Was Jesus A Extraterrestrial? The Thiaoouba Prophecy (Ft. Samuel Chong)

0:38 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Total Disclosure. I'm your host, Ty Roberts, and today's episode is going to take us beyond conventional uphology and into one of the most controversial and thought provoking contact narratives ever put to paper, the Theubah by Michel de Marquees. My guest today is Samuel Chong, the translator responsible for bringing this text to a wider English speaking audience. His work has helped preserve and clarify a story that challenges nearly every assumption that we hold about human history, about consciousness, about religion, extraterrestrial contact, and our trajectory as a human civilization.

1:29 Speaker 1: For those unfamiliar that the Yuber Prophecy presents a radical account of humanity's origins, guided or perhaps even monitored by an advanced non human intelligence. It speaks to ancient civilizations, genetic intervention, moral law, planetary stewardship, and the consequences of collective ignorance. These are not the abstract ideas that you might think. Many of the warnings of lined in this book echo uncomfortably with the world that we are living in right now. In today's conversations, we're going to be exploring the core themes of the text, the challenges of translating such a work, and most importantly, the real world implications that we continue to see playing out to spiritual disconnection from environmental collapse, and the growing question of humanity's place in a much large, larger cosmic ecosystem.

2:31 Speaker 2: Samuel, Welcome to the studio in Boston.

2:35 Speaker 3: Oh, thanks for having me time.

2:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've had many many conversations, virtual conversations, and I think you and I have over the years, you know, garnered a really interesting friendship, and so I'm super excited to have you here today. And you know, before I get started, of course, I just want to let people know that Michelle d Marquy wrote this book that the Yuba Prophecy the Golden Planet, and it's a true report by the author who was physically abducted to another planet. Now, can you tell me a little bit about Michelle de Marquay, how this book was written and why what was it originally called?

3:21 Speaker 3: It was originally called Abduction to the Ninth Planet, right, yes, right. He wrote a book back in nineteen eighty nine after he encountered the ets who took him to their planet for nine days back in nineteen eighty seven, and then he took a few years to get it published. And this is the detailed accounts of what happened to him. He was just a regular French Australia who lived in Keynes at that time and then he did not really have a lot of education. He was a landscaper. He passed away in twenty eighteen.

3:59 Speaker 3: I met him twice and he seemed to me just like a regular person. But he did not know how to use technology. He did not know how to type on computer. He used his assistant to communicate or send emails to me. And in his later part of his years he lived in Vietnam. He's a very very interesting character.

4:23 Speaker 1: So he and I think that is something that is important to talk about, is the pre technological age that this story was told in where there wasn't the library. I mean, there wasn't the internet connection that connected the whole world. He wasn't able to research too much of other accounts, and it puts this position, puts this story in a unique position.

4:51 Speaker 3: Yes, as you read the book, you're going to learn about a lot of the things that can be proven after the book was published, and there are a lot of scientific advents after like nineteen eighty nine or nineteen eighty three after the book was published that actually proved a lot of things reading the book, specific details such as the antibacterial effect of blue light, and also the fact that there's a tomb of Jesus in Japan that most people nowadays don't know about it, but if you search on the internet you can find a lot of evidence people who describe what the tomb is like.

5:27 Speaker 2: Right.

5:29 Speaker 1: Well, to start off, I want to talk about what first drew you to the Deuber prophecy and why did you decide to visit Michelle de Marque twice in twenty sixteen and in twenty eighteen in person, and if you want to just speak up a.

5:46 Speaker 3: Little bit, yeah, pull that a little closer. What happened was that I was very interesting learning what the ETS have to say about us, especially about their technologies, because while I was in China, I had the opportunity to read a story in which an engineer or physicist was taken by ET to their spacecraft and was told that even though I instant led the three fundamental principles of modern physics, he made a small mistake that caused people to believe that we cannot go faster than the speed of light.

6:23 Speaker 3: I thought in my mind, if the ETS can come and visit us, they must have advanced technologies and knowledge. We can just learn from the ETS. So in my subconscious mind, I was always looking for books written by ET contactees. After I came to the US, I specifically searched for authors who claimed that they had encounters with extra terrestrials. And then on Amazon back in twenty fourteen, I found this book. It was selling very expensively back then, over one hundred dollars or so, so I actually check it out from our local library.

6:56 Speaker 2: Wo, yes, could that because there were just limited copies?

6:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, publishing It was not really published in the US. It's actually self published by him in Australia, so I had to borrow it from library through the interlibrary loan process. And then actually, to tell you the truth, after I read a book halfway through, I thought this science fiction because you fantastical and too miraculous to be true. But then as I read read into the book, especially the chapter was Christ. It actually gives specific accounts of what happened during the Biblical times as documented in the scriptures in the Old Testament and New Testament, a lot of details can be verified and proven, and actually it connects all the dots real religions.

7:43 Speaker 2: Yes, so what was before we go? Because I have so many questions about that? What when you.

7:54 Speaker 1: Okay, you're reading the book, You're like, this might be science fiction. What convinced you or you know, what was Michelle like in person, his personality, his presence, his convictions, and how did he react when you said that you wanted to share the message in Chinese?

8:13 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, the book has to convince me that it's not a science fiction. So what happened was that when I read the chapter Who was Christ, it like really connects the dots the questions I had about the Christianity religion, because you know, I had a lot of questions about Christianity. Why there are so many wars between all the religions, the Crusades and things like that, and why the pastors preach about something but they do other things, and why it doesn't really talk about reincarnation, which is a fact proven by scientific like theories or different hypnosis, passive progression.

8:55 Speaker 3: And also a lot of people in the world, like in China and Vietnam and India, they believe in incarnation, which is actually a true fact. I think most people should realize that. So uh. And also it gave up specific sounds on the tomb of Jesus in Japan, so that actually made other sense to me. That really convinced me that the book has to be true. And then in the postcript of the book is that there are far more incredible things than the author Michelle was told but not allowed to write about. That actually caused me to be extremely curious about what else he knew but couldn't write in the book.

9:34 Speaker 3: That's the reason of whe search.

9:36 Speaker 2: So you went there for the let's call it the scoop. You wanted to know, Okay, if that what's in this book is what's in the book? What what aren't you saying?

9:48 Speaker 3: Right right? I really wanted to know what other secrets he knew but couldn't write in the book because he said he was not allowed to write that in the book. Why because he told him instructor not to write.

10:01 Speaker 2: Is it because that humanity wasn't ready? Do you?

10:08 Speaker 3: I know? I know that no, but I think most people are not ready to know about it yet. And also I think it has a certain reason because the future really depends on our collective actions. So we can really change the future for the better, and we have to do the work on ourselves.

10:29 Speaker 2: That makes that makes a lot of sense. And so.

10:35 Speaker 1: To get I mean, this is going to be a question, a wild question to kind of get into. But what is the significance of Jesus is it?

10:46 Speaker 2: Was Jesus a real being? And was? I mean, I've read the book, so I know what it says.

10:50 Speaker 1: But for the people out there, don't a lot of people speculated things like, for instance, born of a virgent right, So what does that sound like?

11:03 Speaker 2: Uh?

11:04 Speaker 1: It sounds like IVF like in vita fertilization, right, immaculate and what they called, uh, some sort of you know miracle was a virgin being pregnant, right and being impregnated by God or the divine So you know, was was Jesus an alien?

11:23 Speaker 3: Christ was an alien? But Jesus Christ is an alien? Yes, But Jesus was actually born out of the virgin Mary, from the embryo implanted by the eties or the angels what we would call the angels in the Bible. They had Jesus born that way just to catch people's attention and to fulfill the prophecies. And so that's why when you read the Bible, you don't see Jesus performing any miracles before the age of thirty, before he began preaching. This is because when the astral body of someone goes into the embryo, it has to pass through what the ancient Nagos would call the river of oblivion forgetting all the knowledge to perform miracles.

12:08 Speaker 3: This is right, Yes, so that Jesus actually went to India, and this is why some people say that Jesus went to India, and that's the Jesus who died in Japan.

12:17 Speaker 2: But Christ is a different figure, a different entity house So so Jesus in Christ are.

12:26 Speaker 3: Two different entities. One could perform miracles and one couldn't. The one who died on the cross and then resurrected was the one who performed the miracles, who preached about spirituality and love. And that's the one I would call Christ who is actually on importent et right.

12:47 Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken, Christ is a word that is a derivative of the is it the Greek word christos?

12:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

13:00 Speaker 2: Angel means messenger. Yes, So if the if.

13:07 Speaker 1: And again, if we're looking at it through a religious lens. The messengers came down to earth, and the ultimate message seems to be Christ right, the the memor right, the hybridization of the divine and human, something that will bring the worlds together to a degree.

13:32 Speaker 3: So there are two different concepts. Why is God the Creator which is a pure spirit? Most Catholics nowadays to believe that the Creator or God does not have a face. That's true because it's a pure spirit. It created everything, including the ets and human beings on earth. So that's the creator who doesn't have a face. But in the Bible we read about the Jehovah. Those are actually the ets or the people who have been guiding over us throughout history. If you read the Bible, you're going to learn about like the Party of the Sea for most is during Exodus, the distractions of the two CITs.

14:14 Speaker 3: So then Gomorrah and if you really read into that, you're going to discover those are could be the extra terresduals who help the Hebrews.

14:23 Speaker 2: Right and right.

14:25 Speaker 3: Yes, so this is actually what the book talks about. That made perfect sense.

14:31 Speaker 2: And I mean the implications of that alone, I could spend three hours on.

14:37 Speaker 3: So and it.

14:40 Speaker 1: From from your perspective from everything that you've gathered from this book and from your time looking into all this stuff.

14:49 Speaker 1: What are ancestors called.

14:52 Speaker 2: God or not?

14:53 Speaker 1: You know, not capital g God, but like the gods and what today we look up and we ay alien or non human intelligence? Are we talking about the same thing?

15:06 Speaker 3: No, we are not talking about the same thing. God is a creator of everything. It's a pure spirit that created all the stars, the planets, animals, planets, people on Earth, as well as extra terridrios. But extra Terdios are actually other human intelligence, some different planets, and there are different kinds of etis in the universe. Some are very advanced and some are not so advanced, like the ones that crashed on Earth the Roswell incident and in which we recovered some of the vehicles of the etis.

15:42 Speaker 3: Like because they crashed, that indicates or give some people hints that their technologies are not that advanced. They have faults, they have issues that need to resolve. But they are also etis who spacecraft did not and will never crash on Earth like the Theuvens of Jehoven's. They are far more advanced than the grace of the Roswell incident, Right, So people need to know that there are different species of ETS in the universe.

16:12 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, even doctor Eric Davis recently in that congressional setting had kind of told people in that forum that there are multiple civilizations visiting Earth. And you know, it sounds like you agree with that statement.

16:30 Speaker 3: I definitely agree. And I think personally we should learn from the masters from the ets who spacecraft will never crash on Earth. Then not then will never crash on Earth. If we just reverse engineered the ones that crash on Earth, that's a good step. But I would go directly to the masters.

