The Montauk Project: Time Travel, Mind Control, and Alien Encounters Ft. Michael Roser

0:38 Speaker 1: Icly.

1:01 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name's Ty and I'm

1:04 Speaker 2: the host of the show. I just want to say

1:07 Speaker 2: that this episode that you're about to get into is wild.

1:11 Speaker 2: I am still reeling and trying to wrap my head

1:16 Speaker 2: around what actually took place, especially towards the end of

1:21 Speaker 2: today's episode. It was wild and we may have even

1:25 Speaker 2: caught a miracle on camera. It's truly breathtaking. Our guest

1:32 Speaker 2: today is Michael Roser. He is an author, a filmmaker.

1:37 Speaker 2: He's a researcher an investigator of the paranormal and he

1:42 Speaker 2: works with energy healing and is big into that side

1:49 Speaker 2: of the phenomenon. And I can't disagree because once he

1:53 Speaker 2: arrived at the studio, there was just an aura that

1:57 Speaker 2: overtook the whole team. People were forgetting to do their

2:02 Speaker 2: jobs because they were so enthralled with what was actually

2:05 Speaker 2: being said. It was just it was something I've never

2:08 Speaker 2: experienced before. And then not to mention what happens at

2:13 Speaker 2: the end of the episode, and you'll have to watch

2:16 Speaker 2: to find out. But again, I think we may have

2:19 Speaker 2: caught something miraculous on camera. We're still talking about it

2:24 Speaker 2: right now. It's just something I can't explain, and most

2:27 Speaker 2: people will know me as the person who's very, very

2:30 Speaker 2: skeptical when it comes to the paranormal and you know,

2:33 Speaker 2: some of these other things that are just more beyond

2:37 Speaker 2: the veil. So it's with an honor that I get

2:40 Speaker 2: to say that I still can't logically or rationally explain

2:44 Speaker 2: what happened during this episode. I hope you enjoy it.

2:49 Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Step everybody, Welcome back to Total Disclosure.

4:25 Speaker 2: My name's Ty. We're super excited to be here. As

4:29 Speaker 2: I said in the intro, we're welcoming today. Michael, Michael,

4:35 Speaker 2: how are you. It's been We actually met, and I

4:39 Speaker 2: think this is awesome. We met when you know, I

4:42 Speaker 2: was a little bit more naive in my youth, or

4:46 Speaker 2: you know, I was a little headstrong, and I tried

4:49 Speaker 2: to make a documentary and didn't really think it out,

4:52 Speaker 2: and you came down to Bridgewater and that's where we

4:58 Speaker 2: met on that and you know, I've been talking about

5:02 Speaker 2: that night a lot lately, especially because last episode was

5:07 Speaker 2: Peter Muse and he runs the New England Folklore blog,

5:10 Speaker 2: and you know, I got to kind of tell the

5:11 Speaker 2: whole story. It was amazing, Like it was cool to

5:14 Speaker 2: just kind of get it all out, because that first

5:16 Speaker 2: night at the Random Dog Track after you left, that

5:19 Speaker 2: was probably the closest brush with the paranormal aside from

5:22 Speaker 2: maybe last night. But it's good to have you here.

5:28 Speaker 2: Can you tell our audience a little bit about who

5:31 Speaker 2: you are, how you got into the topic of, you know,

5:35 Speaker 2: the phenomena in general, and what is your expertise. I know,

5:39 Speaker 2: you know, you have a long list of credits. You're

5:41 Speaker 2: an author or upcoming author, You're a filmmaker. You know,

5:45 Speaker 2: you're a researcher, an investigator. You've done boots on the ground,

5:49 Speaker 2: You've done almost everything. So you know, super happy to

5:53 Speaker 2: have you.

5:54 Speaker 3: Thank you, well, thank you. I appreciate your kind words.

5:58 Speaker 4: No, myself, I've I've gotten into this field of esoterics

6:01 Speaker 4: very early in my life. Ninety six is where i'd

6:04 Speaker 4: kind of peg my serious take on the subject. And

6:08 Speaker 4: you know, it started with Carl Sagan, it started with

6:11 Speaker 4: you know, Robert Stafform and solved mysteries. And of course

6:13 Speaker 4: in those days, there weren't many places that you could

6:16 Speaker 4: go for certain valuable information dealing with the paranormal, eupology

6:19 Speaker 4: or any of this stuff. Really you were lucky if

6:22 Speaker 4: you found something in the library on the Lochness Monster,

6:25 Speaker 4: and of course you know all of these entities, if

6:28 Speaker 4: you will, is where I began, even at that age,

6:32 Speaker 4: you know, I'm looking at like fourteen fifteen at most,

6:36 Speaker 4: I was already working with energy what we now know

6:39 Speaker 4: today in the modality of reiki. At that time we

6:42 Speaker 4: just called it free energy or healing energy. And you know,

6:46 Speaker 4: I was very much in tune.

6:47 Speaker 3: With all of that.

6:48 Speaker 4: I would say my real awakening to spirituality and the

6:54 Speaker 4: likes came from a book by Betty j Edy, and

6:57 Speaker 4: this was called Embraced by the Light, and even to

6:59 Speaker 4: this day is the most heavily documented near death experience

7:03 Speaker 4: that's on paper.

7:04 Speaker 2: Can you yeah, do you mind telling me about it?

7:06 Speaker 3: Really?

7:07 Speaker 2: Yeah?

7:07 Speaker 3: Sure?

7:07 Speaker 4: I mean, essentially, this woman, I don't remember what exactly

7:10 Speaker 4: happened to her in terms of the trauma, but she

7:14 Speaker 4: died clinically and had her own experience going into the afterlife,

7:19 Speaker 4: wherein she went on what one could consider many adventures.

7:23 Speaker 4: Time does not exist the way that it exists here

7:26 Speaker 4: for us in terms of perception. Obviously it's not linear,

7:28 Speaker 4: we know that, but no more is it apparent than

7:33 Speaker 4: in the afterlife or in those higher vibrations, if you will.

7:37 Speaker 4: So she had an entire story and then eventually was

7:40 Speaker 4: told that she had to come back, but she wasn't finished.

7:42 Speaker 3: As most people do. They kicked and fought, you know,

7:45 Speaker 3: as much as she could, and they said, nope, that's it.

7:47 Speaker 3: You still have to go back. You have things you're doing.

7:49 Speaker 4: So she came back, and since that time she has

7:53 Speaker 4: traveled around the world, going on all the major circuits

7:56 Speaker 4: of syndicated television and authorship and so forth, sharing story

8:00 Speaker 4: which has never changed in detail since she first started

8:04 Speaker 4: speaking about it. So again, for me, that was sort

8:07 Speaker 4: of the open eye that I needed to kind of

8:10 Speaker 4: guide myself into, you know, getting into astra projection after

8:14 Speaker 4: the fact, going into you know, using stones and semi

8:17 Speaker 4: precious rocks for healing modalities.

8:20 Speaker 3: So I was, let's see, God.

8:23 Speaker 4: It was maybe twenty years I waited to actually sit

8:27 Speaker 4: down and talk with her in person, which I did

8:29 Speaker 4: have that opportunity on my show Dark Hour Paranormal and

8:33 Speaker 4: it was a fantastic interview. And at the end, you know,

8:36 Speaker 4: she was asking me some personal questions about my life

8:38 Speaker 4: and what I was working with and so forth, and

8:40 Speaker 4: you know, I would discuss this with her. She was

8:41 Speaker 4: nice enough to send me pages upon pages of information

8:45 Speaker 4: of things that I could implement in a practical sense

8:48 Speaker 4: to you know, aid my spirituality and path if you will.

8:51 Speaker 4: So very wonderful woman, But that's where I got started.

8:54 Speaker 2: Wow. And you know, one of the things about the

8:58 Speaker 2: near death experience that I find very intriguing is the

9:03 Speaker 2: fact that they often don't want to come back.

9:06 Speaker 3: Most almost in every case, they don't want.

9:08 Speaker 2: To come back right there. It's almost like they feel

9:12 Speaker 2: the oneness or you know, like the attachment to the source, right,

9:18 Speaker 2: call it the muse, call it whatever you want. It's like,

9:21 Speaker 2: but they feel that love and like that freedom, right,

9:27 Speaker 2: freedom from the biological restrictions that you know, we have.

9:31 Speaker 2: And it is really it's a detail that you see

9:35 Speaker 2: almost every time, is that they're like, I don't want

9:37 Speaker 2: to go back, but it's like and someone saying you

9:40 Speaker 2: have work to do, Like you still have things to do.

9:43 Speaker 2: So that's like, I find that to be very interesting

9:45 Speaker 2: because it's something we hear all the time.

9:48 Speaker 4: Well, you have to keep in mind too that you know,

9:50 Speaker 4: allegedly when we leave this meat suit, if.

9:53 Speaker 3: You will, you know you're going through different vibrations.

9:57 Speaker 4: So when you release the the body, it's more of

10:01 Speaker 4: a tactile thing than you would imagine. So once you

10:04 Speaker 4: go into those higher vibrations, you already supersede duality to

10:07 Speaker 4: a large extent. Now, duality still goes within, you know,

10:10 Speaker 4: the third dimension, the way that we understand and are

10:12 Speaker 4: familiar with it. But as you go up in the vibrations,

10:15 Speaker 4: that apparent nature is lessened. So at some point you

10:20 Speaker 4: just lose the duality altogether. And that's when you get

10:22 Speaker 4: that connection to the source, which you're then very familiar

10:26 Speaker 4: with and don't want to leave.

10:27 Speaker 3: But coming back, it's a.

10:29 Speaker 4: Lot of work for that soul to incarnate in this vibration.

10:34 Speaker 4: It's very heavy down here, and the soul knows that

10:37 Speaker 4: it feels it immediately, and even when you know somebody's

10:41 Speaker 4: coming in to be born, the soul doesn't automatically anchor

10:45 Speaker 4: into that body fully until puberty. And that's something that

10:49 Speaker 4: I've noticed for quite some time, because there's a reason

10:52 Speaker 4: that once you hit puberty, all a sudden, you start

10:54 Speaker 4: thinking you know everything, or you're questioning your outside world.

10:57 Speaker 4: You're actually looking around you and you know, questioning what

11:01 Speaker 4: the nature of reality is.

11:02 Speaker 3: Prior to that, you're sort of automatic.

11:05 Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't even think that's interesting because it's kind

11:14 Speaker 2: of spot on. After puberty is like, it's weird because

11:20 Speaker 2: like I remember like a pre puberty life and a

11:23 Speaker 2: post puberty life, like things changed, Like you feel more.

11:28 Speaker 2: You're not like feeling around anymore. You've now come up

11:33 Speaker 2: with the like what you think reality is. You've you've

11:38 Speaker 2: kind of become comfortable with Okay, this is what reality is.

11:41 Speaker 2: You're no longer sticking things in your mouth as a

11:44 Speaker 2: baby to feel things and you know, experience the world

11:47 Speaker 2: through whatever sense as you can. You're now like, okay,

11:50 Speaker 2: I've done all that and now I've formed this idea

11:55 Speaker 2: of what reality is. So these are very formative years

11:58 Speaker 2: in someone's life. So it's interesting that you say that

12:01 Speaker 2: the actual fundamental soul part of it isn't actually attached

12:07 Speaker 2: until that time, right, It's not anchored, right, So.

12:11 Speaker 4: There's still a part of you that's in that body obviously,

12:15 Speaker 4: but from my observation, that's that's what it is. It

12:19 Speaker 4: takes that time to anchor itself in and then again

12:23 Speaker 4: around puberty that's when you start really seeing this. Now

12:26 Speaker 4: keep in mind too, that when you come into this world,

12:28 Speaker 4: you are given a perception of the world first and foremost,

12:31 Speaker 4: you do not form your own idea. In many cases,

12:34 Speaker 4: that's given to you by parents.

12:35 Speaker 3: Authority, figures, teachers, those around you.

12:38 Speaker 4: So again, once you hit puberty, you start looking at

12:42 Speaker 4: those perceptions of the world and questioning them if that's

12:45 Speaker 4: legitimate for you, if that's the way you're seeing things,

12:47 Speaker 4: and then you start forming your own idea about what

12:49 Speaker 4: reality really is.

12:51 Speaker 2: Right, right, So, how how old were you? You were

12:59 Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen? You start dabbling or you kind of dive

13:04 Speaker 2: head first, like you see a path and you're like,

13:07 Speaker 2: this is my path or I'm maybe I'm assuming here.

13:11 Speaker 3: No, you're pretty accurate with that. Yeah, it was very

13:14 Speaker 3: resonant with me.

13:16 Speaker 2: When is it that you have your first like was

13:19 Speaker 2: there an experience, like what was your first brush with

13:24 Speaker 2: what we call the phenomenon, whether it's in the sky

13:27 Speaker 2: or you know, paranormal more paranormal base, but when when

13:31 Speaker 2: does that happen? Or does it happen?

13:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there are some defining moments I would

13:36 Speaker 4: say that kind of go down that path.

13:39 Speaker 3: For me, it really started internally.

13:45 Speaker 4: I didn't realize you know at a young age that

13:47 Speaker 4: I was a medium and that I was clairvoyant.

13:57 Speaker 2: Hey everyone, tie here, start to interrupt, but I just

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15:11 Speaker 4: But I was walking around within that structure, and there

15:14 Speaker 4: was a point where I really had the question that

15:17 Speaker 4: a lot of people come up against at some point

15:19 Speaker 4: in their life, and what's the meaning of life? Just

15:21 Speaker 4: something simple, what is the meaning of life? And I

15:24 Speaker 4: remember there was one day I was sitting in my

15:25 Speaker 4: room asking this question internally, and all of a sudden,

15:28 Speaker 4: I heard a voice in my head that was not

15:30 Speaker 4: internal dialogue, and it said, the point.

15:32 Speaker 3: Is to just be, to just be, to just be.

15:35 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what you're doing here. You have a plan,

15:39 Speaker 4: but you're also using your free will from moment to moment.

15:44 Speaker 4: And it's not so much that you need to focus

15:46 Speaker 4: on what comes after life. It's that you are here

15:50 Speaker 4: now and this is what you should be looking towards now.

15:54 Speaker 4: Even Betty Jed had a little saying said life is

15:57 Speaker 4: for living and light is for later. So that sort

16:00 Speaker 4: of encompasses that same idea. Stay in the moment because

16:03 Speaker 4: this is temporary.

16:05 Speaker 2: So very much so. And you know, it's something I've

16:06 Speaker 2: been saying a lot lately, is like I think a

16:09 Speaker 2: lot of people are. They're so concerned with the past,

16:15 Speaker 2: the future. And I know this is a cliche to say,

16:18 Speaker 2: but that they never realize that the present is a

16:21 Speaker 2: gift absolutely. And I mean if you think of what

16:25 Speaker 2: we experience as time is, yes, our brains fundamentally put

16:29 Speaker 2: it in linear form, right birth to current day and

16:35 Speaker 2: the future. Right. So we are in our brain simplifying

16:39 Speaker 2: it to a linear format, you know. But all it

16:44 Speaker 2: is is a bunch of now's compiled upon each other

16:51 Speaker 2: to create memories experiences. So like now, now, now, now, now,

16:57 Speaker 2: They're all compiling on top of each other to create

16:59 Speaker 2: this linear like memory of experiencing our world.

17:05 Speaker 3: Well, that's how our brains are wired.

17:07 Speaker 4: We're meant to compartmentalize certain things, and.

17:10 Speaker 3: This is to keep us from kind of losing it.

17:13 Speaker 4: It's sort of in the sense that you have a

17:15 Speaker 4: zero point gravity, if you will, and this is a

17:18 Speaker 4: perception that anchors you here into this reality. If you

17:21 Speaker 4: remove that, then different things happen. Now, if you want

17:25 Speaker 4: to look into nature and describe this and understand a

17:28 Speaker 4: little bit more, look at the two spirals that we're

17:30 Speaker 4: very familiar with that we can find the Fibonacci spiral

17:33 Speaker 4: and the golden Means spiral. The biggest difference between the

17:36 Speaker 4: two is that the golden mean is infinite. It never stops,

17:40 Speaker 4: it goes both directions Fibonacci does. So what nature did

17:45 Speaker 4: was took the golden mean spiral as an architect excuse me,

17:48 Speaker 4: as the architecture for nature, but realize there had to

17:51 Speaker 4: be a beginning and an end when you talk about duality.

17:54 Speaker 4: So it created the Fibonacci spiral, which is exactly the same,

17:57 Speaker 4: but it has beginning in an end. So you know,

18:00 Speaker 4: keep that in thoughts.

18:02 Speaker 2: Right, right, right, So what led you to the Bridgewater Triangle?

18:10 Speaker 4: It was another place that I'd always had my sights on,

18:13 Speaker 4: and when just before COVID, you know, I was still

18:19 Speaker 4: in radio. I've been in radio since two thousand and

18:21 Speaker 4: two and I was still doing shows in that format,

18:23 Speaker 4: and there was a person who convinced me to go

18:25 Speaker 4: onto YouTube. And at the time, I didn't realize how big,

18:29 Speaker 4: you know, YouTube had got, and I kind of figured

18:31 Speaker 4: it was still something for people to just throw videos

18:33 Speaker 4: up and have fun with it.

18:33 Speaker 3: But no, there was a.

18:34 Speaker 4: Serious platform that had formed that you know, major media

18:38 Speaker 4: outlets had been you know, putting their channels on and

18:42 Speaker 4: I soon realized that there were a lot of people

18:45 Speaker 4: that went to YouTube exclusively for their news and videos

18:48 Speaker 4: and so forth. Okay, so I'm gonna do that now.

18:50 Speaker 4: In doing this, you know, I get into the interviews.

18:53 Speaker 4: I just took what I did with radio and I

18:54 Speaker 4: made it more visceral for YouTube, which is fine.

18:56 Speaker 3: I've kept that format all the way through.

18:59 Speaker 4: But in only third phase of Moon and becoming very

19:02 Speaker 4: close friends with those guys, you know, and Blake and

19:06 Speaker 4: Brent Cousins.

19:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, Brent Cousins, Yeah, you.

19:09 Speaker 4: Know, I looked at them and some of the movies

19:11 Speaker 4: that they were putting together. I'm like, this is fantastic.

19:14 Speaker 4: But you know, there's two of you guys. Of course

19:15 Speaker 4: you can do it. And they're like, no, you can

19:16 Speaker 4: do it yourself. I'm like, no, I can't. They go,

19:18 Speaker 4: we'll show you. So Blake actually went down to a

19:21 Speaker 4: cemetery down the street when they were living in Hawaii

19:23 Speaker 4: and shot this all by himself. He took many different shots,

19:27 Speaker 4: showed me how to do this, and as soon as

19:29 Speaker 4: I saw it, I said, oh, okay, yeah, you're right,

19:32 Speaker 4: I can do this. And that's what really got me

19:35 Speaker 4: into the filmmaking. So back to Bridgewater Triangle. I always

19:39 Speaker 4: wanted to do a documentary on that place. There's so

19:41 Speaker 4: many different areas of anomalous activity and history that goes

19:44 Speaker 4: into the Triangle. For me, it was a mecca and

19:47 Speaker 4: a playground to get into the paranormal stuff and what

19:50 Speaker 4: have you. So that's what brought me up that way.

19:52 Speaker 4: And of course, knowing Harry Green and you know, Seneca

19:54 Speaker 4: and some of the other guys from the Bridgewater Triangle

19:56 Speaker 4: Paranormal Investigators, I eventually officially joined that team, even though

20:00 Speaker 4: more of.

20:00 Speaker 3: A peripheral number, because you know.

20:02 Speaker 4: It's tough for me to get out there all the time,

20:04 Speaker 4: but I'm always in contact with those guys. I know

20:06 Speaker 4: what they're doing, they know what I'm doing. So there's

20:09 Speaker 4: a good synergistic relationship that I have with the Bridgewater

20:11 Speaker 4: Triangle Investigators.

20:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of how we linked that with

20:17 Speaker 2: that because you know, I m listed. The one thing

20:21 Speaker 2: I wanted to do is really to go in there

20:23 Speaker 2: and not be blind. So you know, I wanted to

20:26 Speaker 2: enlist the help of the people that know the area,

20:28 Speaker 2: know the history, know it all. You know, that place

20:33 Speaker 2: is something different.

20:35 Speaker 4: Even just walking into the Triangle from any angle, you

20:38 Speaker 4: can feel something different in the air, there's a difference.

20:41 Speaker 3: And it's the same thing with Montauk Long Island.

20:43 Speaker 4: As soon as you cross the threshold of that town

20:45 Speaker 4: and you get into it, you feel like you're in

20:47 Speaker 4: some other world. It's a different energy that pervades.

20:51 Speaker 2: Right, It's like there's a bubble around it, and when

20:53 Speaker 2: you enter in, it's like a different, heavier feeling very much.

20:56 Speaker 2: So what would you say to the idea of this

21:01 Speaker 2: notion of because it seems like you're really into this

21:05 Speaker 2: like energy and you know, like just that not you know,

21:13 Speaker 2: there's way more than meets the eye. Right, As I

21:17 Speaker 2: famously say and will famously be written in the notes,

21:20 Speaker 2: is you know the world is It's just not black

21:24 Speaker 2: and white. There's so much more. I can't say it anymore.

21:27 Speaker 2: There's so much more gray than anyone can anticipate. So

21:32 Speaker 2: when you go to one of these places and you

21:34 Speaker 2: experience that gray, I call it this moment of conversion.

21:37 Speaker 2: If you haven't had it before, you're like, oh, it's tangible, measurable.

21:45 Speaker 2: Your biological sensors are like, something's different. So would you

21:51 Speaker 2: say that there is something about like Salem, the Bridgewater, Triangle,

21:57 Speaker 2: mon Talk, these places that have had tremendous loss and

22:07 Speaker 2: which is almost derivative. There's something else there you kind

22:11 Speaker 2: of see. It is the greed of man, oh yeah,

22:15 Speaker 2: or the selfish acts of man, right killing innocent people

22:20 Speaker 2: to you know, do whatever. There's that greed aspect in that.

22:24 Speaker 2: Do you think that it potentially is tainting the actual

22:27 Speaker 2: land and causing some sort of cursed like echo in

22:32 Speaker 2: the actual place? Absolutely like or something along those lines.

22:37 Speaker 5: No.

22:37 Speaker 3: Absolutely.

22:37 Speaker 4: You know, I came up with a theory some time ago,

22:40 Speaker 4: and you know, Harry and I had discussed this about

22:42 Speaker 4: the Bridgewater Triangle and because of the King Philip's War,

22:45 Speaker 4: this place used to be sacred. This is a very

22:47 Speaker 4: sacred place to all the indigenous people that were around here.

22:51 Speaker 4: And when they killed a bunch of people, you know,

22:54 Speaker 4: let's just talk about the Hackamock Swamp for a moment.

