Tracked from Childhood: Eglin AFB, UFO Secrets & Non-Human Intelligence – The William Carter Interview

0:15 Speaker 1: Come back to total disclosure, UFOs, cover ups and conspiracies, the show where the unknown becomes the undeniable, and the truth commands of voice. Tonight, we're joined by a man who stands at the crossroads of national security and cosmic mystery. William Ray Carter, also known as Bill Carter, a former.

0:36 Speaker 2: US Space Command security officer at the range test Site C six Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. Bill brings first hand insight into one of America's most secure and secretive military installations. With documented sightings, debriefings inside sinsensitive compartmented information facilities or skiffs, the decades of classified its experience, Carter's testimony weaves a web between what we're told and what's being hidden. From his new FOK report in January twenty twenty two to his explosive interviews throughout twenty twenty four, Bill has stepped out of the shadows to challenge the silence that surrounds UAPs and government secrecy.

1:21 Speaker 2: This isn't just another story. This is first hand accounts from someone inside the gates, inside the black projects, inside the silence. So ask yourself what happens when the keepers of the secrets begin to speak. This is total disclosure. All right. Welcome Bill, Welcome, Hi you doing toime NASA?

1:53 Speaker 3: Meet you.

1:54 Speaker 2: Nice to finally meet you. Yeah. Unfortunately, unfortunately we had to delay the conversation about a week. Had a couple of losses in the in not in my family, but also in the community with Earl gray Anderson, a great researcher, you know, so I was. I told everyone that I would dedicate this episode to Earl gray Anderson. So in his memory and in his mentorship, I dedicate this episode to the loving Earl gray Anderson, State Director of Southern California. Move on, so big episode, Bill, Big shoes to Phil h Well, I'm glad you have me on because.

2:36 Speaker 3: I've got a chance to tell my story a few times, and I keep finding out new things myself. So I'm glad I'm doing a few more interviews because once you get into this stuff, it really is. It's bizarre, it's strange, and you see a lot of things that don't have answers to them, right. I'm just like a lot of other people, you know, I'm trying to find out answers to things that I saw firsthand myself, and I think there are some people in our government that do have all the answers, and I think they should share them with everybody.

3:30 Speaker 3: I don't understand the secrecy.

3:32 Speaker 2: Well I do.

3:33 Speaker 4: I mean I kind of understand. I And listen and hear me out on this.

3:38 Speaker 2: You know, being someone of your of your stature, wouldn't you agree that some of some of the secrecy may be warranted? And you know, I say this with with obviously hindsight, you know, being you know, the greatest, the greatest asset, right, it always always twenty twenty, but you know, for a long time the secrecy might you know, if we found this out right after or during World War Two, and you know, right after the United States is you know, in a very vulnerable place, but people are very patriotic.

4:14 Speaker 2: United States was the hero. You know, maybe at that time the secrecy was warranted. But but but it's gone away, and we're owed some answers, so we we will have to meet the secret keepers halfway and allow for amnesty and all that good stuff.

4:30 Speaker 4: But I think we've come.

4:31 Speaker 2: To a time, a place and consciousness societally where I think we're ready to take that those next steps, right.

4:42 Speaker 3: I I agree that when some of these things first occurred, Like we hear now that there was a crash in nineteen thirty three in Italy that possibly, yeah, Roswell was a true story and all these things. And I couldn't imagine being an American back in those days hearing something like that. I mean, now we've kind of grown accustomed to space travel, you know, and now if somebody told us, hey, all that stuff's true, I don't think it would be such a shock now, you know, like it would have been back then.

5:25 Speaker 3: So I agree, you know, back then I could understand why, you know, that they would want to keep things like that quiet. But for people like us that have seen things, that doesn't do us any justice, you know, right, absolutely, what was it you know that I saw? You know, where did it come from? You know, you know things like that. So I'm in a sense like a lot of people.

5:53 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and with that being said, let's kind of start out the beginning. Now, this is the beginning retro respectively, of course. But you had a sighting you grew up in Georgia, if I'm not mistaken, correct.

6:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was born in Georgia. I actually grew up in Alabama, lived some of my early years in Tennessee and Chattanooga. But I was born in Athens, Georgia, and my family lived outside of Athens in a little town called Whole, Georgia, which is where we had our siding when I was almost four years old about that time, Can.

6:36 Speaker 2: You do you mind going into it and tell me what happened?

6:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was living in a trailer park. It was really small trailer park there in Whole. It was called Diamond Hill, and we had a big field that was adjacent to the trailer park. We had maybe eight trailers in this little trailer park. We had four on each side and had a little road that went down the middle of it, and it was separated by this barb wire fence that on the other side was the field. And that particular night when all this happened, I was crossing the small road in between the trailer park coming back from my uncle's house at the time.

7:34 Speaker 3: My uncle lived across the street there from the trailer we lived in, and I saw something out the corner of my right eye, and I thought at first it might have been a fire, like the field was on fire. So I turned to get a better look at it, and I saw this glow. It was like it was like a low from a fire is exactly what it looked like. If you've ever seen the footage of the UFO that was filmed over Cuba, that's probably one of the best pieces of footage I've seen out there. But it was exactly a glow just like that from a fire, is what it looked like.

8:22 Speaker 3: And I thought the field was on fire. Even at that age, I thought, you know, somebody needs to put this fire out. But there were some trees between me and this object, and I saw it move, you know. I saw it just slowly moving through the trees, and it was probably maybe eighty yards away, and I kept hearing my name being called, and I turned over to my left. I looked over and my mother was crouching down behind our trailer with my sister, you know, whispering to me, calling my name, telling me to come over to her.

9:07 Speaker 3: And I'm looking at this thing, and I can't take my eyes off of it, but slowly, I don't I don't know what happened, but I got my legs moving enough to get over there where they were hiding, and I got behind her and I kept trying to look around her to see it. She took us inside the house and locked the door. The next day we went out to the field and I remember us crawling through the barber wi and we went out to the field. Now, the next day, where we went to in the field was a different place from where I saw it the night before.

9:52 Speaker 3: It had moved like to a more like directly across from the road. It was like more centered up in the middle of the trailer park to where we were, and I remember us standing around this huge burnt circle in the field the next morning. Well, it was just a very surreal feeling, and I tried to forget it. To be honest, I didn't feel that it was real, and I didn't talk about it to my mother for years until I went to Eggland Air Force Base. We had had Well let me back up. Before Eggland, my family had moved to Fort Payne, Alabama, which is where I live now, and we had some UFO sidings.

10:44 Speaker 3: In the late eighties, five, Alabama, which is about twelve miles from here. They start having cattle mutilations. Oh, and we started having all the national news media descend upon our area. And there's actually some news clippings from that time on YouTube. If you type in five UFO. You hear the people talking about the cattle mutilations on their farm, and then the eyewitnesses that saw the UFOs at that time. We're talking. So, you know, even when that happened in the late eighties, I was about fifteen at the time.

11:31 Speaker 3: You know, I still didn't think too much about what happened in Georgia, you know, years before. And I went into the Marine Corps in ninety four. I got out in ninety eight, and I went into the National Guard in two thousand and three, and we went to We went to Germany in two thousand and five. We got deployed for OEF around that time, and we came back around six I got out right after we came back. I was stop lost while we were over there, and I still hadn't finished college. So at that time I got out for about three years, and the last time I went back in was in nine.

12:33 Speaker 3: I went into the National Guard. As soon as I went back in, they slated me to go back overseas again. They had my orders cut to go back overseas. They sent us to Eggland Air Force Base, and we actually had two jobs there. One of them was marijuana eradication. We were tasked We're doing marijuana eradication and the other one was doing garrison security with the Air Force Security Force guy. So some days we would ride tandem with them doing garrison security. And one day we went to this little small building on Eggland.

13:25 Speaker 3: It was at the top of a hill. It was a odd shaped looking building. It looked like to me like an old radio station or something that you would see in an old country town somewhere. And I stepped through the lobby and the guy that I was with at the Air Force Security Force guy, he went in and he was talking to some guy in a lab coat in the place. And I'm in the lobby and I'm reading this mission statement they have on the wall. It said, we monitor all space activity, terrestrial and extraterrestrial from planet Earth.

14:07 Speaker 3: And I immediately started thinking about what happened to me as a kid. I remember, I just had this sudden flashback of that night, of what I saw in the field with my mother, and you know, my mother and i've never discussed the incident ever, you know, I said, yours. I just thought it was some kind of dream or something like.

14:33 Speaker 2: And I apologize for cutting you off there Bill, But you know how common it is that when a group experience happens, or an experience that has happened, you know, something that is shared by multiple people, it's almost like the sighting occurs or the encounter occurs, and they're in that moment, they're they're acting as they would but then it's over and it's like they it's like nothing happened, and they just go, you know, continue on the lives. And like you said, it's it's I mean, how would you and your mom not have that conversation.

15:11 Speaker 2: That's what everyone's going to be screaming, is what you didn't you know, you didn't ask her what you guys just saw. But that's the thing, No, you know, it's it's more common than people realize.

15:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, it took it a while for me to, uh,

15:28 Speaker 3: you know, really start hashing out what I saw and everything. And uh, when I read that on the wall there at Eglin, the hair on the back of my neck just stood up and I looked over. There was a guard to my left at a podium when you walk in there, and he saw me reading that. He just kind of smiled at me, and.

15:48 Speaker 2: He knew which word you were looking at.

15:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't talk. I left the building and the guy that I was riding with, we had a great com We talked the whole time we were on patrol together. The guy he played football for Colorado or Colorado State. He was a kickoff return guy. He told me, and I remember he was telling me he was a gessu with you and I never heard that. And he was explaining to me his religion. And after I came out of that building, because I played football for years, and that's what got us in that conversation. I love football.

16:32 Speaker 3: I played for many years when I was in school. So you know, we were talking football, you know, a lot. And when we came out of that building, I didn't have nothing else to say. I didn't want to ask any questions about what I just saw or anything. I kept it to myself for years. I didn't even tell anybody in my unit. And I think I'm the only one in my unit that got to go to the place. When we arrived there, you have what you call guard mount. When we got to Eglin, we have a big security meeting with all the security personnel on the base.

17:11 Speaker 3: It was military police, which was my unit, the Air Force security force guys and the contractors that were contracted to work security there, and the guy briefing us, you know, he just got this big smile on his face and he said, oh, yeah, by the way, we have a marine patrol that patrols in the boat around Egglin. If you're lucky, you might get to see some space junk that falls into waters here surrounding the base sometimes, and it's some pretty neat looking stuff. I think it's what he said. Anyway, we laughed it off and we left, and I remember thinking, you know, I won't volunteer for that, because I don't want to be around anything you know, that falls out of space and catch some disease or something.

