Mystery Object Baffles Scientists! COSMIC Contact with 3i/ATLAS? DISCLOSED

0:11 Speaker 1: Cary that keeps playing twice. I don't know why. God. Ladies and gentlemen, truth seekers and mystery hunters, Welcome to the inaugural episode of Disclosed, your Thursday Night rendezvous with the strange, the unexplained, and the downright mind bending. I'm Ty Roberts, and I'm going to be joined tonight by the brilliant and bold Cari Lindsay. And tonight, guys, better buckle up. We've got a lineup that'll make you questioned reality itself and whether we're living in the matrix. First up, you guys, remember that booga spear.

0:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, the mysterious little ball that's been giving scientists migraines for months and months and months. I do well. It's finally been carbon dated, and let's just say that the results aren't exactly helping anyone sleep easier night. Spoiler alert, They might this car, this fucking Bouga sphere might predate Mitch McConnell, where I'm still waiting for that report. Of course, it doesn't stop there. UAPs are shutting down airports around the world when these things pop up. Flights stop. Forget whether today weather delays.

1:20 Speaker 1: We're now dealing with alien traffic control. Let's see someone else delta kind of, you know, try to push that as a force masure at God. And then there's three eye at lists.

1:32 Speaker 2: Uh.

1:32 Speaker 1: There are many thoughts on this interstellar object. Some are saying it's just a rock, a normal commet tumbling through the galaxy, simply passing by, while others say it might not be so normal. With the material composition data that's coming out. This thing could be the cosmic equivalent of your nosy neighbor peeking through the blinds. Who knows October is going to be interesting as Atlas makes its closest approach. Guys, be vigilant. Uh, this is when you kind of have to watch out for people asking you to drink the kool aid, if you know what I mean.

2:05 Speaker 1: Oh, and Arrow the All Domain and OMID Resolution Office for short drop some d uapad videos and finally updated that doss based website that they were using breadcrumbs distractions. I don't know Carey and I are going to break it all down, help you sift through the noise to get to the source. And that's what this show is about. Every week on Disclosed, we will take you beyond the headlines. Into the strange world of the unknown, the otherworldly, the dark, and the mysterious. We're not here to hand you the answers on silver bladder.

2:38 Speaker 1: We don't have all the answers. We're here to help you ask the right questions. With our two unique perspectives, we'll dig deep, challenge narratives, and hopefully give you a clearer lens into what is truly going on now before we dive in, do us a solid If you love the idea of cutting through the noise, If you want early ad free access to the show, if you want to support the mission of bringing these conversations to the forefront smashed out subscribe button considered becoming an asset or a member of the Total Disclosure community.

3:10 Speaker 1: Trust me, it helps us keep the lights on and Kri paid. We got to get him some ramen, so pop and the questions are sharp. Let's get into it, disclosed. Start snap. Well, I just I tripped over my words a bunch, good day, good day, what's up? So I thought, before.

3:40 Speaker 3: We go any further, I fixed the problem with the video playing twice. I had hit a loop button. That was my fault. So I was like, why I know. I realized I was like, oh, that was me, that was me. Hello, everybody, this is disclosed. We were off to an awesome start already.

3:56 Speaker 1: Hello, Yeah, I did you sow the car been dating joke? I thought that was going to hit harder and then I forgot it halfway through. But yeah, so so it was that, it was so it was well, no, it was to actually talking about the Karen dating of buga spear. Spoiler alert, it might even be older than Mitch McConnell. We're still waiting on that. So but yeah, So Cary and I have been talking. He's they've been doing a lot of editing for the show, and we thought that would be kind of cool to do something more consistently.

4:39 Speaker 1: We we're engaging with people, engaging with the audience. Uh, and a weekly show has been something that used to do with Pop Culture Corner and it's something I really really miss kind of just be able to kick back the shoes off literally and uh talk about the things we love with the people in the community that I love and Cary I couldn't the I mean, we have very different perspectives. So maybe if you want to reintroduce yourself.

5:06 Speaker 3: Hi, that so my name's carried and see. You may know me from uh the Dark Places of Uthology known as Stephen Cambion's Truth Seekers Show. And I also and I also I worked on the docu series with Darcy Wick called Dark Alliance The Inside Story of the Cosmic con which explored the story of Corey Good the fake secret Space program Insider. That's on streaming platforms. You can find out on Amazon and Google. Just had to get my little plug in there. And I'm here to have an engaging dialogue. I feel. I feel like that's something that euthology is absolutely lacking, is the ability to look at the events that are going on, analyze them, and look at the actual facts and then have a conversation.

5:50 Speaker 3: And if if me and Tyler disagree, that's okay. We're not We're not going to jump down in tevist rights. We're not going to dox each other's family is. We're just going to have a conversation and that that's that's what we're endeavoring to give to you, and we're going to present evidence and you guys can make your own decisions, but what you believe and let us know in the comments, Like it's it's an ongoing dialogue. And if we disagree, that's okay, Yeah, without further ado.

6:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, And and one last thing, and we'll try not to keep talking over each other. Well, well that was a given. No, that was my fault. I do that a lot. The last thing is the audience. I really want to be the third host, you know, So any any super chats, any donations, any memberships, obviously, you know, we want to make a point of including the guys in the discussion. And I truly mean it, like when I say that I come here to have conversations with the community because you know, you guys are just the best and and I've always really appreciated, uh, the UFO world.

6:55 Speaker 1: There's some really smart people, but there's also people we need to watch out for. So there's okay. One of the one of the first story we're starting with, Cari is this. I've been hearing reports all this week about so that the drones are coming back up and shutting down airports and Copenhagen other places around the globe. What's going on with these drones or what the UFO community just decides our UFOs right.

7:30 Speaker 3: Right, So to understand the situation, let's let's go back to the beginning. So the other night, around nine point thirty at night in I believe Copenhagen. Let me double chat YEP with Copenhagen. So there was a unidentified craft that flew over the airport and caused a huge ruckus. It was a big WTF moment and the shutdown the airport, planes had to be rere and all this stuff. Then videos started coming out, and the UFO community does what it does, and they jumped to the most extreme solution instead of relying on some impertal days and making make an informed decision about what it was.

8:14 Speaker 3: So I'm going to share my screen and we're gonna we're gonna go through a couple of things.

8:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is again if you guys will remember last what is it? Last November December, and actually even the prop the previous November December, the United States, the East Coast, New Jersey drones overlaying the Air Force base. This has been something that for some reason just keeps happening and and the UFO community is taking it and they're running with it and and I don't know if that's for clicks and try to make the subject relevant, but all it's really doing is hurting credibility.

8:54 Speaker 3: I agree, I absolutely agree. So here is the one of the original videos taken in the app of this this kind of wing looking craft flying over the airport. So I will say this, if it looks anomalous, right yeah.

9:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, the weird green hue I think adds to the to the mystery of it. How it's being filmed is clearly that. So my problem here is the people on the ground. So these you can't just walk onto a runway like that unless you're you know, part of working at the airport. So a lot of people what they're saying is that that video, how is someone who works with airplanes misidentifying an airplane? It's like, you know what I mean.

9:44 Speaker 3: Well, I mean that that's a good question, and I mean that's a question for the person that filmed the video, right because if we uh, In fact, I think I have a higher here. So here's a slightly higher quality version. See, I think we're looking at a so we're looking at it through I think I think we're looking at it through glass, so we're getting slight kind of yep.

10:11 Speaker 1: So the only thing I'm not seeing here, admittedly is traditional air traffic lights like one on each side blinking. So but again you're saying that on flight radar, this this craft is transponding.

10:30 Speaker 3: Yes, so I'll share that time now and we'll go to it. So because at that time, isn't this over Because and this is my theory, it caused a flap, So the airport gets shut down and there's reports of lights and then maybe there were drones at the other airports. But this initial event, it was a trackable plane that flew over the over the airport slowly twice. And that's that's the flight path it took. Oh, it's pretty fit.

11:09 Speaker 1: It does go right over the air beside.

11:11 Speaker 3: So it's interesting to note. So it flew over eight seventeen and eight nineteen and seven minutes later is when they closed the airport.

11:20 Speaker 1: Wow.

11:21 Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like that's pretty cut and dry as to what the cause of that airport shutdown was. Now, I'm not saying that's the same for the Oslo airport. I think that could just be people reporting drones, whether there were drones or not, because I've heard conflicting reports about whether people have actually syndrones or they've shut it down. In case they're are drones and they're investigating. But what I mean, if if anyone in the chat can comment and let us know, that would be great. But from what everything I've seen, like the one bona Fide trackable event was the first one and that was a plane.

11:58 Speaker 1: So okay, yeah, I do want to say this. So I don't know if anyone's ever flown drones before, but they and the moment you hit restricted airspace the most commercially available drone like, so these are if they are drones, they're not people like us flying them. It's either some sort of nation state like Russia, China actually those two maybe even you know the old the old Israel, who knows, I won't I don't want to get canceled or anything, but commercial drones when they hit that air space of a restricted airspace, the drone literally turns in most cases, turns around and returns to send her as soon as you try crossing that path that threshold.

12:57 Speaker 1: So these aren't just DGI drone. These are high capacity, high battery and they can like stay in the air long and they're big. So at least those are the ones that were being seen over the East Coast that caused that flap, most recently over the United States. Now, could it be happening over in Oslo, in other airports in you know, the UK some places I've heard of. Yeah, and then Scandinavia. There was the press conference where the woman she literally said it. The woman said, you know, I want this to be unexplained, honestly, but what I think it is is Russia or China and she she she says that you know, it's most likely drones.

13:42 Speaker 1: So again, I think people are taking this topic of drones and you know, the the the discourse between it's kind of like what is a whistleblower?

13:53 Speaker 3: Right?

13:53 Speaker 1: What is a UFO?

13:57 Speaker 3: Right, Let's get into the kind of linguistic semantics. But it the definitions are changing. I think of what we colloquially as a society think about these things. I just a side note on the on the the East Coast flat. I've I've got my own kind of pet theory about that that it was like there's like drones that can they put them out to detect like nuclear material, and that I read I heard reports at the time that there was there was some kind of nuclear material miss, some kind of intelligent snapoo and there was nuclear material missing, and that they were searching for it.

14:42 Speaker 3: Now, this could just be tinfoil from the internet. I'm going to preface me saying all that with that. But it was interesting and it certainly seemed more plausible than than aliens. So you know, and that would they tell us? Would they tell us if there was nuclear material like loose in on the East Coast? I don't think they would tell us if there was.

15:04 Speaker 1: Sorry, no, but I will say this, I got a message on signal from someone in Congress that stated just exactly what you just said. They said, they said to me, and I will show you privately so you know that I'm telling the truth.

15:22 Speaker 3: I cannot I think I know who you're talking about.

15:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they they they said it to me. They said that that's what they think is going on. And that's why I because I was going to go to New Jersey at the time that this was all happening. And then I was like, you know what, not worth it, Not not gonna do that, Not gonna take that chance. But that's a worst case scenario, is some sort of nuclear material, some sort of bad actor. Having said nuclear material, and I know that there have been reports of material god missing, and that is of grave concern.

16:00 Speaker 3: It is, it should be of concerned everybody. I just had an interesting thought. So it's this this comment Gene Sticko. So my guess is Russian testing such broken session antagonizing launching from Kaliningrad enclaves separated by Lithuania on the Baltic Sea. It's a nuke based for Russia as well. It got me thinking that maybe, so this one's clearly a plane, but the other ones, how would you want to capitalize on destabilizing NATO and the West and whatnot? During this flap you have the first event and then you have Russian drones then piggyback on it to test response times.

16:41 Speaker 3: Right, that could just be you know, that could just be some tinfoil. But what it's about what makes more logical sense aliens or some geopolitical stuff considering NATO is doing like nuclear drills this week with strategic bombers flying over from America. They're they're flying over Europe and stuff. So really there's a lot, Yeah, there's a lot more going on in the geopolitical context than just these airports shutting down. There's stuff going on around that. So I don't think do we.

17:20 Speaker 1: Know how long the airport was shut down for.

17:25 Speaker 3: Suble Look, that's actually something I did not find, so let's have a look. Sorry if my typing is very loud.

17:36 Speaker 4: I can't spell.

