ROB SANSONE-The Elohim: ALIEN ENGINEERS of Human Origins

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1:40 Speaker 4: Yeah. Community has always asked the same timeless questions, why are we here? Who created us? Are we alone in the universe? And what happens when we die? Today we explore these questions from a perspective that challenges conventional religion, science, and our understanding of human origins. My guest is a religious scholar from the Ralian movement in the worldview that proposes humanity was created by an advanced extraterrestrial intelligence known as the Alohem. We're not here from mockery, for blind belief or easy answers.

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3:18 Speaker 6: Yeah?

3:18 Speaker 2: Leon?

3:20 Speaker 4: Yes, and I had a fantastic, fantastic conversation with him. And through line for me has always been that if humanity was created by intelligence that's beyond Earth, what does that reveal about our meaning, our consciousness, our destiny, our future? You know, what does that say about our place in the world?

3:40 Speaker 2: Right?

3:40 Speaker 4: Because if God didn't create us, but almost like a advanced scientist race of beings tinkered with us, Like is that why the secrecy is because they don't want us to know who our creator is? Is that too much for people? So I have all these questions, you know, just for listeners who are encounting this worldview for the first time, how would you describe the Raelian movement the perspective in a thoughtful, grounded way A couple of sentences? Yeah, so the Raelian movement is a religion.

4:11 Speaker 2: We are.

4:13 Speaker 4: Our priority is to welcome back.

4:15 Speaker 5: They still watch us and observe us after they created us a long time ago, but they're kind of waiting to see us develop, like watching a child figure out how the world.

4:28 Speaker 4: Works, right really quick?

4:30 Speaker 2: Yeah?

4:31 Speaker 4: What is what? What are the alohein? They're people, right, They're there. They created us in their image. The best way I.

4:38 Speaker 5: Could describe them as people, they are from another planet, so you could say extraterrestrial, but you know, you say extraterrestrial, and people think all kinds of different things. And I think it's really important to kind of ground their their nature.

4:54 Speaker 4: And how they relate to us.

4:55 Speaker 5: That they're people like us, and they went through all their civilization, went through all the same troubles that we're going through now, and hopefully we can overcome our problems. It's like how they overcame Theirs.

5:08 Speaker 4: Okay, and Eloheim, if I'm not mistaken, Eloheim is Messenger, are those who came from the sky those, yes, those who came from the sky. It's Hebrew from the Torah. And kind of whether Jewish people went wrong is they translate Eloheim as God, right? But what the Ralian movement is saying is no, no, no, is not You didn't translate it exactly correctly.

5:39 Speaker 5: It is.

5:40 Speaker 4: You know, it's a messenger from above, right. We may look at that through a different lens as God, but they're just like you and us. They're just from a different planet. So is that kind of make put it together for people who don't know?

5:56 Speaker 2: Yeah?

5:57 Speaker 4: Yeah, because, like I said, extraterrestrial.

5:58 Speaker 5: You know, people can be kind of care of that maybe or alien invaders or whatever, this guy or that guy, right, Yeah, but you know when they come back and they come out and they reveal themselves and they looked like a human being, that might kind of surprise some people.

6:15 Speaker 2: Maybe. Yeah.

6:17 Speaker 4: And there's I mean, we'll get to it. There's tons of cases where there was beings that came out of the graft looking just like human beings, and you know they maybe they were a little shorter, a little taller, given, but the that was all there, like it was the five point head, two arms, two legs. So you know, I find that to be interesting. You probably are more familiar than I.

6:42 Speaker 5: But like no one ever, any anyone that's claimed to have been abducted or had a visitation, they're never like, oh this dude had like eleven legs and tentacle arms, and like you never sul you never hear that story, right.

6:52 Speaker 4: No, the craziest parts are like, oh, the maddest beings, right, Oh, they looked like insects or whatever. And it's like, well, you could also be there could be some sort of technology where they screen, like they screen you from seeing what they actually are, right. So I mean, and then people with false memory people input things to kind of like shield themselves from trauma. So who knows what those memories what they were actually, you know, but most of abduction stories are just you know, they took me, kind of like we take cows, tag them, put them back, right, So I don't know what's going on there, but I mean it's something I find to be interesting.

7:40 Speaker 2: Right.

7:41 Speaker 4: If the elohem and these extraterrestrials or these UFOs that we are talking about, if they are the same, why are they taking us?

7:50 Speaker 5: Rail has said that there are no alien abductions, so it's fake, right, So I mean, I know you probably, like I said, you probably have a lot more knowledge and experience into the researching this stuff, and surely some of your listeners do too. But yeah, he explains that anyone coming from space is friendly because to have the technology to escape your solar system, it also gives you the technology to destroy yourselves, right, and if you're a violent or an aggressive civilization, you're gonna do that first before you make it to another planet.

8:29 Speaker 4: So there's no there's no abductions. Well, it could be my lab. Have you ever heard of my lab? My lab is like a military abduction, So it's military posing as alien, like that's the cover. Sure, I think that's probably like, what is an abduction? Sounds like a more human thing, doesn't It doesn't sound like an advanced species thing. It sounds like a primitive human kind of deal.

8:57 Speaker 5: Right, because like maybe a long time ago we kind of did this, and certainly we still have zoos. Right, But when we observe animals and you want to watch them in the wild and you care about the animals, you don't.

9:08 Speaker 4: You don't disturb them.

9:09 Speaker 5: You set up like a camera, yes, you leave it right, and you just like record, you know what I mean? Right?

9:15 Speaker 4: So, yeah, abduction doesn't seem like.

9:19 Speaker 5: Even if you were in advanced civilization trying to like study another civilization, I don't know that you would like traumatize people by by doing that.

9:28 Speaker 4: Surely you've like overcome that, right, right, right, and that may it does make sense? It does? And uh with that, I mean, with that being said, do you do you see this disbelief system the Raelian movement? Do you do you see it as a religion, a philosophy, science, a synthesis of all three? Is it? Yeah? I mean I guess you could say it's all three. I mean, I think.

9:58 Speaker 5: Every religion has like a philosophy aspect to it. But I would say it's a religion, right, We're here to unite together and welcome back our creators and understand our origins.

10:15 Speaker 4: And to develop a more peaceful society. Interest.

10:22 Speaker 5: So I think in that sense it's very much a religion.

10:24 Speaker 2: Yeah.

10:25 Speaker 4: So what do you think the difference between like say, Christianity and Realianism is, like, aside from the obvious, like different perspectives, because people will say, like, this isn't a religion, this is right, like what defines a religion because occult versus a religion? Right, people label things a cult versus religion. Really, in my experience, the only difference is the leaders dead right right, Yeah, I mean the person who started it dies becomes a religion, right, Yeah. I think the difference is like Christianity as a cult and we're not.

11:03 Speaker 4: Isn't it funny? How kind of the dichotomy of it is where people see Christianity as like it's the religion, when in fact it's not. Most places outside of the United States are not like mainly Christian I mean, this is kind of a newer religion. It's in fact, i'd say out of the big three, I'd say it's the most recently formed. Well Islam I mean technically was founded?

11:33 Speaker 1: Oh is it?

11:33 Speaker 4: Is it?

11:33 Speaker 2: After?

11:36 Speaker 4: Interesting? Okay? Well again for me, it's like it's this is why I find it easy to not I don't need to like pick one. I'm like, okay, wait, what if what if all of them have a piece of the puzzle? Why can't And again, you know we were talking off air. It's the Tyra Bible. Why are we we're talking different languages, right, We're living in places with fake imaginary borders you can only see from a map that you draw, not from space. For sure, the borders aren't there. We speak, we look a little different, like a united humanity.

12:13 Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything we couldn't do yeah, but divided will fall. Yeah, so I agree?

12:20 Speaker 6: Is that?

12:21 Speaker 4: What is the core message of Realianism? To love one another?

12:28 Speaker 5: That's all everything is is to yeah, overcome our aggressiveness and to to not ignore our differences, but to embrace them and love people even though they may be different.

12:41 Speaker 4: And how has this affected you? Like, how are you pre Realianism? I mean, what changed for you?

12:52 Speaker 5: It's like, it's kind of like a hard answer for me because I first discovered it when I was like fifteen, So so I've been railing a long time.

13:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh I thought you would. Maybe I was thinking about this well maybe I thought you had converted it later, but maybe I'm misspoken. No, I mean interesting, Yeah, so you found Ralianism at a pretty young age. How'd you do that?

13:20 Speaker 5: Well? Kind of like you said, all these religions have these different pieces of the puzzle. So at that time, I felt like either all of these religions were wrong, right, which right many atheists probably certainly think and conclude right, or they're all right. It didn't make sense to me that like, Okay, this one religion has the answer and like everybody else in the world is wrong, right, Like that's just I don't know, man, that just didn't sit right.

13:54 Speaker 2: Yeah.

13:55 Speaker 5: So so you know, it's a long story, but I found the Railian message and that kind of like wrapped it all together for me and kind of like explained how all these different religions are connected because we say that the Yellowhim sent and taught all these prophets. So like Jesus and the Buddha and Muhammad, all of these were prophets of the Yellowhim. So all these religions have a trace root back to them.

14:27 Speaker 4: So kind of Relianism is kind of like saying like, hey, guys, you're all again, you're all on the right path, but you're you're seeing it the wrong way.

14:37 Speaker 5: Yeah right, You've.

14:39 Speaker 4: Kind of like it's a limited hangout you've created, and when in fact, all these prophets, Muhammad, Jesus, you've created all these religions for they were all from the same thing. And that's this bigger picture that with the Alohim, so Jesus and Muhammad they were both from messages of Aloheim, is what you're saying.

14:59 Speaker 5: Okay, of course, now there's fundamental differences, right because they've people a long time ago misunderstood and mistrains it and blah blah blah, and so now they all believe in a supernatural god or souls and blah blah blah. But this is just primitive people not understanding what they're being taught or shown.

15:20 Speaker 4: Right. I think one of the episodes of your show that.

15:23 Speaker 5: I watched, you talked about cargo cults, right, and and I mean that's the history of the world's religion is just a giant.

15:34 Speaker 4: Giant cargo cult. I mean, look across continents, we build these pyramids and they're all the same architecture. You see that similar architecture all around the world, and we're taught that none of them ever talked to each other, right, that before a certain time, you know, this culture didn't interact. There's no possible way that these people had any connection. Yet the bird men with purses and on every continent, they're building pyramids on every continent. So if you're telling me that none of them spoke, then what I see is they were all seeing the same thing.

16:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, right, fair enough.

16:18 Speaker 5: Certainly, like different cultures have different myths that vary, but for being so separated, there's a lot of similarities and a lot of commonalities, and so that was just some of the things that I thought of, like what what is the thread that links all of these together?

16:40 Speaker 4: And that's where I. That's that's why I and I. You know, people like say that, oh, Ty, you just talk about UFOs, you talk about this like you know, extra true. I'm like, no, it's not that. That's not the that's not the core question. My core question is, you know, why do you think that human beings across cultures felt felt compelled to ask questions about the meaning about our perspective, our God and origins. Right, So, for you, from your worldview, you know, what is the deeper purpose of human life?

17:18 Speaker 4: It can't just be to wait for these people to return, No, no, no, of course not.

17:25 Speaker 5: It's to enjoy life though they created us out of love too, to enjoy being.

17:31 Speaker 4: Alive and to just enjoy pleasure.

17:35 Speaker 5: So it's not it's not, you know, to serve them or to you know, earn a place in heaven or something like this, just about enjoying life.

17:48 Speaker 4: I mean, you said heaven, you know, so do you not think that there's a heaven or a hell or any of those? Right? Because so, what is the soul if there if there is no soul, what is consciousness? Like, what is that spark inside of us? Because I look at you, right, I look and I know that that that you're there, that there's not humans sparking you. For instance, like when I was in the room when my mom passed, I watched it go that spark. I watched it go, And so there's something tangible to it. So what is that?

18:26 Speaker 6: Right?

18:26 Speaker 5: Well, I mean you kind of just said it right, it's something tangible. So Rayel has explained that, like there's there's a what do you want to say, like a collection or like a group of neurons in your brain, which is your consciousness. So it's it's literally something physical.

18:43 Speaker 4: And so you're saying the brain creates consciousness.

18:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean like he's never like given like the details on it. And I kind of, you know, my own ideas are like, you know, I wonder if like all the cells in your body you're conscious or something, and then this is just kind of whatever's in your brain.

19:02 Speaker 4: It's just sort of like the the center of the web in.

19:09 Speaker 2: Like that.

19:09 Speaker 5: So but that's just you know, I do a lot of other reading and stuff and you know, listen to things too. Of course, and so that's just kind of my own speculation.

19:18 Speaker 4: But but there's no soul, so you know, inism, there's no soul.

19:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no like astral body or like ethereal thing that like possesses this right, right, It's not something that then like goes off somewhere else and.

19:37 Speaker 4: Becomes you know, like you're in this form but like astray and then you keep going like that always seem a lot off to me, I will admit like that, like ghosts for instance, Right, I think ghosts are they're not like it doesn't it's not but unfinished business. It's like an echo. It's an echo of the atoms and stuff that made you up that are tethered to a place. It's like a it's an echo in and it's like kind of like replays. That's why, like ghosts can't hurt you if they're even a thing, right, I think they're more so like us seeing the past almost.

20:14 Speaker 4: It's like but we can get into that a little bit. A little bit later. I heard this story and I want to ask you about it. There was this group of Reliance that went to France and they meet up with Real himself and they're outside this either airport or conference center, and it's like fifty fifty people and one person says, look up, look up, and they look up and there's these two balls of light and all of a sudden, this cottony substance starts to fall. Can you tell me about this? How do you know this?