16:49 Speaker 1: So yeah, right, And well, there is this story that I find interesting, and it was the fact that there were two meetings with extra terrestrial civilizations with with Eisenhower. And you know, I don't know how true this is, but it's in the UFO lore if you will, that he met with a very advanced species that said, you need to get rid of your nukes, you need to get rid of you know this, this this warring mentality, and we will help you, we will give you technology. And then they were they were told, you know, think about it, right, and then they left.

17:31 Speaker 1: This is the Halloman landing at the Hallman Air Force Base. And then there was another time where in Palm Springs he went missing. The president went missing, the I believe the local paper even wrote about how he was dying, like he died. And in that meeting he was said to have met with the Grays, who said, you don't have to get rid of the nukes, we'll just give you the technology. And he went with them because he didn't want to get rid of his the nuclear arsenal, or he didn't want to because he didn't think that, you know, if the United States got rid of their nukes, Russia wasn't going to get rid of theirs, right, So he went with the Gray, the Grays proposition instead of the other proposition.

18:17 Speaker 1: So we had a fork in the road, and we chose ignorance for technology, for technological advancement rather than ascension, and you know, to to kind of evolve past this idea of war and killing each other. So I find that to be an interesting an interesting parallel to this.

18:40 Speaker 3: Right that kind of shows that the Graves are not that spiritually advanced compared to the.

18:45 Speaker 2: Other species of the exactly. Yes, So.

18:50 Speaker 1: The book I want to kind of get right into it. Of course, the book recounts and for anyone who hasn't, please, you know, get out there, get a and we'll tell you how to get it. Get a copy in the Theober Prophecy, because I think again it's a very very good Uh.

19:07 Speaker 2: It's a good book too if you're a religious person. It gives you a lot of context.

19:11 Speaker 1: So anyway, the book recounts Michelle being taken, Yes, I want to say that word taken to an advanced planet by being called the Theubans. What do you think is the biggest misunderstanding people have about this encounter.

19:30 Speaker 3: Well, it's a real encounter in which he was physically taken to another planet, not the spiritually, not the psychologically, not astray, not astrally. He did not have an illusion. He was physically gone for ten days. It is proven by his family members, his son that I'm still in contact with, and also proven by his wife who actually saw him disappear for about ten days or so. So so his wife was actually quite worried about and having gone for ten days, and she thought that he was heaving an affair with another woman.

20:07 Speaker 3: And so it's actually caused a married issue. And this is one of the reasons did the worse after he came back. Even though he left a note to his wife, his wife still does not believe him.

20:22 Speaker 1: Wow, well that's that's very I mean, you know the story of Bobazaar, right, yeah, so same thing, right, different but same He he would disappear at weird hours of the night because you know, they would call him in to go to Area fifty one, and his wife thought he was having an affair, so she had an affair. And then and then he ends up getting kicked out of the program because they're tapping his phones and they find out that his wife is having an affair and they go, oh, shoot, this guy is not going to be stable.

20:53 Speaker 2: His family life is in rubble. You know, we we can't let him in.

20:57 Speaker 1: So I find that's an interesting parent, so talk to me about Okay, So his wife and his son, they they testify to the fact that he was gone for ten days. Did they file any police report?

21:14 Speaker 3: No, they did not, because he left a note to his wife saying that he will be gone for ten days or so and there's absolutely no need to worry about him. This is the reason she did not file a police report.

21:25 Speaker 2: So so he had the time to write a note.

21:30 Speaker 3: He woke up suddenly in the middle of the night, and then he did not know why, but he left a note because the ets actually had him write a note. And then he walked outside of his house to the yard and then he was lifted up to the middle of the air.

21:46 Speaker 4: WHOA wow, So what happens next? I mean, I'm fascinated. And then he encountered the very tall niotian footthall beautiful et B who told him that they were going to have a trip together and then he will be enjoying the trip. And then the et is a female or a raphadite. She took him inside of their spacecraft and then they went through the cleansing process in which they used the yellow light and blue light to disinfect him.

22:21 Speaker 3: And this is actually proven a hyber medical school that the blue light right here in Boston. Yeah, in Boston, blue light has an effect here and have very effects. There's a pure reviewed paper on this.

22:33 Speaker 2: And he wrote about this already.

22:35 Speaker 3: He wrote about this back in nineteen eight nine.

22:37 Speaker 1: A landscaper in the middle of nowhere, that's right, wrote about how he was disinfected using blue light. And yes, okay, continue because that that that's crazy.

22:49 Speaker 2: By I want to keep pointing out.

22:51 Speaker 1: The facts that Remember, this is a time without the internet nothing.

22:57 Speaker 2: You couldn't just call.

23:00 Speaker 1: In the United States and you know, figure out all the different scientific qualities that would need to make the story provable or or.

23:12 Speaker 2: How do you say, like it would check out, you know, and and it wouldn't check out for now, but in the future when they would find these things out. Continue, I'm sorry.

23:23 Speaker 3: And then they also used another i would say drug to really cleanse him. But they had to do that well, his astrobody leaves us his physical body. So during this cleansing process, he had an astro travel experience which he was able to observe what it did in their spacecraft while his astrobody left his physical body. So a lot of people have this kind of experienced auto body experience, and he describes it in the book. This is something that I find to be very interesting as well. And then he's asked about it came back to his physical body, and then they everything went back to normal, and then they started to tell him about the history of Earth where all the different main kinds or different people came from.

24:16 Speaker 3: Originally, one of the very interesting things I find just recently a few weeks ago is about the Jewish people, because if you really know about this, if you do research, you're going to find out that even though Jewish people only account for about pointy two percent of worldwide population, all the noble press winners are Jewish, and Jewish people excel in different fields that they go into, and don't.

24:44 Speaker 2: Worry about that.

24:46 Speaker 3: About that, and then the ets told him about all the different history of different people, including the Blacks, Yellows, the Caucasians, the ancestors of the Polynesians, and the Hebrews.

25:02 Speaker 2: When you say yellow, I just gotta ask Asian, Asian yes, okay, thanks, Japanese age yes. So this is in the payment the Simpsons or something. I'm just kidding.

25:16 Speaker 3: And that logically and reasonably explains why Jewish people excel in different fields that they go into and why they were the chosen people as described in the Old Testaments the Bible. Yes, very logically. So if you really do a lot of reasons, you're going to find the Ashkenazi Jews have five years longer longevity than the average non Jewish people. So if you read the Old Tests the Bible, you're going to see that the people in the past, they used to live eight hundred years or nine hundred years, and there's a reason for that, very logical reason, and I would employ or encourage the audience to read the book to learn about the reason.

26:00 Speaker 2: So you're saying human beings lived for up to night, you know, nine hundred something years. This could specifically Hebrews, specifically the Hebrews. I find that interesting.

26:14 Speaker 1: I know you say specifically Hebrew, but you ever heard of something the King's List, Egyptian King's list, the King's list of all the pharaohs, or the pharaohs list, and they you know, this person ruled for fifteen hundred years. So I'm just wondering if something like that is actually possible.

26:34 Speaker 3: Well, I think when a person is highly spiritual and you know they'y very highly advanced the environment or a highly advanced planet, a person can have a longevity that can last for thousands of years. Because the eaties from Theuba from this book, but the book talks about they don't die at all because they can generate and regenerate their cells and tissues, so they don't die. And they're fever young looking people, so they are likenodic looking. They can perform all the miracles as performed by Christ.

27:13 Speaker 3: They can communicate through telepathy, they can limit it, they can materialize objects, and they can do everything that we can imagine, like healing all the different diseases. So they're they're highly advanced beings. And if someone is highly spiritual, uh, you know, very highly advanced environment or a very advanced planet, that person wouldn't wouldn't die.

27:37 Speaker 2: Wow.

27:39 Speaker 1: So the key to immortality is not necessarily medical in the in the in the modern sense medical, but it's more spiritual and in inside.

27:53 Speaker 2: That's very that that's.

27:56 Speaker 3: Crazy, that's interesting to a lot of ladies. Should keep that in mind.

28:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right right.

28:04 Speaker 1: So obviously this book challenges traditional history, Yes, from the Great Pyramids purpose to the real origin of Jesus and Moses. Like you've talked about, what aspect of ancient history in the book has most dramatically shifted that your worldview will.

28:21 Speaker 3: Since I was young, I was those questions or asking about how the pyramid was built for the purpose and what about the statues on Eastern Island and they are actually the remnants the remains of the ancient civilizations. And to credit the Graham Hancock, Yes, we had several great recess of ancient civilizations in the history of Earth of mankind, and that this book actually talks about the two great recests in the past. We O came from different planets, originally the Blacks and Yellow's, the Asians and the Caucasians.

29:00 Speaker 3: The Well originally came from different planets. Because if you really know about geology or astronomy, you're going to realize that planets have their longevity. Right, So what happens the Well planet When the core of the planet cools down, it will no longer generate the magnetic field that captures the Amazon's.

29:26 Speaker 1: Atmosphere, which will then turn a planet into like a marsh, like a desert, completely uninhabitable.

29:33 Speaker 3: Yes, because Mars is a dead planet ready the core has cooled down. The Earth still has a hot core which is rotating consistent wow, generating the magnetic field.

29:44 Speaker 2: So he learns he's learning all of this during this visit. I want to go obviously, I just spun off a little bit.

29:53 Speaker 1: But you're at they're telling him all this stuff, right, you said their Nordic look, So those are the Nordic looking beings.

30:02 Speaker 3: Yes, but they're hermapetized, meaning that they have both male and female sexual organs. So they're gender like yah.

30:11 Speaker 2: Meaning meaning meaning can they? Does that mean that they can produce offspring by themselves?

30:20 Speaker 3: That's right, They don't need a partner or a mate.

30:22 Speaker 2: Okay, well honestly that makes sense.

30:25 Speaker 1: It makes kind of sense, right, But okay, so continue with what he continued with his experience on the Tuba. I want to hear more. So they're telling these things, what what is the architecture he's seeing? What are the colors that he's seeing? Like, what does the planet look like?

30:45 Speaker 3: The planet looks like a golden planet, because as he approached the planet, he saw golden myst surrounding the entire planet, very beautiful looking, and once he landed on the planet, there are two things that are different from Earth. When is the gravity of the planet, which is much lighter than let that up Earth, And the other is the beautiful colors, like very strong colors that actually had drunken him, and he had to wear a facial mask like sunglasses to future at the strong colors in order to be able to remain on the planet.

31:26 Speaker 1: Right, So similar to like you know something an astronaut would have to wear, like like in that same vein like to protect themselves, but not from the ox.

31:36 Speaker 2: Not not from that, but from the amount of.

31:40 Speaker 1: Light that was coming in in the different colors that maybe aren't our on our spectrum. Wow, that is such an intricate detail. And the golden mist around the planet. I've heard that before in the sense like the Anaki, right, how they needed gold to fix their atmosphere. Is this something that's true?

