, not everyone sees but everybody sees this. Not everybody's doing this. Maybe it is in my head. Maybe I am like kind of yeah, I'm on one side or the other. Maybe I'm looney tune, or maybe it's you know, something else.

6:24 Speaker 1: But so maybe just can you describe, like what maybe your first memory of something weird, happy like or extraordinary, Have your first maybe memory that you can recall of it happening where you were like, oh my god, this is something.

6:43 Speaker 2: Uh. I think the first time I was able to still sorry, be still in Watch without fear or yeah, any of those dreads or anything. I just kind of was out like doing some yard work guys living you know, I can't remember where I was living at the time, but I just saw this like figure and it it it was like you know, uh, you know, you're just kind of perceive it just showed yourself, like just some man energy just kind of there like, oh, it's like that this is really interesting. I'm not scared. I feel like they're just watching me, watch them, and I'm not really sure what's going on.

7:39 Speaker 2: So yeah, this has been This has kind of been a whole thing in my life.

7:43 Speaker 1: I just like, and you could tell it was masculine and they like inherently I.

7:49 Speaker 2: Mean, I don't know, I don't know if you know, is that part of my imagination.

7:55 Speaker 1: Or filling in like.

7:56 Speaker 2: Fel like I feel that what I felt as it felt that, you know, kind of presence of a human and it's like person standing there watching and kind of just observing. It wasn't really and I think, you know,

8:15 Speaker 2: I guess it would kind of take both sides of it, from spirit side of like they would have to show themselves as well.

8:22 Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, I don't know how it works.

8:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I've just been kind of getting back into it.

8:30 Speaker 1: And I think certain people. I think certain people have like this innate ability that they've either always had or unlocked through you know, whatever means. And here's one thing I guess I'll ask you to give you a lead. Do you think that everyone has these abilities, but maybe others like like suppress them or do you think it is a special thing.

9:00 Speaker 2: No, I do think. I think nothing in this world is impossible. Okay the time we live in right now, nothing is impossible, absolutely nothing. I think people are disconnected from themselves. I think people uh don't don't know, like myself. It's a I'm playing with it, I'm learning about it. I'm diving and you kind of go into you know, different things online and talk. If you can talk to people, you can't talk to people. People get weirded out and it's something would be creeped out and freaked out about.

9:43 Speaker 2: Like it's like the UFOs and aliens. You know, I agree, come on everybody.

9:50 Speaker 1: So you know, when you talk about these things these how do how do you think that it happens? I mean, do you think that there's I mean there are scientists who talk about, uh, the many worlds, like in like many worlds. So do you think that potentially what we've labeled as ghosts or spirits or this or or God's angels demons? Do you think that these may all be kind of like mistranslated and uh we're dealing with like the Saint it's not. I mean, it could be one or all of the above, but I tend to think that it's not just as simple as it's a ghost.

10:38 Speaker 1: I feel like there's so much more like complexity to it, like interdimensional.

10:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. I would love to say like I haven't thought about that, but no, I've thought about that a lot.

10:50 Speaker 1: What do you what do you think consciousness is.

10:54 Speaker 2: Consciousness?

10:57 Speaker 1: Because there's something that makes you and me.

11:02 Speaker 2: I think I think consciousness is kind of the root of all of it.

11:08 Speaker 1: You know, I've related it to you can like you have a radio, right, like a receiver or boombox, and you you know, turn it to ninety four point five. I could smash that boom box, but the signal is still coming. That's consciousness. The body is just a physical receiver of it, right, And I think the universe may be reaching out with all the different signals. Right. You're one of two point five, she's one of two point eight, right, and we're all like sometimes we entangle, right, but we do occupy and we are reporting back to the same thing.

11:47 Speaker 1: R.

11:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's all pretty connected, man. That's how I feel. I feel believed that, you know.

11:57 Speaker 1: Do you believe in oh no, I won't even say believe. Are we alone in the universe? Is humanity? Is it? Is?

12:08 Speaker 2: That?

12:08 Speaker 1: It? No, you think there's like life beyond earth. That's a good start.

12:15 Speaker 2: Now, it's I feel like the world is it's just this place that we get to come and create our spirit, our soul, are our you know, create, make something, expand this universe, expand the you know, make it fun. Yeah, I think that's silly.

12:45 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people forget that what their purpose is. It's not to work like nine to five.

12:51 Speaker 2: No, I think there's I think I think a lot of people. I think a lot of people. Are you Yeah, kind of stuck in that.

13:02 Speaker 1: You must become a non player character by default when you fall into the pattern of doing the same thing over and over and over again and not challenging your mind because people often I mean, you'll go to the gym, you'll work out that muscle, right, but they don't. They don't work on you.

13:28 Speaker 2: Got to work on all of it clean living like you know, well.

13:34 Speaker 1: You you came in here. I was having an issue and the parent the paranormal in general, I have a have a really big It's not that of a hard time with it. It's like I am much more skeptical. I am much like it has to be without a shadow of a doubt. Right with you, I've seen one. I know they exist. I have that confirmation moment where my life was like before it was after. Right, So I've had that experience where I've determined it's what it is. I don't know. That's why it's unknown unidentified. Uh, that's why I don't like the word alien or anything like that.

14:23 Speaker 1: I think, first off, it has negative connotation.

14:26 Speaker 2: Just reparently. I also think, yeah, we do all these labels and stuff. It's kind of love labels. It's oh man, that's kind of label it. And then also that this this thing happens you say alien, somebody gets triggered, and then you think they're making fun of them, like oh like.

14:48 Speaker 1: There's also there's also people that think and actually, so I've confirmed this as well with speaking to people in our government, there are some people that when I when when aliens are spoken about, they think what we're actually dealing with is demons and that were invoking the demonic and that we shouldn't be doing that. And they make good cases, but it's like you're starting like are you religious at all? We raised any I was so, yeah, what were you raised as?

15:21 Speaker 2: I was raised in the whatever church we were getting into on that Sunday when something yeah, when somebody wasn't feeling well okay, yeah yeah. It was like you know, a lot of Southern Baptists and kind of holy roller. And I went to like every church I went. I went to every church all the time.

15:41 Speaker 1: Did you ever feel anything in there.

15:43 Speaker 2: All the time?

15:44 Speaker 1: Yeah?

15:44 Speaker 2: I went. I went through all of it. I had so many you know, I had these emotional things and epiphanies and feelings and this and that. But every word that I heard was just like this, this is wrong. You're you're not saying it right. There's something than something that you're saying that's not right, and I have to go find that and I did that. Lie.

16:08 Speaker 1: I do you think what wasn't right was the actual verses of the Bible, Like that wasn't the right part? Or was it the way they were saying it wasn't right.

16:19 Speaker 2: It's the way they're saying I mean, kind of both written by men men.

16:24 Speaker 1: It's flawed, right, the.

