ANOMALIES ON MARS...The Red Planet HOLDS A DEEP SECRET Ft. Brian Corey Dobbs

0:16 Speaker 1: Stay all right, Welcome back to Total disc Oh damn, that was going to be so slick.

1:37 Speaker 2: I started this new thing where I was going to start the intro right at the tail end of the music. See how that worked out for me. Welcome back to Total Disclosure. Right, it's die. I have your host ed creator. We're going to be joined tonight also by producer Jeanie's going to be jumping in in just a moment. But the real fun, if you will, is someone returning from last week's live stream where we had a little ghost encounter, which was something new for me. Last weekend was fucking wild,

2:15 Speaker 2: multiple days of ontological shock and existential crisis. But yes, joining us tonight is Brian Corey Dopps. He is the award winning documentary filmmaker of Blue Planet Red. Brian's work delivers a ground breaking look at the evidence for life, fossils, artifacts, and hidden ruins on the Red Planet, as well as the UFO connection. Beyond his film, he actively drives the Mars disclosure movement forward through his YouTube channel, Blue Planet Red with Brian Corey Dopps of the same name. Get ready, We're going to be really diving deep into this and I don't think I've ever done a show that's specifically on Mars.

2:58 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to get into it. It's something that I am very passionate about because all many, many cultures have looked to the sky and talked about the Red planet. And you know, now that we're able to send you know, photographic machines and tools to our closest and you know, even some of our furthest celestial objects, we're starting to see that. I don't think everything's as cut and dry as the textbooks would have it. So with that being said, let's welcome today our friend Brian Corey Dobbs.

3:48 Speaker 3: I've read die. What's going on? Man?

3:52 Speaker 2: Not much. I'm battling a little bit. I'm a little bit under the weather. Yeah, we're going to do this show last night, but I had to chicken out because of my uh my voice sounded way worse last night. I always have a kind of gravelly voice, but god, it like, you know, I sounded like RFK junior yesterday. I hear you.

4:17 Speaker 4: Well, it's okay, man, we're here today, the sunshining.

4:21 Speaker 3: We got plenty of time and good company, so.

4:24 Speaker 2: Yes, listen. I wanted to open up the show with a little bit of banter. You know, that's what I do best because I fucking banter.

4:34 Speaker 5: Uh.

4:35 Speaker 2: I know you don't follow this stuff as extremely close as I do, but I wanted to kind of get your feelings on something. Do you know who lou Elizondo is?

4:48 Speaker 3: Yes? Of course?

4:49 Speaker 2: Okay, So you know Alexondo. You know Ross Coltart, Yes, okay. Do you know UAP Gerb.

4:57 Speaker 3: Only by name?

4:58 Speaker 2: Only by name?

4:58 Speaker 5: Okay?

4:59 Speaker 4: Well, rossining him last week and I sort of got the gist of what was going on there.

5:05 Speaker 2: Right, oh right, right, right, right, right right? I remember that. So Ross had UAP Gerb on the News Nation reality check program. They're doing like a two parter, and you know, some some pretty they're not. It's not anything new. I mean, people have been talking about Alexondo being this kind of legacy UFO program plant, or at least mechanism, whether he knows it or not, this mechanism of a controlled disclosure, right, And you know, ever since Alexondo first came into the UFO community in twenty seventeen, he's been pretty open about how he's not a quote unquote UFO guy, He's not a ufologist, he's not this, he's not that he's a counter intel expert who is asked to use his skills on or on and around the UFO topic.

6:11 Speaker 2: Now, what that sounds like to me is that he's doing someone's bidding. And it's always sounded like that to me. I I just don't yell and scream about it. The guy's been pretty open about what what he is and isn't. We're the ones or not we But there's some people in this community that follow the guy and everything he says like it's gospel. And I if you're defending the UFO gurus, like they're like your fucking fantasy football team, like reevaluate yourself. Yeah, right, reevaluate where you're at, right, And so gerb went on ross Colthard.

6:56 Speaker 2: The weird thing is is people in the community have been talking about at Lou for a long time. Listen, I kind of like the guy. There's something about him that I like, and I think that's why he's good at his job. I want to like him, I want to trust him, but I know you got to keep people like that at arms arms distance. So there's this idea of this role in government at least like liaison between government military and the public that I think Alizondo is at least gunning for so. But but Gerb and coltheart came out and they both kind of like endorsed this idea that lou is a plant from a from the legacy UFO programs plural, and that he has been sent kind of to control the nozzle, right.

7:50 Speaker 2: We can't let it overflow and flood. We have to let it drip out. What do you think of something like that?

7:59 Speaker 4: Of course it makes logical sense, I think in general, as it relates.

8:05 Speaker 3: To disclosure, we have these.

8:09 Speaker 4: Figures, these public figures, some of them were more notable than others, and the public applies a certain value to each one of them based on whom they're affiliated with. In a case of luel Azando, first the guy. First of all, I agree with you. He seems like a likable guy. Just the way he speaks seems relatable. He's got a cool name. He was featured on sixty minutes Okay, looking really sharp and coming from video production worlds and filmmaking and such, I'm sure you can appreciate. Simply having higher production quality associated with your public persona oftentimes allows you to have inherently more credibility in the eyes.

8:57 Speaker 3: Of the public, isn't that weird?

8:59 Speaker 4: Rights means a whole lot, and this is something that a lot of people don't really understand who are getting into this. But so so, you know, video podcasts have come a long way about the game. It's not just about audio now, it's about like what you can how you can present yourself. So that being said, because he comes from this, you know, from government, essentially, there is.

9:25 Speaker 2: Always definitely comes from government.

9:29 Speaker 4: Right government, I'm you know, there's a variety of ways you can define what government is, but you know, just to distill it down, there is always going to be and there always should be an inherent amount of skepticism as it relates to any government official, former or existing. You know, based on what exactly it is they're saying. There should always be skepticism there. I do get the sense that there is at least some amount of truth to what he is saying, in the whether or not it is entirely true or not.

10:05 Speaker 4: You know, I don't want to get so lost in the black or white aspect of it, because we are sitting here in twenty twenty six talking about flying saucers in the mainstream news, and I think that's an overall win for this movement. And figures like him, in the eyes of the uninitiated public, have an inherent amount of credibility because he is essentially vetted. He has the government credentials, he has the you know, the secret government credentials. And so for the people who just go to work and to come home and they put on the five o'clock news, there's that Ufo Gui from the government and he's telling it like it is and they don't know this.

10:49 Speaker 4: There's what you have on the mainstream news. And I don't want to knock the mainstream news. I mean it is there and everybody watches it, and that's fine. But then there's online culture, which like people like you and I are really tapped into and like it's we can't talk to our parents or our friends about this stuff. They're not into it. They just see the major headlines. And he's going to be one of those people in the major headlines. So us, you and I have to have that ability to discern a little bit more as it relates to what's coming from him.

11:21 Speaker 3: And you know, I think that's that's fair.

11:25 Speaker 2: Do you do you think it's our job to maybe enlighten people on you know, if they get But okay, let me kind of rephrase this because I want to jump obviously, I want to get to your your your topic. H But I couldn't help myself but bite into this a little bit tonight. Do you think that it's our job as people that are tapped in to kind of temper people's expectations if they do come across this stuff and say, know, maybe they're talking and they're they're a little bit bit misguided. You know, do you think do you think there is or do you think because there's no denying that the shift from twenty seventeen to now, you can't deny what the guy's done for the topic mainstream.

12:18 Speaker 2: You can't fucking deny it. Whether there's the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain pulling the fucking strings, he's the public face of that that momentum shift and to the Stars Academy. So you could argue that we aren't here today without the introduction of Louelizondo.

12:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

12:41 Speaker 4: Again, we have to give the guy credit here, Like this thing got kicked off twenty seventeen, that's almost ten years ago.

12:50 Speaker 2: Isn't that easy.

12:51 Speaker 3: It is.

12:52 Speaker 4: We've made a lot of progress since then, and I think the reason why you invited me on the show directly relates to what he was involved in and releasing these or leaking these these videos, these UFO videos to the New York Times way back in the day. I mean that that now we were having congressional hearings, we're having mainstream news coverage in this.

13:18 Speaker 2: I watched him, I watched him testify to Congress.

13:21 Speaker 4: Right, I mean, this is a big deal, whether or not he's playing a part. While he might be, but overall I see it as okay, he's he's helping the movement gain the attention that it deserves. But to answer your question, yes, it is up to people like us to you know, be a little bit more discerning and to try to contextualize this for the lay person who doesn't follow the day to day and it doesn't know all the actors and things of that nature. You know, as it relates to who to trust, where do we place most of our trust, which with which public figures?

14:01 Speaker 4: You know, I've got my people who I look to to try to you know, who do I trust on this topic? Who do I trust on this topic. Of course, it's never gonna be a hundred percent, nor should it be. But if you look at the the entire field of UFO disclosure and the and the personalities in it, you know, I think each one of us are gonna it's not a.

14:21 Speaker 3: Black and white thing.

14:22 Speaker 4: It's a spectrum, right, and I think that we have to take in as much information as possible, right.

14:28 Speaker 2: We shouldn't.

14:29 Speaker 3: We shouldn't necessarily choose sides.

14:31 Speaker 4: This isn't like what what's your favorite football team and like like it's you know, uh, we have to be a little bit more careful, a little bit more nuanced with with this information.

14:43 Speaker 2: That's it. It's a really good point. It's a really really good point. So with that being said, GB gurb in them. The thing that is kind of surprising me the most about it all. Oh I turned that by accident. I'll fix that in a minute. But what's surprising is now it's used to only come from the bottom up right, like it was it was lou Crue and then like it was the the people who loved him, there was the people that loved him, and they're the people that love him like kind of love him, love him yeah, and to the people that hate him, like, they don't just dislike him, they it's this really weird dichotomy.

15:35 Speaker 2: I've never seen someone so polarizing, Like not even doctor Greer, I would argue, is as polarizing in in retrospect, like if ten years from now looking back on it, unless Alizondo like comes out and shows us the body. Uh. He's just he's been so polarizing in such a short time that you know, I I think he's arguably more than more than Greer, and Greer's kind of like kind of like slipped away lately. Did you notice that?

16:09 Speaker 3: You know.

16:10 Speaker 4: I'm happy you brought up Greer because I was actually going to go there next. Greer, I think, was the first one I heard being critical of Alessando, being skeptical of Alessando. But this is years ago, and I'm thinking, why is he so hard on Alessando?

16:25 Speaker 3: Alessando?

16:26 Speaker 4: You know, it seems like he's coming out and trying to release this information. He seems genuine with his intent behind this. But right, Stephen Greer is one of these people who I place more inherent trust because he is number one, a political number two, unaffiliated with with any government organization.

16:49 Speaker 3: Now, certainly he's a controversial figure. Everything I don't I never heard that he worked.

16:58 Speaker 4: He was he was a he was a surgeon who got into this, and he was doing this long before it was cool. Man, And to be doing this for that long you got and you got to give that guy a whole lot of credit too. Now I don't know the deep history, all the ins and outs, but I'm inclined.

17:17 Speaker 3: To take what he has to say quite seriously.

17:20 Speaker 4: And this is the thing, you know, I was once offered, Hey, someone once asked me a hypothetical question. You know, if if I could, if I could gain a lot more exposure for the work that I'm doing with Mars, but I would have to be affiliated with a presidential administration.

17:40 Speaker 3: What I want to do that?

17:41 Speaker 4: And I don't want to do that. I do not want to be affiliated with any government entity, especially any political entity, because then there's going that along with that brings core inherent skepticism. People are going to be distrustful. You know. I hope that I never get accused of being, you know, playing a syop or something like that. People just like to throw that word around when they don't like somebody. Oh, he's just a sy up. He's doing a sigh up and things like that. Like I'm you know, all I have right now is my credibility, and I look to the people who are doing this and who are doing this with in my opinion, noble efforts, who aren't necessarily making a whole lot of money on it.

18:30 Speaker 4: Although I'm not necessarily critical of that, if you can understand public relations in a way to somebody has to report on this stuff, and it's a capitalist society of no problem making money on it, but you have to figure out where that money is coming from. And I think my main criticism of Greer is that he doesn't understand public relations well enough. And I don't think it's his fault that he's fallen by the way. Sid He's still doing what he's doing, but he doesn't necessarily have a He's a well spoken person, but I get the sense that his reputation suggests that he is, you know, a highly polarizing figure.

19:08 Speaker 4: He's not a very fun person to be around. And you know, I don't know all of his experiences, but you know, I'm sure he's rubbed people the wrong way. You know, he has made some wonderful documentaries with with filmmaker Mike Mozzola. You know, I don't know these guys personally. I pressed by some of those.

19:30 Speaker 2: I would argue that Unacknowledged is up there with like the top five, I would argue.

19:36 Speaker 4: That Unacknowledged is great. Lost Century would blew my frickin' mind. And I like production graality quality was fantastic.

19:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked it. But and and and I'll give Career credit where credit is due. He didn't. He didn't stray too far, like this was about the lost civilization and how to reclaim it, right, It wasn't. It didn't swing over to full ufology right right. He really kept the topical element alive on that one, which I actually respected a lot. Yeah. I think he puts out some of the best, the best films. But I also think James Fox is up there with you know, with what he does too.

20:24 Speaker 3: Oh well, James James Fox a great filmmaker.

20:27 Speaker 4: I was just commenting on the filmmaker that uh works with Mozol. Yeah, he's He's done some great work there, and I know he'd probably some other stuff there. I think if more people watch The Lost Century, they like Stephen Greer, a little bit more. It's just you know, uh, with with his personality, maybe it's just not as very engaging with the media, Like the media has to like you. That's how you get so much coverage is you have to be likable. And I think Stephen Geer's inherent problems that he's just not as likable as everybody else, Right, But that me tells me that he is a little bit more connected to the truth and not really biased or influenced rather by people who want to manipulate the narrative.

21:13 Speaker 3: Now, look, this is just my general feeling.

21:15 Speaker 4: Of course, Steven Greer is going to be a polarizing figure and people might might disagree here or there, but you know, it's all a spectrum.

21:22 Speaker 2: I think one of the greatest debates ever would be Greer Elizondo fucking I don't care. Put Jesse Michaels there to mediate it, right they you know whatever, Put Put one of these guys in there to mediate it. Put me in there to mediate it. I don't know, but I think that that would be, like short of like them divulging into name calling, like that might be the single greatest like that's up that might be up there with him. Hillary Trump Debate number one right right, like that's fucking electric TV right there.

22:09 Speaker 3: I'd pay to see that.

22:11 Speaker 2: What Lou Steven, Let's go, come on, we'll we'll fund it. Let's go baby. All right, Brian, listen, you've done a lot of hard work. Blue Blue Planet Red is the documentary. All the links for everything that you all your stuff will be in the description below for people on the replay. And I want to get into how after we I'm just gonna play the quick ad break and just get it over with ninety seconds. Will be right back, great bannswer session. We're all I'm feeling loose. I'm feeling a little bit better when we come back.

22:59 Speaker 2: I want to hear about how you first got into looking at Mars. Where did the fascination come from? Did you see that?

23:10 Speaker 3: Yep, it's happening again.

23:13 Speaker 2: Dude, guys, I can't make this shit up. I mean, last time, people were accusing me. By the way, I want to set the record straight. In that live stream, people were saying I was looking down. I was, my laptop was on the desk and I was looking down at the chat. But I was doing that the whole episode. I did not. I've I shelved a whole documentary because someone asked me to stage something. I shelved three years of work because someone asked me to stage something. No, I didn't stage the fucking light dimming, like, come on, but it's just gonna keep happening, y'all see, y'all will see my microphones explode.

24:06 Speaker 2: But we'll be right back, guys.