17:41 Speaker 3: I should have got this before we went on there. Sorry, audience. So nearly four nearly four hours, that is a long time. It is a long time, but like it's also not that long. Considering what they thought.

17:57 Speaker 1: What do you say to the passengers? Do you say I wonder what they said to the passengers. Did they say, listen, we have an unknown craft.

18:07 Speaker 3: An airspace violation, probably some nondescript language where it's yeah, we had an air space vile because it makes it sound more run of the mill if you say it like that, we had an airspace violation and some because they then the passengers are then going to think, oh, it's probably just a plane messed up on approach or.

18:27 Speaker 5: Right.

18:27 Speaker 3: But then when it shuts down for hours and hours. I guess there's two stories, Like there's an initial oh, there's this, and then there's probably after a few hours and the passages are still like, why can we not get off this plane? So there's probably another story, But i'd want to talk to someone who was on one of those planes and find out what they were told. But I haven't seen anybody saying there on one of these planes, so I don't know.

18:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and uh, you know this object, this topic, I mean, this specific topic of the day. I mean again, it doesn't excite me because drones and this whole thing. And we're actually gonna get to this later with the hell fire missile videos. There is a lot of misidentification. And anybody in the UFO community at least that that's worth their salt right and knows what they're talking about, will tell you that ninety five and I'm being very generous with that ninety five ninety five percent of sighting can be explained by prosaic or you know, prosaic objects or normal conditions misidentifications.

19:39 Speaker 1: That last five percent is where the anomalies are, and I'd say it's more like half a percent one percent.

19:48 Speaker 3: I'm very glad you brought up a normalous sightings because that is an excellent segue to our next segment about the unresolved hour video. Yeah, so should we do you have any final thoughts on the on the strength flap.

20:02 Speaker 1: I think we need to be very very careful about using the word UFO when it comes to these drunes. I mean we know that I listen, don't take whatever the government's telling you at face value, do the research, do the independent, trust and verify.

20:22 Speaker 5: Right.

20:23 Speaker 1: But also it's okay if it's just a drone, right, because we have other things to focus on. So part of what we're supposed to be doing is sifting through, pushing everything that's not worth our time to the side. Just because it's the twenty four hour news cycle and it's a headline today doesn't mean that it's actually you know, once you find the answer, it's it's over at that point, like move on, And that's what we're just going to do right now. So let's move on to something a little bit more fun.

20:52 Speaker 3: Let's move on, sir. So let's next. It is next up is I don't have to share my tap for that. So the next is Erro. As you were saying in the intro, they finally updated their doss website. So they finally did an update with a bunch of videos, and I think there was five five resolved videos as balloons. One as a non anomalous phenomenon I guess like some like a lightning bug or something, and then there's one unresolved video. We actually have a government released unresolved video from ERROW, so we're gonna look at it.

21:35 Speaker 3: And I had to make an account with the the the I have not seen Naval Intelligence Video Service or what the dvids to get the high resolution version of this video. So we're gonna go over it right now.

21:49 Speaker 1: I have not seen these videos, so the.

21:54 Speaker 3: All Domin Resolution Office could not identify this. Okay, so this was taken over over the skies of Africa.

22:09 Speaker 1: It's doing weird Digsact Figure eight.

22:13 Speaker 3: So I've been I watched this earlier today and I was trying to figure out is this the camera moving and like the drone flying because obviously it's it's flying, And then is it the camera moving or is it the object moving? And the drone is fairly stationary because you can see it banking there. See what are some.

22:38 Speaker 6: Seizure what's targeting? This looks like a ground based It doesn't look like this is flying.

22:51 Speaker 3: No, you see the top right where it's jangling, So that's the that's the the wing action and the gyro stable against.

23:00 Speaker 1: Oh oh okay, okay, okay, I see it.

23:04 Speaker 3: You can see you can see it, you can Yeah, you can see the bottom ground.

23:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I see I see it.

23:10 Speaker 4: Now.

23:11 Speaker 1: That's interesting, that's interesting. But there's just not enough.

23:17 Speaker 3: Right, there's not enough. I mean, it's a story of Error's life, right, never enough detail. But it's interesting that they would put put that out. I'm kind of questioning, like if if it's you leaving up to the public, Like, if it's unresolved, what's the virtue in releasing it? Are they throwing a bone? Are they trying to, like you said earlier, like breadcrumbs, trying to distract people? Because I don't think in releasing something if they don't know what it is, well, I.

23:50 Speaker 1: Think that that's what the goal of the new guy is. Uh, this Kaslowsky guy, you know, his two predecessors, what of which I'm in contact with. And it's not doctor Evil, I can tell you that. I don't believe you. So both of those guys were they're very very, very very very just not in the community. I think the community looks at them and you know, they're just like the enemy at this point, because they're clearly like some sort of bias is there. They don't take this subject as serious. Maybe and I think the new director is trying to at least show people like, hey, listen, we're gonna put something out.

24:36 Speaker 1: You know, we'll put out what we'll put out one that we we can't figure out, and we'll let you know. And I think he's trying to maybe bridge a relationship with the UFO community truely.

24:48 Speaker 3: Like I'll take that space for it. But it's I want to see more. I mean, I guess that's it's always a thing in the community like more, I need more. But what was the eighth two seconds eighty two seconds of video of like a little Light in the sky. How much money are they getting a year as a funding and that that's what we get? Is that all there is? I doubt it?

25:14 Speaker 1: No, So of course it's Chris Mellen has said that there.

25:18 Speaker 3: Is for I mean, two minds about it. I understand it, but I'm also like, I want more. It's not enough for me to go, yeah, error is doing a good job. I mean, I'm glad that they did something, but it's not enough for me to say, hey, they're doing a great jobs.

25:33 Speaker 1: And and you know, like I said before, it's it's kind of funny because you know, I talk about guys like Chris Miller. Chris Mellin's gone on the record a couple of times. Hey, lover, I hate him, But he said that, you know, he knows that that that the Department Defense has videos that are of you know, ten ADP four K quality of anomalous objects. Now has he seen them? You know, have other people seen them? And and you know, where are they? Why aren't we being shown them? What's preventing them from being shown?

26:10 Speaker 1: Because I don't think I think it's very clear that the Department of Defense has not classified the idea of of alien life. Right, there's people well exactly, but I think that they are being very selective of what gets out and what doesn't get out. And I think, you know, because we saw that there was that that that footage of of a Russian plane dumping fuel on one of our Reaper drones and it was like you could see the pilot on the inside of the fucking Russian craft. Like, So don't so either either up state.

26:49 Speaker 3: We know that is exists and we have the capability. Yeah, we know that we have the capability to capture these things in high definition. So why getting the low reate even that video clip I had to sign up to down load ten ap two and a half meg per second. I know for a fact that camera sensor records in a way high quality. So like again, it's like, are they releasing a just low enough quality to say it's unresolved? But if you had the full Like I'm just confused, why not just release the raw source footage because there's no way we're any records in two and a half megasecond.

27:26 Speaker 3: There's no way.

27:28 Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question. So, all right, everybody knows that Weaponized Weaponized podcast. This week they had that guy, the Dylan Borland who testified at the latest hearing and he told his story there. There's a story that he tells at Langley about this this white light being seen. Right, And obviously orbs have been really like in the news, and and orbs are kind of like what everybody's talking about lately.

28:03 Speaker 3: I got a question, Sorry, but I've got a question. So how do we define an or It's just a light, right, So like when people say they saw an ORB, I feel like that there's a struggle to delineate between like a light. So like so like a light on a drone or what we think of is like, as we'll get to in this this Helphire video, something that looks could at least under that camera setting, looks like not an anomalous blob.

28:36 Speaker 1: Right, I don't I don't know.

28:39 Speaker 3: I mean I say, I feel like orb is a capsule term and we need to do as a community, we need to do better to differentiate between a light and something that actually is morphing and actually looks like an right.

28:53 Speaker 1: Because when I think of an orb, I think of like this gaseous you know, not well, not like morphing, but like something peculiar about it.

29:04 Speaker 3: It's not just a static, it's not a perfect sphere. It's like it's like a globule of liquid.

29:11 Speaker 1: Right. And honestly, I will say some of the videos that Chris I know people liked to throw shade, some of the Chris blood cell videos are pretty like you see that like like it's like it looks like it's like plasma zapping across around and you know, doing something. So I mean, is that an artifact of the camera?

29:36 Speaker 6: You know?

29:36 Speaker 1: These are the things And and if if the government would start releasing videos that that maybe are of more high quality, you know, maybe we could start having real conversations about what these things could be. You know, is it is it something prosaic? Is it are is it? Is it a defense Is it a special access program? You know sort of thing we know that they can do. DARPA is like fifty years ahead of us and in uh in defense technology, So you know, is it some sort of black program? And you know, are they Are they doing what they do because they can do a lot with lasers.

30:15 Speaker 1: They can make the they can make the I don't know what. I'm not a scientist, so I can't explain it too well, but they like charge the particles so much, and then it gives the impression that something's on radar or something's there, and even to the eye it kind of looks like something's there. So I mean, these are capabilities that we do already have, So I mean, what are we dealing with?

30:44 Speaker 3: Well, So one question that just came to mind as you were talking about Chris Bloodsawyer is can you or anybody in the audience tell me the difference between the Chris bloods CE five and the Stephen Grier CE five. Is there a difference? Yeah, because they're both capturing like similar looking things. I say this with quotation mark similar looking things. I'm just curious if, if, what if they're using the same technique or you know, what's what's the similarities and what's the difference is between them?

31:27 Speaker 1: I think they're they're the It's again, it's it's like saying, what what the these psionics guys are doing? Isn't CE five? I think Greer. I think Greer was the first to to to really introduce the idea or or mainstream the idea, because I know it was actually around a little bit before him too, and he popularized it with these protocols I and I think that's what what everyone else is doing. They just don't want to label it CE five because green is very controversial. So if you're if you're I mean, if you're willing to hitch your wagon to his, then I think you're you'd be willing to call it CE five, whereas Blood CE and like Barber, I don't think they're willing to hitch their stuff to.

32:16 Speaker 3: I mean, in terms of the actual technique, there's no difference. You're meditating and this this brings me to my next thing, is is Greer has been caught faking sightings with drones and flares from a plane and stuff. It just gives me. It gives me a lot of pause to look at the Bledsoe story and think it's genuine because I see no substantive difference between the techniques that Greer's outfit and the c setting and stuff that are doing and what the Bloodsows are doing. So if one's faking and another group of getting the same results, can you see why I have questions?

33:03 Speaker 1: Yeah? And I will. So the reason I was bringing all this up is do you did you see the Ross Coultart video of the psionic asset that that he had that green Bereton that was a psionic asset for for what's it called Skywatcher? And this guy, so I listen, I'll say it now. I'll say it now because now he's not answering me, and and and so this guy he was trying to get me to get him a Stretch Limo drive. Yeah, so he was. He was trying. So I was like, listen, I want to have you in the in the podcast studio.

33:46 Speaker 1: I want to have you here. You're gonna be here, You're gonna be two hours away. You know, how can I get you here? So he wanted me to rent this stretch limo for him and his ladies as he called it, to come here for so two hours here, two hours back. And obviously the limo would have to stay in the area while we do the show because it's not going to take off and then drive back here to get them. It doesn't make sense. So I would have had to pay for like eight hours of limo. So the cost was like seventeen eighteen hundred dollars just to get him here.

34:26 Speaker 1: And so apparently now after the News Nation video that he did that he apparently shows an alien being, he's now on Patreon selling a psionic asset logs for five hundred dollars. So if you guys, if you guys in the chack can't share two dollars with us to keep the lights on, and you spend five hundred dollars to give a fucking psionic asset who By the way, I have not been able to find their DD two fourteen, and I do not know if they're actually in the military or are in the military. I hope that they wouldn't lie about that.

35:03 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they did, but I mean, guys, let's let's get our priorities right here right, So Ross Ross has gone full Grier, full Grier.

35:16 Speaker 3: Imagine my shock.

35:18 Speaker 1: Well Ross came into the field. There's this very nuts and bolts like journal, you know, hardcore journal from the old days. Even though you know no one wants to talk about how he got ran out of his old job.

