An Interview With An Alien- EXCLUSIVE (Ft Dale Harder)

0:00 Speaker 1: This is Total Disclosure, hosted by Ty Roberts. Welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name is Ti I am the host of the show Total Disclosure, and today I am going to be attempting something that I never had before. I've been talking with a man who I first came When did I first hear about him? I think I first hurry about him with this So Weird with Patrick, that guy that channel, and yeah, I really sparked my interest and I went out and I was like, I got to talk to this guy. And from there we've kind of We've spoken on the phone many many times at this point, and I have been wanting to do this interview for a while.

0:50 Speaker 1: So tonight we're speaking with a man who claims that he is not who or what he appears to be. A man who claims he carries an implant placed in his body by non human intelligence. A man who insists that he is an extraterrestrial soul incarnated on Earth with a mission. His name is Dale Harder. And what you're about to hear me challenge some of the things that you've known or been taught about human origins, ancient civilizations, and the presence of non human intelligence living among us today. We're not here to do any got your style interview.

1:28 Speaker 1: This is not me trying to debunk or make fun of. This is a conversation meant to help me understand, meant to help humanity understand. Because if there is even a zero point zero zero zero one percent chance that what he is telling us is true, than the implication's tremendous. So who is Dale Harder? Where does he come from? And what does he know about us? That's what we're about to find out. And I'm excited. So would that being said, let's introduced my friend Dale. How you doing, Hi?

2:05 Speaker 2: Ty? How are you good?

2:06 Speaker 3: Decision?

2:08 Speaker 1: Very good to see you. I think I think we've I've amassed probably ten eleven hours on the phone, and in that time, you know I again, I think the claim you know when I when you first hear it as a person, when someone says I'm not human, that's going to be jarring, right, That's just going to be It's gonna be a little bit uncomfortable at first. But the more I've talked to you, the more I've gone into it and asked questions and and dove deeper, the less and less of a reason I have to think that you were just bullshitting or fabricating the story out of thin air.

2:47 Speaker 1: So I want to start by say asking this, who are you?

2:52 Speaker 2: Who am I? Well, I am what we would call an et Avatar. And the best way that I can explain that for your viewers and other people is that if you've ever seen the movie Avatar and others, that it's very much in that fashion. What we do is we get into a pod and the immersion pod and our bodies and everything we trade places with that, and our essence, our soul is transferred into either a temporary physical body or we are literally born into a human body so that we can stay here and work for long periods of time.

3:38 Speaker 2: So it's almost identical kind of a process that you see in the movie Avatar. And what they're really doing in those movies are giving you the truth of what is truly happening, what is real. So there's a great deal of true information that is being displayed dispatched for people to understand, to read between the lines and all of these crazy movies, and they're going to tell you what you need to know. And most people just go, oh, that's entertainment, and they blow it off. But that's essentially where I'm at.

4:12 Speaker 2: I was a part of a vanguard, early mission in the fifties to come in and to spend essentially a human lifetime here and to to serve and to help humanity during the very difficult time that we're all going through right now. And it's difficult for me as well.

4:36 Speaker 1: I was going to say, you know, it's it's people. People look around and I've never felt this way before, but it's it's the world seems to be on fire and we are. It seems like we're headed down a path that ends not good, like not in a good way, and it worries me.

5:01 Speaker 2: I I.

5:03 Speaker 1: Mean plying to you that there was it's out in the cosmos, and they had any vested interest in the earth, in the life that that was sprouted out of the earth, that they might try and come and intervene and I don't know, change that future if that's possible. So is that what your mission is? Is it to experience and to deliver the information or is it to change the outcome?

5:34 Speaker 2: My purpose was, as I said, is to serve and in service, what we really mean is that we're doing our best and that there's only there's a few of us here at this point. There's been many over the years, but there's a few of us here at this point. We are the ground troop or the ground crew if you will, and the foot soldiers. And what we're here to do is to disseminate the information that is given to us directly when we're in contact with our family and the ship, and so we disseminate that information without change.

6:14 Speaker 2: We get our information live, okay, and we're in contact with the ship and with our personnel at all times. So the point of it is is that I'm not here to lecture. I mean, I've traveled the world lecturing. I've done this my whole life. But it's not that I'm interested in writing a book. No, no CDs, no books. We don't make any money from this whatsoever.

6:43 Speaker 1: Have you never really made it time?

6:44 Speaker 2: No. If I do make any money, I give it back or I give it to charity. I'm not interested in that. I don't want a following. I'm not a cult. The information is free to the best of our ability, and we just want people to listen to that and look at it and make their own choice. Now, if you agree with what I say, or you resonate with what I say, that's wonderful, and if you don't, that's fine too. But we want you to think on your own and when you think that's the important thing, you.

7:16 Speaker 1: Know, right, And that's that's what I first found so interesting about you is when I watched that video. And now forgive me I keep I know his name too, it's Patrick Patrick, thank you.

7:30 Speaker 3: So when I watched.

7:31 Speaker 1: That video, which was really well done, might say, of course, my my my logical brain is screaming, got me right? That's something like something's something's not right. But I think that's like the human preconceived notion and this idea that like, you know, it's not possible because it's not possible, right, It's it's it's bizarre, it's it's uncomfortable to talk about out.

8:01 Speaker 3: But you have.

8:02 Speaker 1: And a lot of people will like that. That The New Age cult like the New Age like space programmed people that are that are star seeds and you know they're they're doing all these lectures and uh documentaries and they're making a ton of money off claiming they are extraterrestrial or in contact with extraterrestrials. There's this huge market for it, yet you've really not ever gone that direction.

8:35 Speaker 1: So that that that spoke to me. The more and more I uh dug into you specifically the fact that you haven't written a book, the fact that you haven't made documentaries uh and tried to show you know, try whatever you know, get the speaking engagement fees that come with everything like that. So what is the message.

8:58 Speaker 2: Well, I have done world congresses, I've been in Barcelona, Spain, I traveled other places in the world. I've been in Lufflin, Nevada, in Las Vegas. I've done a lot of live lectures and things like that. I've done television. I've done coast to coast and you name it. I guess I've probably been on it. That's not the important part. The important part is again, like I said, trying to reach as many people as we possibly can to give the information that we're permitted to give. And we have such a huge, huge variety of information.

9:33 Speaker 2: You know, people ask us every kind of question possible. How do your ship fly? What kind of propulsion? To you is? What the power system does? That and the other thing, and we gladly share it, at least to a great degree. We cannot give you full information to where you can actually go out and build one that kind of thing. And because one it's protection, protection for us and for humanity. And you'll forgive me for this, but like giving a baby a gun, you know. So we don't want to harm anyone with that.

10:08 Speaker 2: But we do want to be as open in our disclosure as possible. So we're happy to share the information, whether it's from ten thousand years in the past or it's in the future possibilities. And so that is our purpose, and the main thing of that is to get people to understand that we have and are influencing humanity in a very subtle way. There is a thing called the Prime Directive that was not made up by Gene Roddenberry or George Lucas or any of those kind of people. They actually were given the information from people like us, from people on the ships and otherwise, and we slowly discern or disseminated disinformation to the populous and the public so that they would get used to working with words that they could wrap their brains around, okay, and to make it as simple as possible.

11:10 Speaker 2: The Prime Directive is one of the things that was given out the federation for example, of planets and federation, Universal Federation, all those different things in the Council of Nine, those were all given out on purpose so that people could could understand those kinds of things.

11:30 Speaker 1: I mean, when did you just Okay, I'm going to start at a linear kind of spot, so it makes sense for me. When in your human life did the memories start to come back or come through? How does that work? So bring me through? So okay, I guess we'll have to ask this too. What planet you could? So you get in the pod wherever you're in the pod, and then are you a baby? Are you in the womb? And then go through birth? Do you take over a body?

12:04 Speaker 2: Like?

12:04 Speaker 1: How does that? When did the memory start to come back?

12:07 Speaker 3: And all of.

12:08 Speaker 2: These things were pre planned and in my case, which is unusual because there are many, many, many star seeds out there, but the mental majority of them actually do not know who they are. They're not fully awake or they haven't quite grasped what they innately know already. In my case, I came in with a full memory, all right, And so when I was trained and did my training and so forth, and it was time for me to transfer into a human physical body. I went through well, actually I remember it quite well because at the very last moment, while I'm on the ship, everybody's getting ready to leave to go to their various positions and what they were going to do.

12:57 Speaker 2: I changed my mind and I said, no, no, no, I don't want to go. I don't want to go, and they're pushing me out the door, essentially saying, but you're trained, you're ready for this, you gotta go, you know. So I came reluctantly. But I was born as a child, as a baby, like everyone else, and I did that so that I could adapt and work with the frequency, the lower frequency of this Earth plane, and this Earth, as we call it, is like a density. It's not a dimension. We're talking about levels of frequency.

13:34 Speaker 2: And everything in the universe is either frequency or energy or light. Okay, so it's all the same stuff. The higher the frequency, the more advanced are the beings in typical So Earth is basically caught in this third density matrix. And yes, we talk about the matrix movies. So I was born into a physical body so I could stay here and work. Now, if my people from the ship, for example, were to just pop off the ship, and come down here. There would be a tremendous process that would have to be gone through if they could stay for any length of time, because they're vibrating at a much higher frequency.

14:15 Speaker 2: They're on a fifth density level and higher, and so they can't eat the food, they can't drink the water right away, that kind of stuff. I had to go through all of that because my mission was to stay, all right. It was essentially a contract for forty years, and I goofed at the time the contract was up. They said, okay, it's time you can come back. And I said, well, you know, I fell in love with the planet, I fell in love with the people. I want to stay and continue to serve. They said, okay, you can do that, no problem.

14:47 Speaker 2: But you're going to get extremely sick and you're going to have a lot of problems, which is caused from frequency dissonance syndrome. That means the frequency of myself is so much higher than the physical body, I'm literally burning the body up from the inside out.

15:05 Speaker 1: Oh my, I didn't even think of that.

15:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, vessel, look at me, you know, And a lot of comments are going on, he can't be an he looks like he found his way to the refrigerator quite well, all that kind of stuff. Lots of comments like that. I will tell you point blank, I eat one meal a day. I don't drink, I don't smoke. I've never done drugs in my entire life. All right, So yeah, no, I mean personally, and I am suffering on a daily basis.