18:06 Speaker 3: So I didn't think nothing more about what he said.

18:11 Speaker 2: And yeah, either that or you get hit in the head with it.

18:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, And after I left the place, when we left Side C six. Now it's a restricted area. You have to you have to have business there, and most military police have a secret security clearance because you have to be able to go to any place on any base at you're stationed on in case there's some kind of security breach or something, and anything beyond that, like something that requires a higher security clearance. You know, I wouldn't be privy to anything like that. But most of the areas we were allowed to go into.

19:02 Speaker 3: And what I tell people is, you know, I didn't just waltz up there and go in by myself. I was with an Air Force security guy when we were there. You know. That's how I ended up in the place. So I'd heard stories about these retrieval teams, which at the time I had no idea, never heard anything about these retrieval teams. But one of the days that we were working in the in the swamps there, I had to pull the humvee over because I had to use the the men's room. Yep, oh yeah, I heard like a twig break and I looked over and these guys they were all dressed in black.

19:48 Speaker 3: They had these black helmets on that kind of like you would wear for repelling. They weren't military helmans.

19:58 Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I just want to is you real quick? So when we just want I don't know if you know who Mao Horrera is. I don't know if you know Jake Barber who you know? You know, both of the stories seemed to talk about these retrieval teams as well, wearing all black. So would you you know, when you describe them, can you any detail, every small detail you can recall, you know, well, was it black or was it like black camo?

20:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were had they had their faces painted black. Now were we were? My National Guard unit was only maybe five miles away from the US Army Ranger camp, which was down the road. Now, these guys weren't dressed like rangers that you were saying. They didn't want me to see them. I mean, they could have been out there and I wouldn't have cared what they were doing out there, because a lot of the military, you know, have different kinds of maneuvers they do out there all hours. Yeah, but these guys did not want me to see them.

21:12 Speaker 3: You know. I looked over and they were sitting Indian style in two columns. It was probably about ten guys in each row, and they were sitting, you know, cross legs, and they had you know, their left hand on their left knee and their right hand on their right knee, kind of like how we're taught to sit in the Marine Corps. Actually, and their face was painted black, and they had black clothes on, and I just looked one of them, you know, dead in his eye, and just kind of waved and I got back in the hovey and took off.

21:48 Speaker 3: I let them know, I know they were there, you know, like, haha, you know you got seen.

21:53 Speaker 2: You know, mission failed.

21:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I took off, and when I got back is when I really started thinking about pieces together. Yeah. It was one of those things that you know, I don't know if you've ever put together something years after it occurred, but you know what I saw when I was a kid. I tried to put that behind me because it was just something that amazed me so much and was so surreal that I wanted to forget about it, and I tried my best. If I would have been grown when i'd have saw it, maybe things would have been different.

22:38 Speaker 3: But my mother, my mother was very young when she had me. She had just turned fourteen years old when she had Oh Shoo, and she at that time she would have been about sixteen or seventeen years old. But no, she had been seventeen, seventeen eighteen, that is right, right, she was. She would have been about seventeen years old when we had that incident happened, and it's still just a be yeah, and I I asked her, I was trying to remember, you know, what triggered you know, the memory? I asked her one day, I said, do you remember something happening when we were living in Georgia?

23:26 Speaker 3: I said, I remember seeing this thing on the ground moving. It was you know, it looked like a fire, it was glowing. And I said, I remember us going to the field the next day and seeing this big burnt circle out in the field. And she about jumped out of her chair. She said, you remember that. I said, yeah, I remember it. I said, it's burnt into my soul. I can't you know, not see it. You know, it's just lived in my head, rent free for fifty years, you know. And that's when she got into telling me. You know, when we lived there, people were coming up missing that reported it.

24:10 Speaker 3: Because I asked her, I said, why didn't you report that? And she said people were coming up missing in the area. Anybody that reported it. They would put them in you know, psychiatric facilities or take them to jail way And I said, you kidding, She said no, I said, so what happened? I said, I remember me looking at it. I remember you calling me over, you know, behind the trailer to get behind you. She said, yeah, you kept looking around me to see it. And she she said what she saw. She saw it when it wasn't lit up.

24:45 Speaker 3: What she saw was she said it had three legs, and she said she was watching it around the corner and she saw a ramp come out of it to the brim. And when she saw the ramp come down, that's when she took us and rushed us in the house and locked the door. And when I recalled all this, I remember my grandmother. She used to tell a story about when she was going home one night, one came over her car. Now, I never paid much attention to it, because my grandmother never lied about that kind of stuff, and she only told the story like once or twice that it flew over the car and she thought it landed on the other side of this curve.

25:36 Speaker 3: Now, she was about to go around a curve and the curve had a blind spot in it, and she thought that once once it went over her car, that it landed in the road, and she was worried about when she got around the curve, was it going to be waiting there on her. She said that she just, you know, floored the car, and she said, you know, if it was gonna be sitting there, she was gonna go through it or whatever. But when she got it wasn't there. And then Mom got into telling me that before that happened.

26:07 Speaker 3: That night, her and her fiance and his brother and his girlfriend at the time, they were in a car one night and her fiance's brother was in the back seat looking up through the window and he said, there's a UFO over the car, because, like I said, at the time, a lot of people were seeing these things. And it came over the car, and she said that it paced them for a while and it finally just took off and left. Well, he came up missing a few years after that. He was coming home from work. He came up missing.

26:49 Speaker 3: He's never been found. I sent you his brother's obituary.

26:55 Speaker 2: Yes you did, Yeah, did you get that? I did? So for anyone who's watching or just listening, I will superimpose that right now if you do want to see it, and if you're listening, the link for the YouTube show is in the description, but I will superimpose that right now now.

27:15 Speaker 3: When his brother died in two thousand and six, which was my mother's fiance. His brother, Ronnie Thomas, was still listed as missing. Now. I tried to get online to find his name, to find him on a missing person's website or something, and his name is nowhere to be found. And that's really odd that this guy he went missing in around nineteen eighty two or eighty three, and he's not on any missing person's list anywhere. When his sister died in twenty twelve, he was still listed as missing on the obituary there.

27:55 Speaker 4: Wow.

27:56 Speaker 2: Wow.

27:57 Speaker 3: What's really odd to me is that you cannot find his name anywhere. But the guy's missing.

28:05 Speaker 2: He was a person and he saw something.

28:09 Speaker 3: Before that happened. Yeah, he he He's the one that sailed over their car before he came up missing a few years later.

28:18 Speaker 2: Do you think that he reported it?

28:21 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if he did not, Well know, if what Mom told me about reporting it's true, then he probably didn't because if they were locking people up and putting putting them in you.

28:35 Speaker 2: Know, well.

28:37 Speaker 4: He went missing, you know, what what if he did?

28:41 Speaker 2: What if?

28:42 Speaker 4: What if the reporting?

28:43 Speaker 2: I mean, we all know, or at least in the community, we all know. I've had Rick Dody on the show Uh. Jake Barber talks about it in his testimony that they're infiltrating these UFO organizations and red teaming them. They're basically or if anyone has that's how they got, you know, to get the information and to get to jump on these people and then silence them. I mean Mac Brazil after the Roswell crash, you know, after he's went missing for fourteen days, he came back well, wouldn't speak about the event, had a brand new truck.

29:17 Speaker 2: So you know, on the on the surface, it seemed like he was bought bought off and maybe you know, had to go through a little torture to get there. But something happens to people that see things in the sky. And there's someone that you know that is still missing to this day.

29:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what's so surprising. Usually if there's a missing person, you can find it somewhere online, you know, usually you know, you can find their name somewhere, but a memorial or right, he is nowhere, Like no state websites, no Georgia state websites or anything listed is missing. I've calmed all of them to find some information. You know, if they've looked into it, what they think and he's not even listed as missing anywhere. Well that's odd.

30:10 Speaker 2: If by some miracle, one of the persons in that family comes across this interview, please reach out, let us know if something, if something happened, or if something, if that we can clear this mystery up or or or at least try to get to the bottom of it, because I think, I think that's crazy. I mean, that's crazy, and I you know, I don't want to jump the gun here, but I'm going to because this episode will come out after the episode debuts tomorrow. I know, I'm speaking in weird podcast language for anybody who's listening or watching.

30:53 Speaker 2: I just did an interview with a NASA whistleblower and he claims to have seen a piece of footage. And I mean, so he was showed closed caption footage at Cape Canaveral. Mind you, he was the NASA Chief of Medicine, and he saw an undisclosed hangar either live or pre recorded CCTV of a UFO, a disc shaped craft and it had the US Air Force emblem on it, but it also had the testing there's these bars that they put on test craft so that you know, either for radar return I don't know if you've ever seen this kind of thing, but they're like these vertical bars.

31:36 Speaker 2: And they put him at three six and nine usually three six or twelve three six. No, no, no, I'm sorry. You know what I mean though, right two three, and it had all the markings of a test flight. But the craft was clearly not usual. It was not a like a It was not something that was uh, let's say, in the public arsenal. And you know, is it your belief that what you saw was piloted by humans, but maybe maybe maybe the technology came from not of this earth.

32:20 Speaker 3: What I saw it just looked otherworldly. It didn't look like anything that I've seen since then, and I've seen a lot of you know, jet planes, helicopters. My room when I was in the Marine Corps was right outside of a helicopter pad, and it was it was nothing like I'd ever seen before. It was it was so shocking that I, you know, can't I can't forget, you know, that it was just such a brilliant light that it appeared to be a you know, yeah, I mean it was. It just was not not something I could describe other than it just looked like a glow from a fire right, So I couldn't only imagine what my mother saw because either the thing was getting ready to take off where it just landed.

33:28 Speaker 3: I have a theory that maybe it just landed.

33:32 Speaker 4: That's why the landing gear was still out.

33:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, because my mother said she saw it when it wasn't lit up, and she drew it. She drew like landing gear had like three legs, and then I had it somewhere. There was a Chinese person that came to our house and she said she was doing a documentary and she stayed around for about three days and interviewed us, me and my mother. She said she was a film student from Nyu. She was a senior there, and she said that she was about to graduate. And because we started, we started having like these strange indentations in our yard, like by my fence in the backyard, there were these five foot across semi circular indentations that something sat down in the vegetation and killed everything underneath, and it bent my fence and whatever it was, it scorched the side of the tree in my backyard.

