TDP LIVE: Varginha, Abduction, & Congressional Response (FT. GINO FROM THE WHY FILES)

0:03 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back to Total Disclosure.

0:18 Speaker 2: Back in good old Boston. It's we just took a trip down to DC. For anyone who doesn't or didn't know, there was a National Press Club event that James Fox, the filmmaker of Moment of Contact, the Phenomenon, fifty Years of Denial, I know what I saw in so many other amazing UFO films. He put on this National Press Club event similar to like the Doctor Reer event, and you know, put on the witnesses or as many as he could, including the neurosurgeon, doctor Edelo, and then a very powerful witness from the beginning of the film, Carlos Desusa.

1:01 Speaker 2: I was able to speak with both of them, along with people like Representative Burlson, Jean Sticko, veto a just plethora, Jeff new Totelli, or someone from the Y Files. I don't know if that's cool, but so many people were there, so many cool things to discuss, so many opportunities, that we figured we owe it one more stream, one more stream to bring it all together, to bring it home, if you will. So before I get into it, everyone make sure to like, share, subscribe if you're listening later on one of our great podcast platforms.

1:41 Speaker 2: Please rate and review. It's the best way to help the show, and if you can, you can become a member by clicking Join on YouTube or on Patreon. For the low price of a cup of coffee per month. You can help support the show and literally keep the lights on. All right, let's get into it. I got my couple of guests here and we're gonna start breaking shit down. Jeane, well, welcome. Hey, long time no see. You have some of my tripods.

2:10 Speaker 3: I know we all have. We've all left evidence of one another in one another's belongings.

2:17 Speaker 2: Literally, I got out of your car at like what do we get back at it?

2:22 Speaker 3: Like two am.

2:24 Speaker 2: I got out of your car with like four bags and I looked around and I'm like, yeah, I'm good, I got everything. And then I go back in I start going through shit and I'm like, I'm missing so much shit.

2:35 Speaker 3: Yeah. We we were pumped up on some bad wah wah coffee after leaving Veto in New Jersey.

2:43 Speaker 2: Dude, that wahwa trip you. I remember you looking at me and going, hey, this is not a good representation of wahwah Because I had never been there. I didn't know to Wawa and you were just like, this is not a good representation.

3:00 Speaker 3: Huah was is at its best?

3:02 Speaker 2: No, no, not at its finest. So Gene, I'm gonna bring in Veto Veto long time no see Vito is uh what do you want to say? Perfect gaming?

3:15 Speaker 3: W damn it?

3:18 Speaker 4: Why do I have a Gene out there? Hold on a second? Uh, Veto is fine, vitos perfectly fine.

3:24 Speaker 2: And then Joe from the UAP Reporting Center who also joined.

3:29 Speaker 3: Us, Joe, love guy.

3:33 Speaker 2: How's everyone doing? So?

3:35 Speaker 3: Doing pretty good?

3:37 Speaker 2: Obviously I interviewed I think I interviewed all three of you night one with and That's what I've been going through with some of the footage, uh with you know, just the amazing memorial in the background. Such good interviews. But for the for the live what, maybe we could start with twelve o'clock go around to Gene what and this will be for everyone? What were what was your overall thought on the National Press Club event, the Virginia incident, the witnesses and you know what's next?

4:09 Speaker 3: Starting with me? Yeah, I just thought it was it was very powerful to be there and hear it in person. It was encouraging to see the room was packed. Great to see so many people in the community working together and and helping one another throughout the whole thing. I mean, you know, we did it amongst ourselves shore, but you know constant. I know, I lended a hand where I could with others and saw it happening a lot.

4:49 Speaker 5: You know.

4:50 Speaker 3: Representative Burlison, I think, you know, was fired up.

4:55 Speaker 5: Uh.

4:55 Speaker 3: He seemed much more positive than previous interviews previous to that. So, you know, overall, I think it was a good event. I think it laid a great foundation. It left. What I liked about it was the Air Force guy at the end, the Air Force kernel. You know, there's essentially there was like actions to take actually leaving on of their like here's the information, and here's where we're at, and here we need to go next. Have a it world.

5:28 Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, what did anyone else get? What is that? Did you guys hear that?

5:38 Speaker 3: Yeah?

5:38 Speaker 6: I can hear it.

5:39 Speaker 2: Vito, I needed Vita for a second. It's looping. I got home and I don't know how this happened. I don't know, and I wanted to ask you guys about this. I got home, I started going through my computer. There's just a file on my computer that says Vargenia file and there's like ninety nine videos in stuff inside.

6:01 Speaker 3: Yeah.

6:01 Speaker 2: I never downloaded that.

6:04 Speaker 6: I didn't either. I thought one of you guys like sent it to me or something. But it's on mine.

6:08 Speaker 2: Too, So you okay, I wasn't the only one who got this fucking file randomly.

6:14 Speaker 4: Yeah right.

6:15 Speaker 6: It has all the documents and videos and pictures and witness statements.

6:20 Speaker 4: It was from a QR code. Is my audio no longer looping?

6:23 Speaker 2: Yep? You would have had to press something.

6:25 Speaker 3: It doesn't.

6:26 Speaker 2: It doesn't usually work like that.

6:28 Speaker 6: Oh you know what I wonder if it's when we scanned to get in. You know, you had to scan your phone to get into the press conference.

6:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I scanned my phone. It was on my laptop.

6:41 Speaker 3: It wasn't on my phone.

6:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, but you don't. Doesn't your stuff crossed platform? You said to me like, oh, yeah, I got maybe maybe it's weird guy.

6:49 Speaker 2: It maybe. But I was just like, how the fuck did they get that on my computer because I didn't knowingly click like let's go download this. I just it was there, and I was like, huh, what the hell. One of my lights went out but sorry, Jean, So that that Air Force captain was someone who I had.

7:11 Speaker 3: Not heard from. Yeah, I liked him a lot heard from before. Yeah, well, you know, it seemed like he was just somebody who came forward based on his experience and was like, hey, I can help out. This is what a paper trail looks like, and and who we need to call for. So I thought that was that was fantastic. And the uh, the other gentleman who spoke about the was it the sort of the powers that Congress does have to grant immunity for testimony? I think was interesting. And you know, we'll see if anybody takes it to heart or road tests it, I guess interesting.

7:50 Speaker 2: All right on onto to Joe. What what What were your just overall thoughts?

7:56 Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought it was a great event. You know, I think that the more events we have like that, the better. I wish there were more of them, And and I know it's difficult, but just because I think people physically being somewhere and seeing so many people make the effort to travel to another city to support something that actually not to a convention or anything like that, but an actual hearing or a press conference, it just goes to show how many people are invested and involved in wanting the truth on this subject.

8:32 Speaker 6: I think it's I think it sends a message to Congress and to others.

8:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

8:40 Speaker 2: Not to interrupt you there, I'm sorry, you know, because you and I have been to the congressional hearings as well. It had a different feel but similar in a way. It was similar where people were coming from all over and descending upon DC for this specific event. It wasn't just like you know, people in the area, uh, you know, filling in right, It was people flew in specifically, like you know, Gene and I and and Vito and you we all like that was the one sole reason for being inc Yeah.

9:15 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I was talking even, I was talking to James and he said, right right up until, like not long before the hearing, he was like terrified that it was going to be empty. Yeah, so I don't even think he knew, like, you know, just the ground swell of support disclosure have and how people are invested.

9:37 Speaker 2: Well, let me ask this as a follow up. Were you where were where did you stand on Virginia before and where are you standing now?

9:47 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good question. I I always thought It was really really intriguing and and interesting, I could say after the here, but let me let me preface that by saying I didn't have my mind completely made up. I'm not an expert on the subject by by any stretch. But you know, I thought it was intriguing. But after seeing the witnesses, it it's answered any question I had. There is zero down in my mind that any of those witnesses were lying. You can't fake the the kind of emotion they showed during their testimony.

10:31 Speaker 6: I don't know what just happened. Are you guys still there?

10:36 Speaker 4: I'm here. He put you on the there we go. He changed, but he changes screens that like miss it was it around? Okay, he gave he gave you your your close up brother.

10:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, I gave you the floor.

10:51 Speaker 5: Thank you.

10:54 Speaker 3: Under the pressure thought we were screwing with him, we all abandoned the here, we all left, one by one. That'd be hilarious, just like yeah you got this right, yeah you later.

11:13 Speaker 2: No, but that's actually a good insight, like knowing that you weren't fully sold, but you know, seeing because there was a couple moments like especially with Carlos Desusa, I mean, I'm just gonna go out and say it. Whether whether

11:28 Speaker 2: he's gotta be he's either an award winning actor that never pursued acting. That dude is just raw telling the truth, like Rawig telling the truth. I got to speak with him close up after, and I felt the emotion in him, not even knowing his language, you know, it was going through the interpreter and then to me, I could feel it from him. And he had a couple of powerful moments at that podium.

11:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll tell you a couple of things from you know, my perspective. I noticed sort of watching again, watching the micro expressions, the interactions and and and things like that that added credibility to it. If he knows there was like a so there was a translator at the end of the table, and there were obviously prepared statements. They were you know, following down and he was going you know, off script here and there. But then there was a point where he was really going off the prepared statement and she had to kind of wrangle them in and be like, hey, let's keep it focused again.

12:34 Speaker 3: It just sort of showed he has so much to say and so much to talk about that you know, they they kind of had to put those guardrails around it because I think it's just over overwhelming and overflowing with with both information and emotion for him.

12:58 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and and you know, doctor Itelo was was someone that again I got to speak to after and I think, you know, James wanted that. I remember him in the video. I forget which podcast he was doing where he was like, you know, come ask the difficult questions. Come, you know, meet their family, meet their wife, meet there this, you know, talk to them directly. And I found that to be you know, I find that to be one of the most powerful tools in this field, especially when we're judging such complex things, because I can look into your eye and like, if you're bullshitting me, like about like getting probed by an alien, I can usually tell right, like right, there's the liars and then there's the people.

13:46 Speaker 2: You go, you don't really have too much to gain, and I just don't see what you would you would actually benefit from this. I mean, Carlos disappeared for twenty some odd years, disappeared now after so he goes to the gas station, and we can start early with this. So he sees this craft and he's a he's a pilot, not a pilot, like a commercial pilot. But he flies, Uh what it fixed wing? Gene, what are they called? Do you remember?

14:20 Speaker 3: No?

14:21 Speaker 2: No, No, he flies like r C. What are those called?

14:24 Speaker 3: Fixed wing?

14:26 Speaker 2: Yeah? Just he flies fixed wing. So he's familiar with with what something looks like in the air and how it behaves when it's in trouble and when it's not. And he describes seeing and this is very early in the morning. He's going out to fly that morning. Uh, he sees this cylindrical craft so like a cigar, white metallic and it and it's shimmering, it's shivering in the air. So it's like looks like it's in trouble. It's bowling down and up and like it's trying to maintain its bearing. And then there's this white stuff coming out at the back.

15:02 Speaker 2: Smoke is what he assumes. He never says UFOs or aliens or like. He thinks someone's gonna need help. So he peels off the highway, gets on the dirt road, comes across this this wreckage where he comes upon the metal. Now, I'm sure you guys know, what does that metal sound like? What have we ever heard that before? This metal that crumbles in your hand.

15:30 Speaker 4: And yeah, yeahswell, it's roswell.

15:32 Speaker 1: Yeah.

15:33 Speaker 2: So as soon as I heard that, right, So again it's these things and cases that are very far apart that maybe we can start to glean. We don't have to know the exact what, why, when, and where, but we can draw correlation or not correlation, but we can draw lines across and say, huh, well that's weird both talking about this same kind of metal. Thirty forty fifty sixty years is in uh in timeframe? So what is that metal and why does it keep being seen after crashes? UFO crashes specifically, he also spoke of the He spoke of the smell, so he said that he needed to cover his face.

16:18 Speaker 2: And you know, I always, I always harped on that smell, the smell of ammonia, the smell of sulfur. That's a detail that I found to be very intriguing and something that you can easily follow throughout the witnesses that essentially, if you know what we're being told is true, they have no affiliation with each other aside from this case. You know, so they all talk about this ammonia sulfur smell. And he smelled it at the at the crash as well, but he was sent away by military later, you know, intimidated by the Men in Black.

16:54 Speaker 2: What are your guys thoughts on these these this quote unquote men in Black seemingly appearing at these crash sites.

17:05 Speaker 4: I think it's linked to to Nhi personally.

17:10 Speaker 2: You know, So, yeah, it doesn't strike me as a particular even though it's human, it doesn't particularly strike me as a human like. I don't think a human craft does that play here?

17:21 Speaker 3: I think not that not that fast.

17:23 Speaker 4: As far as like the the the the n Men in Black, Oh, they're definitely linked to something like that. There's no way they can just show up. They look for and they act far and something that weird. There's just a lot to it with them, you know what I mean. It's it's it's it's weird with them. So I don't know what's at the time.

17:38 Speaker 6: Does anybody know how long after this did the Men in Black show up for Carlos?

17:43 Speaker 3: It was mere minutes, You're not minutes.

17:46 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say minutes because he went to the gas station after being so he's in the field with the debris and the military is backing him off, right, like, like, get the fuck out of here, dude, Like, you know what I mean? Right next the next time I ask, it's is I'm not asking next time? So he gets the hint. He backs off, goes to a gas station to get a couple of coffee. It's early in the morning, and it's at that gas station. He says, a car with no plate what rides up on him, and that's when they go, Carlos, you married to this person.

18:27 Speaker 2: You live at this person I mean you live at this address. Yeah, you do this for work. Okay, I remember you saw nothing. You didn't see shit, and and like, if you do say what you saw, things might get weird for you. And he took that as a threat that he said that they were foreigners, so not native Brazilian speaking. We don't know if they're American, but we weren't Brazilian. And they told him things will get weird if he started talking, so he disappeared. I mean that's something not everyone does that, right.

19:05 Speaker 6: It's strange. It's definitely strange because I would normally say they're Americans, but you know, Americans, I don't think didn't show up for quite a while after that, so I find it hard to believe that, you know, American you know, intelligence officials could show up that fast.

19:24 Speaker 3: That's why I think.

19:25 Speaker 4: That's why I think it's Nhi.

19:27 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's strange. Maybe hybrids something like that.

19:34 Speaker 3: It sounds crazy, but yeah, maybe.

19:38 Speaker 6: I'm hesitant to even say it, but I just don't know what else it would be.

19:43 Speaker 4: Maybe they're working in conjunction with a government, you know what I mean.

19:47 Speaker 2: I think if there's that's probably what I would glean towards the most is that they if there is this like quote unquote deal like this print quote quote with the government and some sort of you know, even if it's just one faction, like one species that's visiting us, like you know, if you want to go off of uh this multiple species you know, visiting us kind of mindset. Say the grays are like they're not necessarily malevolent, but they're indifferent. That could look like malevolency in some cases, right, indifferent mistaken for you know, like if from where they're from, like taking you, you know, against a lesser species, that's that's we do it.

20:35 Speaker 2: We do it the cows, we do it the fucking lions and tigers in the jungle. Gene and I had a conversation bro Gene made me laugh. I just thought of it, Gene, do you know what I thought of? Okay, anyway, ah, back to it.

20:52 Speaker 3: But it was, it was it was those last hours of the car ride, and I couldn't aliens might think of life and society today and what if it was nothing like our norms and standards that.

21:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, so if if it is one of these species that has a contract or whatever with the government, I think this would be the quote unquote agency that yeah.

21:20 Speaker 3: For sure, right keep the Men in Black?

21:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, well that's what The Men in Black ends up being based on. Right, It's probably called something completely different, of course, the Men in Black. But because a lot of people think, oh it came from the movie, no, no, no, no, the movie, like even Independence Day. Independence Day showed area fifty one before Area fifty one was even admitted.

21:45 Speaker 3: On the radar. Yeah. Yeah, that's why.

21:47 Speaker 4: That's why I say that the movies definitely give a lot of Uh. I think the movies are definitely telling a lot of truth, if that makes sense. Like, I think they're giving like kind of like Richard Doty. Richard was put out there to be like a liar, right, But then a lot about who time we find out is the truth or there's some truth in what he's saying.

22:05 Speaker 3: So I think it's a mixture of both.

22:06 Speaker 4: And I know it sounds absolutely batchit crazy, but you know, the wools here, you know, the WO sounds crazy to talk about it, but the WO is here, it's a part of it.

22:15 Speaker 2: I would agree, Yeah, it's it's for me. I think it's it's definitely something that's there because you see it in very specific cases and always the most because again, now I don't know if you want to like if this is the same group. But later on in this case that the three girls, Katya, that's the only one whose name I really remember, to be honest, Katya's mother she said that guys came into the house. You know you said about that.

22:55 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Jesus, I'm both sorry. My bad thought he was off his human suitating streamers.

23:10 Speaker 2: They come and try to do real podcasts, and they they utterly have no no respect for audio.

23:19 Speaker 3: Vito, just go ahead, sugar water.

23:22 Speaker 2: Yes, bugging sounded like the literal villain from Men in Black, but yeah, anyway, So the the mother, she says that after the girls had come forward with their story. She was visited by some non Brazilian natives. She thought they were American, she couldn't say for sure, but they offered her cash that they they quote said, could only be spent outside of Brazil, basically inferring you're gonna take your kids and you're going to get the fuck out of Dodge, you know. So that's when I start thinking something.

24:06 Speaker 2: That's when I start registering. All right, now we have two people saying they were essentially bribed or or or intimidated, right, So this case, it just it starts to look very good in terms from the witnesses perspective.

