Living With the Paranormal | Ft Dave Taylor

0:37 Speaker 1: Act contact. Welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name is

1:27 Speaker 1: Ti and tonight we have a wonderful and special show,

1:32 Speaker 1: really special show. Actually, one of my favorite things to

1:37 Speaker 1: do is talk to people that I find interesting, that

1:41 Speaker 1: I find relatable, and that I think can bring something unique.

1:46 Speaker 1: Not everyone has to speak at lectures. Not everyone has

1:51 Speaker 1: to have a huge social media following to be able

1:56 Speaker 1: to have a good old fashioned discussion. And today I'm

2:01 Speaker 1: joined by someone who was my neighbor at one point,

2:06 Speaker 1: and I learned that he had some sort of intuition

2:11 Speaker 1: or relationship with the phenomena and whatever that means. We'll

2:16 Speaker 1: find out, of course together. Before we jump into it,

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2:30 Speaker 1: Let's get into it. My friend Dave Taylor.

2:34 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Dave Taylor, and I'm great excellent.

2:40 Speaker 1: So I know you are usually in the other on

2:44 Speaker 1: the other side of a camera. You're not one two

2:48 Speaker 1: or is this the first time you've ever done this?

2:51 Speaker 2: This is my yes, this is my first time on

2:55 Speaker 2: camera presenting myself to the world, or you know, yeah,

3:00 Speaker 2: to the world.

3:02 Speaker 1: So for anyone who you know, wants to know or

3:06 Speaker 1: doesn't know, what do you do professionally and just you know,

3:13 Speaker 1: maybe an introduction would an introductory question could be, you know,

3:16 Speaker 1: when was your first experience with with what we would

3:20 Speaker 1: call the phenomenon or you know, anything that extraordinary?

3:25 Speaker 2: Okay, to a general general overview of my my history,

3:35 Speaker 2: so to speak. So I grew up in West Virginia

3:38 Speaker 2: and kind of bounced around the country for a while

3:43 Speaker 2: after being in the military and found myself in the

3:47 Speaker 2: film industry.

3:49 Speaker 1: Military. Yeah, how long were you in.

3:52 Speaker 2: I was in the I was in six years for

3:56 Speaker 2: what brand National Guard turn basically active duty after well,

4:00 Speaker 2: you know, that was two thousand to two thousand and six.

4:03 Speaker 1: And what was your specialty I worked?

4:06 Speaker 2: I worked in the metovac. It was the one forty

4:09 Speaker 2: six metavac out of Cheeze Wood County. I think interesting. Yeah,

4:14 Speaker 2: we bounced around. We bounced around a lot.

4:17 Speaker 1: Did you Was that something that you always maybe like want,

4:23 Speaker 1: Like I know a lot of people, like you know,

4:24 Speaker 1: when they're in the high school, they're really gung ho

4:27 Speaker 1: about like getting into the getting into the service. Is

4:29 Speaker 1: that kind of how it started for you?

4:31 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, I was that was in need of

4:39 Speaker 2: some structure, I believe.

4:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, that's like the most common thing.

4:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like how you I think my I

4:52 Speaker 2: don't think my parents are ready for me. Uh and

4:54 Speaker 2: that's also probably a lot of that kind of the

4:58 Speaker 2: clairvoyants and stuff that I've had throughout my life. And

5:02 Speaker 2: as I you know, got older and you you could

5:05 Speaker 2: kind of tell that kind of weird people out and stuff,

5:07 Speaker 2: so you you kind of pull it back and when

5:09 Speaker 2: you're a kid, like you pull everything back just like, oh,

5:13 Speaker 2: nobody needs, nobody needs to see this, nobody needs to

5:16 Speaker 2: like nobody can, nobody can nobody can know that this

5:19 Speaker 2: is going on or whatever. But uh so there's only

5:23 Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's like full on clearvoyance.

5:25 Speaker 2: I'm still learning all this stuff and.

5:28 Speaker 1: You know, like navigating.

5:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting. I'm having a really good time

5:33 Speaker 2: with it. But uh it's there's a lot. Yeah, there's

5:37 Speaker 2: a lot of.

5:38 Speaker 1: So Okay, so you were looking for structure. You went

5:40 Speaker 1: into the military, you did that, you come out, you

5:44 Speaker 1: end up in the film industry. You talk about I mean,

5:50 Speaker 1: let's just go back to it. When when was when

5:52 Speaker 1: did you know from like a young age that you

5:55 Speaker 1: were different? But you say you talked about pulling it back.

6:00 Speaker 1: I know.

6:00 Speaker 2: I mean, you don't nobody knows that you're different until

6:04 Speaker 2: somebody tells you no, right, Yeah, so I got told

6:07 Speaker 2: know a lot, right, And that's when you know you

6:10 Speaker 2: realize like, oh, okay, not everyone sees but everybody sees this.

6:14 Speaker 2: Not everybody's doing this. Maybe it is in my head.

6:16 Speaker 2: Maybe I am like kind of yeah, I'm on one

6:20 Speaker 2: side or the other. Maybe I'm looney tune, or maybe

6:22 Speaker 2: it's you know, something else.

6:24 Speaker 1: But so maybe just can you describe, like what maybe

6:29 Speaker 1: your first memory of something weird, happy like or extraordinary,

6:32 Speaker 1: Have your first maybe memory that you can recall of

6:37 Speaker 1: it happening where you were like, oh my god, this

6:41 Speaker 1: is something.

6:43 Speaker 2: Uh. I think the first time I was able to

6:51 Speaker 2: still sorry, be still in Watch without fear or yeah,

7:01 Speaker 2: any of those dreads or anything. I just kind of

7:05 Speaker 2: was out like doing some yard work guys living you know,

7:08 Speaker 2: I can't remember where I was living at the time,

7:10 Speaker 2: but I just saw this like figure and it it

7:17 Speaker 2: it was like you know, uh, you know, you're just

7:20 Speaker 2: kind of perceive it just showed yourself, like just some

7:25 Speaker 2: man energy just kind of there like, oh, it's like

7:28 Speaker 2: that this is really interesting. I'm not scared. I feel

7:33 Speaker 2: like they're just watching me, watch them, and I'm not

7:37 Speaker 2: really sure what's going on. So yeah, this has been

7:40 Speaker 2: This has kind of been a whole thing in my life.

7:43 Speaker 1: I just like, and you could tell it was masculine

7:46 Speaker 1: and they like inherently I.

7:49 Speaker 2: Mean, I don't know, I don't know if you know,

7:53 Speaker 2: is that part of my imagination.

7:55 Speaker 1: Or filling in like.

7:56 Speaker 2: Fel like I feel that what I felt as it

8:00 Speaker 2: felt that, you know, kind of presence of a human

8:05 Speaker 2: and it's like person standing there watching and kind of

8:09 Speaker 2: just observing. It wasn't really and I think, you know,

8:15 Speaker 2: I guess it would kind of take both sides of it,

8:17 Speaker 2: from spirit side of like they would have to show

8:21 Speaker 2: themselves as well.

8:22 Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, I don't know how it works.

8:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I've just been kind of getting back into it.

8:30 Speaker 1: And I think certain people. I think certain people have

8:33 Speaker 1: like this innate ability that they've either always had or

8:39 Speaker 1: unlocked through you know, whatever means. And here's one thing

8:47 Speaker 1: I guess I'll ask you to give you a lead.

8:50 Speaker 1: Do you think that everyone has these abilities, but maybe

8:55 Speaker 1: others like like suppress them or do you think it

8:58 Speaker 1: is a special thing.

9:00 Speaker 2: No, I do think. I think nothing in this world

9:04 Speaker 2: is impossible. Okay the time we live in right now,

9:08 Speaker 2: nothing is impossible, absolutely nothing. I think people are disconnected

9:16 Speaker 2: from themselves. I think people uh don't don't know, like myself.

9:23 Speaker 2: It's a I'm playing with it, I'm learning about it.

9:27 Speaker 2: I'm diving and you kind of go into you know,

9:33 Speaker 2: different things online and talk. If you can talk to people,

9:36 Speaker 2: you can't talk to people. People get weirded out and

9:40 Speaker 2: it's something would be creeped out and freaked out about.

9:43 Speaker 2: Like it's like the UFOs and aliens. You know, I agree,

9:49 Speaker 2: come on everybody.

9:50 Speaker 1: So you know, when you talk about these things these

10:00 Speaker 1: how do how do you think that it happens? I mean,

10:03 Speaker 1: do you think that there's I mean there are scientists

10:05 Speaker 1: who talk about, uh, the many worlds, like in like

10:09 Speaker 1: many worlds. So do you think that potentially what we've

10:14 Speaker 1: labeled as ghosts or spirits or this or or God's

10:21 Speaker 1: angels demons? Do you think that these may all be

10:24 Speaker 1: kind of like mistranslated and uh we're dealing with like

10:29 Speaker 1: the Saint it's not. I mean, it could be one

10:32 Speaker 1: or all of the above, but I tend to think

10:35 Speaker 1: that it's not just as simple as it's a ghost.

10:38 Speaker 1: I feel like there's so much more like complexity to it,

10:41 Speaker 1: like interdimensional.

10:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. I would love to say like I haven't thought

10:45 Speaker 2: about that, but no, I've thought about that a lot.

10:50 Speaker 1: What do you what do you think consciousness is.

10:54 Speaker 2: Consciousness?

10:57 Speaker 1: Because there's something that makes you and me.

11:02 Speaker 2: I think I think consciousness is kind of the root

11:05 Speaker 2: of all of it.

11:08 Speaker 1: You know, I've related it to you can like you

11:14 Speaker 1: have a radio, right, like a receiver or boombox, and

11:19 Speaker 1: you you know, turn it to ninety four point five.

11:23 Speaker 1: I could smash that boom box, but the signal is

11:26 Speaker 1: still coming. That's consciousness. The body is just a physical

11:29 Speaker 1: receiver of it, right, And I think the universe may

11:33 Speaker 1: be reaching out with all the different signals. Right. You're

11:37 Speaker 1: one of two point five, she's one of two point eight, right,

11:41 Speaker 1: and we're all like sometimes we entangle, right, but we

11:44 Speaker 1: do occupy and we are reporting back to the same thing. R.

11:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's all pretty connected, man. That's how I feel.

11:52 Speaker 2: I feel believed that, you know.

11:57 Speaker 1: Do you believe in oh no, I won't even say believe.

12:02 Speaker 1: Are we alone in the universe? Is humanity? Is it? Is?

12:08 Speaker 2: That?

12:08 Speaker 1: It? No, you think there's like life beyond earth. That's

12:14 Speaker 1: a good start.

12:15 Speaker 2: Now, it's I feel like the world is it's just

12:27 Speaker 2: this place that we get to come and create our spirit,

12:31 Speaker 2: our soul, are our you know, create, make something, expand

12:38 Speaker 2: this universe, expand the you know, make it fun. Yeah,

12:44 Speaker 2: I think that's silly.

12:45 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people forget that what their

12:47 Speaker 1: purpose is. It's not to work like nine to five.

