UFO CRASH RETRIEVALS WITH UFO Military Historian MICHAEL SCHRATT

0:13 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Total Disclosure the podcast. My name's Tie and I am your host. Uh. We have a great show tonight. One of my favorite people in the world. Uh, and I'm so excited, mister Michael Stratt is here, so let's get him out it in here. How you doing, mister Michael.

0:33 Speaker 2: Going to be with you? Good to be with you?

0:37 Speaker 2: Mm hmm, great doing good?

0:42 Speaker 1: Thank you. Sorry, I was having a little trouble hearing because first three things started playing in the background, So I am sorry about that. But Military Aviation Historian, You've done so much work with you in the UFO topic. I mean, I think you're in like every documentary I've ever watched on the subject. It's crazy you make your routes.

1:09 Speaker 2: Maybe so you know, we do what we can here,

1:14 Speaker 2: you know.

1:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, So tonight we decided that we were going to talk about crash retrievals UFO crash tables to be specific. Now, I just had a conversation with mister Tim Burchett, congressman out of Tennessee, and I tried talking to him and getting him to open up about some of the crash retrievals. Obviously, he spearheaded the UFO hearings that David Grush was a part of, and we got to hear a little bit about before Roswell and that you know, this cover up may pre date you know a lot of the preconceived notions of modern day ufology.

1:54 Speaker 1: So I just wanted to get your thoughts on that at least to start.

1:58 Speaker 2: I concur with that, because we've got multiple Crush retrievals from nineteen forty six at right Field, Dayton, Ohio. We've got Cape Girardo nineteen forty one. If the Italy case is to be believed, that's nineteen thirty three, So there's multiple cases prior to Roswell, absolutely right.

2:17 Speaker 1: And you know Tim and I were talking about they're the ass at program and Jim Lekatski claiming that he had breached the hull of a UFO, and you know, David Grush also had said that Lockheed wanted to get rid of or get new eyes on some of the material that they were in possession of and they were set to deliver but basically a UFO to as app the program and that was the ultimate goal and why Robert Bigelow got the money to retro fit his facility to take on a project like that. It ultimately was thwarted by the CIA, But I think it's really really interesting to think, I mean, how long have these crash retrievals and how long have we had potential alien craft, potential alien technology.

3:19 Speaker 2: Well at least seventy to eight years. And that's borne out by a lot of first hand military witnesses from Leonard Stringfield who were at the site where craft were loaded onto eighteen wheeler tractor trailer low boy truck sent to Wright Patterson Air Force Base. We've got other medical personnel who were in charge of the autopsies, the pathologists, reports, the X ray lab technicians. This is all within the Stringfield collection.

3:47 Speaker 1: Right, And it's just when so many people are telling you that this there's something to this, it really does start to solidify. I mean, we're in the age of information and it could be a blessing and a curse, if you will, kind of right, because with information comes misinformation deception. Uh. And it seems that in government there's this battle for disclosure and it's like it's it's we're waiting to see who's gonna win out. But civilians like yourself have done tremendous work at looking at some of these cases and kind of extracting the truth to a degree.

4:32 Speaker 1: And Roswell is a huge, huge, huge case. Uh, it's it's obviously the most well known UFO crash and probably UFO case. So I mean, you've done a lot of work on it, and I just want to you know, uh, thank you for that, first of all, but I want to hear more about what you've you've uncovered.

4:54 Speaker 2: Okay, so and we can we can share screen whenever you want. But what I've been doing the last I'd say it's almost been four years now, as I've been doing a deep dive into the first ten military witnesses that were procured by Leonard Springfield. Over about a thirty year period. He collected dozens and dozens of first hand witnesses who guarded craft and hangars, who guarded et bodies and formelde hyde preservation liquid tubes underground facilities at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, also at Eggland Air Force Base.

5:30 Speaker 2: And you know, they absolutely do diversify their portfolio. So you've got at Edwards North Base Complex, You've got things at Homestead Airforce Base, you've got things at McDill Air Force Base, and these are the type of witnesses that I like to drill down on. And going through the book that Leonard had published, there's about one hundred and nineteen crush retieval cases there, and I like to just make the point that all we need is one of these to be correct. So these legacy witnesses that the numbers are in our face, absolutely in our.

6:01 Speaker 1: Favor, absolutely, and like you said, if just one of these cases is legit, then the implications for that are absolutely, they're they're wild, and it affects every single person on this planet absolutely absolutely.

6:21 Speaker 2: That's why during World War Two, this subject matter was classified higher than the atomic bomb. It was classified above top secret, and that's where Timothy Good got the name of his book, Above top secret. So when we talk about crash retrievals, and this is the literally everything, it's wrapped up in everything. All of this is the retrievals, the body, the debris, it's the holy grail that's going to be the vehicle that really manifests disclosure.

6:52 Speaker 1: Here absolutely, and I'd love you could share a screen absolutely whenever and we can get into the get into that.

7:06 Speaker 1: But the crash rechieval part is is it's not touchy. But many people or skeptics, if you will, well, we'll often say, if these craft are so advanced, and if they're coming from so far away, and they're you know, thousands and thousands of years ahead of us in intelligence, how are they crashing? And I find it an interesting question. It does perplex me that if they can traverse the cosmos or dimension app dimensions themselves, how are they crashing? And it just it leads me to think that there was a couple accidents and then we developed weaponry to bring them down.

7:55 Speaker 2: I think the best way to comment on that is what we're hearing about crashing is not necessarily motherships crashing, worrying about scout ships crashing. That's the first thing. And absolutely to go with what your further statement is there there absolutely appears to be a rogue element within the military industrial complex that is targeting, tracking, and shooting these things down to exploit their free energy systems and their weapons advancement technology. That appears to be what's going on here.

8:25 Speaker 1: Yes, so kin kind of like what David Grush said when you refer to a cold a secret cold war.

8:34 Speaker 2: A secret cold war. Yeah, no checks and balances, no public scrutiny, no congressional oversight. This is a whole different thing. This is outside the realm of the United States elected government officials. This is completely something else because the Senators and congressmen, the Arms House, Arms and Services Committee chairmen, they do not have access to this information. They don't have a high enough secure a clearance to get read in on these programs. And that's the problem we're running into associating these with congressional hearings.

9:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and and and you know, it's funny because I often think back upon the ass APP, just the ass APP program, just the three people that signed off on it. Uh Ted Stevens, who had seen a UFO. Daniel Innoway gives an incredible speech about a government that does a shadow government. And then Harry Harry Reid, who's longtime friends with Robert Bigelow, George Knapp and has an ongoing conversations about you know, UFOs and if they're not even read in, right, these are the these are the highest of the high the game.

9:55 Speaker 2: This is the crown Jewels here, we're dealing with the Crown Jewels. This is the varsity team we're dealing with here. These guys don't play around. This is for keeps, you know.

10:04 Speaker 1: This is for Do you think there's a possibility of such thing as like a secret space program?

10:11 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, without a doubt, without a doubt, because we've been spending one hundred million dollars per day on classified black programs during the Clinton administration. That was one hundred million dollars per day. We were blowing on all of.

10:26 Speaker 1: This stuff, right right, and and uh let's let's uh, let's get into your sure get into your powerpointing. I love the name, by the way, retrievals. Yeah, retrievals are the third kind cosmic.

10:42 Speaker 2: This is an homage to Leonard Springfield. So yes, let's go ahead and start here. Retrievals are the third kind cosmic crashes, corpses, and cover ups. We will continue on here. Uh. It is the holy grail of ufology. It absolutely is, because this this is the vehicle that is going to facilitate disclosure because within the crash retriebles, we've got the craft, we've got the bodies, and we've got the debris. And everybody knows that we don't need any more CE one cases. We don't need any more lights in the sky.

11:12 Speaker 2: Reports and citing we don't need that. We're decades beyond that. What we need now is nothing short of the physical hardware. That's the point where we're at right now. You know, everybody asked about the evidence and you need extraordinary evidence to support these claims. Well, it's true you do, and that's why the crash retrievals are really the most important. I won't go through all this here, but I'll just state that I want to kind of give people an idea of where Leonard got this information.

11:42 Speaker 2: So this is three star USO first generals, US Air Force fighter pilots, astronauts, commercial pilots, air traffic controllers, neurosurgeons, pathologists, theoretical physicists and mathematicians, US Army officers, US Navy officers, military police, high level Pentagon officials, top military brass scientists, and engineers who worked at Right Patterson Air Force Base and other government facilities. So this is just a brief overview of the very high level military first hand witnesses that Leonard dealt with to get his information.

12:19 Speaker 2: So this isn't just somebody saw something. This is an actual military personnel rank file number D two fourteen. These are documented sources here. Let's continue on a couple of quick quotes. Number one, UFO crash retrievals can't be real, because if they were, I would have read about in the local newspaper. That's number one. Number two, there are not now, nor ever have been any extraterrestrial visitors or equipment on Right Patterson Air Force Base. This is their press release, July nineteen eighty.

12:51 Speaker 2: That's what they're telling us. This is the official Air Force policy here. We've never had anything at Right Patterson. There's no bodies, there's no craft. So what we're going to do as we go through here is it's going to be Leonard Stringfield's first hand military witnesses up against the Air Force and their claim about their not being anything, and we're going to see who comes out on top. Here. This is the man of the hour. This is Leonard Stringfield. He is the originator who coined the term UFO crash or trible.

13:23 Speaker 2: It all goes back to Leonard Stringfield. So when you hear about all this stuff in congressional hearings and this recent report about crash for Tuble, it all filters back to Leonard Stringfield, and over a period of at least two decades he had compiled just dozens and dozens of these first hand military witnesses. This is what we want to talk about today. A couple of bio points here. He was born in nineteen twenty. He grew up in Cincinnati, Ohio. By the time he graduated from high school in nineteen thirty nine, he already memorized the entire dictionary.

13:59 Speaker 2: They gave him a nickname. He was called Webster because he literally remembered the entire dictionary. So if there was anyone on this planet that was qualified to take these reports, it was Leonard Springfield. He joined the military as soon as he heard about the attack on Pearl Harbor on December seventh, nineteen forty one. After the war, he was employed by a chemical company in Ohio. He retired after thirty years. Now. He wrote two books, Inside Saucer Post three Dish Serial back in nineteen fifty seven, Situation Read the UFO Siage back in nineteen seventy seven.

