UFOs, The Simulation & Religion. Feat. "FOX"- TOTAL DISCLOSURE

0:03 Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name's Ty I'm your host today. We're doing something a little bit special. Instead of having someone from the UFO community on like I normally do, or a scientist or an experiencer, I thought it would be cool to just have a regular person in a regular conversation. That's saying be a regular person. But I just I've been watching a lot of Theovonne lately, and some of his best episodes are with people that aren't like famous or like have this aura or you can this thing about them.

0:48 Speaker 1: So I'm joined today by my friend Fox's going on. Guys, This is Fox, and he's gonna join me for a nice little conversation. We're gonna talk about, you know, general stuff. We'll talk about the UFO topic, paranormal stuff. We'll get into all the things I normally do. But we're gonna have a good time doing it. I'm just opening up the studio, so we're kind of working out some kinks at the same time. So I hope you guys like it. Make sure to like, share, subscribe if you're watching on YouTube, if you're listening on one of the great podcast platforms, make sure to leave a follow and you can do something super free and leave us a favorable review.

1:29 Speaker 1: It really helps the show helps with that pesky algorithm. And that's it. I mean, let's go, let's go. What's up Fox? How you doing? Brother?

1:38 Speaker 2: I'm excited happy to be here. Just every time I'm back in here, it's a it's just like so overwhelming with like good vibes and yeah, it's so much fun to be here. Yeah, I love it.

1:48 Speaker 1: So people won't know, but we did an episode before about a week ago, a little bit of a trial there. But that, yeah, so I might have I might have I don't even know. I might have had a little bit too much THHD in my body. And the cameras, both cameras were on Fox, not me. Not even one was on me, and you couldn't see me. It was just you could clearly tell the kinks were we weren't worked out. Let's just say that. But really, thank you for being here again. You know, I think I think it takes a brave soul to come and sit in front of the microphone and have a two hour conversation.

2:30 Speaker 2: So thank you for having me. It's nice to be able to get out of my comfort shell, and it's it's nice to do it with you know, good people. So it's like it's warming and thralling and you know, overall positive. So it's good to do right.

2:43 Speaker 1: And so some of the stuff that we're gonna talk about obviously we kind of touched on last time, but again for the sake of everybody, you're just gonna do it again.

2:52 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:52 Speaker 1: So your name's Fox. Yeah, Now obviously my my the only other person I know that's named Fox. Who Why who named you that? And is there any reason behind it?

3:07 Speaker 2: Yeah? That was my mom and my dad who they had me. I was born in ninety five, so like very nineties child. They named me after Fox Moulder from the X Files, all about the extraterrestrial, all the you know, the unknown, the secrets, the like you were saying before, the paranormal everything, all the way to bigfoot NeSSI all those extra things that you know, people immediately disregard because it's you know, out of their realm of capability of being able to you know, see it, you know, conceive of whether or not something like that could actually be real in our world.

3:36 Speaker 1: Do you think? So it's so fucking cool to be named after Fox Mulder.

3:43 Speaker 2: Right, spooky Molder.

3:45 Speaker 1: Like that that alone just gets you to the like it brings you to the opera Acheloons in my in my book. But how do you I mean, as a person who's not like maybe read in I say read in like like we're talking about like the d O D or something. But someone who's not like super into UFOs and like always up on the news and stuff like that, do you think what's your thoughts? What do you think they exist? Do you I mean give me your give me your elevator idea?

4:17 Speaker 2: Yeah? I believe so, especially after what we were talking about last time, was because I did go and find that video because we were talking about it's still one about the guy who talks about needing a skiff to be able to provide all the genetic information that he has that's not human life forms, and they're just like okay, And then I just look at through in the in the comments and everyone's just like, yeah, they're still waiting on the skiff.

4:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's still so. He he worked for the I mean, he was a military did tours and then was part of the National Reconnaissance Office and he and he put together the daily briefing for the president, right, and then so he's doing that. This guy's clearly like, you know, trustworthy. You don't just get to that position. Yeah, yeah, you know how it works. You don't get to a position like that without earning it. And to be in that kind of role, it's not an elected role, right, You literally have to earn it.

5:16 Speaker 1: It's not somewhere you don't get elected into it or or appointed to it. You earn it. So that's the they end up going to him and every after. Shortly after the first UFO hearing in Congress, Congress called for basically every intelligence community, every every intel agency to have someone that they could talk. The UAP Task Force, which is what they were creating. Unidentified Aerial Phenomena the new word for UFO, so because they wanted to get away from the baggage. UFO kind of means little green Man in most people's minds, so they changed it to UAP sheds that baggage and it kind of allows for a broader topic.

6:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, whereas UFO's Unidentified Flying object, right, UAP is unidentified anomalist phenomena. That means, I mean it could be in the water, it could be trans medium.

6:15 Speaker 2: Kind of like the SCPs. Yeah, yeah, just like any form of something with which we don't have the ability to fully comprehend at the moment, but are capable of, you know, witnessing or experiencing in some degree. Yeah.

6:28 Speaker 1: Yeah. So that guy gets designated to be the liaison between the UAP Task Force who's looking into what our government knows, what our military knows about UFOs, mandated by Congress, mind you, and he finds all this shit, all of it. He gets told by many people that there's this legacy UFO program with a reverse engineering technology. He forty fifty people he interviews. That's where he gets the information that he talks about in his yeah, in his congressional testimony. And so Congress has been trying to get him into a skiff, which we talked about.

7:11 Speaker 1: You know what it is. A skiff is just a it's an electronic room, secure electronically secure room. Nothing gets in that is, you know.

7:19 Speaker 2: Like radio wave.

7:20 Speaker 1: Radio wave doesn't. Yeah, it's a it's.

7:22 Speaker 2: A what goes in that room and is said in that room does not come out of that room in any way, shape or.

7:26 Speaker 1: Form, unless yeah, exactly. So they were three years later, they still haven't got him in the skiff. Yeah, and why do you think that is?

7:36 Speaker 2: Because they don't want they you know, they're not ready for it.

7:38 Speaker 1: But the Congress isn't ready for it. Yeah, it's that the private aerospace companies who have all everything to lose, yeah, everything to gain, right, those are the people that the because the government doesn't do anything, the government doesn't name till anything in they contracted out. So they contracted all this stuff that they collected in these these you know, because what do you know about Roswell?

8:11 Speaker 2: Uh? Just what do you know? I say, Roswell is Roswell in New Mexico with the like the crash landing site boom.

8:19 Speaker 1: So if you'll pose crash, who do you think has that material?

8:24 Speaker 2: Definitely the government?

8:26 Speaker 1: And who do you think they're given it to to figure out?

8:30 Speaker 2: Scientists and Lockheed Martin who.

8:33 Speaker 1: Lockheed Martin Aerospace Company north of Grumman lock Aerospace Company. So you're going to because because as a government agency, maybe there something came around Jamie pull up. I'm gonna look it up right now. But you can't foil a private company.

8:55 Speaker 2: What do you mean?

8:57 Speaker 1: Freedom of Information Act?

8:58 Speaker 2: So oh, you can't get out.

9:01 Speaker 1: I can send a form into the CIA, and I and say, I want every every reference to this at this time in any context, and they have to give it to you.

9:13 Speaker 2: But not with a private company. And that's what they the aerospace companies are as private, so they give that all that stuff them, so they can't they don't have any legal obligation to share the information that they have.

9:23 Speaker 1: Good okay, So.

9:24 Speaker 2: Kind of like kind of like a modern day terms of service for like, you know, the stuff on your phone exactly in the in the fine print.

9:32 Speaker 1: Very similar. Right, So that's what we're up against right now. Eisenhower on his way out of the of the now, this guy was a general during Normandy, you know, like he stormed the beaches of Normandy. You know, this guy does not so like Eisenhower as a president.

9:52 Speaker 2: Yep.

9:53 Speaker 1: It's not like he didn't know how important the military was. The military saved the United States. Military saved the world from Hitler and and and and that way of life, right, the Nazi way of life. That that dictatorship that communists, you know, they know they weren't even a communist. There was just a dictatorship. Communism was was was the Soviet Union. But needless to say Eisenhower. It's not like he wasn't he didn't understand how important the military was. He does, but he also saw how dangerous it was becoming that they were contracting with private companies because there's supposed to be what our country is built on, checks and balances.

10:38 Speaker 1: Bro, If you don't have those checks and balances, where as good as Nazi Germany, where as good as China and under Kim Jungln. You know, like, if there's no checks and balances, there's nothing. So like that's what we're up against with and a lot of people like you know, no offense, a lot of people that don't understand the topic or don't want don't always talk, you know, they're not always in it. They don't understand what we're up against. And what you guys have been fed is propaganda. Yeah, that UFOs are all little green men coming to touch your ass and anal probe.

11:16 Speaker 1: You like, that's the disinformation. Yeah, that's the disinformation part. Have you ever seen anything crazy?

11:23 Speaker 2: No? No, I always like, look, I'm always like trying to like hope for it, Like when I go like camping or something or from like by myself. I'm always hoping for something but I've never gotten but you are looking yeah, like I'm always hopefully because like we also talked about that too. Growing up, I was like always watching you know, cartoons in movies, so I was always like into the idea of the realm of whatever else is out there. I don't want to disclose that because someone tells me it doesn't exist.

11:47 Speaker 2: Could you prove it? I mean, just because you can't see it, We don't know. Same thing with extraterrestual life, just because you can't see that there's no life just by looking up at space. I mean, like, does that really rule out that the possibility that I can't be there light years away because you can't.

12:01 Speaker 1: See it, right, I see? I like how you think, Yeah, because when you look at it like that is it's you. You stop seeing the world is black and white, yeah, and you start because I feel like the biggest trick, the biggest, one of the biggest like stunts ever pulled. Actually, this is a really good segue. So it's kind of funny to me that you know, when you're young and your parents lie to you about like the Easter Bunny and Santa and all the imaginary fairy tale creatures that make everything seem magical.

12:36 Speaker 1: The day you find out Santa Claus isn't real is the same day that they tell you Jesus is. Yeah, that's the one that's real, the one who fucking split water apart, made wine out of water and oh no, Moses split the red seat. Yeah sounds so bad, but like they lie to you, your your whole childhood about Santa Claus and then they tell you, but Jesus is real.

12:59 Speaker 2: Yes, So it's like, if some of this is real, like, if this is capable of happening, why wouldn't these ones be?

13:06 Speaker 1: The other thing that to me seven years about Santa Claus. You think I'm gonna believe you now, but some bearded white guy that hangs out in the sky and like makes all of my wishes come to if I ask nicely. Yeah, bullshit, bullshit mom.