34:44 Speaker 3: And she had contacted me through Reddit and she came here for about three days and she told me that she would let us see the documentary after she finished it. She interviewed me and my mother and she ended up leaving. And I haven't heard from her since. M oh, I can't hear you. I'm not hearing anything.

35:12 Speaker 2: Did she so she took Do you think she took that drawing?

35:16 Speaker 3: Yes, she took it.

35:18 Speaker 2: And you have not heard for how long has it been?

35:21 Speaker 3: It's been last not this November, but last November, Mike,

35:31 Speaker 3: there's no Yeah. I picked her up from the airport in Huntsville. I live about seventy miles from Huntsville, Alabama, and you know they're about to put space command.

35:42 Speaker 2: Here right right.

35:44 Speaker 3: And that was odd because she was talking to me every day before she came. And I still have her name through Reddit and her she her name was Yuki. That's the name she gave me. And you know, I had her phone number and I've tried to call her and nobody will pick up or anything. So I've yet to see this documentary. She did, honus, she left.

36:13 Speaker 2: And the plot, the plot thickens. Wow wow, okay, okay, okay. So now without having said picture, I mean, I can, I can. We could work with that, We could work with that. So, I okay, you've said, you've said before that disclosure.

36:33 Speaker 4: Is happening, but not from.

36:35 Speaker 2: Where we expect. What do you what do you mean by that?

36:39 Speaker 5: Uh?

36:39 Speaker 4: And who is who do you think is leading it behind the scenes?

36:44 Speaker 3: Well, from what I'm seeing my own observation, it looks like the government has a narrative that they're putting out to the public, and whoever gets in the way with the storylined mine for example, you know, they just squish it and go on because they're wanting to tell people in their own way. Like Chris Mellan, he'll come out and say that we have ways to detect these objects when they come in the atmosphere, and that we have radar that can detect objects twenty two thousand nautical miles into space the size of a grapefruit.

37:23 Speaker 3: And I knew he was talking about Egglund, particularly Site C six, And he won't come out and say it, he won't mention the place by name, but I know that's what he's talking about.

37:37 Speaker 4: How do you know that?

37:39 Speaker 3: Because the way he described it was the exact capabilities that Site C six has. And you can actually google Site C six. But what they won't tell you is that they observe UFOs and you apeas there. How I found out about it, and you know, it wasn't just a hunch. I talked to a guy who was a radar technician at the site in the eighties. He worked there from nineteen eighty one to eighty four. And the only social media I usually do is read it because I like to read, and I try to stay away from other social media like X. I do have an X account, but I don't hardly use it, and I watch YouTube videos occasionally.

38:26 Speaker 3: But I wanted to know more about Site C six after I saw the place and what I read on the wall, just got a real uneasy feeling. I mean, I was a military policeman for ten years, so you know, I just got this feeling that, you know, something else was going on at the place. So there's a subreddit titled machine porn, and that's where I found the name of the place. It's Site C six, and there was a guy on there who had worked there. So I asked him if he would talk to me about the place. He said, well, if you're you're former military, he said, I'll speak with you about it.

39:11 Speaker 3: So we got into a chat and I sent you the chat logs. Did you get those? I did, Yeah, you should read over them. But he told me in the chats that he tracked UFOs when he was there, and he had friends that worked there after he left, and they tracked him during the golf Breeze sidings. If you've ever heard of the golf Breeze sidings, I have, Okay, they he had friends, and he the things he told me, like he had friends that died while they were working there, and that one of his friends they told him that his friend committed suicide and there was nobody like he I guess was planning on going to the funeral and there was nobody.

40:04 Speaker 3: And he mentioned the guy's name. It's in the chat transcripts that I sent you. He told me the guy's name, and uh, you know, he was really honest with me. I've tried to get him to talk with me more about it because I just knew, after you know, being at the place, that you know, my hunch about the place was right, and after you know, they told us that things crash in the water there. I think they told us that kind of like a disclaimer. If we were out there patrolling and let's say a crash or something like that, you know, crashed in the water there, they wouldn't have to say, well, we didn't tell you about it, you know.

40:49 Speaker 2: So it's almost like they were front loading you with information so that if it ever did happen, your brain would process it what they told you instead of what it might actually be.

41:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've you know, had some strange things happened here, like these guys showed up one day. My son, he was working at Walmart, and he got ready to leave one day and he had a flat tire. And it's about six miles from here, so I left to go help him with his flat tire, and my fiance she was on her way back here. As soon as she pulled into the garage, these two guys pulled up in a big, black, shiny suv. She said, it was just in pristine conditions. She said, it was just the shiniest suv she had ever seen.

41:48 Speaker 3: And they got out and they came up to her before she even got out of the car, and they said that they wanted to check the roof for storm damage because there had been a lot of storm damage in the area on roofs in the area. And she said, no, ours is fine, which we had just had a replacement for our roof about ten years ago, and at the time we were under drought conditions. We had not had rain in over a month, and we actually had a no burn ordinance at the time. So she said the guy was like real persistent, you know, telling her that, you know, they needed to get up on the roof, and she, you know, my fiance, she's bullheaded.

42:31 Speaker 3: She just told him no, you know. So they finally left, she said, they left just a few minutes before I pulled up and we called the police. We made a police report before that, you know, Like I said, I was a sl teacher for six years. We would come home and around the house, our back sliding glass door would be open just just enough to show us that the door was open. We have curtains back there, and the curtains would be you know, flying in the wind, and we always make sure we lock the doors when we go somewhere in the middle of the wintertime, I'm in this room here teaching online, and I start feeling like this cold breeze on the back of my neck, and I'm looking around to see where it's coming from, and I look behind the shades and the windows up in about six inches.

43:29 Speaker 3: Now that window can only be opened from the inside. You have to take the screen off from the outside, and you still couldn't open it. You'd have to do it from the inside, and the screen wasn't off the window, and you'd have to take a ladder to do it from the outside. So little things like that were happening. I mean, it got really bizarre around here and crazy for a while. So, you know, I just let a lot of things go for a while because it was just so much stuff that, you know, you would think you were going crazy by some of the things that we were seeing.

44:10 Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was going to say, is do you think that I mean that we can only believe in coincidence so much and all these things start to happen, And arguably someone you know, like a skeptic, might say, well, you're looking for it and you're seeing patterns where there might not be any. But I challenged that by saying, for the same reason, we need to take this seriously because you're observing these events happening and you're drawing correlation. Yes, maybe, but they're still happening.

44:47 Speaker 2: These these events are still happening. There's impressions in your yard, there's scorched trees, there's weird people visiting the house at weird times. You know, under weird circumstance. Do you think that you might have been being pressured by by by someone to maybe shut up?

45:06 Speaker 3: Well, there were a few instances on Reddit where somebody in a roundabout way threatened me about talking about the site, you know, mentioning that there was a skiff inside of it, and well, I'm trying to remember the exact words. They said, Uh, this could lead to a national security issue, and I said, well, you can google the site. Uh, what they don't tell you is that they monitor UFO's there, and I started. One day, I was looking for an old interview that I did for the local news channel, and my name popped up beside this guy.

45:56 Speaker 3: His name was Paul.

45:57 Speaker 2: Colin was the yes, yeah, you said this to me.

46:01 Speaker 3: And I'm like, who is this guy had my name and his name When I did the Google search and it was on LinkedIn and this guy was doing some kind of background check on me, and I read on that he was claiming to be an ex CIA guy, and I found an interview supposedly that he did on YouTube, and he was claiming to be this Mafia hit man, or not Mafia but a CIA hit man. And it was a like a telephone interview that he did with some lady. It's an old interview, so I don't know the guy's real identity. That's just the picture he uses.

46:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have it up right now. And he blocked you.

46:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, I asked him. I tried to reach out to him on X and I told him, I said, if you have any questions, I'll be more than glad to answer any questions you have for me. And he blocked me.

47:02 Speaker 2: Yeah. And and he's but in this other post, in this other post, he's talking about your I mean as all your stuff listed right. Yeah, it's so weird. Yeah, that's very so okay, all right, And and I want to talk about the skiff at at Eglin. Was there any you know, I don't know how to phrase this maybe in a in the the way I want to, But you know you've been You've mentioned being involved in or adjacent to class classified briefings UH involving U A p uh. Were there moments, you know where what you saw didn't align with human tech explanations or I mean, how did this happen?

47:49 Speaker 3: Well, well, well, my clearance was just a sacred security clearance. I didn't have like a top secret or anything like that. Right, most of my information and I came. You know, we're just the things that we were told. And I've always been the type of person, you know, to try to look a little bit deeper if you know, I think that there's something else there. It's kind of like when I was an MP one time they sent me to this house and after I left the c I d guys asked me what did I see there? And there was a woman there and a guy happened to be there that wasn't her husband, And I asked the idea.

48:39 Speaker 3: I was like, so, let me guess you are investigating her for adultery, right, And it's like, yeah, so that's that's the type of things you know, you pick up on if they're telling you, you know, things, sometimes there's a little bit more to the story. And I often wondered when we got to Eglin, while they told us about stuff crashing in the water. Right, You've got a lot of these whistleblowers coming out trying to say that we have ways to bring the craft down through soonics and stuff like that. Now, I don't know how true that is.

49:20 Speaker 3: I don't even know if I believe that or not. But I've heard that there's e MP weapons that can do things like that.

49:31 Speaker 2: Well have you have you heard of a gentleman named Eric Hacker?

49:37 Speaker 3: No?

49:38 Speaker 2: Well, Eric said, Now, Eric worked for Raytheon and he was scheduled, scheduled, I'm sorry. He was at the base in Antarctica and says that one of the machines there, the Nuccino machine, that the Neutrino system, it's not just active, I mean, it's not just a passive data collection tool, but it's also an active directed energy weapon. And you know, he says, he says this, and and you know, it aligns with a lot of other stuff that we've heard, you know, talking about these very things, these electromagnetic ways of maybe interfering with the craft's guidance systems or you know, especially if they're if they're consciousness mas, if you can interrupt the stream of consciousness, I mean, that could be a really good way to bring these things down, if that's what is truly happening.

50:40 Speaker 2: And again, I'm with you, I don't I don't know if I believe in all this, you know, psychic like you know, that's the biggest thing right now in the community is the psionics and uh meditation. We talk about guys that Chris Bledsoe, but there has been a long track record of you know, in the nineteen fifties when they talked about the g engines and how they were coming. I mean, scientists were openly saying we're about to crack gravity. And then you know, by nineteen fifty five, there was no talk of it at all.