24:25 Speaker 3: So I think there's a couple of things at play here, you know, when it comes to the people who came to do the interviews that we also have to consider. So the Brazilian military, and we don't have the exact timeframe of how long from when the crash till the soldiers show up and start securing the scene is so for me, there is a little bit of a question of that time period and were there was there a military base close enough to respond and how quickly would that response be mounted versus were they potentially already tracking this object exactly would have had a mobile team out there,

25:20 Speaker 3: you know it just the order of events like that didn't seem to fill out. And then you have what's his name again, Carlos Carlos, Carlos Carlos at the gas station later and that's when he first gets his approach. So again it's before we start, you know, they get all right, interplanetary or interdimensional men in black show up and you know, start intimidating people. We got to understand. I think that order the timelines around that order of events within you know, within twelve hours, some Americans show up quite possibly right, because let's face it, all all embassies include CIA people, right, and somebody could very easily throw in their suit, jump in a helicopter.

26:16 Speaker 3: You know, they have those resources, particularly with something like this. And then when that US aircraft arrived to take everything away, so in the same one sense, stuff's got to be you know, collected, packed up, put in boxes. You probably have to build the boxes to put everything in, you know, And.

26:44 Speaker 6: We don't know, like Dean mentioned, how long they were tracking this craft. Now, was this craft hovering over Brazil for hours and hours and hours or days or who knows however long. You know, maybe the Americans put put resources is you know, where they needed to be in Brazil in case i'mlike, this should happen.

27:04 Speaker 4: But so yeah, I.

27:05 Speaker 6: Think that's probably much more likely than like Gene said, interplanetary men in black. You know, anything's possible, but that makes a lot more sense. It's why I said, you know, how long? How long? After and Jean had another great point. You know, was there a military base nearby? Does that military base have American assets on it? I mean, who knows? Well, yeah, all those things need to be figured out.

27:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, And to your point, right, we don't know were there were there reports from other cities and towns in the days prior. This might have been, you know, a week long thing for all we know. Possibly that's actually a really good point.

27:50 Speaker 4: YEA.

27:51 Speaker 2: Our entrance into this case really starts with Carlos's visual We don't know, and that would make sense for how quick the military gained on him, because he peels off the highway, he gets to the farm where the debris is and you know, he's barely able to pick up a few pieces of metal and take in what's happening before the military is coming from the opposite side, so they're clearly already on their way through, right, And this.

28:20 Speaker 3: Is what I'm you know, this is what I'm saying. We've got to again step back from the spectacle. Whether it's this or you know, anything else, we've got to step back from the spectacle, and we got to start thinking about things, you know, step by step. So let's you know, let's say this thing even crashed in the you know, in in the forest across the street from the military base, if there even were a military base there. Right, there is not a room full of people that are sitting around staring at each other all day waiting for something to happen to respond to.

28:56 Speaker 3: Everybody has a normal job that they're doing. And you know, you take that the US military, that could be any number of things. Right, There aren't specific teams sitting around waiting for something bad to happen. Something bad happens, stuff starts kicking into the gear. Everybody gets called in to all of their workplaces as the commanders begin to figure out what exactly do we need and who exactly do we need to go do that. And you're talking, you know, in the US military, you're talking at best, people in combat type positions.

29:34 Speaker 3: You know, you've got fifteen to thirty minutes sometimes to get forty people together and dressed and ready to go. So not trying to disrespect the Brazilian military in any way, but do they you know, in ninety six where they able to respond similarly in the same way that a unit with trucks and resources in personnel could get thirty people in thirty minutes, dressed in out into a field.

30:08 Speaker 4: I think they've been seeing the Kraft for a few days. Basically, they've been seeing them for over a course of either a week or so. And it was two crap, not just one. Also, I got Carlos to admit that the craft that I showed him in the video was identical to what he saw on the live stream, So that was awesome.

30:22 Speaker 6: What craft did you show?

30:24 Speaker 3: The cigar one?

30:25 Speaker 4: The silver cigar one that's on my It's on my one of my latest shorts.

30:29 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll pull it up on X But I mean, what if again, if it did look like this kind of like if we you know, assuming Darring inference here, but if these things are the same, could they have been you know, dropping from eighty thousand feet down, you know, over that area, just like you know they did with the Nimitz and then for sure something happens, right or could that be where we derived if the tic TAC technology somewhere down the line. I don't think that matters as much.

31:05 Speaker 6: Possibilities are limitless, rotten what could have been.

31:10 Speaker 2: But I think it's safe to say that the military they're clearly watching not just our airspace but the planetary airspace. There's some sort of like I don't know, response, like rapid response team that, like Jean said, they do their other jobs, but when shit goes down and they get the call, you know, they they're they're on a plane to wherever.

31:40 Speaker 6: Well America. They don't have any other job, you know. That's what I would point I was going to make in America, like Jean was saying, Yeah, thirty minutes, we have a team of seals on base ready to go.

31:51 Speaker 4: Yeah ready.

31:51 Speaker 6: I find it hard to believe that Brazil has that capability. I would think locally it's half farmer, half military. Every person round them up from the local village. You know, it's a I just think back then, especially, it would be a big difference between assets America have versus assets Brazil had it, Well, here's that can reach anywhere within thirty minutes.

32:16 Speaker 2: Basically, and within a day or two. They concede the body and the craft to the US Air Force seemingly seemingly they don't.

32:27 Speaker 4: I don't think they had a choice. They were coming, whether you wanted to or not. Like we're landing and that's that. So when the colonel said that there's going to be a paper trail.

32:36 Speaker 6: If I had a guess, I would say there's been an agreement between American allies for quite a while that if something cratches something namelyst that America is coming to get it.

32:47 Speaker 3: Dibbs, Yeah, I agree with you, absolutely, see you, guys. I think the one other aspect of that too is again resources based. You know, do would any of these other nations have the financial and technical resources to exploit whatever it is improperly investigate it? You know? So that may again it might not be just brute force that we're going in there taking it, but it very well may be a matter of that we have the capacity to handle it, to absorb it, to absorb the costs and everything associated with it, and real quick if I can.

33:30 Speaker 3: I wanted to bring something up because what part of the evidence that people were talking about were the smells and the odors. And so I dove into again my father in law's work and mentioning nothing nothing about the incident, you know, in Vargina or Brazil, but purely based upon the idea of the components that he describes being in there, if there were a crash, what smells might come from the crash. And essentially it says that the if any of the bearing feedstock escaped in a failure, the smell would be a sharp pull, bleach slash chlorine odor, and that in another part of it, if that burned in a crash, you'd get the acrid burnt plastic slash electrical insulation kind of smell that people are most familiar with, So mostly a burnt plastic, electric and chlorine type.

34:44 Speaker 3: And if I remember correctly, somebody was saying something like an ammonious smell. Yeah.

34:52 Speaker 2: And so one thing I was a little confused at was when doctor Edelo in his testimony he talked about how the body uh didn't have a like a smell He's and I don't know what if he's referring to, because this this one was alive, right, So if it was the stuff that was because That's where I got a little confused, because I'm trying to follow this sulfur smell because I think that's a very unique detail coupling the fact with that and sorry, my weed just arrived. I was I've been so concerned with where this went that I've been so unfocused.

35:39 Speaker 2: Anyway, thank you the sulfur smell, because the doctor Evelo in his testimony said the body had no smell, and that threw me off. I was like, wait a second, because I thought they had to shut the the the hospital down. So what's bringing in that smell? Is it the line that they excrete in the hot sun? That is a defense mechanism because they're actually aquatic beings giving them that red eye, horned eye look, red eye horned head look as well. I mean, I start my mind just starts going a million miles per hour.

36:17 Speaker 3: What is it? Could be?

36:19 Speaker 4: It could be a mixture of a few things. Could be the liquid that was in the craft itself that was getting on people at viscous stuff.

36:24 Speaker 2: It could got white vapor right right.

36:26 Speaker 4: It could be it could be their skin itself. They claim that a lot of the grays excrete from their skin, could be nervous tick. It could be like, you know, oh my god, I'm freaking out. I'm gonna die because you listen to what the doctor was saying, the alien looks afraid and staring out the window and then looking at him and looking out the window like he wanted to leave. So clearly, I would assume that the aliens given off some type of pheromone or or off gassing of something. You know. If that's the case, that's the only thing that I could think of, or.

36:54 Speaker 3: What your microphones at least I'm here and now don't know if anyone else. That's kind of in and out.

37:00 Speaker 2: Yeah it's stream stream yard. Yea streamyard does.

37:04 Speaker 3: Yeah. Bro, I'm like fighting with it.

37:05 Speaker 4: It's driving me crazy.

37:07 Speaker 7: Okay, wow, Now, so let me ask was there were there two different Were there reports of smells associated with the crash and smells associated with the creature in the hospital or just one.

37:22 Speaker 2: Because Okay, the Carlos smells it upon arrival at the scene. But I think it's safe to say that the craft was nowhere near the hospital, right. I think we could.

37:40 Speaker 3: Say that they the same smell at both.

37:43 Speaker 2: And they reported the same smell at both. So I don't know what it is because and that's what's throwing me off. I mean, could it just be this like smell that just encompasses like I said that the bodies like in peril, because any time we hear about the smell, it's in some sort of for the alien, for the being, it's in some sort of like situation. You wouldn't want to be in on a on a planet that you're not from, in the hot sun in January, which is summer for Brazil. Right.

38:16 Speaker 3: You know what, aren't you reminded Independence Day the movie when Will Smith the alien crashes and he first sees the alien and he knocks it out, and he's sitting having the cigar. He goes, and what is that smell?

38:35 Speaker 6: Oh that's a great point. Holy, well done.

38:39 Speaker 4: I'm telling you these movies have reality.

38:42 Speaker 6: I'm telling you, well, what did they say?

38:44 Speaker 5: Art?

38:44 Speaker 6: Art imitates life?

38:45 Speaker 4: Right? It's a slow It's a slow drip to disclosure, is what it is.

38:49 Speaker 5: Holy?

38:49 Speaker 2: How has no one brought that up before?

38:52 Speaker 6: How is bean pickall, ladies and gentlemen, how no one.

38:57 Speaker 2: Caught that detail before?

38:59 Speaker 4: Got whistling Mike in the shat?

39:00 Speaker 2: What I was saying, like, damn, bro, Well, that is very interesting because, like I said, you know when the girls come upon the creature, when Marco Sherizi comes upon the creature, and I don't even like using that word creature because it invokes this like monster in your mind. So when they come across the being, Marco, I mean, the thing's running across the street has no idea. It's like it's it's not doing well. And he grabs it and detains the thing. So that's where he gets in trouble, right, He gets a scratch and then then his antibody like something attacks his his whole system.

39:43 Speaker 2: So and then but the girls see it and it's in the corner, kind of hunched over, trying to get out of the sun. And it's slimy, it's got like some slime. Look, it's got red eyes and horns. They think they see a demon. I mean sulfur smell red eyes. I'd think it was a demon too.

40:01 Speaker 4: And the ones the ones that sort of locks eyes with it, and it says, either leave me alone or help me.

40:05 Speaker 2: And that's another theme I was gonna bring up, is this telepathic like communication between So it's like what when you look at directly in the eyes, mm hmm something. Maybe that's where you entangle with it, like where where it can entangle itself with your consciousness or so. I don't know that, I don't think, but there's That's another commonality is most of the witnesses had I would I would be so interested if we could hear from Marco Sherisi today if he had any while he's holding it, right, he's holding it for the right length of a car ride to the hospital.

40:46 Speaker 2: I mean, you have to you have to start pondering, like did he because he was also pretty okay with everything in the hospital while he was dying. From what I understand, he he knew that something wasn't right, the story, what they were telling it wasn't right. But he told his sister and I think you can quote me on this, this story is going to change the world. What did he know or what did he think was going to happen?

41:17 Speaker 6: Well, he was holding an alien in his arms. The thing you got to take from that point of view, he's like, holy shit, you know, like public finds out about this, it's it's you know, the world changes, right.

41:31 Speaker 3: He thinks all the same, you know, the New York Times are going to show up. He doesn't realize it's going to take quite the opposite term. Right.

41:38 Speaker 2: And his mother, his mother is someone who's very interesting and I remember talking to you guys about this on the on the right home. His mother, she went along with the state secret She the sister describes her as being complacent.

41:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think happened?

41:58 Speaker 4: She probably they probably scared the sh at her, probably said no choice, right, do this or else.

42:04 Speaker 2: Your son died a hero. They probably gave her that hole speed.

42:07 Speaker 4: And then here's the other thing, sorry, go ahead about they're talking about zooming the body, right, what if that body is not there? Or what if it's a different body that that right there is going to be like the biggest And that was a question I wanted to ask. But they, you know, everybody, that guy was yelling about freaking politics. That was my question, Joe, when we were saying I want to ask a question, that was what I wanted to ask. Well, you know, what's the what's the status of the body?

42:33 Speaker 4: What if the body's not there? Because because that guy was right, that guy was right, if it's I look at it from from a work biological hazard standpoint. You can't go putting a biological hazard like that in the grounds. If he did die from that, you just can't do that, like you'll you'll contaminate everything, especially it being alien and he did if he if he did hypothetically die from that, they all do know. You can't just go stick in a body in the ground with God knows what isn't it?

42:54 Speaker 2: No, theyerd him right, So that was that's a great point. I didn't even think about that, dude.

43:01 Speaker 4: And then and then we got to test the DNA for the body. What if it's what it's totally not him, you know what I mean. So that's my thoughts. I know it's part of the will, but I put enough in past him. You saw that people cut Dylan Borland's break lines. You know, they threw somebody to have a fourteen story window. I think of all the crazy ship that's been done, then this is nothing.

43:19 Speaker 2: Allegedly we got up, we got up, we gotta be fair here, allegedly cut his brake lines.

43:27 Speaker 6: I think he'd make it up.

43:28 Speaker 4: The dude who got lost launch out of the window. I believe that happened, and I don't believe he decided I want to fly today because he was looking to get out, you know what I mean, he was like, oh, its flapped my fre wings.

43:37 Speaker 3: Let's be honest.

43:43 Speaker 4: Yes, I always forget his name.

43:45 Speaker 6: I think they either threw him out of the window or they trend his family and he did one of one or the other.

43:53 Speaker 3: Before we go down, Before we get too fire off track, each of you had some kind kind of time one on one with the witnesses, So I think it'd be good for everybody listening, Like if you can each kind of take a few minutes and go through the just the one on ones that you had, you know, and let's do it uninterrupted. So really, you know, what were you what did you talk about? What were your thoughts? How did they you know? Again, what was the read? Because that's you know, those are the points where you're up close and personal.

44:28 Speaker 3: So I mean, let's I think that's worth giving a little bit of attention to, you know, without distraction.

44:36 Speaker 6: I have to jump off here, I was gonna say. First, Yeah, so I I didn't talk to the witnesses afterwards. There are just too many people. I didn't feel like playing with the crowd. But I thought the witnesses were phenomenal. I thought the event was an absolute success. I don't think it does anything but move the conversation forward for disclosure. The more media that that the disclosure subject gets, the better. I think it was awesome meeting you guys there. It was you know, meeting some other people in our community.

45:13 Speaker 6: There was great, and I just think the whole thing was success. Congratulations to James Fox for putting that together. And one thing I do want to say is James Fox is a very intelligent guy and a very impressive guy, and you can tell by talking to him for one second that he wholeheartedly believes in this case with every fiber of his being. So either everybody involved in this case is a master con artist and pulled the wool over his eyes, or there there is some there there, and I don't think there's any question about that.

45:49 Speaker 6: So hopefully we can keep digging and just keep uncovering the truth about what happened in Virginia. But thanks for having me on and great show.

45:57 Speaker 3: And UAP reporting center on X well.

46:02 Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, you and be reporting center on X same thing on YouTube, So give me a follow. I'm always posting stuff and I appreciate.

46:10 Speaker 2: It, alright, bro all right, gee host and dude, is I love it? I gotta do nothing. Uh, Joe, let's end wrangle cats.

46:20 Speaker 3: That's all.

46:22 Speaker 2: Soon. I'd love to I'd love to collab on something, man.

46:25 Speaker 6: Yeah, anytime.

46:26 Speaker 3: Just let me know. Take care, all right.

46:30 Speaker 2: And then it was three, So Vito, you're up next when you got to sit and stand with the witnesses.

46:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, so the same as Joe, I really didn't tell I wanted to just ask a question into Q and I. The only reason one I got to speak to was Carlos with the question of the of the craft, and that blew my mind because like he took a look at it for a second and was like, that is identical to what I saw, like literally identical. So that was the best part. But yeah, like Joe, it, I didn't want to bother and it was too many people in their faces and stuff like that.

47:04 Speaker 3: I showed I showed James Fox the video.

47:07 Speaker 4: He was his mind was kind of blown at that, and I said, you know, Carlos said, this was the VI, this is the vehicle. This is identical to what he saw. So that was about it. I mean, like I said, I was just chilling with like Nicoatelli and Geno from the WiFi is a couple of other guys that just walking around and live stream and I wasn't doing Yeah, I didn't do a lot of interviews.

47:23 Speaker 2: At the end, I'm trying to find.

47:26 Speaker 3: You seem to got got a moment with Megan.

47:29 Speaker 4: Yes, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta.

47:30 Speaker 3: I got a fun.

47:31 Speaker 4: Little moment with Megan uh where we pranked Bigfoot Disclosure Dyers as well, because he's been he kind of like got us a couple. I love his videos by the way. I think it's I think the I think we need more of that. We need more levity in a community and and enough of the drama and the hatred and you know the docxing. We need just more more togetherness and more like what the four of us did. I didn't know you guys from Adam. We got together in a car, we drove, We had a great time. Joe joined us because he didn't he didn't take the ride with it because he came from PA and it was a last We need more of that, like anytime there's something like that.

48:02 Speaker 4: And I can get the time off. As long as you two boys are down, I'm down. Let's do it. Yeah, get up for asses and get out there. I loved it.

48:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was some of the most more. I would say that that was probably one of, if not the highlights of this year so far. And I know it's only been fucking one month out of the year. It's been a long This month has been.

48:26 Speaker 3: A long month. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah right, But.

48:31 Speaker 2: That's what this whole thing, you know, the moral, the theme, the things that we kept touching on is is leaving this digital world behind and getting out. Touching grass is as as kind of cliche as it sounds, like getting out and and and getting boots on the ground and just you know, whether you know I've done that before, I've I've I've grown almost addicted to it at this point. Is actually like when an event like this happens, I almost feel a fear of missing out if I'm not there. And that is because of the opportunities the even just like the feeling of like sitting in the room while while it's happening, even if you weren't a streamer podcaster, just being there and hearing it for your own ears, not watching it online, like it just brings a heavier toll with it.

49:30 Speaker 2: It impacts you more because you're in the room. You feel the electricity, you feel the vibe, you feel what had to come together, everything that had to work, every piece of the puzzle, they had to come together to show this final landscape.

49:45 Speaker 4: And I definitely had fomo of leaving early in Joe staying at night extra. I absolutely had fomo. I wanted to stay so.

49:51 Speaker 3: Bad, right right, Yeah, that was getting tired. Where did you guys go?

49:54 Speaker 2: I'm like, shit, I stayed a while after cod packed in the desert and it wasn't like I had a I had a fear of why didn't I leave already?

50:09 Speaker 1: Oh?

50:09 Speaker 3: Is that bad?

50:10 Speaker 2: Yeah?

50:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to I'm definitely need to look into Contact. Brother, I gotta I gotta find out. Contact is just like I want to.

50:15 Speaker 2: Go days and by the end of it, people are just like, dude, I'm out of here. I'm out of here.

50:22 Speaker 4: I can see that. I can totally see that. But I think it'd be blessed the three or four of us go into Contact together.

50:27 Speaker 3: Can then.

50:29 Speaker 2: Like, can you just DM it to me? I'm looking on your page. I can't find it.

50:33 Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to bring one other thing about that ride, I'm looking forward to the Ty was taking a lot of videos along that trip, and yeah, he was sneaking now and then, so there's gonna be some good outtakes in that.

50:46 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. Anytime it was like silence and like, what is he doing back there?

50:49 Speaker 3: I look back, you know it.

50:52 Speaker 4: But but I don't get to experience that often because usually it's me with the camera. So it was great to like not be the direct So I thank you for that, you know what I mean, Like it was so good to just be the pretty face in front of the camera occasionally, you know what I mean.

51:06 Speaker 3: It was so thank you the usually what you do.

51:10 Speaker 2: There was one point where I'm on the second floor of the hotel and I'm looking down on you guys, and you guys are having some drinks and it's, uh, it's all of you everyone, Yeah, you Totelli, Gino. I'm looking down on you guys and you guys cheers, and then I saw Geene ended up catching my eye and he looked up and saw me, but no one else did for the whole time, and I got some of the shot where you guys toast. I was like, I could not have scripted that, right, I could not have scripted that myself.

51:45 Speaker 2: I mean I could have, but it would have it wouldn't have looked the way you.

51:50 Speaker 4: Get it, just like right, it was.

51:52 Speaker 3: It was.

51:53 Speaker 4: It was candid love. It was moments. Candid moments are everything to me. I can't stand contrived. And also, thank god you're not one of those guys that are like, let's do another two, because I probably would have choked you. I can't do the fake.

52:06 Speaker 3: I love real. It's got to be real.

52:08 Speaker 2: I get what you get, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I did. I did get the I have it on video too of my conversations with both the witnesses. Actually, while I was talking to Carlos to SUSA, all of a sudden, I'm asking him very very pointed, very very specific questions, and all of a sudden from above me, I see a boom, mic come over me.

52:36 Speaker 5: What the fuck me?

52:41 Speaker 2: It was the Brazilians. Uh yeah, they they they just started because I was asking such good questions and like had such a flow.

52:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you were up there, dude. I was like, you know what, there's no point, Ty's got it.

52:53 Speaker 2: Yeah.

52:53 Speaker 3: I was up there.

52:54 Speaker 2: I was flowing. I had the translator like me and her. I talked to her for a few minutes before I'm like, you know this what I want to ask? Can you can we do this? And then just Brazilian camera crew just started surrounding me. But I asked when I was with Carlos, I kept saying, I specifically looking into his eyes. He has these he has these eyes that it's almost like you're looking into the like the and I don't want to sound certain way about this. I am a straight male, but he has very nice eyes hypnotized.

53:34 Speaker 2: I'm talking to him and it's almost like I can feel what he's feeling. And every time I thank.

53:40 Speaker 3: Him, very very sincere.

53:42 Speaker 2: Every time I say thank you know what you're doing it takes it takes heart because you have to, like, you know, when it's a different language and there's that barrier, you start talking like a fucking You're talking to a two year old for some reason, it's weird. But so I'm like expressing myself like a baboon and I'm like, but he then he flips it every time and he said, no, I wouldn't be telling this story if it wasn't for the warm embrace I felt from this community. This, you know, James Fox the moment of contact film.

54:17 Speaker 2: So you know, just they that the reason they are coming forward, people like that are coming forward right now, are because they feel comfortable with an audience like us.

54:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's such an important point, Tye. And you know, if we can only imagine there the limited contact really that they had with Americans in this space, they're mostly relying on, you know, James and his small team who incidentally some of the Gavin Evolution, some of the guys who were assisting him, Yes, show that, I mean.

54:55 Speaker 4: Shot a lot of a lot of more experiences too, Like they're good people.

54:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, Gavin story they have. I mean, that's what I said. I don't care what you feel about James Fox or anything. That was a top class event. You can see the resources that were poured into that, not to make it a spectacle, but to make it accessible. You know, the translators, the crew, the ability to interact with that with the crew and talk to them, and you can tell those guys were our top professionals themselves, and so that, you know, that's the first impression that these witnesses from Brazil are getting.

55:44 Speaker 3: And then they come here and they look and there's a room full of people who are interested, who are there, and being supportive and not attacking them.

55:55 Speaker 8: Again as asking thoughtful questions about their experiences, and to have representative Burleson in the front row. And then the there was a representative of the brazil or a Brazilian senator who was there not officially representing the Brazilian Senate. He came of his own accord, on his own dime to support these witnesses, but spoke a lot about the interest in cooperating, you know, and with with the Americans.

56:31 Speaker 3: Do you help them?

56:32 Speaker 2: Do you think they will? Jean, I got a question, what's the legal authority to exhuom that body? What would we have to go through or what what would have to Would you have.

56:44 Speaker 3: To get permission from the parents? I would assume, like, well it would, I mean it would be the it would be the brazil So again it's according to Brazilian laws. So I don't know the Brazilian laws much more generally, right it is, well they might again they might be much more restrictive in some ways from a cultural slash religious background, But all that aside, generally, what does it take to exhume a body? It takes evidence after the after the burial that would lead to you know, a reasonable suspicion or reasonable cause or probable cause to question the manner of death, and the only way to resolve it is to re examine the body.

57:43 Speaker 3: Again, So that's at least the standard in the US. Would the same evidence presented to a US judge to exhume the body be granted, you know, I don't. I don't know what that standard of evidence is in Brazil, right, it's got to be.

58:07 Speaker 4: But whatever their laws are, tie that the link is in the chat.

58:12 Speaker 2: Oh thank you, yeah, because I would I when they had mentioned that, I was like, oh damn that that would be. That would be a power move if they could do that. But then again, like are we are we crossing a line at that point? Because like morally, are we crossing a line? Just to just to like it's a real gray area, because like in my head, I'm like, God, I don't know if this is right, Like I don't know if this is should we be going this far?

58:44 Speaker 3: Right?

58:45 Speaker 2: Then again?

58:45 Speaker 3: Why you know? And that's the whole thing. Is it a matter of based on this new evidence or based on the evidence that's now come forward because of all of this, they want to examine, is there is they're potentially a biological danger of some kind that's posed to the ground and ground water. That's a case that might be able to be made. Right, So somebody they think, oh, you know, this person got shot and they buried them, and then they found out, oh, he got shot with a you know, uranium bullet and it's still lodged inside the body and it's radioactive.

59:23 Speaker 3: You can bet you're they're going to exhume the body, remove the buried and the lead and all the rest of it. So, you know, if that's the case, they're trying to make that there is, or that by changing the cause of death has some net benefit for the family, perhaps historical significance. Again, we've seen historical figures who were exhumed to solve their murders. But you know, we're talking centuries sometimes after the initial burial, you know, So I I think it's a good thing to follow, something good to dig into a little bit more to understand the laws and literally the rationale behind the exempt the exooming the body, and again for the public body.

1:00:15 Speaker 3: We're all out there, you know, talking about this stuff. Let's get people's heads around the idea right, they don't just exum bodies because somebody said, you know it was because of an alien and you know these are long legal you know, legal and medical professionals have to agree that there is a valid reason to do it. Right.

1:00:39 Speaker 4: I wonder do they cremate in Brazil? Like is it is it? Is it mandatory? That's a good question.

1:00:47 Speaker 3: They want to be talking about exooming anybody if there was mandatory cremation. Oh yeah, right, you're right, right.

1:00:52 Speaker 2: So like I wonder someone said, I wonder what the grave site would be? Like I do too, I wonder if there is a grave site, like is there's some sort of memorial to him? Is that where he really is?

1:01:06 Speaker 3: Because you know, I just well again, in Brazil, the regular person, his family would have buried him. You know, however, the family buries it and it's you know, not going to be a giant you know, UFO with you know, but Allen had flowers around it just because he was involved in this incident.

1:01:26 Speaker 2: Right. Well, I guess more of my question is is if he died from an alien bacteria, right.

1:01:34 Speaker 3: Or an alien as.

1:01:38 Speaker 2: God can get me fucking canceled for that, I know. But if he died of some sort of like literally like unknown non human biologically something. Would they even release the body to the mother? Right? Would they even like was that something that.

1:02:05 Speaker 4: Should you can you take the chance of that getting loose? You have to think about that. You can't.

1:02:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, if we're basing it on. Okay, this really happened, right, That's the way he died. By what these people said. There was some sort of infection that they threw the fucking they threw the They threw every antibiotics, slash, you know, tool they had at it from their bat belt, and nothing even you know, remotely worked. His body essentially started working against him. I assume that's not something you just release.

1:02:39 Speaker 4: No, And I'm scared of it, of that of them weaponizing whatever that was, God forbid they can weaponize it. And now they turn on a don't trust this ship man, don't trust you.

1:02:50 Speaker 3: And that's what you're saying, we're getting excited about. They they very they very well could have just buried, you know, somebody else side boulders.

1:02:58 Speaker 4: Taking that taking there's no way to put that body in the grounds.

1:03:01 Speaker 3: Right. They have to still have to be you know, worked through and and and understood before I think they there's ever a shovel going shovel in the ground doesn't happen in anytime soon.

1:03:15 Speaker 2: He said it it's I I could have swore they said it was like nothing they'd ever seen before.

1:03:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, but even if it was still from the alien So you don't know what what specifically it was, you know what I mean?

1:03:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, and someone said I'm from Brazil, I'd be be o Tavia, I'd be what is the cultural like like worst case scenario if they're like really religious, what what would what would the the line and the sand be? You know, would they do You think they could actually pull off something like exooming that body? And if not, why does the Brazilian Congress just sub poena Eric Lopes? What's I mean, he's alive, you know where he is?

1:04:01 Speaker 3: I mean again, very much the same you know, we say that of our own politicians comparatively.

1:04:08 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, why didn't they do this? Because it's because they know they're the complicit in it. That's why.

1:04:13 Speaker 2: Well, the I think, is it what they show it in a moment of contact, the is it the governor or mayor? I don't know. I think Virginia is kind of like a little big city like not like New York, but maybe like uh like.

1:04:29 Speaker 4: Uh, I'm curious if it's a hot lawrence, Like, hey, good idea.

1:04:39 Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna run in the I'm gonna go in the background here, and I'm going to run the characteristics and see where it sits on the on that chart of optimum conditions for craft operations.

1:04:54 Speaker 4: I was also really taken it back by the soldier's story with the soldier who basically said, I saw the body, I transported it, but he was completely incognito and voice altered. That's the one that really stuck out to me was him, because it's like, all right, dude, like you you saw some shit. The colonel's story was great to me, But I don't think there's a paper trail. I think if the United States are doing some dark shit like this, they're just showing up and doing what they want. They're not going to leave a paper trail.

1:05:20 Speaker 4: I think that's I mean, I don't know how military works, but I'm assuming black ops is just that you don't need to know. We ain't telling you shit.

1:05:29 Speaker 3: But beyond the you know, the paperwork trail is super would be super. But I think the bigger takeaway that the colonel was talking about is there are at least thirty or forty people who were involved in a sudden trip to Brazil in nineteen ninety six, and they might not know why they were going there, They might not know what was on the plane. They just know they went there and they came back and calling on and that those people, you know, he said they're upwards of seventy. Now I would say, you know, they're possibly even a little bit younger.

1:06:10 Speaker 3: You know, there are some sixty year old retirees perhaps or former Air Force members who would have had a hand in that operation and calling them forward not to say, you know, you know, did you see an alien body? Did you see a UFO? Just the fact did the flight happen? You know? Can you recall how many boxes of materials were brought on? Was there anything strange? Did it strang? Were there any rumors were there was there anybody else who got on the plane with you? There's a lot of information again from that that can be extracted.

1:06:52 Speaker 3: It's just identifying those people. And so I took his message as more of that call out for anybody who who was watching, anyone who had a family member who served in the Air Force in the nineties and might have flown see seventeen's you know, go ask Grandpa, you know, go ask Uncle Bob if he knew anything about this.

1:07:16 Speaker 4: So UFOs around the road just said something about why did anybody else get it on there?

1:07:20 Speaker 3: The infection?

1:07:22 Speaker 4: It's because he was the only one that got scratched. That's what happened. I guess whatever that liquid was got into his cut and that's what caused it. Ty, I sent it to your text message the exact the video itself.

1:07:34 Speaker 2: Okay, but the yeah, I think the infection part was.

1:07:40 Speaker 4: I mean, because he got a cut sunder his arm.

1:07:42 Speaker 2: Marco Marco, so Eric Lopes was the superior officer, you know, the higher rank, and they were in like the personal car they got the call to like Eric Lopes specifically. So Marco kind of only dies because he's friends with Eric, friendly enough where Eric got sent on a call and Eric was like, hey, you want to come, you know, want to come with me. I got this bullshit call like be on the lookout for something strange. I want to just drive around with me, And then they come across the fucking thing.

1:08:16 Speaker 2: It runs right across the road. Marco, being the passenger, gets out and and grapples the thing, has a little tussle. That's where he got scratched, right.

1:08:27 Speaker 3: Because raw dogs in bare hands crazy.

1:08:30 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, dude, that he did raw dog and alien. That's great.

1:08:36 Speaker 4: No way in hell I'm doing that. I don't know what's on that alien, and I ain't get nowhere near it.

1:08:40 Speaker 2: But think about that. That's what they sent them out with this amount of information, right, Hey, be on the lookout for something strange. Like what does that mean? What does that mean? So Eric says, hey, Marco, like I just got this, you know, like I just got this bullshit call. We're gonna want to go. We're gonna go blockade Virgin looking for some you know what they probably think is like some got out of the zoo, right, something got out of the zoo. You know whatever. We're gonna have to go fucking wrangle it up with the fire department.

1:09:12 Speaker 2: Just another night on the job and in Vargenia, right, and next thing you know, they come across this thing that's maybe not from this dimension. Right, they're not geared up for that, they're not bacterial suits.

1:09:28 Speaker 4: And as the resident career firefighter. It's it's silly to say, but like, legitimately we get called for some of the craziest ship and it doesn't put I wouldn't. I wouldn't think twice if we got a call for an alien, you know what I mean? Yeah, random shit, it really is.

1:09:45 Speaker 2: Again, they're not they're not even calling for an alien. They're saying, be on the lookout for something strange.

1:09:50 Speaker 4: Right, And they caught They caught it with a net, which makes me laugh, Like that's just throwing a freaking net on an alien.

1:09:55 Speaker 2: It's like, hey, yeah, and that was the one that happened separate. So I think the creature, the being that Marco SCHERIZI caught, I think is the same one that the girls saw. Yeah, yesh thing because when they do the when they do the the full view of the like the area, it's he's in that same area. But the fire department earlier that morning had caught the one that ends up.

1:10:27 Speaker 4: You know.

1:10:28 Speaker 3: In the box in the box.

1:10:30 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so I don't know what happens, but that one doesn't make it out alive. It doesn't sound like and then the one Marco that's a that's something again that I I wanted to try to clear up, but I didn't really I don't think it got cleared up because I want to know that was there? Two?

1:10:49 Speaker 3: Was it?

1:10:49 Speaker 2: Three? What do they think?

1:10:51 Speaker 7: Like?

1:10:52 Speaker 2: Did one of them get away? Because again there was just again there's other witnesses said that they're a crack. Was above Virginia a couple of days later doing a grid search. Did one of them get out?

1:11:09 Speaker 5: Like?

1:11:11 Speaker 2: What are the ins and outs?

1:11:13 Speaker 3: We they were talking about going you know, the team was headed headed back to Brazil. Did either of you glean any insights into you know? I did not? What was they got?

1:11:28 Speaker 4: They got mobs? So like you couldn't really you know what I mean?

1:11:33 Speaker 5: You did?

1:11:34 Speaker 3: You did? Yeah?

1:11:35 Speaker 4: I just I don't like I hate crowds.

