Pt. 2: 29 Palms Military Base MASS UFO. "A Debate" feat. Ret. Veteran Grider & Arthur Preston

0:06 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if Grider's back, but I am back. You're back, so I think we can pick up where is already here.

0:21 Speaker 2: Let's assume writers here. I think he's cooking. But let's bring up the five witnesses.

0:27 Speaker 1: Okay, alrighty, all right, so let me get back to it. I should have brought this up during the break. God damn it, I'm such a dumb bob. So where did you put the witness testimony?

0:45 Speaker 2: It's should be in our media thread?

0:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, video event video, event video. Have you listened to the five? Okay, here we go.

0:56 Speaker 3: There we go.

0:58 Speaker 1: All right, let me just drop this down added in. Sorry guys coming back from the break. H all right, now, oh god, that's gonna make me rEFInd it. This is why there needs to be a better system.

1:22 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm back.

1:25 Speaker 4: Have you mentioned yet that you've verified, like my credentials and all that that I was like in the military.

1:30 Speaker 1: And yeah, I did see someone question that, and I I with confidence that I can back you up for the record, for the record. Yes, so can you see this? No fucking stupid?

2:06 Speaker 5: What are the facts?

2:07 Speaker 4: Man?

2:08 Speaker 6: Like? What bakes?

2:09 Speaker 5: Which is which marine base? And what time was this?

2:12 Speaker 2: It keeps.

2:12 Speaker 7: Two nights ago, it was roughly like eight.

2:16 Speaker 5: Walk me through it.

2:17 Speaker 6: We're out in palms.

2:23 Speaker 1: Oh you had it.

2:26 Speaker 2: You click on that link, Click on that link, click.

2:29 Speaker 7: On that bring it up artillery.

2:36 Speaker 5: So what were facts, man?

2:37 Speaker 7: Like?

2:37 Speaker 5: What bas which is which?

2:41 Speaker 8: All right?

2:47 Speaker 7: What?

2:47 Speaker 6: Wow?

2:49 Speaker 1: This is what happens when you stop doing great? Can you break? When you break the flow? I feel like a god damn fool right now?

3:00 Speaker 9: All right?

3:00 Speaker 1: So I this is my this is the problem. So I gotta share the screen first. Then I got to bring it into the studio. You guys get to see my Twitter, all my dirty secrets, god, all all my my conversations with my insiders, and my how my intelligence agent that is, I'm an I'm an intel agent. I'm a disinfo agent like Rick Dody. Hear it?

3:42 Speaker 6: Yep?

3:44 Speaker 5: What are the facts, man?

3:45 Speaker 6: Like?

3:45 Speaker 5: What cakes? Which? Which marine base? And what time was this?

3:50 Speaker 7: Two nights ago? It was roughly like eight at night. It was BOMs, California.

3:57 Speaker 10: So I don't know if you're familiar with the base at all, but Camp Wilson is attached to nine bombs, so it's like a one way road in and out of the camp.

4:07 Speaker 7: One of my Buddies was outside and he's.

4:10 Speaker 11: Looking at this guy, and then it just kind of appeared out of nowhere, and y'all came out and looked. And then slowly, like fifty plus people start coming out and looking.

4:18 Speaker 7: Those lights appeared out of nowhere.

4:21 Speaker 5: Obviously a lot of people saw this. What did people think?

4:25 Speaker 11: They're just kind of they were just kind of like nobody could recognize it.

4:31 Speaker 7: I mean, we're all in the military, so you think we've.

4:33 Speaker 5: This happened in a number of places. I've got reports from other people that are coming in With the video you sent me, was that yours?

4:40 Speaker 7: Yes, that's my?

4:42 Speaker 5: And the photo is that a still photo or pulled from the video?

4:46 Speaker 7: It's a still photo.

4:47 Speaker 11: If you look in the picture and you can see like a black triang your shape.

4:51 Speaker 5: Why are these not flares?

4:53 Speaker 11: Because they stayed their first solid ten minutes just in the same spot.

4:59 Speaker 5: And flares don't sit in one spot for ten minutes.

5:03 Speaker 7: No, they definitely they fall, So.

5:05 Speaker 5: You personally know that these were not players. Do you believe this was a craft?

5:10 Speaker 7: Yeah? I would have to believe so.

5:11 Speaker 11: With the picture I took with the granular ship underneath the lights, it's definitely not any type of like player elimination rounds or anything.

5:22 Speaker 12: I worked with artillery.

5:25 Speaker 1: See a lot of these people claiming that they work with artillery just like you do. Grider.

5:31 Speaker 2: I'm also Arthur momented. He says that, yes, I think it's a craft based on that photo where you can see, uh something underneath the lights. He clearly said that you could see something underneath the lights. And that's kind of the point that I was making Earlier's artillery.

5:51 Speaker 4: Okay, but I can confidently say, and it's not arrogance. I can say that I've fired more artillery than that guy has.

6:00 Speaker 2: Thinking about.

6:02 Speaker 3: I know for a fact that I have because there's only a small don't.

6:05 Speaker 1: Know what, Yeah, I think that's I think that Grider, that's that's that that that's assumption on a whole I understand it. I at my day job, at my day job, I could say I've done this, and I've done it more times than any other person. You know what I mean That that that I'm not I'm not like belittling you.

6:37 Speaker 7: You.

6:37 Speaker 1: I'm sure you fired as much as you're talking about. But I don't think you could just go out there and just assumingly say it that you've one hundred percent, without a shadow of a doubt, fired more artillery lives.

6:54 Speaker 4: I mean, if like, I mean, if you guys can make assumptions about what these people were thinking and what they were thinking and what like they mean you know that I guess, I mean, like, I'm not.

7:02 Speaker 1: Making any assumption.

7:05 Speaker 3: I'm not making an assumption. Counter we can get going, maybe somebody in the check and start keeping track.

7:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's starting alright, man.

7:14 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just like, you know, this is just the way I am.

7:16 Speaker 1: Like, you know, I don't listen. I get it, I get I'm enjoying myself again.

7:22 Speaker 2: But I just want I just want to profess that I think as we continue on listening to these witnesses, writer is going to continuously try to undermine their credibility, and I just want people to be dude, You've been wrong so many like you just tried to undermine their credibility. Just now by saying that, I guarantee I've done more than this guy.

7:43 Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, I like, I already know what you're going to try to do, Arthur. You're gonna try to make me say something bad. You're like you're playing my dedication and my like my core value of like you know, loving my fellow veterans, and like you know all that you're like you're gonna try to play off of that put me in like a hard place, but in a difficult spot where I have to choose between disrespecting my fellow veterans and like telling what I want to tell.

8:08 Speaker 2: And that's the spot that you put yourself, Grider, because you're the anti. You're saying that these are flares, and the only way that it can be flares is if these witnesses aren't credible.

8:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, Arthur, Well, I mean we'll see.

8:23 Speaker 1: I guess all right, we'll continue the we'll continue.

8:31 Speaker 10: And we shoot illumination rounds out of our already guns into the air to loom infantry guys. And this was nothing compared to what that is.

8:41 Speaker 7: Like.

8:41 Speaker 10: This was something none of us had ever seen before. It was completely different color, the size of the illumination was different. And when we shoot illumination rounds, it's one you shoot in the air and let it drop and then you shoot another one.

8:55 Speaker 7: This was like obviously you've seen the picture.

8:57 Speaker 10: This was like five right next to each other, and they're kind of reddish and our loom rounds are like a yellow white color.

9:05 Speaker 5: So this was a crap. Was it hovering stationary? Was there any sound?

9:10 Speaker 7: There was absolutely no sound, no sound, but it was definitely stationary.

9:14 Speaker 5: How big was it? Estimate to me? How big compared to.

9:18 Speaker 7: One of those stealth bombers.

9:19 Speaker 5: The size well, hold on, hold on, stealth bombers can't cover exactly.

9:25 Speaker 7: That's why I can compare it to that. But that's how I know it.

9:27 Speaker 11: Plus it's that I would say the size of my three bedrooms a coonehouse.

9:32 Speaker 7: I don't know, maybe bigger.

9:36 Speaker 5: You said that there were like objects that came out and like circled it right after and then it went dark. What do you mean?

9:43 Speaker 7: So right before they went out and the allume rounds popped off over top of it, those two orange lights, the actual alum rounds that went up over top of it.

9:52 Speaker 11: And then after that it disappeared like just straight went black, and then helicopters started like pulling ass towards it, and they went like in the direction of it, and then they started to circling the area.

10:03 Speaker 10: These helicopters were circling for a good bit afterwards, and there was a there was a convoy as well that went out. It was like a sixty plus truck convoy and we saw it go out as well. We were taking pictures afterwards. It was just straight black disappeared. What do you think you saw?

10:24 Speaker 7: I couldn't tell you.

10:25 Speaker 11: I just know it's not anything that I recognized or any of my close defends could recognize either.

10:31 Speaker 7: So I don't think it was anything US military.

10:37 Speaker 11: Definitely some type of UFO and govern was trying to look for it after it disappeared.

10:43 Speaker 7: I'm just trying to figure out what the hell that was.

10:46 Speaker 5: This is a highly documented event. We just don't know what it is.

10:50 Speaker 11: Yeah, like through exercises that we've worked with a lot of people who use different type of weapons.

10:57 Speaker 7: So I've never seen anything like it.

11:00 Speaker 12: My role was infantry.

11:01 Speaker 5: And you were there on April twentieth, twenty twenty one. You were there that night, Yes, and you saw it?

11:10 Speaker 12: Yes, I saw it appeer and disappear.

11:13 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, how many people do you think for a second, So there's like, let's fifteen people in mind moot.

11:25 Speaker 2: This is witness number three, and he is the only witness where he says he saw it a peer and he saw it disappear. So this is an important witness. Not all of the witnesses saw it appeer. They weren't all out there when it first, you know, showed up. So some of them are saying that they only saw it for ten minutes. But this witness three says it lasted thirty to thirty five minutes. And he was He's the one that said he actually saw it a peer. So that's the point I want to make.

11:55 Speaker 3: Note. He said that he was out there watching it for thirty five minutes. That's what he said.

12:00 Speaker 2: Now go back, what can go to you? Go back and listen to it.

12:04 Speaker 4: Oh, I study the transcript, brother, Just like with the Jellyfish Mike Sinkowski, you got to pay attention to what people say. What they're exactly telling you, not what you want to hear.

12:14 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, let's agree with that recording.

12:20 Speaker 2: So let's go back and witness is.

12:21 Speaker 1: Actually I'm gonna pull us out because there's the the transcript at the bottom that we're covering, so we can still be heard. But I just want people to see that that you can see, you can read as as as it's playing all right, and we just cracked two thousand wonderful.

12:45 Speaker 5: Yes, and you saw it?

12:48 Speaker 12: Yes, I saw it appear, and well, first.

12:51 Speaker 2: Of all, I saw it. Ah, that was the exact quote. Yes, I saw appear and disappear.

13:05 Speaker 1: Any rebuttal.

13:09 Speaker 12: No, I saw it appear, and.

13:11 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, how many people do you think saw this?

13:16 Speaker 12: So there there's like fifteen people in my hoops.

13:22 Speaker 1: To be clear, is a hoot shot half moon shaped?

13:28 Speaker 3: Okay?

13:28 Speaker 7: Yeah?

13:29 Speaker 3: So uh yeah, yeah yeah, So okay.

13:31 Speaker 1: Is that what a hooch is?

13:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, so fifteen would be like two squads, So I guess, yeah, I guess they're smaller inside than I thought. Okay, it's like fifteen per who so look at a couple of companies in that one area. It's what I would be guessing, because there's there's like fifty huches in that one in Camp Wilson, right.

13:51 Speaker 1: So that'd be fifteen thirty forty five.

13:54 Speaker 4: That was your guest. By the way, I'm sure that somebody can find an examt.

13:57 Speaker 1: No, I understand, I I completely I don't expect you to have those numbers. To the tee.

14:04 Speaker 12: There's a bunch of people. There's like ten bouches in the line with people.

14:08 Speaker 2: On it tens at ten times fifteen. Yeah, ten times fifteen.

14:16 Speaker 1: So that that right there is saying that over no. One hundred and fifty, over one hundred people saw It's okay, math, it's it's late. So that's approximately one hundred and forty five hundred and fifty people that could potentially have been witness to this. So a lot of people saw it.

14:43 Speaker 12: So a lot of people saw it.

14:44 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I heard about fifty witnesses at Camp Wilson alone. Yeah, how you first alerted to the fact that was outside? Like how did you first see it?

14:54 Speaker 7: When we were.

14:54 Speaker 13: There, we would have like at night, we'd have like story time or something just like time I just appeared. And then when we saw it, and then I would start freaking out.

15:07 Speaker 1: I want to pause it there, because can we here we say here we see or we hear I should say that everyone started freaking out. Now it goes back to the sentiment that I raised earlier in the fact that in some other videos you can hear people, you know, not not not like chaos. I wouldn't describe it as like like, oh my god, alien invasion, like you know people around yeah, rockets. I would I would describe it as uh flop ergasted.

15:50 Speaker 4: That's what I would expect like a group of like teenagers to describe when like they're like freaking out is not a that's not how soldiers speak, Like, that's.

15:59 Speaker 1: Not why are yeah, so, why are marines saying they freaked out?

16:10 Speaker 4: Freak freaking out? Like have you ever heard a grown man say I was freaking out? Unless they were joking around about Like have you ever heard them, like you know.

16:20 Speaker 1: I host a podcasts a podcast about aliens. I've heard many grown men say that they've been freaked out. But that's neither here nor.

