MONTAUK PROJECT, THE BRIDGEWATER TRIANGLE, & THE PARANORMAL FT. MICHAEL ROSER

0:38 Speaker 1: Icly.

1:01 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name's Ty and I'm

1:04 Speaker 2: the host of the show. I just want to say

1:07 Speaker 2: that this episode that you're about to get into is wild.

1:11 Speaker 2: I am still reeling and trying to wrap my head

1:16 Speaker 2: around what actually took place, especially towards the end of

1:21 Speaker 2: today's episode. It was wild and we may have even

1:25 Speaker 2: caught a miracle on camera. It's truly breathtaking. Our guest

1:32 Speaker 2: today is Michael Roser. He is an author, a filmmaker.

1:37 Speaker 2: He's a researcher an investigator of the paranormal and he

1:42 Speaker 2: works with energy healing and is big into that side

1:49 Speaker 2: of the phenomena.

1:51 Speaker 3: And I can't disagree because.

1:52 Speaker 2: Once he arrived at the studio, there was just an

1:56 Speaker 2: aura that overtook the whole team. People were forgetting to

2:01 Speaker 2: do their jobs because they were so enthralled with what

2:04 Speaker 2: was actually being said. It was just it was something

2:08 Speaker 2: I've never experienced before. And then not to mention what

2:12 Speaker 2: happens at the end of the episode, and you'll have

2:15 Speaker 2: to watch to find out. But again, I think we

2:19 Speaker 2: may have caught something crazy and miraculous on camera. We're

2:25 Speaker 2: still talking about it right now. It's just something I

2:29 Speaker 2: can't explain, and most people will know me as the

2:32 Speaker 2: person who's very, very skeptical when it comes to the paranormal,

2:37 Speaker 2: and you know, some of these other things that are

2:41 Speaker 2: just more beyond the veil. So it's with an honor

2:46 Speaker 2: that I get to say that I still can't logically

2:50 Speaker 2: or rationally explain what happened during this episode.

2:54 Speaker 3: I hope you enjoy it. Let's get into.

2:57 Speaker 4: It, Sist, everybody, welcome back to Total Disclosure.

4:32 Speaker 3: My name's Ty.

4:33 Speaker 2: We're super excited to be here. As I said in

4:37 Speaker 2: the intro, we're welcoming today. Michael, Michael, how are you.

4:42 Speaker 2: It's been We actually met, and I think this is awesome.

4:48 Speaker 2: We met when you know, I was a little bit

4:50 Speaker 2: more naive in my youth, or you know, I was

4:54 Speaker 2: a little headstrong and I tried to make a documentary

4:58 Speaker 2: and didn't really think it out, and you came down

5:03 Speaker 2: to Bridgewater and that's where we met on that and

5:08 Speaker 2: you know, I've been talking about that night a lot lately,

5:12 Speaker 2: especially because last episode was Peter Muse and he runs

5:15 Speaker 2: the New England Folklore blog, and you know, I got

5:18 Speaker 2: to kind of tell the whole story. It was amazing,

5:20 Speaker 2: like it was cool to just kind of get it

5:22 Speaker 2: all out, because that first night at the Random Dog

5:24 Speaker 2: Track after you left, that was probably the closest brush

5:27 Speaker 2: with the paranormal aside from maybe last night.

5:32 Speaker 3: But it's good to have you here.

5:35 Speaker 2: Can you tell our audience a little bit about who

5:38 Speaker 2: you are, how you got into the topic of, you know,

5:42 Speaker 2: the phenomena in general, and what is your expertise. I

5:46 Speaker 2: you know, you have a long list of credits. You're

5:48 Speaker 2: an author or upcoming author, You're a filmmaker. You know,

5:53 Speaker 2: you're a researcher, an investigator. You've done boots on the ground,

5:56 Speaker 2: You've done almost everything. So, you know, superpa to have you.

6:01 Speaker 5: Thank you well, thank you. I appreciate your kind words.

6:05 Speaker 5: You know, myself, I've gotten into this field of esoterics

6:09 Speaker 5: very early in my life. Ninety six is where i'd

6:11 Speaker 5: kind of peg my serious take on the subject. And

6:15 Speaker 5: you know, it started with Carl Sagan, it started with

6:18 Speaker 5: you know, Robert Staform and solved mysteries. And of course

6:21 Speaker 5: in those days, there weren't many places that you could

6:23 Speaker 5: go for certain valuable information dealing with the paranormal, eupology

6:27 Speaker 5: or any of this stuff. Really you were lucky if

6:29 Speaker 5: you found something in the library on the Locknest Monster,

6:32 Speaker 5: And of course you know all of these entities, if

6:35 Speaker 5: you will, is where I began. Even at that age,

6:39 Speaker 5: you know, I'm looking at like fourteen fifteen at most,

6:43 Speaker 5: I was already working with energy what we now know

6:46 Speaker 5: today in the modality of reiki. At that time we

6:49 Speaker 5: just called it free energy or healing energy. And you know,

6:53 Speaker 5: I was very much in tune with all of that.

6:55 Speaker 5: I would say my real awakening, tortuality and the likes

7:01 Speaker 5: came from a book by Betty j Edy, and this

7:04 Speaker 5: was called Embraced by the Light, and even to this

7:06 Speaker 5: day is the most heavily documented near death experience that's

7:10 Speaker 5: on paper.

7:11 Speaker 3: Can you yeah, do you mind telling me about it? Really?

7:14 Speaker 6: Yeah?

7:14 Speaker 3: Sure?

7:14 Speaker 5: I mean, essentially, this woman, I don't remember what exactly

7:18 Speaker 5: happened to her in terms of the trauma, but she

7:21 Speaker 5: she died clinically and had her own experience going into

7:25 Speaker 5: the afterlife, wherein she went on what one could consider

7:29 Speaker 5: many adventures. Time does not exist the way that it

7:32 Speaker 5: exists here for us in terms of perception. Obviously it's

7:34 Speaker 5: not linear, we know that, but no more is it

7:38 Speaker 5: apparent than in the afterlife or in those higher vibrations,

7:43 Speaker 5: if you will. So she had an entire story and

7:46 Speaker 5: then eventually was told that she had to come back.

7:48 Speaker 5: She wasn't finished, as most people do. They kicked and fought,

7:52 Speaker 5: you know, as much as she could, and they said, Nope,

7:54 Speaker 5: that's it. You still have to go back. You have

7:55 Speaker 5: things you're doing. So she came back, and since that

7:59 Speaker 5: time she has traveled around the world, going on all

8:02 Speaker 5: the major circuits of syndicated television and authorship and so forth,

8:06 Speaker 5: sharing her story, which has never changed in detail since

8:11 Speaker 5: she first started speaking about it. So again, for me,

8:14 Speaker 5: that was sort of the open eye that I needed

8:17 Speaker 5: to kind of guide myself into, you know, getting into

8:20 Speaker 5: astra projection after the fact, going into you know, using

8:24 Speaker 5: stones and semi precious rocks for healing modalities. So I was,

8:29 Speaker 5: let's see, God, it was maybe twenty years I waited

8:33 Speaker 5: to actually sit down and talk with her in person.

8:43 Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, tie here. Sorry to interrupt, but I just

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9:57 Speaker 5: Which I did have that opportunity on my show Dark

9:59 Speaker 5: Hour Paranormal and it was a fantastic interview. And at

10:03 Speaker 5: the end, you know, she was asking me some personal

10:06 Speaker 5: questions about my life and what I was working with

10:07 Speaker 5: and so forth, and you know I would discuss this

10:09 Speaker 5: with her. She was nice enough to send me pages

10:12 Speaker 5: upon pages of information of things that I could implement

10:15 Speaker 5: in a practical sense to you know, aid my spirituality

10:18 Speaker 5: and path, if you will. So very wonderful woman, But

10:21 Speaker 5: that's where I got started.

10:23 Speaker 3: Wow.

10:24 Speaker 2: And you know, one of the things about the near

10:27 Speaker 2: death experience that I find very intriguing is the fact

10:32 Speaker 2: that they often don't want to come back.

10:34 Speaker 5: Most almost in every case, they don't want to come

10:37 Speaker 5: back right there.

10:37 Speaker 2: It's almost like they feel the oneness or you know,

10:42 Speaker 2: like the attachment to the source right, call it the muse,

10:48 Speaker 2: call it whatever you want. It's like, but they feel

10:50 Speaker 2: that love and like that freedom right, freedom from the

10:56 Speaker 2: biological restrictions.

10:58 Speaker 3: That you know, we have.

11:00 Speaker 2: And it is really it's a detail that you see

11:03 Speaker 2: almost every time, is that they're like, I don't want

11:06 Speaker 2: to go back, but it's like and someone saying you

11:08 Speaker 2: have work to do, Like you still have things to do.

11:11 Speaker 2: So that's like, I find that to be very interesting

11:14 Speaker 2: because it's something we hear all the time.