35:32 Speaker 3: I was I was very hoping that you were going to bring that out so I didn't have to. Yesh, he got he got run out of sixty minutes Australia for a completely false story alleging a sex ring inside the UK House of Lords. He had some source give him all of this story that he ran with without actually fact checking it. The guy that gave him the story ends up going to jail for making it all up on wasting police time. And it's insane. It's in insane story that it makes me. But then I look at like whom News Nation employees like Chris Komo, and I'm like, oh, well that explains a lot.

36:08 Speaker 3: So you know, it's it's not that big of a shark, but it is. See.

36:13 Speaker 1: So yeah, and and and he had told me in the chat, in the chat that we had that the video that he was going to drop was going to change the world. And I'm looking around and I'm wondering,

36:31 Speaker 1: did the world change and I missed it?

36:34 Speaker 3: I mean, you know what you want? My first gut reaction to that video.

36:37 Speaker 1: Is there any where we could pull the clip up?

36:40 Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure, So I'll explain my my take while I grab it. So you know, when you're when it's raining on a window, and yes, you put your camera up to it, up on the glass and you're filming through the water droplets on the glass and you slide the camera slide and you get all these different reflections and stuff. That's what that video reminds me of. Like first reaction was, Oh, that's just that. And I say this because I take a lot of like weather photos and weather videos, so I've done that a lot, Like I've had to try and get my camera to look through a little gap in a bit of glass to get past the rain drops.

37:20 Speaker 3: So I it was a kind of a unique thing that I like, I know, I know that visual interesting. What was it? What was his name, Matt Batista, right, Michael Batista, Michael Batista.

37:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, And while he's bringing that up, guys, so carri So I filmed an interview with doctor Greg Rogers, and we'll be talking about him in a minute. We have a bunch of topics still to go half the show. I mean, I'm sorry, I don't know what I was just about to say. We released that episode with doctor Greg Rodgers last night on YouTube, so definitely after this show check that out. Cary did such a good job with the editing and the mixing and fixing some of the focus issue that I saw that some of you guys noticed, which is embarrassing, but no, we have we have much much planned and it was a very I shot that at Contact in the desert in the hotel room before the day, but the day the day that I was doing like twelve other interviews, so there was a lot in my mind that day.

38:24 Speaker 1: So we got I think we got the video from NewsNation. Here, we had the content that Ross is now promoting. This is the guy who came into the field and questioned everything was very nuts and bolts. You know. People liked him because he had the accent, and he did a very smart thing by pairing himself up with someone who is very likable like Bryce Sable.

38:48 Speaker 3: Yes I was actually that was a master streak.

38:50 Speaker 1: Faster, So he's smart. I'll give him that. Sorry, let's play this, bad.

38:55 Speaker 3: Boy, Let's play this. So think of this from the context of water on the window.

39:00 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, what is Oh my god? Oh I see it now, Holy shit. It's just it's like a fucking candle on the outside.

39:18 Speaker 3: He's saying, it's just it's a street light. There's a house or building over there, and then there's a street light.

39:26 Speaker 1: Yeah.

39:26 Speaker 3: He's moving his camera through like, uh, it's just on a pane of glass with water.

39:32 Speaker 1: Oh my god.

39:35 Speaker 3: Like that was my instinct, gut reaction. I was like, I know what that is. Like I could be totally wrong, but like, that's what that looks like.

39:42 Speaker 1: Guys. Does anyone think that that is an alien? I would, honestly, I would believe the Las Vegas alien video before I fucking believe this thing. And that's saying a lot. That is saying a.

39:59 Speaker 7: Lot that looks yeah, what you know, and thinking though, now that you say it, it looks like there's so what his what his claim was is that he pulled out his phone just he asked if he could film them, can it?

40:20 Speaker 3: Yes?

40:21 Speaker 1: But they said, they being the aliens, they said only if you put your dog away, what dude.

40:32 Speaker 3: Liars And this is the same guy that wants a limo for him and his.

40:35 Speaker 1: Girls, yes six for sixteen to be charged.

40:39 Speaker 3: How do they communicate with him?

40:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, well through his through through meditation, So again back to that C five style. What he's claiming his ability is is to be able to connect with them on a on a psionic level, on a on a level through telepathy and call these things in and he says that he's basically he said that they landed for him in this video. They said you can record us, but only if you put your dog away, which seems like a really bizarre fucking detail. The liars put things. A good liar someone who knows they're lying and they're making a story, they'll include these really obscure, weird details.

41:27 Speaker 3: And I think it makes them sound more genuine but nice, like you wouldn't if you were telling like a truthful story. It's not details that you would like think are important.

41:38 Speaker 1: Sorry, that's that's the trick, is they communicate with the girls. I shouldn't have been putting the girls down. Uh that's the cold maybe down? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I listen. I will say this for my total disclosure brethren. I did say that I would drive to him, and he said, no, that's a security.

42:01 Speaker 3: Risk because you're such a dangerous person. Time so dangerous, it's so dangerous.

42:08 Speaker 1: A So that's that's. That's that. And he's ghosting me now, So I don't I don't even care. I don't once I saw a video. So he was trying to get me to play because someone and this is my problem with the UFO community right now, someone's telling him that this is okay to do that, this is how it's done. So what he was trying to do is get me to be so excited as a UFO believer that I would jump and spend whenever I needed to to get him here. But that's not me, I I I am. I am very stingy. There's you know.

42:49 Speaker 3: Of like like we we've kind of created like a UFO culture that incentivizes this kind of behavior because we seem to equate like shows with money as being shows of quality.

43:02 Speaker 1: Yes, And.

43:05 Speaker 3: It creates like a space for people to go, oh, well, you you've obviously got money, you get all these guests, therefore you can pay me for my story. And it creates his echos, this cottage industry, and I say it a lot like in the Secret Space program Insider Space, where people will come forward with a very similar kind of story, like oh, I channeled Aliens and I went off and did a twenty year service and came back. It's the same stick because there's a profit incentive for people who want content.

43:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I know who's somewhat of a friend to the show. But Jesse Michaels is someone that comes to someone you are Cannon.

43:45 Speaker 1: I'm Cannon in American Alchemy. Now.

43:49 Speaker 3: I don't know if if he pays people for their time, but it strikes me as a show with so much money that it attracts people with crazy stories who want to sell their crazy story because they know that he comes from like the Peter Teele money empire. Now I have anything personal against Jesse, and you know, anything I've ever tweeted at him is purely on a fact basis, not on a personal one. So I just I think that we could do better as a community about like the culture we're creating where we create space for these insane people to come forward with insane stories that these aren't the stories we're going to see in Congress, because that prove that you know, you hear them once and you go, this person is crazy, like any normal person would hear.

44:37 Speaker 3: Oh, I've been taken off to Mars for twenty years where I was abused by the Grays and made to do slave labor and then set back on a craft and there was there was only white people in my craft, like these are some of the stories you hear in the Secret Space program inside the space and it's they're completely incentivized by the money machine and the content creation machine. And to save myself going too far on that run, I'll stop it there.

45:04 Speaker 1: But well, there's clearly money to be made. People are willing to spend money on their will, their their wont to believe. It's it's it's it's dangerous, and some people don't realize that they're emptying their wallets for these guys like Greer. Just you know, they're spending thirteen fourteen hundred dollars for a weekend of meditation and him talking at you, not to you, but at you. Right, he's talking at you about all the great things and every single thing that he's ever done, and how he's involved in every single uf big UFO store.

45:45 Speaker 1: He needs to insert himself into every single narrative because like like I said, he's he's built this whole idea in his fan base or his followers that he is the only way to closure happens. And I mean it's it really like I said, That's why I really loved your film Dark Alliance, because it did finally shine a light into a very very dark corner of this seemingly like very inclusive topic. And there are guys like Uap Gerb that do wonderful work the Jesse Michaels, you know what, the video on T Townsend Brown.

46:32 Speaker 1: I love that video. I could watch that one hundred times and not be bored. No do I think all these people are here because they want the answers to the existential questions of the universe.

46:47 Speaker 3: No, No, I think I think on like a base level they do. But I think it gets overridden with the profit motive. Right, Oh, I can get a load of money along the way, not realizing that the along the way has been going on for eighty years, Like there is no like, Oh, I'll do this for three years. I'll get the truth and I'll get out that that's not a thing, Like there's always a joke in the uthology like you can check in or you can check out, but you can you can never leave once you're once. Yeah, once you're in, you're in.

47:21 Speaker 3: And it's very it seems it's extremely hard to leave the topic because of this never ending Oh we're almost there, guys, discuss it's going to be a big year for disclosure, big year for disclosure, and it's it's not a big year for disclosure, would be an actual mass sighting over a huge city.

47:42 Speaker 1: That's what we really need is another Phoenix lights incident happening to like tomorrow with smartphones and and listen, I did make a joke in the in the intro about three eye out lists, and you know this is the time where you shouldn't drink the kool aid, right, that's just you know, if you if you don't know what I mean, wink wink. I don't want to get us to monetize or anything. But you know, there there are people that like will take, like have taken their lives to do these really weird culty things.

48:18 Speaker 1: You know, with the hail Bob comment, you know that that's a tragedy. What happened those people thought that You know that the the what was it, Heaven's Gate, That Heaven's Gate. They thought they were being told that they were gonna, you know, be brought onto the ship. And maybe they did. Maybe it is an alien spacecraft and we're the ones and we're the idiots down here laughing at them. But they really did go there, who knows. I don't know.

48:45 Speaker 3: But did they leave that, buddies, that's you know, it's like, yeah, well they died. Well this is what I mean, if they died. But like you're saying, what if they did, I mean, yeah, they could be a huge cosmic joke on us, and maybe maybe they've zupped them out of their bodies into some kind of extra dimensional systems.

49:05 Speaker 1: But I do want to I do want to throw it a quick something really quick here. Again, we're still building out the show. We're gonna build in segments and we're gonna refine it.

49:15 Speaker 3: This is a lot of fun.

49:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is definitely episode one. We have one hundred almost two hundred people watching ninety nine percent on x SO at like the halfway mark, guys, I do got to cut the X Please come over on YouTube and watch, please, sport. I want to get the word out about this show, We're definitely but listen, there was something about the rapture that this past week. So apparently this guy, this priest was preaching and he said that the rapture was happening, and apparently a bunch of people like started selling their cars and quitting their jobs and they were ready for the rapture and it was huge on TikTok And uh, I mean, did you see that?

49:59 Speaker 3: I did. I think that the people that believe that the raptor is coming, they start selling their possessions and stuff that I feel like that is a symptom of a deeper issue going on with them, where they're ready, like they're ready to leave, They're ready to die, die, ascend, die, what however you want to quantify it. So I I do think it's pretty pretty crazy. But I I mean, maybe we're maybe the rapture did happen and we're we're the roobs that are stuck here.

50:30 Speaker 1: You know, no no one does a fucking no, then there's no good people on fucking earth because no one left first time. Oh anyway, so is there any more? Was there any other videos from from Arrow that were that were of any interest?

50:52 Speaker 3: No, the rest of the rest were just balloons and one was like a non a norm anomalist phenomenon. And I'm like, I don't even need to look at those. You told me what they are in the description, so I didn't even I didn't look.

51:05 Speaker 5: Well.

51:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you guys can go to arrow what is it arrow dot gov.

51:13 Speaker 3: Something like that.

51:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, go to the d O d's website and check out the videos for yourself. If I cannot link them in the description below, post stream because I don't have it there right now. But let's move on to something really quick. Let's move on. I just want to talk about this really quick. I posted it on X the other day and I had a conversation with doctor Greg Rogers, who was this week's this Week's guest on the show, and he brought something up to me. He brought two things up to me that that ended up being subjects that we're talking about tonight.

51:54 Speaker 1: So he him and I were talking on the phone. I don't know do I want to share this video? I think I do, But we were talking about three eye out lists apparently so apparently and I didn't know this. So when you when you see when you see Nickel in something, there's always iron. So when he was talking about the can you hear that?

52:25 Speaker 3: No, yeah, not yet, don't hear that?

52:28 Speaker 1: No we can Okay, So what the point he's making is that three eye out lists in in in the universe, you don't see nickel without iron. They're always together, right, unless by some sort of manufacturing process you separate the two, like we do here on Earth, when we separate the nickel and turn it into alloys and make spacecraft with them, and we actually do. Now, iron is very dense, it's heavy, and it's coroni, so it's not good material for spacecraft or anything that's going to be in the vacuum of space so or anywhere else.