16:32 Speaker 3: They freaking out is like it's there's a difference.

16:35 Speaker 1: There, right, And I got to get it. But my point being that you're we go back to this notion that there's a massive response on bass. Whether this is a training exercise or not. We're still not there yet, but the massive response. There's lights in the sky, the flares that are being sent up aside from the lights in question, and there's witness testimony claiming not a response.

17:17 Speaker 3: No, it was not a.

17:18 Speaker 2: Response, like according to the witnesses, it was.

17:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I guess.

17:25 Speaker 3: I'm going on the schedule right here in front of you, guys, we can go over.

17:27 Speaker 1: Again right after this. I want to bring that out.

17:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, because this is going to eliminate all these points, right, A bunch of.

17:36 Speaker 2: Fake documents, a bunch of fake duck documents from the government.

17:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you know, I mean okay, well, oh you got me there.

17:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, we could do that. That's a dispute for another day.

17:49 Speaker 5: They really they were freaking out a little bit or yeah, yeah, no one knew what it was. And how long would you suspect that it was there? What the longest length that it was there?

18:03 Speaker 12: Thirty thirty five minutes?

18:06 Speaker 5: Really boom?

18:07 Speaker 12: Yeah, it was there for a hot minute.

18:09 Speaker 5: A lot of people are saying that these are flares.

18:14 Speaker 7: No, they weren't.

18:16 Speaker 12: Definitely one hundred percent not flairs. I think it was a crap.

18:22 Speaker 7: It was weird.

18:23 Speaker 5: So this this was unlike anything you've seen before or sents.

18:29 Speaker 4: But you can't say like you're one hundred percent on something and then say like I think it was. If you're one hundred percent on something, then you know what is right?

18:37 Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.

18:37 Speaker 2: It's like, okay, he said, he said it's not flares. Then he says he thinks it was a craft. So he's sure that it wasn't he's sure that it wasn't flares, but he suspects or he thinks that it was wrong.

18:53 Speaker 3: Like he's he's wrong.

18:55 Speaker 1: Like the guy's roll thank you either.

18:57 Speaker 4: Like and also it's like this guy's saying this. When did this guy come out? Because the initial reporting on this incident it said ten minutes, that was what it said.

19:08 Speaker 2: So there was the first episode of Weaponize, just so there's a timeline, there was the first episode of Weaponize, and then a week later there was the second episode of Weaponized, and that's where three more witnesses came out.

19:20 Speaker 12: So you got the first two witnesses.

19:23 Speaker 2: Because not everyone was there the entire duration of the event. Some people came out of the buildings to see what was going on at a later time.

19:33 Speaker 3: You know that for a fact?

19:39 Speaker 2: Do I know that it was for a fact that some people weren't there when it initially appeared.

19:46 Speaker 3: That what you just said is a factual statement.

19:51 Speaker 2: What I said is that there were some people. This witness number three who says he saw it appear, and he saw the whole duration of the event from beginning to end. Other witnesses weren't never made that claim that they saw it appear, and those are the witnesses that said it was ten minutes.

20:14 Speaker 1: It is a good distinction to be made. Grider that he is correct when he says that, because oftentimes, when someone's trying to pull the wool over your eyes, they'll tack on some fluff to make the story, and that honestly could be happening here to a degree with the witness testimony. You know, when they're relaying it to Corbel about the duration like thirty thirty five minutes, maybe maybe it was more like twenty twenty five.

20:52 Speaker 5: You know.

20:53 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this is not subject to that that that dramatized storytelling. But there is a distinction to be made when some when there are many people say who have taken video saying listen, I only saw that thing for ten minutes, right, it was up there. And then there's another person who says, I watch this thing appear disappear. It was up there for thirty five minutes. This is someone who's clearly engaged and was like like, wasn't wanted wanted to see the whole event. There were other people who maybe saw it and disregard, you know, after ten minutes were like who cares anymore?

21:37 Speaker 1: You know, But so there, it doesn't seem that would lead me away from a hoax, if you I guess in my in my head. But I'm not saying that the hoax is not still on the table.

21:54 Speaker 4: I'm not even saying anything about the I'm saying in ten minutes, I can end this like right now, you know, I'm saying, like we keep talking about the witness testimony and tim, I mean looking at these documents, can I mean can like it'll be I mean, I will be shocked if Arthur has like a legitimate response to you know, like you know, these documents. We'll get to documents, we'll get nobody's talked. Hey, nobody's talked about these documents. Nobody has actually looked in as far as I know. Maybe they have all metabunk.

22:24 Speaker 4: Maybe they have all metabunk, but I know John Greenwall hasn't looked at the actual documents. So like the of the schedules and like the range, you know, like the amount of orders that it was expended.

22:36 Speaker 3: Okay, well did you understand it? What was in them?

22:41 Speaker 2: You know, I haven't.

22:43 Speaker 1: Let's not get it. Let's not get out of ourselves, guys. Let's not get out of.

22:47 Speaker 4: Like I am not going to say anything bad about these marines, Like I'm not, I'm just not.

22:53 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's keep playing understood, But okay, you know I won't even there because it's just going to be real more. Let's you know what, Let's just play through this. I want to get to you what you're saying, because I do want to bring up the documents. No one's explored it yet, and I do want to bring them up because I do think they're important because it does show the response from the it's the official narrative, and i'd like to explore that. I think that many people didn't just explore it, and they did a disservice to the entire thing by not exploring both sides.

23:36 Speaker 1: So that's why we're here tonight. That's why I'm here tonight, is to explore both sides. So all right, let's continue watching. We'll watch right through, we'll get a couple thoughts, and then we'll bring up those documents.

23:49 Speaker 12: Oh yeah, yeah, first time seeing something like that. Yeah, it definitely looked like a craft.

23:56 Speaker 5: Was there any sound?

23:59 Speaker 12: No sound at all? There's kind of eerie.

24:03 Speaker 5: And if you had to just guesstimate and you give me an estimate size.

24:08 Speaker 12: But Maltain was pretty big. It was pretty much like the same length as the top of the bouton. So I'm saying like.

24:16 Speaker 7: At least.

24:19 Speaker 12: Seventy five yards, like almost a little more.

24:24 Speaker 7: Than half the cool field.

24:25 Speaker 5: I would say, yeah, I keep hearing that, and you still don't know what it was.

24:32 Speaker 12: Now I could speculate that it was definitely UFO.

24:36 Speaker 5: Why would you call it a UFO? Sorry, identified, It wasn't some military object or craft.

24:46 Speaker 13: No, No, If I was, the whites would have been blinking and it would have been moving, and I was not doing any of that.

24:54 Speaker 12: The night was pretty crazy.

24:56 Speaker 13: Why there was boys of vehicles, helicopters, snun you'd really see happen there.

25:03 Speaker 5: So that was unusual. The response was unusual.

25:06 Speaker 12: Oh yeah, yeah.

25:07 Speaker 13: There was like a convoy that night of beeples heading that way.

25:12 Speaker 12: Had to be at least like fifty to the seventy trucks. It was a huge convoy.

25:17 Speaker 13: And then all night long there's helicopters just flying around everywhere.

25:22 Speaker 12: It was very unusual.

25:24 Speaker 5: Even though that was part of your you're there for training missions, and there's a non training mission going on there at that time. This is still unusual.

25:32 Speaker 12: Oh yeah, it was definitely very unusual.

25:34 Speaker 5: The response was unusual. Positive. What's your interpretation of that response?

25:39 Speaker 2: Can you pause it? So he's this is clear. This is important because he asked him, even though there was a known training mission happening at that time, do you still think it was unusual? And he said yes, he did, So that's an important point. He acknowledges that there were a training mission there, but even with that knowledge, he still thinks it's unusual.

26:06 Speaker 1: The response, yes, the response the massive response. Now, Grider, do is it normal for a base wide military drill to happen at what time? Was this? Eight thirty?

26:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, around eight thirty, eight o'clock eight thirty?

26:32 Speaker 1: Is that a normal thing?

26:34 Speaker 3: I mean people train all hours of the night, right they do?

26:39 Speaker 1: They? I'm asking you to prop a point up. They do do training both at day and night, correct, Yeah, because you have to be ready for both of those scenarios in actual wartime.

26:56 Speaker 3: I mean just that.

26:57 Speaker 4: I mean it's like you only have so many hours in a day, you know, and it's cooler at night. You know, it's Yeah, you have to train like at night, especially when you're doing aviation stuff, you know, to be able to operate under low light conditions.

27:12 Speaker 1: Right right, right, So it's it's safe to say that training that this this if they're if there, if this is flares, it's not unreasonable to say that they were doing a high scale base wide training at that. I mean, yeah, okay, and we'll get to the Yeah, and we'll get to the documents. Okay, all right, And just want to.

27:41 Speaker 3: Check the private messages style when you start the video. Thanks.

27:47 Speaker 12: I think they're probably going to hunt it down or something to see if they could find it.

27:53 Speaker 7: Oh.

27:53 Speaker 12: No, it was pretty wild, definitely, wasn't.

27:58 Speaker 14: Players wasn't for five years. I'm out now right now, I'm just going to school and working. I work at an engineering company.

28:06 Speaker 5: In all of your time in the military, the five years, did you have a specialty or anything that you did.

28:11 Speaker 6: I trade. I was a data systems technician.

28:13 Speaker 14: I worked on all the communications equipment and stuff that the ground guys used.

28:18 Speaker 6: I did that and I operated it too. For example, you.

28:22 Speaker 14: Know the guys running around in the movies with the antennas and they're always like calling it up the other one's communicating with the higher ups and you know, doing that kind of stuff like that's that's.

28:31 Speaker 5: What I did, you know, April twenty twenty one about eight twenty pm.

28:37 Speaker 2: As far as I just want to talk about his his his job in the military. He is basically the radio man. So that's a pretty you have to qualify for something like that. And those are the people that are communicating like artillery strikes. They're talking to the higher ups. So this would be someone who would probably have a little higher status than you know, a basic level sold you look at.

29:07 Speaker 4: So I just want so I gave you guys two of my commendation letters. To my letters are commendation and if you look in there, I was a radio telephone operator, like that was one of my primary jobs besides ammunition uh chief. You know, like if you look in the I think it's well.

29:25 Speaker 2: You have to qualify for that, yep, yeah, I mean.

29:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah qualified training go to yeah nine yards.

29:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's an added it says that.

29:36 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, absolutely, like everybody is specialized.

29:39 Speaker 4: But you know, I did everything else, you know, and I even went out with the infantry when they needed somebody I mean that's in the commendation letter too. But yeah, so I mean like I understand fully what but like you're not gonna have your you're not gonna have your radio going when you're chilling at night, like.

29:57 Speaker 2: No, no, all, I was making that as a radio a man, that is kind of a point of pride for a many soldiers because it's kind of saying that you're a responsible person and.

30:07 Speaker 4: Every soldier is proud of what they do, like we're all proud of like we like, every soldier is proud no matter what they're doing, from the cooks to the uh, you know, to the seals or you know.

30:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess my only point is that it's a respected position.

30:24 Speaker 4: I mean every as I'm concerned, like everybody is as.

30:29 Speaker 2: Well, you're Yeah, it's a it's a everybody's important everything.

30:38 Speaker 1: It's a cog and it's a cog in the wheel.

30:41 Speaker 2: But I might person point is that it requires you have to demonstrate competence and responsibility.

30:56 Speaker 1: I was just asking, would would you have to have scored out at a different level on your ASVAB to to enter into cap radio communications?

31:10 Speaker 4: No, No, I mean it's like that's just like a that's not a specific MOS that's like a uh within like your your job classification, which I think these guys are probably O three elevens are zero three elevens, which are like normal infantry, well not normally, I mean, you know they're you know, they're the Marine infantry. But within that job classification, you have like different specialties, like you have a heavy machine gunner, you have a you know, a driver.

31:38 Speaker 3: It's like you have different jobs.

31:39 Speaker 4: But it's it's not a it's not its own job, like you don't go to like uh a two month long like school like after basic for it. You know, it's like everybody is specialized training, Like each soldier receives specialized training once they get to their unit in whatever job they fulfill within the you know that unit. It's the best way I can explain it. You know, I'm sorry if I can't explain it better.

32:03 Speaker 5: But oh, thank you.

32:05 Speaker 1: I think you think you did very well there. Okay, let's go, all right, let's keep going.

32:11 Speaker 6: That's that's what I did. You know.

32:12 Speaker 5: April twentieth, twenty twenty one, about eight twenty pm. As far as this event, walk me through it.

32:20 Speaker 6: We were out in palms. If I recall correctly. I was one of the first people. I walked outside, and I was like, what the fuck is that? That was weird?

32:27 Speaker 14: And then I was like, dude, that's when I pulled my head inside and I was like, hey, guys, there's like some weird stuff in the sky.

32:34 Speaker 6: You guys, come check this out.

32:35 Speaker 14: And then so when everyone came outside, and then like in one of the pictures I sent you, you can see just rows of like those cans that we were sleeping in, just rose of people coming out and like looking up into the sky.

32:46 Speaker 5: I've heard different timelines of like how long it was there in the sky? Can you tell me for how long you saw it in the sky?

32:56 Speaker 14: I was outside for at least ten to fifteen minutes. I know that I wasn't outside like the whole time.

33:02 Speaker 5: Did you see when they shot flares up and they had those lumin flares? Yeah for sure.

33:08 Speaker 7: Yeah.

33:08 Speaker 6: There's one of the pictures I.

33:09 Speaker 14: Sent you there's flares in the sky with the lights behind it.