32:06 Speaker 3: Well, to the Fubans, they wouldn't need any metals or gold because they can generate materials or objects using their mind or their will, because they're just as powerful as a christ. Because they have the ability to do so, they wouldn't need any raw materials or minerals from other planets.

32:27 Speaker 2: Out of nothing. They can create diamond gold from energy into matter.

32:37 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so what is Do they have structures on this planet like cities?

32:46 Speaker 2: What does this look like?

32:48 Speaker 3: Yes, they have what they would call docals, the living or the dwellings that they live in. They they're very unique structures. They look like egg shape or have egg shaped structures. When people are outside, they cannot look inside, but when they're inside they can see all side. So it's the one side transparent. It's just like the glass, that one side glass.

33:13 Speaker 2: The one the like interrogation glass and that yeah, the one way mirrors. That's bizarre.

33:21 Speaker 1: And as far as vehicles would go, are they using these these craft like are they do?

33:30 Speaker 2: They all have one?

33:31 Speaker 3: Uh, they don't use the cars or planes because they can fly. You seeing a very small device that can neutralize gravity and you're seeing a force field to move them around traveling at the two or three hundred miles per hour. So they don't have a big vehicle so or carriers. They just have a small device that they carry on their hand and also on their waist. And this is what Michelle actually, Yeah, their experience, you seem to travel on their planet. It's a very beautiful scenario and they're enlightening experience for him.

34:10 Speaker 3: So so he really did them want to come back after night?

34:14 Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to either.

34:16 Speaker 1: We would want to come back here after you see a planet of gold a golden planet is So that's that's I mean, Okay, so now he comes back right, let's because you've kind of showed told us what they look like, how they are. They're speaking in this telepathic nature, so it's just translating immediately to him.

34:44 Speaker 3: Well, according to them, they can have two different methods of communication. When it's like we are speaking right now through voice or sound, uh, in which well, the ETS they can speak the different languages because they understand how to do that. They can actually download the knowledge to speak different languages from each other. And the other way is through telepathic communications. And in telepathic communications it doesn't really exist any language barrier because even if a person from Earth communicating with a person from a different planet, if they communicate telepathically, they wouldn't need a translator or interpreter at.

35:32 Speaker 2: All, right, because it would just it would it would essentially, and you're just like entanglement, right the if I wanted to talk to you as a telepath right in telepathic nature, this is the way I would assume it.

35:48 Speaker 1: Worked, would be our brains would become entangled. And so anything you knew, I would know, and anything I know you would know. And then whether you have access to that is a different story, right, you know, But somewhere it just it's an auto translate.

36:07 Speaker 3: And the ETS could tap into Michelle's mind at any time, and Michelle actually wrote in the book that he sometimes felt offended or his privacy invaded invaded, Yes, and then the ets promised him that they will not do that unless when it is absolutely necessary.

36:27 Speaker 2: I gotta ask, obviously, Jesus, right, I can see it, I can understand, But why Michelle, Why now?

36:38 Speaker 3: Well?

36:38 Speaker 2: Why now? Why? Then?

36:40 Speaker 3: Well, Michelle de Marchay was someone who had eighty past lives and this is something that's also written the book, which is reincarnation.

36:53 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so I guess that has to be in there, right, this idea of past lives.

36:57 Speaker 3: Yes, a concept that was remove moved from the Bible, but by the Council of Nicea and different council meetings, they kind of gradually removed certain powers of the ancient scriptures.

37:11 Speaker 1: But these are just to ask if we could ever get access to like the Vatican archives, do you think the information would be there?

37:19 Speaker 3: I believe so, okay, interesting, keep going. And actually the early Christians they believed dur incarnation.

37:24 Speaker 2: So the original cover up for everyone's record came from the Church.

37:29 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. Michelle was chosen for I think three reasons, as he wrote in the book. One is that he was a man of action, so he took actions immediately because his purpose was to have this kind of experience and read a book to warn people on Earth about the dangers, the real dangerous on Earth. And the second reason was that he was a man that did not have any preconceived notions or presuppositions they took like a physicist or euthologist. Then they would be afraid that the authologies would have taken their own ideas or ideologies, seemed the writing.

38:11 Speaker 2: The book there, like you said, their preconceived notion or their their ideas would influence the actual message when it came time to translate it. Whereas Michelle was more like matter of fact.

38:28 Speaker 3: Yes, like a blank piece of paper to write.

38:32 Speaker 2: I was that's weird. I was literally just about to say, almost like a blank sheet, yes, but that is my God.

38:42 Speaker 3: And the third reason is that he had eighty past lives already and that was his eighty first life on Earth. And people like him, like Soko what they would call him, Souko can survive for nine days on their planet.

38:56 Speaker 2: What does that mean?

38:57 Speaker 3: That means that he had experienced eighty past lives.

38:59 Speaker 2: So soco means specifically, you've eighty pass lives.

39:05 Speaker 3: Yes, he had. He was having his eighty first lifetime on Earth. So he was like old soul and who can survive for nineties on their planet. So this is why they want to take him, so he could survive for ninety's on the planet.

39:23 Speaker 2: So he couldn't stay longer.

39:25 Speaker 3: He couldn't say stay longer.

39:27 Speaker 2: But if someone else that's another interesting detail.

39:29 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, otherwise he would have died if he stayed.

39:34 Speaker 1: Exposure to a yeah too long in another environ I get that. Scientifically, all these details are so intricately complex.

39:44 Speaker 3: Yes, And the way that they explained about reincarnation and the process how we purify our soul to move up the letter to be more spiritual is also very complicated. And but but they actually explains all of the things that Christians may ask. What if Hitler's Hitler out of Hitler regretted and believed in Jesus before just read before he died, would he go to heaven? And at the end they no, he would not because he has goes through this kind of self reflection and feeling all the pains of the people he killed, and then to learn the mistakes he made in his life and to gradually grow spiritually and eventually go to perfection.

40:33 Speaker 1: So if if what what is being said here is true, Jesus,

40:42 Speaker 1: I'm reincarnation.

40:44 Speaker 2: Hitler is either in the in the between state right now, doing a lot of reflection because time, I would assume works differently in ethereal, like an ethereal realm, right this like this limb though or.

41:02 Speaker 1: Void between between the physical world where like where our consciousness originates from the source right the ether. He's either there doing a lot of reflection or he's been reborn and he's out there somewhere right now. He just doesn't know it and we don't know it right right, it's really difficult for anyone to know. But he has to go through the stufferings of the people he killed in order to progress.

41:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, I figure it will take him a long time for reflection, yes, right, so he might not come back to another body. If because I reincarnation is something I heavily do believe in, it makes way more sense to me. Because the universe, the world from a micro to a macro level, the one. There's a lot of things the universe isn't, and one thing it isn't it's not wasteful, right right, life seems to be.

42:00 Speaker 1: Special, it's unique. The spark that's inside of you, spark that's inside of me. I can see your spark, right, I can feel it.

42:08 Speaker 2: But when I saw my mother die, I watched that spark go away, right, that essence that made her her went away right before my eyes, and I watched it as an orb will literally leave the room, right. And then I look back.

42:28 Speaker 1: Instead of seeing what I see when I look at you as a human spark, it was just like an empty vessel. And you know that, right, like people when they see a dead person, and I know it sounds grim, but you know that they're not in there anymore.

42:44 Speaker 3: Right. We all have a spark of divinity, and we use our physical body as a toe to learn spiritual lessons.

42:51 Speaker 2: To interact with the physical world, right, to experience to Yeah, so that and that's something I'm The more I the more people I talk to, the more I hear that's the route that I'm going down. So Michelle comes back the tenth day or is it the ninth day? He comes back the tenth day? The tenth day he returns, Yes, to Earth? Yes, what happens from there?

43:20 Speaker 3: So he really had a hard time explaining what happened to him. And then the first thing he did was he slept for about and then after his family members wondered like where he had been, like where he visited, what happened to him? And then he gathered his son his wife and told them about what happened, and his son believed him, that his wife did not. And then he started writing the book because his purpose was to write a book to warn about the people earth about it's similar to the Book of You know, it's a parallel.

44:05 Speaker 3: It's in my question, Yes, yes, so we are. The reason that they took him is that we are at a very critical moment of time. If we don't, if it don't make the change, the necessary change, then we will be heading a disaster, a catastrophe. And this is the reason why they took him to write about his experience, to set warnings to the people on Earth so that we can make our own decisions, our own choice, uh to have a better future. Because when the Creator created all the human beings on Earth, they it actually gives our freedom of choice or free will to make certain choices in our lives.

44:48 Speaker 3: And also for Earth. We will read the autism the Bible when you read the story of Adam Eve the Apple in the Garden of Eden. Yes, that's to me is a story or parable on the free wheel. On free wheel, so when you are told not to eat an apple from a tree but you still do, you are exercising a free wheel and you have to face the consequences and bear the responsibilities. And similarly, we have the free will to decide what to do and we have to face the consequences as well. The karmig effect, the laws of karma is actually a universal law that no one can change.

45:36 Speaker 2: So this meaning you know the kind of person you are, the the how you interact with the universe.

45:47 Speaker 1: There there's a system to it where if you're a good person, if you're giving good energy, if you're doing the right thing, you know you're gonna get you you're on the good list. And then if you're not, you know, if you end up on the naughty list, you're probably doing things that are illegal.

46:06 Speaker 2: You know, So that system is there, so.

46:11 Speaker 3: Give you Another analogy is that people talk about nuclear wars on nuclear weapons, so the ETS will send warnings to us saying that the nuclear wars nuclear weapons are going to destude people on Earth, but they are not going to stop us from launching the nuclear missiles or the nuclear weapons.

46:32 Speaker 2: Because we have a free will to do it.

46:35 Speaker 1: So obviously, Captain roberts House is a very good friend of mine. Dave Shindily another nuclear same kind of job as Bob. I walked Bob into the Members of Congress's office so he could brief them. Those guys have this thing that they were trying to send us a message that we need to get rid of these weapons. These are nothing, They're nothing good. They're not going to help in any scenario. And but they affected them, they turned them off, but they didn't they didn't blow them like, they didn't disable them.

47:19 Speaker 1: They let us turn them back on, right, And why would they do that again? Like you said,

47:28 Speaker 1: you know, if we decide to launch those things like we did in World War World War two to end the war, you could argue that that was justified. You can argue that fact morally, but we also the second one is less justifiable, right, the second but arguably Okay, whatever it happens once and it's a it shows people the reality of what we just entered. Right, So we haven't had another one go off in actual scenario since then, which is actually pretty impressive, right considering we're aiming them all at each other.

48:11 Speaker 3: Right.

48:12 Speaker 1: So the nuclear controllers that I know that I've spoken with, they all said that the message was clear, it was a clear It wasn't it wasn't like them. They're not going to intervene. They're going to tell us, hey, I'm trying to give you a hint here, right. And that's what Bob Salice says, Captain Salace, that's what Captain Schandelli says, that's what Bob Jacob says.

