"They'll Erase You" -Super Elites-Invention Of Secrecy Act, & UFOs With Steven Greer

0:00 Speaker 2: I want to know.

0:00 Speaker 1: Do you know what technologies and patterns are in there? I do that, okay, can you share some of them with the public?

0:06 Speaker 2: Can do better than that. This would literally end all pollution on Earth, but it would also in poverty on the planet within about twenty years. This is a big announcement. I hope this goes viral because that's what would mean. Their plan is to create a threat from outer space to try to unite the world like Independent State of movie, and it's sort of a military global finto of humans against al back in them the seventies, so they could hit a button basically and stage an alien attack.

0:35 Speaker 1: What do you think about Elon Musk And would is he like a nicol La Tesla?

0:39 Speaker 2: Is you a good guy in your rise ip it was inclined to research this end of it, He wouldn't be making a I call it a fake Tesla. I mean a real Tesla car wouldn't have to be plugged in that existed in nineteen twenties. Nikola Tesla had one. These folks the world is the voice the operator as they want.

0:56 Speaker 1: Who nominates them?

0:58 Speaker 2: Nobody? It's so sensitive. Not going to let the president control this anymore, or the Congress, the big corporate media, left right center. All of it is corruct You're convinced all of it is corrupt, absolutely correct, and the proof of it is.

1:19 Speaker 1: So. A couple months ago I watched his documentary called The Lost Century Blown Away by First I heard about Invention Secrecy Act of nineteen fifty one. I told my wife, baby, you got to watch it. Then I told my son, you gotta watch it. I told everybody you got to watch this documentary. Six thousand patents that were protected by this senator called John Sparkman. It went into effect the nineteen fifty two. Somehow, someway that year, they chose to nominate him on the Democratic Party as the vice president.

1:45 Speaker 1: November one, we test the biggest nuclear test at the time that was seven hundred times more powerful than the one we dropped in Hiroshima. November fifth was election, and then Stephen gury I said, hey, man, I know we did a podcast four years ago. We got a do another one because I got a whole different thing I want to talk to you about. He came on, we had a two and a half hour conversation together. He told me about the fact that the government has access to technology to teleport, you know teleportation we hear about in movies and sci fi and all this stuff.

2:13 Speaker 1: So now they've had access to it for a while. Told the time about and encountered that George HW. Bush Senior had with President Bill Clinton telling him what to stop talking about and not even look into a private conversation he had with Barry Goldwater, lots of weird things, colleagues that were killed for having information. And then today he releases this project he's been working on for many, many years. While you'll have access to all these information from the Inventioned Secrecy Act of nineteen fifty one.

2:43 Speaker 1: Anyways, I don't want to take anything away from this. You will be fascinated by this conversation, especially if you are a capitalist, if you have a family, and you want to find a way to preserve this great, you know world we're living in right earth, and you want it to be around it, and you want to find out who are the power players that are controlling all the good things that could potentially happen to you and I for the future. You're gonna want to watch this thing in its entirety, and you'll think me at the end of the podcast having said that, here's doctor Stephen Greer.

3:18 Speaker 2: Did you ever think.

3:19 Speaker 1: You would make you think you want to make film? I could say, sweetly, did I know this life may have for me? Why would you bet on?

3:29 Speaker 2: Juli? Well, we got vet day value, cament give it.

3:32 Speaker 1: Values could take this world of entrepreneurs. We can't on value that. Hey, it is out of run, homie. Look what I've become. So the last time we were together, you and I was May of twenty twenty, which is a little over four years ago, four years of a month, and it was a fascinating conversation. Millions of people watched it. It was great. We talked about aliens, We talked about your encounters with aliens, experiences, what you've done obviously a doctor, scientist, the things you've worked on. I even think your dad was he working on the certain responsibilities with the atomic for the government.

4:07 Speaker 2: What was your dad's My uncle helped design the lunar module, the lunar's uncle on the moon the first time Armstrong.

4:15 Speaker 1: So this is like, this is in your genes. You've been interested in this for a while and then recently I was late to this. Two months ago I watched the last century right, and how to reclaim it. A documentary they did that I think came out in twenty twenty three, if I'm not mistaken, it came out last year. I watched it and then I was blown away by the Invention Secrecy Act, and I went down a rabbit hole and I wanted to find out who wrote this bill and what happened to the guy that wrote the bill. The guy that wrote the bill, you know who he is, the John Sparksman, I think his name is or something like that.

4:50 Speaker 1: You know, he ends up becoming the vice the nominee for the Democratic vice presidential candidate of nineteen fifty two, exactly the year they wrote the bill, and they're holding go on to six thousand patents. And then I had my wife watch it. Then I had my son watch it. He's here right now. He just met you a few minutes ago, and I think the world needs to know about this. And that's when I said, I think we need to do a part two. And I'm glad you said.

5:13 Speaker 2: Yes, happy to be here. Yeah, So you do a great show.

5:16 Speaker 1: So let's start off with that. I mean, I got a lot of things I want to go through with you. But I want to start off with that. To the average person, when I asked them, have you heard of Invention Secrecy Act? When I tell you ninety nine percent say I've never heard of it. I'm being friendly because one hundred percent people are like, what is the Invention Secrecy Act.

5:35 Speaker 2: Of nineteen fifty one?

5:36 Speaker 1: Can you tell the audience what is the Invention Secrecy Act of nineteen fifty one? Who was behind it and why?

5:42 Speaker 2: Well, it actually became an offfeot of the projects from the forties dealing with energy and technology and propulsion systems that, if they were disclosed, would be the immediate replacement of oil gas coal surface transportation public UTAIL. Well, in today's dollars, you're talking probably over one thousand trillion dollars. So what most people don't realize is that around between nineteen forty five and nineteen fifty four was the heyday of electromagnetic engineering dealing with energy and propulsion.

6:19 Speaker 2: And it was from two sources, research that had been done in the late eighteen hundreds and early twentieth century, and even things that people call anti gravity not the correct scientific term, but let's just go with that. It's really gravity control. Those experiments started in the late twenties with T. Townshend Brown and the Klosky Frosts experiment in Germany and where very high voltage systems would cause objects to lift and basically have mass cancelation and look like they're defining gravity and levitate.

6:51 Speaker 1: This is the g engines you're talking ye about, yep, But.

6:54 Speaker 2: That was earlier. I mean that was later. This is twenties, but those began to be more and more classified. Tea Towns and Browns work became some of the core founding for what's called the Rand Corporation in Ventura, California. But those got populated with the research from retrieving extraterrestrial vehicles in the mid forties and fifties, where they began to study them under a very highly classified project. I have the documents. We've just released all of them to the public last month and our disclosure project Intelligence are but it describes in one of the Canadian top secret documents that a top secret team was working on this in nineteen fifty and the work they were doing surpassed the secrecy of the development of the hydrogen bomb, the ultimate doomsday weapon.

7:42 Speaker 2: You can imagine now, this is an authenticated top secret document. So the punchline on that is there was this technological breakthroughs both human and then studying objects from outer space. Let's say that came together the two mighty rivers that became this torrent, but very classified. So they realized that there are too many people stumbling across this, and they created this act to give the government the power that even if you don't apply for a patent, if they learn you have something that they want to seize, all they have to do is issue a national security order on it.

8:22 Speaker 2: They take it. And this is not a conspiracy theory and all that is just a fact. You can look up the you know, people can look this up. And I am working I've worked over the years of many many people who've had that happen to them, geniuses that have had their work confiscated. And it would be an enormous benefit to humanity. But the super elite, global elite don't want that out. They don't want They didn't want it out in the fifties, they don't want it out now. So that is the core of the secrecy besonding what people call UFOs or UAPs.

8:53 Speaker 2: I mean, that's really the heart of it. The other thing is that when I go into a skiff, a secure compartment information facility where top secret information is exchanged, one of the first things I do, whether it's with the members of Congress or some military people, is to you know, tell them, you know, see this video that the Pentagon is confirmed is real of this UFO flye off the goast California. And they got released few years ago, and I said, just look at that and forget all the esoteric and alien cachet and baggage.

9:27 Speaker 2: That is an alternative energy and propulsion device period. And I said, if you look at how it's moving and the sensors that they put on that thing, both from space and the ship, the big battleship out there, and the jet pilots flying those F eighteens, they'd had no heating signature, you know. And here's the thing. There's no jets, there's no rockets, and if it was a nuclear power plant, it would be very hot because you know, fission is dremely hot. So how is it doing how is it moving like that?

10:04 Speaker 2: Well, it's using this whole new physics. And this is why most of our Air Force and other pilots when they encounter these they immediately assume all of them are alien or extraterrestrial, when in reality, I'd say seventy eighty percent of them are hours highly classified, illegally run covert programs without the oversight of the Congress and the president, so that secrecy has become so embedded. Eisenhower had a pretty good clue about it when he left office, and he said, but where the military industrial complex?

10:37 Speaker 2: And I remember in mind people he's a five star general, right, and a conservative Republican modern republican back then, but he was no enemy of the military. But he warned the dangers to democracy and secrecy because of this. Now he didn't mention the UFO issue, but he was very much read in. And I can prove that our archive goes through that. And he then by nineteen fifty seven to eight was being pushed aside out of the programs. And we actually have an attorney who at the time was a young man the army.

11:10 Speaker 2: His testimony we released in this archive where he says he was at the White House Signal Corps in nineteen, you know, fifteen nine sixty before Eisenhower left, and Eisenhower told him that he was being blocked control over these projects. So these covert programs have been let's just say, off the leash for most of you know, the last sixty So I want to ask you this.

11:36 Speaker 1: So I'm going through timeline while you were talking, and I'm thinking, you know, it's your you know, So Heroshima happened August sixth, nineteen forty five, right, okay. Nagasaki happened August ninth, nineteen forty five.

11:49 Speaker 2: Okay.

11:49 Speaker 1: Invention Secrecy Act happened in nineteen fifty one, which ended up being a law nineteen fifty two led by Senator John Sparksman. Great, and that year he ends up being nominated as the vice president for the Democratic you know nominee.

12:05 Speaker 2: Okay.

12:06 Speaker 1: Then the election that year that the day we voted on Tuesday was November fourth of nineteen fifty two. Three days prior to that, on November one of nineteen fifty two, is the big explosion that we had, the thermal nuclear explosion that took place, rob If you can pull this up,

12:26 Speaker 1: type in hydrogen bomb year. Just type in hydrogen bomb year.

12:30 Speaker 2: Okay.

12:31 Speaker 1: So if you type in hydrogen can you zoom in that? I just want to read that right there. The US tested the first full scale thermal nucular device on November first of nineteen fifty two. The result was an explosion that was equivalent to one of them, one produced by more than ten million tons of TNT. This was approximately seven hundred times the power of the uranium bomb dropped in Hiroshima. Stephen seven hundred. So, so here's what I'm trying to find out. The time span from AUGUSTI, Hiroshima, August nine, Nagasaki, you know, Investion Secrecy Act of nineteen fifty one fifty two becomes in.

13:09 Speaker 1: Then November first, we have the hydrogen bomb. November fourth is the election? Is the reason why they put the Invention Secrecy Act? A noble cause? Or was it the fact that people of big industries were afraid that maybe they're about to lose some of their control and business that they have, because there's a part of it that could be like, No, it was noble. We were worried. We wanted to make sure that certain things wouldn't be available to other people, because if they did, what if out there in the free market place, somebody explodes and messages with US uranium and then all of a sudden, we you know, we lose our country, We lose all this stuff.

13:43 Speaker 1: How much do you think was noble? How much of you thinking was, hey, you passed this bill, we'll make you the vice president, we can do this. What do you think happened there?

13:51 Speaker 2: I think it's both. I think for certain, there are certain valid national security secrets that are technological that that should be kept that way, And you know, I don't have agrievance with that. What's terrible is when there are corrupting influences from financial and corporate sectors, that then it's the tail wagon the dog of the government of we the people. Right. And you know, so my great great whatever grandfather was the first prisoner in the American Revolution, and you know, my family, my dad was hand to hand combat World War two in the Pacific.

14:31 Speaker 2: You know, we look at this, many of the people I work with who are special forces in military, and they look at this and they go, well, you know, if you have a corrupting influence and you have that kind of state power, then you can get into trouble if there isn't proper oversight, and there hasn't been. What I'm trying to say is that between the fifties and now after Eisenhower got shoved aside. The folks who have been working and keeping these secrets are not necessarily doing it on behalf of the US government or the American people or the world.

15:07 Speaker 2: They're doing it on behalf of their own interests, which are usually financial and global power related. And that is the problem. It's a big problem when no one's mining the store. This is why I've been trying to get Congress to have a subpoena power through the House Oversight Committee and the members of Congress I've been meeting with, which we'll get into that that's just been blocked by the way, because without that, you know, you really have a Frankenstein we created in secrecy that Eisenhower warned us about.

15:39 Speaker 2: That that's really gone crazy. So, yes, there are some valid national security secrets that we be covered by that. But on the other hand, it's like your grandmother's skirt. It hides everything right, and they can hoover up totally legitimate technologies that for example, you could have an electric car but not have nine hundred pounds of lithium ion batteries. You'd have a battery about this big, and it would start up a electromagnetic generator pulling energy out. We can talk about this what's called the quantum vacuum or zero point energy field, and you never have to plug the thing in, right.

16:16 Speaker 1: So that that was in there at that time.

16:19 Speaker 2: That existed in nineteen twenties, Nikola Tesla had one, and we've documented this. Now. Remember when Nikola Tesla died in nineteen forty three, the FBI went in and sees the I think it was forty some trunks or twenty some trunks of secret papers, and I have a group that's thinking of assuing for those.

16:41 Speaker 1: But those still has that the US government has that or the militant industrial complexes though we don't.

16:45 Speaker 2: This is a good question because where does this stuff go once it gets hoovered up under this secrecy Act? And this is a big problem because you would think, let's make this real for people. Right, So back going thirty well, nineteen ninety three is thirty one years. I was asked as a young doctor to come up and brief the director of the CIA for Bill Clinton or James Woolsey, and it's because he and the President had started looking into this issue, the whole UFO issue, all of it, and they had been denied access and blocked, and we're being lied to.

17:21 Speaker 2: You're in the room with both of them. I'm in the room with the CI director and my POC, my point of contact to him, who is the head of a military think tank. So I thought, honestly, I mean, he put me under the sodium Pentahal. I thought it was a ruse to pick my brain because I had these araspace connections in my family. I had all this information and it was just counterintelligence trying to figure out what I knew. No, it turned out the CI director was completely blocked, the president had been blocked.

17:53 Speaker 2: And then I found out recently Clinton was threatened, and I have a document that also establish just that from someone who was with him, where he admitted that he was personally threatened if he looked into this much further. And so I think this, you know, was my coming of age, to be honest with you, I was always interested in the UFO and ET issue. I had sightings when I was younger, had a family member who designed a thing that landed on the moon with an alarmstrong and yes, we did go. They just didn't tell us everything that happened.

