29-Palms MASS UFO Sighting INSIDER Secrets Revealed by Former Marine

0:13 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Total Disclosure. Guys. My name's Ti. I am the host and creator of the show Tonight. We have a special special recording and this will be going out in a few different varieties. We recently, I recently have been involved in some debate and podcasts having to do with the twenty nine Palms UFO sighting of over twenty nine palms and with marines. Over fifty witnesses reported a massive response to a what seems to be a craft much like the Phoenix lights, a formation in five light seen in the sky and then Flair's in a massive response were in fact put forth and you know the the videos, the testimony.

1:17 Speaker 1: We've pretty much at this point gone through all of it. What we haven't done is talk to someone who was there, like Fate would have it, God's I don't know, aliens who knows, but aligned correctly for once and we are gonna be able to speak to One of the witnesses was the first person reported. The story that ended up on weaponis by Jeremy Corbel and George Knapp. The case has been obviously been broken by them, so the credit has to go to them. Absolutely. They broke this case and the d o D in Pentagon's response to it was pretty much that this was nothing more than a training exercise, that it was Flair's and the community literally just said, look, okay, sure,

2:23 Speaker 1: I don't know. For me, it was wild looking back on it, but I was one of those people. I was one of those people. I think so much was happening at the time in your apology that that we we let our guard down. We started trying to, you know, get transparency, pushed work with the government. Hell, I've had congressmen on the show. I mean, I get it, but I think we forgot something along the way, and that is that we are so bless this day. It is so nice to be in this community right now because there is stuff to talk about almost on a daily basis.

3:10 Speaker 1: But that was the problem for this case. So tonight where gonna get to the bottom of it, To the bottom of what the witnesses saw, why the DoD response is inaccurate and maybe a lie, and what integrity does witness testimony have in a world where you can convict someone for life in prison or even the death penalty in some states, why have we let our fundamentals go? Would that be subets introduced not witness military Marine Witness number one. It is very nice to have you on the show.

3:52 Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me.

3:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you reached out and you said that you'd like to clear the air. That's right, and to clear up some of the confusion that the community and specifically the debate that angle the whole DoD their response to this. I think that is where obviously there's a huge division right amongst the community at least.

4:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of misconceptions out there and being there myself, I see this on the internet everywhere, and I just want to clear some things up and hopefully answer a couple questions I haven't been answered yet.

4:40 Speaker 1: Yeah. So you gave testimony to Jeremy and George as part of that weaponized episode. Correct, Yes, Okay, Now can you tell me a little bit about you and your military job, what your title is and essentially what you were doing and why you were at Camp Wilson.

5:08 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I joined the Marine Corps in twenty eighteen.

5:13 Speaker 2: I actually went to twenty nine Palms twice or Camp Wilson twice, So the first time was twenty nineteen, and I guess you could call it a home base where I was stationed. I was stationed on Campbell Rezuo, North Carolina, and to go to the twenty nine Palms. Infantry units go there before they deploy. It's kind of part of your work up. You go there for about a month to a month and a half that time, we were there for a month, and it's basically a big training exercise. You have people from the East coast, you have people from the West Coast, from all sorts of different types of jobs.

5:46 Speaker 2: Personally, I was a mortarman, so if you don't know what that is, we shoot bombs out of tubes, to include illumination rounds, which I guess we'll get into a little bit later. Yes, that's pretty much it. I got out in twenty twenty two and just been living life ever since.

6:02 Speaker 1: Okay, so you remember the night in question? Yes? Can you give me the date of that? What that was?

6:12 Speaker 2: I believe it was April twentieth, in twenty twenty one.

6:17 Speaker 1: So for twenty Yes, that's how.

6:20 Speaker 2: I remember it. And we were not smoking that day. We actually seen what we saw.

6:25 Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're in the Marine Corps, so you're you're being drug tested, aren't you?

6:31 Speaker 2: Yeah? Occasionally regularly, I should say.

6:35 Speaker 1: Was there any alcohol in your system that night?

6:38 Speaker 2: I know there was not. They have a pretty tight lockdown on that when you're at Camp Wilson.

6:44 Speaker 1: And why would someone be at Camp Wilson if I was I was a morteman on four twenty twenty twenty one, tell me why I was at Camp Wilson.

6:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it offers Camp Wilson as a desert in the hobby desert, so it offers a little bit more of a realistic and current modern battlefield training for you know, to go to the Middle East usually, so as a mortarman, I was there to support the infantry guys. So if you're a mortarman, you would be shooting arounds and support of the guys that are on the ground.

7:23 Speaker 1: Oh really, so you uh you? Is it safe to say that you have worked with flares immensely?

7:34 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean in and out of the field week after week. And we always do night shoots when we're in the field. So we're usually in the field about a week at a time, and then every night we would shoot illumination rounds, which I think a lot of people are confusing those lights with illumination rounds or flares. So we shot those pretty regularly, so I'm very familiar with their patterns and flight times and whatever else. So pretty familiar with this type of stuff.