21:03 Speaker 2: I know?

21:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you weren't there. No, it was there, Okay, Yeah, I don't know when this was, like, you know, the seventies or the eighties or something, but that's fifty innocence.

21:17 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I spoke with well, all right, So on the Netflix documentary about Us, they interviewed I forget his name, like Jean Paul Solnier or something, and I met him and he was one of the Aralians that we was there and saw this stuff. He only spoke French, so like you know, he was like sitting in front of me and someone else was like translating for me, and I was kind of only half paying attention, but whatever, and so anyway, he saw this and yeah, it was like the snowy cotton stuff. It's it's talked about in the Ralian book the Messages we call it, where it's explained to be like the same kind of thing that's in the Bible.

22:01 Speaker 2: Like the.

22:03 Speaker 4: I was a man, I'm literally jat th I was going.

22:07 Speaker 6: Yeah.

22:07 Speaker 4: So anyway, so Jean Paul explained that he he and some others.

22:12 Speaker 5: Like tried to take it and like put it in a test toe, but like as soon as they touched it, it would fall apart, almost like a picture like cotton candy. You know how it like kind of melts in your mouth. Yeah, so it's like just something about even your hand is like too warm for it and just falls apart. So they tried to like scoop it into a test tube without touching it, and I think it stayed there for like a little while, but after a few hours or a day or something.

22:34 Speaker 4: It was gone. And that's crazy. Yeah, that's because I was gonna say this the story sounds familiar. Yeah, and I go, why does it sound so familiar to me? And I'm thinking, I'm going, oh shit them, and I just it clicked and I went, oh my god, like funny always say that, Oh my God. I was like, holy crap, that's so do you think this is? This was some sort of like hey you guys around the right track? Yeah, visitation Why wouldn't they come down? Why wouldn't they come Like, why wouldn't they come down?

23:06 Speaker 4: I mean that's the question everyone's gonna ask, right Sure. Yeah, So, I mean the whole point of the Railing movement is to welcome the Yello Hem. But we want to do it like officially.

23:14 Speaker 5: So is this whole thing about building an embassy for him as Leon alluded to as like the third Temple of Jerusalem. So we the Yellow Him asked us to build this embassy because they want to come down for the whole world. Like they don't want to just like land in front of the White House, right, because then it's like, oh, like do they only care about Americans, right, not like Chinese people or whatever? So or but then are they going to like land one hundred and eighty four or however many countries are they going to do this?

23:43 Speaker 5: And you know they want like legally recognized and politically neutral territory where they have an embassy that's recognized as an embassy where they can come down.

23:55 Speaker 4: And how how much work has gone into making this reality lot embassy? Yeah?

24:03 Speaker 5: I mean so we you know, we have the blueprints for it, that's all all set. I've seen the video like of what it. Yeah, it would look like it's like a renda. There's like a three D like you walk through it.

24:14 Speaker 4: Whatever. Looks pretty cool. Yeah, so just flying glasses coming in like, yeah, that would be a cool world. Yes.

24:21 Speaker 5: Yes, So last year we announced that a country had like signed paperwork to work with us in determining a site to build this really so uh if I knew, I couldn't.

24:43 Speaker 4: Say although understood the paperwork that they signed, ah said that they would announce you know, they would effectively announce it this year, and this plot of land that they're giving would then not it would be like a city state almost. It's not it's it doesn't ceases to become that country. It's neutral ground because that's what an embassy would be. Yeah, in the sense that like any embassy is in another country.

25:12 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, okay, you know you wouldn't say, like Chinese embassy is a city state, right.

25:19 Speaker 4: Right, right?

25:20 Speaker 6: Right?

25:20 Speaker 4: Right? Okay? Yeah, maybe wrong wordage there. Do you do you believe that humanity is evolving primarily in technology, consciousness, and morality or all of the above. Do you think one thing's driving it more than the other.

25:40 Speaker 5: Maybe just technologically, right, you know, maybe we've gotten better over the centuries, a little less barbaric in some places more than others. Maybe this is kind of like a big, big point that we talk about because, Ah, the reason that the other decided to send another profit rayel and is because we've reached this age where we have the technological capacity to destroy ourselves. Yes we do, right, So humanity faces a decision of doing that or using its scientific knowledge to help people and create effectively a paradise.

26:29 Speaker 5: So we have the technology, we do right, Certainly we've evolved, the technology part, the ethical or moral part, you know, I think the verdict.

26:41 Speaker 4: Is out right, you know. And that's the crazy part to me, is we have the ability to solve most problems, yes, or we don't want to, but like, don't hold back.

26:54 Speaker 5: I mean, what if we have the capacity solve all problems? Like how does a how does that change how you look at the world?

27:02 Speaker 4: Well, it changes, you know, drastically, because I remember there was winters. You know, I didn't come from a silver spoon family. I mean, my dad, I shouldn't have said that.

27:15 Speaker 4: Can you mark the time? I gotta take that part out.

27:19 Speaker 4: Doesn't have time, It doesn't have a time there's no time for things. My family would gamble away money and spend the money on drugs, and we wouldn't have hot water, right, we wouldn't have much food. And this is the winter. We're talking about winter Massachusetts, you know, like it's happening right now. Like I if and if that, if if I find out we've had zero point energy or we've been able to pull from the ether the vacuum, and that this whole infrastructure has been is not needed, that would hiss me off, right, Yeah, yeah, because that means somewhere there's someone who has made the decision actively to suppress this sort of technology.

28:25 Speaker 4: And I think it's true. I think the US government, while not be it. You know, the US government is a vague thing. It's a big, large thing. There is a section of it, quote unquote deep state, the cabal, call it whatever you want. I call them dickheads. Right, they've decided, And you know what, I'm even to the point where I am fairly confident the people that are running the Epstein's, the Ditties, the Harvey Weinstein's, those are that's the deep state. If you're blackmailing the most powerful, can you uh politically, geopolitically, would you would you say that the United States President is one of the most powerful people in the world.

29:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, right, I mean, if you're blackmailing that person, who are you working for? I think we might be dealing with the same thing. The people that are infusing themselves with children's blood, like openly talking about it, like and abusing minors. I think those are the same people that are hiding all this ship from us because they see themselves above us, right as it's almost like a breakaway civilization they've created. Right.

29:48 Speaker 4: But there's like a meme of someone saying, like the earth is the hotel and we're just the staff something right, right, So it's already it's pretty spot on you. So my big thing is why are they observing us? If they are observing us constantly, why would they let this happen?

30:14 Speaker 2: Yeah?

30:14 Speaker 4: And is it like I get the answer, they can't interfere, right, because that would change the course of this. So this is the free will YadA YadA. I don't know if that's a good enough answer.

30:27 Speaker 5: I know, yeah, And I've talked to you know, people about this before, and it's often not a good enough answer. And you know, I don't know that I have something that would be so consoling. But it's kind of like the question, like what if we had all the technology to do it right. Well, we have the capacity to hold these people accountable and to serve justice and to know better than to do this, to do those acts right. So yes, they could come and interfere and and maybe that would help, but it's not their role to come down and be police officers either, right, Like.

31:10 Speaker 4: We're all we're adults. Here, a very good point.

31:13 Speaker 5: We can sort this out ourselves, not because because they want us to figure it out, but because we're responsible for our own actions and it's not their responsibility too to come down and do that.

31:31 Speaker 4: Right, you know what, that's a good fair point. That's a fair point.

31:34 Speaker 5: You know.

31:34 Speaker 4: It's like sometimes maybe you have to let the kid fall so he can ru.

31:40 Speaker 5: Right, yeah, but then you know, to play devil's advocate against myself would be like if you see two kids like punching each other and you know, yeah, you know you might want to separate them. So like, but here's the thing too, is like maybe them see us and they see that we don't want their help. They've sent how many profits they've said, there's a profit here now right out right, and we don't want to talk to him so about it, and we.

32:12 Speaker 4: Don't listen to their advice.

32:14 Speaker 5: We don't listen to them for how many aliens are there compared to eight billion people in the world they see playing the people that you know aren't interested, aren't ready, maybe not even ready, right, might not be. And and so when they come back, like, there's still going to be people that aren't ready. Even if they came back to the embassy and said, hey, we want to help, you're going to have religious people that think they're the devil.

32:42 Speaker 4: You're going to have a bunch of.

32:45 Speaker 5: Skeptics that think they're alien invaders just masquerading the rest.

32:51 Speaker 4: And then you're also gonna have the people that say it's not even really happening, right, so, like there's just a for it's like there's no winning for them. You know, I could see that. Do you think that if we started trading nukes they might be that might be like and I know that I've walked nuclear controllers into members of Congress right It's office to brief them about UFO sightings over a nuclear bases where they interfered with the weapons, like they didn't interfere with them, like take them away.

33:22 Speaker 4: They flicked them on, made us pee ourselves, and then turned them back off. Right, It's not like they set one off or or disarmed and disabled it and it was never able to be brought back online. They it's like a message. When I asked Bob Sallie, Dave Shindiley, I mean, when I asked, what was the message, get rid of these fucking things.

33:50 Speaker 5: Yeah, get rid of these fucking things.

33:52 Speaker 4: That's what he said. Yeah.

33:54 Speaker 5: And they say, they all saying the messages in Peace Maryland that nuclear weapons are the next stream danger for humanity.

34:01 Speaker 4: So it's it's the thing that could and will destroy us. All the progress we've made, everything we've done, every bit of history exists on this blue rock, all of it gone with the beause the next one that goes off is the last one that goes off.

34:22 Speaker 5: Sadly, that's my perspective. Yeah, because we didn't like stop it with the bomb at Hiroshima.

34:29 Speaker 4: Right, we go, Hey, we got another one, right.

34:31 Speaker 5: Right, We made them bigger and better and faster, and you know, and now they're supersonic, yes, right, yes, and there you can't defend that that's checkmate all day, and Russia is getting dangerously close to saying yeah, if I can't have it, nobody can, and now it's scary.

34:52 Speaker 4: Yeah.

34:53 Speaker 5: So what Rail recommends is actually that all countries have nucleus the opposite. It's it seems counterintuitive, Yeah, everyone can have a gun. Well, the way I see it is, if you're a country with a nuke, then you don't get invaded by the United States. Right, it's easy to stop the bully if if you don't ever fight bad. Yeah, it sounds dangerous, right, but everyone has a nukele then but then everyone becomes afraid. Right, this isn't the answer of uh.

35:28 Speaker 4: I thought about that one. Yeah, this wouldn't be like, oh wow.

35:32 Speaker 5: Humanity is wise enough to overcome it's violence. No, it's they were fucking stupid enough to they all got nukes. Now they're all too afraid of each other.

35:42 Speaker 4: So they're like, okay, well.

35:43 Speaker 5: Now that everyone has a nuke, maybe we can all disarm, right, because you don't want to be like one of the six countries with the nukes and the whole world's asking you to disarm.

35:52 Speaker 4: Right, It's like, and let's be fair, if an invader ever came from the sky. Invader, not that Alohim. If anything ever came from the sky, that would probably be our defense, right, That's that's our ultimate power, that's our weapon. Sure, right, So, and that's where I get a little nervous with the messages from like what do you think that when I asked the nuclear controllers, what do you think the message was? What was the UFO by shutting ten nukes off that are analogue, mind you, separated by miles.

36:27 Speaker 4: To shut one of these things off in the year nineteen sixty seven, you would have needed a small army, and they ten at once. It didn't happen, right, Like, it doesn't happen. It did, right, it did, and it's happening all the time. And in Russia a modern day Ukraine, former Soviet Union, they didn't turn them off. They turned them on. And I think that was the same message. It was for more aggressive people, right, so for the United States, who in the Cold War wasn't the aggressor, so to say, Russia was the big scary one for us.

37:10 Speaker 4: They turned them off and they showed that hey, just because these are your most powerful weapons doesn't mean they are ours. We could take control of these at any time. But in Russia they showed, hey, this is what it looks like when you almost start World War three and they get a little fear inside them. So I think I think the could that be someone trying to trick us into disarming because that is our only weapon against them? I think it's just them like kind of pinpointing and highlighting, like you see what I'm saying, though, I do like, hey, we're gonna pretend to be this angelic force that's here for good.

37:47 Speaker 4: Oh oh oh, So you think like me, I don't think I'm speculating. Sure, Okay, yeah, I wasn't fair. I wasn't saying, like you know, Jeff I because yeah, sixty thousand, I gotta make sure that I allegedly allegedly So,

38:06 Speaker 4: so you're wondering that it's if it's possible that disarm us to so that they could invade us, so that that we wouldn't have no weapon that they could we could use against that everything else is inferior, right, splitting at him that that that nuclear technology is actually the only thing that's keeping What if that's the only thing that's keeping these things from just being sightings? And not because a lot of people ask, oh no, if they if they wanted us gone, they would have. We would have been gone a long time ago.

38:40 Speaker 4: No one wants to rule over dust and ash, right, So they're not going to just flick an asteroid at us from the asteroid belt and go, we'll just wait out the world to again, right, No, they don't want to rule over a dust and ash. They want to rule over the paradise that we have, right, And what if the nuclear weapon is the only thing that's holding them back? Yeah, I mean, so to be clear, right, yeah, yeah, Like just to reiterate or clarify, like we would say that all extraterrestrial civilization contact would be peaceful inherently, inherently because they've grown past this idea of self.

39:24 Speaker 5: Distraction, right right, right, But to indulge speculation, if you can disarm or almost set off a nuke, surely it's not a threat that you're not threatened by the nukes, right, So you don't actually care, right, So.

39:44 Speaker 4: I don't know's it's.