48:36 Speaker 2: That's what all these nuclear that's what Mario Woods says.

48:41 Speaker 1: They all say that same thing. And these orbs, these are these orange just red orbs are continuously breaching our nuclear facilities and tampering with the weapons, shutting them off, turning them on to warn us, hey, guys, this is not the way. But they're not going to take them away. We have the right to have them, right. So that's an interesting framework. So but but and these guys have gone on to now, you know, test to their life's goal is to tell people like we need to get rid of this stuff. So that's a common theme in abduction people, like I said, abduction stories, so that as a theme here too.

49:25 Speaker 2: Yes, and sorry to go way off, way off, but I find that interesting connection there, right, because the proof is actually there that what you're what Michelle is saying, they are so warning us.

49:40 Speaker 3: Yeah. And also the book talks about the universe being a big atom. Once you deploy or lunch like a nuclear weapon, it affects all parts of the universe. So so that actually is mentioned in the book. I find out to be very interesting.

49:56 Speaker 2: So we might be doing damage somewhere else that we ran a gations that that it's like we rang the bell right right, and that's got mine. So how long? How long does it take Michelle?

50:13 Speaker 1: And well, we're probably going to take a break here in just a just a minute here, and then we'll come back and we'll get into some of the deeper.

50:22 Speaker 2: The theology and the and the stories.

50:24 Speaker 1: But how because I want to focus on Michelle right now for the beginning, how long does it take him to write the book? Like from when he gets back, when does the book come out?

50:35 Speaker 2: And how is it received? What's the end of that story?

50:40 Speaker 3: So thank in the late eighties, it was well before the age of the yourthology community becoming more popular, so he you know, the book about the two years or so, and then I had a hard time finding a publisher in Australia to get it published because all the publishers wanted to publish a book as a science fiction, but he was stubborn. He did not want to He wanted to publish as a non fiction, but no one believed him or wanted to publish it. So this is what happened. He had to self publish it. It was actually a little bit popular in Australia, but not so in the US.

51:21 Speaker 3: He actually came to the US in nineteen eighty three, had a lecturer in Atlanta, and then got interviewed by a few radio stations. However, people, most of the people, even youthologists in the US, did not believe him. But I, after learning what else he knew about couldn't write in the book, decided that it's probably the time for more people to know about his story.

51:46 Speaker 1: Okay, So it ended up becoming because of your translation, it ended up becoming a bestseller in Taiwan and China.

51:54 Speaker 3: Yes, which is really rare because you know, the two countries have different.

51:58 Speaker 1: Very very I mean, one says this one country, the other says two. So there's that big problem in the in the first place. But so Uh what when it originally was written. It wasn't until you went and saw him that the next phase began for it. Yes, you brought it to the modern Ufo community.

52:24 Speaker 3: Yes, especially in China and Taiwan. Now I'm trying to get the words out in the US and elsewhere, but in China and Taiwan.

52:31 Speaker 2: How did how did you convince him?

52:34 Speaker 3: He actually wanted the book to be published in China and Taiwan. And this is actually one of the kind of exchange, uh that we had, you know, the for him to tell me what else he knew about couldn't write in the book. I helped him.

52:49 Speaker 2: Are you gonna Are you gonna tell me?

52:51 Speaker 3: Uh?

52:52 Speaker 2: Do you have to tell me on camera? Just some hints, some hints, Okay, keep gone.

52:59 Speaker 3: So so it's actually pretty popular in China and Taiwan because people wanted to know, and it actually connects all the dolls that people have been wondering about the different religions like Buddhism and Christianity and also reincarnation about what to do when you have challenges in life, which is to look inside for answers and now to follow the government propaganda or or the media.

53:25 Speaker 2: Well, you know.

53:25 Speaker 1: What's interesting is and Jesus talked about this, right, is the fact that the church, the the the building, the church is kind of a it's it's a misnomer because Christ or Jesus, Jesus Christ the I don't know which one it was in your definition, but he had what what he.

53:56 Speaker 2: Told people was the church was inside of you.

53:59 Speaker 3: Yes, right, Christ, the Kingdom of God is within you.

54:02 Speaker 1: Within you, So you don't need to go to this building and sit down on the pews and listen like, that's not I don't think that that's more modern religion, right, guys in a robe like, you know, waving things around like as long as you look inside.

54:20 Speaker 2: I think we need to look more inside of ourselves. Right, And that sounds like that sounds like what the largest theme might be.

54:30 Speaker 3: Yes. So this is why they say that ets tell as a religious it's actually a curse on earth because the number four danger on earth number one being money, number two, politicians number three, journalists, and drugs number four religions.

54:46 Speaker 2: How journalists and drugs end up in the same category.

54:50 Speaker 3: The hell, you know, journalists they tend to focus on these sensational news, which calls it bleeds. It leads yes, yes, technological think yeah, and drugs really damaged the astrobody of a person. So hallocogenic drugs are really dangerous. Actually verified with the older readers, people who can see auras of people, asking the older readers whether people who use drugs tend to have more ugly aura and they confirm this. And indeed the halocogenic drugs will cause people to take a few reincarnations to repair the damages.

55:28 Speaker 2: Oh lord, oh lord, I've made some mistakes, Sam, I've made a couple of mistakes. If that's the.

55:39 Speaker 3: Case, and you can meditate to repair asbody.

55:41 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, So there is a there is some sort of antidote to that.

55:46 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's take let's stay well, we'll take a break here, we'll come back and then we'll get into some of that. Like you said, so, I think we've.

55:56 Speaker 1: Got the story of Michelle how it gets pass to you, and we've brought touched on some of the themes that we're gonna really dive into when we come back.

56:07 Speaker 2: So this is awesome.

56:10 Speaker 1: This has been a I cannot wait to really dig in here. Uh, this is a story, it's a very it's a very interesting. Ah, it touches on almost everything, and I feel like it's it's one of those it's one of these stories that I think that more people need to pay attention to because I think you're right. If there's one thing that I agree with you on, if regardless of any of this is true, is religion is actually not helping us.

56:47 Speaker 2: What it is is factionalizing us. Yeah, by it it's inherently causing division and and separation between people, like this tower of babble, right, yes, the separation of people.

57:04 Speaker 1: Well when when when humans are united, no, you know, united, no nationalism, no racism, take all of that away. If we could get above that, there's nothing that we couldn't do.

57:19 Speaker 2: That's right, right, There's nothing that we couldn't do. That's why.

57:25 Speaker 1: You know, when you see people come together, like a country, for instance, whether it was for the right reasons the wrong reasons. After nine to eleven United States, if you're here.

57:37 Speaker 2: People people in the in the in the wake of that tragedy, I had never seen people come together.

57:49 Speaker 1: So strongly, and it seemed like there was something in the air, like nothing could stop us. And again I'm not saying it was for the right reasons, the wrong reasons, you know.

58:03 Speaker 2: And yeah, it's this analogy, but but the country, everyone had a United States flag flying. Everyone was listening to creed mixes of uh of of patriotic like George Bush. It was crazy, the it was infectious. But we're so look what's Look, Look what's happening today? The division? Right, Yeah, it's and it's because we're putting our You're either left or you're right. If and if you're if you think differently, you're the enemy.

58:37 Speaker 3: I think people lack the knowledge that the politicians come and go every four eight years, but there's a group of people that runs everything behind the.

58:46 Speaker 2: Scenes, the deep state.

58:47 Speaker 3: It really doesn't matter whether it's the Republican or Democrat in power.

58:52 Speaker 1: Is the puppet the deep state, the career bureaucrats, which were never supposed to be a thing that was. The government wasn't designed for career politicians. It wasn't designed that way. Just he's a good friend of mine, Yes, and I worked with him too, so that he wrote a very very interesting article on the origins of the deep state. Yes, actually came from all and all those people, correct, and Alan Dallas, geez, we got to take that break. But yeah, so we'll get into more of this. But this is where I want to go with it as making those connections because I think if we can spark that audience, because I think I think people will really resonate with a lot of what this book touches on.

59:42 Speaker 1: So let's take a quick break and then we'll get we'll get deep into this, right all right, so we are back from the break, my friend, how are you good?

59:57 Speaker 2: All right?

59:57 Speaker 3: Good?

59:58 Speaker 2: Good, good good. So I want to us more into these themes here obviously, and I'll start off. You know, I want to open this up.

1:00:10 Speaker 1: And the book says humans exist physically only to develop spiritually. So they exist physically only to develop spiritually. How do you interpret that? And you know, is our physical reality training us or testing us for whatever comes next? You talk about reincarnation, so you know, what are we here to do in the in the ultimate scheme of things?

1:00:39 Speaker 3: So we are here to learn spiritual lessons where you seeing our physical body as a two to learn the lessons that we need to learn to progress to go through the different filters until we reach a state which is equivalent to the state of paradise or the Creator, so we can all become the creator or part of the Creator, but only if we learn sufficient spiritual lessons. And I think a lot of ancient scriptures say this, but some sometimes they use the story to to as parables. So it's I see life just like a test in which the questions already pre made.

1:01:27 Speaker 3: We had the free will. We have the free will to respond to the questions correctly or incorrectly, or to get a perfect store or to fail. So this is our own choice.

1:01:39 Speaker 1: And that's that karma scale, right that this way? And do you think that because there's been this idea presented amongst you know, the UFL community and and and you know, the larger spiritual community, if you will, but the fact that you know, we are all experiencing like where nodes of this this oneness, this source, and we're all experiencing a different aspect of it and returning to that source with these different experiences, right, you know, Like, so we're the That's what hell would be, is right, is finding out that you know, every person you've.

1:02:25 Speaker 2: Ever wronged, you're only doing it to yourself.

1:02:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, exactly, Because when a lot of people who have near death experiences tell that after they pass they experienced. Everything that they experienced in their life is shown to them as a holographic film. They can experience and feel the pains and sufferings that they want the people they wanted. They can also feel the happiness and the appreciation of the people they helped. So in a sense, it's kind of like a life review process to see how evaluate how they did their lifetime and they will be able to learn the mistakes they made and to be improving their next reincarnation.

1:03:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is common again, like you said, among near death experiencers. And you know, I think that's like the idea of where maybe like you know, because where does the paranormal fit into all of this? You know, we're like, of course, you know, the story resonates because of course there's you know, a non human intelligence with the ovens, right, there's the craft that explains what we see in the sky, their ability to uh create.

1:03:41 Speaker 2: Things out of thin air.

1:03:43 Speaker 1: You know, it explains why our ancestors may have called them or mistaken them for gods uh and praying to them and you know, created religions for them or you know, it all makes sense to me, But where does like the paranormal and the supernatural fit into all this.