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25:56 Speaker 2: Good Feels Cannabis Seltzers replace the alcohol, keep the ex experience, stay in control. Now back to the show. I got to fix that. Ending back to the show. It sounds like so terrible, but all right, guys, So Brian, I am going to let you take the lead here. How did you get into the topic of Mars and how did you you know what led you down this path? Talk to me a little bit about your origins.

26:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll try to keep it brief here. You know, I've worked in nine to five like most other people until up till about COVID. And then my girlfriend suggested that I read a book by Graham Hancock, a called Fingerprints of the Gods, which I'm sure most people are aware of. I had never heard about any of this stuff, and I read it and I didn't get it. I thought this was fiction, and I'm like, what the hell is this? I didn't hear about any of this stuff. Then I finished it and I'm like, this is this is crazy.

27:05 Speaker 4: This seems like there's more to our past, there's more going on with our past than I was previously aware of. So I became a fan of Graham Hancock, just relatively, you know, four years ago or so. And then I was looking at his collection of books, and as it turns out, most people don't know this, but he's got a whole book written about Mars. Really, yes, really, it's called The Mars Mystery. And in it he's talking about the same kind of things that I've been talking about for the past few years. And this book was written in the late nineties, okay, and it talks it discusses NASA's Viking mission in the seventies to Mars and what they found primarily, and what they found was evidence for life and an ancient civilization.

27:59 Speaker 4: So the book has since been ridiculed quite a bit. I think Graham has distanced himself from it because there's a you know, with Mars, there's a lot of baggage, there's a lot of inherent baggage with it.

28:11 Speaker 3: The face on Mars, we could go through it.

28:14 Speaker 4: But as it turns out, there's a whole new generation of Mars researchers. Hello to people who are joining us, there's a whole there's a whole new generation of of Mars reachers or researchers who are finding all sorts of stuff tie and most the public is mostly unaware of this. I want to give credit to a man by the name of Richard Hoagland, who in the eighties spearheaded the modern day Mars disclosure movement.

28:44 Speaker 3: I don't think it was called that there you go Mars mystery.

28:47 Speaker 4: But in the wake of the Viking mission, which was NASA's incredible mission to Mars.

28:56 Speaker 3: Uh.

28:56 Speaker 4: They were, they were photographing some interesting things on this surface. And back then we had you know, lower resolution stuff, but we can still make out some anomalous stuff. And so a man by the name of Richard Hogland put together sort of a superhero team of independent scientists who would evaluate the data and analyze it from a completely different point of view than what NASA was doing, because NASA is like, there's nothing to see here, and Richard Hogland and company saw things differently, and they had public relations campaigns over the years, blah blah blah.

29:31 Speaker 3: Its so sort of fizzled out.

29:33 Speaker 4: The public's interest in it fizzled out, maybe at the turn of the century. However, there have since then there have been a new crop of researchers, both you know, professional and independent, who have done a lot of work analyzing Mars, Mars's NASA's Mars data, publishing research papers on it, publishing things to the internet.

29:57 Speaker 1: Uh.

29:58 Speaker 4: And what I do is I cover the people, so I don't do the research itself.

30:05 Speaker 3: When I research the researchers and I try to report on all.

30:08 Speaker 4: I'm sort of like maybe yourself a nexus point of all things Mars disclosure. So you were telling me a few minutes ago about how there might be something in the news that you have twelve people contact you about it.

30:22 Speaker 3: The same thing for me, but as it relates to Mars.

30:25 Speaker 4: Now, fortunately we you know your podcast, total disclosure. In my opinion, disclosure has to include Mars. Based on what I've seen, what we continue to see. There is some overlap, like here's an image you just have up here. This is what most people are familiar with, a boring, desolate, rocky landscape. And that's what NASA is really good at, just putting these pictures out of to the public saying hey, look here's Mars. Everybody, look at the rocks in rock. Yeah, there's rocks and weather on Mars.

31:02 Speaker 4: And that's about it. That's all NASA really does. NASA does great work with engineering, Like I want to credit NASA for furthering our understanding of the universe and the Solar system, et cetera, et cetera. Unfortunately, they've discovered a whole lot that they're just not talking about. The data is there. All my work is based off of their own data. And when I say data, that includes photographs. Okay, so photographs are admissible in court as evidence, and we've got so much good stuff tie over thirty forty years now, high resolution photography, multiple rover missions that we've got more eyes looking at this.

31:46 Speaker 4: We're citing sources, and I'm in touch with now with a community which I'd like to highlight their work because you know, I'm at the nexus point of all all things Mars, disclosure, biology, palaeontology, archaeology and UFOs.

32:05 Speaker 3: That were here.

32:06 Speaker 4: You know, we could start talking off today because there's so much really cool stuff there happening.

32:13 Speaker 3: So much.

32:14 Speaker 4: After I read Graham Hancock's book, I read another book by doctor John Brandenberg. I'm like, I got to do something about this because I'm a filmmaker. And I said, well, what needs to be done is that there needs to be some sort of comprehensive Mars documentary. And I looked around like there wasn't anything. All this data was published, but it just wasn't all put together. And when you put it all together, the totality of evidence paints a very different picture of Mars than the one that most.

32:42 Speaker 3: People are familiar with.

32:45 Speaker 4: And if you understand all of the facets towards all of these interesting discoveries that NASA has made yet doesn't really comment on. Then you'll start to understand what it is that I'm talking about. So I really thank you for your interest in having me on the show today, because I think this is going to blow a lot of people's minds absolutely.

33:09 Speaker 2: I mean, this is one of those topics that's just like it is so interesting to me that, you know, because I have a lot of theories myself on you know what, like in my in my opinion, maybe one of the things we can start with is this idea that humans may have, Like we all know that there's a big scar across Mars, right and that there some say that there was another planet in our solar system and that it impacted Mars, and there was life on Mars, intelligent life that escaped and they went they came to Earth, and that is why our biological clocks or more tuned to Mars.

34:03 Speaker 2: You know, the sun burns. Us uh. We stood you know, if you're going by evolution, We shed our fur only to need pelts in the winter. We stood up only to have back pain, you know, we don't we also, like you look at every other thing in the every other creature, every other insect, every other animal. It seems to have this delicate balance with the ecosystem and it takes what it needs, but it doesn't it doesn't, you know, it's a it's a perfect balance. Humans we take and take and take and take and take and take and take.

34:51 Speaker 2: Rarely do we give back a small percentage. Have you ever heard this theory?

35:01 Speaker 3: Yes?

35:02 Speaker 4: And actually one of my goals tie is to try to thread that needle just right, because I do think there is some amount of truth to it. Although because I'm such a nuts and bolts guy, it's a lot harder of a it's a challenging task to try to We've that narrative in where the origin of humanity was on Mars and then came to Earth. We do have mythological texts, you know, of which I am not inherently familiar with. I just hear about them, and it's something I need to get to eventually. I am in touch with you know, we're gonna go on the deep end just just for a moment here.

35:48 Speaker 3: I am in touch with remote viewers and channelers.

35:56 Speaker 4: So if you entertain the metaphysical analysis aspect of Mars disclosure, a lot of what they have to say supports exactly what you just said. The challenge is how do you communicate that to the public who is still sort of adopting and emerging their interest or gaining interest in the metaphysical I think it's coming more and more mainstream, so that you know, that's something that I say for like the the the later levels, the the two or one or the three oh one version of Mars disclosure, I like to try to focus on one oh one, especially for those people who have never heard about any of this stuff no time.

36:42 Speaker 3: Most people don't even know that there's water on Mars.

36:45 Speaker 2: Right right, and not just a little, like a lot, especially at the polar at the caps.

36:54 Speaker 4: You know, yes, yes, so the polar ice caps are mostly H two oh.

36:58 Speaker 3: You can see them with the telescope.

37:00 Speaker 4: However, buried across the entire planet, just a few centimeters down is ice. So a lot of you know, Mars used to be this blue planet. This is why I title a blue planet red. It was once a blue planet like Earth, but then something terrible happened to it, which is a part of what I cover exactly what happened, and then a lot of that water evaporated and a lot of it kind of sublimated down into the soil and froze. But as we know, ty, where there's water, there's life, even if it's ice.

37:35 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, sir so yeah, And you know, I find it to be quite telling that, like, you know, not not just from our like modern day, but since humans looked up, they always found the red planet as this this thing, right, this thing that could affect you physiologically. You know. Now it's like people talk about Mars and retrogade and stuff, and like, while I don't necessarily believe that that kind of thing, like, there is a reason and a mystery that people look up to Mars, the red planet, and they see this this bought this celestial object that is an enigma wrapped in a mystery, wrapped in you know, like just this this cosmic detectives like documentary and is it?

38:36 Speaker 2: Is it? It's also true that that NASA has shaped the public perception of Mars as being this desolate, rusty terrain when in reality, Uh, I don't think that's actually the case, is it?

38:55 Speaker 4: I Mean, Mars is red because it's covered in rust. Okay, but what does that tell us?

39:02 Speaker 2: Right? But if you're on Mars, is it as orange as this?

39:06 Speaker 3: Ah?

39:07 Speaker 4: Well, I think what you're alluding to is how NASA has unfortunately, for a long period of time, manipulated the colors of these rover photographs, making it appear a lot more red than it actually is, including the sky. Mars sky is actually a whole lot more like ours. It's depending on the time of day. It could be blue, it could be purple, you know, reddish and orange depending on where the sun is in sunset and things of that nature. But you know, if you look at the Perseverance Rover landing video with there's a camera looking straight up in the sky and it's a blue sky.

39:47 Speaker 4: So why does NASA want to try to hide that from us? You know, we can only speculate, but we have, you know, reason to believe that they they want to paint a picture of Mars where it.

39:57 Speaker 3: Is not a habitable world. And it's not. I mean, if we show up there tomorrow, it's it's no.

40:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not gonna be We're not just gonna plant the flag and fucking live there.

40:07 Speaker 1: No.

40:08 Speaker 2: So uh, but I think I have the picture you just referenced. Is this it?

40:15 Speaker 3: Yeah?

40:16 Speaker 4: I mean this this is a good picture here. This is a more color accurate picture where you can see that that just.

40:24 Speaker 2: Looks like we're in like the Nevada desert, right Arizona.

40:26 Speaker 3: It does, it does. So NASA has started fixing this problem.

40:33 Speaker 2: But there's a huge you do agree that there's a huge difference between this and this, of course, Okay, we can all agree that that that's like, that's almost kind of But by the way, this one's one of my favorite little like what is that? Dude, what the fuck is that? But I didn't mean to put that one up there, But there's a huge difference between the color grading there.

41:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, and they started doing that day one as soon as they started getting back lander photos from the Viking Lander in nineteen seventy six. You know, I for the film, I interviewed a lot of people, including a gentleman by the name of Ron Levin, who is the son of doctor Gillivin. Gilivin was the person who designed one of the biology experiments that went to Mars in nineteen seventy six, and Ron was in the control room as a you know, twenty young twenty something, and you know, we're going to work.

41:33 Speaker 3: With his father.

41:34 Speaker 4: His father's working on NASA's is really cool. But he's looking at all the monitors and they're beaming back the pictures, and all the monitors immediately start showing Mars with the blue sky. And immediately one of the technicians went around to all the monitors, you know, these analog monitors started turning knobs to make it appear less blue, like.

41:52 Speaker 3: Ooh, right off the bat.

41:55 Speaker 4: So I, you know, I interviewed Ron for the film and he recounts the story and he says, then I went and I changed them all back to the proper color.

42:02 Speaker 2: Aha.

42:03 Speaker 3: They got in trouble for it.

42:05 Speaker 4: So immediately they're starting to like, oh my god, what this marsh shouldn't look like this?

42:10 Speaker 3: Why does it look like this?

42:12 Speaker 4: And I think the basic idea is that NASA doesn't want to give the public any reason to believe that Mars is a lot more like Earth than you know, this this dead planet that they really want to tell us that it is.

42:30 Speaker 2: But why do that? Now? We could argue, right, we could argue that NASA fights for their funding per year, right, Yeah, why not let it slip out that Mars is maybe more habitable than we anticipated and get public support for more missions. And act because the space race only worked because the populace was behind it. Right, Look where look where modern space exploration has has has ended up. It's ended up, you know, mostly in the private sector at this point, and public interest has waned like very And this this didn't just happen like recently.

43:26 Speaker 2: This was during the Apollo missions where public interests started to wane because there's there's only so many times you can land and it be this cultural moment, right, so why not try to recreate that that drive where they're funding kicks up? And or is there something on Mars that they want to keep secret so that they can specifically exploit it and and let like keep the rest of the world in the dark about what might actually be there and what the potential that's untapped.

44:05 Speaker 4: Literally, this is going to sound conspiratorial. This is going to sound like will we do my friend? I can address this directly. This is going to sound like X files. But there is everything that I say I can back up to an official source. Okay, there is something called the Brookings Institution Report.

44:28 Speaker 3: Have you heard of this?

44:29 Speaker 2: I course have heard of this, yes.

44:31 Speaker 4: Okay, so it basically advises NASA. Hey, look back in nineteen sixty NA. So you're going out and outer space, you might find some stuff once you start landing on these planets.

44:42 Speaker 3: I'm paraphrasing here. If you happen to come across any.

44:46 Speaker 4: Artifacts or ruins or signs of an ancient civilization, you might want to think twice before you tell the public, because if you tell the public, they might freak out cause panic and society it's elf might crumble. So this is you can there's a Wikipedia page about this thing, okay, and this is directly related to what we believe NASA's playbook is. I've spoken with the people who've been studying this stuff and who've been working on this stuff for decades, and they said, basically, this has been institutionalized.

45:23 Speaker 4: They have reason to believe that this playbook has been institutionalized, and they're still running.

45:27 Speaker 3: This playbook today. So now, if I'm.

45:30 Speaker 4: Trying to be fair here, if I'm in charge of the country or the world, do I want mass chaos?

45:37 Speaker 2: No?

45:37 Speaker 4: I mean I enjoy my peaceful life. So do I want to be responsible for totally disrupting paradigms and causing the world to go into turmoil. No. However, at some point we have to be honest with what with the public, with what we're finding up there, and I now, in the wake disclosure now becoming popular and hip and fun. I argue that NASA, that SpaceX, that the Mars Society, that these Mars focused organizations, I argue that they should adopt Mars disclosure and their messaging to the public because I do think, like the Space race, that would galvanize public support to get more funding to go to Mars quicker.

46:28 Speaker 4: Okay, not just for colonization purposes. Mars is a crime scene, Okay, it's we've got to figure out exactly what happened. We have a good idea about what happened. But you know, when you have a crime scene, what do you do? You study it first before you you know, say okay, all clear, you can start using the space again. So until we do that, I don't I really don't think we can just say, hey, let's put boots on the ground and start planning flags. We really got to go there and investigate further what we are already looking at with remote landers, rovers and orbiters.

47:14 Speaker 4: You know, we'll get into the details here. So I do think it's okay now for them to take a different approach because NASA has NASA traditionally speaking, has not been in.

47:27 Speaker 3: The business of disclosure. They want to be.

47:29 Speaker 4: They're a mostly trusted organization that people feel safe.

47:36 Speaker 3: Talking about.

47:37 Speaker 4: NASA doesn't want to get into the weeds about any of this disclosure stuff, and it as it relates to Mars disclosure specifically, imagine the most horrifying aspects of UFO disclosure. TI that all the terrible things that Stephen Greer talks about, Okay, abductions and things like that, trafficking blah blah blah blah blah.

47:54 Speaker 3: That's like the deep end. Okay, that's the terrible shit that we hear about.

47:59 Speaker 4: There's a whole lot of terrible shit with Mars, and if people knew what that terrible shit was, they might freak the fuck out. You think they might because it's terrifying.