13:21 Speaker 2: The other thing that it gets me too, is like the idea of uh. The other thing that that it gets me is is like there's always the Schrodinger's like box, like with the cat. Is the cat in there? Or is there no cat in there? And that the idea of that can transcend, transcend into just the concept of you know, you doing something slightly different creates a whole other parallel universe. And if if you can create infinite universes, who's to say that one of those doesn't include some of that stuff. Whether or not we're at a point in our timeline that we even know it, like what if it's what if?

13:52 Speaker 2: This stuff is real, but we're just not meant to see it for years in years and years and years because of some some uncalculated reason that you know, we couldn't comprehend. But it doesn't mean it's not possible.

14:03 Speaker 1: Because you ever seen a million dollars?

14:05 Speaker 2: What do you mean?

14:05 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a million dollars in cash in front of you? One million dollars? Do you know it exists?

14:12 Speaker 2: I've seen No, I don't know. I would assume O.

14:15 Speaker 1: Come on, you know it exists? Yeah, you know one way? Yeah, but you've never.

14:20 Speaker 2: Seen it true?

14:22 Speaker 1: Interesting huh yeah right, yeah, So it's it's it's for me. Reality is simply a construct we've agreed to prowl.

14:31 Speaker 2: Right. So my mom.

14:34 Speaker 1: Raised me to never really see the world as black or white. When I saw my UFO, when I told her, she wasn't like you saw balloons, you saw God, you saw a plane. She was like, bro, you saw UFO And I'm like, what the fuck is the UFO? And she's like, well, we don't. We don't really understand everything. So she like let me know early on, and I kid about the SAYD and stuff, but I don't. I also don't because like, yeah, that lied to kids for many years about these magical creatures and then we expect them to not be remorseful and they find out that the.

15:16 Speaker 2: Press that's teaching them how the world works.

15:20 Speaker 1: And then they forced you to go to Sunday school. Yeah, my mom brought me to Sunday school one time. After we left, I'll never forget this. After we left, she goes, she looked at me and she's like, are we going back next Sunday? And I like looked up at her with this. It must have been a look disdain, disdain. She goes, not going back there, and I know I didn't think everyone. She never forced it on me, which I think allowed me to kind of. It doesn't stand through a phase where I was like, God's not real, Like I went my like what I call I don't know what I call it?

16:05 Speaker 1: Like if you know, we just die and there's nothing. Yeah, like I was like so and I was so sure about it, but also I'd be the first one to be like, please God get me out of the situation. Please, God get me out of the situation. Right, Yeah, that dichotomy fucks with me.

16:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the thing. I mean, Like, religion is it's tough because at some points I feel like it is very productive to have, but at some points I feel like it's a crutch that causes us to you know, not necessarily look at what's in front of us. I'm actually good right now, I'm vibing. Yeah, I'm gonna grab one of those in a second though, But yeah, yeah, because religion is just it's tough. I do think it's like, you know, it's nothing as ever, like we were like, the whole entire topic nothing is black and white.

16:49 Speaker 2: So I mean, like it goes into points of yeah, it can be restricting, but for the right person and the way that they perceive it could be you know, flourishing. And so it is weird to have the like fine line with how you know, like you see people on the like walking on the sidewalk with it it's the end of the world science because they're like God spoke to me and the world's ending tomorrow, and like, okay, that's one end of the spectrum. And then you get people who are like, well, God came and found me at my darkest hour and I completely turn and chained my life round.

17:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, but that's see, that's the thing is. It's like, that's painting the spectrum of how like, you know, it's it is so weird about how like distinct the influences can be and how it affects us both short and long term because you know, again, no one has that proof to you know, distinguish it. And then you get people that you know, start questioning stuff like that. So it's it's it's a tough Yeah, that's the thing. It's it's good. It's good to question. And that's what that not looking at the world in black and white is is, because it's not questioning things.

17:44 Speaker 2: A lot of people, I feel like nowadays take it as it's negative to question things because you know, that's you showing this faith.

17:49 Speaker 1: Well, if you question it, that means you disagree, and if you disagree, then you're my enemy.

17:55 Speaker 2: That's what today is like, Yeah, it needs to be people need to go back to just being able to have like a discussion without having some alternative like means to it. It's just like, actually, you know, take it for what I'm like, you know, saying immediately and you know the emotions that I'm portraying to the words that we speak because we're so like distracted with our phones too. Is like we're more about typing out a conversation as supposed to having it, and that also creates us you know.

18:17 Speaker 1: Is not crazy.

18:18 Speaker 2: I don't think about this more, you know, face to face talk.

18:22 Speaker 1: I feel like, put your phone down and do this right. So, and I'm being genuine when I say it takes a legitimate person to be able to actually sit in the chair and have a conversation, because there's one thing. It's one thing to sit in the chair, but it's another to hold the conversation. Yeah, and it's it's another thing to be able to hold the conversation without every twenty seconds being like.

18:47 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah ah and door fit.

18:51 Speaker 1: You know, and think about this just because Mark Zuckerberg like that guy. I honestly, I'm I have a lot of questions as my friend because you know how he's like, you know, he's like he's Aspergers or whatever or whatever.

19:07 Speaker 2: You I have no idea. I don't see it I know yet. In fact, I've seen that movie that they did with What's Social Network? Yeah, I've seen that movie. It's just been so long since I saw that.

19:17 Speaker 1: With All Life the World, Yeah, where everyone now lives with a social like how a socially inept person lived, like wants to live isolated but still connected. Right, It's it's it's the isolationist dream. Double down on the COVID. Yeah, COVID gave people excuses to lock themselves up and then not see the world, and that does something to you.

19:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why. That's why it's the worst thing you can give someone in prison as the solitary Yeah, because you're cutting them off from any source of like other person. So that's like when you start losing it because you talk to yourself because like you don't have other people to convey and you know, be empathetic with.

20:00 Speaker 1: Did you know did you know some people don't have a voice in their head?

20:08 Speaker 2: Yeah? That was one that we were talking about, and that that one's always.

20:11 Speaker 1: That freaks me out, man.

20:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's do you have a voice in your head?

20:15 Speaker 1: You have?

20:16 Speaker 2: I have the inner monologue.

20:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have the inner monologue. I found out. I did a little bit more researching. That's funny because I think we're, like I said, we're probably better equipped this time around. I did a little bit more researching into that, and apparently it's like a mute form of your voice. So you're actually still speaking, it's just muted.

20:37 Speaker 2: Huh.

20:38 Speaker 1: But the vibe, yeah, you we'd have to look Jamie pull just I'm gonna make that.

20:44 Speaker 2: I'm like, I hear like I'm picturing the way that like the synapses fire.

20:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's like hitting mute on the TV. It's still coming through, but you've just you basically cut the A and the V out of the A V. Right, It's still coming in. The code is still coming in, but you've just muted it, right, the same way I can mute your microphone right now.

21:08 Speaker 2: That would be something to go into because that brings up the question is if it's just muted, does that mean that they are they're aware of those thoughts but choose to not listen to it, or are they just forcefully like have they muted it? Yeah? Have they have they done it? That's too Yeah, you do it enough?

21:22 Speaker 1: Time.

21:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, because that also would be a good way, like if I mean a good way, I don't say it as a good thing good way, but like as a defense mechanism, good thing for a brain to shut off that internal monologue if for some reason, you have a parent that does not encourage your growth and tells you that the things you're doing are so wrong. Well, whether it's verbal or physical. I mean, if you tell a kid they're doing everything wrong enough times, they're just gonna stop doing anything because they are waiting you to tell them what to do, because all they know is what you say is right.

21:48 Speaker 2: So why bother thinking to begin with?

21:50 Speaker 1: Wow, that's deep man, Yeah, do you think conscious What do you think about consciousness?

21:56 Speaker 2: I was actually thinking about that on my drive over here. I was like thinking to myself, I was like, okay, like how where because I like to do the with my own monologue. I like to do like self reflection type of thing and be like, you know, okay, acknowledge where I'm at, acknowledge you know this is what I'm doing currently right now. And then for some reason I was just like, but like, where where are these thoughts coming from? I mean, like I know that We're made up of cells, and cells are meant to survive.

22:17 Speaker 2: So if the cells are meant to survive and it comes from the cells, where does that process come from the cell? Okay? So the cells of somehow managed to formulate themselves into an organ of your brain when I should now gives you the ability to do all the compartmentalizing and stuff. Okay. So if it came from cells in some form of DNA, where it from that DNA cell creation in you know, the forming of a human does that create the ability for you to actually be able to process something with processing?

22:43 Speaker 2: So it's like, there's that's the It feels like you have a start wall in an m wall, but that gap in the middle is a floating void and you're like, how did we get from here to here? And how is there no bridge? But you needed to get You needed to get from here to here, otherwise we wouldn't be where we're at to even conception it.

23:00 Speaker 1: You know, I interviewed someone like I interviewed a cult guy. Obviously you know you were telling me about that one. But I interviewed they know, they think they know the reason, they think they know what the bridge is. They think that the aloheme, which are it's from the original. Now forgive me if I get this wrong, guys, someone will correct me. But in the original Judea Bible, like the original Jewish Bible, I think it's called the.

23:30 Speaker 2: Not the Tora. Right.

23:32 Speaker 1: What was the original jew Bible that sounded. I don't know. It starts with like a k or something.

23:44 Speaker 2: I thought it's not the Koran, right.

23:47 Speaker 1: No, that's that's like Muslim. But anyway, or maybe maybe maybe maybe you did just say it, it's.

23:52 Speaker 2: Not I'm not too like versed in like I know, I know of, like you know, faintly of their books, but I don't necessarily know to which risk active religion.

24:01 Speaker 1: You know, well, mention it never says God, not once. It says the Elohim, which is in translation, they say, so the Bible that was trans translated, they translated it to God, right, and Judaism, the modern Torah whatever it is, it says God. But originally it was the Elohim eloheim. If you break it down from like the ancient Greek means messenger from the sky, not not singular plural plural messengers from the sky. What does that sound like to you? Yeah, Aliens aliens from above. It's funny. So they think that the elohim genetically So they were scientists and they enhanced DNA that was already here.

25:03 Speaker 1: It was already created, thriving, and it was already proven to work. Right. We talked about the one hundred monkey.

25:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was actually just yeah, the evolutionary track.

25:12 Speaker 1: Once it's possible, it's possible, right. That's why like when a record, when a when an athlete shatters a world record, someone usually comes right up behind that shatters it. Because once it's possible, it's possible. Right, So once life creates that five pointed you know.

25:32 Speaker 2: The yeah, yeah, it's Vinci.

25:34 Speaker 1: Da Vinci's uh you know the five side.

25:39 Speaker 2: I should.

25:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's possible everywhere, right, It's possible everywhere. So now it's in that genetic library, so it's happening here. Well, that's gonna be recreated across space time because quantum entanglement shows us that when two Adams are intanged, whatever happens here happens here at the speed of now, not at the speed of night. No delay in the speed. That's why I say the speed of thought. Yeah, because the speed of thought.

26:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, instantaneous, you don't think about the thoughts, and if you do, you're still those thoughts that you're using to think about them are instantaneous as well. It's still like use your brain. It's like a computer with zero zero time between processing any form of task.

26:26 Speaker 1: Quantum computer.

26:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, doing it that fast. Yeah.

26:30 Speaker 1: And you brought up shirting his cat earlier. Yep, right, someone who's about to sit in that very chair. Riswan Verk. He's a MIT scientist and I connected with him. He's been on h Jesse. I think he's been on Jesse Michaels Shout Out Jesse. He's been on like Chris Ramsey's Area fifty two, I believe. I know he's been on Julian Dory's podcast. I know he's been on Danny Jones. I'm not sure if he's been again. I think it might have though. But he's a simulation theory got and so you know the old saying like if a bear shits in the woods.

27:09 Speaker 2: And no one's around to hear, it doesn't make a sense.

27:11 Speaker 1: Really If a tree, yeah, it's the same thing, the same thing. Yeah, So he argues that it doesn't exist unless someone's there to observe it.

27:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of like the NPC theory of like if it's not within your within your site, it's it's not loaded. It only because it was waste waste entergy. Yeah, that's why it's why it's so tough for a lot of people to be able to process the fact that on the other side of the world right now, other things are happening because you don't you see it. You only see it through TV and through like radio waves if you hear on the podcast.

27:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, think about the act.

27:45 Speaker 2: Well, I can't. I have no idea the validity of it. But I got like an advertisement or something to the day where it was like, oh, such and such just created the first three dimensional world like our AI simulation of the Earth, like down to a t really yeah, steroid basically yeah, And it's like it's kind of like just taking i don't know, like something out of like an old spy kids movie where it's like you pop up the hologram of the Earth and like when you zoom in you can see like if there's a person on like Fourth Ave in New York walking around, you zoom in on that person, it'll follow and track them around the thing.

28:18 Speaker 2: So it's supposed to like I think it was an AI simulate or AI program that's being used to develop a three dimensionally rendered version equivalent to that. I don't know if it's, like I said, I don't know the validity of how extensive it goes into if it's like gonna fall to people like that, but I would assume that they're not gonna just go, hey, we just made a three three dimensional rendering of the Earth if it didn't have something unique to it, because we can automatically just do CGI shit. So it's there has to be some like because there has to be like I think it was like Samsung or some shit, because like maybe they have the ability.

28:46 Speaker 2: It's like since it's a phone company that could do like radio wave pinging, and it like is able to you know, make a three dimensional map kind of like Google, but just with populated Yeah. Well that's the thing is because because you can now put into that three dimensional model the equivalent of an A that's like Okay, now you're you're taking all kinds of data from your average regular people and compiling it into a genetic form, so you can make an algorithm that produces a completely random person that's doing whatever they're doing so it's basically like a giant GTA, like you were saying.

29:14 Speaker 2: And so it's like and the thing is is that with the programming, it would get to a point where you could go in there and you could talk to a person and it would use the AI script that's already in there to generate in that character said a response based off of whatever you wanted to say. So it's the equivalent. You could put that headset on and start going in and if you have a microphone, it's gonna start input hearing this. But you're literally almost like one step away from the matrix without being stuck in a tube that's only sucking the nutrients from your body to fuel something else.

29:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you a question. If this is a reality, If this is a simulation. First off, funniest writers ever hoop whoever? If we have some If we're a simulation, I gotta give credit to the writers, because you guys wrote a fucking amazing story. Right, there's drama, there's bullshit, It gets the perfect story. Put Donald Trump in the presidency that will screw everything.

30:09 Speaker 2: Hidden lore in the back of our history that people are still discovering.

30:13 Speaker 1: The fucking United healthcare CEO. Right, like all and then drop a plague. Drop a plague on the motherfuckers. Let's see what happens, right, and like, shout out to the writers, bro, Like shout out to the writers, goddamn, you done well, Like you deserve an oscar for this one. But would that really because would that change that? I just felt that would it change your if you phoned out tomorrow? You see that?

30:50 Speaker 2: No, I think it's lightning out though I was gonna.

30:53 Speaker 1: Say, bro, that's crazy. So the writers just gave us a little sign the matrix writers. Damn, none of the cameras are point out that way, but flash. Yeah. So anyway, if we found out tomorrow that this is in fact the simulation, all of it's fake, would it really change anything? Do you think people would just like burn this ship? Do you think we just party till.

31:22 Speaker 2: They I think a lot of people would would stop, like holding, Yeah, we might be getting too dangerously close.

31:31 Speaker 1: I think we're getting too close in.

31:34 Speaker 2: Because I'm like, I'm thinking of myself, like technically at that point, if we were to all find out exactly, I think that there'd be a lot of chaos because people would be like, what's the point of doing my job. I'm not gonna go, what's the point I'd be sureing up.

31:44 Speaker 1: Here, but the bills eventually come due.

31:47 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing is. It kind of depends on when you're told that. It's everyone needs to find like an outcome too, because it's like.

31:56 Speaker 1: Bro, it's fucking biblically out there.

32:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're touching on some stuff.

32:03 Speaker 1: This is weird. Yeah for okay, so you guys probably can't hear that because the microphones are not going to pick that up. But it's starting to like like like it's thunder, like loud rumble thunder, and uh, it's just bringing that.

32:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's coming down pretty heavy out there. I can hear it through the window too.

32:19 Speaker 1: Oh Jesus.

32:20 Speaker 2: Anyway, So with the double matrix theory thing that actually, I mean, I think it would be pretty chaotic. But the thing is is it depends on the scale of everybody finding out because like I was watching, I was getting clips funny enough from the Matrix on my phone the other day and one of them was about how Neo goes to see the oracle, and when he goes to see the oracle, he basically has He's like, well, what's if you know that I'm going to take this pill, what's the point of me taking the pill? And it's I saw a good response into it in the comments that someone was like, well, it's not a matter of whether or not you should or shouldn't make the choice.

32:52 Speaker 2: It's about that you're going to make the choice. You're just doing it right now so you can find out why, why did you make that decision? And if it's already predetermined, sure that, yeah, it's predetermined, but where you are conceptually right now to understand the process with what you're in it, then you could yeah, yeah, good call, thank you, and yeah so that is uh yeah. With doing it that way, it's like it's okay if you did it one person at a time, as opposed to like, let's say you what a mass like release of everyone and being like, hey, this is a simulation.

33:23 Speaker 2: If you did it in a mass style, I think you would get a lot of chaos because you get a lot of people that I like that same they don't care about the bills that are that are coming because if it's a simulation, then that kind of who cares. Yeah, so, but if you did it one person at a time, and you gave them that explanation where it's like, Okay, just because you're gonna have to pay the bills and you'll die and you might have a shitty life, it doesn't matter that it's that's gonna happen no matter what.

33:43 Speaker 2: It's you understanding why it's happening, and you know, being being able to being able to process it. I want to say, like I don't want to say right way, but like you know, a healthy way to like be like, okay, this is and just you know, accept what is, because there's there's only a certain point of doing read in life where you like can't do anything, Like there's some situations where your hands are literally tied. You can't do anything, and you have to just accept it. And it's your process of whether or not you're gonna accept it comfortably because you know, what could you do but fight it or you know, go along with it?

34:15 Speaker 2: Like I kind of like how zen is, Like if you're drowning in a fucking ocean, are you going to fight the current? Are you just gonna go with it because it's gonna happen anyways. So it's it is definitely tough because if you know, well I feel like for me, it would probably just I'd keep doing what I'm supposed to be doing. But I feel like it might take a little bit of the stress off because it'd be you think it would help, Yeah, because I feel like if I was like, if I was told that it was a simulation, I mean, like, everything is going to continue the way it's supposed to be, I wouldn't necessarily question about whether or not the ending is pre written.

34:44 Speaker 2: I just wouldn't care. I'd be like, Okay, that's just kind of you don't. Yeah, I just be like, Okay, that means that this is when it's gonna happen. So I'll just do what I'm doing. I'm gonna go about exactly what I was doing the right way I was supposed to be doing. Because if it's if it's in a simulated world, that means that this is scripted to happen. Why fight it?

35:00 Speaker 1: Oh? Man? I think I think you might have broke the internet just right now.

35:04 Speaker 2: Listen.

35:04 Speaker 1: What the fuck is the That's what I mean, that's my point. If it's a simulation, what is that?

35:11 Speaker 2: What?

35:12 Speaker 1: What what can we do right now? Like? What changes? This is still ability to live? This is still what we're gonna be able to do. This is still what I can touch, This still is gonna taste the same, even though I know it's not real, because what the fuck is real? Anyway?

35:27 Speaker 2: Well, that's an it's I just was. It kind of just popped in my head too, because if if you were told that it's a simulation, you wouldn't necessarily worry about like lineage and like history that you're leaving behind. You'd worry about what you're doing right right now and what you already have to be given you like, because your simulation, I mean, it's gonna it's gonna be That's the thing. I mean, like it takes off a lot of pressure and it gives you the freedom to be able to go, Okay again, you just go, you go with that flow, and who knows where that would bring you, and it might bring you to somewhere that you're supposed to be then and then again that that can also be like cause that being in a simulation, it really depends because who knows at that point with what happens with the information that you've collected, Because then that opens the other door to Okay, if it's a simulation, then how what's the equivalent of like, when you do die, is is it like, are you just you know, rewritten into another person?

36:14 Speaker 2: Yeah? Like is that why reincarnation is the thing? Is because some of us get written into a new person, but sometimes a little bit of coding gets left behind and now you get deja vu flashbacks.

36:22 Speaker 1: Ah, Bro, you just touched on some one of my old my old app my I used to I had this big compendium of because I graduated the year before the world was supposed to end.

36:33 Speaker 2: So we talked about this.

36:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, but no one's gonna know. No, no one see that that.

36:40 Speaker 2: Technically, that foot is just an alternate reality.

36:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, we know it exists, but they don't.

36:48 Speaker 2: Also, there could be in the in the theoretical world, when that camera turns off, who knows that that could have presented an entirely other universe with what happens when like the camera turns off and we walk away to that great infinite universes Where I punched the hole in the wall and then pete on the floor and left, or is there another one where I dove out the window or is there a one where I just casually walked down the stairs but tripped in eight. Shit, it's like so many different infinite possibilities because one small thing happens, which also kind of goes with the butterfly effect of you know, if you touch one thing, it could spawn an entirely different chaotic you know, path in time.