33:12 Speaker 5: One of the kids he goes, you could see a shape, he said about it not just being lights, but seeing like the shape of a body of a craft. Did you see that?

33:24 Speaker 7: Yeah?

33:24 Speaker 6: Yeah, it just they were stagnant.

33:27 Speaker 14: They weren't moving. They were very in place. That's what was so weird to us is that it was just kind of just like there.

33:35 Speaker 5: Did they drop like flares, did they descend like flares? Or did it stay and hover and play?

33:40 Speaker 14: No, not at all. That's not what these lights were doing. The lights were pretty stagnant in the sky and not moving anywhere.

33:49 Speaker 2: Size.

33:50 Speaker 14: If you had to guess, it was a big object. Whatever it was, it was, it had some mass to it. It wasn't just you know, some freaking small and thing flying in this guy. I mean, with the distance and stuff, it could have been as big as a freaking football field.

34:06 Speaker 5: Honestly, was this like something you've ever seen before?

34:12 Speaker 2: No?

34:14 Speaker 15: Were those a lance corporal poems at Campbellton without knowing any of in the media.

34:23 Speaker 5: Corporal it's going on a.

34:25 Speaker 1: Lance corporal is granted? You want to take this one?

34:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm having to look it up right now. It's uh, well, it's equivalent to a private first class equivalent. Yes, so what is it?

34:42 Speaker 1: It's a Marine Corps.

34:44 Speaker 4: Commission It's yeah, but it's but it's not a It's like.

34:50 Speaker 2: Is it you know how that's E one E two, E three what what number it's not.

34:56 Speaker 4: It's three, not a non commissioned officer. It's below a cor which is considered a non commissioned officer. I guess in the Marine Corps, I mean an E four would be considered, you know, just a specialist. In the Army, it wouldn't be considered a non commission officer. And then it looks like E five is sergeant, same as the Army, so it goes, yeah, goes private private first class, and then lance corporal E three, corporal E four, and then sergeant E five.

35:23 Speaker 2: So yeah, so he wasn't a sergeant. He wasn't a sergeant, but I mean he he had been promoted at least twice at this point.

35:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean those are automatic promotions. Not saying anything about the guy, just those are automatic with time.

35:37 Speaker 2: So he's an E three, he's an E three.

35:39 Speaker 4: But in the Marine Corps they do have like a different structure, they have a different culture where I think a lance corporal and E three it's like they have power over the E two s and the E ones. I think that's how they do it to kind of like much stronger non commissioned officer corps from like the beginning, they start giving responsibility earlier, whereas the Army, if you're an E three you're nobody, you know, right.

36:01 Speaker 1: I think it's kind in the Marine corps just above private first class and below corporal. Uh, it's the most commonly held rank in the Marine, and it's the highest one that you get hold as a marine without being like he said, an NCO non commissioned officer. So yeah, just to add some context.

36:28 Speaker 4: School, Yeah, yeah, that's the most common. Heck, that's like low paid too. That's that's kind of depressing.

36:33 Speaker 3: That's the most common because like in the Army, once you reach E four, you know, they call it like sham specialists, you know, where once you get to E four, Like I've known guys you know that were E four for you know, ten years. You know, it's like ephours.

36:47 Speaker 4: Seems to be like the rank where you know, you get to and you're just kind of like you can kind of tread water at you know, for years and years. But I guess their most common is E three because of that, you know, they make it where it's earlier. The adoption of like, you know, responsibility, which I think is cool, that builds but you know that builds better leaders.

37:06 Speaker 2: Okay, that's all I wanted to find out what was thank.

37:09 Speaker 5: You, you know what night at Campbellson without knowing any of the hubbub in the media right now that's going on. You know what night I'm referring to, right, Yes, sir.

37:25 Speaker 6: I do.

37:26 Speaker 5: In twenty twenty one, twentieth of April. You were there, Yes, I was. You know exactly what I'm asking about, don't you.

37:36 Speaker 15: I know the exact date because I remember when the helicopters started taken off and they were flying jets all over the base, all sporadically.

37:44 Speaker 12: Shortly after all that happened.

37:46 Speaker 5: Okay, and is that your voice in the video that says you can see a shape?

37:51 Speaker 15: Yes, sir, I already know which video you're talking about. We were all ran outside seeing what it was. At first, of course, we all thought it was squayres, but don't stay.

38:00 Speaker 12: Up in the air that long.

38:02 Speaker 15: They were in like a triangular shape and they were just holding that pattern for a long time. You can kind of see an outline of something, but we weren't sure what it was.

38:11 Speaker 12: It just looked like something I've never seen. It was very odd.

38:16 Speaker 5: Why, well, when.

38:19 Speaker 12: A flare gets shot up.

38:20 Speaker 15: I mean, it leaves a trail, and it's also being parachuted.

38:24 Speaker 12: So it doesn't sit in the same spot.

38:27 Speaker 15: For a very long period of time and the light dims down. That light was there for a very long time.

38:34 Speaker 5: How long.

38:36 Speaker 12: I can't remember precisely how long it was.

38:39 Speaker 5: Like approximate was it five minutes? Was it an hour?

38:43 Speaker 15: I remember we were all out there probably for about a good thirty minutes looking at it, which, like I said, which makes no.

38:50 Speaker 8: Sense to me if it would be a flare because a flare is continuously fall.

38:55 Speaker 2: Well that was another reference to thirty minutes.

39:00 Speaker 1: So that is our second, right.

39:03 Speaker 3: Like, can you go back and play that?

39:05 Speaker 2: And we see no, no, look at the quote. Look at the quote. Look at the quote.

39:08 Speaker 1: We can't. We can play it. So and everything in purple is or or I'm a little colorblind, it's purple or blue. Anything that isn't that is, Jeremy, anything in white or gray is the marine was.

39:27 Speaker 12: There a very long time?

39:30 Speaker 5: How long?

39:32 Speaker 12: I can't remember precisely how.

39:34 Speaker 7: Long it was?

39:36 Speaker 1: So what so he says, I don't know how long it was there.

39:42 Speaker 5: Like approximate was it five minutes? Was it an hour.

39:46 Speaker 15: I remember we were all out there probably for about a good thirty minutes looking at it.

39:51 Speaker 1: He distinguishes that he was looking at it for thirty minutes,

39:58 Speaker 1: So again, there could be some fluff.

40:04 Speaker 3: I think.

40:05 Speaker 1: I'm sure that. I'm sure they had to stop watch, you know, and time the event. Actually I wish someone would have because that would have been really cool.

40:18 Speaker 4: And uh, taken a video longer than thirty six seconds. That would have been nice.

40:22 Speaker 6: You know.

40:23 Speaker 2: Yes, I agree the reason that the videos were short. Hold on the reason the videos were short, according to the witnesses, is because they're switching between taking low light photos and taking videos. That's that's the explanation.

40:38 Speaker 3: For cell phones. In that picture earlier, we're all switching.

40:42 Speaker 2: Well, I hope we get more video.

40:44 Speaker 3: They were all constantly switching between. I'm saying, like, I don't know.

40:49 Speaker 2: That's just the explanation that was given. That was the explanation given.

40:53 Speaker 4: On Facebook trying to find any you know, public photos from you know, people that were there, you know, and I guess you know, they have their profiles lockdown or something, because I couldn't find any you know, back in the day. Yeah, I don't have their facebooks locked down like that, you could find photos. You know, nowadays you can't find anything unless you know somebody, unless you're friends with them.

41:14 Speaker 8: Right, which makes those sense to me. If it would be a flare, because the flare is continuously falling, you'll see that smoke. There's a parachute attached to them, so they slow down while they fall, and you didn't.

41:29 Speaker 15: You couldn't see a parachute on them. Even if they were zoomed in. They weren't moving.

41:34 Speaker 12: It wasn't even.

41:35 Speaker 15: Burning like a burning kind of light, because you know, a flayer's combustion.

41:40 Speaker 5: I have a video where afterwards these loom flares go up and they look very different, like they're falling and they.

41:48 Speaker 12: Yeah, it's jurassically different from what we saw.

41:51 Speaker 5: Your adamant that these were not flares, Yes, sir, And is it because of the proximity to you, the color of them, not seeing descent, not seeing smoke. Why are these not flares?

42:06 Speaker 15: The smoke de scent, like I said, the flares of combustion light, So it's kind of flickering the entire time.

42:15 Speaker 15: And then those lights weren't flickering this like just bite just they they're like perfect orbs and a triangle.

42:23 Speaker 5: You're saying that with normal flares that I assume you've seen a lot of in your military career, right, yes, sir, Okay, so this doesn't look like any flare that you've ever seen.

42:34 Speaker 12: I have not seen a flare like that in my military career.

42:39 Speaker 15: It looks like it was illuminated, like from a bulb or some other stores it.

42:44 Speaker 5: What was the color that you kind of saw compared to like loom flares or something. Was it different in color?

42:51 Speaker 2: I just want to that's an important point that he was making, is that they weren't flickering and they weren't like a like a burning from a flare.

43:01 Speaker 7: What.

43:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, because he was farther away from them, Like when you're farther away, they don't look they don't look like they're flickering. At least that's my experience. That's what my experience is personally. You know, farther away, you don't notice the flickering. It's just I mean, I can't explain it, just the way it is. And then when you're closer you can see more of the flickering. That's or if it's a really powerful flare, you can see the flickering. But IR flares are not very powerful in the visible spectrum.

43:25 Speaker 3: They're not going to be flickering.

43:26 Speaker 2: Invisible on this visible spectrum. That's what IR flares are. Invisible, according to the manufacturer. That is my direct source.

43:37 Speaker 4: I mean, you're not even read like, you're not even quoting the manufacturer correctly because it said nearly invisible.

43:44 Speaker 3: So that's not entirely invisible. You're you know, you're leaving out a word there.

43:50 Speaker 2: Words you know, virtually invisible to the naked eye.

43:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's that's incorrect, and.

44:00 Speaker 2: We can bring it up later. We can't hear you, ty.

44:07 Speaker 1: I said, we don't have to get hung up on that just right now.

44:11 Speaker 2: Let's finish this.

44:14 Speaker 3: We're hung up on it. Man. We're like like.

44:17 Speaker 1: Yes, it's probably the longest show I've done in a long time.

44:24 Speaker 3: I mean, we can go on and you know, to con right, it's a conceit.

44:32 Speaker 12: Like that in my military career.

44:34 Speaker 3: I'm here.

44:35 Speaker 12: It looks like it was an illuminated.

44:37 Speaker 1: Fight somebody, this guy, and I just want to put this out that he said he is out of the Marine Corps. Now I know it's you know, once and always a marine, but he is a not active marine at this point. Whether he did four years or not, we don't, I get, I don't know. But so in his whole military career he did not see anything like that is his uh, that's his testimony, at least the Jeremy.

45:08 Speaker 3: That's anecdotal, you know, Yeah.

45:10 Speaker 1: I would agree.

45:15 Speaker 12: From a bulb or some other source.

45:18 Speaker 5: What was the color that you kind of saw compared to like loom flares or something. Was it different in color?

45:25 Speaker 8: I mean, we have some flareres, we have red flares, but that was like a reddish orange color. Those lives were with like a hant of yellow around it. We don't have players that are like that color, Like the red flayers are like a blood red color, but very bright.

45:42 Speaker 5: And if you had to approximate the size, what would the size of what you're seeing? How big was that.

45:48 Speaker 15: For to be that pronounced from that distance? I mean it had to be pretty large.

45:54 Speaker 5: So a lot of people are saying, what you know, well, that that's just a normal training exercise. Aren't there always training exercises on that base?

46:03 Speaker 15: Yes, sir, Before any big deployment, a Marine infantry unit will train on that base.

46:08 Speaker 5: Let me ask you this I was told that right after there was a pretty massive response, you know, sixty five time vehicles, Humbi's helicopters that went to like eleven thirty at night. Were you witnessed to that as well, Yes, sir, I was. Do you think that was in direct response to what you saw?

46:28 Speaker 12: I believe.

46:29 Speaker 5: So what do you think they were doing?

46:33 Speaker 15: I think they were just surveying, maybe trying to keep anything away from us, seeing what's out there, and the same thing, they had jets fired up and they were feeling full blast in that direction.

46:47 Speaker 3: Zoom.

46:47 Speaker 5: Do you think it was a craft?

46:51 Speaker 12: Honestly, sir, I dud. It looked like it was observing just that there and just watched us. That's what it felt like.

47:00 Speaker 5: Can you just explain that to me?

47:01 Speaker 16: So I understand, Well, like in our line of work, if we were gonna do recon on our enemy or something, we would take a high advantage point where we could see it base and we would plan.

47:14 Speaker 15: It out after like a while of just now it's just even more just we know it wasn't players because we talked about.

47:23 Speaker 12: It a lot that night.

47:24 Speaker 15: It just felt like if it was something not from here, that's what they were.

47:30 Speaker 4: Doing yeah, because an attack followed, right, How does.

47:34 Speaker 5: That make you feel?

47:38 Speaker 1: Kind of I don't know how to sorry, are you guys saying something.

47:44 Speaker 3: Oh nothing, I was giving color commentary.

47:47 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, is trying to discredit the witnesses as they were.

47:51 Speaker 3: Talking and discredits himself.

47:56 Speaker 2: I think this guy sounds very sincere.

48:02 Speaker 3: Confirmation bise drug.

48:04 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying that that is a testament to it credibility or anything like that, but you know, he sounds like he's a very humble person. Sir, Yes, sir uh, even when speaking to someone like Jeremy so uh, you know, I I'm I will just say this, the evidence, other evidence that we've seen to date, right to date, as in in this episode, kind of has leaned. I would say more in if you were to bring it into a court case. I think there's enough to say that something's going on or something weird happens.