18:27 Speaker 2: But the CI director was shaken and he couldn't get access even with the clearance that a director of CI would have. So there's a parallel, illegal, black government system that I think is mostly corporate. So if you're asked me where the center of power on this is, you know, everyone in Congress and the National Security Council and the President wouldn't add up to anything hill of beans compared to what Lackheed' skunk Works and my uncle's north of Grumm and he had his whole career with Raytheon and some of these other huge behemoths that are contractors but who have highly compartment operations dealing with this.

19:11 Speaker 2: Now we actually have the information and a letter from the director, the head of the Lockheed skunk Works, the top secret aerospace engineering, and it's in the archive. We release this now, both the letter written to him from a friend that his widow gave to us and the reply from Ben Rich and it says point blank, his friend said, do we have these UFOs? And he says yes, some are extraterrestrial, many are hours, and he admits they're hours, meaning human made. So people think that technology stands still.

19:47 Speaker 2: But if you're at the threshold in the twenties thirties, forties discovering this area of science of electromagnetic physics post quantum sort of entanglement can get into this as we're boring for the general public. But and then you know, you have special access projects that are top secret. But then decide it's so sensitive, we're not going to let the president control this anymore or the Congress except for a few devils that they put in there that that do control it. So it's a complicated architecture of this secrecy.

20:22 Speaker 2: You have to throw your civics high school civics book in the trash.

20:26 Speaker 1: So let me let me go back to the Still I'm stuck on this Inventioned Secrecy Act from purely in the capitalistic standpoint, not even the alien side, on all this other stuff that's in there, right, So let's go back to it. So enough energy to you know, zero point energy, which we'll get into. Okay, great, on this Nicola Tesla and what happened to him? And they came and they took the files god knows how many boxes, and they went to Trump's uncle Fred, Trump's brother John. They go to him, Hey, is this anything that's a threat if it's leaked to the public.

20:57 Speaker 1: No, nothing, to worry about. Great, they still end up keeping it anyway, is right. But I'm trying to find out. So if you were to simplify to the audience, the audience wants to know, Hey, Stephen, what are some of those six six thousand patterns that we have and what industries would they destroy? And how how much would our lives improve? For example, you know, one we have access to being able to produce cars that can run on water, and it puts out of a five trillion It puts a five trillion dollar oil industry out of business overnight.

21:29 Speaker 1: You know, we have the you know, pharmaceutical side to be able to come up and you know, solve cancer tonight. You know, we just have because if we do, the amount of chemotherapy business is a such and such amount of billion dollar industry. We don't want to put that out of this we have the ability to do. I want to know, do you know what technologies and patterns are in there? I do that, Okay, Can you share some of them with the public that you know maybe would be reveally.

21:57 Speaker 2: I can do better than that. You go to our archive and there's a whole file of I believe thousands of pages of those that were copied by a man I knew who has passed away named John Benini. And there was a CIA officer who had approached me, but previously had approached him and took him and it's called the Saidjack Files. S G E K I said Jaki. And he was a CI officer who allowed mister Bedini to go into a Badini or Benini Badini b E d I N I John Benini. And he's passed away but a couple of years ago.

22:38 Speaker 2: But this CIA officer, said Jaki, he let him go into a facility where they had confiscated these sort of inventions over many decades, and they had the patents in file cabinets. And he told John Bedini, he said, you know, he was trying to recruit him into the agency in a covert program dealing with technology. So the guy was a genius with electromagnetic engineering, Benini was, and and he let him, for twenty four hours copy anything he wanted. And so he went in he did, but as a CI officer said Jakie, eventually was told no, I'm not going to join your operation.

23:20 Speaker 2: But Bedini had kept a copy of those files, which members of my team digitized.

23:25 Speaker 1: So the CEE. I first, I didn't know he did he took those files.

23:27 Speaker 2: He didn't know he kept a copy. He thought he got them all back, And now we've released them. They were in an encrypted uh CD, I believe, and the encryption has been removed and people can go in there now. Now that was the tip of the iceberg, because I mean, this was a huge facility. It's like the end of the movie where the you know is Steven Spielberg the Raiders of the laws Ark when they're rolling the thing is they go into this big warehouse top or was this facility? It was in the Upper Midwest, is what I've been asked, just to say, in an old school house facility that was cordoned off and look like nothing important, so.

24:07 Speaker 1: You know where it's at, but just you're not able to say, yep, okay, I do know where it got it. And would it be a place that the average person walks by every day and they have no clue what it is?

24:15 Speaker 2: They'd have no idea.

24:16 Speaker 1: And is there protection, like hardcore secret, you know, protection around it that you can't see, or are there are people outside of the building that you could tell that something's weird about this building, there are sensors. Are sensors?

24:25 Speaker 2: Got it?

24:26 Speaker 1: And what are some of the things you guys found, you know, thousands of pages. What are somethings your team and your you and your team found where it's why would they hide something like this from Why would they keep this away from us?

24:37 Speaker 2: Well, they had they had electromagnetic devices that were so called free energy. They had the technologies that would take water as you mentioned, and do the hydrolysis past the Faraday constant where it would be at certain voltages and frequency you get a magnetically charged hydrogen and oxygen gas you can burn get energy. The only pollution is water vapor. You know, all of those sort of technologies. But then there are other things that were even stranger, where you can cause basically atomic changes in the electron shell so as you can move up and down the periodic table at certain frequencies, magnetic field frequencies, so that you could theoretically take ten and turn it into gold transmutation.

25:28 Speaker 2: It's like the alchemist, but it's high tech, and these are very old discoveries. And so one of the big problems is when you ask this question, why wouldn't we have it? The economic power is really about, you know, the money about dollars. But when you start talking about trillions and dozens or hundreds of trillions of dollars, now you're talking about something that is an impact that's way beyond you know, inventing a cell phone or even the Internet. This is way past that because our entire planet is running on an antiquated grid and energy paradigm from the late eighteen hundreds.

26:11 Speaker 2: And if you take a nuclear power plants the mid forties, And what I remind people is, do you really think fundamental energy generation and propulsion technologies haven't gone forward since nineteen forty five? This is ridiculous. But those technologies which prompted these national security patent acts and seizure laws both had applications. It could be sold to Congress because there were legitimate state secrets if you didn't want to just let someone leak out your design for a nuclear warhead, for example.

26:49 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, there are things that would technologies that would greatly benefit humanity. And let me remind people, this would literally end all pollution on Earth, but would also end poverty on the planet within about twenty years. Why right now, you have three billion people on the planet. The economists came out with an article I think two years ago about this that don't even have energy to cook their food, so they're like cutting down any brush in the desert and the rainforest just to be able to have some charcoal to cook food.

27:21 Speaker 2: There's three thousand million people. This isn't sustainable. This is not a way to have a planet. Right, So these technologies would change that, and many, many people in these COVID programs agree this should change. But you're stepping on some very big toes. I mean, you're talking the kind of macroeconomic power globally that is way past anything that the president deals with. Okay, And that's the problem because on the one hand, it's some people have told me who are in this system, it's like the cure is worsen the disease, that to release this it'd be too disruptive.

27:59 Speaker 2: I say, yes, it should have been released one hundred years ago. It would have been transition would have been easy. But now look at the mess we're in because of this secrecy but also the illegal application of it in the last sixty years. Now, that is what Congress right now is trying to grapple with but it's a big mistake for the public to think because you're the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee or the co chairman, you're a nobody like mister Rubio. Those folks are told either nothing or some version of a lie that they want to be told.

28:33 Speaker 2: This is what happened to mister Trump, by the way, in his first term, and also mister Pence because of a friend of mister Pinson's family works with me and we found out what happened. But the problem with all of this is what has happened to democracy and oversight and we the people. But also if you know, when you talk about we have a free market economy and capitalism, do we I mean if the most important discoveries and sciences of the last hundred years have been ruthlessly confiscated and kept secret.

29:08 Speaker 2: No, we have a faint shadow. We have a managed economy. You know, it's not quite as managed to say China's or the Soviet unions or Venezuela and control, but it's still controlled and managed. It's a mistake to think it's free free market. It isn't. The only way it could be free is that if the technologies that were not weaponized. And this is when you mentioned that, you know, mister Trump's uncle said, no, these are fine, they're not going to hurt anything. Well, they wouldn't hurt It's not like they're dangerous.

29:41 Speaker 2: It's just that it's going to hurt you if you own, you know, a three dollars trillion dollar oil field off of Venezuela or whatever, and these big interests. So I think this is you know, and I'm not saying that everybody in the oil industry knows about this. They're not. They're just doing their But I'll tell you there's a fortune fifty, Fortune five five hundred, Fortune fifty companies chairperson trying to come forward.

30:12 Speaker 1: And Fortune fifty chairperson that's trying to come forward.

30:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, chairman, former chairman. He's getting up there. He's about seventy nine or eighty.

30:21 Speaker 1: He's still active or former chairman.

30:23 Speaker 2: But he has the documents and the information he wants to come forward with him. But you know, when he reached out to me last year, they threatened him and his family and his grandchildren. Is he a money guy? Does he?

30:35 Speaker 1: Is he financially free?

30:36 Speaker 2: Oh?

30:37 Speaker 1: Sure? I mean, so how do they threaten them? What do they say how do you threaten a person like that? What are we going to do with you?

30:43 Speaker 2: Kill your whole family?

30:45 Speaker 1: No?

30:46 Speaker 2: Who?

30:47 Speaker 1: So who calls a person like that.

30:49 Speaker 2: Really spooky people? I've had him up here in my life and threatened me. I said, buzz off. But you know we've had I've had four people on my.

30:59 Speaker 1: Team killed, four people in your team killed.

31:02 Speaker 2: I have. And you know, when mister Grush was asked about this at the House oversight here in last year, he said yes. And because when mister Grush was working with people that I had been briefing to give information so he could begin to drill down on this. But he was not a direct whistleblower witness. He was actually he's called a whistleblower, but he's not. He didn't directly deal with the technology or the programs. He was investigating them on behalf of the folks that I was given information to just tell them where to go, like I told them exactly where to go in the high daysert of California to find this stuff or you know, wherever.

31:43 Speaker 2: So but you know, someone asked one of the members of the committee, I think it was Congressman Burchett, who had been working with asked, well, have people been killed? And of course a few months earlier, I think it was January of last year. There was a peripheral person on that team who was killed because he stuck his nose in their own place. The people are very naive, frankly, if they don't think this kind of corrupt power, you think of the worst thing you've ever heard about, the mafia or the mob on steroids, hyper charge on steroids.

32:19 Speaker 2: But let's say, let's stay on that. That's what you're dealing with. Sure, thugs.

32:23 Speaker 1: Four people that were killed? Are your team? Their public like? How were they killed and how recent was it?

32:29 Speaker 2: Oh, this guy's back in the nineties.

32:32 Speaker 1: What were you talking about? And that you know, what were they talking about or digging? That cost them their lives?

32:38 Speaker 2: They were decover sources giving me information, so they were they had job before I had good security in place and I didn't have what I have in place now, which I call.

32:47 Speaker 1: Can you say what they did for a living or no?

32:50 Speaker 2: Uh? Oh, well they were various. Well, one was a military naval intelligence guy, one with CIA H and one was an assistant of mine.

32:59 Speaker 1: It was at of yours. I'm a good friend. How did he get killed. She how did she get killed?

33:04 Speaker 2: It was basically a chemical weapon that was induced a very aggressive cancer very quickly. And you know, I have an FBI lady on my team who is a special agent and she alway. I have one hundred and fifty substances.

33:19 Speaker 1: Like that, one hundred and fifty substances to inject cancer into somebody.

33:22 Speaker 2: Or brush up against someone or do something that will kill them.

33:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, brush up against somebody like there was a movie I watch about the brushing up to somebody. That absolutely so that's not just a movie. In real life, we can do that as Okay, So let let's go back to this.

33:34 Speaker 2: So this this is but let's go back to the point I'm making, and that is people are afraid and they should be. Now this is why I mean, going back to ninety four, asked the president at the time Clinton to do an executive order protecting high value whistleblowers and witnesses who whether corporate or government, military, CIA, and no one would do it. I have a big announcement. I'm saying this on your show now because it starts June twentieth. There is a special access project that has been stood up that is going to provide this kind of security and protection to whistleblowers and high value witnesses that are been sitting on the fence coming forward.

34:24 Speaker 2: This is a big announcement. I hope this goes viral because that's what we need now. I asked the Congress to put that in a bill, but they're not quite at the point where they realize lethal force has been used. There is still a little bit naive. And so since lethal force has been authorized. In fact, not long ago, there was a meeting and a skiff talking about engaging the wetworks. Wetworks is a term for assassinations Houston be an old Soviet term and wet from blood. But those sort of operations is not some kind of movie.

34:58 Speaker 2: You know, it's real. I've dealt with it, and you know this, This chairman of this huge former chairman of this big fortune fifty corporation, he desperately he regrets what he did, you know, and he has stated to us that the whole world decades ago, could have had quote unquote free energy with these technologies, and look at the state it's in. So let me. He really wants to come forward, but he's scared. So I'm saying, look, I'm going to try to set this up. I see what you're saying. So this is a big announcement that there's I can't say what agency it's under, but it is an authorized special access project that can monitor security and provide security and to whistleblowers.

35:40 Speaker 2: Two whistleblowers, yes, and witnesses. People who have been in these projects seen things that want to come forward, or they may have documents like this General.

35:50 Speaker 1: Is this an agency that has a lot of credibility today?

35:53 Speaker 2: I don't think any government agency in the United States has a lot of credibility today.

35:57 Speaker 1: Is this a three letter agency that we're familiar with?

36:01 Speaker 2: It would certainly be known by any educated American, But I can't comment beyond that. But I will say that the people in it are all folks who had been in special forces, and they are not in the military now because you can't do that. Of course, you know, a military cant act domestically. And they're wonderful people. And so I've been working with these folks for a while, providing them an unredacted version of the archive we just released, meaning unredacted. It has all the names, It has seven hundred and sixty some whistleblowers in it now.

36:41 Speaker 2: You know, if you go to the archive, you'll see I think we have one hundred and twenty some whistleblowers and witnesses, name, rank, serial number, and their video testimony, not one or two, not five. So what's in this archive? If the Congress held hearings starting next week from Monday through Friday nine to five.

36:59 Speaker 1: These are the May thirteen, twenty twenty four.

37:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, look at this. Yeah, it seven hundred and some, but the first one hundred and some are people we've already interviewed. We have their DD two fourteen's discharge forms, we have video, most of them on video testimony.

37:14 Speaker 1: Are these all public?

37:16 Speaker 2: It's all public. Anyone who with a computer on planet Earth can see these. Can they see the videos? Or that's being released? Both? Is it already released? Yes, sir? Okay?

37:25 Speaker 1: And what's the website that they can go to?