8:02 Speaker 1: Right, So let's not waste too much time. I want to get right into the heart and soul. So can you talk to me about the moment you spotted this formation of lights and you did you see it appear? How long was the duration of your experience with this?

8:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this happened at nighttime. We were all done for the day. I didn't personally see them appear, but there was a guy that was outside. The little buildings that we lived in were called hooches, so we were all inside the hooch laying down getting ready for bed. One of the guys outside that was on the phone. He came in and said, hey, guys, come check this out. What is this? So I walked out there and I seen a triangle of red lights and my first thought was, well, those are illumination rounds.

8:59 Speaker 2: But then a couple of minutes later I broke out the camera and could see the black shape underneath. So yes, I was responsible for a few of the photos and videos.

9:09 Speaker 1: Someone alerts you to the craft being there. One of the things that I think is contested a lot, And before I get to my formal questioning, I kind of just want to loosely ask this because when you were alerted to this and you came outside your hoot, how many other people were confused? How often is it that you are not alerted to a base wide training exercise, like like like what this was going to be? But even if it was just you know what you thought at first illumine arounds, why wouldn't you have known about that previously?

9:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, So there were probably fifty plus people in the same area that I was in, maybe more. Pretty much all of them were amazed and confused, which is strange because the area that I was staying in was comprised of different moss or jobs. So everyone you know, you had mortarman, artillery, regular infantry guys, cooks, you know, you name it. They were all there in that one spot. But we were all confused.

10:25 Speaker 1: So this was a spectrum of different job titles, a bunch of people in different skill sets, all confused at what the hell was happening. Now again, I want to reiterate, because you said in your area there was at least fifty, so I think the number probably is higher. But let's just start here. One of the questions that I was so surprised that that wasn't asked is how far away was the formation of lights? Roughly if you had to estimate, you know, were they over the mountains or on the flats or where were these lights when you first spotted them?

11:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they appeared to me as if they were right above those mountains in the video, which I would guess is maybe just shot of a mile from where I was standing, So maybe three quarters of a mile maybe a little bit more.

11:28 Speaker 1: So that's how far they were away from you. Okay, Now, can you roughly tell me what the altitude would be would have been on something like this guesstimate? I know it's been a while. I wish it was asked within twenty four hours, but if you can try to guestimate the altitude of these lights, it would immensely help.

11:54 Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll try the best I can. I'm not very good at guessing altitude, especially from how long ago that's been, but I would say probably three or four thousand feet and that's just a very very rough estimate.

12:06 Speaker 1: So and put your eyes because we often, you know, I think all of us have done this right. We've pointed our smartphones at the moon and all you see is a glowing white dot right, no detail. And by the way, that Samsung phone you're using is using AI to enhance those photos. So don't tell me you're actually for taking photos of the moon. I don't want to hear it. But I mean there are lenses that will get great you know, moon photos, but they're on actual cameras, but smartphones, and that's what you're using to film this.

12:45 Speaker 1: Correct, a smartphone.

12:47 Speaker 2: It was an iPhone I believe in eleven.

12:50 Speaker 1: So an iPhone eleven, even an iPhone fifteen you point it at the sky. I mean, these things are made for selfies and for pictures and video.

13:03 Speaker 3: You know.

13:03 Speaker 1: Now they have the cinematic mode. But this is again, this is for on the ground kind of stuff. It's not for stuff that's in the sky thousands of feed up and thousands of feet away. That's that's that's not what these cameras are built for. So we all know that with our eyes we were seeing a lot more than what the camera is showing us in the videos that that were shown and given to weaponized which will definitely play some of them at least two of them, because I would like to walk through them with you.

13:45 Speaker 1: But what were you seeing? Were you seeing any definition to this?

13:53 Speaker 2: So I personally wasn't. But that's just because I wear contacts and i'd taken them out to go to bed. But I remember someone who was standing beside me said you can see a body. And then I didn't see the body until I reviewed the picture that I took, which is the one that's blasted all over the internet. And then I've seen the black shape underneath.

14:12 Speaker 1: Oh I don't I haven't heard that the body.

14:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually in one of the videos that were published on the Weaponize podcast. You can hear the I believe you can hear that on there.

14:21 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so you actually can't see.

14:23 Speaker 2: The body in a video. You can only see it through the still photos.

14:28 Speaker 1: Oh okay, so that would be through this.

14:31 Speaker 2: But in a video, someone didn't mention that you could see a body. Hear that in the background.

14:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have to. Okay, that's interesting. So all right, I wanna I want to pull up at least one or two of these videos, uh, just to watch the the uh, the the actual craft as it passes and hear some of the people in the background. So I bring this one up. Purpose there's more lights around it. Can you hear that?

15:12 Speaker 2: Yes?

15:15 Speaker 1: Did you see that other light by the way above or below? It was above it, So me and Arthur noticed it last time we watched the video. But you see a dot of light appear above the craft in reference of the frame. It happened so quick, so I did see.