11:16 Speaker 5: Well, you have to keep in mind too that you know,

11:18 Speaker 5: allegedly when we leave this meat suit, if you will,

11:24 Speaker 5: you know you're going through different vibrations, so when you

11:27 Speaker 5: release the body, it's more of a tactile thing than

11:31 Speaker 5: you would imagine. So once you go into those higher vibrations,

11:33 Speaker 5: you already supersede duality to a large extent. Now, duality

11:37 Speaker 5: still goes within, you know, the third dimension and the

11:40 Speaker 5: way that we understand and are familiar with it, But

11:42 Speaker 5: as you go up in the vibrations, that apparent nature

11:46 Speaker 5: is lessened. So at some point you just lose the

11:49 Speaker 5: duality altogether. And that's when you get that connection to

11:52 Speaker 5: the source, which you're then very familiar with and don't

11:55 Speaker 5: want to leave. But coming back, it's a lot of

11:59 Speaker 5: work for that soul to incarnate in this vibration. It's

12:03 Speaker 5: very heavy down here, and the soul knows that it

12:06 Speaker 5: feels it immediately, and even when you know somebody's coming

12:10 Speaker 5: in to be born, the soul doesn't automatically anchor into

12:14 Speaker 5: that body fully until puberty. And that's something that I've

12:18 Speaker 5: noticed for quite some time, because there's a reason that

12:21 Speaker 5: once you hit puberty, all of a sudden, you start thinking

12:23 Speaker 5: you know everything, or you're questioning your outside world. You're

12:25 Speaker 5: actually looking around you and you know, questioning what the

12:29 Speaker 5: nature of reality is. Prior to that you're sort of automatic.

12:34 Speaker 3: Wow, I didn't even think.

12:39 Speaker 2: That's interesting because it's kind of spot on. After puberty

12:46 Speaker 2: is like, it's weird because like I remember like a

12:49 Speaker 2: pre puberty life and a post puberty life, Like things change, Like.

12:55 Speaker 3: You feel more. You're not like feeling around anymore.

13:00 Speaker 2: You've now come up with the like what you think

13:04 Speaker 2: reality is. You've you've you've kind of become comfortable with Okay,

13:09 Speaker 2: this is what reality is. You're no longer sticking things

13:12 Speaker 2: in your mouth as a baby to feel things, and

13:14 Speaker 2: you know, experience the world through whatever sense as you can.

13:18 Speaker 2: You're now like, okay, I've done all that and now

13:22 Speaker 2: I've formed this idea of what reality is. So these

13:26 Speaker 2: are very formative years in someone's life.

13:28 Speaker 3: So it's interesting that.

13:29 Speaker 2: You say that the actual fundamental soul part of it

13:34 Speaker 2: isn't actually attached until that time, right, It's not anchored.

13:39 Speaker 5: Right, So there's still a part of you that's in

13:41 Speaker 5: that body, obviously, but from my observation, that's that's what

13:47 Speaker 5: it is. It takes that time to anchor itself in

13:51 Speaker 5: and then again around puberty that's when you start really

13:53 Speaker 5: seeing this. Now, keep in mind too that when you

13:56 Speaker 5: come into this world, you are given a perception of

13:58 Speaker 5: the world first and foremost, you do not form your

14:00 Speaker 5: own idea. In many cases, that's given to you by parents, authority, figures, teachers,

14:06 Speaker 5: those around you. So again, once you hit puberty, you

14:09 Speaker 5: start looking at those perceptions of the world and questioning

14:12 Speaker 5: them if that's legitimate for you, if that's the way

14:15 Speaker 5: you're seeing things, and then you start forming your own

14:17 Speaker 5: idea about what reality really is.

14:20 Speaker 3: Right, right, So, how how old were you? You were fifteen, sixteen?

14:29 Speaker 2: You start dabbling or you kind of dive head first,

14:33 Speaker 2: like you see a path and you're like, this is

14:36 Speaker 2: my path.

14:37 Speaker 3: Or I'm maybe I'm assuming here.

14:40 Speaker 5: No, you're pretty accurate with that. Yeah, it was very

14:42 Speaker 5: resonant with me.

14:44 Speaker 2: When is it that you have your first like was

14:48 Speaker 2: there an experience, like what was your first brush with

14:53 Speaker 2: what we call the phenomenon, whether it's in the sky

14:56 Speaker 2: or you know, paranormal more paranormal base, But when does

15:00 Speaker 2: that happen? Or does it happen?

15:02 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there are some defining moments I would

15:05 Speaker 5: say that kind of go down that path. For me,

15:10 Speaker 5: it really started internally. I didn't realize, you know, at

15:15 Speaker 5: a young age that I was a medium and that

15:17 Speaker 5: I was clairvoyant. But I was walking around within that structure,

15:21 Speaker 5: and there was a point where I really had the

15:23 Speaker 5: question that a lot of people come up against at

15:26 Speaker 5: some point in their life, and what's the meaning of life?

15:28 Speaker 5: Just something simple, what is the meaning of life? And

15:31 Speaker 5: I remember there was one day I was sitting in

15:32 Speaker 5: my room asking this question internally, and all of a

15:35 Speaker 5: sudden I heard a voice in my head that was

15:37 Speaker 5: not internal dialogue, and it said, the point is to

15:40 Speaker 5: just be, to just be, to just be. It doesn't

15:43 Speaker 5: matter what you're doing here. You have a plan, but

15:47 Speaker 5: you're also you using your free will from moment to moment.

15:51 Speaker 5: And it's not so much that you need to focus

15:54 Speaker 5: on what comes after life. It's that you are here

15:57 Speaker 5: now and this is what you should be looking towards now.

16:01 Speaker 5: Even Betty Jed had a little saying said life is

16:04 Speaker 5: for a living and light is for later. So that

16:07 Speaker 5: sort of encompasses that same idea, stay in the moment

16:09 Speaker 5: because this is temporary.

16:12 Speaker 3: So very much so. And you know, it's something I've

16:14 Speaker 3: been saying a lot lately, is like I think a

16:16 Speaker 3: lot of people are, they're so concerned with the past

16:22 Speaker 3: the future.

16:24 Speaker 2: And I know this is a cliche to say, but

16:25 Speaker 2: that they never realize that the present is a gift absolutely.

16:30 Speaker 3: And I mean if you think.

16:31 Speaker 2: Of what we experience as time is, yes, our brains

16:35 Speaker 2: fundamentally put it in linearar form right birth to current

16:41 Speaker 2: day and the future. Right, So we are in our

16:45 Speaker 2: brain simplifying it to a linear format, you know. But

16:51 Speaker 2: all it is is a bunch of nows compiled upon

16:57 Speaker 2: each other to create memory experiences.

17:01 Speaker 3: So like now now, now they're all.

17:04 Speaker 2: Compiling on top of each other to create this linear

17:07 Speaker 2: like memory of experiencing our world.

17:13 Speaker 5: Well, that's how our brains are wired. We're meant to

17:15 Speaker 5: compartmentalize certain things, and this is to keep us from

17:19 Speaker 5: kind of losing it. It's sort of in the sense

17:21 Speaker 5: that you have a zero point gravity, if you will,

17:24 Speaker 5: and this is a perception that anchors you here into

17:27 Speaker 5: this reality. If you remove that, then different things happen. Now,

17:32 Speaker 5: if you want to look into nature and describe this

17:34 Speaker 5: and understand a little bit more, look at the two

17:37 Speaker 5: spirals that we're very familiar with that we can find

17:39 Speaker 5: the Fibonacci spiral and the Golden Mean spiral. The biggest

17:43 Speaker 5: difference between the two is that the golden mean is infinite.

17:46 Speaker 5: It never stops, it goes both directions Fibonacci does. So

17:51 Speaker 5: what nature did was took the golden mean spiral as

17:54 Speaker 5: an architect excuse me, as the architecture for nature, but

17:57 Speaker 5: realize there had to be beginning in an end when

17:59 Speaker 5: you talk about duality. So it created the Fibonacci spiral,

18:03 Speaker 5: which is exactly the same, but it has beginning in

18:05 Speaker 5: anet so you know, keep that in thought.

18:09 Speaker 3: Right, right, right, So what led you to the Bridgewater Triangle?

18:17 Speaker 5: It was another place that I'd always had my sights

18:19 Speaker 5: on and when just before COVID, uh, you know, I

18:26 Speaker 5: was still in radio. I've been in radio since two

18:28 Speaker 5: thousand and two and I was still doing shows in

18:30 Speaker 5: that format, and there was a person who convinced me

18:32 Speaker 5: to go on to YouTube. And at the time I

18:35 Speaker 5: didn't realize how big, you know, YouTube had got, and

18:37 Speaker 5: I kind of figured it was still something for people

18:39 Speaker 5: to just throw videos up and have fun with it.

18:41 Speaker 5: But no, there was a serious platform that had formed

18:44 Speaker 5: that you know, major media outlets had been h you know,

18:47 Speaker 5: putting their channels on and I soon realized that there

18:51 Speaker 5: were a lot of people that went to YouTube exclusively

18:54 Speaker 5: for their news and videos and so forth. Okay, so

18:56 Speaker 5: I'm gonna do that now. In doing this, you know,

18:59 Speaker 5: I get into the interview. I just took what I

19:00 Speaker 5: did with radio and I made it more visceral for YouTube,

19:03 Speaker 5: which is fine. I've kept that format all the way through.

19:06 Speaker 5: But in knowing third phase of Moon and becoming very

19:09 Speaker 5: close friends with those guys, you know and Blake and

19:13 Speaker 5: Brent Cousins. Yeah, Brent Cousins, Yeah, you know, I looked

19:17 Speaker 5: at them and some of the movies that they were

19:19 Speaker 5: putting together. I'm like, this is fantastic. But you know,

19:21 Speaker 5: there's two of you guys. Of course you can do it.

19:23 Speaker 5: And they're like, no, you can do it yourself. I'm like, no,

19:25 Speaker 5: I can't. They go, we'll show you. So Blake actually

19:27 Speaker 5: went down to a cemetery down the street when they

19:29 Speaker 5: were living in Hawaii and shot this all by himself.

19:33 Speaker 5: He took many different shots, showed me how to do this,

19:36 Speaker 5: and as soon as I saw it, I said, oh, okay, yeah,

19:39 Speaker 5: you're right, I can do this. And that's what really

19:42 Speaker 5: got me into the filmmaking. So back to Bridgewater, Triangle.

