The Montauk Project: Time Travel, Mind Control, and Alien Encounters Ft. Michael Roser

0:38 Speaker 1: Icly.

1:01 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name's Ty and I'm the host of the show. I just want to say that this episode that you're about to get into is wild. I am still reeling and trying to wrap my head around what actually took place, especially towards the end of today's episode. It was wild and we may have even caught a miracle on camera. It's truly breathtaking. Our guest today is Michael Roser. He is an author, a filmmaker. He's a researcher an investigator of the paranormal and he works with energy healing and is big into that side of the phenomenon.

1:50 Speaker 2: And I can't disagree because once he arrived at the studio, there was just an aura that overtook the whole team. People were forgetting to do their jobs because they were so enthralled with what was actually being said. It was just it was something I've never experienced before. And then not to mention what happens at the end of the episode, and you'll have to watch to find out. But again, I think we may have caught something miraculous on camera. We're still talking about it right now. It's just something I can't explain, and most people will know me as the person who's very, very skeptical when it comes to the paranormal and you know, some of these other things that are just more beyond the veil.

2:37 Speaker 2: So it's with an honor that I get to say that I still can't logically or rationally explain what happened during this episode. I hope you enjoy it. Let's get into it. Step everybody, Welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name's Ty. We're super excited to be here. As I said in the intro, we're welcoming today. Michael, Michael, how are you. It's been We actually met, and I think this is awesome. We met when you know, I was a little bit more naive in my youth, or you know, I was a little headstrong, and I tried to make a documentary and didn't really think it out, and you came down to Bridgewater and that's where we met on that and you know, I've been talking about that night a lot lately, especially because last episode was Peter Muse and he runs the New England Folklore blog, and you know, I got to kind of tell the whole story.

5:12 Speaker 2: It was amazing, Like it was cool to just kind of get it all out, because that first night at the Random Dog Track after you left, that was probably the closest brush with the paranormal aside from maybe last night. But it's good to have you here. Can you tell our audience a little bit about who you are, how you got into the topic of, you know, the phenomena in general, and what is your expertise. I know, you know, you have a long list of credits. You're an author or upcoming author, You're a filmmaker.

5:44 Speaker 2: You know, you're a researcher, an investigator. You've done boots on the ground, You've done almost everything. So you know, super happy to have you.

5:54 Speaker 3: Thank you, well, thank you. I appreciate your kind words.

5:58 Speaker 4: No, myself, I've I've gotten into this field of esoterics very early in my life. Ninety six is where i'd kind of peg my serious take on the subject. And you know, it started with Carl Sagan, it started with you know, Robert Stafform and solved mysteries. And of course in those days, there weren't many places that you could go for certain valuable information dealing with the paranormal, eupology or any of this stuff. Really you were lucky if you found something in the library on the Lochness Monster, and of course you know all of these entities, if you will, is where I began, even at that age, you know, I'm looking at like fourteen fifteen at most, I was already working with energy what we now know today in the modality of reiki.

6:41 Speaker 4: At that time we just called it free energy or healing energy. And you know, I was very much in tune.

6:47 Speaker 3: With all of that.

6:48 Speaker 4: I would say my real awakening to spirituality and the likes came from a book by Betty j Edy, and this was called Embraced by the Light, and even to this day is the most heavily documented near death experience that's on paper.

7:04 Speaker 2: Can you yeah, do you mind telling me about it?

7:06 Speaker 3: Really?

7:07 Speaker 2: Yeah?

7:07 Speaker 3: Sure?

7:07 Speaker 4: I mean, essentially, this woman, I don't remember what exactly happened to her in terms of the trauma, but she died clinically and had her own experience going into the afterlife, wherein she went on what one could consider many adventures. Time does not exist the way that it exists here for us in terms of perception. Obviously it's not linear, we know that, but no more is it apparent than in the afterlife or in those higher vibrations, if you will. So she had an entire story and then eventually was told that she had to come back, but she wasn't finished.

7:42 Speaker 3: As most people do. They kicked and fought, you know, as much as she could, and they said, nope, that's it. You still have to go back. You have things you're doing.

7:49 Speaker 4: So she came back, and since that time she has traveled around the world, going on all the major circuits of syndicated television and authorship and so forth, sharing story which has never changed in detail since she first started speaking about it. So again, for me, that was sort of the open eye that I needed to kind of guide myself into, you know, getting into astra projection after the fact, going into you know, using stones and semi precious rocks for healing modalities.

8:20 Speaker 3: So I was, let's see, God.

8:23 Speaker 4: It was maybe twenty years I waited to actually sit down and talk with her in person, which I did have that opportunity on my show Dark Hour Paranormal and it was a fantastic interview. And at the end, you know, she was asking me some personal questions about my life and what I was working with and so forth, and you know, I would discuss this with her. She was nice enough to send me pages upon pages of information of things that I could implement in a practical sense to you know, aid my spirituality and path if you will.

8:51 Speaker 4: So very wonderful woman, But that's where I got started.

8:54 Speaker 2: Wow. And you know, one of the things about the near death experience that I find very intriguing is the fact that they often don't want to come back.

9:06 Speaker 3: Most almost in every case, they don't want.

9:08 Speaker 2: To come back right there. It's almost like they feel the oneness or you know, like the attachment to the source, right, call it the muse, call it whatever you want. It's like, but they feel that love and like that freedom, right, freedom from the biological restrictions that you know, we have. And it is really it's a detail that you see almost every time, is that they're like, I don't want to go back, but it's like and someone saying you have work to do, Like you still have things to do. So that's like, I find that to be very interesting because it's something we hear all the time.

9:48 Speaker 4: Well, you have to keep in mind too that you know, allegedly when we leave this meat suit, if.

9:53 Speaker 3: You will, you know you're going through different vibrations.

9:57 Speaker 4: So when you release the the body, it's more of a tactile thing than you would imagine. So once you go into those higher vibrations, you already supersede duality to a large extent. Now, duality still goes within, you know, the third dimension, the way that we understand and are familiar with it. But as you go up in the vibrations, that apparent nature is lessened. So at some point you just lose the duality altogether. And that's when you get that connection to the source, which you're then very familiar with and don't want to leave.

10:27 Speaker 3: But coming back, it's a.

10:29 Speaker 4: Lot of work for that soul to incarnate in this vibration. It's very heavy down here, and the soul knows that it feels it immediately, and even when you know somebody's coming in to be born, the soul doesn't automatically anchor into that body fully until puberty. And that's something that I've noticed for quite some time, because there's a reason that once you hit puberty, all a sudden, you start thinking you know everything, or you're questioning your outside world. You're actually looking around you and you know, questioning what the nature of reality is.

11:02 Speaker 3: Prior to that, you're sort of automatic.

11:05 Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't even think that's interesting because it's kind of spot on. After puberty is like, it's weird because like I remember like a pre puberty life and a post puberty life, like things changed, Like you feel more. You're not like feeling around anymore. You've now come up with the like what you think reality is. You've you've kind of become comfortable with Okay, this is what reality is. You're no longer sticking things in your mouth as a baby to feel things and you know, experience the world through whatever sense as you can.

11:49 Speaker 2: You're now like, okay, I've done all that and now I've formed this idea of what reality is. So these are very formative years in someone's life. So it's interesting that you say that the actual fundamental soul part of it isn't actually attached until that time, right, It's not anchored, right, So.

12:11 Speaker 4: There's still a part of you that's in that body obviously, but from my observation, that's that's what it is. It takes that time to anchor itself in and then again around puberty that's when you start really seeing this. Now keep in mind too, that when you come into this world, you are given a perception of the world first and foremost, you do not form your own idea. In many cases, that's given to you by parents.

12:35 Speaker 3: Authority, figures, teachers, those around you.

12:38 Speaker 4: So again, once you hit puberty, you start looking at those perceptions of the world and questioning them if that's legitimate for you, if that's the way you're seeing things, and then you start forming your own idea about what reality really is.

12:51 Speaker 2: Right, right, So, how how old were you? You were fifteen sixteen? You start dabbling or you kind of dive head first, like you see a path and you're like, this is my path or I'm maybe I'm assuming here.

13:11 Speaker 3: No, you're pretty accurate with that. Yeah, it was very resonant with me.

13:16 Speaker 2: When is it that you have your first like was there an experience, like what was your first brush with what we call the phenomenon, whether it's in the sky or you know, paranormal more paranormal base, but when when does that happen? Or does it happen?

13:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there are some defining moments I would say that kind of go down that path.

13:39 Speaker 3: For me, it really started internally.

13:45 Speaker 4: I didn't realize you know at a young age that I was a medium and that I was clairvoyant.

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15:11 Speaker 4: But I was walking around within that structure, and there was a point where I really had the question that a lot of people come up against at some point in their life, and what's the meaning of life? Just something simple, what is the meaning of life? And I remember there was one day I was sitting in my room asking this question internally, and all of a sudden, I heard a voice in my head that was not internal dialogue, and it said, the point.

15:32 Speaker 3: Is to just be, to just be, to just be.

15:35 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what you're doing here. You have a plan, but you're also using your free will from moment to moment. And it's not so much that you need to focus on what comes after life. It's that you are here now and this is what you should be looking towards now. Even Betty Jed had a little saying said life is for living and light is for later. So that sort of encompasses that same idea. Stay in the moment because this is temporary.

16:05 Speaker 2: So very much so. And you know, it's something I've been saying a lot lately, is like I think a lot of people are. They're so concerned with the past, the future. And I know this is a cliche to say, but that they never realize that the present is a gift absolutely. And I mean if you think of what we experience as time is, yes, our brains fundamentally put it in linear form, right birth to current day and the future. Right. So we are in our brain simplifying it to a linear format, you know. But all it is is a bunch of now's compiled upon each other to create memories experiences.

16:54 Speaker 2: So like now, now, now, now, now, They're all compiling on top of each other to create this linear like memory of experiencing our world.

17:05 Speaker 3: Well, that's how our brains are wired.

17:07 Speaker 4: We're meant to compartmentalize certain things, and.

17:10 Speaker 3: This is to keep us from kind of losing it.

17:13 Speaker 4: It's sort of in the sense that you have a zero point gravity, if you will, and this is a perception that anchors you here into this reality. If you remove that, then different things happen. Now, if you want to look into nature and describe this and understand a little bit more, look at the two spirals that we're very familiar with that we can find the Fibonacci spiral and the golden Means spiral. The biggest difference between the two is that the golden mean is infinite. It never stops, it goes both directions Fibonacci does.

17:43 Speaker 4: So what nature did was took the golden mean spiral as an architect excuse me, as the architecture for nature, but realize there had to be a beginning and an end when you talk about duality. So it created the Fibonacci spiral, which is exactly the same, but it has beginning in an end. So you know, keep that in thoughts.

18:02 Speaker 2: Right, right, right, So what led you to the Bridgewater Triangle?

18:10 Speaker 4: It was another place that I'd always had my sights on, and when just before COVID, you know, I was still in radio. I've been in radio since two thousand and two and I was still doing shows in that format, and there was a person who convinced me to go onto YouTube. And at the time, I didn't realize how big, you know, YouTube had got, and I kind of figured it was still something for people to just throw videos up and have fun with it.

18:33 Speaker 3: But no, there was a.

18:34 Speaker 4: Serious platform that had formed that you know, major media outlets had been you know, putting their channels on and I soon realized that there were a lot of people that went to YouTube exclusively for their news and videos and so forth. Okay, so I'm gonna do that now. In doing this, you know, I get into the interviews. I just took what I did with radio and I made it more visceral for YouTube, which is fine.

18:56 Speaker 3: I've kept that format all the way through.

18:59 Speaker 4: But in only third phase of Moon and becoming very close friends with those guys, you know, and Blake and Brent Cousins.

19:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, Brent Cousins, Yeah, you.

19:09 Speaker 4: Know, I looked at them and some of the movies that they were putting together. I'm like, this is fantastic. But you know, there's two of you guys. Of course you can do it. And they're like, no, you can do it yourself. I'm like, no, I can't. They go, we'll show you. So Blake actually went down to a cemetery down the street when they were living in Hawaii and shot this all by himself. He took many different shots, showed me how to do this, and as soon as I saw it, I said, oh, okay, yeah, you're right, I can do this.

19:33 Speaker 4: And that's what really got me into the filmmaking. So back to Bridgewater Triangle. I always wanted to do a documentary on that place. There's so many different areas of anomalous activity and history that goes into the Triangle. For me, it was a mecca and a playground to get into the paranormal stuff and what have you. So that's what brought me up that way. And of course, knowing Harry Green and you know, Seneca and some of the other guys from the Bridgewater Triangle Paranormal Investigators, I eventually officially joined that team, even though more of.

20:00 Speaker 3: A peripheral number, because you know.

20:02 Speaker 4: It's tough for me to get out there all the time, but I'm always in contact with those guys. I know what they're doing, they know what I'm doing. So there's a good synergistic relationship that I have with the Bridgewater Triangle Investigators.

20:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of how we linked that with that because you know, I m listed. The one thing I wanted to do is really to go in there and not be blind. So you know, I wanted to enlist the help of the people that know the area, know the history, know it all. You know, that place is something different.

20:35 Speaker 4: Even just walking into the Triangle from any angle, you can feel something different in the air, there's a difference.

20:41 Speaker 3: And it's the same thing with Montauk Long Island.

20:43 Speaker 4: As soon as you cross the threshold of that town and you get into it, you feel like you're in some other world. It's a different energy that pervades.

20:51 Speaker 2: Right, It's like there's a bubble around it, and when you enter in, it's like a different, heavier feeling very much. So what would you say to the idea of this notion of because it seems like you're really into this like energy and you know, like just that not you know, there's way more than meets the eye. Right, As I famously say and will famously be written in the notes, is you know the world is It's just not black and white. There's so much more. I can't say it anymore. There's so much more gray than anyone can anticipate.

21:32 Speaker 2: So when you go to one of these places and you experience that gray, I call it this moment of conversion. If you haven't had it before, you're like, oh, it's tangible, measurable. Your biological sensors are like, something's different. So would you say that there is something about like Salem, the Bridgewater, Triangle, mon Talk, these places that have had tremendous loss and which is almost derivative. There's something else there you kind of see. It is the greed of man, oh yeah, or the selfish acts of man, right killing innocent people to you know, do whatever.

22:21 Speaker 2: There's that greed aspect in that. Do you think that it potentially is tainting the actual land and causing some sort of cursed like echo in the actual place? Absolutely like or something along those lines.

22:37 Speaker 5: No.

22:37 Speaker 3: Absolutely.

22:37 Speaker 4: You know, I came up with a theory some time ago, and you know, Harry and I had discussed this about the Bridgewater Triangle and because of the King Philip's War, this place used to be sacred. This is a very sacred place to all the indigenous people that were around here. And when they killed a bunch of people, you know, let's just talk about the Hackamock Swamp for a moment. When they killed people in that area, all that just became tainted with that blood. And I think that opened something to allow a lot more negativity to permeate that location.

23:08 Speaker 4: And you know, maybe in time this will clear, maybe it won't.

23:10 Speaker 3: I don't know.