37:27 Speaker 2: Uh? This, well, we want to put that up. This is a DP like Disclosure Project Intelligence are is DP I are a DPPIA. Yeah? Archive, Yeah, we'll put that below. Wear it right. Yeah, we just released this last week, and of course we had about thousands of bots that invaded the site try to shut it down, so we are asking people to register. It's free. We have a crowdfunding program because it's probably going to cost us I don't know, tens of thousands of dollars in mone and usage fees. But the reason I did this, and I've never done this, if you want to hear an interesting backstory of how accidents happen weird, you know, like why would I do something like this?

38:14 Speaker 2: And this is all stuff out of my own archive thirty four years of accumulated information. And it also is the Black Site list one hundred and fifty some black sites where they are, and also links to testimony from witnesses about what's there underground and deep underground military bases or skiffs, secure compartment information facilities. So some of them people have heard of, like Nellis Air Force Base and Edwards some people know. Most people have.

38:44 Speaker 1: Never heard of black sites, seaie controls, black sites used by the US government and it's War on Terror to detain people deemed to be enemy combatants.

38:55 Speaker 2: Well, not that that's what we have various sites, but I'm talking about where retrieved UFOs have been put, where reverse engineered objects are located, where the man made ones are when we knock one down with an electromagnetic or weapon, a directional energy weapon. Where are those taken? Where have they been studied? All that's in the archive, So it's a massive data.

39:20 Speaker 1: Let me go through a couple of things here. So one this chairman of a fortune former chairman of a fortune fifty company.

39:28 Speaker 2: Great guy.

39:28 Speaker 1: If any of these, if these six thousand patents were to be released, and right now, if I'm not mistaken, the punishment is they give you seventy five percent of what they think the patent is worth.

39:39 Speaker 2: I believe that's what they say.

39:41 Speaker 1: And then if you sell it off to somebody else and they find out, you're going to jail for the rest of your life. If you even talk about it, you're going to jail for the rest of your life. And if you go on Invention Secrecy Act of nineteen fifty one, the way they categorize on what goes in there. Right there, if you can read it, folks, the Invention Secrecy Act that allows the US government to classify ideas and patents under secrecy orders, which definitely restrict public knowledge of them. And at the top, if you read it, the United States federal law designed to prevent disclosure of noon investigations, the opinion and technologies that in the opinion of selected federal agencies.

40:17 Speaker 1: So it's purely opinion based of selected federal agencies, present an alleged threat. It's alleged threat to the economic stability in national security United States. Okay, so energy oil. Let's just go through ex On Mobile right now. Market cap June twenty twenty four. It's four hundred andninety seven billion dollars half a trillion out of company chevron Is two eighty four, Petro China two forty four. But that's China, India UK. Set them aside. You got a few other companies. You got BP one hundred billion out of companies.

40:44 Speaker 1: These are not small companies. We're talking about Shell to eighteen. Right, I can go through a bunch of these that we know about. If these things were released, how long before these industries were one wiped out?

41:00 Speaker 2: Or? Would it be nasty?

41:02 Speaker 1: Would it be ugly? Would it be a danger to society? Would people be doing would protesting riots?

41:12 Speaker 2: Ugliness?

41:12 Speaker 1: Power players coming and saying you're touching my wealth?

41:15 Speaker 2: What are you doing?

41:16 Speaker 1: What would happen if this actually was to be released?

41:20 Speaker 2: Well, see, this is the tragedy of corrupt interests keeping good science away from the public for over one hundred years. Yes, it's going to be very difficult. It's like an addiction the current energy paradigm. The whole planet is now addicted to substances that are not only cancer causing and bad for the environment, but costly. And that leaves, as I mentioned, three billion people with no means even to cook their food. So that paradigm should have been retired, but we can't help that. We have to take the fact this is twenty twenty four, and so what I have always said is that it has to be released and then transition.

41:58 Speaker 2: But keep in mind, let's take one example, since you're getting into the macroeconomics of this. We make on the planet about one hundred million motor vehicles a year, but there are one and a half billion motor vehicles on the road, cars and trucks. So even if you retooled and twinkled your nose like bewitched or something, and retrofitted all vehicle manufacturing to these systems, it would take about fifteen years, and to tool up it'll be five. So you're talking twenty years now. I'll probably be dead because I turned sixty nine this week the next week, and you know your children will be in college.

42:40 Speaker 2: And so even if we did it immediately, because there's a lag time, because we're not talking about, you know, downloading an app. We're talking about heavy industry here, we're talking about public utilities. We're talking about manufacturing a box that would be at your house that would generate all the energy you need for your home, no bill, no power bill, and no pollution. But to retrofit three billion households on the planet two and a half billion, this is a massive I mean, this makes the Marshall Plan after World War Two look like nothing.

43:13 Speaker 2: So yes, this is what I've been saying the policy makers. This needs to happen. It will happen. But the longer this is like a leak in your roof, right, the longer you put that off, the harder and the mess is going to be to clean up, and the more damage. So this is the tragedy of it is that this was allowed to go on. And one of the things I've observed people in periods of enormous power and responsibility when they realize when I go into a facility, I say, see that thing that's an alternative energy and propulsion device, what people call a UFO.

43:50 Speaker 2: Well, once they realize what these implications are, then they get scared. They get to the edge of the table or the edge of the cliff and back off. So here we are now. I've spent thirty four years trying to resolve this problem, literally fifty percent of my biological life. And it's a very heavy lift and a very dangerous lift. But you know, what are we going to leave to our children, your children, my grab twelve grandchildren. What are we leaving you know, on this planet to them? And I think beyond that, there's even a bigger issue not being addressed.

44:29 Speaker 2: Some of these UFOs or UAPs are from extraterrestrial origin. None of them are hostile, but we have been targeting them with electromagnetic directional energy weapons since the forties, and those technologies have become more and more sophisticated. And you know, they have not struck back. If they did, the whole planet would come to a standstill. Because I think they're fundamentally peaceful and very highly developed socially and spiritually. However, how do we know that, Well, because there have been a lot of people who have had contact and there's no evidence otherwise.

45:05 Speaker 2: Now, there are some scary stories what we call the stagecraft of you, so called abductions and mutilations and things like that, but those are all done by covert human programs. Those are lookalikes. We can get into that. I mean, that's a whole Actually, there's a whole section of the archive on that, and we actually document this. I have top secret guys who come forward on the record stating point blank that they had been part of operations abducting people. And in fact, the very famous astrophysicist doctor Jacques Ballet, who some of his work ended up in Steven Spielberg's movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and he's up in his eighties now, and in nineteen ninety two he wrote, he wrote a book, and he had a log entry where he had received a nineteen eighty five CIA document that outlined for psychological warfare purposes them using these advanced technologies that look like an alien craft and other technologies to quote abduct peasants in Argentina and Brazil for their psychological warfare value.

46:15 Speaker 2: Now that's in black and white, and so people go, this sounds crazier than the myth you've been told, and it is, but why would they do that. Vernavon Brown, in his deathbed in nineteen seventy four, told a member of my team, Carol Rosen, that their plan is to create, eventually and hoax a threat from outer space to try to unite the world like independence stay of the movie, and it's sort of a military global junta of humans against aliens. It's all nonsense. It's bs, but it sells well, sells movies, it sells tickets, it sells books.

46:50 Speaker 2: This is the Bluebeam project. Blue Beam, Yeah, that related to that, and I've met with many men who've been on operationally, like literally have been operational on those programs. Now, it went from really clunky stuff like the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. People think that was alien It wasn't US late fifties, early sixties, and I think President Obama's actually working on a documentary about that. And it was an interracial couple and very interesting story. But most people have no idea what really happened with that.

47:25 Speaker 2: And this is one of the really disturbing parts of this archive is what are the technologies that are in the hands of these sort of monsters and how have they used it to deceive the public but also deceive policymakers and presidents. You know, I talked to a man named Colonel Holman, Joe L. M An. He's passed away, and this was maybe five years ago, and he was on a committee trying to sell first Carter, who wouldn't bite, and then President Reagan on SDI Star Wars Strategic Defense Initiative, and they weren't biting.

48:03 Speaker 2: And then he said, what we did. We eventually played the alien threat card and that's when Reagan signed on to it. Now, he was prepared to do so because I'm working with an older CI officer with a PhD. That some of his information is in the archive, but his name's protected because we still work together. And he actually was a postdoc, had a PhD and briefed candidate Ronald Reagan in nineteen seventy nine when he was thinking of running for president on the UFO issue. Because Reagan had had a couple of sightings, including one on the governor's plane that you may have heard about.

48:44 Speaker 2: It is well documented, and so you know, President Reagan not here's one of the problems of the president. You get into a position and say you're a governor, you're a real estate developer like mister Trump, whatever you are, or you know, mister Carter was said he was a peanut farmer exactly, a nuclear engineer and the top of his class, and an apple is very smart, probably our highest ich president politically not very good, but he was very very smart. But and you're going to come in there and the people who are going to come in and brief you on this.

49:19 Speaker 2: If you ask, you're either gonna be told nothing. And I know this, so I've dealt with it pretty much every bit of presidential involvement since nineteen since Clinton. You're either gonna be told nothing or you're gonna be told a version of the truth that manipulates you into decisions they want to make, they want you to make. And that's what happened to mister Trump and mister Pens and also to Ronald Reagan. So it's dangerous that kind of secrecy. Let me tell you why it's so dangerous. It's the Foxes, and there's manning the Henhouse.

49:55 Speaker 2: You know who's overseeing this, right, who's looking into the and who is in charge? Well, it certainly isn't the president. They come and go every four to eight years. Members of Congress come and go all the time. So there's sort of this permanent committee a few hundred people. And they've arrogated this because it's so secret, the right to do this. But they cannot be trusted. Who do they report to themselves? I mean, this is a global operation. And by the way, what i'm global operations? So from this one hundred percent, no it take the map of the world and erase all the geopolitical lines.

50:32 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. And that's actually when the Senate Intelligence people wanted me to come in. There was a map of the world in the conference room in the skiff, and I said, see that map, erased all the lines on it. This is these folks. The world is a royster. They operate as they want. Who nominates them, nobody. They move up through the chain of command or through corporations. How do you move up? You're moved up by giving a little information. See what you do with it and if you can keep the secrecy.

51:02 Speaker 2: But more importantly, once you reach a certain level of clearance, when you realize how monstrous and criminal the operations are, will you stay with that. I'm dealing with a team right now that I can't see. I won't even say what state they're in, but let's just say. In September I was on a classified helicopter over two black sites and was shown where the underground openings are out in the desert, where the man made ones come up and are tested. But there are also electromagnetic pulse weapons that are illegal by the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty that are and I have video and photos of this.

51:45 Speaker 2: One of the photos is in the archive. I'll just tell you that. And there looks like there's a landing strip. It's not. It's an area with diamonds on it, and that's where the man made some people call them Arab alien reproduction vehicles come up from underground, and I have the photos and video underground opening. We went right around it because this guy was cleared. He's one of the top people in the system, but he's wanting to defect, and.

52:12 Speaker 1: It's one of these one hundred people in one of these couple hundred people.

52:16 Speaker 2: He's very high up. I wouldn't say he's on that policy level, but operationally he's read in. He's been read in for many, many, many years, and he's very high up.

52:25 Speaker 1: What's his reason. And so what did you went there and you actually saw it?

52:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, videotape. I have all of it, and it's public, some of it off the air. I'll show you the video, okay. And so that in September, and then of course I was almost killed in October.

52:40 Speaker 1: I think I mentioned how'd you get almost killed? In October?

52:43 Speaker 2: Oh? Someone tampered with my mountain bike seat and it snapped off and I was going fast and my left foot came off and two bones were in the air, and my left shoulder came off, and my admirin and got I had four surgeries in three months. Got to be kidding me. I'm up doing everything now. But it was hell on Earth.

52:57 Speaker 1: But you know it's not the first And how do you know what was tampered? Would how do you know somebody?

53:02 Speaker 2: Well, I mean it wasn't the bike that it was like the whole thing that was kind of a salted and snapped off. We can't prove anything. I'm in who cares? I mean, you know I as an emergency doctor. You know I'm a trauma doctor. Anyway, Ironically, I'm laying there going It's like an out of body experience, seeing me there with my foot off and the bones in the air. But I go, you know, the only thing I said, I'm f't you know it was That's the only thing I said. But you know it was a full time How much do you because you're in this world, who do you trust?

53:36 Speaker 1: Like? What? What? How do you process? Who you can trust and who you can't trust? Oh, it's like the things it is in the Bible. You shalln't know them by their deeds.

53:46 Speaker 2: So well, my wife, my close circle of friends I've had for fifty sixty years, my assistant who's been with me for a quarter of a century, and other people, and you know, now they're this whole team of you know, special Forces folks and people who are defecting that I were very close and who are enormously courageous men who want to do the right thing for the world and for the country. You know, Green Berets and Navy seals some of them, but these are some of them are still very active. Some have separated from the military and are working in private.

54:26 Speaker 2: But they're all gathering to do this disclosure of the subject. And then what I just mentioned, the gentleman who had me on the chop or over these black sites in September. There's a whole team that he is involved with at these sensitive facilities that are so the word used when he first reached out to me was fed up. They are fed up with what's happening to the planet. They're fed up with the illegal secrecy, and they're fed up with some of the atrocities that are happening that they've been part of.

54:55 Speaker 2: And you know, it's very emotional for these men.

55:02 Speaker 1: This chairman of the former you know, former chairman of the Fortune fifty company. If he comes out, what would he be leaking as a whistleblower to the to the country, to the world.

55:15 Speaker 2: Well, he'd be leaking that one of the largest corporations in the world and certainly in America had worked on these programs and he has with them in his possession the schematics and plans for these technologies and devices. And he wants to hand him over before he passes away, but he doesn't want to see any collateral damage with his family. So that's why I mentioned, you know, I've been trying to get this sort of protection, and even with that, I'm not sure who wants. You know, people get very cold feet.

55:46 Speaker 2: I mean, I'll tell you a weird story that happened in the past year. There was a man who had worked out of the Northern Nevada Test Range. His testimony and information and the drawings of this event are in the archive, and we took his name out because he doesn't want to be known publicly yet. But he reached out to me about this and he was on a retrieval team. So it was at a If you go from Nellis Air Force Base way north where the atomic the nuclear test range was where we did open air testing, there's a huge area and there's an underground base there and facility, and there's a team and a helicopter pad team with Delta Force guys and then this guy had been part of the retrieval operation and hasmat suits.

56:34 Speaker 2: He was first put in there to retrieve man made the triangular UFOs that are coming out of north of Grumman and raytheon that would malfunction and crash, and we have great artists rendition of exactly what these look like. Then he was moved into an operation where they would target someone was targeting not him, the extra trestor ones and stunned them and they would go in theo retree them. And when he realized what we were doing, and he had an encounter with two of these events extraterrestrial biological entities, so was what they're called, or aliens.

57:10 Speaker 2: I don't use the word aliens, people think of someone from Peru. But what happened is he was so second by what they were doing. He tried to separate from the operation, which you generally can't do. But he had an uncle and we know who he is, very high up in this cleandestine program, who helped get him out. But then he subsequently went through a whole series of events, including an attempted alien abduction with these fake looking gray aliens, and he actually knocked one down. We have a great artistic our artists rendering and how it split open what looked like the skin, and they were all fiber optics and integrated circuits and stuff.