19:46 Speaker 5: I always wanted to do a documentary on that place.

19:47 Speaker 5: There are so many different areas of anomalous activity and

19:50 Speaker 5: history that goes into the Triangle. For me, it was

19:53 Speaker 5: a mecca and a playground to get into the paranormal

19:56 Speaker 5: stuff and what have you. So that's what brought me

19:59 Speaker 5: up that way. And of course no Harry Green and

20:01 Speaker 5: you know, Seneca and some of the other guys from

20:02 Speaker 5: the Bridgewater Triangle Paranormal Investigators. I eventually officially joined that team,

20:07 Speaker 5: even though more of a peripheral number, because you know,

20:09 Speaker 5: it's tough for me to get out there all the time,

20:11 Speaker 5: but I'm always in contact with those guys. I know

20:13 Speaker 5: what they're doing, they know what I'm doing. So there's

20:16 Speaker 5: a good synergistic relationship that I have with the Bridgewater

20:18 Speaker 5: Triangle Investigators.

20:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of how we linked that with that,

20:25 Speaker 2: because you know, I enlisted. The one thing I wanted

20:28 Speaker 2: to do is really to go in there and not

20:30 Speaker 2: be blind. So you know, I wanted to enlist the

20:33 Speaker 2: help of the people that know the area, know the history,

20:36 Speaker 2: know it all. You know, that place is something different.

20:42 Speaker 5: Even just walking into the Triangle from any angle, you

20:45 Speaker 5: can feel something different in the air. There's a difference.

20:48 Speaker 5: And it's the same thing with Montalk Long Island. As

20:51 Speaker 5: soon as you cross the threshold of that town and

20:53 Speaker 5: you get into it, you feel like you're in some

20:55 Speaker 5: other world. It's a different energy that pervades.

20:58 Speaker 2: Right, It's like there's a bubbler it and when you

21:01 Speaker 2: enter in it's like a different heavier feeling very much.

21:04 Speaker 3: So what would you say to.

21:05 Speaker 2: The idea of this notion of because it seems like

21:11 Speaker 2: you're really into this like energy and you know, like

21:18 Speaker 2: just that not you know, there's way more than meets

21:22 Speaker 2: the eye. Right, as I famously say and will famously

21:26 Speaker 2: be written in the notes, is you know the world is.

21:30 Speaker 2: It's just not black and white. There's so much more.

21:33 Speaker 2: I can't say anymore. There's so much more gray.

21:37 Speaker 3: Than anyone can anticipate.

21:39 Speaker 2: So when you go to one of these places and

21:41 Speaker 2: you experience that gray, I call it this moment of conversion.

21:45 Speaker 3: If you haven't had it before, you're like, oh, it's tangible, measurable.

21:52 Speaker 2: Your biological sensors are like, something's different. So would you

21:59 Speaker 2: say that there's something about like Salem, the Bridgewater, Triangle,

22:04 Speaker 2: mon Talk.

22:07 Speaker 3: These places that have had.

22:09 Speaker 2: Tremendous loss and which is almost derivative. There's something else

22:17 Speaker 2: there you kind of see. It is the greed of man,

22:21 Speaker 2: oh yeah, or the selfish acts of man, right killing

22:25 Speaker 2: innocent people to you know, do whatever.

22:29 Speaker 3: There's that greed aspect in that.

22:31 Speaker 2: Do you think that it potentially is tainting the actual

22:34 Speaker 2: land and causing some sort of cursed like echo in

22:39 Speaker 2: the actual place?

22:41 Speaker 3: Absolutely like or something along those lines.

22:44 Speaker 5: No. Absolutely, You know, I came up with a theory

22:46 Speaker 5: some time ago, and you know, Harry and I had

22:48 Speaker 5: discussed this about the Bridgewater Triangle and because of the

22:50 Speaker 5: King Philip's War, this place used to be sacred. This

22:54 Speaker 5: is a very sacred place to all the indigenous people

22:57 Speaker 5: that were around here. And when they killed a bunch

23:00 Speaker 5: of people, you know, let's just talk about the Hawkamalk

23:02 Speaker 5: Swamp for a moment. When they killed people in that area,

23:05 Speaker 5: all that just became tainted with that blood. And I

23:08 Speaker 5: think that opened something to allow a lot more negativity

23:12 Speaker 5: to permeate that location. And you know, maybe in time

23:16 Speaker 5: this will clear, maybe it won't. I don't know. We

23:18 Speaker 5: never live long enough to really see it, but we

23:20 Speaker 5: still have plenty of haunted places that have been haunted

23:22 Speaker 5: for hundreds of years. And we're not talking about residual hauntings.

23:26 Speaker 5: We're talking about something sentient. Right, So you have both

23:30 Speaker 5: over there on the triangle. You have intelligent haunts and

23:32 Speaker 5: you have residual haunts. But to be honest with you,

23:37 Speaker 5: you know, even looking at a location and thinking about

23:41 Speaker 5: whether this may be haunted, maybe there's let's say one spirit.

23:44 Speaker 5: We can talk about the Conjuring House in this context. Okay,

23:48 Speaker 5: there's more of a trickster spirit in there. It's not

23:51 Speaker 5: something malevolent the way that people have made it. But

23:53 Speaker 5: because so many people know about that location and have

23:55 Speaker 5: gone into the conjuring universe in terms of entertainment, that

23:59 Speaker 5: particular focus mentally draws all that energy there, and you

24:03 Speaker 5: actually amplify whatever's there because people have that influence in

24:07 Speaker 5: a quantum sense, if you will.

24:10 Speaker 2: So they're putting We talked about this with Peter Muse,

24:15 Speaker 2: this idea of the tulpa, right, this belief in something

24:21 Speaker 2: which it feeds kind of feeds on it and it

24:25 Speaker 2: almost either amplifies it, like you said, or creates it

24:31 Speaker 2: out of nothing.

24:32 Speaker 3: Right.

24:33 Speaker 2: So, and this trickster element, right, this non malevolent but

24:37 Speaker 2: non benevolent. It's almost indifferent, and it almost has a

24:42 Speaker 2: sense of humor. Right, interestingly enough, it tends to have

24:48 Speaker 2: these things tend to have like a little bit of

24:50 Speaker 2: a sense of humor. So it's like that doesn't happen

24:55 Speaker 2: with residual stuff. That's something that's sentient, and it's like

25:00 Speaker 2: has to be right, Like there's no if I was

25:03 Speaker 2: to picture something like an echo of like a World

25:07 Speaker 2: War II veteran that got blown up and he's just

25:09 Speaker 2: walking the battlefield, he's not gonna have a sense of humor,

25:13 Speaker 2: but a trickster element entity which may come from some

25:18 Speaker 2: sort of interdimensional playing field, rather than whatever we're experiencing

25:24 Speaker 2: with the residual stuff that's almost like tainted right the ground,

25:29 Speaker 2: and like that person's spirit, whatever's it's left over, it's

25:34 Speaker 2: just just repeating its cycle.

25:36 Speaker 3: It's just like I said, an echo or almost a

25:41 Speaker 3: glimpse into the past.

25:43 Speaker 5: I'll think of like a cassette tape. You can play

25:44 Speaker 5: it over and over again, it.

25:45 Speaker 3: Degrades and it over time it wears off.

25:48 Speaker 5: Maybe sure, I've always had that question when it comes

25:51 Speaker 5: to revisual hauntings.

25:52 Speaker 3: So like whether it degrades or not, yeah, I don't know.

25:54 Speaker 5: I mean again, we go back to energy and vibration,

25:57 Speaker 5: and the reason that a place may become tainted or

25:59 Speaker 5: there's an echo of any sort is because you know,

26:01 Speaker 5: the walls have ears, so to speak, that energy, that

26:03 Speaker 5: vibration is captured and held within the material around you.

26:08 Speaker 5: So you know, you down to the basic atomic level,

26:10 Speaker 5: everything's in vibration, and in order for it to be

26:14 Speaker 5: in vibration and still exists in the same space as

26:16 Speaker 5: other bits of material, they have to sit within a

26:19 Speaker 5: certain vibrational matrix that is continuous with the reality that

26:24 Speaker 5: they're in. So, for example, if I were to take

26:27 Speaker 5: my hand and create, say a synthetic electromagnetic field around this,

26:31 Speaker 5: and we call this X. Okay, my hand vibrates at X,

26:34 Speaker 5: so does the couch. Can't put my hand through the couch.

26:37 Speaker 5: But if I were to raise the vibration within that

26:39 Speaker 5: small system of electromagnetic field to X plus one, well,

26:43 Speaker 5: now I can put my hand through anything that has

26:46 Speaker 5: the value of X. So again, you know, keeping that

26:49 Speaker 5: in mind, you know, everything makes sound. We just can't

26:53 Speaker 5: hear it. It's subsonic frequencies, but it has well, there's

26:58 Speaker 5: resinant frequencies in their frequencies that go into the actual

27:01 Speaker 5: material that see today, like what we identify as wood

27:05 Speaker 5: or water, whatever, it has its own frequency. And again,

27:09 Speaker 5: in order for these things to exist in the same space,

27:11 Speaker 5: there has to be a musical component, a harmonic component

27:14 Speaker 5: for them to exist, Otherwise it would be something more

27:17 Speaker 5: in terms of a descent.

27:19 Speaker 3: Interesting, So that's deep, like that's a you know.

27:27 Speaker 5: We're only scratching the surface when it comes.

27:29 Speaker 3: I know, I love it. I love it. This is

27:31 Speaker 3: where we're beginning.