22:56 Speaker 4: When they killed people in that area, all that just

22:59 Speaker 4: became tainted with that blood. And I think that opened

23:02 Speaker 4: something to allow a lot more negativity to permeate that location.

23:08 Speaker 4: And you know, maybe in time this will clear, maybe

23:10 Speaker 4: it won't.

23:10 Speaker 3: I don't know.

23:11 Speaker 4: We never live long enough to really see it, but

23:13 Speaker 4: we still have plenty of haunted places that have been

23:15 Speaker 4: haunted for hundreds of years. And we're not talking about

23:18 Speaker 4: residual hauntings. We're talking about something sentient.

23:21 Speaker 3: Right, So you have both over.

23:23 Speaker 4: There in the triangle. You have intelligent haunts and you

23:25 Speaker 4: have residual haunts.

23:27 Speaker 3: But to be honest with you, you.

23:30 Speaker 4: Know, even looking at a location and thinking about whether

23:35 Speaker 4: this may be haunted, maybe there's let's say one spirit.

23:37 Speaker 4: We can talk about the Conjuring House in this context. Okay,

23:41 Speaker 4: there's more of a trickster spirit in there. It's not

23:43 Speaker 4: something malevolent the way that people have made it. But

23:46 Speaker 4: because so many people know about that location and have

23:48 Speaker 4: gone into the conjuring universe in terms of entertainment, that

23:52 Speaker 4: particular focus mentally draws all that energy there, and you

23:55 Speaker 4: actually amplify whatever's there because people have that inflow in

24:00 Speaker 4: a quantum sense, if you will.

24:03 Speaker 2: So they're putting. We talked about this with Peter Muse,

24:07 Speaker 2: this idea of the tulpa, right, this belief in something

24:14 Speaker 2: which it feeds kind of feeds on it and it

24:18 Speaker 2: almost either amplifies it, like you said, or creates it

24:24 Speaker 2: out of nothing. Right. So in this trickster element, right,

24:28 Speaker 2: this non malevolent but non benevolent. It's almost indifferent, and

24:34 Speaker 2: it almost has a sense of humor right the Interestingly enough,

24:40 Speaker 2: it tends to have. These things tend to have like

24:42 Speaker 2: a little bit of a sense of humor. So it's

24:44 Speaker 2: like that doesn't happen with residual stuff. That's something that's sentient,

24:52 Speaker 2: and it's like right, like there's no if I was

24:55 Speaker 2: to picture something like an echo of like a World

25:00 Speaker 2: War two veteran that got blown up and he's just

25:02 Speaker 2: walking the battlefield, he's not going to have a sense

25:05 Speaker 2: of humor, but a trickster element entity which may come

25:10 Speaker 2: from some sort of interdimensional playing field, rather than whatever

25:16 Speaker 2: we're experiencing with the residual stuff that's almost like tainted

25:21 Speaker 2: right the ground, and like that person's spirit, whatever's it's

25:26 Speaker 2: left over, it's just repeating its cycle. It's just like

25:32 Speaker 2: I said, an echo almost a glimpse into the past.

25:36 Speaker 3: I think of like a cassette tape. You can play

25:37 Speaker 3: it over and over again.

25:38 Speaker 2: It degrades and it over time it wears off.

25:41 Speaker 4: Maybe sure, I've always had that question when it comes

25:44 Speaker 4: to revisual hauntings.

25:45 Speaker 2: So like whether it degrades or not, Yeah, I don't know.

25:47 Speaker 4: I mean again, we go back to energy and vibration,

25:50 Speaker 4: and the reason that a place may become tainted or

25:51 Speaker 4: there's an echo of any sort is because the walls

25:54 Speaker 4: have ears, so to speak, that energy, that vibration is

25:57 Speaker 4: captured and held within the material around you. So, you know,

26:01 Speaker 4: you go down to the basic atomic level. Everything's in vibration,

26:05 Speaker 4: and in order for it to be in vibration and

26:08 Speaker 4: still exists in the same space as other bits of material,

26:11 Speaker 4: they have to sit within a certain vibrational matrix that

26:15 Speaker 4: is continuous with the reality that they're in. So, for example,

26:19 Speaker 4: if I were to take my hand and create let's

26:21 Speaker 4: say a synthetic electromagnetic field around this, and we call

26:24 Speaker 4: this X. Okay, my hand vibrates at X, so does

26:27 Speaker 4: the couch. Can't put my hand through the couch. But

26:30 Speaker 4: if I were to raise the vibration within that small

26:33 Speaker 4: system of electromagnetic field to X plus one, well, now I.

26:36 Speaker 3: Can put my hand through anything that has the value

26:39 Speaker 3: of X.

26:40 Speaker 4: So again, you know, keeping that in mind, you know,

26:44 Speaker 4: everything makes sound, we just can't hear it. It's subsonic frequencies,

26:48 Speaker 4: but it has well, there's resin frequencies, and there are

26:52 Speaker 4: other frequencies that go into the actual material that see today,

26:56 Speaker 4: like what we identify as wood or water, whatever that

26:59 Speaker 4: it has its own frequent see and again, in order

27:02 Speaker 4: for these things to exist in the same space, there

27:04 Speaker 4: has to be a musical component, a harmonic component for

27:07 Speaker 4: them to exist, Otherwise it would be something more in

27:10 Speaker 4: terms of a descent.

27:12 Speaker 2: Interesting. So that's deep, like that's a you know, we're

27:21 Speaker 2: only scratching the surface when it comes. I know, I

27:23 Speaker 2: love it. I love it. This is where we're beginning.

27:28 Speaker 3: What do you think consciousness is unquantifiable? I think.

27:37 Speaker 4: In order to have a real answer to that, we

27:39 Speaker 4: need to be living in a reality where we are

27:41 Speaker 4: more aligned with both both hemispheres of our.

27:44 Speaker 2: Pin our brain.

27:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, so a lot of people are living out of

27:46 Speaker 4: the left side. I mean predominantly societies are left brained.

27:49 Speaker 4: We're aware of the right brain, but we don't utilize

27:52 Speaker 4: it as much.

27:53 Speaker 3: But the right brain holds a lot more for us.

27:58 Speaker 4: That is waiting for our consciousness to reach a level

28:01 Speaker 4: where we're now more aware and being able to integrate

28:03 Speaker 4: those two loaves and then experience life that way instead

28:07 Speaker 4: of just being left brained. So, yeah, talking about consciousness,

28:12 Speaker 4: I mean, we can have light definitions of what we understand,

28:16 Speaker 4: but it's something that we're still fully trying to grasp.

28:19 Speaker 2: Do you find it weird that people try to quantify

28:23 Speaker 2: it and put it in a box and say, well,

28:26 Speaker 2: it simply just arises from the biological brain. It's just

28:31 Speaker 2: a circumstance of having a brain.

28:36 Speaker 4: Well, that's an opinion, and it's based on certain observances

28:39 Speaker 4: and scientific methods. And as we continue to expand the

28:44 Speaker 4: scientific field in general and we understand more, we have

28:47 Speaker 4: to integrate to certain things that maybe we put off

28:49 Speaker 4: to the side that didn't have connection prior to we

28:51 Speaker 4: realize do have connection. So it's an ever progressing sort

28:55 Speaker 4: of field that has to have the elasticity to be.

28:59 Speaker 3: Able to expand that way.

29:01 Speaker 4: In some some forms of academia you can do this,

29:05 Speaker 4: others you can't. And that's just the stubbornness of the

29:08 Speaker 4: human being.

29:09 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, do you believe that it's possible that

29:20 Speaker 2: people have tapped into raising the consciousness of others and

29:31 Speaker 2: potentially that our government knows that it's possible and is

29:37 Speaker 2: actively keeping us kind of suppressed to a degree where

29:43 Speaker 2: you know, they have these distractions and and I don't

29:46 Speaker 2: want to get too like conspiratorial, like, but the more

29:51 Speaker 2: I see behind the curtain, the more I realize that

29:54 Speaker 2: a lot of this shit is really theater out there.

29:58 Speaker 2: It's really theater.

29:59 Speaker 3: It's all by design.

30:00 Speaker 2: It's it's and it's it's almost like once you see it,

30:04 Speaker 2: you stop being able to stop seeing it not see it.

30:08 Speaker 2: So then you'll be in the grocery store and you'll

30:10 Speaker 2: see all these like almost NPCs, right, these people that

30:16 Speaker 2: just there's nothing there and they're just like in You're like,

30:23 Speaker 2: how do you make it to a day? How do

30:25 Speaker 2: you make it alive through it one day? Because you

30:28 Speaker 2: don't seem like like there's no personality, and you just

30:32 Speaker 2: start seeing like like, for instance, I was walking through

30:36 Speaker 2: Boston Common at one point, downtown Boston at one point,

30:40 Speaker 2: and you know when you like you're walking to Times Square,

30:42 Speaker 2: Boston Common or any populated area, and you see the

30:46 Speaker 2: mass of people walking and like there's different directions, but

30:50 Speaker 2: there's it's like chaos, but there's a little bit of

30:52 Speaker 2: order to it. It's kind of like the Matrix scene

30:56 Speaker 2: where he's instead of like bumping into people and shit,

31:00 Speaker 2: then once he learns that he's in the matrix he's

31:03 Speaker 2: able to, like without even knowing it, weave through them.

31:07 Speaker 2: I feel like I've I weave through people at this

31:10 Speaker 2: point because I'm actively always on the edge of like

31:16 Speaker 2: this existential kind of discussion. And I think that is

31:21 Speaker 2: what's good for this kind of stuff is I think

31:24 Speaker 2: inherently you're raising your consciousness by even just talking about

31:29 Speaker 2: it and understanding that is something there that just because

31:34 Speaker 2: the psychologist tells you it's sleep paralysis, they can't tell

31:37 Speaker 2: you what consciousness is still, So like, I get that

31:40 Speaker 2: there have opinions and methods, and I just I don't

31:44 Speaker 2: think that we're getting the full picture.

31:46 Speaker 3: We're not.

31:46 Speaker 4: And again this is by design. I mean to answer

31:49 Speaker 4: your question from a moment ago. You know, religion. Religion

31:52 Speaker 4: keeps us from knowing who we truly are. Now that's

31:55 Speaker 4: not to say that, you know, it doesn't help some people.

31:57 Speaker 4: It does give them structure, and I support that, But

32:00 Speaker 4: by and large, there's a ceiling and you're going to.

32:03 Speaker 3: Hit that ceiling and that's it.

32:05 Speaker 4: But you know, governments know about that and have utilized

32:07 Speaker 4: religion for as a form of control for many years.

32:10 Speaker 4: And it doesn't matter what religion, they're all similar in

32:13 Speaker 4: that affect.

32:15 Speaker 3: It's unfortunate.

32:16 Speaker 4: But you know, once you sort of break out of

32:18 Speaker 4: that mold or again, you know, for a lot of people,

32:21 Speaker 4: the perception that they were given as you know, a youngster.

32:25 Speaker 4: Once you start really looking at things for yourself and

32:28 Speaker 4: bringing it through your own filter, which is generally you know,

32:31 Speaker 4: fueled by experiences and research and your own intellect, then

32:36 Speaker 4: you're you're going to start seeing that wider picture. Now

32:40 Speaker 4: that doesn't necessarily mean you're going to understand it, but

32:42 Speaker 4: you're going to be aware that there is a broader,

32:45 Speaker 4: you know picture to look at.

32:48 Speaker 2: Very much so. But okay, so where are you on?

32:55 Speaker 2: Like do you keep up with like the stuff that's

32:58 Speaker 2: happening with the UFO files and you know, the tranches

33:02 Speaker 2: of because I know obviously the Cousin brothers are really

33:06 Speaker 2: into that, you know, doctor doctor Greer fat kind of

33:10 Speaker 2: like group are you do you keep up with that stuff?

33:15 Speaker 5: Oh?

33:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I couldn't ignore it if I tried.

33:18 Speaker 4: It's just too prominent in my circle of friends. And

33:21 Speaker 4: you know the people I work with, you know, Blake

33:23 Speaker 4: and Brent have released so many documentaries on this subject, and.

33:28 Speaker 2: I saw them at the second hearing. See that placard

33:31 Speaker 2: right there on the side, the Tyler Roberts slash. Yeah,

33:36 Speaker 2: that's from the second hearing. That was on my chair

33:39 Speaker 2: at a reserve seat and I saw them there. Yeah,

33:42 Speaker 2: they were filming for what would have become what would

33:47 Speaker 2: become It was that documentary they did about doctor Greer recently,

33:50 Speaker 2: the most recent one they did with them, Yes, and

33:52 Speaker 2: it was like about the hearing and like all that

33:55 Speaker 2: new stuff. So yeah, those guys are like actively in it.

33:59 Speaker 2: So you know, like the are what do you make

34:02 Speaker 2: of these quote unquote UFO whistleblowers? What do you make

34:07 Speaker 2: of what they're saying?

34:08 Speaker 3: I think, you know, in what they're able to say.

34:12 Speaker 4: You know, the public is finally getting a different narrative

34:15 Speaker 4: than we've been given for years and years and decades,

34:19 Speaker 4: I mean.

34:20 Speaker 3: Of misinformation, disinformation, outright lies. And you know this this

34:26 Speaker 3: isn't something new.

34:27 Speaker 4: There've always been whistleblowers that talk to whatever extent that

34:30 Speaker 4: they can. Some of them survive, a lot of them don't.

34:33 Speaker 4: And that's indicative of the era. Now we're moving into

34:36 Speaker 4: a paradigm shift. Well we've already kind of gone that way,

34:38 Speaker 4: but we're now in a steady paradigm shift where it's

34:42 Speaker 4: always been my opinion that you can keep a secret

34:44 Speaker 4: for so long and eventually it has to come out

34:46 Speaker 4: because things change and circumstances surrounding that secret shift.

34:51 Speaker 3: So I think that's what we're seeing here. And a

34:53 Speaker 3: lot of people want to sit down and say, Okay,

34:54 Speaker 3: we need a.

34:55 Speaker 4: Leader to tell us you know about extraterrestrials or what

34:59 Speaker 4: have you? Technology disclosure, We need disclosure from a leader. No,

35:03 Speaker 4: we don't know, we don't, and we're not going to

35:05 Speaker 4: get it. What we're going to get is individuals coming

35:08 Speaker 4: to that understanding of what disclosure is being convicted in that,

35:12 Speaker 4: whether it be anecdotal or not, and then a consensus

35:15 Speaker 4: around that idea of reality. And that is the manifestation

35:19 Speaker 4: of what disclosure really is.

35:21 Speaker 2: It's an individual and that's what I mean. So like

35:26 Speaker 2: when I had my UFOs hiding, I remember it comes

35:33 Speaker 2: over so like for in reference to me, it comes

35:40 Speaker 2: south to north right, and it comes over my head

35:45 Speaker 2: like from behind me, and it's oscillating, and I catch

35:48 Speaker 2: a glint of it and that's and then I'm locked

35:51 Speaker 2: onto it at twelve years old, and this thing's oscillating

35:54 Speaker 2: at tree top level broad daylight. At that moment, I

36:00 Speaker 2: can kind of like what I said with puberty, there

36:03 Speaker 2: was a pre and a post because pre I didn't

36:10 Speaker 2: have reference for what that was, and post I couldn't

36:15 Speaker 2: stop trying to find out what that was. And I

36:20 Speaker 2: here we are, almost twenty something years later, and I'm

36:25 Speaker 2: talking to you about these things, and I've built this

36:27 Speaker 2: whole thing because of a sighting and then one more

36:32 Speaker 2: experience in the room with my mother as she passed away,

36:37 Speaker 2: which we've probably talked about before, but I won't rehash

36:41 Speaker 2: it because everyone's heard it on this show a billion times.

36:45 Speaker 2: So but those two moments, I call those my moments

36:48 Speaker 2: of conversion. And when it's when I went from not

36:52 Speaker 2: knowing because I can tell you it's one one plus

36:55 Speaker 2: one equals two, or I could tell you it's raining outside,

36:58 Speaker 2: but until you walked up to the window and open

37:02 Speaker 2: it up and see with your own eyes that it's raining,

37:07 Speaker 2: you're taking my word right. But until you directly apprehend

37:12 Speaker 2: for yourself, because I can give you the clues, I

37:15 Speaker 2: can give you the equation, but until you understand fundamentally

37:20 Speaker 2: that one plus one equals to for yourself, and you

37:25 Speaker 2: understand that that how it gets there. Or when you

37:27 Speaker 2: see the rain after I told you it was raining,

37:30 Speaker 2: you're directly apprehending it. It's no longer a belief, it

37:34 Speaker 2: is a knowing. That's right, right, So those two experiences

37:38 Speaker 2: for me were my direct apprehension that the world was

37:43 Speaker 2: not black and white.

37:45 Speaker 3: And there's nobody on this planet they can tell you

37:48 Speaker 3: that it was that didn't happen for you. Yeah, okay.

37:52 Speaker 3: The majority of people who witness the UFO are taken.

37:55 Speaker 3: They just don't know it.

37:57 Speaker 4: And I've talked to a lot of different people about

37:59 Speaker 4: this and it all comes back to the same point.

38:01 Speaker 4: You may not remember it, and in many cases they

38:03 Speaker 4: come back and.

38:04 Speaker 3: Take you more. But we are working.

38:07 Speaker 4: With these different energies and the different species of extraterrestrial

38:11 Speaker 4: and I'm gonna say it that way because a lot

38:12 Speaker 4: of them are more terrestrial than they're extraterrestrial, but they

38:15 Speaker 4: just appear to be.

38:16 Speaker 3: Something off planet.

38:20 Speaker 4: And again, you know, we have this amnesia, and that's

38:22 Speaker 4: that's on purpose, because they need us to still be

38:24 Speaker 4: in the moment and do what we're doing here. There's

38:26 Speaker 4: a universal law that you can't really, you know, take

38:29 Speaker 4: that away from a living being. I mean, there are

38:32 Speaker 4: circumstances where force has been used, and we can talk

38:35 Speaker 4: about you know, some of those more warring or belligerent

38:39 Speaker 4: species that you know, have tried to take over, and

38:41 Speaker 4: you know, there's a lot of different stories to go

38:42 Speaker 4: into that and how some of them are actually guiding

38:46 Speaker 4: our governments and the Luciferian movements within our governments and

38:49 Speaker 4: shadow governments. You know, I've had an extraterrestrial appear right

38:56 Speaker 4: in front of me and there's nobody in the world

38:58 Speaker 4: that can tell me that never happened.

39:01 Speaker 2: Oh I gotta know.

39:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, this goes into the doctor Jonathan Reid case.

39:05 Speaker 4: And I don't know if you're terribly familiar with what

39:07 Speaker 4: happened with him, but you know, long story short, I

39:10 Speaker 4: won't get into the whole thing because we well, there

39:13 Speaker 4: is a movie that just came out called Contact in

39:15 Speaker 4: the Woods, and I cannot say too much about how

39:20 Speaker 4: that was put together, but I am in the film,

39:23 Speaker 4: so take that for what it is. But his case

39:27 Speaker 4: is very precarious because at some point with his actions,

39:31 Speaker 4: you know, he put a mark on himself without realizing it.

39:37 Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety six, he.

39:38 Speaker 4: Was out in the woods of Oregon with his dog,

39:41 Speaker 4: and it's a walk that they normally would take. He

39:43 Speaker 4: was a doctor of psychology, I believe it was, and

39:47 Speaker 4: this is what he would do when he got out

39:48 Speaker 4: of work.

39:48 Speaker 3: You'd take the dog out of the woods to have

39:49 Speaker 3: a little hike go home.

39:51 Speaker 4: Well, at one point the dog ran up over a

39:53 Speaker 4: ridge and all of a sudden, Jonathan heard the dog

39:57 Speaker 4: screaming in pain. So he immediately runs up and see

40:00 Speaker 4: this little three foot being taken the dog by the neck,

40:03 Speaker 4: whipping it around like a wet towel, and wherein it

40:06 Speaker 4: literally the capcate excuse me, decapitated. The dog threw the

40:10 Speaker 4: carcass on the ground. As it hit the ground, it

40:13 Speaker 4: turned into white ash, so there was no cadaver to

40:16 Speaker 4: speak of.

40:17 Speaker 3: There's this pile of white ash.

40:19 Speaker 4: Instinctively, in that moment a panic, Jonathan picks up a stick,

40:22 Speaker 4: runs up to this creature, whatever it is, and smacks

40:24 Speaker 4: it on the back of the head with all the

40:25 Speaker 4: force he possibly can, putting about a softball sized contusion

40:29 Speaker 4: into this being's head. Now, when it falls on the floor,

40:32 Speaker 4: he assumes that it's dead.

40:34 Speaker 3: It's bleeding.

40:35 Speaker 4: You can see brain matter coming out of it. He

40:37 Speaker 4: had a camera with him where he filmed all of

40:39 Speaker 4: this as it had happened.

40:41 Speaker 3: Not the moment he hit the being, but as soon

40:43 Speaker 3: as this happen the camera.

40:45 Speaker 4: And it's really difficult to watch his footage because he

40:48 Speaker 4: immediately gets sick when he strikes this this entity.

40:51 Speaker 3: So he strikes it and strong.

40:54 Speaker 2: There's there's footage. Yes, you've seen it.

41:00 Speaker 3: Yes, we not bullshit, not bullshit, and we've used it

41:04 Speaker 3: in the movie.

41:04 Speaker 2: He took this how is it not headline? Uh well,

41:09 Speaker 2: we'll get to that, okay, all right.

41:11 Speaker 4: Sorry, he took this being home with him because he

41:15 Speaker 4: didn't know what else to do, and he didn't know.

41:16 Speaker 2: What he Sorry, he puts it in the fridge.

41:19 Speaker 4: Yes, so art Bell covered this ideally in the hunting freezer.

41:23 Speaker 2: I do know it.

41:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, long story short, many people had

41:27 Speaker 3: seen this. They came over, they witnessed this. He did autopsies.

41:30 Speaker 4: He filmed all of this, and when you watch the film,

41:32 Speaker 4: you can see that the eyes are still moving, there's

41:34 Speaker 4: eyeshine sometimes that the facial muscles will twitch.

41:37 Speaker 3: This a little bit.

41:38 Speaker 4: It was playing possum for one reason or another. And

41:41 Speaker 4: when he put it in that hunting freezer. It actually

41:43 Speaker 4: rejuvenated the being and that's why it was able to

41:47 Speaker 4: to yep, but it went back into its dimension or.

41:50 Speaker 3: Whatever it was from.

41:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, whatever now continues to visit Jonathan and those who

41:55 Speaker 4: work with him to this day. I've been on the

41:59 Speaker 4: phone with him where this being shows up. I have

42:01 Speaker 4: heard the voice of this being and he's colloquially named Freddie,

42:07 Speaker 4: so they call him Freddie. Yeah, it's interesting, and I'll

42:14 Speaker 4: show you some pictures you know, when we're through the

42:16 Speaker 4: interview that you know Jonathan has sent to me, and

42:19 Speaker 4: you know.