57:53 Speaker 2: This stuff is very sophisticated technology, way beyond what people can imagine we might have. So when he reached out to me, he was going to come actually to the National Press Club and the congressional things we did last summer in June a year ago. And a van pulls up, an suv pulls up. Guys come out and they say you've stepped one step further. Look at your phone, and they had put child pornography all over his phone, all over his computers, and says, you won't see your two little children again because he was recently in these programs.

58:28 Speaker 2: You'll spend the rest of your life in prison. And he called me up. Now, if some nonsense like that happens to one of my guys, now it'll be monitored. If they come forward, to hand them off to this Special Access Projects team that have this monitoring capability, they will open a criminal file and arrest and open a criminal prosecution whoever threatens these witnesses. That's what we're setting up because I'm fed up. I mean, I've been carrying this ball and chain for a long time. So that's the kind of stuff that happens routinely.

59:04 Speaker 2: I deal with this every week. Every month we have a new whistle blower comes forward and these sort of dirty tricks and nasty nonsense. I've been powered. I'm a civilian. I mean all this stuff you hear me I'm talking about doing. I've done probono without charge and the interests of the public. But you know I I there are there's a there's a critical mass that's happened. I call it of very capable military and intelligence and civilian folks who know that it's time for this to come out, and now they have finally put together a way to protect these wonderful And I have to say, the names you see on that list are incredibly courageous people who've come forward.

59:50 Speaker 2: But sometimes they start to come forward and they get such a threat they back off. Let me, let me ask a couple of questions. And that frustrates me because some of the best one, some of the very best people I'd like to pay out in front the Congress and the public. The best ones, I would say, are the ones that they throw the worst dirt at.

1:00:08 Speaker 1: And the tactic is always the same, right, it's public humiliation, embarrassment in front of your family and kids, ruin your legacy, and whether you have done anything for us to blame you or not, we can fabricate it anyways and destroy your entire life.

1:00:24 Speaker 2: Right, And that's the strategy. Go in and clean out your bank account. Yep.

1:00:28 Speaker 1: You know what would be a great insurance business is to find a way to protect you that if anybody ever tries to do that, you'll protect it from it. I don't know what the method would be to do that, but that would definitely be a big insurance industry. If somebody could protect you from those types of things.

1:00:46 Speaker 2: Well, you know what I did instead. I did what it's called my dead man trigger. And I have files that no one's ever seen that something happens to me. And I put this in place in the late nineties after I was almost kid, and I said, yeah, if I just flat out get killed, the thing, the stuff that will hit blockchain and internet and sites that will curl your toes. I mean, the archive is mind blowing, but the stuff I've redacted and these private files would be more explosive. And I did it because, you know, the first three people who were killed was back in that era.

1:01:24 Speaker 2: One of them was a former CI director helping us. I don't know if you remember. Back in the Ford and Nixon and Ford era, there was a CI director named William Colby, Bill Colby. And Bill Colby was read in or briefing on this was very much involved, and he was maybe pushing eighty and very fed up and bless you, and he was he was like he was over it. So what he was going to do. He was going to hand off to us one of these zero point quantum energy generation devices free energy, and initially about fifty million dollars in seed money just to get that going and hand it off.

1:02:10 Speaker 2: But he wanted to do it Clint destinely, which I thought was very dangerous. He should have done it on CNN or news or the press conference, but he didn't want to do it that way. So there was a colonel who was on my team, who was his best friend, and the week he was going to meet with a member of my board, Bill Colby, the Pharmacy I director, was found floating south of d C. And the river made to look like a canoeing accent. Even his wife went on CNN said he would not have been out there canoeing in a rain swollen river at dusk and he was killed.

1:02:45 Speaker 2: And his friend, who was a colonel, said, oh, absolutely, yep. So that was a shot across the bow. That was in nineteen ninety five during the Clinton era, and what people don't a lot of people don't think that kind of thing happens, And of course the media said it was an accident. His son, unfortunately thinks he committed suicide. Which he didn't. And that's a terrible thing that I think your father committed suicide. He did not commit suicide.

1:03:14 Speaker 1: What's the story of what happened when Nikola Tesla when he got out in a cab and you know that whole story.

1:03:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know he knew too much too. You know, when Albert Einstein was asked by a reporter, what's it like being a genius? You know what he said, I wouldn't know as Nikla Tesla. Nikola Tesla was probably the great genius for the twentieth century, and he died a poor man, a bitter man. Most of his huge breakthroughs never saw the light of day. You know, he had one of these sort of electromagnetic generators that was free energy. JP Morgan famously told him, if we can't put a meter on it in charge, the utilities is not coming out.

1:03:53 Speaker 2: I mean we're talking twenties here, one hundred years ago. So you know, it didn't help that he was a genius and had these breakthroughs. And that's why it was. It's like twenty four trunks of secret papers and the day he died. We can prove this in this archive is a Department of Defense memo to the FBI demanding that the FBI turned those over, and I don't know if they ever did. I mean that happened in forty three. The document is not contested, it's authenticated. Document was from the nineteen eighties.

1:04:27 Speaker 2: So eventually someone at the Pentagon realized what the FBI was sitting on in a compartment at Black Project, and they wanted it. So, you know, the untangling the history of this, you know, of course we'd be here for a week. But it's all in the archive. I mean, it's it's laborious to go through. It'd probably take people two years just to partially read it and see it. But you know, I just want to say one thing that's missing the archive is that I've done. I think it's about twenty intelligence briefings that are being re and with links that aren't in the archive yet.

1:05:04 Speaker 2: That'll be the first category there. Right now they're thirteen, so it will be fourteen with this one, and it will relate to each of the categories crash retrievals, military whistleblowers, technology, you know, the black budget of the United.

1:05:18 Speaker 1: We'll put the linklow to go so go back to technicol though, So what happened that the New Yorker. He's getting out the hotel. You know, I'm trying to see how I read the story. Cap hits him and you're thinking maybe there was an inside job that you know, broke his ribs.

1:05:33 Speaker 2: Or who knows. I mean, one of the things that Gordon Crichton said, he was a six guy in England. He's his testimony is in our he's British intelligence guys. In our archive. He says, if you become too troublesome, they just erase you, they get rid of you. And you know I heard that term first in the ninety he's a racer. There is a ratio, and I think that, you know, like I said, my coming of age of this, I was fortunate that when I first started out on this in the early nineties, there was a naval intelligence guy who I thought was an infiltrator, but he was actually a very sincere.

1:06:19 Speaker 2: I didn't know what an unacknowledged special access project was. You know, I'm a doctor, you know, I'm an emergency doctor and before kids and a golden retriever in the suburbs, right, so I had no idea, but you know, he took me under his wing and mentored me, and I learned a lot, and it was a very steep learning curve. Uh. And and that was before I briefed the CI director. So by the time I break the CI director, I knew all this uh structure, let's call the structure of the secrecy. And I think that's the hardest thing for senators and congressmen to understand or the general public.

1:06:52 Speaker 2: How was this structured that a president will be told, we're not going to tell you, right, and a few president's equipped. I know that President Carter was was at an event in Spain. I have a friend who was there, and he was asked, what was it like being the most powerful man in the world, And mister Carter said, I don't think I was that person, and they said why. He said, there are things that as president I wasn't allowed to know about. And someone kind of giggling, joking, kind of making fun of it, Oh, you mean UFOs and he said, yes, that and more.

1:07:31 Speaker 2: Carter said this. Carter said that President Carter in an interview, no and a dinner after an event in Spain. But I have a man on my team who was there. So this is a real issue. This is a huge governance because you're talking unconstitutional. So let's cut to the chase here. These operations are illegal black projects, not legal, and there are legal black projects at the President and the Gang of Eight in Congress oversea, but these are illegal, meaning there's no oversight and they're being run as a criminal operation.

1:08:02 Speaker 2: And I'll just call it out. They are not only criminal, but they're treasonous because they absolutely will defy the chain of command. So here's a really good example. On this letter. This correspondence is in the archive. There's a man who had been the head of the what's called J two, head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff J two and Admiral Wilson. And this memo leaked out a few years ago, not my doing. It was after astronaut Edgar Mitchell, the sixth man to walk from the Moon, after he died, someone leaked this out of his archive because I had brought doctor Mitchell, astronaut Mitchell to a briefing at the Pentagon that I was doing a stand up briefing for Admiral Wilson, and Admiral Wilson was very sincerely wanting to find out about what was going on with his issue.

1:09:00 Speaker 2: Before the meeting, I sent him a secret document it has not been declassified, which is in the archive. By the way, this is different from the trouble the President's in with classified material. We declared all these projects unconstitutional and illegal in the nineties, documented it, and therefore I have in this archive classified top secret and secret documents for the public to see, and they have not been declassified. I'll just put that on the table. So this document said, you know it was an NRO National Reconnaissance Office, which runs all the super secret spy satellites, right, and it was from Area fifty one LS Air Force Base in nineteen ninety one, and they were warning of some civilians trying to spy on what was going on at that secret facility from some mountaintops overlooking the facility.

1:09:52 Speaker 2: So they'd had what was called a security alert. But in that document which I acquired, I won't say how it lists did the project code names and numbers, And that's in the archive. Anyone on earth can see it now as of the nineties. So I sent this to Admiral Wilson along with some other briefing material, and he made an inquiry. And remember this is the head of Intelligence for the Joint Chuess of Staff, United States. And by the time I got to this meeting, he was scared to death and furious because he made inquiries suit channels based on the information we had provided, and he discovered the offices and the compartment at operations dealing with the UFO matter.

1:10:37 Speaker 2: And he was flat out told, you don't have a need to know. And he said, I'm the head of intelligence for the Joint Chess of Staff, how do I not have a need to know? For God's sake, they said, we will not discuss this with you. When he pushed on it further, they threatened him and they also threat with taking a star off his lapel, a demotion to retiring where he would lose a big pay cut in retirement. So that is a fact. Now, the same thing happened to the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Google it.

1:11:05 Speaker 2: The Defense Intelligence Agency is like the CIA but for the military. ATGENS, the Director General Patrick Hughes, I spent hours briefing at the Pentagon he had a similar thing happened, and he made inquiries through channels and was flat out told nothing. Now, there have been people who have been read in in those positions others haven't. Why do some CI directors or J two or whoever know and others don't. While we talked about a moment ago, they're tapped early, they come up through the system, and they're carrying water for this criminal operation.

1:11:40 Speaker 1: I had Wolsey on the podcast a few years ago. Oh, he denies all this. When I spoke to him, I said, so, you know, what was your experience like as the director of CIA? He says, you realized I never met Bill Clinton? So what do you mean I never met the president. We never had a meeting, never communicated with me, says I think at one encounter was just like when I got appointed, or do you want the job or not? And that was it. But there was no communication. And I think he was only the director of CIA for two years if I'm not mistake.

1:12:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe even less than two years. About can you look up the time, Yeah, it's less than two years when he was a director of CIA. So to me, based on what you're saying, was he one that knew or is he one that doesn't know anything. He's not at the levels of knowing what's really taking place.

1:12:28 Speaker 2: At the time we met. He didn't know. I think later he as when he left the CIA, he was pulled into some operations where he knew which is why he's he says very equivocal things about the issue. The same thing is true of Admiral Bobby ray Enman, who is probably at the top of the pyramid of this covert group keeping the secret. You know, I'll tell you some most comical stories alive. He was as of last a few months ago, so he's at the time top of the permier. He's very senior. Mister Cheney, him and a few other people.

1:13:04 Speaker 2: Have you spoken to him, Have you had meetings with them? I had. Have you ever heard of Senator Barry Goldwater, of course, Well, he was hugely interested in what we were doing. He was Goldwater Goldwater, and I went out to his place in Scottsdale, and what year was that, in the nineties, and he was friends with Admiral Edmund and so the Senator Goldwater was always trying to find out about this, even when he was running for president, and he was, you know, chairman of various committees in the Senate, and you know, John McCain took his seat.

1:13:36 Speaker 2: So I'm sitting at his house and Senator A gold Order you know, started saying, well, you know, I'm giving him all the information I have, and he tells me two very interesting things. He said, I was never briefed on this, even as the nominee for president or as the key members of the Senate Armed Services or intil never, he says, but I knew it was real because he had been in the He was in World War Two. Then he became a general reserve in the Air Force Reserve. When he was a general in the Air Force Reserve, he asked at a General Curtis le May, they used to call him bomb them back to the Stone Age Lay because he was advocating using nuclear weapons in Vietnam, which is what actually cost Center Goldwater the election in sixty four.

1:14:20 Speaker 2: But this, of course in the nineties, many years later, and Senator Goldwater says, look, I asked. He had heard that at Wright Patterson Air Force Base there was a name, he called it the Blue Room there and he wanted to go there. And so he approached General LeMay, who I think at the time was Chief of Staff of the Air Force, and he says, I want to go there, And General Lea May turned to Center Goldwater and we're talking, Yeah, and Center Goldwater was told point blank by General the May that if he ever brought this issue up again, he would have been court martialed out of the Air Force reserves, and that he General LeMay could not even get into that area anymore.

1:15:13 Speaker 2: Now, so I said, here's a measure of the level of corruption and secrecy someone at that level of government, Center Goldwater, conservative, Republican, pro military in the war being denied access to this information. So you know how many data points like that do you need? This is why I tell people, can't I prove that these programs are unconstitutional? Illegal? Absolutely, we can prove it. And so at that point, here's what really ought to happen. The Criminal Investigative Division of the Pentagon and the FBI should launch immediate criminal investigations into this.

1:15:54 Speaker 2: There's enough information. Who needs to well, for domestic could be FBI f guys is not going to do that. Well, not to cry, I never say never. And the other would be the Criminal Investigative Division of the of the of the Pentagon, because you know, there is enough proof of criminal activity and unconstitutional in treasonous activity to launch those Now, this is what I've been saying to the members of Congress in the last few years since they've started looking into this. I said, you guys, are you know here rearranging the chairs on the Titanic as it goes down.

1:16:32 Speaker 2: You really need to understand and learn quickly that, you know, you can make a request through the chain of command and you're going to be told nothing like Wolsey, nothing like General Hughes, THEE Director, nothing like Admiral Wilson, and all the dozens of other people like that. And by the way, this pattern you can replicate in the United Kingdom Australia, because I have had meetings with the men serve defense directors for Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom. None of them were given access and they all have told me, you know, this never came.

1:17:12 Speaker 2: They were never were told. And then subsequently they would have learned that, oh, there are operations right under their nose that were deep black, illegal operations. So this pattern is a dangerous pattern in terms of governance, but also for world security, national security, and the future of the planet and humanity. There's nothing good that comes from that kind of corruption. And so at some point some people with real courage are going to have to step up to the plate or you know, frankly, we're going to hell in a handbasket very quickly on this planet.