14:36 Speaker 2: The next point here is what we want to drill down on. His lecture on UFO Crasher Triebles at the nineteen seventy eight UFUND Symposium in Dayton, Ohio. Caused an international sensation, and the reason why is number one. Back in nineteen seventy eight, the whole concept of UFO Crasher tribles was a new entity back then, and number two is Leonard was given permission to maintain an important part of our national history by retelling these accounts from his witnesses. But the agreement was that their names had kept under wraps, and so there was absolutely pushback at the MUFIND symposium because nobody could independently verify these claims without the names, and so there was absolutely some pushback here.

15:25 Speaker 2: He passed away December eighteenth, nineteen ninety four, and all we have now left are his status reports, and we're going to continue on here. Cincinnati Inquirer, July nineteenth, nineteen ninety three. Author continues quest for truth about UFOs. Quote. What I've collected has staggering implications for mankind. This would be the biggest thing since Christ. Really it's a bold statement, but it's true. Even if one of these cases is authentic, it is the biggest thing. Absolutely, Let's continue on here.

15:59 Speaker 2: At one time, there were twenty two bank boxes of original drawings renderings. There were newspaper clippings there were handwritten notes, there were sketches by the first time witnesses. That information should be tracked down and brought within these congressional hearings will continue. Now for anyone who wants to follow along with this, I want to give you the page number, the case number, the reference of where I'm getting this information. This comes from Leonard's book UFO Crash Retriebles the Complete Investigation Status Reports one through seven.

16:36 Speaker 2: That's where I'm getting all of this information. So if you want to read all of the intricate details, how many bodies were recovered, what the flight suits looked at, how they shipped it to Wright Patterson Air Force Base, how many craft were that you know, these are the kind of details that are in this book. However, when you start paging through this book, you're going to find out that it's very heavy. It's all reading. It's not for the faint of heart. You have to have a real big interest in this subject.

17:08 Speaker 2: And there's no drawings, there's no photographs, there's no illustrations, so you're left with your own imagination to try to make up an idea of what these cases look like. So over the past four years, I've made it my crusade to commit these two refine drawings, and using those as a guide, I went to a full color rendering and that's what I want to go over with you tonight.

17:29 Speaker 1: Here.

17:30 Speaker 2: Also want to mention Magic Eyes Only by my good friend Ryan Wood. So within the Stringfield book that I just showed everybody, there's one hundred and nineteen crash retrieval cases. Ryan's book Earth's Encounters with Extraterrestrial Technology has an additional one hundred and four crash retrieval cases. So now we're pushing over two hundred. If we even knock out fifty of these, we're down to one fifty. We only need one. So the numbers are in our favor. I mean, it's at a point now where we can't lose, and that's why I want to take everyone to Las Vegas.

18:04 Speaker 2: Here, So we're going to take our trip to Las Vegas, and we're going to go to any one of these casinos, you can pick anyone. We'll go to a Roulette wheel and let's just say they have one hundred and twenty spaces, and we put down one hundred and nineteen chips representing our one hundred nineteen crash retrieval cases. You can kind of see where this is going. We can't lose. It's a mathematical certainty. We can almost not lose. All we need is one to be correct, and the whole concept of UFO crash retrieval non existence falls apart completely.

18:35 Speaker 2: So again the numbers are in our favor. Let's continue on. I want to give credit to Rudy Guardea for doing all the original sketch work for this presentation. Okay, why don't we start here. You were talking about pre roswell cases. Well, here's one right here. This is nineteen forty two. This is at an army base in north of Georgia. It's page three nineteen in Leonard's book. So if anyone in Congress wants to get more details, here's your source. There's the page number. What they described is when this craft came down, it augured into the side of the building.

19:08 Speaker 2: It ripped open a whole breach on the side of the craft itself. Now there were three levels. This thing is about fifteen feet in diameter, it's ten feet high. Rudy's drawn a detailed bubble view on the upper right hand corner. So the upper deck had this display panel. There were buttons and switches there. Now on the mid deck, which you can kind of see on Rudy's blow up here, there was a wrap around window. In back of that wrap around window was what looked like four barstools. The bottom deck had an entryway hatch.

19:39 Speaker 2: Now there were four crew members taken alive. They were about five feet tall, ninety pounds, large black eyes, milky white skin. This is all long before Roswell. Here now, according to the first ten military witness, there was a series of what looked like hieroglyphic writings written along the bottom circumference of the craft. I'm going to do a blow up here. This gives you an idea of what these may have looked like. These were absolutely seen not only on the bottom of the craft, but on the inside upper dome section of the craft itself.

20:13 Speaker 2: And so yet this seems.

20:16 Speaker 1: To be a theme, if you will, we look at like things like Rendelsham and Jim Peniston saying that it looked like Egyptian hilogrifts. I always mess that word up, hieroglyphs on on it, and it's I find that to be very very interesting and at least a commonality that we can, you know, start to draw maybe some conclusions to.

20:45 Speaker 2: Begin because this iconology and markings pops up on at least seven or eight other cases where we've got writing on the inside wall of the craft itself. So by the fault, what I believe this means is there has to be a trans national team of linguistic experts and engineers trying to decipher and encode, decode what these symbols mean. There has to be they've got to have multiple three ring binders of this. So that's something that I always keep in mind here that's got to be going on here. So this is kind of my first past color illustration of what this may have looked like recovered back in nineteen forty two.

21:29 Speaker 2: Something like this was recovered back in nineteen forty two, long before Roswell. Let's continue on, go ahead.

21:36 Speaker 1: So you're saying, I'm just to clarify for anyone. So did it say that the crash happened at the base, or it would happen somewhere in North Georgia and it was taken to a base.

21:51 Speaker 2: It happened on an army base north of Georgia that even Leonard didn't know. He could not get that information and it literally augured into the side of the buildings there and ripped open the hole on the side of the craft that's talked about in the report.

22:05 Speaker 1: Okay, so that was that was at the army base.

22:08 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, at the army base.

22:10 Speaker 1: Yeah.

22:10 Speaker 2: It was not brought there. It came down there.

22:13 Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, another commonality.

22:16 Speaker 2: That's how. That's how that one went down. Now, this is one's interesting. This is right Field, Dayton, Ohio. And we're calling it right Field because back in nineteen forty six, the US Air Force didn't exist back then, so it was known as right Field, Dayton, Ohio back in nineteen forty six. We've got two witnesses on this case. One is an AVIONX mechanic and his six year old son, Tex Martin. So we've got two witnesses. This is page two forty two to two forty three in the book. Now what you're looking at here is a period correct photograph of Hanger Complex number four.

22:50 Speaker 2: It still exists today. The major hangar on the far right hand side that you see here, this is Hangar bay E. I've actually been inside this hangar before. I'm going to blow this up a little bit and our witness six year old tex Martin. He joined his father one day at right field day no how, because he was getting really good grades, his father invited him along. So he came along and they're in an adjoining cafeteria to that main hangar there, and there was this basically someone who is cleaning things up.

23:27 Speaker 2: I guess you could call him a janitor. He kind of thought that he wanted to buy this little boy a little soda here. The boy asked his father if it would be okay. He gave permissions, so this janitor hands this six year old boy of soda. And second he did that, this doorway opened up that was going right inside the main hangar. I'm going to go on to the next slide here and you can see our primary eye witness. As the door was opened up, we had a military police guard walk through. This little boy looked inside this because he was at the right place at the right time, he got a sneak peek inside there.

24:04 Speaker 2: What did he see? First of all, he said he saw two eighteen wheeler tractor trailer low boy trucks with unknown tarp debris. On the other side of that, there was about an eighteen foot diameter dish shaped craft with two rings wrapped around the outer circumference. It had tripod landing your legs. It was off white in color. And then he said there there was approximately three et bodies laying on the floor on stretchers, half covered up. This is coming from this witness, and his father saw this as well, so we don't have to rely on the testimony of a six year old boy.

24:38 Speaker 2: His father saw this as well. So let's go on to the next drawing here, and this is kind of a reverse image. So we've done one hundred and eighty degrees and you can see our primary eyewitness peeking through the door in the background, and you've got the tractor trailers, you've got the tarp debris, they've got chains connecting the tarps. You've got the bodies on the ground. So what we're doing here on this drawing is roughing everything out. We're getting all the monuments in place, and then I'm going to go to Rudy's refined drawing, and now this is all coming into view.

25:08 Speaker 2: Now you can kind of get an idea of what this looked like. So this thing was twenty feet in diameter, It had two rings wrapped around the outer circumference, sitting on tripod, landing your legs, and then you've got the et bodies in the foreground laying on the hangar floor on stretchers. This is what was described by not only Tex Martin, but his father saw it as well. Now he was reprimanded for all of this. He got in trouble big time. But we do have their names, we do have their testimony within the Streamfield collection.

25:37 Speaker 2: So what we want to do now, We're going to take Rudy's drawing as a guide as a template. Follow this closely. We'll come up with a full color rendering by Joel Christopher Pain. And this is what we came up with just to make this come alive. And we want to preserve an important part of our national history. And you know, we're a couple in here now and we haven't even got to Roswell yet. Okay, so let's continue on. Go ahead.

26:02 Speaker 1: That is a I mean, right right Field has long been suspected of being a destination of this material. Inevitably. Uh So, no matter what case it is, you know, whether it's Roswell or or something similar, it seems that right Patterson seems to always get involved somehow. So I'm wondering, do we think that this case was a craft. This one didn't just you know, come through the hangar, right pat it was it looks like it was bust in.

26:43 Speaker 2: It was. It was brought in. It was brought in. And to kind of go along the line of what we were just talking about here, the reason why craft in the forties and fifties and sixties were brought to right Patterson Air Force Base for a number of reasons. Number one, they have the Aero Medical Lab there, so they can test the bodies, they can test the tissue samples, they can investigate the autopsy reports. Number two is they have the Foreign Technology Division there so they can test the tensile strength of the metals and the material.

27:13 Speaker 2: So it makes sense that they would ship things to write Patterson Air Force Base. Yes, okay, so we'll continue on here now, same location, same date in nineteen forty six. However, in this case, our witness was a private and w records management and the source for this is space The Final Frontier, page fifty nine by Clark McClellan. I'm going to show you the cover of the book. This is what the cover of the book looks like. So if anyone wants to follow along, this is where I'm getting the information.

27:44 Speaker 2: Now within the book is this sketch from the primary eyewitness. Now, this thing came in to right Field, Dayton, Ohio, from Arkansas on a railroad flatcar. So they shipped this thing all the way from Arkansas to write Patterson Air Air Force known as right Field. Now I want to mention that this thing was fifteen feet in diameter. It was seven feet tall, highly polished, mirror reflective exterior, no visible seams, no wells, no socket head capscures, no fasteners of any kind, no he's head fasteners, no rivets.