42:19 Speaker 3: Some of the videos whatever.

42:20 Speaker 4: But you know, if you see the movie Contact in

42:22 Speaker 4: the Woods, all this is covered.

42:24 Speaker 3: And you know, we go down the line.

42:25 Speaker 2: But is it out right now?

42:26 Speaker 3: Yes, it is.

42:27 Speaker 2: I'm going to watch it.

42:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can get on YouTube movies. You can go

42:30 Speaker 4: there and get it for free.

42:32 Speaker 2: The description below.

42:33 Speaker 3: For this video to be the Apple TV. It's on

42:37 Speaker 3: all the major platforms.

42:40 Speaker 4: But he's been hunted and nearly destroyed by whatever faction

42:45 Speaker 4: of government is after him.

42:48 Speaker 3: He's been shot three times. Yeah, so is Freddie?

42:51 Speaker 2: Now? Like what's the relationship. It's like, dude, you fucking

42:56 Speaker 2: killed my dog and you meduced him into like smoke,

43:02 Speaker 2: like rubble. By the way, doesn't that sound weird? It

43:07 Speaker 2: was an accident, But I'm saying, doesn't that sound kind

43:11 Speaker 2: of familiar to what our ancestors said when they looked

43:16 Speaker 2: into the eyes of this being, like call it Medusa

43:21 Speaker 2: or call it whatever other one I forget the other

43:23 Speaker 2: one that when you looked into its eyes you turned

43:26 Speaker 2: to stone.

43:27 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Medusa, Medusa, right, the most well known one, yes, or.

43:33 Speaker 2: When the other one turns them to salt. That's kind

43:38 Speaker 2: of like what happened, right, That's the way to look

43:42 Speaker 2: at it. There's like there's a connection there that I

43:44 Speaker 2: can't help but notice it's like, again, is our our

43:48 Speaker 2: were our ancient ancestors dealing with these same things and

43:53 Speaker 2: just putting a different label on it.

43:55 Speaker 3: Answer, in my opinion is yes, Yeah.

43:57 Speaker 4: I think that we've been working with this for a

43:59 Speaker 4: long time and perhaps.

44:01 Speaker 3: Our entire existence.

44:02 Speaker 2: So I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off

44:03 Speaker 2: and take a t real So, So that was.

44:06 Speaker 6: An accidentship, Yeah, So it just so happened that Freddy

44:13 Speaker 6: was in the woods doing something and as far as

44:15 Speaker 6: we can ascertain, he might have been like a geological surveyist.

44:19 Speaker 4: He was doing something scientifically based that we don't understand,

44:23 Speaker 4: but that's what he was doing. And the dog came up.

44:26 Speaker 4: And it wasn't actually Freddy that killed the dog.

44:28 Speaker 3: It was his suit. It had a defensive measure.

44:31 Speaker 4: It's half biological, half mechanical, and that's what actually grabbed

44:35 Speaker 4: the dog. So Freddie, I mean, the question has been asked,

44:40 Speaker 4: you know, was there I'm sorry or you know, I

44:42 Speaker 4: wish it didn't happen. And he doesn't understand it the

44:45 Speaker 4: way that we understand it.

44:47 Speaker 3: So it just it happened.

44:48 Speaker 2: He just doesn't He doesn't understand the connection to like

44:52 Speaker 2: why he asked to apologize or right, like he might

44:55 Speaker 2: not even understand apologies in that way. That's correct, Like

44:57 Speaker 2: we can't assume that they that if we put our

45:00 Speaker 2: hand out they would shake it. That might be super

45:04 Speaker 2: disrespectful something, you know what I mean, Like we have

45:07 Speaker 2: to think about these things, right, Yeah, to understand it. Yeah,

45:11 Speaker 2: and and so he probably if this again, I have

45:15 Speaker 2: to say this, If this is true, he it would

45:19 Speaker 2: make sense that as being would not really like understand

45:23 Speaker 2: the ramification of what happened, Like wouldn't understand that that

45:30 Speaker 2: that is deeply disrespectful to us, the same way we

45:33 Speaker 2: wouldn't know if sticking our hand out would be disrespectful

45:37 Speaker 2: to them as a sign, like some sign on there

45:40 Speaker 2: where they come from, that that that's terribly disrespectful to do,

45:44 Speaker 2: right or something like that, just caveat. But so the

45:51 Speaker 2: being now just shows up and is helping him now.

45:55 Speaker 4: So a relationship was formed early on when you know,

45:59 Speaker 4: this being sprung from the hunting freezer, obviously Jonathan had

46:03 Speaker 4: to do something with that, right, So they tried to

46:06 Speaker 4: communicate with each other audibly at first, and they just

46:09 Speaker 4: weren't connecting.

46:10 Speaker 3: I mean, Freddy was making a series from what I understand.

46:12 Speaker 4: Of clicks pops, you know, sibilants if you will, but

46:16 Speaker 4: it just wasn't coming across. And then Freddy attempted to

46:19 Speaker 4: communicate with Jonathan telepathically by sending you know, certain images

46:23 Speaker 4: into his mind's eye, and they eventually found a balance

46:27 Speaker 4: in that. And yes it's still rudimentary and the way

46:30 Speaker 4: that they can communicate, but they can understand each other.

46:33 Speaker 4: There have been reporters that have stayed with Jonathan covering

46:36 Speaker 4: the story for months, sometimes years, and they see this

46:40 Speaker 4: being too, So it's not just Jonathan. Yeah, Unfortunately, to

46:47 Speaker 4: really pursue, you know, anything that Jonathan has, Jonathan would

46:50 Speaker 4: have to come to you because he is surrounded by

46:52 Speaker 4: a team of ex Navy seals.

46:54 Speaker 2: To him, they're red, they're they're protecting the asset. Well,

47:00 Speaker 2: what they want to know what's going on?

47:02 Speaker 4: Well, the reason we believe that whatever faction of government

47:06 Speaker 4: is after him is because of a specific artifact that

47:09 Speaker 4: he found during that experience.

47:11 Speaker 2: And we call it the link an artifact, an.

47:13 Speaker 4: Artifact, it's an actual cuff link that goes on your

47:16 Speaker 4: wrist and when he found it, he just scooped it

47:20 Speaker 4: up brought it with him because it was on Freddie

47:22 Speaker 4: at one point, but at some point he decided to

47:25 Speaker 4: put it on now again, I can show you pictures

47:28 Speaker 4: of this, and he actually demonstrated what I'm going to

47:30 Speaker 4: tell you in front of a live studio audience in

47:33 Speaker 4: Canada with Haimi Mosan.

47:35 Speaker 3: So what happens you understand the I don't get me

47:39 Speaker 3: to start on Jimi Mossan.

47:40 Speaker 4: Okay, I mentioned the name because he is part of

47:43 Speaker 4: the original story.

47:44 Speaker 2: He is and he also is like one of the

47:46 Speaker 2: biggest in South America for this the show is arguably

47:51 Speaker 2: like the coast to coast of that, you know what

47:55 Speaker 2: I mean. So he's got the big platform, that's where

47:57 Speaker 2: people are going to go.

47:58 Speaker 4: I mean, I was on you know, the news down

48:00 Speaker 4: in Mexico along with Third Phase, couple other people at

48:03 Speaker 4: one point, and we air to fifty five million homes

48:05 Speaker 4: in Mexico.

48:07 Speaker 2: So that isn't look at this stuff differently. Yes, they

48:09 Speaker 2: do culturally differently.

48:11 Speaker 4: Well, they exalt with him rather than you know, going

48:14 Speaker 4: against the grain. But then again, Mexico has had its

48:17 Speaker 4: share of understandings far beyond what the American public has

48:21 Speaker 4: been given.

48:22 Speaker 3: Note of absolutely, and there are other countries like that too.

48:24 Speaker 2: So okay, so Himusan is involved. So they go on

48:31 Speaker 2: the show.

48:32 Speaker 3: They go on the show.

48:33 Speaker 4: Jonathan puts the link on, and what happens is if

48:37 Speaker 4: you look on the underside of the link, there are

48:38 Speaker 4: these little holes and these pins actually come out and

48:42 Speaker 4: connect directly to your nervous system. And this is not

48:44 Speaker 4: a pleasurable experience because it starts here and then there's

48:47 Speaker 4: a burning that goes all the way up into the chest.

48:49 Speaker 4: And you can see the agony that Jonathan is in

48:52 Speaker 4: when he's undergoing this transformation.

48:54 Speaker 3: Immediately he turns.

48:56 Speaker 4: Into a ball of white light and disappears. I'm sorry,

49:02 Speaker 4: And now he reappears as that ball of white light

49:04 Speaker 4: and becomes the physical form again.

49:07 Speaker 3: Question is where does he go?

49:08 Speaker 4: He goes to the dimension or reality that Freddie civilization

49:12 Speaker 4: is in. And he has described this reality to me vividly.

49:18 Speaker 4: He's had many experiences going into this reality. Sometimes it's

49:22 Speaker 4: the same place. Sometimes it's in between where you can

49:25 Speaker 4: look out, let's say a window and you can see

49:27 Speaker 4: souls floating around a field waiting to be incarnated, sharing experiences, talking.

49:32 Speaker 3: About what they want to do, waiting for their.

49:35 Speaker 4: Turn to be Eslimbo that's talked about this is this

49:38 Speaker 4: is a place that he has been with this cuff link.

49:40 Speaker 4: So it's our opinion that these people that are after

49:43 Speaker 4: him they want that cuff Okay, Now Jonathan doesn't have

49:46 Speaker 4: it in his possession.

49:47 Speaker 3: He's put nine people between him and the.

49:49 Speaker 4: Cuff link because nobody can use that and he will

49:52 Speaker 4: never bring it out, He'll never show it.

49:54 Speaker 2: Why not just read the place.

49:57 Speaker 4: Well, you know, he doesn't even know where it is physically,

50:01 Speaker 4: so he's hidden it with other people so that it

50:04 Speaker 4: cannot be accessible. Unless there's an absolute emergency that's called

50:07 Speaker 4: to use that.

50:08 Speaker 2: Does he have protocols in place that if they come ye, good.

50:15 Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, all that's taken care of.

50:18 Speaker 2: And you can show me pictures of this thing. Absolutely,

50:20 Speaker 2: And I can play this video of himI Mussan if

50:24 Speaker 2: I wanted to right now.

50:26 Speaker 3: You can find it on YouTube if I if we

50:30 Speaker 3: can find it.

50:30 Speaker 2: I'm a pretty good sleuth about that, So.

50:32 Speaker 4: You can absolutely find I'll give you more details after

50:34 Speaker 4: the fact as to you know, what you can look

50:36 Speaker 4: up to to find that video, but absolutely, and it's

50:39 Speaker 4: in the movie.

50:39 Speaker 2: Too, Okay, yeah, maybe in the members only section two.

50:43 Speaker 2: We can talk a little bit, you know a little

50:46 Speaker 2: bit more, but.

50:52 Speaker 4: I mean it's to the point where that look, I've

50:54 Speaker 4: been approached by his team independently.

50:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, you said that appeared in front of you. When

51:02 Speaker 2: did this happen?

51:04 Speaker 4: So in getting to know Jonathan, I was put together

51:08 Speaker 4: with him through Doctor J Radio Live, who was Art

51:10 Speaker 4: Bell's producer from Midnight in the Desert, very good friend

51:12 Speaker 4: of mine, and Jonathan agreed to do this show with

51:15 Speaker 4: me because he had a deep relationship with Art Bell

51:20 Speaker 4: and he trusts Art Camp and those who are left,

51:23 Speaker 4: so that was kind of my in.

51:26 Speaker 3: We did our first show.

51:27 Speaker 4: It was phenomenal, and when we got back into the

51:29 Speaker 4: green room at the end of the session, you know,

51:31 Speaker 4: Jonathan said, hey, Michael, it's a couple of things I

51:34 Speaker 4: need to tell you before we go forward with anything.

51:35 Speaker 3: I said, sure, what's that?

51:37 Speaker 4: He says, Well, the first is that you might be harmed.

51:39 Speaker 4: You might be hurt being in you know, connection with me.

51:43 Speaker 4: Some of these people may come after you too.

51:45 Speaker 2: Oh right.

51:45 Speaker 3: I said, okay, well, that's not something I'm unfamiliar with.

51:48 Speaker 4: I've gotten my hand and a lot of things. I

51:50 Speaker 4: know that my phone's been tapped many times. We know

51:53 Speaker 4: these things do it comes with the territory.

51:56 Speaker 3: And he said.

51:57 Speaker 4: The second thing is that this being Freddie might appear

52:00 Speaker 4: to you. I said why.

52:01 Speaker 3: He goes, well, sometimes when you get close enough to me,

52:04 Speaker 3: they want to know who you are.

52:05 Speaker 4: I said, oh yeah, okay, sure, I take it with

52:07 Speaker 4: a grain of salt. Two weeks later, I'm in my

52:11 Speaker 4: bedroom over in Wister, Okay, playing an oculus. It's a

52:16 Speaker 4: mini golf with rich Jordanald from Goofon. We finish out

52:20 Speaker 4: the game, I put my headset down, I turn around

52:23 Speaker 4: and in my armchair is Freddy.

52:26 Speaker 3: To his left.

52:26 Speaker 4: Which really surprised me, were these three ribbon light beings.

52:31 Speaker 4: I don't know what to describe. I've never seen anything

52:34 Speaker 4: like this in my life. Literally, they looked like ribbon,

52:38 Speaker 4: about this thick but very long, and they were made

52:40 Speaker 4: of light, and they were floating about three feet off

52:42 Speaker 4: the ground. As I looked at them, I looked at Freddy.

52:45 Speaker 4: I looked at them, and instantly I tried to connect

52:49 Speaker 4: instinctively in some way, shape or form, and I realized

52:52 Speaker 4: it was like as if you were to talk to

52:53 Speaker 4: the consciousness of plants. So while there's a consciousness that's there,

52:57 Speaker 4: it's not something you could connect with in that sense.

53:00 Speaker 4: I look back at Freddie and I heard in my

53:02 Speaker 4: head again, not internal dialogue. We've had a fantastic conversation.

53:06 Speaker 3: Now it's done. They all disappear right in front of me.

53:10 Speaker 4: I've been in the paranormal world for decades and I've

53:13 Speaker 4: seen some shit bro okay, but nothing like this. I

53:17 Speaker 4: was so jostled. I stood there for ten minutes, my

53:19 Speaker 4: jaw open. I couldn't even talk to myself. I didn't

53:21 Speaker 4: know what to make of this, And when I kind

53:24 Speaker 4: of gathered myself. I said, all right, well, the first

53:26 Speaker 4: thing I'm gonna do is make sure that this isn't

53:29 Speaker 4: like some sort of influence that you know, Jonathan said

53:31 Speaker 4: he might come visit me. I wasn't thinking about it.

53:33 Speaker 4: But you know, at the same time, I'm like, well,

53:35 Speaker 4: maybe that.

53:35 Speaker 2: Is consciousness, nerve your left brain is now working all

53:40 Speaker 2: that time.

53:41 Speaker 3: Absolutely, but I needed to do that.

53:43 Speaker 4: I had to stay critical in that moment because of

53:46 Speaker 4: what I possibly just really experienced. So you know, another

53:49 Speaker 4: ten minutes go by, and finally I'm like, okay, I

53:52 Speaker 4: gotta call somebody. So I ended up talking to Rich first,

53:56 Speaker 4: and then I talked to Blake and Brent and that's eventually.

54:00 Speaker 3: Talked to doctor j about it.

54:01 Speaker 4: But those are like the three people or four people

54:04 Speaker 4: I really spoke to about this experience. I was in

54:07 Speaker 4: that mindset that I didn't you know, a lot of

54:09 Speaker 4: people get to them.

54:10 Speaker 3: I don't want people think I'm crazy. What the hell

54:12 Speaker 3: did I just seek?

54:13 Speaker 4: And so, you know, we were slated to do another

54:15 Speaker 4: interview about a week later, and I said, Jonathan, before

54:19 Speaker 4: we get into the studio, I gotta talk about something,

54:21 Speaker 4: and he goes, okay. So we get in and he goes, yeah,

54:24 Speaker 4: you want to would you want to mention? I said, well,

54:26 Speaker 4: this is what happened to me. I said, does that

54:27 Speaker 4: have anything to do with you? Immediately he just starts laughing,

54:31 Speaker 4: like we laughing at He goes, I knew he was

54:32 Speaker 4: gonna come and see you. I just don't want to

54:34 Speaker 4: tell you because I didn't want you to expect it.

54:36 Speaker 4: I said, okay, so this happened. He goes, that happened, said, no, shit.

54:40 Speaker 4: And I've seen him twice in dream and one other

54:44 Speaker 4: time he was in my house that I live in now,

54:47 Speaker 4: and it wasn't I knew he was there.

54:51 Speaker 3: I could feel his presence. I just couldn't see him.

54:53 Speaker 3: But with Freddie, I feel like.

54:56 Speaker 4: There's now a connection I have with him that cannot

54:58 Speaker 4: be severed. It's it's forever and almost in the sense.

55:02 Speaker 4: The only way I can explain this is you know

55:03 Speaker 4: you have a loved one who had passed away and

55:05 Speaker 4: you know they're around you, or you have a guardian

55:06 Speaker 4: angel that you can speak to.

55:07 Speaker 3: They're like way.

55:08 Speaker 4: Back in the distance, but they're here. That's where Freddie sits.

55:11 Speaker 4: So anytime I'm talking about him, they're aware of it.

55:14 Speaker 3: They know it.

55:16 Speaker 2: Freddy, Freddy see me. We'll have a nice chat.

55:23 Speaker 4: Yeah.

55:23 Speaker 3: A lot of people have asked me, well, how can

55:25 Speaker 3: I see him? Can you send him to me? It's

55:27 Speaker 3: not my decision, never was, it's theirs.

55:30 Speaker 4: You have to be open to it at least at least,

55:32 Speaker 4: but then they have to select you.

55:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so good point.

55:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I feel very honored Freddy.

55:38 Speaker 2: I very marge gift worthy. If I'm like, you know,

55:43 Speaker 2: if I can lift the door's hammer.

55:45 Speaker 3: I think they're looking for a certain.

55:50 Speaker 4: Genuine affect and a person when it comes to talking

55:52 Speaker 4: about this, because Freddy is, like I said, not actra terrestrial.

55:56 Speaker 3: He's actually us from a timeline in the future.

55:59 Speaker 2: Oh okay, so good, thank you. I was gonna say, so,

56:03 Speaker 2: talk to me about where Freddy's from and what are

56:11 Speaker 2: the details. What does he look Let's start by what

56:13 Speaker 2: does he look like? Well, does he look like that

56:16 Speaker 2: like the archetypal alien.

56:19 Speaker 4: He doesn't look like your typical gray. He looks like

56:21 Speaker 4: more of a cross of something else. But he's still

56:24 Speaker 4: more likely in the species that we would.

56:27 Speaker 3: Call the gray.

56:28 Speaker 4: But he is biological and yet he has a cyborg

56:31 Speaker 4: component as well.

56:32 Speaker 3: Right, created for a purpose.

56:34 Speaker 4: It's not like they just birth, you know, at random,

56:38 Speaker 4: and like we do, and you know, you have your

56:40 Speaker 4: life and you live out. You're actually bred for a

56:41 Speaker 4: specific reason and you're produced in a laboratory type setting

56:44 Speaker 4: the way we would see it.

56:45 Speaker 2: So they're essentially creating almost like so it's probably this

56:51 Speaker 2: advanced biological where we're heading right, like with things like

57:00 Speaker 2: chrisper gene editing, but kind of programming that along with

57:05 Speaker 2: AI and you know, the merging of technology and biology

57:09 Speaker 2: is they're probably like light years ahead in that regard.

57:13 Speaker 2: So they're able to create these bodies that are able

57:17 Speaker 2: to have souls anchor to them, right because I would

57:21 Speaker 2: assume you have to have some sort of biological component

57:24 Speaker 2: for the soul to want it even or to be

57:26 Speaker 2: able to even enter.

57:27 Speaker 3: I would imagine the way that you would, But I

57:29 Speaker 3: don't know. Because these species that are.

57:32 Speaker 4: So highly advanced, death is not something that they experience.

57:36 Speaker 4: They choose when they're born, they choose when they.

57:37 Speaker 2: Go really that's it.

57:39 Speaker 4: They superseded death a long time ago, so the natural

57:41 Speaker 4: cycle of life is not something they adhere to. And

57:45 Speaker 4: they exist more within the higher vibrations than the one

57:49 Speaker 4: that we sit in right now third dimensionally, even though

57:52 Speaker 4: there is an avatar of a component that does exist

57:54 Speaker 4: in this third dimension, they more or less sit on

57:56 Speaker 4: a higher vibration. So Freddie, according to him, is from

58:01 Speaker 4: one of the deeper recesses of our oceans, and a

58:04 Speaker 4: lot of these species do live in these cavernous underground

58:08 Speaker 4: underwater you know, areas and the places that we simply

58:12 Speaker 4: could never reach with anything that we have, at least

58:15 Speaker 4: for now.

58:16 Speaker 2: Yeah. We talked about this last episode that we know

58:19 Speaker 2: more about the surface of the Moon than we do

58:23 Speaker 2: our deepest ocean. Yeah, and we like the Marianas Trench

58:26 Speaker 2: and stuff like. You want to tell me that you

58:29 Speaker 2: that that you are confident that nothing's down there that

58:35 Speaker 2: we don't know about. You're you're confident in telling me that.

58:38 Speaker 3: That's as confident as me telling you there's nothing out

58:40 Speaker 3: in space in terms of life.

58:41 Speaker 2: Right, it's you know, yeah, I mean you've never the

58:45 Speaker 2: pressure is far too far too like we can't even

58:51 Speaker 2: fathom it. It's like this boat, this titan, the capsule

58:55 Speaker 2: that went down there. And you know what idiot decides

59:00 Speaker 2: to build something in fiber like fire, like, yeah, let

59:05 Speaker 2: me just build my the only thing separating me between

59:10 Speaker 2: you know, tons and tons and tons of pressure and

59:15 Speaker 2: the sea and I'll just go down in this made

59:18 Speaker 2: of fiber fiber is not it's valuable, like inherently it's fibers, right,

59:27 Speaker 2: and like, what's that? What's that fiber stuff? That? Uh, glass,

59:33 Speaker 2: fiber fiberglass. He made his thing out of fiberglass because

59:37 Speaker 2: it was cheaper. It's like, you shouldn't be cutting costs

59:41 Speaker 2: on that. That's the only thing that's keeping you alive.

59:44 Speaker 2: And that's why that You could just have ever heard

59:47 Speaker 2: the audio from it. You just hear things popping pop pop.

59:50 Speaker 2: That's the fibers, boom boom. So they just had to

59:54 Speaker 2: listen while the world ended around them. That's haunting, absolute tragedy.