48:48 Speaker 3: But the testimony and not like I've got ten minutes.

48:56 Speaker 1: Exactly. So that's what I wanted to make clear. Is it very much seems right now three hours in that we have had a long, arduous battle about the videos and the witness testimony, but that is the main evidence that I would say that is the main evidence to the case. Now what the response was from the d D and the spokesperson of the d D and all that. Yes, we're just going in a linear way, and you're right, we haven't got to the meat of your evidence. So I want to make sure we have like literally one minute left, so let's just play.

49:41 Speaker 15: I feel like I've known about it, and it's just like I felt like we've just been getting lied to for a long time about it, and now that I saw that, it kind of just you know, confirmed it for me, at least to myself.

49:56 Speaker 1: It did, so it confirmed it at least to himself. Now he doesn't sound like he cares what anyone thinks. Now, Uh, whether that means anything anybody is a different story. So Arthur,

50:18 Speaker 1: thank you for for supplying, you know, and thank you Jeremy and everyone who was able to put together all that. For now, I do want to give a chance for Grider to pull up some of the documents that show or say that this was a training exercise.

50:43 Speaker 4: Well, first, I mean, it's actually my uh my dinner is done. So Arthur, do you have anything else you want to do? You want to go into the susan go thing or anything like that. I'll let you have carte blanche.

50:53 Speaker 2: While sure, well, why don't you share my.

50:58 Speaker 3: Eye out by the you know, like I'm like, I make it so angry, I'll choke on my taco and like that'll be it. Man, you'll win, you know, like, who knows?

51:06 Speaker 2: Can't you share my screen there?

51:13 Speaker 3: All right?

51:14 Speaker 2: So these are my main arguments that I want writer to respond to. So number one, two military witnesses said that the five light formation lasted thirty minutes, and there's no known flare that lasts even close to that long. So that was something that they kept saying over and over again that it was lasting too long. Players don't last that long. Thirty minutes is a really long time.

51:39 Speaker 3: We've been over this, so haven't we, like, haven't we gone over this already? Do you think?

51:46 Speaker 15: Well?

51:47 Speaker 2: Okay? So going on to number two, the military witness and witnesses in the videos could not identify what they were seeing, even though they were trained with the use of flares. So the witnesses on the ground they're at night, who are trained in the use of flares, you could hear it in their immediate response that they could not identify what they were seeing, and I wanted to get writer's explanation for that eventually.

52:12 Speaker 1: Okay.

52:14 Speaker 2: Number three, the five like formation can remain mostly stationary and did not descend, according to the witnesses, showing some showing positive lift, which is one of the five observables. So you could hear the witnesses say over and over again that they weren't falling, they were just kind of hovering and staying in the same location. Number four five.

52:34 Speaker 1: Low visibility is also I think we talked about it in the podcast that low visibility is also part of that. Yes, I don't I don't really like that Lou included low observability because I think that's kind of like, yeah, well, it.

52:54 Speaker 2: Can mean a lot of things that could be disappearing from radar. It could be stealth technology, it's just something that's causing have low visibility. And it could be you know, cloaking, it could be shifting into another dimension. We don't really know. But the witnesses did say that it just vanished, it didn't fly away in some direction.

53:11 Speaker 1: Or you know, and in the camera at one point it disappears, Yes, yes.

53:20 Speaker 17: Session tinker Bell taking them and never never land too, Like, I mean, we're talking about all possibilities there, right, just

53:29 Speaker 17: that one, right, so hard to argue against, Like when you know the it's like there's so many pots, Like when all those pots like cloaking and all that, Like how am I even supposed to like answered, Like how am I supposed to answer to that? Like it's a great move, by the way, but like I have like I have no answer for that, Like how could I possibly answered something?

53:48 Speaker 5: Theory?

53:48 Speaker 2: Well, that wasn't That's not one of my points here. So number four, the five light formation didn't randomly drift apart, but stayed in a formation like that V formation, and the behaviors inconsistent with parachute flares, which are chaotically drift in the wind. So we have like at least a thirty six second clip that I think that's the longest clip we have. And if you compare a thirty six second clip of flares, you'll see them moving and drifting in different directions, while this, you know, didn't do that at all.

54:23 Speaker 2: So five, according to my analysis of the Foyer photos, there's strong evidence evidence of fraud. So that's something I'm going to have to get into the details with that's pre technical, but we can we can go there. But essentially I have uncovered what I am claiming is evidence of fraud and evidence of a pre bunking operation by the do D in arrow number six.

54:47 Speaker 4: Hold on, so you're like a whistleblower, is what you're saying. That's my speciality. All right, we're gonna take it day. Actually, I'm kind of want to go to your side now, I kind of want to back you up now.

54:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, Umber six, There's no way that within twenty four hours of weaponized publishing this story, that Susan Go, who is infamous, would have time to conduct an investigation, get statements from twenty nine Base Range Control, and issue a statement for John Greenwall to publish denying that this was a UAP event. You're not going to both collect data and then get approved to publish it to the public within twenty four hours. That nothing like that moves that fast in the government. I did work in the government, so you know I can nothing moves that fast.

55:37 Speaker 4: She seemed like she had like Susan is nagging you if like you're like a military colonel or whatever, and Susan Go is like nagging you on the phone for an entire morning. You don't think you would expedite things to get her to you know.

55:48 Speaker 2: Why would it be a priority, Why would this be a priority for the for the military.

55:53 Speaker 3: Oh, what's up? All right? All right? I can't Oh why you dude? Like, oh like Beauty and the Beast. Oh my gosh, Hm, she.

56:02 Speaker 9: Is quite nice, pretty nice.

56:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have I have a girlfriend there. I just very beautiful of the.

56:13 Speaker 3: Ocean, I know, super sweet.

56:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, so let's get back and then and then you bring on artists and Tony like after that it's like, you know, Beauty and the Beast right there.

56:22 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, artists and Tony. You're wrong about these flares?

56:28 Speaker 10: Uh?

56:29 Speaker 2: About these being flares?

56:30 Speaker 7: Okay?

56:31 Speaker 2: So number seven? Yeah, number seven. According to military witness, the color of the flat five light formation was not consistent with the flares they'd been exposed to in their service. So, uh, they described what they witnessed as a yell as, let's see, reddish orange is what they witnessed of the five light formation, And he's saying they don't have reddish orange flares, And.

56:59 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what I thought the reddish orange flares were the ones that we know.

57:08 Speaker 4: I have like seventy videos ready to go, or I've got them piled out on my screen.

57:13 Speaker 3: Rad I don't mean the colors.

57:16 Speaker 2: No, this is just if if you did. If we go back to the witnesses, one of them was describing the colors and talking about the colors of right.

57:25 Speaker 1: Right, I thought the orange and yellow worlds.

57:28 Speaker 4: Orange flares, white flares, purple flares, blue flares. There's all different types of flares, all different colors.

57:35 Speaker 2: He says there that usually they're yellow white. That is the typical color color, yellow white, and these are reddish orange.

57:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're amber, they're illoone. But when they're infrared, infrared is more of a white color and it's extremely faint.

57:52 Speaker 2: No, infrared is red. It's very dark red. If you're gonna see the visible part of it.

57:58 Speaker 4: Actually, infrared is more purple than anything, if you like. Yeah, infrared no shows up as like it's like a very faint like white, but it's really purple.

58:06 Speaker 2: But it I mean, I have an infrared flashlight. I know what infrared looks.

58:11 Speaker 3: What the visit Well, I guess I okay, I get you all right?

58:17 Speaker 2: Anyway, Anyway, finishing off number seven, the lights didn't flicker like a typical chemical flare burns. So those are my seven points. Sorry, there my seven points, and Grid, I would honestly like to see you respond in writing to each one of these. I'd appreciate that. But if you want to, if you want to respond to any of these right now, go ahead.

58:49 Speaker 4: Hours going over the witness testimony and like so like I'm going to address that. And yeah, I mean I think that I've already addressed most of those points, like don't.

59:00 Speaker 3: You think ty? I think, yeah, we've been the past couple of hours, with the exception of maybe talk about but like that's and then the Susan.

59:16 Speaker 1: Go thing, I mean, yeah, pre you both.

59:19 Speaker 4: How can I possibly know how like why Susan Go got that done so fast? I would think, you know, maybe because it was easy because it was obvious, like what the you know, what the event like.

59:30 Speaker 3: Was, what was going on was easy.

59:34 Speaker 4: I mean, it's easy. I'm I'm about to show you. Just give me a second to gather my.

59:38 Speaker 1: Thoughts, hold right, and I do want to a.

59:42 Speaker 3: Minute and a half to get my screen set up.

59:45 Speaker 1: Okay, And what I think he's trying to go with here is that uh I think he's right, so number one. Two military witnesses said the five like forma should lasted thirty minutes. No non flair ask even close to that long. He agrees that players don't. He is saying that we don't have, uh, the actual information or data to suggest other than the witness testimony that this event took place for that long. Uh. The military witnesses in the video could not identify what they were seeing, even though they are trained with the use of flares, Even though they were trained with the use of flares that are shot from uh what like he said from terrain.

1:00:37 Speaker 1: He said that he even didn't work with the ones. These are marines, they're not the air Force, so these would be different people dropping they do they do? They do? So, I mean, I guess it could have been them, That is possible.

1:00:57 Speaker 7: But.

1:00:59 Speaker 1: So than what we have the five light formation, this is mine. The five light formation remained mostly stationary and did not descend, according to witnesses, showing positive lift. In all the videos that we see, all the pictures that we see, we see a mostly you could draw a line through them, and no matter what video, it seems that they're at the same distance from each other and you can't. I'm so pissed that Jeremy didn't ask about altitude because that would help us in this sense. But

1:01:41 Speaker 1: the videos never show wavering like flares would, at least in my the videos that we've seen of other flares, they seem like they kind of they don't stay in formation for for for longer than a couple seconds at most. So how did these in a thirty six second video stay in such a hard formation? Is this some sort of advanced technology? Are they were? They? Were they training and deploying advanced new technology that could be also something that we haven't taken into consideration. Who knows. So I was just kind of bantering waiting for the gay sets, like, could this be some sort of dark pertest of new illuomin arounds?

1:02:37 Speaker 1: It's very I guess it's safe to say so. But the five Marines that came forward, their testimony says otherwise, says that this thing, from their eyes, looked to have structure and that it was not flares. It seemed like each one of them wanted to make that very clear.

1:03:00 Speaker 2: Yes, they're emphatic about that, and they didn't drift apart. That's another important thing that I mean they seem to stay in a cluster. You know, you don't see them like going, you know, laterally as they drift, And if you watch videos of flares, they kind of float all around in all different directions and they don't stay in it tight cluster like that for thirty seconds, not even for thirty seconds, let alone thirty minutes.

1:03:31 Speaker 1: Well, this is an interesting video. I don't know where Grider is, but I'm just gonna play it because I'm like, huh, I don't know if this is flares, but I'd love to hear him talk about it.

1:03:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, if it is, because I'm still setting up the documents to where I can easily just you know where this can be quick.

1:03:52 Speaker 1: But can you go to the hold on? Is this are these flares?

1:03:57 Speaker 4: I don't know what you're looking at right now. Oh, if you go to the media thread, I set up like a compilation, a side by side compilation.

1:04:07 Speaker 3: If you can go to.

1:04:09 Speaker 4: Uh where see go to number seventeen, and if you can just play that, and if you can change the speed to half speed, because I put it on two time speed, so yeah, if you can change it to half speed, and then that'll play at normal speed and that'll be two minutes worth of Flare is dropping. That's four different yeah, four different like verified Flare incidents. And then by the time that's done, Yeah, so just change it to half speed.

1:04:40 Speaker 1: Yep, got it. I just changed it over. So I just wanted to make sure that it was full speed

1:04:50 Speaker 1: because it plays like.

1:04:51 Speaker 2: Explain to me what we're looking at. Are these four separate incidents Flare videos?

1:04:58 Speaker 3: Those are all verified Flare videos that I found.

1:05:00 Speaker 2: Look at it, so, okay, but it's four different locations for different events.

1:05:05 Speaker 4: Correct for different videos guarantee players.

1:05:26 Speaker 1: Okay, so that metal one is staying information.

1:05:31 Speaker 2: It seemed like the left one cut out and came back.

1:05:39 Speaker 2: I can see him falling pretty clearly.

1:05:43 Speaker 1: And I don't know that that second one, the second one over, the second one over, does make a good case. It does look very similar.

1:05:57 Speaker 2: You could make the argument that something could last five seven minutes long, but not ten to thirty minutes.

1:06:04 Speaker 1: You see you see this one, right? Yeah?

1:06:05 Speaker 3: Right, there's no thirty minute video though, I do.

1:06:10 Speaker 1: Do you see this one? This one? I do look one too?

1:06:15 Speaker 3: Is you were of anybody?

1:06:20 Speaker 5: Yeah?

1:06:20 Speaker 3: Hey, can you turn the sound down?

1:06:21 Speaker 4: That was like it was yeah, that was capturing my set like I was doing, I was talking in a space.

1:06:26 Speaker 1: During that you decided you half speed?

1:06:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's half speed because like I was speaking at half speed in the space. I mean, because I was speaking at full speed in the spaces. But the videos were at double speed, so I would have to spent so much time, you know, recording them. Okay, all right, so I'm ready whenever you guys are, I mean, just after the video gets done, let me know.