1:04:02 Speaker 3: It depends on which topic you're referring to. If you're do ghosts like the ets, explain what ghosts are. Ghosts are the part of the astrobody after person passes, which remains on earth until they're recycled by nature or when a person reincarnates. So what happens that when a person passes, the astrobody leaves the physical body, and then because the astrobody is composed of electrons, eighty one percent of electrons will go to their higher self after three days. And then this is why Christ resurrected after three days.

1:04:43 Speaker 3: This well independent culture, the corpse of the dead are not to be touched for at least three days because they think that the cycle has not been completed yet. So this is why. But the other nineteen percent of electrons will remain in nature, and because they're compulsive electrons, they resemble the appearance of the person who who lived. Because they also contain memories, this is why ghosts frequently frequently hunt the places they love or hate it.

1:05:17 Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so that that would make a lot of sense. The wow wow, So in getting back to these messianic figures, you know, Obviously, many spiritual traditions talk about reincarnation tele that they consciousness beyond the brain consciousness. How does the Deuba's explanation connect or conflict with the traditional esoteric or scientific views.

1:05:49 Speaker 3: They actually tell Michelle how a person's brain functions are is connected to the higher self through the cerebral Now, so what happens that in dreams or when a person meditates, or when a person is having a very spiritual experience, the astrobody of the person connects to the higher self of that person. So through this connection, directions or guidiance is given to that person to overcome the challenges in their life. And this is a very unique process in which people can just actually meditate or pray or just have a good idle sleep to receive guidiance from their own higher self.

1:06:39 Speaker 1: I was gonna you know, I was going to say, because it seems that, you know, the the idea of the kingdom or the peace of God inside of us, right, this divine spark inside of us is connected to some sort of something else. Whether it's that oneness or or or not, I don't know, uh, but you know, musicians often talk about it. Geniuses often talk about it about how it seems that you know, these thoughts, these amazing works of art, seem to come through them from somewhere else, you know, genius.

1:07:22 Speaker 2: People talk about it all the time, like the.

1:07:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, the the I think you know Einstein, Tesla, they all said, they all credited something else. It wasn't It was the knowledge coming through them and they were just a vessel. So it seems, you know, very interesting to me, Like what is consciousness and it must play an ultimate or dominant role in what we see as life?

1:07:58 Speaker 3: Yes, definitely. Cash business is a very important concept and which is talked about in this book as well. And actually, in order to overcome the challenges on earth or the difficulties that people face, we really have to form a collective conscionists to act together using non violence resistance to rise up against the tyrannies in the world right because we are facing the cabo or the cartel of special interest groups, people who control the financial or the maneatory system in order to gain profits themselves.

1:08:35 Speaker 3: So in order to rise up against this group of people, people need to have the knowledge and also to use non violence to really form a collective action. Because if you really think about it. If we stop working for these people, we each individual would lose very little, like the early wage or something like that. But the tail, the people in the cartail, they will lose humongous amount of money because they rely or depend our labor to profit themselves. They will lose hundreds of minutes of dollars for each hour we start working for them.

1:09:12 Speaker 3: But people have to act together to really against the status quo the system.

1:09:19 Speaker 2: Here, I couldn't agree more. Again, it's this idea of that larger, the parable.

1:09:26 Speaker 1: Or the the idea of that tier Babbel is the separation of people, the facts factionalization of people. And I think it's a real big problem in the quote unquote UFO community and anything. Anytime you dub something like a community, factions rise in that community. Right, So it seems the UFO community, you know, we aren't getting anything done because we're busy fighting each.

1:09:57 Speaker 3: Other, right Hypatrick.

1:09:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it often causes this problem where we're not focused on the ultimate goal, which should be some sort of disclosure, right it should be, And we try to fake ourselves and trick ourselves into thinking that is that is what we're doing.

1:10:19 Speaker 1: But unless you're out there and you're and you're doing something about it, you're not.

1:10:25 Speaker 2: And when you are the person that's out there doing something, you know, I know you've done a ton, you know, of traveling for talking about this book. You know, I've done a lot of things in d.

1:10:38 Speaker 1: C with with Like I said, I've taken action, but I also know my place right and I'm humble in that sense, like I know my place is right here in this microphone, having conversations with people like you, and then I do what I do on this, you know, with facilitating what I can with members of Congress and trying to move the needle.

1:11:01 Speaker 2: I know what my job is and I don't try to be anything. I'm not right. I'm not a UFO guru. But why do you think I'd be interested.

1:11:15 Speaker 1: If the ultimate goal is a government disclosure, if that is the only thing that is labeled Capital D disclosure. Do you see something like that happening when the president comes out and announces that we're not alone.

1:11:31 Speaker 3: I think it's possible, but it really requires a grassroots movement or action by the people, the populist people, the mass, because if the mass doesn't really say anything about this, these special interest groups are still going to control what they have been controlling over the last few decades. So I think we have to mobilize the mass the people. If you really look at history, all the great revolutions started at the bottom, the bottom up process and now the top down process.

1:12:03 Speaker 2: Right, civil rights movement, the for for women's women's rights, all of these things, uh for for uh you know, gay lesbian rights.

1:12:17 Speaker 1: These are bottom up movements that took on the snowball effect. So could you actually see people taking that kind of effort with a topic.

1:12:29 Speaker 3: Like this, Well, I think we need to really know what people care about first and then gradually insinuit messages of spirituality and disclosure to the people who care about their day to day issues. There are ways to go about that, and actually have been planning to start the grassroot effort in the US and also in other parts of the world to wake people up because people care about their financial issues, their health, their family.

1:13:00 Speaker 2: I was a thing.

1:13:01 Speaker 1: The bandwidth is very small for this right when we look around and you know, California's on fire every other year. Protests are happening because of you know, call it what you will, but all of the stuff that's happening right now you know with with you name it, and to put that into context. Right now, we're living in a time when you know, like say, whether you support ICE is what they're doing or not.

1:13:31 Speaker 2: Like I'm not here to pick a side, but you know, people are getting shot on the street, and like protests are happening over massive fraud. So it's hard for me to think about like when all that's happening, When wars are happening in Ukraine and throughout the Middle East like.

1:13:50 Speaker 5: Iran and Iran in Israel or you know, the Palestine in Israel, when all that's happening, are people really going to care about UFOs.

1:14:03 Speaker 3: I think it's important for people to have the knowledge that the people, the citizens of all the different countries do not want wars at all. I've talked to a lot of people and they do not want wars. But if you are the shareholder of a defense company that sells weapons to each side, then you would want wars. You would want to create wars so that you can still and continue to sell the weapons to the sides. And I think this is probably one of the reasons why there are wars in the world, because they're created by the people who wear everything behind the scenes.

1:14:40 Speaker 3: When people have the knowledge, then they can take actions to stop that from happening. They can really mobilize themselves and start a peaceful nonvaliin resistance movement in different countries. And I think that's actually one of the examples that the ETS gave us stated in the book that it only took about four people to start a movement and to change a government regime from the dictatorship government totalitarian regime into a democratic, more spiritual regime in which no wars occurred afterwards.

1:15:18 Speaker 3: It only took four people. That actually occurred when the four people protested in front of the palace of the government and then unfortunately they got killed. But people started to wake up after learning what happened, and it created this kind of inertia or snowball effects and people stopped working. They had a general strike. Everyone joined participated, including the police, including doctors and lawyers and professionals, and then the government had a shut down. And then this is what really caused the government to have the change.

1:15:57 Speaker 3: And I think that can happen to a lot of the countries in this world right now. And and but that has to be started to start at the grassroots level, because only that happened. When that happens, it can be long lasting because if you start to change at the top of the government, the president or the or or the president people, then then it's not going to have the support of the mass. It's not going to be stable. So this is why we need to have this kind of inertia or collective action.

1:16:38 Speaker 6: One second, the camera, the silver cameram collective action.

1:17:10 Speaker 3: Yes, so.

1:17:13 Speaker 1: Okay, so collective action is And so it sounds like maybe what we could do is.

1:17:22 Speaker 2: Couple couple on.

1:17:24 Speaker 1: This idea of coming together unity, right and wanting that more spiritual democratic society. We have to have a common goal and something to fight for, right.

1:17:38 Speaker 3: But before that happens, people need to have the knowledge how the system is working incorrectly and the real dangers facing us for the people on earth. Once people have the knowledge, they will know how to make the right choices in the future. So this is why I've been pushing so much up about this book, because the book reveals the knowledge that people need to be empowered with.

1:18:06 Speaker 1: Okay, so and and that's I think that is uh something that is desperately desperately needed. I mean, we're we're now seeing governments admit, right at least admit that UAPs and non human intelligence that they are seeing it.

1:18:27 Speaker 2: Do you believe that's true or is it? Do you think that there's some sort of controlled, carefully crafted narrative being pushed out by the government, uh to kind.

1:18:43 Speaker 1: Of subvert from what to subvert any real disclosure of the technological advancement that they've been able to thrive on, and you know, give us a bone.

1:18:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think that if I were the legacy group or the group of people that control this kind of technology, disruptive technology, I would definitely not want the public to know about it. I would keep it secret as long as possible and gradually disclosing it with the prolonged the process. So if I were then then I would definitely do this. So it's reasonable for that to happen. However, I think we the people need to make the effort to have the curiosity to know what is really going on in order to help ourselves, because the knowledge contained in the book not only can help our financial issues or problems in life, but also related to our health.

1:19:47 Speaker 3: Because if you read into the book, you're going to realize what is wrong with our medical system because the commissional drugs they focus on solving the symptoms but not the root causes of the issues, the medical diseases or condition. And and also it reveals that the traditional Chinese medicine can really help people to improve their energy feels which influenced our physical body. So this book contains a lot of practical knowledge and ways that can actually help a lot of people. I think that can really help the people to be educated and to really help themselves.

1:20:30 Speaker 2: So this book's very well rounded in its messages. Right, it's and it's from a person, and it's from a time where it's like, how did he how did he know all this stuff?

1:20:44 Speaker 1: He didn't know that, he didn't know it, he was told it and then he wrote it. And it's being verified now through scientific understanding and advancement, right with this blue light technology that those kind of things that are literally through the book are now being seen commercially.

1:21:03 Speaker 2: There's like, you know, red light chambers people are using.

1:21:11 Speaker 2: All these advancements are seemingly confirmed from a book from a guy who says he got the information from a non human intelligence that is not from this world. That you see what I'm going with this from a guy who had no understanding of what these in what he's writing about and how it would come into play. There's no way that he would.

1:21:37 Speaker 1: Understand that technology, unless because you said he's a landscaper from Australia. How is he so accurate in the depictions of technology that would soon revolutionize this stuff?

1:21:53 Speaker 3: Yes, and not only that, it also reveals a lot of the things that people have been wondering about.

1:22:01 Speaker 2: Who build a great pyramid of Egypt? So who did?

1:22:04 Speaker 3: Who did thoth the person from Atlantis? Yes, and he was a very wise and learned person who had the knowledge to use anti gravitational technologies to lift the huge stones.