28:22 Speaker 2: This thing was very highly polished. It had a series go ahead. I had a series of rectangular windows wrapped around the outer circumference of the craft itself. Again, this thing is fifteen feet in diaminald. Let me go to the next slide. Here, here's my AutoCAD drawing that kind of shows you the layout of this thing. Now, if you look on the upper right, what I've done is I've peeled back the skin that shows you this central column that was three feet in diameter. It started at the bottom of the craft, went through the midpoint terminating at the roof of the top of the craft itself.

28:54 Speaker 2: Now, if you look closely here to the left of center, one window left of center in my bottom drawing here, you'll see there's a red dot that is the attempted point of entry with diamond tip drill bits. And this comes up three times within the stringfield collection where you have these white lab coat technicians that are desperately trying to breach these craft with diamond tip drill bits, and they can't do it, they cannot get inside. And what comes up at least three times.

29:27 Speaker 1: Can you, just for anyone who doesn't know, can you explain the importance of why diamond tip drills and not being able to get through means anything.

29:37 Speaker 2: Well, think about this. What if you could have an aircraft, for instance, a third generation, fourth generation stealth fighter aircraft that you reversed engineer the metallurgical technology, something that was recovered back in the nineteen forties that could not be dented, could not be burned, could not be damaged in any way by a sixteen pound sledgehammer as light as a feather. If you made your aircraft out of that, you would rule the skies. And that appears to be what has been done.

30:06 Speaker 1: Here, diamond diamond being the the krim dela krim of of of drill tips. It is you're using the only way to break into a or cut through another metal is to use a stronger alloy metal sure or or or you know, you keep going up in that scale, diamond being the the pinnacle of strength, and they can't breach the hull with diamond diamond drill.

30:40 Speaker 2: It's it's very clear in the report that they had multiple teams of white lab coat technicians. They probably started out with stainless steel drill bits, but the snapped, They snapped and broke, and they got dull and they said, you know what, we need something a lot harder, something that can pierce metals. And they tried that and it failed. They could not get inside. That's the case on this one. Here. I'm going to go on to the next slide. Here, this is my very first past kindergarten level illustration to give you an idea what this thing may have looked like, just kind of roughing it out here.

31:14 Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the next slide. Now, here's Joseph Race's full color runnering, much better than mine. But he's got everything correct here. He's peeled back the skin which shows you this three foot diamond or central column. Now, there were no seats in this thing. There were no display panels in this This could have been a drone, we don't know. But again they could not get inside of this particular craft. And he's got the red dot on the left of center as well. So let's continue on here. So here's Rudy's drawing.

31:45 Speaker 2: So this private records management. He goes into the hangar because he has to deliver a letter to one of the high level military brasses there. He's met by his friend who's a guard there, and this guy says, come here, I got something I want to show you. So he brings them into the hangar kind of in the back of the hangar, and this craft is just sitting on the hanger floor. Now off to the right, he said that there was a tarp that was partially folded up in the foreground. There was an open toolbox with an electric drill and a diamond tip drill bit.

32:15 Speaker 2: And so that's where we're getting the whole concept here. And this pops up multiple times, this whole thing about diamond tip drill bits pops up multiple times within the Stringfield collection. So what we want to do now is we'll take Rudy's drawing as a guide and I want to take you inside this hangar in a three D world here and see if we can make this come alive. And this is what we came up with. Something like this was seen at right Field, Dayton, Ohio back in nineteen forty six. It could still be there today.

32:47 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'd love to go there and see, just like all the rest of us, because we've been paying for this.

32:53 Speaker 1: Right right these programs. And that's the problem. What do you think of I mean the program and I don't mean to cut you off here, but the community. I I kind of told you about this when we talked on the phone. The program name Michael Schellenberger spoke about being immaculate constellation. And it kind of makes sense because I don't know if you ever talked to Diana Posoka, but her contact that she named in American Cosmic as Tyler who works for NASA. I mean he talks about all the essolteric backgrounds behind NASA.

33:35 Speaker 1: I mean we know Operation paper Clip, uh, you know, to to to bring the Nazi scientists over here and and convert the the what is it the rocketry? Uh, and and to incorporate into the space program. There's a lot of weird stuff going on there. But Tyler also claims that these crash retrievals they view them as quote unquote gifts. So a program name like Immaculate Constellation having a biblical set meaning and like a gift from the gods kind of feel it just goes I feel like it goes together. So do you do you make anything of that?

34:18 Speaker 2: Do you think, well, you know, they they could be hand me downs, They could be hand me downs. This could have been a drone, So yeah, that's possible. And the whole reference to constellation, obviously it's pointing toward the stars as being the origin point for all of this, so that checks out as well.

34:35 Speaker 1: I just I find it to be interesting because I don't know whether I'm being fed disinformation through you know, the quote unquote UFO whistleblowers who've gone through the dobts or process. Right, It's like, okay, when is a whistleblower a whistleblower? I mean, is Louelizondo a whistleblower? I don't necessarily think so, because you know, he even says it himself that he'll protect national security at any cost, that he still works with the government. David Grush also says these things. So I just always try to be clear about I mean, we have to be careful about what we perceive as truth from the official narratives that are given to us.

35:26 Speaker 1: And like you said, you're just going through a list of crash retrievals. If even one of these happened, game over.

35:36 Speaker 2: And that's the beauty of the Stringfield collection, because we don't have to rely on one witness, We don't have to rely on a lone wolf. What we're seeing here is multiple similar characteristics from different witnesses that all have this common denominator. For instance, the diamond tip drill bits, we've got the writing, you know, some of the man made craft. They've got tubes, pipes, and cylinders on the bottom of the craft. So we don't have to rely on one person. And these people, even though they don't know each other, they're independently verifying the cases through these different witnesses.

36:14 Speaker 2: So that's the beauty of the Springfield collection here. Now, who would have a need to know back in forty six forty seven timeframe. This is a letter from Nathan Twining to Air Force Brigadier General George Shuligan, September twenty third, nineteen forty seven. He says the phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious. Later on in this document he talks about the flight path of these vehicles, the formation of the craft. It's a very interesting historical document. So this would have been a gentleman who probably had a need to know back in forty seven timeframe.

36:49 Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go onto the next case here, Papaco's Indian Reservation west of Globe, Arizona, January nineteen forty seven. We're still not at Roswell yet. This is of Superstition Mountains. The primary eyewitness served in the US Navy during World War Two. This is page ninety three in Leonard's book Case A ten. I'm going to take you to the next slide here, and this is Ruby's strowing. So you've got two personnel. They're energy. They're going down this unimproved road not too far from the Superstition Mountains, and they come across two military police.

37:24 Speaker 2: They're armed, they're challenged and stopped immediately. They're told you're not supposed to be here, get out of here immediately. And they were at the right place at the right time, at the very initial stages of a retrieval operation. They got to see it all. Off to the left, another fifty feet down this unimproved road was about a thirty foot diamond or dish shaped craft. It augured in at about a thirty five degree angle. It had two rings wrapped around the outer circumference of the craft itself.

37:53 Speaker 2: There was an indented windows wrapped around the outer circumference and a low rise dome on top, and they saw all of this is in the report. We've got the page number. So what we want to do now is use this as a template. We'll go to the full color rendering. And this is what we came up with just to kind of make this case come alive back in nineteen forty seven. So if we had senators and congressmen who could be read in on this and actually had some teeth and some power to run this to ground, we could get the documents on this.

38:29 Speaker 2: We can get the photographic documentation in the form of eight by ten glossy black and white photographs they've probably got motion picture film reil of this, so these things could actually be runderground. Let's go to the next one.

38:41 Speaker 1: Go ahead, just to be clear, Just to be clear, if I was the government, I mean, if I was the military and that thing is sticking out of the ground, I am taking pictures, I am taking video. And my my problem with with all of this is what what if we're dealing with something like you know, well it seems that we are dealing with it, but that all of these crafts have gone to private aerospace and that's how they keep them out of the public sector.

39:21 Speaker 2: Well done, well done.

39:22 Speaker 1: Right, So that I mean, how do you how do you? I mean Eisenhower literally stood there a military general who who ordered Normandy warning us about the military industrial complex, right? And how how, how how powerful they could become and with the technology I'm seeing in the ground right there. Mm hmmm, if if, if it's true, they would be the all powerful.

39:50 Speaker 2: Correct right ified above top secret?

39:55 Speaker 1: Ye? Right? Do you think Oppenheimer? Do you think Oppenheimer knew about UFOs?

40:02 Speaker 2: I believe so, and I believe the AEC, in conjunction with the United States Navy was kind of the originators of running the cover up. These two entities together, the Atomic Energy Commission the United States Navy were definitely involved in this, without a doubt, without a doubt. Now we talk about the craft here, what I like to do as a side project is, obviously I want to track down where the bodies went. I want to track down where the craft went, but I also want to track down what happened to the debris and the hardware.

40:38 Speaker 2: So within the reports from the Stringfield collection, there's a mention of something called Foot Brothers Gear and Machine Company. There's a one page notation. I'm going to just go over this real quickly. Here, according to Robert Helmold, Foot Brothers Gear and Machine Company of Chicago conducted metallurgical analysis on pieces from a saucer or that crash in Arizona back in nineteen forty seven. Now it could be the case we just talked about. So here we've got this gear company that allegedly got this debris.

41:09 Speaker 2: So of course I started digging. I wanted to look at the background of what this company does. You know, who are they, what did they do, what do they manufacture? So let's go to Chicago Tribune, January fifteenth, nineteen fifty five. It says it makes gears as large as twenty one feet in diameter and weighing forty five thousand pounds, and others small enough to put on a watch chain. Its gears are found on airplanes of all types, including jets and helicopters. In a year, it will make thousands of different gears for use by industry.

41:43 Speaker 2: So if the United States military recovered something back in nineteen forty seven, and they really weren't sure what they were looking at, but they had a small arch radius of material that might have some teeth on it, they'd be sending it to this company. So this checks out. They'd be sending it to this expert company that manufactures gears of all sizes. It makes sense. Hendrick's Commercial Register, nineteen oh nine. You can kind of see the types of gears that this Foot Brothers Gear Machine company actually makes.