15:37 Speaker 2: I actually I think there's a video, one of those videos. I could see it through my phone and I mentioned it,

15:46 Speaker 2: and you mentioned it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that one of those videos. Yeah, right there, I said, there's more lights around it.

15:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's more lights around it. Oh yeah, that you did say, see right there, right there up top. I'm an jump a little. I'm just gonna jump ahead. I want to keep going. Could could this have been flares? In your expert opinion, any type of known flare, whether you know whether shot or launched from the sky.

16:24 Speaker 2: So to me, I did think so at first, because of the color. And usually when you think of a flair, you think of red. But usually they fall a lot faster than that, and then you can see a smoke trail behind them. But these whatever, these lights were they were not falling, so.

16:44 Speaker 1: They were maintaining their altitude. And if in your expert opinion, with flares, it seems that the the longest lasting that can remain their formations is around seven to ten seconds, right, yes, And then they start to have like the smoke trail. Uh, and they kind of they not not saying they look like this, but they they they start to those aren't I mean, those are a bit of an extreme example, but these are flares that you know, look, you know, like they're they were in formation, they're coming down, but you could see clearly see the smoke trail and that these are like headed in a downward angle.

17:35 Speaker 1: We don't see that at any time in any of these videos. Like it it actually looks like it moves further away?

17:48 Speaker 1: Did it? Did it actually did it move? How long did you see it for?

17:55 Speaker 2: So from the time that I walked out there to the time that I put my phone down the walk back inside, I would say I've seen it for about fifteen minutes.

18:02 Speaker 1: But you have to think so again, I just want to ask, in your expert opinion, are there any flares that can do that stay in formation for that for even fifteen minutes most of the videos. There's a big contention that, oh, all the videos are like thirty six seconds. That's it, that's it, that's.

18:24 Speaker 2: It, right. Yeah, so no, not for fifteen minutes plus. You have to think the guy that went and got us, he stood out there and watched them for a few minutes and then came and got us, and then we watched them for a few minutes before we started recording, and then all those videos. The reason why they're so short is because I was taking them and then like uploading them on Snapchat and then taking another video uploading it on Snapchat. And that's kind of what everyone was doing. So there's not really no one really recorded the entire length of the thing.

18:57 Speaker 1: Okay, is there any way that you could somehow get a hold of the metadata for all the timestamps of videos that were taken so that we can if because if we can add up enough time that these maintained as you know, altitude, I think that would that would essentially break the the debate, that would break the contention that these are flares. Yeah.

19:36 Speaker 2: I could do that, and but like I said, you have to add a couple of minutes before because someone seen them watched them for a few minutes and then came and got us. Then we watched them for a few minutes and then started recording. So right, right, whatever that time adds up to be, add a couple of minutes to that.

19:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and so the number we kept hearing in the weaponized testimony was someone There were multiple people who said up to thirty five minutes. Now, I'm going to go and say that there's fluff to that. So I would say twenty five minutes in real time, like real expectation. But if these things, if this thing was there for twenty eight minutes over a military installation and it wasn't dropping, I want to talk to you about the convoy. Now, all of a sudden, you guys are recording this thing, and you guys look like you're in your skibbies in some of the pictures, which is kind of funny because it seems like you were getting ready to go to sleep, So you were not.

20:49 Speaker 1: Again, I want to hammer this home. You were not told of any prior training on especially training that would go right over your head and right around you, all around you, right, nothing like that.

21:06 Speaker 2: No, we were not made aware. Usually you would know because.

21:10 Speaker 1: I say, how uncommon is that?

21:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of, I mean it can happen, but for that specific exercise, we usually knew because I was actually working for the cooks in the kitchen at the time, and we would have to know, so if they came back late, we would prepare them mills or you know, you name it or this whole exercise was for everyone that was staying at Camp Wilson, and everyone was there at Camp Wilson, if that makes sense, right, So if you're going to the field, you're going to support another element, so more than one element would be gone at a time.

21:53 Speaker 2: So, but the base was pretty full at that time that night.

21:59 Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think of the do O D and Susan Go the spokesperson, as well as the Pentagon. What do you think of their attempts to say this is this was a train training exercise planned well in advanced.

22:25 Speaker 2: Well. I did hear that she made a statement within twenty four hours of Jeremy Corbell's weaponized episode, And to think that she could get that information within twenty four hours, it's kind of mind blowing, like that sounds very impossible because quick with that stuff.

22:45 Speaker 1: Dude, the mill They'll slogan is hurry up and wait right right like that essentially I've heard you know, I told you I come from a Marine Corps family. They they will be the first one to tell you that most of unless you're like deployed in an active combat zone, most of your life is hurry up and wait right, you know, and you know obviously you know you people have made immense sacrifices in the military. I am not saying that you need to see active combat to serve your country, but I'm just saying, like the government, no government has ever been oh, within twenty four hours, they have the whole answer, right, yeah, from a base that conducted the exercise years before.

23:47 Speaker 2: Right, they would have to dig up records if they had any.

23:50 Speaker 1: If right, if so, is it?