12:51 Speaker 2: No, I think there's I think I think a lot

12:54 Speaker 2: of people. I think a lot of people. Are you Yeah,

13:01 Speaker 2: kind of stuck in that.

13:02 Speaker 1: You must become a non player character by default when

13:09 Speaker 1: you fall into the pattern of doing the same thing

13:14 Speaker 1: over and over and over again and not challenging your

13:18 Speaker 1: mind because people often I mean, you'll go to the gym,

13:22 Speaker 1: you'll work out that muscle, right, but they don't. They

13:26 Speaker 1: don't work on you.

13:28 Speaker 2: Got to work on all of it clean living like

13:31 Speaker 2: you know, well.

13:34 Speaker 1: You you came in here. I was having an issue

13:40 Speaker 1: and the parent the paranormal in general, I have a

13:45 Speaker 1: have a really big It's not that of a hard

13:47 Speaker 1: time with it. It's like I am much more skeptical.

13:52 Speaker 1: I am much like it has to be without a

13:56 Speaker 1: shadow of a doubt. Right with you, I've seen one.

14:01 Speaker 1: I know they exist. I have that confirmation moment where

14:06 Speaker 1: my life was like before it was after. Right, So

14:09 Speaker 1: I've had that experience where I've determined it's what it is.

14:15 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's why it's unknown unidentified. Uh, that's

14:20 Speaker 1: why I don't like the word alien or anything like that.

14:23 Speaker 1: I think, first off, it has negative connotation.

14:26 Speaker 2: Just reparently. I also think, yeah, we do all these

14:28 Speaker 2: labels and stuff. It's kind of love labels. It's oh man,

14:34 Speaker 2: that's kind of label it. And then also that this

14:37 Speaker 2: this thing happens you say alien, somebody gets triggered, and

14:43 Speaker 2: then you think they're making fun of them, like oh like.

14:48 Speaker 1: There's also there's also people that think and actually, so

14:51 Speaker 1: I've confirmed this as well with speaking to people in

14:55 Speaker 1: our government, there are some people that when I when

15:00 Speaker 1: when aliens are spoken about, they think what we're actually

15:04 Speaker 1: dealing with is demons and that were invoking the demonic

15:10 Speaker 1: and that we shouldn't be doing that. And they make

15:13 Speaker 1: good cases, but it's like you're starting like are you

15:15 Speaker 1: religious at all? We raised any I was so, yeah,

15:20 Speaker 1: what were you raised as?

15:21 Speaker 2: I was raised in the whatever church we were getting

15:25 Speaker 2: into on that Sunday when something yeah, when somebody wasn't

15:29 Speaker 2: feeling well okay, yeah yeah. It was like you know,

15:34 Speaker 2: a lot of Southern Baptists and kind of holy roller.

15:36 Speaker 2: And I went to like every church I went. I

15:39 Speaker 2: went to every church all the time.

15:41 Speaker 1: Did you ever feel anything in there.

15:43 Speaker 2: All the time?

15:44 Speaker 1: Yeah?

15:44 Speaker 2: I went. I went through all of it. I had

15:46 Speaker 2: so many you know, I had these emotional things and

15:50 Speaker 2: epiphanies and feelings and this and that. But every word

15:54 Speaker 2: that I heard was just like this, this is wrong.

15:57 Speaker 2: You're you're not saying it right. There's something than something

16:01 Speaker 2: that you're saying that's not right, and I have to

16:04 Speaker 2: go find that and I did that. Lie.

16:08 Speaker 1: I do you think what wasn't right was the actual

16:12 Speaker 1: verses of the Bible, Like that wasn't the right part?

16:16 Speaker 1: Or was it the way they were saying it wasn't right.

16:19 Speaker 2: It's the way they're saying I mean, kind of both

16:23 Speaker 2: written by men men.

16:24 Speaker 1: It's flawed, right, the.

16:28 Speaker 2: Things that happen, I don't know how well, That's why.

16:32 Speaker 1: I was hoping you would go because you're right. If

16:36 Speaker 1: we've learned anything, I think it's clearly that evil is real.

16:40 Speaker 1: And when you when you let something like the Council,

16:44 Speaker 1: because the Book of Enoch got left out. It's in

16:47 Speaker 1: the Ethiopian Bible, but it's not in this Bible. And

16:52 Speaker 1: no matter what ancient civilization you're talking about, they do

16:57 Speaker 1: all have these tendencies to talk about the same thing. Right,

17:02 Speaker 1: These beings that descended from the sky showed them agriculture, mathematics, astronomy,

17:09 Speaker 1: civilization rights, and they then there was a flood, and

17:14 Speaker 1: they all talk about that flood. And it's like, I'm

17:18 Speaker 1: okay with not throwing the baby out with the bathwater

17:22 Speaker 1: when it comes to any of these ancient texts, because

17:24 Speaker 1: I think if we I think everyone is a little

17:26 Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle. Right, So when we look at yeah,

17:31 Speaker 1: when we step back and we say, okay, what there

17:35 Speaker 1: was definitely a flood, and then the geological record also

17:38 Speaker 1: says there's a flood, I think we can say there

17:41 Speaker 1: was a fucking flood exactly, and it was that. So

17:48 Speaker 1: it's that that's semantics. Another thing almost every ancient text

17:54 Speaker 1: says in regards to like the religion is that these

17:58 Speaker 1: beings descended from the sky to them, that's God. To us,

18:03 Speaker 1: that's something different. That's alien or quote unquote non human intelligence.

18:09 Speaker 1: But again by definition, an angel or demon is non

18:13 Speaker 1: human intelligence. It's extra terrestrial.

18:16 Speaker 2: Right. I think evil is in a different way. I

18:22 Speaker 2: think evil is more kind of It plays on our

18:24 Speaker 2: fears more than anything else. It's it's like a constant

18:31 Speaker 2: if you don't do this, do that. And that starts

18:34 Speaker 2: with the permanent record that we had all had in

18:37 Speaker 2: grade school. Your permanent record, it's going to stay there.

18:39 Speaker 2: Where is yours?

18:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's somebuddy that you bring that up. You know

18:43 Speaker 1: someone who was telling me the other day that the

18:45 Speaker 1: idea of school was actually something that was created to

18:51 Speaker 1: separate children because what was happening was when you became

18:58 Speaker 1: of military age, people were going into the military, but

19:01 Speaker 1: they weren't pulling the trick or they were purposely missing.

19:04 Speaker 1: It's because they didn't want to kill someone. But then

19:07 Speaker 1: they decided we need to take them away from their

19:09 Speaker 1: parents sooner. So that and then they brought them to school,

19:14 Speaker 1: and that's where pretty so and it's back to the

19:17 Speaker 1: Nazi party. Kindergarten. It's it's literally it's it's a it's

19:23 Speaker 1: a German. It was a German psychological way of taking

19:29 Speaker 1: a kid and separating them from their parents at an

19:33 Speaker 1: early age, early enough where the next generation who fought

19:37 Speaker 1: in World War Two they didn't miss because they were ruthless.

19:41 Speaker 1: They just didn't have that same empathy in their head.

19:46 Speaker 2: As if I just think about it, not really, you know,

19:49 Speaker 2: doing research, Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

19:51 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you ever heard of month doc like the

19:56 Speaker 1: what Stranger Things is based on. So it's essentially it's

19:59 Speaker 1: it's really kind of land.

20:00 Speaker 2: But I like pulp culture very I work in movies,

20:05 Speaker 2: like making movies as an electrician and stuff. I work

20:09 Speaker 2: on movies so much, and I'm so busy all the time.

20:12 Speaker 2: I don't have time to watch most of the times.

20:13 Speaker 2: It's really embarrassing. It's sad, but I get everyone. So

20:17 Speaker 2: I have seen Stranger Things. I really loved it, and

20:19 Speaker 2: I got to work with some of the some of

20:21 Speaker 2: the crew that worked on last season. They were a

20:22 Speaker 2: lot of fun. It was a great time. Yeah, it

20:25 Speaker 2: was a good time.

20:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, but on a different project, on.

20:29 Speaker 2: A different project. That's kind of how it's all based.

20:31 Speaker 2: It's like we were freelance contractors that you like, crew up. Yeah,

20:37 Speaker 2: it's like he got we got this guy. He wants

20:40 Speaker 2: to make this. Well, you know, crew up and go

20:42 Speaker 2: do that and then on to the next one. Sorry

20:44 Speaker 2: about that, you're good?

20:45 Speaker 1: Well that's that. Yeah, it's a they're very talented, a

20:48 Speaker 1: very very talented team with you know. Again, I give

20:53 Speaker 1: so many, so much props to the world because a

20:58 Speaker 1: lot of something you'll hear often with people that don't

21:01 Speaker 1: make movies or don't know the industry is this this

21:05 Speaker 1: CGI versus practical thing. It's like they don't understand what

21:09 Speaker 1: actually goes into Like it's like what you don't want

21:12 Speaker 1: is bad CGI. Right, that's what they don't want to say.

21:15 Speaker 2: Stuff.

21:17 Speaker 1: But when when done properly and it can hold the

21:20 Speaker 1: test of time, like the Transformers movies. For some reason,

21:23 Speaker 1: why does that Why did Iron Man in two thousand

21:26 Speaker 1: and eight, Why does that look better than modern Marvel movies.

21:30 Speaker 1: It's because the care was put in to the actual

21:33 Speaker 1: CGI and they were shooting things practically, and they were

21:36 Speaker 1: informed in their intent to make the CG models. They

21:41 Speaker 1: there's a lot of work that goes into movie making

21:43 Speaker 1: that I think people don't even they don't see and

21:47 Speaker 1: they don't understand.

21:48 Speaker 2: For every one person that's in front of the camera,

21:50 Speaker 2: there's probably like thirty or forty behind.

21:52 Speaker 1: It, sometimes more on. Yeah, yeah, that's a general ratio. Yeah,

21:58 Speaker 1: so what you do is truly az.

22:00 Speaker 2: So we have a lot of like filmmaking community, we

22:03 Speaker 2: have a lot of fun. It's almost like it's it's like,

22:08 Speaker 2: so somebody told me that they said years ago, they

22:12 Speaker 2: were like they were trying to explain what the film

22:14 Speaker 2: industry was to like their girlfriend or something. It's like, well,

22:17 Speaker 2: the film industry is. It's like the circus in the

22:20 Speaker 2: army had a baby.

22:21 Speaker 1: There you go, and of.

22:22 Speaker 2: Course he turns around. It's like, oh, that's Dave Taylor.

22:27 Speaker 1: Literally was in both and that's hilarious. It's very true.

22:31 Speaker 2: Clown parents. So I usually don't lead off with that

22:34 Speaker 2: on the first date.

22:35 Speaker 1: But wait what yeah, you know.

22:41 Speaker 2: Way my parents they met in like a traveling, small

22:46 Speaker 2: mom and pop family circus. Yeah, my dad would do

22:49 Speaker 2: anything that they'd pay him to do, and my mom

22:52 Speaker 2: was like really serious about her clowning. Really very silly people.