1:11:39 Speaker 3: The question was, yeah, their insights into you know, they there, so they were talking about their going back, the James and the entire team, any ideas what they're sort of the the next phase of this is going to look like did you glean.

1:11:58 Speaker 2: That it's the thirtieth anniversary because remember ninety six, we're on two thousand and six. Now, in two thousand and six, Jesus.

1:12:07 Speaker 4: That's as long as I've been with my wife says ninety six.

1:12:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, so thirty the thirty year anniversary. So actually on the thirtieth they're they're doing something, They're doing a big press conference and then Brazilian media, so the Brazilian TV is they're doing this like three or four part series on Virginia. So I think that along with moment of contact, along with just this case kind of being kicked back up and freshened people's minds with everything that's going on, the town clearly embraces it, right. We see that the mayor of the town is like, you know, I think it happened like talking to James, showing around, YadA YadA.

1:12:53 Speaker 2: So I think we are in a place that we may see someone like Eric Lope's flip the next couple of years. I think. I think, I think what James is chasing right now is obviously the video. The video would be that's the crim Della crim.

1:13:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's that's the that's the key to everything.

1:13:14 Speaker 3: Wondered some detail on that too, because I think we sort of skirted over this this video and the role of the video and what it supposedly shows and everything too. Yeah, that's what that's video circulating right, we've seen I've seen a couple of them on XO box. The guy video circulating, you know, supposedly, So again to clarify the for the audience, there has been no scoomy. There has been no video release or obtained, and what you're watching that's being circulated right now is likely a yes.

1:13:51 Speaker 3: So yeah, if you want to, you know, dive into what that video the details of that, that would be good. So we sort of know what to expected.

1:14:00 Speaker 2: Multiple multiple people, all right, I'm gonna drop you down. Then multiple people including Military X, who was going to come forward. So that dude, Military X is at as he is at a point right now where he was willing to come public in the United States in DC. His visa got denied. Why that's another question. But Military X when he saw the being that he there was another member of the army that was there that had this camera like strapped like just a camera around his neck, like one of those like video cameras you know that that that you can hold.

1:14:53 Speaker 2: So it was around the the service personnel's neck. He wasn't filming anything at the moment, but he had known that it. I mean, you didn't just bring it for no reason right, this had clearly filmed something and it filmed the body was right there. He could he never saw the the what was what got filmed, but he knows the existence because he saw the camera there in the same room with the being, someone who's clearly there to document it on film. Now where that film went, I don't know. But several of the doctors also have either seen or have a video that was shot separately, so this is something that was shot entirely.

1:15:43 Speaker 2: I think. I think it's these are two different videos. So the doctors got their hands on something that they had them filmed themselves of the being and then but the military also has something, so they're they're really pressing the angle for the doctors and they think that's their best shot at obtaining whatever video evidence they can. I don't think the Brazilian government or whoever ended up with that military X spoken about footage that's locked away and some government, you know, deep state facility, I would assume.

1:16:17 Speaker 2: But the doctor's video has been rumored to exist. James confirmed and existed, and then he has slowly started to make relationships because he says he has a mole at the hospital who pointed them in the direction of doctor et Aloe and all these guys. So that's his source. You know, that's because a lot of people were questioning Oho is the same guy that James got on videos saying nothing happened? And James was like, yeah, he was lying. He was people lie until they're ready, not to right in a heart attack and cancer made say I'm not going to the grave with this.

1:17:02 Speaker 2: The other guy that that did see the video and knows everything I know, he's already dead. So if I die, this story dies with me.

1:17:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

1:17:13 Speaker 3: And yeah, because so my understanding correct me if I got it wrong, is that they had they had been approaching doctor Ilo through the years. Yes, and he denied, denied, denied, yep, as you said, got ill was in the hospital with a heart attack, and then the next time he knew James was in town, he sought James out. Yes, right, is that correct?

1:17:38 Speaker 2: That is correct?

1:17:39 Speaker 3: Because he felt this, you know, he needed to get the burden off his chest.

1:17:44 Speaker 2: So to speak, unburdened because he just didn't want to imagine. And then so really, really the question becomes, where's that fucking video? Right? And how how critical is it? Does it become the only next step that could move this case forward. I argue no, but some might argue that that's the only thing that will seal the deal.

1:18:14 Speaker 4: Wow and Android Android said in my chat that the CIA director of ninety ninety six is still alive, John and John and Douche eighty seven years old, and it was the CIA who denied James Fox the foyer request. So I think he's the one to start with personally.

1:18:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting eighty seven. So I mean for you guys, like what would like is the video the only thing that that you would accepts as evidence to this case?

1:18:49 Speaker 4: Video footage of the footage of the craft. Footage was something. I mean, I believe it happens. Believe it happens. I don't deny. I don't doubt for a second that it happens. There's too many eyewitnesses, there's too many people with the same story that's never changed. I loved seeing that the little girls are all grown up and seeing what they've become. One's a teacher wants this, one's that they're all irrespectable and they're like, they're all none of them are fuck ups, basically like they're all respectable in their fields.

1:19:15 Speaker 4: I think one was like a nurse, one was a teacher. One sister did this, one sister did that, and their story's never changed. So I loved it. I mean I thought it was great. And like I said, I love the soldier's testimony. I thought that was the key. And yeah, noticed that he's the one who's who uh who's visa got canceled, you know what I mean? The soldier who's gonna.

1:19:33 Speaker 2: Come from one of either way we would have if he had gotten his visa and I and I spoke to Marco Leal Marco. Marco is a very good friend of mine, and he was the one who made sure that I was going to be able to talk to everybody. Marco, he's his visa got denied. He's the fucking he's the he was the boots on the ground for this whole thing, and his visa got denied.

1:20:04 Speaker 4: What short short of even even if the video is brought out, people would deny it short of an alien being dragged out, you know, in ANET, no one's going to believe it.

1:20:15 Speaker 3: They're just not.

1:20:15 Speaker 2: We would have just we we would have seen, we would have seen and been this this. If you think that press conference is something, if military ex had stepped up onto that podium for the first time, showing his face, his rank, everything, and gave his testimony about seeing the being and you know how his whole life that that testimony for a moment of contact that he gives right at the end when he when he if we if we were, if he was able to do that, I think that would have been I think that would have sent this over.

1:20:51 Speaker 2: And I think they stopped it from happening. So I think they let just any album.

1:20:59 Speaker 3: We don't we don't need convincing, right, we don't. Does it push it over? Does the video it's exciting? You know, yeah, that would be exciting. While I'd love to see it, but you don't need to convince me. I think as Veto is saying, right, it fits the patterns. I think the people are credible. You know, the the details somewhat matter less in the grand scale of what it is that we're trying to achieve, and what we're trying to achieve collectively is disclosure. Transparency from the government that begins to how the normalization within society of the idea that there are things in the sky we can't explain, and whatever else it is that comes from it.

1:21:54 Speaker 3: You know, whether it's immediate or in the preceding generations or the generations going forward. I guess who will learn and experience more than any than any of us do. And so you know, what does the video what does a video coming forward do it's again going to be does it does it grab the attention of the mainstream media of the science community as there you know, are there materials and you know, slides and things like that that people are going to be able to examine that that get us towards that.

1:22:37 Speaker 3: So I don't think that any one thing that is going to happen is going to necessarily blow the lid off of it. And you know, all of a sudden, you know, walking down the street to McDonald's and there's UFO is going by, like uh, you know, it's a normal Monday morning.

1:22:55 Speaker 2: There's no alien UFO highway above route too.

1:22:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, and and and so that's why I think it's we've gotta we've got to be responsible and try and manage expectations to a degree with whatever it is that comes out. It is another piece of the puzzle. It hopefully adds it hopefully garners more attention from people that normally don't pay attention to this. That's why I'm thankful for nation.

1:23:27 Speaker 9: Yeah conversations, but that's why I think this press conference, if it had to if it had been everything that they that James said it to be right with with military X coming forward for the first time, unveiling who he is in DC at that, I think maybe that.

1:23:49 Speaker 2: Would have got on like Fox's radar, right that maybe that would have elevated it that much more like an actual like even even though the neurosurgeon is a very very vital like he his testimony, you could argue is is.

1:24:05 Speaker 4: More I felt it, like like I felt it when he was like, I didn't want to die with this ship on my conscience.

1:24:10 Speaker 2: But someone from the middle came came up there for the first time, showed themselves, you know, Congress Brazilian Congress members there, and then you know all the people that were there supposed to be because there was like four other people too, I think Marco military acts of them all together, I think it would have elevated it to another level. So this might not be the only time.

1:24:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, And if we look at it from the perspective of not just the you know, not just this community and not just whatever information because there was a lot of talk around. You know, I wonder how many you know, counter intel operatives there are in the room and Gena, what's that? Geno's in my chat? I'm sorry, So if you know, and and that there's counterintelligence operatives in the audience and things like that, And I kept saying, good because if if they are there to collect information, and they're there to collect that information on who was in the room, right, look at who is in that room?

1:25:17 Speaker 3: Who was in that room? Right? There were media professionals, a lot of PhDs, researchers, you know, military ex military people, government, government officials, government representatives. So it's you know, it's not your East bumpfuck. Yeah, you know, invention West bubblefuck right, right, you know it's not you know, it's it's it's not that.

1:25:50 Speaker 2: And guys like Jeff there, guys.

1:25:52 Speaker 4: Like that room got was there, Yeah, got packed, dude, Les.

1:26:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, Whitney Whitney Striver, Yeah, yeah. Leli kean.

1:26:06 Speaker 2: She for all its errors, for all its errors. The twenty seventeen New York Times article that really it was the catalyst that brought along the wave of change that we're currently seeing in the topic of you athology.

1:26:22 Speaker 3: Right, So if there's if there's an intel operative in that room collecting that information, who's there and what conversations are happening and what does this mean towards disclosure? And they said, listen, this is this is getting this is very professionalized. These are serious people with legitimate backgrounds and highly credentialed and highly smart. And and you know there's x percent of that audience were streamers and independent journalists. And you know Martin Willis, our friend, Martin Willis tie from a podcast UFO, who's been doing the thirty years.

1:26:58 Speaker 2: Themselfary fucking place.

1:27:00 Speaker 3: I go, I look everywhere. He was right there, he was with Science Bob. I had the chance to you know, the chance.

1:27:09 Speaker 2: By the way, Bob, you owe me a fucking hour, you bastard an hour.

1:27:16 Speaker 3: Wait, somebody tagged science Bob. He's been pulled out. Yeah, so I think you know from the who from they looking in at that event, if they're trying to gauge the movement in the momentum and they try to measure, you know, can't can the four hundred c you know, auditorium at the National Press Center get filmed filled that that question was answered resoundingly.

1:27:52 Speaker 4: Yes, that definitely got filled.

1:27:54 Speaker 3: And that people are coming in from all over, from all over the country, and even to to Megan's credit and and not you know, to bad mouth you know, News Nation. Megan flew in there on her own dime. And I was gonna touch on that.

1:28:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm grateful for Megan, and and yeah, and and and and the fact that they're going on their own money. Like she she didn't get paid to go there to do that. She it came out of her pocket. He bought a brand new iPhone, that little adorable pink holder she had with it. Like, dude, it's it's messed up, man. For somebody like that. That's moving the needle. Her and Ross are moving the needle on this stuff, getting it out to normal people. It's making it to where like my friends who normally not can make fun of me for this ship are are asking me questions about it.

1:28:40 Speaker 4: So like it's it's doing what it's supposed to do.

1:28:43 Speaker 3: And and and you guys know, you know, I had well before we knew Megan was going to be there, I had was in communication with Ross and I said to him, we are going there and are gonna have video. I don't know if you have anything going on or whatever, but would be happy to share. You know what, what these guys are all we'll you'll throw you whatever they have if you if you'd like it. And then he you know, say, oh well a Megan is going to go now.

1:29:06 Speaker 2: So yeah, just just.

1:29:09 Speaker 3: Be just be ready to do the work and support whoever.

1:29:13 Speaker 4: Right yeh yeah, there are there are sixty five watching us on X right now. Guys, if you have any questions, either hopp into minor tize streams on uh YouTube. If you have questions, there's sixty five watching US on.

1:29:24 Speaker 3: X, which is I can see one hundred and thirty six in mind.

1:29:28 Speaker 4: They're oh shit, nice nice.

1:29:30 Speaker 3: One thirty six in mine, one eleven and sixty four so fun. Yeah, but well just to say, get over to YouTube if you want to ask questions.

1:29:40 Speaker 4: If you want to ask questions, yeah, yeah, that's I'm not saying I don't for them.

1:29:44 Speaker 2: I do it for me. No, I'm just kidding. I love everybody who supports.

1:29:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm and a shout out hold on real quick well, a shout out to Hannibal. Hannibal UFO channel he's allowing us to stream over his channel too. We help each other. So again, another guy, pro former pro wrestler or pro wrestler's got his wrestling channel is UFO channel, and I should I should link him up.

1:30:10 Speaker 4: My boy Chase.

1:30:11 Speaker 3: He does all the wrestling.

1:30:12 Speaker 4: He does a buff Bagwalls channel on YouTube and stuff, and he works with man.

1:30:17 Speaker 3: Hannibal is awesome. He's he gets you know, he gets all the eighties guys that I just you know, I grow all my childhood heroes. He's always thought, of course, but.

1:30:28 Speaker 2: I forget where I was going. Are you you beat me there?

1:30:32 Speaker 3: My bad?

1:30:33 Speaker 2: No? No, no, no.

1:30:34 Speaker 3: Talking about the sharing of the information, you know, sharing of the getting out there, sharing the stuff, that.

1:30:38 Speaker 2: Is though, that was kind of what the that's the underlying tone again, it's it's it's one thing to watch, you know, and and like there's nothing wrong with like if if you're if you live in the middle of the country or live in a different country, and you know, the online part of the community is really you know, that's really all you engage with. That's not a problem. If you know your place, like if you know what you're delivering, what you're giving back, and if you found your purpose. I think that's like, you know, to each their own to all the better.

1:31:18 Speaker 2: But getting out there and being part of the change that you want to see in the community is it's got to be more of a priority for people across the board. Across the board, it's not just one side, it's not just the other. Get out there, whether it's making videos or interviewing people or just chasing down cases literal case work. We need more casework. Honestly, I think that's my personal opinion. But and we you know, I think just a more united front. And one thing I can say about the room that day is it felt united.

1:31:58 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:31:58 Speaker 2: We were all there as at you know, when the standing ovations were happening.

1:32:03 Speaker 3: Oh, that doesn't happen.

1:32:05 Speaker 2: That didn't happen in Congress. I'd never been you know, I don't really see that outside of like sporting events. So after Carlos gave like that impactful, very like heartfelt ending to his people are on their feet, I was like I was looking around.

1:32:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could feel it. You could feel the emotion from the first speech to Burlston's you could feel the emotion.

1:32:26 Speaker 3: It just got it built. It was great. Burlston's speech.

1:32:29 Speaker 4: I was like, fuck yeah, I felt like I did when I first heard Dylan Borland put out his call to like for help from people like I really do. Was like, hell, yeah, brother, this is awesome, you know what I mean? Like, I felt like I was part of something.

1:32:41 Speaker 2: I've talked to Burloson on many occasions and Jane pointed this out.

1:32:45 Speaker 3: He's fired up.

1:32:46 Speaker 2: There was a time where it felt like his enthusiasm dipped and he had a renewed, renewed energy, and uh, I was definitely witness to that. People like Steve Bassett. Uh you know, for everything that everyone says about the guy, he's consistent, he's he's there, and he's he's another one of these people that works very hard behind the scenes, and you know he's he's he's just he's a great This networking part of this is really fun and and and getting to meet people from all different walks of life.

1:33:22 Speaker 2: And you know, you know, didn't know you before. I hate you now. Uh no, no, but this is the reason we do it.

1:33:35 Speaker 3: I was joking on the way down. I think it's a it's a gabe that pops in some spaces I'm on and a couple of times he said, Oh, Jean's the class. He is a guy I you know. I meant on X and I said to Veto, I said, if you ever hear him say that, you can be like, oh, you haven't spent eight hours in a car with him, wait.

1:33:53 Speaker 2: To hear him far On the last leg of that trip with uh you know and hour were left crossing into Massachusetts. Certain types. But one thing I wanted to bring up, guys, and you got you guys are like my You guys are like my antenna for this obviously, I'm I started editing Uh the the longer because I'm gonna put out like a really polished version of our trip. It just you know, in a nice way, and it's gonna include all the interviews I do with you guys, with Burlison, with Whitley, all of it's gonna be woven into it somehow, and it's gonna be really nice, and it's gonna be really fun.

1:34:38 Speaker 2: You come out, I've done. I've been waiting to release this episode with Gene for Gina Nat for so long. We had to refilm it. I owe it to him to get this goddamn interview out. So that's my next thing that I'm like making sure it's already scheduled to come out on next Sunday. But this video is gonna be really fun. It's been fun to look and put together. But I was watching something I was I was flipping through the X feed and I came across last night. I came across Disclosure Tonight and they were talking about, Yeah, what's going on there?

1:35:21 Speaker 2: Is the host?

1:35:23 Speaker 3: Now?

1:35:23 Speaker 2: Like, I just want to know. I try to pay attention to everything.

1:35:29 Speaker 3: I'll go first and actually and then I wanted to go have a smoke anyway, So on Disclosure Tonight, obviously people that follow know Thomas Fessler and Mike Disclosure host it. They know they have a ongoing conflict with others in the community as well. It goes back and forth understandment. Right last night, so there was some some actions that I think Vito would want to get into that occurred recently, and as a result of those, Thomas announced that Mike was on a hiatus from the show hopefully, so listen and I had jumped on last night and kind of helped out co hosting.