15:34 Speaker 3: We've talked about.

15:35 Speaker 2: Breathing amounts of pain and problems.

15:37 Speaker 1: But you couldn't even go with your wife to it.

15:41 Speaker 2: Nothing that can be done medically. I mean, I've been through it all and there's no help. But anyway, so you don't.

15:47 Speaker 1: Even go with your like you your wife just took a again because we've been talking. Do not say where, please, just for your own sake, but you could, like you didn't go with your your your wife on a trip that was like a month long because you just couldn't. You can't fly and do that. So the evidence to suggest that what you're saying, there's some like your body, I mean, you're telling it like it is.

16:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, my physical form. I can't handle the walking.

16:15 Speaker 1: At this point, which is that's going to be tough on you.

16:18 Speaker 2: It is very very hard because I have been extremely active my life, work, sixteen hour days work for NASA and Honeywell Aerospace, and I also owned two companies of my own. I was gonna say, you know, so I'm constantly on the move and doing and what have you, and it drives me crazy because I can sit still. I look like, oh, I should be able to just stand up and walk away, and Nope, that ain't going to happen.

16:43 Speaker 1: Right Yeah, So anyway, okay, So so at a young young age, you start to remember, we'll.

16:51 Speaker 2: Go back to the beginning. All right. I come into the physical body. I'm born, all right, about three and a half months into it. I was left on a door step. I was adopted by the earthly family that raised me. I had a wonderful childhood and good family and was raised in the South in Tennessee on a very large plantation. But the minute I came into this physical body, I knew everything that I know right now. All right, So here I am laying there as this baby that can't even verbalize, and all these things are going through my head.

17:33 Speaker 2: And eventually, essentially I had to have experiences throughout this lifetime. And when I would have the experience, then I would go, oh, so that's what that meant. Oh, so that's what that meant. And it was a lifetime of rediscovering with all this knowledge rattling around in this bulbup here was all about. And so you know, it's it's been quite a trip, I can tell you.

17:59 Speaker 1: Sounds. So you get adopted, Yeah I didn't. I don't think I've asked you that before. That's interesting. So you get left on a doorstep, and Jesus, that's like a you sound. It sounds like Superman, like the story of an alien coming down, you know. But yeah, of course you know you're not.

18:25 Speaker 2: The I understand. But it wasn't really meant to be that way. But that's the way it turned out. And so okay, I have no regrets about any of it.

18:35 Speaker 1: Well I think I I think I know why, and I'll tell you at the end why I think why I think you are who you are and why I'll tell you at the end. But to keep it linear, so at some point, you know, you're on this uh plantation, right, this thing, and you're you're having a good life, you're growing up, you know all this, all these things about yourself, and then you go in, what did you decide to do with your life like as an actual profession. What did you do, because you have some pretty interesting employers.

19:13 Speaker 2: Well, I was as it started off. You know, by the time I hit the age of five to six, I was really into my stride at that point, and I was certainly different. Everybody knew that I have empathic skills and psychic abilities and different physical attributes and so forth, and a lot of people. And so by the age of five and six, at six years old, I built my first laser, and I've done that my entire life. Building lasers is one of my companies. And so I won science fairs and things like that, and Tesla was always one of my favorite people, favorite scientists, and so I built huge Tesla coils.

19:56 Speaker 2: I had eight foot tall Tesla coils, and my parents I had a coole laboratory. I was building liquid fuel and solid fuel rockets. I'm doing all these crazy ass things from this early age on and so and then of course I was repairing all the neighborhoods appliances and other televisions. They're a dishmasher and they're dryer and whatever, you know, those kinds of things. So, yeah, everybody knew that I was a little different. But the kids were scared the death of me. Any children really absolutely terrified of me because I knew what they were thinking, I knew what they were feeling.

20:33 Speaker 2: And I had to be taught how to deal with those kinds of things, you know, because for me, it was like listening to a thousand radio stations at one time. You know. I couldn't I couldn't handle all the emotions, yeah, all the stuff coming in. It was something I had to learn to control. And so, you know, but the children would get really freaked out if I'd say I knew something or I told them something and they hadn't even opened their mouths and it, you know, so it kind of scared them. So I tended to be a loaner for the majority of my life.

21:06 Speaker 1: I was going to say, so, you're building lasers, you're doing things that you're doing things that kids just don't do, not not back then that now a different story, right, but back then, for you to have such an innate ability technologically, it's unique. When are you seeing any craft? Are you are you going to bed and noticing anything's off?

21:34 Speaker 3: When when.

21:37 Speaker 1: Like, is there anything from your childhood do you remember where like someone came to visit.

21:41 Speaker 2: Perhaps I've seen craft majority of my life. I have specific events where I was, again at that ripe little age of five to six. I had one incident that I can recall. I was out in the backyard and I was cutting the grass, and that was one of the things that children did, cut the grass, washing dishes, take out the trash. We got a little allowance for that, maybe we got mid fifty cents a week or whatever a quarter, because you got to remember, back in the fifties, money was worth something. It's not like today.

22:15 Speaker 2: So that was their way, our parents' way of teaching us the value of money and how to survive and do things. So if you can recall the old push mowers that had the rotary blades, no motors or anything on them. I used to go out in the backyard and I'm pushing these kind of mowers and cutting the grass. And one day I was out there and it was a pleasant day, and it's a blue sky with some little puffy clouds here and there, and all of a sudden, I had this feeling to look up and there were three craft, three saucer shaped craft, sitting in the points of an equilateral triangle above my head, and as I would move along, they would move along with me, you know all.

22:55 Speaker 2: And I said, oh, that's cool. But it didn't freak me out. It didn't bother me any I fully understand. And so I would have things like that happen all the time. It was not unusual for me to tell my father or mother, I wake up, I said, I'm going to go out and build an airplane today, or I'm going to go out and dig a pond so that I can go fishing, or I'm going to go out and pan gold or whatever it was. And I would do those things, okay. And I didn't hand dig a pond big enough to fish in. And the gold panting and everything.

23:27 Speaker 2: I used to paint rocks like gold color, throw them in the stream in the backyard, and then I'd go and pan for them, you know that kind of craziness. So uh, and building an airplane. I did build a big wooden one. Of course it wouldn't fly, but it had ten thousand pounds of nails in it. So yeah, I was always doing some crazy something or other and freaking out the neighbors or something, you know, not to the point of being crazy, but to the point of you know, just my god, what does this kid up do? Now?

23:58 Speaker 1: You know, nailed kid down the street reads one that's interesting?

24:04 Speaker 4: Well last yeah, gotcha?

24:23 Speaker 2: Uh got me back? My tab crashed, all.

24:26 Speaker 1: Right, run it back. So yeah, so you're an odd kid, that's okay. And and that's it's that I would expect. I do almost expect that to be the case a lot of people. So okay, then when do you you're you're you're clearly a talented individual. And is that what sends you down the route of working for you know, Honeywell and and other that have government contracts?

24:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, did they know? I guess they had an idea that I was different, but they just considered me maybe a gifted child or whatever. And so I was afforded various opportunities. One of our next door neighbors when I was a child growing up, and we finally had come up into the Cleveland, or area, and he worked for NASA, and he used to bring me all the papers and all the patches for the missions and all the different things they used to know. It was. It was great, you know, And every once in a while I get to go and visit NASA, and so that really helped to put me on the track of wanting to work at NASA and be part of that.

25:41 Speaker 2: And you know, so I had various opportunities that came along, and so my entire life has been one of science and understanding.

25:51 Speaker 1: Right, so that your path was kind of set into that that that realm did you go to college?

25:59 Speaker 2: And ill knowing who I was was at the same time, And yes, I did go to college. I've done gone through more schooling than most people would ever dream about.

26:09 Speaker 1: How many people now knew? How many people did you feel comfortable telling how many people before before, say, you make your first major appearance on fucking coast to coast or whatever whatever whatever it was that you did. How many people did you did you tell who you really were?

26:29 Speaker 2: I told my parents when I was five years old?

26:32 Speaker 1: What'd they say?

26:34 Speaker 2: I said, you know, I'm not from hearing this and that, and they would just pat me on the head and okay, Dale, you go and play. That's that's nice, you know, that kind of thing, because they didn't really know how to deal with it. And I remember full well telling them exactly how our ships traveled and how our frequency drives worked and all that kind of stuff. And how we would go from one star to another, and I would be spouting this kind of junk to them, you know, kind of like young Sheldon, the Young Sheldon, that kind of thing, and they would just all look at me like, Okay, you just go play enjoy yourself.

27:10 Speaker 2: You know. They didn't.

27:11 Speaker 1: They didn't find it odd that you just showed up on their doorstep.

27:15 Speaker 2: And then actually I was put on a Catholic charity store step and then my parents came and adopted me from there.

27:24 Speaker 1: See, if only I think, if only people had an open mind, right and looked at your how you got there, right, Like, I mean, of course, I think they probably just assumed that your mother just dropped you there, right, because that was something that they did. But I mean that's all. If I was a non human intelligence, that's also an easy way to get people inserted, right, right, absolutely, So that would be my back door in.

27:52 Speaker 2: Is just I don't fully know who my parents were biologically. Records as far as anything of like birth certificates and all that stuff had been sealed since I was born. I've been not been able to get them either through the state or through uh some personal government officials that everyone would know if I mentioned who they were and they were unable to get the records and stuff as well. So yeah, there's been a little mystery there. But you have like a social I'm sorry.

28:26 Speaker 1: You have a Social Security number? Right?

28:28 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, but you don't have a I have a birth date and everything, but we don't know if it's accurate.

28:34 Speaker 1: That's fucking weird.

28:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, my birth certificate is one of those old black and whites. It's actually all black with white lettering. It looks like a sheepskin, you know. Weird, kind of funny. But uh, never paid any attention to that kind of stuff.

28:51 Speaker 1: Did you ever tell any of the kids, like, hey, we're not alone, like we're not alone in the universure?

28:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they they would just laugh and blow it off, or you know, you're weird, or nobody wants to play with you. You're you're strange, you know. So like I said, yeah, yeah, sure, I knew what they were feeling. And I sometimes it hurt a lot, and but I got used to it, you know. So I'm comfortable in my own skin and I don't have any trouble being alone. In fact, most of my working life I work alone, except for professionally with NASA and Honeywell, but my own businesses that I have worked alone doesn't bother me at all.