22:58 Speaker 1: So you weren't, were you ever not not afraid of clowns? Then? No, no, no,

23:02 Speaker 1: you saw behind the makeup early it's.

23:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you live in it, Yeah, and you're kind

23:08 Speaker 2: of around the Yeah, they I mean they were well

23:11 Speaker 2: out of out of circuit, like they go do some

23:13 Speaker 2: reunion weekend shows or something like that, or where they

23:15 Speaker 2: had big, big parties with you know, they'd all get

23:18 Speaker 2: back together once are the funerals, and then we just

23:22 Speaker 2: remember like sometimes like walking across a like a basement

23:26 Speaker 2: floor and it was like landminded people and it's like,

23:29 Speaker 2: oh circus.

23:31 Speaker 1: So that's that's and that's through the South as well.

23:37 Speaker 1: Like where did you actually grow up? Where were you born?

23:39 Speaker 2: Born and raised in Charleston, West Virginia.

23:41 Speaker 1: Okay, and then you came up here because of the

23:43 Speaker 1: industry or because of the military.

23:46 Speaker 2: It's hard to tell anymore nowadays. Yeah, but no, so I.

23:50 Speaker 1: Boston is good for the movie industry now.

23:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh Boston's great. So I left West Virginia after

24:00 Speaker 2: military deployment all that stuff, and I got myself to

24:04 Speaker 2: San Francisco. That's where I started in the industry. Worked

24:06 Speaker 2: out there five six years, I can't really time, got

24:12 Speaker 2: myself to East Coast, did another little bit in West Virginia,

24:18 Speaker 2: and then just kind of went up and down the

24:19 Speaker 2: East Coast and was doing jobs and finding places to be,

24:24 Speaker 2: and then wound up in Connecticut for a little bit

24:26 Speaker 2: and stayed there for probably too long.

24:29 Speaker 1: Did you do you like like some some people some

24:35 Speaker 1: people like that constant move some people don't.

24:40 Speaker 2: I think I think I'm you know, down to my core,

24:44 Speaker 2: probably very nomadic just in my my way. I've really

24:49 Speaker 2: I don't think i'd say that, right. I don't feel

24:54 Speaker 2: like I've ever had like a true home, U just

25:01 Speaker 2: kind of home of the world, home of the earth.

25:03 Speaker 2: I just you know, kind of pick up and.

25:05 Speaker 1: Go like that almost where you know, Yeah, I'm sleeping,

25:09 Speaker 1: were you sleeping? Yeah? And it's such a beautiful world.

25:13 Speaker 1: I feel like people don't get to see a lot

25:15 Speaker 1: of it when you do.

25:16 Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's it's really unfortunate how much and even

25:20 Speaker 2: myself included, how much I don't really am just you

25:26 Speaker 2: still take the time to actually just sit and enjoy it,

25:29 Speaker 2: enjoy it. Look look look over there, don't look down here,

25:34 Speaker 2: look around and be connected.

25:36 Speaker 1: It's one of the worst things you've seen is people

25:39 Speaker 1: on like vacation taking pic like staring at their phones,

25:43 Speaker 1: like what do you do what are you doing?

25:47 Speaker 2: I remember one time I went to uh we were

25:51 Speaker 2: down in New Orleans with some friends and stuff, and

25:53 Speaker 2: I had a friend. He's taking a picture of every

25:55 Speaker 2: single thing and he's walking by. So I just started

25:58 Speaker 2: taking pictures of him taking pictures, and some of those

26:00 Speaker 2: pictures were even more fun than the other pictures.

26:03 Speaker 1: You like documentary, that becomes something different. I just it's

26:07 Speaker 1: almost artists.

26:08 Speaker 2: I just like having fun and things I think are funny.

26:11 Speaker 1: It's like, all right, you've traveled a lot. You ever

26:13 Speaker 1: seen a UFO?

26:14 Speaker 2: I can't say I haven't, but I haven't seen I've

26:18 Speaker 2: seen some things. I was like that, I don't know.

26:20 Speaker 1: Like what walk me through something?

26:22 Speaker 2: Okay? I okay. So during all that drone craziness and Jersey,

26:28 Speaker 2: you know, I was driving back from somewhere in through

26:31 Speaker 2: Boston and I saw like something. It was the only

26:35 Speaker 2: thing that didn't have a green flash red light, and

26:38 Speaker 2: it just its movement was like different, and I was like,

26:44 Speaker 2: what that that doing that? I don't know what that is?

26:49 Speaker 2: But hello, how are you so?

26:52 Speaker 1: Is it the light light in the sky?

26:54 Speaker 2: Yeah? I just really didn't think anything of it. It

26:57 Speaker 2: was like the way I was looking the guy was

26:59 Speaker 2: so excited about all the drones and Jersey. I was curious.

27:03 Speaker 1: Everyone was. We found out that we kind of found

27:10 Speaker 1: out that it some Most people's consensus is that it

27:15 Speaker 1: was a mix of friendly right, like friendly black budget stuff, uh,

27:23 Speaker 1: doing this kind of drill looking for because the only

27:28 Speaker 1: reason that you fly at night with a drone is

27:32 Speaker 1: like heat sensing, right thermal, So, and that's the only

27:35 Speaker 1: way you can, you know, really see with a drone.

27:38 Speaker 1: There's nothing, there's no drone that can you know, see

27:40 Speaker 1: in the dark. You need to be looking through thermal

27:43 Speaker 1: So they're used for that reason, to for heat signatures.

27:46 Speaker 1: But also there's ones that can pick up on radiation.

27:49 Speaker 1: So a lot of people concurred that they were running

27:51 Speaker 1: some sort of black training looking for a rogue New Yeah. So,

27:56 Speaker 1: and no one knows if it was a real world

27:58 Speaker 1: scenario and there was actually material or it was just

28:02 Speaker 1: war games. I was told by a member of Congress

28:08 Speaker 1: to not go to New Jersey, so I stayed, I

28:12 Speaker 1: didn't go. Yeah, end up being nothing, you know, hard

28:17 Speaker 1: to say, hard to say that He said that he

28:20 Speaker 1: thought that it was a mix of anomalous phenomena in

28:24 Speaker 1: drones at the same time though, because of the nuclear material,

28:28 Speaker 1: because there seems to be this connection between UFOs and nukes.

28:31 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but there's so

28:34 Speaker 1: many cases, even in the books that are up there

28:36 Speaker 1: I've worked. I walked a nuclear controller into Congress. His

28:40 Speaker 1: name is Bob Saalice, and he was at Mount Strom

28:43 Speaker 1: Air Force Base and there. You know, you've ever seen

28:46 Speaker 1: the movies where like a nuke, they they launched a

28:49 Speaker 1: nuke and the two key turners. He was one of

28:52 Speaker 1: those key turners. That was his real job, was down

28:56 Speaker 1: in the silo. And there a night in nineteen sixty seven,

29:03 Speaker 1: and uh, I believe it was March of nineteen sixty seven,

29:09 Speaker 1: pulsing orange light in the sky breaches the nuclear facility

29:15 Speaker 1: so Malmstrom Air Force Base and starts hovering over the

29:20 Speaker 1: launch control facility. The guards have their weapons raised and

29:24 Speaker 1: aimed at the thing, and they're calling down to Bob

29:26 Speaker 1: and they're like, we don't know what this is, YadA, YadA.

29:29 Speaker 1: He thinks they're just kidding around at first, and doesn't

29:32 Speaker 1: it's not really taking it seriously. He's like, so you're

29:34 Speaker 1: telling me there's a UFO, all right, call me back

29:35 Speaker 1: when we're actually you know, when something real happens. Click

29:39 Speaker 1: ring ringing calls right back, and now he's frantic and

29:43 Speaker 1: he's like, this thing is now over the like actual

29:48 Speaker 1: missile silo. And then as he's saying that ten nukes

29:53 Speaker 1: just go offline, click click click click click click click

29:57 Speaker 1: go into a no go. And they're an alon. They're

30:00 Speaker 1: not connected to each other, so that if one goes down,

30:03 Speaker 1: they don't all go down. These things are also separated

30:06 Speaker 1: by tens of miles, right, you don't just put one

30:09 Speaker 1: nwke and then one you know, five feet next to

30:12 Speaker 1: it and five feet. No, they're separated by miles. So

30:14 Speaker 1: there's about five or six you know missile silos and

30:19 Speaker 1: for up to ten, and they're spread throughout a twenty

30:22 Speaker 1: mile radius. And this orange light takes ten of them offline.

30:27 Speaker 1: So if the President called Malmstrom and ordered a nuclear launch,

30:31 Speaker 1: the answer was, I can't for a full day. So

30:37 Speaker 1: and that is only one case. I can tell you

30:41 Speaker 1: ten more of the same exact Ellsworth Air Force based

30:45 Speaker 1: North Dakota, Mario Woods Security MP, So he's MP for

30:50 Speaker 1: Military Police and Security for the launch launch control facility.

30:55 Speaker 1: So he same thing happens Ellsworth Air Force Base, Main

31:01 Speaker 1: Mine Not Air Force Base h Vandenberg Air Force Base Langley,

31:12 Speaker 1: All of them have had Almost every nuclear facility has

31:16 Speaker 1: been has had a UFO or some sort of anomalous

31:20 Speaker 1: phenomena at one point or another. Why are they attracted?

31:25 Speaker 1: And Roswell. Roswell was the only at the time in

31:30 Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven was the only place with a nuclear

31:35 Speaker 1: equipped combat battalion that was the fifty ninth bomb Atomic Squadron.

31:42 Speaker 1: They were the only ones in the world with atomic

31:45 Speaker 1: technology and a UFO crashes. What's going on? What's what's

31:49 Speaker 1: the correlation? What do you think it is?

31:53 Speaker 2: Man?

31:54 Speaker 1: I don't think And Trinity, Trinity the first test three

31:59 Speaker 1: days after they exploded the first nuclear bomb. When Oppenheimer

32:02 Speaker 1: in Trinity exploded the first bomb. Three days later, UFO

32:10 Speaker 1: crashed in that same area. Jack Valet wrote about it

32:15 Speaker 1: called the book called Trinity. So I think that we

32:19 Speaker 1: are doing damage, potentially much more damage than we think

32:24 Speaker 1: with this with these bombs.

32:26 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and but.

32:29 Speaker 1: Maybe in a different dimension. And and that's why the

32:33 Speaker 1: increase in sightings have began when the atomic bomb went off,

32:37 Speaker 1: because they're coming here and saying the apes have thermonukes.

32:41 Speaker 1: Now we got to check in on this.

32:43 Speaker 2: Why, like, as you said that, just like sunk in that. Yeah,

32:47 Speaker 2: that's okay. I'm all like, it's I constantly live in

32:53 Speaker 2: this world. Nothing is impossible. So I let myself play

32:57 Speaker 2: with that idea, that thought that, you know, and let

33:00 Speaker 2: it like sink in a little bit. Yeah, it's not

33:03 Speaker 2: going to shake me in my grounds of who I am.