23:55 Speaker 2: Is it?

23:55 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, do you think that there is some sort of cover up happening? I hate, I hate to ask you out right like this, but if they're lying about a training exercise, it's the Phoenix lights case again right right, And it slipped under the rug this time. And that's tragic because if this thing is, why do we why do we keep seeing these over our military installations? I just had Robert Sallas on the show. You know, the guy who had his hand on the key of the nuclear launch at a nuclear lunch facility when a UFO shut ten nukes on off and these things aren't connected, right, they're separated analog wise, so that if one goes down, they all don't go down, and it shut these things off one by one.

25:14 Speaker 3: And.

25:15 Speaker 1: He says, it's a message. Do you think we're getting sent a message.

25:24 Speaker 2: That I don't know? I don't know. It does seem weird that there is a pattern of these UAPs, UFOs, whatever you want to call them, being over military bases. So it could either be some type of reconnaissance. Maybe they are trying to send some type of message that I'm not too sure about.

25:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I only asked that because El luel Azandos his book just came out, and you know, he claims to have run a tip and the program the Pentagon had about investing getting UFOs. But there's a lot of contention. But it's actually brought up a lot that like we have to at least look at it like they are doing reconnaissance on our capabilities, because that's what we would do if we were to you know, invade at an enemy. But we don't have to jump the gun and say we just we don't know what these things are here for.

26:32 Speaker 1: We just want to know from our government that they are here and acknowledgment that this is happening, because in your expert opinion, you're saying, there's no way these can be illumination rounds. They stayed up for far too long. Information, for far too long at altitude. Now, would you say they remained at three to four thousand feet the whole time?

26:56 Speaker 2: Yes, wherever they were, and again that's just a very very roughest the mation of how high they were. But where however high they were, they definitely stayed there the entire time.

27:05 Speaker 1: When they meaning the twenty nine Palms base, like the when the base responded and launched the very distinguishable flairs.

27:20 Speaker 2: You can see video number five and this is near the end of the event after they launched the two flares. But if you look closely, you'll you'll also see the five light formation. Please tell me this at the end of the world. Are you can kind of see it now? Yeah?

27:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're they're in there for anyone who does, Okay, look at the end, can you estimate about how far from you those were.

28:00 Speaker 2: They looked to be right above the object, so again, right around a mile, maybe slightly under a mile.

28:07 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that gives us a good reference frame. Because so when you saw the two flares or whatever, I don't know if it was just two or just too that was kind of camera. But was that the start of this massive response? Yeah?

28:28 Speaker 2: I believe so. So I don't remember exact timeframes, but I believe the lights disappeared, those illumination rounds came down, and then everything went dark. The illumination rounds eventually burned off, and then we went back inside and then we heard the aircraft coming through, so we went outside to look at it, and then that's when we seen the convoy coming. So yeah, I believe pretty much immediately after those illumination rounds were dropped, that's when the response happened.

29:04 Speaker 1: Okay, can you speak to how many how many vehicles responded and what other airborne what were the airborne assets that were deployed as well? Yeah, so I've seen the best of your recollection.

29:27 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I remember when we seen the convoy coming through, we stood there and counted them, and it was I believe fifty to fifty five. Some people say higher, but I believe I remember it being around fifty five. And I do have a few photos of that, and I think you can count at least thirty headlights in the photos.

29:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one of the photos up now. I'll have it. I'll have it much right now. It's only showing like for a half portion of the screen. But I will fix that in editing. Guys. Uh, so you'll be able to see these pictures and videos. Uh, we'll be playing as well like that. But it is up right now.

30:12 Speaker 2: Uh.

30:13 Speaker 1: And I can count one, two, three, four, five, six.

30:17 Speaker 3: Seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirty.

30:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, upwards of twenty five to thirty at least minimum. That's a So again, I'm gonna circle back. I'm just gonna keep doing it on you. Would you have known about this about the if this was a training exercise. I'm just gonna keep asking because I want to keep repeating it because I want people to keep hearing it. For this kind of bonds with fifty vehicles and helicopters and jets being deployed, would you know about it?

31:11 Speaker 2: Yeah? I believe if it was something that were that to that scale, we would have known about it. I mean we're talking fifty something vehicles, which is very strange to see in one convoy, and then we probably would have been aware of those aircraft that flew by.

31:29 Speaker 1: Now, why is it odd to see that many vehicles in a convoy on a training exercise?

31:37 Speaker 2: Well, usually if you're in a convoy, it's not fifty plus vehicles. It's usually a platoon or maybe company number, which would be I don't know, I didn't work with vehicles, but it would definitely be around maybe fifteen max that you would see at one time.

31:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, you wouldn't want to make yourself a huge target, right, fifteen seventy vehicles, you can't. That's you know, you know,

32:08 Speaker 1: that's not tactical. So do you think that the base has more information about what happened that night and they went out and tried to figure out what this was?

32:27 Speaker 2: Yeah? So I do believe that the convoy and the aircraft that came out after were was an attempt to see whatever the thing was and not to mention the illumination rounds that were popped off above it. So I do believe that they were aware of whatever it was, and that was their response.