51:16 Speaker 4: Right Tee towns in Brown and you know, all these.

51:21 Speaker 2: Creators, inventors that all of a sudden just go dark.

51:26 Speaker 3: And if you think that they have the ability to track them from Eggland, it would make sense to me if they had that sort of weapon, that they would put it there, because if they can track objects, you know, from Egglin, it would make sense to me that they would put a weapon there that could bring one down. Because that system stretches from Egglin all the way out to the Pacific Ocean to I forget what island it's out out there, but it's part of a radar system that stretches all the way out to the Pacific.

52:07 Speaker 3: And like I said, they track objects up to twenty two thousand miles away the size of a grapefruit. And they can do it with thousands of objects at one time.

52:19 Speaker 2: Oh my god.

52:21 Speaker 3: And so if an object's intelligently controlled, that's why you know, they don't want people to know that. If they can track those objects, they've definitely got clear pictures of them. See, that's why they don't want to eggland. And if they can do that, that means they can tell you where they go when they get here, where they come from. And that's what a lot of people don't understand about my story is that if you know that information, you can know where they're going.

52:55 Speaker 2: And going into the ocean.

52:57 Speaker 3: Ocean, that's right, and are out there right there by the ocean.

53:03 Speaker 2: And this is a huge detail because obviously two thirds of our planet is ocean. And if you wanted to hide in plain sight and something that was universal, right, not like our atmosphere, which can vary right depending on where we are in the Solar System. So those could be considered variables in space travel. But underwater is going to be underwater no matter where you are. So that's where I was hiding. I mean, in the perfect place.

53:39 Speaker 3: You're the only one that really understands why that's important other than I did this interview on what you call Let's get Haunted. It's not even about UAPs. And this lady that interviewed me totally understood what I was trying to say and understood the importance of what I had to say. And I'm like, out of all these UAP people I've talked to, this woman that doesn't even do UAP podcast understood what I was trying to say and what the the implications of that is. And it's you know, like Ross. All Ross wanted to know when I talked with him, was did you see a UFO on exit?

54:26 Speaker 3: And I said, you know, I can remember on two nights they made us go inside. Actually one time was during the day where they made us clear the area and we didn't have a curfew there. They just told us one night we were playing cards outside and they'd set everybody in. Now, you know, no explanation or anything. Something was flying around. They didn't want us to see there that night, you know. But I don't want to lie to him and tell him I saw a UFO, But some people are willing to lie and say things like and I just you know, it didn't happen.

55:03 Speaker 3: You know, it didn't. I didn't see anything there like that.

55:07 Speaker 2: But but in hindsight, what you're saying is, this is not something that happens often. So there was something that that we were not cleared to see, right, and we were ushered in.

55:23 Speaker 4: This is not something that normally happened.

55:25 Speaker 2: So I mean, you're you're kind of just giving us the equation and saying, you know, I didn't see anything, but it was weird that they told us to go in. We didn't have a car, few you know, we do have clearances. So if it was something like you know, if it was if it was something you know, uh not not like I don't want to say, if it was something like stealth or or that you guys weren't clear to see that. But it just doesn't sound right that they would usher you every single person off the deck, off the off the floor so nobody could see what might be out there.

55:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, we were staying a little once at hunts out there. They were trying to get us acclimated to the heat because we were getting ready to go overseas again. And yeah, that was odd to me. Because they never gave us a reason why they wanted us, you know, in and said one day one day. Yeah, the other time was during the daytime. Now, the daytime, I believe they were doing some kind of bombing run or something that they wanted to make sure nobody was in the area. Because the first day when we got there, we were convoying into the area we were going to be staying in, and I think they had just did some kind of bomb run and it scars all the wildlife, and a bear came out of the woods and just rammed one of our up armored humvees and bounced.

56:54 Speaker 3: God up armored humvees. The door is weighed like five hundred pounds, so this bear took a leaking and kept on ticking. I mean he.

57:05 Speaker 2: Signed for the NFL.

57:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't even know they had bears down there. That was the first time I'd ever heard anything like that.

57:15 Speaker 2: And uh, that's so funny.

57:18 Speaker 3: I think what was happening the first time they had us clear the areas. Maybe it was some kind of bomb test and they were doing that day. But the n one is the one that really made me wonder what it was.

57:33 Speaker 2: Let's get into it.

57:34 Speaker 3: We had one day. I was with the Air Force Security Force guy that I was riding with. One day, we were eating lunch by the runway there. They had the big hangar at the end of the runway, and I kept seeing these white jets taking off with no insignia, hotel numbers or anything. And I asked him, I said, what are these JITs here taking off? What are they? He said, oh, those are secret squirrel planes, is how we refer to him. I said, well, who's on them? He said, well, that's the CIA. You know, they come in, they have different projects that they do here and they fly out of And so that was something I had never seen before either no markings at all, no just why completely white planes.

58:25 Speaker 3: I think they were like seven thirty sevens or something. I'm not like a proficient on plane sizes, but if I had to guess, it was probably like a seven thirty seven or something.

58:37 Speaker 2: Right, right, Okay, Okay, that's kind of peculiar, But okay, that's that's interesting because I mean, obviously, you know, we can only read so much into that. But that brings me to like another story obviously, but I want to keep it on the track that we're on. So I want to ask you this genuinely. Have you ever feared for your safety because of what you've seen or what you know?

59:15 Speaker 3: Not too much, I guess, because you know, after going overseas, I mean I had to write my will out three different times. And being in the service as long as I was, I mean I served four in the Marines and six in the Army and National Guard. You know, maybe I should be maybe I should be like David Grush and see something interesting about David Grush. You know, he came forward over in Huntsville. Now you need to look into this woman. Her name was Amy Eskridge.

59:53 Speaker 2: You ever heard of her, I've heard the name.

59:57 Speaker 3: Yes, well, you remember David Grush was asked at the Congressional hearing whether or not he knew people that were killed, you know, to keep this quiet, or people that had been killed working on these these programs. Yes, well, Amy Eskridge, she supposedly committed suicide. She was working over in Huntsville, you know, on one of these I think she was a propulsion scientist. As a matter of fact, Oh my god. And I did a right up and read it about it. Maybe I'll try to send it to you, but I always thought it was odd that she supposedly committed suicide.

1:00:42 Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, David Grush comes forward in Huntsville and he testifies to the fact that he knew scientists that were killed or harmed working on these programs.

1:00:55 Speaker 2: Right, And you know, I don't want to go into respect elition here but or speculation ville. But I mean, even when we talked back about you know, the Lazarre story, part of Lazarre's story was that he was brought in very quickly to replace a propulsion scientist in areas four. And maybe that's a little bit of the reason because his predecessor something had gone wrong and they were exposed to something or you know, he didn't know, but they died. So it definitely seems that people have been harmed in these programs, and it's being you know, it's either not making it to the public at all, you know, paying off the families to do whatever, or it's you know, it's being very it's it's very quietly swept under the rug if anything.

1:01:57 Speaker 2: And then it's you know, they'll put some controlled narrative in front of you to say oh look, ooh in awe and make you kind of forget what's actually going on.

1:02:13 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're good at that, you know. And what I really hate is that I wish more military or ex military people would come out and talk, because there are people saying things right now that I know wouldn't happen, and you know, I try to keep those to myself because I know the military way of doing things, and some things would never happen the way they said they did. And a lot of times people that have never served, they won't catch those things because they just don't know how the military works, you know.

1:02:48 Speaker 3: And I wish more people would come out and talk because I guess one reason why I'm not really scared about things like that is because I'm not afraid of bad people. You know, if somebody's doing things that they shouldn't do, like, you know, hurting people to cover this up, that's wrong.

1:03:11 Speaker 2: You know.

1:03:13 Speaker 3: If they're just hurting people to cover up the fact that this stuff is real, I think that's wrong. You know. I can understand secrecy for some things, like the technology part of it. I think most people just want to see whatever these things look like, the beings or whatever, and the craft, and I think people are just going about through life. I mean, just tell them it's real, tell them what these things look like, show them the craft, and be done. You know, I think they're being really childish about, you know, hiding all this stuff from the public.

1:03:55 Speaker 3: There's just no sense in it, you know, especially now with so many whistleblowers coming out now. Like we said earlier in the show, in the nineteen forties, I could understand why you would maybe want to keep this quiet because it would be what they call an ontological shock, you know, with people back in those days finding out that, you know, there's aliens and UFOs and all this stuff, because at that time we had not even been to outer space, you know, we were still just learning to.

1:04:34 Speaker 2: Fly right right and as fars for that long.

1:04:38 Speaker 3: So but now I think people could handle it, and I wish they would because I'm tired of knowing all this stuff that I know is real because I've seen it, and I've got neighbors that don't have a clue about it that could care less. But I think when some people are going to find doubt about it and it hits them that it's real, it's going to be up to people who have dealt with it for a while too. You know, kind of calm them down from it, because I gradually, you know, came to that realization over the years after denying it, you know, for so many years thinking, you know, you know, that's not what I saw, and just trying to put it behind me.

1:05:28 Speaker 3: But when I came to grips with it, you know, I just wanted to talk about.

1:05:33 Speaker 2: It because and that's and that's the thing, Bill is, It's it's a it's a very unique topic. And you know, people have asked me many times, like, oh, what didn't disclosure kind of kill your show? I was like, no, it would only enhance it because people would people then look to people like myself as you know, maybe comforting figures that you know, can can bring them into the fold and.

1:06:07 Speaker 4: To guide them.

1:06:08 Speaker 2: You know, because listen, I've had I've had many, many, many military personnel on the show, and I've had many people on the show, experiencers, researchers, scientists, members of Congress. You know, I've been to hearings, I've been invited to hearings. You know, I've seen I saw I watched Alizondo testify. You know, this is a reality for me, And you're right when you say that you know, people do have to be careful because you know, or in our government has to be careful because you know, the non human intelligence.

1:06:46 Speaker 2: They might get sick of waiting and being so secretive, and they might think that we are ready where the government says we are. We don't know who's in control necessarily. But if there was an immediate disclosure like Craft over the White House, right, and it was sitting there, landed on the White House lawn, that's what we call chaos, an uncontrolled disclosure right in the sense that it happens instantaneously to everyone all at once, and that can be a psychologic psychological variable where you do not know how society will react.

1:07:24 Speaker 2: Now, on the other hand, what we seem to be getting is a slow drip controlled disclosure by people who have gone through Dobbser the DoD pre publication and been given these talking points essentially that they can talk and speak on, and we are Do you think that we're Do you think that we're in a controlled disclosure?