16:28 Speaker 2: Things that happen, I don't know how well, That's why.

16:32 Speaker 1: I was hoping you would go because you're right. If we've learned anything, I think it's clearly that evil is real. And when you when you let something like the Council, because the Book of Enoch got left out. It's in the Ethiopian Bible, but it's not in this Bible. And no matter what ancient civilization you're talking about, they do all have these tendencies to talk about the same thing. Right, These beings that descended from the sky showed them agriculture, mathematics, astronomy, civilization rights, and they then there was a flood, and they all talk about that flood.

17:17 Speaker 1: And it's like, I'm okay with not throwing the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to any of these ancient texts, because I think if we I think everyone is a little piece of the puzzle. Right, So when we look at yeah, when we step back and we say, okay, what there was definitely a flood, and then the geological record also says there's a flood, I think we can say there was a fucking flood exactly, and it was that. So it's that that's semantics. Another thing almost every ancient text says in regards to like the religion is that these beings descended from the sky to them, that's God.

18:03 Speaker 1: To us, that's something different. That's alien or quote unquote non human intelligence. But again by definition, an angel or demon is non human intelligence. It's extra terrestrial.

18:16 Speaker 2: Right. I think evil is in a different way. I think evil is more kind of It plays on our fears more than anything else. It's it's like a constant

18:31 Speaker 2: if you don't do this, do that. And that starts with the permanent record that we had all had in grade school. Your permanent record, it's going to stay there. Where is yours?

18:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's somebuddy that you bring that up. You know someone who was telling me the other day that the idea of school was actually something that was created to separate children because what was happening was when you became of military age, people were going into the military, but they weren't pulling the trick or they were purposely missing. It's because they didn't want to kill someone. But then they decided we need to take them away from their parents sooner. So that and then they brought them to school, and that's where pretty so and it's back to the Nazi party.

19:18 Speaker 1: Kindergarten. It's it's literally it's it's a it's a German. It was a German psychological way of taking a kid and separating them from their parents at an early age, early enough where the next generation who fought in World War Two they didn't miss because they were ruthless. They just didn't have that same empathy in their head.

19:46 Speaker 2: As if I just think about it, not really, you know, doing research, Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

19:51 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you ever heard of month doc like the what Stranger Things is based on. So it's essentially it's it's really kind of land.

20:00 Speaker 2: But I like pulp culture very I work in movies, like making movies as an electrician and stuff. I work on movies so much, and I'm so busy all the time. I don't have time to watch most of the times. It's really embarrassing. It's sad, but I get everyone. So I have seen Stranger Things. I really loved it, and I got to work with some of the some of the crew that worked on last season. They were a lot of fun. It was a great time. Yeah, it was a good time.

20:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, but on a different project, on.

20:29 Speaker 2: A different project. That's kind of how it's all based. It's like we were freelance contractors that you like, crew up. Yeah, it's like he got we got this guy. He wants to make this. Well, you know, crew up and go do that and then on to the next one. Sorry about that, you're good?

20:45 Speaker 1: Well that's that. Yeah, it's a they're very talented, a very very talented team with you know. Again, I give so many, so much props to the world because a lot of something you'll hear often with people that don't make movies or don't know the industry is this this CGI versus practical thing. It's like they don't understand what actually goes into Like it's like what you don't want is bad CGI. Right, that's what they don't want to say.

21:15 Speaker 2: Stuff.

21:17 Speaker 1: But when when done properly and it can hold the test of time, like the Transformers movies. For some reason, why does that Why did Iron Man in two thousand and eight, Why does that look better than modern Marvel movies. It's because the care was put in to the actual CGI and they were shooting things practically, and they were informed in their intent to make the CG models. They there's a lot of work that goes into movie making that I think people don't even they don't see and they don't understand.

21:48 Speaker 2: For every one person that's in front of the camera, there's probably like thirty or forty behind.

21:52 Speaker 1: It, sometimes more on. Yeah, yeah, that's a general ratio. Yeah, so what you do is truly az.

22:00 Speaker 2: So we have a lot of like filmmaking community, we have a lot of fun. It's almost like it's it's like, so somebody told me that they said years ago, they were like they were trying to explain what the film industry was to like their girlfriend or something. It's like, well, the film industry is. It's like the circus in the army had a baby.

22:21 Speaker 1: There you go, and of.

22:22 Speaker 2: Course he turns around. It's like, oh, that's Dave Taylor.

22:27 Speaker 1: Literally was in both and that's hilarious. It's very true.

22:31 Speaker 2: Clown parents. So I usually don't lead off with that on the first date.

22:35 Speaker 1: But wait what yeah, you know.

22:41 Speaker 2: Way my parents they met in like a traveling, small mom and pop family circus. Yeah, my dad would do anything that they'd pay him to do, and my mom was like really serious about her clowning. Really very silly people.

22:58 Speaker 1: So you weren't, were you ever not not afraid of clowns? Then? No, no, no, you saw behind the makeup early it's.

23:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you live in it, Yeah, and you're kind of around the Yeah, they I mean they were well out of out of circuit, like they go do some reunion weekend shows or something like that, or where they had big, big parties with you know, they'd all get back together once are the funerals, and then we just remember like sometimes like walking across a like a basement floor and it was like landminded people and it's like, oh circus.

23:31 Speaker 1: So that's that's and that's through the South as well. Like where did you actually grow up? Where were you born?

23:39 Speaker 2: Born and raised in Charleston, West Virginia.

23:41 Speaker 1: Okay, and then you came up here because of the industry or because of the military.

23:46 Speaker 2: It's hard to tell anymore nowadays. Yeah, but no, so I.

23:50 Speaker 1: Boston is good for the movie industry now.

23:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh Boston's great. So I left West Virginia after military deployment all that stuff, and I got myself to San Francisco. That's where I started in the industry. Worked out there five six years, I can't really time, got myself to East Coast, did another little bit in West Virginia, and then just kind of went up and down the East Coast and was doing jobs and finding places to be, and then wound up in Connecticut for a little bit and stayed there for probably too long.

24:29 Speaker 1: Did you do you like like some some people some people like that constant move some people don't.

24:40 Speaker 2: I think I think I'm you know, down to my core, probably very nomadic just in my my way. I've really I don't think i'd say that, right. I don't feel like I've ever had like a true home, U just kind of home of the world, home of the earth. I just you know, kind of pick up and.

25:05 Speaker 1: Go like that almost where you know, Yeah, I'm sleeping, were you sleeping? Yeah? And it's such a beautiful world. I feel like people don't get to see a lot of it when you do.

25:16 Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's it's really unfortunate how much and even myself included, how much I don't really am just you still take the time to actually just sit and enjoy it, enjoy it. Look look look over there, don't look down here, look around and be connected.

25:36 Speaker 1: It's one of the worst things you've seen is people on like vacation taking pic like staring at their phones, like what do you do what are you doing?