32:48 Speaker 1: For it, and I was literally just gonna bring it up now if I'm the military, Okay, hear me out on this. And I know you know during that debate, there was a couple of times where I think you were a little upset with your fellow veteran for for for you're not not not like I don't want to bring I don't want to bring that up. I don't want to go too deep into that. But there's that camaraderie I know between veterans and you guys are among the most credible of the credible of observers. And the fact that if I was a military and I was in charge and a UFO like that appears above the base, I am going to send that massive response for two reasons.

33:53 Speaker 1: Number one, I'm gonna check this out. Number two, well, that gives me a good reason to say this was a training extra size because we did actually launch an exercise. But the public doesn't need to know about the other like they're not. It's not that they're not telling the truth, it's that they're leaving context out. Does that make sense? If you can see what I'm saying, you know, they're like, it wasn't a training exercise. It was an actual real word tasking, just like you know the NIMTZ was. But in this case they're just denying it.

34:26 Speaker 1: They're saying, no, just a training But we I mean, we have all the records of the vehicles we deployed, because we actually did deploy them. We're just not going to tell you the real reason why.

34:35 Speaker 2: Right, So there should be records of those vehicles that went out because when you check out a vehicle, you have to record there are Yeah, you have to record where you're going, how many miles you drove. So they're for sure are records out there somewhere, but who knows where they are? Who's covering them up?

34:54 Speaker 1: No, we we have so there was some that were obtained.

34:57 Speaker 2: Oh really, I did not I didn't hear about that. Yeah.

35:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I will put them up on the screen. I can't do it right now, but so for the audience watching, they'll be seeing it. But essentially, I mean they responded with within twenty four hours, this was a training exercise here, and that's what makes us even crazier that we ended up with a list of all the stuff and everything that they sent out, right within twenty four hours. Like, how often does that happen?

35:34 Speaker 2: Never with our government?

35:36 Speaker 1: Not with our government. No, it just it doesn't add up.

35:41 Speaker 1: None of the timeline adds up for me from the d D side. So that's why. And I I really, I really want to know your thoughts because in the videos you can hear people talking about aliens UFOs. Are you or have you been interested in the topic in your life before this?

36:09 Speaker 2: No, I just left it to the the experts there. I didn't really have an interest and I've never seen anything that would spark an interest, so I just kind of left it alone before this event. And still I'm not really super into it. But yeah, so pretty much I've never been into it.

36:29 Speaker 1: What was the feeling on the ground when you're seeing it? What was the atmosphere like between you know, brothers, what because you're all grown men, was anyone like confused and scared? Or was anyone? I know, there wasn't chaos because we can't really hear chaos, and I don't think that that that there would be chaos and for a group of men like that, But was there anyone that was you know,

37:08 Speaker 1: is there anything else that happened on the base that night that that that that was weird.

37:14 Speaker 2: Other than the triangle itself. And then the response No, but as far as the atmosphere on the ground scared, no, confused, And like I said, that whole area was full of different types of jobs, people that had different types of jobs, So someone would have not been confused if they knew what it was, but none of us knew what it was, and we were just very confused talking it over, recording it, a little bit excited. But that wouldn't happen with something that you see every day. If that was something we saw every day and training, we would have blew it off and not even brought our phones out.

37:57 Speaker 2: But as you can see, I think in one of the videos there's a row of those hootos that I spoke about. Yes, anywhere from ten to fifteen marines inside, so you do the math on that. Everyone came outside. So if that was something we would have seen before, you would not have had that response from big guys on the ground, if that makes sense.

38:18 Speaker 1: No, No, absolutely, I can absolutely agree. We showed it in the podcast as well, and that's when I made the comment, Look, they're out there and they're skiddies, like their underwear like they it seems like they were caught off guard. You said you were about to go to sleep, you took your contacts out and everything. If you were, you know, if there was a training exercise like this being conducted over your heads, I think maybe you guys would have all stayed out or maybe talked. It would have been passed down and like, hey, guys, you know, just you know, I know you might be trying to get some sleep tonight.

39:01 Speaker 1: Like I said, if this, if there were a case where training happened in this weird fashion where you guys weren't involved, you would at least know something about it and that you wouldn't be out there and your skippy's like taking your contacts out and brushing your teeth and being like wait, what is that? Why wait? Why is our base responding like did that? That didn't confuse anybody?

39:32 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, Like you said, we got ready for bed, we were laying down, heard nothing of of an exercise happening, and you know, usually you hear, hey, this company is going to the field today, they're going to be there tonight, or this company is going to support then we didn't hear anything about that. And then for the past few nights or the nights before that, nothing was really happening.

39:56 Speaker 1: You.

39:56 Speaker 2: It was unusual to see any aircraft flying by, and then this just happens out of nowhere.

40:03 Speaker 1: So it was right out of nowhere, you have. And about how many times or how many helicopters were deployed.