29:36 Speaker 1: Right, right now, I want to start obviously, I just want to talk about your childhood, because I think that's I mean, I wanted I just wanted to know. So who was the first person that took you serious when you said I am not I am not of this earth?

29:56 Speaker 2: Gosh, I don't know if there were any when I was a child.

29:59 Speaker 1: No, we I mean now we're just out there like, you're working for NASA, you're working for Honeywell, you're owning your own businesses. When did when When was the first time you told someone, hey, I'm not from here? They were like, oh really?

30:16 Speaker 2: You know, I spent It was not unusual for me to have encounters, not unusual for me to sit and lay on the hillside and look at the Pleiades and go home home, home. You know, I always knew.

30:31 Speaker 1: So that's where you're from, is a Pliades.

30:33 Speaker 2: I'm from the Pliades, yes, called Era and that they getting sun?

30:40 Speaker 1: And what's it like there?

30:43 Speaker 2: Not that much different than here? Really a much higher frequency of course, and there's a lot more stars and the Pleiades than people know about. There's over three thousand in that cluster alone, but you know, you're talking about four hundred and forty point one light years away. So humanity's perception of things at this point in time is seriously dull. They don't have enough information to really know what's happening out there or even here for that matter, which is why one of the reasons why we're here to try and help better to understand that.

31:20 Speaker 2: You see, we're Humanity is related to us. Our genetics are extremely similar. I mean, you have some of our genetics, and so that's the reason we're here. We are here because we want to help. We want to watch over and guide, but we do it openly where people know about it.

31:38 Speaker 1: Do you guys know about our ancient cultures and stuff? I mean, do you guys know about like how they built the pyramids?

31:45 Speaker 2: Was that all that stuff? Yes, we do.

31:49 Speaker 1: Now entertain me or not entertain me, because that makes it sound like you're just playing to my Atlantis. Uh, this this tale that we've been told about Atlantis and the achievements, is there any truth to it?

32:10 Speaker 2: Of course, the truth, the proof is all around you. All of these megalithic places that are left over, you know, they didn't just come into being. But what humanity fails to take into account, especially are archaeologists and so forth, whom I have a respect for, but they have to live within a framework that they can explain or explain something away easily. Otherwise they're not comfortable, all right. And it's again that is cognitive dissonance. And so humanity is faced with a great deal of cognitive dissonance.

32:46 Speaker 2: You know, for somebody to come up and say, well, it was the ets who did this, or it was the gods that came down and did that. And Eric Vandanagan asks all the questions and so forth and so on. He's a wonderful guy, by the way, whom I've met, had dinner with, and so or many times.

33:01 Speaker 1: And you just think he doesn't have the full picture.

33:04 Speaker 2: Well, he's at least asking the questions, right, that's the important part. And that's where we come in and answer the questions. Now, whether or not people want to believe what we bring up or what we share, you know, that's all part of it.

33:23 Speaker 3: Right.

33:23 Speaker 1: You're going to have your percentage that says, nah, bullshit, it doesn't make sense. Because they live in a black and white world.

33:31 Speaker 2: They can only believe what they've been told to believe exactly. Have to live within a certain framework, otherwise people are going to consider them strange or goofy, and they're going to be ostracized. And nobody wants to go through what I went through. They all want to be part of the gang and tipping beers together and having a good time. And I don't blame anyone for that. That's fine. But sometimes you have to be a little bit out of the box. Sometimes you have to look at things and say, wait a minute, this just doesn't fit.

34:05 Speaker 2: It doesn't look right, you know, and you've got to ask the hard questions.

34:11 Speaker 1: That's and that's I am probably going to get a lot of people message me and say, why did you interview this man? Why did you do this? Why would you do it?

34:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you're money with this.

34:26 Speaker 1: I'm like again, I I revert back, I started this again. I'm not here to make money. I'm here to search for the truth and and to facilitate that truth. That's it, period.

34:44 Speaker 2: And where it takes you.

34:45 Speaker 1: Exactly and take me and it led me to you. Now, whether that's destiny, whether that's fate. Like what whatever it is that that that does that that unwind that winds the levees and and pulls the levers, I don't know what that is. Any chance that I can get to talk to someone who may have some answers, you better damn you better bet I'm gonna sit down and have a conversation.

35:13 Speaker 2: You should.

35:15 Speaker 1: I guess my next question. Okay, so you're you're, you're you're sent here from your own species. You talked about forty year contract? Yeah, how many does this? Is the US government or any government on this planet keyed into this idea?

35:38 Speaker 2: Absolutely? They all are.

35:40 Speaker 3: They know about it, they all do.

35:44 Speaker 2: So what is this far? I'll go as far as saying that every single government out there is working together. They are all part of the picture, all right, and it is not this black and white thing where we've got all these lines drawn under this place and that place, in this place and that place. Everybody's involved, okay, and what effects one affects them all?

36:11 Speaker 1: So that's I mean, So what do you think about like, actually, you know what, I forgot to follow up on something. How did they so if these megalithic structures, you know, whether it's Stonehenge, whether it's go Beckley Tepee or any of the tepees. To be honest, the Step Pyramids in South America, the Great Pyramids in Egypt, they all seemed you know, uh, not only just precisely made, right Like, it seems unfathomable to us that those could be made, because we'd struggle with them today. So we're looking at it through a lens that I think is already flawed.

36:54 Speaker 1: But then you start looking into the math and the placement are astrologically placed to represent the stars above them. It's beyond measurement. I mean, this is to an accurate level of just a scale we don't understand yet.

37:13 Speaker 3: So how did they do this well?

37:16 Speaker 2: First thing that humanity has to be able to realize or to accept is the fact that we're not the first race here, right. There are many races that have been on this planet. And when you look at the Peruvian and various places with heads with the elongated skulls, that is one such race that did not originate here. Okay, absolutely, And they had contact with other beings and other societies where knowledge was passed down. So I'm not saying that all the eties just came here, landed and knowent out there and built the damn pyramids or whatever it was.

37:59 Speaker 2: They gave knowledge to individuals that were already smart enough to understand or to be taught what they were talking about. And so you have to look at the fact that that society and other societies have been here before the present human society or Homo sapien. They have all been here and they have all left their mark. Now you're an archaeologist, you go out, you start digging, You're uncovering all these different things, and everything is following this nice linear pattern, and all of a sudden you dig up something that is completely off the wall.

38:34 Speaker 2: What are you going to do, Oh, look what I found? Or are you gonna let's bury that over there. We don't want anybody to see that, because that would put a real dent in the gotten, a dissonance that they're facing. They just can't do it plus plus and I will give you this is my opinion, based on what I know and what I've been told from elsewhere, is that the information that is being put out or being controlled by these people. There group of archaeologists and people, and they're brilliant people for the most part.

39:11 Speaker 2: They are also being controlled. The narrative is being controlled, and they are only allowed to say so much. Otherwise bad things can happen.

39:24 Speaker 1: Right, They'll shoot themselves in the back of the head three times.

39:27 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, you know. Or they'll have a brain aneurysm when they're driving home from work or whatever.

39:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, get plus yeah, oh yeah, I've.

39:35 Speaker 2: Seen too much of that already. And people go, well, aren't you afraid? And I say, well, yeah, a little bit, but what are they going to do? Right? If they come, they come, and they go, we are they going to do? Kill me? I do have protection. I am watched over, but that doesn't mean I just have to go out and flaunt it and see if somebody doesn't come up and put a bullet in my head order to do a job. All right, That's what I contracted for. I knew the risks coming in, as do all of the people that do what I'm doing.

40:06 Speaker 2: And there are many many races that are here on this planet at the current time.

40:12 Speaker 1: Well according to doctor Eric Davis, I'm sure you know who that is, and many others. Multiple et species are active on Earth. From your perspective about how many groups are their main groups.

40:30 Speaker 2: Maybe there's well over one hundred.

40:33 Speaker 1: All right, maybe give me the top top five.

40:38 Speaker 2: All right, you've got the Syrians, You've got the Pleadians, You've got the Arcturians. You've got let me see Centurions, you've got solation. You've got to the top of my head. Here, let's see.

40:58 Speaker 1: What are the grays?

40:59 Speaker 2: The grays? There are multiple, multiple species of grays, everything from the small little guys, which are basically automatons or a hive mind society. They are engineered beings, and they work for quite a number of the beings. They typically are associated with working for the DraCos lights or the reptilian, or any of the insectoid or the manted races. And those are particular races. And while I love them all, those are particular races that when I call to meet the races or have them come and visit, I am very specific these days about who I allow to come, because some of them are just not here for looking after and taking care of humanity.

41:52 Speaker 2: They just as soon eat us or do away with us. So I still respect them, but you know, I learned the hard way. I've been abducted several times. I have many implants I've gone through all kinds of different things. At one point in time, I was too stupid, and I will say that about myself. I was too stupid to realize that unless I was asking for specific things, that left the door wide open for other individuals to walk in and fulfill my so called requests. And that is very dangerous. So when I tell people how to call for a craft or how to be to encounter them or to start commuting, you're.

42:32 Speaker 1: Saying that it's kind of you know what sounds like, because like the myth of the genie or the gin right, you have to be very specific in how you ask for what you want because if there's any loophole or any way, it's kind of like computer code. If there's any exploitative effort or whole, it's going to get used. So when you ask for these craft, when you when you were asking for craft, you said you were stupid? Were you just asking to how were you phrasing it?

43:14 Speaker 2: Well? I went through a period in my life, okay, I mean it was not uncommon for me to be able to go anywhere to a public event or a lecturer or whatever it might be, where I was out in public and people would just stop and they'd look at me, and they'd walk up to me and they'd say, you're not from here. And I'd say, oh, no, I live in such and such place, or I came from there or whatever. And they'd look at me again and they'd say, no, we mean you're not from here, and they'd point up there, you know, And so it was not unusual for that to happen.

43:53 Speaker 2: It happened many times in front of friends and family and otherwise, and they'd all go, oh my god.

43:58 Speaker 3: You know, they know they were one.

44:02 Speaker 2: They just knew they could feel it. Some people are sensitive enough to know and they can feel that kind of a thing and.

44:09 Speaker 1: A mediumship and stuff that's real.

44:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, there are people. Many people have empathy or empathic skills and they can latch onto those kind of things. So that wasn't unusual. But it really took me. Even though I knew I was here and what I was supposed to do and all that kind of stuff, and I was doing it to a degree, it didn't really happen until I was about fifty five fifty six years of age that I finally knuckled down and said, look, I came here for a purpose. I'm going to do what I came here to do. And then I started accepting everything face value and what I had.

44:48 Speaker 2: And then I began my so called career as it were, as a big mouth. So I started shooting my mouth off and telling people what I knew and why. And after I had full contact with my own family and everything, and they verified a lot of information for me, so that when you say.

45:08 Speaker 1: Your family, let's preference, you're talking about not your human family exactly.

45:14 Speaker 2: I'm talking about they getting playadians and specific and they verified a lot of information for me, and I said, wow, So I did have the verification directly, and so you know, after that happened and a lot of different things, it opened up a lot of avenues for me, as it were, And so I started doing what I'm doing now, and that is my best to try and get people to understand we're not alone here, we never have been alone here, and the reasons for it, and what is transpiring and why at least to the best of my ability and the best of their ability to give me knowledge to pass on.

45:56 Speaker 2: I don't embellish it, I don't change it, give it the way they give it. We do our very best to do that. And I have another person that I'm involved with, a female partner that's on the other side of the world, and we correspond and you know, she's also part of the same group.

46:18 Speaker 1: So again you're calling in these beings and you don't know whether you start becoming a big mouth, is what you say? What happens you get abducted by the species and they implant you.

46:31 Speaker 2: Well, at the point, like I said, I was about fifty six when I finally decided to decided to do what I was supposed to really be doing all along. And so I was doing that and doing a lot of various shows and television and podcasts and lectures and mega conferences and what have you. So having done that and reaching quite a large number of big audiences and so forth, I've done my very best to put the information that we're given to out there so that people can do what they will with it, you know, And

47:17 Speaker 2: I kind of lost my train of thought.

47:19 Speaker 1: There is that, right, So you started to do the conferences, you started to talking about all.

47:26 Speaker 2: That kind of stuff, you know. So it has been NonStop essentially since that time to do this kind of thing. And I'll do that as long as I possibly can physical handicaps and all, it doesn't matter.

47:44 Speaker 1: Did anyone ever try to silence you?

47:49 Speaker 2: Oh, I've been threatened. I've had men in black all different kinds of things like that. It's nothing unusual. Yeah, you know. They used to park outside my one house and there was another woman that was part of the UFO group that I belonged to, and they used to harass us all the time, it was, and they would kind of go in and out of the house. And you know how, I don't care how messy your house is or whatever. You know where everything is, and when you walk into your place, you can tell if something's been moved or changed even a little bit.

48:22 Speaker 2: And they would do that constantly to let us know, Yeah, we're in here and we're keeping track of you. You know, this and that kind of thing, and we just go whatever and keep carry on with what we were doing, you know. But leaving the door open when you're inviting different groups in, unless you're very specific about the groups and the kind of groups, whether they're compassionate and loving and gentle and open and are here to assist or help humanity rather than to take advantage of humanity. You have to be very specific about that.

49:00 Speaker 2: At one point or one juncture there, I got pretty upset with things and I was basically intent on getting off of this mud ball, as I used to call it, and I had just left myself open, and I would be calling for craft and I wasn't.

49:20 Speaker 1: That was a nice motorcycle.

49:22 Speaker 2: No, it's actually a car that is starting at the end of my street here and racing down the street and coming back like they're at a starting line, which is really weird. And we have a lot of snow outer too, and so it's like that's about the fourth time that's happened anyway. So when you leave yourself open, they will take advantage of that. Now, first thing I'm going to tell you is that any race that abducts an individual without their permission and sticks implants and things in their bodies is not the kind of race I want a beer around.

49:59 Speaker 2: My family is so advanced along with others in that class. We don't implant people, we don't stick chips and junk in them. We track an individual or beings or things with frequency, so they know where I'm at at any moment of any given day or time by my own personal frequency. Because nothing exists in the universe right down to the smallest particle of an atom that has does not have its own frequency, its frequency exactly, and so that's exactly how we travel.

50:36 Speaker 3: They're tuning in.

50:38 Speaker 2: They literally just tune into my particular frequency, which is maybe thirty digits long, but that frequency defines me or whomever, and that's how they watch and track and confined as what we're doing.

50:53 Speaker 1: And then I know where you were about to go with this. So if if space and time were you know, of course there's there's a lot more to it, right because you'd have to get not only position of the Earth in relativity to the Sun, like you'd have to have all that information as well. But as long as you could calculate it down to then you then again you add that frequency in there, and you could essentially just bing and you're.

51:24 Speaker 2: There precisely tune into its tune.

51:27 Speaker 1: Into its frequency, and as long as you get all the other measurements connect, you could just you could be and it would what it would seem like to us is instantaneous acceleration from relativity. Relativity shows us that we.

51:41 Speaker 2: Don't use anti gravity, we don't use ion propulsion, we don't do all of that kind of bology. So here I am five years old running around the house telling my parents that I knew that if I could change my frequency to the frequency of alphas and jury, for example, that I would instantaneously appear there. Because no two particles in the universe can be in different places. If they have the same frequency, they must by law be at the same place. So we literally map the ether, which is the universe, every single particle and every frequency, and when we plug that into the ship's drive and computing system, what it does is we surround the ship with a huge bubble of energy, which is like a tour raid.

52:27 Speaker 2: For example, it is a tour raid, and that energy we change the frequency of the ship and the occupants and everyone in it to the specific frequency of the point that we want to be at. When we energize that frequency, the ship instantaneously leaves one point and ends up where we want to be. So there's no real travel time or sit time, or warp speed.

52:51 Speaker 1: Or now, because all time is is a bunch of nows compiled upon each other. There right, if you're looking at it from like a linear way, it's just a bunch of presents added on top of each other. So if you could map that again, so it sounds like you would also have the ability to move through time itself.

53:15 Speaker 2: We absolutely do. In fact, we experience under normal conditions, we experience past, present, and future simultaneously.

53:24 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.

53:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild. So in our group we are also telepathic. We also know what each other is thinking at all times.

53:35 Speaker 1: Can you block some of that, because of course that would be a little bit pervasive to a degree.

53:41 Speaker 2: To some degree you can block certain you know, very personal things or what have you. But for the most part, no, everything is wide open. This is another aspect that humanity must learn in their experience of getting along with one another. Right, humanity is not quite ready to do these kind of things yet. There's still we're still based in everybody for himself, everybody. Everything is competition.

54:09 Speaker 1: Here, capitalistic nature.

54:11 Speaker 2: Competition to the end degree. And if we were to change that so that every child that is born from this moment forward, and every person were changed so that we all had the feeling of concern and love and everything for one another, then we would constantly be reinforcing that and reinforcing the love and the compassion for each other, so the society would change overnight. But as it is, we're raised from the moment we're born to compete with our brother, our sister, our mother, our father, and everything and everyone around us.

54:50 Speaker 2: And we have to beat that person at any cost. And that is why humanity is where it is right now.

54:59 Speaker 3: When we dropped.

55:01 Speaker 1: When we dropped nuclear weapons on Japan, did you guys have to you guys got a way to pros and cons on that, right? Do you stop it or do do you let it happen?

55:17 Speaker 2: Well, we weren't here, at least my group wasn't here until nineteen fifty two. They've been here continuously since fifty two. But yeah, there were a lot of different groups. Atomic bombs not only affect the physical physicality, but the spirituality of every living being and soul. I was going to say, I remember that every planet is a living being, every star is a living being. There is nothing on this Earth that is not alive, conscious, or a lot connected. It is all conscious, It is all connected.

55:53 Speaker 2: And when you drop a bomb like that, you destroy things down to the subatomic level, to a point of obliteration, and that interacts with everything else. So if the Earth were destroyed. It would not only affect the Earth, it would affect the entire Solar system and other stars that are twins and connected to our.

56:16 Speaker 3: Own star, and and and God.

56:18 Speaker 1: I mean, if we're going to go down the real rabbit hole of the multiverse, I mean, we could be doing damage on a on a scale, unhithered and undreamt of to another place we have and we are And that's a fucking I mean, it's it's one thing. I just can't rationalize it in my own head. Why we keep these things pointed at each other at all times. It's a real reflection of humanity, Like where we are? I think, and and and and that's do you think that that is why we're not like why disclosure has.

56:54 Speaker 2: To realize tie that a lot of this is fear horn, all right. It is designed to keep humanity in a constant state of upset, all right, so that they're constantly worried about this, that and the other thing, and they're constantly in a point of fear. And the minute that's something that they throw at you dies down, they've got to come up with something else, right, And that keeps everybody wound up so that you don't have the time to sit down and truly think about the things that we're talking about and realize that we're being controlled and manipulated to such a degree.

57:34 Speaker 2: All right, that's what this is all about. And so the entire planet, every person, everybody here, including me, is being manipulated and controlled to the absolute best degree.

57:49 Speaker 1: How accurate are concepts like reincarnation or a soul contract or you know, multi dimensional existence.

58:00 Speaker 2: They are accurate, and they do happen, but a lot of them are traps in their own right. Soul comes here for the experience and the learning possibilities that this density, this planet Earth provides. At this point in time, however, the artificial induction of the third density upon this fifth density world, if that projection were stopped, if it were turned off, this Earth would return to its normal birthright, which is fifth density and above. So we're working very hard to see that that does happen.

58:41 Speaker 2: Now, my family and others will not interfere in the natural evolution and things of humanity. That's something we have to learn for themselves. But we do do things behind the scenes, and we always tend to try and make it look as if it's something that humanity has done not that we have done all right, and there's a great deal of reasons for that, you know, to just lay all of this stuff in their laps, for example, and just show up and fill the sky with our ships where various groups ships would flip some people out.

59:20 Speaker 2: And yeah, it's that cognitive dissonance again, the stuff that those that have been trained to believe it's impossible. It would affect religions, it would affect politics, it would affect a whole lot of things. However, very slowly, we're being drip fed here the information and you know, within the next one hundred years or maybe within the next two years, according to certain information, we may have some limited degree of contact and openness and that will change, the planet will change.

59:58 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what do you think that what is your current assessment of these government quote unquote whistleblowers, even though it's it is DoD approved, you know, and they're only say they're not breaking any of their any of their ow's. What do you think of like the mainstream disclosure movement, it's.