25:47 Speaker 2: I remember one time I went to uh we were down in New Orleans with some friends and stuff, and I had a friend. He's taking a picture of every single thing and he's walking by. So I just started taking pictures of him taking pictures, and some of those pictures were even more fun than the other pictures.

26:03 Speaker 1: You like documentary, that becomes something different. I just it's almost artists.

26:08 Speaker 2: I just like having fun and things I think are funny.

26:11 Speaker 1: It's like, all right, you've traveled a lot. You ever seen a UFO?

26:14 Speaker 2: I can't say I haven't, but I haven't seen I've seen some things. I was like that, I don't know.

26:20 Speaker 1: Like what walk me through something?

26:22 Speaker 2: Okay? I okay. So during all that drone craziness and Jersey, you know, I was driving back from somewhere in through Boston and I saw like something. It was the only thing that didn't have a green flash red light, and it just its movement was like different, and I was like, what that that doing that? I don't know what that is? But hello, how are you so?

26:52 Speaker 1: Is it the light light in the sky?

26:54 Speaker 2: Yeah? I just really didn't think anything of it. It was like the way I was looking the guy was so excited about all the drones and Jersey. I was curious.

27:03 Speaker 1: Everyone was. We found out that we kind of found out that it some Most people's consensus is that it was a mix of friendly right, like friendly black budget stuff, uh, doing this kind of drill looking for because the only reason that you fly at night with a drone is like heat sensing, right thermal, So, and that's the only way you can, you know, really see with a drone. There's nothing, there's no drone that can you know, see in the dark. You need to be looking through thermal So they're used for that reason, to for heat signatures.

27:46 Speaker 1: But also there's ones that can pick up on radiation. So a lot of people concurred that they were running some sort of black training looking for a rogue New Yeah. So, and no one knows if it was a real world scenario and there was actually material or it was just war games. I was told by a member of Congress to not go to New Jersey, so I stayed, I didn't go. Yeah, end up being nothing, you know, hard to say, hard to say that He said that he thought that it was a mix of anomalous phenomena in drones at the same time though, because of the nuclear material, because there seems to be this connection between UFOs and nukes.

28:31 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but there's so many cases, even in the books that are up there I've worked. I walked a nuclear controller into Congress. His name is Bob Saalice, and he was at Mount Strom Air Force Base and there. You know, you've ever seen the movies where like a nuke, they they launched a nuke and the two key turners. He was one of those key turners. That was his real job, was down in the silo. And there a night in nineteen sixty seven, and uh, I believe it was March of nineteen sixty seven,

29:09 Speaker 1: pulsing orange light in the sky breaches the nuclear facility so Malmstrom Air Force Base and starts hovering over the launch control facility. The guards have their weapons raised and aimed at the thing, and they're calling down to Bob and they're like, we don't know what this is, YadA, YadA. He thinks they're just kidding around at first, and doesn't it's not really taking it seriously. He's like, so you're telling me there's a UFO, all right, call me back when we're actually you know, when something real happens.

29:38 Speaker 1: Click ring ringing calls right back, and now he's frantic and he's like, this thing is now over the like actual missile silo. And then as he's saying that ten nukes just go offline, click click click click click click click go into a no go. And they're an alon. They're not connected to each other, so that if one goes down, they don't all go down. These things are also separated by tens of miles, right, you don't just put one nwke and then one you know, five feet next to it and five feet. No, they're separated by miles.

30:14 Speaker 1: So there's about five or six you know missile silos and for up to ten, and they're spread throughout a twenty mile radius. And this orange light takes ten of them offline. So if the President called Malmstrom and ordered a nuclear launch, the answer was, I can't for a full day. So and that is only one case. I can tell you ten more of the same exact Ellsworth Air Force based North Dakota, Mario Woods Security MP, So he's MP for Military Police and Security for the launch launch control facility. So he same thing happens Ellsworth Air Force Base, Main Mine Not Air Force Base h Vandenberg Air Force Base Langley, All of them have had Almost every nuclear facility has been has had a UFO or some sort of anomalous phenomena at one point or another.

31:23 Speaker 1: Why are they attracted? And Roswell. Roswell was the only at the time in nineteen forty seven was the only place with a nuclear equipped combat battalion that was the fifty ninth bomb Atomic Squadron. They were the only ones in the world with atomic technology and a UFO crashes. What's going on? What's what's the correlation? What do you think it is?

31:53 Speaker 2: Man?

31:54 Speaker 1: I don't think And Trinity, Trinity the first test three days after they exploded the first nuclear bomb. When Oppenheimer in Trinity exploded the first bomb. Three days later, UFO crashed in that same area. Jack Valet wrote about it called the book called Trinity. So I think that we are doing damage, potentially much more damage than we think with this with these bombs.

32:26 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and but.

32:29 Speaker 1: Maybe in a different dimension. And and that's why the increase in sightings have began when the atomic bomb went off, because they're coming here and saying the apes have thermonukes. Now we got to check in on this.

32:43 Speaker 2: Why, like, as you said that, just like sunk in that. Yeah, that's okay. I'm all like, it's I constantly live in this world. Nothing is impossible. So I let myself play with that idea, that thought that, you know, and let it like sink in a little bit. Yeah, it's not going to shake me in my grounds of who I am.

33:06 Speaker 1: And if the president came out tomorrow onto the podium, and I know, given our current president, it would definitely sound odd him saying it. But if the president came out, let's just say like he was, like, you know, did the did the classic my fellow Americans, people of the world. We are not alone and here's the evidence. Right, would that change anything in your life?

33:31 Speaker 2: Be like yeah, about time? You.

33:35 Speaker 1: I think most people feel that way. So why do we need it? Why do you think we need it? People need that? No, they they need people need it. Yeah, I don't.

33:50 Speaker 2: The system needs to have that, not have them not be you know, uh, we.

33:57 Speaker 1: Give them the right to classify reality.

34:00 Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't do it.

34:02 Speaker 1: It's crazy to me. And I think the first cover up began with the church because before governments. Who is the judge, jury, and executioner. It was the church, And what if the church found out that the world is in black and white and aliens don't fit into their agenda and they need to get that out of people's minds. I don't know, It's something I ponder though. Yeah, you don't think if the president came out though, would collapse society? Do you think the world's ready for that? That discussion?

34:30 Speaker 2: I think we're way past. Is like, are we ready for the discussion? We're way past that. There were way past a lot of things in this life, like preach,

34:42 Speaker 2: it's we get so sucked up into our fear of everything. We're afraid to do anything, afraid to afraid of love, afraid to laugh, afraid to just be who you are. Like, man, everybody calm down. Let's just chill out some music and you know, relax and have a nice day.

35:03 Speaker 1: You practice like meditation?

35:04 Speaker 2: You said, right, Yes, I've I've really gotten into meditation quite quite a bit over the last few years. It was kind of after you know, giving up alcohol and kind of starting to clean living and you know, getting older. Yeah, body hurts a little bit, so gotta you know, I also back into it.

35:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, I also stopped drinking, and I think it's made me so much more. So. Have you ever had like an out of body experience or like like a d MT, like like gone to another.

35:35 Speaker 2: Realm like through through meditation?

35:38 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, like astral projection. Right, So what does that feel.

35:42 Speaker 2: Like right now? Which is because I'm still you know, getting fresh into it and doing my work to my practice right now, I'm still a little kind of cloudier in the visual world or sense of it, I get a lot more Sorry, take that back.

36:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't worry. Slow it though. So meditation, astral projection, you get a little bit more of the visual like you're still in reality again.

36:13 Speaker 2: It's like it's like you get the family member that visits you, but you just kind of like you can just tell that it's like, hey.

36:26 Speaker 1: How's it going that it's them.

36:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just kind of like there in your spot and just you know, you can choose to engage or not. And I don't know, it's kind of just interesting. It's been fun.

36:39 Speaker 1: You told me.

36:43 Speaker 2: Let's get worried when people say you told me.

36:45 Speaker 1: You told me that the apartment that you lived in that the same one that's attached to the house that I live in currently. That it seemed to be this train stop like for metaphor of course, this this crossing. Can you explain what you meant by that?

37:10 Speaker 2: So when I first moved into that, uh, that apartment, it always felt like there were a handful of like or not a handful, like maybe a couple of people, like a couple of presences sitting in one room. That's not a very big apartment. It's the room there, room there, and it's really small. But when you were over here in the kitchen, like you could feel or sense like movement or energy or just like emotion, not emotion, you know, motion motion. So and then when if you were in that room, it would be more through the hallway and through the bathroom.

37:52 Speaker 2: It's just kind of constantly kept feeling

37:57 Speaker 2: how you call.

37:58 Speaker 1: It, Yeah, it was.

38:00 Speaker 2: It was so transient to me. Every piece of it was just transient, and it felt the only thing I could think of it was like a train station. There's like coming out of the bathroom and going into the bedroom or going back the other way. It just felt like that. And there's so much constant, constant, constant things I would always see something like in the you know, going moving around and back and forth.

38:24 Speaker 1: And I say this because I've had similar up here. Yeah here, right up here. I told you the story where I was right there editing and I had a live feed of myself and then the edit the footage of myself, and I didn't know which one I was looking at at the time, the footage or the live feed. And that door just swings open and it's it's closed it as it is right now, and it just swings open and it's not like a it's violent and it goes right to like an you know yeah. And I'm sit there for a second, and then I remember telling her about it was on the live feet unfortunately not the recording.

39:06 Speaker 1: I wish it was on the recording. But I look behind me and I go ooh, and I come up and I go to the door. I look down the garage is is the winter. The garage is closed. The door down there is closed, because sometimes that one will flip open to so I was like maybe a draft. That was my rational brain is going draft, every window shut, every door shut. Nothing could have done that aside my brain. I couldn't process it. It freaked me out, man, because again the paranormal, it's like I can get my head around you of foes.

39:40 Speaker 1: That shit, I can't get my head around because it's like occupying the same space as me. But I can't see it, I can feel it. So check this out. I've lived on the first floor for the past ten years, like through multiple apartments. I've always like in my summer apartment, I was on the ground floor, like underground floor, and I could hear everyone above me framing him. Where I lived after that, I was in a first floor apartment. We and we had so little kids upstairs running all it was terrible. But but they yeah, but there was like eighteen of them in there, so it was like you know it, it was terrible, but it was like eight in the morning.

40:28 Speaker 1: It would start on Saturday, and like you was just like I want to sleep, but mind you whatever. So then we come here and I have Chuck above me and it's he They're they're great, but I but I can hear them above me sometimes right, and they have a cat scurries across. So all this to say, I didn't realize that I was hearing footsteps above me up here, but it wasn't registering with me because I was so used to it. As soon as that clicked, Dave, my body went old because I'm like, oh my god, it's not even just scurrying like some squirrels up there.

41:13 Speaker 1: I'm talking foots walks across the whole thing.

41:16 Speaker 2: And then you you.

41:19 Speaker 1: And then we had the dog freak out on camera. And this all happened in succession, like within a month or two. Yeah, you came in and that's when I found out that you had this, Like, yeah, I just went.

41:34 Speaker 2: Down dirty with I was feeling I was feeling it. I was feeling very connected and very ready for it. So I was like, let's do it.

41:39 Speaker 1: So you came up and you were actually moving out that day. Yeah, and I told you the day after you did it, I came in because we were filming a documentary that day and it felt brighter in here, and ever since it's been light. So that's what sparked me to want to have this discussion. Went to you is like clearly there's like not many people have like maybe step back and go, oh, what was that? So it's like I'll ask what was that?

42:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I didn't know what it was, but I felt it immediately, and it was definitely trying to do some like intimidation of some sort.

42:18 Speaker 1: Do you think that that's maybe where we get the idea of like like our ancestors called devil like or demons or tricksters like you know, Norse mythology and Loki like. It's it wasn't maybe malevolent, but it was brickster and ship.

42:35 Speaker 2: Twist trick you you know that's the gens that's.

42:39 Speaker 1: Gin Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's funny that they bring that up because in that same culture that they have the vmona yeah, which is a flying flying craft right that the gods, the gods flew and vermanas this craft that had no visible propulsion. It was an aircraft before in ancient cultures, makes they had no right of reference or anything like that. What's going on? So that's the stuff. I find it super interesting.

43:09 Speaker 2: So I did this thing. That's so much fun with it. I did a few times. I get to like not you know, be surrounded by people or anything else, to turn on a couple of those you know, the age aliens all those things and just like just let my brain go take the biggest thing go with it. Yeah, that realizing, like who these story stories for a reason. There's there's part of the who whoa whoa? This is all in plain sight, what whoa?

43:39 Speaker 1: And that's one of the things about Ancient Aliens. Of course it's a TV show. Of course they've had the make seventeen seasons, right, they had to stretch that content out.

43:52 Speaker 2: I've worked on paranormal TV shows too.

43:55 Speaker 1: And it's and you get it.

43:58 Speaker 2: Any anything we like, uh, there's always going to be a little bit of hollooranization. Now just put it like this way. The things I saw on like a couple of different the paranormal ones, the only thing they would like set or like would be if somebody brought something in or you know, something special they had a special thing to show or to do for something.

44:29 Speaker 1: Like a red or a SLS.

44:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, oh, we're gonna think, oh, guys, we got to come back, we got every set, we got to do this. Okay, let's let's go through it again. But some of them, it's some of them like that are out there by themselves and doing that stuff. Those guys. Yeah, it's it's what you see.