1:22:23 Speaker 3: And then because if you neutralize gravity, no matter how heavy the stones were, they would become like Williss without weight. So he had the knowledge to use anti gravitational technologies. At the same time, he also knew how to cut the huge stones in a very precise manner you see ultrasound technologies. So he had the knowledge so that he was able to line the stones perfectly to make a great pyramid, so that it could be used as an energy center, so that the ancient pharaohs said in the King's chamber through meditation, could communicate with people on different planets.

1:23:00 Speaker 3: So this actually happened about seventeen thousand years ago when Thoughts built this, and.

1:23:08 Speaker 1: Then seventeen thousand years ago, yes, which obviously predates what they say by many years. So the Great Pyramid is this cosmic phone with other.

1:23:29 Speaker 3: Worlds communications center or energy center that can not only communicate with people on different planets, but also to make rain through a middle alloway.

1:23:40 Speaker 2: Plate make sorry, make what make rain?

1:23:44 Speaker 3: So to make Egypt or near the area to fertile, to have rainfall.

1:23:51 Speaker 2: Right, the Giza area was very lush right at one point and not the desert that we see.

1:24:00 Speaker 3: Yes, because we don't know how to use that anymore, but in the past.

1:24:05 Speaker 1: Okay, So so what what would power such a structure? Would it be liquid mercury like some have suggested, you know going through these uh now they're they're I don't know if you saw the Saar scans of what looked like U copper rods going down with this.

1:24:26 Speaker 3: The subterraneal st So what happens is that with that pyramid structure, it can capture cosmic and terrestrial energies so that it could be used as an energy center. So this further proofs that it can capture terrestrial energies through the subterraneal structures that recently was discovered.

1:24:48 Speaker 1: Do you think Tesla was tapped into that same idea, I think same technology.

1:24:55 Speaker 3: I think mentioned about the pyramid. Yes, so I think he had this knowledge as well. But unfortunately, fourteen thousand and five years ago we had a second grade reset, which coincided with the disappearance of the Muria and Atlantis in the Pacific Ocean Atlantis Atlantic Ocean. So once the two continents disappeared, we had the second great reset, the loss of ancient knowledge. During the time of Moses, there were still ancient mystical schools that taught about the spirituality and also the magic that the people of the Egyptian pharaohs were able to had their assistance to produce.

1:25:42 Speaker 3: But in the time of the births of Jesus, most of the people did not have the knowledge anymore. So this is why when Christ occurred and performed the miracles, people believed in the teachings of Christ because use the eaties knew they had to send someone want their own to perform the miracles. You know, they're for the teachings of Christ to be believed by the people at that time, because the people in the past as well as people nowadays, they're highly skeptical. Unless someone can perform miracles, his teachings wouldn't have been believed at the people.

1:26:21 Speaker 1: What do you think of guys like Chris blood celluh who are able to call in these angelic what he refers to as angelic orbs through his mind through meditation. It's like, it's exactly what you're talking about. What do you what do you make of that?

1:26:42 Speaker 2: And what he talks about the lady, the lady gave him a prophecy that involved the Sphinx the Star of Regulus, and I mean, it all seems to connect.

1:26:53 Speaker 3: What did the lady say about the Sphinx?

1:26:56 Speaker 2: So what she said is that when when the Star of Regulus lay upon the gaze of the Sphinx, human kind will go through a awakening experience a great knowledge. And astronomers have been trying to chart it out. And the Star of Regulus is the King Star, right, and it it's we don't know.

1:27:35 Speaker 1: Apparently it's Easter twenty twenty six, but it's being debated when that's actually going to occur because.

1:27:43 Speaker 2: In that they also said the star would appear red, and it's a blue star.

1:27:50 Speaker 1: So I'm not that part doesn't really line up unless it would appear red over the horizon because of the glow of the you know how like the sun becomes like a red I'm not sure.

1:28:02 Speaker 3: So, so I think Chris Blessol is a good way, a gradual step for most Americans to wake up to the fact that there's a connection between God and it is and also we should follow the teachings of Christ. Was interesting about the Sphins is that Michelle Mrkay of this book, he did not write this in the book, but he was told that when the time is right, when we are ready, we can open up the sphins and find the three chambers beneath the Sphinx. Once that happens, yeah.

1:28:39 Speaker 2: Keep going, I'll tell you something after.

1:28:41 Speaker 3: Once that happens, everything will be known because there's air their secrets and knowledge in the three chambers beneath the Sphinx.

1:28:51 Speaker 2: WHOA wow, Well there's this guy who worked with Chris but Rod God, I can't remember his name right now, Jamie pull it up. No, say, we don't have a Jamie.

1:29:05 Speaker 7: We just have a but uh so this, this person that Bledsoe is working with, was they were looking for.

1:29:16 Speaker 1: This ruby, this red ruby that you'd place on the paw of the sphinx or between the paws of the sphinx, and it would open up and let you into chambers under the sphinx that held great knowledge, just like you're saying, or just like was written in the book that there was this great knowledge under the paw under the sphinx, and in the it only so Chris is suggesting, what if the star of Regulus is that ruby and it has to line up with the gaze of the sphinx, because if it lined up with the gaze of the Sphinx, it would line up with the pause as well.

1:29:56 Speaker 1: So could the ruby that be this star of regular.

1:30:00 Speaker 3: I'll do more research on that, but I think right now we are not ready to open the chambers because the technologies and the knowledge can help us but also destroy us.

1:30:11 Speaker 1: But it would because it would be be seized by a corrupt government now or a corrupt Egyptian the Egyptian antiquities departments that I mean, did you see that Joe Rogan episode where he was on It was the worst episode ever, it was the worst. What's that guy's name,

1:30:36 Speaker 1: yaas he's he is just he is so ignorant.

1:30:41 Speaker 2: He is a very ignorant man.

1:30:43 Speaker 1: And so getting back to the book, do you do you believe that there are some non human intelligence that may deliberately be misleading humanity, posing as saved years, gods or even angels.

1:31:03 Speaker 3: I would say some people on Earth will be trying, would be trying to do that in the near future, or have been doing that, uh the egs. They will be prevented from doing that. I mean, the only it is that will likely to think about doing this are the ones that are not so spiritually advanced. Great, because they're messing up with the civilization on Earth, and they will be prevented by the theobens uh from messing with us on our mind because we are we are like elementary school and their guardians or their protector protections against the foreign invaders uh to to really influence, uh negatively the development of the students in the elementary school.

1:31:51 Speaker 3: So I would think that their role, the thebans uh is to really protect us, to keep us in an environment reach we can grow ourselves. They would prevent the invaders from doing some horriful things to us.

1:32:07 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, And how I mean is discernment the most important survival skill in the coming era of disclosure, Like because with the advancements of things like AI and you know, AI video is particularly getting really already realistic, and you know, because this discernment of what's actually true is going to be a big factor in what is consensus reality. Because even though two plus two equals four, if society just deems there's five, and and you know, a bunch of videos go out, propaganda goes out saying it's five, the consensus reality becomes that it's five.

1:33:00 Speaker 2: Right, it doesn't matter that the real answer is for what? So does the truth matter? It does matter, I think, right, just.

1:33:09 Speaker 3: Like four hundred years ago, a lot of people in the Catholic religion believed that we were the center of the universe. And there are people who disagreed and they got burned.

1:33:21 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, you know, what was it.

1:33:26 Speaker 3: I think that there were several people, But there was.

1:33:29 Speaker 1: A galileo got they put him on house arrest, and they ruined his reputation, reputation because he he had a telescope, and all they had to do is look through the telescope to see that that we were not the center of the universe, and the church put him on the house arrest they you know, because that was hearsay.

1:33:55 Speaker 2: So it seems like guys.

1:33:57 Speaker 1: Like Graham Hancock, guys like Michelle de Marque, they were there ahead of their time and maybe a little bit too ahead of their time.

1:34:07 Speaker 2: But is that on? Is that by design because it makes them more credible?

1:34:14 Speaker 3: Well, I think people have different evolutionary stages. Some people are old souls, some people are younger souls. The younger souls will learn the different lessons from the people who have older souls, so so people will will learn different lessons. So I think in the coming age of AI, people need to have the discernment to really look inside and find out what they really want to be living and not to be swayed by the AI results or the government propaganda.

1:34:48 Speaker 2: The government narratives and all that.

1:34:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I can again, I couldn't agree more. So, what like, what do you think about or what does the book say about other abduction experiences and this idea of a.

1:35:12 Speaker 2: Librization program.

1:35:15 Speaker 3: I think the hybrid division program is uh the program that involves the military, the US military, or the secret of secret government programs. I don't think they're directly involved. I mean, the highly densets are not directly involved.

1:35:35 Speaker 1: So you think that again it's as a more crude objective. It sounds more human and more human posing.

1:35:43 Speaker 2: As abduction experiences. My law, my yeah, military, my labs, my labs.

1:35:51 Speaker 3: There are man made programs. And I do think that we currently the military has the ability to really impose or inject memories onto people's brains so that they believed that they had certain experiences in a specific secre space program. And I really think that the abduction experiences in which the abductees had been harmed or had been fearful of such experience are actually part of the military programs. And I think the real abduction experiences, or the experiences by Chad Markay or Enoch are actually very pleasant experiences in which knowledge is learned and then they can share to the people on Earth.

1:36:42 Speaker 2: How long was Enoch gone?

1:36:44 Speaker 3: You know, did not come back according to legends, and but that really occurred before the flood. A few decades later, Noah was told to build the arc. So you can imagine the timing. Timing wise Marka was taken by the Ets to their planet and a few decades later, what would happen? You've seen parallel analogy?

1:37:07 Speaker 2: Wow? Wow, so we are running this. So do you think you know it was in was was potentially in seeing the the Ubans?

1:37:21 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, because when Michelle came back, why.

1:37:25 Speaker 1: Was he able to stay so much longer? Because he well, he might have been an older soul, right, he was probably an ancient soul like he was a Hebrew yeap oh oh that totally makes sense, right you said that?

1:37:41 Speaker 2: Oh my god? Wow? Whoa yea hmmm. Where do you go from there?

1:37:51 Speaker 3: Yeah?

1:37:51 Speaker 2: Because so okay, all of these prophecies, all of these these things that are told to us, whether it's quite so Quattle, whether it's the Watchers, whether it's any any figure like that, they always say they're going to return, right, yeah, h Are we on the precipice of something like that?

1:38:27 Speaker 3: I agree?

1:38:28 Speaker 2: I think so the return of Christ, like, could that be something that? I mean?

1:38:34 Speaker 3: So what happens is that I kind of think it's my personal opinion is that that's equivalent to the time when we turn in our examination sheets so we can actually test yet a test we can actually have a perfect score, but we can also fail the test.

1:38:53 Speaker 2: I don't think we have a perfect score.

1:38:55 Speaker 3: So this is why everyone needs to wake up and to have the knowledge to get a perfect score. This is why I've been pushing so hard to let people know about the books.