1:00:17 Speaker 2: A beginning, it's a beginning, but it's it's still a long way away from really what we're going to need to do. Anything you know. And I'm part of that whistle blower group, if you will. My whistle blowing is a little different. I just come right out and tell you, Hey, I'm not from here. This is what I know. This is what we're doing, you know. And you can take that or you can leave it. It doesn't really matter.

1:00:43 Speaker 1: Well, it's weird because you've.

1:00:45 Speaker 2: Got to remember that these whistle blowers are looking at this from the standpoint they have to give it a name. So they're saying, well, it is dangerous to humanity, it is dangerous to our flight systems, to aircraft. It is danger for this reason or that reason. They're not looking at it from the standpoint of, oh, well, there's other ets. Do you think, for one reason, that a group of ETS in a spacecraft, for example, that fly in our airspace would be stupid enough to collide with another aircraft with the kind of technology and systems that they have.

1:01:20 Speaker 2: Now, that might not be true for engineered systems that are ours versus theirs, because so.

1:01:31 Speaker 1: You talk about reverse engineered technology.

1:01:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You know our technology, and I'll tell you point blank, our technology, for example, we're one of the highest developed races, is about eight hundred and fifty thousand years in advance of humanity. Okay, go, yeah, yeah.

1:01:53 Speaker 1: Given exponential group, that's not even something.

1:01:56 Speaker 3: People.

1:01:57 Speaker 2: We're still people, and to gettings are emotional people, Okay, we show our emotions, whereas say the Syrians or the Andromedis, for example, are a lot less emotional. They're more logical, as mister Spock would be in Star Trek. But each of those shows represents the truth of another race, another idea. People look at Star Trek and go, it's just a bunch of actors running around and you know, stupid suits and being different and all that kind of stuff. They don't realize that Star Trek was actually a parody on human nature.

1:02:33 Speaker 2: It's all about human nature. They were trying to teach us about ourselves.

1:02:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, a mispoint, right, you know.

1:02:41 Speaker 2: So it's you've got to open your eyes and look at things for what they are. And people go, you're a conspiracy theorist or this and that. I say, well, okay, so I have. I'll happily wear the title. It doesn't make any difference. It doesn't change the truth of what's out there. The truth is out there and it will set.

1:03:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, and That's what I was going to say, is it will set you free once you once you get over the initial kind of shock, right, it starts to just kind of make sense.

1:03:16 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:03:17 Speaker 1: It just the idea that the cosmos is just empty and devoid of life. It doesn't add u.

1:03:25 Speaker 3: No way, it doesn't add up.

1:03:28 Speaker 2: I can't tell you the number of people who've been to my home and I've called the ships and they've come and they've seen them, and their first reaction is, oh my god, oh my god. You know it's they realize at that point that they're not alone. It changes your entire life, your entire perspective. However, I was lucky to the of them don't have any trouble with it. It's not like their life ends. It's actually a new beginning.

1:03:55 Speaker 1: You've just touched upon something that I think I'd be missed if I didn't say this topic specifically. I was lucky enough to have a sighting when I was very very young, eleven twelve, and it fundamentally it changed me. Now, I couldn't imagine being thirty one and then going through that experience, having such a you know, thirty years of this is what reality is, and then having that broken. So I think I was lucky in that right. But if it were to happen to every single person at the same exact time what years talked about earlier, people would kind of lose their minds and there'd be probably a couple of days where suicide was at an all time high.

1:04:45 Speaker 1: That religion, you know, Yeah, all kinds of stock market crashing.

1:04:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, people tend to think in terms of these horrific movies that they're feeding you, like independence. Yeah, You've got to stop and think for a minute. If racists are advanced, its not the ones I'm telling you about are out there. If they wanted to wipe us out, we'd have been gone a long time ago.

1:05:10 Speaker 1: You would have never spraying a breath. If they didn't want, they could flick an asteroid, you know, arguably, so what happened to the diet, because so this is something.

1:05:22 Speaker 2: To do that they could just introduce the pathog into the York's atmosphere and we'd all be gone tomorrow.

1:05:28 Speaker 1: And yeah, I'd be like, oh God, I can't. I can't say it on YouTube?

1:05:32 Speaker 3: What it would they.

1:05:33 Speaker 2: Are watching over us. They're doing the best that they can, Like, you know, all of this fear mongering and saber rattling about all nuclear bombs. We're going to get in another war. We're gonna do this, We're gonna do that. I don't care whether you're talking about Putin or you're talking about Trump or any of the other guys. They're all just making noise and they're rattling their slavers and everything. Yeah. Right, And if truth came down to it, there would not be a nuclear war on this planet because my race and others would not allow it, not allow it from the standpoint that they're not so worried that humanity is going to destroy itself, but they're going to afford to or allow for the destruction of the planet itself because interacts and interferes with so many races and so many life forms beyond just humanity.

1:06:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's led us through.

1:06:29 Speaker 2: A limited skirmish or whatever, those kind of things. But to have an all out launch of nuclear missiles, they would take them all out.

1:06:38 Speaker 1: That would be that like, that would be pasted, because you're looking at complete and utter annihilation on a scale that pect the galaxy doesn't want. Right, So I could see that, right that that would make sense to me and even guys like high Missud who you know, he used the Israeli space you know, went to the guy who runs NASA, but for Israel. He came out and said that there is this galactic Federation and that Trump knows about it.

1:07:08 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, so is.

1:07:11 Speaker 1: He talking about what you are talking about in.

1:07:14 Speaker 2: A sense, although I will go as far as to say that the Galactic Federation in this case is not necessarily the good guys that we would hope they are.

1:07:26 Speaker 1: Well, neither is the US, but we are looked at in a similar way. Right Yeah, Team America World Police, So I get I can get that.

1:07:36 Speaker 2: So business policing low world when we can't take care of our own?

1:07:40 Speaker 1: Exactly do you have in the video that and I will link it. I'll link the video that Pat did with you because I think it's a it's a and I want to do something like that. But bigger you showed him arguably some of the best physical evidence that I had ever seen. Can you tell us about the implant you pulled?

1:08:06 Speaker 2: Oh, the one that I dug out of my leg?

1:08:09 Speaker 1: Yes, can you tell me about that one particular?

1:08:15 Speaker 2: I do not sleep very well, and so my nighttime is a usual mess. But this particular case, I had woken up after being asleep. It was close to four hours, three hours and fifty three minutes, if I remember correctly, and I'm sitting on the edge of the bed and I looked down at my left leg and I noticed this red mark. And I looked at it a little closer, and it's a perfect right triangle. It's carved into my leg. It's about a little over an eighth of an inch deep. It's blood red, it doesn't hurt, and it's not bleeding.

1:08:53 Speaker 2: And I said, what in the hell is that? And you know, so I just kind of looked at it, and I took some pictures of it right away, but I figured out, I think I know what that is. So within a matter of a few days, I was rubbing my hand. I rubbed my hand over that part of my leg, and the darn thing would stick me. It would prick me like a pin. And I said, what is going on here? So I literally took a scalpel and I dug it out, and I pulled an implant out of my leg and I put that into a little glass vial that they used for medical samples.

1:09:30 Speaker 2: And before I did that, I put it under a medical microscope with one of my friends who had access to it, and you could literally see it looks like a crystal with all different kinds of colors, and it had these little what for lack of a better word, of wires sticking out of it in various places, and so it was really unusual. So we took all the pictures of it, and I logged it, and I put it in a little bottle, and I didn't think too much about it. After a few days, I looked at it, and the darn thing had turned kind of a whitish color and it dried up and there you couldn't see any of the stuff that you could before.

1:10:10 Speaker 2: So I had this funny idea that it did. Really I cut myself, Yeah, I cut myself or whatever. I took a drop or two of blood mixed with some distilled water, and I put that in there with this implant, and lo and behold, this thing reopened and all the wires came out again, and it was re exposed. It was acting as if it was part of my body again. And so I still have that particular implant under safe care. And you know, but that's not the first time, nor the last time. I have several and the first one thirded like in nineteen eighty six when I did that thing where I said I wanted to meet the ets.

1:10:51 Speaker 2: I just wanted to get off of this planet, and lo and behold, that was not a good encounter.

1:10:56 Speaker 1: So who are the ones that are implanting?

1:11:00 Speaker 2: Most of the time you'll find them connected with the grays, So that'd be reptilians and grays, the Draco race which rules the gray, the insectoids, the mantas, those kind of races. They're very advanced, but they still use kind of what we called old technology. Right, It's like a cow right.

1:11:20 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, totally. And again I think that's something that's always kind of just made sense to me. It's like, oh, they're doing it's now is that would you classify that as benevolency or is.

1:11:35 Speaker 2: That no way? So I said, no race that I know that a good race is going to do anything like that to a person, right.

1:11:45 Speaker 1: So it is malevolent to a degree.

1:11:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some malevolence in the act. I mean somebody walks up to you, grabs you to night, and sticks an implant in your body without your permission or otherwise, and traumatizes you and then throws you back in the stream or whatever. You know, It's like, come on, that's not the way a civilized race acts, or a race. They may be civilized to a degree, but that's not the kind of a race that i'd want to meet or hang out with, you know, I mean, geez, you know you're literally being abducted at against your will.

1:12:19 Speaker 2: So no, you know, you have to be very careful about whom and what you invite. And the same thing goes for those people missing around in the so called spiritual world and trying to contact the dead and stuff like that. I don't have anything to do with that. In fact, I don't invite that at all because I don't need that kind of stuff around me, those kind of negative energies. I don't need any.

1:12:41 Speaker 1: Part of the next thing I want to talk about is going to be a little controversial.

1:12:46 Speaker 2: Okay, we'll hang on as long as we can un till we get blue screened.

1:12:51 Speaker 1: The religions of the world, Yes, they they all talk about pretty much the same thing in a in a degree, right, h there's whether it's many or one. But let's go with the major religions, right Christianity, uh, being Muslim maybe maybe Judaism. There's this idea of Jesus and the miracles he performed, the Virgin Mary being impregnated sounds a lot like ivf right, immaculate.

1:13:37 Speaker 2: Uh.

1:13:39 Speaker 1: Is there anything that we should know about the story of Jesus or or anything like that where uh uh someone was was implanted with what seems non human like is that what's going on here? Or what are these gods or are these something? Are these extra trestrialism? We're just using the wrong word and demons.