27:35 Speaker 5: What do you think consciousness is unquantifiable? I think in

27:44 Speaker 5: order to have a real answer to that, we need

27:46 Speaker 5: to be living in a reality where we are more

27:49 Speaker 5: aligned with both both hemispheres of our brain. Yeah, so

27:52 Speaker 5: a lot of people are living out of the left side.

27:54 Speaker 5: I mean predominantly societies are left brained. We're aware of

27:57 Speaker 5: the right brain, but we don't utilize it as much.

28:00 Speaker 5: But the right brain holds a lot more for us.

28:05 Speaker 5: That is waiting for our consciousness to reach a level

28:08 Speaker 5: where we're now more aware and being able to integrate

28:11 Speaker 5: those two loaves and then experience life that way instead

28:15 Speaker 5: of just being left brained. So, yeah, talking about consciousness,

28:19 Speaker 5: I mean, we can have light definitions of what we understand,

28:23 Speaker 5: but it's something that we're still fully trying to grasp.

28:27 Speaker 2: Do you find it weird that people try to quantify

28:30 Speaker 2: it and put it in a box and say, well,

28:33 Speaker 2: it simply just arises from the biological brain. It's just

28:38 Speaker 2: a circumstance of having a brain.

28:43 Speaker 5: Well, that's an opinion, and it's based on certain observances

28:46 Speaker 5: and scientific methods. And as we continue to expand the

28:51 Speaker 5: scientific field in general and we understand more, we have

28:54 Speaker 5: to integrate to certain things that maybe we put off

28:56 Speaker 5: to the side that didn't have connection prior to we

28:59 Speaker 5: realize do have connect So it's an ever progressing sort

29:03 Speaker 5: of field that has to have the elasticity to be

29:06 Speaker 5: able to expand that way. In some forms of academia

29:11 Speaker 5: you can do this, others you can't, And that's just

29:14 Speaker 5: the stubbornness of the human being.

29:17 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, do you believe that it's possible that

29:27 Speaker 2: people have tapped into raising the consciousness of others and

29:38 Speaker 2: potentially that our government knows that it's possible and is

29:44 Speaker 2: actively keeping us kind of suppressed to a degree where

29:50 Speaker 2: you know, they have these distractions and and I don't

29:53 Speaker 2: want to get too like conspiratorial, like, but the more

29:58 Speaker 2: I see behind the curtain, the more I realize that

30:01 Speaker 2: a lot of this shit is really theater out there.

30:05 Speaker 3: It's really theater.

30:06 Speaker 5: It's all by design.

30:07 Speaker 3: It's it's and it's.

30:09 Speaker 2: It's almost like once you see it, you stop being

30:12 Speaker 2: able to stop seeing it not see it. So then

30:15 Speaker 2: you'll be in the grocery store and you'll see all

30:18 Speaker 2: these like almost NPCs, right, these people that just there's

30:24 Speaker 2: nothing there, and they're just.

30:29 Speaker 3: Like, You're like, how do you make it to a day?

30:32 Speaker 3: How do you make it alive through it one day?

30:35 Speaker 2: Because you don't seem like like there's no personality, and

30:39 Speaker 2: you just start seeing like like, for instance, I was

30:42 Speaker 2: walking through Boston Common at one point, downtown Boston at

30:46 Speaker 2: one point, and you know when you like you're walking

30:49 Speaker 2: to Times Square, Boston Common or any populated area, and

30:53 Speaker 2: you see the mass of people walking and like there's

30:56 Speaker 2: different directions, but there's it's like chaos, but there's a

30:59 Speaker 2: little bit of order to it. It's kind of like

31:01 Speaker 2: the Matrix scene where he's instead of like bumping into

31:06 Speaker 2: people and shit, then once he learns that he's in

31:09 Speaker 2: the matrix he's able to, like without even.

31:12 Speaker 3: Knowing it, weave through them. I feel like I've I

31:16 Speaker 3: weave through people at this point because.

31:21 Speaker 2: I'm actively always on the edge of like this existential

31:25 Speaker 2: kind of discussion. And I think that is what's good

31:29 Speaker 2: for this kind of stuff is I think inherently you're

31:32 Speaker 2: raising your consciousness by even just talking about it and

31:37 Speaker 2: understanding that is something there that just because the psychologist

31:42 Speaker 2: tells you it's sleep paralysis, they can't tell you what

31:44 Speaker 2: consciousness is still, So like, I get that there have

31:47 Speaker 2: opinions and methods, and I just I don't think that

31:51 Speaker 2: we're getting the full picture.

31:53 Speaker 5: We're not. And again this is by design. I mean

31:56 Speaker 5: to answer your question from a moment ago. You know, religion.

31:59 Speaker 5: Religion keeps us from knowing who we truly are. Now

32:02 Speaker 5: that's not to say that, you know, it doesn't help

32:04 Speaker 5: some people. It does give them structure, and I support that,

32:07 Speaker 5: But by and large, there's a ceiling and you're going

32:10 Speaker 5: to hit that ceiling and that's it. But you know,

32:12 Speaker 5: governments know about that and have utilized religion for as

32:16 Speaker 5: a form of control for many years. And it doesn't

32:18 Speaker 5: matter what religion, they're all similar in that affect. It's unfortunate.

32:23 Speaker 5: But you know, once you sort of break out of

32:25 Speaker 5: that mold or again, you know, for a lot of people,

32:28 Speaker 5: the perception that they were given as you know, a youngster.

32:32 Speaker 5: Once you start really looking at things for yourself and

32:35 Speaker 5: bringing it through your own filter, which is generally you know,

32:38 Speaker 5: fueled by experiences and research and your own intellect, then

32:44 Speaker 5: you're you're going to start seeing that wider picture. Now

32:47 Speaker 5: that doesn't necessarily mean you're going to understand it, but

32:49 Speaker 5: you're going to be aware that there is a broader,

32:52 Speaker 5: you know picture to look at very much so.

32:57 Speaker 3: But okay, so where are you on? Like do you

33:03 Speaker 3: keep up with like the stuff that's.

33:05 Speaker 2: Happening with the UFO files and you know, the tranches

33:10 Speaker 2: of because I know obviously the Cousin brothers are really

33:13 Speaker 2: into that, you know, doctor doctor Greer fact kind of

33:17 Speaker 2: like group.

33:20 Speaker 3: Are you do you keep up with that stuff?

33:22 Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, I mean I couldn't ignore it if I tried.

33:25 Speaker 5: It's just too prominent in my circle of friends and

33:28 Speaker 5: you know, people I work with, you know, Blake and

33:31 Speaker 5: Brent have released so many documentaries on this subject.

33:35 Speaker 3: And yes, I saw them at the second hearing.

33:37 Speaker 2: See that placard right there on the side, the Tyler

33:41 Speaker 2: Roberts slash that's from the second hearing that was on

33:45 Speaker 2: My chair was at a reserve seat and I saw

33:48 Speaker 2: them there.

33:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were filming.

33:51 Speaker 2: For what would have become what would become It was

33:55 Speaker 2: that documentary they did what doctor Greer recently, the most

33:58 Speaker 2: recent one they did with them, Yes, and it was

34:00 Speaker 2: like about the hearing and like all that new stuff.

34:03 Speaker 2: So yeah, those guys are like actively it. So you know,

34:06 Speaker 2: like the grushes are What do you make of these

34:10 Speaker 2: quote unquote UFO whistleblowers?

34:13 Speaker 3: What do you make of what they're saying?

34:16 Speaker 5: I think, you know, in what they're able to say.

34:19 Speaker 5: You know, the public is finally getting a different narrative

34:23 Speaker 5: than we've been given for years and years and decades,

34:26 Speaker 5: I mean of misinformation, disinformation, outright lies. And you know

34:32 Speaker 5: this this isn't something new. There've always been whistleblowers that

34:36 Speaker 5: talk to whatever extent that they can. Some of them survive,

34:39 Speaker 5: a lot of them don't. And that's indicative of the era.

34:42 Speaker 5: Now we're moving into a paradigm shift. Well we've already

34:45 Speaker 5: kind of gone that way, but we're now in a

34:47 Speaker 5: steady paradigm shift where it's always been my opinion that

34:50 Speaker 5: you can keep a secret for so long and eventually

34:53 Speaker 5: it has to come out because things change and circumstances

34:56 Speaker 5: surrounding that secret shift. So I think that's what we're

34:59 Speaker 5: seeing here. And a lot of people want to sit

35:01 Speaker 5: down and say, Okay, we need a leader to tell

35:03 Speaker 5: us you know about extraterrestrials or what have you. High

35:07 Speaker 5: technology disclosure. We need disclosure from a leader. No, we

35:10 Speaker 5: don't know, we don't, and we're not going to get it.

35:12 Speaker 5: What we're going to get is individuals coming to that

35:16 Speaker 5: understanding of what disclosure is, being convicted in that, whether

35:19 Speaker 5: it be anecdotal or not, and then a consensus around

35:23 Speaker 5: that idea of reality. And that is the manifestation of

35:26 Speaker 5: what disclosure really is.

35:28 Speaker 2: It's an individual and that's what I mean. So like

35:33 Speaker 2: when I had my UFOs hiding, I.

35:40 Speaker 3: Remember it comes over.

35:43 Speaker 2: So like in reference to me, It comes south to

35:48 Speaker 2: north right, and it comes over my head like from

35:53 Speaker 2: behind me, and it's oscillating, and I catch a glint

35:56 Speaker 2: of it, and that's and then I'm locked onto it.