23:11 Speaker 4: We never live long enough to really see it, but we still have plenty of haunted places that have been haunted for hundreds of years. And we're not talking about residual hauntings. We're talking about something sentient.

23:21 Speaker 3: Right, So you have both over.

23:23 Speaker 4: There in the triangle. You have intelligent haunts and you have residual haunts.

23:27 Speaker 3: But to be honest with you, you.

23:30 Speaker 4: Know, even looking at a location and thinking about whether this may be haunted, maybe there's let's say one spirit. We can talk about the Conjuring House in this context. Okay, there's more of a trickster spirit in there. It's not something malevolent the way that people have made it. But because so many people know about that location and have gone into the conjuring universe in terms of entertainment, that particular focus mentally draws all that energy there, and you actually amplify whatever's there because people have that inflow in a quantum sense, if you will.

24:03 Speaker 2: So they're putting. We talked about this with Peter Muse, this idea of the tulpa, right, this belief in something which it feeds kind of feeds on it and it almost either amplifies it, like you said, or creates it out of nothing. Right. So in this trickster element, right, this non malevolent but non benevolent. It's almost indifferent, and it almost has a sense of humor right the Interestingly enough, it tends to have. These things tend to have like a little bit of a sense of humor. So it's like that doesn't happen with residual stuff.

24:48 Speaker 2: That's something that's sentient, and it's like right, like there's no if I was to picture something like an echo of like a World War two veteran that got blown up and he's just walking the battlefield, he's not going to have a sense of humor, but a trickster element entity which may come from some sort of interdimensional playing field, rather than whatever we're experiencing with the residual stuff that's almost like tainted right the ground, and like that person's spirit, whatever's it's left over, it's just repeating its cycle.

25:30 Speaker 2: It's just like I said, an echo almost a glimpse into the past.

25:36 Speaker 3: I think of like a cassette tape. You can play it over and over again.

25:38 Speaker 2: It degrades and it over time it wears off.

25:41 Speaker 4: Maybe sure, I've always had that question when it comes to revisual hauntings.

25:45 Speaker 2: So like whether it degrades or not, Yeah, I don't know.

25:47 Speaker 4: I mean again, we go back to energy and vibration, and the reason that a place may become tainted or there's an echo of any sort is because the walls have ears, so to speak, that energy, that vibration is captured and held within the material around you. So, you know, you go down to the basic atomic level. Everything's in vibration, and in order for it to be in vibration and still exists in the same space as other bits of material, they have to sit within a certain vibrational matrix that is continuous with the reality that they're in.

26:17 Speaker 4: So, for example, if I were to take my hand and create let's say a synthetic electromagnetic field around this, and we call this X. Okay, my hand vibrates at X, so does the couch. Can't put my hand through the couch. But if I were to raise the vibration within that small system of electromagnetic field to X plus one, well, now I.

26:36 Speaker 3: Can put my hand through anything that has the value of X.

26:40 Speaker 4: So again, you know, keeping that in mind, you know, everything makes sound, we just can't hear it. It's subsonic frequencies, but it has well, there's resin frequencies, and there are other frequencies that go into the actual material that see today, like what we identify as wood or water, whatever that it has its own frequent see and again, in order for these things to exist in the same space, there has to be a musical component, a harmonic component for them to exist, Otherwise it would be something more in terms of a descent.

27:12 Speaker 2: Interesting. So that's deep, like that's a you know, we're only scratching the surface when it comes. I know, I love it. I love it. This is where we're beginning.

27:28 Speaker 3: What do you think consciousness is unquantifiable? I think.

27:37 Speaker 4: In order to have a real answer to that, we need to be living in a reality where we are more aligned with both both hemispheres of our.

27:44 Speaker 2: Pin our brain.

27:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, so a lot of people are living out of the left side. I mean predominantly societies are left brained. We're aware of the right brain, but we don't utilize it as much.

27:53 Speaker 3: But the right brain holds a lot more for us.

27:58 Speaker 4: That is waiting for our consciousness to reach a level where we're now more aware and being able to integrate those two loaves and then experience life that way instead of just being left brained. So, yeah, talking about consciousness, I mean, we can have light definitions of what we understand, but it's something that we're still fully trying to grasp.

28:19 Speaker 2: Do you find it weird that people try to quantify it and put it in a box and say, well, it simply just arises from the biological brain. It's just a circumstance of having a brain.

28:36 Speaker 4: Well, that's an opinion, and it's based on certain observances and scientific methods. And as we continue to expand the scientific field in general and we understand more, we have to integrate to certain things that maybe we put off to the side that didn't have connection prior to we realize do have connection. So it's an ever progressing sort of field that has to have the elasticity to be.

28:59 Speaker 3: Able to expand that way.

29:01 Speaker 4: In some some forms of academia you can do this, others you can't. And that's just the stubbornness of the human being.

29:09 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, do you believe that it's possible that

29:20 Speaker 2: people have tapped into raising the consciousness of others and potentially that our government knows that it's possible and is actively keeping us kind of suppressed to a degree where you know, they have these distractions and and I don't want to get too like conspiratorial, like, but the more I see behind the curtain, the more I realize that a lot of this shit is really theater out there. It's really theater.

29:59 Speaker 3: It's all by design.

30:00 Speaker 2: It's it's and it's it's almost like once you see it, you stop being able to stop seeing it not see it. So then you'll be in the grocery store and you'll see all these like almost NPCs, right, these people that just there's nothing there and they're just like in You're like, how do you make it to a day? How do you make it alive through it one day? Because you don't seem like like there's no personality, and you just start seeing like like, for instance, I was walking through Boston Common at one point, downtown Boston at one point, and you know when you like you're walking to Times Square, Boston Common or any populated area, and you see the mass of people walking and like there's different directions, but there's it's like chaos, but there's a little bit of order to it.

30:53 Speaker 2: It's kind of like the Matrix scene where he's instead of like bumping into people and shit, then once he learns that he's in the matrix he's able to, like without even knowing it, weave through them. I feel like I've I weave through people at this point because I'm actively always on the edge of like this existential kind of discussion. And I think that is what's good for this kind of stuff is I think inherently you're raising your consciousness by even just talking about it and understanding that is something there that just because the psychologist tells you it's sleep paralysis, they can't tell you what consciousness is still, So like, I get that there have opinions and methods, and I just I don't think that we're getting the full picture.

31:46 Speaker 3: We're not.

31:46 Speaker 4: And again this is by design. I mean to answer your question from a moment ago. You know, religion. Religion keeps us from knowing who we truly are. Now that's not to say that, you know, it doesn't help some people. It does give them structure, and I support that, But by and large, there's a ceiling and you're going to.

32:03 Speaker 3: Hit that ceiling and that's it.

32:05 Speaker 4: But you know, governments know about that and have utilized religion for as a form of control for many years. And it doesn't matter what religion, they're all similar in that affect.

32:15 Speaker 3: It's unfortunate.

32:16 Speaker 4: But you know, once you sort of break out of that mold or again, you know, for a lot of people, the perception that they were given as you know, a youngster. Once you start really looking at things for yourself and bringing it through your own filter, which is generally you know, fueled by experiences and research and your own intellect, then you're you're going to start seeing that wider picture. Now that doesn't necessarily mean you're going to understand it, but you're going to be aware that there is a broader, you know picture to look at.

32:48 Speaker 2: Very much so. But okay, so where are you on? Like do you keep up with like the stuff that's happening with the UFO files and you know, the tranches of because I know obviously the Cousin brothers are really into that, you know, doctor doctor Greer fat kind of like group are you do you keep up with that stuff?

33:15 Speaker 5: Oh?

33:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I couldn't ignore it if I tried. It's just too prominent in my circle of friends. And you know the people I work with, you know, Blake and Brent have released so many documentaries on this subject, and.

33:28 Speaker 2: I saw them at the second hearing. See that placard right there on the side, the Tyler Roberts slash. Yeah, that's from the second hearing. That was on my chair at a reserve seat and I saw them there. Yeah, they were filming for what would have become what would become It was that documentary they did about doctor Greer recently, the most recent one they did with them, Yes, and it was like about the hearing and like all that new stuff. So yeah, those guys are like actively in it. So you know, like the are what do you make of these quote unquote UFO whistleblowers?

34:05 Speaker 2: What do you make of what they're saying?

34:08 Speaker 3: I think, you know, in what they're able to say.

34:12 Speaker 4: You know, the public is finally getting a different narrative than we've been given for years and years and decades, I mean.

34:20 Speaker 3: Of misinformation, disinformation, outright lies. And you know this this isn't something new.

34:27 Speaker 4: There've always been whistleblowers that talk to whatever extent that they can. Some of them survive, a lot of them don't. And that's indicative of the era. Now we're moving into a paradigm shift. Well we've already kind of gone that way, but we're now in a steady paradigm shift where it's always been my opinion that you can keep a secret for so long and eventually it has to come out because things change and circumstances surrounding that secret shift.

34:51 Speaker 3: So I think that's what we're seeing here. And a lot of people want to sit down and say, Okay, we need a.

34:55 Speaker 4: Leader to tell us you know about extraterrestrials or what have you? Technology disclosure, We need disclosure from a leader. No, we don't know, we don't, and we're not going to get it. What we're going to get is individuals coming to that understanding of what disclosure is being convicted in that, whether it be anecdotal or not, and then a consensus around that idea of reality. And that is the manifestation of what disclosure really is.

35:21 Speaker 2: It's an individual and that's what I mean. So like when I had my UFOs hiding, I remember it comes over so like for in reference to me, it comes south to north right, and it comes over my head like from behind me, and it's oscillating, and I catch a glint of it and that's and then I'm locked onto it at twelve years old, and this thing's oscillating at tree top level broad daylight. At that moment, I can kind of like what I said with puberty, there was a pre and a post because pre I didn't have reference for what that was, and post I couldn't stop trying to find out what that was.

36:19 Speaker 2: And I here we are, almost twenty something years later, and I'm talking to you about these things, and I've built this whole thing because of a sighting and then one more experience in the room with my mother as she passed away, which we've probably talked about before, but I won't rehash it because everyone's heard it on this show a billion times. So but those two moments, I call those my moments of conversion. And when it's when I went from not knowing because I can tell you it's one one plus one equals two, or I could tell you it's raining outside, but until you walked up to the window and open it up and see with your own eyes that it's raining, you're taking my word right.

37:09 Speaker 2: But until you directly apprehend for yourself, because I can give you the clues, I can give you the equation, but until you understand fundamentally that one plus one equals to for yourself, and you understand that that how it gets there. Or when you see the rain after I told you it was raining, you're directly apprehending it. It's no longer a belief, it is a knowing. That's right, right, So those two experiences for me were my direct apprehension that the world was not black and white.

37:45 Speaker 3: And there's nobody on this planet they can tell you that it was that didn't happen for you. Yeah, okay. The majority of people who witness the UFO are taken. They just don't know it.

37:57 Speaker 4: And I've talked to a lot of different people about this and it all comes back to the same point. You may not remember it, and in many cases they come back and.

38:04 Speaker 3: Take you more. But we are working.

38:07 Speaker 4: With these different energies and the different species of extraterrestrial and I'm gonna say it that way because a lot of them are more terrestrial than they're extraterrestrial, but they just appear to be.

38:16 Speaker 3: Something off planet.

38:20 Speaker 4: And again, you know, we have this amnesia, and that's that's on purpose, because they need us to still be in the moment and do what we're doing here. There's a universal law that you can't really, you know, take that away from a living being. I mean, there are circumstances where force has been used, and we can talk about you know, some of those more warring or belligerent species that you know, have tried to take over, and you know, there's a lot of different stories to go into that and how some of them are actually guiding our governments and the Luciferian movements within our governments and shadow governments.

38:51 Speaker 4: You know, I've had an extraterrestrial appear right in front of me and there's nobody in the world that can tell me that never happened.

39:01 Speaker 2: Oh I gotta know.

39:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, this goes into the doctor Jonathan Reid case.

39:05 Speaker 4: And I don't know if you're terribly familiar with what happened with him, but you know, long story short, I won't get into the whole thing because we well, there is a movie that just came out called Contact in the Woods, and I cannot say too much about how that was put together, but I am in the film, so take that for what it is. But his case is very precarious because at some point with his actions, you know, he put a mark on himself without realizing it.

39:37 Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety six, he.

39:38 Speaker 4: Was out in the woods of Oregon with his dog, and it's a walk that they normally would take. He was a doctor of psychology, I believe it was, and this is what he would do when he got out of work.

39:48 Speaker 3: You'd take the dog out of the woods to have a little hike go home.

39:51 Speaker 4: Well, at one point the dog ran up over a ridge and all of a sudden, Jonathan heard the dog screaming in pain. So he immediately runs up and see this little three foot being taken the dog by the neck, whipping it around like a wet towel, and wherein it literally the capcate excuse me, decapitated. The dog threw the carcass on the ground. As it hit the ground, it turned into white ash, so there was no cadaver to speak of.

40:17 Speaker 3: There's this pile of white ash.

40:19 Speaker 4: Instinctively, in that moment a panic, Jonathan picks up a stick, runs up to this creature, whatever it is, and smacks it on the back of the head with all the force he possibly can, putting about a softball sized contusion into this being's head. Now, when it falls on the floor, he assumes that it's dead.

40:34 Speaker 3: It's bleeding.

40:35 Speaker 4: You can see brain matter coming out of it. He had a camera with him where he filmed all of this as it had happened.

40:41 Speaker 3: Not the moment he hit the being, but as soon as this happen the camera.

40:45 Speaker 4: And it's really difficult to watch his footage because he immediately gets sick when he strikes this this entity.

40:51 Speaker 3: So he strikes it and strong.

40:54 Speaker 2: There's there's footage. Yes, you've seen it.

41:00 Speaker 3: Yes, we not bullshit, not bullshit, and we've used it in the movie.

41:04 Speaker 2: He took this how is it not headline? Uh well, we'll get to that, okay, all right.

41:11 Speaker 4: Sorry, he took this being home with him because he didn't know what else to do, and he didn't know.

41:16 Speaker 2: What he Sorry, he puts it in the fridge.

41:19 Speaker 4: Yes, so art Bell covered this ideally in the hunting freezer.

41:23 Speaker 2: I do know it.

41:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, long story short, many people had seen this. They came over, they witnessed this. He did autopsies.

41:30 Speaker 4: He filmed all of this, and when you watch the film, you can see that the eyes are still moving, there's eyeshine sometimes that the facial muscles will twitch.

41:37 Speaker 3: This a little bit.

41:38 Speaker 4: It was playing possum for one reason or another. And when he put it in that hunting freezer. It actually rejuvenated the being and that's why it was able to to yep, but it went back into its dimension or.

41:50 Speaker 3: Whatever it was from.

41:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, whatever now continues to visit Jonathan and those who work with him to this day. I've been on the phone with him where this being shows up. I have heard the voice of this being and he's colloquially named Freddie, so they call him Freddie. Yeah, it's interesting, and I'll show you some pictures you know, when we're through the interview that you know Jonathan has sent to me, and you know.

42:19 Speaker 3: Some of the videos whatever.

42:20 Speaker 4: But you know, if you see the movie Contact in the Woods, all this is covered.