1:39:05 Speaker 2: And in just how many pages? Is one hundred and seventy or so in one hundred and seventy pages, that is all that in one hundred and seventy page. How long is the Bible it's made up of? How many I think it's over nine hundred pages, and it can be condensed into something like one hundred and seventy pages.

1:39:27 Speaker 3: I think it's has more information knowledge than the Bible, quite a feat because if you read the New Testaments and Old Testaments of the Bible, you're going to really know that the Old tests of the Bible, in essence, it is about the ten commendments and also the most important one is do not worship idols. And all the New Testaments of the Bible is a false part profits, yes, profits. The New test of the Bible is looking side for answers and learn about love, and I think those those are the essence of the Bible.

1:40:01 Speaker 3: But we will read this book. You're going to learn the ancient civilizations, the Pyramid, the Bermuda Triangle, parallel Universe, how the Etis come to Earth, how they get out of the Earth, the Akashic Record, the time machine, Philadelphia experiment, and also.

1:40:21 Speaker 2: Talk to me about the Philadelphia experiment.

1:40:24 Speaker 3: So according to the Etis, the US government has been trying to develop a.

1:40:30 Speaker 2: Time machine and the Townsend Brown.

1:40:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they say they actually explain to us that it's possible to go back in time. Tend to look at the past because when a planet is born, there's a cycle sphere that rotates that seven times the speed of light that records and documents everything that happens on the planet. When you match the vibrational frequency of the cycle sphere, which just seven times the speed of light, you can actually access the Akashic Record or the past as an observer. So what happens that Michelle actually was taken to see what happened in the past when the continent of the Muria sunk into the ocean.

1:41:18 Speaker 3: He actually saw what happened as an observer. So you cannot change the past because it's just like a holographic film. But you can see what happened in the past. As an observer, you cannot see the future.

1:41:34 Speaker 1: The same idea as like the chronovisor yeah from the Vatican's right, like you can only watch. You could not interfere because of course the grand grandfather paradox stuff like that, like or the butterfly effect. Like changing anything in the past will alter a future or create a branch timeline.

1:41:56 Speaker 3: You cannot change anything in the past, right, it's a holographic right, like watching a film, right, and you can you can know the probabilities of the future, but you cannot really precisely predict what exactly going to have in the future because the future is changeable. We have a free will to change the future.

1:42:17 Speaker 2: There's many futures that it's it's the same thing as the the the probability. Uh so.

1:42:28 Speaker 1: All the shirtinger's cat, right, it's put in the box, and you know there's poison in the box. We don't know that the cat is dead and both dead and alive until an observer looks in. So there's multiple possibilities, right, there's multiple outcomes and until a conscious observer just observes both of the possibilities exist, right, So the is both alive and dead until someone looks and realize, you know, enters that future where they know it's direct apprehension.

1:43:09 Speaker 2: Yes, but very interesting.

1:43:13 Speaker 3: But certain major points nexus yeah points uh, you a person's life is they're they're fixed because like well a person is boring to the life, uh, the entire life. The major events are shown to that person before he or she her astrobodic goes into the embryo. So so we have to accept the life, the major important events in the life, in one's life, so those events are actually fixed, like who you're going to marry, Like the major incidents that will cause you to become a disabled person.

1:43:54 Speaker 1: The cannon events, the events that define who you become. Right, those are the those are the big tests, the obstacles those are those are set, Those are set, and then I see what you're saying.

1:44:08 Speaker 3: Those are just like the questions on examination sheet. Those are determined, predetermined, and then how to respond to the challenges depend on your action, your your choice.

1:44:21 Speaker 2: So we have free will to a degree, to a degree that's quite quite the h o gosh.

1:44:34 Speaker 1: So with all that being said, I mean I'm curious to know have you ever seen like a UF have you ever seen a UFO.

1:44:45 Speaker 2: You've never seen a UFO. What would you do if, like, what what would you do if if the Theubans contacted you? Well, would you talk about it?

1:44:59 Speaker 3: I definitely would talk about it. But in my conscious mind and subconscious mind, I want to do everything on my own to navigate the system to really spread the knowledge to as many people as possible, not just people in the US or China or tailor, but people in all parts of the world that I think it needs to be a global effort, and in the process, I want to do it on my own as much as possible so I can learn as much as possible. It's similar to when you have your child, your son to learn mathematical problem.

1:45:33 Speaker 3: You really want him to solve the problem on his own so that he can learn how to solve the problem. If you just give him the answers directly, then he wouldn't be able to learn. So I want to learn as much as possible possible through the process without the assistance of the ets of the Thebans. So this is in my subconscious mind. I want to really experience everything on my.

1:45:56 Speaker 1: Own, almost like a control Yeah, right, you're you're you're non tampered with, right, you're non you have no bias built in because okay, then I honestly that's respectable. But I think you deserve like a sighting, like just a craft. You know, I've had my own of a of a disc shaped craft.

1:46:18 Speaker 2: What what was the type of craft that they flew in spiracle?

1:46:22 Speaker 3: It's like a wrong bowl one hundred meters in diameter.

1:46:26 Speaker 2: It's like so again, sounding like Enoch the wheel within the wheel, right, yeah, exactly, So that's interesting, that's interesting.

1:46:40 Speaker 1: Do you think that the more so? Obviously that would think so do you think, I mean, do you think crash retrievals have happened of it? Sounds like you do from what you said earlier.

1:46:50 Speaker 2: But again it's it's these lower, lower, lower tier civilizations.

1:46:54 Speaker 3: Yes so, And the US government has been learning from the piers. The difference is speak in the US and China, is that the US government has a secret program to reverse engineer the crashed ET vehicles. The China also does it, of course, but but but the book is more popular in China, So the mass, the Chinese public knows more about the higher level the masters, the e T masters than the US public. Yes, so, so the difference is this. So I think it's the time for the US public to wake up and to gain as much knowledge as the Chinese public.

1:47:39 Speaker 3: I mean, the people in China are very different from the government, so we have the separated too. The government is uh bureaucratic and really have.

1:47:50 Speaker 1: The same issues as we have, but just on another level. Right, Like there's let's face it, like there are two different governments, but two you know, radically different but ultimately fall to the same problems. Yes, the same issues corruption and greed, power, money, right, everything that corrupts the soul.

1:48:17 Speaker 3: Yes, And China is not doing really well economically and it has a lot of problems, and the people don't trust the government anymore. In the US people started to do the same. So I think it's time to empower the people with the right knowledge so that they can power themselves to start the revolution alone lasting revolution. In China, German Mall started the revolution at the grassroots level that he did not really persuade the leaders at that time to change the government. He started in the rural parts of the country and then the people started to mobilize themselves and things started to go on.

1:49:00 Speaker 3: I think similar things can happen in the US and globally. I think the power really lies in the hands of the people, the public.

1:49:08 Speaker 2: So okay, and this will this is about the future

1:49:18 Speaker 2: if humanity.

1:49:21 Speaker 1: Fails the test described in the Deuber prophecy. What does failure actually look like?

1:49:29 Speaker 2: Is that extinction? Is that a great reset God forbid or or or or something worse. I don't know what's worse than a great reset, but what what what does failure look like if we ultimately fail?

1:49:45 Speaker 3: So you know the story story of Noah, and you also know the story of son Go Mora. And I'll just give you an example. In the time of Southern Gomorra, the people in the two cities were still evil that they punished the compassionate people who helped, who helped the poor. And there's a story in the Jewish Torah, or the Bible, the Jewish scripture, that there's a young girl who gave food to the poor, but she was punished by the people in the in the city, and then she cried out to the Lord and of Jehovah, and and so so became the story of the destruction Southern Gomorrah.

1:50:30 Speaker 3: So it's not just about sodomy. It's about how the people behaved in the two cities. They punished the people who were compassionate, and the people who were in contact with them God affected. So when you have a malignant tumor in your body, it's probably better to surgically remove the tumor so that doesn't spread to the rest the rest of the body. So similarly, you can use the same analogy. You project what's going to happen if you fail the test?

1:51:04 Speaker 2: Oh lord?

1:51:06 Speaker 3: Yeah?

1:51:09 Speaker 1: Conversely, what does success look like for humanity in the next fifty to one hundred years?

1:51:17 Speaker 3: So I think we are You and I and just as well are going to see what's going to happen, which is the what people have been expecting. It's not going to come. It's not going to come next year or the next decade, but it's going to come in our lifetime. Because if you do the calculations, so between the time that Eno was taken, at the time when Noah was told to build an arc, when the flood really happened, they were about according to some calculations, it's forty to eighty years of time. So if you do the calculations, Michelle was taken in nineteen eighty seven, so forty to eighty years time.

1:52:10 Speaker 3: Then the event is going to happen for nineteen eighty seven.

1:52:19 Speaker 2: Okay, do you do you think humanity's greatest obstacle right now might be technology, fear, ego, or ignorance of our ignorance of our true nature.

1:52:35 Speaker 3: Yes, I think it's going to be technology. And also the influence influences of the cartel or the cabell composed of the people who control the companies and the secrets. So this is why it's important to mobilize the mass the public. I met Michelle and asked him. He told me that they are twelve families controlling everything behind the scenes, and asking who the twelve families were, and he told me nothing because the ets didn't tell him. But he assumed that the Roman Catholic Church is one of the twelve families, and there are others that are probably not well known to the public.

1:53:28 Speaker 3: It's definitely not the family that people speculate.

1:53:32 Speaker 1: No, of course, if and that's what I've always said, is the people that are pulling the strings, You've never heard of them, right, You've never heard of them. They it's not fame that they put on this whole you know show, it's the people that are controlling the Epstein's, the ditties, right, those are their public figures, right, and then they're getting blackmail on the most powerful people in all these industries, whether it's Harvey Weinstein in the film industry, whether it's a Ditty in the music industry, whether it's Epstein in the financial sector, which touches over to politics sadly, you know, corrupting the presidents, you know, blackmailing presidents.

1:54:21 Speaker 1: For me, logically, when I think about that, the same people that are behind that have to be the same people that are suppressing this technology, and they don't want to be known.

1:54:32 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you know. Accidentally I found some clues to the possible kind of people that those people are because the book talks about auras, so the human energy feels. And I really wanted to develop the ability to see the colors of ours.

1:54:50 Speaker 2: So I found it would help you in a in court as well.

1:54:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, side note. Yeah, So I found this forum that talks about a book in German language, a book in German that tells how to develop the ability to see or us. And I checked that book out and translated the book from Germany to English. That book happens to be the autobiography of the highest degree chair of a secret society that was founded in Germany, and the author details how the secret society was run and how he became the highest degree chair from a regular German college student. He had to pass through all the different competitions or tests to develop his psychic abilities, including the ability to see or us including the abilities to see the past and predict the future.

1:55:53 Speaker 3: And people who are interested in this can can also learn about the Elum not the card game, the card game that actually predicted the nine to eleventh event, the death of Princess Diana, and the Twin Tower h and also all of them.

1:56:12 Speaker 2: Wow.