37:19 Speaker 1: Right, which, So going back to what you just said about the that theory, So they like specifically with DejaVu, I have this theory that because you've had DejaVu right, Yeah, like where it's almost like it's.

37:39 Speaker 2: Like, wait a second, it feels like you literally just repeated that exact moment, Like it feels like you had a double skip and you like pulled yourself back and pulled back, but from a different it feels like you weren't there to begin with. But we were like, oh I I am here, I just experienced this. Why does this feel like I just do it? Did this again? Like a tear?

37:57 Speaker 1: What if you the same reason? See, I don't.

38:02 Speaker 2: I don't.

38:02 Speaker 1: I believe that reincarnation is probably real because the universe is not. It's it's a lot of things, but one thing it's not.

38:09 Speaker 2: Doesn't waste yea, it's not wasteful.

38:11 Speaker 1: It's new, it's not not wasteful. So whatever consciousness is in our form, I think that the same reason instinct exists. Right Like a baby sea turtle is born on in the in the sand on the instinctively goes right to the water. How does it know? Tell me how the fuck does it know to go to and and and how is it?

38:44 Speaker 2: No?

38:44 Speaker 1: To do it as fast as possible because the birds are gonna be.

38:48 Speaker 2: From like right out the eggs immediately know.

38:54 Speaker 1: To get to the water quick as possible. Boom boom boom, and the animals all around. I can go into so many. Most creatures on Earth are born ready to live. Humans are really the only exception.

39:08 Speaker 2: You're pretty defenseless, pretty defenseless for how many years? Quite a few? Yeah, right out of the gates of screaming, screaming in the middle of the woods and like rolling back and forth like our minute. Yeah, something would be like, oh wow, dinner's calling me. I've seen those videos where like there's a kid that say likes pressed up against a glass window for the backyard, and you can just you watch the mom zoom into two bright yellow eyes like a mountain lion that's in their backyard eye and their kids a snack like a separate him is a thin piece of glass.

39:39 Speaker 1: Makes you really question why are we here? Yeah, because every other creature seems to serve some sort of purpose. The bees, they pollinate the flowers like down. People don't think mosquitoes do things, but mosquitoes do actually do things.

39:55 Speaker 2: They're technically a food source. Yeah, for other things.

39:57 Speaker 1: I think we might have brought this up last time too.

39:59 Speaker 2: It's tough.

40:00 Speaker 1: It's tough because wait, wait, I don't want to lose this, because I will lose it. Instinct and deja vu are clear indicators that you are a human. You'll always be a human, right. That's you've been in these scenarios countless times that yeah, maybe you're having some sort of glitch in the matrix where you're seeing like, oh shit, I have been in this situation before. How did like, how is it that you instinctively will know to move left versus you know what I mean? There's all these things deja vu instincts.

40:30 Speaker 2: Like. Another good one for that too, is also the capability of like zoning out while you're driving, like I was driving, Yeah, literally because I was I was autopilot zoning out just looking at the sky. Wow, I just drove three miles and almost missed my exit because I was just like fully focused on autopilot. And how did I manage to just drive on the highway at regular highway speeds while not even really paying attention like it's but still doing it is you know safely in those.

40:54 Speaker 1: Things you're doing while you're driving too, how many mill action that you take? Like, because all time is is just a bunch of naves compiled upon each other, right, so you know how many knaws are happening? Yeah every single second? Now no, no, no, no, So you're making a conscious decision, like physically or subliminally every moment you're making that you know whatever, so the like. And that's why I don't think a human will become like a dog. I don't think that that kind of stuff happens.

41:33 Speaker 2: Like another species becoming more of a like cognitive predators domesticate us.

41:39 Speaker 1: And then hear me out on this. Now you look at everything, like I said, so so now we now we let's go on the assumption that reincarnation is real. Right, you're you're a human. You might be a female, right, still human that might that might switch today's day and age it don't even matter.

42:00 Speaker 2: Could be like a thing with the force where it's like you're genetic, you're genetically not predisposed to be any gender if you were to be reincarnated, because it just it's maybe that's where that comes it's providing whatever the universe needs. Maybe that's where it comes from.

42:12 Speaker 1: Like it could explain where this idea of a woman trapped in a man's body comes from, or a man

42:20 Speaker 1: right attachments that you couldn't let go of or whatever. So this explains a lot of ship And then I'll take it a step further again. We look at all the creatures of the Earth. They all feed the ecosystem of life. They all do something to sustain environment going right, except us, And they tell us if evolution is if evolution is true, they're trying to tell us that we shed so we stood upright off four legs, only to have massive back issue. Right, We shed our fur only to need pelts in the winter.

43:05 Speaker 1: The sun burns our skin, doesn't burn any other thing on Earth. It's like, yeah, like biological.

43:16 Speaker 2: Well, the thing is everything else that's evolved has evolved to understand that it can't withstand those conditions and has a defense mechanism. About it up, Why are we the worst suited?

43:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, because is our biological clock more tuned to Mars? These are all I think we came. I think listen. I do not want to sound like I agree with the cult people, but I really do think. Look at Mars. We know that it had an atmosphere at one time it was more earth like than Earth now, right, it was more. It was actually in a better.

43:55 Speaker 2: Spot, had water and everything.

43:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it was a little cooler. It was so the way that it wasn't where it is now, and Earth wasn't where it is now. Things were shifted a little bit up right, is what they say. And there's that giant scar across Mars. What happened. I think the ancestors or whatever life was on Mars was sophisticated enough to have a couple podships that left. And I think that's who people mistake is God, the sky people that the Native all cultures around the world seem to talk about this, our origins being the Eloheem the star or Native Americans called them the sky people, the ant people that came from the sky.

44:48 Speaker 1: They taught civilization and then we built monuments to them like the Pyramids stuff like that. That's why the pyramids like they've they think they found pyramids on Mars. Yeah, they think they found obelisks on Mars. I think there's a good chance human beings originated on Mars, and and we came here as we because we knew something was about to happen. There's actually a huge radiological signature on Mars too. The isotopes and the glass that are on the surface have been analyzed and it seems like a nuke went off there.

45:26 Speaker 2: That could be where the creative came from.

45:28 Speaker 1: Think about it.

45:29 Speaker 2: This is also could pan into the whole reason why you were telling me about the story with the with the Cold War, with the nukes arming and disarms, because they already knew what happened, and it already happened, and now they're just like, no, not again.

45:44 Speaker 1: Now you're thinking. Now you're thinking, right, and your average person doesn't think about this? Why do you? Why wouldn't they? And why are we labeled crazy because we do?

45:57 Speaker 2: I think it's it kind of pans back to the thing I was saying to the last time is that people don't have like the time for it because they know that they only have so much finite time in their life to be able to, you know, relegate to certain topics and subjects.

46:12 Speaker 1: But isn't it like like doesn't it just come with consciousness, like wondering about if we're alone and what happens after we done?

46:20 Speaker 2: Know? Because I mean some of those people out there in the world are the black and whites. They just either whether or not they were not raised or whether or not they yeah, I mean NPC's black and white, whether they were not, you know what's sort I'm looking for it, like they weren't raised to actually question and think about things and you know, use their imagination whatever it may be. There are people out there that just don't care for it, don't want anything to do with it. They have their their regular nine to five, go to work, come home, make a microwave TV dinner, and then maybe go golfing with their friends on the weekends, and that's their entire life until they die.

46:53 Speaker 2: Maybe find a wife in there, have a kid, send to college. That's all that those types of people are and they're okay with that. That's the thing they don't Well, there are people that just.

47:01 Speaker 1: They take one vacation a year and it's still.

47:03 Speaker 2: Like there are people that are thoroughly okay with it. And that's the thing.

47:07 Speaker 1: We kind of need that too, don't we.

47:09 Speaker 2: Well that well, yeah, because if you had all of them, it would make a lot of these ideas that we have not as unique and not they wouldn't stand out to be criticized because everybody would be saying them. And then so now you really wouldn't know whether or not someone's saying it because it's their opinion or if it's because there's so many other people out there that they don't even know which one of them is right. If everybody's doing it right, because like if everybody, if everybody had their own theory, like actually, like if every single person on the planet had their own theory in some way, shape or form, it's start telling someone else about it.

47:42 Speaker 2: And then now you got everybody going around telling things that they'd it's basically you wouldn't You couldn't. You could not be able to distinguish whether or not someone because it's like it would end up being cell phone tech. You get so many people that are just like, this is what I think it could be, This is what I think it could be. That now Okay, you don't even know where to start on how to be to try and to cipher which one of these we should be as a collective species working on with Again, still the very limited, Like most humans only live to about one hundred years.

48:07 Speaker 2: Anything past one hundred, even if they're still alive, they're not really mentally cognizant enough to be able to make those striving leaps in technological you know, gaps and education. And if they are, it's, you know, it's it's minimal, it's it's much more you know, diminished because of their age. So realistically, as humans, we only have a certain finite amount of time to work with what we want to spend our time with. And some people like, yeah, I've with all the odd jobs I've lived in my life, I've met people that are like cashiers at the salvation Army that are just completely okay with that.

48:36 Speaker 2: And that's that's no hate on them for that, because it's like, Okay, that brings you solace, you enjoy that, that's fine by you. You don't want anything more, and it's not hurting you to not want that. That's perfectly fine, hurt for you to do it. Yeah, exactly, So but that would make the difference of why Okay, there's you know, it's not nearly as much of a topic is because a lot, I want to say, probably a larger portion of you know, the population is probably more geared to is that, like you know, just as a general sense, maybe like a sixty forty split, and only the forty percent are the ones that have the creative ideas because like, it's just so many people that again, with the finite amount of time you have and the upbringing from your parents and the genetic problems that they had with their all their family issues that you're now dealing with, it's a lot for someone to be able to, you know, devote brain processing power to something otherworldly other than am I going to have groceries tomorrow?

49:27 Speaker 1: Right?

49:27 Speaker 2: So it's you get those mixes in there, and then that creates the amount of like you know, for that's why it's the criticism is fine, because that's a lot of those people that are like, you know, they're more well put they're the like upper tier for that is that they're well put together, not that they're okay with their life not being any more than what it is. But that's where you get to like the top tier of like that's people that openly talk about like you know, like new news shows, wake up shows, stuff like that.

49:53 Speaker 2: They pull an article up because it's a quick, like thirty minute topic they can talk about. And then basically, because that's their job, they have to come up with pro and cons and what do people like more they like as a reaction, they get the cons because that strikes more questions for the audience to go, what do you mean that's that's something that's something that I don't understand, and now you're making me angry, but I like you, but the topic doesn't make me happy, And then now you get that disconnected like that's where you get the people who negatively criticize it because they don't care to you know, dive into the realm of possibility that within their the timeline that they have on their life that you know, them making a couple hundred thousand dollars and living in a penthouse, that's that's all they need.