42:24 Speaker 3: And you know, we go down the line.

42:25 Speaker 2: But is it out right now?

42:26 Speaker 3: Yes, it is.

42:27 Speaker 2: I'm going to watch it.

42:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can get on YouTube movies. You can go there and get it for free.

42:32 Speaker 2: The description below.

42:33 Speaker 3: For this video to be the Apple TV. It's on all the major platforms.

42:40 Speaker 4: But he's been hunted and nearly destroyed by whatever faction of government is after him.

42:48 Speaker 3: He's been shot three times. Yeah, so is Freddie?

42:51 Speaker 2: Now? Like what's the relationship. It's like, dude, you fucking killed my dog and you meduced him into like smoke, like rubble. By the way, doesn't that sound weird? It was an accident, But I'm saying, doesn't that sound kind of familiar to what our ancestors said when they looked into the eyes of this being, like call it Medusa or call it whatever other one I forget the other one that when you looked into its eyes you turned to stone.

43:27 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Medusa, Medusa, right, the most well known one, yes, or.

43:33 Speaker 2: When the other one turns them to salt. That's kind of like what happened, right, That's the way to look at it. There's like there's a connection there that I can't help but notice it's like, again, is our our were our ancient ancestors dealing with these same things and just putting a different label on it.

43:55 Speaker 3: Answer, in my opinion is yes, Yeah.

43:57 Speaker 4: I think that we've been working with this for a long time and perhaps.

44:01 Speaker 3: Our entire existence.

44:02 Speaker 2: So I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off and take a t real So, So that was.

44:06 Speaker 6: An accidentship, Yeah, So it just so happened that Freddy was in the woods doing something and as far as we can ascertain, he might have been like a geological surveyist.

44:19 Speaker 4: He was doing something scientifically based that we don't understand, but that's what he was doing. And the dog came up. And it wasn't actually Freddy that killed the dog.

44:28 Speaker 3: It was his suit. It had a defensive measure.

44:31 Speaker 4: It's half biological, half mechanical, and that's what actually grabbed the dog. So Freddie, I mean, the question has been asked, you know, was there I'm sorry or you know, I wish it didn't happen. And he doesn't understand it the way that we understand it.

44:47 Speaker 3: So it just it happened.

44:48 Speaker 2: He just doesn't He doesn't understand the connection to like why he asked to apologize or right, like he might not even understand apologies in that way. That's correct, Like we can't assume that they that if we put our hand out they would shake it. That might be super disrespectful something, you know what I mean, Like we have to think about these things, right, Yeah, to understand it. Yeah, and and so he probably if this again, I have to say this, If this is true, he it would make sense that as being would not really like understand the ramification of what happened, Like wouldn't understand that that that is deeply disrespectful to us, the same way we wouldn't know if sticking our hand out would be disrespectful to them as a sign, like some sign on there where they come from, that that that's terribly disrespectful to do, right or something like that, just caveat.

45:49 Speaker 2: But so the being now just shows up and is helping him now.

45:55 Speaker 4: So a relationship was formed early on when you know, this being sprung from the hunting freezer, obviously Jonathan had to do something with that, right, So they tried to communicate with each other audibly at first, and they just weren't connecting.

46:10 Speaker 3: I mean, Freddy was making a series from what I understand.

46:12 Speaker 4: Of clicks pops, you know, sibilants if you will, but it just wasn't coming across. And then Freddy attempted to communicate with Jonathan telepathically by sending you know, certain images into his mind's eye, and they eventually found a balance in that. And yes it's still rudimentary and the way that they can communicate, but they can understand each other. There have been reporters that have stayed with Jonathan covering the story for months, sometimes years, and they see this being too, So it's not just Jonathan.

46:44 Speaker 4: Yeah, Unfortunately, to really pursue, you know, anything that Jonathan has, Jonathan would have to come to you because he is surrounded by a team of ex Navy seals.

46:54 Speaker 2: To him, they're red, they're they're protecting the asset. Well, what they want to know what's going on?

47:02 Speaker 4: Well, the reason we believe that whatever faction of government is after him is because of a specific artifact that he found during that experience.

47:11 Speaker 2: And we call it the link an artifact, an.

47:13 Speaker 4: Artifact, it's an actual cuff link that goes on your wrist and when he found it, he just scooped it up brought it with him because it was on Freddie at one point, but at some point he decided to put it on now again, I can show you pictures of this, and he actually demonstrated what I'm going to tell you in front of a live studio audience in Canada with Haimi Mosan.

47:35 Speaker 3: So what happens you understand the I don't get me to start on Jimi Mossan.

47:40 Speaker 4: Okay, I mentioned the name because he is part of the original story.

47:44 Speaker 2: He is and he also is like one of the biggest in South America for this the show is arguably like the coast to coast of that, you know what I mean. So he's got the big platform, that's where people are going to go.

47:58 Speaker 4: I mean, I was on you know, the news down in Mexico along with Third Phase, couple other people at one point, and we air to fifty five million homes in Mexico.

48:07 Speaker 2: So that isn't look at this stuff differently. Yes, they do culturally differently.

48:11 Speaker 4: Well, they exalt with him rather than you know, going against the grain. But then again, Mexico has had its share of understandings far beyond what the American public has been given.

48:22 Speaker 3: Note of absolutely, and there are other countries like that too.

48:24 Speaker 2: So okay, so Himusan is involved. So they go on the show.

48:32 Speaker 3: They go on the show.

48:33 Speaker 4: Jonathan puts the link on, and what happens is if you look on the underside of the link, there are these little holes and these pins actually come out and connect directly to your nervous system. And this is not a pleasurable experience because it starts here and then there's a burning that goes all the way up into the chest. And you can see the agony that Jonathan is in when he's undergoing this transformation.

48:54 Speaker 3: Immediately he turns.

48:56 Speaker 4: Into a ball of white light and disappears. I'm sorry, And now he reappears as that ball of white light and becomes the physical form again.

49:07 Speaker 3: Question is where does he go?

49:08 Speaker 4: He goes to the dimension or reality that Freddie civilization is in. And he has described this reality to me vividly. He's had many experiences going into this reality. Sometimes it's the same place. Sometimes it's in between where you can look out, let's say a window and you can see souls floating around a field waiting to be incarnated, sharing experiences, talking.

49:32 Speaker 3: About what they want to do, waiting for their.

49:35 Speaker 4: Turn to be Eslimbo that's talked about this is this is a place that he has been with this cuff link. So it's our opinion that these people that are after him they want that cuff Okay, Now Jonathan doesn't have it in his possession.

49:47 Speaker 3: He's put nine people between him and the.

49:49 Speaker 4: Cuff link because nobody can use that and he will never bring it out, He'll never show it.

49:54 Speaker 2: Why not just read the place.

49:57 Speaker 4: Well, you know, he doesn't even know where it is physically, so he's hidden it with other people so that it cannot be accessible. Unless there's an absolute emergency that's called to use that.

50:08 Speaker 2: Does he have protocols in place that if they come ye, good.

50:15 Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, all that's taken care of.

50:18 Speaker 2: And you can show me pictures of this thing. Absolutely, And I can play this video of himI Mussan if I wanted to right now.

50:26 Speaker 3: You can find it on YouTube if I if we can find it.

50:30 Speaker 2: I'm a pretty good sleuth about that, So.

50:32 Speaker 4: You can absolutely find I'll give you more details after the fact as to you know, what you can look up to to find that video, but absolutely, and it's in the movie.

50:39 Speaker 2: Too, Okay, yeah, maybe in the members only section two. We can talk a little bit, you know a little bit more, but.

50:52 Speaker 4: I mean it's to the point where that look, I've been approached by his team independently.

50:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, you said that appeared in front of you. When did this happen?

51:04 Speaker 4: So in getting to know Jonathan, I was put together with him through Doctor J Radio Live, who was Art Bell's producer from Midnight in the Desert, very good friend of mine, and Jonathan agreed to do this show with me because he had a deep relationship with Art Bell and he trusts Art Camp and those who are left, so that was kind of my in.

51:26 Speaker 3: We did our first show.

51:27 Speaker 4: It was phenomenal, and when we got back into the green room at the end of the session, you know, Jonathan said, hey, Michael, it's a couple of things I need to tell you before we go forward with anything.

51:35 Speaker 3: I said, sure, what's that?

51:37 Speaker 4: He says, Well, the first is that you might be harmed. You might be hurt being in you know, connection with me. Some of these people may come after you too.

51:45 Speaker 2: Oh right.

51:45 Speaker 3: I said, okay, well, that's not something I'm unfamiliar with.

51:48 Speaker 4: I've gotten my hand and a lot of things. I know that my phone's been tapped many times. We know these things do it comes with the territory.

51:56 Speaker 3: And he said.

51:57 Speaker 4: The second thing is that this being Freddie might appear to you. I said why.

52:01 Speaker 3: He goes, well, sometimes when you get close enough to me, they want to know who you are.

52:05 Speaker 4: I said, oh yeah, okay, sure, I take it with a grain of salt. Two weeks later, I'm in my bedroom over in Wister, Okay, playing an oculus. It's a mini golf with rich Jordanald from Goofon. We finish out the game, I put my headset down, I turn around and in my armchair is Freddy.

52:26 Speaker 3: To his left.

52:26 Speaker 4: Which really surprised me, were these three ribbon light beings. I don't know what to describe. I've never seen anything like this in my life. Literally, they looked like ribbon, about this thick but very long, and they were made of light, and they were floating about three feet off the ground. As I looked at them, I looked at Freddy. I looked at them, and instantly I tried to connect instinctively in some way, shape or form, and I realized it was like as if you were to talk to the consciousness of plants.

52:55 Speaker 4: So while there's a consciousness that's there, it's not something you could connect with in that sense. I look back at Freddie and I heard in my head again, not internal dialogue. We've had a fantastic conversation.

53:06 Speaker 3: Now it's done. They all disappear right in front of me.

53:10 Speaker 4: I've been in the paranormal world for decades and I've seen some shit bro okay, but nothing like this. I was so jostled. I stood there for ten minutes, my jaw open. I couldn't even talk to myself. I didn't know what to make of this, And when I kind of gathered myself. I said, all right, well, the first thing I'm gonna do is make sure that this isn't like some sort of influence that you know, Jonathan said he might come visit me. I wasn't thinking about it. But you know, at the same time, I'm like, well, maybe that.

53:35 Speaker 2: Is consciousness, nerve your left brain is now working all that time.

53:41 Speaker 3: Absolutely, but I needed to do that.

53:43 Speaker 4: I had to stay critical in that moment because of what I possibly just really experienced. So you know, another ten minutes go by, and finally I'm like, okay, I gotta call somebody. So I ended up talking to Rich first, and then I talked to Blake and Brent and that's eventually.

54:00 Speaker 3: Talked to doctor j about it.

54:01 Speaker 4: But those are like the three people or four people I really spoke to about this experience. I was in that mindset that I didn't you know, a lot of people get to them.

54:10 Speaker 3: I don't want people think I'm crazy. What the hell did I just seek?

54:13 Speaker 4: And so, you know, we were slated to do another interview about a week later, and I said, Jonathan, before we get into the studio, I gotta talk about something, and he goes, okay. So we get in and he goes, yeah, you want to would you want to mention? I said, well, this is what happened to me. I said, does that have anything to do with you? Immediately he just starts laughing, like we laughing at He goes, I knew he was gonna come and see you. I just don't want to tell you because I didn't want you to expect it.

54:36 Speaker 4: I said, okay, so this happened. He goes, that happened, said, no, shit. And I've seen him twice in dream and one other time he was in my house that I live in now, and it wasn't I knew he was there.

54:51 Speaker 3: I could feel his presence. I just couldn't see him. But with Freddie, I feel like.

54:56 Speaker 4: There's now a connection I have with him that cannot be severed. It's it's forever and almost in the sense. The only way I can explain this is you know you have a loved one who had passed away and you know they're around you, or you have a guardian angel that you can speak to.

55:07 Speaker 3: They're like way.

55:08 Speaker 4: Back in the distance, but they're here. That's where Freddie sits. So anytime I'm talking about him, they're aware of it.

55:14 Speaker 3: They know it.

55:16 Speaker 2: Freddy, Freddy see me. We'll have a nice chat.

55:23 Speaker 4: Yeah.

55:23 Speaker 3: A lot of people have asked me, well, how can I see him? Can you send him to me? It's not my decision, never was, it's theirs.

55:30 Speaker 4: You have to be open to it at least at least, but then they have to select you.

55:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so good point.

55:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I feel very honored Freddy.

55:38 Speaker 2: I very marge gift worthy. If I'm like, you know, if I can lift the door's hammer.

55:45 Speaker 3: I think they're looking for a certain.

55:50 Speaker 4: Genuine affect and a person when it comes to talking about this, because Freddy is, like I said, not actra terrestrial.

55:56 Speaker 3: He's actually us from a timeline in the future.

55:59 Speaker 2: Oh okay, so good, thank you. I was gonna say, so, talk to me about where Freddy's from and what are the details. What does he look Let's start by what does he look like? Well, does he look like that like the archetypal alien.

56:19 Speaker 4: He doesn't look like your typical gray. He looks like more of a cross of something else. But he's still more likely in the species that we would.

56:27 Speaker 3: Call the gray.

56:28 Speaker 4: But he is biological and yet he has a cyborg component as well.

56:32 Speaker 3: Right, created for a purpose.

56:34 Speaker 4: It's not like they just birth, you know, at random, and like we do, and you know, you have your life and you live out. You're actually bred for a specific reason and you're produced in a laboratory type setting the way we would see it.

56:45 Speaker 2: So they're essentially creating almost like so it's probably this advanced biological where we're heading right, like with things like chrisper gene editing, but kind of programming that along with AI and you know, the merging of technology and biology is they're probably like light years ahead in that regard. So they're able to create these bodies that are able to have souls anchor to them, right because I would assume you have to have some sort of biological component for the soul to want it even or to be able to even enter.

57:27 Speaker 3: I would imagine the way that you would, But I don't know. Because these species that are.

57:32 Speaker 4: So highly advanced, death is not something that they experience. They choose when they're born, they choose when they.

57:37 Speaker 2: Go really that's it.

57:39 Speaker 4: They superseded death a long time ago, so the natural cycle of life is not something they adhere to. And they exist more within the higher vibrations than the one that we sit in right now third dimensionally, even though there is an avatar of a component that does exist in this third dimension, they more or less sit on a higher vibration. So Freddie, according to him, is from one of the deeper recesses of our oceans, and a lot of these species do live in these cavernous underground underwater you know, areas and the places that we simply could never reach with anything that we have, at least for now.

58:16 Speaker 2: Yeah. We talked about this last episode that we know more about the surface of the Moon than we do our deepest ocean. Yeah, and we like the Marianas Trench and stuff like. You want to tell me that you that that you are confident that nothing's down there that we don't know about. You're you're confident in telling me that.

58:38 Speaker 3: That's as confident as me telling you there's nothing out in space in terms of life.