42:16 Speaker 2: Let's do one more here, the purchasing agent, May nineteen twenty three. These are the gears that this place makes. So yes, it absolutely is consistent with the location where you want to send some debris of unknown origin to see if they could reverse engineer the technology. It completely makes sense, all right. Next one white Sands missile Range, July fourth, nineteen forty seven. The primary witness was a technical sergeant in US Army Air Force. This is page one ninety six and Leonard's book.

42:48 Speaker 2: So if anyone wants to follow along and get all the details, it's page one ninety six in the book. So we'll go to the next slide. When this thing came down, I should mention it was completely at night. This was larage. This thing was one hundred and fifty feet in diameter, tipped up at about a twenty degree angle. Again, this is at night. This thing was excruciatingly well lit. They had light alls, they had spotlights, they had search lights on this thing. They had people with Geiger counters walking around this thing checking to see if it was radioactive.

43:22 Speaker 2: They had people with still cameras taking photographs. They had other picture people with motion picture film real cameras. So this was all documented on film. They got this one. They absolutely got this one documented. So let's go to the next slide. Here this is the full color rendering of what this may have looked like at White Sands when this thing actually came down. Now, what is the actionable item that we want to take away? On this particular case. So since still photography and motion picture film was recorded of this event, Senators and congressmen with the appropriate security clearances should try down and utilize this evidence for future public hearings.

44:04 Speaker 2: And we hope, we pray that this information could be included in next month's congressional hearings. However, the problem we're running into is number one, the senators and congressmen do not have a high enough security clearance to access as information and they have not been read into these programs. So how can they talk about this? How can they get access to this if they don't have a high enough security clearance. That is the brick wall we're running into in Congress.

44:34 Speaker 1: Right, because they see these people as temporary employees, right, I mean the president what what? What was the last president that you think do anything past the surface of UFOs that was read?

44:53 Speaker 2: Probably Bush Senior, but.

44:57 Speaker 1: My guess as well. But yeah, interesting.

45:02 Speaker 2: Okay, let's continue on here, all right. UFO crash retrieval nineteen forty seven, seen at a warehouse at Berkeley University. Believe it or not, we have the name Albert Bruce Collins, now deceased. He was a metallurgical engineer. It's page one ninety seven in the book. So here we've got this metallurgical engineer. He's at the right place at the right time when this eighteen wheeler tractor trailer low boy trucks come backing into the warehouse at Berkeley University. Now, what did he see. Let's go to the next slide.

45:35 Speaker 2: Here is what he said that he saw within the report. Now, this thing was thirty feet across. It looked like it was egg shaped. It was fifteen feet high. He said it literally looked like a cracked egg because there was a hull breaching on the side of the craft, showing you the interior, which was a thirty six inch diameter central core or egg yoke that was cylindrical, more of a beach ball type. Now, on the forward section of the craft there was a composite panel. There was another composite panel that wrapped around the outer circumference of this interior yoke.

46:09 Speaker 2: And he also said that on the bottom right of the craft there was a whole breach with debris and shrapnel pointing out. So we believe there was an interior implosion within this craft. So now, yep, that's how this went down. Because it was pointing out, so something was going on. There might have been a whole breach and implosions. Something was going on. This thing is about thirty feet across as it's being backed in. I'm going to go to the next slide. This gives you an idea of what pulled into Berkeley University warehouse back in nineteen forty seven.

46:43 Speaker 2: It could still be there today. So Congressman, Senators, House Armed Services Committee members should be tracking this down. We've got the paperwork on this, all right, let's continue on here. We'll go to the next one. Carrett Pas, south of Salinas, California, July August nineteen forty seven. This was seen by two nineteen year old workers. I mean they're literally in a carrot patch the night prior to this craft came down. It was found by the foreman when the two boys ended up showing up for work next morning.

47:19 Speaker 2: The foreman walked over to these two boys and said, hey, I think you've got to take a look at this. So he alerted the two nineteen year old workers. I'm going to go to the next slide here, and this is what they saw. This is from the original string Field dictation notes the original sketch nine feet in diameter, a double row of indented windows wrapped around the outter circumference, a flat top four feet tall. This was not a large craft by any means. Now, what's unique about this case, very unique actually is X marks the spot we've actually got a map of where this thing came down.

47:54 Speaker 2: You can see Gonzalez there. You've got the freeway off to the left. We've got Monterey. But I could probably take you and it's kind of running just east of the one oh one here. Back in nineteen forty seven when this thing came down, I could probably take you within plus or minus two hundred feet where this came down. We could be at the site where this thing came down if we had this map back at that time. But yeah, in this case, we do have the actual map. So here's my first past kind of AutoCAD drawing to show you what this thing looks like.

48:28 Speaker 2: This was not a large craft, about four feet tall, nine feet in diameter. Here is the first past solid works rendering, just to give you an idea. Now, this whole concept of double row of indented windows that pops up in about three of the first.

48:45 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we're seeing some common themes in the craft.

48:49 Speaker 2: We are, yes, we are so in.

48:52 Speaker 1: The windows, structure and how it just the craft. They all have very similar features and it's actually interesting. It's interests me.

49:05 Speaker 2: It's popping up. And so that's why it's so important to look at the common denominator and this tapestry that runs through all these cases, because they're self confirming even though they're separated by time and space. So here's Rudy's drawing what this look like back in forty seven. Now, one of these nineteen year old workers, he got enough courage to walk over and he kicked the side of this thing. He made contact with this Within five minutes, there was a convoy of military vehicles that arrived on site.

49:37 Speaker 2: There were two jeeps. There was a six by six covered troop transport throwing a trailer. They were told to evacuate the area, so they walked about another eighth mile down the road, but they were close enough to see the entire operation. They saw the military personnel man handle this craft, put it onto the trailer. They covered it with a tart, put chains over the tarp, and moved it out of the location. So they they got to see the entire retrieval operation. So we're going to take this drawing from Rudy.

50:11 Speaker 2: We'll use it as a guide. We'll go to the full color rendering. This is what we came up with. So this is Selina's California UFO crash retrieval and they probably have this in a warehouse, maybe at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, who knows, who knows.

50:27 Speaker 1: So when he kicked this craft, yep, was there anything else to come out of that, because you know, we hear about people who get too close to these things.

50:39 Speaker 2: No, there are problems. No other response. So that was it.

50:42 Speaker 1: But it looks like they're getting it. Looks like they're getting more intricate as as as we go, right, They're they're UH using their detecting or searching for radiation. It's it's like they're learning, learning with each UH recovery how to keep it out of the public's eye, better and better and better.

51:06 Speaker 2: Correct. That's correct. Let's continue on here. Now. I want to mention Danny Sheehan. He plays an interesting role in this story here because he, as most people know, he obtained degrees from Harvard University and Harvard Law School. He's a large advocate for UFO disclosure and transparency. This is something that most people know, but I want to talk about something he was involved in that's directly related to our storyline here. And in nineteen seventy seven, he was given a one time only special security clearance to view some very interesting files at the Library of Congress.

51:41 Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the next slide here. Now these were the classified files specifically associated as Project Bluebook. These files are not to be confused with the unclassified Project blue Book records, which have long since been declassified and sent to the National Archives in Washington, DC. The photos were accessed by Danny Sheehan at the Madison Building basement during January of nineteen seventy seven under the direction of the Congressional Science and Technology Committee and Marcia Smith at the Congressional Research Service.

52:15 Speaker 2: So I'm just providing the details of how and where he got to see these files, all right, So where are the classified Project Bluebook files? Now? That really is the twenty four million dollar question. Where are the classified files? That's what we want to answer now. So he goes to the Library of Congress. This is January nineteen seventy seven to the James Madison Memorial Building. That's where all this went down. I'm going to give you a top view. Looking down now, you can see the United States Capital.

52:45 Speaker 2: If we go off to the right, you've got the Library of Congress. If we go directly south of that, we have the Madison Memorial Building. And that's what we want to focus in on. So according to Danny, he gets into an elevator, he goes down into the basement. Elevator doors open up. He walks down this long corridor hallway where he's met by two military guards where they check his ID. It's Danny. They let him into kind of this medium sized room. And when he walks into this medium sized room, I'm going to go to the next slide.

53:21 Speaker 2: Here, what he sees is a microfilm projector. Off to the right, there's a little bit of a mobile dolly that has files on it and cardboard boxes that are secured by a little bit of a string that have these microfilm reels in there. So now he's sitting down at this microfilm reader and he's kind of debating how he should spend his time here. And his first thought was, you know, I don't have a lot of time. This could be my only opportunity to be here. I don't have enough time to go through all of these documents individually.

53:55 Speaker 2: So what he did is he pulled out one of these microphone reels, he fed it through the reader, picked it up on the other pickup, and he started looking at the documents within this microfilm reader. And he's going through everything and all of a sudden, three photographs pop up, and they depict a winter time scene of a UFO crash retrieval operation. There's four people there. They're all wearing winter parkas. They have a furry flange along their hoods. Three of the men are taking photographs with still cameras, and they are taking photographs of a thirty foot diameter dish shaped craft that augurd in at a thirty degree angle and has a low rise dome on top.

54:38 Speaker 2: There's a series of hieroglyphic type lettering wrapped around the utter circumference of the lower part of the upper dome. And there's another personnel off to the left. He's the fourth guy. He was wearing that same parka here, and what he was doing is he was taking motion picture film footage of the entire event. What you're looking at Here on the bottom right hand corner is a napkin drawing of what Danny drew for me when I was sitting next to him four months at the restaurant. Of these hieroglyphic writings that were wrapped around the outer circumference.

55:20 Speaker 2: So let's go to the next slide. Here, what did the craft actually look like? Here? What did it actually look like? Well, we'll go to the next slide. If you look at Danny's napkin drawing, you can kind of see his rough drawing. So this is a side view tipped up at a thirty degree angle. You've got the dome there, you've got the hieroglyphic type writing, and then sitting right next to me across the table was Danny. Rudy was sitting right next to me as Danny was feeding us details. So Rudy started roughing out everything.

55:52 Speaker 2: So we've got the craft there on the upper drawing, we've got the people in place. I'm going to go to the next slide here, and this sh you the details that we wanted to put down. So the craft was thirty feet in diameter, came up at a thirty degree angle, craft had hieroglyphic riding on the upper dome. When this thing augured in it left a debris trail, and when it came to a stop, it built up a burn or kind of a debris section or mound of dirt on the right hand side. There were four men in the scene.