33:06 Speaker 1: And if the president came out tomorrow onto the podium,

33:11 Speaker 1: and I know, given our current president, it would definitely

33:13 Speaker 1: sound odd him saying it. But if the president came out,

33:18 Speaker 1: let's just say like he was, like, you know, did

33:20 Speaker 1: the did the classic my fellow Americans, people of the world.

33:25 Speaker 1: We are not alone and here's the evidence. Right, would

33:29 Speaker 1: that change anything in your life?

33:31 Speaker 2: Be like yeah, about time? You.

33:35 Speaker 1: I think most people feel that way. So why do

33:39 Speaker 1: we need it? Why do you think we need it?

33:43 Speaker 1: People need that? No, they they need people need it. Yeah,

33:49 Speaker 1: I don't.

33:50 Speaker 2: The system needs to have that, not have them not

33:54 Speaker 2: be you know, uh, we.

33:57 Speaker 1: Give them the right to classify reality.

34:00 Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't do it.

34:02 Speaker 1: It's crazy to me. And I think the first cover

34:04 Speaker 1: up began with the church because before governments. Who is

34:09 Speaker 1: the judge, jury, and executioner. It was the church, And

34:12 Speaker 1: what if the church found out that the world is

34:15 Speaker 1: in black and white and aliens don't fit into their

34:18 Speaker 1: agenda and they need to get that out of people's minds.

34:22 Speaker 1: I don't know, It's something I ponder though. Yeah, you

34:24 Speaker 1: don't think if the president came out though, would collapse society?

34:27 Speaker 1: Do you think the world's ready for that? That discussion?

34:30 Speaker 2: I think we're way past. Is like, are we ready

34:33 Speaker 2: for the discussion? We're way past that. There were way

34:35 Speaker 2: past a lot of things in this life, like preach,

34:42 Speaker 2: it's we get so sucked up into our fear of everything.

34:48 Speaker 2: We're afraid to do anything, afraid to afraid of love,

34:52 Speaker 2: afraid to laugh, afraid to just be who you are. Like, man,

34:57 Speaker 2: everybody calm down. Let's just chill out some music and

35:01 Speaker 2: you know, relax and have a nice day.

35:03 Speaker 1: You practice like meditation?

35:04 Speaker 2: You said, right, Yes, I've I've really gotten into meditation

35:08 Speaker 2: quite quite a bit over the last few years. It

35:12 Speaker 2: was kind of after you know, giving up alcohol and

35:16 Speaker 2: kind of starting to clean living and you know, getting older. Yeah,

35:19 Speaker 2: body hurts a little bit, so gotta you know, I

35:23 Speaker 2: also back into it.

35:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, I also stopped drinking, and I think it's made

35:28 Speaker 1: me so much more. So. Have you ever had like

35:30 Speaker 1: an out of body experience or like like a d MT,

35:33 Speaker 1: like like gone to another.

35:35 Speaker 2: Realm like through through meditation?

35:38 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, like astral projection. Right,

35:41 Speaker 1: So what does that feel.

35:42 Speaker 2: Like right now? Which is because I'm still you know,

35:46 Speaker 2: getting fresh into it and doing my work to my

35:50 Speaker 2: practice right now, I'm still a little kind of cloudier

35:55 Speaker 2: in the visual world or sense of it, I get

35:58 Speaker 2: a lot more Sorry, take that back.

36:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't worry. Slow it though. So meditation, astral projection,

36:09 Speaker 1: you get a little bit more of the visual like

36:11 Speaker 1: you're still in reality again.

36:13 Speaker 2: It's like it's like you get the family member that

36:19 Speaker 2: visits you, but you just kind of like you can

36:22 Speaker 2: just tell that it's like, hey.

36:26 Speaker 1: How's it going that it's them.

36:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just kind of like there in your spot

36:30 Speaker 2: and just you know, you can choose to engage or not.

36:35 Speaker 2: And I don't know, it's kind of just interesting. It's

36:38 Speaker 2: been fun.

36:39 Speaker 1: You told me.

36:43 Speaker 2: Let's get worried when people say you told me.

36:45 Speaker 1: You told me that the apartment that you lived in

36:51 Speaker 1: that the same one that's attached to the house that

36:53 Speaker 1: I live in currently. That it seemed to be this

36:59 Speaker 1: train stop like for metaphor of course, this this crossing.

37:07 Speaker 1: Can you explain what you meant by that?

37:10 Speaker 2: So when I first moved into that, uh, that apartment,

37:14 Speaker 2: it always felt like there were a handful of like

37:19 Speaker 2: or not a handful, like maybe a couple of people,

37:22 Speaker 2: like a couple of presences sitting in one room. That's

37:27 Speaker 2: not a very big apartment. It's the room there, room there,

37:29 Speaker 2: and it's really small. But when you were over here

37:33 Speaker 2: in the kitchen, like you could feel or sense like

37:38 Speaker 2: movement or energy or just like emotion, not emotion, you know,

37:45 Speaker 2: motion motion. So and then when if you were in

37:49 Speaker 2: that room, it would be more through the hallway and

37:52 Speaker 2: through the bathroom. It's just kind of constantly kept feeling

37:57 Speaker 2: how you call.

37:58 Speaker 1: It, Yeah, it was.

38:00 Speaker 2: It was so transient to me. Every piece of it

38:04 Speaker 2: was just transient, and it felt the only thing I

38:06 Speaker 2: could think of it was like a train station. There's

38:09 Speaker 2: like coming out of the bathroom and going into the

38:11 Speaker 2: bedroom or going back the other way. It just felt

38:15 Speaker 2: like that. And there's so much constant, constant, constant things

38:18 Speaker 2: I would always see something like in the you know,

38:22 Speaker 2: going moving around and back and forth.

38:24 Speaker 1: And I say this because I've had similar up here.

38:28 Speaker 1: Yeah here, right up here. I told you the story

38:32 Speaker 1: where I was right there editing and I had a

38:35 Speaker 1: live feed of myself and then the edit the footage

38:38 Speaker 1: of myself, and I didn't know which one I was

38:42 Speaker 1: looking at at the time, the footage or the live feed.

38:46 Speaker 1: And that door just swings open and it's it's closed

38:50 Speaker 1: it as it is right now, and it just swings

38:52 Speaker 1: open and it's not like a it's violent and it

38:56 Speaker 1: goes right to like an you know yeah. And I'm

39:01 Speaker 1: sit there for a second, and then I remember telling

39:03 Speaker 1: her about it was on the live feet unfortunately not

39:06 Speaker 1: the recording. I wish it was on the recording. But

39:09 Speaker 1: I look behind me and I go ooh, and I

39:12 Speaker 1: come up and I go to the door. I look

39:15 Speaker 1: down the garage is is the winter. The garage is closed.

39:18 Speaker 1: The door down there is closed, because sometimes that one

39:20 Speaker 1: will flip open to so I was like maybe a draft.

39:23 Speaker 1: That was my rational brain is going draft, every window shut,

39:28 Speaker 1: every door shut. Nothing could have done that aside my brain.

39:33 Speaker 1: I couldn't process it. It freaked me out, man, because

39:36 Speaker 1: again the paranormal, it's like I can get my head

39:39 Speaker 1: around you of foes. That shit, I can't get my

39:43 Speaker 1: head around because it's like occupying the same space as me.

39:47 Speaker 1: But I can't see it, I can feel it. So

39:52 Speaker 1: check this out. I've lived on the first floor for

39:55 Speaker 1: the past ten years, like through multiple apartments. I've always

40:00 Speaker 1: like in my summer apartment, I was on the ground floor,

40:03 Speaker 1: like underground floor, and I could hear everyone above me

40:06 Speaker 1: framing him. Where I lived after that, I was in

40:09 Speaker 1: a first floor apartment. We and we had so little

40:14 Speaker 1: kids upstairs running all it was terrible. But but they yeah,

40:21 Speaker 1: but there was like eighteen of them in there, so

40:24 Speaker 1: it was like you know it, it was terrible, but

40:27 Speaker 1: it was like eight in the morning. It would start

40:29 Speaker 1: on Saturday, and like you was just like I want

40:31 Speaker 1: to sleep, but mind you whatever. So then we come

40:34 Speaker 1: here and I have Chuck above me and it's he

40:37 Speaker 1: They're they're great, but I but I can hear them

40:39 Speaker 1: above me sometimes right, and they have a cat scurries across.

40:43 Speaker 1: So all this to say, I didn't realize that I

40:51 Speaker 1: was hearing footsteps above me up here, but it wasn't

40:56 Speaker 1: registering with me because I was so used to it.

41:01 Speaker 1: As soon as that clicked, Dave, my body went old

41:08 Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh my god, it's not even just

41:11 Speaker 1: scurrying like some squirrels up there. I'm talking foots walks

41:15 Speaker 1: across the whole thing.

41:16 Speaker 2: And then you you.

41:19 Speaker 1: And then we had the dog freak out on camera.

41:22 Speaker 1: And this all happened in succession, like within a month

41:26 Speaker 1: or two. Yeah, you came in and that's when I

41:31 Speaker 1: found out that you had this, Like, yeah, I just went.

41:34 Speaker 2: Down dirty with I was feeling I was feeling it.

41:36 Speaker 2: I was feeling very connected and very ready for it.

41:38 Speaker 2: So I was like, let's do it.

41:39 Speaker 1: So you came up and you were actually moving out

41:41 Speaker 1: that day. Yeah, and I told you the day after

41:46 Speaker 1: you did it, I came in because we were filming

41:49 Speaker 1: a documentary that day and it felt brighter in here,

41:53 Speaker 1: and ever since it's been light. So that's what sparked

41:58 Speaker 1: me to want to have this discussion. Went to you

42:00 Speaker 1: is like clearly there's like not many people have like

42:04 Speaker 1: maybe step back and go, oh, what was that? So

42:08 Speaker 1: it's like I'll ask what was that?

42:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I didn't know what it was, but I

42:14 Speaker 2: felt it immediately, and it was definitely trying to do

42:16 Speaker 2: some like intimidation of some sort.

42:18 Speaker 1: Do you think that that's maybe where we get the

42:20 Speaker 1: idea of like like our ancestors called devil like or

42:25 Speaker 1: demons or tricksters like you know, Norse mythology and Loki like.

42:30 Speaker 1: It's it wasn't maybe malevolent, but it was brickster and ship.

42:35 Speaker 2: Twist trick you you know that's the gens that's.

42:39 Speaker 1: Gin Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's funny that they bring that

42:42 Speaker 1: up because in that same culture that they have the

42:44 Speaker 1: vmona yeah, which is a flying flying craft right that

42:49 Speaker 1: the gods, the gods flew and vermanas this craft that

42:53 Speaker 1: had no visible propulsion. It was an aircraft before in

42:57 Speaker 1: ancient cultures, makes they had no right of reference or

43:01 Speaker 1: anything like that. What's going on? So that's the stuff.

43:05 Speaker 1: I find it super interesting.

43:09 Speaker 2: So I did this thing. That's so much fun with it.