1:14:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, borrowing information you know, from ancient aliens and other things. I'll just quote the terms.

1:14:12 Speaker 3: You know.

1:14:13 Speaker 2: I mean, any race that is sufficiently advanced, that is capable of doing these kinds of things would appear as magic. And that's absolutely the case. So you know, you're looking at races that have all this technology. It's a matter of technology and what they do with it and how they do with it, So you know, you have to look at it from that standpoint. Now. To me, I was raised in a Catholic environment, all right, and for Catholicism, which is a major portion of religions out there. And I will never ever say to anyone or disparage in any way their religious beliefs.

1:14:55 Speaker 2: That's their choices, their beliefs, and that's fine. However, in my case, I had a rude awakening, which I probably will not go into, but something quite horrific that happened to me within the Catholic Church that forced me to leave the church. I was about eighteen years of age.

1:15:15 Speaker 1: I think I can draw my own conclusions.

1:15:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well after that, no, no, it's okay. I traveled through the world and I studied every religion that I could, and what I came away with was very simple that if you don't have Christ or God or whatever within your own heart to start with, you're not going to find it in any religion anywhere. Because everybody's got a piece of the puzzle and they all think they've got the right answer, but they don't. They don't really know what they have. And then people come to me and they say, well, you're the et, you're advanced, blah blah blah.

1:15:55 Speaker 2: What do you believe in? Do you believe in God? Is there God out there? Or this and that? And I say, well, I cannot say anything to you that will interfere with your belief And where you are in your understanding of your religious beliefs, all right, And it's okay that you believe in God or Buddha or Krishna or whatever it is. Everybody has that. But you got to remember that were about eight hundred and fifty thousand years and in advance of you. So when you get that advanced, come and talk to me.

1:16:32 Speaker 2: Then the point being is that you're going to find along the way that those religious beliefs and understanding are going to change greatly.

1:16:43 Speaker 1: Okay, So was Jesus a real person?

1:16:46 Speaker 2: Your was the real person, but he was not necessarily what was purported to be.

1:16:54 Speaker 1: Okay, See that is that's and that is controversial just by nature of saying.

1:16:59 Speaker 2: It and the person did he mean well and all those things? I go absolutely, But does that mean that he was who he claimed to be or otherwise? Again, that's you know, open for conjecture or I'm not here to prove it or disprove it or even put a label on it. That has no bearing on anything. In fact, people would do well to do as he had had intented.

1:17:24 Speaker 1: How much does the US government know and our crash retrievals, because one of the things we talked about in the modern disclosure movement is crash retrievals. If these UFOs are so advanced, obviously, the main question being how do they crash? Have you developed some sort of technology to bring UFOs down?

1:17:46 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, absolutely?

1:17:49 Speaker 1: Why has not been any retaliation?

1:17:52 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I didn't understand.

1:17:54 Speaker 1: Why is there any retaliation by this?

1:18:02 Speaker 2: There is retaliation to a degree, not open you know, confrontration. Most of the retaliatory effort is kind of benign. In other words, they do their best to get out of the way or that kind of thing. You know. They have enough time and enough information. Usually when they're being fired upon, they know it. There's been a few videos that were shown on television, I forget exactly, which shows where certain weapons were being fired and there were pictures taken of it, or pictures supposedly taken from the space station where a ship was moving and something was fired.

1:18:49 Speaker 3: At that and so it moves out of the way.

1:18:52 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. So there's a number of different things that are available, and those are just things that have leaked out along no way. But our technology here is sufficient to do quite a bit. And so even though our people are out there, you know, and there's other races as well. They're all pretty careful about not stepping too close to the line, as it were. The government knows they're there and all that kind of stuff, and they say, okay, fine, you can be there, but if you step over that line, or if you get too close, we're gonna we're gonna powder your back end and let you know.

1:19:32 Speaker 2: You know. So it's kind of like you know the flies are around, but you can't get rid of them.

1:19:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that kind of right, right, And I mean,

1:19:45 Speaker 1: why didn't you leave?

1:19:48 Speaker 2: Why didn't we leave?

1:19:50 Speaker 1: Yeah? Why why didn't you? When you completed your contract? I suspect that you fell in love with humanity.

1:20:00 Speaker 2: I fell in love with humanity and.

1:20:02 Speaker 1: Maybe one woman. I don't know. I don't know how it works, but I suspect that love had something to do with you staying.

1:20:10 Speaker 2: It was universal love, would you yeah?

1:20:15 Speaker 1: I think because of that, if you could go back in time, would you leave?

1:20:22 Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, knowing what I know now and been through what I've been through, Yes, I was. I was a goofball. I was a fool. I was romanticizing what I was doing, Okay, right, Yeah, it looks all great and wonderful and everything until you have to sit through all of the challenges, and I've had a lot of those your communication. I don't really regret it, but yeah, I think I might change that answer.

1:20:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably, And that's I can understand that. I can understand that what happens when you die here? Are you going to wake up there?

1:21:13 Speaker 2: The original plan was that I was going along with the other that I'm involved, if we were going to be extracted, okay, they would literally come down, pick us up, and we would leave. And that's what I really wanted because as an avatar, even though my other body is in the immersion pod and all that kind of stuff, it's basically just a lifeless body at this point. But I got to where I like who I am. I enjoy being Dale. I like Dale for who and what he is. I don't like looking the way that I am at the moment, I don't like feeling the way that I feel, but I still like me as a being.

1:22:00 Speaker 2: And I got to the point where I decided I want to stay as Dale and when I go back. So we were informed that if we did that, there would be two of us, all right, it'd be like the twins kind of thing, And I said, all right, I can live with that. But I got aggravated with the idea that if I woke up there and I say, if I die here and my went back to my consciousness, went back into my regular body where it is currently, and you know, I'd wake up and it would be kind of like, well, geez, thanks for the vacation Dale, nice memories.

1:22:42 Speaker 2: We'll see you around. And I didn't like that idea too much. I wanted to stay as who and what I am. Direction that was, like I said, the original plan. But things have changed, and a great number of beings that are here that were to be extracted by various groups I have heard that they are not being permitted to do so. That information can change or can be wrong at any point in time. So I do not have any current confirmation.

1:23:13 Speaker 1: Do you have? Are you in communication with No?

1:23:16 Speaker 2: Well, we're currently not in communication with our group, but.

1:23:20 Speaker 1: Other you could. You could contact others they.

1:23:24 Speaker 2: Hear me telepathically. Obviously. At least I'll take some credit for the pictures I sent you regarding my wife's flight and the pictures.

1:23:34 Speaker 1: Do you mind if I show those?

1:23:35 Speaker 3: Not at all? Yeah?

1:23:38 Speaker 1: So can you explain what happened there?

1:23:42 Speaker 2: Well, my wife's flight and her destination was a great deal away.

1:23:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't we're not going to say where.

1:23:49 Speaker 2: Please esentially essentially the other side of the planet, but many in any case, since the flights are so very long and so forth, I was watching with both computers that I had at the time, a telephone and a pad, and I tracked the flights to and from and everything else. And I simply asked, I said, please watch over her and make sure everything is okay. And so apparently they heard that. But during one of the flight's very long flight, she's about thirty nine thousand feet, she actually had a feeling to look outside the window and she did.

1:24:30 Speaker 2: It was morning time, the sun was kind of coming up in a different direction, and the clouds were there, and she looked out the window and there's these two crafts right alongside the airplane, and she goes wow, and she pulled out the phone and she started She took a video of one and several stills of both of them. One is clearly a saucer and is bright and you can see the delineation of the top and bottom and midsections. And the other is a cylinder and it's a silver long cylinder, which are two of the types of craft that my family uses.

1:25:05 Speaker 2: Like I said, I cannot take full responsibility and say, oh, yeah, they did that because I asked them to. But it's a pretty big coincidence, you know. And my wife is the type of individual that as many times has she seen the ships and all that kind of stuff, she's very zen. She's Buddhist or was raised Buddhist, and she doesn't get excited about stuff like that. You know, she says, okay, that's nice. One time we had five craft appear right in front of us, right over our heads. We were on our way out for an anniversary dinner, and she likes to go to Olive Garden, So, you know, I'm coming out the door and I could feel that they were coming, and I'm looking and the guy's cleared.

1:25:49 Speaker 2: There's a puffy cloud here and there. And as I stand on the top step, I'm finishing locking up the door, and I said, they're here, and she says, what, And I said the craft. I look up and all of a sudden, like somebody squeezed the peapod. One after another, five ships appeared right above us. And I'm freaking out because I'm overjoyed, and I'm talking and I can hear them in my head and this and that, you know, And my wife looks up and she says, oh, look at that. And I says, yeah, isn't that the coolest?

1:26:18 Speaker 2: And she says, oh, okay, let's go. I'm hungry. Just like that, you know, it blew me away.

1:26:24 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that's hilarious.

1:26:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, she's And I said, well, honey, I said, don't you ever get excited about anything? And she said, you know, the universe is a big place. It's full of life. What's the big deal? Says? Life is everywhere? So what you know? I said, well, you've known since we've been married twenty one years who I am and what I am. I said, none of it affects you. I said, you've seen more craft than most. And she's, you know, like, yeah, so no big deal. If they land in the backyard, knocked on the door and you know whatever, and she answered, and she'd open the door, she'd say, hi, come on, in just a minute, I'll get dail.

1:27:08 Speaker 2: You know, that's that's just exactly the way she would act. It just doesn't affect her.

1:27:13 Speaker 1: It would just be another day.

1:27:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, just another day.

1:27:16 Speaker 1: You know, it's another day with Dale.

1:27:18 Speaker 2: She's absolutely used to the whole thing and and her upbringing and beliefs are you know, it is what it is. Life is everywhere.

1:27:26 Speaker 3: So what have you ever.

1:27:30 Speaker 1: Have you ever wanted to like get the the implant tested by others, like and show them like, hey, yes I did.

1:27:41 Speaker 2: Okay, I did, and I was thwarted at every turn. Interesting move On blacklisted me. In fact, they wouldn't even take a look at it. They move on themselves, would not have anything to do with it. They blacklisted me and said, oh he's a nutcase and they wouldn't even look at it.

1:28:00 Speaker 1: Yet, You've been employed by NASA and large Honeywell is a large companyspace. Yeah, and people think they just make like thermostats, you're you you don't know the half of it.