56:25 Speaker 2: Three had cameras, one had a duel rel motion picture film camera. Now he did not know the date or location of where this went down, sumber between nineteen forty eight to nineteen sixty one. I'm going to go to the next slide. All four men were wearing these winter parkas with the furry fringe flange. Three of them had these still cameras, so they were taking photographs of all of this. I'm going to go to the next slide. The fourth guy had a dual reel shoulder mounted motion picture film camera, so he was documenting this whole thing.

57:05 Speaker 2: This is a blow up of the symbols that we're seen on the bottom of the dome, and I'm going to go to the next slide. This is the cleaned up version of what these symbols actually look like here. So I want to take you through the refining process here of how we got to a complete refined drawing here, and we're going to start with Rudy's drawings, and you can see here this is kind of roughing it out. We've got the monuments in place, we've got the tip up angle. I'm going to go to the next slide here over on this one, you can see the burm built up on the right hand side.

57:42 Speaker 2: You've got the men in place. This is all in the rough stage, the kind of beginning stages of all this. This is almost a direct side view looking at the side of the craft tipped up. We've got the men in place here. Let's continue on now. We want to take a look at this one. This is the correct placement of the men in this scene, and you've got the correct dishaped craft. However, when we showed this to Danny, he said that this was not the correct orientation. So what we ended up having to do is rotate the whole scene one hundred and eighty degrees and you end up with something that starts looking like this.

58:25 Speaker 2: This is a direct side view, but if we keep rotating another ninety degrees, we're going to end up with something that looks like this. And this is what we use to go ahead and create the refined drawing, and I'm going to hit you with our refined drawing. And this has been confirmed with Danny as being the most accurate drawing that's been made with the exception of the actual photograph that he saw back in nineteen seventy seven at the Madison Building in Washington, DC. So this is about as close as we're going to get to the actual photograph itself.

59:07 Speaker 2: We've got the winter scene, we've got the fore men, we've got the winter parkas, we've got the dish shaped craft, we've got the still cameras, and we've got the motion picture film real So this checks all of the boxes.

59:20 Speaker 1: Here the any correlation between the symbols. Are we seeing any repeated symbols?

59:31 Speaker 2: Well, he definitely said that they were written completely around the utter circumference of the lower dome, and I believe there probably were some repeating symbols here. This is something that we could certainly clarify with Danny, But I don't believe that there were some repeating symbols.

59:47 Speaker 1: I mean throughout cases. So are we seeing any common commonality? I wonder if we probably wouldn't have that if we had access to all the information made sure, but because we lack that that's right, that's right, Ken, But yeah, that'd be interesting to actually know, like to be able to figure that out right.

1:00:12 Speaker 2: So I didn't want to just stop here, though. I wanted to see if I could take this to the next level and see if we could get some photorealism here. So what I ended up doing is I put out a call for a UFO crash Retrieval illustration contest, and I had entries from all around the United States. I had people that entered my contest from all over the world, and I want to hit you with some of the best renderings here. I will go through all the criteria, but it's that same type criteria had to be thirty feet diameter, had to be period correct.

1:00:45 Speaker 2: So let me hit you with some of our best representations here. Now, there is a theoretical limit to what results you can achieve by typing prompts into an AI image generator. You still need the human touch. So bottom line is, you know you can type prompts in all day long and you won't get exactly what you're looking for. You still need the human touch. So let me go ahead and walk you through a couple of the entries here, So this was one yep, yep. I was hoping for that reaction. So this is yep. This is you know, this was seen by Danny she and they have the microfilm real we know where it was seen.

1:01:26 Speaker 2: I mean we know it was at the Madison Building. And I asked Danny, I go, how did these get here? He said that they brought the files from off site. So obviously, wherever the classified files for Project Blue Book are, they were brought from off site onto the Madison Building site. So who knows where that might be Maryland, there could be another location, could be Andrews Air Force Base, but they were brought in off site. So here was the first pass by Sean Lenahan. This gives you an idea what it looks like.

1:01:58 Speaker 2: You've got the winter scene here, we've got the Parkers, we've got the four men, we've got the tip up angle, we've got the hieroglyphic writing, we've got the furry flanges. It's checking all the boxes. So let me go to the next one. Here. This is another version. This is by Ben Lewis. It's a reputable entry. The guy did a pretty good job.

1:02:16 Speaker 1: This is a good one too.

1:02:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all good. They all kind of have a different style. So let me go ahead and hit you with the winner here. This was the winner, so he won the prize, So this is Skyler. Stallings want to give him credit. And this is almost at the theoretical limit of what we can achieve with AI. And you know what you end up doing here is you use AI for your background. You use three D Studio Max or another three D rendering to get the craft to be one to one because you have to model the craft from scratch.

1:02:49 Speaker 2: You cannot type this in You'll never get it. And then you finish up with photoshop, which gives you the personnel and the equipment. So in point of fact, what you end up with then is a hybrid illustration. So now I want to hit you with a late entry. And this is what we came up with. This might be as close as we're gonna get to what this thing actually look like. You know, oh man, they recovered it. They recovered it, And there's pictures of this, there's motion picture film reel of this. All of this could be brought on in congressional hearings.

1:03:23 Speaker 1: All of it could be you hear that tim All of it speaking to you, mister Burchett, and I'm definitely gonna be sending them this episode, so.

1:03:34 Speaker 2: Well, please do by all means, By all means, uh, you know, we go ahead.

1:03:40 Speaker 1: Imagine seeing that, because how many pilots have said that they have seen, you know, a craft that look you know, I mean the term flying saucer. I know it was kind of convoluted, but these things, a lot of people describe them as like plate on a plate, stacked on a plate. And imagine what they see this thing flying through the air or agging down, you know, like I just, oh my god, it must be it must be like not real, like you don't think it's real life.

1:04:19 Speaker 2: It's got to be surreal when you come across it in real time.

1:04:21 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean imagine being that guy with the with the camera just like what the hell am I looking at right now? Like it's real? But yeah, geez man.

1:04:34 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, all right, let's continue on here. Okay, So next one sixty four million dollar question, where are the top secret files on UFO crash retriebles being stored? So if centers and congressman, if you want to know, here is the location they are kept in three large computer banks spread throughout the country. Number one right Patterson Air Force Base, Date in Ohio. That's no surprise. Number two see I Headquarters, McLean, Virginia. Number three NSA Headquarters, Fort Meet, Maryland. Now within the stringfield collection.

1:05:07 Speaker 2: The witness had a two page report about this and he said at the bottom quote they will bend in any direction to keep them secret. So again, why senators and congressmen can't get access to it is because we're dealing with the big players here. We're dealing with the varsity team. They are not going to let this out easily. So we need to have people in Congress that have teeth, that have authority, that have power to breach this cosmic watergate, or we're all going to be here another fifty to eighty years and they're going to keep on kicking this can down their oad and we still won't know what's going on.

1:05:42 Speaker 2: That's why it's the final curtain call on UFO crush retrievals. This is it, this is it, this is it? All right, continue on location of where et craft are being stored. So we already talked about the files where that is. Now we want to talk about the craft number one, CIA Headquarters McLean, Virginia, McDill air Force based Tampa, Florida, Seymour Johnson Air Force based Goldsboro, North Carolina. So there's three locations.

1:06:10 Speaker 1: Now, all three of these locations, especially especially the IA Headquarters in Virginia, they would need to have some sort of underground facility, correct, I think in order to properly do this secret stuff like this, if it's this high level. Would you be surprised if any of these locations had underground facilities that were not known to the public.

1:06:41 Speaker 2: That doesn't surprise me at all at.

1:06:43 Speaker 1: All, interesting because it really it's something I've always thought, Uh, you know, we hear about it from from many, many many people that there there's there potentially is even a connection can acting tunnels to certain Air Air Force bases, And I don't know what merit there is to that. But these three locations, I mean, they're not going to be keeping UFOs where Google can see them.

1:07:12 Speaker 2: Oh well, it's been said that anything important is underground, So that's kind of what they state there now. Next one see one nineteen Flying box Car, Sierra Madre Valley, Mexico, nineteen fifty one. So I believe this was around nineteen forty eight time frame, because in the report it said it was prior to nineteen fifty one, so I'm thinking nineteen forty eight. The primary source was an engineer and he worked in highway construction. This is page thirty two in the book. At least two et bodies were recovered.

1:07:43 Speaker 2: So you've got this construction engineer. This craft comes down. The United States Military flies in in a box car, flying box car, and they ask assistance from this construction engineer. Now, how big is the craft? It's simple, it's a mathema certainty, we know how large the craft was. How do we know that? Simple? All you got to do is take a tape measure and measure the interior wall distance of the sea one nineteen flying box car clamshell aft entryway doors and that's nine feet ten inches wide.

1:08:18 Speaker 2: So by default the craft cannot be anymore than nine feet across because you need five inches of clearance on either side. So this is a small craft. This is not a large craft. Go to the next slide here. So here's Rudy's drawing of them kind of pulling the craft on a ramp into these back clamshell bay doors. On the Sea one nineteen flying box car. I'm going to take you to the full color rendering now, and now you can see Joseph rendering of what the scene might look like. The bodies are in the foreground.

1:08:46 Speaker 2: They were burnt badly. It was not for the faint of heart. And then you can see the clamshell doors are opened up. I'm going to do a blow up of the loading process and now you can kind of see the craft being loaded into the aft bay of the flying box car. Now, when the primary eyewitness knelt down to where the bodies were, and I'm going to move on to where the bodies are, he said that they were very small statued, very small. Their bodies were burnt, so this again was not for the fainting part. And when he kind of went down and touched their faces, their skin came out on his fingers.

1:09:26 Speaker 2: So this was a gruesome sight. They were badly burnt, according to this primary eyewitness, and they probably have these bodies as well, and some type of storage facility may still be at right Patterson Air Force Base. Who knows, or they might have diversified their portfolio.

1:09:43 Speaker 1: Go ahead, well, so I don't I know how I've had him on the show before. He did just ask a question, do you know what Richard Dodi asked about? So he wanted to clarify evidence that u apps are stored at those three locations. So you're I think he missed the part that so you're pulling from Leonard Stringfield's book.

1:10:12 Speaker 2: I'm pulling from Leonard Stringfield's book, and which has which has one hundred and nineteen crash retrieval cases from first hand military witnesses that loaded the craft onto trailers and also participated in retrieving the bodies.

1:10:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he followed it up with we know some are stored at NTTR and Lockeed location. Now, I think it's fair to say that that would that would be true. But again, you're just pulling from a certain data set.

1:10:40 Speaker 2: Correct, Correct, This is strictly Springfield.