1:07:50 Speaker 3: Yeah? I do, because there it seems to me like the media is there one by just a few groups of people or a few people that have come out and talked about this and they're the ones that they follow, and any any person that you know, tries to say something else, you know, they just kind of push them aside. And you know, they they listen to the ones who they think are telling them the truth. And who knows, I mean the media being on it too with them, I.

1:08:26 Speaker 2: Just well we know we I mean Bill, we Bill, we know that. Guys like or let's let's let's talk about Air Force intelligence. Air Force intelligence is there. They've been widely i mean inside the intelligence community. They act as if they are outside of it. Right, They don't play ball with the other intelligence agencies.

1:08:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been people for years and they don't care a lot, right.

1:08:57 Speaker 2: And os I has been and embedding and paying for news to either be i mean scrapped before it will ever see the light of day. And they pay them well. They pay them well. According to sources like Richard Dody. That's how you keep these people happy. There's these quid pro quos between the CIA and intelligence communities and the news outlets like listen, and they just have to slap a national security order on it or like this will hurt national security, and the outlet will run it because they want to keep their access, so to speak, with the government.

1:09:37 Speaker 2: So it's this, it's this self perpetuating secretive compartmental is compartmentalized machine where everybody's trying to, you know, keep themselves in the lifestyle they are used to. So anyone like you who goes against the grain doesn't go get seek approval from dobbsare to come out and talk about what he's talking about, you're seen as a potential threat to national security. Yeah.

1:10:05 Speaker 3: I talked to Richard Dowdy actually about my experience on egg Lennon. He said, I don't know anything about it.

1:10:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, but well, what I like about Richard is he's either the best liar in the in the world or he's telling the truth. Yeah, it's it's one or the other. Because the guy is upfront and honest at least now about every you know. I think he goes a little bit too far on some of the stuff, but he's very like if he doesn't know something about something, he'll say, I don't I don't know. I wasn't there. But you know, he's someone I I I generally can get a good read on folk. I cannot read that guy for the life of me, because like.

1:10:54 Speaker 3: And that's the way he wants it. I mean, that's his job, that was his job anyway, and know he's trained to do that. I've spoke to Linda multen Howe to tell her about it, and I spoke to all and they all tell me, you know that my story wasn't that significant.

1:11:15 Speaker 2: So here's here's what.

1:11:18 Speaker 4: Here's where I want to deviate.

1:11:22 Speaker 2: I respect Ross for what he has tried and is doing for the community and the sense of legit, you know, bringing some legitimacy to it, you know, in the news world, because I mean he.

1:11:37 Speaker 4: Is award winning journalist.

1:11:39 Speaker 2: Linda moulten Howe also an award winning journalist.

1:11:42 Speaker 4: I've had Linda on the show.

1:11:43 Speaker 2: She you know, she uh, you tried. I give them the respect that they've earned. But I also think that some of these people in the UFO world, they are they like, either unwittingly or subliminally become gatekeepers whether they whether they know it or not, they end up getting to this point in the community where they're on the cutting edge or the lot the cutting edge, if you will, like the David Grush stuff in Ross Coltart, seems every whistleblower, in order to be legitimate. You have to do a News Nation interview with Ross Coultart, and you know you did, but you came away with it obviously a little bit really different than David Grush.

1:12:35 Speaker 4: How does your story?

1:12:37 Speaker 2: I find your story to be amazing and fills in a lot of gaps and tells me who you are as a person and what you can provide to the community and what you can't provide. You seem like a very genuine, honest person. So for Ross to say that it disheartens me.

1:12:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, he told me at the end of the interview. He didn't that I saw a thing. It's like, okay, you know, but he was. The whole interview was rushed. I was nervous, and you know, I was used. I had at that point done to maybe two podcasts, and you know, I thought it was going to be that kind of format when No, when I got in there, it was more like an inquisition.

1:13:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a deposition, is what it is.

1:13:30 Speaker 3: And it's hard for me to talk about this stuff. It's not easy because it's something very personal to me, and it's hard enough to talk about this subject, especially for people who don't believe in it anyway. And I've never, you know, tried to collect money off of what I've said. I've never tried to sell a book. You know, I couldn't make money if I wanted to because I'm a disabled VET and you certain VA type things as far as disability goes, you cannot make money over a certain amount.

1:14:11 Speaker 2: Right And for anyone who want wants to know, he didn't ask me for money to do an interview. Actually the you know, probably the opposite, you know, Uh, I think what we what we lack in this community is

1:14:30 Speaker 2: is something that we've only gained in the last few years, and that is this. It seems like there's honestly like a wealth of riches in the terms of UH witnesses and high, highly credible individuals saying things so much so that people are willing to literally push your story to the side given you know, given your credentials. You sent me your DD two fourteen all that stuff. I mean, you send me every you send me everything you think you needed to for me to be comfortable with what you said. And we've lost something in the last few years, and that's listening to people.

1:15:08 Speaker 2: I mean, we'll put someone in jail for their whole life on witness testimony, and here we are in this community where we're really reliant on people's testimony, and then when we hear what we decide that your story's not as good as David Grushes. So we're just going to focus on that. It's all makes sense.

1:15:30 Speaker 3: You know, and you know, in my own opinion, I mean, I know, David Grousher's story is a lot better than mine.

1:15:37 Speaker 2: It's sexier.

1:15:39 Speaker 3: But you know, David Grush is actually the only guy that I trust at this point that's came out. I believe he's the only one that's to me, been really authentic and cares about getting to the truth instead of you know, you know people that in my opinion, if you're going to tell people the truth, that shouldn't cost anything. You know, if you're really trying to help mankind of what you're doing, you should not be, you know, trying to charge people for that. And that's just my own personal belief.

1:16:17 Speaker 2: So so let me ask you this. Let's pushing pushing the the I don't know, the narrative stuff away. I want to now that we've gotten a lot of your experiences out in the open, I want to talk about and we're going to get to some speculation of course here, and that's just naturally how it goes. But what what do you think our visitors? I mean, I don't want to ask you what you think they want, but given your your your record in your your service, does this seem like a science endeavor? Does this seem like some sort of like given all the stories, what do you think is going on?

1:17:00 Speaker 2: Well?

1:17:00 Speaker 3: I think some of these, whatever they are, are good and some of them are bad. Because we've heard a lot of stories about things that have been done to people, you know, I've become a real big student of different UFO incidents and things like that, you know, and there's been cases where people were dropped off. I think one I read about was out in England. This guy he was missing and when they found him, they found him on a pile of cotton or fruit or something. His pants were on backwards, his shirt was on backwards.

1:17:51 Speaker 3: I think his underwear didn't even belong to him. It was really strange stuff. And I just think that just like people, there's good people, bad people, you know. I think it could be the case with these things. There could be good ones and bad ones. Because at this point, if you believe that we're not the only species in the universe. You've got to believe that there's other things out there, and not all of them have our best interests in mind. And you know, I understand the government and the military wants to protect it the citizens, and they're not going to tell you that they can't protect you.

1:18:36 Speaker 3: I mean, I fought the VA for years.

1:18:40 Speaker 2: You know, found and I think you were talking about Zigmund, right, Zigmundsky.

1:18:47 Speaker 3: That sounds Are you talking about the guy in England?

1:18:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, he woke up twenty miles like away and on a cold Yeah. Yeah, his pants backwards. Yeah that that was in Where was that that.

1:19:01 Speaker 3: Was in maybe the seventies or something or eighties?

1:19:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it was. And so Sigmund's body was lying on top of a pile of coal. He was wearing a suit, but his shirt, watch, and wallet all that were missing. On the back of his head, neck and shoulders were mysterious burns. Part of his clothes were backwards. I think that's the case.

1:19:25 Speaker 3: And you know, I have a theory as to why these things keep their distance. You know, we know about the Virginia incident and absolutely and we know that the policemen that grabbed the thing called a disease and died.

1:19:39 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, Marco Cheriz, I have.

1:19:41 Speaker 3: A theory that one of the reasons they keep their distance is because they know that they could hurt us.

1:19:48 Speaker 2: Well, here's here's a here's a crazy thing. Because now I want to talk about some patterns here. We look at the Virginia alien, we look at the archetypal alien, and then in Virginia the case specifically, there was this really really poignant and pungent smell of ammonia. And we talk about these craft being underwater, going underwater a lot. I know the researchers on Virginia, the current researchers like Marc o Leal, and they have a theory that these were amphibious beings and that they lived underwater and that's why when they were above water they stayed out of the sun.

1:20:33 Speaker 4: They were giving off this smell.

1:20:36 Speaker 2: You know, they were out of their element, if you will, and they were you know, it was a defense mechanism of their body. And I mean, we talk about, you know, how these things might have bases in our oceans, and that's where they're coming and going from. And then, like you said in Virginia that case where maybe they are keeping their distance because there is some byproduct that you know, we can we could you know, we get we get too close and we catch something that we some space disease, you know.

1:21:07 Speaker 3: I'll tell you a good example of that. There was a general down there who was tasked with investigating UFOs down in South America. I think he since passed away, but he investigated like thousands of cases down there, and someone asked him, They said, well, what do you think why do they stay away? And he said, it would be like if my military group went into the jungle and we met a primitive trial out there that wasn't vaccinated for some kind of disease we carried, we could kill the whole.

1:21:50 Speaker 2: Village, and we have in the past. This is something that is this is something that has actually happened in history, and that is a very very good it's a very good point because and I mean, in many ways we can look at these I mean, because then there's the other side, Right, there's the cargo cult. Right. They this primitive tribe sees World War two planes and soldiers and all the technology that they have, and they end up worshiping them because when they come and they fly in from the heavens, they deliver food.

1:22:26 Speaker 2: Right, So then these cargo cults form where they're you know, carving what looks like planes out of you know, like branches, intead of making figurines of planes, you know, worshiping them because they're chariots of the gods for you know, to these these tribes. And I mean we look at this from all these different angles, right the Amazon, like you talked about that, there was the tribe in the Amazon that ended up getting they all died out of disease. Christopher Columbus. Uh, there's the the stories of them coming here and getting bringing smallpox or whatever it was.

1:23:06 Speaker 2: But these are all these are all things have been warranted when an advanced culture meets a primitive culture, right, And so put that in a larger bucket. And we have the relationship with the others.

1:23:24 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you something else. If you watched what they were saying the other day when you had Louel Zonda, there a'b lowe. Doctor Eric Davis, he's another one of the guys I paid close attention to.