1:56:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, so they are actually able to use a specific form a special form of astrology and numerology combined with their psychic abilities to see the probabilities of the future, and they actually use such abilities in a very bad way to control different politicians, business leaders, and those who key figures in public office. But that book is actually not recommended to to a lot of people to read because it's really really disturbing. It contains riographic descriptions on how they torture people in their ceremonies or or rituals, so sacrifice and yeah, so I'm not going to mention the name of the book, but but but you can see the kind of people who are pulling streams to influence the politicians and business leaders.

1:57:11 Speaker 3: And they are also families involved and different religious leaders involved. So I've been trying to figure out who those people are and I'm trying to get there. And if if you knows about that.

1:57:26 Speaker 2: I think Bohemian grove places like that.

1:57:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, the deep state and also those people.

1:57:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think I think, I think we could definitely team up on something like that where I'd love to help you expose something like that. Listen, if everything in the and and I I took this question from someone on who I told that was you're you're coming on the show. So I like to get one viewer question and the viewer question from our membership. If everything in the Deeper Prophecy were true, the audience knew all of that was fact, what would you tell them to change immediately in their lives?

1:58:15 Speaker 3: Meditate look inside for answers. The way is that when you meditate, you not only can increase the accounts or the number of stem cells, to improve your health. You can also get inside from your hair self directions how you can help yourself and others, directions on how you can influence or insunit the ideas of spirituality to your friends, your family members, and colleagues. And I think meditation is actually one of the best ways to not only help your health physical health, but also your spiritual well being and also to help others to know about the knowledge contained in the book.

1:58:57 Speaker 3: I think that's probably the best, the best way to go. Wow.

1:59:02 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and you know, we have a couple of minutes left. I wanted to kind of give you a rapid fire if you're.

1:59:12 Speaker 3: Up to it.

1:59:12 Speaker 1: Okay, right, yes, so, and I would love to have you back. You know that you have an open door to the studio anytime you want to be here. If angels exist, if the Watchers exist, the demons exist.

1:59:31 Speaker 3: No, there are imaginations. Well, for example, Hitler has to go through the sufferings of the Jewish people he killed. To him is actually kind of like a Hellish experience. But the demons are actually I would call them spirits that are puzzled. They don't know how to really get out of the world. They're confused, to spirits. I don't call them demons. I call them can fuse spirits. They can influence a person negatively, but there are ways to get them out. I wouldn't call them demons. I would say that there are people who have evil intentions or evil free will.

2:00:18 Speaker 3: They're not demons, okay.

2:00:21 Speaker 2: And if if, if Jesus was one of these beings, right, if if if that's if that's all true? Christ Christ? If Christ is one of those beings, will there ever be another? Or is that it? Like it doesn't It doesn't really make sense to me that that only the ancient world would get these get these beings? Why why? Why?

2:00:58 Speaker 3: Well? Uh, there are two are to answer the question. The first part is that they were in contact uh with us, with us in the ancient past. In ancient civilizations, for example, during the times of the Muria, they were in constant contact with the people on the continent of Themuria. Because people were highly spiritual, they were ready to make the contact. They were in constant contact. They helped the Liamorians to colonize parts of India and also other parts of the world, appearing like gods or goddesses.

2:01:30 Speaker 3: So this is why in Indian culture you see a lot of goddesses and then yeah, okay, And the other question part of the questions that will they come back? Uh? I would say yes, because they have come back in the past, like in the times of Noah or Enoch and also during the distraction to cities southern Gomorrah uh and also in the times of Moses and also during the birth of Jesus and also the reservation of Christ. They are we came back. Will they come back in the future. Definitely, Yes, when it's the time to turn our examination, they're going to come back to really evaliate how we did.

2:02:11 Speaker 2: And do you think that there will be chaos I mean ontological shock by people that aren't ready for this, like because let's say eighty percent of the world is ready for this test, but twenty percent aren't or is there going to be ontological shock?

2:02:32 Speaker 3: Definitely, there will be an ontological shock. They will. They will. I think feel confuse about but I think we still have a lot of time. So it's time for us to really bring the knowledge to as many people as possible so that you know, perfect scenario, everyone will be ready when that happens. Okay, we still have.

2:02:55 Speaker 2: Another time because I mean let's say let's say all of a.

2:03:00 Speaker 1: Sudden in Israel or you know, in that area, all of a sudden, something amazing happens and Christ returns, and you know, people are are people are going to wonder if this is real or if it's fake, and of course, you know, I guess they'll find out it's real. But that initial shock factor, the shock value, right.

2:03:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think some people be shocked, especially people who are not ready, like the Wednesday in Africa for example. But what about the anti Christ? So so let me put it this way. Christ came as the Messiah and he is inside indeed the Messiah in the Middle East. So he came in the Middle East appearing as the Messiah and he is indeed the Messiah. So so I wouldn't expect when that happened that someone is going to reappear in the Middle East.

2:04:04 Speaker 2: Well, why would he show up in the United States? Well, that doesn't make any sense to me.

2:04:10 Speaker 3: If if you read parts of the New Testament of four Gospels, it actually describes what's going to happen when Christ returns. Okay, so he's actually going to be a global phenomenon. Everyone will be able to see that happen.

2:04:30 Speaker 1: Well, the only way that that would be possible is if huh you see where I'm going?

2:04:37 Speaker 2: How would that would mean?

2:04:39 Speaker 1: That it would be global, but he would have to be localized somewhere and then tap into every mind. Remember to tell telepathy to some unfathomable degree.

2:04:55 Speaker 3: Remember a Christ came by himself on Earth. It doesn't have to be like this in the future. And there are different kinds of eats, and and for each species of ets, there are so many of them.

2:05:12 Speaker 2: Whoa man, this has blowing my mind, so all of a sudden, everyone would just have him in their head.

2:05:22 Speaker 3: No, it's gonna be physical.

2:05:26 Speaker 2: Oh god, what put it? We're gonna put a pin in that because we're gonna have long discussion about that.

2:05:34 Speaker 1: Uh, the next time you next time you hear I want to talk to you about just real quick part of this rapid fire. Do are is there such thing as this galactic federation that has been talked about a lot of people speculate that there are multiple species. But then guys like High Esched of the Israeli the Space Program, He's he's like the equivalent to the director of NASA. He said that there's this this galactic federation that Trump knows about and the United States is part of that. It does did they talk about that and in in these in this book?

2:06:28 Speaker 1: And is that true?

2:06:30 Speaker 3: It's true that there are different species of ets and nuclebe galaxy, at least one hundred and forty seven different species. And actually Michelle saw the corpse of different etis displayed in the Golden Docal in the book as described, and there there are different appearances of different etis. And I will say that there should be a galactic federation and when the this closure happens, or when the Second Coming occurs, the and the Hebrews or the Jewish people will have to be involved. So there's no way that it wouldn't be involved either they're different.

2:07:09 Speaker 3: And and also I would say that there are different roles of different species of ets. For example, the Jehovens, the the Evens. Their role is to guide us. They have been guiding us throughout history, and the role is continuously going to be like as.

2:07:27 Speaker 1: A teaching teachers, teachers, Okay, yeah, okay, And how can people find you? How can people get a hold of the book.

2:07:40 Speaker 2: I'll put a little QR code right here. I don't know what shot we're on right now.

2:07:46 Speaker 1: If we go to the long shot, there'll be a QR code that will bring you to Amazon and it will bring you to the de Ober Prophecy the Golden Planet on Amazon and you can purchase the book there.

2:07:59 Speaker 2: But where can people follow you on online?

2:08:02 Speaker 3: People can find me on Facebook and also x as well as LinkedIn. I actually prefer LinkedIn because I can I can communicate more effectively about it.

2:08:13 Speaker 2: Awesome again, I'd love to have you back. We only again. We scratched a great surface here today, but there's so much more of the implications that I feel like I could talk to you about this for hours and hours and hours. What what is your advice two people in the UFO community, if you give them, if you give one piece of advice.

2:08:43 Speaker 3: Is that we are all created by the same creator and there's actually no need to really create divisions, factions, factions. And I think if you read a book to you but Prophecy, you're going to realize a lot of the things that the can be helpful to your personal life as well as your professional life, and also your efforts in promoting disclosure in the euthology UFO community.

2:09:13 Speaker 2: So being being the change you want to see.

2:09:17 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.

2:09:18 Speaker 2: Well, Samuel, what's next for your efforts?

2:09:24 Speaker 3: So I'm going to be starting this Glass Group movement, encouraging people to find the answers how to help their day to day life, how to be financially ready for the future, how to have better health, how to have better personal and family lives, and well like helping them to gain spiritual knowledge as well. Uh, and using my credential as a lawyer in California to really help as many people as possible to gain ground in the things that they need to know.

2:10:08 Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, And.

2:10:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've You've done truly amazing things so far, translating this book, creating it, giving it a revival, if you will, right, because so Michelle is no longer around, right, and you've been tasked or you've tasched yourself with continuing that legacy, right and giving it this new revival.

2:10:37 Speaker 2: You've tasked yourself with.

2:10:39 Speaker 3: Let me add on that. Well, you know, I'm going to follow the full steps of Gandhi India and doctor Martin Luther thirteen in the US in helping to start the Annound Weather Resistance movement and what happened to are actually pretty interesting, and I don't mind I'm being like that.

2:11:02 Speaker 2: Well, I thank you so much for for doing this and and for coming to the studio for this. I can't wait to have you back. And I think there's a few things that I'd love to work on with you. We've talked about that before, and now I think I'm kind of, you know, settling in here in the studio, and you know, I think now I'm ready to tackle a little bit of a larger a larger effort, right, something that is documenting, something like a documentary. So maybe we can put something together and work on something together where it's a documenting this grassroots effort and the creation of it.

2:11:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, So everyone, thank you so much. If you're listening on any audio platform, uh the I love Apple and Spotify, leave a rating and a review. It's the best way you can help the show. If you're watching on YouTube, make sure to like, share, subscribe, and ring that bell for notifications. If you want to help support the channel, you can become a member for as low as a price a cup of coffee a.

2:12:13 Speaker 1: Month and get early access to episodes like the one we just did, as well as exclusive material and priority questions to members to guests like Sam here. So thank you everyone. We'll see you on the other side. And Sam again, thank you so much for being here than we get to get you to the airport. So this has been an amazing, amazing discussion. Again, it's one hundred and seventy pages. Get the book or follow Sam and what he's doing. It's truly truly worth it in my opinion.

2:12:47 Speaker 2: And again, you're not trying to like be a UFO guru, right, You're just trying to get the message across, which I respect. All the work that you've done already, and how big of a deal it is for working with guys like Danny Sheen and the disclosure community. You know it costs money to do all these things. It's needed.

2:13:09 Speaker 1: So that's again you know your place, I know mine right, So until next time, everyone will see you on the other side. Stay humble, stay kind, and most of all, stay vigilant.

2:14:00 Speaker 2: Downt