53:10 Speaker 1: And the composition that is coming back on three iye at lists, so aside from its really really weird trajectory and it being an interstellar object, it's got a composition that has nickel but no iron. Now, what doctor Rogers tells me is that that is very, very important, and we could just listen to this real quick. I think you are very I think you're talking about the health fire. That's a big year. But pause that what does that have to do with three eye out lists? Oh?

53:44 Speaker 2: No, three eye at lists that's a whole other thing. But my viewpoint on that is, you know, I'll be load. We can talk about the trajectory, and you know, even the carbon diox side, the water ratio is an amazing anomal because normally it's three to one water to CO two and now the CO two is eight to one to the water. So yeah, that's a big thing, but it's totally backwards. But the universe does not make nickel without making iron. Now, then we have to industrially do a bunch of stuff to separate the nickel from the iron.

54:29 Speaker 2: And then for our spacecraft where you're going to use nickel alloys for the Space Shuttle, for the Voyagers one and two, for the New Horizon spacecraft. When we launch satellites, we use nickel, but you don't use any iron. Iron is heavy and it's corrosive, so it's not used on spacecraft. If the voyager eventually strays into another solar system and some intelligent civilization watches it, it's going to give a nickel signature without iron, and they're gonna, know, what do you think we're seeing with three I at lists there's no iron.

55:17 Speaker 2: So it's not a natural process because the nature. Every time it makes iron, it's also going to make nickel.

55:25 Speaker 1: Holy shit, are you saying that this is something weird.

55:29 Speaker 2: I'm saying that is exactly weird.

55:34 Speaker 1: And then I just I had to quickly stop that because I did share something very very private with him after that. But so he so this is a man that worked with NASA Chief of Aerospace Medicine, chief light surgeon, was you know, also has some experience with chemical is it chemical engineering? I think so, you know, as as someone who does have that kind of wherewithal an expertise. When he did say it, I was like, Okay, you're you're raising some good points. Do I think it really is some sort of probe?

56:14 Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't do. I want it to be. Hell fucking yeah, I do. But what's.

56:23 Speaker 6: So?

56:24 Speaker 3: I do think the the alloy issue is interesting. I've been thinking about it ever since you posted it, like how how something like that would work? And it reminded me of I can't remember if it was like the meta materials or there was something where there's a material that came from like a meteorite that was clearly made in the different kind of gravity. Well, because of the alignment of the part of the atoms. It could only be made in like a different, different part of space. And it's got me thinking like, well, uh, we're talking about the separation process between nickel and iron, right right, and that's we're understanding that process in terms of like Earth and Earth's gravity well, Earth's gravity well and our Sun's gravity well in how elements are formed and bonded, whereas we don't know that this thing could have come from some other part of space where nickel can form without ion, Like I feel like we need to have space for that because we we don't know that it's not.

57:36 Speaker 3: So it's I'm kind of I'm skeptical. I think it's probably probably just like part of a comet or part of an asteroid that's busted off and it's stumbling. I do. I do think it's very interesting that there is no no iron, But I'm I'm open to a prosaic explanation that has to do with kind of spatial I don't know what conditions or dynamics.

58:03 Speaker 1: Saying that you know, a different star could be, right, we should We shouldn't just look through the human lens like, hey, we've never seen it, so it can't be possible.

58:14 Speaker 3: Right, That's what I'm getting is so we understand the process because we do it here on Earth where elements form a certain way, and out in space they could form in a different way and we don't know it. So like I feel like, is that more plausible than it being an alien probe? Wellbe you know, yeah, possibly, yeah.

58:34 Speaker 1: And it's going to make its closest approach, I believe October, if I'm not mistaken. So we have a lot of Thursdays till then, or at least four, So obviously we'll be you.

58:50 Speaker 3: Know, well as we go week to week, and we'll we'll keep the audience up to date and we'll have a hopefully good conversation about it because it's very interesting. I mean, I think it's closer and we can scan it more accurately, we'll get a clearer picture. Maybe there is iron there and we're just not scanning it properly. We don't.

59:10 Speaker 1: Well, you know what's interesting is now I have this I have this theory theory. It's very loose. I mean, don't take me at, you know, at full face value, because I'm still kind of producing it. But I always said that it was weird that after twenty seventeen, it does seem like they are drip feeding us and kind of getting us ready for something. Now have UFOs been around since before twenty seventeen?

59:44 Speaker 3: Of course, I've just got to point out that was very millinarian of you. What does that mean, the belief that there is like a coming golden age or there is something coming and you know there's an event coming, right, So yeah, yeah, it's a millinary in tendency. I see, And you followed you all the time of oh this is you know, this is going to be a great year for disclosure. This is disclosure is coming. You know all of this. It's millenary and tenets. I just wanted to point that out.

1:00:16 Speaker 1: But could the government be aware? Could the military industrial complex or government dark but whoever the deep state is, whatever that is, whatever capacity you want to call it, the illuminati? Could they have figured out that something was eventually going to make its way here and it was going to become very apparent, and to avoid some sort of chaotic disclosure, they would drip feed us this idea that we are not alone and you know, kind of mold and get the playing field ready for an inevitable kind of forced disclosure, because I don't think it's up to us to disclose.

1:01:01 Speaker 1: I think if there is something here, they're the ones in charge of whether they're going to come out or not. And I mean it raises a good question if the Grays and those nord Eggs or whatever, if those things are truly here and they don't intervene, and they you know, and they know something also coming, could they be here to witness what civilizations meeting, what that looks like, because it only happens so few times, you know, because age of the universe, the distance between planets and dimensionalities, and the technology it would take to actually pull these kind of things off.

1:01:44 Speaker 1: So could they want to have always said this? Are they here to witness the end of the world? Right? They seem to be attracted to our nukes? Are they here to stop something? Or are they here to observe something? And I don't think it's out of the realm of possible that something they know was on its was going to be on its way or was on its way, is on its way and has been for a long time, and they just they got here. They can leave and come and go, and you know, our government then figured it out as well, and now you know they're priving the field.

1:02:22 Speaker 1: They kept it, you know, locked up as long as they could, but now they needed to start that society needed to be kind of read into the program, if you will.

1:02:32 Speaker 3: So are you saying that they've known about Triatlis's approach for a long time?

1:02:39 Speaker 1: It's what I'm posing, yes, And it's maybe why we keep sending up these So we fast tracked James Webb. People don't like remember that, but we took a real chance getting up as quick as we did, and it wasn't a guarantee that when it unfolded that it wasn't just going to smash apart. So why did we rush web up there?

1:03:04 Speaker 3: Why? Why?

1:03:05 Speaker 1: Why? Why? Is Dobbs are allowing people like David Grosh and Luel Azando.

1:03:12 Speaker 3: Or okay, okay, do you know what? Do you know what dob is?

1:03:17 Speaker 1: I do? I'm very aware of what the art.

1:03:20 Speaker 3: You are allowed. I know and I know you know, but I feel like the audience needs to hear it because I'm going to beat him over the head with it until they understand it. I love the audience, but the audience needs to understand these things. One question is my camera frozen.

1:03:34 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. Actually okay, it's not me for once.

1:03:38 Speaker 3: I know it's strange. Let me let me switch it out one second, but you.

1:03:44 Speaker 1: Listen, So I'll say this before you get into your whole little smash on Dobster. I am not saying that Dobbster is the one that is allowing it. I'm just saying that it seems weird that if I mean, they're what they're talking about now with crash retrieval, I mean, the Dobster isn't saying okay, go talk about it. They're just saying it's not classified. What you're talking about is not inherently classified. So you know, we you know, we can't stop you from from talking about that as a as a private citizen or as you know, as a private citizen talking about it in the capacity of having the hindsight of being in the military and and and the n r O and Space Force.

1:04:34 Speaker 1: So I think it's very interesting that, you know, all of a sudden, just the floodgates opened and we have all this video, all this all these quote unquote whistle blowers. And I don't think if you go through Dobster you are a whistleblower. I think you are, whether you believe it or not, you are an agent of the d O D. You might not be peddling exactly what they want, but there's a what they are saying, you're good to go talk about this. That's my belief.

1:05:06 Speaker 3: Okay, here's my understanding of Dobson, and I might be wrong here, but they're like Remit, their purpose is not to say, hey, you're okay to go talk about this. Their purpose is to look at what you're going to say and verify that there's nothing classified within what you're going to say, not whether what you're going to say is truthful or not. And I feel like that that serves propaganda purposes, it can serve personal financial purposes. So I feel like it's something I really really need the audience to understand, is that just because dops are clear something does not mean that it's factual or truthful.

1:05:49 Speaker 3: It just means that there was nothing classified in that document that they had to flag. That's that's their only purpose is to flag classified material in the doctor fields.

1:06:00 Speaker 1: Okay, So what you're saying is you don't think David Grush saying that we have that the US government is in possession of non human biologics and that we absolutely have a crash retrieval program. You don't think that that is something they would want not to be talked about, because well, it's It raises an interesting question because if they do say you can't talk about it, then we know it's true, right because when asked that question, Hey, David Grush, do we have crash retrieval programs? I'm sorry, I can't talk about that.

1:06:42 Speaker 1: That's for me whenever that said, that's a yes we do, and I think for everyone else that that's the case anytime this congressional hearings happened and someone says, sorry, I'm about to speak about that in a skiff, I.

1:06:56 Speaker 3: Think because if they so like Grush is put in, oh I want to talk about this stuff, and they clear him, and we're saying, oh, if it was true, they wouldn't want it out or they couldn't tell him not to because then it reveals the existence of it. So this is a sticky area where it's it's kind of it's like confirmed any way you look at it, even though there's no no proof other than the guy saying it. So like if he's made he's making a claim that there's there's biologics right now. If that's not true, then it is not a classified thing.

1:07:33 Speaker 3: Therefore they can't tell him not to say it.

1:07:37 Speaker 1: Also a good point also, it's well, you know, yeah, because I guess you could. Well, that is actually really good point. So it is kind of what the Yeah, Donnie, I would say that it's a catch twenty two.

1:07:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a catch twenty two or catch twenty Well, it's used as a catch twenty two by UFO content creators and people in this sphere. They use the trappings of DOPSA and the kind of ambiguity and misunderstanding of the by the public of this process to say, oh, well, dops are approved it, and then people run with it and go, oh my god, doptsor approved it. It's all true, and it's like, no, it just wasn't classified. That actually leads me to believe it's probably not true. If dops aren't turning around and going no, that's a classified thing,

1:08:24 Speaker 3: it's probably not true. You're mute, sir.

1:08:30 Speaker 1: I just realized that my door to the studio is open and my dog is in here, but I don't see them, So what Yeah, my studio door is open, and I don't know. I can't see my dog. So give me one moment, a different start.

1:08:49 Speaker 3: I'll start prepping the next story. Hell, everybody always an adventure here, always adventure here.

1:09:00 Speaker 1: I got them, all right, everybody. Logan is safe. Logan is safe. So the door is closed. I was like, it looked open from here, and I just had a fucking mini panic attack.

1:09:11 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So to save us, to save us, going too too long? So the you wanted to bring up the boogosphere carbon dating?

1:09:22 Speaker 1: Yes, do you have the do you have the I do you have the report? Yes? All right, guys, literally if you know so, probably at an hour and fifteen, I'm gonna cut the Twitter feed. If you would come over to YouTube, it would really help. And again, any uh any donations are really really helpful. We'll be here every Thursday for the foreseeable future and it's gonna be really.

1:09:53 Speaker 3: I've tried to do it, all right.

1:09:55 Speaker 1: You might have to make that big.

1:09:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not the highest quality copy of it. So I ran this through a channel friend Rock Expert, who told me a bunch of stuff about this document. It's a legitimate document. The people involved in it are legitimate scientists. They are accredited. I was actually quite surprised because up until now this whole boogles fare thing has seemed booky, spooky and bookie. But no, so this report is real. It's carbondated to what it is. But it's very important to note that this is a carbon dating of let me switch tabersecond, it's a carbon dating of this these resin dots on the bottom of the sphere, not of the metal itself.