48:18 Speaker 2: Okay, tell me what's terrifying about it?

48:24 Speaker 4: Well, top level here, the planet used to be blue like Earth. It was it was like Earth before Earth was like Earth.

48:37 Speaker 2: Right, so lush, it had atmosphere, greenery, water, Yes, Okay, it's not that anymore so something and obviously there's evidence of a huge fucking tear on the front of it.

48:55 Speaker 4: Yes, what happened to the planet okay, and what happened to it is terrifying.

49:08 Speaker 2: Be a war.

49:10 Speaker 3: Well, I didn't want to spoil it, but.

49:14 Speaker 2: Well, didn't they find zion one there?

49:17 Speaker 3: Yes, the sphere okay.

49:19 Speaker 4: So there's NASA's narrative which makes everybody feel safe. But then there's their data which suggests something completely differently, which does explain the scar and explains the weird nuclear isotopes in the atmosphere and if it was once blue tie with oceans, lakes and rivers and a breathable, thick atmosphere which gave rise to life and arguably intelligent life.

49:53 Speaker 3: And I've got a little bit of a show and tell here which I can show you.

49:57 Speaker 4: Then that means there's an entire humanoid civilization, a global civilization that was wiped out right next door, and.

50:11 Speaker 3: That there are there.

50:13 Speaker 4: Maybe they were us, maybe they were just related to us, Maybe they were just they were right next door. So you know, when I talk about what disclosure is in movie terms, I like to put it this way, like, I think disclosure is a mix between Star Trek, Star Wars, you know, Men in Black, right, But you know when Star Wars opens up and we have Darth Vader annihilating alder On. The evidence collected by NASA and I have vetted this, I have looked into it.

50:51 Speaker 3: John Brandenburg has published on this.

50:53 Speaker 4: The evidence thus far only points to one thing, and that the atmosphere was ignited. This is Oppenheimer's worst fear. For those of us who watched Oppenheimer has that scene with Matt Damon, because they were before the Trinity test, remember this, They were like, what are the chances you're going to ignite the atmosphere annihilate all life on Earth?

51:17 Speaker 3: It's not zero near zero?

51:19 Speaker 2: Right? Uh? Well it's not zero either.

51:27 Speaker 4: That is what happened, and it was not a natural event.

51:37 Speaker 4: So when I say terrifying, I don't know about you, but when I read this in John Brandenburgh's book, I kept I couldn't sleep for three nights tys and I felt compelled to do something about this. Now, if NASA knows this, do they want to come out to the public talking about this? Look, I mean, this is a lot right off the top of the show. I usually try to save this for later.

52:00 Speaker 3: You brought it up. Who can talk about it? No problem? But NASA knows this.

52:04 Speaker 4: I have talked to nuclear weapons experts about this. I have vetted this. I NASA refused to sit down with me for an interview. JPL refused to sit down with me for an interview. Lawrence Liverpool Or National Laboratory refused to sit down with me. NATO refused to sit down with me. Georgia Tech Steve Bugowski nuclear physicists, nuclear weapons expert, refuses to sit down with me. But he did communicate with me over email, and I have not yet seen anything that tells me otherwise. There's a lot of detail involved with this because it sounds nuts.

52:43 Speaker 3: Believe me.

52:44 Speaker 2: I know.

52:45 Speaker 3: This is why I wanted.

52:48 Speaker 4: To make sure that this was absolutely water tight before I messaged on it.

52:54 Speaker 3: And as far as I can tell, it is.

52:57 Speaker 2: Who That's a yah. I mean, admittedly that is a terrifying notion, because what that signals is that, I mean, at any moment we could we could light we can light this candle and there's no going back, no going back. And I mean yeah, I mean so when you say the atmosphere, I mean it ignited. I know we might be getting into some speculative territory here, but what does John say that cause the ignition? Is this warring factions? Is this a civilization that got too greedy? You know what? What what was his thesis on what that could be?

54:02 Speaker 2: I know, there's no way we can definitively know, but what was kind of the consensus?

54:09 Speaker 4: We can entertain a few ideas. There's never gonna be any certainty on this. We'll rather until we go there and start collecting more data boots on the ground. All we have is speculation, but one of three things at least, Okay, number one, they did it to themselves. Okay, we could do it to ourselves. However, it's not just nuclear holocaust. It is atmospheric ignition and to do that. The only reason why Oppenheimer wasn't able to ignite the entire atmosphere of Earth was because there wasn't enough energy output from that bomb.

54:50 Speaker 4: In order to create enough energy, you need as much atomic weapons that would fill the empire state building this God damn, Okay, that's how much you need. John Brandenburg did the calculations, all right, This is and this is one to two orders of magnitude more powerful than the media that is credited for killing the dinosaurs. Okay, it is so so much, all right, So if they didn't, I don't I would think they didn't do that to themselves. But if we're entertaining a couple other ideas. Brandenburg, doctor Brandenberg, who has been the only one, by the way, who was published on this, and he's still with us today.

55:44 Speaker 4: He doesn't give it get enough credit. He has never been asked to sign an NDA. He brought this information to the Pentagon. They told him to publish. If they would have told him not to, he would have said okay, But no, they instructed him to publish that.

55:58 Speaker 3: He says. They want this out there, they just don't want to talk about it. Okay.

56:02 Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, but he posits that, well, aliens will just say Aliens are a lot like us. There's some good and some bad, right, Yeah. Maybe maybe the bad guys came and they just wanted to wipe everybody out in this age of AI.

56:22 Speaker 3: Maybe it was AI. This is all speculation. I don't really try to sign.

56:29 Speaker 4: Anything here, okay, because I might lose people.

56:33 Speaker 3: All I really want to do is talk about the nuts and bolts.

56:36 Speaker 4: And what the nuts and bolts say is that there are three radioactive hotspots on the surface of Mars okay, where two large explosions went off, the shockwave wrapped itself around the planet and then collided with itself. And then there's another hot spot on the exact opposite of the planet.

57:00 Speaker 3: Okay.

57:01 Speaker 4: These hotspots are radioactive with thorium and potassium, and thorium is interesting because if you add thorium to an atomic weapon, it boosts the output, Okay, and it makes a whole lot more xenon one twenty nine, which is an isotope of xenon Okay, And the only other thing that makes this level of xenon one twenty nine is a supernova. But a supernova didn't go off and place a bunch of xenon one twenty nine on Mars and nowhere else in the Solar system. That's ridiculous. It would have blown everything up.

57:40 Speaker 4: So clearly something happens, specifically with Mars. Now, there's a lot more that we could go over because there's a lot of speculative there's there's a lot of skepticism. There's a lot of skepticism as a relations to this, but it's only because people don't understand the details. And I understand all these details which would bore some of these people. But this is why I want to try to get nuclear weapons experts engaged in the discussion, because they want to point to.

58:08 Speaker 3: The country of.

58:10 Speaker 4: Gabone, which is a country in Africa which has a uranium mine that millions of years ago, they figured out that water seeped into this uranium mine and it started a natural nuclear reaction.

58:23 Speaker 3: Okay, but there's just one problem that type.

58:28 Speaker 4: Not all nuclear reactions are created equal, and that type of nuclear reaction is similar to what happens in a nuclear power plant. The neutron absorption from one nucleus to another is slow. What they call it s process for slow. Okay, what happens inside the physics that happens inside of a thermonuclear weapon is our process rapid neutron absorption. Okay, so it's not the same thing, and that's the best they got. They can't counter with anything else. So it leads me to believe that Brandenburg really knows his stuff, and then everybody else just wants to pretend like this data doesn't exist.

59:15 Speaker 2: Jesus, So let's go to some of now, because I know you said that that was like a little bit more advanced. Let's go let's kind of take it, take it from the top and give me some entry level, Like, let's do this the way you kind of anticipated. I threw you for a wrench there. Let's go back and like, all right, how would you if I was someone who had never ever talked or understood or have looked into anomalies on Mars and craft being seen in the atmosphere of Mars or not in the atmosphere of Mars. What little atmosphere there is?

1:00:09 Speaker 2: Where would you take me? How would you take me down this path?

1:00:13 Speaker 3: Yeah?

1:00:13 Speaker 4: Well, ty, for someone like you who's hip to all this disclosure stuff, I mean, we'd probably we could start with UFOs, which is I'm sure what a lot of your listeners would like to see, because there's.

1:00:26 Speaker 3: UFOs on Mars, which will show you.

1:00:28 Speaker 4: But for the uninitiated, the general public, delay person, you know, I start with water. Do you know there's water on Mars? They keep putting out these news stories. Hey, NASA found water on Mars. Guys, this is yesterday's news. This is last century's news. Right they confirmed this fifty years ago? Okay with Viking. Now Viking was It's something that most people don't even know about today. But it was this monumental mission to Mars, and in fact, it was a double mission Viking one and Viking two, sort of like Voyager one and Voyager two.

1:01:07 Speaker 4: Right, They sent Viking one and two to Mars, and each one of them had a lander and an orbiter, So there's two landers and two orbiters. The landers went down, they just landed, they can't move, and they collected soil.

1:01:26 Speaker 3: Samples and did biology tests.

1:01:28 Speaker 4: They did atmospheric measurements, collected a lot of data on the ground.

1:01:32 Speaker 3: The orbiters photographed a lot of cool stuff.

1:01:35 Speaker 4: So from all of that data we're able to derive some information and some knowledge about this interesting planet right next to us. And long story short, they did three biology tests and all three of them returned results consistent with microbial life active microbial life. So to distill this down, NASA discovered microbial life in nineteen seventy six.

1:02:02 Speaker 3: Now, why don't most people know that.

1:02:06 Speaker 2: Right, because that seems like an important discovery.

1:02:10 Speaker 4: It is, and the reason why most people don't know it is very stupid. Here it is, they sent three biology tests. They also sent one organics test. Okay, there's a difference between active life and organic material. When you think organic material. You think when a leaf falls from a tree and it decays. Okay, when you compost stuff all that organic material, it's not alive, but it's the building blocks, right. They didn't find any organic material in the soil of Mars in nineteen seventy six because their test wasn't good enough.

1:03:00 Speaker 2: Ah, the old we didn't do well.

1:03:04 Speaker 4: They found organic material later when they got better equipment and they started sending rovers curiosity rover found organic material.

1:03:12 Speaker 3: They still find organic material.

1:03:14 Speaker 4: You go back a month ago, they're making news headlines about finding organic material all over the surface of Mars. The organic material is in there. And this is the difference between soil and regolith. Regolith is dirt without any organic material in it. Soil has organic material in it. So we don't have regolith on Mars. We have soil on Mars. But NASA in nineteen seventy six got positive life test results but negative organic so they said, ah, we're not sure what to make of this.

1:03:42 Speaker 3: This is ambiguous data.

1:03:45 Speaker 4: It wasn't the home run that they were expecting, so they really really weren't sure what to say. So they said, well, our life test results are inconclusive. Now In all fairness, I understand why they did that, but I got to hold their feet to the fire here because when they eventually found the organic material later, they should have revisited this result.

1:04:08 Speaker 3: Then they did.

1:04:08 Speaker 2: Ah, I see what you're saying.

1:04:10 Speaker 3: And they have not done that.

1:04:13 Speaker 2: Huh.

1:04:16 Speaker 4: So you have the designers of there's one that the first test was called the labeled release experiment. All you do is you scoop up soil, you feed it some nutrients, and you see if any gas comes out.

1:04:29 Speaker 3: Okay, Organisms eat food, they make gas. That's it. Okay.

1:04:35 Speaker 4: And this particular test was run over four thousand times here on Earth. It was designed by a sanitation engineer, a PhD, who had to test soil and water samples to see if there's any pathogens in it okay.

1:04:47 Speaker 3: And he produced this.

1:04:49 Speaker 4: This homemade test essentially that he used for his job this before he worked for NASA. And it was run over four thousand times and it never produced a false positive nor false negative. It was a perfectly designed test. So at a cocktail party, Gilavin said, hey, he meets the NASA administrator at a cocktail powdery party in DC and he says, hey, I heard you going to Mars. Are you guys looking for life? And the administrator says, yes, we're looking for life. He's like, well, cool, I got justice thing for you.

1:05:19 Speaker 4: I got a test that can test soil and see if it has any Mie crobs in it and tests down to like, you know, ten parts per million or something. Ridiculous. It's so sensitive it It was a perfectly designed test. So they sent that on both landers, on two different sides of the planet, both of which found life multiple times. And that should have been it. They should have popped the champagne then and there, but they didn't. So now we're here. Here we are fifty years later. The man has gone to his grave and even his cod designed are the person who helped helped him adapt it for Viking that to make it smaller or physically get it in the thing.

1:05:58 Speaker 4: They're both dead now, and they both been marginalized by their communities. Their communities thought that they were crazy because they were advocating that they found life, and they did.

1:06:09 Speaker 4: So that's where the story starts, is microbes, and it's a tragic story. But I am trying like hell to try to get these people more recognition because I think their story deserves to be told, and I consult with the modern day scientists, guy named doctor Stephen Benner, who was an award winning biochemist in Florida who actually invents new forms of DNA. He knows the Viking biology experiments inside and out better than anybody on the planet. I've spent considerable time with him, and a lot of what I'm telling you now is stuff that he is published on, and he is trying to get his entire astrobiology community to understand that NASA's narrative of no life on Mars is completely wrong.

1:07:01 Speaker 4: So that's that's where we're starting with ty, you know, and most people have no idea, and going further, since nineteen seventy six, NASA has actually discovered other evidence for microbial life on the surface. So I cover this. This is what compelled me to make this documentary. It's what you know. I learn new stuff like you learn their stuff. New stuff comes to me, and I continue publishing videos on this. I still cover it on my YouTube channel because we're learning new and new things. And you know, there's there's people all over the world who're studying this stuff that nobody knows about.

1:07:42 Speaker 3: Relatively few people know about.

1:07:46 Speaker 2: Wow, So we're starting with life, microbial life already existing on Mars. I mean as a starting point. That is that like for me, that's like the gate right. If we're finding if there is microL be a life or even a potential for it, I mean that that should be the ticket. That should be the one way ticket, right or not?

1:08:12 Speaker 4: Well, that's even microbes aren't sexy like flying saucers. But but it would still be paradigm shifting information. And if people only knew that NASA scientist doctor Carol Stoker, who in two thousand and two published an abstract saying her

1:08:35 Speaker 4: experiment aboard one of these landers found evidence for chlorophyll,

1:08:42 Speaker 4: then we might be having you know, most more people knew that, then we might be having a different story today.

1:08:48 Speaker 2: Didn't we come from? Am I wrong about this? Because now I know this is you know, not your field per se, But didn't we? Don't they? If you're subscribing to the whole idea that we, like, you know, came out of the ocean, But you know, weren't we once microbial life? That's where it started.

1:09:15 Speaker 4: So you're looking at it from a purely evolutionist perspective.

1:09:19 Speaker 2: Sure, right, So why why is it not sexy? Because what that signifies is that that this primordial soup that that they tell us about, that if it happened here and it resulted in us eventually, if there's microbes out there on Mars, that's almost like a confirmation that life, inevitably, given time, gets to the point that we got to. And if it's happening a couple a planet over, I'm exponentially growing my number of places that it's happening through the universe. Uh.

1:10:12 Speaker 3: Yes.

1:10:12 Speaker 4: And in my discussions with the many experts I've spoken to, I am of the firm I have the firm position that what you're alluding to here is not just evolution but panspermia.

1:10:29 Speaker 3: Yes, we have proven pan spermia.

1:10:35 Speaker 4: There's a whole most of the scientific community has no knowledge of the things that I cover. I have spoken with experts who shall whose credentials shall not be questioned. We have beyond a reasonable doubt proven panspermia. So I agree that mycrobial life should be sex scene.