1:23:38 Speaker 2: Well, Obvi is a friend of mine.

1:23:40 Speaker 3: And doctor Davis started talking about these different kinds of extraterrestrials all of a sudden, because he's he he's got this way about when he has interviews of saying things that just make your ears stick straight up. But because if you.

1:24:02 Speaker 4: Were rather loud or salad.

1:24:04 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, if you if you're going to stick somebody on UFO research, he would be a guy that would be on something like that. Anyway. He talked about the different races of these things, you know, he talked about Nordic's and he talked about these things. They didn't they weren't Reptilian, they were Reptiian, like I think, is what he said.

1:24:30 Speaker 2: Ah.

1:24:31 Speaker 3: I saw that, and I thought, yeah, you know, they probably know that there's good ones and bad ones out there, you know, if he's saying this stuff. Because I've often thought that all these different races that they've talked about could be just you know, something that that people were just assuming or just you know, made up or something you know. But he pretty much came out and started talking about different races of these things, and I thought, then they probably have some that are having our best interest in mind, and others that maybe you are not.

1:25:12 Speaker 2: So friendly, right, And I think also there is a there is a difference when it comes to being indifferent and being hostile, because I do think that obviously, you know, being indifferent or just not caring about what happens to a civilization doesn't necessarily mean you're hostile to it. It's just that you don't take it into consideration when you make decisions. And of course that could look hostile to us as observers, when it is in fact not so. I think, like you said, just with like humans and any advanced being, there's gonna be good, there's gonna be evil, and there's gonna be people that are in between or things that are in between.

1:26:03 Speaker 2: And I think we're probably dealing with a lot of all that. And it sounds like you think that the government knows that there's at least multiple multiple species out there, and we've had some form of communication or another with at least one to know about the others.

1:26:21 Speaker 3: And you have to take into consideration all the testimony of witnesses over the years that describe different kind of beings. I mean, there's a lot of similarities, a lot of you know, differences there, and you know a lot of these people, like I was watching one the other day I think it was from nineteen sixty six where this man and his whole family and the police department saw UFO and everybody around the town was coming to his house and like throwing beer bottles at his car, and he just said that, you know, if it happened again, if it landed right here in my front yard, I wouldn't report it, you know, because there was an active disinformation campaign back in those days, you know, from things like Project Bluebook that anybody that came forward, they discredited them, just like in Georgia, what happened to people around where I lived.

1:27:21 Speaker 3: If they, you know, came forward and said anything about it, they were disappearing or you know, putting a mental institution somewhere. And hey, I could tell it terrified my mother. It terrified her just knowing that I remembered it.

1:27:38 Speaker 2: That's a really interesting detail too, because your mother, you know, she probably lived with this memory, and you both lived with this memory, and she probably didn't think you remembered it because you're so young, and just didn't bring it up because she was trying to shelter you from it because maybe it was you know, as an adult, she was hearing things from the other people that you weren't obviously as a child, right, Adults have these conversations off to the side and we never remember them as kids.

1:28:11 Speaker 2: But your mom was probably hearing from other people that, hey, you know, if you saw that thing the other night, don't say anything, because you know Bill or John down the road, you know, he said something and he kind of just you know, ended up in a facility.

1:28:26 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, back in those days, that's how a lot of things were handled. You just did.

1:28:30 Speaker 2: The white van pulled up and they jumped out.

1:28:32 Speaker 3: And gotcha, you know, just like you know military guys with the PTSD, you know, you know, after Vietnam and World War two and things. You know, they didn't talk about it. They just had to put it behind him. And later on it was diagnosed as PTSD.

1:28:50 Speaker 2: Yes, And so with all that being said, I mean, how much do you do you ever.

1:29:01 Speaker 4: Fear that the military or.

1:29:05 Speaker 2: So whoever's whoever's keeping these the ultimate secret I'm sure there's a lot of moving parts to it. But whoever's up there, whoever the secret keepers are, if we want to call them the cabal, or if you want to call them the deep State, call them whatever you want. Whoever's playing everyone else's strings. I mean, what do we do, what do we do as citizens to demand it, to demand the next level to organize in a fashion that's not obviously like militia. But how do we get if we're working against something like this, this machine?

1:29:47 Speaker 2: I mean, are we ever gonna do you think we'll ever get the truth?

1:29:51 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think a lot of the walls are coming down with this because you have so many credible whistleblower is coming out now. Light grush yourself. I think it hurts the community when people ask for money. I do. I just think that, yeah, when you know that. And something else that I've noticed about people who were really pushing you know, disclosure back in the early two thousands. They did great work in the beginning, and then it was like the further down the rabbit hole they got, the more crazier that they became.

1:30:35 Speaker 3: And that is one thing that I've seen with a couple of people that were really big in the UFO community, and it's just like it just turned them upside down over the years. And I think you have to, you know, keep an open mind about a lot of this because the more information you get, your your mind's going to change. About it, and I think that you have to weigh the evidence to say, well, this makes sense, this doesn't make sense, and go from there, you know, regardless if you've been in the military or not.

1:31:13 Speaker 3: You know, sometimes if something doesn't make sense, then it probably isn't true, right. And I think with more people, credible people coming out like that who aren't trying to charge people money or anything like that, and they're just they're just trying to, you know, tell you what they know. I think that eventually that all this will come out because I believe that the technology is the main reason it's covered up.

1:31:48 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:31:49 Speaker 3: Absolutelyney money just makes people do crazy things.

1:31:54 Speaker 2: Greed is greed is a you know, greed is a greed is a son of a bitch, I'll say, yeah.

1:32:00 Speaker 3: And I think most people just want to say, hey, let me see the UFOs, let me see the beings or whatever. And you know, it would be better for them if they came out and admitted to it. That way, you could get people yea qualified to work on it and maybe you know, understand the technology better. If you would be more hoping and get people to work on these programs, that could help the progress of it alone.

1:32:31 Speaker 2: Right, And that's that's a huge I mean, you just hit on so many of the problems with so many things, and there's lots unpacked there for people. But essentially what you're saying is, you know what we're doing now is the there's these obviously these stove. The stove piping of information has got to such a degree that that you don't have the right people working on it. You only have the cleared people working on it, and those aren't always the same person. The person that's most most suited for the job isn't always going to be the one that's a narcissist and will go along with the cover up.

1:33:15 Speaker 2: So then they got to go to two, three, four, maybe the seventh qualified person, the first person that will keep the secret right and not not trying to open source it. And what you have is you have a lot of people who seem to start, like you said, in good places, good places. They want the best, but somewhere along the line they realize that they're either just you know, they they park their car at money making avenue and they never stop, or they get rich, get out and you'll never hear from again.

1:33:51 Speaker 2: Sell a book, sell few books.

1:33:53 Speaker 3: Now something else that people out to consider this is what if we know that some kind of trees like China or Russia are ahead of us in developing these technologies of they probably they have, and that might be a reason why they're telling us, because the only way they're going to get caught up with China and Russia is if they enlist people that knows what they're doing to help the projects alone, or we can get up to speed with them and match them. That might be a reason why you know that they're being a little bit more open now.

1:34:33 Speaker 2: And you know you said something, you said something earlier, and I don't know why it won't come to me now, but I just I just had it. You said something earlier that really resonated with me, and I'm I'm gonna have to ah, man, I'm having one of those brain fog moments. I just had it on the tip of my tongue. But I'll go I'll get back to that because I want to talk about what you're What you're saying is, you know, we're almost in this like cold war with other countries and other nations to reverse engineer this stuff to be you know, ahead of the curve, and right now where being opened up to the information.

1:35:19 Speaker 2: Obviously, the world is more connected than it's ever been. People are starting to question more. A lot of people are coming out and saying that there are these things, you know that exists that are of non human origin. So the story is kind of everything is coming to a head, and it's interesting to see who comes out of the woodwork, right, because there's guys like you, and then there's guys like Jay Stratton or Elizondo or Jake Barber David Grush. I mean, you've got all these types of personalities and all this credential behind it.

1:35:56 Speaker 2: Yet nobody's nobody's burning down the White House fence to get in and get the UFO files. Right, everyone's got their head on straight. Still, the bills still need to get paid, they still need to go to work. Nothing's collapsed yet, right, And eventually so at Eglin, at other Air Force bases around the world, military members have seen things of pretty pretty high importance, and you know it's it's there's this pressure on the government to come come clean, but there's also an incentive. However, However, we talk about the secrecy, the secrecy being the technology, but what if, what if?

1:36:48 Speaker 4: What if it's a weird situation.

1:36:50 Speaker 2: Where those are the aliens are somehow responsible for us being here right, where some genetic erment right or advanced like they advanced the DNA. Uh And and you know there are creators. What if it's that type of information that's being secret, that's the big secret? Right? Are we ready to be face to face with our creator?

1:37:18 Speaker 4: Literally?

1:37:20 Speaker 3: Well if I've always thought that the word revelations in the Bible was a real interesting word, especially nowadays.

1:37:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I okay, so yes, now now I so the angle I'm going on as obviously you know, one that's been talked about many times. Right, advanced civilizations from the past tie into this. Uh you know, what if what if what we're once called gods are just now we're calling them aliens?

1:37:50 Speaker 4: Right?

1:37:51 Speaker 2: And what if that's the source for all? I mean, we know that there are people in the government, still in the military, still that think this is all angels and demons, and they don't want to fuck with it because they don't want to elicit some demonic response.

1:38:05 Speaker 3: So they have this, yeah, to just automatically assume that is really a shortcut way of thinking. But that is how our government works. There's people like that up there that you know, just think like that and we're at their mercy. You know, we we have to deal with whatever decisions they make. And what we can do as a people is put pressure on those people. And you know, pressure is something that a lot of people don't understand really works. Well, you know, I learned that in the military.

1:38:46 Speaker 5: And you.

1:38:49 Speaker 3: Have politicians that think that things are supposed to be one way, and the people get together and they say, no, you know, we don't want to do it that way. You know, you just have to look at the Vietnam War. You know what stopped that war.

1:39:04 Speaker 2: We're prote is beautiful example.

1:39:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure works.

1:39:12 Speaker 2: But do you do you think there's a chance that you know, we may be dealing with with information that's been uh, Like, you know, I always found it odd that we're species that doesn't know its own origin story. But what if it's like that by design? You know, what what if like you know, Graham Hancocks says, where a species with amnesia, all of our ancestors talk about these sky beings and these you know, these beings that came from the heavens, you know, and when we look at that, now, that just sounds like craft that came from the sky.