50:31 Speaker 2: They don't care about what's happening after they die because yeah, exactly, So that's where you get the criticism aspect. So it's like you get those the lumps of people who don't care because they don't want to do anything because it's not important to them, and the people that criticize it because of that, and then you get that small niche area where with the people that are talking about it, and in that that's where you find people like me who it's like we're interested in talking about it, but there's so much of that other side of people not being part of it societally that that's where it creates that kind of like I guess you could say plateau for you know, that's why you know For me, this is it's I'm enjoying this and I'm doing it more because I am enjoying it because it is opening up my brain more.

51:11 Speaker 2: But there's not like I don't know, if you put five of me in a room, maybe the other four wouldn't do it. And then now you got like that one chance. Okay, now you're relinquished only the one person, and now they not are like you know, they're trying to decipher things. So it's it's definitely in depth. That's it goes, right, Yeah, like it goes. There's definitely different layers to it and you know, societal impact issues. And then again also once you start throwing religion on top of that, and then you know, you also got to calculate it and whether or not someone has the correct chemical composition in their brain to be you know, but they're what they're saying even have any actual validity because are they you know, chemically like cognitive to say that, or are they saying it because they're missing a chunk of their brain And that's you know, like someone that has like Tourett's and just as random words.

51:56 Speaker 2: It's one of those random words for the person that doesn't have, you know, the ability to create it as they're saying that, and then Okay, someone's now gonna believe that just because they heard it on the odd chances and now that they didn't even know that, that person doesn't have a fucking they're missing the front of a little bit. They got a little botomy because they knew something, and now they're just spitting random knowledge that doesn't make any sense to someone takes whatever hits the wall.

52:17 Speaker 1: What makes a lot of things.

52:22 Speaker 2: I was thinking about that I watched the other day, and that's actually one of the questions in here that that's a good example is I think for you is I was watching one of the Predator movies, and in the Predator movie, the one that I had watched was basically about how they're evolving and getting to their next step of their evolution to be you know, the almighty Apex Predator. And they basically said, of the three main characters, it's a dad, his son, and some other random chick and he basically goes, I want you.

52:47 Speaker 2: You're gonna be the next leader of the planet. You're the one that's gonna save them. And the guy the father he's like running after them trying to like be like I'm the one you want. Nope, the Apex Priator walked over and grabbed the little boy because the little boy had autism and he was able to understand the language of the Predator and be able to fly the ship, wear the helmet, open turn skins. So like, does that also at the same part of like if you have some sort of you know.

53:10 Speaker 1: Uh what we would call it defect?

53:13 Speaker 2: Well yeah, so yeah, like that's the thing is, well.

53:15 Speaker 1: What if it's not what I it's the next level?

53:17 Speaker 2: That's the thing is it could be it's it's a toss turn because what if you do get the people that have a genetic defect in their brain that doesn't actually cause them to process. But then you see some kids with autism that just they know everything about a train. They know it's down down to the fucking bolts that are in the wheels down the track from nineteen twenty three. Immediately huge and for that, But it's that topic of idea of they do it with trains. Sometimes they have it where they're interested in like cars or like food.

53:43 Speaker 2: They are able to latch onto it like a topic or subject idea. No, but so they.

53:51 Speaker 1: Rat contact in the desert. The scientist was and one of the families. But these non verbal autistic children are essentially reading their mother's minds. Nonverbal communication, okay, empathy, yeah, bro, like legit.

54:07 Speaker 2: My mom talks about one of those with my brother.

54:10 Speaker 1: They demonstrated it.

54:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, because my brother was like, she tell me about that. Yeah, she was telling me about that one time, like when he was growing up. He was like having so much trouble like eating anything and like breastfeeding and then I can't I have no idea what it was, but she said that like one day she was like she really was just like trying to find ways to convey to him to eat and he I can't remember what it was that she gave him, he ate it, and like this was on a track record of like he would throw up other food and you think.

54:38 Speaker 1: That does she think that there was some sort of non verbal like telepathy going on, like listen, you know you need to eat, like you need to.

54:47 Speaker 2: Be yeah, because she's always like you know, I mean, you know how mothers are. They would say that they had their links with their kids. But like when she was talking about it with my brother, I mean like you could kind of like feel that more like I don't know, like weird way to put it, but like that spinal tap kind of feeling like you felt it like further than like as opposed to feeling it in your chest, you felt it on the like interior.

55:05 Speaker 1: Of your spine, like with you another weird thing.

55:09 Speaker 2: Connected to like all your nerves and.

55:12 Speaker 1: Like that right, and so another weird thing about humanity in general. Have you ever been thinking about someone and then like all of a sudden they text you or call you or you know, like have you ever had one of those moments?

55:30 Speaker 2: Not that I can recall, I feel like, oh, but that seems like a deja vu moment. But the best way that I can describe it because I actually was just doing this. What was the phrase? Okay, I was just watching a movie. I can't remember what the movie was. It might have been one of the Predator movies. But the character goes a via condios and that's like a Spanish saying or something like that. It never heard that in my entire life, never, like not once heard it. I'm like watching I think it might be King of the Hill, and I watched an episode where Dale just goes via condisa and I'm just like, I just heard that like within the last day and the first time ever in a movie, and now I'm hearing it again within a forty eight hour timespan.

56:06 Speaker 2: That's just like, what are the chances of like actually that spirit because that's a very like specific Yes, that's a very specific phrase. Like that is not just like a hey, thank you, hey, thank you. No, that's that's you know, you can chock that up, but like I don't believe that's a very unique set of phrase. They're like that one's hard to knock off.

56:26 Speaker 1: Us Us in the UFO community, right talk about it like it's some fucking uh club or cult ironically, in the UFO community they call it a synchronicity. So, and I would implore you to do that. So anytime something like that happens, write it down. Yep, write it down, and then after a while start going through them and it's like you're getting told a message.

56:54 Speaker 2: Yeah. I find like if you do it, you'll be able to record and do the timestamps and find out the exact like and then you can start making like you're the differences between those gaps that it happens into.

57:05 Speaker 1: Do you think now, Okay, so you said on record that statistically it's improbable that we're alone in the universe, right, yep, So it's one thing that they exist. Let's bring it a step further. Do you think that there's some that are visiting Earth?

57:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'd be like, if they have the capability to travel, just in general, they have the capability to do stuff like blend in it's the same thing as like, again, a good reference to do it is with like the capability of like the Predator. I know this is still sci fi and everything, but like you just take that for example, an alien came to our planet has super crazy they have the same you know, traits like their hunter like that's what we do. That's why we can you know, understand what they're doing.

57:49 Speaker 2: But like they got like invisibility close so there's no doubt in my mind that they couldn't you know, either manipulate themselves some way physically or like that's a good example to we talked about, was the telekinesist type of thing to just alter or mind through some sort of like waves that when you look at me, you just see me as a human. You know, there's all kinds of all kinds of possibilities if it's if it's life that's not from this planet and it's getting to this planet. The technology that they have at their disposal has to be able to, you know, provide them some sort of means of either you know, camouflage or or yeah, the ability to blend in any of those things that sense.

58:21 Speaker 2: Because like we've talked about how you know, the space spacecraft would need to be able to manipulate gravity. If you can manipulate gravity, you can manipulate manipulate your appearance. I mean, just take us as a species for right now. With the world of special effects, you could basically you get TV shows undercover bosses because people don't have they have no idea that that's the person that pays their their check and that's just that's us with our like.

58:44 Speaker 1: Just complete blending in.

58:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I like there's no shot like they don't have.

58:48 Speaker 1: If you're not laughing for it, you're not going to see it.

58:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean the other thing too, is that if they're going to be here, they're not just going to be consistently doing only flying over and you know, being hey, how are you like once in a blue moon, They're they're gonna see us. They're going to be just the same way that we are. We're curious species. There's no way that if they're you know, flying and able to visit us, that they're not also curious themselves to be able to figure out, you know, what makes us tick. Not necessarily as you know, like probing and lobotomy, but like how are they how do they act in social environments type of deal.

59:17 Speaker 2: So you know, you obviously want to observe if you're going to if you if if like if you took like your average scientist and you went, I have a shuttle right here that'll take you to a space to another planet with life on it, and there's a cloak in there. You wear that cloak and they'll they will never detect you. That scientist is going to go see you go and then he's gonna put that ship and start researching everything. He's gonna start looking at everything that's going on and the like, because if you got unfiltered access to another like uh, you know, uh, cognitive species, you're gonna want to be like, what what kind of like what go just same thing?

59:50 Speaker 2: Like yeah, same thing. What's going to look into tribal tribal tribal like groups and stuff from old ages? We're always like, what's going on here? What? What kind of religion were you guys to do? What were the buildings, what were you wearing? What did you kill? What did you eat? So it's like if you did that for another cognitive species that has the ability to fly to planet to planet, you're gonna want to be able to like figure that out. And even if that other planet doesn't know you're coming.

1:00:13 Speaker 2: That's the other reason of why you'd want to hide and be you know, the camouflage is because if you were there in your normal state, they're going to see you.

1:00:19 Speaker 1: You're going to alter the.

1:00:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to change their environment. They're gonna start reacting to you. That's going to change how you would have it in the history will change. Yep. So that's why you'd have to, like, you know, if you're if you were like a sentient species that's trying to research another another species, the best case scenario wouldn't would be that they would never know you exist, period.

1:00:39 Speaker 1: And that's why I I do throw shade at the idea that that they're evil, if they were evil, if there was an evil race of beings, right, hear me out, I'm not saying so, there's a difference between being evil and being indifferent. Indifferent just means that you don't give a what happens to them. You're serving your agenda right to us, that may seem bad, but it's not right.

1:01:12 Speaker 2: Well, it's in the means of like, before you had someone's consent to be able to use their body as a cadaver for health, you were just taking dead bodies without anybody like. That's how you got people that would sneak bodies into a basement.

1:01:23 Speaker 1: That's a real dark, fucking example, bro, It's.

1:01:27 Speaker 2: The best one that I could think of.

1:01:28 Speaker 1: That's so so direct went to the dead body.

1:01:31 Speaker 2: Well could think about it. That's how you that's how we learn to use you know, electric synapses in people's bodies, because like there that necessarily back then wasn't as such a like, hey can I take your body when you're dead? It was you're dead.

1:01:43 Speaker 1: It wasn't a form.

1:01:45 Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick this in here, at this body in here so I can do some research. No one's ever gonna do other research, you know, you know, maybe that's where you get the probe probing from, because maybe there's multiple different types of aliens, and some of them are like, I don't give a fucker. I'll just fuck the shit. You're another you're another species. I don't care. I'll learn about your scientific organs and fuck the shit out of it. So you never know. I mean, that's the thing is if one of them is here, who's to say there's not all kinds of them from their own species.