58:41 Speaker 2: Right, it's you know, yeah, I mean you've never the pressure is far too far too like we can't even fathom it. It's like this boat, this titan, the capsule that went down there. And you know what idiot decides to build something in fiber like fire, like, yeah, let me just build my the only thing separating me between you know, tons and tons and tons of pressure and the sea and I'll just go down in this made of fiber fiber is not it's valuable, like inherently it's fibers, right, and like, what's that?

59:29 Speaker 2: What's that fiber stuff? That? Uh, glass, fiber fiberglass. He made his thing out of fiberglass because it was cheaper. It's like, you shouldn't be cutting costs on that. That's the only thing that's keeping you alive. And that's why that You could just have ever heard the audio from it. You just hear things popping pop pop. That's the fibers, boom boom. So they just had to listen while the world ended around them. That's haunting, absolute tragedy.

1:00:00 Speaker 4: But yeah, once again, you know, there are many things that could have been done differently to avert that and.

1:00:05 Speaker 2: The greed of man.

1:00:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well, going back to that idea, I think that you're absolutely right about that.

1:00:10 Speaker 2: The greed of man. He was cutting costs so he could get billionaires down there quicker and fucked with the safety of it. Oh, absolutely cut corners. This is an episode about that. Sorry, it just pisses me off that he did that because he killed people, killed a kid.

1:00:28 Speaker 3: Yep.

1:00:31 Speaker 2: But where were.

1:00:33 Speaker 4: We Well, yeah, I think I wanted to mention about you know, Freddy living.

1:00:37 Speaker 2: Oh right, Freddy.

1:00:39 Speaker 4: When Jonathan brought Freddie home, he took bone graphs, skin graphs, and blood samples and he had those shipped off to university. Okay, there's a story around that, but I'll save that for another time. Long story short, they did come back those analytics and it turns out that out of the forty eight chromosomes that you know, biological beings have atually, you know, human beings, forty were a.

1:01:04 Speaker 3: Match for us.

1:01:05 Speaker 4: We shared forty of the same chromosomes. The other eight were split between dolphin and sea turtle. I got to think about where he's saying he lives, and if they're pulling stuff out of the environment, O guy to create this biological life.

1:01:21 Speaker 3: This makes sense.

1:01:22 Speaker 2: Dolphins are hyper intelligent. Sea turtles last longevity. You have longevity and intellect.

1:01:35 Speaker 4: Not to mention that dolphins are very connected to source.

1:01:38 Speaker 3: At least that's the way it goes Jesus Christ. So there are a lot of details about this case that simply cannot.

1:01:45 Speaker 2: So he's a few So you know that kind of like aligns with the cycle of life, if you will, right, because out of the oceans we emerged, right if you want to go with that, like I'm not I'm sure that true. That is they say we came out of the water and you know, then evolved and you know here we are today, and that then we go back to the water for some reason, and that's why our eyes get bigger, right, because the sun is far far less effective and right down there it's still there, but it's not as prevalent.

1:02:32 Speaker 2: So you need to adapt to a darker environment one of water. It made it totally would make sense and fit that like kind of like that model exactly. So so there us from the future, but they live here now. But there is another place you said that they so doctor Jonathan put the link on and so then what he went into the water on earth?

1:03:00 Speaker 4: See, that's that's a tough one to answer because you know, while we sit here we can talk about this, we still can't quantify what that dimension actually was. You know, Jonathan can talk about it and describe it, and you know he saw these you know, very large forty to fifty foot pillar beings of light that had the consciousness of what you would call christ You know, they're on that fourth, fifth, sixth dimensional intelligence and consciousness level. But there's an entire civilization, and who knows if they're actually swimming around in the water, if they have some sort of breathable air and you know, contained units.

1:03:34 Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what that looks like. And maybe Jonathan could answer that a little bit more clearly. But you know, you got to think again non linearly in this. Just because you know we're in this space doesn't mean that there isn't something else utilizing the same space in a different vibration. In fact, that's the way I look at reality built on a level of height, rather than something that goes horizontally, the way we look at times.

1:03:57 Speaker 2: Layered like an onion, right, rather than flat like flat Earth?

1:04:02 Speaker 3: Correct? Did you gotta love the flat earth theory?

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1:07:18 Speaker 2: Good Feels cannabis Seltzer's replace the alcohol, keep the experience, stay in control. All right, and we're back from the break. I am here with Michael. I'm super excited. This has been such a fantastic conversation. You know, we were talking about things, you know, where should we go next? And you had mentioned mon Talk. Now, I think a lot of people now kind of go, oh, it's a Stranger Things thing, you know. Can you tell us the mon talk story.

1:07:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give you an abbreviated version, because this is something that really has no end when you get down to it and you talk about going down a rabbit hole, this is the biggest one you can find. Yes, So yes, the Montalk project has been amplified in terms of interest because of Stranger Things Initially, when I was talking to the mon Talk historian Brian Minnick, we kind of both have the consensus that this wasn't a great thing because, you know, it was bringing other people around that didn't really necessarily have the respect for what had happened at Campiro, didn't have the full story.

1:08:30 Speaker 4: They were, you know, printing out falsities within their narrative. So, you know, again, at first we kind of looked at this and thought, well, this is more of a negative thing in terms of publicity. But as time has gone on, I've noticed that anytime I bring up the Montalk Project, I can connect people with this idea through stranger things.

1:08:49 Speaker 3: So I met just stranger things like, oh yeah.

1:08:51 Speaker 4: I know that show, So all right, the first season is essentially what was happening to kids in Montalk pretty spot on. Yeah, I mean, the conditioning, the reprogramming, all that you see eleven go through was a very small sliver of what actually happened. But I've held the original script in my hand, and it was actually I've held in my hand. I've read it, and you know, I don't understand exactly why there are reasons that are given they went a different direction instead of using Montalk, but that's where the inspiration is from, as you know.

1:09:22 Speaker 4: So the Montalk project, we have the accounts of essentially three people, but I'll include the fourth because he was part of that story. You have Preston Nichols, Al Dunk excuse me, Duncan Cameron and al Bailck. And then of course you have Peter Moon, who was ancillary in helping to write the books with Preston. I've hung out with Peter Moon, I've gone to Campiro with him. He's in my first documentary on Montalk, and you know, I spent personal time.

1:09:50 Speaker 3: With him as well.

1:09:52 Speaker 4: He does believe that what was expressed through these three individuals more than likely did happen. Does he believe that it happened exactly the way that these individuals had recounted. No, and nobody really should because there's a lot to unpack when it comes through this, and we're talking about deep seated memories that they're relying on. There's very little physical evidence that this actually happened. But anecdotally, I've gotten to the bottom of this as far as I think I can go talking to locals and people that were around during that time.

1:10:30 Speaker 4: Everybody in Montauk either has a story about how they're involved, or they know somebody that was involved, or they knew somebody who was in the Gifted and Talented program, Talented Gifted, whatever it is, where they were taking kids in and doing this stuff. Now, initially they kind of went to military families. So if you were, you know, a family that had active people in the military, they'd come to you and say, hey, listen, we have an opportunity.

1:10:54 Speaker 3: You know, we need your child to participate.

1:10:55 Speaker 4: This is going to be for the betterment of the country, this thing, and people would dish out their kids not realizing that. I guess the number has grown to about three hundred thousand that was suspected to have died in Campiro.

1:11:10 Speaker 4: The whole experiment itself was empirical, so you know, let's just say one aspect of it.

1:11:15 Speaker 3: You'd sit in a chair.

1:11:16 Speaker 4: The Sage radar system that's on the base, the last one left in the world. It just happened to be the right frequency to create mind control frequencies, is how this whole thing began. And then they were experimenting with other oscillations and frequencies outside of that, just to see what would happen and the effect on the human body. So you'd be sitting in a chair and they'd beam a certain set of frequencies at you.

1:11:39 Speaker 3: See what happened.

1:11:40 Speaker 4: Maybe you fried, maybe something else happened, And if you died, they just pull you out of the chair, kick you aside, and put somebody else in it and dial up one more and see what happens.

1:11:48 Speaker 3: Now we'll record it. So again, the empirical nature of this experiment.

1:11:52 Speaker 4: Was absolutely horrific, and there was a lot of life lost allegedly within this project. But we go into time travel, we go into time dilation. We talk about removing the soul from the body, putting in a silicon based computer, reprogramming it, putting it back into the body. One thing I'm gonna mention, and I've said this for many years. You know, a lot of these ideas of what technology was used in the Montark project, it just seemed to be utter pure fantasy. Okay, some Star Trek kind of stuff. Long story short.

1:12:23 Speaker 4: I always said, watch, you're going to see that technology implemented into the public at some point, and it's going to be used for something different or something similar, but it's not weaponized.

1:12:33 Speaker 3: It's just now going to be out there.

1:12:35 Speaker 2: It's yeah, its way into the public sector in some way, a form or fashion.

1:12:39 Speaker 4: And usually these are privatized organizations using this type of technology. You talk about skunk Words, you talk about you know, Lockheed Martin, you talk about Bigelow, all these different you know, facets of companies that they're going to use this technology.

1:12:51 Speaker 3: They have the first dib on it.

1:12:53 Speaker 4: And recently I've been coming across articles where they're talking about by twenty forty five, there will be an option where they can extract your essence, your soul, whatever you want to call it, put it in a silicon based computer, give you a new body, put you back in. Okay, by twenty forty five, that's going to be available to the elites. By twenty fifty five, that'll be available to the common person. Now, there's a huge uproar in the scientific community based on morality because.

1:13:20 Speaker 2: That's transhumanist, very much so.

1:13:23 Speaker 3: And at the same time, we're sort of cheating.

1:13:26 Speaker 4: Death now, right, so we achieve a type of immortality that people are really nervous about.

1:13:31 Speaker 3: And I understand that.

1:13:33 Speaker 2: So, but this is if we say that Freddy's thing is real, right, and they've also essentially cured death. I don't like to death is not a disease transcended, but trans thank you, transcended death. Right, this is like what that sounds like is the crudest form of that. Right, it's the first step. It's the chat GPT of AI. Yes, Right, it's the l l l l M Large Language Model of AI. It's the the entry point. Right, is this like, all right, we'll upload you onto computer and then we'll put you spring you back into a different body.

1:14:18 Speaker 2: Right, Whereas they've if you're if it's true, they've just solved it to the point where you have one body, right and you just live for you know, you decide your time.

1:14:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they've gone well beyond what we could an Right.

1:14:32 Speaker 2: But again you see these exponential points right like these where you could see there, it's like the technology is there, it's just different stages of it. Right, And we're on the precipice of And maybe that's why there's a lot more interaction now, is we are on the precipice. Maybe you know, the nuclear bomb, we've seen that there's a correlation between these beings, you know, interacting with our nuclear sites, right, ever since the Trinity tests, and you know Hiroshima and Nagasaki, there's been an unprecedented and very very dramatic increase in sightings.

1:15:23 Speaker 2: It's statistical, absolutely right. So was that the first bell that's wrung and then the second bell is AI?

1:15:34 Speaker 3: Well?

1:15:34 Speaker 4: The scary thing about all this, and I'm glad you brought this up because it's something I did want to talk about.

1:15:38 Speaker 3: You know, in Freddy.

1:15:40 Speaker 4: Coming back to Jonathan, he's bringing messages to him every time, and he's giving him dire warnings too, because essentially, as I mentioned Freddy being us from a future timeline or what have you, they made the same mistakes that we're making right now, especially when it comes to AI. They leaned very heavily on AI to the point where they just let AI do everything. So they lost a certain type of humanity that we naturally possess in exchange for an easier existence.

1:16:09 Speaker 3: With AI, and you know, a model that was automatic.

1:16:14 Speaker 4: So the problem is, I mean, I can talk about this till I'm blue in the face, Johnathan, and talk about this. You can talk about this, but right now, it's not going to change our trajectory when we're using AI or the intention behind what we're going to do with it or what we have done with it already.

1:16:29 Speaker 2: Like guys like Peter Thiel, guys like Sam Altman, they're not going to stop because we the pleabs in the lower class to them, say got hey, this is ethically questionable.

1:16:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it comes back to what you said, man's greed.

1:16:47 Speaker 2: Man's greed. Man's man's unapologetic lunging into the unknown without understanding the ramification when we should be crawling instead of full sprint. Right, these guys, have you seen the trailer for that? Like it's like the AI Apocalypse documentary.

1:17:17 Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not sure.

1:17:19 Speaker 2: These guys all that are the originators of AI, he asked the documentary, and documentary documentarian Cheese asks them each and the way they cut it, it's perfect, but it's also haunting because each person he's talking to, they're at the head of these AI tech giant companies, and he says, can you guarantee this doesn't lead to the extinction of humanity? Each one of them says, unfortunately, I can't make that promise.

1:17:59 Speaker 3: That's right in.

1:18:01 Speaker 2: Secession, like five or seven of them boom, all saying the same thing. I can't like almost like it's scripted, Like I'm sorry, I can't make that promise. They know that what they we might be running to our.

1:18:17 Speaker 4: Death, but you know why they don't care about that because of man's creed.

1:18:22 Speaker 3: That's the simple answer.

1:18:24 Speaker 4: Right, there's a lot of evidence that we've already moved off planet, a lot of evidence.

1:18:30 Speaker 2: So like the Secret Space Program, we can go that direction because I mean, bring this full circle, mon talk your essentially creating kids that have superpowers.

1:18:45 Speaker 3: Right, there was a line that yes, this.

1:18:47 Speaker 2: Consciousness based like ability. You know, of course they made it look a little bit weirder and stranger things where she's like moving things of their mind, and there's probably an element of that, but I don't think think, you know, like the superhero element that they added in dramatization of strange things is like the true thing. I think it's like they were really conducting experiments on like consciousness and how it can be molded with kids because they're susceptible. They're not locked in.

1:19:21 Speaker 2: So if you find out that the soul's not anchored till puberty, well then you're gonna get want a bunch of pre pubescent kids. That's right to fuck around with right to to mold and that leads to whatever comes next and to whatever comes after that. And you know, soldiers in the battlefield with enhancements, and that leads to that's at least how they're thinking, right, yes, and eventually we get to this place and that's what we are now, where everything's compartmentalized, siloed zero point energy is locked in in a skiff.

1:20:04 Speaker 2: Right, what if we are off planet and if we are conducting the secret space program. I think all of these things are connected.

1:20:17 Speaker 3: They are.

1:20:17 Speaker 4: And it all begins really with Montalk, and there are a lot of sister projects that branched out. Montalk wasn't the only project of its type going on at the time. There was a parallel project over in Russia.

1:20:27 Speaker 3: I know for sure.

1:20:28 Speaker 4: They had a similar psychic chair that you could sit in and make things manifest, whether that's a can of beer or it's you know.

1:20:35 Speaker 3: A portal that you walk.

1:20:36 Speaker 2: Was this a Soviet Union or Russia?

1:20:39 Speaker 4: It was more likely the Soviet Union at the time. I'm just that's what I understand. So it's over there in that area in that country, they were doing the same thing.

1:20:47 Speaker 2: Well, Cold War era, you know, we were fighting that's the thing. We're just we're racing Russia.

1:20:55 Speaker 4: And we had time to do that because it was no actual conflict. There was always a threat of conflict, but it never came. So they spent that time doing more research and stuff along those lines. But you know, you mentioned, you know, maybe the superhero thing wasn't necessarily an aspect.