1:11:00 Speaker 3: And maybe I'm just characterizing it wrong.

1:11:02 Speaker 4: I'm just saying relative, you know, it doesn't Well, let's just put it this way, Todd, do you ever see these headlines where it says scientists are looking into Scientists use the James Web Space telescope to look at the atmospheres of these planets millions of miles away orbiting other stars, and they'll say scientists have found biosignatures in the atmospheres of Exo.

1:11:26 Speaker 3: Stuff like that. Okay, do you know what they're looking for specifically? That makes them think that?

1:11:34 Speaker 2: Isn't it? The Uh? Shoot?

1:11:36 Speaker 5: True true?

1:11:39 Speaker 2: Uh put me on the spot here, and that's going to make me fucked up. But I just tell me because I know what it is.

1:11:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a tongue, it's a mouthful. It's something called dimethyl sulfide.

1:11:52 Speaker 2: Divet thank you sorry, and that is only produced by life. Correct, Yes, Okay.

1:11:59 Speaker 4: So guess where they also found thy methyl sulfide. Mars Curiosity rover found it. When it found the organic material, it also found thy methyl sulfide. Jesus, So I think this is a big deal. Sounds like you think it's a big deal. This is why I I cover this because most of the world doesn't know this. NASA collects the information, they publish it, they just don't.

1:12:27 Speaker 3: Report on it. So at least me an opportunity to do.

1:12:31 Speaker 2: So why Okay, Okay, my mind is already fried.

1:12:41 Speaker 3: We haven't even got the heat, I.

1:12:44 Speaker 2: Know, and I'm gearing myself up. Well okay, so what what huh? What comes next?

1:12:59 Speaker 4: What?

1:12:59 Speaker 2: What some? What is the what? What's the next step? Now we've gone through that microbes exist, that there's water there. We see on Earth, that life life, it doesn't just find a way. But in places that like it's it's involcanic area, it's in It not only thrives, I mean it not, it's not only there, but it thrives in the places we would least expect life to thrive. So life finds a way, I mean it always does. So there's these microbes, there's evidence of of of even something else on Mars. There's Zon one twenty nine, which is indicative of you know, either nuclear war, you know whatever?

1:13:53 Speaker 2: What what what? What's your next big thing? What's the next thing that you want to talk about?

1:13:59 Speaker 4: Well, but before we get that, one has to ask

1:14:07 Speaker 4: why hasn't NASA gone back and tested again for microbial life like they did nineteen seventy six and nineteen seventy six. Ninety seventy six was the only time NASA ever sent any biology experiments to Mars. We know that they send rovers there and they keep telling us they're looking for life, but none of these rovers, nothing since nineteen seventy six, has had a biology test on it. We think that they just want to avoid another public relation's mishap. They just don't They've already set the narrative now here we are decades later.

1:14:45 Speaker 4: They don't want to own up to their mistake. This would be so simple to do, and there are tests, and I'm in touch with the Steven Benner and his team down in Florida who are actually designing a life detection that can detect the difference between known and unknown forms of DNA and would put put this thing to bed overnight. We have the technology, Why doesn't NASA want to send it there? Why doesn't SpaceX want to send it there? Logic would dictate you might want to figure out if there's any pathogenic material on Mars before we starts any astronauts there.

1:15:20 Speaker 2: Well, someone said it in the chat that those microbes might even kill us when we get there.

1:15:26 Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, right, But they they don't want to. They don't want to do this stuff anyway. So you know, we could talk about that all night long. But to advance the conversation here, where do we go from microbes? Well, if if if Mars was like Earth, it was a blue planet, it had microbes, did any did any multicellular life arise from that?

1:15:51 Speaker 3: And the answer is the answer is arguably yes and not. I'll just you know, not only.

1:16:04 Speaker 4: Do we have photographic evidence for fossils, Tye, we have a handful of fossils, we actually have evidence for what appeared to be machine like artifacts, debris, things that just don't look like rocks photographed by the rovers, and large megalithic structures as photographed by the orbiters. Most people have not seen any of this stuff. They know the face on Mars and that's it. But Tie, we've got a whole lot more stuff. Sorry, Mike was off.

1:16:44 Speaker 2: The face on Mars is arguably the most well known. Is that in the Sidonia region.

1:16:50 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so.

1:16:54 Speaker 2: I've heard a lot about other structures on Mars. Remote viewers the best of the best. When it comes to remote viewers, we're asked to look at Mars. Yes, in the past. I mean, whether you believe in remote viewing or not some of the things that they've talked about. I mean, so introduced. Pretend I'm the layman, talk to me about So what do you mean structures on Mars? Are we talking monoliths? Are we talking ruins of temples? Are we talking paridolia potentially? Where you know? I mean, we know that there's no right angles that are naturally forming typically in the universe.

1:17:48 Speaker 2: It's not to say it can't happen. It's just ninety nine point nine nine nine percent of the time doesn't happen. It's very very it doesn't. It just doesn't really happen. Not it doesn't happen naturally. But you know, if the Mars rover runs something over and then it looks like a right angle, I mean, you know we're up there now, right, we're doing things. So I think we do need to be careful when you know, we do see something, we definitely need to analyze it. But okay, what do you mention? So what is there architecture to this stuff?

1:18:29 Speaker 2: Is what is going on?

1:18:33 Speaker 4: Ty? What everyone needs to understand is that there are these independent researchers that NASA takes all these photographs and then they just publish them online with no commentary, no fanfare, no press release whatsoever. The independent guys out there who spend their free time looking at this stuff. They have day jobs, but they spend free time looking at this stuff. They sift through hundreds, if not thousands, of these images, and they'll stuff that just doesn't look natural. They'll publish it to the Internet and open it up for discussion.

1:19:07 Speaker 4: And there are a few of them that I'm in touch with who I'd like to highlight today. One of them is his name is Jean Ward. He's in South Africa. Another guy, Gary Ligier, he's in Colorado. There's someone who I think was watching might be tuned in here. Carrie Stebertson. She just got in the game. She's from Norway.

1:19:26 Speaker 3: These are the researchers.

1:19:27 Speaker 4: Out there, just just a few of them. There's more, okay. Joe White is another one who they I don't agree with everything that they find, but these are my These are my These are my heroes here, because these are the guys who were and ladies who are actually finding this stuff.

1:19:45 Speaker 3: And I'm going to show you here just a second, all right. They're finding all sorts of things, and it would there's too much to show you all of it.

1:19:55 Speaker 4: So I just kind of want to show you the best of the best half dozen or so examples, and what I think most people need to see first are the very large structures that, in my opinion, do not appear to be natural.

1:20:17 Speaker 3: And Carl Sagan.

1:20:20 Speaker 4: Has this very famous quote, extraordinary claims.

1:20:27 Speaker 3: Require extraordinary evidence?

1:20:29 Speaker 2: Does it though? Do they? Do they though? Or does it just require evidence? Because evidence is evidence, plain and simple.

1:20:39 Speaker 4: He's got the quote everyone loves, I don't post posting that every time we you know, there's all this that's what skeptics want to go to first, to which I would respond with another quote by Carl Sagan which he made in his Cosmos TV series in his Cosmos book, which is intelligent life first reveals itself through the geometric regularity of its constructions.

1:21:04 Speaker 3: What is he talking about?

1:21:05 Speaker 4: He's saying, if you're an alien in a spaceship looking down on a planet like Earth, how would you first know that there's intelligent life there? You'd start seeing things like city grids, large pyramidal structures, straight lines, things like this, things that just don't appear to be naturally created. And one can reason that if we start to see.

1:21:35 Speaker 3: Pyramid shapes.

1:21:38 Speaker 4: We can discern the difference between a pyramid in a volcano, can't we tie? We know the difference, sure can.

1:21:46 Speaker 3: You're flashing something up here.

1:21:48 Speaker 4: This is an interesting structure here which is actually twelve miles away from the face, which is one of the things that they originally photographed in nineteen seventy six called the DNM pyramid, named after its discoverers Deep Petro and Molinar.

1:22:03 Speaker 2: One of the things I wanted to ask you about this and why I flashed it is because obviously, top down it just looks like a hill, right, but this is actually like if you were on the surface, this is fucking crazy big.

1:22:23 Speaker 3: Yes, it's two and a half miles long.

1:22:27 Speaker 2: Like I think that's where people get a lot of misconceptions about Mars, because like we're looking top down and you don't get that always that depth. But yeah, present some of the stuff that you want to show us.

1:22:42 Speaker 4: Of course, that one's a complicated one because that's actually a five sided structure and it requires a little bit more explanation than I want to get into tonight.

1:22:51 Speaker 3: I want to stick with simpler stuff.

1:22:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, fair, because I just think it might be a little bit easier to grasp for people who have never seen any of this stuff.

1:22:59 Speaker 3: But first, ty, can.

1:23:02 Speaker 4: You tell the difference between if you're looking top down satellite imagery?

1:23:05 Speaker 3: Okay?

1:23:06 Speaker 4: Do you think you're the type of person you can tell the difference between a pyramid and a volcano? Yes, I appear a pyramid in a mountain, yes, a pyramid in a hill. Yes, Okay, I think most people have enough common sense to be able to tell the difference. Now, what how would you define what a pyramid is? If you were explaining what a pyramid is? What is a pyramid?

1:23:31 Speaker 2: Like? Like the definition of what? Yeah? Like?

1:23:35 Speaker 3: How would you describe its shape?

1:23:38 Speaker 2: A pyramid is a I mean it's a it's a three dimensional essentially, it's a geometrical triangle that well, now I'm gonna I'm gonna sound like an idiot.

1:23:54 Speaker 3: But something with four sides, four sides?

1:23:58 Speaker 2: Yeah? What four sides?

1:24:01 Speaker 3: Were sides?

1:24:02 Speaker 2: Four equal sides that rise up and form a point at the top the the the base is always wider than the than than the point, of course, uh sure? Yes? For uh for equid equal yeah, yeah, four equal size triangles that come to a point. Yes. Okay, So sorry, I sounded like an idiot. I tried to sound smart, but then I sounded dumb.

1:24:33 Speaker 3: You you know what it is. You know it when you see it, right.

1:24:37 Speaker 2: Absolutely now.

1:24:38 Speaker 4: I when when we in the Mars disclosure community post images of these structures online, we'll oftentimes get people saying, oh, no, we have natural looking pyramidal shapes here on Earth, and they'll post an example of a photograph taken at ground level looking at the side of a mountain. Okay, and sometimes they just look like a perfect triangle. But when you take a look at the orbital photograph of that same structure, it's asymmetrical. It doesn't there's no equal sides, there's none of that. Okay, they just got lucky on one ground level shot.

1:25:14 Speaker 4: It kind of looks like a triangle.

1:25:15 Speaker 3: Okay.

1:25:16 Speaker 4: So when we're discerning the difference here, I we have the great fortune of having an abundance of orbital satellite photography which demonstrates this symmetry and geometric regularity that Carl Sagan is talking about. And I'm going to show you stuff that, in my opinion, is undeniable. And I don't think most people have ever seen this stuff, which is why I get so excited. My mind is blown as to why we're not all talking about this more. But anyway, so instead of talking more about it, let me just show you.

1:25:48 Speaker 4: May I present my screen?

1:25:50 Speaker 2: Please do, my friend?

1:25:52 Speaker 3: Okay, so let's see is this here? Share screen?

1:25:55 Speaker 2: Here?

1:25:56 Speaker 3: Let's do this here screen? Okay, sees it's green? Two?

1:26:02 Speaker 4: Yes, here we go. Okay, tie, tell me what you see here? These are pyramids?

1:26:13 Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.

1:26:19 Speaker 4: Do they look like pyramids though? Be honest, No, that's right, But guess what they are in Egypt?

1:26:35 Speaker 2: What the fuck?

1:26:39 Speaker 4: These are certified pyramids in Egypt. Okay, I'm showing you this first before we show you the other stuff because I want to make a point.

1:26:56 Speaker 2: What the fuck?

1:26:57 Speaker 4: These things are mostly reduced to rub You wouldn't know these things are a pyramid unless we got boots on the ground and knew the history, right because none of these appear to be pyramidal in shape, not top down. No, okay, yet we still accept these as pyramids?

1:27:15 Speaker 2: Okay, right? Right, I know all of them.

1:27:19 Speaker 4: This is what they look like from the top down. Wow, all right, they don't look like much.

1:27:28 Speaker 2: The only one that really does is the Hawara. Yeah, and that's like, that's really not even like. I wouldn't really like that would stand out to me either, though.

1:27:39 Speaker 3: It's not impressive, is it? No?

1:27:41 Speaker 2: Not even close? No, I feel like so I feel so dumb right now.

1:27:48 Speaker 3: It's okay, It's okay.

1:27:50 Speaker 4: This is my trick question up front sort of thing, because I want to get people acclimated.

1:27:55 Speaker 2: That's an off factor clip that.

1:27:58 Speaker 4: I gotta get people acclimated to what they're about to see, because as it relates to Mars, this concept of there being pyramids on Mars is so unsettling for people that they just want to reject it out right, Well, NASA hasn't said there's pyramids on Mars. I'm not going to believe you, person who I've never heard of, even despite it looking exactly like what a pyramid should look like. I'm going to do the mental gymnastics in my head to make myself believe that what I'm seeing isn't true. Right, Okay, right, we can Okay, So here's an here's have you seen this before?

1:28:35 Speaker 3: This is on Earth? Yes? This is.

1:28:41 Speaker 2: Wait a second, where are we here? One? Two, three, four? Is this is this a step pyramid?

1:28:49 Speaker 3: This is on the other side of the world in Mexico.

1:28:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is part of the Okay, this is South America.

1:28:56 Speaker 4: The area known as Taotiacon. Yes, okay, Oh do we lose it?

1:29:04 Speaker 2: No, it's there. You there, ty, Yeah, I'm I'm here. I can still see it. Can you guys hear me? Chat? Can we uh? Oh?

1:29:25 Speaker 3: Here we go? Here we go? Can you see me?

1:29:28 Speaker 2: Yeah? Who? Just who glitched?

1:29:32 Speaker 3: I don't know.

1:29:34 Speaker 4: Sorry, I don't know who. I don't know what happened. Nothing happened here. It's just kind of frozen.

1:29:39 Speaker 2: Chat. Let me know. Let me know. Was it him or me? Because I just want to know for my sake?

1:29:46 Speaker 3: Spooky stuff? Having it again?

1:29:47 Speaker 5: Yeah?

1:29:49 Speaker 2: Was it? I know, guys, we have I know someone glitched, but which one was it? Was it him or me? But god? Continue? Oh it's him?

1:29:59 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, sorry about that. I don't know what's happening.

1:30:02 Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't trying to put you on the spot or anything.

1:30:04 Speaker 3: Yeah that's okay, Yeah, no problem.

1:30:06 Speaker 4: So Ty, This this is the pyramid of the Moon. In the ancient area of Mexico known as Taoti Wakon. There's pyramid of the moon, a pyramid of the sun. This is the Taeoti Wacon site. Now, what do we see here? We see a obviously four sided pyramid structure. But what's interesting is that we also have what's connected to it. Here is this this front part, I don't know what you want to call it, but this front stepped part. Right, So it's this giant pyramid with this front stepped part. Now, if you were to imagine what this would look like with let's say five hundred million years of dust blown on top of it, you might imagine that the edges won't be so sharp, correct, right, It might be a little rounded off.

1:30:54 Speaker 4: It's not going to be in pristine condition. We just saw the Egyptian pyramids, which are only thousands of years old, which or nowhere near good shape. Okay, so we don't have any vegetation problems on Mars that would cover this up and make it look like a hill, you know, as unexcavated pyramids tend to look like. But if we just imagine dust accumulation, there's still a little bit of wind that blows around dust and grains of sand everywhere on Mars. So if you just imagine what that might look like, well, is it inconceivable that.