39:47 Speaker 5: Just hard for me to imagine because it's just like, what would they gain from like coming down and invading us. It would be so dependent on whatever else you thought, right, like, there's because I don't think you and invade like we think okay, okay, right, hear me out. I don't think you invade with like the way we see an invasion, right, like what we did in Iraq for instance, right for better or worse, Like just just look at that or Vietnam. That's an invading force, right, that's coming to your door.

40:19 Speaker 5: They're coming over that border. But if you're going to infiltrate the world, right, you got to get them to think one way, right, you gotta get them to you gotta you're playing us to be different here and there.

40:32 Speaker 4: Just like you said in the beginning, right, So it's not just the Americans you need. You need the Chinese on board. So you're gonna you're gonna divide and conquer a little bit, and you're gonna play the good guy that's here, that's here to to bring you into paradise, to bring you over the finish line. That sounds great. When has anything been that good? And when and if it is that good, is it always true? Because for me, there's always catch somewhere. So what if they're just like, what if this idea of the trickster like Loki right, the trickster.

41:08 Speaker 4: They come bearing false prophets or false prophecies will, so just as much as we hear about the good stuff, there's the bad as well, because there's a yin and yang. So I don't believe that all extra any non human intelligence, by definition is life outside of Earth. Right, Angels, demons, the gin, they all fall into that category of non human intelligence. They're not all good though, but they're not all bad. So I'm just saying could sell and be posing as the good guy in order to trick us because they want what we have, and what we have may be special consciousness the soul if you will, I know you don't.

41:58 Speaker 4: Again, I'm coming up against found fundational problems in Relianism for a reason. Yeah, because what if we do? Because like, have you ever heard of bob'zar?

42:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't really like I don't know much about them. Okay, I know the name, and I know he's how uh prolific he is right in the UFO like yesh, Yeah, so he.

42:20 Speaker 4: Uh he was the guy who broke like he was the whistleblower from inside Area fifty one. Okay, you know, the George Nap and he had said something about how, in the briefings he was given, the military had concluded that at least one of the species visiting Earth he saw us as containers batteries if you will. Yeah, I've heard this. So again I'm just throwing everything because again I don't believe in one thing. I'm trying to see the world is and as neutral as possible. Yeah, So I'm just not so quick to say welcome.

43:00 Speaker 5: Yeah right, sure, right, And this is what I alluded to, and the difficulty the yellow he will have when they come back, right, because it's not just this, but it's facing Christians that are going to be like, well, you're the devil and rails, the anti Christ.

43:13 Speaker 4: And so I guess my question being is how do we know that Elohim, who ray Al has been in contact with, right, how do we know that they are who they say they are?

43:24 Speaker 5: M Yeah, I don't know if I have like a crystal clear fair answer, that's fair.

43:31 Speaker 6: Right.

43:31 Speaker 4: There's an element of trust.

43:32 Speaker 5: I suppose on our part faith, sure, but I guess I just think, like like you said, like if something was going to happen, I think it would have already happened, Okay.

43:47 Speaker 4: And there's no there's no answer that I don't that's the right answer, I think, sure, right, I guess I'm just posing the question. Yeah, maybe rhetorically too. I don't know actually, because I how do you answer that? Right?

44:05 Speaker 4: What is Ryale's I'm sorry? I was kind of like, I feel like I always inflecting the wrong vowel. How does rat? How do you say it? Real? So it is a long a ray? Yeah? Okay? What has he said about them? What do they look like? What do they what do they feel like? What's their vibe like?

44:28 Speaker 5: What's peaceful and happy and friendly? When when he met them, they looked like like people, like humans. He described them as being a little shorter and with like a greenish skin tone.

44:43 Speaker 4: Interesting, Yes, I think.

44:45 Speaker 5: The messages in his book he writes like as if they had liver trouble or something.

44:52 Speaker 4: You know. But but here's here's here's here's the thing though.

44:57 Speaker 5: It was like, you know, that calls to mind like little green men.

45:03 Speaker 4: Right for me now, just because I'm outside of that mentality, but I see what you're saying. When you say that's like an average pressure, they're gonna go oh right, he said, shorter and green? Oh yeah, yeah.

45:14 Speaker 5: But they have this technology where they could upload their minds into new bodies, so they could appear as anything.

45:23 Speaker 4: Oh so it could maybe you know, maybe they do look like.

45:28 Speaker 5: Us in their human order, but maybe they took this form that was a little archetypical, little kind of classic science fiction. He just to appear a little more familiar to Rayl in that kind of way, a little bit kind of what.

45:42 Speaker 4: I said earlier, screen memory kind of or that would be the ultimate screen memory. That's reality being changed. But I see what you're saying.

45:49 Speaker 5: Yeah, So when they first appeared to him, they came down and flying saucer and you know, had the blinking light and it was very slow and kind of decebidly, you know, kind of how you imagine space craft would kind of be.

46:03 Speaker 4: He said it was blinking. Yeah, there was a blinking light. Did he say a color perhaps that you can remember.

46:10 Speaker 5: Yeah, but don't quote me, because it's like there's a light on top of the light on the bottom, and one is red and one is white. I don't know which. I don't I don't think it. I don't know if it matters right right, Maybe I don't know. In lines, Yeah, So but on subsequent appearances. They came all at once, the spacecraft. It just like appeared like out of nowhere.

46:34 Speaker 4: Right, So they had this technology to do that.

46:40 Speaker 5: But to make someone who's unfamiliar with them and put them at ease, they kind of do the.

46:46 Speaker 4: Whole self down a little.

46:48 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, not dumb yourself down, right, but like do something a little more expected. We're familiar, right, You're.

46:57 Speaker 4: Not gonna want to scare the person. You can want to come as like again, see that's where I get that that trickster all of it. Yeah, so inherently by changing who you are, it's do you not agree that that is? It's not and and again it's not deceptive for like the wrong reason the way you say it. Right, they're trying to look the part that you you know, to not freak you out two, bring you in slowly kind of in phases. Right, I see the why you would do that. But do you see why someone might also say that's deceitful?

47:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I do. Yeah, so again that's just my mindset. So but but but I think that is the right way to do it. I think it's to ease someone in, like come as something familiar and then at the more that you know that their brain allows, you know, give them. Then you start showing up instantly, you know, the facades kind of going away. It's becoming more normal. So you can start to open it up a little bit, literally, open the aperture, write a little bit, a little bit more light for the person. So I get it.

48:12 Speaker 5: But but to counter all this, if you're the yellow him, like, what are you supposed to do? It's impossible to Yeah, it's right, because you know it's funny to me. After this, we'll take a quick break.

48:30 Speaker 4: But you know it's funny to me. Is this idea of little green men? Right? Sure? Where did it come from?

48:46 Speaker 4: It's recent, I'll tell you that. Oh man, I don't know like.

48:53 Speaker 2: That.

48:54 Speaker 4: I might go as far back as like fairies. Yeah, yeah, okay. Jeacqu Valet would say the same, very prominent researcher. He says that the fairies are the whole idea of it. If you just swap words, it's modern day UFOs and aliens. Sure, right, it's the same thing. But yes, you're you're on you're on something there. But it also pop culture. Pop cultures created this idea. But is that art reflecting life or is it life reflecting, I would argue that it is the latter that the archetypal alien is actually drawn because Spielberg consulted with Jay Allen Heinek, the lead astronomer on Project Blue Book, so he was investigating cases for the US Army, right they were.

49:51 Speaker 4: Spielberg was given that access, so he took like the craft and Close Encounters, right, it lights up, it's a disc. It gives the guy a sunburn at one part, remember, right, that's physiological effects. Those are intricate details, very intricate details. And they're communicating with this species not through English but through music because music is universal, right, so you start breaking these ideas down fundamentally. Obviously, he tweaked things for his movie right to his life because his mother was a music engineer and his father was a scientist, and he bridged the gap like Close Encounters literally for him is bridging that gap.

50:39 Speaker 4: But he had access to all the real military files on how these craft looked, operated, the beings that were reported. So no, it's people go, oh, Close Encounters, that's where it all comes from. This alien back Now, it comes from the Project Blue files, and those were they on real casework, real people's sightings. So it's art imitating life. So it doesn't even matter if there's an archetype that's what they want. Some it doesn't surprise me that they would look a little different, but the humanoid but a little different, right, So that's never bothered me.

51:23 Speaker 4: But what bothers me is when people reduce it to little green men and like laugh about it. A lot of that comes from like South Park, believe it or not. Their episode first episode was Alien Probe Carpment, So really the first first episode is that episode. It's it's making fun of Whitley Streeber because Whitley Streeber is the guy who talks about being probed by an alien, like being taken and probed by an alien. Yeah, I think it only would know like Barney Hill and Betty and Barney Hill.

51:57 Speaker 6: Yeah.

51:58 Speaker 4: So again it can all be traced back to pop culture references, and I think that is I mean, we know with Project un Operation Mockingbird that the US government was influencing media to fix their narrative. We know that they're influencing what we see and what we hear in movies and TV to guide us a certain way. And again to you talked about how we needed that archetypal alien. They changed to be a little bit more familiar, right maybe and they so you see where I'm going with it. Yeah, okay, So what does ray Al say about it comes down?

52:47 Speaker 4: It's a craft? Is the craft like legitimately a disc? Then does that open up and beings come out and grab them? He describes it as a flattened bell.

52:59 Speaker 5: So that mean actually, I don't know, maybe this or maybe that guy up there, but you know, kind of like a curve, like a low curve, and.

53:08 Speaker 4: Then like right, you know, and then it lands.

53:14 Speaker 5: I don't know, hovers I guess above the ground a little bit, and then like the stairway comes out and that's when.

53:20 Speaker 4: And then they invite him off, not force full, right, and they're of flesh, yes, of flesh and whatever. Yeah, and they sit in two chairs. Really they talk, yeah and really yeah, and like you know this is they take him anywhere in the second encounter.

53:43 Speaker 5: So his first encounter with them was in nineteen seventy three, right, and then in nineteen seventy five they took him to their planet, yes, which is similar. It also happens to Mohammad.

53:55 Speaker 4: What is their planet called? What did he say, I don't think they they didn't have like a name for it. It's interesting. What did did he say?

54:04 Speaker 5: What?

54:04 Speaker 4: It looked like.

54:06 Speaker 5: Beautiful and at least the area he was in was kind of like tropical.

54:11 Speaker 4: Architecture anything.

54:14 Speaker 5: The buildings were kind of like like shells, like seashell kind of looking. A lot of the furniture was like a fur kind of material, but almost as if it were alive, not like a pelt, but as if you know, something that's cool, Yeah, unusual vegetation colors seaweed that you could see, and it looked like a rainbow under the water, you know.

54:45 Speaker 4: So this idea of colors again comes up. Sure, so he was seeing like arguably more color than you would hear, right, is what you're saying.

54:54 Speaker 5: You know, I mean are like green, right, But like I don't know if you can create life, you know that skill and technical and gets better over time even for them, so they can, Well.

55:05 Speaker 4: I wonder if you see me saw like if there was colors that like aren't on our spectrum, and like it was almost like a bit overwhelmed, like seeing a new color like super vibrant.

55:15 Speaker 5: Like maybe, but like it's still your same eyes, right, Yeah, you can't, like, so you can't certenly see new things, right, you can't actually, Oh you can't.

55:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I mean your eye gets like the think about the green blue dress, do you remember that? Like the mean, so I can trick your eye into seeing something color? Wow?

55:35 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you can. So that's not like the spectrum, right, Yeah, we only so our.

55:41 Speaker 4: Eyes are only capable of seeing like a certain percentage of the visible light spectrum, right, because then you go an ir and like that's all on the same spectrum. So I wonder if he goes to this place and his eyes are seeing like the remnants he can't actually see it, but it's the remnants of like like a higher dimensional like evolved planet of being. It's it's in it because it comes up in other cases.

56:11 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's interesting because it's never that's never been the impression I got.

56:15 Speaker 4: This is why I love to talk to him about that encounter. Those encounters, so he he gets he sees them twice. When does he officially create the Raelian movement after the first sighting before the second?

56:29 Speaker 5: Yeah, so after the first encounter he creates it. But it's known as Maddock, which is like a French acronym for movement for welcoming the yellow Him or something like that. And then after the second encounter he kind of reshapes it into the Raelian movement.

56:51 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, and the Raelian beliefs suggest that that humanity was created. So this is where he comes back and says, you know, humanity was created by disadvanced intelligence. How should we understand that idea, like in a nonsensational way, if that.

57:11 Speaker 5: Makes sense, What do you mean sensational way?

57:14 Speaker 4: How should we understand these ideas about the Alohat being

57:22 Speaker 4: not God but our creator? How should we see that?

57:28 Speaker 5: We should see them as equals even though they've created us, They created us in their image, and one day we too, if we get everything right and we're peaceful and can figure it out, one day we too will create life on another planet. So we're just a link in this infinite chain. And so they want to be seen and want to see us as equals to them. Yes, they're more technologically advanced, but in terms of feeling at one with the universe and in more spiritual or meditative ways, were equal to them. So they want us to see them as equals.

58:11 Speaker 5: And that's a lot different than being afraid of alien invaders or being confronted with a god who demands worship, demands many things. Yes, and so I think that's that's a really important distinction in something unique to the alien beliefs interest your standing should say.

58:34 Speaker 4: So, they want us to know that they are no better. Right, they might be, their intelligence level might be above us, but it's only because maybe they've had more time. They don't want us to see them as gods. They want us to see us equal, that we're all like, you know, this idea of something I've been thinking about lately. Why did men, men and gravitate towards each other? Right? Why did we seek in our in like the early primitive you know, caveman like that era. Why did we come together out of the darkness?