1:21:11 Speaker 3: We got to keep in mind.

1:21:12 Speaker 4: There was an individual by the name of Andy Parrow who was in Project Superman, and one of the tasks that he was meant to do was you'd start on a stool, You stand on the stool, you shut your eyes, and you jump off of it. But what was not understood at the time as the subject is that every time you stood in that stool, it got taller and taller.

1:21:32 Speaker 3: You just didn't know it.

1:21:34 Speaker 4: So they conditioned the mind to believe the reality wanted to experience. And so at some point he was jumping off of bridges and not getting injured.

1:21:45 Speaker 2: But if he was to get the mindset was like, it's a stool.

1:21:49 Speaker 4: His mind was literally manifesting that reality, so he would experience it as just jumping off of a stool.

1:21:54 Speaker 2: That's you know, the conditioning.

1:21:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the.

1:21:57 Speaker 4: Conditioning, sob was there was a limit, so there was one jump that he made and he ended up breaking a leg. But according to people like Andrew Bijago, who was definitely part of Montalk, but he was also part of other projects I won't get into at the moment, he would say that there was a meditation that you would go into and you were conditioned to do this where you would actually reprogram your body to.

1:22:24 Speaker 3: Heal through the mind.

1:22:25 Speaker 4: And I actually listened to him talking about this meditation and going through it, and oddly enough, I found myself in some of these different colored rooms within my internal if you will, I actually saw what these looked like. So you know, maybe one room was red light and you walk in there, there'd be a small bathtub and you get into that bathtub, you know, in your meditation, and this would actually heal your physical body, so they could physically heal themselves after a certain point very consciously.

1:23:00 Speaker 4: Wow, well, beyond all this stuff. I sat down with a top Air Force official at a point and I asked him point blank, I said, listen, this is a couple of years ago. Said I understand, we have technology the people that's one hundred years behind what the military has, or at least that's what he used to be twenty years ago.

1:23:19 Speaker 3: What are we looking at now? And he looks at me. He goes, it's beyond anything you can imagine.

1:23:23 Speaker 4: I said, wait a minute, I can imagine teleportation, I can imagine time travel, I can imagine XYZ. Are you saying the secret space program actually has validity? He looks at me and he goes, yes, it's beyond anything you can imagine.

1:23:36 Speaker 2: Well. Famously, Ben Rich the second director of Lockheed, the successor to the original Lockheed. Do we know his name? So the first director of Lockheed, second director of Lockey was Ben Rich, and he was given a great producer, you are gien, I ask you a question. He goes, I don't fucking know. Thanks guys, Thanks guys, great job.

1:24:13 Speaker 2: Any times, stay with that. I'll probably take that out. But ben Rich gave this talk and he had retired from Lockheed Skunkwirks Division, which he was ahead of, and he said, so he's doing this presentation and at the end of the presentation there's witnesses to it too. UFO like this craft, this triangular craft flies outside of the Earth's atmosphere and blasts off into this into space, and he ends the talk by saying, we now have the technology to take et home.

1:24:57 Speaker 3: Yes, I remember that.

1:24:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, So.

1:25:03 Speaker 3: They give us a little hints, and then there's the the.

1:25:08 Speaker 2: McKinnon, Gary McKinnon, the non terrestrial officers, and then they tried tooth and nail. The United States government fought tooth and nail to extradite him because he ran a Pearl script, which is essentially he's not like a hacker. He wrote a Pearl script which essentially just scans for either government, So it scans for servers for either having no password or password is the password. It's a pretty basic programming. It's a Pearl script, so it just runs itself into like so it's going into d d any any website, any it's gonna log into, try to log into everything.

1:25:54 Speaker 2: And he got into because back in the early nineties or mid nineties, like cybersecurity was very loss. So he ended up getting into like the NASA server with this Pearl scripts and then you know back you know, you guys remember or probably us three, remember when you would load a picture on AOL and it would come up and like think like it would come up with strips. Yeah, so it could dial up internet, right, So he's looking at he's like, you know, maybe he's got five minutes inside of the remote desktop.

1:26:32 Speaker 2: So he's inside. He's fucking scouring, right, and he comes across a file that says non terrestrial officers and he clicks on it, and the first picture that starts to load is this list of names that were off they were labeled non terrestrial officers and what does that say to you? And then there was the ship names and they were all ship names that weren't ships. They weren't like sea ships, they were not on record as being like it wasn't like the the Eisenhower where you can look it up and be like, okay, that's a.

1:27:12 Speaker 3: Dog, you know.

1:27:13 Speaker 2: Yeah. So then he clicks on something else and a picture starts to slowly load slowly, and it's he sees the Earth. He knows it's a planet, he doesn't know it's Earth yet, but he sees the horizon of the planet. And then this triangle craft starts to come into frame, but again it's loading like dial uploads, bing, bing bing, and he gets about halfway and then someone the mouse starts moving yep, and he's not moving it. So he knows his goose is cooked, right, and then it just the mouse moves and right as it's about to load the full thing, and it's like a movie, it clicks out.

1:27:54 Speaker 2: It disconnects, like someone disconnected it from the office, because they clearly knew they had a breach and someone had breached it. And then up until Obama, they were trying to extradite this guy from for for that, and they spent lots of money trying to get him. And then his home country. I forget if it's the UK or if it's somewhere else, but I think it's the UK. They wouldn't. They were like, it's it's it's unconstitutional because we know that you guys are going to overcharge this guy, like the punishment will not fit the crime, and we can't do that to our citizen.

1:28:40 Speaker 2: We're not going to extrade him, and that's an ally of ours saying listen, we're not doing it. So they were pissed. So if he ever sets foot on American soil, he has a warrant for his arrest. Still to this day, if he sets foot on American soil, he will be detained and he will he will go the way of snowdon if ever came back. That's crazy.

1:29:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they do. He was a kid, and he's still lucky to be where he is today. Yeah with Edward, you know.

1:29:08 Speaker 2: What I mean, he's lucky then and cuts them back to our deal to make a real fucking example of this. But this is what I mean. And this is like, because there's this big conversation about oh, whistleblowers, like we need to have one. That's like, they just need to tell us everything. That kid, that kid got into an open NASSA server almost loaded a picture and saw a non terrestrial officer, and they tried to bury him under the jail. Don't you What do you think they do to you if you come out with material inside the Legacy program?

1:29:47 Speaker 2: I have a feeling that's when you blow up in front of the Trump Tower.

1:29:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much.

1:29:52 Speaker 4: I mean there were many examples that we could go back to, especially in the eighties and the nineties, but definitely earlier in the seventies where people were coming up with certain inventions like a car that runs.

1:30:02 Speaker 2: On water, Stanley Meyer, there you go, what happened to him?

1:30:05 Speaker 3: You know? Or I used to see VHS tapes people would.

1:30:08 Speaker 4: Pass around, because back in the day, that's how you you know, get some of these villa hours.

1:30:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, there wasn't the Internet, and you.

1:30:14 Speaker 4: Know, I'm watching people create anti gravity spaces like this room and they're doing it in one way or another where they're making bowling balls float and levitate off the table. And they're doing this usually arcally, so it's through sound manipulation that they're they're doing this. But again we go back to frequency and vibration.

1:30:33 Speaker 2: Right, that's well.

1:30:36 Speaker 4: We can talk about that, but you know that being said, you know, these people would disappear or they would outright be killed, and that was what you had to keep on your head if you had anything like.

1:30:48 Speaker 3: This in those days.

1:30:50 Speaker 4: Today a little bit different, but people have access to other things. So I remember seeing memory metal before it was utilized in any sort of industry, okay, and we understood that this came from some craft or whatever and they got it right.

1:31:06 Speaker 3: I would go to have you ever.

1:31:08 Speaker 2: Seen arrow Joe? Yeah, that shit's crazy.

1:31:10 Speaker 4: It's neat, but it's really expensive. I'd love to have a chunk of it, me too. But you know, you go to conventions or you just see you know, again on the videos. Different people speaking in front of audiences and then they'd have laid out on a table all kinds of material that was not of this earth.

1:31:27 Speaker 3: And memory metal was one of.

1:31:28 Speaker 4: The first I saw back it was eighty seven or eighty eight something like that.

1:31:32 Speaker 3: I saw it on a video.

1:31:34 Speaker 4: Now we know again talking about interweaving concepts into our own practicality. Memory metal is something that everybody knows about today, and the science behind it has been broken, so we understand it.

1:31:46 Speaker 3: But this is where we got a lot of this.

1:31:48 Speaker 2: Material from it and where did it originate?

1:31:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean again, you have an inherent caution when you're walking around and talking about this stuff or if you have it in your possession.

1:31:57 Speaker 2: And do you know that from what I gather, even during the Cold War, there was some sort of deal where the United States at one point, even in the Cold War, they were allowing Russian scientists or Soviet scientists into the United States to work behind the scenes. Yep, this is things that something I've heard from several people. I can't say who, just because I'm not trying to ask anyone to trust like trust me, bro, and not anything like that, but it's just we were asked like we were asked to not talk about that, like who said that?

1:32:45 Speaker 2: But I'm sure y'all can figure it out. It's pretty easy to figure out. But yet, so there were Soviet scientists. I mean, Luigi Vntelli was on the show and like, I don't know how much you believe in the Lazaar story, but Lazar talks about how there's Soviet scientists that were inside Area fifty one at one point, and then the only reason we'd have them there is if they add something we needed. That's right, and if we had something they needed and it was a mutual benefit. But then something happened where the Americans broke through and they kicked the Russian scientists out, the Soviet scientists out.

1:33:28 Speaker 2: But it goes to show you that even during like a political like turmoil, like a public conflict, behind the scenes, there's no borderlines, Like the deep state doesn't operate with the borders that we operate with, absolutely not, And I find that interesting.

1:33:50 Speaker 4: Lets supersede everything, and then you know, again you get into the idea of a shadow government and.

1:33:54 Speaker 6: The breakaway civilization. Ultimately, well, yes, that's it's essentially what it is.

1:33:59 Speaker 4: Those people live a life that would be so foreign to us.

1:34:04 Speaker 3: It's literally like they're living on another planet. If they are not, it's inconsequential.

1:34:08 Speaker 4: But that being said, their reality is measured in the same way you look at a big time celebrity who just isn't in touch with what reality actually is, and maybe they don't have to struggle for certain things that the normal person would. So I mean there's a very deep separation between us and that faction of people living life in that way.

1:34:31 Speaker 3: And then again again, you can.

1:34:32 Speaker 4: Talk about the Secret Stations programmer, you can talk about some of the efforts that have gone into exposing that.

1:34:38 Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about just these super soldiers that say.

1:34:40 Speaker 4: I was there and I was in this unit and flew on their ship. There's a plethora of those kind of people, not to invalidate their stories, but there are others who've worked within the military factions that we are familiar with, and they say, yes, we've been doing this for a very long time.

1:34:53 Speaker 3: We have fleets out there. We're in an intergalactic war right now.

1:34:57 Speaker 2: So tell me about that. What are you Because you had said, now, this is clearly where you differ from a guy like doctor Greer, right, And I don't know, if like the Cousin brothers also like subscribe to the notion that all ets are like good.

1:35:16 Speaker 3: They have their own opinions.

1:35:17 Speaker 2: Okay, clear, you're a lot in that same camp of belief, which I think is a naive thing to think. I mean, I think Greer has something I'm not even saying.

1:35:30 Speaker 4: You know, it goes into the whole idea of what's being presented here.

1:35:34 Speaker 2: Well, it's his narrative, right, it's definitely his narrative.

1:35:36 Speaker 4: But you know, he says a lot and there's a lot that he cannot back up. And that's that's the problem. I can listen to somebody talk all day and you can tell me whatever you want. Maybe I believe some of it, maybe I won't. But the fact matter is it's all anecdotal. So yes, we do need a little bit more of that evidence to kind of convince ourselves that there's a much larger picture as we've spoken about. But you know, at the same time, it's you know, I can't I take everything with a grain of salt.

1:36:01 Speaker 3: You have to.

1:36:01 Speaker 4: And I've interviewed, you know, Montauk survivors, I've interviewed Secret Space program people. I was very good friends with James Rink. Unfortunately he passed away about a year ago. But you know, these guys all ledged that they were deeply involved in the secret space program, and they can come back and give you particulars.

1:36:19 Speaker 3: And so forth.

1:36:20 Speaker 4: Now, the thing you need to as an interviewer or somebody really researching this, keep in mind very readily is that there are going to be people that you come across that have.

1:36:31 Speaker 3: Cognitive issues that need to be addressed in one way, shape or form.

1:36:35 Speaker 4: Now I've actually seen this, I've worked with it as I've seen it unfold, and I give the utmost respect to those people because they believe what they want to believe, and I believe that they believe it. Okay, but I can see the holes in the stories. I can see the fractures, and sometimes it comes back to a trauma that's so deeply buried that they don't even realize that yet. And I get confirmation maybe a year or two later, that oh, they finally found that that's what it was.

1:37:00 Speaker 3: You know, it's fine, I totally understand it.

1:37:02 Speaker 4: I always give people a voice to express themselves. It doesn't necessarily mean that I have to believe everything you're saying. I just have to again believe that you believe it, So, you know, to get back to your question again, take everything with a grain of salt. Find the continuities between these narratives, the ones that are not directly connected between the people saying it.

1:37:22 Speaker 3: Find the continuities that seem.

1:37:23 Speaker 4: To be something more peripheral that actually do connect outside that box.

1:37:28 Speaker 3: That we're all looking at. So that's the way I look at this.

1:37:31 Speaker 4: And yes, there are many different species of what we consider extraterrestrials. Some of them are malevolent, some of them are neutral, and some of them are benevolent. Generally, the benevolent ones are our parentage where we came from.

1:37:42 Speaker 3: And there is more.

1:37:43 Speaker 4: Evidence gathered today than ever has been before that.

1:37:48 Speaker 3: We were created by extraterrestriels.

1:37:50 Speaker 4: We actually have the names of those species, and there were six or eight of them that created us interdimensionally.

1:37:55 Speaker 3: I think it was six or eight at a time.

1:37:57 Speaker 4: Right, you know, you didn't really have men and women was an androgynist sort of thing, and we were bred as the story goes to work in the minds to mind goal from the film Nephelom, and uh, you know, we didn't have sexual organs, So we didn't have the consciousness to procreate, and that was on purpose. You go into the Garden of Eden's story.

1:38:19 Speaker 3: This is a huge.

1:38:20 Speaker 4: Metaphor for something that happened between two of the nephelom that we're you know, heading this whole thing. There's a whole backstory as to why they were there and what have you. Let you know, everybody else kind of figure that out and research.

1:38:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I mean you're familiar with the one wanted to give autonomy. One wanted to keep us as like lower frequency as slaves as slaves, and you know what I mean. There's a lot of parables to like a lot of different stories, but this seems to be the Sumerian version, right, This seems to and that's the first. I mean, that's the cradle of civilization, right, it's the first civilization. And that's why I give it so much more validity because for them to have written this down, it's important that we at least are open to this idea, right absolutely, because for us writing something down is as easy as I mean, I could put my phone out of mode and it would just dictate right, right, I could that's as I could write that way, right or I just speak in it and it does it for me.