1:02:11 Speaker 2: And there's you.

1:02:12 Speaker 1: Know, like there's a pervert.

1:02:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some alien dude who just genetically makes himself look like maybe that's where you get some pedophiles and they're just like, yeah, you know what, that's what I want I'm gonna look like this that way, maybe they won't they won't see me. You know, you never know, because it's a realm of possibility that's possible. We just you know, I'm thinking of.

1:02:31 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of like a Peeping Tom version of an alien.

1:02:36 Speaker 2: Just the best way to think about it is Roger from American Dad. He's like the alien that he just walks around and wearing his costumes, but living human lives, like having sex with people, completely normal. That's the thing too, is I mean like he does that. Sometimes he's a psychopath and is like actually, like I'm preppy, sire. There's an entire episode where he's like lobotomizing Jeff Haley walks in, he's missing the top of his skull. He's like, oh hey Haley, and she just walks out like it's nothing.

1:03:01 Speaker 2: And then some some episodes he'll he'll he has ones where he actually lives entire lives with other families in different personas and he's having sex with them because he's you know, he's married to husbands and he's a dude married to a wife. So he's he's an alien that's having sex with people.

1:03:15 Speaker 1: It's the Roger, Yeah.

1:03:17 Speaker 2: That's there. Because that's the thing. It'd because simple of us to think that if there's life form out there, it wouldn't be the same unique, it wouldn't be carbon copy cut gray dude, it will you like they'd have if they look the same, That doesn't mean they have the same personalities, right, it's saying their own free will showed up.

1:03:33 Speaker 1: That's like saying every uh, every person from mainland China is the same person. Yeah, they may all look alike, just like.

1:03:42 Speaker 2: Taking any party, Like even with a pair of with a pair of identical twins, they have completely different fucking mental thought, thought processes and personalities. Sometimes you get the couple twins where it's like they you know, there's something else.

1:03:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think there's always.

1:03:57 Speaker 2: Also that could also pay a part of play a part in that same deal of like you know, autism with it being a genetic thing, and like the telekinetic connection between you know, a parent to their child. If you're too too bearing, you know, you know, fetuses in the same womb, there's gonna be some form of connection between you two with all you know, the nutrients you're sharing. And that's you're not not speaking right. There's like there's liquid in there. So if you're sharing, if you if you have a thought in your brain as a fetus, it's going to travel through your body to the umbilical cord that you're attached to that's also attached to another another feting.

1:04:30 Speaker 1: It's so weird to think twins. Freak me out, bro.

1:04:32 Speaker 2: I like the the idea of it, because I it's but it just shows.

1:04:36 Speaker 1: You how incredible not only the about the human brain like an but the human anatomy.

1:04:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, can hold. That's also fraternal twins. I had two friends growing up my entire life, there were there were twins, but look nothing alike, completely separate personalities, born like fifteen minutes apart.

1:04:54 Speaker 1: Same crazy and there's always some sort of like weird connection that they have like we're like they know the other ones in trouble or.

1:05:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, they get that like spider sense and that's.

1:05:04 Speaker 1: The speed of Now that is that not telepathy? So what I think is happening in our in our and again I go back to this idea of a social construct, a social agreement that we've all made, and we've all made this agreement that aliens don't exist like the mainstream is then and I think the pentagon in the Vatican and Church, like I think they cover up really began with the Church, because the US government is fairly recent in history, and let's go on the notion that these things have probably been visiting us for all times.

1:05:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Vatican Church has been around for a long time because it was the most number one religious symbol of the time.

1:05:42 Speaker 1: They were judged, jury and executioner. They were. They were the ones who told you how to think. They were. They ran the world like a dictator.

1:05:50 Speaker 2: If you were heretic communicated, Yeah, put any put in the stocks to.

1:05:58 Speaker 1: The Galileo him on a house arrest because he challenged the narrative that the Earth was not the center of the universe. Had a telescope. He had a telescope and he said, I can show you. So here's the ignorance of the Church.

1:06:15 Speaker 2: It's like flat flat Earth is being able to see that we're right, that it's spherical, but then arresting you because you're still saying it'spherical and we have the evidence.

1:06:22 Speaker 1: Well, not even just arresting you, bostracizing, ending your your essentially ending your life right because you don't fit, you don't want to conform.

1:06:33 Speaker 2: To fit the narrative, so they label you as a heretics so that everybody else doesn't try to think like you, because then they see that, Okay, this person.

1:06:39 Speaker 1: That Johnny down the road when he questioned the narrative, I can't.

1:06:43 Speaker 2: Leave his house. I'm not for me. I like the outside world.

1:06:47 Speaker 1: The thing is he had the proof.

1:06:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's yeah.

1:06:51 Speaker 1: Do you think Okay, so we've gone now to the life exists. It's it's probably here, and if it is here, it's blending in and it's trying not to be known. Right now, Well, now let's take it a step even further.

1:07:12 Speaker 1: Tomorrow Boom, the curtain comes out, the President comes up to the potium, shuffle some papers. My fellow Americans, I don't know how to tell you this, but we're not alone, and I can prove it to you. You know, here's the proof whenever or you know, in a couple hours, like this dot we're gonna drop this dotier that will show you everything that we know. So do you think so, do you think something similar like if we found out the.

1:07:56 Speaker 2: Simulation, that's what I was thinking of right now, is.

1:07:59 Speaker 1: I think it'd be a similar chaos, people partying, and like, like.

1:08:05 Speaker 2: Not necessarily because I feel like it's finding out that there's other life. I feel like it's completely you know, yeah, so we're not the only telling you that.

1:08:16 Speaker 1: So in this disclosure scenario, we find out that they have been lying to us. Roswell did happen? They have killed people to keep the secret? Alien abductions are real? Like all of it's true, and tomorrow we find out that's all real.

1:08:32 Speaker 2: I think it would be because it's it's kind of like the simulation one. But on the other hand, it's not because so if for the simulation when I feel like it applies that if telling everybody in a big televised thing like that might be a little bit overwhelming for people, But we think, yeah, because that's a that's a real game change.

1:08:51 Speaker 1: Do you think they would change?

1:08:52 Speaker 2: No, because the thing is you have to have a concise unite united front of not just the president but like every president all take other like all the big influences, like the popes. You need all of those like big headed figures to come collectively in one big conglomerate because that is so it is that big and that like as a species of human beings. Yeah, so you would need like a united front for all of them to be able to do it. If you were to broadcast it like that, I because you would you have so many people not believing.

1:09:23 Speaker 2: You'd have so many people who didn't watch the news and be like, the fuck you talking about? You said, there's aliens on the TV. You're fucking nuts, and then you know, until they'd have to go back and watch it, and then right there that creates, you know, disconnect between the sentence actually happened. Yeah, I think I think that if they were to do it, they and it would to be like a productive way about doing it. You could do it, but I think you'd have to be like my fellow Americans. This upcoming Friday, we're going to be releasing to you a section of information that we will be sending every residence all over the world and all of their homes their own form of Basically, it would be a packet and it would be information of exactly everything that we have, and they would get that like maybe an hour or two before the actual broadcast, because then that gives you the ability to process that on your own.

1:10:06 Speaker 1: A global fucking briefing.

1:10:08 Speaker 2: That's the thing you needed to be global briefing for everybody to actually take it seriously, because because if it was just the United States, they're gonna be like, well, who the fuck knows if this is propaganda and they're just trying to lie to us so that way that they can get the deal that they made with China. Who knows. If it was global and China's doing it and Russia's doing it and everybody's doing it, then consensively humans as a species of the normal average person doesn't matter if you're from the US or if you're in some other country.

1:10:32 Speaker 2: That would be So that'd be a challenge though it would be and it's tough, Like would people who don't have address as a PO box? Is no, no, no, no, no, no, not even that fun, Like I think it needs to be done where they get information.

1:10:46 Speaker 1: In North Korea? Would he be down?

1:10:48 Speaker 2: That's I guess that's kind of up to him because he's kind of a special he's a special case because he's so strict with his own ruling. That's is not much because he already lies to those people about all kinds. So like we would just go business everyone else, you tell him about it, but chances are. He's probably not going to join in with us, and he'll keep that information to himself. He's probably putting the people. But that's the thing is I think you'd need to give out like a newspaper, a packet.

1:11:11 Speaker 2: You'd need to conglomerate all the information we have with pictures and proof, because you can't just say a sentence. You need to be like you can't just be like, oh, I saw it over here in Roswell. I saw it. I'm telling you it's real. No, they're gonna go, okay, Well, you could just be manipula. I need the physical picture of it, and I need you to tell me where the location is that this happened. I need dates, times, and it would have to be all the immediate direct information, kind of like that guy who's talking about the skiff and saying, yes, I have this information, I just need this room to do it.

1:11:38 Speaker 2: No, that that's the type of information that he has needs to be presented to everybody in some sort of packet, paper, page something, and then you basically you process that for an hour or two after already being told you're going to get that information. So now you have time to prepare and be like Okay, what's this information going to be? I can do exactly that. Prepare now you get there.

1:11:55 Speaker 1: Now you can choose whether you.

1:11:57 Speaker 2: Well you read it. Yeah, so you read it, and now you can go Okay, am I going to take the route of am I going to watch this and find out what's going on? Or am I going to start freaking out? Go great, create my bunker because there's aliens. But chances are people aren't going to freak out necessarily. I want to say right away as if they're given that information then told, we're going to give you a briefing couple hours after you've been given that information so it can digest in your brain and then you know, we can go over that as a again, because it would have to be United front.

1:12:23 Speaker 2: We are going to go over it as a species, as it's human beings. We're going to go over this this global information because it's not relegated to a country or a state or a continent. This is planetary. This is like taking all the stuff about you know Elon being like, oh we got to move to Mars. Okay, yeah, true, we do, you know the Mars thing, but this is an entire other third party part of that that's you know, now going to affect everything like that's.

1:12:46 Speaker 1: Think about the funding that would get into it all of a sudden.

1:12:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, you would get a lot of the deaths. It did be a little tough because you'd get a lot of those billionaires who are like, I want the I want the ships for myself so I can get the fuck out of here, And I mean like you probably get into charity things. But that's where like that kind of information is like Okay, now everyone's got this. That's where it kind of brings. You know, it'd have to be a human uniting together is because from there you take ideally you would take all the towns and cities that got that information and then you would then from there hold like a town hall or a city meeting.

1:13:14 Speaker 2: You'd have to have a like a conglomerate meeting where you tell everyone, listen, you get one thing that you need that you are curious about, that you need to ask for this that you want information on, you submit it, and at this time we will answer these without question. We're not gonna go back and forth with questioning because not everybody has time. We'll answer immediately what we have and then we can continue to schedule doing this further, thus uniting the people together as opposed to having them fight each other for you know stuff of like, Okay, this person's rich, they're gonna get that ship and get out of here.