1:00:00 Speaker 4: But yeah, once again, you know, there are many things

1:00:02 Speaker 4: that could have been done differently to avert that and.

1:00:05 Speaker 2: The greed of man.

1:00:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well, going back to that idea, I think

1:00:09 Speaker 4: that you're absolutely right about that.

1:00:10 Speaker 2: The greed of man. He was cutting costs so he

1:00:14 Speaker 2: could get billionaires down there quicker and fucked with the

1:00:18 Speaker 2: safety of it. Oh, absolutely cut corners. This is an

1:00:23 Speaker 2: episode about that. Sorry, it just pisses me off that

1:00:25 Speaker 2: he did that because he killed people, killed a kid.

1:00:28 Speaker 3: Yep.

1:00:31 Speaker 2: But where were.

1:00:33 Speaker 4: We Well, yeah, I think I wanted to mention about

1:00:36 Speaker 4: you know, Freddy living.

1:00:37 Speaker 2: Oh right, Freddy.

1:00:39 Speaker 4: When Jonathan brought Freddie home, he took bone graphs, skin graphs,

1:00:44 Speaker 4: and blood samples and he had those shipped off to university. Okay,

1:00:48 Speaker 4: there's a story around that, but I'll save that for

1:00:50 Speaker 4: another time. Long story short, they did come back those

1:00:54 Speaker 4: analytics and it turns out that out of the forty

1:00:56 Speaker 4: eight chromosomes that you know, biological beings have atually, you know,

1:01:00 Speaker 4: human beings, forty were a.

1:01:04 Speaker 3: Match for us.

1:01:05 Speaker 4: We shared forty of the same chromosomes. The other eight

1:01:08 Speaker 4: were split between dolphin and sea turtle. I got to

1:01:12 Speaker 4: think about where he's saying he lives, and if they're

1:01:15 Speaker 4: pulling stuff out of the environment, O guy to create

1:01:19 Speaker 4: this biological life.

1:01:21 Speaker 3: This makes sense.

1:01:22 Speaker 2: Dolphins are hyper intelligent. Sea turtles last longevity. You have

1:01:32 Speaker 2: longevity and intellect.

1:01:35 Speaker 4: Not to mention that dolphins are very connected to source.

1:01:38 Speaker 3: At least that's the way it goes Jesus Christ. So

1:01:42 Speaker 3: there are a lot of details about this case that

1:01:44 Speaker 3: simply cannot.

1:01:45 Speaker 2: So he's a few So you know that kind of

1:01:51 Speaker 2: like aligns with the cycle of life, if you will, right,

1:01:54 Speaker 2: because out of the oceans we emerged, right if you

1:01:58 Speaker 2: want to go with that, like I'm not I'm sure

1:02:01 Speaker 2: that true. That is they say we came out of

1:02:04 Speaker 2: the water and you know, then evolved and you know

1:02:11 Speaker 2: here we are today, and that then we go back

1:02:16 Speaker 2: to the water for some reason, and that's why our

1:02:21 Speaker 2: eyes get bigger, right, because the sun is far far

1:02:27 Speaker 2: less effective and right down there it's still there, but

1:02:31 Speaker 2: it's not as prevalent. So you need to adapt to

1:02:34 Speaker 2: a darker environment one of water. It made it totally

1:02:38 Speaker 2: would make sense and fit that like kind of like

1:02:43 Speaker 2: that model exactly. So so there us from the future,

1:02:47 Speaker 2: but they live here now. But there is another place

1:02:53 Speaker 2: you said that they so doctor Jonathan put the link

1:02:56 Speaker 2: on and so then what he went into the water

1:02:59 Speaker 2: on earth?

1:03:00 Speaker 4: See, that's that's a tough one to answer because you know,

1:03:03 Speaker 4: while we sit here we can talk about this, we

1:03:05 Speaker 4: still can't quantify what that dimension actually was. You know,

1:03:08 Speaker 4: Jonathan can talk about it and describe it, and you

1:03:11 Speaker 4: know he saw these you know, very large forty to

1:03:13 Speaker 4: fifty foot pillar beings of light that had the consciousness

1:03:17 Speaker 4: of what you would call christ You know, they're on

1:03:20 Speaker 4: that fourth, fifth, sixth dimensional intelligence and consciousness level. But

1:03:26 Speaker 4: there's an entire civilization, and who knows if they're actually

1:03:29 Speaker 4: swimming around in the water, if they have some sort

1:03:31 Speaker 4: of breathable air and you know, contained units. I don't

1:03:34 Speaker 4: know exactly what that looks like. And maybe Jonathan could

1:03:36 Speaker 4: answer that a little bit more clearly. But you know,

1:03:39 Speaker 4: you got to think again non linearly in this. Just

1:03:43 Speaker 4: because you know we're in this space doesn't mean that

1:03:46 Speaker 4: there isn't something else utilizing the same space in a

1:03:48 Speaker 4: different vibration. In fact, that's the way I look at

1:03:50 Speaker 4: reality built on a level of height, rather than something

1:03:54 Speaker 4: that goes horizontally, the way we look at times.

1:03:57 Speaker 2: Layered like an onion, right, rather than flat like flat Earth?

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1:07:32 Speaker 2: super excited. This has been such a fantastic conversation. You know,

1:07:38 Speaker 2: we were talking about things, you know, where should we

1:07:41 Speaker 2: go next? And you had mentioned mon Talk. Now, I

1:07:48 Speaker 2: think a lot of people now kind of go, oh,

1:07:50 Speaker 2: it's a Stranger Things thing, you know. Can you tell

1:07:54 Speaker 2: us the mon talk story.

1:07:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give you an abbreviated version, because this is

1:07:59 Speaker 4: something that really has no end when you get down

1:08:02 Speaker 4: to it and you talk about going down a rabbit hole,

1:08:03 Speaker 4: this is the biggest one you can find. Yes, So yes,

1:08:09 Speaker 4: the Montalk project has been amplified in terms of interest

1:08:13 Speaker 4: because of Stranger Things Initially, when I was talking to

1:08:17 Speaker 4: the mon Talk historian Brian Minnick, we kind of both

1:08:20 Speaker 4: have the consensus that this wasn't a great thing because,

1:08:23 Speaker 4: you know, it was bringing other people around that didn't

1:08:25 Speaker 4: really necessarily have the respect for what had happened at Campiro,

1:08:29 Speaker 4: didn't have the full story. They were, you know, printing

1:08:31 Speaker 4: out falsities within their narrative. So, you know, again, at

1:08:36 Speaker 4: first we kind of looked at this and thought, well,

1:08:37 Speaker 4: this is more of a negative thing in terms of publicity.

1:08:39 Speaker 4: But as time has gone on, I've noticed that anytime

1:08:44 Speaker 4: I bring up the Montalk Project, I can connect people

1:08:48 Speaker 4: with this idea through stranger things.

1:08:49 Speaker 3: So I met just stranger things like, oh yeah.

1:08:51 Speaker 4: I know that show, So all right, the first season

1:08:53 Speaker 4: is essentially what was happening to kids in Montalk pretty

1:08:56 Speaker 4: spot on. Yeah, I mean, the conditioning, the reprogramming, all

1:09:00 Speaker 4: that you see eleven go through was a very small

1:09:03 Speaker 4: sliver of what actually happened. But I've held the original

1:09:06 Speaker 4: script in my hand, and it was actually I've held

1:09:10 Speaker 4: in my hand. I've read it, and you know, I

1:09:13 Speaker 4: don't understand exactly why there are reasons that are given

1:09:16 Speaker 4: they went a different direction instead of using Montalk, but

1:09:20 Speaker 4: that's where the inspiration is from, as you know. So

1:09:23 Speaker 4: the Montalk project, we have the accounts of essentially three people,

1:09:28 Speaker 4: but I'll include the fourth because he was part of

1:09:30 Speaker 4: that story. You have Preston Nichols, Al Dunk excuse me,

1:09:33 Speaker 4: Duncan Cameron and al Bailck. And then of course you

1:09:36 Speaker 4: have Peter Moon, who was ancillary in helping to write

1:09:40 Speaker 4: the books with Preston. I've hung out with Peter Moon,

1:09:44 Speaker 4: I've gone to Campiro with him. He's in my first

1:09:47 Speaker 4: documentary on Montalk, and you know, I spent personal time.

1:09:50 Speaker 3: With him as well.

1:09:52 Speaker 4: He does believe that what was expressed through these three

1:09:57 Speaker 4: individuals more than likely did happen. Does he believe that

1:10:01 Speaker 4: it happened exactly the way that these individuals had recounted. No,

1:10:04 Speaker 4: and nobody really should because there's a lot to unpack

1:10:11 Speaker 4: when it comes through this, and we're talking about deep

1:10:13 Speaker 4: seated memories that they're relying on. There's very little physical

1:10:18 Speaker 4: evidence that this actually happened. But anecdotally, I've gotten to

1:10:23 Speaker 4: the bottom of this as far as I think I

1:10:25 Speaker 4: can go talking to locals and people that were around

1:10:29 Speaker 4: during that time. Everybody in Montauk either has a story

1:10:32 Speaker 4: about how they're involved, or they know somebody that was involved,

1:10:36 Speaker 4: or they knew somebody who was in the Gifted and

1:10:37 Speaker 4: Talented program, Talented Gifted, whatever it is, where they were

1:10:41 Speaker 4: taking kids in and doing this stuff. Now, initially they

1:10:45 Speaker 4: kind of went to military families. So if you were,

1:10:48 Speaker 4: you know, a family that had active people in the military,

1:10:51 Speaker 4: they'd come to you and say, hey, listen, we have

1:10:52 Speaker 4: an opportunity.

1:10:54 Speaker 3: You know, we need your child to participate.

1:10:55 Speaker 4: This is going to be for the betterment of the country,

1:10:57 Speaker 4: this thing, and people would dish out their kids not

1:11:00 Speaker 4: realizing that. I guess the number has grown to about

1:11:03 Speaker 4: three hundred thousand that was suspected to have died in Campiro.

1:11:10 Speaker 4: The whole experiment itself was empirical, so you know, let's

1:11:13 Speaker 4: just say one aspect of it.

1:11:15 Speaker 3: You'd sit in a chair.

1:11:16 Speaker 4: The Sage radar system that's on the base, the last

1:11:18 Speaker 4: one left in the world. It just happened to be

1:11:21 Speaker 4: the right frequency to create mind control frequencies, is how

1:11:25 Speaker 4: this whole thing began. And then they were experimenting with

1:11:28 Speaker 4: other oscillations and frequencies outside of that, just to see

1:11:31 Speaker 4: what would happen and the effect on the human body.

1:11:34 Speaker 4: So you'd be sitting in a chair and they'd beam

1:11:37 Speaker 4: a certain set of frequencies at you.

1:11:39 Speaker 3: See what happened.

1:11:40 Speaker 4: Maybe you fried, maybe something else happened, And if you died,

1:11:43 Speaker 4: they just pull you out of the chair, kick you aside,

1:11:45 Speaker 4: and put somebody else in it and dial up one

1:11:47 Speaker 4: more and see what happens.

1:11:48 Speaker 3: Now we'll record it. So again, the empirical nature of

1:11:51 Speaker 3: this experiment.

1:11:52 Speaker 4: Was absolutely horrific, and there was a lot of life

1:11:57 Speaker 4: lost allegedly within this project. But we go into time travel,

1:12:02 Speaker 4: we go into time dilation. We talk about removing the

1:12:04 Speaker 4: soul from the body, putting in a silicon based computer,

1:12:07 Speaker 4: reprogramming it, putting it back into the body. One thing

1:12:10 Speaker 4: I'm gonna mention, and I've said this for many years.

1:12:14 Speaker 4: You know, a lot of these ideas of what technology

1:12:16 Speaker 4: was used in the Montark project, it just seemed to

1:12:18 Speaker 4: be utter pure fantasy. Okay, some Star Trek kind of stuff.

1:12:22 Speaker 4: Long story short. I always said, watch, you're going to

1:12:25 Speaker 4: see that technology implemented into the public at some point,

1:12:29 Speaker 4: and it's going to be used for something different or

1:12:31 Speaker 4: something similar, but it's not weaponized.

1:12:33 Speaker 3: It's just now going to be out there.

1:12:35 Speaker 2: It's yeah, its way into the public sector in some way,

1:12:38 Speaker 2: a form or fashion.

1:12:39 Speaker 4: And usually these are privatized organizations using this type of technology.

1:12:42 Speaker 4: You talk about skunk Words, you talk about you know,

1:12:44 Speaker 4: Lockheed Martin, you talk about Bigelow, all these different you know,

1:12:47 Speaker 4: facets of companies that they're going to use this technology.

1:12:51 Speaker 3: They have the first dib on it.

1:12:53 Speaker 4: And recently I've been coming across articles where they're talking

1:12:57 Speaker 4: about by twenty forty five, there will be an option

1:13:00 Speaker 4: where they can extract your essence, your soul, whatever you

1:13:03 Speaker 4: want to call it, put it in a silicon based computer,

1:13:06 Speaker 4: give you a new body, put you back in. Okay,

1:13:09 Speaker 4: by twenty forty five, that's going to be available to

1:13:11 Speaker 4: the elites. By twenty fifty five, that'll be available to

1:13:15 Speaker 4: the common person. Now, there's a huge uproar in the

1:13:18 Speaker 4: scientific community based on morality because.

1:13:20 Speaker 2: That's transhumanist, very much so.

1:13:23 Speaker 3: And at the same time, we're sort of cheating.

1:13:26 Speaker 4: Death now, right, so we achieve a type of immortality

1:13:30 Speaker 4: that people are really nervous about.

1:13:31 Speaker 3: And I understand that.

1:13:33 Speaker 2: So, but this is if we say that Freddy's thing

1:13:36 Speaker 2: is real, right, and they've also essentially cured death. I

1:13:44 Speaker 2: don't like to death is not a disease transcended, but

1:13:48 Speaker 2: trans thank you, transcended death. Right, this is like what

1:13:54 Speaker 2: that sounds like is the crudest form of that. Right,

1:13:58 Speaker 2: it's the first step. It's the chat GPT of AI. Yes, Right,

1:14:04 Speaker 2: it's the l l l l M Large Language Model

1:14:09 Speaker 2: of AI. It's the the entry point. Right, is this like,

1:14:14 Speaker 2: all right, we'll upload you onto computer and then we'll

1:14:16 Speaker 2: put you spring you back into a different body. Right,

1:14:19 Speaker 2: Whereas they've if you're if it's true, they've just solved

1:14:23 Speaker 2: it to the point where you have one body, right

1:14:26 Speaker 2: and you just live for you know, you decide your time.

1:14:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they've gone well beyond what we could

1:14:31 Speaker 3: an Right.

1:14:32 Speaker 2: But again you see these exponential points right like these

1:14:38 Speaker 2: where you could see there, it's like the technology is there,

1:14:41 Speaker 2: it's just different stages of it. Right, And we're on

1:14:45 Speaker 2: the precipice of And maybe that's why there's a lot

1:14:49 Speaker 2: more interaction now, is we are on the precipice. Maybe

1:14:54 Speaker 2: you know, the nuclear bomb, we've seen that there's a

1:14:58 Speaker 2: correlation between these beings, you know, interacting with our nuclear sites, right,

1:15:09 Speaker 2: ever since the Trinity tests, and you know Hiroshima and Nagasaki,

1:15:15 Speaker 2: there's been an unprecedented and very very dramatic increase in sightings.

1:15:23 Speaker 2: It's statistical, absolutely right. So was that the first bell

1:15:30 Speaker 2: that's wrung and then the second bell is AI?

1:15:34 Speaker 3: Well?

1:15:34 Speaker 4: The scary thing about all this, and I'm glad you

1:15:36 Speaker 4: brought this up because it's something I did want to

1:15:38 Speaker 4: talk about.

1:15:38 Speaker 3: You know, in Freddy.

1:15:40 Speaker 4: Coming back to Jonathan, he's bringing messages to him every time,

1:15:43 Speaker 4: and he's giving him dire warnings too, because essentially, as

1:15:48 Speaker 4: I mentioned Freddy being us from a future timeline or

1:15:51 Speaker 4: what have you, they made the same mistakes that we're

1:15:54 Speaker 4: making right now, especially when it comes to AI. They

1:15:58 Speaker 4: leaned very heavily on AI to the point where they

1:16:00 Speaker 4: just let AI do everything. So they lost a certain

1:16:04 Speaker 4: type of humanity that we naturally possess in exchange for

1:16:08 Speaker 4: an easier existence.

1:16:09 Speaker 3: With AI, and you know, a model that was automatic.

1:16:14 Speaker 4: So the problem is, I mean, I can talk about

1:16:18 Speaker 4: this till I'm blue in the face, Johnathan, and talk

1:16:19 Speaker 4: about this. You can talk about this, but right now,

1:16:22 Speaker 4: it's not going to change our trajectory when we're using

1:16:24 Speaker 4: AI or the intention behind what we're going to do

1:16:27 Speaker 4: with it or what we have done with it already.

1:16:29 Speaker 2: Like guys like Peter Thiel, guys like Sam Altman, they're

1:16:33 Speaker 2: not going to stop because we the pleabs in the

1:16:37 Speaker 2: lower class to them, say got hey, this is ethically questionable.

1:16:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it comes back to what you said, man's greed.

1:16:47 Speaker 2: Man's greed. Man's man's unapologetic lunging into the unknown without

1:17:02 Speaker 2: understanding the ramification when we should be crawling instead of

1:17:09 Speaker 2: full sprint. Right, these guys, have you seen the trailer

1:17:13 Speaker 2: for that? Like it's like the AI Apocalypse documentary.

1:17:17 Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not sure.

1:17:19 Speaker 2: These guys all that are the originators of AI, he

1:17:23 Speaker 2: asked the documentary, and documentary documentarian Cheese asks them each

1:17:34 Speaker 2: and the way they cut it, it's perfect, but it's

1:17:37 Speaker 2: also haunting because each person he's talking to, they're at

1:17:42 Speaker 2: the head of these AI tech giant companies, and he says,

1:17:46 Speaker 2: can you guarantee this doesn't lead to the extinction of humanity?

1:17:53 Speaker 2: Each one of them says, unfortunately, I can't make that promise.

1:17:59 Speaker 3: That's right in.

1:18:01 Speaker 2: Secession, like five or seven of them boom, all saying

1:18:05 Speaker 2: the same thing. I can't like almost like it's scripted,

1:18:09 Speaker 2: Like I'm sorry, I can't make that promise. They know

1:18:13 Speaker 2: that what they we might be running to our.

1:18:17 Speaker 4: Death, but you know why they don't care about that

1:18:20 Speaker 4: because of man's creed.

1:18:22 Speaker 3: That's the simple answer.

1:18:24 Speaker 4: Right, there's a lot of evidence that we've already moved

1:18:28 Speaker 4: off planet, a lot of evidence.

1:18:30 Speaker 2: So like the Secret Space Program, we can go that

1:18:32 Speaker 2: direction because I mean, bring this full circle, mon talk

1:18:39 Speaker 2: your essentially creating kids that have superpowers.

1:18:45 Speaker 3: Right, there was a line that yes, this.

1:18:47 Speaker 2: Consciousness based like ability. You know, of course they made

1:18:52 Speaker 2: it look a little bit weirder and stranger things where

1:18:54 Speaker 2: she's like moving things of their mind, and there's probably

1:18:57 Speaker 2: an element of that, but I don't think think, you know,

1:19:02 Speaker 2: like the superhero element that they added in dramatization of

1:19:06 Speaker 2: strange things is like the true thing. I think it's

1:19:10 Speaker 2: like they were really conducting experiments on like consciousness and

1:19:15 Speaker 2: how it can be molded with kids because they're susceptible.

1:19:20 Speaker 2: They're not locked in. So if you find out that

1:19:23 Speaker 2: the soul's not anchored till puberty, well then you're gonna

1:19:25 Speaker 2: get want a bunch of pre pubescent kids. That's right

1:19:29 Speaker 2: to fuck around with right to to mold and that

1:19:36 Speaker 2: leads to whatever comes next and to whatever comes after that.

1:19:40 Speaker 2: And you know, soldiers in the battlefield with enhancements, and

1:19:44 Speaker 2: that leads to that's at least how they're thinking, right, yes,

1:19:48 Speaker 2: and eventually we get to this place and that's what

1:19:51 Speaker 2: we are now, where everything's compartmentalized, siloed zero point energy

1:19:56 Speaker 2: is locked in in a skiff. Right, what if we

1:20:09 Speaker 2: are off planet and if we are conducting the secret

1:20:14 Speaker 2: space program. I think all of these things are connected.

1:20:17 Speaker 3: They are.

1:20:17 Speaker 4: And it all begins really with Montalk, and there are

1:20:20 Speaker 4: a lot of sister projects that branched out. Montalk wasn't

1:20:23 Speaker 4: the only project of its type going on at the time.

1:20:25 Speaker 4: There was a parallel project over in Russia.

1:20:27 Speaker 3: I know for sure.

1:20:28 Speaker 4: They had a similar psychic chair that you could sit

1:20:30 Speaker 4: in and make things manifest, whether that's a can of

1:20:33 Speaker 4: beer or it's you know.

1:20:35 Speaker 3: A portal that you walk.

1:20:36 Speaker 2: Was this a Soviet Union or Russia?

1:20:39 Speaker 4: It was more likely the Soviet Union at the time.

1:20:41 Speaker 4: I'm just that's what I understand. So it's over there

1:20:44 Speaker 4: in that area in that country, they were doing the

1:20:46 Speaker 4: same thing.

1:20:47 Speaker 2: Well, Cold War era, you know, we were fighting that's

1:20:52 Speaker 2: the thing. We're just we're racing Russia.

1:20:55 Speaker 4: And we had time to do that because it was

1:20:58 Speaker 4: no actual conflict. There was always a threat of conflict,

1:21:00 Speaker 4: but it never came. So they spent that time doing

1:21:03 Speaker 4: more research and stuff along those lines. But you know,

1:21:06 Speaker 4: you mentioned, you know, maybe the superhero thing wasn't necessarily

1:21:10 Speaker 4: an aspect.

1:21:11 Speaker 3: We got to keep in mind.

1:21:12 Speaker 4: There was an individual by the name of Andy Parrow

1:21:14 Speaker 4: who was in Project Superman, and one of the tasks

1:21:18 Speaker 4: that he was meant to do was you'd start on

1:21:21 Speaker 4: a stool, You stand on the stool, you shut your eyes,

1:21:24 Speaker 4: and you jump off of it. But what was not

1:21:28 Speaker 4: understood at the time as the subject is that every

1:21:30 Speaker 4: time you stood in that stool, it got taller and taller.

1:21:32 Speaker 3: You just didn't know it.

1:21:34 Speaker 4: So they conditioned the mind to believe the reality wanted

1:21:38 Speaker 4: to experience. And so at some point he was jumping

1:21:41 Speaker 4: off of bridges and not getting injured.