1:31:26 Speaker 5: This, holy shit, holy shit.

1:31:37 Speaker 4: Would be a pyramid. Holy shit, Now how big do you think that is?

1:31:50 Speaker 2: Well, that's my problem with these top down shots. I really have no reference frame, so just I mean, it looks small. But but do you know what I mean though it.

1:32:03 Speaker 3: Looks I know, I know it's I know.

1:32:07 Speaker 2: That the scale is so much bigger than what we like. Our eyes play tricks. So tell how big is this thing on the left?

1:32:17 Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, what do we see here?

1:32:19 Speaker 4: We see we see a square shape, all sides are equal. We see four triangular faces, all rising to an apex.

1:32:28 Speaker 2: All rising to an apex. And we even have a little bulge in the front right.

1:32:37 Speaker 3: Exactly. Okay.

1:32:39 Speaker 4: This was discovered by South African Jean Ward. Okay, and this this comparison. I have another buddy, George Hasshu, who linked these two. So shout out to those guys. This is two and a half miles wide.

1:32:59 Speaker 2: You guys fucking kidding me? Are you serious?

1:33:05 Speaker 4: It's clearly not a volcano. Volcanoes don't have four equal, flat, triangular sides. It's not connected to any other mountain range. It's stand alone. And that's the other thing. These things are stand alone. They're not connected. It's it's sometimes you'll have a mountain peak that peaks and it looks like a pyramid at the very peak. But then if you look at the total landscape, it's people like to show this thing in Antarctica all the time and like, that's clearly a mountain peak from a round mountain range.

1:33:39 Speaker 4: This is not volcanoes on on Mars. Look a lot like volcanoes on Earth. They're round with a caldera at the center.

1:33:48 Speaker 2: Yeah right, very clear, and and and and volcano. Yeah I agree.

1:33:54 Speaker 3: Okay, So.

1:33:59 Speaker 4: This is a NASA photograph and we've published on this, we cite the sources. You can go and look at this for yourself. Okay, this this is the incredible work of this community. They're finding stuff like this, NASA publishes it, they don't talk about it.

1:34:12 Speaker 3: Leave it to the input.

1:34:13 Speaker 4: Okay, So next, unless you want to have any other questions about.

1:34:19 Speaker 2: This time, no, no, no, please, okay, I'm.

1:34:21 Speaker 3: Just showing you the best at the best here.

1:34:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, here's an example of another rover I'm sorry, another orbiter photograph.

1:34:29 Speaker 3: Okay.

1:34:29 Speaker 4: The satellite is up and outer space and it's looking straight down. Now you might notice.

1:34:34 Speaker 2: Something in directly in the center.

1:34:38 Speaker 3: It's not too hard to see, is it?

1:34:40 Speaker 2: My eye goes directly to it because it stands out so fucking much, because it's the only fucking thing in the picture that has a shape exactly like a shape, meaning a shape that is recognized.

1:35:00 Speaker 3: It's a geometric shape.

1:35:02 Speaker 2: And you can see the dust drift, yeah, you know what I mean, you can see those things that look like ripples. Randall Carson talks about this. You know, we get that one with dust and sandstorms, but we also get it with high velocity water.

1:35:20 Speaker 4: Right like sand dunes or ripples right all over the place. These are all a morphous.

1:35:27 Speaker 2: And then there's just a there's just a perfect what is that?

1:35:34 Speaker 3: So?

1:35:34 Speaker 4: How many sides does it look like it has?

1:35:37 Speaker 2: Genuinely looks like it only has three sides, which is throwing me off.

1:35:41 Speaker 3: Which that's right.

1:35:42 Speaker 4: So not all pyramids on Mars have four sides.

1:35:48 Speaker 3: And if we take a closer look at this tie.

1:35:51 Speaker 2: God damn it, man, what what the.

1:35:58 Speaker 3: Now?

1:35:58 Speaker 4: Skeptics we'll push back on this, especially NASA geologists, and they'll say, well, it's not in pristine shape like our pyramids are here on.

1:36:08 Speaker 3: Earth, so therefore it's therefore it's natural.

1:36:13 Speaker 4: Now, I wonder what wind or water or geological process would make a three equal sided tetrahedron in the middle of nowhere, connected to nothing else. You can see the sand here, look at the sand dunes. The wind is blowing a certain way. I don't see how it makes this out of nothing, out of out of you know what I mean.

1:36:36 Speaker 2: Dude, what the fuck I my mind is I I've seen some of this stuff before, but I can't wrap my head around this.

1:36:53 Speaker 4: This was actually discovered a quarter century ago, and uh, you know, just most people haven't seen it because there hasn't been enough attention on Mars, which is you know, I'm trying to change that, and you know, thanks to you giving me this time to demonstrate this, because these guys need more.

1:37:13 Speaker 2: We need there's no doctoring in these at all.

1:37:18 Speaker 3: Right.

1:37:18 Speaker 2: Where are we obtaining these photos?

1:37:21 Speaker 4: I'm downloading them directly from NASA's websites. They have a multiple different websites depending on what instrument they're using. I source everything. Everybody can go look at this for themselves.

1:37:32 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, so I could independently pull this image and it was exactly like this.

1:37:37 Speaker 4: And if yes, if you can't find a link on my web page or YouTube or something. You can just contact me on Twitter, email me, and I'll be happy to provide that to you. I do my best every time I publish something up. We were totally transparent about this. We're publishing the source url and go and look at this stuff up for yourself. So all right, interesting, all right, next one ready. Oh, here's just a different shot of it and the same thing, same thing, just a different angle of it.

1:38:07 Speaker 2: Okay, are we still top down for the most part.

1:38:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's not a it's not precisely above. You can see it's at a slight angle here, and it obviously is an out in pristine condition. But NASA tells us tie that Mars lost its water three and a half billion years ago, which I assume means whoever was living there.

1:38:32 Speaker 2: Didn't live much longer than that, much.

1:38:35 Speaker 3: Longer than that.

1:38:36 Speaker 4: So if I'm taking their timeline, these things are over three billion years old now, And again I.

1:38:44 Speaker 2: See where you're going with this. This is three billion years of like dust storms and you know, outside impacts and you know, kicking shit up, and I mean, right, this is kind of what you'd expect, like the geeze a pyramid to look like if we disappeared tomorrow and the next people came along three billion years after.

1:39:11 Speaker 3: Or even let's just say conservatively fifty million years.

1:39:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right, right, even fifty million years. Like, look at something like ummm, look at something like go Beckley Tepe or any of the Tepeys.

1:39:27 Speaker 3: Right, you're only talking about ten fifteen thousand.

1:39:31 Speaker 2: Years completely buried. Guys, Chickens start going missing, disappearing through a hole in his wall, and then pop they find an underground.

1:39:43 Speaker 3: City, right exactly.

1:39:45 Speaker 2: Like, guys, is it really that hard to wrap your fucking heads around?

1:39:49 Speaker 4: So we have the great fortune tie of Mars. Essentially, the surface of Mars is essentially preserved because there's very little weathering and erosional force that can happen, because the atmosphere is so thin that all I can really do is have dust devils and blow around sand and find particles. But still there's going to be some amount of accumulation that happens on these structures and some amount of erosion, especially over eons of time. So I'm not bothered that these are not in pristine condition.

1:40:23 Speaker 4: Obviously, there's enough symmetry and geometric regularity here that you can rewind the clock in your mind, use your imagination to figure out what this might have looked like before, and understand that, at least here on Earth, no natural process creates such structures.

1:40:43 Speaker 3: Right, got a few more ready for the next one?

1:40:50 Speaker 2: Sure?

1:40:51 Speaker 4: Okay again, here's an orbiter photograph. All right, Now, this this is actually a compositive multiple photographs. You can kind of see where the outlines of them are stitch together based on multiple This is covering a very wide area. And I think you know something like this we capture, you know, Google Earth. The Google Earth pro program actually has a Mars setting. You can actually analyze Mars the same way you would with Earth, so to get.

1:41:17 Speaker 2: These top pole Mars, right.

1:41:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is this is probably taken from that program, which is why you see these stitch together things. But this is all NASA is doing. Okay, I didn't do this. NASA put this together. But again it should be obvious just at a glance, like what do we see here?

1:41:39 Speaker 3: Ty, what do we see? We see this landscape, it's got metior impacts all over the place.

1:41:49 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so I was gonna say, but they also oddly don't seem to be deeper or shallower than any of the ones around it.

1:42:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean maybe I don't really go into the depth of these these meteors, but you can obviously see the ejecta right, Yes, there's a there's an impact and the ejective goes out.

1:42:13 Speaker 3: You can see this everything that's been splashed out of it.

1:42:16 Speaker 2: Right, So the like these kind of seem like pock marks where they're you know what I mean, they're hitting and there's uh yeah, exactly. So.

1:42:27 Speaker 4: Uh if a meteor comes down tie and makes an impact crater two and a half miles wide, uhh, that's a big explosion. You would think that anything directly adjacent to that impact.

1:42:45 Speaker 2: Would be destroyed, wiped out.

1:42:49 Speaker 4: So can you see anything next to a crater that, yes, does look like it should be there? Yes, okay, we're going to zoom in. It's right there in the center. Yes to this thing?

1:43:01 Speaker 2: What the fuck? Come onidding me?

1:43:09 Speaker 5: This look?

1:43:10 Speaker 2: Come on?

1:43:11 Speaker 4: Come on, I know, man, I know this has some interesting history to it. This is known as simply crater pyramid. This is a high contrast visual. I have a I have a better visual coming for you in just a moment. But this, this crater is two and a half miles wide, and this structure is one point seven miles wide.

1:43:39 Speaker 3: Now already you can.

1:43:40 Speaker 4: Kind of see we've got triangular sides here, equal flat sides.

1:43:47 Speaker 3: It is a bit round here.

1:43:49 Speaker 4: But again, what does a million or five hundred million years worth of sediment deposits look like on a perfectly you know, organized structure. The logic being how this thing existed before this impact, it would have been annihilated.

1:44:04 Speaker 2: Annihilated it.

1:44:07 Speaker 4: It doesn't have a colder at the top, It is not conical, it has sides to it.

1:44:11 Speaker 3: It is not a volcano.

1:44:14 Speaker 2: And hold on, mm hmmm, what are you saying came first?

1:44:24 Speaker 4: Well, logic would dictate that the crater came first, and either mother and either Mother Nature decided it wanted to spring up a symmetrical, four sided pyramid structure right on the lip of it, or somebody had the idea that they wanted to build something on the lip of it and.

1:44:48 Speaker 2: Make it a sacred place sort of some sort that that how could you not and you and building that like that, you would have to be able to appreciate what it looks like top down right, like you'd think that whoever was looking at that would be like you know, I want to create this, and we see this in our own pyramids, right, the precision that mathematically they are mirroring cosmology and mathematical precision. This seems like one of those kind of things where it's it's built not because I mean, it's not built next to but it's built because of right.

1:45:33 Speaker 4: And I've got my own idea about why it's so damn close to this thing, and I'm inspired by the work of Jeffrey.

1:45:42 Speaker 2: It does look like the Signs logo.

1:45:46 Speaker 4: Do you know Jeffrey Drum of the Land of Kem, Yes, yes, Okay, he's talking about the Egyptian pyramids being these chemical factories.

1:45:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

1:45:56 Speaker 4: His main one of his main thesis is that the Great Pyramid needed to be in close proximity to a water source because it had Right, what would this crater have been filled with back when.

1:46:12 Speaker 3: It was a blue planet? Oh, that's what I like to go with.

1:46:19 Speaker 4: I don't spend a whole lot of time messaging on that, but I'm like, well, if I'm going to borrow something from that logic, that makes sense to me. All right, let's let's take a close bet. We got a better This was taken a quarter century ago. Let's take a better look. They reimage this with better resolution cameras.

1:46:41 Speaker 5: What the fuck?

1:46:43 Speaker 3: Okay?

1:46:43 Speaker 4: And you can see the sides better here. It's a better contrast, all right. And it is right on the lip of this crater, and you can see there's no damage. There's no damage to this thing. And I'm seeing one, two, three, four sides, straight lines rising to an apex.

1:47:08 Speaker 2: How is this? I mean, do you think they've had rovers go up to these and confirm this and they're just not telling us?

1:47:21 Speaker 4: No, I don't think they're they're purposefully avoiding these locations with the rovers.

1:47:27 Speaker 3: Now, interestingly enough.

1:47:28 Speaker 2: We have come on, come on, Brian, Brian, you're gonna tell me you think that they are not doing absolutely everything they can outside of the public eye to find out what the fuck that thing is.

1:47:46 Speaker 3: I don't think they need a rover to figure that out.

1:47:48 Speaker 2: Well, agreed, like some sort of secret space initiative.

1:47:54 Speaker 3: It is certainly possible.

1:47:55 Speaker 4: Again, ty, I try to keep my messaging to the nuts and bolts, you know, fair enough, all right? And the the interesting thing about this is you. You you talked about you, you you mentioned the remote viewers.

1:48:12 Speaker 3: Okay, Joe mcmonagall right, and Ingo Swan. He had a team.

1:48:16 Speaker 4: Okay, this is the Stargate program and they were talking about remote viewing Mars.

1:48:22 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, well I think one what was it one? Well, yeah, million years BC or something like that.

1:48:31 Speaker 4: Joe mcmonagall to clarify, Joe McGonagall was tasked to view Mars one million years BC. Okay, and then most people miss this part. But then his monitor asks Joe mcmonagle says, I'm seeing the after effects of a cataclysm here, and then his monitor says, well, go back to the time before the cataclysm, and then that's where his you know, viewing picks up from. But regardless of yes, it's a long time in the past.

1:49:00 Speaker 2: Just didn't he say that he saw beings there and one of the beings saw him.

1:49:05 Speaker 4: Yes, he did. But the pyramid that he saw was this one. This he was talking about.

1:49:16 Speaker 3: Whoa this specific one way.

1:49:21 Speaker 4: And if you go on YouTube, you can find a clip of Joe mcmonacle giving a presentation showing this same exact pyramid, talking about this telling you everything I'm telling you.

1:49:32 Speaker 2: Now and if where to believe what he saw was real, then he saw beings inhabiting that area.

1:49:43 Speaker 3: Perhaps perhaps again, I don't know if it's.

1:49:46 Speaker 4: This area or another area, but he he remote viewed it. Then he got the coordinates and went to JPL and found he calls them negatives, but he found the photographic evidence. And what he looked at before was you know, the one I showed you just a second ago, this thing, but this is a later This is later image, but it is this precise one that he and Ingo Swan's team remote viewed and they all reported the same thing. Large megalithic structure one point seven miles wide and four Oh here's here's the best part.

1:50:21 Speaker 4: NASA has actually commented on this.

1:50:24 Speaker 3: This one here, and what they say.

1:50:29 Speaker 4: Is that they consider this to be something a geological term known as a came k a m E all right, or a knob another word of another word that they use k n O B. Knob is a more common way of saying came These are geological terms, but they are both used to describe essentially what amounts to a glacial deposit. Glaciers deposits. Glaciers pick stuff up when they move, and then when they melt away. This is all the stuff that's left after they melt away. Now, I don't know how mother nature would pick up a bunch of rocks and debris, loose rocks and debris form a symmetrical pyramid with four equal flat sides one point seven miles wide.

1:51:26 Speaker 4: I don't know how glacier does that. That to me sounds like bullshit. But that's the best that NASA has. NASA wants to frame everything into geological context. Clearly, that's nonsense.