35:59 Speaker 2: At twelve years old, and this thing's oscillating at treetop

36:02 Speaker 2: level broad daylight. At that moment, I can kind of

36:08 Speaker 2: like what I said with puberty, there was a pre

36:11 Speaker 2: and a post because pre I didn't have reference for

36:18 Speaker 2: what that was, and post I couldn't stop trying to.

36:23 Speaker 3: Find out what that was.

36:26 Speaker 2: And I here we are, so almost twenty something years later,

36:31 Speaker 2: and I'm talking to you about these things, and I've

36:34 Speaker 2: built this whole thing because of a sighting and then

36:39 Speaker 2: one more experience in the room with my mother as

36:42 Speaker 2: she passed away, which we've probably talked about before, but

36:47 Speaker 2: I won't rehash it because everyone's heard it on this

36:50 Speaker 2: show a billion times. So but those two moments, I

36:54 Speaker 2: call those my moments of conversion. And when it's when

36:58 Speaker 2: I went from not knowing because I can tell you

37:01 Speaker 2: it's one one plus one equals two, or I can

37:04 Speaker 2: tell you it's raining outside, but until you walk up

37:07 Speaker 2: to the window and open it up and see with

37:11 Speaker 2: your own eyes.

37:12 Speaker 3: That it's raining, you're taking my word right.

37:17 Speaker 2: But until you directly apprehend for yourself, because I can

37:21 Speaker 2: give you the clues, I can give you the equation,

37:24 Speaker 2: but until you understand fundamentally that one plus one equals

37:30 Speaker 2: to for yourself and you understand that that how it

37:33 Speaker 2: gets there. Or when you see the rain after I

37:36 Speaker 2: told you it was raining, you're directly apprehending it.

37:38 Speaker 3: It's no longer a belief, it is a knowing. That's right, right,

37:44 Speaker 3: So those.

37:45 Speaker 2: Two experiences for me were my direct apprehension that the

37:50 Speaker 2: world was not black and white.

37:52 Speaker 5: And there's nobody on this planet that can tell you

37:55 Speaker 5: that it was. That didn't happen for you. Yeah, okay.

38:00 Speaker 5: Majority of people who witness the UFO are taken. They

38:03 Speaker 5: just don't know it. And I've talked to a lot

38:05 Speaker 5: of different people about this and it all comes back

38:07 Speaker 5: to the same point. You may not remember it, and

38:09 Speaker 5: in many cases they come back and take you more.

38:12 Speaker 5: But we are working with these different energising the different

38:17 Speaker 5: species of extraterrestrial and I'm gonna say it that way

38:19 Speaker 5: because a lot of them are more terrestrial than they're extraterrestrial,

38:22 Speaker 5: but they just appear to be something off planet. And again,

38:27 Speaker 5: you know, we have this amnesia, and that's that's on purpose,

38:30 Speaker 5: because they need us to still be in the moment

38:32 Speaker 5: and do what we're doing here. There's a universal law

38:35 Speaker 5: that you can't really, you know, take that away from

38:37 Speaker 5: a living being. I mean, there are circumstances where force

38:41 Speaker 5: has been used, and we can talk about you know,

38:43 Speaker 5: some of those more warring or belligerent species that you

38:47 Speaker 5: know have tried to take over, and you know, there's

38:49 Speaker 5: a lot of different stories to go into that and

38:51 Speaker 5: how some of them are actually guiding our governments and

38:54 Speaker 5: the Luciferian movements within our governments and shadow governments. You know,

39:01 Speaker 5: I've had an extraterrestrial appear right in front of me

39:04 Speaker 5: and there's nobody in the world that can tell me

39:06 Speaker 5: that never happened.

39:08 Speaker 3: Oh, I gotta know.

39:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, this goes into the doctor Jonathan Reid case. And

39:13 Speaker 5: I don't know if you're terribly familiar with what happened

39:15 Speaker 5: with him, but you know, long story short, I won't

39:18 Speaker 5: get into the whole thing because we well, there is

39:21 Speaker 5: a movie that just came out called Contact in the Woods,

39:24 Speaker 5: and I cannot say too much about how that was

39:28 Speaker 5: put together, but I am in the film, so take

39:31 Speaker 5: that for what it is. But his case is very

39:34 Speaker 5: precarious because at some point with his actions, you know,

39:38 Speaker 5: he put a mark on himself without realizing it. Nineteen

39:44 Speaker 5: ninety six, he was out in the woods of Oregon,

39:47 Speaker 5: with his dog, and it's a walk that they normally

39:50 Speaker 5: would take. He was a doctor of psychology, I believe

39:53 Speaker 5: it was, and this is what he would do when

39:55 Speaker 5: he got out of work. You take the dog out

39:56 Speaker 5: of the woods to have a little hike go home. Well,

39:58 Speaker 5: at one point the dog ran over a ridge and

40:01 Speaker 5: all of a sudden, Jonathan heard the dog screaming in pain.

40:05 Speaker 5: So he immediately runs up and sees this little three

40:08 Speaker 5: foot being taken the dog by the neck, whipping it

40:10 Speaker 5: around like a wet towel, wherein it literally decapitated, excuse me, decapitated.

40:15 Speaker 5: The dog threw the carcass on the ground. As hit

40:19 Speaker 5: the ground, it turned into white ash, so there was

40:22 Speaker 5: no cadaver to speak of there this pile of white ash. Instinctively,

40:27 Speaker 5: in that moment a panic, Jonathan picks up a stick,

40:29 Speaker 5: runs up to this creature, whatever it is, and smacks

40:31 Speaker 5: it on the back of the head with all the

40:33 Speaker 5: force he possibly can, putting about a softball sized contusion

40:36 Speaker 5: into this being's head. Now, when it falls on the floor,

40:39 Speaker 5: he assumes that it's dead. It's bleeding. You can see

40:43 Speaker 5: brain matter coming out of it. He had a camera

40:44 Speaker 5: with him where he filmed all of this as it

40:47 Speaker 5: had happened, not the moment he hit the being, but

40:49 Speaker 5: as soon as this happen the camera and it's really

40:53 Speaker 5: difficult to watch his footage because he immediately gets sick

40:56 Speaker 5: when he strikes this entity. So he strikes it.

40:59 Speaker 3: And it strength whoa, whoa, whoa, there's there's footage. Yes,

41:06 Speaker 3: you've seen it.

41:07 Speaker 5: Yes, not bullshit, not bullshit, and we've used it in

41:11 Speaker 5: the movie.

41:12 Speaker 3: He took this how is it not headline?

41:15 Speaker 5: Uh well, we'll get to that, okay, all right.

41:18 Speaker 3: Sorry.

41:20 Speaker 5: He took this being home with him because he didn't

41:22 Speaker 5: know what else to do, and he didn't know what story.

41:24 Speaker 3: He puts it in the fridge.

41:26 Speaker 5: Yes, so art Bell covered this ideally in the hunting freezer.

41:30 Speaker 3: I do know it.

41:30 Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know, long story short.

41:33 Speaker 1: Uh.

41:33 Speaker 5: Many people had seen this. They came over, they witnessed this.

41:36 Speaker 5: He did autopsies. He filmed all of this, and when

41:39 Speaker 5: you watch the film, you can see that the eyes

41:41 Speaker 5: are still moving, there's eyeshine sometimes that the facial muscles

41:44 Speaker 5: will twitch. This a little bit. It was playing possum

41:46 Speaker 5: for one reason or another, and when he put it

41:49 Speaker 5: in that hunting freezer, it actually rejuvenated the being and

41:52 Speaker 5: that's why it was able to yep, but it went

41:56 Speaker 5: back into its dimension or whatever it was from. Yeah, whatever,

41:59 Speaker 5: continue news to visit Jonathan and those who work with

42:03 Speaker 5: him to this day. I've been on the phone with

42:06 Speaker 5: him where this being shows up. I have heard the

42:10 Speaker 5: voice of this being and he's colloquially named Freddie, so

42:15 Speaker 5: they call him Freddie. Yeah, it's interesting, And I'll show

42:21 Speaker 5: you some pictures you know, when we're through the interview

42:24 Speaker 5: that you know Jonathan has sent to me, and you know,

42:26 Speaker 5: some of the videos whatever. But you know, if you

42:28 Speaker 5: see the movie Contact in the Woods, all of this

42:30 Speaker 5: is covered and you know, we go down the line.

42:32 Speaker 3: But is it out right now?

42:33 Speaker 5: Yes? It is.

42:34 Speaker 3: I'm going to watch it.

42:35 Speaker 5: Yeah, you can get on YouTube movies. You can go there

42:37 Speaker 5: and get it for free. Get the description below for

42:41 Speaker 5: this video to be the Apple TV. It's on all

42:44 Speaker 5: the major platforms. But he's been hunted and nearly destroyed

42:51 Speaker 5: by whatever faction of government is after him. He's been

42:55 Speaker 5: shot three times.

42:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, so is Freddie? Now? Like what's the relationship.

43:01 Speaker 2: It's like, dude, you fucking killed my dog and you

43:05 Speaker 2: meduced him into like smoke like rubble. By the way,

43:12 Speaker 2: doesn't that sound weird? It was an accident, but but

43:16 Speaker 2: I'm saying, doesn't that sound kind of familiar to what

43:19 Speaker 2: our ancestors said when they looked into the eyes of

43:24 Speaker 2: this being, like call it Medusa or call it whatever

43:29 Speaker 2: other one. I forget the other one that when you

43:31 Speaker 2: looked into its eyes you turned to stone.

43:34 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Medusa, Medusa? Right, I have the most well

43:37 Speaker 5: known one.

43:37 Speaker 2: Yes, or when the other one turns them to salt.