59:17 Speaker 4: We came together and stood with each other instead of you know, just going through life, you know, just you and your family or whatever right we built, we sought each other out and formed these groups. And it's like we're almost doing that on a cosmic scale now, sure, yeah, we're coming out of our infancy.

59:44 Speaker 6: And you know.

59:47 Speaker 4: It's it's just a it's a parallel for me, right, the man of the cave man, Right, again, they it's the progression. It's now we're we're not discovering five, we're discovering space travel. Right, We're on the next step. It's the next scale, it's the next step, it's the next frontier, they even call it. Right, And we're looking out into this cold or what we seem to think is this cold, dark abyss that we call the cosmos, and we need a little warmth, right, So I find a really interesting parallel there, and it's like we need a companion to take this ride with, to show us the ropes, to show us what's really out there.

1:00:38 Speaker 4: Right. We need to come together. We don't need to keep fighting each other, we need to come together. So it's interesting. So when we come back, I want to kind of really dive into some some things beyond you know, just the surface level like things. But before we kick off, before we take the break, what do you think that if Rayal was here himself speaking to someone who maybe like got this bad rap from the media coverage, what do you think he would want them to hear? What message about Ralianism?

1:01:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean our most fundamental value is freedom, and so I think the way the media has portrayed us in the past is that we're being manipulated by a charismatic cult leader being robbed of our money. But I mean that's obviously that's not happening. But if you don't like the movement, you're free to leave. You don't have to to stay. We're not trying to force people against anything against their will.

1:01:58 Speaker 4: Interesting and what.

1:02:01 Speaker 5: Yeah, so to enjoy your life, be happy, whether you're Ralian or not. We're not here to convert people. We're only here to inform.

1:02:08 Speaker 4: It's interesting you guys have never like it's been aggressive towards me, like trying to like, it's never felt like someone's trying to convert me. It's like you just want to be heard. Yeah, and that's I find that to be incredibly interesting. So because you know, it's it's very open and almost the opposite of what I would think. Like you look at a real cult like Scientology, they would black the windows out on you, right, right, They literally won't let you leave.

1:02:41 Speaker 5: Yeah, right, once you're deep.

1:02:42 Speaker 4: In, Like that's a cult, right, Scientology, I think we can agree. Yeah, Scientology is like.

1:02:49 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I don't think I've heard like a good thing about it. Yeah, but people probably haven't heard a good thing about the Railian Movement.

1:02:55 Speaker 4: Either, exactly. You know, that's not to be an apologetic for science. What do you think some of the fail like failures have been media wized, like like what do you think? What do you think that some things that you wish didn't happen? We like all of it? I mean, what's what's the uh?

1:03:17 Speaker 5: I don't know what the refined answer is, right, I don't know.

1:03:20 Speaker 4: Maybe maybe maybe there's a nice way. What was the lady? Who's the lady that was trying to like create like genetically? Yeah, so doctor Bridget Boisselier was the the founder and director of Why was that so like defsive?

1:03:36 Speaker 5: Because it was happening in the United States and people are very religious or people like fundamental Yeah, people like to either people aren't very religious until they're like threatened and then they're like, no, I'm super religious, you know. So yeah, so there's a lot of fundamental Christians here who yeah, I thought we were playing God didn't like that idea, And can you say, wese their opinion?

1:04:08 Speaker 4: You know, because like should we even be saying we in that situation? Like what was it the Raelian Movement trying to clone it or was it just her? No, she was a Rallian.

1:04:21 Speaker 5: She was railing us and she was supported and encouraged by ray L.

1:04:25 Speaker 4: Yes.

1:04:25 Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, but it wasn't like a Rallian you see what I mean?

1:04:30 Speaker 4: Like I could be Christian and be a murderer. Doesn't mean Christians are murdering or that are advocating for murder, right, you see what I'm saying. So this was actually like, okay, we we support what you're doing, because again, if our creators are scientists, yeah we can right.

1:04:50 Speaker 5: So this kind of ties back into two things that we were talking about earlier. Is one I mentioned that the only thing can upload their minds into new bodies.

1:05:02 Speaker 4: This is part of a process that they used to have achieved eternal life. So you clone a new body, that's right.

1:05:10 Speaker 5: You clone a new body for your your body, yep, you and they have a technique to accelerate its growth, so you're not waiting like twenty years for to be re uploaded into a new body or whatever. And then the mental mind uploading, So cloning is this first step towards eternal life. And so that's why we were so like and again if consciousness wasn't.

1:05:37 Speaker 4: Right, if it weren't physical. Yeah, if it weren't physical, you couldn't pull it off. Yeah, because it's like up, Okay, I see where you're going.

1:05:46 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:05:46 Speaker 4: So, and then the other thing was and you couldn't do this if consciousness wasn't right, You really couldn't. I mean I don't think so. Yeah, if consciousness was some sort of a theory old like like spirit thing, you couldn't like put that into a clone and have it work. It would need to be something that could be transferred, right, And so that makes an interesting case for that.

1:06:12 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's probably scary if you're like a Christian, You're like, you don't even want to know what the theological applications are of that, right, right. But you know, earlier I also mentioned like we have the technology to make the world like a better place and we just don't utilize it. And I mean we we know we can clone things, right, even if you don't buy into cloning helping to achieve eternal life or whatever, Like if your child died in an accident and you could like bring him back to life, yeah, you know, like or something, or just like my cat died and I just want my cat back.

1:06:53 Speaker 5: You know, that's something simple and kind of more innocuous. But there's there's a world that we're missing out on because religious fundamentalists are afraid of it. That would be challenges their beliefs.

1:07:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a hard debate too, Like, and this was the thing whether we should just be throwing around like, hey, my cat.

1:07:17 Speaker 5: Died, I don't want the same cat, but like that, maybe that like sounds stupid or something.

1:07:23 Speaker 4: No, it doesn't, but it's like for me, it sounds all too powerful because I would clone my dog in order to never lose it. Sad, sad to say, but I would do it right. I would be selfish and do it. And this was our I think that's where people think, maybe maybe that they think it's selfish because maybe they think loss is supposed to like that that is supposed to be a part of life. But who said? Who said that death is supposed to be something that we have to write through?

1:07:52 Speaker 5: I think like learning to deal and overcome the fear of death is an important part of life.

1:07:58 Speaker 4: But we all enjoy being a You shouldn't, I fucking love it, right, you shouldn't not enjoy it?

1:08:04 Speaker 5: I think it's okay to want to continue living. And if that means cloning, like I think that's okay too.

1:08:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, Crisper, we see like it's already it's going to someone's going to do it. It's not a matter of if or when. I mean, it's not a matter of if. It's a matter of if it went. Yeah, someone's going to do it. Yeah the Chinese like someone, someone's going to do it. And then whoever does unlock that. I mean, that's it. That the world will never be the same ever ever, And.

1:08:43 Speaker 5: That's our role as Rallians is to say like it's okay, Like this isn't something you have to be afraid of.

1:08:49 Speaker 4: This can be beneficial, this could be normal, right, interesting, Okay, let's take a little break. This has been heavy. But this is exactly why I reached out for someone who is a religious scholar, specifically someone who could take this kind of discussion that many people can believe it or not. I mean, I'm not like technically about someone who's a religious person who's yes of a certain like caliber. So with you were asked to be a Ralian guide. What does that mean?

1:09:25 Speaker 5: I mean the quickly I guess, yeah, like the dumbed down way to say it would be like it's.

1:09:32 Speaker 4: Like a Raelian priest, that's what you call it. Like someone who's in a little bit, like someone who's facilitating the factory, like a leader or a representative of the organization. I like the word better guide. It's like, you know, it's someone who's teaching you clearly, so and you turn that down. No, So you are okay, okay, so interesting. Okay, so we'll dive into some this so some of the more I have a ton more questions. I haven't even got to because I've just been I really like tarping on that.

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1:12:17 Speaker 4: Do you believe that modern UFO sightings may represent continued observation or contact.

1:12:24 Speaker 2: With the aloeene?

1:12:25 Speaker 5: Yeah?

1:12:26 Speaker 4: Starting kind of simple, Yeah, So can you elaborate?

1:12:32 Speaker 1: Sure?

1:12:33 Speaker 5: Like lots of people have sightings of UAPs and UFOs or whatever, and I do think, you know, many of them are the allowheen.

1:12:48 Speaker 2: Trying to.

1:12:52 Speaker 5: Build interest I guess, build to peau people's curiosity m hm, so that they'll go looking for an answer.

1:12:58 Speaker 4: What was the thing that I saw?

1:13:00 Speaker 2: You know?

1:13:01 Speaker 4: And you know, hopefully we have the answer for them, you know, right, And I mean I know I've seen I had a very like broad daylight disc shaped craft tree top level that set me on this journey right from a young age. And I was never the same after, right, And you could argue that I'm only sitting here in this chair because of that event and the other one with my mother where I saw her essence leave the room essentially like a ball of light just leaving the room or something coming into the I don't know, but

1:13:49 Speaker 4: it changes people This is the only subject that I've ever seen where once people dip their toes or have something happen, it's almost like they dedicate the rest of their lives to figuring out what they saw. Nothing else does that nothing, And that's interesting to me. Why do you think reports of UFO encounters often occur near sacred locations or strategic sites militarily? We kind of talked about the military sites with nuclear weapons and such. I don't know about sacred locations, yeah, like Stone End, Yeah, I'm not sure.

1:14:33 Speaker 4: Well, even like pyramids, the pyramids that I've ever seen, the Jerusalem footage when they're over they're over the temple rock. Yeah, but if it's the one like that you're talking about, I think it's not been debunked for I know what you're saying. It is not. It's the debunkings are because I thought the same thing. I was like, oh, it's been debunked, right, Yeah, not not not as much as I thought. So. And we know that there's these there are these hot spots over the planet right all over, whether it's you know, magnetic anomalies, you know, perma triangle.

1:15:20 Speaker 4: There are places on this Earth where things aren't the same, and are those what are those? Are those? You know, portals or places where the veil is thin enough where something can instantaneously you know, that's like a it's almost like a beacon, right, and it allows them to travel here instantaneously. And that's what our eyes observe, is something that arise instantaneously. But maybe that's not what is really happening. It's just what we perceive it as being. You know, we see these craft doing ninety degree turns that would turn any biological creature into jail.

1:16:00 Speaker 4: The g forces would just rip us apart unless what we're seeing is an artifact of what it's actually doing. Because if I plug in, say I plug in coordinates, and now I add time to that coordinate, time as a coordinate itself. Now you're positioning your like what you just punch in and punch out of this dimension and it looks like you're going from point A to point B instantly, But what you're doing is you're punching out here and you're coming back in here at the exact time, at the exact coordinate.

1:16:37 Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying. So what might not be instant to the inside observer, to the outside observer. It looks like that, right, and we know this to be the case. The twin paradox to one twin goes to space, one doesn't. Time moves faster for the twin in space relativity, right Einstein. So these are things we know, and you know interdimensionality and all that has been brought up by people like David Grush. And I asked the Rabbi about David Grush, the UFO whistleblower, and how he had said that the US government is in possession of non human biologics, biologics and craft So do you if that's true, do they have the alohem?

1:17:33 Speaker 4: I don't really think so. I might suspect that, you know, these crafts that they him send down to pique interest and curiosity in people are effectively drones.

1:17:49 Speaker 5: This is all speculation. I don't think Rails ever really said anything about this. I would I would guess that they're drones.

1:17:57 Speaker 4: Unmanned.

1:17:58 Speaker 5: Yeah, but also the only Heam can create biological robots essentially, so so something that could look and act human. But I don't know, it doesn't have the consciousness of the way.

1:18:18 Speaker 4: We do, or it could be people have reported that the Grays are they move like it's almost like they have no no soul. This is what people say. But it's like they're cold and calculated.

1:18:32 Speaker 2: Right.

1:18:33 Speaker 4: It sounds like a robot.

1:18:34 Speaker 5: Yeah right, I mean they can.

1:18:35 Speaker 4: Biologically infused robot. Yeah.

1:18:38 Speaker 5: I don't think like the only him wouldn't come down here and be like like expose themselves to the danger of being shot down.

1:18:46 Speaker 4: Not that I don't. I don't really think we would be able to do that.

1:18:49 Speaker 5: But why would you like do that, Why would you subject yourself to that or like endanger yourself like that? So I don't think I don't necessarily think they themselves are coming down here. Okay, so if if the US government had uh bogics, I don't. I don't think it's it might be from the yellow human. I don't think it's like.

1:19:16 Speaker 2: The the yelling.

1:19:17 Speaker 4: Okay, broader question, do you think that there if there's one species out outside of this Earth, there has to be many. There's infinite yes, infinite? Yeah, So do you think that that's we're dealing with?

1:19:34 Speaker 5: Multiple could be. But so this is kind of funny how how real describes this is Earth is kind of like a no fly zone. That's the kind of phrase he uses where well, I mean, like I just said, it's we're just so violent and aggressive.

1:19:51 Speaker 4: We we discriminate and.

1:19:54 Speaker 5: Hate each other for the color of our skin or the clothes that we wear. I mean people, you know, if you wear the job, you know, people have a lot of reactions to something like that. So something is innocuous. Is just the clothing you aware that you wear can can make you the victim of an assault. People don't People from space, people from other planets don't want to come here because they're not all human.

1:20:21 Speaker 4: They don't look human, right, you know, so they're waiting for us to become more peaceful. Too. Interesting. Interesting, So there's an infinite but there could be some because with every rule there are rule breakers, right sure, So you could have you could see a scenario where other maybe other species are visiting but trying to stay off the radar of this aloheme because you know, they've you know, called it a no fly zone. Like, hey, guys, they need to be can't We can't interact, right, We need to let this play out the way it's got to play out, right, and then, like you know, use there's civilizations that are more events than us, but less than the alow heat yeah, right, yeah, prone to mistakes, prone to sure, you know, yeah, making judgment calls then, right, you know, I think where you're onto something here.