1:21:45 Speaker 2: But if he was to get the mindset was like,

1:21:47 Speaker 2: it's a stool.

1:21:49 Speaker 4: His mind was literally manifesting that reality, so he would

1:21:52 Speaker 4: experience it as just jumping off of a stool.

1:21:54 Speaker 2: That's you know, the conditioning.

1:21:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the.

1:21:57 Speaker 4: Conditioning, sob was there was a limit, so there was

1:22:03 Speaker 4: one jump that he made and he ended up breaking

1:22:04 Speaker 4: a leg. But according to people like Andrew Bijago, who

1:22:09 Speaker 4: was definitely part of Montalk, but he was also part

1:22:13 Speaker 4: of other projects I won't get into at the moment,

1:22:16 Speaker 4: he would say that there was a meditation that you

1:22:18 Speaker 4: would go into and you were conditioned to do this

1:22:21 Speaker 4: where you would actually reprogram your body to.

1:22:24 Speaker 3: Heal through the mind.

1:22:25 Speaker 4: And I actually listened to him talking about this meditation

1:22:29 Speaker 4: and going through it, and oddly enough, I found myself

1:22:33 Speaker 4: in some of these different colored rooms within my internal

1:22:38 Speaker 4: if you will, I actually saw what these looked like.

1:22:41 Speaker 4: So you know, maybe one room was red light and

1:22:44 Speaker 4: you walk in there, there'd be a small bathtub and

1:22:47 Speaker 4: you get into that bathtub, you know, in your meditation,

1:22:50 Speaker 4: and this would actually heal your physical body, so they

1:22:53 Speaker 4: could physically heal themselves after a certain point very consciously. Wow, well,

1:23:01 Speaker 4: beyond all this stuff. I sat down with a top

1:23:04 Speaker 4: Air Force official at a point and I asked him

1:23:07 Speaker 4: point blank, I said, listen, this is a couple of

1:23:09 Speaker 4: years ago. Said I understand, we have technology the people

1:23:14 Speaker 4: that's one hundred years behind what the military has, or

1:23:16 Speaker 4: at least that's what he used to be twenty years ago.

1:23:19 Speaker 3: What are we looking at now? And he looks at me.

1:23:21 Speaker 3: He goes, it's beyond anything you can imagine.

1:23:23 Speaker 4: I said, wait a minute, I can imagine teleportation, I

1:23:25 Speaker 4: can imagine time travel, I can imagine XYZ. Are you

1:23:30 Speaker 4: saying the secret space program actually has validity? He looks

1:23:32 Speaker 4: at me and he goes, yes, it's beyond anything you

1:23:35 Speaker 4: can imagine.

1:23:36 Speaker 2: Well. Famously, Ben Rich the second director of Lockheed, the

1:23:46 Speaker 2: successor to the original Lockheed. Do we know his name?

1:23:50 Speaker 2: So the first director of Lockheed, second director of Lockey

1:23:55 Speaker 2: was Ben Rich, and he was given a great producer,

1:23:58 Speaker 2: you are gien, I ask you a question. He goes,

1:24:03 Speaker 2: I don't fucking know. Thanks guys, Thanks guys, great job.

1:24:13 Speaker 2: Any times, stay with that. I'll probably take that out.

1:24:20 Speaker 2: But ben Rich gave this talk and he had retired

1:24:25 Speaker 2: from Lockheed Skunkwirks Division, which he was ahead of, and

1:24:31 Speaker 2: he said, so he's doing this presentation and at the

1:24:34 Speaker 2: end of the presentation there's witnesses to it too. UFO

1:24:41 Speaker 2: like this craft, this triangular craft flies outside of the

1:24:47 Speaker 2: Earth's atmosphere and blasts off into this into space, and

1:24:52 Speaker 2: he ends the talk by saying, we now have the

1:24:55 Speaker 2: technology to take et home.

1:24:57 Speaker 3: Yes, I remember that.

1:24:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, So.

1:25:03 Speaker 3: They give us a little hints, and then there's the the.

1:25:08 Speaker 2: McKinnon, Gary McKinnon, the non terrestrial officers, and then they

1:25:16 Speaker 2: tried tooth and nail. The United States government fought tooth

1:25:21 Speaker 2: and nail to extradite him because he ran a Pearl script,

1:25:27 Speaker 2: which is essentially he's not like a hacker. He wrote

1:25:31 Speaker 2: a Pearl script which essentially just scans for either government,

1:25:36 Speaker 2: So it scans for servers for either having no password

1:25:41 Speaker 2: or password is the password. It's a pretty basic programming.

1:25:45 Speaker 2: It's a Pearl script, so it just runs itself into

1:25:47 Speaker 2: like so it's going into d d any any website,

1:25:51 Speaker 2: any it's gonna log into, try to log into everything.

1:25:54 Speaker 2: And he got into because back in the early nineties

1:25:58 Speaker 2: or mid nineties, like cybersecurity was very loss. So he

1:26:03 Speaker 2: ended up getting into like the NASA server with this

1:26:07 Speaker 2: Pearl scripts and then you know back you know, you

1:26:10 Speaker 2: guys remember or probably us three, remember when you would

1:26:16 Speaker 2: load a picture on AOL and it would come up

1:26:18 Speaker 2: and like think like it would come up with strips. Yeah,

1:26:22 Speaker 2: so it could dial up internet, right, So he's looking

1:26:26 Speaker 2: at he's like, you know, maybe he's got five minutes

1:26:30 Speaker 2: inside of the remote desktop. So he's inside. He's fucking scouring, right,

1:26:37 Speaker 2: and he comes across a file that says non terrestrial

1:26:42 Speaker 2: officers and he clicks on it, and the first picture

1:26:44 Speaker 2: that starts to load is this list of names that

1:26:49 Speaker 2: were off they were labeled non terrestrial officers and what

1:26:53 Speaker 2: does that say to you? And then there was the

1:26:56 Speaker 2: ship names and they were all ship names that weren't ships.

1:27:01 Speaker 2: They weren't like sea ships, they were not on record

1:27:05 Speaker 2: as being like it wasn't like the the Eisenhower where

1:27:10 Speaker 2: you can look it up and be like, okay, that's a.

1:27:12 Speaker 3: Dog, you know.

1:27:13 Speaker 2: Yeah. So then he clicks on something else and a

1:27:18 Speaker 2: picture starts to slowly load slowly, and it's he sees

1:27:23 Speaker 2: the Earth. He knows it's a planet, he doesn't know

1:27:25 Speaker 2: it's Earth yet, but he sees the horizon of the planet.

1:27:29 Speaker 2: And then this triangle craft starts to come into frame,

1:27:33 Speaker 2: but again it's loading like dial uploads, bing, bing bing,

1:27:38 Speaker 2: and he gets about halfway and then someone the mouse

1:27:42 Speaker 2: starts moving yep, and he's not moving it. So he

1:27:45 Speaker 2: knows his goose is cooked, right, and then it just

1:27:48 Speaker 2: the mouse moves and right as it's about to load

1:27:51 Speaker 2: the full thing, and it's like a movie, it clicks out.

1:27:54 Speaker 2: It disconnects, like someone disconnected it from the office, because

1:27:59 Speaker 2: they clearly knew they had a breach and someone had

1:28:02 Speaker 2: breached it. And then up until Obama, they were trying

1:28:07 Speaker 2: to extradite this guy from for for that, and they

1:28:13 Speaker 2: spent lots of money trying to get him. And then

1:28:16 Speaker 2: his home country. I forget if it's the UK or

1:28:19 Speaker 2: if it's somewhere else, but I think it's the UK.

1:28:23 Speaker 2: They wouldn't. They were like, it's it's it's unconstitutional because

1:28:29 Speaker 2: we know that you guys are going to overcharge this guy,

1:28:34 Speaker 2: like the punishment will not fit the crime, and we

1:28:39 Speaker 2: can't do that to our citizen. We're not going to

1:28:41 Speaker 2: extrade him, and that's an ally of ours saying listen,

1:28:44 Speaker 2: we're not doing it. So they were pissed. So if

1:28:48 Speaker 2: he ever sets foot on American soil, he has a

1:28:51 Speaker 2: warrant for his arrest. Still to this day, if he

1:28:53 Speaker 2: sets foot on American soil, he will be detained and

1:28:56 Speaker 2: he will he will go the way of snowdon if

1:29:00 Speaker 2: ever came back. That's crazy.

1:29:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they do. He was a kid, and

1:29:05 Speaker 3: he's still lucky to be where he is today. Yeah

1:29:07 Speaker 3: with Edward, you know.

1:29:08 Speaker 2: What I mean, he's lucky then and cuts them back

1:29:10 Speaker 2: to our deal to make a real fucking example of this.

1:29:15 Speaker 2: But this is what I mean. And this is like,

1:29:18 Speaker 2: because there's this big conversation about oh, whistleblowers, like we

1:29:22 Speaker 2: need to have one. That's like, they just need to

1:29:24 Speaker 2: tell us everything. That kid, that kid got into an

1:29:32 Speaker 2: open NASSA server almost loaded a picture and saw a

1:29:37 Speaker 2: non terrestrial officer, and they tried to bury him under

1:29:40 Speaker 2: the jail. Don't you What do you think they do

1:29:43 Speaker 2: to you if you come out with material inside the

1:29:46 Speaker 2: Legacy program? I have a feeling that's when you blow

1:29:49 Speaker 2: up in front of the Trump Tower.

1:29:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much.

1:29:52 Speaker 4: I mean there were many examples that we could go

1:29:54 Speaker 4: back to, especially in the eighties and the nineties, but

1:29:56 Speaker 4: definitely earlier in the seventies where people were coming up

1:30:00 Speaker 4: with certain inventions like a car that runs.

1:30:02 Speaker 2: On water, Stanley Meyer, there you go, what happened to him?

1:30:05 Speaker 3: You know? Or I used to see VHS tapes people would.

1:30:08 Speaker 4: Pass around, because back in the day, that's how you

1:30:10 Speaker 4: you know, get some of these villa hours.

1:30:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, there wasn't the Internet, and you.

1:30:14 Speaker 4: Know, I'm watching people create anti gravity spaces like this

1:30:20 Speaker 4: room and they're doing it in one way or another

1:30:22 Speaker 4: where they're making bowling balls float and levitate off the table.

1:30:27 Speaker 4: And they're doing this usually arcally, so it's through sound

1:30:30 Speaker 4: manipulation that they're they're doing this. But again we go

1:30:32 Speaker 4: back to frequency and vibration.

1:30:33 Speaker 2: Right, that's well.

1:30:36 Speaker 4: We can talk about that, but you know that being said,

1:30:40 Speaker 4: you know, these people would disappear or they would outright

1:30:43 Speaker 4: be killed, and that was what you had to keep

1:30:46 Speaker 4: on your head if you had anything like.

1:30:48 Speaker 3: This in those days.

1:30:50 Speaker 4: Today a little bit different, but people have access to

1:30:52 Speaker 4: other things. So I remember seeing memory metal before it

1:30:56 Speaker 4: was utilized in any sort of industry, okay, and we

1:31:00 Speaker 4: understood that this came from some craft or whatever and

1:31:05 Speaker 4: they got it right.

1:31:06 Speaker 3: I would go to have you ever.

1:31:08 Speaker 2: Seen arrow Joe? Yeah, that shit's crazy.

1:31:10 Speaker 4: It's neat, but it's really expensive. I'd love to have

1:31:12 Speaker 4: a chunk of it, me too. But you know, you

1:31:15 Speaker 4: go to conventions or you just see you know, again

1:31:17 Speaker 4: on the videos. Different people speaking in front of audiences

1:31:21 Speaker 4: and then they'd have laid out on a table all

1:31:24 Speaker 4: kinds of material that was not of this earth.

1:31:27 Speaker 3: And memory metal was one of.

1:31:28 Speaker 4: The first I saw back it was eighty seven or

1:31:31 Speaker 4: eighty eight something like that.

1:31:32 Speaker 3: I saw it on a video.

1:31:34 Speaker 4: Now we know again talking about interweaving concepts into our

1:31:38 Speaker 4: own practicality. Memory metal is something that everybody knows about today,

1:31:43 Speaker 4: and the science behind it has been broken, so we

1:31:45 Speaker 4: understand it.

1:31:46 Speaker 3: But this is where we got a lot of this.

1:31:48 Speaker 2: Material from it and where did it originate?

1:31:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean again, you have an inherent caution

1:31:53 Speaker 4: when you're walking around and talking about this stuff or

1:31:56 Speaker 4: if you have it in your possession.

1:31:57 Speaker 2: And do you know that from what I gather, even

1:32:03 Speaker 2: during the Cold War, there was some sort of deal

1:32:09 Speaker 2: where the United States at one point, even in the

1:32:14 Speaker 2: Cold War, they were allowing Russian scientists or Soviet scientists

1:32:20 Speaker 2: into the United States to work behind the scenes. Yep,

1:32:24 Speaker 2: this is things that something I've heard from several people.

1:32:28 Speaker 2: I can't say who, just because I'm not trying to

1:32:34 Speaker 2: ask anyone to trust like trust me, bro, and not

1:32:37 Speaker 2: anything like that, but it's just we were asked like

1:32:40 Speaker 2: we were asked to not talk about that, like who

1:32:44 Speaker 2: said that? But I'm sure y'all can figure it out.

1:32:49 Speaker 2: It's pretty easy to figure out. But yet, so there

1:32:53 Speaker 2: were Soviet scientists. I mean, Luigi Vntelli was on the

1:32:57 Speaker 2: show and like, I don't know how much you believe

1:33:00 Speaker 2: in the Lazaar story, but Lazar talks about how there's

1:33:03 Speaker 2: Soviet scientists that were inside Area fifty one at one point,

1:33:10 Speaker 2: and then the only reason we'd have them there is

1:33:14 Speaker 2: if they add something we needed. That's right, and if

1:33:16 Speaker 2: we had something they needed and it was a mutual benefit.

1:33:20 Speaker 2: But then something happened where the Americans broke through and

1:33:23 Speaker 2: they kicked the Russian scientists out, the Soviet scientists out.

1:33:28 Speaker 2: But it goes to show you that even during like

1:33:31 Speaker 2: a political like turmoil, like a public conflict, behind the scenes,

1:33:40 Speaker 2: there's no borderlines, Like the deep state doesn't operate with

1:33:45 Speaker 2: the borders that we operate with, absolutely not, And I

1:33:49 Speaker 2: find that interesting.

1:33:50 Speaker 4: Lets supersede everything, and then you know, again you get

1:33:52 Speaker 4: into the idea of a shadow government and.

1:33:54 Speaker 6: The breakaway civilization. Ultimately, well, yes, that's it's essentially what

1:33:58 Speaker 6: it is.

1:33:59 Speaker 4: Those people live a life that would be so foreign

1:34:03 Speaker 4: to us.

1:34:04 Speaker 3: It's literally like they're living on another planet. If they

1:34:06 Speaker 3: are not, it's inconsequential.

1:34:08 Speaker 4: But that being said, their reality is measured in the

1:34:12 Speaker 4: same way you look at a big time celebrity who

1:34:14 Speaker 4: just isn't in touch with what reality actually is, and

1:34:17 Speaker 4: maybe they don't have to struggle for certain things that

1:34:20 Speaker 4: the normal person would. So I mean there's a very

1:34:24 Speaker 4: deep separation between us and that faction of people living

1:34:29 Speaker 4: life in that way.

1:34:31 Speaker 3: And then again again, you can.

1:34:32 Speaker 4: Talk about the Secret Stations programmer, you can talk about

1:34:34 Speaker 4: some of the efforts that have gone into exposing that.

1:34:38 Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about just these super soldiers that say.

1:34:40 Speaker 4: I was there and I was in this unit and

1:34:42 Speaker 4: flew on their ship. There's a plethora of those kind

1:34:44 Speaker 4: of people, not to invalidate their stories, but there are

1:34:47 Speaker 4: others who've worked within the military factions that we are

1:34:50 Speaker 4: familiar with, and they say, yes, we've been doing this

1:34:53 Speaker 4: for a very long time.

1:34:53 Speaker 3: We have fleets out there. We're in an intergalactic war

1:34:56 Speaker 3: right now.

1:34:57 Speaker 2: So tell me about that. What are you Because you

1:35:01 Speaker 2: had said, now, this is clearly where you differ from

1:35:06 Speaker 2: a guy like doctor Greer, right, And I don't know,

1:35:09 Speaker 2: if like the Cousin brothers also like subscribe to the

1:35:13 Speaker 2: notion that all ets are like good.

1:35:16 Speaker 3: They have their own opinions.

1:35:17 Speaker 2: Okay, clear, you're a lot in that same camp of belief,

1:35:24 Speaker 2: which I think is a naive thing to think. I mean,

1:35:26 Speaker 2: I think Greer has something I'm not even saying.

1:35:30 Speaker 4: You know, it goes into the whole idea of what's

1:35:32 Speaker 4: being presented here.

1:35:34 Speaker 2: Well, it's his narrative, right, it's definitely his narrative.

1:35:36 Speaker 4: But you know, he says a lot and there's a

1:35:38 Speaker 4: lot that he cannot back up. And that's that's the problem.

1:35:41 Speaker 4: I can listen to somebody talk all day and you

1:35:43 Speaker 4: can tell me whatever you want. Maybe I believe some

1:35:45 Speaker 4: of it, maybe I won't. But the fact matter is

1:35:47 Speaker 4: it's all anecdotal. So yes, we do need a little

1:35:51 Speaker 4: bit more of that evidence to kind of convince ourselves

1:35:54 Speaker 4: that there's a much larger picture as we've spoken about.

1:35:57 Speaker 4: But you know, at the same time, it's you know,

1:35:59 Speaker 4: I can't I take everything with a grain of salt.

1:36:01 Speaker 3: You have to.

1:36:01 Speaker 4: And I've interviewed, you know, Montauk survivors, I've interviewed Secret

1:36:05 Speaker 4: Space program people. I was very good friends with James Rink.

1:36:09 Speaker 4: Unfortunately he passed away about a year ago. But you know,

1:36:13 Speaker 4: these guys all ledged that they were deeply involved in

1:36:16 Speaker 4: the secret space program, and they can come back and

1:36:18 Speaker 4: give you particulars.

1:36:19 Speaker 3: And so forth.

1:36:20 Speaker 4: Now, the thing you need to as an interviewer or

1:36:22 Speaker 4: somebody really researching this, keep in mind very readily is

1:36:26 Speaker 4: that there are going to be people that you come

1:36:27 Speaker 4: across that have.

1:36:31 Speaker 3: Cognitive issues that need to be addressed in one way,

1:36:34 Speaker 3: shape or form.

1:36:35 Speaker 4: Now I've actually seen this, I've worked with it as

1:36:38 Speaker 4: I've seen it unfold, and I give the utmost respect

1:36:41 Speaker 4: to those people because they believe what they want to believe,

1:36:44 Speaker 4: and I believe that they believe it. Okay, but I

1:36:46 Speaker 4: can see the holes in the stories. I can see

1:36:48 Speaker 4: the fractures, and sometimes it comes back to a trauma

1:36:52 Speaker 4: that's so deeply buried that they don't even realize that yet.

1:36:55 Speaker 4: And I get confirmation maybe a year or two later,

1:36:57 Speaker 4: that oh, they finally found that that's what it was.

1:37:00 Speaker 3: You know, it's fine, I totally understand it.

1:37:02 Speaker 4: I always give people a voice to express themselves. It

1:37:05 Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily mean that I have to believe everything you're saying.

1:37:07 Speaker 4: I just have to again believe that you believe it, So,

1:37:10 Speaker 4: you know, to get back to your question again, take

1:37:13 Speaker 4: everything with a grain of salt. Find the continuities between

1:37:16 Speaker 4: these narratives, the ones that are not directly connected between

1:37:20 Speaker 4: the people saying it.

1:37:22 Speaker 3: Find the continuities that seem.

1:37:23 Speaker 4: To be something more peripheral that actually do connect outside

1:37:27 Speaker 4: that box.

1:37:28 Speaker 3: That we're all looking at. So that's the way I

1:37:31 Speaker 3: look at this.

1:37:31 Speaker 4: And yes, there are many different species of what we

1:37:34 Speaker 4: consider extraterrestrials. Some of them are malevolent, some of them

1:37:37 Speaker 4: are neutral, and some of them are benevolent. Generally, the

1:37:39 Speaker 4: benevolent ones are our parentage where we came from.

1:37:42 Speaker 3: And there is more.

1:37:43 Speaker 4: Evidence gathered today than ever has been before that.

1:37:48 Speaker 3: We were created by extraterrestriels.

1:37:50 Speaker 4: We actually have the names of those species, and there

1:37:52 Speaker 4: were six or eight of them that created us interdimensionally.

1:37:55 Speaker 3: I think it was six or eight at a time.

1:37:57 Speaker 4: Right, you know, you didn't really have men and women

1:38:00 Speaker 4: was an androgynist sort of thing, and we were bred

1:38:02 Speaker 4: as the story goes to work in the minds to

1:38:05 Speaker 4: mind goal from the film Nephelom, and uh, you know,

1:38:11 Speaker 4: we didn't have sexual organs, So we didn't have the

1:38:13 Speaker 4: consciousness to procreate, and that was on purpose. You go

1:38:17 Speaker 4: into the Garden of Eden's story.

1:38:19 Speaker 3: This is a huge.

1:38:20 Speaker 4: Metaphor for something that happened between two of the nephelom

1:38:26 Speaker 4: that we're you know, heading this whole thing. There's a

1:38:28 Speaker 4: whole backstory as to why they were there and what

1:38:30 Speaker 4: have you. Let you know, everybody else kind of figure

1:38:32 Speaker 4: that out and research.

1:38:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I mean you're familiar with the one

1:38:39 Speaker 2: wanted to give autonomy. One wanted to keep us as

1:38:47 Speaker 2: like lower frequency as slaves as slaves, and you know

1:38:52 Speaker 2: what I mean. There's a lot of parables to like

1:38:55 Speaker 2: a lot of different stories, but this seems to be

1:38:59 Speaker 2: the Sumerian version, right, This seems to and that's the first.

1:39:04 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the cradle of civilization, right, it's the

1:39:07 Speaker 2: first civilization. And that's why I give it so much

1:39:11 Speaker 2: more validity because for them to have written this down,

1:39:16 Speaker 2: it's important that we at least are open to this idea,

1:39:22 Speaker 2: right absolutely, because for us writing something down is as

1:39:26 Speaker 2: easy as I mean, I could put my phone out

1:39:29 Speaker 2: of mode and it would just dictate right, right, I

1:39:32 Speaker 2: could that's as I could write that way, right or

1:39:35 Speaker 2: I just speak in it and it does it for me.