43:44 Speaker 2: That's kind of like what happened, right, That's a way

43:48 Speaker 2: to look at it. There's like there's a connection there

43:51 Speaker 2: that I can't help but notice it's like, again, is

43:55 Speaker 2: our our were our ancient ancestors dealing with these same

43:59 Speaker 2: things and just putting a different label on it.

44:03 Speaker 5: Answer, in my opinion is yes, Yeah. I think that

44:05 Speaker 5: we've been working with this for a long time and

44:07 Speaker 5: perhaps our entire existence.

44:09 Speaker 2: So I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off

44:10 Speaker 2: and take a t rep. So so that was an

44:13 Speaker 2: accidents relationship.

44:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, So it just so happened that Freddy was in

44:20 Speaker 5: the woods doing something and as far as we can ascertain,

44:23 Speaker 5: he might have been like a geological surveyist. He was

44:26 Speaker 5: doing something scientifically based that we don't understand, but that's

44:31 Speaker 5: what he was doing. And the dog came up. And

44:33 Speaker 5: it wasn't actually Freddy that killed the dog. It was

44:35 Speaker 5: his suit. It had a defensive measure. It's half biological,

44:40 Speaker 5: half mechanical, and that's what actually grabbed the dog. So Freddie,

44:46 Speaker 5: I mean, the question has been asked, you know, was

44:48 Speaker 5: there I'm sorry or you know, I wish it didn't happen,

44:50 Speaker 5: And he doesn't understand it the way that we understand it.

44:54 Speaker 5: So it just it happened.

44:55 Speaker 2: He just doesn't He doesn't understand the connection to like

44:59 Speaker 2: why he asked to apologize or like he might not

45:02 Speaker 2: even understand apologies in that way, Like we can't assume

45:05 Speaker 2: that they that that like if we put our hand

45:08 Speaker 2: out they would shake it. That might be super disrespectful something,

45:13 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like we have to think

45:14 Speaker 2: about these.

45:15 Speaker 3: Things right to understand it.

45:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and so he probably if this again, I

45:22 Speaker 2: have to say this, If this is true, he it

45:26 Speaker 2: would make sense that as being would not really like

45:29 Speaker 2: understand the ramification of what happened, Like wouldn't understand that

45:36 Speaker 2: that that is deeply disrespectful to us, the same way

45:40 Speaker 2: we wouldn't know if sticking our hand out would be

45:43 Speaker 2: disrespectful to them as a sign like some sign on

45:47 Speaker 2: there where they come from, that that that's terribly disrespectful

45:50 Speaker 2: to do, right or something like that just caveat.

45:54 Speaker 3: But so the being now just shows up and is

46:00 Speaker 3: helping him now.

46:02 Speaker 5: So a relationship was formed early on when you know,

46:06 Speaker 5: this being sprung from the hunting freezer, obviously Jonathan had

46:10 Speaker 5: to do something with that, right, So they tried to

46:13 Speaker 5: communicate with each other audibly at first, and they just

46:16 Speaker 5: weren't connecting. I mean, Freddie was making a series from

46:19 Speaker 5: what I understand of clicks pops, you know, sibilants if

46:23 Speaker 5: you will, but it just wasn't coming across. And then

46:26 Speaker 5: Freddy attempted to communicate with Jonathan telepathically by sending you know,

46:29 Speaker 5: certain images into his mind's eye, and they eventually found

46:34 Speaker 5: a balance in that. And yes it's still rudimentary and

46:36 Speaker 5: the way that they can communicate, but they can understand

46:39 Speaker 5: each other. There have been reporters that have stayed with

46:42 Speaker 5: Jonathan covering the story for months, sometimes years, and they

46:46 Speaker 5: see this being too, So it's not just Jonathan Tek. Yeah. Unfortunately,

46:54 Speaker 5: to really pursue, you know, anything that Jonathan has, Jonathan

46:57 Speaker 5: would have to come to you because he is surrounded

46:59 Speaker 5: by a team of X Navy seals to him.

47:03 Speaker 2: They're red, they're protecting the asset.

47:07 Speaker 3: Well, they want to know what's going on.

47:09 Speaker 5: Well, the reason we believe whatever faction of government is

47:13 Speaker 5: after him is because of a specific artifact that he

47:16 Speaker 5: found during that experience. And we call it the link

47:19 Speaker 5: an artifact and artifact. It's an actual cuff link that

47:23 Speaker 5: goes on your wrist and when he found it, he

47:26 Speaker 5: just scooped it up brought it with him because it

47:28 Speaker 5: was on Freddy at one point, but at some point

47:31 Speaker 5: he decided to put it on now again. I can

47:34 Speaker 5: show you pictures of this, and he actually demonstrated what

47:37 Speaker 5: I'm going to tell you in front of a live

47:39 Speaker 5: studio audience in Canada with Haimi Mosan. So what happens

47:44 Speaker 5: you understand the I don't get me to start on

47:47 Speaker 5: Jimi Mossan. Okay, I mentioned the name because he is

47:49 Speaker 5: part of the original story.

47:51 Speaker 2: He is and he also is like one of the

47:53 Speaker 2: biggest in South America for this stuff. The show is

47:57 Speaker 2: arguably like the coast to coast.

48:00 Speaker 3: That, you know what I mean. So he's got the

48:03 Speaker 3: big platform, that's where people are going to go.

48:05 Speaker 5: I mean, I was on you know, the news down

48:07 Speaker 5: in Mexico along with Third Phase couple other people at

48:10 Speaker 5: one point, and we aired to fifty five million homes

48:12 Speaker 5: in Mexico.

48:14 Speaker 3: So that didn't look at this stuff differently. Yes, they

48:17 Speaker 3: do culturally differently.

48:18 Speaker 5: Well, they they exalt with him rather than you know,

48:21 Speaker 5: going against the grain. But then again, Mexico has had

48:24 Speaker 5: its share of understandings far beyond what the American public

48:28 Speaker 5: has been given note of absolutely, and there are other

48:30 Speaker 5: countries like that too.

48:32 Speaker 3: So okay, so Hi Moussan is involved. So they go

48:38 Speaker 3: on the show.

48:39 Speaker 5: They go on the show. Jonathan puts the link on,

48:42 Speaker 5: and what happens is if you look on the underside

48:45 Speaker 5: of the link, there are these little holes and these

48:47 Speaker 5: pins actually come out and connect directly to your nervous system.

48:51 Speaker 5: And this is not a pleasurable experience because it starts

48:53 Speaker 5: here and then there's a burning that goes all the

48:55 Speaker 5: way up into the chest. And you can see the

48:58 Speaker 5: agony that Jonathan is in when he's undergoing this transformation.

49:02 Speaker 5: Immediately he turns into a ball of white light and disappears.

49:08 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, And now he reappears as that ball of

49:11 Speaker 5: white light and becomes the physical form again. Question is

49:14 Speaker 5: where does he go? He goes to the dimension or

49:17 Speaker 5: reality that Freddie civilization is in, and he has described

49:23 Speaker 5: this reality to me vividly. He's had many experiences going

49:27 Speaker 5: into this reality. Sometimes it's the same place. Sometimes it's

49:30 Speaker 5: in between where you can look out, let's say a window,

49:34 Speaker 5: and you can see souls floating around a field waiting

49:36 Speaker 5: to be incarnated, sharing experiences, talking about what they want

49:40 Speaker 5: to do, waiting for their turn to be.

49:42 Speaker 3: This limbo that's talked about.

49:44 Speaker 5: This is this is a place that he has been

49:46 Speaker 5: with this cuff link. So it's our opinion that these

49:49 Speaker 5: people that are after him they want that cuff Okay,

49:52 Speaker 5: now Jonathan doesn't have it in his possession. He's put

49:55 Speaker 5: nine people between him and the cuff link because nobody

49:58 Speaker 5: can use that and he will never or bring it out.

50:00 Speaker 5: He'll never show it.

50:01 Speaker 3: Why not just raid the place?

50:03 Speaker 5: And well, you know, he doesn't even know where it

50:06 Speaker 5: is physically, so he's hidden it with other people so

50:10 Speaker 5: that it cannot be accessible unless there's an absolute emergency

50:14 Speaker 5: that's called to use that.

50:15 Speaker 3: Does he have protocols in place that if they come.

50:20 Speaker 5: Yep, good, yep, yeah, all that's taken care of.

50:25 Speaker 3: And you can show me pictures of this thing.

50:27 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I can play this video of himI Mussan

50:31 Speaker 2: if I wanted to right now.

50:33 Speaker 5: You can find it on YouTube if.

50:36 Speaker 2: I if we can find it, I'm a pretty good

50:38 Speaker 2: sleuth about that, so you can absolutely find I'll give

50:40 Speaker 2: you more details after the fact as to you know,

50:43 Speaker 2: what you can look up to to find that video,

50:45 Speaker 2: but absolutely, and it's in the movie too, Okay, yeah,

50:48 Speaker 2: maybe in the members only section too. We can talk

50:51 Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, a little bit more.

50:54 Speaker 5: But it means to the point where that look, I've

51:01 Speaker 5: been approached by his team independently of Jonathan.

51:05 Speaker 3: Yeah you said that being appeared in front of you.

51:09 Speaker 3: When did this happen?

51:11 Speaker 5: So in getting to know Jonathan, I was put together

51:15 Speaker 5: with him through doctor J. RadioLIVE, who was Art Bell's

51:18 Speaker 5: producer from Midnight in the Desert, very good friend of mine,

51:20 Speaker 5: and Jonathan agreed to do this show with me because

51:24 Speaker 5: he had a deep relationship with Art Bell and he

51:27 Speaker 5: trusts Art Camp and those who are left. So that

51:31 Speaker 5: was kind of my in. We did our first show.