1:39:51 Speaker 2: That literally sounds like they're describing a UFO. Do you think that that people have been in touch with non human intelligence for as long as we've been here.

1:40:05 Speaker 3: I don't know if it goes that far back. But the only the only case that I know of were supposedly some beings made contact with our government. I think it was the one in nineteen sixty or sixty one out in thing. It was New Mexico, the base out there, Yeah, they were the craft landed and wanted to halm.

1:40:32 Speaker 2: In Air Yeah, the Holoman Air Force base landing.

1:40:35 Speaker 3: Yeah. And one of the astronauts actually said that that happened. Edgar mentioned, well, not only him, but it was the one of the original Apollo astronauts, not Gus Grissom, it was. He was one of the first, the original seven Oh wows. Yes, Gordon Cooper. Yes, him, he said that story.

1:41:07 Speaker 2: Was real, that they filmed it.

1:41:11 Speaker 3: They filmed it, and I've seen the documentary. It was titled UFO's Past Present In I saw it. It was originally narrated by Rod Serling. And at the end you do see the craft coming down and then it cuts off. But the filmmakers said that originally they were going to show the entire thing and that was going to be disclosure. Yeah, it's a very interesting documentary with other things that are in it if you watch it. Because there was the Hector.

1:41:52 Speaker 3: He was a Hispanic guy, Hector one, Uh, trying to think of his last name. He was, he was over Project blue Book. He talked about Quintinilla. I think that was his name.

1:42:07 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Edward Quintinilla.

1:42:09 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, he said that they had sent people to Canada or it may have been New York City. There was a woman claiming she was in contact with these beings and they were talking through her, and they sent CIA agents to her house to talk to these things. And if you've never seen that documentary, you should watch it because this was heavily into Project Blue Book. I think he was over the entire thing.

1:42:39 Speaker 2: Yes, Well, there's another big part of this, this Hollman story and something that you touched upon earlier. Uh, you know, pressure being an ultimate tool of the people. Because the reason now Nixon was the president at that time and Nixon in was directing that information flow is allegedly this is allegedly, of course, but it was the Nixon administration at the time that was giving the go ahead to kind of funnel this information out, and then Watergate happens, so that obviously takes a backseat, right and the CIA decides, you know that they're not going to get it, go ahead and deliver upon the footage that they promised the filmmaker and which you know, they got like that couple seconds, like you said, that was in the film.

1:43:42 Speaker 2: But there was this alleged landing, and Gordon Cooper and Nashtvenauts you know, obviously spoke of the landing. But the beings that got out were reported to look like very tall, and they dressed in like what we would look like a Native American would dress it, and.

1:44:01 Speaker 3: Believe they had some kind of head divice song.

1:44:04 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so it raises many questions, of course, right, the whole the whole thing raises so many questions, like you know, because again the Native Americans they talk about these sky people, these these you know, as the origins of of of our species. Uh so you just got to ask yourself, you know, is it possible that we've always had a relationship with this non human intelligence?

1:44:32 Speaker 3: Because I wonder how far it goes back.

1:44:36 Speaker 2: Yes, it absolutely does, because if what was the first intelligence agency, it was the church. The Church of course, I mean, And then we talked about the nineteen thirty three Magenta crash. Who's the one who hands it over the Vatican? So who's the first person, who's the first group that that covers this up. It's gotta be in religion, right. The religious leaders were the judge, jury, and executioner of the day for for a long time, only up until you know, modern modern history, modern modern history that it's not like that anymore, but for a long time.

1:45:19 Speaker 3: To the Council of Naseia, you know, they're the ones that put together what was going to be in the Bible.

1:45:25 Speaker 2: Right, and so history is being history is being very much selected. And again it brings me back to that point of.

1:45:37 Speaker 4: How do we not know our own origins?

1:45:39 Speaker 2: It seems like it's been designed to be that way, and it's very very I mean, the Tower of Babel story comes to mind.

1:45:46 Speaker 4: Right, humanity gets too close to the.

1:45:49 Speaker 2: Gods and we get struck in down, divided by language, divided by skin color, divided by nation and sovereignty and all this, all these things. Humans love to subjugate themselves and to put each other in. You know, like whatever makes us different is going to be what we kill each other over. Whether it's what we believe in or what we look like, it's always the source of our problem and when we learn to overcome that. And what I love about the UFO topic and non human intelligence is it almost brings all of humans to that equal playing field where we become earthlings, we become the human in non human intelligence, it brings us all to that level playing field.

1:46:36 Speaker 2: So you'd think that in this topic there be no discrimination, there be no division, but there is. There still is, And it's like why if humanity was working together, there's not one thing we could not accomplish, but we are, we're handicapped.

1:46:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes you wonder, you know why they choose to do a lot of things that they do if you know they're trying to protect people. I mean, I can understand people, would you know, won't answers if you The thing is when you open the box just a little bit and you say one thing, that creates more questions and they're trying to get away from that.

1:47:25 Speaker 2: Right right, because there's this social and this is what you touched upon earlier, that that I was I wanted to get to. Thank god it came back to me because it was. But there's this social contract between a you know, a nation, it's people and it's government and you know the government military aspect. You keep us safe and we'll pay our taxes. Right there, it is, you keep us safe from everything that goes bump in the night, right, all the bullshit, and we'll we'll state stivil and obedient. And when that social contract is challenged, say, by wait, you're telling me that some alien species could pick me up at any time they wanted.

1:48:13 Speaker 2: There's nothing but a goddamn thing you could do about it. That when that question comes, it's going to be a hard one to answer.

1:48:23 Speaker 3: See, that's one I think that they don't want to answer because they know it's true, I believe.

1:48:29 Speaker 2: And what if they agreed to it?

1:48:31 Speaker 3: And that's something else, you know, maybe what if they didn't have no choice but to agree to it? Right? Right?

1:48:38 Speaker 2: I mean, we don't these questions come up.

1:48:41 Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of unknowns there, and I think, you know, most people would just like to know, Hey, are these real? You know, most of us that follow the topic, No, it's real, either firsthand or just by what we've listened to the people that bothered to listen to it. Then you know, you have like I have neighbors. If I mentioned it, they just look at me, you know, a little crazy or something. So I just don't mention it to certain people, you know, Uh.

1:49:14 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I just I went to a wake or a celebration of life yesterday, and I mean, do you know how many people looked at me and go, you know, and just went just you know, these people I've grown up with, I've been I've interacted with them on so many different occasions before this, when I was still the same person. But now that I'm the guy who goes to Congress and you know, has conversations about aliens, I mean, I get looked at very differently now. And it was very uncomfortable to be where I was yesterday.

1:49:54 Speaker 2: And honestly I had a very big, kind of like panic attack towards the end because people are starting to hit me with the these questions like you know, why do you do this? Or you know what you know? Or looking at me like that, like their eyes kind of glaze over when you talk.

1:50:10 Speaker 3: You look at them like where's your curiosity?

1:50:13 Speaker 2: I'm like, how can you not be in Yeah, sometimes I feel like cursed knowledge.

1:50:22 Speaker 3: You don't really have to be crazy to be curious about it. I mean, but when you've got really high officials or or ex military come out and telling you this is real, you ought to be interested in asking more questions.

1:50:36 Speaker 2: And that, my friend, That, my friend is the fundamental truth, right when someone who has your military career, when someone who has and not to say that just because someone's in the military gives them a blanket of credibility, it doesn't, but it gives you that added layer of This is a trained observer. This is someone that government spent our tax dollars to make you the best of the best at you know, a lot of things. They spent a lot of money on you, uh and and and spend a lot of money in they don't spend enough money and re integrating you guys into society, but they definitely spend a lot of money taking you out of society to be uh, to become what you become.

1:51:29 Speaker 2: And and my hat's off to you. You know, I definitely I could not be that person. But we owe it to you to hear you out. We owe it to you to take what you say seriously, and this is where a lot of people go wrong. And I'm sorry that you've dealt with that because I find you to be highly credible, and you know, it kind of breaks my heart, man, that that people don't that people aren't taking and I know you're not seeking fame and for or anything like that, but the fact that you're trying to tell your story and people are saying it's it's not.

1:52:06 Speaker 3: Well, the one person you know, I thought would listen, you know, when I talked to Roz. You know, I've watched his interviews and you know, he seemed like a generally curious guy.

1:52:17 Speaker 4: But did he reach out to you?

1:52:20 Speaker 3: No? No, I, like I said, I wanted to tell my story to him and be done with it. You know. That's that was my tensions. And uh, like I said, he's got the biggest platform on national news for anybody to talk about it, and I thought, well, you know, maybe this guy will see the importance of what I'm saying. And all he wanted to know was if I'd seen a UF one eggland, you know, and and.

1:52:51 Speaker 2: You know why there's that there's the whole story about the pilots and that ye sighting, the sighting at Eggland Air Force Base. So I think what they were trying to do is corroborate that story because the members of Congress had gone down to Eggland and then been rejected, rejected the interview with the pilots until you know, the members of Congress made a few calls and demanded that they get to see the pilot. So I think what they were trying to do was validate through someone who was on the ground at Eggland with what was currently kind of happening around that topic.

1:53:30 Speaker 2: So I think you were almost used as an attempted corroboration that went wrong, and that is why they kind of pushed it. Now that's my that's my observation.

1:53:43 Speaker 3: Of course, Yeah, they have a narrative, you know that they're they're they're trying to push and you know, they have a story that that they think that they're on to a certain kind of story, and some other story comes out that don't really go along with it's what they're trying to say. You know, it just kind of gets pushed to the side, and you know, I realize sometimes that stories don't come out for like a year or so. Is what I've been told yeah, and I just told them, you know, don't worry about airing my story.

1:54:15 Speaker 3: You know, if I said yeah, I'm sorry that he didn't believe what I had to say. And when the guy that just came out a few days ago, Chris Mellan was and I've heard Chris Mellan talk a few times about our capabilities about what we can see, you know, because anytime stuff comes out, people like Senator Gillibrand will say, you know, maybe we can get some more censors up there and see these things a little bit more clearly. And I'm just like, no, y'all can do that now. And you know it, y'all can see them clearly now.

1:54:55 Speaker 3: They just don't want to show their cards on that deal. But he he knew that they could do it, and I knew the place he was talking about.

1:55:05 Speaker 2: That could do it. And that's the thing is, you know, we get all these really grainy videos of you know, what might be something. You know, they really like this tic tac shape craft. But you know what you're saying is if they can, if they have the capabilities that you know that they have, then there's some we we have an abundance of, you know, HD four K resolution photos or videos and or videos of these craft, but we just don't want to show it because they're controlling what gets out that they don't want to.