1:39:39 Speaker 2: For them, they had to heat up stone and fucking put little dashes and stuff and hope that someone would be able to decipher it one day like that story, and you know, kind of where I was going. Ultimately would would be the fact that, Okay, what I think you're onto here is, for instance, the story of all the religions, almost all of them have a flood story.

1:40:13 Speaker 2: We we need not look at the entire book or whether it's the Bible, the Korean. We need not look at the entire book as fact, but there are things that we can discern if every single one of them has it all right, sounds like there was a flood, right, They are your consistencies, you're through lines, you're these are not just metaphors. And then we look at the geological record and there's record of a flood at that time. Okay, guys, we're putting it together now. This is how we put our history together.

1:40:48 Speaker 2: First off, how the fuck are we a species that has no idea of our own origin? Like that blows my mind?

1:40:55 Speaker 4: Well, how are we just figuring all this shit out now? When historians have been looking at this kind of st for ages.

1:41:01 Speaker 2: Because they weren't doing what they said they were doing. They were never giving us our history. Our history had been written, right, it had been written by a select few who wanted our history. We can get into that a different time. But and I think that the pyramids, these these things, I think that there was a network, a global network of at one time, like maybe Atlantis, maybe if maybe that's what we're talking about. And again someone you know, you have you have Plato writing about it, but he's also hearing the story secondhand.

1:41:44 Speaker 2: So we don't know how many iterations of that story became Atlantis, right, But what it could be based on is inevitably this larger network of whatever came before the Ice Age and the your dryest impact and when civilization was essentially reset. Right.

1:42:07 Speaker 2: We just don't know, We don't know what there was, but we we seemingly have some of the structures that are here that also mirror things on the Moon and mirror things on Mars. And there's this constant pyramid, pyramidal shape that is in this architecture that is seen through celestial bodies, and like, I just can't look away from that. And there's no body has ever been found inside of a pyramid.

1:42:39 Speaker 3: No, because they weren't tombs.

1:42:41 Speaker 2: They were not tombs. I think they were, so I'm not sure if I'm ready to say that they were. Like but like the technology Tesla was onto, I think he was looking at the pyramid saying, there's something here, right, there's something here.

1:42:56 Speaker 3: He knew a lot more than he even let on, right.

1:42:58 Speaker 2: Because and then they're fine tuned to like astrological they reflect also the cosmos in the cosmology, and then the mathematical precision of them. And all over the world we see these pyramids and every continent we see them, Like, just stop bullshitting, Stop bullshitting, Like you know how this all happened. You think you're gonna tell me. They fucking rolled a block that was sixteen one hundred and sixty tons on wet sand up.

1:43:35 Speaker 4: How tall the pyramid I don't remember the exact figure, but it's tall.

1:43:39 Speaker 2: It's fucking gigantic, you're telling me. And they would have the timeline they propose is twenty years. Yeah, they built in. They would have had to place a block every minute at that rate. To stop acting like we're fucking stupid.

1:43:55 Speaker 4: Well, there was a book I forget who wrote it, But it was entitled nothing in this book is true, but it's exactly the way things are. And the author asserted that the pyramids were built from the top down in three days.

1:44:07 Speaker 3: Chew on that one for a second.

1:44:11 Speaker 4: Let's talk about down. Let's talk about coral castle. Okay, Edward Scodalden, I'm gonna I'm not saying his last name, right, Luxury short. There's a coral castle that was built by one man down in Homestead, Florida. You can go and visit it today. But it's precision craftsmanship. And he was moving blocks that weigh tons and tons and tons by himself. Nobody knew how he was doing it. In fact, when kids would get curious to kind of get closer to his property to be looking up over the ledge, it'd see him with you know, the lever and Pulley's.

1:44:44 Speaker 4: But as soon as they started looking at him, regardless if he was facing the other way, he would just stop.

1:44:48 Speaker 3: Working and stand there until they left.

1:44:50 Speaker 4: So somehow he knew when he was being watched, and every time people would ask him, they press them, well, how'd you make this?

1:44:57 Speaker 3: How are you doing this?

1:44:58 Speaker 4: Eventually the only thing he said was I figured out how they built the pyramids in Egypt, and he wrote an entire book on electromagnetism that he used his own notation and systems for.

1:45:11 Speaker 3: I've read it. I have it at my house. It's very interesting.

1:45:14 Speaker 4: I don't know how practical it is, but it is interesting to see how his mind worked us a little bit. He must have discovered something that we are not aware of. But that's what he said. I discovered how they built the pyramids in Egypt.

1:45:24 Speaker 2: And that's a very ominous Yeah.

1:45:27 Speaker 3: Wow, he never really said anything.

1:45:30 Speaker 2: Heything.

1:45:31 Speaker 3: He took it with him to his grave. But he spent his entire life building this castle.

1:45:35 Speaker 2: Huh.

1:45:36 Speaker 4: And the reason for it all started when, yeah, he immigrated from somewhere over in Europe. He had a sweetheart that was supposed to marry him and didn't, so when she left him, he came to America.

1:45:46 Speaker 3: And that's what he did. He built that castle of his sweetheart.

1:45:50 Speaker 6: That he never had poetic it's a it's an interesting story, geez.

1:45:59 Speaker 2: Jeez. One of the things I've talked about on the show before is this idea of sound, light and frequency right the keys to the universe is what I think, And do you think that potentially our ancestors and you know, whoever did build the pyramids, do you think that they may have had it and there may be this technology out there that it's not like this like this is what we consider technology and like the microphone, the cameras, this is technology to us. But technology is actually i'll put the definition on screen right now, mark the timestamp.

1:46:40 Speaker 2: But technology is there's the broader definition of it is it's something that essentially solves a like solves a problem for you through means of So what I'm getting to is, because I don't know the definition of the top mad, I'll just put it on the screen. But do you think they had a technology that it's just different than what we consider technology, something that where they were either either able to do through chants and drums and like frequency lift these stones, because it seems like that would be the only possibility but the only thing that fits aside from maybe having giants picking them up and putting them in, you would need to have some sort of levitation technique.

1:47:36 Speaker 2: And it sounds like that's the technology that essentially was able to fit those blocks so perfectly. Is like this idea of being able to manipulate. I mean, it sounds like sorcery, but that's also technology. Yeah, yeah, and that's how they did it. Do you think that's potentially.

1:47:58 Speaker 3: Well, we'll think. But this way, who discovered electricity?

1:48:02 Speaker 2: Isaac No? Uh? And it's no, no, no, who discovered electricity?

1:48:11 Speaker 3: Who's credited for discovering electricity?

1:48:13 Speaker 2: Is it Ben Franklin? Yeah? The kite? Kay, I don't know why is that? Isaac Newton? Gravity?

1:48:23 Speaker 3: They're using, you know, certain things.

1:48:26 Speaker 4: So in our modern days, that's what we're taught when we go to school, that electricity was born into awareness with Benjamin Franklin.

1:48:32 Speaker 3: Prior to that, nobody had electricity. That's not true. Look at the bag Dad battery.

1:48:36 Speaker 4: It got electricity too, but they used a chemical way to do it instead of the way that we're using. It's still the same fucking product. Yes, it's the exact same result, but it's achieved differently. And I believe that a lot of these civilizations, ancient civilizations, had the same technology or at least in result of okay, that we have today, but they just went about it a different way. And the methodology that they use is lost of time. The majority of it is lost of time. Now we can talk about certain places that allegedly do have a world history, a complete world history of this Earth.

1:49:12 Speaker 4: And you know, you talk about the room that's supposedly under the sphinx of you know, Giza, where it's underneath the right paw.

1:49:20 Speaker 3: I believe, yeah, if.

1:49:22 Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, I do believe somebody has been in there. And there was a specific time that this door would be able to be opened. I mean, there was something very magical about, you know, the way this was opened, like an incantation. You had to be able to say, I don't know what it was, it's exactly you know, obviously derived you know, in certain ways. But there were several of these deposits, if you will, throughout the planet, and only the very specific people were meant to find these at specific times.

1:49:55 Speaker 4: In our evolution from the Montauk Project, we understand that Mars also has its own cavernous areas within that celestial body that housed the history of that planet as well. And what you know, some of these guys were doing in the Montark project was actually visiting Mars through their technology that they were using and going into these different spaces to learn about the history of Mars specifically. Now, keep in mind, every single civilization that has ever been has a reverence from Mars. Okay, not the Moon, although you see that too.

1:50:28 Speaker 4: It's Mars. Cairo in Egypt means Mars okay, when when Pangaea was around. There is a possibility. Again, this needs to be verified a little bit further, but there is a possibility, and it's been proposed that the same land that is now Egypt was also Long Island. And there are only two pharaohs that have ever been recorded in Egypt and Long Island. Now you start seeing some of the content nuities between Egypt, Mars, and Montalk and you start asking a lot more questions.

1:51:06 Speaker 2: Hmm. With mon talk in the dramatization of it, with stranger things, they talk about an inter dimensional riff that is opened subsequently by the actions of what they're doing. And these beings come from, you know, in what the dramatization of it is is. You know, they come from the upside down. But this limbo, which I don't want to spoil the show if anyone hasn't watched it, I wasn't too happy with how they explained it the upside down. But whatever, Einstein rosen Bridges and whatever you know they wanted to call it.

1:51:59 Speaker 2: But is this part of the story accurate where something comes through a dimensional rift or do you think this is part of that cognitive dissonance.

1:52:11 Speaker 4: Well, what the brothers did when they created this is they merged a lot of the concepts that came out of Montalk and they made sort of their own entity out of it. So you're gonna see things that are reminiscent of the actual program, and then you're gonna see a lot of imagination in between us. And of course that's the continuity that they needed to create the show. That's all fine, and well, what we do know is that the downfall of the Montalk project happened because it was subverted on purpose.

1:52:44 Speaker 4: And this was, you know, an idea allegedly between Preston Duncan and al So Duncan being the chief psychic, he was the one usually sitting in the chair and they programmed him in secret to have a key phrase which would ignite something very devastating for the entire base. And that phrase was the time is now is actually at the title of my second doc documentary on Montauk and what happened the time is now.

1:53:14 Speaker 3: Okay.

1:53:15 Speaker 4: So once this is whispered in Duncan's ear when he was in meditation in that chair. The idea was in the deepest recesses of his being, the darkest part of him, he would bring to manifestation and it would The idea was that this energy would form underground and smash everything in the base. Well, it did appear, but it appeared above ground and started smashing everything on the base, killing people, smashing buildings. You can actually see old photographs of these, like utility shacks that looked like a hand came down smashed them.

1:53:47 Speaker 4: There's splayed like a force came from above. Because they named this energy Junior, because it was a shadow being of sort. Some people described it as eight to fifteen feet tall, okay, and they're actually photos of this thing walking around Campiro when it was on its rampage. Okay. When this occurred, the entire system went down. Everybody vacated within a day. There was not a soul left on the base. In fact, they sent green berets in there to shoot anything that moved after the fact, so they went in there and they swept okay.

1:54:21 Speaker 3: All through the underground. Right, Junior's still there. He's still at Camp Heiro.

1:54:27 Speaker 4: I've felt the presence standing in the places I've seen where he was in the pictures.

1:54:31 Speaker 3: He's still there. If you film, you might catch him. He's very static.

1:54:35 Speaker 4: He doesn't move, He'll just be standing one place, but he's there. You can't put him back. It was a product of Duncan's subconscious mind. And Duncan's no longer with us, So that creature pulled out of whatever Duncan manifested is always going.

1:54:50 Speaker 3: To be in that location.

1:54:52 Speaker 2: Tea. They do it.

1:54:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, So to kind of answer your question of you know, stranger things, you know, is the way that we could open up and the creatures come out?

1:54:59 Speaker 3: There's the idea.

1:55:00 Speaker 4: And yes they were doing this, I mean because a lot of these kids were being pushed into wormholes to see if they come back. Sometimes they did, sometimes it didn't. Sometimes they were caught captured and there was a ransom. Maybe they were brought back, maybe they weren't.

1:55:13 Speaker 3: Uh, but got it.

1:55:14 Speaker 2: You gotta think is that what hell was you know, inspired by like if our if if someone had been dealing with that prior to montac which I kind of think probably, you know, if if beings are catching people that are thrown down wormholes into the abyss and then some beings holding a ransom on you.

1:55:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, they'd ask, uh, you know, we want this technology that you're using to do what you're doing, so give that to us and we'll give you back the kid.

1:55:55 Speaker 2: Right.

1:55:56 Speaker 3: Sometimes the wager was good, sometimes it wasn't. So they were like, you can keep you can keep them, and god knows what would happen. I mean, there were people that what.

1:56:04 Speaker 2: Is the connection? I'm sorry, God, no, no, no, because I'm gonna take you to a left.

1:56:09 Speaker 4: Lung story short, there were kids that would go in there and they'd get lost, so they'd find themselves just drifting and avoid somewhere with no return. So they're interdimensional at that point, and somehow they've brought their body. I mean, we can talk about how that works, because there have been people who transcend this reality that we have notated in history. They do it a different way, but you know, they could get stuck down a quarter in this this time traveling adventure, never to find that zero point again and never be able to come back this way.

1:56:39 Speaker 4: There are a lot of souls that are still stuck at Camp Hero because they're they're kind of in between and they don't know what they're doing. So what I'd like to do going forward with the people that I work with is come and try to release some of those souls that want to go.

1:56:52 Speaker 2: How would you do that?

1:56:54 Speaker 4: So I have done this before, but it's not something that I through mediumship. Yeah, that I look towards personally, but I have people who that that's what their vocation is, that's what they do. They go to these places and they release those souls, and a lot of times they'll bring equipment along to kind of verify that this is happening. So, for example, somebody will walk into a location say all right, if you're here and you want to move forward, come over to my device and say my name. Next thing, you know, you hear Thomas Thomas, Thomas Thomas, all these different voices coming out of the boys box, you know what I mean.

1:57:29 Speaker 4: And once they're there, you can feel them too. When you're in that environment, you can feel him. It's unmistakable. But long story short, he'll do his process. Next thing, you know, the air just clears and they're gone.

1:57:43 Speaker 2: Maybe we can and the reason I'm flipping the camera is maybe we could send Uh so my producers literally wearing. He showed up today in a can you tell us a little bit more?

1:58:02 Speaker 3: Oh that's about it.

1:58:05 Speaker 2: You you came here to banish a ghost.

1:58:09 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah you.

1:58:10 Speaker 3: Ty has a hass been discussed that.

1:58:13 Speaker 7: Ty has a a entity problem here.

1:58:16 Speaker 8: I think the one night Needle came, I was certainly attacked.

1:58:19 Speaker 7: Yes, knocked me out for two hours, like perfectly fine, picked veto up friend of ours brought him here. As he tells the story, it's like we walked upstairs.

1:58:30 Speaker 8: I turned gray, and then I'm like, I'm gonna lay down, and I went to lay down, and as he and Ty take their episode, the dog was walking on his back, standing up on his back legs, walking h towards this way.

1:58:45 Speaker 7: And then last night Vito challenged it.