1:13:40 Speaker 2: No, everybody's there. Someone's gonna go, I don't want that person to get the ship. And then you're gonna have to go, Okay, are we gonna unite as a human on this as a front and then start putting together a charity to work for all of us as you know, one united monopoly of humans or not? Because if not, I mean like it's gonna fall back into chaos. That's when you're gonna get people who are gonna start getting scared because people aren't together, so when they'll start doing looting and rioting.

1:14:01 Speaker 1: There is a chance in your scenario that this ends up uniting the world. Yeah, because it's kind of the opposite of what you're saying.

1:14:12 Speaker 2: You think about it, everybody was kicking in when Hitler was doing this ship, whether it was big or small. Everyone's like, yeah, this guy's got to go together. So it doesn't need to be an evil entity per se, Like it doesn't need to be some uh, the aliens don't need to have some like ultimate gold to destroy us and behind it's basically you're here, we want to get to where the fuck you are, and we we know we're better at it than you, because that's what the human species is. It's hey, we could do this, and we could do it better.

1:14:39 Speaker 2: So if unite the fucking species together in a space race for another species that already can do it, how quick do you think that we'd fucking nail the light speed travel back and forth and we'd probably colonize Mars in like half the time of what it would normally take. Still, forever it shortened it.

1:14:56 Speaker 1: Do you hear that? Deep state? I think so? Do you know what I think the secrecy comes down to is greed, greed and power.

1:15:04 Speaker 2: Without the money, you don't get the control. If you don't get the control, you don't get the money back in So it's like you need to create a like a feedback loop of negativity, which is why that's one thing I always say when it's like it, it goes down to the thing like if the entire planet, all of humans were to be raised, the planet would be fucking fine. The planet, yeah, it would. There wouldn't be stress about like if you know, humans weren't here for that to happen. So it's like that that has its own whole thing.

1:15:30 Speaker 1: What do you do You think there's a good chance. And I want to ask this legitimately, dude, I don't want to get real on you.

1:15:42 Speaker 2: You can get real. I don't care.

1:15:47 Speaker 1: Are you afraid to die?

1:15:49 Speaker 2: No, I believe it or not in a non macabre way. I'm kind of excited because it's like, no nobody knows what happens. I'm kind of curious.

1:15:56 Speaker 1: Really, I mean, like, are you dead serious time?

1:16:00 Speaker 2: I know. I mean obviously I don't want to die in some crazy horrible way, but like you know, natural causes, you know, live and live a good enough life. It's like it's for me, it's something like at the end, like I said, it comes off in a macabre way, but it's like I don't know something else that nobody knows and no one has any real life.

1:16:16 Speaker 1: We're all gonna do it.

1:16:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, it happens to everybody. I'm just curious. I'm like a naturally.

1:16:21 Speaker 1: Likes to get to that line.

1:16:23 Speaker 2: No, that's the thing. I you know, I've had my ups and downs in life where I have portions of my life. That's what I've wanted, but like I can.

1:16:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fucking terrified of it, but I think I think it almost I think it's almost like handcuffs. When you're afraid to die, you you won't take risk, right, And I think I think part of what makes humans unique is risks, and like we will risk going to the moon, right, but that could have been terrible.

1:16:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's almost on the risk there which we which we talked about too before about people not being responsive and I'm not wanting to like actually indulge in the fact that there's other life that's those handcuffs because those people are, like I am limited. If I even try to reach for that over there, the water to my left, I'm never gonna grab. So what's the point. I'm going to go with this and go with what I know. So now they're just stuck. And that's that's where you get a lot of those people who I mean, I don't know if I'm some sort of special case because I don't want to, like, you know, look at myself like that.

1:17:28 Speaker 2: But throughout the last couple of years, and I mean, actually a good way to do is you could use it for a humans on a hole as someone you know, bettering themselves through their evolutionary way, is consistently trying to break out of that. There may only be you know, a small percentage of people that have that, like, you know, I'm going to break the cycle type of deal. The favorite thing a quote of mind from a great video game is always this character named Fossma a game called far Cry, and he goes, what is the definition of insanity?

1:17:52 Speaker 2: Doing the same thing over and over and over and over, expect expecting a different result.

1:17:57 Speaker 1: That's really Einstein's quote, is it?

1:18:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so, but it's so doing something different and then the result that you were expecting to happen from not doing anything actually happens, and you're like, oh shit, that's that's a thing.

1:18:09 Speaker 1: That's happening doing the same thing expecting.

1:18:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, so to break that that creates you know, that that creates us the people that are wanting to yeah, and you want to explore those realms of possibilities, and you're more accepting. And that's why we're even having this conversation to begin with, is because we're on the you know, select few people that can you know, be open to that because you know, even though it's scary to think of those shackles on your hand, like death, it's you. You don't you don't sit there and just look at them. You start to go, can I take these off?

1:18:41 Speaker 2: Why are they here? Who's stopping me? And where where do I go? What's the next step? As opposed to just go and then just sit down there? Yeah, so like you.

1:18:49 Speaker 1: Think, because you could, you could, like you said, you can think of them as handcuffs.

1:18:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

1:18:56 Speaker 1: You're right, I'd be like, all right, how these come off?

1:18:59 Speaker 2: I think that it's what? Well, what else scares you about death?

1:19:04 Speaker 1: The finality of it?

1:19:05 Speaker 2: Yeah?

1:19:06 Speaker 1: Well, because right now what we know is what we don't know, right and we what we don't know is that there's something actually after it. We have cases of near death experience from most people come back fucking they're like it was the best, like that whatever that is. I wanted to stay. I didn't want to come back, but something told me I had to write. And so we do have cases where people have you see, you're seeing this it's like every three seconds. Now it's like this like biblical flash.

1:19:45 Speaker 2: But we're getting all the good stuff in this episode.

1:19:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess this was might this might have been pretty destined. But so you can definitely.

1:19:57 Speaker 2: Hear like it's loud enough to like rumble, the muffling of the like the wall, you can hear it through the wall, and the window is closed to I know, the window is closed, so you can hear that through the window.

1:20:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, but yeah, the finality of it. And obviously, I like, I love life, right, like, I genuinely love living and it's the only thing I know and I don't want to not be living it. So if there is even a zero point zero zero zero zero zero zero one percent chance that is because what what do you remember from before birth?

1:20:41 Speaker 2: Nothing that I can recall?

1:20:43 Speaker 1: Blackness, Yeah, not literally.

1:20:47 Speaker 2: That the same nothing kind of like it's nothing. It's it's that like r E M cycle when you go to bed before you're starting to dream, but like you're losing your consciousness and you just see the back of your eyelids in the darkness of your room. You just kind of it's that little like midway space that you float in for a second before you go into your actual dreams. It's that kind of realm, is what you like when you open your eyes and that's that's that only you know, Like same deal with the spinal fluid thing.

1:21:13 Speaker 2: It's like that's in your spine of like you know, that's you. That's an experience you know that you had, but you can't really remember that or anything that's before it. Like you don't remember like any of the light that's coming through your mother's stomach when she's sitting out in the sun and the sun's going through the stomach and you know it actually lights it up. So that's those are thoughts that you know, you know, yeah, especially I mean also, I mean just going into how humans are created to begin with.

1:21:37 Speaker 1: Is just it's wild. Yeah, it's wild, so wild.

1:21:41 Speaker 2: To see develop it, not just you know, like it's beautiful, Yeah it is, yeah, because it's really beautiful, not just on it, like I don't know what it is, not on like a molecular DNA scale. On a molecular DNA scale, it's immaculate because of the amount of information that's composed into what creates you. But then to fill we actually watch it flourish and come into reality.

1:22:03 Speaker 1: Is like go from nothing to something. And I think that is what the human race is ultimately meant to do, is to create that next form of life, and I think that might be what we're doing.

1:22:19 Speaker 2: Humans are just we're designed to just procreate, produce more humans until you eventually.

1:22:26 Speaker 1: But that's every species, right, What do we do that's different? Again? We can't stop creating.

1:22:36 Speaker 2: We think about it.

1:22:37 Speaker 1: We just we know we're constantly innovating. We're never satisfied with what we're doing, right, We're always pushing the edge, pushing the envelope, pushing what is reality? Right. Dolphins, as smart as they are, they're not sitting at tables that we know of. They might be the aliens. They might have evolved underwater completely on the notes to humans at the same time or way before, and just split off. They took off and they're in the ocean now. But dolphins aren't sitting having this conversation.

1:23:12 Speaker 1: We all right, and there's a reason the human species. But we could stop right now, right this second. We could stop innovating technologically and we can all probably live really good. This iPhone works fine, it really does. If we could just make this iPhone, just service this iPhone, make new ones of this iPhone, never upgrade it, right, we'd be fine. We could stop all innovation, right now and just maintain technology at its current level and we'd be fine, but that's not an option for us. So I think our destiny as a collective is to create that next form of life, and that's where AI is, right, and what if AI is just to beacon right now?

1:24:03 Speaker 1: Now hear me on this. It's you've heard the singular, the term the singularity.

1:24:09 Speaker 2: I've heard it, but I've never heard it explain.

1:24:11 Speaker 1: So what the singularity is is essentially the next step in whatever. Because if you think about how evolution works, like standard evolution, and like, I'm not in it's not that I'm I don't believe in evolution.

1:24:25 Speaker 2: I do.

1:24:26 Speaker 1: I think that absolutely. It is a thing. Yeah, like adapting to your environment.

1:24:32 Speaker 2: Like we see it all plenty of countless species developing different defense mechanisms, all kinds of Yeah.

1:24:37 Speaker 1: But I don't think it's as major as it's like maybe over the spans of I don't know. I could take a whole podcast on this, and I won't do that. I won't make people suffer right now, But okay, so shit, I just lost my train of thought.

1:24:58 Speaker 2: Where was I we were talking about?

1:25:00 Speaker 1: Let's see, Okay, so right, we're not going to evolve. There's nothing that's challenging us physically. Right now we are the apex, right, we're the top of the.

1:25:11 Speaker 2: Food, the equivalent. We need to get the next thumb. That's what it is. It won't be physical, no, yeah, it'll be it'll be like on.

1:25:19 Speaker 1: The inside, it'll be conscious evolution will be on next stage. It'll be getting like smarter or.

1:25:25 Speaker 2: Maybe that's why they have the video, like the pictures of people projecting the idea that we'll have bigger heads and longer fingers.

1:25:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta ask yourself, right, yeah, future Yeah what mm hmmm, it's look at me, right, I'm like a smaller person. And I come from the time where people were growing rapidly from the older generation, right, because like the World War two era that they were smaller, right, and then like the eighties and nineties hit and like we started growing exponentially, right, So it's weird and then we just kind of drop back down because the most efficient form is actually probably three to five feet. Yeah, it's three to five feet.