1:39:39 Speaker 2: For them, they had to heat up stone and fucking

1:39:44 Speaker 2: put little dashes and stuff and hope that someone would

1:39:48 Speaker 2: be able to decipher it one day like that story,

1:39:55 Speaker 2: and you know, kind of where I was going. Ultimately

1:39:59 Speaker 2: would would be the fact that, Okay, what I think

1:40:03 Speaker 2: you're onto here is, for instance, the story of all

1:40:08 Speaker 2: the religions, almost all of them have a flood story.

1:40:13 Speaker 2: We we need not look at the entire book or

1:40:18 Speaker 2: whether it's the Bible, the Korean. We need not look

1:40:21 Speaker 2: at the entire book as fact, but there are things

1:40:25 Speaker 2: that we can discern if every single one of them

1:40:27 Speaker 2: has it all right, sounds like there was a flood, right,

1:40:32 Speaker 2: They are your consistencies, you're through lines, you're these are

1:40:36 Speaker 2: not just metaphors. And then we look at the geological

1:40:39 Speaker 2: record and there's record of a flood at that time. Okay, guys,

1:40:44 Speaker 2: we're putting it together now. This is how we put

1:40:47 Speaker 2: our history together. First off, how the fuck are we

1:40:49 Speaker 2: a species that has no idea of our own origin?

1:40:53 Speaker 2: Like that blows my mind?

1:40:55 Speaker 4: Well, how are we just figuring all this shit out now?

1:40:57 Speaker 4: When historians have been looking at this kind of st

1:41:00 Speaker 4: for ages.

1:41:01 Speaker 2: Because they weren't doing what they said they were doing.

1:41:04 Speaker 2: They were never giving us our history. Our history had

1:41:07 Speaker 2: been written, right, it had been written by a select

1:41:11 Speaker 2: few who wanted our history. We can get into that

1:41:15 Speaker 2: a different time. But and I think that the pyramids,

1:41:21 Speaker 2: these these things, I think that there was a network,

1:41:25 Speaker 2: a global network of at one time, like maybe Atlantis,

1:41:31 Speaker 2: maybe if maybe that's what we're talking about. And again

1:41:35 Speaker 2: someone you know, you have you have Plato writing about it,

1:41:41 Speaker 2: but he's also hearing the story secondhand. So we don't

1:41:45 Speaker 2: know how many iterations of that story became Atlantis, right,

1:41:49 Speaker 2: But what it could be based on is inevitably this

1:41:53 Speaker 2: larger network of whatever came before the Ice Age and

1:41:59 Speaker 2: the your dryest impact and when civilization was essentially reset. Right.

1:42:07 Speaker 2: We just don't know, We don't know what there was,

1:42:11 Speaker 2: but we we seemingly have some of the structures that

1:42:17 Speaker 2: are here that also mirror things on the Moon and

1:42:21 Speaker 2: mirror things on Mars. And there's this constant pyramid, pyramidal

1:42:26 Speaker 2: shape that is in this architecture that is seen through

1:42:31 Speaker 2: celestial bodies, and like, I just can't look away from that.

1:42:36 Speaker 2: And there's no body has ever been found inside of

1:42:39 Speaker 2: a pyramid.

1:42:39 Speaker 3: No, because they weren't tombs.

1:42:41 Speaker 2: They were not tombs. I think they were, so I'm

1:42:44 Speaker 2: not sure if I'm ready to say that they were.

1:42:46 Speaker 2: Like but like the technology Tesla was onto, I think

1:42:50 Speaker 2: he was looking at the pyramid saying, there's something here, right,

1:42:54 Speaker 2: there's something here.

1:42:56 Speaker 3: He knew a lot more than he even let on, right.

1:42:58 Speaker 2: Because and then they're fine tuned to like astrological they

1:43:04 Speaker 2: reflect also the cosmos in the cosmology, and then the

1:43:08 Speaker 2: mathematical precision of them. And all over the world we

1:43:12 Speaker 2: see these pyramids and every continent we see them, Like,

1:43:16 Speaker 2: just stop bullshitting, Stop bullshitting, Like you know how this

1:43:21 Speaker 2: all happened. You think you're gonna tell me. They fucking

1:43:24 Speaker 2: rolled a block that was sixteen one hundred and sixty

1:43:28 Speaker 2: tons on wet sand up.

1:43:35 Speaker 4: How tall the pyramid I don't remember the exact figure,

1:43:38 Speaker 4: but it's tall.

1:43:39 Speaker 2: It's fucking gigantic, you're telling me. And they would have

1:43:42 Speaker 2: the timeline they propose is twenty years. Yeah, they built in.

1:43:46 Speaker 2: They would have had to place a block every minute

1:43:51 Speaker 2: at that rate. To stop acting like we're fucking stupid.

1:43:55 Speaker 4: Well, there was a book I forget who wrote it,

1:43:57 Speaker 4: But it was entitled nothing in this book is true,

1:43:59 Speaker 4: but it's exactly the way things are. And the author

1:44:02 Speaker 4: asserted that the pyramids were built from the top down

1:44:05 Speaker 4: in three days.

1:44:07 Speaker 3: Chew on that one for a second.

1:44:11 Speaker 4: Let's talk about down. Let's talk about coral castle. Okay,

1:44:16 Speaker 4: Edward Scodalden, I'm gonna I'm not saying his last name, right,

1:44:21 Speaker 4: Luxury short. There's a coral castle that was built by

1:44:24 Speaker 4: one man down in Homestead, Florida. You can go and

1:44:27 Speaker 4: visit it today. But it's precision craftsmanship. And he was

1:44:31 Speaker 4: moving blocks that weigh tons and tons and tons by himself.

1:44:35 Speaker 4: Nobody knew how he was doing it. In fact, when

1:44:38 Speaker 4: kids would get curious to kind of get closer to

1:44:40 Speaker 4: his property to be looking up over the ledge, it'd

1:44:41 Speaker 4: see him with you know, the lever and Pulley's. But

1:44:44 Speaker 4: as soon as they started looking at him, regardless if

1:44:47 Speaker 4: he was facing the other way, he would just stop.

1:44:48 Speaker 3: Working and stand there until they left.

1:44:50 Speaker 4: So somehow he knew when he was being watched, and

1:44:53 Speaker 4: every time people would ask him, they press them, well,

1:44:56 Speaker 4: how'd you make this?

1:44:57 Speaker 3: How are you doing this?

1:44:58 Speaker 4: Eventually the only thing he said was I figured out

1:45:02 Speaker 4: how they built the pyramids in Egypt, and he wrote

1:45:05 Speaker 4: an entire book on electromagnetism that he used his own

1:45:09 Speaker 4: notation and systems for.

1:45:11 Speaker 3: I've read it. I have it at my house. It's

1:45:13 Speaker 3: very interesting.

1:45:14 Speaker 4: I don't know how practical it is, but it is

1:45:15 Speaker 4: interesting to see how his mind worked us a little bit.

1:45:18 Speaker 4: He must have discovered something that we are not aware of.

1:45:21 Speaker 4: But that's what he said. I discovered how they built

1:45:23 Speaker 4: the pyramids in Egypt.

1:45:24 Speaker 2: And that's a very ominous Yeah.

1:45:27 Speaker 3: Wow, he never really said anything.

1:45:30 Speaker 2: Heything.

1:45:31 Speaker 3: He took it with him to his grave. But he

1:45:32 Speaker 3: spent his entire life building this castle.

1:45:35 Speaker 2: Huh.

1:45:36 Speaker 4: And the reason for it all started when, yeah, he

1:45:38 Speaker 4: immigrated from somewhere over in Europe. He had a sweetheart

1:45:42 Speaker 4: that was supposed to marry him and didn't, so when

1:45:44 Speaker 4: she left him, he came to America.

1:45:46 Speaker 3: And that's what he did. He built that castle of

1:45:49 Speaker 3: his sweetheart.

1:45:50 Speaker 6: That he never had poetic it's a it's an interesting story, geez.

1:45:59 Speaker 2: Jeez. One of the things I've talked about on the

1:46:03 Speaker 2: show before is this idea of sound, light and frequency

1:46:08 Speaker 2: right the keys to the universe is what I think,

1:46:11 Speaker 2: And do you think that potentially our ancestors and you know,

1:46:16 Speaker 2: whoever did build the pyramids, do you think that they

1:46:19 Speaker 2: may have had it and there may be this technology

1:46:22 Speaker 2: out there that it's not like this like this is

1:46:26 Speaker 2: what we consider technology and like the microphone, the cameras,

1:46:30 Speaker 2: this is technology to us. But technology is actually i'll

1:46:36 Speaker 2: put the definition on screen right now, mark the timestamp.

1:46:40 Speaker 2: But technology is there's the broader definition of it is

1:46:48 Speaker 2: it's something that essentially solves a like solves a problem

1:46:54 Speaker 2: for you through means of So what I'm getting to is,

1:46:59 Speaker 2: because I don't know the definition of the top mad,

1:47:01 Speaker 2: I'll just put it on the screen. But do you

1:47:04 Speaker 2: think they had a technology that it's just different than

1:47:07 Speaker 2: what we consider technology, something that where they were either

1:47:11 Speaker 2: either able to do through chants and drums and like

1:47:18 Speaker 2: frequency lift these stones, because it seems like that would

1:47:23 Speaker 2: be the only possibility but the only thing that fits

1:47:26 Speaker 2: aside from maybe having giants picking them up and putting

1:47:30 Speaker 2: them in, you would need to have some sort of

1:47:35 Speaker 2: levitation technique. And it sounds like that's the technology that

1:47:40 Speaker 2: essentially was able to fit those blocks so perfectly. Is

1:47:44 Speaker 2: like this idea of being able to manipulate. I mean,

1:47:49 Speaker 2: it sounds like sorcery, but that's also technology. Yeah, yeah,

1:47:53 Speaker 2: and that's how they did it. Do you think that's potentially.

1:47:58 Speaker 3: Well, we'll think. But this way, who discovered electricity?

1:48:02 Speaker 2: Isaac No? Uh? And it's no, no, no, who discovered electricity?

1:48:11 Speaker 3: Who's credited for discovering electricity?

1:48:13 Speaker 2: Is it Ben Franklin? Yeah? The kite? Kay, I don't

1:48:19 Speaker 2: know why is that? Isaac Newton? Gravity?

1:48:23 Speaker 3: They're using, you know, certain things.

1:48:26 Speaker 4: So in our modern days, that's what we're taught when

1:48:28 Speaker 4: we go to school, that electricity was born into awareness

1:48:31 Speaker 4: with Benjamin Franklin.

1:48:32 Speaker 3: Prior to that, nobody had electricity. That's not true. Look

1:48:34 Speaker 3: at the bag Dad battery.

1:48:36 Speaker 4: It got electricity too, but they used a chemical way

1:48:38 Speaker 4: to do it instead of the way that we're using.

1:48:40 Speaker 4: It's still the same fucking product. Yes, it's the exact

1:48:45 Speaker 4: same result, but it's achieved differently. And I believe that

1:48:49 Speaker 4: a lot of these civilizations, ancient civilizations, had the same

1:48:53 Speaker 4: technology or at least in result of okay, that we

1:48:57 Speaker 4: have today, but they just went about it a different way.

1:48:59 Speaker 4: And the methodology that they use is lost of time.

1:49:03 Speaker 4: The majority of it is lost of time. Now we

1:49:05 Speaker 4: can talk about certain places that allegedly do have a

1:49:10 Speaker 4: world history, a complete world history of this Earth. And

1:49:13 Speaker 4: you know, you talk about the room that's supposedly under

1:49:15 Speaker 4: the sphinx of you know, Giza, where it's underneath the

1:49:19 Speaker 4: right paw.

1:49:20 Speaker 3: I believe, yeah, if.

1:49:22 Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, I do believe somebody has been in there.

1:49:27 Speaker 4: And there was a specific time that this door would

1:49:32 Speaker 4: be able to be opened. I mean, there was something

1:49:34 Speaker 4: very magical about, you know, the way this was opened,

1:49:36 Speaker 4: like an incantation. You had to be able to say,

1:49:38 Speaker 4: I don't know what it was, it's exactly you know,

1:49:42 Speaker 4: obviously derived you know, in certain ways. But there were

1:49:46 Speaker 4: several of these deposits, if you will, throughout the planet,

1:49:51 Speaker 4: and only the very specific people were meant to find

1:49:54 Speaker 4: these at specific times. In our evolution from the Montauk Project,

1:49:57 Speaker 4: we understand that Mars also has its own cavernous areas

1:50:01 Speaker 4: within that celestial body that housed the history of that

1:50:04 Speaker 4: planet as well. And what you know, some of these

1:50:07 Speaker 4: guys were doing in the Montark project was actually visiting

1:50:09 Speaker 4: Mars through their technology that they were using and going

1:50:13 Speaker 4: into these different spaces to learn about the history of

1:50:17 Speaker 4: Mars specifically. Now, keep in mind, every single civilization that

1:50:22 Speaker 4: has ever been has a reverence from Mars. Okay, not

1:50:26 Speaker 4: the Moon, although you see that too. It's Mars. Cairo

1:50:30 Speaker 4: in Egypt means Mars okay, when when Pangaea was around.

1:50:38 Speaker 4: There is a possibility. Again, this needs to be verified

1:50:42 Speaker 4: a little bit further, but there is a possibility, and

1:50:43 Speaker 4: it's been proposed that the same land that is now

1:50:47 Speaker 4: Egypt was also Long Island. And there are only two

1:50:52 Speaker 4: pharaohs that have ever been recorded in Egypt and Long Island.

1:50:58 Speaker 4: Now you start seeing some of the content nuities between Egypt, Mars,

1:51:02 Speaker 4: and Montalk and you start asking a lot more questions.

1:51:06 Speaker 2: Hmm. With mon talk in the dramatization of it, with

1:51:17 Speaker 2: stranger things, they talk about an inter dimensional riff that

1:51:23 Speaker 2: is opened subsequently by the actions of what they're doing.

1:51:29 Speaker 2: And these beings come from, you know, in what the

1:51:35 Speaker 2: dramatization of it is is. You know, they come from

1:51:38 Speaker 2: the upside down. But this limbo, which I don't want

1:51:43 Speaker 2: to spoil the show if anyone hasn't watched it, I

1:51:46 Speaker 2: wasn't too happy with how they explained it the upside down.

1:51:50 Speaker 2: But whatever, Einstein rosen Bridges and whatever you know they

1:51:57 Speaker 2: wanted to call it. But is this part of the

1:52:02 Speaker 2: story accurate where something comes through a dimensional rift or

1:52:08 Speaker 2: do you think this is part of that cognitive dissonance.

1:52:11 Speaker 4: Well, what the brothers did when they created this is

1:52:16 Speaker 4: they merged a lot of the concepts that came out

1:52:19 Speaker 4: of Montalk and they made sort of their own entity

1:52:22 Speaker 4: out of it. So you're gonna see things that are

1:52:24 Speaker 4: reminiscent of the actual program, and then you're gonna see

1:52:26 Speaker 4: a lot of imagination in between us. And of course

1:52:29 Speaker 4: that's the continuity that they needed to create the show.

1:52:32 Speaker 4: That's all fine, and well, what we do know is

1:52:36 Speaker 4: that the downfall of the Montalk project happened because it

1:52:42 Speaker 4: was subverted on purpose. And this was, you know, an

1:52:46 Speaker 4: idea allegedly between Preston Duncan and al So Duncan being

1:52:50 Speaker 4: the chief psychic, he was the one usually sitting in

1:52:52 Speaker 4: the chair and they programmed him in secret to have

1:52:57 Speaker 4: a key phrase which would ignite something very devastating for

1:53:03 Speaker 4: the entire base. And that phrase was the time is

1:53:05 Speaker 4: now is actually at the title of my second doc

1:53:10 Speaker 4: documentary on Montauk and what happened the time is now.

1:53:14 Speaker 3: Okay.

1:53:15 Speaker 4: So once this is whispered in Duncan's ear when he

1:53:18 Speaker 4: was in meditation in that chair. The idea was in

1:53:21 Speaker 4: the deepest recesses of his being, the darkest part of him,

1:53:25 Speaker 4: he would bring to manifestation and it would The idea

1:53:28 Speaker 4: was that this energy would form underground and smash everything

1:53:33 Speaker 4: in the base. Well, it did appear, but it appeared

1:53:36 Speaker 4: above ground and started smashing everything on the base, killing people,

1:53:40 Speaker 4: smashing buildings. You can actually see old photographs of these,

1:53:44 Speaker 4: like utility shacks that looked like a hand came down

1:53:46 Speaker 4: smashed them. There's splayed like a force came from above.

1:53:50 Speaker 4: Because they named this energy Junior, because it was a

1:53:54 Speaker 4: shadow being of sort. Some people described it as eight

1:53:59 Speaker 4: to fifteen feet tall, okay, and they're actually photos of

1:54:02 Speaker 4: this thing walking around Campiro when it was on its rampage. Okay.

1:54:07 Speaker 4: When this occurred, the entire system went down. Everybody vacated

1:54:12 Speaker 4: within a day. There was not a soul left on

1:54:14 Speaker 4: the base. In fact, they sent green berets in there

1:54:16 Speaker 4: to shoot anything that moved after the fact, so they

1:54:19 Speaker 4: went in there and they swept okay.

1:54:21 Speaker 3: All through the underground. Right, Junior's still there. He's still

1:54:25 Speaker 3: at Camp Heiro.

1:54:27 Speaker 4: I've felt the presence standing in the places I've seen

1:54:30 Speaker 4: where he was in the pictures.

1:54:31 Speaker 3: He's still there. If you film, you might catch him.

1:54:34 Speaker 3: He's very static.

1:54:35 Speaker 4: He doesn't move, He'll just be standing one place, but

1:54:38 Speaker 4: he's there. You can't put him back. It was a

1:54:40 Speaker 4: product of Duncan's subconscious mind. And Duncan's no longer with us,

1:54:44 Speaker 4: So that creature pulled out of whatever Duncan manifested is

1:54:49 Speaker 4: always going.

1:54:50 Speaker 3: To be in that location.

1:54:52 Speaker 2: Tea. They do it.

1:54:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, So to kind of answer your question of you know,

1:54:56 Speaker 4: stranger things, you know, is the way that we could

1:54:58 Speaker 4: open up and the creatures come out?

1:54:59 Speaker 3: There's the idea.

1:55:00 Speaker 4: And yes they were doing this, I mean because a

1:55:02 Speaker 4: lot of these kids were being pushed into wormholes to

1:55:04 Speaker 4: see if they come back. Sometimes they did, sometimes it didn't.

1:55:07 Speaker 4: Sometimes they were caught captured and there was a ransom.

1:55:10 Speaker 4: Maybe they were brought back, maybe they weren't.

1:55:13 Speaker 3: Uh, but got it.

1:55:14 Speaker 2: You gotta think is that what hell was you know,

1:55:21 Speaker 2: inspired by like if our if if someone had been

1:55:27 Speaker 2: dealing with that prior to montac which I kind of

1:55:31 Speaker 2: think probably, you know, if if beings are catching people

1:55:41 Speaker 2: that are thrown down wormholes into the abyss and then

1:55:47 Speaker 2: some beings holding a ransom on you.

1:55:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, they'd ask, uh, you know, we want this technology

1:55:52 Speaker 4: that you're using to do what you're doing, so give

1:55:54 Speaker 4: that to us and we'll give you back the kid.

1:55:55 Speaker 2: Right.

1:55:56 Speaker 3: Sometimes the wager was good, sometimes it wasn't. So they

1:55:59 Speaker 3: were like, you can keep you can keep them, and

1:56:02 Speaker 3: god knows what would happen. I mean, there were people

1:56:04 Speaker 3: that what.

1:56:04 Speaker 2: Is the connection? I'm sorry, God, no, no, no, because I'm

1:56:07 Speaker 2: gonna take you to a left.

1:56:09 Speaker 4: Lung story short, there were kids that would go in

1:56:10 Speaker 4: there and they'd get lost, so they'd find themselves just

1:56:14 Speaker 4: drifting and avoid somewhere with no return. So they're interdimensional

1:56:18 Speaker 4: at that point, and somehow they've brought their body. I mean,

1:56:21 Speaker 4: we can talk about how that works, because there have

1:56:23 Speaker 4: been people who transcend this reality that we have notated

1:56:26 Speaker 4: in history. They do it a different way, but you know,

1:56:29 Speaker 4: they could get stuck down a quarter in this this

1:56:32 Speaker 4: time traveling adventure, never to find that zero point again

1:56:37 Speaker 4: and never be able to come back this way. There

1:56:39 Speaker 4: are a lot of souls that are still stuck at

1:56:41 Speaker 4: Camp Hero because they're they're kind of in between and

1:56:45 Speaker 4: they don't know what they're doing. So what I'd like

1:56:47 Speaker 4: to do going forward with the people that I work

1:56:49 Speaker 4: with is come and try to release some of those

1:56:51 Speaker 4: souls that want to go.

1:56:52 Speaker 2: How would you do that?

1:56:54 Speaker 4: So I have done this before, but it's not something

1:56:57 Speaker 4: that I through mediumship. Yeah, that I look towards personally,

1:57:03 Speaker 4: but I have people who that that's what their vocation is,

1:57:05 Speaker 4: that's what they do. They go to these places and

1:57:07 Speaker 4: they release those souls, and a lot of times they'll

1:57:09 Speaker 4: bring equipment along to kind of verify that this is happening. So,

1:57:12 Speaker 4: for example, somebody will walk into a location say all right,

1:57:16 Speaker 4: if you're here and you want to move forward, come

1:57:19 Speaker 4: over to my device and say my name. Next thing,

1:57:22 Speaker 4: you know, you hear Thomas Thomas, Thomas Thomas, all these

1:57:26 Speaker 4: different voices coming out of the boys box, you know

1:57:28 Speaker 4: what I mean. And once they're there, you can feel

1:57:31 Speaker 4: them too. When you're in that environment, you can feel him.

1:57:33 Speaker 4: It's unmistakable. But long story short, he'll do his process.

1:57:38 Speaker 4: Next thing, you know, the air just clears and they're gone.

1:57:43 Speaker 2: Maybe we can and the reason I'm flipping the camera

1:57:46 Speaker 2: is maybe we could send Uh so my producers literally wearing.

1:57:52 Speaker 2: He showed up today in a can you tell us

1:58:01 Speaker 2: a little bit more?

1:58:02 Speaker 3: Oh that's about it.

1:58:05 Speaker 2: You you came here to banish a ghost.

1:58:09 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah you.

1:58:10 Speaker 3: Ty has a hass been discussed that.

1:58:13 Speaker 7: Ty has a a entity problem here.

1:58:16 Speaker 8: I think the one night Needle came, I was certainly attacked.

1:58:19 Speaker 7: Yes, knocked me out for two hours, like perfectly fine,

1:58:24 Speaker 7: picked veto up friend of ours brought him here. As

1:58:28 Speaker 7: he tells the story, it's like we walked upstairs.