1:36:21 Speaker 3: My hope in my heart you know everybody again, temperature gets lowered and and people dive into what it is that there we're all here for. That will be my you know, ideology and just wanting to see everybody get along ago, But I know reality is much different from that as well, so uh veto you know, I mean you were a little bit closer to that in print. So I don't want to. I mean I didn't.

1:36:52 Speaker 4: I didn't want to be. I just I just want to show up on the show, support you my new friends, talk about our trip, talk about what we had plans, like what we were gonna get going and stuff. I did not at all expect to be lambassad like that. Like it literally felt like it almost felt like I was ambush to be honest with you, and like, obviously it's not anyone's fault.

1:37:16 Speaker 3: I went on there.

1:37:17 Speaker 4: I went on there thinking that I could just talk about our trip, talk about my channel, promote what we got going on, promote what I got coming up, et cetera. And unfortunately they happened to docs red Panda with my stupid face, my big dumb, goofy looking face under there, and uh, you know, it's my own fault for not paying attention. I have been partying a little bit. I just got promoted on Monday, so I was It's Friday. I was having enough a nice you know what I mean, A nice relax on Friday out there.

1:37:42 Speaker 2: Who doesn't understand how that show is set up. I've done it. You are in like a Google Meet. Yeah, unless you're monitoring the YouTube, like if you're shopping, the YouTube, which usually I do, is on the screen.

1:37:55 Speaker 3: Right, And I was more distracted.

1:37:58 Speaker 4: I was distracted at the way they had it set up. Like anybody who knows me, knows my channels, knows I like interactivity, and I love how that Google Meet is set up.

1:38:06 Speaker 3: I love how it set up.

1:38:07 Speaker 4: With Google Meet, I'm gonna be doing something very similar, if not almost identical to what they're doing so that way people can come, because my whole thing is about having anybody on to give their story blah blah blah, and then to have it feel like it's a family in a community, so that would add to it. So I was mesmerized by the back chat and all the cool stuff that was going on, and then the first to thirty minutes of being on there, not being on there, but being in the back chat, I spent changing my name because I didn't want my government name, first and last name to be up on this channel.

1:38:33 Speaker 4: That's you know, that is gotta gott a freaking.

1:38:40 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:38:40 Speaker 4: You were like, yeah, yeah, and I wasn't listen. I'm not I'm not here to I'm not here to fight anyone's battles. Had I seen what was posted on the screen, I would have said, Yo, what what the what the fuck's going on? Guys like that's not even remotely cool, and I would have called them out on it. Unfortunately, I was completely distracted by everything else, had no idea why the show ended early, had no idea what the doxing was like, I just did not know. You know what I'm saying, and I'm not there to fight and I'm not shitting on Ride or two.

1:39:12 Speaker 4: But like these dudes, these dudes are going through it, man, and they don't deserve to be going through No one deserves to be going through that ship. To be worried about your families, your sisters, your mothers, your brothers, worried about some random ass weirdo showing up and Charlie kirking you. That's why I've gotten into the politics side of this stuff, because I know how I am. It's it's scary, dude, after watching somebody get murdered on TV for their kids, I I, I ain't down with that, brother.

1:39:36 Speaker 4: I want to walk my three girls down the aisle. I want to see my you know, hold my son's kids, hopefully see my son become a fireman like me, following my footsteps. But again, I'm not I'm not here for for people fucking around Like I don't do the.

1:39:49 Speaker 2: Doxing shit, so no one should get it.

1:39:52 Speaker 3: I don't.

1:39:53 Speaker 4: I don't stand for that aget it.

1:39:55 Speaker 2: It's it's this disassociation, it's it's this weird dichotomy between like the ex communities or like the it's wild.

1:40:06 Speaker 3: It's wild, bro.

1:40:08 Speaker 2: Gets taken into the real world. Like even even when when you guys were you guys were literally in the in the National Press Club and I got caught in the in a in an anti protest.

1:40:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, how the hell did you? I'm sorry you didn't get carried away. Dog, I don't know what you're doing out there.

1:40:26 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I'm in the middle of a protest. Oh ship, like this is real, Like this is real real, And I was like, I should probably leave, I should probably get out of here.

1:40:40 Speaker 4: It could turn bad, and oh he said this, and next thing you know, you're getting.

1:40:43 Speaker 2: Dragged in a moment's notice, you know, and and and again I did see. The reason I did bring it up is because I wanted you to be able to get that off your chest. I know that wasn't fair to you because I and I was like, that's weird.

1:40:59 Speaker 4: I yeah, I didn't even see it until way later, hours later. I didn't even see it. Like when I posted that video of me saying, Yo, this isn't what I'm down for. That's when I realized what the picture was because Patrick from Vettitt called me out in his discord, was like, Yo, how you know I've known you for a year. How are you down with this? And then I was I didn't understand what he was talking about it first, I'm like, I just went on the show.

1:41:20 Speaker 3: What was the problem.

1:41:21 Speaker 4: And he's like, oh, they doc's red Panda, and I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. And then he showed the screenshot. But again, I'm still eight drinks in, still it's midnight, I'm goofy. So I didn't realize it until I saw the actual screenshots. Was like, holy crap like that is insane. And then that's when I was like, Yo, this is not good. That is not okay. If I had seen that and realized what they did, I would have said something. Number two, I don't believe for a second that Michael disclosure is separated from that show.

1:41:50 Speaker 4: They can do what they want. I call bullshit. You don't wait a week, release nothing, and then all of a sudden, oh he's no longer on the show. I bet you would give it three months, you'll see his goofy ass back on there. And again, none of my business. I don't care. I just I just don't get down with the fuckery. I really don't. I'm here for Juster and UFOs. That is it.

1:42:09 Speaker 2: Well, man, did you see and thank you guys for clear and that I just wasn't. I was like, I know, there was like some confusion there, so I just wanted to make make sure that that was kind of all taken care of. And but did you see did you did you see that the directed entergy that the government essentially the military a couple things before you wrap up, that they essentially confirmed that directed energy weapons exist.

1:42:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, hold on, what's there to confirm? You're watching them zap those boats. What do you think zap in those boats? The fishing boats. It isn't farting like it's not it's not wind. There aren't those aren't missiles.

1:42:49 Speaker 2: That's the reason I bring this up in this context is if the military say, you know how we talked about the military tracking the craft in our right, what if they brought it down.

1:43:06 Speaker 4: It's possible, It's possible they knew about it. They knew about it.

1:43:10 Speaker 2: And if if they were using directed energy weapons and we just shoot these things out of the sky and respond and we call them gifts, you know, right, Diana Poska in her book, you know, the guy Tim Taylor had referred to some of these crashes as gifts. So are we are we uh five finger discounting these craft and shooting them down? Or you know what's that?

1:43:37 Speaker 3: That's got me?

1:43:38 Speaker 4: That that's got me really, word, if we are shooting down these craft because if somebody shot down our craft a I want vengeance and.

1:43:45 Speaker 2: Entered us into an interplanetary war.

1:43:47 Speaker 3: Without yeah, man kind of yeah.

1:43:49 Speaker 4: That That's what scares me is if is if they are fucking around and knocking these things out of the sky.

1:43:54 Speaker 2: If we are engaging them kinetically. It shows way more about the restraint of them that it does about the nature of human beings.

1:44:04 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, we don't know if they're getting even they could be nuking the ship out of things.

1:44:07 Speaker 3: We just don't know about it.

1:44:08 Speaker 2: They could just be abducting and.

1:44:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's That's what my fear has been, is that all of these missing people is from inductions. There's too many people that go missing randomly. You think, no, no trace.

1:44:21 Speaker 2: Missing four eleven stuff. Have you seen that?

1:44:27 Speaker 4: No, what's that look into?

1:44:30 Speaker 2: David politis missing for one one. He talks about the people that go missing in like state parks and.

1:44:36 Speaker 4: Ship Yeah, just gone, just gone.

1:44:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, he thinks it's connected to all this stuff.

1:44:41 Speaker 4: I I kind of do too, and I'm worried about that. Like, you know, I don't want to be a de dumer, But there's a reason that they're here. And we're called containers, bless you, you.

1:44:52 Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

1:44:54 Speaker 2: That's a that's an interesting point too. You raise the container thing. What like again, Gene and I were spitballing so much ship, but like we talked about, like, you know, again, what if these what what what what would happen, you know, if we found out that we were kinetically engaging them and our our government has just been willy nilly, you're shooting these fucking things down, potentially entering us into not just World War three, but world wars like World.

1:45:25 Speaker 3: War worlds, yeah, galaxy wars world And that was something I stepped stepped out to have a smoke break in.

1:45:34 Speaker 2: I was listening my own studio.

1:45:36 Speaker 3: Baby, and when you were talking about the UH the direct the direct energy weapons and the possibility of that being used in UH our genia the you know, in the research that I've done, that was one of the things I found interesting was that I ran this whole assessment on whether there were technologies developed by the government that could specifically take down the craft as it is detailed in my father in law's body of work, Reverse Engineering a UFO. And you know, the what I determined was yes, high power microwave weapons, HARP and ionosphere heaters and electromatic e m P e MP weapons, you know, those were the things that came up.

1:46:28 Speaker 3: So looking at again a body of work from the nineteen eighties government programs, if they've how did how did they develop weapons that could specifically take down this type of craft. And then we look at a case like Virginia where you see an apparent unknown cause of what was causing this craft to begin to smoke and think that sound like weapons, a laser type weapon of some kind.

1:47:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, what what what caused? It's a rip in half? Like what caused that?

1:47:06 Speaker 3: Well?

1:47:06 Speaker 2: That right? And then because there were the two farmers and the original cut of moment of contact, they might even be in the new one I forget, but the farmers that also saw it like like it was in trouble and it was missing a piece. It looked like a school bus and it was like missing a piece out of the back and it was smoking. So what causes that? Right? Directed? I think are we using? Are we potentially? Do we have some sort of global Whether it's global, I don't know, but some sort of maybe maybe it's even like on this sphere base like over North America right where the United States and the ALLY or the NATO or anyone, you know what I mean that sector.

1:47:57 Speaker 2: You know, we're just like, hey, if anything you know, comes into this space, like it's being directed a energy weapon, try to retrieve it. We have these rapid response teams to go get it. But maybe they've figured out like what craft can we shoot at? What what ones will defend themselves? Like in Russia, we know that there was that one that did defend itself. So if they are kinetically engaging, that's a whole other level to the story because we're seeing it when again we start. Our perception of this case starts when Carlos sees it in trouble.

1:48:34 Speaker 2: I want to know how did it get in that trouble?

1:48:39 Speaker 4: Clearly, clearly something because if there was no storms, no electric magnetic anything, no nuclear weapons, no EMPs, something fucked that thing up and and and what was That's a valid question. Now do you think we had that ability?

1:48:53 Speaker 2: Why were and why were they so comfortable after being retrieved? Why did they show that that humbleness?

1:49:01 Speaker 4: That's a good question.

1:49:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, So to you to your your question, veto did we have that capacity in ninety six? Well absolutely? What you what you have to consider is when when the United States comes out and says here's our here's our latest most advanced technology that's code word for this is twenty five years old, and we're already retiring it.

1:49:22 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, good cause I'll.

1:49:24 Speaker 3: Talk at this point. You know, I go back to my experience in the oil and gas industry in the early to mid two thousands, So talking two thousand and five to twenty ten period, let's say specifically, I know, you know, we were deploying l rads and sonic weapons and systems to deter piracy against offshore platforms. We had the sonic systems being put on ships to secure them from piracy going through the Malacca Straits and other vulnerable checkpoints, you know, going down the coast of East Africa.

1:50:10 Speaker 3: So these were things that were already in two thousand and five available commercially, let's say, within the critical infrastructure industries. So we're talking only ten years from Virginia to that point. So you know, yeah, absolutely it was deployed, known about used. I remember my Air Force days I got out in ninety nine, drones, you know, really starting to make their way into the force and looking at the controller and it was like a PlayStation controller. I remember, I was like, oh, how brilliant your training generation.

1:50:56 Speaker 3: You know, you're training generations of future pilots and they don't even know they're being trained as future pilots because everything's literally on a PlayStation control.

1:51:07 Speaker 4: I would love to see what Dylan Borland saw when he was operating drones, Like, I just love to have him.

1:51:14 Speaker 3: Just have a little conversation.

1:51:16 Speaker 4: There's a I can imagine that guy scene there.

1:51:22 Speaker 2: Isn't there. There's this technology that I was just listening to a show and they were talking about it, and I had to double check that this is real, because that's how fucking crazy it sounded to me. Apparently the military has these lasers. They're like they're lasers, and if you come into contact, you can hear like warning, God, yeah, like warning, you have entered a fucking facility restricted area. It is unlawful to enter this area without permission of the Installation Commander Section twenty one Internal Security Act of nineteen fifty as it raised that whole spiel.

1:52:01 Speaker 2: They really fucking have.

1:52:03 Speaker 3: That, Yes, and we wasn't sapping you. Yeah, we were using something similar in oil and gas, and we had a system that would make you feel if if so, we knew if you had headphones on, then you were already aware that the platform of the ship was outfitted with that kind of system. And then we had another one that would just make everybody start vomiting. And incapacitate him that way.

1:52:32 Speaker 4: Look at the rumors that the Venezuelan troops said. He was like, we didn't even know what the fuck hit us or where they came from. Caac.

1:52:40 Speaker 3: Everybody the Cuban soldiers came home, went home and yeah, yeah, you know, and and you know, and on this again, Eric Hecker former. I was going to bring him up. You know, I was on his coffee talk this morning, and uh, you know what I appreciate about him. He is not above the eye, told you so, and he is justly saying it loudly and proudly. This is exactly what he was talking about. I want to interview him.

1:53:11 Speaker 2: I was going to bring him up because him and I. I was gonna bring him up because well, him and I kind of got into like an not an argument, but just like a weird situation when I was interviewing Burlson. But I do feel that he's he's not like I don't I don't want to say vindicated today by this confirmation, but I think it is one step closer for him to be able to say, like, listen, what I'm saying is not outlandish, It's not crazy that this neutrino detector is not just a passive. It doesn't just collect, it can transmit.

1:53:53 Speaker 2: Right, it's and and it caused this.

1:53:59 Speaker 3: And the stretch right in the in the stretches are not so much of a stretch anymore, right as other people wanted to to frame them.

1:54:07 Speaker 2: Right, there's people, I know, guys that think that nine to eleven was a literal project blue beam, that that those planes weren't real, and that they hit the tower. I know this is the sour subject, I trust me, I know that. But they think that that day they they used because doctor Judy Woods whole thing? Right, where did where did the rubble go? Because jet fuel? Last time I checked, it doesn't justify a building, not one that is has a literal core that is pure steel, right, and it was reinforced for this very specific reason.

1:54:49 Speaker 2: How does that just justify those towers? That part doesn't add up to energy weapons? That does.

1:54:58 Speaker 4: I mean, being being a firefighter and coming from this background, I was always on the fence with it, and I I just don't know. Do I think that they stood they took a year and a half to plant explosives in the building. No, do I think that they found the way to knock the building down using the planes and the jet fuel, et cetera. Aps fucking lotly do I think that there was an It was an inside job, without a doubt. There's just so many Yeah, that was gonna happen, and they didn't, they and they and they let it.

1:55:25 Speaker 2: They they they didn't, but they didn't just let it happen. They helped to make sure.

1:55:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, that they went down, that that.

1:55:33 Speaker 2: They went down, but they caused the least damage because you have to remember what's right under the World Trade Center.

1:55:41 Speaker 4: I really don't know.

1:55:44 Speaker 2: Water, the the thing that damns the water that holds that bay back.

1:55:52 Speaker 3: Well, it's all, it's all. I mean, the entire you known of Manhattan is reclaimed from the from the sea anyway. And you know, and again oil and gas experience. One of the top things that you know, we we talked about it was a misconception, even when we were dealing with the government on the law of their threat info and things like that, is this idea that things are built to fail catastrophically, and when they fail catastrophically, caused the least amount of damage. But we I think we're going down another rabbit hole.

1:56:27 Speaker 3: We're talking about Eric.

1:56:28 Speaker 2: And yeah we did. I did want to show.

1:56:32 Speaker 3: But I think you know veto Yeah, absolutely, you would be a brilliant interview for you to have. He's a he's a Long Island guy. I tried your language.

1:56:42 Speaker 4: I tried he I guess he looked at me as a grifter because I said, I'm trying to be like and again I'm I say, I'm trying to be Juliandori. But I'm like, I want to do it like, you know, similar to what Julian or he's doing. I want to et cetera, all that shit, you know what I mean. And he didn't like it.

1:56:56 Speaker 2: So we'll talk. We'll have a chat with him.

1:56:59 Speaker 4: I talked to him minute and heart.

1:57:01 Speaker 2: Will we'll have a chat on your behalf.

1:57:02 Speaker 4: And he's and he's a fellow, he's a fellow firefighters. So I'm like, of course I want to talk to this guy.

1:57:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was gonna fly him here to Boston from and he lives in the worst fucking.

1:57:13 Speaker 4: He's Alaska, isn't he He's like fucking Alaska like and.

1:57:16 Speaker 2: He's why that guy anywhere costs a fortune for someone.

1:57:19 Speaker 3: I can imagine.

1:57:20 Speaker 4: He's a cool dude, though I still know ill will I talk to him and anybody and heartbeat.

1:57:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love I. I get on that coffee talk every morning and and you know, I listen a lot but also join in great you know group of folks that jump in there. Super intelligent folks too. I really it's always an intellectual conversation.

1:57:43 Speaker 2: So the video that Veto showed two, so I want to very make this very clear. The video that Veto walked up and showed to Carlos Desuza said and said, what did you say, Vido?