43:12 Speaker 2: I did a few times. I get to like not

43:16 Speaker 2: you know, be surrounded by people or anything else, to

43:20 Speaker 2: turn on a couple of those you know, the age

43:24 Speaker 2: aliens all those things and just like just let my

43:26 Speaker 2: brain go take the biggest thing go with it. Yeah,

43:29 Speaker 2: that realizing, like who these story stories for a reason.

43:34 Speaker 2: There's there's part of the who whoa whoa? This is

43:37 Speaker 2: all in plain sight, what whoa?

43:39 Speaker 1: And that's one of the things about Ancient Aliens. Of

43:41 Speaker 1: course it's a TV show. Of course they've had the

43:47 Speaker 1: make seventeen seasons, right, they had to stretch that content out.

43:52 Speaker 2: I've worked on paranormal TV shows too.

43:55 Speaker 1: And it's and you get it.

43:58 Speaker 2: Any anything we like, uh, there's always going to be

44:03 Speaker 2: a little bit of hollooranization. Now just put it like

44:10 Speaker 2: this way. The things I saw on like a couple

44:13 Speaker 2: of different the paranormal ones, the only thing they would

44:18 Speaker 2: like set or like would be if somebody brought something

44:23 Speaker 2: in or you know, something special they had a special

44:26 Speaker 2: thing to show or to do for something.

44:29 Speaker 1: Like a red or a SLS.

44:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, oh, we're gonna think, oh, guys, we got

44:34 Speaker 2: to come back, we got every set, we got to

44:35 Speaker 2: do this. Okay, let's let's go through it again. But

44:39 Speaker 2: some of them, it's some of them like that are

44:42 Speaker 2: out there by themselves and doing that stuff. Those guys. Yeah,

44:45 Speaker 2: it's it's what you see.

44:48 Speaker 1: Yeah. Unfortunately, I've seen the other side of it where

44:53 Speaker 1: they try to fake it, and it's like, yeah, I

44:55 Speaker 1: was filming documentary and I want I'm not gonna yeah,

45:00 Speaker 1: but they tried to get me to lean into something

45:03 Speaker 1: and I just like turned around. I was like no,

45:06 Speaker 1: like absolutely not, and I was like and that at

45:10 Speaker 1: that moment, that's when I scrapped the In my head.

45:12 Speaker 1: I didn't know it at the time, but in my head,

45:15 Speaker 1: that moment ended that documentary at in that current format,

45:20 Speaker 1: in that current rendition. The documentary ended there because I

45:26 Speaker 1: never put it out. I never I tried to like

45:29 Speaker 1: get over it and like see if I could, but

45:32 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to literally start from bottom up on

45:36 Speaker 1: that because in my mind it's now tainted the whole thing. Yeah,

45:42 Speaker 1: this is what I lesson. That lesson I learned, right,

45:45 Speaker 1: But I grew up next to a haunted road. Right.

45:50 Speaker 1: I could show you some ship in the woods that

45:53 Speaker 1: should not exist. She's been there. There's like an altar

45:57 Speaker 1: in the woods that you just can't explain, Like I

46:01 Speaker 1: can't explain it, and no one's been ever able to

46:04 Speaker 1: explain it to me, like an alter in the woods.

46:06 Speaker 1: And then not to mention in those same woods. There's

46:09 Speaker 1: other things too. There's structures out there, like structures that

46:13 Speaker 1: I just don't I can't wrap my head around. And

46:16 Speaker 1: you know, it'd be nice to bring someone out like

46:18 Speaker 1: you who's more in tune with that world. Would you go?

46:23 Speaker 1: Would I want to make because in lieu of the documentary,

46:27 Speaker 1: I'm going to put that on hold for a while,

46:28 Speaker 1: but I want to make a YouTube video and I

46:31 Speaker 1: want to go to these places and bring someone with

46:35 Speaker 1: me and just go there, recount the legend, show some

46:40 Speaker 1: stuff and like do do it the way I want

46:42 Speaker 1: to do it.

46:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds so cool. Yeah, I would love to

46:46 Speaker 2: do stuff like that, like doing some of those shows,

46:49 Speaker 2: you know, and working in entertainment and stuff. I love

46:52 Speaker 2: getting into that.

46:53 Speaker 1: But but you also know how to like work the equipment.

46:57 Speaker 2: Good to have you, but no, and for really, uh,

47:01 Speaker 2: like there's certain places that I've hiked around here. I've

47:04 Speaker 2: been all over the woods out here.

47:05 Speaker 1: I know you guys, You and Hillary fucking walk your

47:08 Speaker 1: dogs amazingly. You guys walk so much. Every time I'm

47:12 Speaker 1: working at home, I would see you guys walk by

47:15 Speaker 1: like four times a day, and I'm just like, I'm

47:17 Speaker 1: so jealous.

47:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good, Like have a dog enjoyed. Dogs

47:23 Speaker 2: are great. They're wonderful like that because they forced you

47:25 Speaker 2: to go outside. They forced you to do things. Now,

47:28 Speaker 2: one thing like don't run, rush out and get a

47:30 Speaker 2: talk hold on.

47:31 Speaker 1: Yeah.

47:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's Christmas do a lot, especially, a lot, a

47:37 Speaker 2: lot of responsibility. It's a it's a you know, a

47:40 Speaker 2: little little beam.

47:41 Speaker 1: It's like a kid. Yeah, but it saved my life.

47:44 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's he was there when my mom died.

47:47 Speaker 1: And it was like he knew, he knew before I

47:49 Speaker 1: knew that that was going to be the day. Because

47:53 Speaker 1: so I was on a show. I was doing a

47:56 Speaker 1: show actually, and uh, I got the call. I'm doing

48:01 Speaker 1: a show. So my phones like this. I usually unless

48:04 Speaker 1: i'm reading a note like like I have here, I'll

48:08 Speaker 1: just show you like I have notes freet like questions

48:10 Speaker 1: I might ask you to, you know, unless I'm reading

48:13 Speaker 1: something off that, I'll just keep it down right, so

48:15 Speaker 1: I just keep hearing it. And I told my mom

48:18 Speaker 1: that week. The only day I wouldn't be there was Saturday,

48:21 Speaker 1: right the day before Easter, because I was interviewing the

48:25 Speaker 1: chief film critic of Variety, a guy named Owen Gleivererman

48:29 Speaker 1: really big deal in the entertainment world, like the you

48:32 Speaker 1: know Variety, the magazine. Yeah, so he's the chief film

48:35 Speaker 1: critic of Variety, right, and I was interviewing him that day.

48:39 Speaker 1: You can still find a video I need toube. Actually,

48:41 Speaker 1: I don't know why I don't delete it. But then

48:44 Speaker 1: you see me look at my phone, realize my sister

48:47 Speaker 1: called eight times and you just see me kind of

48:50 Speaker 1: immediately my camera just goes black boom and stream ends, right,

48:58 Speaker 1: boom ends, everything ends. And I had to get into

49:01 Speaker 1: an uber from Somerville to Bill Ricca, and my sister

49:05 Speaker 1: was like, she's about to die. So this whole forty

49:09 Speaker 1: five minute uber, I have Logan with me in my lap.

49:13 Speaker 1: I'm trying not to cry in the uber, but it's happening,

49:17 Speaker 1: and I'm just saying in my head, just wait thirty minutes.

49:21 Speaker 1: Just if you can hold on, hold on, but if

49:23 Speaker 1: you need to go, I understand, right, like I understand.

49:26 Speaker 1: So I'm having this conversation in my head with her

49:29 Speaker 1: and I make it. But Logan, and again, this is

49:33 Speaker 1: why I trust him. When he sees something like that,

49:36 Speaker 1: when when he gets freaky, when he doesn't when he

49:39 Speaker 1: reacts to someone, I take it seriously. Because he showed

49:44 Speaker 1: me on so many occasions that he's something else right.

49:51 Speaker 1: So we get to the house immediately he knows something wrong,

49:55 Speaker 1: something wrong, and he knows that he would you would

49:59 Speaker 1: usually do jump up into the bed with her. Every

50:01 Speaker 1: other time we were there. He jumped right up with her.

50:04 Speaker 1: He walks in the room, doesn't jump up, goes under

50:07 Speaker 1: the bed under her hospital bed. You know, they raise

50:10 Speaker 1: up a little bit, So he goes under it and

50:12 Speaker 1: he just lays there under it, like run in parallel

50:17 Speaker 1: to her underneath it. He just lays there. You wouldn't

50:20 Speaker 1: even know. And he's a dog that when he's he moves,

50:22 Speaker 1: he'll get up and he'll switch. Didn't move a fucking

50:26 Speaker 1: muscle for three hours, just under her bed. And I

50:30 Speaker 1: was in the room when she went and it was

50:33 Speaker 1: just me and him. I didn't even know he was there.

50:36 Speaker 1: I didn't know if he had left the room or not.

50:39 Speaker 1: But he was in the room with me, and uh

50:41 Speaker 1: he just came up to me after and he put

50:43 Speaker 1: his arm, lifted it up, put it on my shoulder,

50:47 Speaker 1: almost almost as if to say like I got you, bud.

50:51 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and uh oh. They're very very connected to

50:54 Speaker 2: our emotions.

50:54 Speaker 1: But that's the day I saw the ORB in the

50:57 Speaker 1: room with us, So my mom was there, and when

51:01 Speaker 1: then she wasn't. But I saw this orble thing, little

51:06 Speaker 1: baseball size like, and I'm colorblind, so I don't know

51:09 Speaker 1: if I had color or not. But you ever looked

51:12 Speaker 1: down a highway on a hot day that like dispersion

51:15 Speaker 1: ball that up It looked like a light was bending

51:17 Speaker 1: around it. One second, she's there, and I can tell

51:19 Speaker 1: she's there, just like I can tell you you're there.

51:22 Speaker 1: I looked down for just a micro second. By the

51:25 Speaker 1: time I look back up, this thing just crosses my

51:27 Speaker 1: field of vision, hooks an l out the window, and

51:31 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure I saw what it saw. But

51:32 Speaker 1: then when I look back, she was gone. She's no

51:34 Speaker 1: longer there. And then I closed her eyes, she was gone.

51:37 Speaker 1: Like I was like, I didn't talk about it for

51:40 Speaker 1: a long time, at least a year, maybe longer, but

51:45 Speaker 1: she was involved in both of my anomalous experiences you

51:49 Speaker 1: have osiding when I was a kid. And then it

51:51 Speaker 1: was like it was almost like a one last reminder

51:53 Speaker 1: because that day this show was born. Because I was like,

51:56 Speaker 1: I want answers. Yeah, I'm not going to stop I.

51:59 Speaker 2: Mean, that's that's kind of what has happened to me.

52:02 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of it did start with

52:04 Speaker 2: all the traffic that was going on in there and

52:07 Speaker 2: and the apartment across the way.

52:09 Speaker 1: It's like, you're like, I need to know more.

52:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to figure this out because it's drived

52:14 Speaker 2: me and drive me crazy. I just felt insane.

52:17 Speaker 1: Have you ever been to like a medium or something

52:20 Speaker 1: well like something like that.