1:06:51 Speaker 2: Oh it's like John Greenwald unblocked, mean is starting to talk smack back at me.

1:07:01 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.

1:07:05 Speaker 4: Some something to note too is just beware of anybody that's kind of turn that sound down, turn that sound off please. Why is because I'm talking in the space. While I was recording this with obs.

1:07:17 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I was like, I was so confused that what I was what I was hearing because I thought that whole time that that was you. Like by now, I guess that would have been before you probably did say something. This one will be here interest me too, because those two are staying pretty steady. But these ones right here that the smoke trens.

1:07:52 Speaker 3: That's probably the speed.

1:07:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and then if if you look also if you go to the very very first posts that I've got.

1:08:01 Speaker 3: That one is a picture collage. And then also I've got a video of like an actual osprey you know, dropping blue too. I r flares.

1:08:10 Speaker 4: That's number six and number five it's one of the two. I think it's number six.

1:08:16 Speaker 7: And then.

1:08:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, and video you see the third video right now? Yeah, this one, the one right here, I'm circling it and zooming into it right now. At one point, all those three looked like one big giant ball of light. Do you think that could be something similar to what we saw on the binocular or the you know the picture he brought up earlier where it was just kind of one big solid ball of light.

1:08:56 Speaker 2: Because some of these are looking I could be wrong right here.

1:09:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean yeah, they're at different times. You know, it's like there's four videos that like they're at different links.

1:09:08 Speaker 3: I just have them looping because it was, you know, the easiest way.

1:09:11 Speaker 1: To get all this one. See this one right here, yeah, could that you know, the the the picture you brought up earlier of the the uh night vision goggle someone put their iPhone up.

1:09:28 Speaker 2: To it, yeah and.

1:09:35 Speaker 1: Light, Yeah, it all bled into one thing. Well, that this is. It looks like that's what's happening here as well.

1:09:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're probably right.

1:09:46 Speaker 1: So it's just interesting to see. But that is a I'll say.

1:09:53 Speaker 2: That's strong evidence. I'll give it to Grid's strong.

1:09:56 Speaker 1: It is strong. Many of those look very be, very similar to being able to hold their position. However, however, again, how long are those videos if you loop them? Are those twenty second videos as well ten second videos as well?

1:10:20 Speaker 4: I mean they were all varying links, you know, Okay, the longest one was two minutes.

1:10:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's what I did. Is I just did him half.

1:10:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I did him half, so like the longest one would have Actually, no, that's not correct, right, the long I mean, I don't know, like you should be able to tell when it loops, when it goes back when itself right.

1:10:40 Speaker 1: Now, Okay, that doesn't matter. But so but that that, you know what I'm gonna point Grider, because you did show that a formation can be achieved. Yeah, well, what I was looking for specifically, is a formation being achievable, such as the one that we're seeing in the twenty nine pomps.

1:11:08 Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, yeah, I mean I've got yeah, yeah, like absolutely, go to Uh actually I tagged you. Hold on, go to my twitter, Go to my Twitter, and it's let's see. Go to I let's see, Go to my profile, go to media and then look at where is it? Okay, look at one o nine. It's so it's uh, okay, on the far left column down below, uh down, it's about it's right there where the monetized and it's yeah, just keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.

1:11:50 Speaker 3: It'll be on the left hands.

1:11:51 Speaker 9: Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.

1:11:55 Speaker 3: Keep going going. Go go right there, one oh nine, click that up up up, uh one zero nine right there, Yeah, this is artillery. Keep in mind.

1:12:10 Speaker 7: How great.

1:12:13 Speaker 12: Is the range lap spread.

1:12:18 Speaker 16: Through five six.

1:12:20 Speaker 18: Seven six m oh ude one yah, huh.

1:12:37 Speaker 2: Light up the battlefield.

1:12:45 Speaker 1: No smoke, well, no visible smoke.

1:12:50 Speaker 2: I can see see it.

1:12:52 Speaker 1: I can start to see it.

1:12:54 Speaker 3: Something dropped by aircraft.

1:12:56 Speaker 2: Hold on, now we can see smoke, though it's.

1:12:59 Speaker 3: Pretty mean barely so yeah, barely.

1:13:03 Speaker 1: He spoke once he started like once he started it zooming. But you have to think in a consideration at the videos that we were seeing in twenty nine palms.

1:13:17 Speaker 4: Dude, that's the Phoenix pyramid. Right there man, or the film it's like the home.

1:13:21 Speaker 1: Phoenix, Like, right, do you think that? Let me ask you a.

1:13:25 Speaker 3: Question, Phoenix, do you think no? Like we're coming up with our own name. You know what I'm.

1:13:28 Speaker 1: Saying, Oh, gotcha, gotcha.

1:13:32 Speaker 3: Get paid, dogs paid man?

1:13:36 Speaker 1: Like do you think the field flights was a real event? Or now?

1:13:41 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to get into that right now. I don't know.

1:13:46 Speaker 4: I've seen pictures where it looks like something like I saw in Basic, and then I've seen pictures where it looks like flares and oh, all right, so go down. And then this will be one where it's aircraft flares that are dropped. They look exactly alike their eye are are these are?

1:14:02 Speaker 7: Yeah?

1:14:03 Speaker 3: These may be IR flares.

1:14:04 Speaker 4: All right, go down and this was that nellis Nell, it's the red flag, and so go down until keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, and keep going and a little bit more until you get to like the nuke right.

1:14:16 Speaker 3: Up up up up up up up up up.

1:14:20 Speaker 9: And then above the nuke one row, keep going, keep going, keep going above the nuke.

1:14:30 Speaker 3: One row above the nuke, all the way to the right, all the way to the right. Two of five, two of five down. Yeah, there you go right there.

1:14:35 Speaker 4: Now this is really interesting one. This was that Nellis range back in twenty twelve.

1:14:45 Speaker 1: Day this isn't twenty twelve.

1:14:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, and just wait, like.

1:14:55 Speaker 4: And you'll see the sparking that we see in the video for twenty nine palms in this vide and it's chaff.

1:15:01 Speaker 3: You see the sparking. That's chaff.

1:15:04 Speaker 2: What's the chef?

1:15:07 Speaker 3: You can speed the playback speed up a little bit because.

1:15:09 Speaker 2: It's a second. It's the function of chaff.

1:15:13 Speaker 3: No, no, no, don't posit. Don't posit'll pose it.

1:15:17 Speaker 4: Chaff is, uh, Chaff is like countermeasures for air to like keep the yeah, like as like a decoy. Chaff is to confuse like radar, you know, like to confuse, to confuse a missile if it's trying to lock on to you. Which flares do that too, But chaff is something different. Chaff is for radar like cloud seed.

1:15:40 Speaker 2: Well, I mean chaff is usually it's usually like aluminum foil or like pieces of aluminum.

1:15:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what's being deployed. That's what those sparks are.

1:15:54 Speaker 2: Why would the aluminum foil.

1:15:57 Speaker 4: Quick deploying, of course. I mean it's probably the deployment. You know, the deployment is pyrotechnic of the chaff being deployed.

1:16:09 Speaker 3: It's like it's not just like let out of the the deployment too. I mean, I don't know, are you.

1:16:21 Speaker 1: Saying that's what all those flashes are?

1:16:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's chef.

1:16:25 Speaker 2: I think those are running lights from the craft from the aircraft, mm hmm.

1:16:32 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. It seems like there were too many of I think there's too many of the flash for them to be aircraft.

1:16:43 Speaker 4: I mean, I think it was cheff. And that's what somebody who I trust like that. I don't know personally, but somebody in the common in a forum that I'm.

1:16:51 Speaker 12: A part of.

1:16:54 Speaker 3: Trust them.

1:16:54 Speaker 1: One two three four.

1:17:01 Speaker 2: Why would they be launching chaff.

1:17:05 Speaker 4: Because that's when you train, you launch chaff too, Because they want to train, you know, learn how to deploy chaff. I guess they want to chaff it up.

1:17:16 Speaker 3: I mean.

1:17:18 Speaker 2: They're just chaffing it up up there.

1:17:21 Speaker 3: I mean how much, Yeah, chaffing it up? You know. All right, So here is thank you, John Greenwald.

1:17:25 Speaker 4: This is the Foyer documents from the Foyer request I forgot what the name of this collection of documents is, but I think range. Maybe it's like the Marine Air something control.

1:17:36 Speaker 3: Whatever.

1:17:37 Speaker 4: It's the schedule for what they were doing. This is twentieth, the twentieth or yeah, the twentieth of April twenty twenty one. Right here, we've got I highlighted. That's my highlight going down the middle. I also added these annotations of terms that I myself did not know until I looked it up.

1:17:56 Speaker 3: Right here twenty this is it. This is military time.

1:18:00 Speaker 4: I'm this highlighted area is what I you know, got from twenty to twenty thirty. So from eight to eight thirty. Right here, we've got an air delivered ground refueling going on. At the same time, we've got the ending of a forward arming and refueling point going on. And that's where they actually they coordinate. They create like a ground refuel link station out you know, and then like that way helicopters and you know, tilt rotor craft can land and have a safe place to refuel. The dos DAS has to do with like OP four, which is like OP four aircraft, which I'll show later on FARP.

1:18:39 Speaker 4: Right here is that's the fuel that's the same thing, you know, forward arming and refueling point. Then you've got the objectives, so that it's like they were they were training on objectives, so like there were two different there were two different objectives, Objective A and Objective B. I think they were listed on the map. And then you can see right here they've uh like two different you know, two different units. I can't tell exactly which unit it was that was, you know, training on these objectives, but I can tell that right here CASS that's close air support, So there was close air support that they were coordinating with in the bounding down you know, in the mission that you know of taking these objectives, I would assume, but CAZ was involved in them.

1:19:22 Speaker 4: Right here, DAS is like defensive air. It's it's like the op for And then right here is another a d g R. And then you've got the beginning of her, which is helicopter air to air refueling and tilt rotor air to air refueling, which the tilt rotor that would be done with like a KC one thirty or a KC ten is my understanding. And then if we go over here we can we can see exactly so this is sixteenth. If we go down to the twentieth. Right here, we can see everything.

1:19:57 Speaker 3: That is up. I had a nice little collage is made. I'll show it after this. So right here you've got uh so the st O S is the start time on station. E t O S is in time on station.

1:20:12 Speaker 4: So basically this is the time that they're operating in and that's seven thirty to eleven thirty. And then if you look, that's a KC ten KC ten right here, k C one thirty five. These are like big like tanker type aircraft, think like a C one thirty, which C one thirties are also involved in this.

1:20:31 Speaker 3: Uh.

1:20:31 Speaker 4: Then you've got an A V eight B, which is like a what is that? I forgot what that is?

1:20:40 Speaker 4: This right here in r Q twenty one A is like a drone. It's a it's like a hand deployed or maybe a ground launch. It's it's like a small drone system, a small UAS unmanned aerial system. Uh. That's supplayed from the group by like you know, platoon size units, and I think the two of them that were operating and you see right there AREC that's area reconnaissance. But that was already never mind, I'm sorry, that was already all station at sixteen hundred, uh as was the okay, so that yeah, So the A V eighty eight, I forgot what that is.

1:21:16 Speaker 4: The E three, I mean, this is an E three is like a doomsday plane. It's like an airborne commanding control center that.

1:21:22 Speaker 3: Was operational in this time. That's kind of it is absolutely a dude, do it's absolutely is No, it's not. No, it's not would you get out of my briefing? All right?

1:21:35 Speaker 4: Gosh, Arthur, you like a penalty flag or something, you know. And then casey one thirty doing yeah, so doing the fueling right there around this time. And then I mean, I'm payful for you, all right, but don't worry. It'll all be over soon, all right. All right, So here we go. We've got here's the OP four. It's the twenty four. That's a HIND that was operating during this time period. Actually, take that back. It was not all station in nineteen hundred, am, I gotta get with it, okay, So all of these were operating during this time, and they were launching.

1:22:13 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, it looks like all of them, well right.

1:22:17 Speaker 3: Here, all of them out to hear. So we've got an F We've got four F twenty two s, two F fifteen's, two F sixteens, four S sixteen's, another four S sixteen's, three EA eighteen g's, and four F thirty fives that were all launching within an hour of the flares being seen. And they were doing OCA, which is offensive counter air. And then if you look down, here is defensive counter air DCA. So DCA was launching after this, but they were obviously getting you know, prepared to you know, do simulated dog fights, simulated air to air operations.

1:22:55 Speaker 4: And then we go down there's some more. Now we get into the helicopters. That was the sixteenth, So just count how many. I mean, look at that we had. I mean, look at all these, I mean we had what is this at least you know, over twenty over twenty different aircraft that were on station over twenty nine palms during that time. So you're tell me that they didn't notice anything. Come on, now, and then helicopters that were on station around that time. Here we go, no, nineteenth twentieth right here, twentieth April got an H one z which gosh, I had these all like I had a collage.

1:23:42 Speaker 4: Hold on, let me get a collage. Can I'll commentate real quick while I get this set up.

1:23:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Nick says that the official narrative is looking strong on this one. A whack a whack, he repeats, But but I just bringing up comments. Uh so, what I will say is that this document that you're showing constant is constituting a massive response, right, is it? Okay? And and just hear me right right, what you're describing is is exactly what the Marines said they saw, but

1:24:44 Speaker 1: in a different context, this being training them saying it was a response to the lights. Again, I just can't see a situation where they would have known about something diselaborate, especially when you were gonna have choppers and jets flying around at low altitudes. No, I don't. I wasn't in the military.

1:25:18 Speaker 2: I wasn't.