1:21:23 Speaker 4: It's like we're not the.

1:21:24 Speaker 5: Only humanity that the only Him created. So it could be maybe that one of these other humanities has come to kind of scout and see what we're about. Because the Elham told us that they're not in contact with those other humanities. Interesting they didn't give a reason why,

1:21:47 Speaker 5: but I mean because we were the first humanity they created, so they are more overtly present or with their creation first child.

1:21:58 Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so you ignore the other two children that come after it. Well, you're just like a little like a little less like it's not that you're less protective, it's not you're willing. You know, you've been through the ring before.

1:22:13 Speaker 5: Yeah, now maybe you want to see how it plays out without content.

1:22:17 Speaker 4: I think like.

1:22:19 Speaker 5: Kind of like I don't know, hate to say it, but like maybe they're their early contact with us is has made things challenging for us right too.

1:22:30 Speaker 4: To have these different religions.

1:22:33 Speaker 5: People get very passionate and very violent.

1:22:36 Speaker 4: All the wars, yes.

1:22:38 Speaker 5: Over other people's religions. So it's created a lot of issues for us that I think have held us back. Right again, we come back to the cloning example, where I mean that's strictly a religious fear and apprehension. Yeah, it's not scientific, it's not a scientific sca. I think people were making that case said that time where it was like, well, if you clone a if you clone someone and then they grow up and they have all these genetic defects, you know, something like that.

1:23:12 Speaker 4: So I think there was a concern there too. But you know, people said the same thing about IVF, and now people don't give it a second thought, right, So absolutely couldn't agree more. Yeah, very interesting.

1:23:26 Speaker 5: So I think with these other humanities, they want to see how things play out without their presence.

1:23:35 Speaker 4: So I mean, do you think that the US government or any government knows of the existence of this advanced being civilization? I don't know.

1:23:56 Speaker 5: Man, Like when I watched your conversation with Leon, I kept asking myself this, like, do I think that anyone else has like the full picture, the full truth. I don't. I don't know.

1:24:10 Speaker 4: I don't think.

1:24:10 Speaker 5: So. I'm surely like there's a lot of evidence that governments have crafts where certainly have seen things, ah.

1:24:22 Speaker 4: Like the Vermana's right and the epic of the oh sure right, the Vmona's they're they're literally describing flying craft right at a time when nothing flew right. And you know that is similar to you know, uh, the idea of like dragons, like if if if if you're flying in like a rocket over ancient Rome, m hm, they would say, oh my god, it's a fire breathing dragon. Sure, fires coming out one side. It's a it's a long elongated thing. So again, are we miss identifying? Could our ancestors have been misidentifying?

1:25:13 Speaker 4: Technology is the core? And you know, because I think I actually have high suspicion that the Vaticant is actually the original cover up of this idea that that we are not alone. I think they were in the beginning the Church because they were judge, jury and executioner, right, And I think they were the law of the land just as much as they were like the the moral law of the land, Like the Church ruled at one point the rule of the world. And you know, I just think that they didn't want this o and it began there.

1:25:55 Speaker 4: So I think the Vaticant archives are full of things, you know, from like the Life Mary of Alexandria. That could help shed light on what others thought, you know, what others were seeing, like the Egyptians, because I don't think the modern dynastic Egyptians created the pyramids either. I think they're far older. I think the dynastic Egyptians inherited them. Because you see that with the newer the pyramids that are the oldest are the most pristine. How does that work? Once you get up to like the bent pyramid, It's like they couldn't they couldn't do it.

1:26:31 Speaker 4: They couldn't figure it out. Again those and we've never found a tomb inside of a pyramid ever, Not one mummy has ever been discovered inside a pyramid, So this idea that their tombs is just ridiculous.

1:26:47 Speaker 5: Yeah.

1:26:47 Speaker 4: And they coordinate to like astrological perfection, yeah something Yes, So the base of the pyramid, the circumference of the pyramid, like whatever mathematics work out to the speed of light, and they're aligned exactly to astronomical north and they mimic the three stars of Orion's belt, Like how could you do that with your a hunter gatherer society? Yeah, I mean a lot of people like ancient Greeks figure out the Earth was round. I don't want to discount like human genius and ingenuity and you know, people's ability to have figured that out.

1:27:37 Speaker 4: But that stuff, some of that stuff's a taller like Nasca lines right like that. I mean that's a little more mysterious, I mean than the pyramids. Yeah, go back to the Tepee, which is older than and and and ah zep Tepe is even older, and it predates the flood like that. There's nothing that's supposed to have been able to do that, To create such vast, intricate complexes like Stonehenge looks like child's play in comparison to go backly Teppy, like unreal, and it was buried on purpose. It seems like something they knew something was coming.

1:28:23 Speaker 4: Do you do you think that humanity has been reset? The world has been reset? Yeah? I mean so, yeah, somewhere else. First encounter the only kind of took him through our history or whatever.

1:28:39 Speaker 2: Can you do?

1:28:40 Speaker 4: Can you take me through that? Sure?

1:28:42 Speaker 5: I mean to the best of your viiliny briefly, Yeah, So, like a lot of this is recorded in the Bible, and so humanity made lots of technological progress. I don't know what they were capable of. I don't know if they were like making aeroplanes or whatever. And initially the Yellow heame their main government didn't want the scientists to create human life like that.

1:29:16 Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

1:29:17 Speaker 5: So they were afraid at that at this time with their understanding with that at that time, they were afraid that we might become a threat to them. So okay, so that's kind of like what the flood was. That was like the West, I guess I would say, I.

1:29:40 Speaker 4: Mean every culture across they all have the flood story and it's in the geological record as well. If you look at some of the erosion on the Sphinx, right, it's it's clear that some sort.

1:29:52 Speaker 5: Of like.

1:29:55 Speaker 4: Very large amount of water came through very quickly, very fast, and the younger driest impact theory this is where that is. You know, whether it was a comet that impacted you know, that melted some of the glacial ice and then that came you know that that raised ocean levels across the world right so much so that water just ripped through everything and we see evidence of that. So again I think that you know the problem with humanity right now is we're so we're so we need to like, no, we need to think we have control, right, that we understand everything.

1:30:49 Speaker 4: They want us to believe that the world is black and white zero one, yes or no, but it's so much more gray. They're robbing us of something but not telling us that we're not alone in the universe. Right.

1:31:05 Speaker 5: It might not all be nefarious for people keeping secrets, you know, but I think it's natural for scientists now to think that, you know, we have the most scientific understanding we've ever had, and I suppose we might, But that doesn't mean that in a thousand years, how much more we can learn and figure out and realize how much we have now is wrong.

1:31:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't have this sense of time in that in that way. Have you ever seen anything you couldn't explain? No, I've never seen No.

1:31:44 Speaker 5: I've never I've met people, you know, I've met Randans who have seen flying saucers or whatever, but I've never, to my knowledge.

1:31:52 Speaker 4: I've never seen one. Yes, can you tell me a story about one of these Raelian sights?

1:32:02 Speaker 5: So I had a friend who was leading, like I don't love some kind of railing gathering, and and she

1:32:14 Speaker 5: had this feeling, this like intuitive urge to like look at the sky. So a couple of people that were with her, she's.

1:32:21 Speaker 4: Like, look, and there's something else, you know, and a disk girl light, like a disk d of thing really and is broad daylight? Yeah, it was during the day and.

1:32:34 Speaker 5: Something else happened to She's like, I can't quite remember where, Like she could tell where it was going to be, and she's like, oh, now there and.

1:32:42 Speaker 4: There was that something like that. Interesting. Interesting.

1:32:49 Speaker 5: So I want to say too though, like in regards to the flood and this reset the one who didn't know that they were part of this infinite chain of creation that I was talking about. But after the flood

1:33:05 Speaker 5: they realized it that their own creators had set up with some sort of spacecraft or archive that landed on their planet because apparently they their planet was destroyed somehow, some sort of solar cosmic disaster. I don't know, they don't really give detail on this, but at any rate, some spacecraft had been set around the Elephant's planet and landed and I don't know, like waid it all out on.

1:33:39 Speaker 4: The table, so to speak.

1:33:41 Speaker 5: So that's when the yellophant realized like, oh, like this isn't just some like scientific experiment to like throw away like these are our our children. And so that's that's when they started guiding us and helping us and really loving us. The whole reason that we were saved Caromoflowers because of the scientists that created us, I mean loved us as their children. But the that's government so apprehensive that they hadn't allowed this, the credous creation to happen at first.

1:34:17 Speaker 4: Whoah.

1:34:18 Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know we talk about what if they're really tricksters, right, trying to get just like you know, but the whole history we look at any religion, if they're tricksters, man, they're playing the long game, right, because every religion teaches to love one another and to be peaceful. Now, of course humanity is twisted religions to fit its own selfish needs right where, and that's how you get people using God to justify conflicts and wars and likes and whatever.

1:34:57 Speaker 4: Yeah.

1:34:58 Speaker 5: So but if you look at historically how the Eleanham have taught us and then rent, it's like it is through this this desire of love and kindness.

1:35:10 Speaker 4: So and that's why I don't think they're tricksters either.

1:35:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what for thousands of years, you tell these people like to be all about love and peace and then only to be yeah, evil and deceit, right right, right? Maybe, so I guess.

1:35:32 Speaker 4: Maybe more of a concern now that you're saying it would be one of these other humanities trying to pretend that they're the eleg to get you know what I mean?

1:35:43 Speaker 5: Could that be where I don't some of this, I don't think so. I don't think they know their origins because in the bit of the message that the Elem gave us about these other humanities, please say that it's our job to give them the message of the elect for us to explain to them their.

1:36:03 Speaker 4: Or general creation. Mm hmm. Interesting.

1:36:10 Speaker 5: So then what's fucked is like if these other humanities are in contact with our individual governments, then as Aralian, it's like, how do I how do I talk to them?

1:36:21 Speaker 2: Right?

1:36:22 Speaker 4: Right?

1:36:24 Speaker 2: Wow?

1:36:25 Speaker 4: But I don't know that they've they've made it so far, you know, I don't know.

1:36:31 Speaker 5: Man.

1:36:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's a story right octight too, because I think this so President Eisenhower using pomp Springs actually contacting deserts held and it's I mean, it's it's Coachella Valley it's gorgeous, it's you know, just resort after resort. It's one of those places. But Eisenhower was out there and he goes missing. For all intentsive purposes, he goes missing. Secret Service doesn't know where he is. For the most part, no one knows where he is. The press even wrote pre wrote an article about his death because they thought that he was missing.

1:37:18 Speaker 4: They thought they were trying to hide that he had passed away, and they were getting ready, so they wrote this article, this press, this article, what you known website, jeesus, this newspaper wrote an article like getting ready for his death. And he was gone for like twelve hours, and reportedly in that twelve hours, what happened was he was ushered out. And the official story is that he had dental work, secret dental work that he needed, so he disappeared, And it just doesn't happ dental. There's no record of him having any dental because all that stuff is recorded the President's logs.

1:38:05 Speaker 4: So unless he didn't want people to know he was having a tooth extraction, like, it doesn't make sense. But others have said that no, what actually happened was Eisenhower was they needed to take him to a secure facility close by. We don't know what facility, but I can speculate what's close by, Southern California. Right, it's a helicopter ride away. Right, I'll let the audience in firm. But there's only a few places. And apparently there he met alien beings or I don't like the word alien, I like non human.

1:38:51 Speaker 4: They were non human intelligence. He met them there and they had said that they want did to help us, and that if we disarmed, aren't nuclear arsenal, Well, we'll give you tech free tech like zero point technology. Will give that to you and will help you usher in a new age of paradise. Right, sounds similar, so something and he wouldn't do it because he wouldn't. He wouldn't disarmed because he said, if I disarmed, the Russians are going to disarm. No one else is good in disarm.

1:39:35 Speaker 5: So.

1:39:37 Speaker 2: He can't.

1:39:37 Speaker 4: He couldn't take that risk.

1:39:39 Speaker 2: And then.

1:39:41 Speaker 4: There's another story about a Holloman Air Force based landing where something else occurred and he was given this offer again, but there was no disarmament deal. It was from like a gray species. That's the story that. So he was offered it by a set of race that was asking to disarm our nukes and will in turn, we'll give you technology that will change the world. He turned it down, and then another species came through and said, Hey, you don't got to disarm, but we'll give you the technology, but you have to let us abduct and do the you know, come as we want.

1:40:29 Speaker 4: That's the lore. How spot on is it? I don't know. Right, these are all stories. They're obviously unconfirmed stories, but a lot of people said that it's true. So I mean, if it's not the Alohat, then who are what is happening? That's my question. If it's not the Alohat, what who are all these things that are visiting us? If that's real.

1:40:56 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean all this stuff gets wrapped up in its own mythology and takes on a life of its own.

1:41:04 Speaker 5: But yeah, there's like these common threads of people from space wanting to help. Yeah, it could be it could even be Yellow Him posing as great as I guess against speculation, and they're just kind of testing humanity, like, oh, let's see, would they disarm if if we just outright said we would help them, and you know, they say no, And so then they know like that we're not ready. That's interesting. Yeah, that's that's interesting. Right, that's the kind of thing that I think might have I don't know.

1:41:44 Speaker 5: I don't think Rayel's ever said anything to my knowledge about that.

1:41:47 Speaker 4: But it's like, who was the person that they were going to sacrifice their child? Oh, Abraham, Abraham right, story of Abraham?