51:34 Speaker 5: It was phenomenal, and when we got back into the

51:36 Speaker 5: green room at the end of the session, you know,

51:39 Speaker 5: Jonathan said, hey, Michael, it's a couple of things I

51:41 Speaker 5: need to tell you before we go forward with anything.

51:43 Speaker 5: I said, sure, what's that? He says, Well, the first

51:45 Speaker 5: is that you might be harmed. You might be hurt

51:48 Speaker 5: being in you know, connection with me. Some of these

51:51 Speaker 5: people may come after you too.

51:52 Speaker 3: Oh right.

51:53 Speaker 5: I said, okay, well, that's not something I'm unfamiliar with.

51:55 Speaker 5: I've got in my hand and a lot of things.

51:57 Speaker 5: I know that my phone's been tapped many times. We

52:00 Speaker 5: know these things do it comes with the territory. And

52:04 Speaker 5: he said. The second thing is that this being Freddy

52:06 Speaker 5: might appear to you. I said why. He goes, well,

52:10 Speaker 5: sometimes when you get close enough to me, they want

52:12 Speaker 5: to know who you are. I said, oh yeah, okay, sure,

52:14 Speaker 5: I take it with a grain of salt. Two weeks later,

52:18 Speaker 5: I'm in my bedroom over in Wister, Okay, playing an

52:22 Speaker 5: Oculus to mini golf with rich Jordanald from Goofon. We

52:27 Speaker 5: finished out the game, I put my headset down, I

52:30 Speaker 5: turn around and in my armchair is Freddy to his left.

52:34 Speaker 5: Which really surprised me, were these three ribbon light beings.

52:39 Speaker 5: I don't know what to describe. I've never seen anything

52:41 Speaker 5: like this in my life. Literally, they looked like ribbon,

52:45 Speaker 5: about this thick but very long, and they were made

52:47 Speaker 5: of light, and they were floating about three feet off

52:49 Speaker 5: the ground. As I looked at them, I looked at Freddy.

52:52 Speaker 5: I looked at them, and instantly I tried to connect

52:56 Speaker 5: instinctively in some way, shape or form, and I realized

52:59 Speaker 5: it was like if you were to talk to the

53:01 Speaker 5: consciousness of plants. So while there's a consciousness that's there,

53:04 Speaker 5: it's not something you could connect with in that sense.

53:07 Speaker 5: I look back at Freddie and I heard in my

53:09 Speaker 5: head again, not internal dialogue. We've had a fantastic conversation.

53:13 Speaker 5: Now it's done. They all disappear right in front of me.

53:17 Speaker 5: I've been in the paranormal world for decades and I've

53:20 Speaker 5: seen some shit bro okay, but nothing like this. I

53:24 Speaker 5: was so jostled. I stood there for ten minutes, my

53:26 Speaker 5: jaw open. I couldn't even talk to myself. I didn't

53:28 Speaker 5: know what to make of this, And when I kind

53:31 Speaker 5: of gathered myself. I said, all right, well, the first

53:34 Speaker 5: thing I'm going to do is make sure that this

53:35 Speaker 5: isn't like some sort of influence that you know, Jonathan

53:38 Speaker 5: said he might come visit me. I wasn't thinking about it.

53:40 Speaker 5: But you know, at the same time, I'm like, well, maybe.

53:42 Speaker 2: That is consciousness, nerve your left brain is now working

53:47 Speaker 2: all that time.

53:48 Speaker 5: Absolutely, but I needed to do that. I had to

53:50 Speaker 5: stay critical in that moment because of what I possibly

53:54 Speaker 5: just really experienced. So, you know, another ten minutes go by,

53:57 Speaker 5: and finally I'm like, okay, I got a call. So

54:00 Speaker 5: I ended up talking to rich first, and then I

54:03 Speaker 5: talked to Blake and Brent and that's I eventually talked

54:07 Speaker 5: to doctor j about it. But those are like the

54:09 Speaker 5: three people or four people I really spoke to about

54:12 Speaker 5: this experience. I was in that mindset that I didn't

54:16 Speaker 5: you know, a lot of people get to them. I

54:17 Speaker 5: don't want people to think I'm crazy. What the hell

54:19 Speaker 5: did I just see? And so you know, we were

54:21 Speaker 5: slated to do another interview about a week later, and

54:25 Speaker 5: I said, Jonathan, before we get into the studio, I

54:27 Speaker 5: got to talk about something, and he goes, okay. So

54:30 Speaker 5: we get in and he goes, yeah, would you wanna

54:32 Speaker 5: would you want to mention? I said, well, this is

54:34 Speaker 5: what happened to me. I said, does that have anything

54:35 Speaker 5: to do with you? Immediately just starts laughing like we

54:38 Speaker 5: laughing at He goes, I knew he was gonna come

54:40 Speaker 5: and see you. I just don't want to tell you

54:41 Speaker 5: because I didn't want you to expect it. I said, okay,

54:44 Speaker 5: so this happened. He goes, that happened, said, no, shit.

54:47 Speaker 5: And I've seen him twice in dream and one other

54:51 Speaker 5: time he was in my house that I live in now,

54:55 Speaker 5: and it wasn't I knew he was there. I could

54:58 Speaker 5: feel his presence. I just couldn't see him. But with Freddie,

55:02 Speaker 5: I feel like there's now a connection I have with

55:05 Speaker 5: him that cannot be severed. It's it's forever and almost

55:08 Speaker 5: in the sense. The only way I can explain this

55:10 Speaker 5: is you know you have a loved one who had

55:11 Speaker 5: passed away and you know they're around you, or you

55:13 Speaker 5: have a guardian angel that you can speak to. They're

55:15 Speaker 5: like way back in the distance, but they're here. That's

55:17 Speaker 5: where Freddy sits. So anytime I'm talking about him, they're

55:20 Speaker 5: aware of it. They know it.

55:23 Speaker 3: Freddy, Freddy see me. We'll have a nice chat.

55:30 Speaker 5: You know a lot of people have asked me, well,

55:32 Speaker 5: how can I see him? Can you send him to me?

55:34 Speaker 5: It's not my decision, never was, it's theirs. You have

55:37 Speaker 5: to be open to it at least at least, but

55:40 Speaker 5: then they have to select you.

55:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, so good point.

55:44 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I feel very honored Freddy, if I

55:47 Speaker 5: march gift.

55:48 Speaker 3: Worthy, if I'm like, you know, if I can lift

55:51 Speaker 3: the door's hammer.

55:52 Speaker 5: I think they're looking for a certain genuine affect and

55:58 Speaker 5: a person when it comes to talking about this, because

56:01 Speaker 5: Freddy is, like I said, not actraterrestrial. He's actually us

56:04 Speaker 5: from a timeline in the future.

56:06 Speaker 2: Oh okay, so good, thank you. I was gonna say, so,

56:10 Speaker 2: talk to me about where Freddy's.

56:12 Speaker 3: From and what are the details. What does he look

56:19 Speaker 3: Let's start by what does he look like? Well, does

56:22 Speaker 3: he look like that like the archetypal alien.

56:26 Speaker 5: He doesn't look like your typical gray. He looks like

56:28 Speaker 5: more of a cross of something else. But he's still

56:31 Speaker 5: more likely in the species that we would call the gray.

56:35 Speaker 5: But he is biological and yet he has a cyborg

56:38 Speaker 5: component as well, right, created for a purpose. It's not

56:42 Speaker 5: like they just birth, you know, at random, and like

56:45 Speaker 5: we do and you know, you have your life and

56:47 Speaker 5: you live, ut you're actually bred for a specific reason

56:49 Speaker 5: and you're produced in a laboratory type setting the way

56:51 Speaker 5: we would see it.

56:53 Speaker 2: So they're essentially creating since almost like so it's probably

56:58 Speaker 2: this advanced by a lot where we're heading right, like

57:05 Speaker 2: with things like chrisper gene editing, but kind of programming

57:11 Speaker 2: that along with AI and you know, the merging of

57:15 Speaker 2: technology and biology is they're probably like light years ahead

57:19 Speaker 2: in that regard.

57:20 Speaker 3: So they're able to create.

57:21 Speaker 2: These bodies that are able to have souls anchor to them,

57:28 Speaker 2: right because I would assume you have to have some

57:30 Speaker 2: sort of biological component for the soul to want it

57:32 Speaker 2: even or to be able to even enter.

57:34 Speaker 5: I would imagine the way that you would, But I

57:36 Speaker 5: don't know. Because these species that are so highly advanced,

57:40 Speaker 5: death is not something that they experience. They choose when

57:43 Speaker 5: they're born, they choose when they go.

57:45 Speaker 3: Really that's it.

57:46 Speaker 5: They superseded death a long time ago, so the natural

57:49 Speaker 5: cycle of life is not something they adhere to. And

57:52 Speaker 5: they exist more within the higher vibrations than the one

57:56 Speaker 5: that we sit in right now third dimensionally, even though

57:59 Speaker 5: there is an apt guitar of a component that does

58:01 Speaker 5: exist in this third dimension, they more or less sit

58:03 Speaker 5: on a higher vibration. So Freddy, according to him, is

58:07 Speaker 5: from one of the deeper recesses of our oceans, and

58:11 Speaker 5: a lot of these species do live in these cavernous

58:13 Speaker 5: underground underwater you know, areas and the places that we

58:19 Speaker 5: simply could never reach with anything that we have, at

58:22 Speaker 5: least for now.

58:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about this last episode that we know

58:26 Speaker 2: more about the surface of the Moon than we do

58:30 Speaker 2: our deepest ocean yep, and we like the Marianas Trench

58:33 Speaker 2: and stuff like.