40:17 Speaker 2: I don't remember an exact number, but I remember seeing groups of them, and we've seen at least three to four groups, and then there would be three to four in each group.

40:27 Speaker 1: So three to four groupings at the least, yes, So

40:35 Speaker 1: about twelve twelve helos anything else.

40:41 Speaker 2: Deployed, I believe, and my memory is getting the best of me for this one, but I believe there were jets that came maybe five minutes after the helicopters.

40:52 Speaker 1: Now, how were they flying at an altitude that alarmed you?

41:00 Speaker 2: Not necessarily because we would see them. The airfield is pretty close to Camp Wilson, so you would see them pretty low if you did see them, Okay, but nothing alarming, but other than them being there in the first place.

41:13 Speaker 1: Right, Oh uh, that in itself would be out of the ordinary, right, But yes, and they were headed towards this object.

41:27 Speaker 2: Correct.

41:28 Speaker 1: Wow, So again I wanted to when you made contact, when you made eye contact, when you made eye contact with this object? Did you.

41:59 Speaker 3: Did?

42:00 Speaker 1: Did it? Some people say they feel like a peacefulness or serendipity, and it's like the world around them kind of goes away and they're very honed in. Did you experience anything like that?

42:20 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say peacefulness or serendipity, but I was very focused and tunnel vision toward this.

42:28 Speaker 1: Thing, right right.

42:31 Speaker 2: But other than that, no weird emotions or feelings.

42:35 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, a lot because those triangle craft there's a lot of people that think those are ours. Do you think there's a possibility that the United States is testing its own craft against the best of the best? I have to ask.

42:56 Speaker 2: I don't know if I have an opinion on that, but I've definitely heard some compelling arguments for that, And it would make sense.

43:03 Speaker 1: It would it would right? Who would who else to test it on?

43:08 Speaker 2: Like?

43:08 Speaker 1: And and you know this might have been an actual training, but a training of Hey, we're gonna fly in advance UH technology systems over you UH our own reverse engineered UFO, and your base is gonna respond to it, and you know, only those who need to know, which would be now have you. So did you ever ask the base commander that like or or try to talk to the base commander?

43:40 Speaker 2: Uh? No way?

43:42 Speaker 1: Uh why why?

43:44 Speaker 2: I guess there was sort of abe, yes, So I did not take it any higher than myself as far as rank goes.

43:54 Speaker 1: I just you, honestly that scared to report it.

43:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I knew it was going to be sort of hey, I've seen this thing in the sky. Any answers, Yeah, it's just this or just that. Go away. It would be that type of thing. No one would entertain it.

44:09 Speaker 1: David Grush spoke about people being hurt over this topic threatened. You were never threatened by anyone to do not speak about this.

44:21 Speaker 2: No, So there were no briefings at the time or afterward. And I've kept my name away from this for that reason. So no, no one's contacted me, and I've just kind of kept kept on the down low for this.

44:36 Speaker 1: I really like, I really really really really really like that that you that you've you know you're doing this. It is answer because I had so many questions like the altitude and and now what what what are your typical flares? Uh? What what are there? What are there max out altitudes? And if they're like say they're dropped from a plane, a plane or jet or however they claim to have dropped these, what would be the altitude they would drop them, you know, And why aren't these flares again like but from this perspective.

45:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know exactly how high they would drop them or what the altitude would be. But what I do know is that they would fall. If they were dropped, either sought out of a gun or dropped, they would have the smoke trail behind them and they would eventually fall. These things never fell, and they just went away. The type of illumination rounds that I fired out of mortar tubes, you could see them and sometimes you could see the parachutes open on them. You could see the smoke trail, you could see them move with the wind.

45:52 Speaker 2: And these things just set there. And it's in the desert, so there's a lot of wind rolling through the desert. So you would think that they would move. You sat there in the same formation roughly, and they just didn't. They never fell, They just stayed in the exact elevation.

46:07 Speaker 1: From my perspective, people argue that in the videos you can see a change in altitude but I bring up the point that I think it's perspective that this craft was moving back once the base responded. Did this craft seemed like back off?

46:25 Speaker 2: Yeah? So from what I remember, within a few seconds of those illumination rounds popping off over top of it, it disappeared within somewhere within ten seconds, it just completely just the lights went out.

46:39 Speaker 1: Huh, just phased out.

46:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I didn't see it move like try to run away. I didn't see the lights flickering out. I just seen the lights gone. They just disappeared.

46:59 Speaker 1: And would any chemical flare do that? It doesn't sound like it, right, They wouldn't just go out like that.

47:12 Speaker 2: No, So usually they they flicker a little bit before they go out, but these did not flicker. It's almost like turning off a light switch.

47:22 Speaker 1: Right. That's that's That's kind of what we hear in the other witness the people other witnesses as well, is that it was like it was there one minute and it was just gone the next. It wasn't like it phased out. It wasn't like it it blinked out. Well, yeah, it was more like it blinked out rather than it like phased out. And dimmed. It was just there and gone, and we see that that in a lot of cases in instantaneous acceleration. You know. Uh, it's part of the five observables that that they came up with from the Pentagon UFO office.