1:51:41 Speaker 2: I agree. I couldn't agree more.

1:51:45 Speaker 3: All right, just a few more here.

1:51:47 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm loving this.

1:51:49 Speaker 4: Okay, same kind of thing, big landscape. This is a composite of multiple images. But you can see these giant craters here. You know, this crater here is probably eight miles wide, let's say.

1:52:13 Speaker 2: And then directly in the middle. Again, what do you see a fucking pyramid?

1:52:20 Speaker 3: Something just just doesn't look.

1:52:23 Speaker 2: Something I spy with my little eye. Something that doesn't fit the surroundings.

1:52:31 Speaker 3: Yep. So if we especially.

1:52:34 Speaker 2: When it's contrasted with a bunch of fucking circles.

1:52:38 Speaker 3: Yep, it's it's not. Do you see any mountain ranges in here?

1:52:43 Speaker 2: Not that I would be of an identify.

1:52:45 Speaker 3: Wait, you know what a mountain range looks like?

1:52:47 Speaker 4: You look at Google maps often enough to be like the Colorado Rockies, right, you know what a mountain range looks like.

1:52:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see any elevated, any elevated landscapes that that would indicate.

1:53:02 Speaker 4: That there was something here, Like this is elevated, clearly, but that's like a morphous hill or mesa or something like that. But it's clearly geometry or rather geological. But this thing here in the center, immediately we can tell there's something different about it.

1:53:18 Speaker 3: So what zoom into that? Shall we?

1:53:20 Speaker 2: Shall? We?

1:53:22 Speaker 3: Okay? That thing? Yes, that thing right there?

1:53:28 Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, right.

1:53:37 Speaker 4: Bro imagine if it's five hundred million years old, conservatively speaking from one side to another, each side on perpendicular sides is one point eight miles. We have four flat triangular sides, all rising to an apex. We have opposing ninety degree angles. It is not part of a mountain range. And if you notice ti there's craters all over the place, but not really on this thing.

1:54:25 Speaker 2: Yeah. Can you you zoom out a little bit?

1:54:29 Speaker 3: Yeah?

1:54:30 Speaker 2: So see this, uh this like it almost looks like the line continues up and down to the land. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1:54:44 Speaker 2: I wonder what that is?

1:54:47 Speaker 3: Good question?

1:54:49 Speaker 2: Maybe like water runoff where there was like a little bit of a lake or something. Again, so assuming that you know these things are near water at one point to some degree, Uh, that one, I'll admit, this one is probably the one I'm gonna have the most hard time with. So yeah, I just I don't know why. I just I can't exactly explain why, But I can't deny that there are four distinct triangular shapes pointing to an apex with no discernible mountain range or elevation around, and in fact it's the opposite.

1:55:41 Speaker 2: It looks like it's been checkered with with with impact comparison for that looks a lot.

1:55:53 Speaker 4: Now, it looks like it's eroded or damaged or something here.

1:55:59 Speaker 2: But right, this could be the worst one look wise, you know, sure this could be the one that took the most damage.

1:56:05 Speaker 3: We don't know, right, Uh.

1:56:09 Speaker 2: Interesting this, this, this makes me feel better about it right now?

1:56:13 Speaker 4: How do know why I'm gonna I'm gonna bring up we actually have a tool that lets us uh view this in three D tie which I have to show you because ummm, just bear with me one moment while I while I bring that up.

1:56:33 Speaker 2: That's fine, guys, what in the chat. What do you guys think? What are you guys thinking of these? Uh of these structures on Mars. I really want to know. You know, this is for me. Uh oh, wait one second, this is really for me and and me asking. But you know, we haven't even got He showed me this one picture of something in the the atmosphere of Mars, which I can't wait till we get to. But with these essentially, you know, one of the things I've had a tough time with over our ancient civilizations.

1:57:16 Speaker 2: What we were taught in school is that most of these cultures did not have any contact with each other because the distances were too great. Yet they all built the same exact structure. Now you could hypothetically say, you know, the hundredth monkey. Right Once that knowledge is there, it's there for everyone to grab. That's why when someone breaks a world record, someone breaks that record right after that, and then again after that, and then it might get held for some time. But it seems that and that's exactly why you know, a monkey halfway across the world who learns to smash a coconut with a rock.

1:58:08 Speaker 2: It happened simultaneously. Now, of course we're talking what we're most likely referring to here as some sort of quantum quantum field that we can't see. Whether you call it the ether, the source, the muse, I don't know what it really is. But it seems that once it's unlocked, even going back to the biological five pointed being right, once that works, once it works everywhere. Uh, And that's what it seems to be. So these pyramids that we see all over our our every continent, every single continent has these has these structures.

1:58:55 Speaker 2: Is this just the best way to build some tall, big bass coming to an apex potentially? Potentially? But tell me how they did it. They did not. They certainly didn't do it with wet sand and rollers placing a block every one minute for twenty years straight. Get the fuck out of here with that. Stop acting like I'm a child. I'm not dumb. That's not how those were made. But if I'm sorry, let me just finish this one point.

1:59:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, if.

1:59:31 Speaker 2: We start confirming that there are pyramids on other celestial objects in our solar system, the implications of that alone of what this could be. This could be some sort of global, not even global, I'm sorry, interplanetary system of

2:00:03 Speaker 2: free energy who knows but isn't doubt what life is chasing those fucking mysteries. Why are we letting science dictate what we look at and what's why do we let these fucking people tell us what's what's true or not?

2:00:25 Speaker 2: This is incredible. Let's go out and fucking stop pretending that we're not spinning on a fucking rock, hurtling through space and not taking this breath. The next one and the next one isn't a miracle in itself and it shouldn't happen. We just we stop pretending. Just because you fear the unknown doesn't make it less real. So sorry, that was my little tangent.

2:00:57 Speaker 4: Oh that's cool, Thank you for I had to find the link I was looking to give you. Yes, thank you, Okay, cal Tech actually has mapped all of this imagery onto a three dimensional model.

2:01:11 Speaker 3: You can go look at Mars and PD and manipulate it.

2:01:14 Speaker 4: So we have we're zooming up on the same thing here and I just want to show you what this looks like. And by the way, this was discovered. This was found by a gentleman in Colorado. His name is Gary Lagier. He does great work. I've highlighted him on my YouTube channel. He is a great YouTube channel too. So I want to give a shot up to the You know, I'm not the person who discovered these things, but there are independent researchers out there who do.

2:01:37 Speaker 3: I just want to mention that.

2:01:39 Speaker 4: So, but if we look at cal Tech's three dimensional rendering up this tie, look at what happens when we start to look at this thing from the side.

2:01:49 Speaker 3: There's nothing else like it in the area. Might be a little bit.

2:02:00 Speaker 4: Damaged on one side, but if you start to look at it in context, does Mother Nature do stuff like this?

2:02:10 Speaker 4: Put up something? Now, what they're basing this is they're they're using the shadows and the lights to try to render a three dimensional thing. I think you're on mute,

2:02:29 Speaker 4: so there.

2:02:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're essentially doing what a visual effects artists would do, and they're but they're they're pulling from real still images and they're using mathematical formulas to create the depth and what you know, so this is probably this is the most accurate representation I would say that weren't going to get.

2:02:51 Speaker 1: So.

2:02:51 Speaker 4: Look, you can see, based based on the craters, the wind is blowing in one direction here.

2:02:57 Speaker 3: Right wind.

2:02:59 Speaker 2: There's no am I mistaken in saying this? Is there no tectonic shifting.

2:03:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, Mars isn't tectonically active like Earth is.

2:03:10 Speaker 2: And so I mean it's not pushing mountains and ship up right.

2:03:14 Speaker 4: Well if it, even if it were tie we'd see entire mountain ranges.

2:03:18 Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm getting to. So but but there's none of that.

2:03:22 Speaker 4: I don't know what makes something like this in nature that is nothing, it's not connected to anything else that's in the middle of nowhere. How does it just spring up like that? And O by the way, again, we have another rare moment where NASA comments on this, not by any public acknowledgment like a press release, but by what they title it on their website.

2:03:48 Speaker 3: Can you see this?

2:03:57 Speaker 2: Wait? What is this?

2:03:58 Speaker 4: This is where you go and you unload this image from the University of Arizona had the high rise camera okay, is on the Mars reconnaissance orbiter, and the University of Arizona runs this okay, So for all intents and purposes, this is this is where you download The NASA imagery is from the University of Arizona's website for this particular mission. Okay, and this is what look NASA, JPL, Caltech, Universay, Arizona. This is what they call it. So you just mentioned the P word. You mentioned the P word a few minutes ago, the paradolia.

2:04:34 Speaker 4: Are we just seeing things? Well, clearly we're not seeing things. Even NASA says, hey, this looks like a pyramid. Right, there's no other way to describe it. That's their words, exactly. Their their words is pyramidal mound. Now they are kind of doing a conundrum there by saying pyramidal mound. I see what they're doing there, but it's almost like they're putting it in your face and then it almost like lets them sleep at night.

2:05:05 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, there is no such thing as a pyramidal mound.

2:05:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't. That doesn't work like that. I'm sorry. But so putting those things together, it's like it's like they're they're telling you, but they have to call it a mound because they can't have a pyramid.

2:05:21 Speaker 4: They have to try to contextualize it using geology to make everyone feel better.

2:05:25 Speaker 2: Right, because again going back to that fear of the unknown, because if we say these are pyramids, the immediate next question is from.

2:05:35 Speaker 4: Who from who built them exactly from who I got one more pyramid and then we can go to UFOs.

2:05:44 Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, man, by the way, might be the best. I don't want to guys stay for the UFO stuff. Might be one of the ass UFO shots I've ever seen because there's nothing that's supposed to be there.

2:06:09 Speaker 4: So all right, continue, Okay, I want to give a shout out again to Gary Lagier in Colorado. He's the one who found this next one.

2:06:20 Speaker 3: Here we go. This is just a quick comparison.

2:06:25 Speaker 4: China has a bunch of these pyramids with the large flat top.

2:06:30 Speaker 3: They're all over the place in.

2:06:31 Speaker 2: China, so it's like a regular pyramid. It's just that the point de part is kind of like chopped off.

2:06:40 Speaker 4: Right, and they've got dozens of these things just scattered all over the landscape.

2:06:45 Speaker 3: China doesn't really like to acknowledge this or talk.

2:06:47 Speaker 4: About it, but yeah, they won't admit it, right right, So, but they exist, and in our opinion, this find here matches closely this sort of thing here that we see in China. Again, we have opposing ninety degree angles. This is this is over two miles long. I don't know what in nature makes two miles long, opposing ninety ninety degree angles for equal flat triangular size leading up to an apex which is flat. I don't know how you look at this and say there's nothing to see here. Now what you notice here off in the corner is that there's an impact crater again.

2:07:29 Speaker 3: Okay, now, maybe this one came.

2:07:33 Speaker 4: Maybe this side is damaged a little bit or eroded. I don't It's hard to tell, but.

2:07:38 Speaker 2: I would say if we d because if we drew a line right from from the other side down that that would come pretty close to the lip of that. And that seems to be a theme or that these things are built near these these. Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting detail. I don't know what to make of it, but it's an interesting detail.

2:08:05 Speaker 4: But this, in my opinion, all these are much better conditioned than these.

2:08:10 Speaker 2: Which this is fucking crazy to me. This one on the top, by the way, the Hyaya Hawaiia Hawara pyramid, that one reminds me very I mean, is there any way we can compare the Hawara to the last pyramid you showed me on Mars, because I think those ones look the most similar.

2:08:37 Speaker 3: Sure, let me just get another.

2:08:40 Speaker 2: I don't want to make you do it off the cough. But I think Kawara and that last pyramid, those are like they almost look like carbon copies of each other.

2:08:53 Speaker 5: Not the.

2:08:55 Speaker 2: Not this one, the second last one, oh the one that's in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, we had the three D rendering of Look at that. Look at those two things. Even the divots look similar.

2:09:16 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, look at that.

2:09:18 Speaker 2: Look even the divots look close, very fucking close to each other. So that's why when I saw that last one, I kept I was like, oh God, those really looked close.

2:09:28 Speaker 4: That's a that's a good thing. I didn't notice that before. How about that?

2:09:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, those the way the lines form and the way that they divot down and stuff, it give me very similar vibes.

2:09:40 Speaker 4: So all I'm saying is that, look, if we're accepting that these Egyptian degraded pyramids are in fact pyramids.

2:09:47 Speaker 3: Why is it so hard to.

2:09:50 Speaker 4: It's because that it's it's on Mars, and that's scary. Why are there pyramids and where there shouldn't be pyramids on Mars? NASA told us it's just rocks and wind.

2:10:00 Speaker 2: It's not. I don't think it is. There's the I think I think there is if if if court, if if the courts are accepting of I hope you use that in your presentation going forward because those those two things, because you could show someone all right, he trick them, make them believe that that's the Hawara is the one.

2:10:22 Speaker 3: On Mars, right, Oh, that's that's good.

2:10:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then switch it and be like, no, no, it's actually this one in this one.

2:10:30 Speaker 3: T buy me some time I can just I gotta go to the bathroom real quick.

2:10:33 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I don't know if anyone could tell me that that is not exactly what we're seeing here. Look at that. Uh yeah, so this is okay, so this is a pyramid on Mars. This is a structure on Mars that is top down on uh uh pyramid on Egypt in Egypt, why you know, and that's obviously the Geeze a pyramid. But I pointed out that this is the that I was like, oh, these look very very similar, but don't pay attention to that. But these two that one's on Mars ones on Earth, and they look like so it's it's we accept that.

2:11:30 Speaker 2: We go, okay, we know that's a pyramid that was built as a pyramid, but they won't concede that this thing on Mars could potentially be a pyramid. I think I find that to be crazy. Right, we're actually live right now, so sorry I was explaining it, guys, This is I mean again, I I've always said this thing about the cosmos reflecting,

2:12:08 Speaker 2: just reflecting from a macro to a down to the micro. And I forget who showed me at this one time, but have you ever looked at the Giza pyramid top the whole complex, the great pyramid like complex, and when you look at it top down and then look at a circuit board or like a circuit, it looks very similar. And I've always kind of, you know, thought about that, and uh, you know, wondered, wondered deeply. But okay, Brian, you're back. Now, We're onto the good, the goods.

2:12:50 Speaker 4: Okay, at a glance, at a glance, you guys, you guys, everyone here knows the gimbal Ufo footage.

2:12:58 Speaker 3: This was leaked by Alexondo, right.

2:13:02 Speaker 2: Alexando, Chris Mellen and uh then to the New York Times it went, and yes, but the video have been online prior, but it was never It was in like obscure sits and no one could really ever find it, Like, no one ever knew if it was real or not.

2:13:20 Speaker 4: So we have what a disc shape with a bulblesmid section essentially rotates, which rotates right and at a glance, here's just a sampling of this of similar shapes found in the sky of Mars.

2:13:37 Speaker 2: Wait are you Are you saying that everything that's on the side frames is in the atmosphere has been caught in the atmosphere of Mars. Yes, you gotta be you're joking.

2:13:52 Speaker 6: So this is this is Are you sure it's not like Saturn? I can show you the photo, we can go through each one of these. It's just at a glance, this is this is what gets me so excited and what whoa why why Total Disclosure tie should include.

2:14:12 Speaker 3: Mars because we're seeing these same shapes.

2:14:16 Speaker 2: Listen, man, That's why I named the show Total Disclosure, because I'm not fighting for just one truth m but all truth. Right, So Mars Disclosure is my disclosure too. We're We're in this together, brother, That's why I talk to people. You know, even my producer gets upset with me when I do the nine to eleven shows. But dude, I'm because you know, he's a Patriot. I'm actually sitting on his side of the the studio tonight because I wanted to watch the Ghosts that way. Anyone who knows the show will get that reference.