44:48 Speaker 1: Yeah. Unfortunately, I've seen the other side of it where they try to fake it, and it's like, yeah, I was filming documentary and I want I'm not gonna yeah, but they tried to get me to lean into something and I just like turned around. I was like no, like absolutely not, and I was like and that at that moment, that's when I scrapped the In my head. I didn't know it at the time, but in my head, that moment ended that documentary at in that current format, in that current rendition. The documentary ended there because I never put it out.

45:27 Speaker 1: I never I tried to like get over it and like see if I could, but I'm gonna have to literally start from bottom up on that because in my mind it's now tainted the whole thing. Yeah, this is what I lesson. That lesson I learned, right, But I grew up next to a haunted road. Right. I could show you some ship in the woods that should not exist. She's been there. There's like an altar in the woods that you just can't explain, Like I can't explain it, and no one's been ever able to explain it to me, like an alter in the woods.

46:06 Speaker 1: And then not to mention in those same woods. There's other things too. There's structures out there, like structures that I just don't I can't wrap my head around. And you know, it'd be nice to bring someone out like you who's more in tune with that world. Would you go? Would I want to make because in lieu of the documentary, I'm going to put that on hold for a while, but I want to make a YouTube video and I want to go to these places and bring someone with me and just go there, recount the legend, show some stuff and like do do it the way I want to do it.

46:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds so cool. Yeah, I would love to do stuff like that, like doing some of those shows, you know, and working in entertainment and stuff. I love getting into that.

46:53 Speaker 1: But but you also know how to like work the equipment.

46:57 Speaker 2: Good to have you, but no, and for really, uh, like there's certain places that I've hiked around here. I've been all over the woods out here.

47:05 Speaker 1: I know you guys, You and Hillary fucking walk your dogs amazingly. You guys walk so much. Every time I'm working at home, I would see you guys walk by like four times a day, and I'm just like, I'm so jealous.

47:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good, Like have a dog enjoyed. Dogs are great. They're wonderful like that because they forced you to go outside. They forced you to do things. Now, one thing like don't run, rush out and get a talk hold on.

47:31 Speaker 1: Yeah.

47:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's Christmas do a lot, especially, a lot, a lot of responsibility. It's a it's a you know, a little little beam.

47:41 Speaker 1: It's like a kid. Yeah, but it saved my life. Oh yeah, he's he was there when my mom died. And it was like he knew, he knew before I knew that that was going to be the day. Because so I was on a show. I was doing a show actually, and uh, I got the call. I'm doing a show. So my phones like this. I usually unless i'm reading a note like like I have here, I'll just show you like I have notes freet like questions I might ask you to, you know, unless I'm reading something off that, I'll just keep it down right, so I just keep hearing it.

48:16 Speaker 1: And I told my mom that week. The only day I wouldn't be there was Saturday, right the day before Easter, because I was interviewing the chief film critic of Variety, a guy named Owen Gleivererman really big deal in the entertainment world, like the you know Variety, the magazine. Yeah, so he's the chief film critic of Variety, right, and I was interviewing him that day. You can still find a video I need toube. Actually, I don't know why I don't delete it. But then you see me look at my phone, realize my sister called eight times and you just see me kind of immediately my camera just goes black boom and stream ends, right, boom ends, everything ends.

48:59 Speaker 1: And I had to get into an uber from Somerville to Bill Ricca, and my sister was like, she's about to die. So this whole forty five minute uber, I have Logan with me in my lap. I'm trying not to cry in the uber, but it's happening, and I'm just saying in my head, just wait thirty minutes. Just if you can hold on, hold on, but if you need to go, I understand, right, like I understand. So I'm having this conversation in my head with her and I make it. But Logan, and again, this is why I trust him. When he sees something like that, when when he gets freaky, when he doesn't when he reacts to someone, I take it seriously.

49:42 Speaker 1: Because he showed me on so many occasions that he's something else right. So we get to the house immediately he knows something wrong, something wrong, and he knows that he would you would usually do jump up into the bed with her. Every other time we were there. He jumped right up with her. He walks in the room, doesn't jump up, goes under the bed under her hospital bed. You know, they raise up a little bit, So he goes under it and he just lays there under it, like run in parallel to her underneath it.

50:18 Speaker 1: He just lays there. You wouldn't even know. And he's a dog that when he's he moves, he'll get up and he'll switch. Didn't move a fucking muscle for three hours, just under her bed. And I was in the room when she went and it was just me and him. I didn't even know he was there. I didn't know if he had left the room or not. But he was in the room with me, and uh he just came up to me after and he put his arm, lifted it up, put it on my shoulder, almost almost as if to say like I got you, bud.

50:51 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and uh oh. They're very very connected to our emotions.

50:54 Speaker 1: But that's the day I saw the ORB in the room with us, So my mom was there, and when then she wasn't. But I saw this orble thing, little baseball size like, and I'm colorblind, so I don't know if I had color or not. But you ever looked down a highway on a hot day that like dispersion ball that up It looked like a light was bending around it. One second, she's there, and I can tell she's there, just like I can tell you you're there. I looked down for just a micro second. By the time I look back up, this thing just crosses my field of vision, hooks an l out the window, and I'm not even sure I saw what it saw.

51:32 Speaker 1: But then when I look back, she was gone. She's no longer there. And then I closed her eyes, she was gone. Like I was like, I didn't talk about it for a long time, at least a year, maybe longer, but she was involved in both of my anomalous experiences you have osiding when I was a kid. And then it was like it was almost like a one last reminder because that day this show was born. Because I was like, I want answers. Yeah, I'm not going to stop I.

51:59 Speaker 2: Mean, that's that's kind of what has happened to me. And I think a lot of it did start with all the traffic that was going on in there and and the apartment across the way.

52:09 Speaker 1: It's like, you're like, I need to know more.

52:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to figure this out because it's drived me and drive me crazy. I just felt insane.

52:17 Speaker 1: Have you ever been to like a medium or something well like something like that.

52:22 Speaker 2: No.

52:22 Speaker 1: I I have met people that are I could bring you somewhere.

52:28 Speaker 2: Pace and like they always are like whoa, this kind of give me the whoo.

52:33 Speaker 1: I'd love to bring you into one of the most famous shops in Salem. We got good access there and I'd love to just unprompted bring you in. Yeah, because again Salem is Salem. By the way. We've done the research, We've connected Dudley Road and Bilrica to Salem and Salem and the Witch Stiles and then to Bridgewater Triangle. In King Phil's War, all three out atrocities happened, and it seems like the land is holding some sort of car stacho. Oh man, So I don't know if it's do you believe in like hot spots?

53:08 Speaker 2: I believe in hot spots. I believe in Like I mean again, I'm still really kind of.

53:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, belief is a bad word to use.

53:17 Speaker 2: Believe, Yeah, yeah, I do believe. There's hearts of this world. There's or there's even things of this world that we just take for every day. But it's it's all connected to everything.