1:10:48 Speaker 3: So I know I'm sharing a doctor Stephen Greer tweet. I feel horrible inside on the repent later. But it's just important to note that like in can exist for thousands of years. Have you sayn Jurassic Park, Yeah, that's you know, that's the amber. Amber resin is, you know.

1:11:09 Speaker 1: And if this thing hit the ground, if it if it fell, you know, or or and let's say it is something anomalous and it was in the air and it comes crashing down and then something some like resin gets lodged in it. Uh, you know, it could be anomalous some sort of anomalous uh technology. But this carbon dating doesn't really say anything.

1:11:36 Speaker 3: Right, it's it's it's yeah, it's kind of inconclusive to a point where we yeah, we because if you look, I mean, if you look closely, you can kind of see like, yeah, can we get it's gonna give me a second, Let's do this the other way.

1:11:52 Speaker 1: It looks like it looks imperfect.

1:11:56 Speaker 3: Well, it looks like I'll be honest, it looks like so it looks like a circuit soldering.

1:12:03 Speaker 1: I mean, that looks exactly like a circuit, right it does.

1:12:07 Speaker 3: And then but then it's got instead of solder, it's got resin, which is interesting because then they test the resin and they find out it's super duper role. But resin can last for a very very very long time and be stored for a very long time. So if this is man made and they put some I mean, what I would want to do is find out where this resin came from. What's the composition of this resin? Does it match anywhere on Earth or known resin samples of Earth? I guess that's the next the next step in finding out what this thing is.

1:12:39 Speaker 3: But it's this, this is not conclusive in any way. And you know, seeing someone like Stephen Grier sharing and like, oh my god, it's confirmed. It's twelve thousand years old. No, it was Mitch McConnell. Yeah, man, you're you're you're on a roll with Mitch mcconnald today. Where are we there? We go?

1:13:00 Speaker 1: So and and I think a real big so and listen, I don't think the fact that that the resin says it's this age is you know, I don't. I don't think that that discounts that if this this could be I mean, could this be an artifact of some sort of ancient civilization? Could could this be something that we we came across.

1:13:26 Speaker 3: I mean that raises that raises questions about manufacturing processes. Well, of course, yeah, of course. I feel like that gets us to like the pyramids whatever, How are they building these kinds of things meso America?

1:13:40 Speaker 1: Right? And but so, and that's my point is I think that we we do owe it. I mean, when I talked to Burleson about it, he went down and saw this thing and touched held in and you know, examined it. He said that it wasn't that it didn't impress him. So make of that what you will. It didn't impress uh, Congressman Congressman Burlison, you know, And and I don't think it's see what doesn't help this case is that himI Mussan and the Greer are attached to it. Two people who have been caught doing stuff that has been either debunked or genuinely like knowingly hoaxed, like the Little Alien got the little the Greer with the Little Alien and Gary Malin and then himI with the the other.

1:14:40 Speaker 1: Yeah. There, no, there was that that there was an original one of this mummy.

1:14:48 Speaker 3: The mummy the Emory Smith turned up to a conference and the figurine model.

1:14:54 Speaker 1: That's the Yeah, that's the Greer one. himI if you look it up. Himie was peddling this thing and they sold tickets and all the shit, and they showed this picture of a mummy and it turned out to be a picture of a mummy that was in some museum and it was of a disfigured like young boy. But Dolan was Richard Dolan. This is the one crazy part. They got Richard Dolan involved in it, and and that's like the one blemish that I know of on his record, and that's why I think he stays far away from a lot of this.

1:15:34 Speaker 1: No, it was maybe someone in the chat can help us chat, but they were hiding and all them. They did this like big auditorium thing and they showed this picture and it was a mummy inside of like a closed thing. And it turns out that it was on some sort of it was it was at some sort of natural museum history. It was just a photo out of that and they like change the colors and stuff.

1:16:05 Speaker 3: So they took they took a photo and photoshopped it to look more alien and then.

1:16:10 Speaker 1: Something like that. Yeah, something like that happened. So yeah, a child mummy. I think that he remembers it. So himI has been he's been known and listen, I don't think that himI. I'm not saying he's an evil guy. He's not the Egyptologist what's that name, zich. I don't think he's like evil like Zachie Halases who. But but I do think that that that himI is a TV show host, and you know he needs to like ratings, ratings, ratings, right, this is I know.

1:16:50 Speaker 3: That Moti and this this ship started with Prometheus Entertainment in two thousand and six when they started Ancient Aliens and they started humping out bullshit, bullshit alien things to millions and millions of people on the History channel.

1:17:08 Speaker 1: Oh that is it. They cropped out the card that identified that it was a child mummery mummy, and then they blurred it.

1:17:15 Speaker 3: Up a little bit imagine shot.

1:17:18 Speaker 5: Yeah.

1:17:18 Speaker 1: So and then and and they got dude, they sold tickets that like it was this big breaking like you know, like disclosure is inevitable kind of event that they were gonna reveal proof of an alien species. And then like a day later, dude, someone's like bing founded, you guys are fucking like it was. It's it's a travesty because these things are always happening in the UFO community. And it's again, have.

1:17:50 Speaker 3: You noticed how all of these things they always seem to come from like older guys or all the older people yep, And it's like they they don't understand how the inter networks. They think it's like, oh, oh I get I can get one over on them. People aren't going to notice. And within ten minutes sometimes you have like like and you see this UPHO videos, like people will pinpoint the flight, will altitude, what direction, everything within like five ten minutes because we have the technology to do that.

1:18:19 Speaker 3: Now, well that's like the people, right.

1:18:23 Speaker 1: Like people they tried to pass off those guys are truly, truly fraudsters. And again I don't yeah, not even I don't think it. I don't think it's a surprise to anyone that they hook their belt and their wagon to doctor career and make all these prou documentaries with them and the Cousin brothers. I mean, the they're they're they were so sloppy with their work and it's like these people are just what they're doing is they're clicking. They're getting the clicks. They're they're they're turning a profit off of that ad revenue and the donations for people who want to believe, and then that leads way to the secret space program stuff and all these other grifts that have have have been known.

1:19:12 Speaker 1: Like there's a reason that people laugh at the UFO community. There there's I mean, we haven't done a good job of I mean, there are great people in the field, Like there are great people, but there are so many fraudsters and and and people that are are are literally just trying to and and you know, get attention and uh tell you there's some sort of star seed from Alpha Centauri. It's it's crazy. And and then when the real stuff comes along and that That's what makes me think, like is it a sy op?

1:19:50 Speaker 1: Because I mean, yeah, it gets debunked or it gets lumped in with everything else, and you know, people laugh at it and they're like, oh yeah, okay, sure, sure, sure, you know, just just crazy Uncle Dave that Thanksgiving talking about There's.

1:20:12 Speaker 3: Been an icy effort to kind of manage the community ever since Keyho went on that interview and started naming names. Right, yes, so we're seven decades into into this. I would call the whole thing a sign because there was there was a concerted operation to manage the public perception of the topic through blue Book and and through that mechanism. What just happened. You're muted and you switch cameras. It's always a bundle of inventions here and disclosed what was I saying?

1:20:49 Speaker 3: I can't hear so Keyho? Right, So the cover up, the psychological cover up, started with Keyho in and making you concerned that because if you look at the timing of Keyho doing that, right after that is when all of these alien contact he started coming forward, like Fantassel and the Damski and all, so I almost see that stuff, so that there was a bifurcation in the past you had just euthology was just the thing. Then you've got this new age branch that is way more fantastical and attractive because it plays the people's faith like that, you know, and it played on White America's faith in the fifties and led people into you know, that that that primed people.

1:21:43 Speaker 3: Is that as it moved into like the sixties kind of counterculture era where it became cool and hip to question the man, and the idea of a government cover up was a lot, especially after JFK, was a lot easier to believe, even though I mean, even if, even though though that point we really had was like Betty and Bonnie Hill, you know, and I guess and I guess, you know, I guess Malmstroam happened and stuff. But we didn't hear about that until ninety five.

1:22:09 Speaker 1: So right, I mean Pathca Goula. I think the seventies were probably a really good time for But the seventies had a lot of abduction. Like the seventies, there was the I mean, there's a giant there. There's a giant data set from the seventies from from Isn't.

1:22:30 Speaker 3: It interesting how abduction stories massively increased after the introduction of psychedelics to the culture.

1:22:36 Speaker 1: It's that is actually pretty interesting. And I will say, as someone who has done psychedelics and I've done d MT, with DMT, like I literally shot out of the like let's call it the crown chakra, just so you know people can understand what I mean. Like, it literally felt like I shot out through the crown chakra of my of my head. Yeah, like Reed Richard's yeah, my galactus. And then all of a sudden, I'm in this this realm, and Carrie, I kid you, not this place whenever it was And again I am I am hard to like I have a very very tight grip on reality.

1:23:28 Speaker 1: I'm very very grounded. And even though I have had a UFO sighting and I did have something weird happened to me when my mom died, when when I was in the room with her, that has raised my bar so high because I know what I have seen that when I had this experience with d MT, I mean that felt the most real out of all of them. I went somewhere and and it was I'm color blind. There was colors I'd never seen before. Look, there was things that it just like fractals, and it felt like the universe was bent around me and I was able to walk on this like glass and like this glassy material.

1:24:14 Speaker 1: I only say that because I think it's a good representation. But it was like walking through you know, when you go through like like i'd say, like an aquarium and they have those tunnels where like the aquariums all around you and the fish are swimming all around you, and you walk through the tunnel and the fishes tanks it all around you. It felt like that. But picture of the universe is outside. I'm walking through the tunnel and at the end of the tunnel there's this thing, this being, and I know it's a being because it's standing upright and it's got this like hood thing on.

1:24:51 Speaker 1: And I get up to it. I look into its eyes. It had no eyes. I know, people say machine else I did not see that there was it was. It looked more like the grim fucking Reaper. It had no face, and but I knew in my head that it's it. It was thinking you should not be here right now. You shouldn't be here, And I got like, actually, like I got upset, and I was like, fuck you. I didn't I don't think I said fuck you to him, but I was like, who are you to tell me? Like where I can and can't be? And as soon as I took a step past him, boo, like like a sling shot, I slung back into my body and

1:25:36 Speaker 1: I for like three weeks, I was I just I couldn't stop thinking about it. It was all I could think about how real it was.

1:25:47 Speaker 3: So yeah, I got a couple I got a couple of thoughts about that. So that's that's a very interesting story, similar to the experience I had. So this is the feeling of the extra colors and stuff. Is it's like realer than real? Right? Yes, it was really So it's like it's yeah, it's like being in being in unreality where everything is just it's it's hard to put into words, but it's like you're getting all the sensory input at once and everything is real. Two. Uh, what you described is a non Euclidean space where it's wrapping, where it's like wrapping around you and your awareness is kind of folding through it because it's not do you know the difference between Euclidean and Nuclidean space, So god h And three that you shouldn't be here and standing as I think heimed all in in that like observing but gatekeeping the realm.

1:26:59 Speaker 1: So for anyone who doesn't now him, Noel is the for like Norse mythology. Uh is in the Marvel universe, more famous in the Marvel universe for watching over the Nine realms. And yeah, so basically, uh, yeah, it's a that's a very very good way to say that's a very good way to say it. That's pretty trippy actually, uh, because you know what, another question it raised for me was was I out of my body? Literally? And was it saying to me like, you shouldn't be out of your You're not occupying your body, you shouldn't be here, Like maybe is possession real?

1:27:45 Speaker 1: Did I leave my body and was my body for a moment susceptible to something else and coming in andhabiting it? And then when I came back, then I come back and I'm demon possessed, Like, you know, could there be a correlation there? I think?

1:28:03 Speaker 3: So, I don't know. I think we're going to have to do a few clearing sessions to find out if you are possessed or not.

1:28:11 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's an interesting like, well that I'll be honest, that's what I took from it.

1:28:19 Speaker 3: That's like, did you feel your body went in this experience? Were you just a floating awareness.

1:28:24 Speaker 1: Or well, my body?

1:28:26 Speaker 3: So you have you have a physical avatar in this space.

1:28:29 Speaker 1: I had a physical avatar in the space that resembled I didn't have any mirrors there, but it resembled to the most degree my human body. But the feeling of snapping back into my body gave me the sense that maybe I wasn't. Maybe I my astral If they that you know your death experiences, the people that have those that talk about it a lot that it's kind of like that third person view. You leave your body and if we do that, is that our soul? And is is is that the power of the soul? And is the soul leaving the body?