1:25:19 Speaker 1: I wasn't in the military. I just I I find it.

1:25:25 Speaker 4: Take okay, So, and E three is an a wha my bad? Uh yeah, it's uh that's an a whac. I don't know why I guess the E three be.

1:25:36 Speaker 3: I don't know.

1:25:37 Speaker 4: All right, it doesn't matter, it's irrelevant, you know, I'll give you that one Arthur, and then down here is like the OP four, you know, like the Red team is what they call it. You know, that's like contractor companies that are flying in opposition. Right here you got like the F one uh, the Arrow L one five nine.

1:25:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, these are all opposition.

1:25:55 Speaker 4: You got the hind Do an opposition, and then you've got the k C ten, k Casey one thirty five. These are all air to air refueling aircraft. You had a harrier that, okay, so that's what the A V eight B was. It was a harrier.

1:26:11 Speaker 3: You got an r Q okay, so this is the unmanned aerial system.

1:26:15 Speaker 4: It's the Blackjack r Q twenty one. And then the Century of course, the F thirty five eight okay, so that's a EA eighteen. G Growler never really heard of that before.

1:26:27 Speaker 3: Then you had the F sixteen excuse me, F twenty two, and then the OP four, and then over here you had these.

1:26:36 Speaker 4: These were all the helicopters that were operating that. I'm about to go over the numbers. You had of course, the little birds these are like AIGHT six's. Then they have like the M eight six. These are like think black Hawk. Down you know that type of helicopter.

1:26:47 Speaker 3: Uh.

1:26:47 Speaker 4: And then yeah, so the viper it looks like a cobra to me, Venom looks like a kick ass Huie. Okay, yeah, so that is a Huey basically. And then the osprey, which is going to be one that deployed and I'll prove that in a minute.

1:27:03 Speaker 3: Okay, so.

1:27:06 Speaker 1: Oh come on, But again I want to just say so this is a massive from your perspective, This is a massive training exercise from the documents that you're going from, as big as any of the other days.

1:27:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean look at the day before. Okay, so this was the nineteenth. These were all the helicopters that were airborne on the nineteenth for training. Now look at the twentieth. Look at that three times as many, three times.

1:27:44 Speaker 3: As I mean more than right.

1:27:47 Speaker 1: Now.

1:27:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is massive in.

1:27:50 Speaker 1: And and I only bring this up to play Devil's advocate, but we know that the government isn't exactly forthcoming. And I'm not trying to be that guy, but is it is it a stretch or or a crazy idea that the same government that caught you know, signed off on things like MK Ultra Project Star Game to say that they would it basically change the context of what happened into a training scenario to allow this case to go in and out of the news cycle and have no credibility anything. Man, Like, I know, I just wanted to ask just too, but like you.

1:29:01 Speaker 3: Gotta put my foot down sometimes this is like it means it's like, I mean, I understand things possible.

1:29:06 Speaker 4: Sure, anything's possible, but like, I mean, how am I supposed to argue against that?

1:29:10 Speaker 2: You know, like no, come on, you know it's like, well, I can provide evidence.

1:29:17 Speaker 3: Would you just let me stick the knife in and just get this over with? You know, it's like I know, like come on, just let me just me I promise it. It will be over soon. Arthur, all right, But anything's possible.

1:29:29 Speaker 1: But like okay, I mean, like now that we get that out of the way, Yeah, now that we got that out of the way, proceed.

1:29:39 Speaker 4: What do you like, how like how would you like, how would we go about this then? Like, how would we prove that that was the case? Without we couldn't even begin to prove that that was the case.

1:29:49 Speaker 2: I can do that. That's part of my presentation.

1:29:54 Speaker 6: Hm.

1:29:55 Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to disrupt anything that he still has to say or anything he still wants to present from document.

1:30:07 Speaker 3: I just got caught up in the moment, like.

1:30:09 Speaker 1: I think it's okay, but I think it's okay. I think it's okay that you, being a military person, that you are more inclined to side, not side, but to

1:30:29 Speaker 1: have faith that patriotism, that nationalism. Okay.

1:30:36 Speaker 4: Interesting, I mean I got lied too, Like I got lied to, Okay, Like I joined in two thousand and seven, right before the surge, Like I was, I thought I was going over there to fight for puppy dogs and freedom right to buy you know, oles and clearance rackt shirts and like you know, apple pie, and like I thought I was going over there to like fight for freedom, and I was there was no freedom.

1:30:58 Speaker 3: That we were over there doing like ruining.

1:31:01 Speaker 4: We we were, like I participated in like some it's just not good, man, It's like it's just not good. Like what we did over there as a country. We destroyed a country, We destroyed generations, we killed, we killed over a million Iraqis. I mean not directly, but like we if it wasn't for us, like so much pain has been caused by like our imperialism, so like if you don't like I am, I am very well aware of like what I participated in. But that's why, like you won't hear me, you know say that, Like I believe in you know, like us in our foreign policy.

1:31:39 Speaker 4: But I'll back up a veteran any day, you know, because we're we're it's really easy to get caught up, you know, like I mean, we had the flag waving like parents, you know, I mean everybody back then, you know, was thinking that we were doing the right thing by going over to Afghanistan.

1:31:54 Speaker 3: Like I thought that.

1:31:55 Speaker 4: I was literally like Luke Skywalker and you know now I think I mean I was a storm trooper.

1:32:01 Speaker 3: You know, but right, what can I do?

1:32:04 Speaker 4: You know, it's like what, yeah, so I absolutely do not trust our government apps. I mean, you got Operation Northwoods, You've got.

1:32:10 Speaker 3: Uh you know w M these. I mean, I don't know Cheney is still walking around a free man Bush. You know he should be in jail too, rum sell all of them. You know, I think we should.

1:32:20 Speaker 4: I think half of our government should be locked up, you know, getting freaking waterboarded in Guantanamo by Alexando.

1:32:25 Speaker 3: Or you know, just all you know, remote viewed.

1:32:30 Speaker 4: I guess like, can you remote view waterboards somebody? I don't know how that would work, but I'm sure Elexando. Maybe it's in the book.

1:32:37 Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I'm just saying, man, you know got that power.

1:32:44 Speaker 4: You know, it's what I've heard. No, I mean, I'm not down for I've heard it. Arthur is so he's got a tattoo, says lou Crew.

1:32:52 Speaker 7: You know.

1:33:00 Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh I listened Louel shout out to him. Man, uh yeah, do.

1:33:07 Speaker 3: I respect you?

1:33:11 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that's that's where I'm at. What oh Z and us? So let's go back to uh some of the some of the points that aren't there one to make that? So you wanted to tell us about some of your research and how you think that this could be?

1:33:38 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, like did you do you want to finish?

1:33:43 Speaker 1: All right?

1:33:44 Speaker 7: All right?

1:33:44 Speaker 3: Finished?

1:33:44 Speaker 19: Yeah?

1:33:46 Speaker 1: Sorry?

1:33:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was just getting to the good part.

1:33:50 Speaker 1: Okay.

1:33:51 Speaker 4: Uh, here's all the helicopters that were operating that night, and then if you look all right, so I mean, everybody's all all this, So let's go on and okay, so here we go. So here's twentieth April. Here's all the helicopters so h one z we already went over that eight six to h one z's.

1:34:12 Speaker 3: I don't think they were operational, okay, yeah, so they were.

1:34:15 Speaker 4: So zeros are sixteen hundred zero one, so we had three four or five nine that were operational, then ten eleven and then.

1:34:28 Speaker 3: Fifteen, so that's already fifteen helicopters.

1:34:30 Speaker 4: And look what, so we got two point seventy five inch ira illumines. Those aren't well, I mean, those are some type of illumination. I assume chaff or you know, some type of countermeasure flares, but keep going down. So sixteen seventeen eighteen, and then we got nineteen and eight LOU nine excuse me, eight lou nineteen, there's twenty four LU two's there was an ospray that was operating from zeros Or from sixteen hundred four.

1:35:02 Speaker 3: Pm to one am.

1:35:03 Speaker 4: And uh yeah, so fifteen, sixteen, eighteen nineteen and then zero six. So twenty twenty one, twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, and twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, and then twenty nine, thirty thirty one, thirty two, thirty three, thirty four, thirty five, thirty six. Uh so thirty six helicopters were operating in twenty nine Palms between between four pm and one am. And I'm going to show you where this these eight Lou nineteen flares are in the expenditure.

1:35:38 Speaker 3: They were you know, they were used.

1:35:40 Speaker 4: The thing is like when you go out to a range when you're training in the military, you don't leave flares like you don't leave excuse me, flares. You don't come back from the range with any rounds like then you have to account for them. You have to do paperwork like the officers don't want it. You have to sit around and wait for all the like. It's just a pain in the ass for everybody. You expend all rounds when you go to a range typically, typically that's my experience. I don't know if it's different for an aviation, but I it doesn't matter because I can show you were these eight Lou nineteen flares we were expended that night.

1:36:12 Speaker 3: And that's gonna be the last thing that I'll get.

1:36:14 Speaker 4: So okay, So what we say at thirty six right something helicopters, and then we got the KC one thirty J and then we've got another two a V eight bs, so another two harriers that I didn't account for, and then uh oh, here's some FA eighteens I didn't account for either more CAC one thirty js operating. I mean, this is this is ridiculous. This is like oh and four more F thirty five bs that I didn't account for. Like, I mean, you know, it's everybody, but I mean it's everything, but the kitchen sync that they had up like over twenty nine palms, you know, training right now, you know, it's so, I mean it I just don't know.

1:36:51 Speaker 1: Okay. So this was tough for the Marines saying or being able to say that there is a massive response that that that's that's right. I know, I know, you're you're, you're you're reading into it, saying that this is what gave them the grounds to say that in their witness testimony because there was an actual drill and training happening. That's what allowed them to say there were jets, there were helicopters. Is that what you're saying, I know, you don't want to bash them. You're not going to bat you listen, You're you're not going to say they're ying, But do you think that they were uninformed of what was happening.

1:37:52 Speaker 1: They saw a training exercise happened and didn't know what it was and simply reported it that way.

1:38:02 Speaker 3: I have no idea. I mean, I don't know.

1:38:05 Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, all right, I mean all right, I just don't know.

1:38:11 Speaker 4: Like I wish that we would have got one of them, Like I tried sending them a couple of the accounts on Reddit, and you know, I got one fake guy that you know that replied to me that got my hopes up, turned out just be a troll.

1:38:22 Speaker 1: But well, maybe this will, maybe this will bring some of them out of the water works, especially with Jeremy retweeting it and sending his wishes out, and maybe we can all get to talk to some of the to the actual witnesses entice, Yeah, some of their stories, because I think that's goals some that together. Because at the end of the day, I don't think that Arthur would be if if the proof is right there in front of him, I don't think Arthur would uh uh. I don't think he would say continue to say it was a UAP.

1:39:05 Speaker 1: Just like if you were shown undeniable evidence, I don't think you would say that it was a training exercise. I think you are both steadfast in your views of what happened that night, and that is very much healthy. This is what we need in the community, is more people willing to have this conversation when you don't agree. I like this. Somewhere along the lines, the story has been distorted, some is or misleading. Whether they're knowingly doing that or unknowingly doing that, someone is doing it now, I don't know who.

1:40:00 Speaker 2: There, Susan goes the one is.

1:40:01 Speaker 1: Lying, Grider, what would you say to that.

1:40:06 Speaker 3: Let's blame things on Susan Go. Yeah, there we go.

1:40:09 Speaker 1: Well the UFO community doesn't her Yeah, well she is.

1:40:14 Speaker 3: Again, let's just blame it on. Then.

1:40:17 Speaker 1: We do have to remember that they are just spokesper spokespeople for the d O D. But they do, like I said, they're the ones that make the phone calls. They're the ones who represent they are the face of these organizations. So, Grider, they do have to be held to a certain accountability. You understand that, just like you for for for what they put out, for what, for what they stand behind. Yeah, so if Susan Go comes out and says this is a training exercise, she better damn well knows the training exercise.

1:40:58 Speaker 1: And I don't think she can do that in under twenty four hours, or I don't know if she could. I can't say. Again, I'm supposed to be the neutral one. I don't understand how she does that in twenty four hours. But again, you've been on the inside. You both been on the inside of government. I just from my experience, doesn't work that quickly, especially to people like John Greenwald of the Black Vault, who have knowingly and and and overtly been at odds with the government over the Foyer requests. John's done a great job.

1:41:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, a huge shout out, huge shout out.

1:41:50 Speaker 3: John, me up in the DMS, man, I love you all right, Yeah, I can't.

1:41:55 Speaker 1: I connect you with them.

1:41:57 Speaker 3: But yeah, would job? So Yeah, get down smiling over there. Finally, why do you think he was so That makes me even more enticing to be a friend.

1:42:12 Speaker 1: So why why do you think they're they were so quick to dismiss this case When the phoenix lights that almost the same exact scenario unfolds, not almost not the same exact, but a very similar scenario unfolds. The government and the narrative that is put out to the people via press conference Governor Fight Simonton and his aide come out. They make a mockery of the situation. They say it was training, it was flares. They've tried to demonstreet to the public of Phoenix that it was flares by trying to re create the Phoenix lights, which they did one or two times and both times were unsuccessful.

1:43:09 Speaker 3: What there's so many.

1:43:10 Speaker 4: Similar thirty years ago though, I mean, it was thirty years ago, Like I we're never gonna find the truth out, so like I don't even like I've I've thought so agreed Phoenix lights and like I said, like I said, I've seen so Hey, I've seen some photos where it looked like what I saw fly over my head in basic, you know. And then I've seen some photos where look like flares. I've seen some photos where I didn't know what it looked like, a long line of like lights of like orbs.