52:22 Speaker 2: No.

52:22 Speaker 1: I I have met people that are I could bring

52:27 Speaker 1: you somewhere.

52:28 Speaker 2: Pace and like they always are like whoa, this kind

52:32 Speaker 2: of give me the whoo.

52:33 Speaker 1: I'd love to bring you into one of the most

52:36 Speaker 1: famous shops in Salem. We got good access there and

52:40 Speaker 1: I'd love to just unprompted bring you in. Yeah, because

52:43 Speaker 1: again Salem is Salem. By the way. We've done the research,

52:47 Speaker 1: We've connected Dudley Road and Bilrica to Salem and Salem

52:51 Speaker 1: and the Witch Stiles and then to Bridgewater Triangle. In

52:55 Speaker 1: King Phil's War, all three out atrocities happened, and it

52:58 Speaker 1: seems like the land is holding some sort of car stacho.

53:03 Speaker 1: Oh man, So I don't know if it's do you

53:06 Speaker 1: believe in like hot spots?

53:08 Speaker 2: I believe in hot spots. I believe in Like I

53:12 Speaker 2: mean again, I'm still really kind of.

53:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, belief is a bad word to use.

53:17 Speaker 2: Believe, Yeah, yeah, I do believe. There's hearts of this world.

53:22 Speaker 2: There's or there's even things of this world that we

53:27 Speaker 2: just take for every day. But it's it's all connected

53:32 Speaker 2: to everything.

53:33 Speaker 1: Like you know what you mean, I well, I'll tell you.

53:36 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. What I think it means is that

53:40 Speaker 1: the atoms that make up the table and the atoms

53:44 Speaker 1: that make up yourself, myself, they're the same atoms. We're

53:49 Speaker 1: made up of recycled stardust. But what makes us special

53:53 Speaker 1: is consciousness, you know, Yeah, it's it's it's what it's

54:01 Speaker 1: self awareness and the ability to recognize self. And I

54:07 Speaker 1: think that is something intrinsically. I think the galaxy has

54:11 Speaker 1: I think it's there. Statistically, is unlikely that we are

54:16 Speaker 1: the only thing in the only game in town. Just

54:19 Speaker 1: pure numbers wise right, right, purely numbers right. Statistically almost honestly,

54:29 Speaker 1: I think it'd be scary if we were alone, if

54:31 Speaker 1: there was all that empty space or space and universe

54:37 Speaker 1: full of galaxies and stars, and you know, if then

54:42 Speaker 1: you know, if we want to take dimensionality to it

54:44 Speaker 1: and like all that space just for us, that'd be creepier, right,

54:50 Speaker 1: So for me it's like, Okay, there's definitely life outside

54:54 Speaker 1: of Earth, right, but here the thing about the spacement,

54:58 Speaker 1: there's always something outside the four walls. That's what I

55:01 Speaker 1: don't understand about our universe is if it ends somewhere,

55:06 Speaker 1: there has to be something on the outside. And if

55:08 Speaker 1: it doesn't end, how is that possible? Are we in

55:11 Speaker 1: a simulation? Because you can't. Infinite is infinite? Like what

55:16 Speaker 1: has that kind of computing process aside from some sort

55:19 Speaker 1: of god like because if everything was created from nothing

55:23 Speaker 1: and it's just expanding at an infinite.

55:27 Speaker 2: Like, it just that that's that's that's real.

55:34 Speaker 1: Well, you know what's funny to me is scientists will

55:37 Speaker 1: say the Big Bang theory, right, they'll say out of nothing,

55:41 Speaker 1: out of a pin drop, came everything. But you know,

55:44 Speaker 1: and young religious people's God, God said let there be light, right,

55:51 Speaker 1: God said, out of nothing, game everything. They're saying the

55:54 Speaker 1: same thing just through a different lens. And again I

55:57 Speaker 1: think that's what happens with UFOs is what they called vimanas,

56:01 Speaker 1: what they called chariots of the gods, what they called dragons,

56:05 Speaker 1: Those were mistaken technology.

56:07 Speaker 2: I think it's all so much closer than we actually understand,

56:09 Speaker 2: and so much more connected than we know. That's our

56:12 Speaker 2: journey answers.

56:12 Speaker 1: Like entanglement, because that would be interesting, right, they got

56:15 Speaker 1: a quantum level like if say we occupy the same

56:18 Speaker 1: room like we entangle, and maybe that's how like things

56:22 Speaker 1: like telepathy are developed.

56:24 Speaker 2: Well for the I'm sorry, what's the what would be

56:29 Speaker 2: the correct aliens? Is that?

56:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, just for lack of better term, non human, I.

56:34 Speaker 2: Just don't want to be hi respectful for that.

56:38 Speaker 1: I think people give you a pass ufo community people cool.

56:41 Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

56:43 Speaker 1: So so aliens, Yeah, they're connected.

56:49 Speaker 2: To us, connected to us. Well, there's much talker understanding

56:55 Speaker 2: that there's people that have had these experiences. They had

56:58 Speaker 2: some sort of telepathic message given to them. Yes, right,

57:01 Speaker 2: so when you're meditating, you're getting messages from something, from something,

57:08 Speaker 2: it's yourself, it's God.

57:10 Speaker 1: It's theoretically that would that would mean that you could

57:14 Speaker 1: somewhat communicate through meditation with a non human intelligence. It's

57:21 Speaker 1: like a phone line. You open up.

57:22 Speaker 2: The world is there's no nothing impossible.

57:26 Speaker 1: And that's another thing I've said for a long time

57:30 Speaker 1: is again school The world just inherently wants everything to

57:35 Speaker 1: be black white, yes, no one zero, but it's so

57:40 Speaker 1: much more.

57:40 Speaker 2: Gray, so many, so much more gray.

57:44 Speaker 1: Do you think that alien abduction happens.

57:46 Speaker 2: Colts of color wheel? Yes, make it fun, let's get it.

57:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of big, big color wheel, a lot

57:54 Speaker 1: of hues. Do you think like abduction happens alien abduction?

58:03 Speaker 2: I have had people tell me stuff like that, Like

58:07 Speaker 2: I've heard a story before where somebody, sorry, back on

58:11 Speaker 2: the other side. I've heard stories before where somebody like

58:13 Speaker 2: they had a sleep paralysis or whatever, that's what they

58:16 Speaker 2: thought it was. Later down the road kind of like, well,

58:21 Speaker 2: I'm not really sure what that was. That was a

58:22 Speaker 2: crazy stream I ever had. Like then they talk about

58:26 Speaker 2: another ten years later, like I still don't know what

58:28 Speaker 2: that was, Like it kind of sounds like you got adducted.

58:31 Speaker 1: What happened?

58:32 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. It wasn't really. I wasn't really.

58:35 Speaker 1: I didn't tell you the details. No, okay, I And

58:38 Speaker 1: that's you don't know, that's their story. So have you

58:43 Speaker 1: ever do you know what a near death experience is?

58:49 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, like so people have their life flashed

58:53 Speaker 1: before their eyes that kind of thing, or they see

58:56 Speaker 1: the other side, they go there for a minute, yeah,

58:58 Speaker 1: and uh, then they don't want to come back. I'm

59:00 Speaker 1: gonna guess inherently by your answers and your intuition, but

59:05 Speaker 1: do you think that there's life after death in some format?

59:08 Speaker 2: In format?

59:09 Speaker 1: Are you afraid of death?

59:11 Speaker 2: Why? I'm not afraid?

59:13 Speaker 1: Are you just saying that? No?

59:14 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I have no fear. I walked through this

59:17 Speaker 2: life with love in my heart, and I have absolutely

59:18 Speaker 2: no fear.

59:19 Speaker 1: How do you do that?

59:20 Speaker 2: I went deep down in my soul I found it,

59:23 Speaker 2: and yeah, no, I just know. I know I'm protected.

59:27 Speaker 2: I know I'm okay, And.

59:28 Speaker 1: You're okay with not that you're okay with dying, But

59:30 Speaker 1: you'd if it happened tomorrow, you'd be You'd say, I'm fulfilled.

59:36 Speaker 1: I know. I know for me, I I fear it,

59:39 Speaker 1: fear death for some reason. So like I think, and

59:43 Speaker 1: I tell people, I love life so much that I

59:46 Speaker 1: just don't want to die. It is true, But I

59:48 Speaker 1: just I don't fear easy.

59:51 Speaker 2: I don't want to die. I mean, I've done I

59:55 Speaker 2: love this all right, I've done those things. I've I've

59:58 Speaker 2: talked about it. Or you know, on through the motions

1:00:00 Speaker 2: of you know, suicide or however it sucks. I've seen

1:00:04 Speaker 2: a lot of friends that have committed suicide, especially you

1:00:07 Speaker 2: know with the deployments. Yeah, living in the military life,

1:00:11 Speaker 2: but uh yeah, it's it's crazy. But that's a dark,

1:00:17 Speaker 2: dark hole to be in when you're in that.

1:00:19 Speaker 1: And that's how I know evil exists, because something takes over. Right,

1:00:24 Speaker 1: we looked this up. We looked this up. Actually so

1:00:28 Speaker 1: the Institute of Neuetic Sciences, I believe, right so, and

1:00:34 Speaker 1: one of the founders of the Institute of Neuetic Scientists

1:00:37 Speaker 1: Science was a guy named Edgar Mitchell. Six man to

1:00:41 Speaker 1: walk on the Moon comes back with this brand new

1:00:45 Speaker 1: appreciation for life, for consciousness, right because he said, on

1:00:51 Speaker 1: the way home from the Moon, after walking on a

1:00:54 Speaker 1: celestial body, he was looking out the porthole and he

1:01:01 Speaker 1: saw Earth and it's in totality, and it dawned on

1:01:06 Speaker 1: him that every moment in all of our recorded history

1:01:11 Speaker 1: and not recorded history, every single person you've ever known,

1:01:16 Speaker 1: every thought that's ever crossed our minds on this planet,

1:01:20 Speaker 1: it's all happened on this small little blue dot hanging

1:01:25 Speaker 1: in space, revolving a giant ball of fire, and he

1:01:30 Speaker 1: just It's called the observer effect, right, Astronauts commonly go

1:01:34 Speaker 1: through it. So he comes back and he's renewed. He

1:01:38 Speaker 1: wants to know things, so he founds this Institute for

1:01:41 Speaker 1: Noedic Science, and they conduct this experiment alongside I think

1:01:47 Speaker 1: I believe a university, but I'm not sure either way.

1:01:51 Speaker 1: They take water, right, my audiences can be like, you

1:01:54 Speaker 1: tell all these eight stories every episode, but they when

1:02:01 Speaker 1: they froze the water, they would speak to it for right,

1:02:04 Speaker 1: so they would say like love, kindness, anything out of

1:02:09 Speaker 1: positive connotation. The crystal would freeze in a beautiful fashion

1:02:13 Speaker 1: when they said things like war, hate, kill, like murder,

1:02:17 Speaker 1: because kills not inherently bad, but anything with the negative connotation.