48:07 Speaker 1: So I, you know, I it's weird. It's weird to me because I think this case. Do you think the timing of this case had had an effect on the way the community took it?

48:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm not really too big into the community, but I did see a lot of I guess, shunning of this case. Most people just kind of glanced at it without listening to in the witness testimony and kind of you know, shoved it away immediately. So I don't know if it was timing or what, but it definitely, uh was gone as fast as it came up.

48:51 Speaker 1: And you I need you to do something that's a little off the beaten path. But if anyone were to ask or question a hoax being perpetrated, why then? Now, first off, it doesn't really even make sense because you're staying, you're trying to keep your identity hidden and you're not trying to make money off of this. But people have posed that you guys hoaxed this? Did you guys hoax this?

49:37 Speaker 2: No?

49:38 Speaker 1: I just gotta ask, right, why? Why not just just straight up ask, did you guys? I mean hoax a training exercise and try to get Jeremy Corbel to get riled up and show something, you know, on TV?

49:58 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I mean I didn't even really want to be associated with this, and I still really don't. They know you don't answer questions. The only reason I'm really even doing this is I see so many ridiculous responses online and I just want to clear the air on them and answer those, you know, simpler questions. But no, there's no reason to hoax this. And if I did, I definitely put my name out there coming. I mean, this thing's been on Rogan's podcast, It's been on the New York Times or New York Post, It's been everywhere.

50:35 Speaker 2: So I would if I were to hoax this, I would want my name out there.

50:38 Speaker 1: I would think, right, you'd be doing what every other UFO grifter does. You would put your name right there, and you would go do the UFO lecture circuit. I saw I'm a marine, I'm credible. I saw UFO want to hear about it. Let me tell you all about it my research I've done. That's or write a book. I mean that that seems to be the trend of the the opologist, right, but you're you guys aren't trying to do that, did you. Are you responsible for getting the five witnesses together? Uh?

51:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the first I got the guy that came in and got us the one who've first seen it, and then those witnesses were all in the same hooch as me. So I still I still have their numbers, and I sent them over to Jeremy Corbel and he's the one that did the interviews with them.

51:38 Speaker 1: Would they be willing to speak again?

51:43 Speaker 2: Uh? Probably, I could ask then, yeah.

51:45 Speaker 1: If you if you would mind, I want to. I want to. I want to awaken this case because I think, yeah, I know you don't know Ufo Lure, but I'm sure people have mentioned the Phoenix Lights to you a lot.

52:04 Speaker 2: Yes I have. I have heard that. Yes.

52:11 Speaker 1: Well no, I highly advise that you go watch the documentary by doctor Lynn Katie. She's actually gonna be a guest on the show in the future coming up. It's called the Phoenix Lights Documentary. Uh. Watch it, man, Uh, and you will be blown away at the similarities not only in the sighting, but the response. That's that's like, that's what we have to look at is the military narrative that they try to put out there. Right, it's the military or or the military industrial complex and the media. And you know, when they don't want stories out, stories don't go out when they don't want them.

53:08 Speaker 1: You know, the United States government is pretty good about keeping tabs on the media. Uh, it's it's the mainstream media is I mean, it's falling apart. I think more people watch Rogan than than CNN now. But like what we consider mainstream media is is dying. It's dying, and people are awakening to their news, not the news, their news. And I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but it gives you the opportunity to tell your side of the story, at least to I mean, you've done it a weaponized which is arguably one of the biggest UFO platforms.

53:58 Speaker 1: But you know, I would you swear to would you if it ever? If Congress not not maybe maybe not Congress, but if AERO, uh, the All Domain Resolute Resolution, All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, if they asked you to testify, Uh in in secrecy, would you give them testimony? Uh?

54:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have nothing to hide.

54:28 Speaker 3: Uh.

54:28 Speaker 2: If they want answers from me, then I'd be more than willing to give it to them.

54:33 Speaker 1: So you you would again, like I'm not gonna say like you're gonna go David fravor It and go in front of Congress or Ryan Graves, but you would be willing to to present the evidence to the all the the public channels that are available supposedly for people like you that don't want to get in trouble for reporting something and having it ruin their career, because that is absolutely the furthest thing, and and and and that is what the problem is. The problem is the waters are muddied so long ago, buddy, that we are desperately, desperately trying to emerge and and keep breathing.

55:24 Speaker 2: Uh.

55:25 Speaker 1: With this UAP topic, you know, change the moniker to u I P not UFO.

55:31 Speaker 3: Right.

55:31 Speaker 1: Gets. We shouldn't be using the word alien anymore either. I think it is a bad connotation. It makes people think of little green men that probe Southern folk, you know, in the cornfield. So I think we need to remove ourselves from baggage like that. But do you think what you saw is a what is classically identified not or or class of as a UFO an unidentified flying object?

56:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want me to answer it literally from the literally, Yeah, so from the definition of UFO unidentified.

56:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's what we should be doing. Again, if anyone is as you know, if anyone out there listening or viewing, if you're adding baggage to the word UFO, then you're doing yourself a disservice. What he is saying is that the craft was unidentifiable, meaning they don't know what it.

56:42 Speaker 2: Is, right, And that's why this is blown up to what it is is because it's unidentified.

56:50 Speaker 1: And it was not flares. You worklaers, You worked with flares. You know these were not flares?

57:00 Speaker 2: Correct?

57:02 Speaker 1: How long did you work with flares? So?

57:06 Speaker 2: I was a Morderman the entire time, the entire length of my contract, which was four years.

57:12 Speaker 1: Okay, So not only do you have a good idea about flares, but do you have a good idea about aircraft that are in our inventory? Uh?

57:26 Speaker 2: Not in great detail, but yeah, I am pretty much familiar. If I've seen something, I would know if it's ours or not.

57:34 Speaker 1: So the craft that you were seeing was either unknown technology or other.

57:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I could not identify it with anything in the United States Military inventory, and neither could fifty plus people around me at the time. So I have no reason to believe that it was ours.

57:58 Speaker 1: In one of the videos, you hear a gentleman say, I've been doing I knew this research was wasn't for nothing. This is a UFO aliens exist. That guy. A lot of people point to that and say, well, there's bias. There's observer bias right there, it's out the open. Uh what would you say to that.

58:27 Speaker 2: I mean, that guy was just a goofball. Still, I know exactly who that is. He's just a funny guy. There was nothing mischievous behind that. Yeah, it was just a joke at the time.

58:40 Speaker 1: Is he one of the five?

58:43 Speaker 2: No, he's not interesting.

58:46 Speaker 1: Maybe, uh, maybe we can find him, because I would I would love to hear if he's actually into the subject. I'd like to hear his thoughts on what this thing was.

59:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure if he actually is. Like I said, he's a goofball, So maybe he was just making a joke, like about the research and everything, or maybe he isn't to it. I don't know, but I remember him being a funny guy, so that was just a joke.

59:13 Speaker 1: How long did you spend with these guys at that facility?

59:19 Speaker 2: Well, they were part of my unit, but they weren't in my platoon. I know a lot of military lingo here, but I didn't see them every day afterwards, but there we were there for about a month. So but when we got back to North Carolina, I did, you know, come across them every once in a while, and then one or two of them I still speak to this day.

59:43 Speaker 1: Interesting. I would love to, like I said, I would love to talk to more witnesses about this case. I think you've done a great job of clearing up some of the the the misrepresentation that's happened with this case. And I really just want to thank you for your time. I know you just took an hour, a little bit more than an hour out of your day to do this. More if not, and I'm sure you know, we'll be talking more and hopefully setting up, you know, more interviews and getting trying to build the bigger picture, build the defense beyond a reasonable doubt that something extraordinary happened that night on twenty nine pounds face because that's what you think, Is that what you're sticking by?

1:00:38 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, and I really love that man. Stick to your guns, like, don't waiver, don't waiver for a second.

1:00:47 Speaker 3: You know.

1:00:47 Speaker 1: James Fox has a great documentary called I Know What I Saw, And I told you my UFO story before we started recording. I Know what I saw. You know what you saw? You know people like John Greend from the Black Vault who do a lot of Foier requests. You know, he emailed Susan go got this information within twenty four hours. The DoD has all this information on a training our size that a half for three years prior when we know COVID like was screwing everything up. Like the timeline just doesn't add up.

1:01:22 Speaker 1: The narrative doesn't add up. But can you understand what's the last thing you would say to a skeptic about this case?

1:01:33 Speaker 2: What's the last thing I would say to a skeptic?

1:01:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, before you just walked away and said there's no more, There's nothing else I can tell you.

1:01:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would say, like you said, I know because I was there. Don't listen to the narrative that's out there right now because a lot of these deniers or skeptics, they are misinformed. They haven't listened to podcasts like this. They just see the pictures and you know, shun it away as being flares, and then that's the end of their story. So I would say dig into this a little bit more and listen to podcasts more like this one and listen to the actual testimony of the people that were on the ground, which there are quite a few out there.

1:02:16 Speaker 2: So that was beautiful.

1:02:18 Speaker 3: Man.

1:02:19 Speaker 1: Sorry, I lost my voice over the past couple of days I've been having I stayed home from work yesterday because I've been having a terrible cough. But I want to say thank you from me to you for your service to this country, thank you for your continued effort to try to raise awareness of this case, and thank you for reaching out to Thanking you. Thank you for reaching out to me, because that was the goal, was to inevitably get someone who was on the ground. So I just want to say thank you for being the first person to come and speak with me personally about the twenty nine Bob's case.

1:03:07 Speaker 1: And I would say, in my humble opinion, case aren'tgoing not case closed.

1:03:13 Speaker 2: Far from it, right. There's so many voices out there like mine that I haven't been heard yet, so it's never closed until we have for sure answer.

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