1:10:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wanted to clarify that for for him and for anyone else who is wondering popping popping in late.

1:10:52 Speaker 2: It's from the book that we showed in the very beginning here. Okay, Now, next one Naval Air Station, Sunnyvale, California, nineteen fifty Hangar one radar operator is our primary source. This is page case B five, page fifty seven. Two points to think about on this one. Number one, this hangar still exists. Number two, it's so large it has its own weather inside. That's how big this hangar is. It actually has its own weather.

1:11:20 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, yeah, it's got to happen zip code too.

1:11:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. During World War Two it was used as a storage facility for blints. You could put multiple blimts in this thing. That's how big this hanger is. So our radar operator he kind of goes through this off limits double door. When he gets inside, he's challenged by a guard. But he did see a large one hundred foot diameter dish shaped craft on the hangar floor, and it had a little bit of a low rise dome. There were a series of porthole windows wrapped around the utter circumference. He was challenged immediately and then was s kurt it out, but he did get to see it.

1:12:01 Speaker 2: When he got home later he told his mother quote it was certainly no aircraft of ours, is what he said. So this is coming from this radar operator at Hanger one. So we want to do the full color rendering something like this was seen by this radar operator. In hangar one. So very interesting.

1:12:21 Speaker 1: Go ahead, not elevated at all, just kind of resting.

1:12:25 Speaker 2: Sitting on the hangar floor. Yes, sitting on the hanger floor. Yep, this is according to what he stated within the Stringfield collection. Now next one Pentagon nineteen fifty two, Off Limits room. This is a Pentagon office worker, page one in the book case one. So we've got this office worker. She's at the Pentagon. We believe she went to an underground basement. There is a basement at the Pentagon. She kind of goes into this dark, dusty, murky room. It's not well lit. There's some cardboard boxes.

1:13:01 Speaker 2: She kind of makes one hundred and eighty degree turn, and what does she see. She sees a pickle alien in a large glass jar, and she shocked to her core. She can't believe what she's seeing. Within a matter of ten seconds, she feels this hand on her shoulder. It's an MP telling her to get out of the area immediately. But she did see this et in in a large jar, absolutely shocked to her core. So I thought, let's see if we can do a full color rendering to make this kind of come alive. And this is what I came up with which may have been seen by this office worker at the Pentagon Basement.

1:13:39 Speaker 2: Now we want to answer the question, is there really a basement at the Pentagon? Is there such a thing? Is there such a thing? Well, it turns out that our good friend Dick Cheney got lost in the basement of the Pentagon. So this Peninsula Times Tribune March twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine's chief gets lost in the Pentagon Basement. So he was at one of the upper floors in a meeting. He was trying to get to his car. He went into the elevator, the elevator dropped down when they opened up. He thought he was going to get to his car, but he kind of got lost in this basement.

1:14:15 Speaker 2: So, yes, there is a Pentagon basement there where they could store who knows what. And we've heard rumors and speculation that different craft debris have been stored at the Pentagon Basement, So it would checks out here.

1:14:29 Speaker 1: How about you want to bet that if that was the first time he'd been down there, it wouldn't be the last.

1:14:36 Speaker 2: That's probably true.

1:14:39 Speaker 1: Speaking of people who you know might have known a thing or two, mister Dick Cheney, everybody.

1:14:46 Speaker 2: There you go, okay, continue on Camp Polk, Louisiana, summer nineteen fifty three. HJ. We have his name. He's a private in the Army. So this is another one of these first hand military witnesses. Case A one page eighty in the books. I'm giving you the reference to page number. The case numbers you can follow along here. Now he saw the entire retrieval operation from beginning to end, and he said that this egg shaped craft came down. The whole soil area was still worn to the touch. This thing was about thirty feet across.

1:15:20 Speaker 2: It had a fin that was wrapped around the outer portion of the craft itself that was still rotating when he got there. Now, he said that one humanoid being was carried out of the craft in a stretcher. There were three additional ets that were walking out of the craft being aided by medical personnel. The medical personnel were helping out the other three. They were about three and a half to four feet tall, oversize head, oversize eyes slit for them up minute nose. They were wearing a one piece green type fitting flight suit.

1:15:55 Speaker 2: They had mittens on and they had helmets on. Now, I also want to mention that they had no knee joints. They could only bend at their hips, so they had this step staggering as they were walking across the ground being helped by this medical personnel. So let's go to the next slide here, and Joseph has kind of really made this come alive. I'm going to give you a full color three D rendering if we were there when this all went down. I'm viewing a little bit closer here. Let's go to the next sliding.

1:16:26 Speaker 2: They all had these one piece, tight fitting flight suit. They absolutely he said, they were wearing helmets. They had what looked like mittens on and you can see our boys, our medical personnel are helping these ets out of this craft. Let's go to the next slide. Their comrade was being carried off into the back of an ambulance truck, and there was some type of communication going on between their fallen comrade and the others coming out of the craft itself. I'm going to blow this up a little bit closer now so that we can see the fallen comrade and he was being carried off into the ambulance truck.

1:17:02 Speaker 2: Now, what happened to these beings? That's what we want to look at, now what happened to the survivors. According to the source, these survivors had been sent to a hospital and put into isolation, but all soon died. He also learned that the cadavers were sent to a medical center near Washington, d C. What is this medical center near Washington, d C. That we've heard so much about associated with bodies associated with autopsies technical X ray reports. Well, it's none other than Walter Reed Army Medical Center that closed in twenty eleven.

1:17:47 Speaker 2: So that is the place where the bodies were sent autopsies where there medical reports almost ground zero for a lot of this. Now there's another location as well, John Hopkins Hospital, localtion of et autopsies that's talked about within the stringfield reports as well. So these two facilities absolutely had bodies when all this is going on. The reports, the bodies, tissue samples absolutely at these locations. It's it's talked about multiple times within the stringfield collection.

1:18:21 Speaker 1: Oh, I wonder, huh m hm. That's interesting because if I mean we're carrying them out, we're bringing them to hospitals, I mean, are we at some we're progressing on in the years. Do you think that we in the span of time that you know we started talking to them at any point or are we just these things? I know we're kind of speculating at this point we're going out of the work. But I mean, they're ushering off to hospitals, and is this all for observation and human gain?

1:19:09 Speaker 2: I can tell you. I can tell you from a source that I have, and her source was her father. Now this doesn't address your question about communication, but her father was high level military brass. He was crying uncontrollably one day and this woman went to her father and said, what's wrong, Why are you so upset? All he would say is, quote, a handshake has been made, so we have made contact. According to this source, there's no reason for this guy to lie. Now, I'm sure they probably establish some type of two way communication, be it through mental telepathy, something else, or an outside external box that they could translate language.

1:19:56 Speaker 2: That's possible, But at the very least contact has been made. A handshake has been made. All right, Let's move on to the next one. This one I really like. This is right Patterson Air Force Base, nineteen fifty three. I'm going to give you his name, Michael Olvie, Army Reserves Warrant Officer, Page fifteen, abstract number eight in the book. So it's right Patterson Air Force Base, nineteen fifty three. I believe it went down at Hangar Complex number four. The very last bay is bay. So you've got this four engine cargo transport DC seven.

1:20:31 Speaker 2: That taxis up onto the tarmac at right Patterson Air Force Base, probably pulls right up to this hangar. And I'm going to go to the next slide here, and this shows you the DC seven with the aft port cargo bay door opened up, and picture this entire scene going inside the hangar. Now, so once the DC seven taxis up onto the tarmac, the whole aircraft rolls into the hangar, the hanger bay doors close, cargo bay door opens up, and then a forklift starts unloading these pallets. On one of these pallets, he said that there were three crates, three wooden crates, and he was standing a couple feet away from this when all this went down.

1:21:15 Speaker 2: These three crates had their top lids pulled off, and so he's looking inside these crates and what did he see. He saw three et bodies about three and a half to four feet tall, all wearing a one piece tight fitting flight suit, oversized head, oversized eyes, slit for a mouth, minute nose. He said one of them had breasts, so he believed it was female. All three were being suspended off the bottom of the crates by a white colored netting to protect them from the dry ice freezer burn below. And he's looking at all of this, he can't believe this.

1:21:53 Speaker 1: Now.

1:21:53 Speaker 2: He also heard about debris also being transported in the same DC seven well, so there were other crates nearby that had debris from this crash retrieval. So what I want to do now is I want to use this as a guide and we'll go to the full color rendering. And this is what we came up with back in nineteen fifty three at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. So if we have congressmen and senators in Washington, DC that want to know about what was retrieved, they could run this case to the ground because we've got the bodies, we've got crates of debris there.

1:22:28 Speaker 2: All of this could be brought out in congressional hearings.

1:22:32 Speaker 1: So the boxes were marked the box of it.

1:22:36 Speaker 2: The boxes had debris within them associated with the crash retrieval.

1:22:42 Speaker 1: Right but in the artistry, is that a liberty that was taken or.

1:22:48 Speaker 2: This is something we put on there, This is something they probably stamped it with something.

1:22:52 Speaker 1: Okay, it with something. Yeah, you see what I would be a little thwarted to say that something marked top secret wouldn't have a cover on it.

1:23:05 Speaker 2: Well, in this case, the covers were pulled off as the forklift was dropping this down to the hangar floor and he was in the close proximity. His report is about two pages long and he describes this whole thing in great detail. So what I want to do now is I want to increase the angle of orientation and give you a ninety degree top view looking down. And now we can see these bodies in closer detail here. And this is all from this warrant officer. No reason to doubt what he said. No credible witness.

1:23:37 Speaker 1: The middle one with the breasts.

1:23:41 Speaker 2: We believe. So yeah, we have to be period correct here. But this is this is what he described.

1:23:46 Speaker 1: Yes, this is what is a good a very So we're seeing that most of these beings that we've seen or that are documented in this book, they are humanoid to some degree, humanoid looking, yes, yeah, okay, So you're.

1:24:06 Speaker 2: Humanoid looking right? Correct?

1:24:08 Speaker 1: All right?

1:24:09 Speaker 2: So reference number sixteen alien autopsy performed at Walter Reed Hospital. The cadaver was described as being three feet in height, with a large head, protruding brow, sunken eyes which wrapped around the side of the face, very long arms, gray skin. Source pathologists at the Cleveland Clinic via doctor Stanley Typco nineteen fifty two to nineteen fifty three. So here's another reference of this Walter Reed Hospital associated with the bodies here. Now, I want to talk about what they look like.