1:41:59 Speaker 5: Right?

1:42:00 Speaker 4: And then at the last minute God and it's stopped. Right, Yeah, you prove or you were, Like was he deceived by the devil? I can't remember. Yeah. So, like, so there's.

1:42:16 Speaker 5: Two of the yellow him. One is Yahweh and one Satan. Satan is oh what Satan is one who believes that creating humanity was a mistake because we're so violent. And so he is an eloheman himself.

1:42:32 Speaker 4: Yes, but he's not like evil. He just different.

1:42:39 Speaker 5: He just thinks that we were a mistake because we're so violent, and that there's no there's no recourse.

1:42:47 Speaker 4: To set us on the right path. He hopes we do.

1:42:52 Speaker 5: Like, he still loves us, he's just not convinced that we're gonna get our ship together. And anyways, so the deal with Abraham was, look, these people are so.

1:43:09 Speaker 4: Stupid.

1:43:10 Speaker 6: Watch I'll get him to kill the kid. Yeah, I thought I could convince this guy to kill his own son. And then as he was about to do it, they were like, no, don't actually fucking do it. That's yeah, so that's your tricks around it, I suppose, right, But but it's to see.

1:43:31 Speaker 5: Lucifer is the third one. Lucifer is one of the Lucifer because Lucifer means light bringer or something. Yeah, so because he brought the light scientific knowledge to the humans that they created. So he was part of the team that created humans against the regulations of the Elephant's government. They created the humans anyway, and we are going through with the cloning, right, and they loved their creations, the humans they made, and so when the government realized that humans have been made, they were like, okay, well that right, So just don't teach them any scientific knowledge.

1:44:17 Speaker 5: You can teach them about like plants and animals and things, but don't teach them like how to build nukes, what airplanes, I don't know, whatever.

1:44:25 Speaker 4: Show them agriculture, keep show them how to keep themselves alives? You don't. Yeah, but.

1:44:34 Speaker 5: Lucifer and his team were like, but we love them. Is our children or is our equals? So we want to teach them, and so that's how he was the guard.

1:44:44 Speaker 4: Yes, the garden h very interesting, very very interesting from from your world view. What happens when a it does nothing? Elaborate? Man, that's it lights out? Why so what what would happen?

1:45:11 Speaker 2: Why?

1:45:12 Speaker 4: What happened? Before? You were alive? Nothing? You weren't anything.

1:45:18 Speaker 5: I mean you were you were the floor, you were dirt, I see, you know, and when you die, you'll just go back to being nothing.

1:45:28 Speaker 4: But doesn't that seem wasteful? Wasteful? Yeah, the universe is a lot of things, but wasteful. It is not okay,

1:45:40 Speaker 4: why why would why would this be finite? Why would our being? Why would our essence be finite? I mean, in a way, it's not right.

1:45:55 Speaker 5: There's no destruction of matter just takes a different form, right,

1:46:02 Speaker 5: because it's just it's just the I mean, consciousness is just awareness.

1:46:08 Speaker 4: So you're saying you're just clone, you're just.

1:46:11 Speaker 5: Madter that's aware that you're mad, and so when you die, just that awareness stops.

1:46:21 Speaker 4: That's hard to process for a lot of people. Yeah, because that would mean that we need eternal life and we need to clone. Because I don't think so if there's no difference. If there's no difference, right, if when we die lights up, then I want this ride to go on for fucking thousands. Sure, yeah, right, that's one way to look at it. If there's no haven in hell,

1:46:55 Speaker 4: lock me in, like let's start cloning. Yeah, I get that. Yeah.

1:47:00 Speaker 5: But also it makes life more precious, it does, you know, to It helps emphasize how important it is to be kind to one another and to cherish each moment you have with the people yeah that you love, you know,

1:47:21 Speaker 5: fuck man, so you know people's people say or think that.

1:47:26 Speaker 4: It's scary to.

1:47:28 Speaker 5: Know that, Like you know, your best friend or your family members member isn't in heaven or something.

1:47:35 Speaker 4: But I don't even want them in heaven. I want them to be like riding down the the ancestral plane, right, like I want them on the next adventure, the next adventure. Not that this adventure stops and that's the only adventure, but there's another venture waiting behind that this one. Right, I think that's what I want, is another adventure. Well, the matter that you become will become something else, right, the matter that you and I are composed of Once upon a time where Roman I'm not. That's not you can get down like this can of worms with like reincarnation and all this.

1:48:27 Speaker 4: Right, Well, that's that's not what I'm getting at.

1:48:31 Speaker 5: I just mean, you die, you go back into the ground, the ground becomes something else, becomes a tree.

1:48:38 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not that you. You haven't like you as in.

1:48:42 Speaker 5: Your mind or whatever you think your personality is, haven't become the tree. Right, It's not like this sort of fantasy reincarnation, just like just like the.

1:48:55 Speaker 4: Just like the star nest that I'm made up, isn't the star reborn, right, it's just matter that's putashed itself or reformed into something else. Hm oooh, that's that's a that's a bitter fucking pill. You realize that, sure? Because religion, right, and this is interesting to me, this whole thing you gots don't think there's an afterlife, right, and for religion,

1:49:32 Speaker 4: I mean that's opposite. Usually religion, in my opinion, has been around to help people cope with death and to live. Right. Don't thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not murder? I should say you can kill it, just you know, because you can kill to eat, but you can't murder. You can't murder another human, but you can defend yourself and you know that means it's you or them, like and you have to kill them. That's not you murdering them, that's you defending your your own life. Megree. So there is a difference between taking a life and murder.

1:50:18 Speaker 4: Murders typically done in an aggressive, either premeditated or enraged state, right, killing Like if someone's if something, someone who's attacking you with an axe, and you got that axe, and the only way to stop them from you know, then jumping on your throat is for you to unfortunately do what you gotta do and they lose their life. Yeah, who's right? I don't know, man, I'm not convinced. Well, there's no happening there out it doesn't matter, does it. I don't know. I mean I still think it does matter.

1:50:56 Speaker 4: I mean, i'll tell you what.

1:50:58 Speaker 5: I think. That's kind of a chief argument, because that's what any any Christian would say. Why you can't even be atheist, right, you just have no sense of morality. But in fact I think I think that's yeah, that's short changing human nature.

1:51:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I agree. Most people just want to they want to be kind. They don't want conflict, right, nine point nine percent of the time, the people I meet just want to get to where they're going and do what they're doing. Like, no one wants to get fight you. But there's that one point one percent, right, So that's off that off that beaten path. Wait, I don't know if you're what if the next question is going to change the topic. But so I also want to mention the idea of heaven comes from the elements, planet of eternals, because I mentioned through cloning they've achieved eternal life, and so for some people from Earth, they do recreate them to live amongst their eternals eternal So there is some sort of there could be some sort of essens, but.

1:52:13 Speaker 5: It's not something exclusive to the element necessarily, right right, right, And when that day comes, we'll have to figure out, like what qualifications are we going to look for in people that we allowed to do because not everyone can you can't just.

1:52:32 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, right, like billion people kill them. They don't recreate all their own people for eternal life. You know, they have whatever qualifications and tests or whatever they do, I would do. That's where morality came comes in.

1:52:47 Speaker 5: If we're on that sort of like if you're like, well, I want to be recreated for eternal life so I won't kill I still don't know that actually makes you a good personal right.

1:52:56 Speaker 4: Well, what I'm saying, Yeah, what I'm saying is people who live a more like genuine life. Those would be the people you'd want to grant eternal life to. Sure, not someone who's a serial criminal, right, or someone who's consistently not learning their lesson. It's not that they can't learn their lesson, it's just you know, you haven't yet, so you haven't shown us that you can can, that you've earned this right. So again I think that's I like that you brought that up, though I don't even know where, because that's frightening.

1:53:39 Speaker 4: It just frightens me that this lights out and I don't know why. I don't know,

1:53:50 Speaker 4: because that makes it so finite. It makes this ride the only ride. So now I'm like, if that's true, we need to get on this crisper ship. Right. Do you have the Raelians successfully cloned a human being? I don't. I mean, what's the official narrative.

1:54:14 Speaker 5: That Bridge did clone at least one human baby named Eve? And I mean she would be in her twenties now or something. Do you think that it is true? I think it's possible. Yeah, it doesn't like feel like it affects me one way or the other, I guess, you know. But if they've done it, we need to.

1:54:46 Speaker 4: Like do more, do more?

1:54:47 Speaker 5: Sure, Like let's get over this little play god bullshit.

1:54:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, like.

1:54:54 Speaker 4: If we can do it, we can do it. See, we can put guardrails on it. We don't have to, let you know, like, yeah, I'm not giving everyone a time machine, right.

1:55:03 Speaker 5: Right, And this is why I mean, like just clone pets, you know, just give people a few years to just kind of get comfortable with that.

1:55:10 Speaker 4: With that, Yeah, that's my push is like clone your pets and then normalize again generations, generations, decades, because normal there's a normalcy to so again. But that that process would have to begin with Bridget saying I didn't here's the proof. Why haven't we got that?

1:55:34 Speaker 6: It was?

1:55:35 Speaker 4: It was to protect the use. Yeah, but he was a miracle arguably sure. Yeah, Okay, what does Ral think I think he trusts Bridget a US? Has he met Eve? I don't know. I've never heard one way or the other nation show what is there any like company line that you have to tell no, not really or you have to believe. That's I mean really like if you wanted like the deep scoop, it's that. Yeah. I mean some Raylans just don't care.

1:56:19 Speaker 5: I think I'm kind of one of them, and then some Yeah, I have strong opinion, you know, I think this was something kind of divisive within the movement.

1:56:27 Speaker 4: This is that was around the time I was getting involved, So I don't know like the internal drama that happened, but from from other friends I've spoken with, it was yeah, I mean it was overwhelming. So to have this media coverage too. Christianity they get the news for, but the Catholic Church I should say, uh, get is you know they're the news for what you know? What wink break what we all know?

1:56:58 Speaker 5: Uh?

1:56:58 Speaker 4: And the Raelians are in the news because they may have cloned right? What the fuck kind of upside down when we live in it? Right? Where they call you a cult and them a religion? The fuck is that this?

1:57:15 Speaker 2: What do you mean?

1:57:17 Speaker 4: They're they're guilty of what? Like God, what do you mean sex parties? Like they started talking about that in the Netflix documentary. I go, this is coming from the fucking place, but that that Epstein Island recurred with you, like, don't don't lecture me about like at least it's all consensual in this case. You know, there's no there's no lawsuits that I can find that allege anyone has ever ever claimed that they were assaulted by real or anyone else. So like, what are we talking about here?

1:57:56 Speaker 4: We're just discrediting because we're cloning you. One of us is making brain chips. Peter Thiel might be the anti Christ, but Rayel's the problem.

1:58:08 Speaker 5: What the.

1:58:10 Speaker 4: Part of my French here? Yeah, it's just because people are up tight about sex.

1:58:14 Speaker 5: You know, we don't have big organized sex parties, right, but we say you don't have to be monogamous, right you know once, I mean we supported you know, if you're gay or trans, like we've always supported that, so I mean decades ago, that was.

1:58:34 Speaker 4: You know, challenging. That is a no goal. Yeah, it's no gown. A lot of people are very particular and reserved about It's almost like you guys are actually you guys are exactly what you say you are. And I think that's what people don't they're scared of that. Yeah right, Yeah, because you guys say you're like, listen, there's no soul, right, clothing like that's the next step to eternal life.

1:59:03 Speaker 5: We know.

1:59:03 Speaker 4: That's like, come on, guys, the clues are all around us, right, yeah, and then you know I've never met God mm hmm.

1:59:14 Speaker 4: But you might see like Jesus's face on a piece of toast, right, you know, and that might be proof, right, But I have seen a UFO and it made me so. It ignited something at me. It lit a fire inside me. The question for truth, which led me to sitting down here with you, led me to sit down with members of the conclus It's meant led me to places I never dreamed possible. Do you believe in something like feet destiny?

1:59:51 Speaker 5: No? No, everything is about your own responsibility to us. There was a lab I gotta I got it for it.

2:00:01 Speaker 4: Maybe you won't lab this did this? Jamie, Jamie, bring it up. Uh, find out which lab did this? Did this? But they correct then just look up you're rogan, Jamie.

2:00:23 Speaker 6: Look it up.

2:00:24 Speaker 4: Find out which lab did this. They froze water, but they spoke to the water, and yeah, it was some university lab that did it. And essentially what so they would speak, they would speak to the to the water and then freeze it. And they would use words that had positive connotation and negative connotation, right, Yeah, and the they'd freeze it and then they pull it and the ones that had words like love, the crystals would freeze beautifully writes all symmetrical, perfect, beautiful crystals, right, crystal instructure.

2:01:06 Speaker 4: And then where its like hate or war or you know, racism, the structure would be wild and wonky. So what they were concluded after various run throughs is that your intent matters. Your words you speak into existence matters. It affects the matter around you essentially, right. So that's why when you're having a good day, you hit every green light, right, because you're vibing right, you're in a positive mentality. But then there's the day where you wake up and you knock your shit off the metal piece of something on the bed, and then you hit every red light.

2:01:58 Speaker 4: Everyone's a piece of shit one could drive, you know, and everything goes wrong. I think it's a testament to that. Yeah, that's I mean what you're talking about. There is also your perception.

2:02:10 Speaker 5: If you think you're having a bad day, you're going to just notice all the things that you think are bad.

2:02:17 Speaker 4: So it's about having your headscool industry too. There is no good or bad day, it's just how you decide to see it. That's an interesting answer, yeah, because that's arguably also true. You'd be honing in on the negativity.