1:29:10 Speaker 1: And now you know it is open as susceptible to darker forces that that I think are very real. If you don't think evil is real, then you're you're yeah.

1:29:21 Speaker 3: I mean evil is is a I think it's more of an energy signature in people. It's like a certain vibe. Yeah, the the the idea of you shouldn't be here. It's interesting because it's it raises questions like are they in some kind of brain cosmology where they're outside of conventional space time so they can kind of like an interstellar where they can see everywhere. Is it a case of you were you weren't in the right setting, so you hadn't you hadn't done it in the right way. Because it's got me thinking about I read Alien Information Theory by Andrew G. Animal and that talks about how we can look at d M T as a like a technology in that the by by taking it, it's basically creating like a dial up tone in your brain to be able to to It's creating like almost like a digital in if you look at it on a like a informational theory level, it's like allowing a data transfer to happen, right.

1:30:35 Speaker 1: Right, And yeah, I mean these substances, you know, I think I think they do unlock, you know, because and I think anyone can anyone who's done like you know, psilocybin, you know, if not synthetic psilocybe, but where you lose your mind and you know all that stuff. But you know, if you've ever eaten mushrooms are taken acid, so you know, I remember the first time I ever ever took psilocybin, and then you know when it when it wore off. The next day, I was sitting outside, you know, and the grass was kind of like swaying and the uh glow, yeah, the the the trees, you know, and I and I was looking at everything, and it was like I knew I had a different appreciation for what like the bee jumping from flower to flower everything, you know, all of a sudden I could see the the the ecosystem around me, for for the beauty that it is right right, and and for for for actually the very that what humans do is disrupt that natural ecosystem.

1:31:56 Speaker 3: And integra experience where so yeah, you'll know, looking at the system, you are part of the system. I had a similar thing. I actually had a very similar thing on mushrooms, probably about ten years ago, where I had to go walk my friend's dog before like we all came up proper. But as I'm walking the dog, I start to come up and I'm looking at a line of ants on the tree and like I just had this like it was like my consciousness had opened the door. And it wasn't like super trippy, but it was like the perceptual, like I think of it, like, you know, in the first episode of Futurama, Bender has been living in a little cupboard and him he's like, oh, you can stay here, you can have that corner, and then they lean on the button to the door and they've got a whole apartment behind it.

1:32:44 Speaker 3: That's what I feel psychedelics has done.

1:32:47 Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good visual.

1:32:50 Speaker 3: So it's definitely it was definitely some a moment where I just went ah into connectedness with everything, you know, and I carried that energy into the into the rest of the night. And actually, what's funny is that was the same place where I've spoken about this before. So I took acid and then I found Guya dot com. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so that was it was at the same same house. It was like a year later across so well, it was more I'm more thinking of set and settings, so like it was, it was somewhere where I was already consciously comfortable tripping and I was around people I was comfortable tripping with, So to have that kind of come up and interconnected moment, it felt very natural because I was in a very comfortable space and I wonder if this gatekeeping of you shouldn't be here is because you you didn't and I don't.

1:33:55 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what the circumstances of your trip was, but whether it was did you do it in like a spiritual way or did you do it in a I'm getting fucked up with.

1:34:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does matter. It does because there, I've I've done d MT on multiple occasions, and yeah, you're onto something there because and there. I mean, there's a reason why when you take them Mark, Hey, I'll tell you. I'll tell you one last funny story before you move on. I I I when I first moved out of my my my parents house, I didn't go too far. I moved down the street into my friend's actually my best my brother's best friend his house. And they had a fucking pig. And I'm not talking about a teacup pig.

1:34:51 Speaker 1: They thought it was. And this thing was up. It became a fucking hog. I was. I. I was home alone one night and I was like, oh, dude, I'm gonna watch Supernatural. I'm gonna eat this tablet of acid and I'm gonna have a fucking great night. I was so pumped. I get home and it's I'm the only one there. It's just me and Piggy Smalls, And I took the tab of ass. Yeah that was the pig's name. Piggy Smalls shout out Keenan Parlan, you know it. So I take that. Yeah, but I take the acid. I start tripping, and you know how they say like like animals will know when you're high or something.

1:35:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I can unquestionably say that. I believe that wholeheartedly because as soon as I started tripping, this pig started charging me. When I'm like, charging it at me dead on, like I I was jumping to the top of the couch like this, and I'm like, what the fuck is going on? It turned into a demon and the thing just every time I tried to get to you know, get to the refrigerator, this thing would just.

1:36:20 Speaker 3: And what at me chatting?

1:36:22 Speaker 1: And I ended up. Dude, I was so freaked out, and I'll sit I came downstairs because I was like, fuck this, I'm going upstairs, and I remember you were we weren't supposed to smoke in the house, but I was smoking out the window because I didn't want to go down to see that fucking that hell pig and uh when I did go down, dude, this thing was eating a case of CDs. It was like chewing on glass, and I'm just like, what the fuck is going on? Like was the worst trip I've ever had in my life. So if you would do not do not take acid in a home with a pig, they'll do it.

1:37:07 Speaker 1: It's not fun.

1:37:07 Speaker 3: See, I thought I'd had a bad trip, but that's a pretty bad trip. Yeah, dude, it was so fake, the worst trip I ever had. It was like twenty twenty one for my birthday and me and some friends with some acid and we watched Tenant and it was like, yeah, this movie still doesn't make any sense. And now I'm just now I'm hot.

1:37:30 Speaker 1: No, I don't like I can't hear anyone's wrong.

1:37:34 Speaker 3: We turned it off like halfway through because we were just like, this is not a good time, man, this doesn't make any sense. Like the music's really loud and I just want to play. So we end up turning. We end up like going for going for a walk around like the nature Reserve to like get out of your tenant.

1:37:53 Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy? Though? How like you're with someone like when you're on mushrooms. Mushrooms more specific than acid mushrooms, Like you can feel other people's auras and you'll know if someone's like angry or upset, you'll tap into it and and like it will affect you. So that's why if you do take these kind of things, first off, you should you should have a very firm grasp on reality. You should be very comfortable in your own skin. You shouldn't if I mean, if you're borderline personality disorder, you probably shouldn't take acid, mushrooms, d empty or anything that will do something like that to you.

1:38:41 Speaker 1: It's a real problem and we've seen it. So that's my my PSA for the night. Guys. Yeah, so I.

1:38:51 Speaker 3: Want to say we have we have one story, but I know.

1:38:54 Speaker 1: We have we have one final story. But I also have a little banter that I think we could do at the end of the show. Let's jump into that last topic because I got a lot of shit to say about this.

1:39:06 Speaker 3: All right, So this final story is good. So we're gonna play the video. Now you've probably heard ourself. Yeah, so you've probably all heard about it. This the video that was played at the recent congressional hearing of a hell fire missile hitting an quote orb unquote, and the the orb apparently then splits into multiple orbs and then continues. So there's a lot of questions surrounding it. I think we should we should open it up and play the clip from Dr Rogers talking about it, because then I can get into the stuff that I found while looking into it.

1:39:49 Speaker 3: Because last night, so just to explain to the audience last night, when we were were kind of soft locking what we were gonna we're gonna cover today, Tyler brought up a very interesting point to me that heal fire missile is primarily an air to ground missile. It's not it's not an air to wear missile. And this got got a huge problem. This is because it's a problem, and they've got my brain going going, well, how what is that? Is that like a thing? Can they be used in air to it?

1:40:19 Speaker 6: Like?

1:40:19 Speaker 3: Are they misidentifying what kind of missile it was? So I went looking and we'll get to what I found after we play the clip from Dr Rogers. If you have that prepparized prepparized, that's not a word prepared.

1:40:34 Speaker 1: I think I can play it. I didn't clip that part, no, no, no, but I can look at it and I literally have it ready. You can. I record all my phone calls with him, and I want to see if it did you hear that?

1:40:56 Speaker 3: Yep, agreed, they wanted to test it.

1:41:02 Speaker 4: Gland missile, you don't fire and a moving object.

1:41:09 Speaker 5: Now, then if they have upgraded it and they wanted to test it, they would have a video, they would have a drone line and they would.

1:41:21 Speaker 4: Check to see if it would hit it. But so you can see everything. Well, you don't put an explosive in the war head and when it.

1:41:32 Speaker 5: Hits, it doesn't explode, It just bounces off. It bounces off and so you can see the help our missile going out of view to the lower right, and then it knocks the UAV you a the unmanned aerial vehicle. It knocks knocks it off its track. But then if it regains and they continue to follow it, to me, that is completely a test of a new weapon system.

1:42:07 Speaker 4: It is not defense of a maybe vessel.

1:42:12 Speaker 5: If the if the Navy vessel is really wanting to defend itself, air air missile.

1:42:21 Speaker 1: Can canna use one that it knows is going to do the job, not something.

1:42:25 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're not going to use an air to ground missile,

1:42:30 Speaker 5: uh to do this. It was experimental, so m yeah, if they were going to take out a take. Now,

1:42:43 Speaker 5: remember it was released in an unauthorized fashion so they could make it look like it was an actual attack that was being warned off. The Navy doesn't even have to deny it because it wasn't officially released, right, I.

1:43:06 Speaker 1: Don't even have to acknowledge it.

1:43:08 Speaker 5: Yeah, so they don't have to say, oh, that was test footage. They don't have to say anything because they didn't atalize it to be released, and so it was leaked by someone just just just to make.

1:43:24 Speaker 4: It look good. You know that hearing was a dog and pony show, as we've been come ed in the military.

1:43:32 Speaker 1: All Right, all right, all right.

1:43:34 Speaker 3: All right, all right right.

1:43:35 Speaker 1: I'm not going to let you see what I said after that. That's part is private. But essentially what he is saying, and he raises a very very good point, and I think I missed it that part of it. But what he says in the beginning is because I asked him, I go, all right, hey, remember when we had those shootdowns like of the Chinese by balloon and like the UN that all those things. I was like, what missiles did they use because those were air to air, and he goes, yes, they use sidewinder missiles, and we have a clip of them shooting.

1:44:13 Speaker 1: They actually missed the first time, and then they hit the Chinese Spie balloon the second time with a sidewinder. And if this was a real scenario and a real defense of their craft, they would not have been using a hellfire missile, which is an air to ground. So you know that that's meant for like, you know, if you want to take out a bridge, you know, and if you're at warring and you need to take out a bridge or a complex or a target, a target that isn't really moving right, It's that's not what that missile is designed for.

1:44:56 Speaker 1: It's it's designed more or less for air to ground, where the sidewinder is air to air. So again, if this was a real scenario of defensive measures, then they would not be taking a chance by using a hellfire missile. And you see it bounce right off.

1:45:19 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna push back on that notion that that is not a thing. So when you brought this up to me last night, I sat there and thought, that's actually a very good point. Why are they using an air to ground missile to strike something in the air. Is this something that has happened before? And the answer is yes, it's happened three times in twenty six years. Two times was Israel. And we're going to take a look. So where is it? Which So here is an article from May of two thousand and one, So Israel shut down a Lebanese civilian plane, a Cessna one fifty two, for flying towards Israel.

1:46:07 Speaker 3: Bear in mind this was this is pre nine eleven, so that's that's an interesting thing to note. This is pre nine eleven. Israel shot down a plane for entering into restricted airspace. They used a health fire missile to do this, which is is is It's interesting and it could just be a you know, that's what they had on on what you know, on the on the jet or the helicopter. I think it's a helicopter. But it proves that you can you can laser designate this a stense of being an underground missile, and you can laser designate and hit something in the air.

1:46:45 Speaker 3: So I continued looking and I found one other instance of it happening and that we actually we have the video. We have the video of it. I actually have. We have we have video of a health fire missile being fired at a drug so moving. You need to unmute yourself.

1:47:15 Speaker 1: Oh I wasn't talking.

1:47:17 Speaker 3: Oh it cut you off midsense.

1:47:23 Speaker 1: Speaking. Wow, detonates. Sorry, but you see how how on impact it detonates immediately.

1:47:36 Speaker 3: Well, this is what I'm going to get to you. So that's striking something hot. Whereas I I from what I what I think the so what I think.