1:17:48 Speaker 2: Excuse my language, but it's just we're not in a place where we can keep kicking this ball down the road. But that is typically what politicians want to do. They just want to kick the ball down the road. Like when Admiral said, Admiral he says, I just I just want to retire from this command and retire at my place in Montana, go fishing. This is too much to take on. And this was a man who was the head of in charge of KUNIS Continental United States Security. So I hear that. I've heard all this for so many years, you know, And this is why I'm very encouraged actually that this special Access Project has been stood up to protect whistleblowers and that there are people defecting at a very high level from operational programs that are running these you know, systems out in the western desert.

1:18:46 Speaker 2: And separate from that, there's an entire group of Special Forces guys that I've been meeting with who are asking to eventually get authorized to strike these facilities out of.

1:19:01 Speaker 1: These people that are the powerful people that even Barry Goldwater couldn't get up to and President Carter couldn't get up to. President Trump has asked the other day by Logan Paula by UFOs. His answer was very generic. This one man told me that there are things up there, but you know he wasn't really given the answer.

1:19:22 Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean because you know, as one what President said, I'm only the president, and that's true. I mean, it's like the comedy, you know, but that needs to change. Now. There are people I know who are very good friends with mister Trump. And you know, I actually meet met with mister Biden when he was chairman of Foreign Relations Committee back long time ago. But he wouldn't touch this with a ten foot poll. And who is the most powerful person in America? Oh, I don't think anybody would probably know their name.

1:19:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're sort of behind scenes, but certainly people on this committee like Admiral Wilson, now you know he you know, here's the lineage he was. He was deputy director of CIA, then he was the Director of the National Security Agency. Then he moved on to the board of wait for it, Science Applications International Corporate Admiral Bobby Rayanman. So if you look at that. Often there's a trajectory where they're brought in and brought up, but where they end up the revolving door out of government and senior military intelligence.

1:20:34 Speaker 2: You keep seeing this pattern that the center of gravity are in these big contracting entities like SAI C and Raytheon and Northrope and Lockheed and so forth. So that's where the action is. I think the center of gravity isn't in the government at all.

1:20:52 Speaker 1: Was mister Bush Senior ever one of these high ranking people that was on the inside or no?

1:20:56 Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, George H. W. Boo, yes, W No. But George W. Bush, he was the one who threatened Bill Clinton. But stay quiet, there's none of your business. I have a witness to mister Clinton sharing that. George H. W. Bush Senior, Yes, it's this none of your business, but out because mister Clinton had stood up what's called Red Team. Red Team was a military special operation to the Blue Team was conventional military Black team. Were these illegal operations Clinton had authorized. I have a whole document on this.

1:21:31 Speaker 2: It's not in the archive, but it's definitely in my dead Man trigger. That was called Red Team, and these were people trying to infiltrate these illegal black projects, but most of them either got absorbed or killed, and eventually George H. W. Bush said, back off, this is none of your business. Did he? Oh? Yeah, absolutely he did. That's why they became fast friends and towards they remember did he did he?

1:21:59 Speaker 1: I do?

1:22:00 Speaker 2: Did he ever make it?

1:22:01 Speaker 1: Was Bush ever in a top five most powerful men in America? Or no? Was he?

1:22:06 Speaker 2: Still?

1:22:06 Speaker 1: There's people above him that he's reporting too.

1:22:09 Speaker 2: He would have been on the mid to upper level of that committee to three hundred people. But George H. W. Bush was definitely involved, I would say, ironically Chaney more so, mister changing.

1:22:23 Speaker 1: Cheney more so?

1:22:25 Speaker 2: Why is that? Because of who he is?

1:22:28 Speaker 1: And on the military industrial complex all the way.

1:22:31 Speaker 2: All the way back to the what was he Ford Defense secret? I mean all the way back to seventies eighties? Yeah? Absolutely? How powerful was a Kissinger? Was he anybody? Oh? Yes, above a Cheney? Sure? Absolutely so. He was one of the two hundred. Sure, yes, mister Kissinger. Yes, what's your opinion on him? It's unfortunate. I mean, you know, I think he's a very brilliant man, but you know, I think he moved us in a lot of corrupt directions. And harmful directions such as this issue. For one, because and I don't want to go to Mimy he's passed away.

1:23:12 Speaker 2: It's irrelevant. I speak too badly of him, but I think he would have been very way high in that pecking order, but was very interested in, I hate to say this, subverting American power for global power. So this is a pattern you see. And it's not that I'm against you know, international relations or all that, but there is a concerted effort, in my opinion, to subvert and make subordinate American power and interest to some of these global schemes and agendas. And the Kissinger was really one of the original architects of that.

1:23:58 Speaker 2: But because you you can't take this uap UFO secrecy issue out of context with all of these other concerns, you know, national security, world security, energy, financial, I mean, for Havn's sake, is the petro dollar right from Bretton Woods after World War Two. You know, the reserve currency of the world is the dollar. But it's mainly because it's the petro dollars. It is the currency of exchange and trading in oil and commodities and everything else. So this is all extremely complicated you release this information that we're not only are we not alone in the universe, but we've already figured out how they operate.

1:24:38 Speaker 2: And I will tell you right now, the extraterrestrial issue part of this is nowhere near sensitive a secret as the part that deals with the technologies that we have humans have in the hands of people who are misusing them and are withholding the beneficial ones from humanity and from the That is a much bigger secret so far.

1:25:03 Speaker 1: When I asked you, you know Barry Goldwater, you know he's there, but he's not has Bobby Raynman? Okay, So Bobby Raynman has more influence than he does. Then I went to President Clinton and you said, no, George H. W. Bush Senior has more influence than he does. He's passed away. He's that he's passed away. Then I asked you about Kissinger. Then you said Dick Cheney was more powerful than Senior.

1:25:36 Speaker 2: Okay.

1:25:37 Speaker 1: Then I asked you Kissinger. You said, no, Kissinger was more in that community of that influence and very gluble with it for sure. I mean, yeah, And he had a very interesting reputation, fascinating guy to study, by the way, some of the things he said, he said, uh, the the illegal we.

1:25:56 Speaker 2: Can do fast.

1:25:56 Speaker 1: The unconstitutional takes a while, said something like that.

1:26:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually an our archive that quote. Yeah, you know, he said, yeah, the illegal we can do immediately and takes a little longer.

1:26:08 Speaker 1: Interesting guy, very interesting guy, woman eyes er, playboy liked at one point sexiest man I think in nineteen seventy two, all the stuff that you read about him. Interesting guy. Okay, so then go up above that. Who do you know that you will put even above Kissinger from the last seventy years that we would.

1:26:24 Speaker 2: Know about the name, you know, right off the top of my head, I can't think of one, certainly. You know, some of the corporate folks that nobody would think of. Tillerson would would be very powerful, you know, Jack Welsh in general Electric Jack Welcher would put ahead of very high up now at a certain point, you know, it's not a pecking order. They collaborate, I think. But what I understand that committee collaborate and it sort of squabbles. But you know, when I was first told about it, you know, back in the early days, used to talk about there are these documents that got released called the Majestic twelve MJ twelve, and nobody knows that they're authentic or not.

1:27:16 Speaker 2: I think they are largely authentic. But what's not in dispute is this NRO document from the nineties and one of the compartment operations is MJI MAGI or or sometimes you'll see m AJICE, and it stands for the Majority Joint Intelligence Committee, and that is the group that is a joint entity on the US end of this that deals with this subject, and that is in the document. You can pull it up. It's the National Reconnaissance Office document Nellis Air Force Space in nineteen ninety one.

1:27:50 Speaker 1: So we pull up Majestic twelve, Rob, I just want to is this Majestic twelve, also known as Magic twelve, is a Purport organizational presenting UF conspiracy theories. The organizations claim to be the code name of an alleged secret committee of scientists, military leaders, and government officials formed in nineteen forty seven by an executive order by President Harry Truman to facilitate recovery investigation of alien spaceships spacecrafts. The concept originated in the series is supposedly leak secret government documents, first circulated by ufologists in nineteen eighty four.

1:28:23 Speaker 1: Upon examination, the Federal Beeer FBI declared the documents to be complete bogists, and many euthologists consider them to be elaborate hoax. Majestic twelve remains popular amongst some UFO conspiracy theories, and the concept has appeared in popular culture, including television, film, and literature.

1:28:41 Speaker 2: Here's what I think actually happen. If you want to hide something, you hide it in plain sight. So a great deal of information and those documents is true, but the way they came about was a hoax. So if you're involved with counterintelligence and information's coming out, you want to tot people to something that's the provenance is going to be a problem, and that way it takes them down. A National Security Agency guy described it to me this way. He was the right hand to General Odum back in the day, who is the director of the NSA, And he said, we call this a DDT operation.

1:29:18 Speaker 2: You set up a decoy, you distract people, and then you trash them. And so by releasing things that are questionable provenance, then it can you sort of put it out there. And much of the information may be correct, but because the provenance is bogus, it takes the information down with it. So one of the things that's very complicated is understanding how counterintelligence and disinformation works on this It's byzantine, it's complicated. It takes a lot to unravel it. And that's why I tend to be very careful with both witnesses and documents if I don't have a good provenance for it.

1:29:58 Speaker 2: So, I mean, that is something that's hard to do when you're you're trying to run an operation like we do without any uh, you know, real clearance. I mean we you have to rely on people and their credibility and what documentation they can prove. And I think what's most important. The reason I'm releasing this, this archive is that if you go through it carefully, you see where the dots all connect. But these intelligence briefings we're working on the modules, we call these intelligence modules. When those get put in, it's going to connect all these dots.

1:30:33 Speaker 2: And that's a big undertaking that we're working on right now.

1:30:36 Speaker 1: Jamie Diamond, what do you put them? Is Jamie Dimond a person all the way at the top or not?

1:30:41 Speaker 2: Really?

1:30:41 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I don't know anything about him. You don't know anything, no information. What do you, what do you think about Elon Musk and would is he like a Nicola Tesla? Is you a good guy in your rights? Is he somebody that you know, do you establishment can't stand? Is he someone that can't control?

1:30:56 Speaker 2: Well? I think that certainly if he was in cline Lining to research this end of it, he wouldn't be making up I call it a fake Tesla. I mean a real Tesla car wouldn't have to be plugged in. It most certainly wouldn't have nine hundred and some pounds of lithium ion batteries. It would be an electromagnetic genre. You know. If you look at this archive we have with this whole account of this inventor named Floyd Sweet, he had something that size a little bit bigger than a cigarette pack. And then this was back in the eighties and we have all the documentation on this, huge files on it, and it was running a three hundred horsepower motor that could run your car.

1:31:40 Speaker 2: And it never had to be plugged in. I think the battery start up with some very tiny battery, you know, and once that circuit started, it was pulling energy out of what's called the quantum vacuum some people called the zero point energy field. But let's describe about that. As you see your teiclat there that mug, the amount of potential energy and the space in that mug is enough energy to boil off all the oceans of the Earth. It has been quantified, and that's called the zero point energy field.

1:32:14 Speaker 2: So if you understand the physics of these very high voltage VHV we call them very high voltage systems where at certain it may be millions of volts, but at very low power, but at certain cycles per second, certain frequencies you can tap into. That depends on what material you're using to explain to zero point energy to the average person. Well, so visualize just the space around you and everything around you if you get down to by classic definition, it's the energy left after even all sub atomic particles have been brought down to minus two hundred and seventy some degrees kelvin.

1:32:55 Speaker 2: But there's still this energy field. That's the baseline energy field that all of matter space time, some atomic particles are fluxing in and out of. And interestingly, the early Lockheed Man made UFOs were called flux liners because they were tapping into that energy field. The quantum flux. So that's basically it, and it's huge. I mean, I think Nikola Tesla called it the infinite energy field, and Professor Diraq and modestly called it the direct see. But a scientist named doctor Casimir CSI M. E. R. Back in the thirties spot postulated this but then proved its existence in the fifties another important date, and that's called the Casimir effect.

1:33:44 Speaker 2: The scientific information on that is also in this intelligence archive. So you know, I wasn't even born when Professor Casimir proved the existence. Now what's debated amongst scienceists currently is that you can tap into it from a practical point of view. But you can, and the proof is. You know what the proof is. Look at one of those UFOs moving, no jets, no rockets, no internal combustion engines, no nuclear no heat signature. In fact, when you get those things, operational temperature actually goes down.

1:34:17 Speaker 2: If you're in a hangar with two or three of these things hovering, like we have the pictures in our archive of what's called the ARB there at the Norton Air Force Pace in nineteen eighty eight, it actually is like an air conditioning. It cooled down so not only do you not have heat coming off of it, it actually pulls temperature down somewhat. And so there's so many applications of these sciences. I mean, think about it. You'd be free energy, refrigeration, cooling, server forms, farms if you're concerned about climate change for whatever reason.

1:34:52 Speaker 2: But even people who don't think there's climate change due to pollution, there's five plus million people a year die from particles from emissions coal and gas and oil, and not to mention radiation causing cancer from nuclear and all of that would be replaced. See, I mean, all that's gone. Now, that's the good news. The bad news is you're stepping on the toes of hundreds of trillions of dollars in assets, not just the market cap of these big corporations, but the commodities. Think of what's traded on the Chicago Board of Trade, you know, just in futures, in commodity training, it's trillions.

1:35:30 Speaker 2: So all of that, you know, you're not trading commodities anymore. Surprise you don't.

1:35:34 Speaker 1: You're not studying much of Jamie Diamond or Larry Fink or Blackrock or some of these guys, because who is funding all these programs. Where are they getting the money from?

1:35:43 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, Goman, Sacks and Blackrock definitely have involvement with these operations. And you know, the more current people who are involved, the more it's shadowy. But when people get older or pass away, then they start. Let me give you a great example. After World War Two, at the end of the war, there was a man named Paul Mellon who was you know, the Melon Carnegie. The Mellon family one of the few billionaires in the world into World War two. His grandson has worked with me, who was also a Senator John Warner's son and Senator John Warder was like a lower level operative on this majority.

1:36:28 Speaker 2: Yes, and so Paul Mellon he went over and at the end of World War two with General Patten and Alan Dulles and they confiscated this disc.

1:36:42 Speaker 1: That was.

1:36:44 Speaker 2: An early attempt to make an electromagnetic anti gravity thing. It wasn't fully operational, but they brought it back to the United States. And how do we know this because towards the end of his life, Paul Mellon, who was very instant mental with Alan Dallas and forming the CIA and all that stuff. Remember, the OSS became the CIA osister and World War two, and when he was getting older, he had had a couple of Martinez and told his grandson John Warnered the fourth that in fact he had gone over there and brought this thing back, and that it was not when the jet rocket thrusters, it was electromagnetic anti gravity.

1:37:25 Speaker 2: And so I mean that we're talking all night at the end of World War two in Germany in nineteen forty five. So that is something. What you find is that as some of these folks get older, before they meet their maker, as it were, they start telling things to me or to other family members who didn't share it. So that's you know, a pattern that in terms of you know, I have debriefed. You know, if you look at this list, there's seven hundred and sixty whistleblowers and witnesses, but I've met with more, some of them I never quite get their name, probably over a thousand, but all the people on that list I've debriefed, I mean over thirty four years.