2:02:34 Speaker 3: It's the Institute of Nodic Sciences. So the Institute of Yes n O E T I see Sciences. Yes, it's no, it's I think it's no no attic whoops.

2:02:52 Speaker 4: But it's doctor.

2:02:54 Speaker 3: Mass Sirou and Moto.

2:02:57 Speaker 4: Yeah. So that's the first half of credit that I told this story at one hundred times, never credited the lab. So finally, what lab was it? From? University of that? That's what it was?

2:03:11 Speaker 3: The institute that I just said, what was it again?

2:03:17 Speaker 4: Just excited the yamh oh, the Institute of Noedic Sciences. Okay, so that's the lab the accreditation that it came from, and it was doctor Okay, I got it, got it, got the Noetic Institute got it. So I just found it to be interesting. And they also said that people,

2:03:41 Speaker 4: large amounts of people had This is a different study, but they put random number generators all around, all all over the place, like from my you know, like all over the place, and it was groups of people could affect the outcome of the numbers. It's supposed to be random, but it would start coming up as like targeted, like a group could think it into a specific number. And then there's a you know these stories of people before nine to eleven, before Parl Harbor, who had dreams of being attacked the night before.

2:04:30 Speaker 4: Ye, so like premonition, you know, destiny? Could could it be something that you know time? We know time's not linear, it's just how we perceive it. Yeah, I don't know if it's like some weird ton temporal thing. I think it's more like a donut when it comes to like.

2:04:48 Speaker 5: Like I read a story once of someone who you know, had an important flight to take and then the night before he was like, oh they got to cancel, and then that flight like had a crack crash. Right. I don't think that's like having a premonition, you know, something like nine to eleven. Maybe you're picking up something, you're picking up the plant, you know, like there's.

2:05:12 Speaker 4: Something major catastrophe.

2:05:16 Speaker 5: Yeah, or I don't know, I don't know how to say it, Like because there's people planning to do something and so you're picking up the brain waves of negative vibes. I don't know, again, something like that.

2:05:32 Speaker 4: So you don't think there's anything like ghosts in the form of like dead people walking. But again, what about when I said where it could be an echo of that? Definitely don't think so, because like when you die, like all that stuff just disperses. Your body just rots and whatever energy you have.

2:05:52 Speaker 2: So grim.

2:05:55 Speaker 4: So that's one of the most grim sentences anyone's ever spoken in this room. Your body rots and good. I don't know. I don't think there's I don't think there's ghosts, you know. Yeah, so all of that's bullshit. Yeah, so I don't think there's you think big that's bullshit? Yeah yeah, Okay, now that we've gotten out of the right and yeah, we're asking big questions here, the big ones, the existential ones. Yeah. So I don't think there's like fate And I don't know. I have like weird ideas about free will anyway, you know, because I think on some level we're just we're just like a reflection of the different things that have come to us.

2:06:45 Speaker 4: We're just a reaction to different events, you know. But it's also very interesting that you you not only you, but you the Raelian movement. Would you say that you are a representation of the belief system in the movement. Do most Ralians think ghosts of bullshit and bigfoots bullshit? Yeah? The most Yeah, ghost definitely, I don't like probably find But that's it's an interesting to me. And that there's no salt, right, so there's no habits, there's no help.

2:07:25 Speaker 5: That's the I mean, heaven, hell, soul, God like that, sulfs like fundamental.

2:07:32 Speaker 4: And that's what I mean. So that's fun. It's fun that that's it's fair to say that that is a belief that is held among all Radians. And that's interesting to me because you know, it's you guys are like it's interesting that again you're saying exactly who you are and you're kind of like calculated. It's like, it's the it's the common sense answer to each issue. Right. What happens when we die? Nothing?

2:08:04 Speaker 5: Right?

2:08:05 Speaker 4: Nothing? You go, you recycled into the world and you create life. You know what I mean. It's a cycle. But just like the evaporation of water, it's like we're going back into the oil. It's the oil put the soil and then you know, we can clone. We gotta clone then, so how do we get our How do we get our essence into a cloned body? How do I so? Do I no longer exist? Say I clone myself? Do I no longer exist as me? And the clone? Their brain develops and creates its own consciousness that has my memories?

2:08:53 Speaker 4: Yea? So do you mind if I gotad to continue?

2:09:00 Speaker 5: So when Rail went to the element's planet, they showed him how this process works in some big machine and we could watch the body taking form and then like stepping out of the machine to walk and talk to him. And so the eleant took a sample of Rayel and made a clone him, and they said something like, you know, now there's another woman and we're we're going to.

2:09:30 Speaker 4: Destroy it because there doesn't need to be two of them.

2:09:34 Speaker 5: So by knowing that his personality is already taking on a different form than he because he knows he's going to be destroyed, but that he's okay with it because he knows he's just a copy.

2:09:47 Speaker 4: So I think this is like.

2:09:50 Speaker 5: Some sort of philosophical question with the Martian problem, where

2:09:58 Speaker 5: there's some philosopher opposed this scenario, where maybe there's you know, we have some technology that can instantly teleport us to Mars, right, right, And you and all and your friends have all been doing this and they're like, oh, yeah, it's great. You can go to Mars and you can come back in an instant.

2:10:15 Speaker 4: It's awesome. And they finally convince you to do it.

2:10:21 Speaker 4: So you go to this machine and you find out that actually it's not in some teleportation. They just clone you onto Mars and destroy your current body on Earth. She but for all intents and purposes, it's you on Mars.

2:10:43 Speaker 4: So I which is you? Well? You know? So now can there be two of you? I mean yeah, because there's no way sharing the same experience, right, so you cancome two different piece win?

2:11:00 Speaker 6: Right?

2:11:00 Speaker 5: Twins are I mean identical twins are genetically the same, but they have completely different lives.

2:11:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I want to go see Mare with myself, sure, but I wouldn't want my clones to see it. I get the argument the debate. It isn't a good thought experiment, But it's almost like a branch timeline, right because as soon as that clone is then created, if it is, if it is standalone conscious, it's life is it might remember mine, but it's not it's life. It's life began that moment, but it thinks that it is the same life,

2:11:45 Speaker 4: so it doesn't know. At least I didn't know.

2:11:49 Speaker 5: It's a copy, you know, like the you that's on Earth is told that actually it's going to be it's not in teleportation.

2:11:57 Speaker 4: It's going to be a copy.

2:11:59 Speaker 5: But I guess I don't want I'd have to like reread this because I'm not sure what the Mars copy knows.

2:12:07 Speaker 4: Okay, because I'd be interested to follow up on that.

2:12:11 Speaker 5: But it's just another one of those kind of questions like how do these traditional religious beliefs about identity souls? How does that stand up to modern future technology? And it doesn't and they don't have an answer for it. And that's where I think the Railian explanations are unique in interest, where they're primed to help guide people through these these tough questions, and that is what a religion does, helps you through the beau And they didn't write like, so Christianity doesn't help you.

2:12:53 Speaker 4: They just say no, no cloning right, no genetically modifying this or tree. They don't have right.

2:13:05 Speaker 5: And every time they've been challenged with scientific discoveries, they have to completely like.

2:13:10 Speaker 4: Oh no, actually love right, Yeah, actually.

2:13:14 Speaker 5: I've always known that the Earth spins around the sun and God works in mysterious ways, and they always.

2:13:19 Speaker 4: Have to come up with something, but they're always back. They are always back. And they because they recently said that they would baptize an alien and it was like they seem alien wants to be baptized in creep, Like what are you targeting about?

2:13:39 Speaker 5: Does that mean?

2:13:40 Speaker 4: Whatever? You don't him in your water? Like what what is he gonna be? Like, I'm changed right? Like that that sounds so stupid because again they're positioning themselves as the authority and again we're equal, but we're not again, not above them just because you know, you you have to baptize them. They're the advanced specie. What are you talking about?

2:14:08 Speaker 5: Right? You know obviously I don't believe this, but what if what if it were the reverse? Like what if the alien? What if extratristules came to us? And we're like, you need to believe in.

2:14:18 Speaker 4: Our our source. Yeah, there is a story ready early on. I believe it's Georgia Dampski. I'm not. I'm not sure.

2:14:30 Speaker 5: I don't know if it's his case. Maybe Jamie can look it up. She's like, I've never doing this again.

2:14:42 Speaker 4: But they would give him trinkets and they told him that one of the drinkets was a statue of what they called this source, which is what they prayed to essentially, And yeah, I don't know, like he had he was one of these guys who had like amazing pictures of like clear flyingness that one like Billy Meyers. Those guys so interesting, you know, like bookmark like you know, so I just look for that commonality and uh, aget it sounds like, what like, what are model like? Because again,

2:15:33 Speaker 4: profits if we believed that they existed at all, really, then why do we have such a hard time with saying that one exists?

2:15:44 Speaker 2: Now?

2:15:46 Speaker 5: Yeah?

2:15:47 Speaker 4: Yeah really actually it makes no sense. The same place where you have to swear, like in courtrooms on the Bible,

2:16:04 Speaker 4: you know, swear, Oh why do we Why do.

2:16:09 Speaker 6: We do that?

2:16:09 Speaker 5: Because it threatens the status quos authority? Right, Jokesph Smith? Like Mormons, people in the Church of Latter Day Things.

2:16:18 Speaker 4: Well, we pretend Christians, It's like, but what we we only do it when we when when when it doesn't impact when it suits our needs. Right in a courtroom, you swear in a Bible because like you know, it's it symbolizes the ultimate truth, right, because you can't lie to God, like you know that you won't, you won't lie in front of God. Right. We use it when it's convenient, like it's interesting to me. And again, we fight wars and we justify doing those things because you know, our God is the righteous one or whatever it's it's just makes it's it seems like more of a form of control mm hm, whereas realism is not.

2:17:07 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, you want to talk about people using religion to manipulate us, it's not the element.

2:17:13 Speaker 4: It's not extra stress for listen, you know we do it.

2:17:15 Speaker 2: We do it, we do it, we do it.

2:17:17 Speaker 4: Just find ourselves. We are our own worst enemy in most cases. And again, yeah, I want to I want to come back to this idea of like a whether you said, like a universal icon or statue or something. Yes, yeah, source, it was a a trinket like a statue for lack of a better term of what they called the source. It's like what they prayed to, what they thought created that. So Rails explained that our symbol, this star David with the swas in twine, which is that.

2:18:01 Speaker 5: Sure, I'm gonna actually, I'm gonna zoom in on you, okay for a moment.

2:18:09 Speaker 4: You do you mind holding it up clearer?

2:18:14 Speaker 2: Can you lift it?

2:18:16 Speaker 5: Yeah? I can also overlay a picture of it.

2:18:22 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:18:23 Speaker 5: So Rails explained that this is like a universal symbol because it represents the infinite nature of the universe, that our planets and stars are the atoms of some infinitely huge being and our atoms.

2:18:46 Speaker 4: Are the stars and planets of infinitely small beings. So civilizations sort have reached this understanding of the universe. They all recognize the symbol as a symbol of infinity. It's very interesting. So even the yellowing he meditate in front of this symbol, and that's how they see us as equal to them too. They do the same meditations that we did for the same we have the same human nature. Yeah, and people, I think people are really quick to jump, Like you say swastika and they're like, oh, what that signifies the German Reich, right, and but they took it well.

2:19:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a lot like the Nazi Party would not have existed if if it wasn't for bankers in the United States funding the startup of the party. So yeah, I agree with you. Oh, I just mean it's like a cynical take on modern day anyway. Right, they labeled that with that and they say, oh, that's bad, but that symbol was taken. They took that symbol and they co opted it. But that symbol it existed before them and was meant for it was a symbol of peace. Right, So then there's the Star of David. And then obviously there's another connotation there.

2:20:13 Speaker 4: It's like the opposite. It's the ones who were victimized by the people that wore the swas tickets. So combining it like probably just sounds weird, right, but those are again, these are these are these are not symbols that you don't just own a symbol. But it combines too, is what you're saying.

2:20:35 Speaker 5: It's like intertwined represents infinite time, there's no getting ahead.

2:20:41 Speaker 4: And then what does the star represent?

2:20:43 Speaker 5: So the start running up represents our planets and atoms her planets and starts being the.

2:20:49 Speaker 4: Atoms of some huge being and then they started running down?

2:20:52 Speaker 5: Is the reverse interesting? So there's no heaven, there's no how, there's no center to this infinite universe.

2:21:00 Speaker 4: Couldn't be a center, so there's no place for God to said, no place for souls to go or get sea older whatever people believe souls had to happen to them.

2:21:12 Speaker 5: Right.

2:21:13 Speaker 4: If what's one idea from your worldview that you wish more people would consider with an open mind?

2:21:30 Speaker 2: I don't know.

2:21:30 Speaker 4: I mean that's a that's a tough question, you know.

2:21:34 Speaker 5: I wish, yeah, I wish people took the movement more seriously.

2:21:40 Speaker 4: Sure, and and we're more open to what Rayl was talking about.

2:21:48 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, of course.

2:21:51 Speaker 4: If if if there is a skeptic that's that's listening, what question would you invite them to sit with rather than reject?

2:22:00 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

2:22:03 Speaker 5: You know something that gets asked to railings and interviews. I think it's a lot or what would you do if you found out if it was all fake? You know, that's the wrong question. I'd like to well, I like to kind of flip it, you know, like, what would you do if you found out all your beliefs and foundational ideas were fake? What if you found out evolutionless fake?

2:22:27 Speaker 2: Like?

2:22:27 Speaker 4: What is that due to you? Or is it due to society? How does it change how you see the world? Right?

2:22:37 Speaker 2: What do you.