1:57:59 Speaker 4: I just say, can you please take a look at this and tell me if this is similar to what you saw similar? And he's he literally said, it's identical.

1:58:11 Speaker 2: This is the video.

1:58:28 Speaker 10: Huh read a weird NA video?

1:58:43 Speaker 1: Is it?

1:58:43 Speaker 2: Did it just replay?

1:58:45 Speaker 4: It's a it's a video. It's only like one year, thirty seconds long. Oh okay, it's a it's a video that that I think. Uh. John Stewart shared from from uh from TikTok and I took it in like repurp did and put my own music on, et cetera. But I've seen this video of I've seen this video a lot, so I'm.

1:59:04 Speaker 2: Like here's one. Here's my one thing. I think again, could it be could it be that it did look very similar to that? And but could it be that that's a balloon? I don't know.

1:59:21 Speaker 4: I don't think so, because that is actually stabilized. That video is not when you're seeing it, it's moving around it like the actual I think the original video of it, it's it's moving weird. That's that's actually stabilized. And and like Redoney.

1:59:38 Speaker 2: Jimmy Church talks about a sighting like that.

1:59:41 Speaker 3: And it's flying weird.

1:59:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was like flip it exactly.

1:59:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what I'm thinking, Like, yo, I could imagine being in that fucking thing. Like it's just it's like being on the worst ride ever.

1:59:52 Speaker 2: But but but look at like, look at what a solar balloon looks like. Look at if you look into that, it's a very interesting dynamic. I think it would be give you a is this is that real?

2:00:10 Speaker 4: What's up?

2:00:12 Speaker 3: Oh?

2:00:12 Speaker 2: Ship dude? What is up?

2:00:19 Speaker 5: Ready?

2:00:20 Speaker 4: I hope you don't mind. I may have snuck him the link. I hope you don't mind.

2:00:23 Speaker 2: Oh that's more than okay, it's like how.

2:00:26 Speaker 4: Kill you in the back channel?

2:00:28 Speaker 3: But hey, forget about it.

2:00:30 Speaker 2: I would say, look into a solar balloon. But Gina, what's going on? Brother?

2:00:34 Speaker 3: Not much ship?

2:00:36 Speaker 4: Who's this guy? Who's this random guy? Who's this random guy?

2:00:41 Speaker 5: It's just me? He thanks for pulling me up here, guys. I really enjoyed hanging out with you guys this weekend. You know, I got some chance to meet Jane before you two guys, so we had a good rapport. Uh. He made me feel welcome as soon as I got down there in DC. Uh because I didn't know anyone going uh you know, James, James wrote me, Really, yeah, I didn't well, I didn't speak to anyone. I I just wasn't paying enough attention. Right before I left and uh again, James wrote me, told me he was doing it.

2:01:12 Speaker 5: I said, look, I'll jump on a plane. I'll be there tomorrow. So you know, I was glad to get to spend some time with you guys, and you know hear your everyone's thoughts on what we had going on there. You guys did a great wrap up job here.

2:01:27 Speaker 4: Oh wow, thank you man. I appreciate that so much much, especially to come from you, that is wow. Thank you.

2:01:32 Speaker 3: What was your ten cents of it all Gane and you hung out another day, right, I'm so jealous.

2:01:38 Speaker 5: I did. I wound up spending some time with James, Me, James and Jeff and Taylor from Planetarry HQ went out that night. I had some really great conversations. I can tell you to stick with the presentation. Uh my. Few of my main takeaways were. Number one, Burlison had an amazing speech. Really yeah, I really felt like that. That was a highlight for me. Secondly, I would say this is the most important case in UFO history of biologics. Like we keep hearing biologics, you know, when they're talking to Congress, Hey, there's biologics, there's biologic but no one wants to talk about what are the biologics?

2:02:31 Speaker 5: Are we talking about? You know, mushroom spores? Are we talking about things moving around? What are we talking about it? As far as biologics, you're now and then if we go back in history, we're talking about biologics that were pulled out of Roswell. Do we know if that's true. We don't know if that's true. It's so far back everyone who was there is no longer alive. So I think for the most part, you know, because again, what are we talking eighty years ago, So if they were twenty years old at the time they would have been, they'd have to be one hundred nown so, so no one knows for sure as an eyewitness to Roswell.

2:03:09 Speaker 5: But here we have a recent case where we have multiple people that are testifying to their being an actual entity and moving around living being. That's very important because like I have, you know, plenty of friends. I don't think I could get six of them to lie for me and say they are an alien with me, you know, especially for years, and these people don't know each other. The girls had nothing to do with the doctor. There's no connection, there's there's no connection to these people.

2:03:47 Speaker 3: You know.

2:03:48 Speaker 5: The doctors aren't in the military. They have no reason you know, to uh say the same thing as military x So. So it's very interesting to me that here we're talking about the first like live case of biologics that's being taken seriously like this technology involved of course.

2:04:07 Speaker 4: From thirty from thirty years ago. It's recent, it's it's it's recent.

2:04:11 Speaker 5: Well, the people are alive, we're talking to them, we're face to face, looking at their tears, seeing their emotion, and you know, they could all be the best actors in the world. I don't think. So that's not what I get from these people, especially because the only monetization that's ever happened on it is James Fox's movie. He's not paying them as far as I know. Maybe he is, but they're not. They're not becoming uh, they're not having their lives changed to where they're millionaires or or if something wants along those lines over this.

2:04:45 Speaker 5: So, so what's the incentive for them? I don't see it.

2:04:51 Speaker 4: And actually the doctor said I might here for that telling anything to.

2:04:56 Speaker 2: Cap on Gino's point in the In the if anyone watched the new cut of Moment of Contact, I forget I keep forgetting what the tagline is. I think it's a revelations for alien contacts something to that degree. When when the doctor brings when Edeloh first brings James's crew in, he brings them into the hospital and they just start filming, and then they get spotted by the owners of the hospital, and Edelo says, I think I just lost my job, right like, because then they had to get they had to leave, and then they regrouped at a coffee shop.

2:05:31 Speaker 2: So you know, he went, he's a neurosurgeon, not just ten years ago, but like as of today, a week ago. You know, while he's doing that testimony. So it's right, he's putting his why do it at such an age?

2:05:46 Speaker 3: Right?

2:05:47 Speaker 2: Like? It just it doesn't I don't see that angle of like, oh, just another grifter telling a story really right?

2:05:56 Speaker 5: So so so again that's that's why these witnesses is mattered most to me. Now there's also technology involved. We have a downcraft. Where's that downcraft? What happened to it?

2:06:08 Speaker 1: Uh?

2:06:08 Speaker 5: You know where? Who has it? Did it go? Did it get flown back to the United States? Obviously? Uh? There What we heard from the general was it was it a general that that stood up and said, look, there's got to be records. There's there's records, it's colonel, these flights, these flights, there should be some kind of record. Now, I know we're talking about about thirty years ago, so you know, computers were just gaining their their momentum at that point. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

2:06:43 Speaker 5: So uh, if it does exist, I'd love that for them to find that because that would be a big piece of the puzzle. But again, let's put the technology aside and only concentrate on the living being. Now we also have the the military, a soldier who died of the bacterial infection. Now, a lot of people were trying to debunk it, saying, well that bacterial infection, uh they said was alien. But turns out it's not alien. It is found found on the earth. However, the doctors did testify that it acted differently than they've ever seen that bacteria act on Earth.

2:07:24 Speaker 5: So uh so did that bacteria interact with something that then when the soldier was scratched, that's why why it it reacted differently. But there's no doubt that that that soldier died. That soldier's sister testified. She looked very credible. She lost her brother. She's she's she's upset about it. She wants answers. So so again, uh that that was probably the most important thing for me again to to have a case on biological because I can't think of another one. Now, you know we got if you go back to Coast to coast, you got the guy with the alien in the freezer with yeah video things like that.

2:08:12 Speaker 5: You know, the alien killed his dog, he punched him out or he hit him with a stick and then.

2:08:18 Speaker 3: Oh my god.

2:08:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, bro, that was a great story though, that's where it was crazy.

2:08:22 Speaker 5: It's a great story. But I think that's what we're stuck with is a story there's only one person who've ever seen seen that alien. So so that again every.

2:08:33 Speaker 3: Time you described it as like is the complete three.

2:08:37 Speaker 5: Sixty Yeah, so every every everything time we're hearing alien stories, it's typically one person, like even uh Mike Batista, who

2:08:51 Speaker 5: is uh skywatcher, he said these things landed, he recorded him, but it's him. What do you mean? What do you mean? Like, okay, thanks to give more people be there? Why why why are we only dealing with one person at a time. Here we have multiple credible witnesses.

2:09:09 Speaker 2: It's uncorrelated, Unlike, there's nothing that that ties all these people together. They're all talking. I think you're absolutely right this might be the And whether there is another case that isn't known about, well that's the problem. It's not known about, right, and we know about this one. It's fresh, it's ninety six. Most of the witnesses, if not all of them, are a live give or take, or been on record at least, and it does it touches on all of the thing, crash retrieval, biologics, you know, uh, witness, intimidation, cover up.

2:09:49 Speaker 2: It hits on every major facet of conspiracy. So whoever you are, and then just as a human, it should it should hit you as we might not be alone. Like, if that doesn't grip you, then what the fuck will.

2:10:04 Speaker 3: Where do you think it needs to go next? GENA based on your read of the situation.

2:10:09 Speaker 5: Well, that's a hard call for me. I'm not sure what to do next, you know, like, uh, we're going to platform James. We want we want to get his the word out as best as possible. We did. We did the original Varhenia case with Moment of Contact and got three million views. I want to get as many eyeballs on it as possible, especially because this is one of the cases that I feel I've put a question question mark on AJ's mind about whether it's real or fake, because.

2:10:50 Speaker 2: He's pretty conservative when it comes.

2:10:53 Speaker 3: To yeah, he's cases, he believes.

2:10:57 Speaker 5: Right and and he's I think that is still out for him on on Varhena. Uh, if you watch our episode, mainly, I think there was some debunking of the girl, the girls and I don't want to see the bunking, just other sides of the story. I think what was said that we found out there on the internet was that there was a really badly uh uh kind of downtrodden homeless guy who in the area, who is always dirty things like that, So can you mistake that guy for the alien? I guess again that's that's that's just the other info that's out there.

2:11:41 Speaker 5: However, that doesn't explain the doctors. That doesn't explain military X also, which we didn't see down in DC. But from the original video, there was the other family that said, hey, we seen a UFO. Yeah, that's Surger Gard, the.

2:11:59 Speaker 2: One that's still won't even go on record. They were filming from the back that that's the one that I brought up earlier, the one that was doing the grid pattern after it was almost like a search and rescue and that was a disc shaped craft and the main guy like when you hear them and you know, I'm sorry, you just fired me up about that part because I remembered something that really like set me off with that guy. Was he even literally like when you watch that scene from the film, right, the families remembering it and they're going tit for tat, like they're remembering like a Super Bowl Sunday memory, right, They're like finishing each other's sentences, they're they're jumping in at when this guy's like when they it was so raw and so like just that that family dynamic.

2:12:48 Speaker 2: And then the guy even says like James is like, you know, are you sure? Are you sure? And he's like, I stood there for five extra minutes making sure I was sure of what I was seeing because I was. It was like that crazy. So that that part, I feel like, does get left out a lot of this story.

2:13:08 Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's a complete it's a complete eyewitness account for multiple witnesses, So it's important. What could be done with it? I don't think much can be done further than listening to the testimony. I think one of the missing pieces that that breaks everyone's logic is, all right, so we have things that we know are in the sky, maybe we have things that are coming down down down to the ground, especially if it's a crash. So if they're coming here, it's more than likely and I would say ninety nine point nine percent to against that they are just here on vacation.

2:13:49 Speaker 5: So what is the mission? So there has to be some sort of mission as to why these things are here and why only these few things are here, because even though we're seeing a lot, we're not seeing thousands a day. We're not seeing, you know, if it is only a certain small amount that get witnessed, and that's which ones even get witnessed. So what is the goal? What could be the goal? There was no scientific technology found or anything else beyond the craft. So we have technology in a craft, but then we have a being, but we have no tools, we have no It was doing this, you know, like if you read the original book of Et and I someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

2:14:38 Speaker 5: Et was there as a botanist. He was into the plants and and I think that's kind of more explained in the book than in.

2:14:47 Speaker 3: The movie the book.

2:14:51 Speaker 5: Look, I'm going off of what people said. I didn't read the book either.

2:14:54 Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you I read the.

2:14:58 Speaker 3: Look.

2:14:58 Speaker 5: I had every cliff that I was a kid, and basically that's the cliff notes. Is exactly what I do for the WI files. I give cliff notes of every story. You know I talk about, you know, when I'm going into pitch meetings to talk to the entire team about what new stories we're gonna do.

2:15:15 Speaker 2: Uh.

2:15:15 Speaker 5: That's what I'm doing. I'm giving the cliff notes of the story and saying, hey, all right, I got this great one. It's a you know, a moment of contact Marhina. We got a downcraft. We got a pilot who tried to save people thinking it was a plane crash. Then we got military throwing him out of the area when he's trying to help help save people. You got an alien, you got soldiers, you got you got doctors. So like that. So I pitched the whole story to try and get the attention of AJ and the team, uh, to go, yeah, it sounds like a good one, good one to do.

2:15:55 Speaker 5: Uh, But that's what I'm doing. I'm always just doing cliff notes. Once they say yes, then I take every story I can find on it and which is mainly usually videos, and I put them all together with their transcripts and things like that before I hand off the research to AJ. Now, every time I do that, I'm only concentrated on the story itself, as if the story is one hundred percent true. Now, AJ, being a black belt in research, we always used to make it make that joke that he has a black belt in homework.

2:16:30 Speaker 5: He could go out and find anything. So hopefully the other side, you know, that doesn't make it debunking. It just means there's this side of the story out there, and there's this side of the story out there. The user, you know, the watcher has to kind of make that decision.

2:16:46 Speaker 3: Now.

2:16:47 Speaker 5: Again, I feel like he's not one hundred percent one over on it, but he does feel like James is certainly interesting enough to talk about it, and let's let's, you know, uh get the word out there a little more so we you know, the more the word gets out there on platforms like uh, James has just done Jesse Bichels and Chris Ramsey.

2:17:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that that's what I have such such and I think I've always felt this way about, you know, the WI files, the you know, the Jesse michaels Is of the world is you guys are getting you guys are getting to audiences that like that that.

2:17:35 Speaker 4: That we just everybody, everybody.

2:17:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't touch you guys are getting to the audiences that sit down and they have like a little family dinner around your guys' videos. Like I've seen it in the comments of the Wi Files, like it's like a TV show for people. That's the Internet is what you know cable used to be for for for families. Now they're sitting around watching a Wi Files episode instead of like, so you know Law and Order right, it's it's but you guys have got the attention of the everyday person.

2:18:07 Speaker 4: And your kids.

2:18:08 Speaker 2: When you choose to do a topic or to shed light on a case. I don't think you realize how how fucking much that influence. I mean, not to stroke your ego, but how much that that goes and swaying people and to taking action.

2:18:27 Speaker 5: And that was one of the other takeaways for me because when Congressman Burlson walk walked out of the room, I followed him and I wanted to introduce myself and talk to him. And as soon as I introduced myself and told him I produced the Wi Files, he pulled up his phone and showed me his history of him watching the Wi Files. He couldn't be happy, He couldn't have been happier. He did a little video for me to send off to Heckelfish as well, which was really funny.

2:18:56 Speaker 3: So you said it to yourself, I'm convince your.

2:19:01 Speaker 1: Joe.

2:19:02 Speaker 4: Joe's coming back on, by the way.

2:19:04 Speaker 5: So uh so yeah, so I know we're we're reaching the people and also the right people and that matters. You know, what we put out there. Uh uh does get some some weight uh to the normies? Is uh you know what a lot of the people in the UFO community call it. Yeah, because we live and breathe in this community. So info we we know there's not much new. I mean, I'm sure, Uh, there was hardly anything new any of you guys learned from watching the testimony. It was good to see the testimony, but it was not not if you're paying attention to it.

2:19:46 Speaker 5: It has already been out there. It's just uh these people kind of swearing to it and make letting you know that this is this.

2:19:54 Speaker 3: Is Was there anything when you know, so you had some some one on time with James. Is there anything you can share? Did he provide any insights because they were talking about going back following the following this press or that everybody was headed back down to Brazil. Did you have any feel for you know, their next steps or their follow up or what he might be tackling next.

2:20:20 Speaker 5: Well, I do know that he is going back down to Brazil right away. I don't know. I don't know, if I'm sorry, I can't say exactly what he's doing because he just hasn't told me that that I can. But I do know he's on his way back to Brazil.

2:20:41 Speaker 4: No worries. I hope he gets whatever he's after. That'd be great.

2:20:45 Speaker 6: I did wonder if I I just what an interesting point to that, Not to just jump right in, but yeah, I heard him, did meant mention about working on getting the body exoomed of the Mauricio I believe was the guy's name. Yes, just a cool thought. I think maybe that's what he's throwing back down for, to work on something.

2:21:04 Speaker 3: Like that, that'd be great.

2:21:06 Speaker 4: I don't know if the body's there so or if it's been gone or changed. That's my that's my theory, is that body is not going to be there.

2:21:11 Speaker 2: That would be a wild like revelation.

2:21:14 Speaker 4: That would be like, that would be the gotcha. If that body's not there or it's been changed at all, that's the gotcha right there.

2:21:20 Speaker 3: So why would you.

2:21:20 Speaker 5: Change the body if there's nobody that's number one? If it's not the same body that's number one? And he doesn't match. Number three is if they re exhuom and and do medical tests and don't find the same bacteria, you know, all that that is, uh is interesting.