1:38:06 Speaker 2: So I carry that in my head. Is why I'm trying to put some of this down. You know, in case something happens.

1:38:11 Speaker 1: To me, which president have you had direct contact with you spoke to that is interested in this.

1:38:18 Speaker 2: I've never spoken directly with any of the presidents. There's the only people who've been on their cabinet or people who have been like the SAI director or people work with them. Now, I've never got it. I've never met with any of them directly. All of them been asked to any of the recent one.

1:38:32 Speaker 1: Who's the most recent, most powerful people you've spoken to, that's that's reached out to you.

1:38:38 Speaker 2: Oh, I think by far, this former chairman of this fortune fifty company. I mean he's sit holding all the car.

1:38:45 Speaker 1: Is he Is he respected by a lot of people? Is he somebody that has a reputa? Oh?

1:38:48 Speaker 2: Yes, he would be. Yeah, he very much, he would be.

1:38:51 Speaker 1: So Okay, as a president, you get to campaign.

1:38:55 Speaker 2: You're done.

1:38:56 Speaker 1: I'm going to run for president twenty twenty four. I'm campaigning for human rights, to fix the border. You know, we're going to go climate change is a number one issue in the economy, stupid, And then we're going to focus on all this stuff, right, all these things that they say their campaigning on. Okay, great, what's the riskiest thing to campaign on. Let me kind of give you a couple of them, and you tell me Okay, one,

1:39:18 Speaker 1: here's what my campaign is going to be. Why is it that only two countries in the world allow Big Pharma to advertise on TV, US and New Zealand. Why are all the other countries not allowed that to happen. If you help me become president, day one executive order, Big Pharma will not be able to advertise on TV, just like cigarette and tobacco companies cannot.

1:39:39 Speaker 2: Okay, there's a lot of risk with that.

1:39:41 Speaker 1: Okay, You're going after a lot of strong people.

1:39:43 Speaker 2: Right number two? Number two?

1:39:45 Speaker 1: You you you know as your president. I think one of the things that you, as a taxpayer, are owed the truth. And I think this government in the recent years, we used to be an open source type of a country when Washington and all guys ran it. Today we are no longer open source. If you help me become president, I'm going to release all the six thousand patents in the Invention Secrecy Act of nineteen fifty one, and I'm going to make sure you know all about it.

1:40:12 Speaker 2: And it's going to help a lot of you guys.

1:40:14 Speaker 1: You're gonna save money on electricity, you're gonna save money on oil, and cars are going to be able to run on this because it's going to help us with this, and it's going to help us with pollution, and we're no longer going to deal with poverty worldwide. It is never you help me. I'm going to make sure all that becomes public. Okay, you helped me become president. I'm going to give the truth of what happened with CI and I'm going to release the last fifteen percent of the information to know who assassinated John F.

1:40:37 Speaker 2: Kennedy.

1:40:38 Speaker 1: You helped me become president. All of these things that I'm going through, What is the riskiest one for your life? That if you say you're going to do that, ain't nobody going to help you and your your It's the riskiest position to take.

1:40:52 Speaker 2: Well, I think in terms of your own personal security, it probably be this issue, the UFO and UAP issue. Why would that be because behind it is the whole center of power that was running the planet, the technology. Because if that comes out, all of it's coming out. Look, anybody with a grain of sense, if and this is where we're getting really close, Like when the Pentagon confirmed that that UAP that we chased off the coast California was real in three dimensional and not an artifact or a misperception broad daylight.

1:41:28 Speaker 2: What they admitted to without saying it is that there's there's something that's there that's three dimensional and real, that is absolutely defined the aerodynamics and energy of anything known thought by the public, now not known to man and certainly not known to these clandestine programs. But so going into that, then you're you're you're also here's the other big risk. The only reason this could have been kept secret is that the big corporate media, left right center. All of it is corrupt. I have dot there's a whole section in here about it.

1:42:10 Speaker 2: You'll convince all of it is corrupt, absolutely corrupt. And the proof of it is, why would they given what we've already put on the street and had press conferences around and right here, one hundred and twenty two named whistleblowers, Why isn't that being covered by Fox, CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post. So if you go in here, you'll see that on certain issues, the media is actually the most culpable for the secrecy because the fourth estate, which is what the media is called, and you know, is supposed to be a watchdog against these s excesses, of the government and abuses of power.

1:42:56 Speaker 2: And we're talking the biggest abuse of power in my life, in certainly in the last seventy to eighty years, And why wouldn't there be investigations on that? So let me tell you a little story hypocryphal, but Mike Wallace was a famous reporter for sixty minutes CBS. A good friend to his name of Bob Schwartz was on the board of Time Life and knew him very well. And I was at a meeting in New York back in the nineties and mister Schwartz told me about how Mike Wallace had gotten some government documents from a source about the UFO issue, and he said, this is the biggest story in history.

1:43:36 Speaker 2: This is the biggest secret in US history, and he was going to do a sixty minute special on it. At the time, Westinghouse, a defense contractor, owned CBS. And basically from the top Mike Wallace was told, you'll do no such thing, and he went into a very deep depression. In fact, he went on Larry Kingon admitted he becomes suicidal because he realized he was a fraud. He used that word. Now, he didn't tell this part of the story. His friend Bob Schwartz told me at a salon in New York.

1:44:08 Speaker 1: I think he told Larry Kinky thinks he's a fraud.

1:44:12 Speaker 2: Mike Wallace, did you can go find that? Say? He says, I, you know, why are you as well? I just thought I was a fraud. And so somewhere in there now I saw that episode and what Bob Schwartz said. Robert Schwartz said, Look, he was so devastated because he thought, here, we are the premiere investigative journalist. We take on anything. He had never been told he couldn't do a story. He was not allowed to do this story. He was flat out stood down, sat down hard, and said, no, you will not. Now I have dealt with many media people, very high up, and they've had the same thing happen to them.

1:44:48 Speaker 2: There was a guy named Ira Rosen who was the executive producer of twenty twenty in Primetime Live, and after the first National Press Club event that we did in two thousand and one May twenty three years ago, he approached me and he wanted to have this first sort of tranch of whistleblowers and witnesses come forward, and so he came out to my home, my farm in Virginia near the University of Virginia, and I gave him thirty five digital hours of summaries of these testimony and hundreds of pages of government documents.

1:45:22 Speaker 2: He says, if this is true, this is the biggest story ever in US history. I say, yeah, it is so, I said, but I don't think they're going to let you do it. He says, oh, I'm the executive producer of this, and that he had been with by the way, sixty minutes, and I think he's back there now. I'm not sure. Anyway, this is a long time ago, twenty some years ago. And I said, Ira, I don't think they're going to let you. A couple weeks later, he calls me up. He says, well, doctor Garr, you're right. They won't let me do this story.

1:45:53 Speaker 2: I said, Ira, who are they? And he says, doctor Gear, you know who they are. And so we stayed in touch for a few years. Now. I can tell you account after account after account like that. So when you get really close to truth, now, if you cover nonsense or something that's disinformation, or you know, I was attacked by an alien and raped and have babies floating around alpha Centauri. They'll cover that. I mean, the media will be happy to cover nonsense, but when you have hard evidence interesting, they're not going to cover it.

1:46:23 Speaker 2: And I don't care how high you are you think you are in that food chain in the media, I challenge anyone listening to do that. Now, look what happened to Tucker Carlson. I don't know if you know who Tucker Carlson. He was on Fox. I was on a show a month ago. Oh okay, yeah, I would like to be on it. But see, he got gas lit. He had a whole bunch of disinformation. People come to him and provided him with enormous amount of false information. And so one of the problems is, you know, a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing on this issue, and it's very very easy for someone with a limited amount of access and information to have people come in and steer them in the direction of the aliens are eating us for a launch and taking our babies.

1:47:10 Speaker 2: Right. That whole rubbish, But that is really the stock in trade. So if you move in that direction, doors will open. If you actually start putting out the truth, every door will close. Same thing with Hollywood. You know, I had Arnold Coopelson, who was a huge billion dollar producer back in the nineties. You'll see in the archive nineteen ninety seven I did a congressional briefing off site with the first Early Gathering or the second Early Gathering or whistleblowers. The first gathering was nineteen ninety five at a silamar in California.

1:47:44 Speaker 2: This was ninety seven in DC, but at the Georgetown Weston and so members of Congress came, and Dan Burton, who was Chairman of Oversight, came, and you know, this was all you know, there were really people really were very interested in hearing this. This was not public, it was in in the news. And what I found was one of the men who came he was going to tell the members of Congress. That next day we had a day first where we met about having been on an inter agency committee back in the seventies where they could hit a button basically and stage an alien attack on the planet, and all that, and that all that had been in place before he got there.

1:48:29 Speaker 2: And I think it was seventy three or four. That night, some guys that he had worked with came to the hotel took him from his hotel room to a secure site out in Virginia until those briefings from members of Congress was over. Now, some of the raw footage of that meeting is in this archive now, I mean it was old high eight or VHS tape, but it's not cinematic, it's not a production. But it's interesting, very interesting. Ever since you released this, is anybody weird reached out to you. Well, people weird reach out to me all the time.

1:49:05 Speaker 2: But I'm talking threats. I'm talking we're going to release this thing you did twenty two years ago. Oh sure, happened all the time. You know, I just ignore it and I have what's good with the folks who are around me now, they monitor what's going on around me. One of your friends before we came in here asked me this, and I said, nothing like that's going to happen and not be known. And so now that there's a SAP stood up to literally arrest and create a criminal case against someone who pulls as kind of illegal operating, you know you can't threaten.

1:49:36 Speaker 2: I mean, if you threaten someone that is in a self crime, right, yeah, But I mean they do it all the time, but they do it all the time Tuesday for them, Yeah, but now this will be trapped. Oh with this thing that you have that's just June twentieth.

1:49:49 Speaker 1: You know, I'm really curious to know what the level of credibility and protection will be.

1:49:55 Speaker 2: Well, we'll see, I mean, yeah, exactly. I trust the director of the team that's lays on this three letter organization, the group. Yeah, and we've spent a lot of time. Are the three letter or no? Whatever? I mean, there are only so many three letter agencies that are not going to so we know that it has domestic authority. So are they Are they powerful? Are they powerful enough where they carry you know, weight? Well, here's the Achilles Hill with that. It's a SAP, a special Access project, and by definition is top secret.

1:50:32 Speaker 2: It's compartmented, so it's operating under the authority of this immediate supervisor. But it wouldn't go up to the director of that agency.

1:50:40 Speaker 1: Who do they report to? Independent because it's a SAP.

1:50:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, it's closed, so they they hold their own clearance and but they've been authorized, their group has been authorized to take these people, put protection and monitor.

1:50:57 Speaker 1: Ask is it kind of like an independent PMC, except that's an independent CIA version of what a PMC is no.

1:51:06 Speaker 2: I mean, it can't be independent totally. But the way compartmented operations are it's on a need to know basis so.

1:51:13 Speaker 1: But they have access to governmental information or no oh yeah, and also monitoring who gives them permission to do them? Who are the people who've authorized and for him the SAP? And you know where it goes beyond that, I don't know, because these remember the idea that let's say you're the director of the CIA, you're not signing off on all the thousands of compartmented SAPs and operations. In fact, they've told me, Wolsey told me it barely knows what's going on here. I know. Wolsey said, you know nothing.

1:51:47 Speaker 1: It's like they kept things away from him. That's what he told me.

1:51:49 Speaker 2: That's what the That's what they all say because it said, you know, call me, you know, call me, or they're not lying about that. Because this thing is so huge. Here's one of the problems at Eisenhower warned about that he's right, is that this is like a multi headed monster that's gotten created, and it's so big and it's so out of control. And if you think members of Congress are overseeing these things or the president, not just this any president, I'm very non part doesn't have to be or the National Security Council, You're mistaken.

1:52:21 Speaker 2: And they're dealing with so many conventional issues that this issue because they don't know about it. Day's like, wow, well it's the X files. It's a joke, it's nonsense. Now there are good people in Congress now, I would say Mark Warner and Rubio and jillib Brand and the co Chair of Armed Services and Burchett, Luna Moscowitz, who's here. I mean Moscowitz is very interested. I've spoken with him. He's your representative Fort Lauderdale, part of this area, and you know they're sincerely wanting to get to the bottom.

1:52:54 Speaker 2: The problem is they have no dedicated staff or funding. And one of the bad news things that I want to report today is a few weeks ago I met with members of House Oversight and they were aiming to get subpoena power and a select committee that was funded. Because you need a staff of a couple dozen people just unpacked ten percent of this archive I have and really then start an investigation properly. They don't have that. So when I meet with their staffers, you know, like one of them who is the most senior guy for Senate intelligence.

1:53:29 Speaker 2: He says, I've been told I can spend ten percent of my time on this. He ended up spending fifty percent. There was a huge burden, and he's the one who said, look, can you give me what you have? I said yes. And the genesis of the archive, by the way, ironically, was that they were supposed to put funding in place, so there'd be a couple dozen people going through my files and archives and information, digitizing them which they were all in paper and foul cabinets, and then going through intelligence analysis and unpack it.

1:54:08 Speaker 2: That never got funded. So over the last couple of years, I've spent about half a million dollars personally to get that done with some help and some donors, with a skeleton crew of you know, a couple of people and some volunteers. So that's why the archive is still not fully organized yet. I'll admit it needs a lot of work, but I wanted to get it out there for.

1:54:31 Speaker 1: The public as sort of a let let me let me ask this question on the nuclear side, right, you know, you hear stories about you know a lot of times when the aliens show up, is when we're in war or nuclear you know, absolute fears and all this stuff. And then you hear about the time where Eisenhower is on vacation and he steps away for a few days apparently allegedly he met with aliens because aliens said, you give us the nuclear stuff, we're going to give you some powerful technology. The world was so worried about it that even associated US reported that Eisenhower's dead.

1:55:01 Speaker 1: He died from you know, cancer, a heart attack. They just made up some kind of a story and he was alive all alone. Now, you know, some say that's a myth, some say that's true.

1:55:10 Speaker 2: No, I have a document from the Ministry of the Fact I want to hear it's so well, that's in here too. And there was a man who reported out about that meeting, and it was at Muroc in u RFC is where it's sort of near where Edwards Air Force Base is now. It didn't exist at the time in nineteen fifty six or seven when it happened, but yeah, that did happen. And you're spot on and bringing up this point that when we started detonating atomic and then thermonuclear weapons, what people everyone knows what an electromagnetic pulse says what they don't know is that embedded in that is what's called a scaler pulse.

1:55:50 Speaker 2: And Nikola Tesla was one of the original researchers of scaler electromagnetic And to make it simple, the light we're seeing or electromagnetic is a wave like this, like a sin wave, and it propagates at one hundred and eighty six thousand miles per second. Scaler, it's also called longitudinal, is a point and a line that goes out boom at multiples of the speed of light. But when it's done in an uncontrolled way, it rips the fabric of inter or transdimensional space time, which disrupts extraterrestrial communications and transport systems.