1:28:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, they do, but you know much more than that.

1:28:21 Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's what I find the most interesting about you,

1:28:27 Speaker 1: not the fact that you I mean, I mean, obviously I'm alien. I don't I don't even like that word alien. But visitor, the visitor that you are, that is you know, that's that's the that's the reality of it. I find it very interesting that you worked at NASA, and it just flows me away.

1:28:55 Speaker 2: Teaching about the idea of me being who are you know? They didn't they didn't embrace that.

1:29:01 Speaker 1: Did you ever hold a security clearance?

1:29:04 Speaker 2: Yes, top secret DoD security clearance.

1:29:08 Speaker 1: My god, did you ever ever? I mean you had to have been. Did you ever see anything over like any NASA facilities that like, hey, we're watching you. Yes, Can you describe an event?

1:29:22 Speaker 2: Maybe we had one saucer that came in extremely low, was about fifty feet up, sat right over the heads of another friend of myself and in the one of the yards there.

1:29:35 Speaker 1: So this is a NASA facility, add facility, whatever it is. You don't have to say what it is. Yeah, and there so I mean this activity is you'd have to assume that NASA has cameras.

1:29:48 Speaker 2: Everywhere, right, absolutely, Yeah.

1:29:50 Speaker 1: So that event they would have caught.

1:29:53 Speaker 2: And that well, you know, I can say that the place, it's not a big deal. That was NASA Lewis at the time, which became NASA Glenn later on as I worked there.

1:30:05 Speaker 1: Where's that That's in Cleveland, Ohio.

1:30:09 Speaker 2: It's actually in brook Park, but in the airport Cleveland Hopkins Airport International Airport, is connected to part of that property there, you know, So why in the world they wouldn't have noticed it with the the tower, you know, the aircraft control tower and all that stuff sitting right there. But yeah, and there's been other instances that I've had that they should have clearly, clearly seen it, But there's never a word as ever said so.

1:30:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've never gotten pulled into a skiff or anything and said, hey the fuck are you doing?

1:30:44 Speaker 2: No?

1:30:45 Speaker 3: Nothing interesting?

1:30:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, any sightings like mass sightings or like a lot of people remember the Phoenix lights? What what happened there?

1:31:00 Speaker 2: What happened there?

1:31:01 Speaker 1: Yeah? What was that?

1:31:02 Speaker 3: Was that?

1:31:03 Speaker 1: Was that a non human craft?

1:31:04 Speaker 2: Or was that it was nonhuman? Yeah?

1:31:07 Speaker 1: It was nonhuman.

1:31:08 Speaker 2: My my current understanding is that it was an ANDROMAA in craft.

1:31:13 Speaker 1: Why did it do what it did?

1:31:16 Speaker 2: I don't have an answer for that, speculate only they really know for certain. Uh. The only speculation that I would have is that they were having some difficulty with certain systems and they didn't have a kind of a choice. They were in an attempt to repair. Technology fails. It doesn't matter who makes it or how great it is. Technology always fails. You know, It's and that's the nature of things.

1:31:42 Speaker 1: So it was just a coincidence that everyone happened to be already looked up that night.

1:31:47 Speaker 2: Well I'm not sure which event attracted which event, but there was a lot more to it than people know. And Patrick James did a really, really good thing with his video in the Phoenix Lights. He went into depth and things that most people do not.

1:32:04 Speaker 1: And I'm in conversation right now with doctor Katai about It's kind of funny because I'm kind of like following Patrick but not really like I don't mean to, but I keep talking, I keep focusing on something like the videos he did. I keep finding myself like wanting to talk to the people myself. Yeah, and that's here, you know, that's what brought us together. So he's doing a great job. I'll link the video.

1:32:30 Speaker 2: A great guy. You you love you know, you should meet him and talk to him. He's really a wonderful individual.

1:32:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

1:32:39 Speaker 3: Friends, yeah, you know, he seems genuine.

1:32:41 Speaker 2: He's as a truth seeker just as yourself. And so working with him was a joy. And you know, yeah, you made.

1:32:50 Speaker 1: An appearance in his his video after that, and and am I mistaken in saying it was it was it Mount Shasta.

1:32:59 Speaker 2: I helped him some what with the Phoenix lights, and then I did my video personally with him, and then he had the next video was the Superstition Mountains, in which I did a lead in.

1:33:10 Speaker 1: So what is the Superstition Mountains.

1:33:13 Speaker 2: Oh, that's where the Superstition gold Mine was, and the little people and all the things that the psychic things that happened, and where people have died hunting for the gold mine and all that stuff.

1:33:24 Speaker 1: So again this brings us to this question of little people and stuff like that. Are they talking about aliens or are they talking I mean non human intelligence? Are they talking about like cryptids and bigfoots like that? Is there any truth to that?

1:33:42 Speaker 2: Yes, there is truth to the cryptid stuff and bigfoot is definitely real. But what I don't know, what I can't figure out, is why the hell they just won't leave them alone. You know, they're here doing their thing, and one of these days somebody's going to come up on one of those beings and take it off to the point where it's going to grab them and rip their face off, and that's going to be the end of that.

1:34:06 Speaker 1: Right.

1:34:08 Speaker 2: You know, the lions in the cage. Why would you keep taunting you? You know, they don't want to be bothered by humanity. If they did, they'd make themselves visible, right, But they know that they would probably be shot at or dissected or hurt or whatever. And I personally agree with them. I would stay the hell away from humanity too.

1:34:30 Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's weird because they're often, you know, if there's a bigfoot sighting or anything like cattlemulation, oftentimes there's also a UFO scene in the area, and and and that just I mean, that's not I don't again, I don't believe in coincidence. So these things are another being, just another.

1:34:53 Speaker 2: Being in the another being. They're not necessarily native to Earth, but they have been brought here for various reasons. They have certain telepathic and kinetic capabilities. They're able to move in and out of time and space and do different things, and so you know, they can be quite elusive. But one of these days, like I said, they're going to get in a position where somebody's going to get hurt if they haven't been already, you know, and I mean seriously hurt. You know, you've got details where these people are camping out and they're chasing them through the woods and all these different things.

1:35:28 Speaker 2: One of these days, somebody's going to make a mistake, in my opinion. All right, this is my conjecture, my opinion. But I really think they're going about it in the wrong way. If Bigfoot wanted to be contacted or wanted to be seen, they would do so. Yes, they are intelligent creatures and they do have abilities. So again, you know, be careful what you ask for.

1:35:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, be careful what you wish for, right, And I guess So.

1:36:03 Speaker 2: What is the Perissian mountains and the little people and all that stuffy they have been conjectured to be et in nature or what have you. But there's been stories of little people all over the planet, Ireland and things like that, and you know where they have the fairy mounds and so forth, and the people truly believe in them, you know. And then they go along with the gins and the various other people and cryptids that have been described and talked about. You know, there are mysteries all over this planet.

1:36:34 Speaker 2: Right.

1:36:35 Speaker 1: One of the one of those very very odd places is skin Walk, a.

1:36:40 Speaker 3: Ranch, oh yeah.

1:36:42 Speaker 1: Where the phenomenon phenomena seem to kind of splinter over or converge. It seems like it's almost like the veil seems thinnest. There are there such things as like places like that where like what is going on there? Is it a multi is it a portal? Is it a.

1:37:06 Speaker 2: There's a conglomeration of different things that are happening there. And I've done my best to contact all those people in that entire group to give them information, but they won't pay any attention. They don't even respond.

1:37:23 Speaker 1: What are you trying to tell them? If they were watching right now? What would you tell them?

1:37:28 Speaker 2: Various tests that they could run, things that they should be looking at, that they're not doing, what they're actually seeing and why and stuff like that. You know, I don't really want to go into too much detail on the air about that, but yeah, there's there's some things I could.

1:37:44 Speaker 3: Help them with interesting, interesting.

1:37:48 Speaker 2: And you know, I think I also mentioned to you about the Rosswell rock, also about the key.

1:37:56 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, right right?

1:37:58 Speaker 2: Can you tell me that the dimensional doorways and different things like the doorway and peruin so forth. That there's things that I believe that would be a benefit if they would listen. But you know, I can't get anybody pay any attention.

1:38:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that so so roswell funny that you bring it up, because it's been brought up again in this recent documentary that's making the rounds age of disclosure. And it's really odd that the way you told us today, that that you travel by creating this bubble around the ship is exactly what Hell put off in doctor Eric Davis uh beer eyes in that movie. Is that that that that is exactly you described to a t exactly what they're saying. And it seems like again we've got maybe the information we've gotten is is backwards liked.

1:38:53 Speaker 1: So it seems we've gotten that information from you rather than you getting that information from us.

1:39:00 Speaker 2: Right, It's come from various et sources and it was given on purpose. Again, like I said, Bryan.

1:39:07 Speaker 3: Aclamy is valiant.

1:39:09 Speaker 1: There's a story about this guy, Valiant.

1:39:10 Speaker 2: Thorn, one of our group.

1:39:14 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?

1:39:15 Speaker 2: No?

1:39:16 Speaker 1: So what was his mission?

1:39:19 Speaker 3: His mission got high up.

1:39:20 Speaker 2: Literally from fifty two to about fifty four. He was here for three years. He came in his little ship called the Victor one, and he did his absolute best, just as I and others are trying to do. To talk to government, to talk to various people higher up, to tell people the truth of what they knew and what we were doing, especially to inform humanity about the dangers of nuclear weapons and the destruction that they caused, not just a bomb on a surface, but what a nuclear weapon actually does when it explodes, and how deeply it affects all life forms.

1:40:02 Speaker 2: So, you know, and it just tears me apart. I think that we've actually detonated more than one thousand nuclear weapons on this planet to date,

1:40:15 Speaker 2: and all of that, a lot of it has been underground or in the ocean.

1:40:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's psychotic, you.

1:40:21 Speaker 2: Know, it's just think for a moment of what they're doing to Mother Earth, to Gia, and Earth is a living being. I have a very very good relationship with with Mother Earth, Queen Guya. And you know, I can go outside and ask her to move the clouds and she will, you know it.

1:40:43 Speaker 1: So what is that just like having a respect.

1:40:45 Speaker 2: For her, absolute absolute respect for Mother Earth. I have never littered or done anything in my lifetime that would cause the slightest bit of damage to Mother Earth. I have a connection with all plants, all trees. That's the reason I raised the bump side and everything. I talked to them. I can talk to something.