53:33 Speaker 1: Like you know what you mean, I well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. What I think it means is that the atoms that make up the table and the atoms that make up yourself, myself, they're the same atoms. We're made up of recycled stardust. But what makes us special is consciousness, you know, Yeah, it's it's it's what it's self awareness and the ability to recognize self. And I think that is something intrinsically. I think the galaxy has I think it's there. Statistically, is unlikely that we are the only thing in the only game in town.

54:18 Speaker 1: Just pure numbers wise right, right, purely numbers right. Statistically almost honestly, I think it'd be scary if we were alone, if there was all that empty space or space and universe full of galaxies and stars, and you know, if then you know, if we want to take dimensionality to it and like all that space just for us, that'd be creepier, right, So for me it's like, Okay, there's definitely life outside of Earth, right, but here the thing about the spacement, there's always something outside the four walls.

55:00 Speaker 1: That's what I don't understand about our universe is if it ends somewhere, there has to be something on the outside. And if it doesn't end, how is that possible? Are we in a simulation? Because you can't. Infinite is infinite? Like what has that kind of computing process aside from some sort of god like because if everything was created from nothing and it's just expanding at an infinite.

55:27 Speaker 2: Like, it just that that's that's that's real.

55:34 Speaker 1: Well, you know what's funny to me is scientists will say the Big Bang theory, right, they'll say out of nothing, out of a pin drop, came everything. But you know, and young religious people's God, God said let there be light, right, God said, out of nothing, game everything. They're saying the same thing just through a different lens. And again I think that's what happens with UFOs is what they called vimanas, what they called chariots of the gods, what they called dragons, Those were mistaken technology.

56:07 Speaker 2: I think it's all so much closer than we actually understand, and so much more connected than we know. That's our journey answers.

56:12 Speaker 1: Like entanglement, because that would be interesting, right, they got a quantum level like if say we occupy the same room like we entangle, and maybe that's how like things like telepathy are developed.

56:24 Speaker 2: Well for the I'm sorry, what's the what would be the correct aliens? Is that?

56:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, just for lack of better term, non human, I.

56:34 Speaker 2: Just don't want to be hi respectful for that.

56:38 Speaker 1: I think people give you a pass ufo community people cool.

56:41 Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

56:43 Speaker 1: So so aliens, Yeah, they're connected.

56:49 Speaker 2: To us, connected to us. Well, there's much talker understanding that there's people that have had these experiences. They had some sort of telepathic message given to them. Yes, right, so when you're meditating, you're getting messages from something, from something, it's yourself, it's God.

57:10 Speaker 1: It's theoretically that would that would mean that you could somewhat communicate through meditation with a non human intelligence. It's like a phone line. You open up.

57:22 Speaker 2: The world is there's no nothing impossible.

57:26 Speaker 1: And that's another thing I've said for a long time is again school The world just inherently wants everything to be black white, yes, no one zero, but it's so much more.

57:40 Speaker 2: Gray, so many, so much more gray.

57:44 Speaker 1: Do you think that alien abduction happens.

57:46 Speaker 2: Colts of color wheel? Yes, make it fun, let's get it.

57:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of big, big color wheel, a lot of hues. Do you think like abduction happens alien abduction?

58:03 Speaker 2: I have had people tell me stuff like that, Like I've heard a story before where somebody, sorry, back on the other side. I've heard stories before where somebody like they had a sleep paralysis or whatever, that's what they thought it was. Later down the road kind of like, well, I'm not really sure what that was. That was a crazy stream I ever had. Like then they talk about another ten years later, like I still don't know what that was, Like it kind of sounds like you got adducted.

58:31 Speaker 1: What happened?

58:32 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. It wasn't really. I wasn't really.

58:35 Speaker 1: I didn't tell you the details. No, okay, I And that's you don't know, that's their story. So have you ever do you know what a near death experience is? I mean yeah, like so people have their life flashed before their eyes that kind of thing, or they see the other side, they go there for a minute, yeah, and uh, then they don't want to come back. I'm gonna guess inherently by your answers and your intuition, but do you think that there's life after death in some format?

59:08 Speaker 2: In format?

59:09 Speaker 1: Are you afraid of death?

59:11 Speaker 2: Why? I'm not afraid?

59:13 Speaker 1: Are you just saying that? No?

59:14 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I have no fear. I walked through this life with love in my heart, and I have absolutely no fear.

59:19 Speaker 1: How do you do that?

59:20 Speaker 2: I went deep down in my soul I found it, and yeah, no, I just know. I know I'm protected. I know I'm okay, And.

59:28 Speaker 1: You're okay with not that you're okay with dying, But you'd if it happened tomorrow, you'd be You'd say, I'm fulfilled.

59:36 Speaker 1: I know. I know for me, I I fear it, fear death for some reason. So like I think, and I tell people, I love life so much that I just don't want to die. It is true, But I just I don't fear easy.

59:51 Speaker 2: I don't want to die. I mean, I've done I love this all right, I've done those things. I've I've talked about it. Or you know, on through the motions of you know, suicide or however it sucks. I've seen a lot of friends that have committed suicide, especially you know with the deployments. Yeah, living in the military life, but uh yeah, it's it's crazy. But that's a dark, dark hole to be in when you're in that.

1:00:19 Speaker 1: And that's how I know evil exists, because something takes over. Right, we looked this up. We looked this up. Actually so the Institute of Neuetic Sciences, I believe, right so, and one of the founders of the Institute of Neuetic Scientists Science was a guy named Edgar Mitchell. Six man to walk on the Moon comes back with this brand new appreciation for life, for consciousness, right because he said, on the way home from the Moon, after walking on a celestial body, he was looking out the porthole and he saw Earth and it's in totality, and it dawned on him that every moment in all of our recorded history and not recorded history, every single person you've ever known, every thought that's ever crossed our minds on this planet, it's all happened on this small little blue dot hanging in space, revolving a giant ball of fire, and he just It's called the observer effect, right, Astronauts commonly go through it.

1:01:35 Speaker 1: So he comes back and he's renewed. He wants to know things, so he founds this Institute for Noedic Science, and they conduct this experiment alongside I think I believe a university, but I'm not sure either way. They take water, right, my audiences can be like, you tell all these eight stories every episode, but they when they froze the water, they would speak to it for right, so they would say like love, kindness, anything out of positive connotation. The crystal would freeze in a beautiful fashion when they said things like war, hate, kill, like murder, because kills not inherently bad, but anything with the negative connotation.

1:02:21 Speaker 1: The crystal was just funky looking, right, So what they theorize, what the hypothesized was that your intent and the way that you think your words they matter literally affect the matter around you. So you ever had a day where you hit every green light and you're just jumping on it, right, and you walk in there's a bright sunny day. Because then the next day you hit every red light. Every driver seems to be in your way. You got to sit at the grocery store line behind a woman who has four kids that she can't control, and everything everyone is in your way, right, you.

1:03:05 Speaker 2: Know what you're supposed to enjoy that.