1:56:30 Speaker 2: So when we detonated the first atomic bomb boom, all of a sudden, there are et vehicles investigating everything we were doing on this planet. Because it wasn't just that we were on a path where we could kill ourselves. We were disrupting other operations that are extraterrestrial. And very few people understand this. Now there is an FBI document in the archive I understand. Once we released that, it became the most viewed document on the FBI website which one, And it was a memo from Guy Hotel h o Ttel to jag Or Hoover from nineteen forty seven from Roswell where you know we had those.

1:57:11 Speaker 2: It turned out three ET vehicles that went down. One wasn't found till fifty nineteen fifty or fifty one. And it's a memo where he said that apparently, yes, apparently the we've retyped it because it's so old and hard to read. In the forties that when they had a new quote radar system that when they switched it on, messed up the guidance systems of these ET vehicles, these discs that crashed. Well, remember radar is a euphemism for both a what you think of radar where you kind of paint the fuselage and it's you know, the beams that go out and bounce off an aircraft metallic come back and you track it.

1:57:57 Speaker 2: But they're also radar is used to track but then embedded and it can be an active system. And so what they had done they had put a classified By forty seven, they knew these ET craft were all around our nuclear facilities. Roswell was the only nuclear bomb squadron in the world or atomic bomb Squadron. Technically it wasn't nuclear yet and with Thermo nuclear it was atomic like Hiroshima and Nakasaki. But that was the only place on the Earth was the Roswell Army Air Base, and so they were trying to track and knock these things down.

1:58:31 Speaker 2: So that new radar that's mentioned here hit and it calls it they embedded the scaler signal, and it really these are all electromagnetic craft their guidance systems or propulsion, so it's not like you're hitting them with a missile or a laser. It's these weird directional energy weapons that are a crossover into this scalar area. And to this day. You know, when I went over the Black Site in September, about a month before I got injured, there was these massive electromagnetic pulst generators, but they also have embedded in them so you can target an object with that hit it.

1:59:11 Speaker 2: But he also had the scaler and that can cause these et craft to get stunned or lose controlling crash. So some of the people I'm working with currently have been on those retrieval teams that are actively still doing that. In fact, one of the sites I went over. I'll show you this video that one or two et craft per year are knock down there and it's very worrisome. The worse is that if a civilian aircraft goes in over that temporary flight restriction area, they knock it down.

1:59:43 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this when we're talking murder, Yeah, no, I mean listen, this is this is this is weird stuff.

1:59:50 Speaker 2: And that's still going on right That is still happening today right now as we speak.

1:59:54 Speaker 1: The level of technology, okay, some of the stuff that we got zero point of juteleporting, like the concept of tele is that something that's out of the ordinary. Is that currently do we have access to it? How long cap we had it? Who invented it? Is it being used? What's the worry with that? Why are you not releasing it? If they have actions, there's a lot of questions with it, obviously.

2:00:13 Speaker 2: Well all of it. I mean, they don't release it, there won't any one to know about it. But if you look at the testimony of one of our witnesses, Fred Threadfeld nineteen fifty three, he was at a Canadian Air Force base and they were experimenting with that so called teleportation and he said, it's so funny. They were using everyone smoke back then, these big ashtrays and it would be, you know, an electromagnetic system here and the other inner base another one, and this ashtray would go boom. Teleport.

2:00:44 Speaker 2: Now you know Einstein when he said the same particle could be in two places at once, he called it the spooky effect. But really what it is is what's called quantum entanglement, where every point in space and time is connected to the other. And if you look up quantum and haanglement, that's what this is. But imagine doing that not just for the particle, but the whole object or spacecraft. So those experiments were going on also thirties, forties, fifties, but when they began to unpack and really have some of the most brilliant minds I mean, I will tell you the smartest people I've ever met with, certainly IQ's north of mind, have been working on these projects in underground.

2:01:28 Speaker 1: So you couldn't mins teleportation is a real thing.

2:01:31 Speaker 2: Oh, it certainly can be done.

2:01:32 Speaker 1: When you're reading it, it says teleportation as the theoretical transfer of matter or energy from one point to another without traversing the physical space between them. It is a common subject in science fiction, fantasy, literature, film, video games, in television. In some situations, teleporting is presented as time traveling across space, to use of matter transmitters and science fiction originator at least as early as nineteenth century. An example an early example of scientific teleportation is found in an eighteen ninety seven novel To Venus in five Seconds by Fred Jane.

2:02:05 Speaker 1: Chain's protagonist is transported from a strange machinery containing gazebo on Earth to planet of Venus. A common fictional device for teleportation is a warm hole. In video games, the instant teleportation of a player character may be referred to as a warp.

2:02:22 Speaker 2: So if that exists, well it does. I mean, how are you going to go from one star system to another?

2:02:29 Speaker 2: Just just bear me with me a minute. If you're in a one percent of the way through our galaxy, the way is a thousand light years, which at the speed of light, which you can't go because as you accelerate the speed of light you become infinitely massive. So we'd be a thousand years one way, a thousand years another. So in order to traverse interstellar space, and this was concluded early on by the fact they were here and we down some of them. You have to do basically your ending space time. So visualize this like a piece of paper.

2:03:04 Speaker 2: I don't have one, but you know you have a star system here and we're here. Instead of going in a straight line, even at enormous velocities like or space shuttle or whatever, you through these very high voltage electromagnetic systems that also create gravitational waves, you can bend space time. So the piece of paper does this, so the two points come right here, so you're actually that's where you get into this whole non locality and physics and quantum entanglement in an applied setting. So the fact that you know it's relegated to science fiction is fine.

2:03:42 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that it isn't being done, because it has to be. You're not going to be able to travel through interstellar distances in any way during any species life span without obliterating, as it were, linear space time. And it doesn't mean you're not traversing, but you're moving trans dimensionally. So let's look at it from the point of view of it's like a quantum hologram, you know, a hologram where like if you had a hologram of Marilyn Monroe with her skirt, if you zoomed in on one little part of it, it would have the entirety of her image in it, and then zoom in again and zoom.

2:04:20 Speaker 2: So when you're talking about a quantum sort of holographic view of the universe, which is a correct one, then you're not traveling in a straight line, and you're using, however, a whole new area of physics. And this is not going to be in your physics textbook or an MIT. It's in these classified areas. And that's why I tell people, I'd say, some of the very smartest physicists and electromagnetic engineers I've ever met work in these projects, and they're in usually most of the time they're in a deep underground military I want to read this.

2:04:54 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety three, Bennett proposed that a quantum state of particle could be trans transferred to another distant particle without moving two particles at all. This is called quantum state teleportation. There are many following theoretical and experimental papers published. Researchers believe that quantum teleportation is the foundation of quantum calculation and quantum communication. In two thousand and eight, m Hoda proposed that it may be possible to teleport energy by exploiting quantum energy fluctuations of an entangled you set entangled vacuum state of a quantum field.

2:05:33 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, zero temperature quantum energy transportation was observed and recorded by Kazuki Akida for the first time across microscopic distances using IBM superconducting computers that are used by quantum computing. What so, it's already been done as being tested, well, it has.

2:05:56 Speaker 2: Been on this small level. I'm just saying that when you cross in these let's call them these forbidden sciences right that are are been highly classified, I mean, you know, and they were standing on the shoulders of great people. Uh. Nikola Tesla discovered many of these this phenomenon the or others. I mentioned the b Phil Brown effect with electrogravitic So what's called electromagnetic gravitic where certain voltages cause objects to float and shrink, change their structure. And I think it has more to do with the magnetic spin.

2:06:30 Speaker 2: I'm not a physicist, but from what I've studied and learned from people worked on it, that that is what it's really doing, and it causes a magnetic field flux that alters the mass, the actual not weight, but mass of an object, and then it can float and go up, you know, put against gravity. And that's how also how you control. If you look at how these objects move, often they've been like we had one case when I was in France, uh and we were doing a what we call CE five contact, which is when we when we attempt to make contact with these objects and these civilizations, and the object was moving over us at a two hundred thousand kilometers per hour.

2:07:19 Speaker 2: It was tracked by the French Ministry of Defense and an admiral was there. We were doing a demonstration for them, and it could make a right hand turn or stop. Now, if you were in a normal vehicle, if you were a pilot in a normal object, your brains would come out of your nose. The G forces would kill you immediately. So we know that they're able to do that and also control for one G in other words, so you're really in an electromagnetic space time bubble when you're moving like that. And that technology, as I mentioned, began to be experimented with in the twenties and thirties.

2:07:56 Speaker 2: But by the time the forties came along and they started in earnest studying the extraterrestrial vehicles, it took a while. And also it's not just energy and propulsion, it's specialized materials. I have the CEO of a corporation that took was working on the skin of one of these part of the craft, and it was such an unusual crystalline metallic material and they spent many years and figured out how to fabricate it. So some of the really specialized materials we have that we use have been sort of two or three steps removed, spun off from reverse engineering studying extraterrestrial not just energy and propulsion, but material science.

2:08:44 Speaker 2: So the material science is really interesting. And then the final one, that's the big one, is communication because the communication is well the Elon Musk would love this with neuralink, but it's non local. So their communications systems involve the ability to interface with very well designed electromagnetic systems that interface with the consciousness field and thought. So in other words, you want to do something to your computer, you just think to it without a wire, without an implant, like let's see that, but think of it.

2:09:23 Speaker 2: I mean a thought. What is thought? You know, we have these thoughts and it's like, hey, what dreams may come? But you know, you many people have had of these sort of experiences where they've had an out of body or near death. In my case, I met my wife in a series of lucid dreams. I think it's because I'm part Cherokee. Shame here, yep, I met her that way. I met her to at eighteen years old. Yeah. Well we're going to have our forty fifth anniversary in couple months. So what's interesting is that think about as civilization so advanced that that aspect of thought and consciousness without wiring, without something at the speed of electromagnetic can interface with a device.

2:10:05 Speaker 2: So in nineteen ninety one I wrote a paper and it was about this, and it was called consciousness assisted technologies. But it goes the other way, where a technology can assist your own consciousness. So you hear about the CIA remote viewing programs like Ingo Swan, who was a friend of mine, I knew where they were able to use consciousness to spy on the Soviet Union or what have you. It's so called psychic abilities. I mean, it's sort of a loaded term because it's so usually wacky, but that is real.

2:10:35 Speaker 2: And imagine a civilization so advanced that that innate ability is augmented, assisted with technological systems, and the reverse that there technological systems can interface directly. So when you hear many accounts of these ets, you'll see that they'll touch a console and think to it, and the craft moves and goes. So this is not I'm Alexander Graham Bell using the speed of light electromagnet I.

2:11:05 Speaker 1: Think sometimes you know, you're like you're thinking about somebody in a boom. Three seconds later you get that phone call. Sure, and that's happened. I don't know how many times? Sure, where it happens? How did this happen?

2:11:16 Speaker 2: Right?

2:11:17 Speaker 1: What gave you the signal that that was coming? What gave you a signal that that was taking place? You know, I couldn't pinpoint on what that is?

2:11:25 Speaker 2: Oh I do? But what is that? What it is? Yeah? Okay, this is why this is beautiful. This gets back into conscious quantum entanglement. So the ultimate non local entangled field is the conscious mind itself. You know Ern Schrodinger, who is one of the fathers of quantum mechanics and particle wave theory nineteen oh eight. He said, the total number of minds in the universe is one, and that is a singularity. So the real singularity they're looking for is actually the consciousness field. So you know, you and I are speaking right now, and you have your individual self and ego and personality and I have mine, but we're both awake, and that awake field is a singularity, but we end up closing it off.

2:12:10 Speaker 2: So if you open it, this is what meditation does. Meditation enables you to connect to that deep or transcendent aspect of consciousness that's actually omnipresence everywhere. It's not limited by space and time, which is why people can have experiences of a lucid dream and see something in the future or an intuition. And I as a medical doctor, I mean I'm not practicing now, and the nurses knew. I used to be able to do this. I would sense if someone had an occult or hidden cancer and I would just inematically order a cat scan when it didn't seem to be indicated.

2:12:46 Speaker 2: It would be in there because I could sense it see it. So that's something we ought to teach all doctors, by the way, but someday we will, but this is an area that gets into really controversy. Sal part of the work we do and that is going beyond, is just sort of the material entanglement to you know, how are these civilizations communicating? Well, it can't be like our cell phone. It's speed a light and it's got to be something that is instantaneous. What turns out through the consciousness field and thought you actually can connect bang instantly across a million light years of space, which is really amazing think about it.

2:13:29 Speaker 2: It's a way.

2:13:33 Speaker 1: Mind thoughts. Teleport, I don't know if you want to use that word. Could physical things teleport?

2:13:41 Speaker 2: Could you?

2:13:42 Speaker 1: You know? You know, at one point one would say, how am I going to be able to email you to go from here to Australia within half a second?

2:13:49 Speaker 2: How does that happen? Right? What causes that to happen? Right?

2:13:54 Speaker 1: You know, some of the stuff is way too advanced fort the average person to be thinking about. This is why you know, specific topics like this Swabinist conversation with you. But let me go to the next topic here.

2:14:04 Speaker 2: So esg right.

2:14:06 Speaker 1: Environmental social governance so important that even this net zero you know, asset managers Initiative. I don't know if you're familiar with it or not. They're talking about more than three hundred and fifteen signatories with the US dollars fifty seven trillion dollars in assets under management.

2:14:28 Speaker 2: You know.

2:14:28 Speaker 1: The Net Zero Asset Managers Initiative is an international group of asset managers committed, consistent with their fiduciary duty to their clients and beneficiaries, to supporting the goal of net zero greenhouse gas emissions by twenty fifty or soon, or in line with the global efforts to limit warning to one and a half degrees celsiuse, and to supporting investing aligned with net zero mission by twenty fifty or sooner. Are these guys noble people or they full of shit?

2:14:58 Speaker 2: Well, to be honest with you, I think many of them are well meaning but uninformed. In other words, you're not going to I own the I have the largest legal allowable solar farm in Virginia at my farm because the state caps how big it can be. And when our power went out in a snowstorm, we had no heat, we had nothing, it barely. I mean, this is a joke. You're not going to run a planet with eight billion people with solar and wind. Now with these zero point quantum vacuum these sort of technologies that have been confiscated, patents have been confiscated what we've been talking about that would get us there very quickly.

2:15:34 Speaker 2: But so I think their aspirations may be in fact noble, but their methodology is fatally flawed because they're not going to get there with any of the schemes that they're planning now. And that's the frustration here now. Ironically, I was at a meeting in twenty thirteen off the coast of Australia. It was a group of world muckety MUCKs. It was I was asked to give a keynote at this thing. I think it was one hundred and twenty people flown in on this island, and one of the people there was the head of an international I think it was international Green Peace director.