1:24:43 Speaker 2: So within the stream Field collection, there's three pages devoted to autopsies, pathologists report, medical doctor reports, X ray technician reports, and they give you details of what the bodies look like. So I got some bullet items here. Three and a half to four and a half feet tall, two round almonds, sunken in eyes without pupils, heavy brow, ridge, large hairless head by human standards, no ear lobes, no definitive nose, small slit for a mouth, very thin neck, small torso, wearing a metallic flexible garment.

1:25:19 Speaker 2: Arms described as long and thin, reaching down to the knees, hands having four fingers without a thumb, slight webbing, short and thin legs, no toes. Skin color beige tan brown, tan, pinkish gray. So if we take all of this information from the first hand medical doctors and the pathologists report, and we incorporated this into a drawing, we're gonna end up with something that looks like this. And I believe this is the most accurate rendering based on the medical reports of people who autopsy these bodies.

1:25:55 Speaker 2: This checks the boxes. We've got the oversized head, we've got the brow ridge, we've got the rep wrong eyes, we've got the webbing between the fingers, we've got the emaciated body parts, arms that go down below the knees. Here, it's checking the boxes. So this is page forty six in forty seven within the Springfield publication. Want to give you the rightnesses of getting this.

1:26:17 Speaker 1: And this actually kind of reminds me of the Virginia

1:26:23 Speaker 1: being at a little the three ridges. Just some similarities, but interesting a little bit.

1:26:31 Speaker 2: Yep, a little bit. So let's see if we can commit this to a full color rendering and something like this is being recovered by our military personnel and being sent to Walter Reed Medical Center. At least I would say four cases within springfield collection minimum. That's a minimum of four cases, all right. Next one Walker Air Force Based, New Mexico, April twelfth, nineteen fifty four. This is a photographer. He was only eight years of age. But this guy was a genius. This is an Air Force photographer.

1:27:05 Speaker 2: He served between nineteen fifty four nineteen fifty five. It's page eighty two in the book. This guy was only eighteen years old. He knew about cameras, exposures, settings. He was a genius about cameras. Now I want to mention that Walker Air Force Base used to be called Roswell Army Airfield home with a five or ninth bomb Group. We're talking about the same place here. It's just renamed Walker Air Force Base. So what happened? Well, he was told to board an H nineteen helicopter. It looked just like this photograph that i've shown right here.

1:27:39 Speaker 2: He was with three other members of his team. They bore this H nineteen helicopter. They closed the door over the PA address system. The pilot says, quote, men, this is not a drill. This is a red alert scramble. So they take off from Walker Air Force Base. They had northbound the major highway is too their right. They make a forty five degree left turn. They're heading northwest toward Corona, and it's starting to get a little bit darker. They go over this little bit of a hill and what do they actually see.

1:28:10 Speaker 2: Well, they came across a fifty foot diameter, dishshaped craft that augured in at about a forty five degree angle. He's hovering above this scene in the helicopter told to open up the doors, and now he's taking photographs because this whole helicopter is shining a spotlight down on the scene, and he got very close up photographs of this entire scene. Now, again, this thing was fifty feet in diameter. It has a series of multicolored lights wrapped around the outer circumference that were still rotating.

1:28:42 Speaker 2: It had a low rise dome on top. He could see that there were four bodies laying near the craft. Now, next thing is the helicopter lands near where this thing came down. And the second that he walked out the helicopter, two things became readily apparent. Number One, the entire localized area had this pungent odor of automobile battery acid. That's the first thing. It had, this battery acid smell. Number two is that he saw lights approaching the where this thing came down. This was the beginning of the retrieval operation.

1:29:23 Speaker 2: So there were trucks, through transports, there were jeeps. I mean, he was there before they got there, and these were the lights approaching the area. Now, when he got out of the helicopter and was walking toward the craft, he couldn't walk any closer. There were military police there telling him you're not supposed to get any closer. But he also found out that there was an additional two bodies found inside the craft, for a grand total of six bodies recovered. I'm going to take you to the full color rendering and this is what we came up with with full color rendering.

1:29:53 Speaker 2: Here shows you what the scene looked like back in New Mexico nineteen fifty four timetrain. And this has all been commanded by photographs. They got very close high res photographs of this entire scene.

1:30:05 Speaker 1: My god, my god. M hm.

1:30:11 Speaker 2: So go ahead.

1:30:15 Speaker 1: So does he not He didn't even touch Roswell in this book.

1:30:21 Speaker 2: He talks about Roswell in the book.

1:30:22 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, all right, I just hadn't seen it. So this is New Mexico. I mean this is these are this is the craft. Uh you know that many people report seeing uh and and I find it interesting that uh they're they're auguring in and there there's been so many reports. So what what what's the explosion? Why? Why are these things here? I'm just I gotta. I know it's a the the million dollar question, but man, I got I would want to know.

1:30:59 Speaker 2: Well, well, if we go back to the research of Harry Drew, who is the expert on the Kingman not crash retrieval but soft landing, he clearly indicates that there was a triangulated radar range with very high powered radar where there was a corridor where these craft king flying by, and somehow this high powered radar system interacted with the navigational system on this craft and it slowly settled down. And that may be what we're seeing in a lot of these cases where there might be a high powered radar, there might be a directed energy weapon, there could be a scaler weapon that are being used to target, track and shoot these things.

1:31:39 Speaker 1: Down right, getting That's what I like to address the most is people are like, well, you know, again, these things are so advanced, why are they coming down. Well, we might have an answer in the you know, check out the locations. They tend to be military bases, absolutely important ones, you know.

1:32:07 Speaker 2: Well five or nine bomb group. Yeah, yeah, of comic bomb, so it would be very important. Absolutely. Here the other Roswell nineteen fifty five across the Texas Mexican border south of Langry, Texas. So I want to give credit credit to Noe and Reuben who did all the lake work tracking this one down. In a nutshell, what we've got are four B forty seven's heading south bound near southern Texas, heading westbound. They're being escorted by sixteen F eighty six saber jets. All of a sudden, this dish shaped craft goes right by their flight path.

1:32:46 Speaker 2: And this one day of F eighty six, which you see in this illustration. Here he peels away from the flight group and he watches as this thing augurs in just south of the Rio Grande River. He makes a left hand turn. I'm going to go to the next line, and you can see the pushpin. Here is Eagle's nest. And you've got the Texas Mexican border, you've got Rio Grande, and we've got this thing narrowed down plus or minus two hundred feet. We know it came down south of Langry, Texas, on the Texas Mexican border, just south of the Rio Grande River.

1:33:20 Speaker 2: And so where you see this eagles nest. If you go just a little bit south of that, on the other side of the river, that's where this thing came down literally probably plus or minus three hundred feet. So once he makes that left hand turn and starts heading northbound, where did he go? Well, he landed at Carswell Air Force Base. He got out of his F eighty six saber Jet. He drove to course at Canna Municipal Airport that you see on the upper right. He was joined by a friend. They both pile in a two seat tail dragger Auranka and fly back to the crash site before it got dark.

1:33:55 Speaker 2: So I'm going to take you there now. So now we've got our primary witness as his friend. They've landed. That's what you see in the right foreground. The craft was twenty five feet in diameter. It left a debris trail as it came in. It had a dome on top that flipped up, tipped off and was further downrange. Now there were multiple about ninety Mexican military personnel at the scene. And what I thought was interesting is Reuben told me that the Mexican military was going off into the back of the six by six troop transport that you see in the upper left of the drawing.

1:34:34 Speaker 2: They were pulling out blankets. They were laying the blankets down onto the warm debris, and once the blankets were warm, they were taking them and wrapping them around their bodies because it was still getting a little bit cold out. I thought that was a very interesting historical case. Now there were yep.

1:34:53 Speaker 1: Go ahead, that is such a that's like one of those details that you just don't like, you can't script that you know.

1:35:05 Speaker 2: You can't script. I know, I thought that was a historical point. That's something that you really think, wouldn't think that'd be a hoaxed little type of a historical detail. I think it's very interesting. Yep. Now, there were at least four bodies recovered. They were mangled and burnt. So if you see the whole breach on the side of the craft, I'm going to zoom in here and take you a little bit closer to the side of the craft here, and according to Air Force pilot Robert Willingham, who's our first hand witness quote, their arms looked like broomsticks.

1:35:37 Speaker 2: So these had these emaciated body parts that we talked about before on the other side. So I'm going to go to the full color rendering here and this shows you the scene. This is back in nineteen fifty five south of the Rio Grande River. You can see the debris trail, You've got the dome popped off. And what I want to do now is view a little bit closer to where our prime eyewitness looked inside the hull breach. And this is what we came up with. It was not for the feint of heart. It was a gruesome scene, but that's what he described as he looked in the craft just across the Rio Grande River.

1:36:12 Speaker 2: All right, now, next one right, Patterson Air Force Base, nineteen fifty five. Our primary eyewitness is Missus G. She worked in the Foreign Materials Division. Information provided to Leonard Streamfield via Charles Wilhelm. This is page seventeen Abstract twelve in the book. So think of this as being the closing scene of Raiders of the Lost Arc Indiana Jones, where they have this big warehouse and all this shelving. She worked in that kind of an environment here, so right, Patterson Air Force Base, nineteen fifty five, Missus G. And I'm going to take you to War Operations Building two fifty eight.

1:36:55 Speaker 2: This is almost identical to the environment that she worked at. Now, according to Missus G, she cataloged one thousand components that were coming in from the interior of a recovered UFO, And I'm going to repeat that a second time. Her job was to catalog one thousand components and hardware that came in from the interior of a UFO crash retrieval. So when we hear about senators and congressmen, well we don't have any evidence, we well go talk to Missus G. She cataloged a thousand components from one of these things.

1:37:34 Speaker 2: So it's her word against the government. So I'm going to go on a little bit further here. Now, this is Rudy's drawing that documents kind of what they had set up. They had this thing set up like an assembly line. So when the debris came in, they had one gentleman that was taking photographs of the debris. Then they moved it to the next station, and this guy was bagging and tagging the debris. Then they moved it over to Missus g and she cataloged it. Now, obviously, if you have a thousand components, you've got to have shelving.

1:38:06 Speaker 2: You've got to have room for everything. So we started populating all of the shelves with all this ET debris. Now, I don't know what it looked like right, I wasn't there. So we had to come up with something that would kind of like document what this may have looked like. Now while our primary eyewitness is getting all this recorded, she said that there was a mobile Dolly cart that went right by her desk that had two deceased ET corpses in formelde hyde preservation fluid go right by her desk. She saw these two et corpses, and just before she died, she said the following quote, Uncle Sam can't do anything to me once I'm in my grave.