1:47:49 Speaker 1: That that was just what we just watched that last scenario that was air to ground.

1:47:59 Speaker 3: With this it keeps muting every time I play the video.

1:48:06 Speaker 1: The last thing that it showed looked like it was. So this right here is very much air to air. These these these these are very much so you have permission to gauge the target. Look at that fucking explosion.

1:48:25 Speaker 3: So and then you see it. You see all the debris falling down, You see the draining banking away.

1:48:31 Speaker 1: So another air air to air. This is air to ground though.

1:48:37 Speaker 3: Right here, I'm guessing that I mean that was that.

1:48:51 Speaker 1: It's a good visual to see what.

1:48:53 Speaker 3: Again, what an antaground strike looks like russoks like, yes, And I found that very interesting that, like, it is interesting that they used a health fire missile to destroy or attempt to destroy whatever this thing is in the video from Congress.

1:49:10 Speaker 1: And I want to preface all of this. Everyone knows that Burleson is a good friend of mine. I am not here to say that he's trying to show us things that aren't true. I'm saying that I think that that these videos are being brought to.

1:49:33 Speaker 3: Them and political purpose.

1:49:37 Speaker 1: Yes, so I am a huge fan of Burleson and what he's doing. I really am. He's a great guy. Do I think that dog do I think the hearing was a dog and pony show like Greg does. No. I think Greg's a little salty. If I'm being honest, I think he's salty that he didn't get called to testify. But I mean that's not neither here nor there. And like I said, I'm I will say these kind of things about and Greg's like a family to me and I and.

1:50:05 Speaker 3: That's what I Then it's like, what are we doing right? You have to play the politic game or I don't want to offend this person in this person.

1:50:12 Speaker 1: But he does say this, He does say this about this on this video that we're about to watch the congressional video. He said that again. And even if so if, even if it is a hellfire missile and it's being shot air to air, it doesn't impact. I mean it doesn't. There's no kinetic engagement with like there's no explosion, and that is not indicative of a hellfire missile and what it does. So this is needing him to believe that this was a test of some sort that they did not actually put a charge inside of it, because on impact it should have detonated if it was a hell fire what.

1:50:54 Speaker 3: It depends what it's hitting. So this is this is where it gets into how does a hellfire missile does a NAT's target and know what it's aiming for and it's primarily a laser target. Now I'm going to pose this question all the people that think that this missile was fired at some kind of UAP ORB anomalous thing, tell me how an orb How you can get a laser designation off of something that is not reflecting in a way that's normal, That doesn't you know, it's not a reflective surface. It generally this and this gets into what I was saying earlier about like what we think of as an orb and what's a light?

1:51:34 Speaker 3: Now you're muted, So.

1:51:38 Speaker 1: I said, oh, that's why you brought that up. Yeah, what is an orb?

1:51:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's.

1:51:44 Speaker 1: So that that does raise a good question.

1:51:46 Speaker 3: So how if they are able to laser designate a hell fire missile onto this object, then it is definitely man made because you need a reflective surface to be and something that's actually in a way that isn't bending. You know, it's not like a torsion field. It's not like some kind of em drive that's going to bend the laser designate.

1:52:07 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna yeah, but I'm gonna disagree with you because let's say that these crafts can become physical.

1:52:19 Speaker 3: That that but not reflected in the visual that we have instead of it just looking like an amorphous block like, because the way it looks is it is it. It changes shape upon impact and kind of rolls away. Now, if that's some kind of anomalous em bubble or something, you can't get a laser designate of that. So my question, my personal theory is that it was a balloon, a ray kind of like the Chinese Yukon balloon. Probably a different kind of setup. But the reason it doesn't detonate is because it's literally it's ripping through a canvas.

1:52:55 Speaker 3: It's going so fast that it doesn't even it doesn't even like know it's impacted something because it's like can thin canvas traveler is traveling so fast, and then you've got the parallax, so that here's the other thing. The reason it looks like it's moving is parallax from the drone. So like as the drone is flying and it's moving, it's banking around this object that's now falling. The parallax between the camera and the falling motion of whatever this thing that just got hit the missile makes it look like it's translating forward, but it's not.

1:53:33 Speaker 3: It's just it might be forward, but I think it's it's more of a parallax issue and that the missile just went straight through the balloon, because you even see the missile kind of changes directory directions slightly after coming out of the other side of the balloon, like it's kind of off to the side, And I'm thinking, oh, is that just is that just an effect of like impacting this canvas where the warhead's not having enough pressure on the air like it's hit a hard surface to detonate, Like is this missile program to detonate upon reaching like a zero point on the laser designate or on is it like something that's impact based on the actual cone of the missile.

1:54:17 Speaker 3: So it hit something physical to explode.

1:54:20 Speaker 1: Okay, well, actually I think we.

1:54:22 Speaker 3: Have enough information about that to know. Like and like doctor Rogers said, it could have been a non explosive warhead and that could be why it didn't explode, but it definitely hit a balloon in my opinion.

1:54:35 Speaker 1: Donni raises a good point here. So he Corbell in a Weaponized episode made the comment that he has seen it. And again, you know if this is you know, if you are believe, if you believe what Corbell is saying. And now I think Map said he also saw it. That there's five more minutes of this orb or whatever what this target, let's just call it. This target continues flying for like five more minutes and does not go into the ocean like we're being told by some of the debunkers like Mick West and you know, even Greg for that matter.

1:55:16 Speaker 1: And so what do you say to that? Do you just say that speculation?

1:55:21 Speaker 3: Show it, show it to me, like I am not going to blindly trust these people primarily because of the because of the support of bobblers up. If if I'm going to be brutally honest, it's because of the propping up of Bobblazar in terms of making that the Bobblazar documentary that Corbell made it willfully ignored a lot of problems in Bob's story and only propped up the proof, but then ignored all of the actual other stuff that makes it questionable, like Stanton Friedman that the was the pimp, the pimping execution and stuff.

1:56:00 Speaker 3: So it by ignoring those things, Uh, it's created a massive area of doubt for me with these people. And you know, I've met I've met them, I've met Jeremy, I've met George, not like deeply. I met them at Contact in the desert. It was very fleeting. But yeah, they strike They strike me as people who this is their career. They've decided to build somewhat of a mythology around the stories that they're covering to create prestige for themselves, and that's how they get into Congress to testify and all this stuff, because they've created a prestige for themselves.

1:56:38 Speaker 1: But oh, God, there's so much I want to say that I don't.

1:56:43 Speaker 3: I know, the feeling like I could go on a I could go on a spicy rant. I'm not going to.

1:56:49 Speaker 3: It's okay, but I think we can agree that wilfully ignoring negative aspects of Bobb Lazar's story has harmed Corbelle in the long run.

1:57:01 Speaker 1: All right, well, what do you think about the fact that bizarre Okay, I'm I and I'm genuinely asking this bizarre. I mean, he's not He hasn't written a book. He hasn't done that things like other people in UFO world that they always do, there's always a book. I mean, he hasn't even really, I.

1:57:29 Speaker 3: Mean, isn't like there was a there was ant a biography that came out that he was like heavily involved in that came from the publishing company.

1:57:37 Speaker 1: Right, he has not made money, apparently according to him and according to a lot of people. Now, well, I mean, I mean.

1:57:48 Speaker 3: Very mind is this is a guy that in nineteen ninety six was supposed to interview with Nippon TV and he absolutely was so weird to them and then ghosted them. So like he has a pattern for a long time of having he is a weird guy, and that is the fact that he's a weird guy. I don't think we should be holding him to the standard of like, oh like of like a normal person in this situation because he is demonstratably very weird and he also put he is a very smart dude.

1:58:18 Speaker 1: But he can also put jets on a car, and he can also do these things.

1:58:24 Speaker 3: A car is not a UFO witness make you.

1:58:27 Speaker 1: Know, okay, but this is you don't now hear me out on this again. This is I like wherever I listen. I like that we disagree, me too.

1:58:37 Speaker 3: I mean I frequal dialogue, and I like that the people get to see us have this kind of dialogue.

1:58:42 Speaker 1: Do I believe one hundred percent that Boblezar is and did everything he said he does or had did has done. No. I do not. However, you don't think that there is any or or you don't think that you don't This is the perfect guy. This is a guy if if you need it to discredit him, right, and you needed him to to to you needed someone who thought outside of the normal box, right, and you also needed him to be kind of like all right, just in case we need to be able to throw this guy under the bus, because he's only gonna be here temporarily.

1:59:27 Speaker 1: We just need him to do this one thing, to crack this one little piece, and then you know, we'll go on like we don't know the whole story. And I think it's very plausible that after his article in after the article in that Sandy Nash or or whatever, that that story is. I can't quote it verbatim, but he's on the front page, you know, and he and he builds a jet car and also yeah, yeah, those alamos and that he was in fact, Now he might not. Maybe he did embellish his his school history. Maybe he did, right, but I don't think that that is also indicted.

2:00:12 Speaker 1: But yeah, I could go on.

2:00:16 Speaker 3: To give balance to the other side. The one thing with bobb Leazar's story this always kept me, giving me like one percent space in my brain that he knew something is the fact he was able to take ye, take gene Haaf from people out into the desert and know when these test flights are going to take place and then and film them. That is interesting, like it is, but it's not impossible that someone could have told him. It's not impossible that this information could have come from somewhere else, and he's, oh, guys, yeah, I mean it could have come from John let It could mean he could have found out like what the flight times for Gianet Airlines work, and then extrapolated out that, oh there's a gap in the flights.

2:01:04 Speaker 3: Maybe they're doing test flights at that time, and then he goes out sees it and then goes hey, Bob, and then Bob tears, Oh, you know, I'll take people out there. There is there's a lot that we don't know.

2:01:16 Speaker 1: There is. There is a guy that does say that he saw Bob on the Janet air Airline flights. In however, I think it could be that there's a lot of room and and and there. I mean, memory is fallible, it's it's definitely not perfect. So you know, could he could it have been look because Bob does kind of look like not not classic science, but you know the big glasses. They could that looked like him. Maybe, But there are I mean there there or it could be someone like the Cordy Good situation where they're they're trying to get in on the lie too right in situation.

2:02:03 Speaker 3: Was actually on Janet flights or is this someone just saying this.

2:02:08 Speaker 1: Was confirmed.

2:02:10 Speaker 3: This was a bona fide employee of the d O D or a gen G like who did they work for?

2:02:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, something, It was one of the two that was he was a contractor, former military you know, uh, and and was verified to some degree. You know, we'll put a pin in this one.

2:02:30 Speaker 3: Put this one. It's one of those timeless stories that you can always come back to and have a discussion about because there's a lot of facets that are just fascinating.

2:02:40 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, No, And I find there's a movie coming out called S four The Bobbles Our Story, And I got to meet the director at Contact and like they were putting us they they they recreated like the hangar and stuff, and I mean it's pretty remarkable. So I have a feeling that Bob's are that story is we'll be talking about it will.

2:03:05 Speaker 3: Be coming back. He's a little side side note. I know we're over two hours now, so we need to wrap up soon. But there's a side note that there was a famous director at that recent Congress hearing called Colin Trevoro. You may know him from doing that, you know Colin so so yeah, if you actually look, he's actually he's sat behind them. He is working on a Bobble's art movie right now, and he.

2:03:29 Speaker 1: Was, Oh, that's right, Oh my god, that's right.

2:03:38 Speaker 3: Pretty cool. Interesting, interesting, Bob is our story is not going away. I think that I'm hoping now, you know, I'm gonna put this out into the universe. I'm hoping that Colin Trevoro represents the story honestly. In Bob's relationships with his ex wife wife being the murder case and the pimp charge, there is a very weird all. All of these things need to be told truthfully in a story about his life. If you ignore them, then you are doing the same disservice to yourself that Jeremy Corbell did to his career by ignoring this stuff.

2:04:16 Speaker 3: And I know Jeremy Corbell is gonna sit there and go, well, I don't care. I've got this this real estate stuff, and I got all the documentary money and the next time money. Well, in in terms of credibility, it's kind of shocked because he won't engage on these issues.

2:04:31 Speaker 1: So WHOA, all right, optics here, let's let's spin this Corbell That movie gets him on Rogan's radar. Not to mention that he did the MMA and like him and his wife had this. So I've looked into Corbell hard and I've had my issues with Corbell.