1:58:30 Speaker 8: I turned gray, and then I'm like, I'm gonna lay down,

1:58:34 Speaker 8: and I went to lay down, and as he and

1:58:36 Speaker 8: Ty take their episode, the dog was walking on his back,

1:58:41 Speaker 8: standing up on his back legs, walking h towards this way.

1:58:45 Speaker 7: And then last night Vito challenged it.

1:58:50 Speaker 8: Online as we were live and something passed.

1:58:58 Speaker 2: I'll show him the video. Yeah, I'll put the Yeah,

1:59:07 Speaker 2: I'll put the video on. I'll put the video on

1:59:10 Speaker 2: the screen right now. But okay, so essentially what happened

1:59:18 Speaker 2: last night we were doing a live show about the

1:59:22 Speaker 2: President commuting the NDAs for people for whistleblowers, and so

1:59:29 Speaker 2: our buddy that was on the show, he like puts

1:59:31 Speaker 2: out this like challenge. But by the way, I had

1:59:34 Speaker 2: headphones on. Nothing there was no words that could be

1:59:38 Speaker 2: heard in here, like it was all coming through my headphones.

1:59:42 Speaker 3: And.

1:59:45 Speaker 2: He said start. He mentions like make the lights flicker

1:59:52 Speaker 2: or something, and then like it's hard to believe, but

1:59:56 Speaker 2: I'll even time stamp the actual clip that I'm gonna

1:59:59 Speaker 2: put up because it goes through the whole scenario of

2:00:01 Speaker 2: him challenging it and then it actually happening but behind me.

2:00:08 Speaker 2: So sorry, mate, So just just rewind that and watch

2:00:15 Speaker 2: it through, because essentially what happens is the light right

2:00:20 Speaker 2: there starts to go in and out, and I felt

2:00:25 Speaker 2: something behind me because my chair is right there, and

2:00:28 Speaker 2: I feel something behind me. So I look behind me,

2:00:31 Speaker 2: and no one had noticed. By this time, no one

2:00:34 Speaker 2: knew that it was the no you see the light. Yeah,

2:00:39 Speaker 2: so we have no idea what it is.

2:00:43 Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you coming upstairs as we were

2:00:47 Speaker 4: getting ready to do what we're doing. Now, you know,

2:00:50 Speaker 4: he had mentioned a little bit of the story, and

2:00:53 Speaker 4: so I come in here with my feelers on.

2:00:54 Speaker 3: I don't feel anything in here. It doesn't mean that

2:00:55 Speaker 3: there's not anything in here right now. There might be,

2:00:57 Speaker 3: but generally if there's something really.

2:01:00 Speaker 2: Heavy because the archbishopshire something bad.

2:01:02 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna feel that coming in. But maybe

2:01:04 Speaker 3: you did excel it in some way.

2:01:07 Speaker 2: Well, we've had other people here that because like I

2:01:11 Speaker 2: was actually saying in the clip, the full clip, I

2:01:15 Speaker 2: was actually saying how it's been pretty dormant, like things

2:01:19 Speaker 2: have calmed down ever since we brought some people in

2:01:21 Speaker 2: and did this aging and because we did all that,

2:01:24 Speaker 2: But as soon as Veto challenged it, all of a sudden,

2:01:30 Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell, what's behind me? Yeah? And

2:01:34 Speaker 2: then it just again. I came up here again this

2:01:36 Speaker 2: morning and it's light again. It as it's weird. It's weird.

2:01:43 Speaker 2: But we had one of the guys that used to

2:01:45 Speaker 2: live in the other apartment down there. He said that

2:01:49 Speaker 2: this whole he's like, this whole house is it's like

2:01:55 Speaker 2: a bus stop with people things going in and out.

2:01:59 Speaker 2: So that's how he described it. No, I haven't, but

2:02:06 Speaker 2: so sorry for that cutaway, guys, but I thought that

2:02:11 Speaker 2: was funny. Have you what are this species like? Because

2:02:24 Speaker 2: doctor Eric Davis is you know, famously eating salad and

2:02:28 Speaker 2: telling uh the world of Congress that there is like

2:02:34 Speaker 2: six to eight species. Any you know, reptilians, grays, what

2:02:40 Speaker 2: are the what are the what's going on with this

2:02:43 Speaker 2: galactic war? Because guys like high they should have talked

2:02:47 Speaker 2: about this galactic federation. Right, So he's the equivalent of

2:02:51 Speaker 2: like this NASA director, But the Israeli Space Force is

2:03:00 Speaker 2: you know, more in tune with their military just because

2:03:04 Speaker 2: that's how they run their stuff, and right, everyone serves

2:03:07 Speaker 2: everyone all that, Right, So he's like the equivalent of

2:03:11 Speaker 2: the NASA director, but also like kind of like the

2:03:14 Speaker 2: Space Force, like rep Communion whatever. High Messait says that

2:03:20 Speaker 2: there's a galact de federation. Other people have said this before.

2:03:24 Speaker 2: We talk about the space program, secret space program, all

2:03:26 Speaker 2: of this stuff being said, you had mentioned that there's

2:03:29 Speaker 2: this cosmic conflict.

2:03:34 Speaker 4: Tell me more so as far as I understand, and

2:03:37 Speaker 4: I wish Ashid had said more than what he has.

2:03:40 Speaker 2: Well, he just recently reappeared.

2:03:42 Speaker 4: I I haven't seen anything he's done recently. But you know,

2:03:44 Speaker 4: when he first made that statement, it was winded and

2:03:47 Speaker 4: we needed a little bit more than that, but it

2:03:49 Speaker 4: was still a glimpse into, you know, obviously something we

2:03:51 Speaker 4: can talk about today. So what I'm going to say

2:03:55 Speaker 4: is than anything I know about this I've learned from

2:04:00 Speaker 4: other sources. I have not had any experiences myself. I've

2:04:02 Speaker 4: had Secret Space Program participants come up to me and say,

2:04:06 Speaker 4: I remember you from this fucking program.

2:04:08 Speaker 3: I remember you from there, And I don't remember any

2:04:11 Speaker 3: of that.

2:04:11 Speaker 4: So maybe that is possible that there were a handful

2:04:14 Speaker 4: of us that really did participate in the Secret Space

2:04:17 Speaker 4: Program and we just don't recall it, or we're doing

2:04:19 Speaker 4: it now. I don't know, there's a possibility that that

2:04:22 Speaker 4: is something to look at. But apparently this galactic war

2:04:26 Speaker 4: or whatever's going on is really a conflict with the

2:04:30 Speaker 4: Draconian species.

2:04:32 Speaker 3: And what's the other one, the Draco's and I'll think

2:04:38 Speaker 3: of the other one.

2:04:39 Speaker 4: It's another malevolent species that at any chance, has tried

2:04:42 Speaker 4: to take over the planet. Now there are measures that

2:04:47 Speaker 4: won't allow them to take over the planet. I think

2:04:49 Speaker 4: the last time they tried was nineteen ninety two.

2:04:55 Speaker 3: I want to say maybe it was a little bit earlier.

2:04:56 Speaker 4: Then there's a whole story on how we got rid

2:04:58 Speaker 4: of them and whatever luxury short. I'm not sure the

2:05:04 Speaker 4: actual aim or the intention other than just to take

2:05:08 Speaker 4: back a planet, you know, because this isn't our planet.

2:05:11 Speaker 3: We don't own it.

2:05:13 Speaker 4: Yes, we seem like we've originated here as far as

2:05:15 Speaker 4: we can tell, and yes we do have you know,

2:05:18 Speaker 4: obviously certain minerals and so forth that we share with

2:05:20 Speaker 4: the Earth because we were made out of those minerals,

2:05:22 Speaker 4: right initially.

2:05:24 Speaker 2: But also everything in the universe is yes.

2:05:26 Speaker 4: I mean, God, we can find some of the same

2:05:28 Speaker 4: elements that we have in our bodies in commons, yeah,

2:05:31 Speaker 4: I mean, or meteors.

2:05:32 Speaker 2: Like hydrogen, like these are common things, yes.

2:05:35 Speaker 3: Very much so.

2:05:36 Speaker 4: Right, But again, you have to have some sort of

2:05:38 Speaker 4: architecture to put anything together. You have to have material

2:05:40 Speaker 4: in order to create something, So you grab whatever you

2:05:43 Speaker 4: can from the environment.

2:05:44 Speaker 3: And this is why we went the mammalian route.

2:05:45 Speaker 4: So they took DNA from you know, let's say an ape,

2:05:48 Speaker 4: and they instill that in us. If they had taken

2:05:51 Speaker 4: it from an insect, we could look insectoid or we

2:05:54 Speaker 4: could look like any fair enough, And that's why these

2:05:56 Speaker 4: different species look different and you know, resemble lizards or

2:06:00 Speaker 4: insects or spiders or whatever the case may be.

2:06:04 Speaker 3: That's the only difference.

2:06:08 Speaker 4: So you know, when you want to talk about how

2:06:10 Speaker 4: many species are out there, this is very subjective. I

2:06:14 Speaker 4: think it sits in the realm of conjecture. Conjecture specifically,

2:06:18 Speaker 4: but a lot of what we find in like ancient

2:06:21 Speaker 4: texts and you talk about Samerians and so forth, we

2:06:24 Speaker 4: find that there's again maybe six or eight that actually

2:06:27 Speaker 4: created us, and then upwards of maybe twenty that we

2:06:30 Speaker 4: have contact with. It might be a little less than that,

2:06:33 Speaker 4: but that's, you know, the roundabout number that I've been given.

2:06:38 Speaker 3: But then you talk.

2:06:39 Speaker 4: About the Nazis, and there's this whole idea that Nazis

2:06:42 Speaker 4: went into space and that they're a big catalyst for

2:06:44 Speaker 4: the violence and whatever.

2:06:46 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.

2:06:47 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm very open minded when it comes to

2:06:50 Speaker 4: this stuff. I just need more from it. But when

2:06:53 Speaker 4: I start hearing these upper level officers talking dead straight

2:07:01 Speaker 4: pan face about yes, we're doing this.

2:07:03 Speaker 3: This has been happening.

2:07:04 Speaker 4: Here are some of the species, and yes, we have

2:07:07 Speaker 4: entire fleets of you know, these vessels that are out there,

2:07:10 Speaker 4: they are cloaked. Sometimes they're not cloaked because you know,

2:07:12 Speaker 4: eighty percent of what we see in the sky is ours. Yeah,

2:07:15 Speaker 4: including the TR three B, which I've seen in person

2:07:19 Speaker 4: as many people have had that experience, and the other

2:07:22 Speaker 4: twenty percent I've been told is actually an extraterrestrial something

2:07:26 Speaker 4: off world the way we would define it. But we

2:07:29 Speaker 4: only see them because there's maybe a malfunction in that

2:07:31 Speaker 4: that cloaking or somebody made an error at that moment.

2:07:34 Speaker 4: Because they can still make mistakes too. It's not like

2:07:36 Speaker 4: they're angels and perfect or whatever the case may be.

2:07:38 Speaker 4: They're not this celestial being that you know doesn't still

2:07:43 Speaker 4: have a physical experience in some way.

2:07:45 Speaker 3: Shape or form.

2:07:45 Speaker 2: Right, problems happen, yes.

2:07:48 Speaker 3: Like ubiquitous across any species, you know what I mean.

2:07:50 Speaker 2: Right, You could argue, like what do you think these

2:07:55 Speaker 2: crashes are? Do you think that potentially we're bringing them

2:07:59 Speaker 2: down and then like letting everyone believe it's a crash.

2:08:04 Speaker 3: Sometimes it's that's exactly the case.

2:08:06 Speaker 2: We're shooting them down with like directed energy weapons, which

2:08:09 Speaker 2: are have just been confirmed as a reality, and guys

2:08:12 Speaker 2: like Eric Hecker who have been getting ship for a

2:08:15 Speaker 2: long time have been saying this that there are directed

2:08:19 Speaker 2: energy weapons out there and that we we have them

2:08:23 Speaker 2: and that we're actively using them. Not Havana syndrome is

2:08:30 Speaker 2: from Yeah, it's that's that's like a consequence of being targeted.

2:08:36 Speaker 3: And it's just an example of what you're talking.

2:08:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a smaller version of example. Yeah. So there's

2:08:42 Speaker 2: this idea of using directed energy weapons to bring these

2:08:44 Speaker 2: craft down and also like psionic assets that like will

2:08:52 Speaker 2: attempt to re establish control of the actual craft so

2:08:58 Speaker 2: that it will crash with the least amount. So like

2:09:01 Speaker 2: you take the driver out and then you try to

2:09:03 Speaker 2: hijack the actual craft for a minimal damage crash crash landing, right,

2:09:12 Speaker 2: because that's all landing is anyway, it's just controlled crash, right,

2:09:15 Speaker 2: So they try to That's at least what's going around now.

2:09:19 Speaker 2: I find it weird that like the very nuts and

2:09:23 Speaker 2: Bolts people like that started Nuts and Bolts, like Ross

2:09:27 Speaker 2: cool Tart and all these guys, they now all sound

2:09:31 Speaker 2: like doctor career and Fox News sounds like Coast to coast.

2:09:35 Speaker 3: Right, It was interesting to see that development.

2:09:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's like this new dichotomy that's like birth,

2:09:41 Speaker 2: this new industry been birth. But with that becomes this

2:09:47 Speaker 2: pursuit This, as Gene famous for me famously said, is

2:09:53 Speaker 2: this idea of the monetization of the pursuit of truth.

2:09:59 Speaker 2: So with just as much awesome stuff that we get

2:10:03 Speaker 2: to like talk about now, and like the conversation is

2:10:07 Speaker 2: opening up, we also have to be just like even

2:10:11 Speaker 2: more guarded for people coming in and being charlatans.

2:10:14 Speaker 4: Absolutely, because if you're hungry for that type of knowledge

2:10:18 Speaker 4: and information, as soon as it starts rolling out and

2:10:20 Speaker 4: becomes more of an accepted narrative, I mean, people are

2:10:22 Speaker 4: latching onto it but not doing the homework to you know,

2:10:25 Speaker 4: identify what's more truth and what's not. I see this

2:10:29 Speaker 4: happen all the time. Somebody online will come up with

2:10:31 Speaker 4: some idea. It's usually a theory. They speak about it

2:10:34 Speaker 4: as fact. A whole bunch of people look at and go, oh,

2:10:36 Speaker 4: that's a fact, And next thing you know, you have

2:10:38 Speaker 4: an entire community believing something that was contrived because nobody

2:10:42 Speaker 4: wants to do the homework to actually verify what's being said.

2:10:45 Speaker 4: They'll just look at the person and say, Okay, that

2:10:47 Speaker 4: sounds good, that sounds right, or I just believe that

2:10:49 Speaker 4: you know.

2:10:50 Speaker 3: So again, keeping critical thinking.

2:10:53 Speaker 2: And you pull that in.

2:10:54 Speaker 5: Yep.

2:10:55 Speaker 4: Sorry, Having critical thinking and analysis at your helm is

2:10:59 Speaker 4: the best thing that you can do for yourself in

2:11:01 Speaker 4: uncovering what truth we need to know now, because they're

2:11:04 Speaker 4: going to be falsities They're going to be misdirections that

2:11:07 Speaker 4: are given to us on purpose to continue to lead

2:11:10 Speaker 4: us astray and give them a little bit more time

2:11:12 Speaker 4: before the actual truth does eventually come out. Now, when

2:11:16 Speaker 4: we were going up, I don't know exactly how old

2:11:17 Speaker 4: you are, but I have feeling you're probably.

2:11:18 Speaker 3: Close to my age.

2:11:19 Speaker 4: Thirty three thirty three ll right, I'm forty four, so

2:11:22 Speaker 4: round about Okay. You couldn't watch any television program and

2:11:27 Speaker 4: have them say a cuss word like say hew or damn.

2:11:31 Speaker 4: Like remember when Beavis and Butt it came out. Yeah,

2:11:33 Speaker 4: you know that was a big deal because they were

2:11:34 Speaker 4: using softer curse words and so forth, but they.

2:11:36 Speaker 3: Were not kind of working into it. Today.

2:11:40 Speaker 4: I could be on Facebook and I see a commercial

2:11:43 Speaker 4: for like Rise Mushroom coffee. They're dropping every f bomb

2:11:46 Speaker 4: that they can think of in there. I'm like, what

2:11:48 Speaker 4: the fuck changed that all of this is now accepted?

2:11:52 Speaker 4: You know again, going back to my thought on YouTube,

2:11:54 Speaker 4: you know, where I was still getting my news from

2:11:56 Speaker 4: the newspaper or going you know, on the television, watching

2:11:59 Speaker 4: the keeping news. Nope, people all went into this other

2:12:02 Speaker 4: platform and now they're digesting it the way they want to.

2:12:05 Speaker 3: When they want to and how they want to.

2:12:07 Speaker 2: So you're not even getting the news now, you're getting

2:12:10 Speaker 2: your news.

2:12:10 Speaker 3: You're getting your news.

2:12:11 Speaker 2: It's tailored to you. And that's scary and control mechanism.

2:12:16 Speaker 3: It very much is.

2:12:17 Speaker 4: And there are some people who are aware of this

2:12:19 Speaker 4: and other people who just don't care and are more

2:12:21 Speaker 4: than happy to just go about their lives and allow

2:12:23 Speaker 4: this to unfold.

2:12:25 Speaker 3: Uh.

2:12:25 Speaker 4: You know, complicity in this case could get us killed

2:12:30 Speaker 4: as as an entire species complacency, sorry, complacency, but you

2:12:37 Speaker 4: know that being said, you know I can open up

2:12:42 Speaker 4: my feed now and you know that the top headline

2:12:44 Speaker 4: is going to be about the congressional hearings on UFOs,

2:12:46 Speaker 4: and they're going to be reporters that are digging deeper

2:12:48 Speaker 4: into this and bringing out more to contemplate into the

2:12:52 Speaker 4: public eye than you know, people would normally go and

2:12:55 Speaker 4: look for on their own. So something's happening here where again,

2:13:00 Speaker 4: And you and I can sit and have this conversation

2:13:01 Speaker 4: and I don't have to worry about, you know, losing

2:13:03 Speaker 4: my job tomorrow, or being disowned by family members or

2:13:06 Speaker 4: whatever the case may be, losing friends.

2:13:09 Speaker 3: And this isn't just you and I. This is everybody.

2:13:11 Speaker 4: So you're gonna have people come out say, well, I

2:13:13 Speaker 4: had an experienced sixty years ago. I never sold I

2:13:15 Speaker 4: never told anybody about because I feel safe to do

2:13:18 Speaker 4: it now everybody's talking about this shit.

2:13:20 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:13:20 Speaker 3: So, but again, with that.

2:13:24 Speaker 4: Flood of information that is being bestowed upon us at

2:13:26 Speaker 4: this time, like you said, it's it's important to be

2:13:30 Speaker 4: that much more guarded. And again I would just add

2:13:33 Speaker 4: that you have to do your research to verify what

2:13:36 Speaker 4: people are saying before you take complete stock in it.

2:13:39 Speaker 2: Again, rolling back as we wrap up, rolling back to

2:13:44 Speaker 2: what we originally kind of talked about, and I would

2:13:48 Speaker 2: love to have you back again. Man, you're such a

2:13:50 Speaker 2: person that, like I could just riff with, Oh absolutely,

2:13:53 Speaker 2: you're hours. Oh yeah, yeah, you're amazing. So rolling back

2:13:59 Speaker 2: says I, do you have like direct apprehension they're willing

2:14:02 Speaker 2: to just hear it and not go looking for there.

2:14:08 Speaker 2: They're not going to open the window and see that

2:14:09 Speaker 2: it's raining for themselves. They're just going to take your

2:14:12 Speaker 2: word that it's raining. Right, That's what we're getting in

2:14:15 Speaker 2: complacency in that regard when it comes to these very

2:14:19 Speaker 2: very existential threats to our civilization like AI and this, like,

2:14:27 Speaker 2: we have to be on the ball, we have to

2:14:32 Speaker 2: be united, we have to be like we're consistently putting

2:14:38 Speaker 2: ourselves in these boxes black, white, gay all. But it's

2:14:43 Speaker 2: like based on our sexuality, our gender, are, our skin color,

2:14:51 Speaker 2: our religious beliefs, like we love to just sequester ourselves

2:14:55 Speaker 2: into these boxes.

2:14:56 Speaker 3: And honestly, I don't know why people give a fuck me.

2:15:00 Speaker 2: I don't either, do I because nothing a united humanity

2:15:05 Speaker 2: could not do, right, It's the Tower of Babble. When

2:15:10 Speaker 2: we got too close, we're struck down and separated, right,

2:15:15 Speaker 2: And I think that's one of our problems, is whether

2:15:18 Speaker 2: that's allegory or you know, or or parable or you

2:15:25 Speaker 2: know or metaphor. The theme of it makes total sense,

2:15:33 Speaker 2: you know, a united human race. The sky's the limit, right,

2:15:41 Speaker 2: there's nothing we couldn't achieve. But while we're pointing the

2:15:45 Speaker 2: finger at you and I or each other, we're too

2:15:49 Speaker 2: busy fighting and infighting. And it happens. You see it

2:15:52 Speaker 2: in the Star Wars community right, like to that level.

2:15:57 Speaker 2: You see these factions in a Fox community. There's these factions. Shit,

2:16:02 Speaker 2: there's people in the paranormal world that don't like the

2:16:05 Speaker 2: UFO people and it's like, guys, what the fuck are

2:16:08 Speaker 2: we doing too much?

2:16:10 Speaker 4: You know, I've seen more drama in the paranormal world

2:16:13 Speaker 4: recently than I ever would have imagined I would ever

2:16:16 Speaker 4: come across. I'm out of it. I have nothing to

2:16:18 Speaker 4: do with it. But I know the people that are

2:16:19 Speaker 4: involved or have been involved in one way or another.

2:16:21 Speaker 4: And this person's angry at that person and that bah blah,

2:16:24 Speaker 4: bah blah blah.

2:16:25 Speaker 3: It goes back. It's so petty. It's so petty.

2:16:27 Speaker 4: At the very end of the day, what are we

2:16:28 Speaker 4: all doing. We're all doing the same thing. Just get

2:16:31 Speaker 4: in line, be united the way you're saying. It makes

2:16:34 Speaker 4: more sense to you know, further our field of research

2:16:39 Speaker 4: and intellect to be united in this sense. Look, we

2:16:41 Speaker 4: don't all have to have the same opinion. That's not

2:16:43 Speaker 4: what it's about. It's just take care of each other

2:16:46 Speaker 4: the way that you would take care of yourself.

2:16:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you disagree, shake hands at the end

2:16:51 Speaker 2: of the day and say, you know what, I respect

2:16:55 Speaker 2: that you have that opinion. Unfortunately I don't, but I'm

2:17:00 Speaker 2: glad we had, you know. It's it's it's now gotten

2:17:03 Speaker 2: to this point where it's like if you're if you're

2:17:06 Speaker 2: not with me, you're my enemy.