1:41:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, you told me about that. Yeah, it's interesting, right because I now I've taken certain drugs, like you know, ayahuasca, mushrooms. Yeah, and and during those experiences it does something you You start looking around. And I remember the first time, one of the first times after I did mushrooms, where I was looking at the trees like blowing and the grass blowing in the wind, and I knew why they were Like I, I understood fundamentally like this cycle of life and ecosystems, and I had a different appreciation for it.

1:41:55 Speaker 1: I don't kill ant bugs anymore. I get them and I moved them outside.

1:42:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1:42:02 Speaker 1: And people will call you like a tree hugger. But when I go into the woods, I usually put my hand on a tree and I say, you know, I'm here to observe, not to disturb.

1:42:12 Speaker 2: Exactly. That's a great thing to do because they respond and they know they do. Every tree out there is connected to every other tree, whether it's around the world. There are trees and even documented cases of where one tree might be suffering missing nutrients and energy and other trees will give up their food and energy to help the one that is struggling. Yes, they absolutely are. They're a unified race and our plants plants respond in the same fashion. My wife and I grow orchids in our home that are rare orchids, and most people couldn't even think about raising, and we get three hundred and fifty blooms a year.

1:42:57 Speaker 2: You know, it's like it's all because of how we treat them and how we talk to them and look at them, and we certainly don't put ice on them. I can tell you that, oh, good lord, put an ice cube. You go and buy an orchid from the store and they tell you put an ice cube on it the water. Would you like to have somebody grab you and stick you in a bucket of ice?

1:43:20 Speaker 1: No, come on, that's no, absolutely not.

1:43:24 Speaker 2: It makes no sense whatsoever. But you know, the whole point is that there isn't a square millimeter on this entire planet that isn't alive. Interesting all the way through the center. There is life everywhere.

1:43:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I think that's something that we're starting to see as technology progresses. Of course, people are doing experiments that that that you know, just unfathomable, Like like you said, and I think we are like are do you see with all the bad that seems to be, you know, kind of towded by the mainstream media and this idea that you know, it's just all all bad news.

1:44:11 Speaker 2: Do you see they thrive on it.

1:44:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, they definitely do. And that's that's how I know evil exists. That's how I know evil exists born.

1:44:22 Speaker 2: I was telling you about it all It is the keep humanity stirred up all the time, and when one thing happens and it gets everybody stirred up, there's a mass shooting, a mass bombing or whatever, and as soon as that calms down a little bit, there's something else right away to take its place. It's constant and forever and you can follow it every single minute of every.

1:44:44 Speaker 1: Day, and has all the makings of a psychological operation as well. It is you know, repeat, discredit, rinse again, repeat right, you know, And and that's it concerns me. It does, so were any of the presidents? Is there any? I wouldn't say, because Marco Rubio just even said it in this documentary Age of Disclosure, which I don't really recommend. It's not that I don't recommend it, but if you know the topic, you know the topic. It's nothing new. But he does say something interesting where he said that, you know, presidents are even operating on a need to know basis at this point, you know, what was the last president?

1:45:34 Speaker 1: Because a lot of people talk about Eisenhower in this meeting, this meeting between so it looks like he met on two occasions, once with what you would consider the tall whites and then once with a more gray being.

1:45:52 Speaker 2: Well, really he met with the grays, and he also met with my group.

1:45:56 Speaker 1: Okay, and one promised.

1:45:58 Speaker 2: Him human looking as you and I.

1:46:01 Speaker 3: Okay, so no.

1:46:03 Speaker 2: Real differences there. What makes me crazy is that they've got these god awful pictures that they often attached to the what they think these races are what they look like, and they're always so horrific looking or nasty or big teeth. Third, you know, that's the furthest thing from the truth. They're not that way, at least the majority of them are not. So the representation of them is terrible to begin with, right, you know, because I guess the hardest thing for humanity would beat to have a spacecraft land and the people get off the ship and they look just like them so, but that's the truth.

1:46:44 Speaker 2: That's the truth and the nature of it. It's because we are related to about twelve different races. We have genetics of about twelve different races in human race.

1:46:56 Speaker 1: So do you think that's why they don't want us to know. They don't want want us to know that we're we're all like a cosmic brother.

1:47:04 Speaker 2: We are part of the universe as a whole. We are cosmic brothers. But maintaining the secrecy and maintaining the power and the control over people is what gives them the power, right, you take that away, and all of a sudden, we might have free energy. We might have you know, a medicine that actually works instead of the pharma and all the junk that's worthless. You know, everything is designed to make money. It's not designed to help. But if all of that stuff went away, you know, then all the world would change overnight, wouldn't it.

1:47:41 Speaker 2: And then well maybe human beings would wake up and they become part of the galactic universe as a whole, which is where we should be, where we should strive to be. But we don't really have the place there yet. We're not. We haven't been liberated for everyone to realize who and what they are and that they do belong there. They've been They've been lied to for too long time. They haven't got a clue.

1:48:10 Speaker 1: What's it going to take at this point for the world, not just the United States, but the world to wake up.

1:48:22 Speaker 2: A lot of the world is actually further ahead of the United States as far as waking up is concerned. You know, if you look at Chile and Peru and various places, they talk about this stuff openly and they don't hide it, you know, U this is some of the most secretive that ever right. You know, it's again, it's all about that control, all about that power. Right. Why they think they're going to lose control over things. I think they would actually be in a better position if they would just wake up and let go.

1:48:54 Speaker 2: But that's the negative forces that are doing that. And the negative of forces literally feed upon negative energy. Right.

1:49:05 Speaker 1: There's people when they come into a room, and I've experienced this on multiple occasions, where someone will walk into the room and they're just they're like an energy vampire. They suck the energy out of the room.

1:49:22 Speaker 2: Right there.

1:49:24 Speaker 3: Are you feel it.

1:49:27 Speaker 2: Like that? There are beings that don't There are soulless, and there's quite a number of them that are here, and their soulless beings and their purpose is to do just.

1:49:37 Speaker 3: That two literally negative out of.

1:49:43 Speaker 2: A room, to you know, control and do different things. Yeah, oh god, there are plenty of soulless beings that are here. Walking.

1:49:51 Speaker 3: Soul is unique day.

1:49:54 Speaker 1: So if is this so, I think a lot of people His soul is your soul separate from it has to be if what we're talking about is true, It is right, but it's it's not consciousness.

1:50:09 Speaker 2: The soul is consciousness. The soul is everything that you are. But at this moment, only a small portion of your soul is currently here experiencing this planet, this this universe, if you will, all right, And the rest of you is elsewhere doing other things, your higher self. So yeah, but that's the part that is that is forever, that's the part that is universal energy. That's the part that everything and everyone are part of. There's no difference between you or me or anyone else. We are all connected.

1:50:49 Speaker 1: So there's no such thing as heaven.

1:50:53 Speaker 2: That's kind of a loose term for a thing that most people don't have any idea about in the first place.

1:51:00 Speaker 1: Right, Well, this idea of like a paradise, right like, and that's it's probably that's probably the true part. But it's not this paradise that like.

1:51:09 Speaker 2: If we if we all learned to respect and love one another and to care for one another, if we all understood that every life or every individual was as important as the next, that would be.

1:51:26 Speaker 1: Paradise, right right, that's a very yeah, that's a good way to see.

1:51:31 Speaker 2: It, because there are places in this planet where life is cheaper than the garbage you walk on.

1:51:42 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's tough.

1:51:45 Speaker 2: If a lack of respect for right, the individuals that have that lack of respect have no understanding of what life is or what it means. It is simply pure control for the sake of fear.

1:52:01 Speaker 3: And control, thank god.

1:52:05 Speaker 2: So when you think about that to the end degree, it's just it's frightening.

1:52:10 Speaker 1: It is frightening. It is.

1:52:14 Speaker 2: And there are individuals, solace or otherwise that are wandering around out there right now that are looking at you and me and thinking what meaningless things those are? What what they would like to do to squash us, to reach out and just smash us. We have no purpose for being whatsoever. We're not even worth the skin we're in.

1:52:37 Speaker 1: But we're more valuable.

1:52:39 Speaker 2: Where there are plenty of people that don't think that way. So, you know, we are faced with a very serious situation where Earth is at right now, and this is the make or the break, the awakening of humanity, and it's a painful process, as you and I both know.

1:53:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, the caterpillar struggles. You got it right to become the butterfly. There's it doesn't come easy.

1:53:09 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.

1:53:11 Speaker 3: So but we will ai more.

1:53:14 Speaker 2: I think in the end. In the meantime, many many people are going to be.

1:53:20 Speaker 1: Leaving understood understood. What do you believe is humanity's destiny?

1:53:30 Speaker 2: Our destiny? Our potential here is unlike many others in the universe, we have the potential to become one of the greatest of races of beings, of nations, of a unified world. We have the greatest potential. That is hard to it. You can't even put it into words. Humanity's potential is limitless. And what we need to do is to discover who and what we are as beings here and just what we have and can bring to the party of the universe. It's that simple.

1:54:07 Speaker 1: Well, something tells me that, like we're not. Our purpose isn't just to go to a job that you hate eight hours a day and just you know, just exists to survive and put like money at food on the table. Like there is a higher purpose to what being a human means. Believe and not as it seems like we're stuck like a lot. Most people go to an office job that they hate. They work eight hours a day, fifty fifty hours a week doing something that that that it's mind numbing they hate. They hate it. And then how do we I feel like we're a rabbit?

1:54:46 Speaker 1: A rabbit but a answer on the wheel, yeap.

1:54:48 Speaker 2: And you'll forgive me for this. But as my very good, dear departed friend Jordan Maxwell would say, we are in the Babylonian money magic. It is all about creating and providing for those that are ruling over us. We are not supposed to understand who and what we are. We're not supposed to realize our potential. We're not supposed to wake up. We're supposed to just toil and provide the spoils for the others, right, right, And that's what's.

1:55:24 Speaker 3: Going on, right? I agree?

1:55:27 Speaker 1: I really do.

1:55:30 Speaker 2: You know so. Yeah, somebody will probably do their best to reach out and try and whack me for saying so, but hey, truth is truth. You know what?

1:55:39 Speaker 3: Can I use it?

1:55:41 Speaker 2: There's something to it anyway? What is that?

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