2:04:52 Speaker 3: The quantum jiu jitsu, quantum.

2:04:54 Speaker 1: Jiu jitsu that he was doing and all that, and it's almost like the Coltart story where he kind of finds himself without a job and without a direction and it seems like, you know that the UFO all of a sudden, Then Corbell picked up a camera and spent a month with John Lear, of all people, and then was introduced to Bob Bazaar and then made the movie with Bob Bazaar. So he actually got his introduction to the topic was because he got a camera and then went to John Lear, whose dad created the Lear Jet, and you know John flew for the CIA, and you know, was very very smart.

2:05:44 Speaker 3: He used his own tagline. He he but now he's also his career and said, I'm going to take my curiosity and I'm going to weaponize it.

2:05:55 Speaker 1: Yes, that's for being And.

2:05:57 Speaker 3: That's literally, like he tells you at the beginning of every.

2:06:00 Speaker 1: Movie, what's that's why his show is weaponized? Yes, that's literally that's like there, that's like there is.

2:06:09 Speaker 3: How he literally got started was he was curious about this stuff, so we picked up a camera came I have no problem with that because like, that's that's how it works for a lot of people. That's why I started doing video editing, because I wanted to weaponize It's kind of like weaponized autism in a way, like you're weaponizing this special Maybe do you not get that reference? No? No, I get I get it. I mean next week I might turn up and I might be drooling everywhere because I'm gonna take a little more.

2:06:41 Speaker 1: But my girlfriend was like, uh, when she says something actually pretty hilarious, She's like, hey, so, uh, you know I think tyan PM, So does that mean I'm just gonna be autistic at night? And I kissed myself dude, it was so bunny.

2:06:58 Speaker 3: So who do you think having a weird a week? Jimmy Kimmel or the CEO of Tayler.

2:07:04 Speaker 1: Yeah. I will say this just because it's not the topic list this week. So we are not going to pigeonholed ourselves and put it ourselves into a quarter with this show and only talk about UFOs and the paranormal. So expect you to have a range of topics.

2:07:25 Speaker 3: Yes, we are going to branch we thought for the first episode because it's it's primarily a UFO based show, we would start with a UFO episode, but we will be branching out. There's plenty of things to talk about. I can talk about my weather work, I can talk about secret space people, we can talk about science, and can talk about politics. Is a whole universe up there for us to talk about and disagree on.

2:07:45 Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, I want to.

2:07:48 Speaker 3: I want to take this moment to thank everybody for watching. I know we've gone. We've gone way longer than we and we plan to. So let's wrap this up cohesively. Where can people mine?

2:08:00 Speaker 6: Is you?

2:08:00 Speaker 3: Tyler?

2:08:01 Speaker 1: Wait, we're gonna watch that hellfire missile we did?

2:08:07 Speaker 4: Oh?

2:08:07 Speaker 1: Can you show it to me one more time?

2:08:09 Speaker 3: I'll show you one more time.

2:08:11 Speaker 1: All right, let's see it.

2:08:14 Speaker 3: Muted you again because I started playing a video.

2:08:18 Speaker 1: The congressional one.

2:08:19 Speaker 3: Oh, the congressional one.

2:08:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, we never actually all right, So here it is, guys. So this is the.

2:08:27 Speaker 3: I played it. I played it while Dr Rogers was talking.

2:08:30 Speaker 1: Oh that's why I didn't see it. Well, So what I want you to pause it at a moment.

2:08:37 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if there is a pause thing on an uploaded video, Yeah there is, boom.

2:08:42 Speaker 1: What are those three things, those three things tailing behind it that I don't know if you saw Marion Vaughan, Renning Camps.

2:08:55 Speaker 3: Mark Marek Vaughn.

2:08:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, I always mess his name up. Apologize. He's actually coming on the show soon as a podcast guest, and so he when you do a close up the three things that broke off of it, they they are the exact same shape as the object, just smaller, and each one you could essentially overlay on each other and they're the same size, same dimension. So I will say that is a little weird. But you know, again, is it is it out of the realm of possibilities that it's totally prosaic? I don't. I would say again.

2:09:35 Speaker 3: I think it's part of the bracket. So you've got the balloon and you've got the cables coming down to whatever the array is, like the sensor array or whatever, and then at the end of the wires you've got a bunch of brackets and stuff that connect it. I mean, I'm I'm assuming here, but like this is what feels logical to me is that you the missile impacts the loon, balloon starts falling, cables are trailing behind it with parts of the array flapping behind it. Fair enough, fair enough, because I think the kinetic energy of that missile hitting the balloon, I think would probably share the cables off of whatever the sensor arrays.

2:10:21 Speaker 3: So that's that's just my I mean, I'm open to being wrong. I'm open to being proved wrong on that, but that's logically what makes sense in my head.

2:10:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I also want to I want to say this if if you have a topic that you'd like us to cover next Thursday or Thursday after that, or or in any show, email me uh at my email is in the description if you want to share your email, but if you want to eventually want to work it out. So, if you guys want to submit a topic you think that would be.

2:11:01 Speaker 3: Fun to submit in the comments were submitted.

2:11:04 Speaker 1: In the comments, but give us a give us a heads up somehow, whether it's through Twitter or email my emails in the description below. We'll definitely obviously consider the topic if it fits. You know what we're doing, and you know if if if it is from a member or something, we will highly consider it. So if you want to get early access, gain clearance, get read in to the program by becoming a member. Only help support the show by you know, sending super chats, donations all that.

2:11:39 Speaker 5: Uh.

2:11:39 Speaker 1: Tonight was our inaugural episode. I it went really well. I had a fun time. I can't wait to keep doing this again. I did. I did stream on X tonight. I don't think we're gonna be doing that regularly. It'll be YouTube and rumble, but I do want to, you know, introduce people to the show. So we'll be here every single Thursday, every single Thursday, heads forth. Yeah, I'm here, baby, I'm here. I bought the studio for a reason. Man, we got to start, you know, I gotta start doing something with it. So, I mean we do.

2:12:14 Speaker 1: We're doing great stuff. Other other stuff too with the podcast.

2:12:20 Speaker 3: Exciting interviews coming up if you're watching, we do just we released yesterday and edit with Dr Greg Rogers, next NASA Chief of Medical.

2:12:32 Speaker 1: Chief of Aerospace Medicine, and he was a chief sturgeon for the US Air Force.

2:12:38 Speaker 3: So I highly advise you go check that out. I did. Uh. I did some pretty cool editing. Uh so that you remember the pictures of Roswell. Yeah, now it's a video what oh oh yeah that was that was.

2:12:55 Speaker 1: The Immersive Scouts. When you first showed that to me, I was like, whoa, you can't you here? So for anyone who hasn't seen it, go watch that video. There's a cutaway that you that Carrie put in there where he kind of brings the the what's his name by my blanking mac No, no, no, not Mac Brazil uh uh yeah, Major Jesse Marcel, who is part of the five and ninth uh atomic only the only atomic squadron in the world at the time happens to be in the place where it's supposed to do a foe crash or allegedly crashed.

2:13:42 Speaker 1: I do again. I'm a big proponent of that nuclear that nuclear connection.

2:13:47 Speaker 5: Baby.

2:13:49 Speaker 1: Yeah. That picture when that guy I kind of brought to life. I mean technology is truly crazy. Uh you can find me Yeah, you could find me hiding in the corner pretty soon at some of these videos because you know what really scary and and maybe we should bring a we should talk about AI sometime soon because I mean lockeyed, right, they just unveiled their their their newest thing. It's unmanned and they're I mean, dude, pilots are going to get phased out soon.

2:14:25 Speaker 3: Right, just like just like the driver that was That was the story that got cut from this week, and it did get cut this week. It's number one on the sheet the next week. I want to dig in a little deeper and find out about this. It is called the vectus vectis drone. Yes, yeah, so I want to dig in a little deeper onto like the what information is available about the development of it, And there's probably not a lot because it skunk works.

2:14:50 Speaker 1: But here's the here's the thing.

2:14:54 Speaker 5: You know.

2:14:56 Speaker 1: Again, don't Borland actually said it in the Weaponized Interview, like the drone program had the most suicides because it's like you're you're with a controller, right, and like you're flying these and the reaper drones and you're just you know, you get the authorization to engage kinetically, and you know, you know that you told them that there are civilians there, and there is such thing as an acceptable civilian casualty rate. As fucking terrible as that sounds, that is the way our military industrial complex and operates for quote unquote national security.

2:15:40 Speaker 1: You know, there is a casualty rate that they are willing to accept in order to subdue the bad guy. And when you pull that trigger as a drone operator, like I mean, it's it's different than like your in combat and that guy shooting at you and you're at him and it's either you or him, right in this case, Yes, And there is a large problem with AI and what it's going to do to us. It is going to dehumanize these kinds of things. And you know, now this ties into the Jimmy Kimmel thing and the Charlie Kirk thing and every goddamn shooting that continues to riddle the United States.

2:16:28 Speaker 1: It is beyond me that we have become so normalized to people walking into schools, churches, and other gatherings. I will not go. I will never ever go to another New Year's ball drop event. I will never go to another open field like celebration. I just do not feel comfortable in crowds these days. We are becoming so so divided by the media, and it is sickening what is happening When Jimmy Kimmel becomes the picture of free speech. We have a fucking problem. We have a fucking problem.

2:17:19 Speaker 3: For Tiler twenty eight, Yeah, well, I think you know, I am going to be able to voice some of my concerns here and I am going to like this.

2:17:31 Speaker 1: Charlie kirk on everything. Absolutely not, but we'll get We'll get this. You can find me disclosure.

2:17:41 Speaker 3: That'll be cool.

2:17:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to do that. Disclosure pod on Twitter, YouTube, total disclosure on all post guts, all podcast platforms. Like I said, make sure live share, subscribe if you can help support the channel monetarily. I'm also covering the Moufon Symposium on October fifth. I will also be speaking at the Moufon Symposium from Massachusetts. Jean stickos in the comments right now, it's it's a it's an event that he's helping put On and Jim. Our other friend is the Mouffon guy from Moufon. I mean, I'm Massachusetts, so as a as a favorite of them.

2:18:21 Speaker 1: I'm going to be covering that that October fifth, which is a Sunday. So fun stuff coming up. We just dropped down episode doctor Greg Rogers, the NASA Chief of Airspace Medicine, who was shown a UFO in a hangar somewhere keep at least in the vicinity of Cape Canaveral or whatever in ninety ninety two, a year before I was born, actually, which is weird. And that's also the year Sallas came out. Anyway, No, it's ninety two.

2:19:00 Speaker 3: Agree to disagree?

2:19:02 Speaker 1: Would you be disagree? Fat? Okay? Yeah, my name's ty Robberts. Baby's Carrie. Where can they find you?

2:19:13 Speaker 3: But you can find me on the internet. You can find me at Twitter on Twitter Pires of Truth. You can find me in various discords. I'm in the truth Seekers Discord and the Hidden Plane Sight.

2:19:27 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go check out True Seekers.

2:19:30 Speaker 3: And yeah, go check out Why So it's the The other show I work on is called truth Seekers. I've been a graphic artist and video editor for that show, and I guess the producer, like on and off, I don't produce all everything he does. I just want to make that abundantly clear to the internet. I don't control what Darcy says, does dunne, I don't control what Steven does anyway.

2:19:59 Speaker 1: Okay, So anyway, Gods.

2:20:02 Speaker 3: Thank you for watching. I'm gonna leave now, I'm just gonna leave.

2:20:06 Speaker 1: Put your head in the fucking bye. But pretend everyone didn't just hear that. No, I'm just kidding. He didn't mean it. He works with Darcy.

2:20:17 Speaker 3: On the brain.

2:20:18 Speaker 8: Yeah, like an idiot, just fools a pot half hours. My brain is fried, so.

2:20:31 Speaker 1: I know it's all. He's in the UK too, so it's like eleven thirty am two am. Oh god, he's doing me a very big fat yes. Thank you everyone. That was truly, truly, truly fun Again. We're gonna be building out the show again and we'll fine tune it and you know, get more graphics and we're gonna have fun with this. So all right, you will catch you next time. Love you. Thet ever entertaining entity undergasting people.

2:21:35 Speaker 8: That's actual