2:17:09 Speaker 3: You're against me.

2:17:12 Speaker 2: With such the wrong mentality, you know, And like I

2:17:16 Speaker 2: liken it to like the way I grew up, and

2:17:19 Speaker 2: probably the way you grew up, and probably the way

2:17:21 Speaker 2: Jean grew up.

2:17:21 Speaker 3: Where it was.

2:17:22 Speaker 2: That that saying came, it was like it takes a village, right.

2:17:26 Speaker 2: I used to be able to walk into a neighbor's house,

2:17:31 Speaker 2: the mom be cooking dinner. I'd walk in, walk right

2:17:35 Speaker 2: up the stairs, bad an eye right, Hey, diy, what's

2:17:41 Speaker 2: going on? Even with us? Like stuff like that. It

2:17:45 Speaker 2: took a village. Now you don't know your neighbors. No

2:17:48 Speaker 2: one knows their neighbors because we're scared of we're scared

2:17:53 Speaker 2: of each other. Now we're scared because we don't we

2:17:56 Speaker 2: don't want conflict, and we don't we we naturally are

2:17:59 Speaker 2: default setting is that there could be conflicts. So I'm

2:18:04 Speaker 2: just gonna avoid it at all costs. Right, So we've

2:18:07 Speaker 2: been conditioned, and it's and I've seen it. You saw

2:18:10 Speaker 2: it start with like nine to eleven. And then with

2:18:16 Speaker 2: with the flu. We can't say the word because we'll

2:18:19 Speaker 2: get to monetize.

2:18:20 Speaker 4: But with the flu, make sure you take that I

2:18:22 Speaker 4: said it earlier to make sure you take that.

2:18:24 Speaker 2: Did you say it?

2:18:25 Speaker 4: I did, as I was referring to a time. This

2:18:28 Speaker 4: is early in the interview, so it's probably within the

2:18:30 Speaker 4: first like twenty minutes.

2:18:31 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll I'll get it. Where they tighten the grip,

2:18:35 Speaker 2: the tighten the vices, and now you're seeing these flock

2:18:38 Speaker 2: cameras pop up everywhere. Yes, right, and this is a

2:18:41 Speaker 2: level of digital surveillance now that's unhithered. It's it's never

2:18:46 Speaker 2: been seen before. And I'm sorry it has been seen

2:18:50 Speaker 2: before in fucking China.

2:18:53 Speaker 3: Well that's a different story, yes, right.

2:18:55 Speaker 2: In China where they have a social fucking credit school

2:19:00 Speaker 2: and if you bad mount the government, they lock your

2:19:03 Speaker 2: money and you can't leave the country and you might

2:19:06 Speaker 2: go missing in an alley. Right, come on, guys, are

2:19:11 Speaker 2: we gonna let ourselves go down this road? Because if

2:19:14 Speaker 2: we do, and if we can become complacent. And I

2:19:16 Speaker 2: don't mean to make this political, but there is a

2:19:19 Speaker 2: roundabout way people voices independent voices like yours. What you're

2:19:24 Speaker 2: doing where you're putting films out, you're putting this independent

2:19:31 Speaker 2: like the core message to like a lot of what

2:19:35 Speaker 2: we are talking about is like you said, disclosure will

2:19:39 Speaker 2: come from within. Some it's okay to look out and

2:19:44 Speaker 2: look up and wonder what's out there, but you also

2:19:48 Speaker 2: have to look in.

2:19:50 Speaker 3: Well. People don't realize.

2:19:51 Speaker 4: Not to cut you off, but just no, you're not

2:19:53 Speaker 4: going well, you're out. Your exterior world is a reflection

2:19:58 Speaker 4: of your inner world. And yeah, we share common experiences,

2:20:01 Speaker 4: and you know, we have consensus about certain things. This

2:20:04 Speaker 4: is a desk that's a dog, but there's still a

2:20:06 Speaker 4: reflection dog. There's a manifestation of this reality coming from you,

2:20:11 Speaker 4: happening in real time, and everybody's doing it. And we're

2:20:13 Speaker 4: collectively creating this reality together as well. So there's an

2:20:17 Speaker 4: individual creation and there's a collective creation. Before we run

2:20:23 Speaker 4: out of time, there is something I wanted to show you.

2:20:27 Speaker 4: How are your what are your thoughts on?

2:20:30 Speaker 3: What's the word? Not simatics? What the hell is it? Psionics?

2:20:37 Speaker 4: No, not psionics where you're holding an object in your hand.

2:20:44 Speaker 4: It's something with anyway, what was it spoon bending? I

2:20:50 Speaker 4: don't see erry Yella here, but anyway, I'll think of

2:20:55 Speaker 4: the word. I just had it on my tongue and anyway, yes,

2:20:59 Speaker 4: thank you. I think that's what I'm looking for right there.

2:21:01 Speaker 2: Oh my god, are you about to demonstrate?

2:21:03 Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm actually gonna give you something to hold.

2:21:06 Speaker 2: Oh shit, all right? Should we go tight for this?

2:21:10 Speaker 2: H What is this?

2:21:14 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna tell you yet. You just feel it

2:21:16 Speaker 4: and tell me if you get anything off of it.

2:21:20 Speaker 2: Just feel it.

2:21:21 Speaker 4: This hole in your hand. Do you get anything off

2:21:23 Speaker 4: of it? Does it get warm? Do you feel weird

2:21:25 Speaker 4: in your chest? Do you get any buzziness in your head?

2:21:27 Speaker 3: Anything like that? Com dying? I can't think of that

2:21:30 Speaker 3: fucking word psychometry right there?

2:21:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you got? It's like this. I can't

2:22:03 Speaker 2: quite explain it. It's like a vibration, but it's like

2:22:09 Speaker 2: in my head and I can feel like reverberating through

2:22:18 Speaker 2: my It's like give it's almost like lightheadedness.

2:22:22 Speaker 3: What is that in your hand?

2:22:24 Speaker 2: What the fuck is it?

2:22:26 Speaker 4: You hold material that ran every frequency used in the

2:22:32 Speaker 4: Montalk project. That's from the Sage radar tower. There are

2:22:36 Speaker 4: people I've given this to who cannot hold it. There

2:22:38 Speaker 4: are people that have held it who have pacemakers, and

2:22:41 Speaker 4: the pacemakers starts going nuts because their heart rate is skyrocketing,

2:22:45 Speaker 4: and the pacemaker's trying to bring it back down. They

2:22:46 Speaker 4: put it down, it stops immediately, they pick it up,

2:22:49 Speaker 4: it begins again. When I was doing the second documentary

2:22:52 Speaker 4: on Montalk, I wanted to have a segment where I'd

2:22:55 Speaker 4: have a psychic come in in a psychotronic sense, hold this,

2:22:58 Speaker 4: and I would record the segment the way I just

2:23:00 Speaker 4: did with you, Okay, not initially telling them what it was.

2:23:03 Speaker 4: I sent out emails, I made phone calls, spoke about

2:23:06 Speaker 4: twenty different clairvoyants. Every single one of them declined to

2:23:10 Speaker 4: have anything to do with that piece, and in most

2:23:12 Speaker 4: cases they would remote you at first, and then they

2:23:14 Speaker 4: start cussing me out, asking me why I ever had

2:23:16 Speaker 4: the audacity to bring this object so close to them

2:23:19 Speaker 4: in one way or another. I only had one person

2:23:22 Speaker 4: who eventually agreed to do it, and I didn't follow

2:23:24 Speaker 4: up on it. I could still do it today, But

2:23:26 Speaker 4: that being said, that's how powerful this shit is.

2:23:28 Speaker 2: I'm like very lightheaded right now.

2:23:31 Speaker 3: I want to try it.

2:23:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like very lightheaded right now, and like like

2:23:38 Speaker 2: it's almost like I'm seeing an HD.

2:23:43 Speaker 3: People have these experiences that you're reporting right now.

2:23:46 Speaker 2: This is fucking incredible. Wait wait wait wait wait wait yeah, yeah, yeah,

2:23:56 Speaker 2: I thought that my head right away.

2:24:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's not do that, you know what. You know

2:24:04 Speaker 3: what's funny.

2:24:05 Speaker 9: As soon as I touched this part here, it's very

2:24:07 Speaker 9: warm and I feel a chill.

2:24:10 Speaker 1: Like up the back.

2:24:13 Speaker 2: I like immediately got like this, like I don't want

2:24:16 Speaker 2: to spoil your It's like I'm seeing an HD right now.

2:24:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a tingling.

2:24:27 Speaker 2: Close your eyes and like just feel.

2:24:30 Speaker 9: I'm telling you that's why I grabbed you know, I

2:24:31 Speaker 9: just took it. I put it in my hand and

2:24:34 Speaker 9: I and I'm holding this part here and holding this

2:24:38 Speaker 9: part this lower this lower right party.

2:24:45 Speaker 2: It's fucking like this is the most Yeah, sit with

2:24:50 Speaker 2: it for a few minutes because all because the longer

2:24:52 Speaker 2: I sat with it, the more comfortable the feeling became.

2:24:55 Speaker 2: And now it's like a clearheadedness where I'm like, I'm

2:24:59 Speaker 2: like a I'm seeing in like a clarity I haven't

2:25:03 Speaker 2: had before.

2:25:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what happens.

2:25:07 Speaker 2: I've been gripping it pretty tight, and it's I've got

2:25:10 Speaker 2: this like crowned feeling where it's like something's at the

2:25:13 Speaker 2: top of my head right now.

2:25:15 Speaker 3: Opens the.

2:25:17 Speaker 2: Chakra, crown chakra.

2:25:19 Speaker 4: That's how they would actually extract your soul and the

2:25:21 Speaker 4: case is fucking wild. It open that crown chakra, and

2:25:25 Speaker 4: the way they do it, I'm gonna let your audience

2:25:28 Speaker 4: use their imagination because it's a horrific way to do it.

2:25:31 Speaker 3: But let me just put it this way.

2:25:32 Speaker 4: When you have an orgasm, all your chakras open, so

2:25:37 Speaker 4: again we're talking about kids here, open chakras.

2:25:43 Speaker 3: I'll leave you with that.

2:25:45 Speaker 4: And the person who was in charge of that, Preston Nichols,

2:25:47 Speaker 4: made no qualms about the fact that he had to

2:25:50 Speaker 4: do it.

2:25:50 Speaker 3: Now did he like it? We don't really know.

2:25:53 Speaker 4: Okay, there might be that aspect of that personality that

2:25:57 Speaker 4: enjoyed that kind of ship.

2:26:00 Speaker 3: Yeah.

2:26:00 Speaker 2: Right.

2:26:00 Speaker 8: So now I'm sitting here with my eyes closed, right

2:26:05 Speaker 8: and literally it's like I can see Dahn on a

2:26:09 Speaker 8: tunnel and all of the it's like, uh, like red waves,

2:26:14 Speaker 8: Like I'm moving through a tunnel and there's like red waves,

2:26:17 Speaker 8: like it's just.

2:26:19 Speaker 7: Strict red lines.

2:26:22 Speaker 5: And I've got a ringing in my left ear.

2:26:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got like a and then this that's like

2:26:33 Speaker 2: nothing I've ever experienced before.

2:26:36 Speaker 4: And I'm very fortunate to add these pieces because I

2:26:38 Speaker 4: went back a following year to you know, gather a

2:26:40 Speaker 4: few more up just for a collection, and because I've

2:26:42 Speaker 4: given some away, uh to certain people, and you can't

2:26:46 Speaker 4: find these pieces. Yes, the tower is still decaying, the

2:26:49 Speaker 4: radar itself is decaying, but it's like the earth has just.

2:26:52 Speaker 3: Swallowed them up in a year.

2:26:57 Speaker 1: I want my LEAs.

2:26:59 Speaker 4: I may have a at home that I can send

2:27:01 Speaker 4: to you. I just have to go back at in

2:27:03 Speaker 4: my studio and take a peek.

2:27:04 Speaker 3: I may have one, though I'll pay for it now

2:27:07 Speaker 3: you won't. It'll be a gift. This is like, this is.

2:27:13 Speaker 2: Because I just never felt something.

2:27:15 Speaker 3: Like that before. So this is a lot of this

2:27:18 Speaker 3: is done underground too.

2:27:19 Speaker 4: So you're talking about walking through a dark corridor or

2:27:21 Speaker 4: a tunnel like that.

2:27:23 Speaker 3: That's the majority of where this stuff happened.

2:27:25 Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, it was like there's a distance, there's

2:27:28 Speaker 8: a you know, dark It's kind.

2:27:30 Speaker 4: Of reminds me like a yeah, Well, I wanted to

2:27:33 Speaker 4: make some jewelry out of it, and I'm like, well,

2:27:34 Speaker 4: nobody can wear it, so never mind.

2:27:37 Speaker 7: But I'm you know, I mean, I can't.

2:27:40 Speaker 8: I want to have you do it, but I'm telling

2:27:42 Speaker 8: I hold it here like this, it's war.

2:27:48 Speaker 3: I do it here.

2:27:49 Speaker 8: It feels like the rest of them mouth.

2:27:52 Speaker 4: Keep in mind, this particular material was used in time

2:27:55 Speaker 4: travel experiment, so this has not just a physical component,

2:27:58 Speaker 4: but it exists on many different levels that are more

2:28:01 Speaker 4: tangible because of the experiments that it was used.

2:28:05 Speaker 2: One hand feels. Man, I've had I've had some pretty

2:28:10 Speaker 2: uh jarring experiences the past two days. I'm having an

2:28:13 Speaker 2: existential crisis right now. I'm having a pretty existential I've

2:28:18 Speaker 2: had two things happened to me in the past two days.

2:28:20 Speaker 2: I cannot understand and I can't explain. I don't know why,

2:28:25 Speaker 2: because now that it's out of my hand, it's almost

2:28:28 Speaker 2: like I'm reverting back.

2:28:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll realign to what you're.

2:28:35 Speaker 8: It's so like I got a PRIs here right my

2:28:41 Speaker 8: hands or the palms are warm, but this is cool.

2:28:45 Speaker 3: Yep. I can't tell you why that is, but I've

2:28:48 Speaker 3: had other people feel the same thing you are. I

2:28:53 Speaker 3: can't and this is why I brought it.

2:28:55 Speaker 2: I can't explain it. I can't explain that.

2:28:59 Speaker 4: Well, it's not every day going to hold a bit

2:29:00 Speaker 4: of material like that, and we're talking years in years

2:29:03 Speaker 4: of that research.

2:29:04 Speaker 2: It's got a residual, it's got a residuals did you

2:29:13 Speaker 2: get it. Yeah, Oh my god.

2:29:16 Speaker 3: And it's cool. It's cool.

2:29:20 Speaker 4: I've never almost like this whole life, like there's there's

2:29:24 Speaker 4: some kind of energy.

2:29:25 Speaker 2: That thank you for doing that.

2:29:27 Speaker 3: Oh my pleasure.

2:29:28 Speaker 2: Man. That was That's a wild moment of podcast history. Again,

2:29:31 Speaker 2: going through in this studio, it was like does That's

2:29:33 Speaker 2: the probably one of the craziest things I've ever experienced

2:29:37 Speaker 2: from a guest. I'm glad that. I'm glad that I

2:29:39 Speaker 2: won that with that was insane.

2:29:41 Speaker 3: I almost walked out. I'm like, oh no, I gotta

2:29:42 Speaker 3: bring this.

2:29:43 Speaker 2: I saw a yellow bag, come on. I go over there,

2:29:47 Speaker 2: and then he goes, I hold this, and I go,

2:29:49 Speaker 2: oh right, all right?

2:29:51 Speaker 3: Right?

2:29:52 Speaker 2: That was that was. I don't know how that's going

2:29:56 Speaker 2: to translate on camera, but I hope you know that.

2:29:59 Speaker 2: I again, that ship is where I kind of draw

2:30:03 Speaker 2: the line. I have a hard time with it. But

2:30:06 Speaker 2: as soon as that, because I had it gripped for

2:30:09 Speaker 2: quite a while and then this like vibration came up

2:30:13 Speaker 2: and it was like I was like flickering, like like

2:30:16 Speaker 2: my you know, like that internal picture in your head.

2:30:19 Speaker 2: It started flickering and then boom like I was HD.

2:30:25 Speaker 2: As soon as I adjusted to it. It was like

2:30:27 Speaker 2: the room became hd.

2:30:29 Speaker 5: It was literally like like a power charge.

2:30:34 Speaker 7: Yeah, it got warm, it shot over here, got tangling

2:30:38 Speaker 7: this you know, lower right water.

2:30:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't feel anything on my head anymore. At

2:30:43 Speaker 2: the top of my head. I felt this. Once I

2:30:46 Speaker 2: acclimated to it, I felt this like opening up here.

2:30:51 Speaker 2: It just kept like it kind of like when you

2:30:53 Speaker 2: take if anyone's taking mushrooms here, you know, when the

2:30:56 Speaker 2: mushrooms first start to kick on and you get that

2:30:59 Speaker 2: like zing feeling like some people get in their nose.

2:31:02 Speaker 2: I had it at the top the top of the

2:31:05 Speaker 2: crowd of my head and the whole time I was

2:31:07 Speaker 2: holding it. Once I acclimated to it and it was

2:31:09 Speaker 2: just like, but now it's gone completely gone. Let's test

2:31:17 Speaker 2: that project, Superman.

2:31:19 Speaker 3: You know that's a lot up there, buddy, but.

2:31:22 Speaker 2: We're gonna head into a members only section. That was

2:31:26 Speaker 2: a fucking hell of a bang to end that episode

2:31:28 Speaker 2: on My God, you are truly a special individual. Appreciate

2:31:34 Speaker 2: what do you What are you working on right now?

2:31:36 Speaker 2: Where can people find you? Huge plug like plug everything.

2:31:41 Speaker 4: So, as I mentioned, I'm the founder of Dark Hour Paranormal.

2:31:44 Speaker 4: You can find me on YouTube. Go check out Contact

2:31:48 Speaker 4: in the Woods the Doctor Jonathan Read story. You'll also

2:31:51 Speaker 4: see me in that. Oh why am I drawing a

2:31:56 Speaker 4: blank all of a sudden?

2:31:57 Speaker 3: Here?

2:31:57 Speaker 4: Oh what I'm working on now? I have a few

2:31:59 Speaker 4: dot comentaries in the works. Right now, I'm putting together

2:32:03 Speaker 4: like a half hour forty minute documentary on the Mansfield

2:32:06 Speaker 4: Training School out in Stores, Connecticut. Real deep history was

2:32:11 Speaker 4: a mental health facility for children and a lot of

2:32:15 Speaker 4: things happened there. But that should be completed probably by

2:32:18 Speaker 4: the end of the week. I have one on Bigfoot

2:32:21 Speaker 4: with Long Island Bigfoot Mike col Antonio. I've been working

2:32:24 Speaker 4: on that for about three years, so that's interesting. It's

2:32:27 Speaker 4: not as easy to shoot for because you know you're

2:32:28 Speaker 4: going in the woods and there are a lot of

2:32:30 Speaker 4: different elements to consider when you're doing stuff like that

2:32:33 Speaker 4: in the cryptid world. I'm a musician as well, so

2:32:38 Speaker 4: I have some music i'm working on that o't that's

2:32:41 Speaker 4: release on the channel, And then today I do more

2:32:43 Speaker 4: for fun. I've toured extensively for many years doing this stuff,

2:32:46 Speaker 4: and you know, eventually came.

2:32:48 Speaker 3: Back to radio and what have you.

2:32:49 Speaker 4: But at the moment, that's pretty much what I'm working on.

2:32:52 Speaker 4: But yes, you can find me on Dark Hour, Paranormal

2:32:54 Speaker 4: sometimes on third phase of Moon Doctor j Radio Live

2:32:58 Speaker 4: Goofon with Richard Jordanno. Yeah, and of course you can

2:33:01 Speaker 4: find me in all the para cons that we have

2:33:03 Speaker 4: out here, the paranormal conventions, I host them.

2:33:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, but I'd love to get invited to

2:33:10 Speaker 2: one of those and come cover it like I have

2:33:12 Speaker 2: for like the UFO world, you know, so we'll have

2:33:16 Speaker 2: to chat, yes we will. Thank you everyone for tuning in.

2:33:23 Speaker 2: Truly truly fun, amazing episode. I'm still a little ontologically

2:33:29 Speaker 2: kind of shaken, uh from what I just experienced, so

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2:33:43 Speaker 2: put your put you up, and you know, do due

2:33:47 Speaker 2: part two.

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2:35:03 Speaker 10: Generally from toxic exposures and things like that in the

2:35:07 Speaker 10: military and over like over the you know, over the years,

2:35:14 Speaker 10: like I'd have arm pains, I have this and that,

2:35:16 Speaker 10: and then about three years ago it started affecting my

2:35:20 Speaker 10: legs and they're like you can't, Like.

2:35:24 Speaker 7: It was like your your immune systems, even your nervous system.

2:35:30 Speaker 4: And that was it.

2:35:30 Speaker 10: And I went to physical therapy and everything like that,

2:35:34 Speaker 10: and I swear to God, I swear to God, every bit.

2:35:40 Speaker 2: Of pain is gone. Yeah, I've actually never seen a

2:35:43 Speaker 2: walk that it consisted.

2:35:50 Speaker 5: I mean, it's like I cheap.

2:35:52 Speaker 10: Pounce constructed because I like pouncing state and I'm I'm

2:36:01 Speaker 10: like walking home.

2:36:03 Speaker 3: It struck me. I'm like, that's why I yelled for Tommy.

2:36:06 Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't have any pain.

2:36:10 Speaker 5: I don't know what that shit was here.

2:36:12 Speaker 4: You had me a whole.

2:36:30 Speaker 6: All right.

2:36:31 Speaker 7: So it is less than twenty four hours since we

2:36:37 Speaker 7: recorded that episode, and I'm just I asked me to

2:36:44 Speaker 7: make some comments and kind of show the status today here.

2:36:48 Speaker 7: I am no Caine. I feel great. I had a

2:36:54 Speaker 7: great night's sleep. I had some really vivid dreams. One

2:37:02 Speaker 7: was about like being in hospital. Funny thing coincidentally about it.

2:37:06 Speaker 7: You know, my sister got up this morning. She shares

2:37:09 Speaker 7: a home.

2:37:09 Speaker 5: With us, and I was like, watch this.

2:37:12 Speaker 7: I was sitting down when she came outside and I

2:37:15 Speaker 7: stood up and started walking around, and.

2:37:16 Speaker 5: She was just like the fuck I told her. I

2:37:19 Speaker 5: told her the story. And now I'm wandering down. We

2:37:25 Speaker 5: have a lovely, lovely bicycle trail right next to the house,

2:37:31 Speaker 5: and this distance that I've walked just in this short time.

2:37:39 Speaker 7: Haven't done this in

2:37:43 Speaker 5: Probably a little just about three years,