1:55:49 Speaker 2: I mean, do you think that a man, why do you think they won't show us man? Why do you think they won't show us the HD photo or at least one of them.

1:56:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think it's just a matter of time before someone leaks it, you know. I think some of the people that are coming forward there that they're walking it out to people.

1:56:13 Speaker 2: What do you think the best UFO footage out there that you've seen.

1:56:18 Speaker 3: As the one I was talking about earlier, the one in Cuba, if you look at the UFO over Cuba, Yeah, it is the the best one. I mean, it's very clear. It's probably the best footage I've ever seen. It is a craft that you see. It's like a boomerang shape and it has this thing on the bottom. It's kind of like an S shape. It's like it looks like a power source and it starts rotating on the bottom and it consumes the entire craft. It lights up the whole craft. The whole craft turns into this looks like a battle of fire.

1:57:03 Speaker 3: It looks like a glowing fire, exactly exactly what I saw when I was a kid. And that's the closest thing and the best thing I've seen out there, and I'm surprised that it's not really well known.

1:57:19 Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the Turkey UFO video? Yeah, I saw what do you what do you think of that video footage?

1:57:28 Speaker 3: It's okay? But the one over Cuba that I saw is I mean you see the whole craft. I mean, it's it's amazing.

1:57:36 Speaker 2: I I oh, I think I think I might have it here.

1:57:47 Speaker 4: Sorry for anyone who's listening, only.

1:57:51 Speaker 2: Can you see that?

1:57:53 Speaker 3: That's it?

1:57:54 Speaker 2: What I've never seen this, I've never seen this.

1:57:57 Speaker 3: Watch it.

1:58:00 Speaker 2: This looks like a still image of this interesting video was filmed in the sky of Cuba.

1:58:05 Speaker 3: As you can see, the upho has a very strange design in the middle part of photo. There's a lot of video.

1:58:13 Speaker 2: Will gradually improve the video. What do you think there is? Oh my god? What the fuck?

1:58:33 Speaker 4: Holy ship? And this is broad day.

1:58:40 Speaker 3: That looks exactly a lot what I saw.

1:58:45 Speaker 2: Holy Ship. I want to see it kind of like envelope and this is kind of like what you said you saw.

1:58:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, when it was lit up the way it's lit up when it covers the entire shop. That's exactly what I saw.

1:59:01 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is wild. I wonder what they're saying, probably like holy shit, there's probably other videos better.

1:59:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can say at the bottom it's some type of energy source that it has.

1:59:23 Speaker 2: Well, that that is fucking crazy looking. I've never seen this footage. This is blowing my mind.

1:59:31 Speaker 3: To me. I think there is the best one out there.

1:59:34 Speaker 2: Oh you might be right, dude, I think you might be odd to something with that. That is that is holy ship for anyone who's just listening. You guys gotta check out that video. So look up Cuba. Uh clear video footage of a UFO in Cuba. That's the first time that comes up. But so so that's similar to what you saw, like, uh, you know something.

1:59:57 Speaker 3: Whatever energy source is that that covered the craft. What I saw, it was completely covered the craft. And like I said, my mother when she saw it, it had lost its glow and it was just sitting there and I think it had just landed when when I saw and then it moved because when I saw it, it was it was kind of drifting over to my left. When I was looking at it, and the next day when we went out there to the field where we had seen it, it had came over more to the center of the trailer park where we lived.

2:00:38 Speaker 3: I'm trying to go back there in the next few weeks where we saw it, and I'm going to try to take some video and see see if I can't go to the field. The last time I went there, it was all deserted. There's not any trailers there now, it was just empty spaces and there were the field was still there. The barbed war fence was still there. And I'm gonna try to see if I can go inside the field and find out who owns it to see if they mind if I go out there.

2:01:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, well send send Well, you sent me your phone number, so I'll definitely be keeping in touch obviously, But I would love to see, you know, because there's something about when people go back to their sighting spot, you know, maybe do a little I don't know, try do like a thought experiment. Not a thought experiment, but this would be a literal thought experiment, you know, like take a minute and and you know, just invite something to come back and see what happens. Because people, you know, they've.

2:01:44 Speaker 3: I went to Fort Walton down there were Egglands located a few weeks ago. I went down there for waiting, and uh, it's grown a lot since two thousand and nine. The place doesn't look the same. I didn't go aboard to Eggland, but Fort Wolton itself has grown a lot. And now I want to go back to Georgia where we had our siding.

2:02:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I said, I'd just love to see the area that you add that and like you said, you know when your mother sees it, you know, in that video it kind of shows it as well. It has definition, there's some definition to it, and then whatever seems to be.

2:02:28 Speaker 4: Going around it, maybe it's propulsion.

2:02:32 Speaker 2: The source of its functionality that kind of engulfs it in this flame. And you know, people report seeing orbs, and you know, maybe that is what they kind of like turn into when they're on the move, and when they're stationary they become whatever they become, you know, with triangular or shaped. I don't know, but you and your mom seem to have seen similar craft at different stages.

2:03:02 Speaker 3: And what I would like to do is take someone down there that studies UFOs, like somebody from Move on or something like that with me down there.

2:03:11 Speaker 2: Well, don't don't go to move on. I'm the chief marketing officer of a of a new organization, the International uf UFO Bureau, and it's based out of Oklahoma, Oklahoma, and I think we would definitely love to do that with you.

2:03:30 Speaker 3: I would I would love for somebody to go down there with me if I get permission to go to the field and let them take soul samples or whatever they think they could do. You know, seeah left.

2:03:44 Speaker 2: Let me put you in touch with with with a few people. I think we could definitely help you out though.

2:03:50 Speaker 3: That'd be great.

2:03:51 Speaker 2: I'm the chief I'm the chief marketing officer of it, of the International UFO Bureau as i'm right now, I'm also handling government relations as well, so uh, I think we'd be very interested to to to work with.

2:04:05 Speaker 4: You on that.

2:04:06 Speaker 2: And and you know your story, it's it's if there's one thing that you desperately wanted to tell people, and you what you want them to get from what you're saying? What is it?

2:04:21 Speaker 3: I just wanted to know. I just want people to know that our government has the capabilities to monitor these things. There's no secret to what they can do, what they can monitor. They know exactly where these things come from, they know where they go once they get here, and they we should quit plain dumb about you know, what they know about where these things come from. I think they have to just level with the American people and just you know, tell them their origins. You know they come from a matter of space.

2:05:00 Speaker 3: Did they come from water? You know? I think people could handle it.

2:05:06 Speaker 2: I agree, I I really do. And I think that's a beautiful place to end it for the day, or end it for this this episode. But I really do want to say thank you for you know, your testimony, for for coming forward.

2:05:22 Speaker 3: Uh.

2:05:22 Speaker 2: People don't realize how much how much there is that how much baggage is attached to coming forward, you know, for someone like yourself. Obviously you risk a lot a lot more than you gain unless you go the you know, right a right, right a book kind of Well.

2:05:42 Speaker 3: My family, my family does not like me talking about it. And my fiance, she had a siding with her two daughters. Why not they were coming back from the mall. Oh really, they were down there. It was around the time we were having the UFO sightings in the late eighties. Around the five UFO sidings, and they saw two craft over a field and they pulled over. Now where they were, it's in a place called Lebanon, Alabama, which is between Collinsville and for Payne, which is just a long stretch of just pastures and fields and cattle.

2:06:24 Speaker 3: And these two craft were over a field and they saw these lights, you know, shining down on the ground. So they pulled over to watch them. And they would shine a light, click off, and then move to another spot and do the same thing. Well, her two daughters, one of them is a nurse now, the other one's a teacher, her youngest one that's a teacher now. She got in the floorboard and started crying when she saw it because it was making no noise. And when it when the first one clicked off its light, it took golf just blink of an odd did not make any noise at all.

2:07:04 Speaker 3: And the second one stayed behind a little bit longer. It finally, you know, cut its lot off and it took off no noise whatsoever. They washed it for about twenty.

2:07:13 Speaker 2: Minutes, that is, and they so even.

2:07:20 Speaker 3: With them, they've never talked about.

2:07:22 Speaker 2: It, I would say, even with having seen something themselves. They don't.

2:07:28 Speaker 3: They don't.

2:07:29 Speaker 2: It's such a bizarre that's such a bizarre thing to me. And like I said, you know, I mean, if you think about it, hindsight being twenty twenty, look back at your own situation, right. I mean, you guys never talked about it.

2:07:42 Speaker 3: Right, But we had some really heavy, heavy sightings here and cattle mutilations here.

2:07:49 Speaker 2: That's that's, that's the aspect that really, That's why I was literally just texted the person in charge of the International UFO Bureau and I said, I think we should I think we should help this guy and go back and do what he wants move on to do.

2:08:06 Speaker 3: Oh, I would love that. I was working with the scientists from UA B David Rays, when I started having all these weird things come up in my yard, like whatever it was, burn the side of the tree and right it. I've got pictures. I could show it to you.

2:08:24 Speaker 2: I would love to see that.

2:08:26 Speaker 3: And I wish you foot across. I measured him and somebody said, oh, that's a that's a deer bed, and I said, well, a deer can't can't sit on top of a fence and bend it.

2:08:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that doesn't that doesn't even that's like trying to explain something with swamp gas.

2:08:45 Speaker 4: It's the it's the.

2:08:46 Speaker 2: Most ridiculous scenario. It's like it would be more plausible for the mysterious thing where we're saying might have happened to be true than what you're saying. And that's what always gets me. It's like, oh my god, you guys are really reaching on some of this stuff.

2:09:03 Speaker 3: And what's really strange about that all that stuff didn't start happening again until I recalled what happened at and what happened to me when I was a kid.

2:09:15 Speaker 2: Maybe you were I mean, do you ever think that you were meant to see what you saw?

2:09:20 Speaker 3: I hope not, because I wish I just you know, and until everybody says something and is convinced. I just a lot of times I wish i'd never seen anything.

2:09:32 Speaker 2: And well, you know, like I said, it's not that's not even about it. It's like the curiosity becomes weaponized, and that's it. That's what really like, that's a fire under people, and you know, it seems that fire has been lit in this case. So I I, uh, I am very intrigued by by by your story, and like a that I just want to say thank you for your service to the country, and you know, thank.

2:10:04 Speaker 4: You for being brave enough to come forward and talk about this.

2:10:07 Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me on and it was wonderful talking to you. If you have any questions in the future, just shoot me a text or something.

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