2:14:59 Speaker 2: But uh yeah, huh. I told Brian that he had to pretend he didn't hear that joke because I said it before the show. He laughed on cue is pretty good. Good, good job man. But he gets mad at me for doing those shows. But I'm like, dude, I'm not I'm not fighting for just one thing, like I'm fighting for like what happened to JFK, what happened to MLK? What happened to what? What? What's going on with Mars? What's what? Like? Because if anything, what it is is it shows you the playing field and the the the vice, the grip that those in power have on the population that they're able to keep all this ship from us.

2:15:56 Speaker 2: Like the people in the UFO field keep thinking, oh, well, look at their their Look what they're hiding from us. It's like, dog, that's only one facet. Like all of our lives are essentially this fucking fake reality, this like pop up world for the Deep State to run cover. It's like it's sad but it's look at it. We go to work nine to five and we waste away at a job we typically hate. That's what ninety percent of us do. Luckily me and him know we found our calling. More people need to do that, but like, wake up, like seriously, wake the fuck up.

2:16:41 Speaker 2: Sorry, continue.

2:16:43 Speaker 4: I want to give a shout out to Jean Ward in South Africa and another gentleman by the name of Joe White who found all of these that we're looking at today. And I don't know if Carrie is still watching Kry and Norway, but since I published my YouTube video on this, she's found a half dozen more just like this, so she's doing a great job of finding even more. But it's this disc shape with a bulbles mid section that that catches our eye. And if we were to go through and look at these all in context, Kai Ti, then we could We could view them in context and explain why, explain away the conventional explanations as to.

2:17:23 Speaker 3: What people might skeptics might claim that they are.

2:17:26 Speaker 2: Well because ninety percent of that would be things that can't exist there.

2:17:32 Speaker 4: So here here's typical rovert photograph. But if you have a keen eye.

2:17:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can already see something that see very clearly between me the cat well us the camera. Yeah, and that elevated range. There's something hanging below the horizon, above the surface, right.

2:18:01 Speaker 3: So if we zoom in here.

2:18:05 Speaker 2: Dude, you gotta be fucking kidding like, you gotta be kidding me.

2:18:09 Speaker 3: Man, this is an unadulterated raw image.

2:18:13 Speaker 2: You got to be kidding me.

2:18:16 Speaker 4: But what do we see? We see a disc shape with a bulbous mid section. Okay, now I want to be clear here. We have the great fortune of having raw images in and just by themselves are able to demonstrate the anomalous aspect of the photo, which is what draws our eye to begin with. Okay, some of these people working with these images just so happen to be imaging experts and can help improve the quality of the image by using a process known as deconvolution.

2:18:49 Speaker 3: Are you familiar with deconvolution?

2:18:52 Speaker 2: I don't think so. Can you enlighten me.

2:18:55 Speaker 4: Deconvolution is a process where they'll take an image that looks slightly blurry or out of focus and make it in focus.

2:19:05 Speaker 3: Okay, NASA has used this, so.

2:19:08 Speaker 2: It's is there any But what are we doing to to achieve.

2:19:14 Speaker 3: That, so it it.

2:19:17 Speaker 4: Okay, there is modern day software right now called gigapixel, which is made by a company known as Topaz Labs. All Right, I know, Okay, NASA uses this software to deconvolute imagery that they take of, you know, from from their telescopes and such.

2:19:39 Speaker 2: So I would assume what they're doing is they are

2:19:45 Speaker 2: collecting on a base level the pixels right, looking at the pixelation, and then kind of smoothing smooth, smoothing that part out here.

2:19:57 Speaker 3: Can you see this? Oops? Can you see this crater?

2:20:03 Speaker 2: Ah?

2:20:05 Speaker 4: Okay, this is this was taken long before any AI tools existed, all right. They trained the computer software to help resolve the image quality a little bit better. So this this is from Look, this is a Wikipedia article on deconvolution. This stuff was invented in the seventies. Okay, they started doing this fifty years ago, and this is an old photograph. So NASA uses this on their own images because they understand that it can resolve these images, essentially enhancing the quality. But it's not mischaracterizing what it is that we're seeing.

2:20:49 Speaker 4: Does that make sense very much?

2:20:51 Speaker 2: So, like it's not taking too much, it's it's it's taking far met less liberty than I anticipated, even with I mean, I'm not gonna lie, Like in the bottom corners, it seems to accentuate some of the bulges a bit like in the like the not not not in the main image, like not in the main center of the image. But the further you go out towards the edge, unless the the unless the crop ratio i'm seeing is different, like the the little circle towards the bottom right, it seems far bigger than what it looks like in the original.

2:21:35 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's just my eyes getting messed with, but is this the same exact ratio?

2:21:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure what you're seeing. I just see the side by side here.

2:21:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but it's I guess it's too hard to point out.

2:21:55 Speaker 3: You see a crater here?

2:21:56 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, that the the one to one on that is is I think, Okay, it doesn't take liberty. It doesn't. It doesn't. It's not adding things that it shouldn't, right, right, it's a very very very very very good enhancement.

2:22:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

2:22:13 Speaker 4: So the point I'm trying to make here is that this is something that NASA themselves use. They see this as a legitimate form of enhancing the quality of the images that they take with their own instruments. All right, Now, what I'm telling you is that these independent Mars researchers use the same exact tool that NASA does to enhance the quality of the images. Because, believe it or not, the rover photographs are not high resolution, They're quite low. So what we are presented with there's a lot of this grain and pixelation that happens when you zoom weigh up on these things.

2:22:52 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm telling you this now because what I'm going to show you are deconvoluted images when we zoom into the uh, I'm gonna I'll zoom into it. I'll show you the before, but then i'm gonna show you the after once we've deconvoluted.

2:23:06 Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

2:23:07 Speaker 2: That makes total sense? All right for anyone. I just want to take this time. I should have said this at the top of the show. I can't believe I'm saying it two and a half hours in. For anyone listening to this, you should come to YouTube and this is a highly Actually you know what, I don't even know if I'm gonna put this on the but no, I will I'll put it on the audio platforms, but this is a very visual episode and just yeah, head over to YouTube link in the description. Uh you gotta see this stuff, man, I know, right, you gotta because if you had told me that this is Arizona, right, this picture that we're looking at right now, I would say that that might be a balloon, a bird.

2:23:57 Speaker 2: I might say a balloon, a bird, a plane, right, all those things they're on Mars. Impossible, right, So I what the what is that?

2:24:13 Speaker 3: I know?

2:24:14 Speaker 4: All I'm saying is that it looks awfully similar to the Gimbal UFO.

2:24:18 Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.

2:24:19 Speaker 4: So if we're having congressional hearings over the gimble uf FO footage and saying that's a UFO flying saucers type deal, so I think we need to be taking a serious look at Mars.

2:24:29 Speaker 3: So so again this is where it starts.

2:24:32 Speaker 4: We got some good show and tell here, Okay, but if we zoom in and deconvolute the image, we can kind of get a better quality of it.

2:24:40 Speaker 3: Okay, you know what I mean.

2:24:42 Speaker 2: But did it also not put grass?

2:24:47 Speaker 3: Yeah?

2:24:47 Speaker 4: I mean it's not going to be perfect here, you know. So there's it has to resolve it somehow.

2:24:57 Speaker 2: But do you see that's what I meant, That's what I meant. The yeah that that that takes.

2:25:04 Speaker 3: But does it change the overall shape of this dramatically? What?

2:25:07 Speaker 2: What does not? I agree it does not.

2:25:11 Speaker 4: Even the raw image we can we can make out disc bulbous center, right, so coming in through here, that's.

2:25:19 Speaker 3: What we're looking at it.

2:25:20 Speaker 4: It doesn't really take too much livery like you're saying, all right, so that's that's that one.

2:25:26 Speaker 3: Next one, whoa, whoa?

2:25:33 Speaker 2: That is way too close to that hill. What the fuck?

2:25:45 Speaker 2: That looks like a amona? You ever heard of the ancient description of a of a of a? I can't even speak of a mana. This looks either this is like a triangular craft that we are seeing from like, you know, back end, maybe a little tilted upward because we're at where we're lower in elevation, so we're kind of seeing underneath it, but we're also seeing the backside of it. Unless that's what we're seeing. I mean, this looks like an upside down pyramid, yeah kind of right, or or a gimbal craft like you said, but yeah, right that.

2:26:33 Speaker 4: Wow, But clearly it's an anomaly, and you know, we can address the what people might call the conventional explanations as to why I don't think any of them apply here.

2:26:48 Speaker 2: No, what could that possibly be in the Mars?

2:26:52 Speaker 4: You know this, it's just a clear image here. Well, people want to go to it's dust on the lens. Oh okay, which, if you know anything about photography, that doesn't hold any water because dust on the lens does not present as these precise shapes. At best, it might blur the image a little bit, but the camera is focused so far out that anything directly on the lens you really don't even see.

2:27:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, the depth perception, it wouldn't show. It would not show the depth that when you zoom in the pixelation of the actual that's how you can tell that that is something that's actually in camera, Because the closer that you zoom in, the more pixelated it also gets. So a piece of dust that was closer would start to look like a like a circle, like it would start to look like a blur. Right, Yeah, that is not happening here.

2:28:04 Speaker 4: And for those I have it in that my video that I did on this, I demonstrate this by recording the whole video with a lot of dust on my camera lens, so and you can't see it at all. Okay, I've got two hundred specks of dust over the whole lens. I didn't bother to clean it off, and I took a photo of it so you can see it in the video to see what I recorded with you don't see, you're not aware of it.

2:28:29 Speaker 3: So dustin lens doesn't hold water.

2:28:31 Speaker 4: Dead pixels also doesn't hold water, because if it's a dead pixel, it's one pixel and it's there forever in every single photograph. And the thing about these things are they'll take a series of images. It's let's just say, they'll take twelve images in a row, and it only appears in let's just say one of them, okay, and these images are all twelve seconds apart.

2:28:51 Speaker 3: That's how the NASA rovers do it.

2:28:54 Speaker 4: So it's not a dead pixel, otherwise it would be there forever on every single image.

2:28:59 Speaker 3: Is it a it's known as a camera artifact.

2:29:02 Speaker 2: No.

2:29:03 Speaker 4: I can show you what a camera artifact looks like. That's later in this presentation. But we know it's not that either. There's a distinct difference between these things here and what a camera artifact renders has. And the only other explanation that people want to try to throw out is that it's something called a cosmic ray burst. And I know it's not that either, because I could show you what that looks like and you can see that it doesn't look like this either. So let me cycle through some more of these tie then I'll get to those last two in just a second.

2:29:31 Speaker 3: That's deconvoluted.

2:29:32 Speaker 4: Okay, wow, right, Wow, this one's funky.

2:29:41 Speaker 3: It's got a little tail, wow in the sky.

2:29:49 Speaker 2: Wow.

2:29:49 Speaker 4: Oh, here's what I'm talking about. Here's a series that that was the deconvoluted. But here's the raw image. Okay, and it's not there right, next one, not there, next one, Now it's there.

2:30:00 Speaker 3: A series, a series of three images. Okay.

2:30:03 Speaker 4: It's not a dead pixel, otherwise all of them would have that same thing there.

2:30:07 Speaker 2: And it's also not a piece of dust, because again we'd be looking very similar.

2:30:12 Speaker 4: Right, not dust, not a dead pixel. It's not a camera artifact, and it's not a cosmic ray burst.

2:30:19 Speaker 3: Okay.

2:30:20 Speaker 4: This is an object in the sky. And that's the thing. That's the other thing I wanted to mention too. All these things. You don't see this little shape render anywhere that's on the ground, and all these things I will show you. It's they're all in the sky. Okay, Why if this is.

2:30:41 Speaker 2: What it is, and I have a hard time figuring out what it could be, why is NASA releasing this?

2:30:53 Speaker 3: NASA? Really, you know?

2:30:55 Speaker 2: This is it? Right?

2:30:58 Speaker 3: Like? This is this is the thing.

2:31:00 Speaker 4: While there's so much there's so much pressure from the public pressuring the administration, NASA, Congress to release more and more UFO data. Right, we've been getting some of that. Meanwhile, very few people are paying attention to what NASA is actually doing with Mars. They're just releasing this stuff. It's not classified. They're just releasing on their website and saying nothing about it and hoping no one will notice. Right, there are people noticing it, which we but they don't even care.

2:31:33 Speaker 2: Because when you start saying, are going to five phone a UFO on Mars, right, check out and glaze their eyes over.

2:31:40 Speaker 4: Right, they're not gonna take you serious. They're gonna think you're a looney bin.

2:31:43 Speaker 3: Right.

2:31:43 Speaker 4: So this is this is why I'm trying my best to rewrite this narrative that there's nothing interesting on Mars. There's a whole lot of interesting things on Mars. No one's paying very few people are paying attention. So we've got the great Mars Disclosure has receipts, and we're going we're looking at a lot of them today, all right, so let's keep going. All right, So again, just a typical river photograph, and you might think, oh, that's just debris, blah blah blah blah blah.

2:32:15 Speaker 3: But here's the thing about this image. This shows us.

2:32:18 Speaker 4: Okay, we have it's not the best example, but right disc shape with the bulbous midsection. And I don't know what you want to make of these other two things. Maybe those are just weird little artifacts. I don't really know. But what I want to draw you attention to is this shape right here. See this here, this precise shape appears in multiple photographs on different days, and it appears in the same location and its exact same shape. This is a camera artifact. Okay, we've nicknamed this the booger, all right.

2:32:51 Speaker 4: This will appear in multiple photographs across different days.

2:32:57 Speaker 3: All right.

2:32:57 Speaker 4: This is a camera artifact that is not something that imaged in the sky. All this other stuff, different story.

2:33:03 Speaker 2: So that's see what the difference looks like.

2:33:06 Speaker 4: So we're ruling out camerat effects. We know what camera artiffects look like. That's a camera art effect.

2:33:12 Speaker 3: All right, this is.

2:33:16 Speaker 2: Kind of mind blowing. That looks like that. That is the closest thing I've seen to I mean, what the fuck is that?

2:33:28 Speaker 3: Dude. Here's the next one. This is odd because it's in a different orientation.

2:33:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, but again remember remember the footage.

2:33:41 Speaker 3: It was moving.

2:33:42 Speaker 2: Holy, it was rotating, rotating right right. So, and Bob Bazaar famously said that these things had to fly belly first, they would point towards their destination and rotate and then and multiple other people have seen these things take off and rotate and then move, you know, pretty silently, but very very fast, instantaneous acceleration, right, And that could explain why they're there in one picture, gone in the next, right exactly, because even the frame rate can't capture it.

2:34:16 Speaker 4: No, these photos are generally taking twelve seconds apart.

2:34:20 Speaker 2: That's so much time, guys, guys, let's all right, ready start that's what twelve seconds sounds feels like. That's a UFO blink gone exactly forty five times over.

2:34:48 Speaker 4: So this one, again, it's a disc shape with a bulbous mid section. I don't know about you, Tie, but I've seen enough photos in my life to know that cameras just don't produce that kind of weird glitch in a photo. Like have you ever looked at a photo and said, hey, look, there looks like a disc with the bubbles midsection? And any photos that you take with any camera ever, why is it just with NASA rover photographs that we're seeing this funky thing and in the military.

2:35:16 Speaker 2: Photog why is it always in the sky.

2:35:18 Speaker 3: It's in the sky, it's not down here.

2:35:20 Speaker 2: Exactly, never located like if it is an artifact, why is it consistently above the horizon, just in the air, over the surface, like unmistakably over.

2:35:34 Speaker 3: The every single one of these two.

2:35:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, why isn't it at the bottom left corner, Like.