1:26:18 Speaker 1: It's ideal. And I just think, like you said, like, nothing's challenging us physically, right, there's no time. I mean, the tiger could jump on me and eat me. But we can build a house and stay away from the fucking tiger.

1:26:32 Speaker 2: We have thumb.

1:26:33 Speaker 1: We can build a gun and shoot the tiger man. We win. So you know, nothing's challenging us. So our next stage will be a conscious evolution. And I think that might be what that entails is maybe bigger heads, right.

1:26:51 Speaker 2: The could be unlocking it. The network that the human bodies is one consciousness. It's all just being spread out through physical fiss.

1:27:01 Speaker 1: Well, that's why I think it is. Anyway, there's a famous quote that the number of the number of minds in the universe is one. Right. It's like this idea of the ether the muse. Right, you you're your musician type, artist type, like a lot of artists and musicians say that, you know, the melody just is coming through them. The art is it's not them, it's the muse coming through them and using them as a tool, and like makes you wonder, makes because like the root word of amusement, right, the muse music the muse.

1:27:41 Speaker 1: Right, So you start looking into these things and like the muse is essentially just the idea that like we're all extensions of the same consciousness and what God really is is the universe. So the universe is living, it's garnering as much conscious it's living all lives simultaneously, right, It's it's essentially living every condition at the same time, because it's living as a poor girl in Chicago and as a dying mouse or rat out on the sidewalk and Waltham. Ye that I end up saying. So on Sunday, I my my girlfriend is walking to the store that's right up the street because you know, you know how my roads are one way.

1:28:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's easier to walk to the store the communial service than it is to drive because you have to drive all the way around to get back to the one way. That's how cities are fucking Boston East Coast cities at least. And she was walking and she comes upon like a what she thought we thought it was a squirrel. It was a baby baby, it was do The thing hadn't opened its eyes yet, and it was just sitting on the sidewalk in the beat. Son the lady that came out of the house, she goes, oh, there's always animals right there.

1:29:08 Speaker 1: Just leave it. Let mother nature take its course. Listen, I understand the bitch today I am Mother Nature and all life is precious and I'm not letting this little guy die.

1:29:20 Speaker 2: Well, technically we're a product of mother nature and she is doing it by putting you there in that path.

1:29:25 Speaker 1: So we put it in a box. That's Sunday. I was my day off Saturday and Sunday and my day's off. But Saturdays, like I do a lot of podcast work, ye and at nights clearly I do a lot of podcast work, as you can see. So Sunday's my day day off, like completely off, and I just brought I was like protective. We put it in a box and like I had just calling around to different rehabs and we found some lady that's going to rehab the most. And then because there's something called re nesting, but I'm in a city, we don't know where the nest is.

1:30:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not obvious where it is. So there's no chance we can renest because putting renesting.

1:30:10 Speaker 2: Means going and putting in the same one that it was.

1:30:12 Speaker 1: In the same place, so the mother come back and get it. But if I put it in the same place, it's going to be on the beating sun sidewalk. It's gonna die.

1:30:20 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:30:21 Speaker 1: So I was like, I have to take it, put it in a box, kept it warm because they can't regulate their temperature at that age, and we saved it. And people think I'm like weird. I won't kill like a spider. Bro That spider does more for.

1:30:37 Speaker 2: You, keeps your house free of other bugs.

1:30:41 Speaker 1: So I make the deal with the spider, and people call me crazy. I'm like, just don't break this bubble or my girlfriend's bubble, because if you do that, I have to get you out of the house. I won't kill you. Yeah, I might if you freak me out. Yea, you know, well, but I will put you in a cup. If you break my personal space, you gotta leave. But you can live here rent free. I got you. Just eat those other So I think all life is precious, right, And I don't know, you think I'm.

1:31:14 Speaker 2: Crazy, No, not at all. I probably would have. I mean, I don't know if I would have done the same thing, because I don't I don't know if I would have had the confidence of myself to save it. But at the same time, it's like, I, you know, there's so many different things that I'm like trying to consistently save that it's like sometimes you wish you had more power so you could do more, so you could so you could save more.

1:31:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, this was I'll put this up on the camera as well. So this was Jess feeding him. Bro. His eyes weren't even open. His eyes weren't even open. You guys will see this. We were giving him a pedia life.

1:31:54 Speaker 2: Know, maybe I would have taken him like even in that state I was. I was expecting him tv even more flat on the ground. But that's like, that's that is savable.

1:32:05 Speaker 1: So he was. We thought he was a squirrel and then the the one of the ladies we talked to goes, no, it's a rat, bro, And I'm like, oh, well, she's like and then she like, she's like I don't take rats, like it was some like a squirrel and a rats. Like I'm like, okay, lady, whatever, like we'll find someone else. But like, like her demeanor changed once she figured out it was a rat not a squirrel, And I'm like, that's crazy to me.

1:32:34 Speaker 2: That's still an animal with feelings and logic.

1:32:37 Speaker 1: He doesn't deserve it. I named him how for hal Jordan because he just needed a little will power to live. He needed a little will to live a little bit longer, how and he's doing great. He's doing great. I'll show you a little picture of him. Now this was two days ago, obviously, don't you But yeah, I don't know.

1:32:57 Speaker 3: Life.

1:32:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, life is very It's more more precious than words can describe.

1:33:05 Speaker 1: And I want to make this.

1:33:20 Speaker 2: I was gonna say it is getting late.

1:33:23 Speaker 1: But yeah, I I I think I think it was the right choice save and you know, and uh so one last thing I want to I want to ask you, and we'll close out on this. I know, guys, it's been a little bit of a crazy episode, but I really, I really really like good job again. And I know because people are gonna watch and they're gonna listen and they're like, you know, they they just rattled off a bunch of stuff. If you're listening, I would say, probably watch on YouTube. It's probably more fun. But I do want to have more of these conversations where like I don't necessarily have like a well known guest on I just like having conversations, So I do want to I want to do more of that where it's kind of just like free, free to talk about whatever.

1:34:13 Speaker 2: Free to have like regular human discussions. About like just things.

1:34:19 Speaker 1: Like I think, like I would watch I I know, and I shouldn't even be saying any of this because you know, people, people love people love these kinds of conversations. So I want to ask you one more thing, you, hm, is there any chance that that because I know you kind of lean, you're leaning towards probably the reincarnation thing that we talked about, But is there any existence where you think there's a slight possibility that, like one of the religions has it right? That God does exist? Is heaven and out?

1:34:59 Speaker 2: Because well, it boils down into the same thing about the storder. I mean, like it may not be in our reality, but it doesn't mean that I shouldn't, you know, cut my belief off of it because I you know, it might not be in my reality doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just maybe not in mine.

1:35:13 Speaker 1: But what if you got to the pearly gates and they were like, you can't come in? Is what it is because you didn't you didn't live the way we told you to.

1:35:26 Speaker 2: The best thing I can do is say I'm sorry. Is there anything I can do? That's about the best I can do is be like, is there anything I can do to get in there. No, okay, I'll just tell you. I'll take my take my punches as I get them. So going down there, it is what it is. It's the same deal. You're gonna keep fighting it. It's not gonna be worse.

1:35:45 Speaker 1: What do you believe, like like all right before, because I I opened it with, give me your elevator pitch of what you think UFOs might be. Give what if I if you were to, if I were if I was holding a gun to your head and I said, tell me what you believe in your heart? What? What is it? What? What do you believe happens after we die?

1:36:09 Speaker 2: Probably some part of that idea that you get, you know, maybe like a glimpse of like what's going on as the universe for a whole consciousness. You might get that because your physical form is dissolved enough that you know your consciousness is still there inactive until you know you get put back into maybe a reincarnation situation where now your body has decayed, gone into nutrients into the planet that's now turned into nutrients for potentially trees, which produce oxygen that other people breathe, creating other cellular life and structure.

1:36:37 Speaker 2: To be able to even thrive to begin with the confidence, yeah, and then from there.

1:36:43 Speaker 1: To hold this kind of conversation with someone. And like I said, I'm looking to definitely have someone you know in studio to help out. And uh, you know, I think I think what I mean, did you you have fun?

1:36:58 Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think that like it would be really cool to actually start, you know, being around when you do have guests in because like I also, like I love talking, but I'm like, such it wasn't good in school because I wasn't getting you know, the enthusiasm behind the topics that I wanted. But with topics like this and like you know, the people that you tell me that you have in here, that's like all kinds of information. My brain's like, yo, I want to know that what I would like, that's really cool information and that've heard that person themselves based off of their story, really cool.

1:37:25 Speaker 1: Like I've been in and like like really quick, sometimes I've pinched myself. Yeah, because I'm not even like I'm not Joe Rogan, I'm not I'm not Danny Jones, I'm not Theovonne. I'm not like I don't have four million subscribes, but I I have walked a nuclear controller into a sitting member of Congress's office hours after she chaired a hearing on you UFOs and watched and sat and been the reason. After fifty years, this guy, Bob's Alice was finally able to tell his story to a sitting member of Congress.

1:38:13 Speaker 1: I made that happen. I had my name on a chair in Congress. I watched them testify. I've you know, I was just that contact in the desert. I like some of the places and some of the people that I've talked to, like I just I like, sit back and I'm like, I'm so like, this is exactly what I want to do. Yeah, right, this is exactly where I want to be. And I think I'm in the right spot, exactly where I'm supposed to be, exactly as planned. And I think you are too. So thank you for doing. Thank you for We'll have you back, for being.

1:38:59 Speaker 2: A lot of fun.

1:39:00 Speaker 1: No, And it was really good to be able to get something, like I said, some of the kinks out and start working on because I did an episode in a year already with Gene and nat Sticko, which is probably out already. But by the time this is out, so you know I've got it. But even in that one, the microphones won't work in the right way. So I do use the clip ons, and so it's nice to be like get these kind of like kind of like test runs in not that you're a test run, but you know what I mean. Yeah, for everyone watching, for everyone listening.

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1:40:35 Speaker 1: So again, it's what you think the show is worth to you. And you know I'll be tacking on more benefits. And we've done it so that you like, two ninety nine is unclassified, oh yeah, to uh uh four ninety nine is classified, and then nine nine nine is top secret. So like they're there. We don't call them YouTube members, we call them assets like operatives and show. So yeah, we're having some fun to think guys. So definitely like so much more to come, so much I cannot wait to see like where this takes off.

1:41:09 Speaker 1: So thank you Fox for being a part of it, and for everyone else you know what it is. As always, I'll see you on the other side.

1:42:19 Speaker 3: The Earth, the Earth, the Earth.

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