2:21:38 Speaker 4: I don't think it's well. I mean another another thing is you know they could say that he died from an infection, but they could have killed him as well, just to shut him up, being that he wrestled the fucking thing.

2:21:49 Speaker 3: And you know, it.

2:21:53 Speaker 5: Could have been a biological warfare infection that they used to uh ye take. And when I'm saying they, I don't even know who they is.

2:22:04 Speaker 3: That's just don't worry about who they are. It's just them.

2:22:08 Speaker 4: They quote Saul, they is everybody, Well, I think everybody.

2:22:15 Speaker 2: I think we can we can rule in that the air Force was absolutely involved, right and and if there is a paper trail, I hope that someone has taken it upon themselves too, and if not, like, let us know so someone else so we can do this, chase down that paper trail and and figure out because we we know okay, now, all right, we know the events of how it went down in Brazil. We or at least we have an idea of of what happened in Brazil from the time of the crash until it's taken to the US lands in uh Campinas and takes takes whatever they take back to the United States.

2:23:05 Speaker 2: What happens then, I think that side of the case, if that could be you know, shed light on like someone from the US if you're involved in this, like step forward.

2:23:17 Speaker 4: That's the.

2:23:21 Speaker 5: Well we had, and we had Jeff Nuka Telly down there as well, who went down to Brazil, and Jeff is doing a you know, out of all the testimonial that was given the Congress, his might have been the most important because he is trying to figure out a better way to open the door for whistleblowers. Now, what I found out from Jeff was very interesting that everything that he testified about seeing the cube and things in the air you know, and everyone that was involved in in uh you know, on the the Air Force base, none of that was classified, so he didn't have to go through Bobster or anything to talk about it.

2:24:08 Speaker 5: So, uh So that's that's an interesting point also that uh he's talking about things that that are not classified. So everyone who was on base at that point should be able to talk about it, should be it should should be okay too. They're not coming forward, which is an interesting you know.

2:24:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I think I think that is over the next few years now here, I guess hear me out on this with again with popularity of channels like the Wi Files, Jesse Michaels and this whole topic range like whichever streamer podcaster that you want to point to. Again, what brought doctor it Loo forward? What brought uh Carlos to Suza forward? You know, was the audience willing to listen and not to judge, right, not to call you crazy or call you a lunatic or or you know it label you that guy in the family, right, the one who Uncle Joe just you know, he went a little crazy, right, We paid no mind to Uncle Joe.

2:25:22 Speaker 2: That's not that that's not necessarily the culture anymore. It's it's more like, oh shit, yeah, because it's being legitimized in other places. Now, whether that those other places are flawed, because I think the twenty seventeen article is flawed right in his information, but it still set the tone and built the wave that crashed down afterward. Right, So, you know, was Alizondo the MANDA champion This probably not let's let's but he but he was. He's what we had and did what he did. So you know, it's gotten us to this point where I think today we are a long way from seven eight years ago.

2:26:06 Speaker 2: Where are we in three years?

2:26:09 Speaker 4: I don't know, Aliens hopefully, like legit, I'm hoping three years Aliens, we'll see.

2:26:17 Speaker 3: You know.

2:26:18 Speaker 5: I was having a conversation about this yesterday and I really that Aliens, that's great. I'm interested in it. I wanted to be there. But my number one takeaway from all of what we're doing here is the technology of zero point energy changes the world. Aliens doesn't, does it? Aliens means everyone's gonna maybe change religion and a few things in their life, but you're going going to work the next day and everything. It's just you're just kind of talking about it. Zero point energy changes everything from from the food industry, uh you know, and the world hunger.

2:26:59 Speaker 4: Hic medical.

2:27:03 Speaker 5: The reason desalination isn't more prevalent is the power that it takes to do it. So so so really I think zero the biggest world disruptor that that's there, and we're seeing it. We know that everything that we're seeing if it's real, And I think I've had my own own personal experiences. If it's real, and any part of uap S is not planes and things that we already know of, then zero point energy exists and it's being hidden from us. Is it being hidden from us by aliens or is it being hidden from us by the government.

2:27:45 Speaker 5: But either way, if it's being hidden from us by the government, then that's probably the biggest world crime that could ever be. So, so hiding aliens from us, I could understand. Hiding zero point energy I do not understand.

2:28:00 Speaker 2: That's an interesting Actually, that is very interesting. So you think the line in the sand for like so, so you think that if they came out and said, guys, hey, fuck it, we've been aliens exist. You know, we had to keep it a secret for a while, you think that that is not a crime against humanity. But say, hey, guys, we've had free energy since you know, Tesla was around, but we chose to go with the other thing because we could put a meter on it. That that would be a crime.

2:28:33 Speaker 6: Well look at just just look at the reason the government would have to hide it from us. If it was just aliens, I think maybe they would. It's not that big of a deal. However, if it's going to bust up the oil companies and it's going to cause zillions of dollars in profits, I think that's all the reason the government and the deep state needs to hide the truth from us.

2:28:56 Speaker 5: So I'm going to throw out my theory here, and I think I am maybe the first person to ever say this. Anyone correct me if someone else has said this. I think the reason that it's being hidden from us is not because of aliens. It is because of zero point energy. And really, and I think the reason zero point energy is being hidden from us is because it's easier than we think to make happen. And since it is so easy that it would be like people in there once the equation is told and and kind of figured out, then it would be people like Crisper in their own house doing experiments.

2:29:35 Speaker 5: I feel like zero point energy is easier than we think, and that's why it's being hidden from us.

2:29:41 Speaker 4: That probably because a lot of people be you know, out of money.

2:29:48 Speaker 6: We don't need major companies to facilitate it for us. We can pretty much do it yourself.

2:29:53 Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying now. I know I love that, but people like my brother, very smart, could figure it out out people. Uh, scientists would be able to figure it out, and once that toothpases out of the tube, I don't think it could ever go back because people would want to help humanity. They would want to get fresh water to everyone, to get everyone. Those two things change the world besides everything else that changes travel, travel, everything changes from it, every single industry if.

2:30:26 Speaker 4: You for the better, for the better too, if you think about it. I know, I know it's gonna get rid of a lot of industry, but it's going to help humanity for the better.

2:30:33 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, that's not true. I think it just changes, it changes it fundamentally because again think now, think about this from a from a uh, not every human being on this planet right now has the good intentions just because the technology could solve world hunger and most people would want that. You're also given this technology to people that want to eradicate entire species of people. So we have to balance that, right. It's like giving every single person a time time time fucking machine.

2:31:11 Speaker 2: Again, most people probably want to do good, but you can't have everyone up mucking up the time timeline, right, You can't have everyone going back and killing Hitler. It does it can't work like that. Yeah, it can't.

2:31:23 Speaker 6: Rhodes, all that hurt, I mean it hurts the moneyed interests and the people that actually run society.

2:31:30 Speaker 2: This is what how put off in those things. Thanks we're talking about, and ultimately deemed that, guys, disclosure is not not feasible right now? Could it? Could it be? Because yes, this technology unlocks overnight a fundamental paradigm shift the moment it happens. It's unwavering. It's not there's no yes or no. It's simply everyone has it or everyone does it. Period. That's fucking fair, and that's kind of scary.

2:32:07 Speaker 1: Geno.

2:32:08 Speaker 5: Well again, I'm I've never heard anyone, uh say say it out loud. You know, it's my My theory is is uh based off of some feeling more than than science, science or anything else. It's it's again, so uh what I'm not saying, I know know this for sure. I'm just saying that's what I feel that it's hidden from us, not because of aliens. I feel like aliens are are just the side product.

2:32:41 Speaker 6: I mean, it makes practical sense too. I think what you're saying, Geno, just.

2:32:45 Speaker 2: A side product.

2:32:48 Speaker 3: Hey, real, real quick, it's a worry about too. We're a little over two and a half hours here, Ty, should I go? I don't know how much down what rabbit holes we want to go? But you know there's one other there's a documentary film project that you're in. You were talking about your own experiences that's coming out, So yeah, you want to chat like that and get that out there.

2:33:12 Speaker 5: Sure. I had a great time. I'm working with Patrick Armstrong from Vetted and uh we did a lot of filming for his Iionics project. It's his documentary. I just went along for the ride.

2:33:26 Speaker 1: Uh.

2:33:26 Speaker 5: You know, I was happy for the invite and to help out. We uh we did some amazing things. We went, uh you know to some places like uh Sonoma uh uh to see uh Gradual Ranch, which.

2:33:43 Speaker 4: Is with Carl Crusher. Right, you guys are hanging with Carl Crusher.

2:33:48 Speaker 5: Uh well, we were hanging with Carl Crusher up in Utah Saint George uh so.

2:33:53 Speaker 1: Uh.

2:33:53 Speaker 5: But we we went to both places.

2:33:56 Speaker 4: Uh.

2:33:57 Speaker 5: In with with Carl Crusher. We've seen a lot of things in the air. We during the day, we walked the cliffs, saw all the Petrick lifts.

2:34:07 Speaker 4: You know.

2:34:08 Speaker 5: Carl said things to us like Hey, at night, this whole mountain lights up, and like, strangely, now, I expected it to be like a bright, bright light. It wasn't, but it definitely lit up. It definitely looked different. You could see what he was saying. Now, the things that we saw in the air, we saw a lot of anomaloa stuff, a lot. You know, I've always been a city boy, so New York City, La, now Vegas, you don't see anything in the air because it's too bright. But if you go to places like this, you could see that there's a lot more going on in the skies than we know in Uh.

2:34:47 Speaker 5: When I went to Sonoma, we were using military grade night vision, and again there must have been five or six things in the air at all times moving around. Now does that mean that they were satellite weren't satellites, weren't planes. I don't know. I can't say. But there were some things that were anomalous. Like we were with we were at Ratual Ranch and let's see, uh, and I was looking at like there was what I probably is a satellite moving across the sky, and I said, oh, there's one that's moving.

2:35:31 Speaker 5: And then in the same field.

2:35:33 Speaker 3: Of view.

2:35:36 Speaker 5: And both me and Ron Jens who's part of Moufan.

2:35:39 Speaker 2: He's the Accidental Accidental Truth directors.

2:35:44 Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, and he has another follow up, the Accidental Truth, coming out. So me and him, we're both tracking this this one moving probably a satellite, but moving in the air, but right next to it, a light flashed on and flashed off off and that was it. And so uh so I sat there baffled, going, I never it was like, you know, you're on a stage and and someone turned on a spotlight and turned it off and we both saw it. So it wasn't like, hey, did you see that? Did you see that? We both saw it. Very interesting again, anomalous.

2:36:18 Speaker 5: Now I went right home. I got on chat ept I'm talking about satellites, things like that. They did say satellites have that ability, they can just do a flash, and I said, well, why would they do a flash? Doesn't make sense, and and it would be a reflection of the sun hitting it as it moves the trajectory. That's interesting now is that what.

2:36:40 Speaker 2: I guys were know you guys weren't monitoring for out of that in real time.

2:36:47 Speaker 5: Uh no, no, not not at not at that point because we were uh we were just with our cell phones, uh cell phones and you know, uh pocket you know, I had my pocket.

2:37:02 Speaker 6: Three Like I had a.

2:37:05 Speaker 5: Rig set up because because we were hiking, you know, we were hiking through through the trails, so of.

2:37:11 Speaker 3: Course it's going to be when nobody's ready for it. That's always there.

2:37:14 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's fair, you know. So so again, and we did a whole bunch of stuff besides that, besides looking at UAPs things like that, we were we were working with psionics, so we were there doing uh we Ron had a spoon bending event at his house, and I really I went into it very very skeptical, very skeptical. And I was and I seen people doing it, and there was a lot of us there and we were participating as well, and I was doing it, and and certainly I was ben I bent the spoon and I was like, oh yeah, but was that my strength?

2:37:54 Speaker 5: You know, because any one of us could bend this moon? But I was like, was that my strength? Was I manipulating it? But then this little woman who was next to me, instead of bending the spoon like I was like at the neck of the she took the stoop of the spoon spoon and she rolled it up.

2:38:14 Speaker 4: I couldn't fucking what I.

2:38:17 Speaker 5: Couldn't do with all my strength. I tried and tried to mimic what she was doing. And she was rolling the spoon, the scoops of the spoon up, not with any schoon. I chose that.

2:38:28 Speaker 2: I tried the drunk part.

2:38:30 Speaker 5: And she's a little tiny.

2:38:32 Speaker 4: Woman with her with her hand or her mind, explain.

2:38:35 Speaker 5: That with her with her hand. With her hand, she would and told she she'd hold it in her hand and she'd say, now it's ready, and then she would do it. So and that's what she was trying to have me do as well. She was trying to kind of teach us how to do it. And she said, just wait till you feel like it's ready. And and again I sat there going, I don't know, the like any I don't know. And and so I bent this mooon. I was just like, yeah, but maybe it was just me, But maybe it wasn't because I did try and bend it with the same amount of strength and it didn't bend.

2:39:13 Speaker 5: But again, you're holding in your hand, there's some heat conductivity things like that. I think you're a geller, you know, famously tries to tries to you know, work through some of.

2:39:24 Speaker 3: Some of this.

2:39:26 Speaker 2: But uh, but he'll just like walk up to you in a restaurant and like, grab your fucking spoon, just bend it and then drop it back on the table walk by.

2:39:36 Speaker 3: How only bending it.

2:39:39 Speaker 2: Like a lot of people say that if you if you use enough friction, like if you use enough heat transfer from your your body to the to the spoon, you can essentially get it hot enough where it will bend itself. It sounds almost like yeah, and it's almost like it's a reaction.

2:39:59 Speaker 5: Sounds plausible, But that is not what I seen. It was I felt their hands after they're not hot, like like, it's not.

2:40:08 Speaker 3: Like I can't wait to watch this footage.

2:40:12 Speaker 6: I really can't make it in a different way I always would have, Like I was always extremely skeptical about spoon bending, but now hear you say that, it makes you think a little differently, and so.

2:40:29 Speaker 5: Come come come out of it saying I believe in this. I believe in that I know I seen UFOs because that that wouldn't be truthful. I came out of it in the same way I did after spending time with Chris bled Cell. I came out of it going, Hey, I seen some stuff. I don't know what I seen, but I want to see more. I want to I need to to investigate it more. I would say, you know, it didn't give me anything definitive, and I don't And I really think, no matter how much you do, we're not going to get definitive answers.

2:41:04 Speaker 5: It is always going to come down to what you feel, you know, is the truth more than anything else, because you know, until until someone pulls up you know, the fuselage of of a down cigar, you know, shaped craft with you know, it's always just going to be opinion.

2:41:25 Speaker 2: I'm kind of working on Yeah, we're working on stories and testimony until then.

2:41:33 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's the guy who found the plane in Varhena mentioned that he had grab material that when wrinkled up, they would go back to its own shape, and it was he had very thin Now we've heard that before. We heard that exactly in Roswell and then I did hear that from another person who had a personal situation happened with the UAP in Nevada. He's not public about it. I don't know what to think about that his story because it does have a lot of twists and turns in it. But to this the same thing has happened to him where he had material, he was arrested, the material no longer exists.

2:42:27 Speaker 2: So this this, and I spoke to Carlos about this as well. When I got to speak with him, I forgot to mention this part. I said, if obviously, hindsight being twenty twenty, you know, would you have scooped a piece of this metal and you know got away with it? Because you know, it's that moment, It's that decision and that moment think and again because I think it is a testament to what his mindset was where he didn't think it's alien or UFO or any of that. He thought Pilot is in trouble. And then his mind is he's probably kind of corroborated it in his idea.

2:43:08 Speaker 2: When the military then immediately shows up with guns drawn, his mind is probably like, oh shit, this was some secretive, fucking test thing. And I got you know, I so, but I did ask him. I was like, do you wish you pocketed some of that metal? And yes, of course he does, but uh, because that would have been right it that would have been the smoking piece of the smoking gun, if you will but we need one of these people to get away. You know again that that's a if someone does have a piece of this ship some somewhere and they're just keeping it private, I don't see what benefit to that.

2:43:49 Speaker 4: Is someone's bookshelf.

2:43:51 Speaker 5: They could They might be trying to save their life and more so to live of their family. I mean, Bob Lazar famously has has a stable element.

2:44:03 Speaker 6: That's why they raided as to us a few years ago, is what it seems like.

2:44:10 Speaker 2: People do say that that that was unrelated and YadA YadA, to protect myself and my neutral stance. Allegedly, that is why they rated Bob Bazaar's complex. But apparently they were just looking for the public. The narrative was they were looking for a customers because he sell I mean, he sells combustible materials, right, So they were looking into someone and they wanted all the files on that person.

2:44:44 Speaker 6: So all the years though they choose that time Corbel's they're filming to do it.

2:44:50 Speaker 2: I know, I've seen a UFO, I've seen ship. I know it's out there again. I think you know, that's that's what I think. You know, as someone who has seen something like that, just stood out to some degree that just doesn't make sense. And then to have that other experience, you you start to form this like I don't know this this realm of like okay, this discernment, and uh I wish everyone could have that type of experience because it gives you a good like guiding north Star. But anyway, we are getting to uh a bitter end here.

2:45:32 Speaker 3: It looks like Veto's getting bored in the.

2:45:35 Speaker 11: Kick No, no, I'm I'm sorry tonight, so it's a good time to go.

2:45:43 Speaker 3: I had question for Joe, actually, did you did you change your hat or your sweatshirt from when you sweatshirt?

2:45:51 Speaker 6: I had to go out for a while, so yeah.

2:45:53 Speaker 5: Good.

2:45:54 Speaker 3: Because Gino came on and yeah.

2:45:59 Speaker 2: Comes back back on.

2:46:03 Speaker 6: Uh I went, we went, We went out to eat.