2:35:40 Speaker 4: Here's the raw image of that one. This is the raw one on that one. Okay, So just all.

2:35:45 Speaker 2: Transparency, Like, why isn't that Why isn't that camera right exactly? Why is it where that purple thing is? What?

2:35:53 Speaker 4: What?

2:35:54 Speaker 2: Why is it only happening in places that you know it seemingly is in the it's in the I say air, but you.

2:36:03 Speaker 3: Know, yeah, right, it is.

2:36:05 Speaker 2: It's it's the sky in the sky of Mars.

2:36:10 Speaker 4: Okay, here's another one clearly rover here just just you know, disc shape, bulbous mid section.

2:36:19 Speaker 2: And there's no way that that's like a planet, right, No, that's not Saturn with a ring.

2:36:28 Speaker 3: No that we the rover navigation camera. All this is.

2:36:35 Speaker 4: Now you cannot resolve something like like that just from one of the You need a telescope, uh for for Saturn or even Mars's moon to show up and something like that. Okay, okay, uh it's clear image. Okay, So this one's funky because it's in white, right you know what,

2:37:03 Speaker 4: disc with bulbous with the tail going upwards just just kind of funky. And here we have the same kind of thing, but in white. These are all this is a raw image right here. You could download this from NASA's website today. We provide all the source rls. You zoom up on it. What do we see? Disc shape with a bulbous midsection. I don't know why it's white and not black like the other ones. I don't know. But see what NASA calls this. They'll say that NASA will say this is a cosmic ray burst. Have you heard that before.

2:37:40 Speaker 2: H yeah, but only only in the context of like like from the like in the sun in the I've never heard it used outside of that, like I didn't know was something that happened in our atmosphere.

2:37:57 Speaker 4: Well, okay, what a cosmic ray burst? This is a cosmic ray burst. Can you see it?

2:38:03 Speaker 2: Oh? Oh, okay, So it streaks like in the sky.

2:38:07 Speaker 4: It is a photon of light that was captured from the sun in the camera here, and how it renders in the CCD as as it's captured by the camera, it just renders as this basically one pixel wide streak of light.

2:38:22 Speaker 3: Okay, and NASAs.

2:38:28 Speaker 4: There's an astronaut, Donald Pettitt, who just so happens to be a photographer. He photographs these things in outer space all the time and he documents them, and they just are thin streaks of light, and that's it. A thin streak of light is not any of this stuff. These are not thin streaks of light. So to say it's a cosmic ray burst is nonsense.

2:38:51 Speaker 2: Even if it's long exposure, it would be in just a longer line. It wouldn't have any bulbous right, it would just be a longer streight line because it's again long explode long exposure. You know, it's just going to extend that that photon beam into a longer beam. This has definition, this has shape to a degree that I just I don't buy. I don't buy that answer.

2:39:25 Speaker 4: So here's Donald Pettitt. He's an astronaut and he tweets the stuff from time to time. He's real specific about what cameras he's using. Look, this is a cosmic what he is saying. It's hard to see here. This is a meteor streak and this thing. Can you see this really thin streak here? Yeah, that's a cosmic ray. He photographs these things. Here, here's a better image of it. Okay, you can see it's going through the red, green, and blue CCDs of the camera. Okay, that is what a cosmic ray is. That doesn't look like anything that I just showed you.

2:40:03 Speaker 4: No, not even when they say it's cosmic ray.

2:40:05 Speaker 3: That's nonsense.

2:40:06 Speaker 4: But people don't know because they don't know what a cosmic race was to look like. So they just accept NASA's explanation.

2:40:11 Speaker 2: And again, you guys, see this long exposure, the lines that it creates on everything else that you we would see that in the photos of Mars as well, if if if, if it was again, and I'm just kind of this is like technical stuff, but like I'm sorry, that doesn't that that that doesn't hold water, that doesn't hold weight, that these are cosmic rays. Yeah, I think, wow, wow.

2:40:46 Speaker 3: I do have one more for you.

2:40:48 Speaker 2: I mean, and just while you skip to that next one, like you know, uh, you know these remote viewers they're talking about that there are these beings that that are still there on Mars and or were there on Mars. And you know, if UFOs and if we are to believe that they're coming to Earth, I would have to assume that they're gonna have wave stations to whatever degree that that would mean for an alien civilization or interdimensional civilization. But we see the same architecture, the same structures in the in the moon, in Mars and on Earth.

2:41:34 Speaker 2: Is it a coincidence?

2:41:35 Speaker 1: No?

2:41:41 Speaker 3: Okay? Ty? Can you see this here? All right? It says dead pixels don't move? Do you see that?

2:41:48 Speaker 2: Ye?

2:41:48 Speaker 3: Let's do viewing slide show presenter. Okay, can I make maximize this all right? Can you see that maximize screen? Now here we go?

2:42:00 Speaker 4: Yep, all right, So here the source you rls for the series of images. What we have here, ty is uh, we have motion in this series of images. Now it's hard to see. You see this little dot right there? Can you see that dot? I Okay, it's not much.

2:42:23 Speaker 3: But that's what a dead pixel would look like.

2:42:29 Speaker 4: Okay, it's just a pixel, right, But twelve seconds later after this shot was taken, that pixel is no longer there because it's over here.

2:42:41 Speaker 3: Huh.

2:42:42 Speaker 4: Okay, not so much of a big deal. It's just a little tiny pixel, big deal. But then twelve seconds that twelve seconds after this shot was taken, that shot was taken.

2:43:01 Speaker 3: Dead pixels don't move. Oh my god, it's hard.

2:43:12 Speaker 2: It's like laugh about this point, right, Really, I don't I don't know what to make of that, dude. I mean, you've you've convinced me.

2:43:27 Speaker 4: That Mars has some strange stuff going on there, and like, look, we don't have time to get into the rest of it.

2:43:33 Speaker 3: But I've got a whole too.

2:43:39 Speaker 4: We've we've got fossils, and we've got artifacts, and we've got ruins.

2:43:44 Speaker 2: Which I I want to ask you one thing. Every major you know, ancient culture, from the Egyptians to the Maya, you know, they were completely kind of like, yeah, I guess we can use the word obsessed with Mars. They often associate it with you know, warfare or destruction, even creation. I think at some points, what do you think of our anset? Like did our ancestors simply look at that red dot in the sky and make something up? Or do you think that they were inheriting firsthand knowledge of

2:44:33 Speaker 2: something else.

2:44:37 Speaker 3: I think it's a combination of two things.

2:44:39 Speaker 4: And I'll admit that I am not deeply knowledgeable about either one of these, but I know enough just to give the one on one version.

2:44:49 Speaker 3: Yes, we have this deep history, these stories that have been passed down.

2:44:55 Speaker 4: From ancient times, some would say mythological stories and such that do talk about humanity starting on Mars and coming to Earth. So there's that aspect of it, which you know, requires a different field of study to really interpret correctly.

2:45:17 Speaker 3: But I want.

2:45:18 Speaker 4: To call attention to something else, more nuts and bolts. There is sufficient evidence to suggest that our solar system in the ancient past was not always in the stable.

2:45:42 Speaker 3: Positioning that it is right now.

2:45:44 Speaker 4: In other words, the planets and their orbits right now were not always where they were, and there that scar on Mars that you were talking about.

2:45:56 Speaker 3: Okay, that is.

2:46:00 Speaker 4: We'll have to get into this later, but that is an electrical discharge scar and it either happened by the Sun having a bad day and taking it out on Mars like a roar borealis on steroids sort of thing, or two planets came in close enough proximity to one another that had opposing charge magnetic charges electrical charge, and if they get too close together, they would discharge between the two. Sort of like your high school science teacher showing you what electrical discharge looks like with a Vandergraft generator, those two big electrical balls with a little tiny spark going between the two of them.

2:46:49 Speaker 4: Okay, it's it's the difference, you know, the electrical difference between your hand and the doorknob and the winter time when you get a shock on the door handle when you're when you open up the door, with the difference in the sky and the ground, which is why we have lightning discharge. We'll imagine if two opposing planetary bodies of different charges came close enough in contact with a discharge between the two and the thunderbolts. Channel does a lot of work on talking about the ancient history of our Solar System and how what they saw in the sky was the planets physically being closer to Earth, not really requiring you to have a telescope to see them.

2:47:30 Speaker 4: They were more visible, like our moon was visible, and our moon is visible to us right now. The early Solar system was a lot more unstable and chaotic, and planets were moving. So I don't have a whole lot more information, but there is sufficient evidence to suggest that that was the case, and that what they saw as Mars attacking somebody was a discharge between Mars and another planetary body that was happening to go by.

2:48:00 Speaker 2: And and one of those planets could have been the one that it ends up coming in contact with, like fully cut hitting it, and that, you know, that is what creates the asteroid belt, and that that that impact also throws the planet, the every you know, all the planets into a new, maybe more stable orbit, and that's where we find ourselves today. That impact pushed us all a little further out just enough where now you know, I'm just you know, thinking out loud here, But you know, is that crazy to think about?

2:48:46 Speaker 2: Am I crazy? I don't know?

2:48:48 Speaker 4: Here, Look just here's an image just for those it's just easier to look at this.

2:48:53 Speaker 3: Okay, this is what we're talking about.

2:48:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be like the ship that they would say.

2:48:59 Speaker 3: Zoo did the Yes.

2:49:03 Speaker 4: Now, there is actual evidence here tie, which we'll have to say for another time that reproduces that same scar that you see on Mars. They've reproduced that same exact morphology in the laboratory using plasma discharge. Yeah, believe it or not, that same scar we Earth has one.

2:49:25 Speaker 2: Oh oh wow.

2:49:28 Speaker 4: The exact same morphology. I'll have to we'll have to save that for part two.

2:49:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, part two in person, Jesus Christ, that would be a scary fucking sight though.

2:49:39 Speaker 3: I know.

2:49:40 Speaker 4: And there's so either Mars discharged with Earth or discharged with Venus. There's lots of evidence suggests Venus wasn't exactly where it was, so anyway.

2:49:52 Speaker 2: Is haunting haunting? Haunting thought? Yeah, oh gosh.

2:50:00 Speaker 3: Imagine being on the planet when that happened.

2:50:04 Speaker 2: Right, No, just kill me.

2:50:07 Speaker 4: And remember what does every single Mars rover photograph have in common?

2:50:12 Speaker 3: What does it show you? What do you what do you see in Mars river photographs.

2:50:17 Speaker 4: All over the place, just shards of rock, rocks just freaking everywhere. Okay, that scar on Mars is a giant canyon the size of the United States. What we're talking about, tie is instantaneous excavation of crustal material three thousand miles long.

2:50:38 Speaker 3: Where did it go? Everywhere else on the planet? Is what is Mars? Covered with craters everywhere?

2:50:45 Speaker 2: Right?

2:50:46 Speaker 3: That was a bad day on Mars.

2:50:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it could have kicked up a lot of the rusty dust that well. No, I guess it depends when it happens. But I was gonna say, never mind, I've never mind. But yeah, that that tracks, man, that's that's Oh god, that would have been a terrible day. That would have been a terrible day. I know.

2:51:12 Speaker 3: Man, Mars has me hooked. Dude. There's just so much cool stuff about it. You think that's it?

2:51:23 Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I'd I'd have to get I don't know that.

2:51:29 Speaker 2: That might be paradolia. I could see that being paradolia.

2:51:33 Speaker 4: I try to stay away from the rocks that look like faces, because we already have enough problems with the paradolia.

2:51:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, too too much, too much leeway there.

2:51:44 Speaker 4: I suppose if I knew the source, I could get Jeanne to upscale that and see what it looked like. But you know, I don't. I don't really try to like entertain those sorts of things.

2:51:53 Speaker 2: Love it. Thank you, dude, Thank you so much for doing this again. I'd love to do art to maybe bring you up to Boston or down to Boston and you know, be able to do it in studio. Where can people find you and where can people keep up to work with your date? Where can they watch the documentary Blue Planet Red? You know hit me with it?

2:52:19 Speaker 3: Yeah? Well sure, oh let me let me. Can I show the movie poster?

2:52:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me show the movie post and I'll talk about it here. I really am happy with this, the way this came out, the artist who did it for me. Here's the movie poster. You can find all of my work on the website blue Planet Red dot net. I'm on YouTube at Brian Coreydobbs on Twitter at Brian Corey Dobbs. The documentary Proper, It's a two hour documentary talks about all of this stuff. I interview two dozen people from academia to aerospace industry to NASA. I got a retired NASA astrobiologist who talks a lot about pennspermia and microfossils.

2:53:02 Speaker 4: We've got micro fossils photographed in the documentary. Independent researchers Abby Low, Robert Shock, John Brandenberg, Mark Carlotto and a bunch of other cool guys in the documentary. You can find it on Amazon Prime. There are also other streaming networks. You can get it on your cable box.

2:53:23 Speaker 4: Verizon Exfinity Spectrum. You can pull it up on video on demand there, as well as Documentary Plus and a few other international streaming networks. You can go and watch it there, but I usually just say it's on Amazon. It's on Amazon UK as well, but not all territories. So anyway, So but watch the documentary first, because then the YouTube is really the continuing series of the documentary. The documentary was what started it all off, and then the YouTube I go into more detail and you know, new discoveries, things I've learned since making the documentary.

2:54:06 Speaker 2: That is awesome, man, And I really love that. You do great work and I can't wait to, you know, have you back on and and dive even further into mars. I mean, we just did three hours and uh we That's what I love because I can I like to jump down and uh, I always leave room for more. Uh. So, yeah, I can't wait to have you back. Brother. Uh I was. I will admit I was a little bit more high energy than I thought I was gonna be, because yeah, I got really into this. Actually, and again I'm not feeling well.

2:54:46 Speaker 2: It took some take will so sorry if I annoyed anybody, But uh, this that ship blew my mind. Man, that shit this has been I'm surprised that this isn't being talked about more. And it's a shame that it isn't. It kind of show that the public awareness, the lack of public awareness is a huge problem. There's so many distractions in the world. There's so many you know, materialistic behaviors that have been created through you know, the the this this reality that we've we've we've created. Uh And you know, I feel like there's what our ancestors, at least at least had over us, was their connection with the celestial surroundings, with the earth itself.

2:55:39 Speaker 2: So you know, we'd love to have more conversation with your brother. Keep keep up the great work to everyone listening to everyone watching, Uh, thank you so much. You guys are the reasons we can keep this show on the road. We do. We're trying to do a lot more in studio episodes. Uh. This one, obviously, uh is remote. We're doing this hybrid for the time being, but representative from the UAP Task Force. He took direction from Jay Stratton. Lenvol Logan will be in studio uh this week coming up. So that's gonna be a really great episode.

2:56:20 Speaker 2: We're gonna be diving deep into so you know, just just so much stuff with what he's been working on and you know, whistleblower protections and get this really like you know, you know, analytical side of things and and what the UAP Task Force does, what a government organization uh looks like when they are investigating the phenomena, what is the logistics? All of that will be diving deep into super fun uh. And then we have a bunch of episodes coming up, actually one with a remote viewer, Angela Uh Angela Ford, you probably know her.

2:57:00 Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, anyway, Uh, stay humble, stay kind, stay vigilant. We'll see you on the uh the other side. As they say, you know, what's weird the the screen right right as I was, because when you hit end stream, it plays the music when I clicked it the whole screen. Uh oh, it's just a glitch show. But anyway, yeah uh again, Something's like I feel like something's messing with me lately, just like technically, yeah, something's just messing with my Like it's like I'm gonna mess this up for you hah.

2:57:46 Speaker 2: But either that or I'm just finding a way to make an excuse to prolong it. All right now, we'll see you guys next time, and

2:58:00 Speaker 4: Everything everybody underta