1:03:06 Speaker 1: Well, we go into our default setting, and our default setting used to be the victim.

1:03:11 Speaker 2: No, sit back, sit back, Sit back with it, and we're all in this together. Sit back with it. Just wait, be patient, calm down, it's all okay. I'm going to get to where you're going.

1:03:21 Speaker 1: I thought that was really cool because, like again, it's kind of like that idea of willing something into existence.

1:03:29 Speaker 2: Yeah right, Like, I mean there's so many things. Just what the words you're saying, Like you keep telling yourself I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Like you that that does something on you're like it starts springing you downstairs, bringing you downstairs, bringing it down you. You know, not not saying bad things to yourself. Don't call yourself a tell me, don't say you're an idiot. Don't do this. Don't like be nice to yourself first, be nice to everything. Like just you know, think about that water when you're pouring it out there and pouring in the glass, you know, think happy thoughts into is a little tinker bell action or something.

1:04:06 Speaker 2: You know, it's just that, you know, just trying to play that little bit of magic. If you try that and it does something for you, that's wonderful. It doesn't throw it away.

1:04:17 Speaker 1: But but I think another thing that happens to us as kids again, I think that's a very fundamental stage of human development, right, because your brains a sponge at that time. And you know, there is a lot of cases of UFO like landings near schools where like Rurro, Zimbabwe at the Aerial School Westall, there's a bunch of cases where UFO seem to land and interact with children, giving them this telepathic message that we need to be careful with technology. And it's always the same thing. And then they draw.

1:05:00 Speaker 1: They all draw the same thing. They spring that kind of thing. Not with the joint though,

1:05:08 Speaker 1: I got one too. But yeah, all my aliens are smoking, except these guys down here. Yeah we got some new decor. Uh yeah. And I noticed that in someone else's stream they like casually put like a brick of money out and I was like, all right, there's mine. It's real. But it's real, right, that's that's real. Right. You can you observe that it's real. All right, all right, I got more of it in the book War in Peace, but uh no, it's just kidding. Its motion picture money. Guys, what do you think most people misunderstand about the phenomena?

1:05:54 Speaker 1: What do you think most people misunderstand about the phenomena or like the paranormal? What is your general person not? What do they get wrong when thinking about what this is? Oh man, that's deep on you.

1:06:07 Speaker 2: Paranormal. I think it's closer than you realize. And that's not a bad thing. It's not to be scared. It's just closer than you realize. You just you're not, uh just not aware of it because there's so much noise and static around you. If your every day of how you're conditioned to be in this hole or be in this label instead of just enjoying your life, just just go have fun. That's you know.

1:06:36 Speaker 1: Do you think that that's my.

1:06:38 Speaker 2: Rule in life? This is just going to go have fun, you know, do what I'm asked to do.

1:06:45 Speaker 1: You think it's a possibility that maybe our ancient ancestors, because they didn't have all the noise, that they were more tuned into, like the voice of God.

1:06:57 Speaker 2: And like that, how much time do you spend?

1:07:00 Speaker 1: Honest to god, I spend. I spend because I work at a day job where I need to be on the computer all day and then do this at night. Think about this since nine, since eight a m. I mean you could argue I'm not on a screen right now.

1:07:16 Speaker 2: Wait, yeah, we're having a conversation. Yeah, we do have.

1:07:20 Speaker 1: So this is what I would consider healthy. But a lot of my time is spent like because I'm gonna have to edit and luckily we've streamlined it. But like a lot of my time is in front of a screen right now, and it's debilitating. So yeah, I think definitely does something.

1:07:39 Speaker 2: Our technology. We need our technology. It's fun, it's exciting, it's awesome, and it's you know, it's what we create, it's what we've expanded, it's what we've made. Like Squirrel just really gets interesting every single time think about it. But we have to find balances between using those devices, watching TV, do it, you know, checking out when we should really be checking in and checking in with each other.

1:08:05 Speaker 1: Like COVID fucked up. I shouldn't even say COVID on the air. Can you mark the time? It immediately gets to nineteen the vid. Oh yeah, the lockdowns I think really did something to people mentally where they forgot how to connect with people. I think we're still not recovering.

1:08:27 Speaker 2: No, we haven't. I also got a crazy like that killed Uh do.

1:08:34 Speaker 1: You think that was done to us? Or like, don't get conspiratorially, you don't have to. But do you think that there's even a do you think that? Do you think it's a zero percent chance that that wasn't maybe some sort of test run for some sort of false flag operation. It's a fair question, let's see. And that's the same government that like the Gulf of Tonken mk ultra, they've done things that are irreprehensible.

1:09:01 Speaker 2: Enough to be throwing things like that.

1:09:03 Speaker 1: I don't feel fair enough.

1:09:05 Speaker 2: I have one more about the I felt insensitive when I said that about the Bible. The Bible written by men and translations is loss. I felt a little Ye, you're right, yeah, but that's I don't need to.

1:09:25 Speaker 1: You know, I know you know what. I know what you're I do know what you're Yeah, I know what you're feeling, because like.

1:09:31 Speaker 2: The Bible is you know, from but just like the ten Commandments are from God, right, you know, we as a society its telling these stories and translation them, translating them into other things, and all this other stuff. I think the message is a little more askewed at in some some of these places.

1:09:55 Speaker 1: Like the there's no doubt in the right place, there's there's there's not a doubt in my mind.

1:10:01 Speaker 2: It's it's a little more.

1:10:03 Speaker 1: Think about this Greek or ancient Greek, translating ancient Greek into or was it? Was it? No, it was ancient, Yeah, it was ancient Greek, and translating that into lesser what did they translate it into Hebrew? Hebrew has like I think a thousand characters versus Greek thirty thousand, right, it's like those aren't the real numbers, but it's that much difference. So like it's being under there's not the same words. So things did get lost in the translation literally, and this has happened a lot.

1:10:50 Speaker 2: I think that's I mean, you could translation here.

1:10:54 Speaker 1: Like that game of telephone. That's the whole point of that, right, is a whole A message can be convoluted just been the ten people year around.

1:11:02 Speaker 2: But so it's yeah, it's.

1:11:10 Speaker 1: Do you believe that there are or ever what were people on earth with what we would describe today as supernatural abilities, like like actual like parting the sea.

1:11:26 Speaker 2: Do you think people, I mean yeah, like.

1:11:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, why not right?

1:11:34 Speaker 2: I think I think there was magic. I think magic is very real.

1:11:39 Speaker 1: I would have to agree the magic is.

1:11:42 Speaker 2: Everywhere, and I don't want to questify more magic and create more magic myself. And yeah, being in the film business leaves me in that spot where we create magic every day. We're just making it up all the time.

1:11:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you are well, this has been really fun man.

1:11:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I appreciate you have to do it again.

1:12:00 Speaker 1: Anything that you're working on right now that is a note.