1:02:21 Speaker 1: The crystal was just funky looking, right, So what they theorize,

1:02:26 Speaker 1: what the hypothesized was that your intent and the way

1:02:30 Speaker 1: that you think your words they matter literally affect the

1:02:36 Speaker 1: matter around you. So you ever had a day where

1:02:42 Speaker 1: you hit every green light and you're just jumping on it, right,

1:02:46 Speaker 1: and you walk in there's a bright sunny day. Because

1:02:49 Speaker 1: then the next day you hit every red light. Every

1:02:52 Speaker 1: driver seems to be in your way. You got to

1:02:54 Speaker 1: sit at the grocery store line behind a woman who

1:02:57 Speaker 1: has four kids that she can't control, and everything everyone

1:03:02 Speaker 1: is in your way, right, you.

1:03:05 Speaker 2: Know what you're supposed to enjoy that.

1:03:06 Speaker 1: Well, we go into our default setting, and our default

1:03:09 Speaker 1: setting used to be the victim.

1:03:11 Speaker 2: No, sit back, sit back, Sit back with it, and

1:03:13 Speaker 2: we're all in this together. Sit back with it. Just wait,

1:03:17 Speaker 2: be patient, calm down, it's all okay. I'm going to

1:03:20 Speaker 2: get to where you're going.

1:03:21 Speaker 1: I thought that was really cool because, like again, it's

1:03:26 Speaker 1: kind of like that idea of willing something into existence.

1:03:29 Speaker 2: Yeah right, Like, I mean there's so many things. Just

1:03:33 Speaker 2: what the words you're saying, Like you keep telling yourself

1:03:37 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Like you that that

1:03:40 Speaker 2: does something on you're like it starts springing you downstairs,

1:03:42 Speaker 2: bringing you downstairs, bringing it down you. You know, not

1:03:47 Speaker 2: not saying bad things to yourself. Don't call yourself a

1:03:49 Speaker 2: tell me, don't say you're an idiot. Don't do this.

1:03:52 Speaker 2: Don't like be nice to yourself first, be nice to everything.

1:03:56 Speaker 2: Like just you know, think about that water when you're

1:04:01 Speaker 2: pouring it out there and pouring in the glass, you know,

1:04:03 Speaker 2: think happy thoughts into is a little tinker bell action

1:04:05 Speaker 2: or something. You know, it's just that, you know, just

1:04:10 Speaker 2: trying to play that little bit of magic. If you

1:04:12 Speaker 2: try that and it does something for you, that's wonderful.

1:04:15 Speaker 2: It doesn't throw it away.

1:04:17 Speaker 1: But but I think another thing that happens to us

1:04:21 Speaker 1: as kids again, I think that's a very fundamental stage

1:04:27 Speaker 1: of human development, right, because your brains a sponge at

1:04:30 Speaker 1: that time. And you know, there is a lot of

1:04:34 Speaker 1: cases of UFO like landings near schools where like Rurro,

1:04:41 Speaker 1: Zimbabwe at the Aerial School Westall, there's a bunch of

1:04:47 Speaker 1: cases where UFO seem to land and interact with children,

1:04:52 Speaker 1: giving them this telepathic message that we need to be

1:04:55 Speaker 1: careful with technology. And it's always the same thing. And

1:04:59 Speaker 1: then they draw. They all draw the same thing. They

1:05:02 Speaker 1: spring that kind of thing. Not with the joint though,

1:05:08 Speaker 1: I got one too. But yeah, all my aliens are smoking,

1:05:13 Speaker 1: except these guys down here. Yeah we got some new decor.

1:05:18 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. And I noticed that in someone else's stream

1:05:23 Speaker 1: they like casually put like a brick of money out

1:05:26 Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, there's mine. It's real.

1:05:32 Speaker 1: But it's real, right, that's that's real. Right. You can

1:05:37 Speaker 1: you observe that it's real. All right, all right, I

1:05:40 Speaker 1: got more of it in the book War in Peace,

1:05:42 Speaker 1: but uh no, it's just kidding. Its motion picture money. Guys,

1:05:48 Speaker 1: what do you think most people misunderstand about the phenomena?

1:05:54 Speaker 1: What do you think most people misunderstand about the phenomena

1:05:59 Speaker 1: or like the paranormal? What is your general person not?

1:06:02 Speaker 1: What do they get wrong when thinking about what this is?

1:06:05 Speaker 1: Oh man, that's deep on you.

1:06:07 Speaker 2: Paranormal. I think it's closer than you realize. And that's

1:06:13 Speaker 2: not a bad thing. It's not to be scared. It's

1:06:15 Speaker 2: just closer than you realize. You just you're not, uh

1:06:21 Speaker 2: just not aware of it because there's so much noise

1:06:25 Speaker 2: and static around you. If your every day of how

1:06:27 Speaker 2: you're conditioned to be in this hole or be in

1:06:30 Speaker 2: this label instead of just enjoying your life, just just

1:06:34 Speaker 2: go have fun. That's you know.

1:06:36 Speaker 1: Do you think that that's my.

1:06:38 Speaker 2: Rule in life? This is just going to go have fun,

1:06:42 Speaker 2: you know, do what I'm asked to do.

1:06:45 Speaker 1: You think it's a possibility that maybe our ancient ancestors,

1:06:49 Speaker 1: because they didn't have all the noise, that they were

1:06:52 Speaker 1: more tuned into, like the voice of God.

1:06:57 Speaker 2: And like that, how much time do you spend?

1:07:00 Speaker 1: Honest to god, I spend. I spend because I work

1:07:05 Speaker 1: at a day job where I need to be on

1:07:06 Speaker 1: the computer all day and then do this at night.

1:07:10 Speaker 1: Think about this since nine, since eight a m. I

1:07:13 Speaker 1: mean you could argue I'm not on a screen right now.

1:07:16 Speaker 2: Wait, yeah, we're having a conversation. Yeah, we do have.

1:07:20 Speaker 1: So this is what I would consider healthy. But a

1:07:22 Speaker 1: lot of my time is spent like because I'm gonna

1:07:25 Speaker 1: have to edit and luckily we've streamlined it. But like

1:07:30 Speaker 1: a lot of my time is in front of a

1:07:32 Speaker 1: screen right now, and it's debilitating. So yeah, I think

1:07:37 Speaker 1: definitely does something.

1:07:39 Speaker 2: Our technology. We need our technology. It's fun, it's exciting,

1:07:42 Speaker 2: it's awesome, and it's you know, it's what we create,

1:07:44 Speaker 2: it's what we've expanded, it's what we've made. Like Squirrel

1:07:48 Speaker 2: just really gets interesting every single time think about it.

1:07:50 Speaker 2: But we have to find balances between using those devices,

1:07:57 Speaker 2: watching TV, do it, you know, checking out when we

1:08:02 Speaker 2: should really be checking in and checking in with each other.

1:08:05 Speaker 1: Like COVID fucked up. I shouldn't even say COVID on

1:08:08 Speaker 1: the air. Can you mark the time? It immediately gets

1:08:11 Speaker 1: to nineteen the vid. Oh yeah, the lockdowns I think

1:08:20 Speaker 1: really did something to people mentally where they forgot how

1:08:24 Speaker 1: to connect with people. I think we're still not recovering.

1:08:27 Speaker 2: No, we haven't. I also got a crazy like that

1:08:32 Speaker 2: killed Uh do.

1:08:34 Speaker 1: You think that was done to us? Or like, don't

1:08:37 Speaker 1: get conspiratorially, you don't have to. But do you think

1:08:40 Speaker 1: that there's even a do you think that? Do you

1:08:42 Speaker 1: think it's a zero percent chance that that wasn't maybe

1:08:45 Speaker 1: some sort of test run for some sort of false

1:08:49 Speaker 1: flag operation. It's a fair question, let's see. And that's

1:08:53 Speaker 1: the same government that like the Gulf of Tonken mk ultra,

1:08:59 Speaker 1: they've done things that are irreprehensible.

1:09:01 Speaker 2: Enough to be throwing things like that.

1:09:03 Speaker 1: I don't feel fair enough.

1:09:05 Speaker 2: I have one more about the I felt insensitive when

1:09:10 Speaker 2: I said that about the Bible. The Bible written by

1:09:14 Speaker 2: men and translations is loss. I felt a little Ye,

1:09:19 Speaker 2: you're right, yeah, but that's I don't need to.

1:09:25 Speaker 1: You know, I know you know what. I know what

1:09:28 Speaker 1: you're I do know what you're Yeah, I know what

1:09:30 Speaker 1: you're feeling, because like.

1:09:31 Speaker 2: The Bible is you know, from but just like the

1:09:36 Speaker 2: ten Commandments are from God, right, you know, we as

1:09:40 Speaker 2: a society its telling these stories and translation them, translating

1:09:44 Speaker 2: them into other things, and all this other stuff. I

1:09:48 Speaker 2: think the message is a little more askewed at in

1:09:53 Speaker 2: some some of these places.

1:09:55 Speaker 1: Like the there's no doubt in the right place, there's

1:09:59 Speaker 1: there's there's not a doubt in my mind.

1:10:01 Speaker 2: It's it's a little more.

1:10:03 Speaker 1: Think about this Greek or ancient Greek, translating ancient Greek

1:10:12 Speaker 1: into or was it? Was it? No, it was ancient, Yeah,

1:10:17 Speaker 1: it was ancient Greek, and translating that into lesser what

1:10:24 Speaker 1: did they translate it into Hebrew? Hebrew has like I

1:10:31 Speaker 1: think a thousand characters versus Greek thirty thousand, right, it's

1:10:35 Speaker 1: like those aren't the real numbers, but it's that much difference.

1:10:38 Speaker 1: So like it's being under there's not the same words.

1:10:44 Speaker 1: So things did get lost in the translation literally, and

1:10:48 Speaker 1: this has happened a lot.

1:10:50 Speaker 2: I think that's I mean, you could translation here.

1:10:54 Speaker 1: Like that game of telephone. That's the whole point of that, right,

1:10:58 Speaker 1: is a whole A message can be convoluted just been

1:11:01 Speaker 1: the ten people year around.

1:11:02 Speaker 2: But so it's yeah, it's.

1:11:10 Speaker 1: Do you believe that there are or ever what were

1:11:13 Speaker 1: people on earth with what we would describe today as

1:11:18 Speaker 1: supernatural abilities, like like actual like parting the sea.

1:11:26 Speaker 2: Do you think people, I mean yeah, like.

1:11:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, why not right?

1:11:34 Speaker 2: I think I think there was magic. I think magic

1:11:37 Speaker 2: is very real.

1:11:39 Speaker 1: I would have to agree the magic is.

1:11:42 Speaker 2: Everywhere, and I don't want to questify more magic and

1:11:46 Speaker 2: create more magic myself. And yeah, being in the film

1:11:48 Speaker 2: business leaves me in that spot where we create magic

1:11:52 Speaker 2: every day. We're just making it up all the time.

1:11:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you are well, this has been really fun man.

1:11:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I appreciate you have to do it again.