2:46:06 Speaker 11: I had to get pretty okay, that's a story for Gino anyway, though, Joe, I never asked, did you end up going out that night or you just want to back to the whole room hotel room and crash?

2:46:18 Speaker 7: Uh?

2:46:18 Speaker 6: Yeah, I went for dinner and a few drinks afterwards.

2:46:21 Speaker 3: Dope, right, Geo?

2:46:24 Speaker 2: What's next for the what's next for the five miles? For you?

2:46:29 Speaker 5: Well? Uh, well, I got a few amazing guests coming out that that we're going to be talking to. One of them is right on this stream with us, gonna be talking to Jean stick Up. Nice got him coming up with an interview with a j recently did a few really good ones. Tim Hogan from The Knight's Templar Uh, Chris Bledsoe out there as well, and and my Barra from Ancient Aliens, who who I like? Uh, you know? And and I think we also got James Fox is gonna come out, so he's another one. And then as far as the show goes, I can't tell you what our upcoming episodes are exactly.

2:47:20 Speaker 4: They're gonna be good.

2:47:22 Speaker 2: Uh.

2:47:23 Speaker 5: Is our next one I think is going to be a NASA cover up?

2:47:32 Speaker 4: Oh nice, I'll be watching that.

2:47:34 Speaker 6: One for sure.

2:47:35 Speaker 4: The ones that, yeah, hey, are you doing any other UFO things like this out this way? Or do you know anything that's coming out or are you hitting anything out that you know about, because I'd love to, like.

2:47:46 Speaker 5: Well, a couple of things. I always am a huge supporter of Contact in the Desert. Everyone should go to Contact in the Desert. It is the it is the best conference out there for this. I want to go, especially if you're in positions like you guys are, where you want a network and meet the other people who are out there, you'll be able to sit down. I mean, uh, you know, everyone out there is just like me. They'll talk to you. They they want to you know, work together. That's how I got to know Chris Ramsey, you know.

2:48:18 Speaker 5: And I'm so pissed.

2:48:20 Speaker 2: We didn't like And that's that's a testament to contact the desert to anyone who doesn't know or wants to know him. And I occupied that same space for those same four days, him being who he is, and I was doing my own thing and never cross paths, never cross paths with Gino like that. It's a testament to how big the fucking conference is. I was interviewing. I must have interviewed sixteen people throughout the four days.

2:48:49 Speaker 3: You know.

2:48:50 Speaker 2: Uh, but and and and had I known Gino was there, I would have made a made my way to introduce myself. Well, that's how big these fucking these conferences are.

2:49:00 Speaker 3: That's that's all I want to say.

2:49:01 Speaker 4: You know, you're you're a real cool, humble dude bro, Like thank you for being how you are, like welcoming and friendly, and shit like that was cool, Like you don't have to be here right now, this is awesome.

2:49:10 Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it.

2:49:12 Speaker 5: I've been getting attacked online lately, telling fucking that we're afraid to do uh uh to do m H three seventy And I tried to tell why.

2:49:27 Speaker 4: Gee, I wonder who's attacking you with that one trolling?

2:49:32 Speaker 5: And I tried to I tried. I was very cordial and I tried to say, look, this is the reason we didn't do it. And then uh, then I was told that I'm afraid of Joe Rogan and that's why I won't do it. I said, I'm afraid of my friend for twenty years. I don't think so, because that is because here's the thing, even if Joe doesn't believe in it, which I've never even had the conversation with him that I that I can remember. I'm sure maybe we mentioned it way back, but I've never I had a conversation about about it with him or Jeremy Corbell.

2:50:03 Speaker 5: He was the other one I was told I was afraid of.

2:50:05 Speaker 7: Uh.

2:50:05 Speaker 5: But the WI files, we don't. We talk about a story and we talk about what's real and what's not so we do both sides of the story. Anyway, what do we read afraid of?

2:50:18 Speaker 3: You know?

2:50:18 Speaker 5: And I gave the reasons why, which are which are a few. One it's it's still uh, it's just out there, you.

2:50:26 Speaker 2: Know, it's not uh in my opinion corridor.

2:50:32 Speaker 5: So and there's also people whose families have been affected obviously a lot of losses and and and like I remember when I was like Gung Ho back uh In during the fires in Maui, and I was angry about him, and I'm talking about, hey, you know, blue roofs and energy weapons, and my brother reminded me, Hey, we're not going to do that because people had to run into the water and they lost family members and and you know, so we don't want to diminish what's happened to people. So so that's one of the other answers.

2:51:10 Speaker 5: Now that said, uh, that doesn't that didn't preclude it from hey, that we're never doing it. But I'll tell you, you know, uh, there are some things that you know, just don't grab this interest the same as some of our other topics. So that's the other thing. To try and call me chicken for not doing a topic is Billy it's like, you know, it's uh, you're not gonna get your way just because you know you want to say terrible things about us, you know.

2:51:41 Speaker 4: And yeah came tie camera said, screw you them out.

2:51:51 Speaker 2: Were you at the were you? Were you there when fucking Ashton tried to run up on lost cool tart contact.

2:52:02 Speaker 5: I wasn't, but I did. I did have talk like it was. It was weird because he did jumping a little. And I'm not mad at Ashton. I actually like the guy.

2:52:13 Speaker 3: Uh, I think I think it's funny.

2:52:17 Speaker 5: I respect how much research he does. Uh And I told him that and that's why it was weird that he was kind of letting this troll go on because you know that diminishes what he's doing, so uh, you know, and like, look, uh he's right or wrong. The way I met Ashton was he was very nice, came up and and and introduced himself. We talked. I thought I thought me and him we were just fine, and now he's now. Then he wanted the after this troll came out and he started saying, oh, I guess I'm gonna call that the wifiuse.

2:52:52 Speaker 5: I was like, okay, if you want, but you're showing you know your personality trade here, I don't know what there's no argument between me and you. And not only that, but you haven't even asked how I feel about the actual content. You're you're trying to say that I'm silenced by someone. I'm not being silenced by someone. We're just picking other episodes that are better entertainment, that that are interesting.

2:53:20 Speaker 3: You know.

2:53:20 Speaker 5: The other thing is, like I told you guys, how I pitch pitch episodes. When we're talking to the team, you got to get AJ's attention. He has to go, yeah, this is the one I want to do. And I gave an example which I think was one of the best examples and kind of shows the genius that is uh, you know Aj and the WI files and his writing is I pitched the Moury Island Incident, which was the first one of the UFO stories. It has I walk in, I go, look, I got a great one for us. I got the Moury Island Incident.

2:53:52 Speaker 5: It's it's a few weeks before Roswell. It's uh, there's there's five. There's a bunch of UFOs in the air. There they're you know, one of them is wonky and looks like it's about to crash. So it starts overloading sludge or some kind of slag. Something that hits this guy's boat, breaks the arm of his son, kills the dog. He doesn't know what to do. There's this other witness that sees it, and so he goes back and then the men in black show up. Men in black show up and try and shut him up. And then to Air Force military men show up and they take the slag and they're taking it back to Washington, DC.

2:54:31 Speaker 5: They get on a plane. That plane explodes, boom. They're dead. Now, so I explained this story. I pitched and I go, and then at the end of the story, as I'm pitching, I go. And the crazy thing is this one second witness. Somehow he shows up at JFK's assassination and that's the end. Now, if you watched our story, the Maria Island incident is the first chapter, which is like three to five minutes of it, and then we go into Chrisman, who possibly is involved in the murder of JFK. So again it's the genius of aj that really, when he sees something, he takes takes a magnifying glass and looks for the interesting angle and looks for what we could bring differently to a story.

2:55:19 Speaker 5: So I again, I tried to explain, and I said, I don't know what we're going to do differently than all the info that's out there, not just Ashton, but all the inflo that's out there. What are we going to bring to it? We always try and bring something new. They didn't like that, do that answer either?

2:55:34 Speaker 6: So why can't them?

2:55:36 Speaker 2: Why files has become it's become Think about it like this. You guys are eminem right, and every other rapper is going to try to attach themselves to you because when they attach themselves to you that and you respond, that brings them up to you. That your you know what I mean.

2:55:56 Speaker 5: So it's like three days later and I stopped responding, and he's still right.

2:56:03 Speaker 6: They get they came at me to one and they're they're like, they're rabbit, some of them. Even if you're nights, Like, even if your night's about it and you just don't want to engage, they're rabbit. Twitter.

2:56:14 Speaker 3: Twitter is a wild place, dude.

2:56:16 Speaker 4: Twitter. I don't want to.

2:56:17 Speaker 2: I don't want to. I want to get too far into it on either side. But yeah, I interviewed early on. He was a very nice person. There are again, people with every movement that are those types, you know.

2:56:33 Speaker 5: I want to be very clear. I don't think Ashton's wrong.

2:56:37 Speaker 4: You think he's legit, you think that's legit. I think those things are legit. I know they the bunk. I think that video is legit.

2:56:43 Speaker 5: I'm not saying he's correct, but I don't think he's just wrong. It's I'm not like, I'm open, you know, I'm not saying saying, hey, like, that's what it is. The other thing I said, uh uh, you got you're biased because you want this to be what you say it is. And I said, why files doesn't do that? I would have to talk about the plane might have just crashed. It might have just crashed and that's it, and it.

2:57:10 Speaker 2: More Yeah, that it's most likely that that is the Actually the speaking of that, they actually just reopened the fucking investigation, the search. They just reopened it. The I think, what is it? The panemania? No, maybe I'm wrong.

2:57:25 Speaker 4: They're not gonna find shit though, I don't think.

2:57:27 Speaker 2: Hey, who knows, you know, it could be it could but it could be again, it could be interesting to see where it goes if they do present some sort of like finding and you then you start asking why why the timing? Why? Now you know, because families that are grieving. And my problem with this whole thing is, like what Gina said at the start, is there are people who lost real husbands, real wives on that plane and and you know, to give them even this much hope that they're they're loved, one might be alive.

2:57:59 Speaker 2: Like teleport is some other dimension. I mean, it's you're you're you're treading on really and really weird.

2:58:08 Speaker 4: The woo, it's the that's what you're treading on. He's treading on the woom.

2:58:11 Speaker 2: Yeah. And if I'll tell you what if that plane got to get teleported, where they where they went? I think it was happy, a happy ending.

2:58:20 Speaker 4: I mean either me either do That's that's what scares me is where where did they go? If that was if the footage we saw was legit, where did they go? And as far as Ashton goes, I I think he's funny. He was mad, cool and respectful to me. He was on my gaming side. He was like, I don't have an issue with him at all, So I could see what people don.

2:58:40 Speaker 5: My issue was with his troll, you know, not not with Ashton again.

2:58:45 Speaker 4: So it wasn't it wasn't him, It was somebody else.

2:58:48 Speaker 3: You know.

2:58:48 Speaker 5: He jumped in and tried and and he did jump in. But again I don't hold it against him. I think he might have been feeling attacked about it, but I wasn't attacking him. Again, I was just trying to explain, Hey, this is what our process is. And they didn't like it. They again were trying to say that we've been talked to or something. You have this specifically, no one's talking to me. Hey, where you no spooks, you're talking to me.

2:59:14 Speaker 2: You become if you're not with it, you become the Oh they're the deep state. They're the ones who are like, if you're not with it, you're you're you're the deep state, and you're you've been bought and you're paid for and you're uh uh this or that. But yeah, on.

2:59:32 Speaker 6: Twitter, there's no there's no nuance at all in Twitter. It's either you're all for something or you're against it. There's there's no one between.

2:59:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually one of the main problems now with that being said, Uh, you're gonna wrap up, gentlemen, It's been such a pleasure. You know, you're you have an open door here when you want. Trust me. I have such respect for for what you guys do, and uh, you know, keep keep doing it, dude. You're bringing people uh to the subject that otherwise they would not be plain and simple. So uh mat respect brother.

3:00:08 Speaker 3: And.

3:00:10 Speaker 5: Is great meeting every one of you guys. I appreciate a down there. Yeah.

3:00:16 Speaker 6: I've been a fan of the Wi Files since the beginning, so just to even be talking to you is really cool. To see what a nice guy you are is it says a lot.

3:00:27 Speaker 4: About you down Okay. Can't say enough nice things. Such a such a sweetheart.

3:00:32 Speaker 2: So we gotta yeah, we gotta what we're gonna do is we gotta plan something. You know, Contact is in June, first week of June, so we gotta cont we gotta put something together before then. I'd be really nice to see everybody. Maybe we could find out some common ground like event that's happening and we'll talk about that. Gene, where can people find you? A gino?

3:00:52 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, let me let me say one more thing before I go, and I'll see myself your mind. I do think they there are two other events going on before contact that I'll be attending. One is in l A and I I can't remember the name. I think it's Context. And the one in New York.

3:01:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you talk, so get here, Gino. Can you repeat that second part?

3:01:23 Speaker 3: Uh?

3:01:24 Speaker 5: Well, there's one in New York City. Might be a good place for all of us to jump in. For you East Coasters, yeah, that'd be great.

3:01:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's link up about it. And obviously everyone knows where to find Gino. I don't think you have Where's.

3:01:39 Speaker 5: Underscore gena on on most of the socials or if hey also, I'm always looking for new stories, so anyone feel free to pitch them. Go right onto Twitter and Where's Underscore Gino is my my handle. My d ms are open on both that and Instagram, or you could just go Geno g I n O at the wi files dot com. Right to me. I want to know what story we haven't covered. Maybe just don't tell me about Street seventy. But other than that, thanks guys.

3:02:18 Speaker 2: You know, my god, the fucking belly buster right there.

3:02:24 Speaker 3: Jean, Well, hold on, does Joe want to bow off next? Since Gino's gone by you guys?

3:02:37 Speaker 6: All right? You know, thanks, thanks for letting me know. Gino was done.

3:02:42 Speaker 3: Of course, dog God, how could I not come on now?

3:02:46 Speaker 9: Yeah, he was always glad to be.

3:02:53 Speaker 6: I don't have three hours sitting here. I'd love to, but I just don't have the time.

3:02:59 Speaker 4: His wife's like, away, get your ass off that computer.

3:03:01 Speaker 6: If you ever remember, Gene has met my wife.

3:03:06 Speaker 2: So I gotta I gotta pay the I gotta pay the fucking studio bills. I'm obligated. But yeah, Joe, U A P Reporting Center. Actually, fun fact, you can report, Uh, you have to the U Reporting Center.

3:03:23 Speaker 6: Now you gotta go to you know, I should have named it. I screwed up on the name of the website a little bit. But the website is ww dot www dot thecontact report dot com. There's a just a little feature It says, report put in information, all that good stuff and and that's how your report.

3:03:44 Speaker 2: And then where can people follow you?

3:03:46 Speaker 6: So on X is our primary Just at U A P Reporting c n T or just type in you a U a P Reporting Center will come up. Same name on YouTube as well. I appreciate for everybody to go over and give us a follow.

3:04:02 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, ship Gene. Yeah, books, I have an episode coming out with you.

3:04:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, everything's there Engineering infinitybook dot com. I'm starting to feel like Jay Leno. I just like I just pop on and co host with everybody and make the rounds, whether I'm being interviewed myself or just lending a hand in a voice and happy to do that. And uh yeah, just Infinity disclosed here on X and that's it. Beautiful the website beautiful.

3:04:35 Speaker 2: That's all I got veto last, but certainly not least.

3:04:40 Speaker 4: You can follow me on the perfect Storm Gaming on YouTube. The perfect Storm Gaming on YouTube is the fastest way to find me, and then all of my socials are in the link tree. It's the easiest way to do it. Instead of or peace Storm Underscore is a peace Form Underscore official. I forget how me see my.

3:04:55 Speaker 3: Twitter, but but the easiest way is just is just my YouTube is your tag?

3:05:00 Speaker 2: I'd say your mom's favorite YouTube channel.

3:05:04 Speaker 4: Unfortunately it does, and I didn't mean it to say it on your show.

3:05:06 Speaker 3: It was when you.

3:05:07 Speaker 4: When you switched it over hilarious when you well, because you know what it is. I have like twenty percent or more women that follow me, which is crazy to me. Everything suck flexing or what a little bit, little flex a little bit, you know what I mean.

3:05:21 Speaker 3: So, yeah, no, it was It was funny.

3:05:23 Speaker 4: It was a joke that I was doing my gaming buddies because they're like, how the hell do you have eighteen or ninety percent women? And I'm like, I'm a firefighter and I'm not ugly.

3:05:29 Speaker 2: I'm just chrubby, crazy stistic. Actually that's a good analytic. That's a good analytic.

3:05:35 Speaker 4: Yeah.

3:05:35 Speaker 3: No, I checked my shirt like a hawk.

3:05:37 Speaker 2: For everyone else, my DSLR is, Oh, my DSLR is back online. I don't know what happened. It just kind of shut off. It just fucking shut off there at the end. But everyone else you know what it is like share, subscribe, you can scan this QRC wherever it is QR code and uh it'll bring up the link tree and you can support us on every platform. As always, it's truly a pleasure to speak with the community. That was a real treat having Gino from the Wi Files on that, So thank you for that. Veto. That was awesome that Like, at first I saw him, I go, I don't think I'm fucking reading this right.

3:06:18 Speaker 2: I was like, is that I don't know if I should bring him up. I don't know what we do here. That dude is Gino. That was one of my highlights from this DC trip and everyone else. I got a bunch of stuff coming out right now, but we've edited it through, editing it out throughout the week. Anyone who is in this winter storm region. Be safe over the next couple of days. Uh, don't be a lunatic and purchase every loaf of bread. Other people need it too. Don't turn the grocery store into mad Max. There's no reason we've done this.

3:06:51 Speaker 2: We do it every year. So stay safe, like share, subscribe, rate, and review if you're listening in the future, and stay humble, stay kind, stay vigilant.

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