1:43:38 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know who knows.

1:43:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Tony, I wasn't gonna like, you know, I mean, it seemed like overkill at this point.

1:43:45 Speaker 1: Did did?

1:43:46 Speaker 2: Is this true and widely reported? But it's not true. Tony Jeremy did not come out later and admit they were flares. That's a total.

1:44:00 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, why would he be?

1:44:03 Speaker 4: I'm gonna call Tony's defense, although I would love nothing more than to come to the offense, you know, for Tony. Uh No, seriously, you know, I know he's not very nice to me. Okay, so let me uh yeah, I'll screen share. Hold on, give me, let me pull.

1:44:17 Speaker 3: Up the the article and you can make your own interpretation.

1:44:20 Speaker 4: Arth and I we have a disagreement about the English language I've found, but he's more educated than me, so like, I don't know, it's probably me hod on.

1:44:31 Speaker 1: I like a man who could admit it.

1:44:38 Speaker 2: And I think since Jeremy retweeted us, I don't know if this whole thing of him thinking it was total.

1:44:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would make sense, especially when.

1:44:50 Speaker 4: Thes like what's wrong with people like there's nothing wrong with like us doing what we've done tonight, you know, no, no, no, absolutely not working a case is working in a case?

1:45:00 Speaker 3: You know?

1:45:01 Speaker 1: Absolutely?

1:45:05 Speaker 6: Yeah?

1:45:05 Speaker 3: There we go? Is that my screen? Okay?

1:45:07 Speaker 4: Heck all right, yeah, so here we go. It's uh, the Liberation Times don't really know what I mean, I don't know, and it's accoting the black following down here and then here we go.

1:45:23 Speaker 3: I know, I'm sorry, I'm always in a hurry.

1:45:26 Speaker 1: All kay, when you read it out loud, just briefly.

1:45:33 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. I am very happy that Okay, here we go, here's the preface.

1:45:40 Speaker 7: All right.

1:45:41 Speaker 3: Jeremy Corbell, UH, who has been seeking explanations and gathering additional testimonies since initially publishing footage and testimonies from the Marines that night, welcome the new evidence. He believes it may provide some answers to the Marines, who were not giving any explanation by senior personnel at the time. Corbell told The Liberation Times quote, I am very happy that new information has emerged which may help provide answers that the eyewitnesses have been searching for. Similar to any unsolved investigation, be it concerning UAP or otherwise, it is an ongoing process wherein one can anticipate the unveiling of new information leading us closer to comprehensive answers.

1:46:20 Speaker 3: That is precisely while we made the decision to share this case with the public and actively pursue additional information to crack it wide open. At first glance, the lights did appear to show a craft, but the newfound information appears highly compelling, pointing towards Flar's as the most plausible explanation. However, just like the US government's own investigation into UAPs, it is imperative for us to meticulously scrutinize the evidence and arrive at a definitive conclusion before relegating UAP to a non UAP status.

1:46:49 Speaker 3: We are now duty bound to undertake our own verification of the process of the presented data, ensuring rigorous validation before categorizing this as a solve case. Our honorable service members deserve nothing less. I don't know. You tell me, you tell me what that sounds like.

1:47:06 Speaker 2: Okay, he says it's not solved. He said he has. If it hasn't been solved, then it's still an open case, and he's asking us for to do additional research on it.

1:47:17 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I I I think that quote was taken very very very liberally. Uh, And I don't know. I'm not no further, I yeah, I just that to me didn't sound like he was saying case solved. It was Flairs. He's just saying that there's he's glad that that you know, people are doing more acting on it, asking for more information, getting more information to try to piece this all together. Other that's what I got from it, Not that well. Flares seems to be u Okham's razor boom done. That's not I mean, that's whatever.

1:48:14 Speaker 1: We can move on.

1:48:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do not think that quote unquote admitted that it was flares, which is what a lot of people in this community are saying. Danny Corpell admit that these were flares.

1:48:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got that comment a million times today. So what is this?

1:48:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't know.

1:48:36 Speaker 4: So this is just like the representation of what granted, what I saw in Basic was a little.

1:48:40 Speaker 3: Bit bigger, but oh cool. Yeah, it's just.

1:48:42 Speaker 4: Something to kind of like, I don't know, because I've been you know, I feel like I've been debunking like the entire time, just like add some balance or something.

1:48:50 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's banned throat balance.

1:48:52 Speaker 3: I don't like this. I don't like band.

1:48:54 Speaker 4: Oh no, Like I don't want to retell it, you know, like I don't want to retell it because it you know, it takes like thirty minutes.

1:48:59 Speaker 5: But I don't know.

1:49:06 Speaker 3: So you're basic time.

1:49:09 Speaker 1: My favorite sighting is my own.

1:49:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Okay, can you tell yours and then I'll and then I'll tell mine. Just I'm dying to finish my tacos, finish my dinner real quick.

1:49:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, like you have time to tell yours.

1:49:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have time. It better. You should have ate your tacos pre show, you know.

1:49:29 Speaker 3: Just so well. I mean I was almost choking, you know when Arthur was finishing.

1:49:32 Speaker 2: You know, you know, I do have some more stuff to.

1:49:38 Speaker 1: Almost twenty seven hundred people that want to hear what you have to say.

1:49:43 Speaker 4: I think it's, uh, that's like views, So it's not like I don't think there's twenty seven hundred at the same time.

1:49:49 Speaker 1: No, it's live stream. Gives me an accurate acount of how many people are watching at one moment.

1:49:55 Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's crazy. Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean.

1:50:00 Speaker 1: I sent you guys to picture. No, okay, I'll tell you what happened to me. So I was in my front yard and I had stayed home from school that day, and we had a very like, very very steep roof, and when you threw a tennis ball up it, it would roll back down and it would bounce off the gutter. It sometimes it'd go in the gutter if you were really like you know, if you it would happen every once in a while. But I was in this. I was doing this because no one else was home from school. And I was about eleven or twelve at the time, maybe maybe eleven or twelve, so I was waiting for the other kids to get home from school.

1:50:49 Speaker 1: I'm thirty. This is twenty some odd years ago. I'm thirty one, so no internet, you know, I'm home when the lights come on kind of deal. And I'm waiting for the bus to come so I can, you know, meet up with the friends.

1:51:06 Speaker 7: Uh.

1:51:07 Speaker 1: But I'm sitting out there and I'm playing alone, and I'm throwing the ball. Throwing the ball. It pops off the gutter a couple times and a mid throw, so I'm looking directly up right, and I released a ball in a craft circular craft with three protrusions that were circular that if you were to draw a triangle, a line to each of them would make a triangle. Typical gun metal, gray, flying saucer oscillating moving at a slow paced tree top level. I saw. I mean, if there were rivets on this thing, I would have been able to see the serial number.

1:51:51 Speaker 1: But there were no rivets. This thing was just it looked like it was three D printed, not to quote Bob Bazaar, but it was oscillating, and it moved right over my right over my house. I chased it out back. By the time I got out back, it was gone. That led I went to the line. So here's the funny thing. I remember everything, but I don't remember the next twenty four hours. But I do remember. My next memory is me desperately, desperately yelling and screaming. Not yelling and screaming, but begging and

1:52:37 Speaker 1: begging to go to the library to and that's where I came across communion some other books. One of the books I believe it was, I don't remember what book it was. Damn near showed the craft I saw. And it was that day I found out the world wasn't black and white. There's so much more gray. And I think that's what we have to take out of today's conversation is no matter what, no matter what, we are taught Arthur and Grider from a very young age that the world is black and white. What I can feel and touch, that's real.

1:53:28 Speaker 1: Right, This same community is willing to believe in God's demons, angels, right, all these kinds of things. But UFOs aren't real, right, cryptids aren't real right. All that subject matters taboo and if you even talk about it, you're crazy, right. It just I don't know, didn't sit well for me. So I was always that kid in school growing up who had just questioned my history teachers, questioned my science teachers. Was I loved No.

1:54:08 Speaker 1: I later had another experience when my mother passed away and I was in the room with her when she passed away, and essentially I saw her from what I think, leave the room. She was a live one moment and I was talking to her. My cell phone rang. It was in my pocket. It started vibrating. I looked down, made that split second decision, don't even fucking look at this thing, don't pull it out of your pocket. But in that split second that I looked down and looked up, something crossed my field of vision, perfect orb and it was like it was distorting light around it, and it looked like if you look down along a high highway that like heat wave.

1:54:55 Speaker 1: It was like dispersion blur, but it was an orb and it went out the window. I looked back my mother was gone.

1:55:03 Speaker 4: Dude, that's so very similar to a friend of mine in the community that had that exact same experience when his mom passed away, like almost exact like dude's.

1:55:11 Speaker 3: There's got to be something there, right.

1:55:13 Speaker 1: Right, So this is my notion, is that I mean, I know, I know what you're defending here. I understand where you're coming from, what your background is and where not, maybe what your motivations are. But I understand you, and I understand Arthur.

1:55:40 Speaker 3: Okay, I thought you're about to accuse me of being a fed.

1:55:44 Speaker 6: On.

1:55:45 Speaker 1: No, and I understand Arthur. I am just saying that we need to be able to have more conversations like this and tow that line that there might be deception and some gray that that we're not privy too.

1:56:06 Speaker 19: So maybe it is a UFO who knows right and and and and all I want to do is walk away tonight and say, even if we agree to disagree, all of us.

1:56:19 Speaker 1: That the community is better when we have these types of discussions. Agreed, it was great, all right?

1:56:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get excited at times. I'm sorry. If I aggravated either.

1:56:38 Speaker 7: Of you, I just died.

1:56:39 Speaker 1: You actually absolutely didn't aggravate me. But but Arthur, I want to give you. I want to give you a couple of minutes for closing because I know you didn't get uh that time, so hit me, close me out. I want to I want to hear this. This is right before we go right, but before we play. Well, we'll end it with Brider's experience what he saw. And but I want to talk to you about how why do you think this is a cover up? What is the evidence to you that suggests that there might be a cover up.

1:57:16 Speaker 2: Well, the first clue there was a cover up that I saw was the day that it happened. We did I did some research on the way Back Machine, and I found out that that video that mcwest was kind of using a lot wasn't showing up on the way Back Machine, so that that was just a kind of a clue I wasn't really proof. That's kind of what you know, rose my antennas up to the possibility this could be a cover up. And then subsequently I've done analysis of the Foyer documents and photos and compared the metadata from the Foya photos to the metadata of the iPhone photos and found inconsistencies that are I think suggestive of fraud, and I've also had various other arguments.

1:58:04 Speaker 2: They're more technical, and I think I would need a separate as separate episodes to go through all of that. But suffice to say, I do have that research posted on my Twitter, so anyone can go and check that out themselves. And I also have my own YouTube channel, so you can check that research out that I put on there too, So it's Truth Coalition. That's my YouTube, so I would encourage people to check out that too.

1:58:31 Speaker 1: All right, And I do right now have both of their Twitter links in the description below, but i'll add the YouTube grad or if you have a YouTube I'll happily put that in there as well.

1:58:46 Speaker 3: I don't have one worth mentioning. Okay, okay, So how I got into the community, all right, So just to give a quick minute and a half, right, So I actually I joined Twitter to advertise because I thought I was going to be like the x bab Bazaar. I thought that I was seeing like UFOs on the ISS live feed.

1:59:04 Speaker 4: So I started watching the ISS live feed, recording it and then watching it like one day a week, watching an entire week's worth of footage, like at sixteen times, just like crazy, like seven monitors, just like scanning for what I thought was UFOs these orbs. What I thought was like, you know these bright, you know, orange orbs that look like class rings almost or like championship belts, and uh yeah, so like I thought that I was seeing them. I thought NASA was giving his disclosure by not editing out the live feed, not censoring it, and YadA, YadA, YadA.

1:59:37 Speaker 4: So I made my own channel. It's like the you know, ISS live feed UAP archive. Now it's called like you know what, Well, I'll give you a link to it, but it's it's pretty funny. So I was doing like music video compilations thinking and it turns out it was just the moon.

1:59:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just the moon that I was seeing. It was definitely the moon.

1:59:55 Speaker 4: So yeah, people probably don't I want to go to but if you want to be my ninth subscriber, I think three of them are probably my own, like you know, like my own Hill accounts. I think probably I'm just joking, but I think, you know, yeah, it's it's.

2:00:12 Speaker 1: Doors, always doors, always welcome on total disclosure for you, buddy.

2:00:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what was cool?

2:00:18 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, But you know what was cool, was like, I actually, uh a Twitter user named alien network.

2:00:24 Speaker 3: He has like, uh, I think it's UFO network.

2:00:27 Speaker 4: He's a cool guy, you know, and uh he's the one who like kind of mentioned He's like, hey, is that Because I was posting videos and I had like two subscribers or like two followers, couldn't get any traction and he was the only one that was giving me any engagement. And he's like, man, is that the moon? And I'm like, no, of course it's not the moon. And then like a couple of days later, I was like, damn, that's probably the moon. And sure enough, don't be afraid of debunking yourself. You know, the sooner that you know you can start being right is the sooner you can stop being wrong.

2:00:56 Speaker 3: That's the way I looked at it.

2:00:58 Speaker 1: But no, you're absolutely right.

2:01:00 Speaker 4: It's painful because I spent probably I spent a lot of that, Like I've watched more is live feed than I care to admit.

2:01:06 Speaker 3: You know, I wish I had that time back, to be honest. But all right, so.