1:12:00 Speaker 1: Anything that you're working on right now that is a note.

1:12:03 Speaker 2: Writing a lot, writing a lot, and writing a lot.

1:12:05 Speaker 1: So you like to write writing what like a fantasy?

1:12:09 Speaker 2: Everything is anything? Yes, kind of playing with life and

1:12:13 Speaker 2: creating what I want to create. Like I feel like

1:12:17 Speaker 2: maybe I'm crank out a couple of scripts, you know,

1:12:21 Speaker 2: have fun with it. You know.

1:12:23 Speaker 1: What's another thing I tried to bring up, and I

1:12:25 Speaker 1: meant to bring this up earlier is a lot of

1:12:27 Speaker 1: people that I've met in the communities of like people

1:12:30 Speaker 1: who like this kind of stuff, like the existential stuff.

1:12:34 Speaker 1: They always tend to be artists of some sort that

1:12:38 Speaker 1: just keep it speaker like flip back speaker, Papapa, Now

1:12:41 Speaker 1: mark the time too. Oh okay, I love it.

1:12:48 Speaker 2: Uh, you were writing scripts, writing scripts, So writing scripts?

1:12:54 Speaker 2: I love music.

1:12:54 Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot of people are artists.

1:12:57 Speaker 2: That's so like there's a lot more message music.

1:13:01 Speaker 1: Well, think about this. What's the root word and what's

1:13:04 Speaker 1: the muse the ether? And like even people like Nicola Tesla, Einstein,

1:13:10 Speaker 1: they all meditated and then or even musicians like Beethoven

1:13:13 Speaker 1: said that they were just a vessel and that it

1:13:17 Speaker 1: was like the universe was working through them to bring

1:13:20 Speaker 1: this into existence. So if they're doing that through meditation

1:13:24 Speaker 1: and thought experiments like Einstein, and like, think about that,

1:13:28 Speaker 1: what that guy was going through in his head? He

1:13:31 Speaker 1: founded general relativity through thought experiments. He was who's to

1:13:36 Speaker 1: say he wasn't actually astrally traveling through space. And you know,

1:13:42 Speaker 1: like that's the magic, that's the magic, that's the gray

1:13:46 Speaker 1: and the color wheel that people don't want to see

1:13:49 Speaker 1: because what they can see is it's in front of them, right,

1:13:55 Speaker 1: and they get so caught up with the material world

1:13:58 Speaker 1: that they completely forget. Yeah, that we live on you know,

1:14:03 Speaker 1: and so many people are focused on getting into heaven

1:14:06 Speaker 1: or or not going to hell, or you know that

1:14:10 Speaker 1: that they forget or they're so focused on the you know,

1:14:13 Speaker 1: their retirement or yeah, making amends for what they did

1:14:17 Speaker 1: in the past. I'm not saying that you shouldn't.

1:14:19 Speaker 2: Do that hung up on that.

1:14:21 Speaker 1: You do have to as an avid believer, but you

1:14:25 Speaker 1: can't let it ruin the present because the president is

1:14:31 Speaker 1: the president is the gift.

1:14:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's so much fun.

1:14:36 Speaker 1: But the muse Yeah, so the amusement.

1:14:39 Speaker 2: Okay, you tell me David Bowie and Prince weren't angels, Like,

1:14:44 Speaker 2: come on, those those guys are on a whole different level.

1:14:47 Speaker 1: There are people that like, and there are people who

1:14:50 Speaker 1: you like. When you're in a room with them, you

1:14:54 Speaker 1: can like or when that person walks into a room,

1:14:57 Speaker 1: it lights the room up. But then there's the opposite,

1:15:00 Speaker 1: the people that walk into a room and the air

1:15:03 Speaker 1: sucks the energy. Vampire, stop being a just they suck

1:15:09 Speaker 1: the life out of the room. It's and you can

1:15:11 Speaker 1: HiT's tangible and and that's how I know. Again, like

1:15:15 Speaker 1: things like the Epstein Files, like have you been following

1:15:18 Speaker 1: do you follow any of this ship? That's tell me,

1:15:21 Speaker 1: that's not tell me that's not demonic evil inherent.

1:15:27 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, it is pure evil.

1:15:29 Speaker 1: Why aren't people marching on the streets. That's our kid.

1:15:33 Speaker 2: I just got some time off, so I'm getting ready

1:15:35 Speaker 2: to get in and get going like it just bothers're

1:15:40 Speaker 2: So just try it with me, Like try to separate

1:15:46 Speaker 2: yourself from from your devices, from like sucking yourself into

1:15:51 Speaker 2: the news. Be be aware, be you know, understand what's

1:15:57 Speaker 2: going on. Understand like what's happening in your local what's

1:16:00 Speaker 2: happening in the news. But don't get sucked into it

1:16:04 Speaker 2: because they're just making some of this stuff just it's

1:16:07 Speaker 2: like a constant.

1:16:09 Speaker 1: If it bleeds, it leads, if it's so, I feel

1:16:12 Speaker 1: that Holy spirit coming through those feel that Holy spirit.

1:16:16 Speaker 1: I just felt something tingle that was odd. But yeah,

1:16:21 Speaker 1: so writing, we'll we'll have to talk because I'm I'm

1:16:25 Speaker 1: writing a short film that I actually want to film

1:16:28 Speaker 1: in those woods. So last thing I'll say, and I

1:16:31 Speaker 1: want to get this on air. Every year I paint

1:16:35 Speaker 1: because my mom died the day before Easter, right, all

1:16:38 Speaker 1: she wanted to do is paint eggs. So every year,

1:16:42 Speaker 1: the day before Easter I go or either Easter or

1:16:45 Speaker 1: the day before Easter, I go out and I paint

1:16:48 Speaker 1: an egg in the woods that you know, because she

1:16:51 Speaker 1: brought me to those woods. And I paint an egg

1:16:54 Speaker 1: and spread a little bit of her ash and just

1:16:58 Speaker 1: talked to her just like I would any you know.

1:16:59 Speaker 1: And I always say, if there's any time to show

1:17:06 Speaker 1: me something or to tell me something, it's now. I'm

1:17:09 Speaker 1: here alone in the woods on Easter. There's no one

1:17:12 Speaker 1: out here. I can't I can't mistake it for anything

1:17:16 Speaker 1: my rational brain. If I'm in the city and someone

1:17:20 Speaker 1: speaks in my head, I'm just gonna think it. Someone

1:17:22 Speaker 1: call my name from Bob, you know what I mean.

1:17:24 Speaker 1: So I'm like, this is the perfect So I get

1:17:25 Speaker 1: done paint in the egg, I get done with the

1:17:27 Speaker 1: whole ceremony. I do. I cry a little. I I'm

1:17:31 Speaker 1: by myself, and I enjoy the moment. You know you

1:17:35 Speaker 1: talked about that that I take that moment. And I've

1:17:43 Speaker 1: been in those woods thousands of times. The only thing

1:17:49 Speaker 1: I've ever really seen are birds of all kinds, mostly

1:17:55 Speaker 1: geese on the pond that's right there, but beavers as

1:17:59 Speaker 1: well as of damns. I know deer are in there,

1:18:02 Speaker 1: but I've never come face to face with one. I

1:18:05 Speaker 1: climb out of the because it's like a little divot

1:18:08 Speaker 1: divot down After I'm I'm saying to my mom, if

1:18:12 Speaker 1: you don't want you want to show me anything, I

1:18:16 Speaker 1: climb up the ledge and I'm staring at ten deer,

1:18:20 Speaker 1: like from me to her that close deer, don't walk

1:18:24 Speaker 1: up to you like that. They they're timid. As soon

1:18:27 Speaker 1: as I came face to face with them, I had

1:18:30 Speaker 1: enough time where I went, why aren't they running? I

1:18:33 Speaker 1: had enough time to think that it was odd. By

1:18:36 Speaker 1: the time I got my phone out of the bag,

1:18:39 Speaker 1: they were far away, but I got them on camera

1:18:41 Speaker 1: running away, ten of them. Someone hit me with that after,

1:18:44 Speaker 1: but someone sent that deer is like an omen really

1:18:48 Speaker 1: for someone. Yeah, so in and then many other people

1:18:51 Speaker 1: said the same thing when I told the story, So

1:18:55 Speaker 1: I comes, I'm saying, man, my mother is like she's

1:18:58 Speaker 1: right there, like her, and she's right there, and she's

1:19:01 Speaker 1: the highest picture in the room. She's always looking down.

1:19:04 Speaker 1: But like for me, she's riding chocohun. I walked her

1:19:09 Speaker 1: into Congress, you know, I walked her into places that

1:19:12 Speaker 1: I never dreamed to be. And you saw me at

1:19:13 Speaker 1: my lowest bro drinking like drinking. She was always my

1:19:19 Speaker 1: north star and she will always be my north star.

1:19:24 Speaker 1: So you know, I I know that something's out there,

1:19:27 Speaker 1: that the world is colorful. It's but you I think

1:19:31 Speaker 1: you just maybe see it more than I do. Yeah,

1:19:36 Speaker 1: but I'd love to Yeah, so I'd love to listen.

1:19:38 Speaker 1: I'd love to do this again. I'd love to take

1:19:40 Speaker 1: you out to some spots and uh really, like you

1:19:43 Speaker 1: know what I'm down with, like due meditation out there too,

1:19:46 Speaker 1: and like there's have you ever heard of C five

1:19:50 Speaker 1: It's like it's a contact modality, so you essentially meditate

1:19:53 Speaker 1: with the intention of calling down UFO. Maybe we could

1:19:59 Speaker 1: try that sounds cool? Yeah, dude, Dave, fun times man,

1:20:04 Speaker 1: this is all this has been. This has really been great.

1:20:06 Speaker 1: It's always fun to have just like a Cuman conversation again.

1:20:11 Speaker 1: You know, with some people it's like yeah, some people

1:20:15 Speaker 1: it's very strict, right, like I'm dealing with personalities. But

1:20:19 Speaker 1: thank you guys for everyone who tuned in and who

1:20:22 Speaker 1: will be tuning in. Dave, you've been You've been a

1:20:25 Speaker 1: champ man. It is hard to just jump in front

1:20:27 Speaker 1: of a mic for the first time. You did great.

1:20:29 Speaker 2: I mean, granted, I've been in front of the camera

1:20:32 Speaker 2: many times, but that stuff's on the editing floor. Yeah,

1:20:34 Speaker 2: it just always stand in. But yeah, this was This

1:20:37 Speaker 2: is fun.

1:20:37 Speaker 1: You'll get better at it, trust me, you'll get You'll

1:20:39 Speaker 1: be able to be like baa Pop forever the first

1:20:42 Speaker 1: time I fell in love with it though. But for

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1:20:53 Speaker 1: means that we can spend more money bringing people to Boston.

1:20:58 Speaker 1: Like this weekend, we have an air Force All Source

1:21:01 Speaker 1: analyst Whistleblower coming into the studio and then Tim Birchett,

1:21:06 Speaker 1: representative out of Tennessee and in Congress, will be on

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