1:12:03 Speaker 2: Writing a lot, writing a lot, and writing a lot.

1:12:05 Speaker 1: So you like to write writing what like a fantasy?

1:12:09 Speaker 2: Everything is anything? Yes, kind of playing with life and creating what I want to create. Like I feel like maybe I'm crank out a couple of scripts, you know, have fun with it. You know.

1:12:23 Speaker 1: What's another thing I tried to bring up, and I meant to bring this up earlier is a lot of people that I've met in the communities of like people who like this kind of stuff, like the existential stuff. They always tend to be artists of some sort that just keep it speaker like flip back speaker, Papapa, Now mark the time too. Oh okay, I love it.

1:12:48 Speaker 2: Uh, you were writing scripts, writing scripts, So writing scripts? I love music.

1:12:54 Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot of people are artists.

1:12:57 Speaker 2: That's so like there's a lot more message music.

1:13:01 Speaker 1: Well, think about this. What's the root word and what's the muse the ether? And like even people like Nicola Tesla, Einstein, they all meditated and then or even musicians like Beethoven said that they were just a vessel and that it was like the universe was working through them to bring this into existence. So if they're doing that through meditation and thought experiments like Einstein, and like, think about that, what that guy was going through in his head? He founded general relativity through thought experiments.

1:13:35 Speaker 1: He was who's to say he wasn't actually astrally traveling through space. And you know, like that's the magic, that's the magic, that's the gray and the color wheel that people don't want to see because what they can see is it's in front of them, right, and they get so caught up with the material world that they completely forget. Yeah, that we live on you know, and so many people are focused on getting into heaven or or not going to hell, or you know that that they forget or they're so focused on the you know, their retirement or yeah, making amends for what they did in the past.

1:14:18 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you shouldn't.

1:14:19 Speaker 2: Do that hung up on that.

1:14:21 Speaker 1: You do have to as an avid believer, but you can't let it ruin the present because the president is the president is the gift.

1:14:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's so much fun.

1:14:36 Speaker 1: But the muse Yeah, so the amusement.

1:14:39 Speaker 2: Okay, you tell me David Bowie and Prince weren't angels, Like, come on, those those guys are on a whole different level.

1:14:47 Speaker 1: There are people that like, and there are people who you like. When you're in a room with them, you can like or when that person walks into a room, it lights the room up. But then there's the opposite, the people that walk into a room and the air sucks the energy. Vampire, stop being a just they suck the life out of the room. It's and you can HiT's tangible and and that's how I know. Again, like things like the Epstein Files, like have you been following do you follow any of this ship? That's tell me, that's not tell me that's not demonic evil inherent.

1:15:27 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, it is pure evil.

1:15:29 Speaker 1: Why aren't people marching on the streets. That's our kid.

1:15:33 Speaker 2: I just got some time off, so I'm getting ready to get in and get going like it just bothers're So just try it with me, Like try to separate yourself from from your devices, from like sucking yourself into the news. Be be aware, be you know, understand what's going on. Understand like what's happening in your local what's happening in the news. But don't get sucked into it because they're just making some of this stuff just it's like a constant.

1:16:09 Speaker 1: If it bleeds, it leads, if it's so, I feel that Holy spirit coming through those feel that Holy spirit. I just felt something tingle that was odd. But yeah, so writing, we'll we'll have to talk because I'm I'm writing a short film that I actually want to film in those woods. So last thing I'll say, and I want to get this on air. Every year I paint because my mom died the day before Easter, right, all she wanted to do is paint eggs. So every year, the day before Easter I go or either Easter or the day before Easter, I go out and I paint an egg in the woods that you know, because she brought me to those woods.

1:16:52 Speaker 1: And I paint an egg and spread a little bit of her ash and just talked to her just like I would any you know. And I always say, if there's any time to show me something or to tell me something, it's now. I'm here alone in the woods on Easter. There's no one out here. I can't I can't mistake it for anything my rational brain. If I'm in the city and someone speaks in my head, I'm just gonna think it. Someone call my name from Bob, you know what I mean. So I'm like, this is the perfect So I get done paint in the egg, I get done with the whole ceremony.

1:17:28 Speaker 1: I do. I cry a little. I I'm by myself, and I enjoy the moment. You know you talked about that that I take that moment. And I've been in those woods thousands of times. The only thing I've ever really seen are birds of all kinds, mostly geese on the pond that's right there, but beavers as well as of damns. I know deer are in there, but I've never come face to face with one. I climb out of the because it's like a little divot divot down After I'm I'm saying to my mom, if you don't want you want to show me anything, I climb up the ledge and I'm staring at ten deer, like from me to her that close deer, don't walk up to you like that.

1:18:26 Speaker 1: They they're timid. As soon as I came face to face with them, I had enough time where I went, why aren't they running? I had enough time to think that it was odd. By the time I got my phone out of the bag, they were far away, but I got them on camera running away, ten of them. Someone hit me with that after, but someone sent that deer is like an omen really for someone. Yeah, so in and then many other people said the same thing when I told the story, So I comes, I'm saying, man, my mother is like she's right there, like her, and she's right there, and she's the highest picture in the room.

1:19:03 Speaker 1: She's always looking down. But like for me, she's riding chocohun. I walked her into Congress, you know, I walked her into places that I never dreamed to be. And you saw me at my lowest bro drinking like drinking. She was always my north star and she will always be my north star. So you know, I I know that something's out there, that the world is colorful. It's but you I think you just maybe see it more than I do. Yeah,

1:19:36 Speaker 1: but I'd love to Yeah, so I'd love to listen. I'd love to do this again. I'd love to take you out to some spots and uh really, like you know what I'm down with, like due meditation out there too, and like there's have you ever heard of C five It's like it's a contact modality, so you essentially meditate with the intention of calling down UFO. Maybe we could try that sounds cool? Yeah, dude, Dave, fun times man, this is all this has been. This has really been great. It's always fun to have just like a Cuman conversation again.

1:20:11 Speaker 1: You know, with some people it's like yeah, some people it's very strict, right, like I'm dealing with personalities. But thank you guys for everyone who tuned in and who will be tuning in. Dave, you've been You've been a champ man. It is hard to just jump in front of a mic for the first time. You did great.

1:20:29 Speaker 2: I mean, granted, I've been in front of the camera many times, but that stuff's on the editing floor. Yeah, it just always stand in. But yeah, this was This is fun.

1:20:37 Speaker 1: You'll get better at it, trust me, you'll get You'll be able to be like baa Pop forever the first time I fell in love with it though. But for everyone listening out there on the podcast fare, uh leave a rating and review. It really helps the show, uh get seen by you know, just more people. More people means that we can spend more money bringing people to Boston. Like this weekend, we have an air Force All Source analyst Whistleblower coming into the studio and then Tim Birchett, representative out of Tennessee and in Congress, will be on the show next week as well, So lots coming.

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