2:01:12 Speaker 1: This is what you saw.

2:01:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's no. This is like an AI you know, photoshop, you know.

2:01:24 Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, okay, wrap image.

2:01:26 Speaker 3: That I made. Yeah, it's like it's.

2:01:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you actually saw a triangular craft.

2:01:34 Speaker 4: So in basic training, I went to basic training in Fort Sill, Oklahoma. The mountains are not there are no mountains, you know, but basically this is what it looks like, just kind of like, you know, kind of flat, kind of rolling hills. And I went in the summer of seven in June and July. You know, it was the end of May and then June and July, and then graduated at the end of July and two thousand and seven.

2:01:58 Speaker 3: It was like extremely rainy.

2:02:00 Speaker 4: I mean it was like flooding, uh the entire time, you know, So we didn't I didn't really have.

2:02:05 Speaker 3: A basic, Like my basic got flooded out.

2:02:07 Speaker 7: Uh.

2:02:08 Speaker 4: So you know our last our last night, you know, we were on our way back from the field after being out there you know for three for like.

2:02:16 Speaker 3: Three weeks, no shower.

2:02:18 Speaker 4: Uh, you know it you know, just dirty, it's can be tired, ready to get on, you know, to our job school which was on Ford sell to at uh the artillery school there. You know, they call it a I T advance something. Hell, I forgot what the name of it is, but I mean I forgot what it stands for. But it's like your advanced training school to where you learn how to be an artilleryman. And so this is our last night at Basic as far as our last night, you know, like out in the field training on our way back in, it's like three am.

2:02:49 Speaker 3: I'm in the back of the column. Uh and uh we're on you know, so those two columns, and then we only had one drill sergeant. Normally Basic training you have more than one drill sergeant, sometimes the three. But we actually had a a guy who was from the reserves, so like he was an Army reserved drill sergeant. And that's how short staff they were.

2:03:09 Speaker 4: It was right around that time when Iraq was kind of getting really bad and the surge was happening.

2:03:13 Speaker 3: They were short staff. So we had, you know, our single drill sergeant, drill sergeant rights and he was at the front of formation kind of how it looks right there and marching back and I'm one of the last people in the formation and I you know, like I see something out of the corner of my eye and I'm you know, I'm just tired.

2:03:33 Speaker 4: I mean I'm daydreaming about whatever, and all of a sudden, like I just I feel like, you know, I feel like maybe there's something, you know, big, and look. I kind of look over and it's like a black triangle massive. It's about the size of like a Major League baseball infield, and it, you know, had the three lights and a single light in the middle. The light may have been orange or but I think it was red. It's like reddish orange. And it just kind of like rotated. It was moving super slow, thirty five feet over my head.

2:04:06 Speaker 4: No sense of air coming off of it, propulsion or anything like that. It just kind of rotated like panned or I've used the term wafted, like it kind of wafted. I don't know, it stayed flat, but it just kind of rotated like over the back of the formation and then just it was gone.

2:04:24 Speaker 3: And it was the weirdest thing.

2:04:26 Speaker 4: I mean, it was really really weird, you know, but it's we were in basic so like when we got back in of course, we didn't say anything.

2:04:35 Speaker 8: Then.

2:04:35 Speaker 4: We didn't have any cameras on this. We were in basic training. And when we got back into the barracks, you know, it was five am. We were showering and going to sleep, and you know, about ten of us saw it. Ten that I'm aware of, you know, actually saw actually noticed it, but the rest of you know, the other one hundred something guys didn't even notice it. And I mean, this thing was it was massive.

2:04:57 Speaker 3: You know, it was the biggest craft that I have ever It's like the the biggest aircraft that I've ever seen outside, you know, that's not like a plane.

2:05:04 Speaker 4: Uh, I mean, it was just oh, I mean, it was freaking huge, and but it was super quiet, no sound. I didn't feel any effects of like any radiation or anything. How people talk about that's something people ask about if any of us have had any type of medical effects from it, not that I know of.

2:05:20 Speaker 3: And uh yeah, creepy.

2:05:23 Speaker 4: Like the more that I think back on it, the more creeped out that I get. But at the time, we just, you know, the ten of us you know, kind of said something, you know, like, hey, did you see that?

2:05:31 Speaker 3: Yeah? I saw that, you know, and that was it. And then we just went onto basic.

2:05:35 Speaker 4: I mean, went onto AIT and you know, mentioned it a couple of times, but you know, I never really thought about it, and until uh, you know, I mean I never really thought about it again. After after my AIT until you know, a couple of years ago when it kind of came back into my mind and I was seeing like, yeah, that was that was pretty significant, you know that. Yeah, I think I thought about it again because I saw like a TR three B patent, Like I saw that patent that's passed around the community.

2:06:04 Speaker 4: I wasn't in the community at the time, but I saw it on the Internet and I was like, oh, that's that's what I saw.

2:06:09 Speaker 3: That's exactly what I saw.

2:06:11 Speaker 1: Gen and Stealth Lockheed something like that.

2:06:16 Speaker 3: The thing is is like, there isn't any air force that I know of on Ford Seal, but they do have a massive balloon hangar. That's what it was used for.

2:06:24 Speaker 4: But it's a massive It's one of the biggest buildings that I've ever seen on a military base. And it's like an old I mean, that's what it was used for, was a balloon hanger. And I remember, like you know, when we would be marching in and out from the field, always kind of looking at it and just feeling like wow, like I wonder what's in there, I mean, massive building. I haven't been able to find it on Google Earth. I mean, like I tried looking for it. Maybe they tore it down or something. I could go back and look at the hotel.

2:06:52 Speaker 20: Put ale on it. I mean, the bottom line is that also like I'm not the only one that and like me and my nine friends are not the only ones that have, uh you know that saw it. You know, there's other soldiers that have reported on like the National UFO Reporting Center website, other people that live in Fort Sill and the surrounding city of.

2:07:14 Speaker 3: Lawton, you know, who have seen the Black Triangle.

2:07:19 Speaker 1: Right, I've talked to a lot of people that have that have seen something similar. And you said, it made no noise.

2:07:32 Speaker 4: None, and like the way that it moved. The only video that I've ever seen that made me think of it. It's one that I I'm pretty sure is fake, but it's the one where it's like the Black Triangle video that Tom DeLong was like, Yeah, the one that like went into warp speed or whatever, the way that it wafts, like the way that it kind of rotates there towards the end before it kind of settles and goes into warp speed.

2:07:55 Speaker 3: That's exactly what it looked like.

2:07:57 Speaker 4: But you know, and then of course like it kind of you know how you have seen some t R three B videos where it's like you're kind of looking up at it and it's like the blinding light. That's how it kind of you know, as it passed over me. I just remember that's what it felt like.

2:08:11 Speaker 3: But I don't know.

2:08:13 Speaker 4: I mean, if you were gonna train, like you know, the Mick West inside of me says, well, if if like you were gonna you know, uh, test out a piece of equipment like that or train, you know, have have pilots train on it, wouldn't you use it, you know, on a base that had basic training soldiers, guys that didn't have cameras, no phones, you know, weren't going anywhere for a while.

2:08:34 Speaker 3: Wouldn't you that that would be the environment?

2:08:37 Speaker 7: Right?

2:08:38 Speaker 4: But also there's something that just didn't strike me as like, I don't know, there's something really really creepy about it.

2:08:45 Speaker 21: And let me ask you one thing. Yeah, do you think that our military, whether it's our military, the public military, or some sort of fucking you know, like the late Senator Daniel Innoway talked about, uh shadow government, you know, their military.

2:09:10 Speaker 1: Do you think that they could you know, be that they would conduct tests against our facilities too? Because we are the best of the best, you know, quote unquote that they would they would test to see the reaction of our soldiers, our marine, our Air Force.

2:09:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and like I mean they've done tests like Operation Big Buzzs were like they've gone to a step further. We're like you know that you know the Tuskegee Airman experiments or Operation Big Buzz where they dropped like a million mosquitoes like over San Francisco. Give a shit about us, Like they don't give a shit about us. They don't. They don't care about anybody. They don't care about soldiers. They don't care about the president like they you know, it's like whatever that forces you know, driving you know by the deep state or whatever you want to call it, whatever that you know, that dark forces.

2:10:09 Speaker 4: Man, they it's like it doesn't give a shit about us. It doesn't care about anybody soldiers. Like man never a stay in school. If there's any kids out there, like, don't don't join the military unless unless you really have to, you know, like I'm a tradesman or something.

2:10:26 Speaker 3: I do not recommend military service nowadays.

2:10:29 Speaker 1: You know, it's lowest numbers and I think of all time for enlisting so huge problem there, guys. We are four hours and sixteen minutes in. I want to give the floor to Arthur for a second. Shout out everything you're doing, everything that's coming up. I know that you and I had talked about doing a part you and I think this was really fun. Uh and I think, uh that there's room for more of this type of interaction.

2:11:14 Speaker 3: Let's let's do the Jellyfish guys, because like I had a lot of research on that, Like I've done a lot, and I'm not I'm not I say it's a helicite, but I'm not sure.

2:11:24 Speaker 1: It's an interesting case. I will say that. I will say that, I will say that I even am on the line with that one, you know, and I'm like,

2:11:39 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I just don't know. I don't know, but Grider, thank you, Arthur, plug your plug, your uh what's going on?

2:11:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I got YouTube channel Truth Coalition and I'm on Twitter, and I would just say this case is important because it's a mass sighting and a military installation with active duty witnesses. That makes it a class of its own. And I really encourage the community to take a second look at this case. Maybe we can get some more witnesses to come forward, maybe we can get some more video to come out, and not not to just instantly dismiss it with a low amount of information because of like Mick West or something that you saw.

2:12:26 Speaker 2: And I just want to thank you Tye and I want to thank you Grider. It was a great debate and we kept it, and we kept it. I think we said a good example. So thank you, good much.

2:12:37 Speaker 1: All right, Arthur, your turn. Where can people find you on Twitter? And how can they continue to follow what you're doing on there?

2:12:49 Speaker 2: I think, Grider go, Grider Great?

2:12:53 Speaker 1: What did I say again?

2:12:55 Speaker 4: Yeah? You said, Arthur, Oh yeah you can just you can find me on on Twitter. That's really I mean, that's really all I do. I you know, like I'm just standing for the fun like I uh yeah, I'm just you know, mostly I spend time in like spaces, you know, although I don't know that that's kind of on the down and fall after you know, I had a tumultuous week this past week, but maybe on the rebound, I don't know, but uh, hopefully doing more podcasts, you know, I mean anytime that I can come on, you know, I mean anytime that we have something to talk about.

2:13:27 Speaker 4: I think us three could really do you know some good I mean absolutely yeah, And I thank you so much for having me on. Thank you Arthur for being such a good sport. And you know, you know that it's like it's all out of love, man, like it's all out of respect. We wouldn't be here talking. We would not have done this if it wasn't for you. And you're stubborn this right. There's something to be said about conviction nowadays. You know, people are too wishy washy. You gotta have a you know, to be a person with conviction.

2:13:49 Speaker 4: I mean that that says something.

2:13:50 Speaker 3: Man. I respect you, I really do, and I respect you too, and thank you. Yeah.

2:13:57 Speaker 4: So just uh it's higher Earth orbit and then high Earth orbit and then I think it's an underscore So at high Earth orbit underscore Twitter grider and you know you follow me if you want to.

2:14:09 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, but yeah, follow him, guys, follow him.

2:14:12 Speaker 3: He does.

2:14:14 Speaker 1: He's a great guy. So with that being wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, you're in the front spot. With that being said, uh, this conversation has gone so long at my DAR is out of battery. Some on the webcam.

2:14:35 Speaker 3: Thank you everyone, good man, just say thank you to John Greenwald and everybody else.

2:14:42 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, foya out in the community. I think it's it's And also to Jeremy and George. You know, although I may not agree with a lot of the you know, I may not be the biggest fan of you know, some of the cases, you guys do a great service, you know, I mean, this is highly entertaining. You guys are you know, the best entertainers that we have the community. So yeah, thanks thanks for bringing this case out. You know, no matter what turns out, like, if you guys keep bringing cases like this that we can have conversations.

2:15:09 Speaker 3: About, then that's that's all that matters.

2:15:11 Speaker 7: You know.

2:15:12 Speaker 4: Well you're closer to the truth, you know, either way. So yeah, that's that's all I gotta say. Thanks.

2:15:19 Speaker 1: Love that, Love that man. So I'm gonna take us out of here. Guys, make sure to like, share, subscribe, and if you want to become a member of the channel for as low as a cup of coffee per month, you can get access to all of our podcasts as soon as they're recorded. Don't have to wait, you know, the weeks and weeks and weeks because I do backlow backlog most of my episodes, so I am usually four to six weeks ahead of the current episode. So if you want access to everything that I have early ad free that sign up on YouTube or on audio platforms such as Sprecker, Spotify, and Apple.

2:16:00 Speaker 1: You can also leave a review for the show. It helps us reach a wider, more broader audience. We cracked three thousand tonight, three thousand live viewers. I just want to say thank you for everyone show up, Coral for retweeting the show. That was a huge uh not something I didn't be coming. So honestly, it just feels good to be noticed a little bit by someone like that. So with that being said, the twenty nine palms UFO case, I don't know what do we say? Do we say? I say it's ongoing, and since I'm the only one here, it's ongoing to be determined.

2:16:50 Speaker 1: More on this as it develops, And.

2:16:59 Speaker 3: I think that.

2:17:31 Speaker 2: Step step and

2:17:37 Speaker 7: A h