2:16:13 Speaker 2: He was so hostile to what I was saying because I pointed out that the only way we're going to get to these solutions to clean up the oceans, in the air and all this and it is to bring out these technologies. And he wouldn't hear of anything except the orthodoxy of wind and solar and I said, but you know, have you actually run the numbers on that. You can't get there from here with eight billion people. You know, there's not enough energy density or reliability and wind and solar plus wind doesn't blow all the time, and the sun isn't up all the time, and the battery storage needs are ludicrously huge.

2:16:51 Speaker 2: We have no ability to do that. So the solutions are going to have to come from the high tech classified sector. Good news to all your children in mine is that we have the solution. The bad news is a bunch of Nazis, I use that word like Petro Nazi, true fascist, ruthless people are keeping it secret. And I'll just put it on the table. And you're not going to get there by wishful thinking and holding hands and singing Kumbaya. You're going to have to do the heavy lift of getting these declassified.

2:17:29 Speaker 2: Now here's another solution. I've made an appeal if there are people of high net worth to put together a venture capital fund that would be an angel fund to create an open source R and D lab on this kind of electromagnetic and physics. And I think with the information that we have that probably in a couple of years we would come out without the government declassifying anything. Since most of the gun doesn't have access or these big corporations releasing it, we could bring it out and if you open sourced it in a multi centered way, streamed it on the internet, the whole lab streamed the instant you got your Eureka moment.

2:18:14 Speaker 2: Everyone who's an engineer or physicist would have the solution. There'd be no patent, there'd be no intellectual property restriction. That's what I've been proposing that we do. And honestly, if you're actually wanting to spend a fraction, you know, a millionth of a percent of what they're going to spend on this game, you'd get to this solution probably in a couple of years.

2:18:33 Speaker 1: A question for you, what do you think about Terrence Howard? Did you watch the podcast with him and Joe Rogan?

2:18:38 Speaker 2: I did not.

2:18:39 Speaker 1: You did not, so you don't see what things he was talking about.

2:18:41 Speaker 2: No, I didn't.

2:18:42 Speaker 1: There's a very viral interview. Are you familiar with Billy Carson? Oh?

2:18:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know him. What are your thoughts on Billy Carson?

2:18:48 Speaker 1: Oh?

2:18:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's doing some good work. He's here locally, and you know, I last year I got the Disclosure for Humanity Award from his organization.

2:18:56 Speaker 1: Right, we had him on two days ago. I thought he was very interesting listen to him, very interesting. Would you guys, would you say you guys are very similar on some of the ideas and beliefs or what do you Well, I.

2:19:07 Speaker 2: Don't know, Okay, I didn't see that interview, and honestly it sounds terrible. I don't have time. I don't look at other things much, and it's it's in the I just am overwhelmed. I mean, you know, you take a like unpack a little bit of what I tell you we're doing. I'm, you know, with this huge family and flying all over the world and working with all these COVID things. I'm not sitting and looking at these things. I wish I could tell you not. I appreciate that. I plead my ignorance. And it's not to dismiss anyone.

2:19:37 Speaker 2: It's just like I don't have to I want to wrap up on this.

2:19:40 Speaker 1: I think one of the things you said when I was watching you know, the Lost Century, right, and at the end you said you wanted to build a facility that's going to be open source twenty four to seven, you're working on stuff and there's cameras for other people to see on whatever you're building. Right, This whole concept of open source, right, probably became more mainstream when Elon started talking about all.

2:20:04 Speaker 2: Our stuff is open source.

2:20:05 Speaker 1: Open open sources is a phrase that's been on for a long time, but he just kind of took it to all different level with you know, a few hundred million followers and like, oh, what is open source? Let me look into this to walk me through why you know, your idea of open source and how that would protect both everyone.

2:20:21 Speaker 2: Why that's a good idea? You know?

2:20:24 Speaker 1: Is it going to get others to look and see, well, what what if we can do it better? And what if we can do it better? What are your thoughts on that?

2:20:29 Speaker 2: Well, see, that's the beauty of like crowd sourcing information. So let's say you're working on a system and you get stuck because you're having a problem rectifying the electromagnetic frequency or whatever. If it's open source and it's streamed, you have scientists hell over the world. There would be a specialist in there that could pipe in and say, well, try this right, so you collapse timeframes. Secondly, and this is more important if you do it secretively. The minute you get that eureka moment, the door is going to get kicked in, the device is going to get confiscated, and you're going to get a national security order on it, or you may get killed.

2:21:06 Speaker 2: Whereas if it's being streamed and the old saying the whole world's watching, that can't happen. And the other is that it can't be black shelld if a corporation does it. I know people who become very wealthy by having an invention like that and they say, well, hey, you know what's your price. There's fifty million dollars. Go buy a Lamborghini and you know they've sold the and they sold, and that corporation puts an all black shelf right and never seen or the patent office.

2:21:36 Speaker 1: In our archive, you'll see an MHL that I shilled by one of the guys for twenty five million dollars. If I'm not mistake. Oh absolutely yes. It happens all the time.

2:21:42 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, since nineteen ninety one, I've been dealing with inventors that keep having that happen. The other is that if you go to the patent route, there is a provision in the patent laws related to this secrecy act you talked about. And if you look at the interview we had with doctor Paul Vallone, who is a physicist who was in the patent office, he blew the whistle that they were doing this and that we have that we have that interview with him. He ended up suing the Patent office because he was terminated and fired and and and won a settlement.

2:22:15 Speaker 2: So he won't talk about it now.

2:22:16 Speaker 1: I shaid Volone, how do he spelled va l l O N E?

2:22:21 Speaker 2: Got a doctor Paul, he's a PhD. Physicist, So yeah, we have all that information. So what I've tried to do is say, over the last hundred years, how has this gone sideways when people have got these discoveries And so the idea of doing this on live on the internet, streamed, backed up, multi centered, but also where there's no intellectual property or patent attached to it, it's you.

2:22:51 Speaker 1: You.

2:22:51 Speaker 2: Basically you're squeezing the toothpaste out of the tube so fast no one can put it back in. And that I don't think would be so easily for straight to say, someone doing a stand up you know, a startup company and they're doing it secretively, and it's like the next iPhone, We're going to keep it under wraps.

2:23:11 Speaker 1: You know.

2:23:11 Speaker 2: That's how you end up dead or getting confiscated. And one of the things that I've found is people don't learn from history. But if you study this history of these sort of incredible technologies and inventions, you'll see a certain number of patterns. And one of them is this that people who try to do it, even with the best intentions, but are trying to you know, monetize it at the front end and keep it a secret or a patent or a special sauce. It never gets out to the public and they never end up getting anything for it unless they take a bribe.

2:23:45 Speaker 1: Who was the guy you spoke to the fellow where you said, look, I'm telling you make it open source, leak it to everybody. No, no, no, I'm not going to do it. I'm pretending then boom, he was killed. Who was a guy you talked about somebody on The Lost Century?

2:23:57 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure in that film, several people I've had that happen and yeah, it's a tragedy. Was it Thomas Mulray or no? Not?

2:24:07 Speaker 1: Murray was one of the ones you had a conversation with to look at the Yeah. There.

2:24:11 Speaker 2: You know, I've dealt with hundreds of these inventors over the years.

2:24:14 Speaker 1: Who don't want to give it up, who don't want to make they make.

2:24:16 Speaker 2: The same mistake over and over and over and over. Well, actually one of the groups was you know, the guys who bought all the stan Meyer. You know, he had a car that was running on uh water and that was real back in the nineties, I believe. But he also everyone didn't know he had a toroidal, a donut shaped electromagnetic device yep. And you'll see a picture of this thing because we were going to try to get that collection because he had died. Everyone thinks he was poisoned. We don't know, but he dropped it suddenly.

2:24:52 Speaker 2: And but there was a group that had a lot of funding from an all shore source who I know now, but we didn't know who they were, and they got all that material and they were studying it basically reverse engineering stan Meyer's inventions, including this electromagnetic It was like a doughnut shaped object that was free energy and it had a National security order on it from way back then, I think, from the eighties, and when they got it operational, they were sabotaged. They were a death threats.

2:25:31 Speaker 2: So I got a call from their big funder lord, so and so I'm not going to say it on the air because Peptist Confidential, who was providing all the money. And I said, well, I told them, if you do this secretly, when you hit that eureka moment it works, you're going to run into the mother vau buzzsaws. And they did. And so he says, well, what should I do? I said, you need to have them open source this dumping on the internet immediately into me and I'll see that it gets to millions of people. They wouldn't do it.

2:26:00 Speaker 2: They still thought they could keep it secret. They were going to go to another country. I said, dude, you're gonna have to go to another damn planet right to protect yourself. So the next thing I heard, I think it was more than a dozen of them were killed and all that everything vanished. And that wasn't that long ago. That was just a few years ago. And you know, I've seen this happen too often. So everyone who gets dollar signs in their eyes, I'm going to be the next Rockefeller of energy. Yeah, well, here's what's going to happen.

2:26:32 Speaker 2: Before that occurs. The Murder Incorporated is going to kick your door in and kick your ass or you know, they'll offer to buy you out, but you're not going to benefit humanity or the Earth. I think it's sort of like when the DARPA, the Defensive Vance Research Project Administration, started the Internet. It was them, not al Gore, and al Gore claimed he invent know but the truth is DARPA it it's open source, and it's spun off thousands of companies, including some that are trillion dollar companies.

2:27:06 Speaker 2: I think that if a group did this as Angel funders, they would be able to get it out there and it would spawn a whole new economy. Imagine what could happen in Africa and South America and Indian poverished areas. You would have such a huge uplift in humanity and the economy. Now, as that goes up, there are going to be some people who will go the other way. Just like royal typewriters didn't adapt to the Internet age and computers, and so they went the way of all flesh. If you made horse carriages and you didn't adapt to the automobile, you went bankrupt, So you know, at a certain point, that's just the way technology has to evolve.

2:27:57 Speaker 2: So the secrecy around all this it's time for and that's how it's going to happen.

2:28:03 Speaker 1: It isn't going to have open source model, so you have to you have to be willing to do it for civilization and your kids and family and others instead of your pocketbook.

2:28:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, but on the second order, now, let's remember, if you did it open source, it doesn't mean you can't then productize it, create products. Secondarily. Now there'll be a lot of people doing that, but it's like the first Xerox machine was still the first xerx machine, even if it eventually got copied and imitated. And let's not forget in this climate globally, I don't care if you patent it or keep it secret. The first thing is going to happen is in China and other countries, they're going to study it, reverse engineer.

2:28:42 Speaker 2: I'm out with generation too, and they're not going to care about your patent or your intellectual product.

2:28:46 Speaker 1: Even in America that we just saw, even in an FTC noncompete laws, they just change right now, that's getting effect in August that they're doing that.

2:28:56 Speaker 2: That's just a given. Yeah, So I tell people about this, you need to be smart about it because if you don't learn from history, you're going to repeat it and repeat it and repeat it. And that's, as I say, you know, the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. So I think this is a fresh approach. It's controversial because most people I've met of high net worth they want to keep it secret. They want to monetize it. You know, it's like, dude, you've already got a billion, do you care?

2:29:25 Speaker 2: I mean, you know at a certain point. I mean, I'm a retired doctor. I'm comfortable, but you know, I can't fund something like that. But I'm always astonished at how myopic a lot of folks are about this.

2:29:36 Speaker 1: Have you ever had a meeting with elam muscor now, you guys, have ever had a conversation?

2:29:40 Speaker 2: No? I haven't. Yeah, I don't know him personally. Interesting.

2:29:42 Speaker 1: I have a friend who who does. But you've never been on Tucker. You guys have never had any conversation. No.

2:29:48 Speaker 2: I think he reached it just hasn't happened. I would love to. Yeah, you know, yeah, we hook us up. I mean, I think he's he's been on the right path on some things on this issue, and then I I think he got gas lit and diverted. I mean, I'm being honest with you.

2:30:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's He's His level of curiosity and willingness to seek the truth and challenge the statistical and have the I don't give a you know attitude is going to both get him in trouble as.

2:30:24 Speaker 2: Well as get us closer to the truth.

2:30:26 Speaker 1: Yes, and I think that's a very honorable position to be in, risky because you risk not being liked and hated and you know, defame and defamation all this other stuff that comes with it.

2:30:38 Speaker 2: But hey, I've had it. But the other thing is, I said this earlier, little knowledge is a dangerous thing with this issue because I think out in the public there's nine parts disinformation and fake stuff and one may be one part real. And so I mean the reason that the chief folks for Intelligence Committee have asked me to come in is because they know that I actually have information. And so I think journalists like mister Carlson or others, if they're really going to look into this, need to look into it properly and uvail themselves of experts, And I always tell people, not me so much as what we've collected, but I can articulate that.

2:31:25 Speaker 2: But I just think it's very important for people to understand this is not like anything else. If you take, for the top secret document from Canada for nineteen fifty one of the things that said black and white, this issue is the most secret subject in the entire US government, exceeding the secrecy of the detonation of the first hydrogen bomb when they were working on the hydrogen bomb that was nineteen fifty fifty two, we detonated it. Imagine anything more secret than the ultimate dooms they weapon and what kind of counterintelligence and disinformation has been pushed out to the public to gaslight people and divert them.

2:32:07 Speaker 2: So I think people have to take that document seriously and say, well, what has been done? Yeah, And that's been my huge challenge is to you know, sift the truth from the fiction to the best I can.

2:32:20 Speaker 1: Rob, let's put the link below on chat when it goes live on Spotify on Apple, can you say the domain? So even some of the people that just listened to the audio, they know how to go find it if you can give the domain.

2:32:33 Speaker 2: If you really, if you want to find it, go to doctor Stephen Greer dot com. From there you can go do okay fantastic. So that's the easy way to go to and also just a little appeal two things. Next in July, we're going to have a gathering in California and Temecula that if people want a weapbinar. With that, they're going to learn a whole lot more about all this, including the CE five contact. There's an app for CE five contact you can get. We're also crowded funding the archive because it's going to cost us six digits a year, and the only way we're going to keep it free.

2:33:06 Speaker 2: We don't have a paywall up. We're keeping it free. But the only way to keep it free is that people contribute. So we're asking for people or.

2:33:13 Speaker 1: Did they do on your website or on okay? It says donate right there at the top. I see it fantastic. Last time we did it was four years ago. I'm hoping the next time we do it it's not four years from now. Yeah, it's a really I really enjoyed it. I appreciate you, appreciate your work. I'd never heard about Enveissioned Secrecy Act until I watch your documentary, and I'm so curious about it.

2:33:34 Speaker 2: I want to know what's behind it.

2:33:35 Speaker 1: There's a high level of curiosity, and I highly recommend everybody, if you don't go to his website, go watch the documentary The Last Century and you'll see what it's going to do to you when you start thinking about some of these clips. This is a podcast. This documentary actually shows these people that had the inventions and what happened to their lives. I think it's very, very important for everybody around the world to watch this. Doctor Stephen Greer, thank you so much for coming out. This was fantastic, Shadeed.

2:34:00 Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Take care everybody, Bye bright Okay,