2:22:39 Speaker 4: Would you continue believing in it anyway, would you be like, Okay, no, there must be some other kind of evidence out there that does prove it's real.

2:22:51 Speaker 2: People.

2:22:51 Speaker 5: I don't have a view, so it's hard for me to Oh yeah, I don't necessarily mean you, right, I just mean like people, I think they would struggle.

2:23:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think mentally they would break. Yeah, and that's I think it's a problem. Yeah, so anyone, I don't think that's I.

2:23:09 Speaker 5: Don't think that's the right question even to ask, Like, but you wouldn't ask, hope, Like if you if it was.

2:23:17 Speaker 4: All bullshit, what would you do the whole life you dedicated to? Yeah? Right, that's not a good question, right right. A good question is tell me why it is true? Right, So tell me why it is true?

2:23:30 Speaker 5: Because I think it bridges all these puzzle pieces together, and because we are facing the technologies that rail predicted that at the time, like cloning, right, I mean that's the big one, right, We're also staring down at proficient intelligence. Then I did say that, So at the time these i is were science fiction, and now decades later and here they are that we've chosen not to pursue cloning doesn't make it less.

2:24:13 Speaker 4: Less of a prediction come true.

2:24:17 Speaker 5: Right, So I think I think the fact that he's made these predictions and that they are coming to light. I mean even meditation. I remember speaking with the Ralian from some country in Africa, and when he got into it and he would practice meditation, people there thought he was in a cult, exiting demons whatever. You know, He's just meditating, you know, And it took decades of research for us to realize that the profound effects of meditation on the mind, in the human brain.

2:24:52 Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more So.

2:24:54 Speaker 5: I think I think the movement and the philosophy and our explanations are I think they're what people need at this time. You know, where we can't people can't buy God anymore. Plenty of people say they're Christian, they don't.

2:25:12 Speaker 4: Go to church. This is true. So and did you do do you notice like like and actually this is super prevalent right now, there's been like a weird resurgence in being like Christian in like Silicon Valley, like you know, like the Tucker Carlson's, like the Nick Fuentes is all these weird guys right Like it's it's like the pendulum like swung. Yeah, like a lot of people, like in the early two thousands, like late nineties, early two thousands, I think like going to church, that's like it's stuff slowly was on the decline, yeah right.

2:26:00 Speaker 4: People became more spiritual rather than like religious. But now the panzela's kind of.

2:26:06 Speaker 5: Swinging back and people are like overly yeah Christian now yeah, well I wonder if you know, because you're talking twenty years ago. And so now you have this younger generational that's come of age now yeah right, And in the nineties in like Bible Belt area, there's a huge resurgence of getting teens to be absent. Yeah right, so there was a huge outreach to younger people to be more Christian, to be more religious. Yeah, and so now that's all. Do you think that is a pace for the worse as do you think that is a place in.

2:26:45 Speaker 4: In in.

2:26:48 Speaker 2: Life?

2:26:49 Speaker 4: Like should religion be the one to say that? To say to me the authority on that on the authoritium?

2:26:59 Speaker 2: What?

2:27:02 Speaker 4: Mhmm. I don't the fact that you have to be abstinate like that, I mean, that's your choice. I don't. I could care less what you do. Just does that do you do you tell people like you have to be abstinate. No, we don't see anything one where is what I mean, like, live your life. It's kind of interesting that the other side does though. It's a way of controlling people mentally. Yeah yeah, damn yes, well I do think like I could also want to say, like I think it's okay if someone is Christian. Yeah, right, Like I think it's okay, Like we should be had a couple Yeah.

2:27:53 Speaker 4: Like I missed the days where you could be Democrat or Republican and you can just have a conversation and you might not disagree. I mean, but you might not agree all the time, but your disagreement doesn't make you an enemy. I long for that.

2:28:10 Speaker 5: Yeah, well this is you know, I says. But like, also the nature of Christianity is inherently divisive. You either believe in my God or they don't. So that's not you know, a Republican and a Democrat at least like believe in America. They both believe in the same thing, and they're just trying to figure out how to get there. But if you're Christian or Jewish or Muslim and someone's not that you're inherently in conflict with them. There was this ad, this political ad that I just saw. Maybe you can find it.

2:28:50 Speaker 4: It was too it was it was crazy. It was it was someone there were opponents Republican Democrats, and they didn't add a political ad together. And they were like, I think, you know this should be it should be run like this, and the other guy was like, no, I think it should be run like this. Vote for me. Then, you know, the other guy was like, no, this way, vote for me. And then they came together at the end and they were like, we don't have to like, we don't have to be tearing each other down. We all want the same thing, just we want different ways to get there.

2:29:29 Speaker 4: It's like, so they ran the ad together and then they said at the end, both of them said we approved this message. It was like whoa, Like that's that's that's what we need, like a Republican And you know it's probably like some you know, not meaningless election, but it's probably some low level but the ad was amazing to see like two candidates like just being like I don't hate you because you know, love the neighbor, like or you know, just be respectful of your neighbor and their right to exist right and their right to their opinion, like we can disagree, but we can also not be enemies.

2:30:14 Speaker 4: And I think again, that's what we're missing right now, is the sense of community, the sense of something that brings us all together, that unites us. Do you think Raylianism could do that?

2:30:28 Speaker 2: Yeah?

2:30:28 Speaker 4: One day, Yeah I do.

2:30:31 Speaker 5: Yeah. And that's another reason why I think it is true is that you know, I wouldn't be railing if if I had to stand out in front of a on the street with a sign that says Aliens hate Kaggs or whatever, like, I wouldn't.

2:30:46 Speaker 4: You couldn't. You couldn't pay me to do that. Yeah, okay, okay, so.

2:30:52 Speaker 2: Yeah and.

2:30:57 Speaker 4: There, So what message? What what message would you would you leave for people who feel maybe lost searching for truth about our reality in our existence. I think if you're looking for truth, that's a beautiful thing. I think.

2:31:19 Speaker 5: I think whatever answer would come to, so long as it doesn't hurt other people, I think it's fine. Yeah, But I think it's important to look for truth and not be satisfied with answers that you might have been told growing up. I think that's what's like innately interesting about the UFOs or UAPs or whatever is that. It seems that someone knows something and doesn't want you to know. Yeah, so I think it's important whatever the answer is.

2:31:52 Speaker 4: Do you think that knows that's something? I think yeah, Like, do you think that deep state knows something? They don't have all the pieces, right, they're not completely clued in, Yeah, but they know enough to know that there's a there that.

2:32:07 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:32:08 Speaker 5: I don't know that I would say anyone knows enough to think that the movement's a threat, you know, like, oh, these people did create us, but we got to like not tell people and we got to shoot them down if we see them. Like, I don't know, maybe that's happening, but that seems kind of like wild to me, you know. So I don't think I don't think people have I don't think the government has enough pieces to know something like that.

2:32:32 Speaker 4: See, you don't think they have like reverse engineered craft or anything they might. I know that a lot of people think that's what they Stealth jets were aar vs. You know, alien reproduction vehicles.

2:32:43 Speaker 5: Could be I've never heard of that, but I mean sure it could. Yeah, anything could be possible.

2:32:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, So yeah, I think you know the B two and this like the all bombers. I think there's more to those than we understand. Like the technology was, Uh, there's a guy T Towns in Brown and he broke so in the I believe in like the fifties, they kept all the scientists. It was all. It was a huge thing, and they were saying like the g Engines are coming, the g Engines. It was in Popular Mechanics magazine, like you know, they were saying like, we're right, we're this close to braiding gravity and being able to manipulate it in our favor and then boom nothing mhm.

2:33:42 Speaker 4: It's like nothing appened. I guess this doesn't work. Nope, there's this guy T Towns and Brown. Yeah, and that so T Towns and Brown and this other guy are those That's what the Byfield Brown effect is. And it's when you charge one side of the aircraft positive and you charge the other side negative, creating a magnetic bubble around the craft. So you're like, I'm not a scientist. There's some sort of technology there, but that they they're doing it with even the Stelt bombers, there's like they're highly charged particles on you know, on the positive side on one wing on the other it's like negative and that that's giving it some sort of other like bubble.

2:34:42 Speaker 4: So it's allowed, you know, it's that's still classified part of it. We know they exist, but we don't know about that side of it. But we think that the But what happened was it did they did craft gravity, but it went black because the National Security the Patent Office was born and that now you had to patent everything and had to go through the government, and they can What they could do is they could you would file for a pattern, they would slap a national security tag on it, and then you could only do business with the US government.

2:35:24 Speaker 4: You you're you can't sell it anywhere else and if you do, it's treason mhm. So they that's helped me lock up technology like locking up on h the public. That's how they keep things up back, you know, because Tesla, what I mean, do you hear that like a buzzing?

2:35:50 Speaker 2: Do you hear that? Yeah? What is that? H M?

2:36:01 Speaker 4: I thought she was like zoom out the candles mh.

2:36:06 Speaker 3: To be honest, I wouldn't even know how to do that.

2:36:11 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, h mm hmm.

2:36:28 Speaker 4: I let everything touch you might be causing feedback and then the cell phone turn about Wi Fi. I can hear that, not as much as before.

2:36:56 Speaker 5: M h m hmm.

2:37:00 Speaker 2: Okah kah.

2:37:06 Speaker 7: Rye, it's going right there all I heah. Interesting, it's like super faint but not fat. Yeah, alright, anyway back in uh tesla mhm.

2:37:31 Speaker 4: They could have gone with his work. They went with because you could put a meter on Edison's work. So it's just corporate greed. Yeah, has a fear story about this. I don know all the details, and they go, you know, just I don't know oil companies for trained companies, burying competitor technology, right, yep. It's very sad because there's been guys like Stanley Myers who created like a hydrogen engine and he was poisoned in a cracker barrel. Yeah, so it must be suicide. Yeah right, it's always suicide.

2:38:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always they shoot themselves in the back of the head twice, You're like, it's a suicide. The hell. But we're going to get into a member's only section soon, and just a moment, we're already a little bit run late. Just a couple of questions rapid fire for the members. But this has been really really interesting, really really interesting and I would love to continue the conversation, you know, sometime again in a larger uh capacity, maybe we could. I'll figure something out. But I'd like these kind of like bringing not just talking about like UFOs and current disclosure, but how other people see the world.

2:39:13 Speaker 4: It's fascinating to me too because there's little things that I learned, and it's always it's always something that you might not even see in the moment, but it's always like in hindsight, so or hindsight being to me tony. So where can people like, do you have like a website? I don't even know how to ask.

2:39:34 Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, you can go to wrail dot org. You can find all of Rail's books of detail on these encounters, coming technologies, more about philosophy and meditation, all of his well, I don't know, I guess not probably not all, but there's hundreds of videos of home speaking

2:39:58 Speaker 5: different meditation tracks. We have transcripts of the speeches. So it's a lot of philosophy. You know, you can talk about disclosure and what does the government know or hiding or you can talk about that all day, but what do you do how do.

2:40:15 Speaker 4: You make sense of the universe? Ones saw that comes to light. I mean, that's what we have an answer for. I think. So you're planning for what comes next. Yes, you know it's coming, it's just when, Yes, and you're just getting You're like, okay, I've already accepted the fact that it that's the truth. We're getting ready.

2:40:35 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's why I don't know this. Maybe this plays into why we're not worried about converting people like they're coming. We're honor way to wealth and we're honored way to building the ends. Like I mentioned, So this is just preparing people for what's going to happen. And so when they come back and when eventually traditional religions disappear, something means to fill that void. Humans are inherently spiritual, and so how can how do we h redefine what spirituality is or how do we how do we approach the future with the scientific knowledge that we're going to have, and how do we But also yeah, I say we reconcile that with the need for spirituality, So to have an atheistic spirituality.

2:41:35 Speaker 4: That's the we come in and what we provide. It's very interesting, it's very interesting to me.

2:41:44 Speaker 6: M hm.

2:41:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, So you said real dot Org and then m do you guys have like do you guys have like churches? No? No, not run like that. We oh maybe one day, you know.

2:42:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, we organize like week long seven arts that we call Happiness Academies, because again it's very focused on philosophy and being happy in the now and present and enjoying life, learning to be kind and cultivating compassion for other people and for yourself. So we organize these all around the world. The biggest ones are held in Japan because that's where Royale lives now. But I live in Japan, yes, But next year here we're organizing a North American continent one that will be held in I don't know if it's Montreal or Quebec City.

2:42:43 Speaker 5: I don't know if they are in those details, but it'll be held in Canada. So railings from all over the continent, maybe even from other continents will be coming. And yeah, I mean it's we listen to speeches of Royal doesn't travel anymore, he used to, but we listen to the speeches and we practice meditation, different workshops.

2:43:07 Speaker 4: And it's a good time.

2:43:10 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:43:10 Speaker 4: Well, I really appreciate you sitting down for total disclosure. You know, often I've talked to u f O researchers, you know, members of Congress, investigators, scientists, and I always like to throw a curveball and get like a more theological discussion in. So thank you so much for doing this. You know, I really again, Uh, would you ever would would you guys ever sit down and talk to like like a Catholic priest? Not maybe not Catholic, but would you ever talk to like someone who's part of the would you guys ever chat facilitator?

2:43:57 Speaker 4: That's what I was gonna say, happily facilitate that kind of like structural debate about Uh interesting, interesting, see how I do? Okay, Well, thank you guys everyone, and again always you know, you're always welcome back for any kind of chit chat. And I'd love to talk more about integrating more discussion. Uh you know of course, Uh like I said, for everyone, Uh, the members only segment is only members acid eyes on, So we're gonna jump over that now. So everyone, thanks you see on the other side, stay humble, stay kind.

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