1:58:50 Speaker 8: Online as we were live and something passed.

1:58:58 Speaker 2: I'll show him the video. Yeah, I'll put the Yeah, I'll put the video on. I'll put the video on the screen right now. But okay, so essentially what happened last night we were doing a live show about the President commuting the NDAs for people for whistleblowers, and so our buddy that was on the show, he like puts out this like challenge. But by the way, I had headphones on. Nothing there was no words that could be heard in here, like it was all coming through my headphones.

1:59:42 Speaker 3: And.

1:59:45 Speaker 2: He said start. He mentions like make the lights flicker or something, and then like it's hard to believe, but I'll even time stamp the actual clip that I'm gonna put up because it goes through the whole scenario of him challenging it and then it actually happening but behind me.

2:00:08 Speaker 2: So sorry, mate, So just just rewind that and watch it through, because essentially what happens is the light right there starts to go in and out, and I felt something behind me because my chair is right there, and I feel something behind me. So I look behind me, and no one had noticed. By this time, no one knew that it was the no you see the light. Yeah, so we have no idea what it is.

2:00:43 Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you coming upstairs as we were getting ready to do what we're doing. Now, you know, he had mentioned a little bit of the story, and so I come in here with my feelers on.

2:00:54 Speaker 3: I don't feel anything in here. It doesn't mean that there's not anything in here right now. There might be, but generally if there's something really.

2:01:00 Speaker 2: Heavy because the archbishopshire something bad.

2:01:02 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna feel that coming in. But maybe you did excel it in some way.

2:01:07 Speaker 2: Well, we've had other people here that because like I was actually saying in the clip, the full clip, I was actually saying how it's been pretty dormant, like things have calmed down ever since we brought some people in and did this aging and because we did all that, But as soon as Veto challenged it, all of a sudden, I'm like, what the hell, what's behind me? Yeah? And then it just again. I came up here again this morning and it's light again. It as it's weird. It's weird. But we had one of the guys that used to live in the other apartment down there.

2:01:48 Speaker 2: He said that this whole he's like, this whole house is it's like a bus stop with people things going in and out. So that's how he described it. No, I haven't, but

2:02:06 Speaker 2: so sorry for that cutaway, guys, but I thought that was funny. Have you what are this species like? Because doctor Eric Davis is you know, famously eating salad and telling uh the world of Congress that there is like six to eight species. Any you know, reptilians, grays, what are the what are the what's going on with this galactic war? Because guys like high they should have talked about this galactic federation. Right, So he's the equivalent of like this NASA director, But the Israeli Space Force is

2:03:00 Speaker 2: you know, more in tune with their military just because that's how they run their stuff, and right, everyone serves everyone all that, Right, So he's like the equivalent of the NASA director, but also like kind of like the Space Force, like rep Communion whatever. High Messait says that there's a galact de federation. Other people have said this before. We talk about the space program, secret space program, all of this stuff being said, you had mentioned that there's this cosmic conflict.

2:03:34 Speaker 4: Tell me more so as far as I understand, and I wish Ashid had said more than what he has.

2:03:40 Speaker 2: Well, he just recently reappeared.

2:03:42 Speaker 4: I I haven't seen anything he's done recently. But you know, when he first made that statement, it was winded and we needed a little bit more than that, but it was still a glimpse into, you know, obviously something we can talk about today. So what I'm going to say is than anything I know about this I've learned from other sources. I have not had any experiences myself. I've had Secret Space Program participants come up to me and say, I remember you from this fucking program.

2:04:08 Speaker 3: I remember you from there, And I don't remember any of that.

2:04:11 Speaker 4: So maybe that is possible that there were a handful of us that really did participate in the Secret Space Program and we just don't recall it, or we're doing it now. I don't know, there's a possibility that that is something to look at. But apparently this galactic war or whatever's going on is really a conflict with the Draconian species.

2:04:32 Speaker 3: And what's the other one, the Draco's and I'll think of the other one.

2:04:39 Speaker 4: It's another malevolent species that at any chance, has tried to take over the planet. Now there are measures that won't allow them to take over the planet. I think the last time they tried was nineteen ninety two.

2:04:55 Speaker 3: I want to say maybe it was a little bit earlier.

2:04:56 Speaker 4: Then there's a whole story on how we got rid of them and whatever luxury short. I'm not sure the actual aim or the intention other than just to take back a planet, you know, because this isn't our planet.

2:05:11 Speaker 3: We don't own it.

2:05:13 Speaker 4: Yes, we seem like we've originated here as far as we can tell, and yes we do have you know, obviously certain minerals and so forth that we share with the Earth because we were made out of those minerals, right initially.

2:05:24 Speaker 2: But also everything in the universe is yes.

2:05:26 Speaker 4: I mean, God, we can find some of the same elements that we have in our bodies in commons, yeah, I mean, or meteors.

2:05:32 Speaker 2: Like hydrogen, like these are common things, yes.

2:05:35 Speaker 3: Very much so.

2:05:36 Speaker 4: Right, But again, you have to have some sort of architecture to put anything together. You have to have material in order to create something, So you grab whatever you can from the environment.

2:05:44 Speaker 3: And this is why we went the mammalian route.

2:05:45 Speaker 4: So they took DNA from you know, let's say an ape, and they instill that in us. If they had taken it from an insect, we could look insectoid or we could look like any fair enough, And that's why these different species look different and you know, resemble lizards or insects or spiders or whatever the case may be.

2:06:04 Speaker 3: That's the only difference.

2:06:08 Speaker 4: So you know, when you want to talk about how many species are out there, this is very subjective. I think it sits in the realm of conjecture. Conjecture specifically, but a lot of what we find in like ancient texts and you talk about Samerians and so forth, we find that there's again maybe six or eight that actually created us, and then upwards of maybe twenty that we have contact with. It might be a little less than that, but that's, you know, the roundabout number that I've been given.

2:06:38 Speaker 3: But then you talk.

2:06:39 Speaker 4: About the Nazis, and there's this whole idea that Nazis went into space and that they're a big catalyst for the violence and whatever.

2:06:46 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.

2:06:47 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm very open minded when it comes to this stuff. I just need more from it. But when I start hearing these upper level officers talking dead straight pan face about yes, we're doing this.

2:07:03 Speaker 3: This has been happening.

2:07:04 Speaker 4: Here are some of the species, and yes, we have entire fleets of you know, these vessels that are out there, they are cloaked. Sometimes they're not cloaked because you know, eighty percent of what we see in the sky is ours. Yeah, including the TR three B, which I've seen in person as many people have had that experience, and the other twenty percent I've been told is actually an extraterrestrial something off world the way we would define it. But we only see them because there's maybe a malfunction in that that cloaking or somebody made an error at that moment.

2:07:34 Speaker 4: Because they can still make mistakes too. It's not like they're angels and perfect or whatever the case may be. They're not this celestial being that you know doesn't still have a physical experience in some way.

2:07:45 Speaker 3: Shape or form.

2:07:45 Speaker 2: Right, problems happen, yes.

2:07:48 Speaker 3: Like ubiquitous across any species, you know what I mean.

2:07:50 Speaker 2: Right, You could argue, like what do you think these crashes are? Do you think that potentially we're bringing them down and then like letting everyone believe it's a crash.

2:08:04 Speaker 3: Sometimes it's that's exactly the case.

2:08:06 Speaker 2: We're shooting them down with like directed energy weapons, which are have just been confirmed as a reality, and guys like Eric Hecker who have been getting ship for a long time have been saying this that there are directed energy weapons out there and that we we have them and that we're actively using them. Not Havana syndrome is from Yeah, it's that's that's like a consequence of being targeted.

2:08:36 Speaker 3: And it's just an example of what you're talking.

2:08:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a smaller version of example. Yeah. So there's this idea of using directed energy weapons to bring these craft down and also like psionic assets that like will attempt to re establish control of the actual craft so that it will crash with the least amount. So like you take the driver out and then you try to hijack the actual craft for a minimal damage crash crash landing, right, because that's all landing is anyway, it's just controlled crash, right, So they try to That's at least what's going around now.

2:09:19 Speaker 2: I find it weird that like the very nuts and Bolts people like that started Nuts and Bolts, like Ross cool Tart and all these guys, they now all sound like doctor career and Fox News sounds like Coast to coast.

2:09:35 Speaker 3: Right, It was interesting to see that development.

2:09:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's like this new dichotomy that's like birth, this new industry been birth. But with that becomes this pursuit This, as Gene famous for me famously said, is this idea of the monetization of the pursuit of truth. So with just as much awesome stuff that we get to like talk about now, and like the conversation is opening up, we also have to be just like even more guarded for people coming in and being charlatans.

2:10:14 Speaker 4: Absolutely, because if you're hungry for that type of knowledge and information, as soon as it starts rolling out and becomes more of an accepted narrative, I mean, people are latching onto it but not doing the homework to you know, identify what's more truth and what's not. I see this happen all the time. Somebody online will come up with some idea. It's usually a theory. They speak about it as fact. A whole bunch of people look at and go, oh, that's a fact, And next thing you know, you have an entire community believing something that was contrived because nobody wants to do the homework to actually verify what's being said.

2:10:45 Speaker 4: They'll just look at the person and say, Okay, that sounds good, that sounds right, or I just believe that you know.

2:10:50 Speaker 3: So again, keeping critical thinking.

2:10:53 Speaker 2: And you pull that in.

2:10:54 Speaker 5: Yep.

2:10:55 Speaker 4: Sorry, Having critical thinking and analysis at your helm is the best thing that you can do for yourself in uncovering what truth we need to know now, because they're going to be falsities They're going to be misdirections that are given to us on purpose to continue to lead us astray and give them a little bit more time before the actual truth does eventually come out. Now, when we were going up, I don't know exactly how old you are, but I have feeling you're probably.

2:11:18 Speaker 3: Close to my age.

2:11:19 Speaker 4: Thirty three thirty three ll right, I'm forty four, so round about Okay. You couldn't watch any television program and have them say a cuss word like say hew or damn. Like remember when Beavis and Butt it came out. Yeah, you know that was a big deal because they were using softer curse words and so forth, but they.

2:11:36 Speaker 3: Were not kind of working into it. Today.

2:11:40 Speaker 4: I could be on Facebook and I see a commercial for like Rise Mushroom coffee. They're dropping every f bomb that they can think of in there. I'm like, what the fuck changed that all of this is now accepted? You know again, going back to my thought on YouTube, you know, where I was still getting my news from the newspaper or going you know, on the television, watching the keeping news. Nope, people all went into this other platform and now they're digesting it the way they want to.

2:12:05 Speaker 3: When they want to and how they want to.

2:12:07 Speaker 2: So you're not even getting the news now, you're getting your news.

2:12:10 Speaker 3: You're getting your news.

2:12:11 Speaker 2: It's tailored to you. And that's scary and control mechanism.

2:12:16 Speaker 3: It very much is.

2:12:17 Speaker 4: And there are some people who are aware of this and other people who just don't care and are more than happy to just go about their lives and allow this to unfold.

2:12:25 Speaker 3: Uh.

2:12:25 Speaker 4: You know, complicity in this case could get us killed as as an entire species complacency, sorry, complacency, but you know that being said, you know I can open up my feed now and you know that the top headline is going to be about the congressional hearings on UFOs, and they're going to be reporters that are digging deeper into this and bringing out more to contemplate into the public eye than you know, people would normally go and look for on their own. So something's happening here where again, And you and I can sit and have this conversation and I don't have to worry about, you know, losing my job tomorrow, or being disowned by family members or whatever the case may be, losing friends.

2:13:09 Speaker 3: And this isn't just you and I. This is everybody.

2:13:11 Speaker 4: So you're gonna have people come out say, well, I had an experienced sixty years ago. I never sold I never told anybody about because I feel safe to do it now everybody's talking about this shit.

2:13:20 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:13:20 Speaker 3: So, but again, with that.

2:13:24 Speaker 4: Flood of information that is being bestowed upon us at this time, like you said, it's it's important to be that much more guarded. And again I would just add that you have to do your research to verify what people are saying before you take complete stock in it.

2:13:39 Speaker 2: Again, rolling back as we wrap up, rolling back to what we originally kind of talked about, and I would love to have you back again. Man, you're such a person that, like I could just riff with, Oh absolutely, you're hours. Oh yeah, yeah, you're amazing. So rolling back says I, do you have like direct apprehension they're willing to just hear it and not go looking for there. They're not going to open the window and see that it's raining for themselves. They're just going to take your word that it's raining.

2:14:13 Speaker 2: Right, That's what we're getting in complacency in that regard when it comes to these very very existential threats to our civilization like AI and this, like, we have to be on the ball, we have to be united, we have to be like we're consistently putting ourselves in these boxes black, white, gay all. But it's like based on our sexuality, our gender, are, our skin color, our religious beliefs, like we love to just sequester ourselves into these boxes.

2:14:56 Speaker 3: And honestly, I don't know why people give a fuck me.

2:15:00 Speaker 2: I don't either, do I because nothing a united humanity could not do, right, It's the Tower of Babble. When we got too close, we're struck down and separated, right, And I think that's one of our problems, is whether that's allegory or you know, or or parable or you know or metaphor. The theme of it makes total sense, you know, a united human race. The sky's the limit, right, there's nothing we couldn't achieve. But while we're pointing the finger at you and I or each other, we're too busy fighting and infighting.

2:15:50 Speaker 2: And it happens. You see it in the Star Wars community right, like to that level. You see these factions in a Fox community. There's these factions. Shit, there's people in the paranormal world that don't like the UFO people and it's like, guys, what the fuck are we doing too much?

2:16:10 Speaker 4: You know, I've seen more drama in the paranormal world recently than I ever would have imagined I would ever come across. I'm out of it. I have nothing to do with it. But I know the people that are involved or have been involved in one way or another. And this person's angry at that person and that bah blah, bah blah blah.

2:16:25 Speaker 3: It goes back. It's so petty. It's so petty.

2:16:27 Speaker 4: At the very end of the day, what are we all doing. We're all doing the same thing. Just get in line, be united the way you're saying. It makes more sense to you know, further our field of research and intellect to be united in this sense. Look, we don't all have to have the same opinion. That's not what it's about. It's just take care of each other the way that you would take care of yourself.

2:16:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you disagree, shake hands at the end of the day and say, you know what, I respect that you have that opinion. Unfortunately I don't, but I'm glad we had, you know. It's it's it's now gotten to this point where it's like if you're if you're not with me, you're my enemy.

2:17:09 Speaker 3: You're against me.

2:17:12 Speaker 2: With such the wrong mentality, you know, And like I liken it to like the way I grew up, and probably the way you grew up, and probably the way Jean grew up.

2:17:21 Speaker 3: Where it was.

2:17:22 Speaker 2: That that saying came, it was like it takes a village, right. I used to be able to walk into a neighbor's house,

2:17:31 Speaker 2: the mom be cooking dinner. I'd walk in, walk right up the stairs, bad an eye right, Hey, diy, what's going on? Even with us? Like stuff like that. It took a village. Now you don't know your neighbors. No one knows their neighbors because we're scared of we're scared of each other. Now we're scared because we don't we don't want conflict, and we don't we we naturally are default setting is that there could be conflicts. So I'm just gonna avoid it at all costs. Right, So we've been conditioned, and it's and I've seen it.