1:38:49 Speaker 2: Six months later she died. We got her testimony just in time.

1:38:54 Speaker 1: Damn. But so Congress can't go talk to missus.

1:38:58 Speaker 2: We can't talk to her now. But the degree is there, the catalog is there, the records are there, the photographs are there. It's all there. It's all there. A thousand components were recovered.

1:39:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, those things don't just go missing.

1:39:11 Speaker 2: No, they don't. They don't go missing. So here's our full color rendering of what this may have looked like. So you got Missus G kind of in the background, right, You've got the photographer, We've got the preservation of the bodies, We've got all the different debris populating the shelving here. Something like this back in nineteen fifty five was going on at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. And we want to honor the testimony of Missus G. Because she's a pioneer, she's a patriot. Why would this woman lie?

1:39:41 Speaker 2: Why would this woman lie? She knew she was dying of cancer and she let it all hang out. Why would she lie? However, I want to mention that we don't have to rely on Missus G. Alone. We have an independent second source that backs her up. Okay, I want to take you to June Crane. People that are involved in this type of research know about June Crane. She grew up in Dayton, Ohio. She was intimately involved in the librarian system. Just a credible woman. Worked for the United States government between nineteen forty two to nineteen fifty two, worked in classified laboratories.

1:40:18 Speaker 2: She had a Q clearance. She held ET debris at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Stated that by nineteen fifty two, the US government had been involved in three UFO crash retrieval operations. Spoke to a pilot that stated that he flew in ET bodies and wreckage. So if you want to know more about her, this book talks about it. Tell my Story June Crane Air Force and UFOs by James Clarkson. He interviewed this woman over a period of four years and took detailed notes of exactly everything that she told him.

1:40:51 Speaker 2: Very credible witness. When you put these two women together, now you got yourself a case. Now you cannot deny it anymore.

1:40:59 Speaker 1: You know both that right right, right field?

1:41:03 Speaker 2: Both Patterson Air Force Base.

1:41:05 Speaker 1: Yes, very intriguing, yep.

1:41:08 Speaker 2: So why why would she lie? She's involved in the reference library, her name is on the plaque there to this day. She's a very reputable woman. No longer with us. But again, why would this woman lie to her to us? No reason to lie to us at all at all.

1:41:24 Speaker 1: Had had a Q clearance, I.

1:41:26 Speaker 2: Mean clearance, yep.

1:41:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, those people tend to be and people forget, like how patriotic it, you know, to be an American After World War Two, you were very proud to be an American and your country and honor. That meant something to you. So for these people who had those clearances to come out later in life after seeing kind of what happened with that information in that material could be very telling.

1:41:58 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you got it actionable item. Since over one thousand components of physical et hardware exists, this evidence should be tracked down by senators and congressmen with the appropriate security clearances and should be presented in open public congressional hearings. That's what needs to happen. This hardware needs to be put into congressional hearings. It's there.

1:42:23 Speaker 1: It's there, mister, mister Birchett. That is one thing he did say is he said he's not going to stop until they can wheel the smoking gun in front of the public like that. That's what he wants to do, is he wants to be able to roll something out and say there it is, just so you guys have it. You know, there's your extraordinary evidence.

1:42:51 Speaker 2: So I hope that's the case. I hope that's the case. I think we've got time for two more here. So this is retired Air Force pilot late nineteen fifty fifties interview conducted by Ed camerat Junior. This is a five to six minute movie clip, and what he talks about is seeing a sixty foot diameter dish shaped craft about ten foot wide, gash on the upper dome. It has a series of windows wrapper on the outer circumference, and he saw within this six minute film clip it kind of cut to another scene. So the first scene was the interior the hangar with the craft, and then it cut to another scene that showed this display panel with iconology.

1:43:31 Speaker 2: There were lettering, there were symbols, there were star charts. There, there were three bodies recovered about five feet tall. That's within this six minute film clip here. And I'm going to do a blow up of what we believe to be the propulsion system and one of these display panels. I'm going to take you to my full color rendering so that we can kind of make this come alive and something like this was document. They've got this on film too. So not only do we have the bodies, we've got the craft, we've got the eight x ten black and white, glossy photo and we've got the motion picture film reel to back all this up.

1:44:03 Speaker 2: So this kind of gives you an idea what this may have looked like within this five to six minute film clip. Here, all right, this is another one rite Patterson Air Force Base, nineteen sixty two, and we're dealing with a group of transient pilots, so credible witnesses, at least five pilots. They were part of the three hundred and fifty fourth Technical Air Command Fighter Wing right Patterson Air Force Base, nineteen sixty two. This is page eighty eight in the book Case A six. They're jogging down the row of hangars.

1:44:35 Speaker 2: One of these hanger doors was opened up. They run inside because they're looking for this fourth wall to complete their handball court, and they walk into this fifteen foot diameter dish shaped craft. It's propped up on two engine test stands, and there is military police with weapons guarding this. And what one of these guys as to one of our pilots I thought was very interesting. I'm going to go to the full color rendering kind of gives you an idea of what this may have looked like back in sixty two at right Patterson Air Force Base.

1:45:09 Speaker 2: So like, as we go through these, the craft count goes up, the body count goes up, and it's no longer a deniable issue at this point because we've got first hand military witnesses. But I want to hit you with what this guy said. Here's what he said when he was challenged by this guard here. He said the guard challenge by saying, I don't think you're supposed to be here, sir, I replied to the affirmative, and we turned about face and departed, mumbling to ourselves that the good old US had developed or had all along flying saucers in service.

1:45:42 Speaker 2: So here's another one of these cases where you've got military pilots actually seeing flying saucers in these hangars at right Patterson Air Force Base. Okay, we'll do one more. Braniff International Airways here this plays a role.

1:45:59 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Well, I find that story you just told that one to be very in the realm of what we just spoke about. Right, he's patriotic. He turns around and he's like, hey, at least it's us who has them, right, you know?

1:46:17 Speaker 2: Correct? So that's why that case it just rings true. Why would this guy lie? Why would he lie all right? Reference number fifty three, nineteen sixty three. Source is PJ. We have his name. He originally served as a captain in the Navy, and later he flew for Braniff International Airways. He was at right Patterson Air Force Base back in nineteen sixty three. He encountered two flying saucers in a hangar there. One was thirty feet in diameter and could hold twelve. He said there was a second craft that he said could carry two.

1:46:52 Speaker 2: So he saw two flying saucers inside a hanger at right Patterson Air Force Base. And we'll kind of wrap this up with this case from Ryan Wood.

1:47:02 Speaker 1: Here.

1:47:02 Speaker 2: This is Santa Rosa, New Mexico, Spring nineteen sixty three. This is page two one seven in his book. Our primary eyewitness was a radar. She was an X ray technician. She was not a registered nurse. She was an X ray technician. She was twenty four years of age. A call came from the dispatcher about a crash of an unknown craft across town. So she piles in with the doctor into one of these nineteen sixty three four Galaxy ambulance cars. They drive across town and when they get there, what does she see number one.

1:47:41 Speaker 2: She sees two squad cars at the scene and there's two police officers. She gets out and her first thought was where are their parents? She sees at least three et bodies three and a half feet tall. They look like children, and so they load up the bodies into the back of the ambulance. They've drive this back to the hospital, and then something very interesting happens. Here's our full color rendering that gives you an idea of what this may have looked like. This is by Thomas Chain. I did one as well.

1:48:14 Speaker 2: I don't think it's as good as what he did, but this kempt us giving idea of what this scene may have looked like at the crash scene itself. Now I want to hit you with how this kind of ended here. Within an hour of arriving at the hospital, the United States Air Force arrived and ordered all three bodies to be removed. They also confiscated all paperwork, notes, graphs, charts, and even undeveloped X rays. The X ray technician said she saw a flatbed truck outside with an object that was covered by a tarp.

1:48:45 Speaker 2: So not only did they get the three bodies, but they got the craft as well. Now here's where this Air Force colonel came in and told her this quote. He told her this did not happen. You are never to speak about this. And remember this. The government has a long arm. So what I want to do in this presentation is just give you a brief overview of some of the mission critical crash retreatal cases within the Stringfield collection. The goal here is to make these cases come alive and preserve an important part of our national history by committing these two well referenced and refined drawings and full color renderings.

1:49:27 Speaker 2: And I want to thank you for having me join you today.

1:49:31 Speaker 1: Well, I would love to. I'd love to follow this up with you know, the rest and and go through more of that research. This was really really fun. I personally love this kind of you know, it's a presentation. It's it's fun for me to I kind of just get to kick back and make make my comments and learn most of those cases. Actually, I would say ninety nine of those cases. Ninety nine percent of those cases I did not know about. It's because you're right, the Stringfield books are very I mean, you have to be strict in how you read them.

1:50:13 Speaker 1: They are heavy reading, Like you said, so, I think it's a tremendous benefit that you have gone in and kind of extrapolated some of the data and brought that data to life for people to see and hear. So again, I think the work that you're doing is absolutely tremendous.

1:50:32 Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it.

1:50:34 Speaker 1: Where can people if they want to find more about your research, if they want to hear more about your research and get a good look at it, how can people do that?

1:50:45 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm on Facebook, I'm on x and I'm also on YouTube. My YouTube channel is just my name Michael Schratt.

1:50:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll link them all below. That way, anyone who is listening in the future, you guys can check out Michael on all of his platforms. As we like to say, Michael, uh, you've been our best guest thus far. Every guest is the best thus far, you know, and uh we truly, we truly appreciate what you've done for the topic of UFOs, how much of your time that you've you've put into it. And I just want to remind everyone that it's going to take all of us to uh run the ball into the end zone. You know, it's not a one player game.

1:51:33 Speaker 1: It's gonna take you know, it's gonna take us all coming together. So keep keep up the great work, Michael, and we'll definitely be talking soon. Okay, thanks a lot, all right, guys, And for everyone else, make sure to like, share, subscribe, and if you're listening on any one of those amazing podcast platforms, please leave us a review and you can rate us like with the five stars, and sometimes you can then leave a written review. You'd be surprised at how much it helps. And it's free, so get on it.

1:52:05 Speaker 1: Keep your eye to this guy, because you never know what might fly by or apparently crash. All right, guys, see you next time.

1:52:14 Speaker 2: Cool h