2:18:10 Speaker 2: You saw it start with like nine to eleven. And then with with the flu. We can't say the word because we'll get to monetize.

2:18:20 Speaker 4: But with the flu, make sure you take that I said it earlier to make sure you take that.

2:18:24 Speaker 2: Did you say it?

2:18:25 Speaker 4: I did, as I was referring to a time. This is early in the interview, so it's probably within the first like twenty minutes.

2:18:31 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll I'll get it. Where they tighten the grip, the tighten the vices, and now you're seeing these flock cameras pop up everywhere. Yes, right, and this is a level of digital surveillance now that's unhithered. It's it's never been seen before. And I'm sorry it has been seen before in fucking China.

2:18:53 Speaker 3: Well that's a different story, yes, right.

2:18:55 Speaker 2: In China where they have a social fucking credit school and if you bad mount the government, they lock your money and you can't leave the country and you might go missing in an alley. Right, come on, guys, are we gonna let ourselves go down this road? Because if we do, and if we can become complacent. And I don't mean to make this political, but there is a roundabout way people voices independent voices like yours. What you're doing where you're putting films out, you're putting this independent like the core message to like a lot of what we are talking about is like you said, disclosure will come from within.

2:19:41 Speaker 2: Some it's okay to look out and look up and wonder what's out there, but you also have to look in.

2:19:50 Speaker 3: Well. People don't realize.

2:19:51 Speaker 4: Not to cut you off, but just no, you're not going well, you're out. Your exterior world is a reflection of your inner world. And yeah, we share common experiences, and you know, we have consensus about certain things. This is a desk that's a dog, but there's still a reflection dog. There's a manifestation of this reality coming from you, happening in real time, and everybody's doing it. And we're collectively creating this reality together as well. So there's an individual creation and there's a collective creation.

2:20:22 Speaker 4: Before we run out of time, there is something I wanted to show you.

2:20:27 Speaker 4: How are your what are your thoughts on?

2:20:30 Speaker 3: What's the word? Not simatics? What the hell is it? Psionics?

2:20:37 Speaker 4: No, not psionics where you're holding an object in your hand.

2:20:44 Speaker 4: It's something with anyway, what was it spoon bending? I don't see erry Yella here, but anyway, I'll think of the word. I just had it on my tongue and anyway, yes, thank you. I think that's what I'm looking for right there.

2:21:01 Speaker 2: Oh my god, are you about to demonstrate?

2:21:03 Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm actually gonna give you something to hold.

2:21:06 Speaker 2: Oh shit, all right? Should we go tight for this? H What is this?

2:21:14 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna tell you yet. You just feel it and tell me if you get anything off of it.

2:21:20 Speaker 2: Just feel it.

2:21:21 Speaker 4: This hole in your hand. Do you get anything off of it? Does it get warm? Do you feel weird in your chest? Do you get any buzziness in your head?

2:21:27 Speaker 3: Anything like that? Com dying? I can't think of that fucking word psychometry right there?

2:21:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you got? It's like this. I can't quite explain it. It's like a vibration, but it's like in my head and I can feel like reverberating through my It's like give it's almost like lightheadedness.

2:22:22 Speaker 3: What is that in your hand?

2:22:24 Speaker 2: What the fuck is it?

2:22:26 Speaker 4: You hold material that ran every frequency used in the Montalk project. That's from the Sage radar tower. There are people I've given this to who cannot hold it. There are people that have held it who have pacemakers, and the pacemakers starts going nuts because their heart rate is skyrocketing, and the pacemaker's trying to bring it back down. They put it down, it stops immediately, they pick it up, it begins again. When I was doing the second documentary on Montalk, I wanted to have a segment where I'd have a psychic come in in a psychotronic sense, hold this, and I would record the segment the way I just did with you, Okay, not initially telling them what it was.

2:23:03 Speaker 4: I sent out emails, I made phone calls, spoke about twenty different clairvoyants. Every single one of them declined to have anything to do with that piece, and in most cases they would remote you at first, and then they start cussing me out, asking me why I ever had the audacity to bring this object so close to them in one way or another. I only had one person who eventually agreed to do it, and I didn't follow up on it. I could still do it today, But that being said, that's how powerful this shit is.

2:23:28 Speaker 2: I'm like very lightheaded right now.

2:23:31 Speaker 3: I want to try it.

2:23:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like very lightheaded right now, and like like it's almost like I'm seeing an HD.

2:23:43 Speaker 3: People have these experiences that you're reporting right now.

2:23:46 Speaker 2: This is fucking incredible. Wait wait wait wait wait wait yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought that my head right away.

2:24:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's not do that, you know what. You know what's funny.

2:24:05 Speaker 9: As soon as I touched this part here, it's very warm and I feel a chill.

2:24:10 Speaker 1: Like up the back.

2:24:13 Speaker 2: I like immediately got like this, like I don't want to spoil your It's like I'm seeing an HD right now.

2:24:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a tingling.

2:24:27 Speaker 2: Close your eyes and like just feel.

2:24:30 Speaker 9: I'm telling you that's why I grabbed you know, I just took it. I put it in my hand and I and I'm holding this part here and holding this part this lower this lower right party.

2:24:45 Speaker 2: It's fucking like this is the most Yeah, sit with it for a few minutes because all because the longer I sat with it, the more comfortable the feeling became. And now it's like a clearheadedness where I'm like, I'm like a I'm seeing in like a clarity I haven't had before.

2:25:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what happens.

2:25:07 Speaker 2: I've been gripping it pretty tight, and it's I've got this like crowned feeling where it's like something's at the top of my head right now.

2:25:15 Speaker 3: Opens the.

2:25:17 Speaker 2: Chakra, crown chakra.

2:25:19 Speaker 4: That's how they would actually extract your soul and the case is fucking wild. It open that crown chakra, and the way they do it, I'm gonna let your audience use their imagination because it's a horrific way to do it.

2:25:31 Speaker 3: But let me just put it this way.

2:25:32 Speaker 4: When you have an orgasm, all your chakras open, so again we're talking about kids here, open chakras.

2:25:43 Speaker 3: I'll leave you with that.

2:25:45 Speaker 4: And the person who was in charge of that, Preston Nichols, made no qualms about the fact that he had to do it.

2:25:50 Speaker 3: Now did he like it? We don't really know.

2:25:53 Speaker 4: Okay, there might be that aspect of that personality that enjoyed that kind of ship.

2:26:00 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:26:00 Speaker 2: Right.

2:26:00 Speaker 8: So now I'm sitting here with my eyes closed, right and literally it's like I can see Dahn on a tunnel and all of the it's like, uh, like red waves, Like I'm moving through a tunnel and there's like red waves, like it's just.

2:26:19 Speaker 7: Strict red lines.

2:26:22 Speaker 5: And I've got a ringing in my left ear.

2:26:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got like a and then this that's like nothing I've ever experienced before.

2:26:36 Speaker 4: And I'm very fortunate to add these pieces because I went back a following year to you know, gather a few more up just for a collection, and because I've given some away, uh to certain people, and you can't find these pieces. Yes, the tower is still decaying, the radar itself is decaying, but it's like the earth has just.

2:26:52 Speaker 3: Swallowed them up in a year.

2:26:57 Speaker 1: I want my LEAs.

2:26:59 Speaker 4: I may have a at home that I can send to you. I just have to go back at in my studio and take a peek.

2:27:04 Speaker 3: I may have one, though I'll pay for it now you won't. It'll be a gift. This is like, this is.

2:27:13 Speaker 2: Because I just never felt something.

2:27:15 Speaker 3: Like that before. So this is a lot of this is done underground too.

2:27:19 Speaker 4: So you're talking about walking through a dark corridor or a tunnel like that.

2:27:23 Speaker 3: That's the majority of where this stuff happened.

2:27:25 Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, it was like there's a distance, there's a you know, dark It's kind.

2:27:30 Speaker 4: Of reminds me like a yeah, Well, I wanted to make some jewelry out of it, and I'm like, well, nobody can wear it, so never mind.

2:27:37 Speaker 7: But I'm you know, I mean, I can't.

2:27:40 Speaker 8: I want to have you do it, but I'm telling I hold it here like this, it's war.

2:27:48 Speaker 3: I do it here.

2:27:49 Speaker 8: It feels like the rest of them mouth.

2:27:52 Speaker 4: Keep in mind, this particular material was used in time travel experiment, so this has not just a physical component, but it exists on many different levels that are more tangible because of the experiments that it was used.

2:28:05 Speaker 2: One hand feels. Man, I've had I've had some pretty uh jarring experiences the past two days. I'm having an existential crisis right now. I'm having a pretty existential I've had two things happened to me in the past two days. I cannot understand and I can't explain. I don't know why, because now that it's out of my hand, it's almost like I'm reverting back.

2:28:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll realign to what you're.

2:28:35 Speaker 8: It's so like I got a PRIs here right my hands or the palms are warm, but this is cool.

2:28:45 Speaker 3: Yep. I can't tell you why that is, but I've had other people feel the same thing you are. I can't and this is why I brought it.

2:28:55 Speaker 2: I can't explain it. I can't explain that.

2:28:59 Speaker 4: Well, it's not every day going to hold a bit of material like that, and we're talking years in years of that research.

2:29:04 Speaker 2: It's got a residual, it's got a residuals did you get it. Yeah, Oh my god.

2:29:16 Speaker 3: And it's cool. It's cool.

2:29:20 Speaker 4: I've never almost like this whole life, like there's there's some kind of energy.

2:29:25 Speaker 2: That thank you for doing that.

2:29:27 Speaker 3: Oh my pleasure.

2:29:28 Speaker 2: Man. That was That's a wild moment of podcast history. Again, going through in this studio, it was like does That's the probably one of the craziest things I've ever experienced from a guest. I'm glad that. I'm glad that I won that with that was insane.

2:29:41 Speaker 3: I almost walked out. I'm like, oh no, I gotta bring this.

2:29:43 Speaker 2: I saw a yellow bag, come on. I go over there, and then he goes, I hold this, and I go, oh right, all right?

2:29:51 Speaker 3: Right?

2:29:52 Speaker 2: That was that was. I don't know how that's going to translate on camera, but I hope you know that. I again, that ship is where I kind of draw the line. I have a hard time with it. But as soon as that, because I had it gripped for quite a while and then this like vibration came up and it was like I was like flickering, like like my you know, like that internal picture in your head. It started flickering and then boom like I was HD. As soon as I adjusted to it. It was like the room became hd.

2:30:29 Speaker 5: It was literally like like a power charge.

2:30:34 Speaker 7: Yeah, it got warm, it shot over here, got tangling this you know, lower right water.

2:30:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't feel anything on my head anymore. At the top of my head. I felt this. Once I acclimated to it, I felt this like opening up here. It just kept like it kind of like when you take if anyone's taking mushrooms here, you know, when the mushrooms first start to kick on and you get that like zing feeling like some people get in their nose. I had it at the top the top of the crowd of my head and the whole time I was holding it. Once I acclimated to it and it was just like, but now it's gone completely gone.

2:31:15 Speaker 2: Let's test that project, Superman.

2:31:19 Speaker 3: You know that's a lot up there, buddy, but.

2:31:22 Speaker 2: We're gonna head into a members only section. That was a fucking hell of a bang to end that episode on My God, you are truly a special individual. Appreciate what do you What are you working on right now? Where can people find you? Huge plug like plug everything.

2:31:41 Speaker 4: So, as I mentioned, I'm the founder of Dark Hour Paranormal. You can find me on YouTube. Go check out Contact in the Woods the Doctor Jonathan Read story. You'll also see me in that. Oh why am I drawing a blank all of a sudden?

2:31:57 Speaker 3: Here?

2:31:57 Speaker 4: Oh what I'm working on now? I have a few dot comentaries in the works. Right now, I'm putting together like a half hour forty minute documentary on the Mansfield Training School out in Stores, Connecticut. Real deep history was a mental health facility for children and a lot of things happened there. But that should be completed probably by the end of the week. I have one on Bigfoot with Long Island Bigfoot Mike col Antonio. I've been working on that for about three years, so that's interesting.

2:32:26 Speaker 4: It's not as easy to shoot for because you know you're going in the woods and there are a lot of different elements to consider when you're doing stuff like that in the cryptid world. I'm a musician as well, so I have some music i'm working on that o't that's release on the channel, And then today I do more for fun. I've toured extensively for many years doing this stuff, and you know, eventually came.

2:32:48 Speaker 3: Back to radio and what have you.

2:32:49 Speaker 4: But at the moment, that's pretty much what I'm working on. But yes, you can find me on Dark Hour, Paranormal sometimes on third phase of Moon Doctor j Radio Live Goofon with Richard Jordanno. Yeah, and of course you can find me in all the para cons that we have out here, the paranormal conventions, I host them.

2:33:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, but I'd love to get invited to one of those and come cover it like I have for like the UFO world, you know, so we'll have to chat, yes we will. Thank you everyone for tuning in. Truly truly fun, amazing episode. I'm still a little ontologically kind of shaken, uh from what I just experienced, so I'll try to get through this outro here. But thank you Michael for being here. Is absolutely amazing. We'd love to have you back. You know, we'll bring you back up, put your put you up, and you know, do due part two.

2:33:48 Speaker 3: So good.

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2:35:03 Speaker 10: Generally from toxic exposures and things like that in the military and over like over the you know, over the years, like I'd have arm pains, I have this and that, and then about three years ago it started affecting my legs and they're like you can't, Like.

2:35:24 Speaker 7: It was like your your immune systems, even your nervous system.

2:35:30 Speaker 4: And that was it.

2:35:30 Speaker 10: And I went to physical therapy and everything like that, and I swear to God, I swear to God, every bit.

2:35:40 Speaker 2: Of pain is gone. Yeah, I've actually never seen a walk that it consisted.

2:35:50 Speaker 5: I mean, it's like I cheap.

2:35:52 Speaker 10: Pounce constructed because I like pouncing state and I'm I'm like walking home.

2:36:03 Speaker 3: It struck me. I'm like, that's why I yelled for Tommy.

2:36:06 Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't have any pain.

2:36:10 Speaker 5: I don't know what that shit was here.

2:36:12 Speaker 4: You had me a whole.

2:36:30 Speaker 6: All right.

2:36:31 Speaker 7: So it is less than twenty four hours since we recorded that episode, and I'm just I asked me to make some comments and kind of show the status today here. I am no Caine. I feel great. I had a great night's sleep. I had some really vivid dreams. One was about like being in hospital. Funny thing coincidentally about it. You know, my sister got up this morning. She shares a home.

2:37:09 Speaker 5: With us, and I was like, watch this.

2:37:12 Speaker 7: I was sitting down when she came outside and I stood up and started walking around, and.

2:37:16 Speaker 5: She was just like the fuck I told her. I told her the story. And now I'm wandering down. We have a lovely, lovely bicycle trail right next to the house, and this distance that I've walked just in this short time.

2:37:39 Speaker 7: Haven't done this in

2:37:43 Speaker 5: Probably a little just about three years,