58:34 Speaker 3: You want to tell me.

58:35 Speaker 2: That you that that you are confident that nothing's down there.

58:42 Speaker 3: That we don't know about. You're you're confident in telling.

58:45 Speaker 5: Me that this as confident as me telling you there's

58:47 Speaker 5: nothing out in space in terms of life, right, it's

58:49 Speaker 5: you know, yeah, I.

58:50 Speaker 2: Mean you've never the pressure is far too far too

58:56 Speaker 2: like we can't even fathom it. It's like this, but

59:00 Speaker 2: this titan, the capsule that went down there, and you

59:04 Speaker 2: know what idiot decides to build something in fiber like

59:10 Speaker 2: fire like Yeah, let me just build my the only

59:13 Speaker 2: thing separating me between you know, tons of tons and

59:19 Speaker 2: tons of pressure and the sea, and I'll just go

59:24 Speaker 2: down in this made of fiber fiber is not it's valuable,

59:30 Speaker 2: like inherently it's fibers, right, and like.

59:35 Speaker 3: What's that? What's the fiber stuff?

59:37 Speaker 4: That?

59:38 Speaker 3: Uh?

59:40 Speaker 2: Glass, fiber fiberglass. He made his thing out of fiberglass

59:44 Speaker 2: because it was cheaper. It's like, you shouldn't be cutting

59:47 Speaker 2: costs on that. That's the only thing that's keeping you alive.

59:52 Speaker 2: And that's why that You could just have ever heard

59:54 Speaker 2: the audio from it. You just hear things popping pop pop,

59:57 Speaker 2: that's the fibers boom boom. So they just had to

1:00:01 Speaker 2: listen while the world ended around them.

1:00:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's haunting.

1:00:06 Speaker 5: It was an absolute tragedy. But yeah, once again, you know,

1:00:09 Speaker 5: there are many things that could have been done differently

1:00:11 Speaker 5: to avert that and the greed of man. Yeah yeah, well,

1:00:14 Speaker 5: going back to that idea, I think that you're absolutely

1:00:17 Speaker 5: right about that, the greed of man.

1:00:19 Speaker 2: He was cutting costs so he could get billionaires down

1:00:23 Speaker 2: there quicker and fucked with the safety of it.

1:00:26 Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, cut corners. This is an episode about that Sorry.

1:00:31 Speaker 2: It just pisses me off that he did that because

1:00:33 Speaker 2: he killed people, killed a kid.

1:00:35 Speaker 3: Yep. But where were.

1:00:40 Speaker 5: We Well, I think I wanted to mention about you know,

1:00:43 Speaker 5: Freddy living.

1:00:44 Speaker 3: Oh right, Freddy.

1:00:46 Speaker 5: When Jonathan brought Freddie home, he took bone graphs, skin graphs,

1:00:51 Speaker 5: and blood samples and he had those shipped off to university. Okay,

1:00:55 Speaker 5: there's a story around that, but I'll save that for

1:00:57 Speaker 5: another time. Long story short, they did come back those

1:01:01 Speaker 5: analytics and it turns out that out of the forty

1:01:03 Speaker 5: eight chromosomes that you know, biological beings have, especially you know,

1:01:08 Speaker 5: human beings, forty were a match for us. We shared

1:01:13 Speaker 5: forty of the same chromosomes. The other eight were split

1:01:16 Speaker 5: between dolphin and sea turtle. Again, think about where he's

1:01:20 Speaker 5: saying he lives, and if they're pulling stuff out of

1:01:23 Speaker 5: the environment, no guy to create this biological life. This

1:01:28 Speaker 5: makes sense.

1:01:29 Speaker 3: Dolphins are hyper intelligent. Sea turtles last longevity. You have

1:01:39 Speaker 3: longevity and intellect.

1:01:42 Speaker 5: Not to mention that dolphins are very connected to source.

1:01:45 Speaker 5: At least that's the way.

1:01:46 Speaker 3: It goes Jesus Christ.

1:01:49 Speaker 5: So there are a lot of details about this case

1:01:51 Speaker 5: that simply cannot so he's a few.

1:01:53 Speaker 3: So you know that kind of like aligns with the

1:01:59 Speaker 3: cycle of life if you will, right, because out of

1:02:02 Speaker 3: the oceans we emerged, right if you want to go

1:02:06 Speaker 3: with that, like I'm not I'm sure that true.

1:02:08 Speaker 2: That is they say we can't. We came out of

1:02:11 Speaker 2: the water and you know, then evolved and you know

1:02:18 Speaker 2: here we are.

1:02:19 Speaker 3: Today, and that then we go back to the water.

1:02:26 Speaker 2: For some reason, and that's why our eyes get bigger, right,

1:02:31 Speaker 2: because the sun is far far less effective and right

1:02:36 Speaker 2: down there, it's still there, but it's not as prevalent.

1:02:39 Speaker 2: So you need to adapt to a darker environment one

1:02:43 Speaker 2: of water. It may it totally would make sense and

1:02:47 Speaker 2: fit that like kind of like that model. So so

1:02:53 Speaker 2: there us from the future, but they live here now.

1:02:57 Speaker 3: But there is.

1:02:58 Speaker 2: Another place you said that they so doctor Jonathan put

1:03:03 Speaker 2: the link on and so then what he went into

1:03:05 Speaker 2: the water on earth?

1:03:07 Speaker 5: See, that's that's a tough one to answer because you know,

1:03:10 Speaker 5: while we sit here we can talk about this, we

1:03:12 Speaker 5: still can't quantify what that dimension actually was. You know,

1:03:15 Speaker 5: Jonathan can talk about it and describe it, and you

1:03:18 Speaker 5: know he saw these you know, very large forty fifty

1:03:21 Speaker 5: foot pillar beams of light that had the consciousness of

1:03:25 Speaker 5: you know what you would call christ You know, they're

1:03:27 Speaker 5: on that fourth fifth, sixth dimensional intelligence and consciousness level.

1:03:33 Speaker 5: But there's an entire civilization, and who knows if they're

1:03:36 Speaker 5: actually swimming around in the water, if they have some

1:03:38 Speaker 5: sort of breathable air and you know, contained units. I

1:03:41 Speaker 5: don't know exactly what that looks like. And maybe Jonathan

1:03:43 Speaker 5: could answer that a little bit more clearly. But you know,

1:03:46 Speaker 5: you got to think again non linearly in this. Just

1:03:50 Speaker 5: because you know we're in this space doesn't mean that

1:03:53 Speaker 5: there isn't something else utilizing the same space in a

1:03:55 Speaker 5: different vibration. In fact, that's the way I look at

1:03:57 Speaker 5: reality built on a level of height rather than something

1:04:01 Speaker 5: that goes horizontally, the way we look at.

1:04:03 Speaker 3: Top layered like an onion, right, rather than flat like

1:04:09 Speaker 3: flat Earth.

1:04:10 Speaker 5: Correct. You gotta love the flat earth theory, right.

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1:07:51 Speaker 2: We're back from the break. I am here with Michael.

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1:08:02 Speaker 2: You know, we were talking about things, you know, where

1:08:04 Speaker 2: should we go next?

1:08:05 Speaker 3: And you had mentioned mon Talk.

1:08:09 Speaker 2: Now, I think a lot of people now kind of go, oh,

1:08:14 Speaker 2: it's a stranger things thing, you know.

1:08:17 Speaker 3: Can you tell us the mon talk story?

1:08:19 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll give you an abbreviated version, because this is

1:08:22 Speaker 5: something that really has no end when you get down

1:08:25 Speaker 5: to it and you talk about going down a rabbit hole,

1:08:27 Speaker 5: this is the biggest one you can find. Yes, So, yes,

1:08:33 Speaker 5: the mont Talk project has been amplified in terms of

1:08:36 Speaker 5: interest because of Stranger Things. Initially, when I was talking

1:08:40 Speaker 5: to the mon Talk historian Brian Minnick, we kind of

1:08:43 Speaker 5: both had the consensus that this wasn't a great thing

1:08:46 Speaker 5: because you know, it was bringing other people around that

1:08:48 Speaker 5: didn't really necessarily have the respect for what had happened

1:08:51 Speaker 5: at Campiro didn't have the full story. They were you know,

1:08:55 Speaker 5: printing out falsities within their narrative. So you know, again,

1:09:00 Speaker 5: first we kind of looked at this and thought, well,

1:09:01 Speaker 5: this is more of a negative thing in terms of publicity.

1:09:03 Speaker 5: But as time has gone on, I've noticed that anytime

1:09:08 Speaker 5: I bring up the Montalk project, I can connect people

1:09:11 Speaker 5: with this idea through stranger things. So I met just

1:09:14 Speaker 5: stranger things like oh yeah, I know that show, so

1:09:16 Speaker 5: all right, the first season is essentially what was happening

1:09:18 Speaker 5: to kids in Montalk. Pretty smart on, yeah, I mean,

1:09:21 Speaker 5: the conditioning, the reprogramming, all that you see eleven go

1:09:25 Speaker 5: through was a very small sliver of what actually happened.

1:09:29 Speaker 5: But I've held the original script in my hand and

1:09:31 Speaker 5: it was actually I've held in my hand, I've read it,

1:09:35 Speaker 5: and you know, I don't understand exactly why. There are

1:09:39 Speaker 5: reasons that are given they went a different direction instead

1:09:42 Speaker 5: of using Montalk, but that's where the inspiration is from,

1:09:45 Speaker 5: as you know. So the Montalk project, we have the

1:09:48 Speaker 5: accounts of essentially three people, but I'll include the fourth

1:09:53 Speaker 5: because he was part of that story. You have Preston Nichols,

1:09:56 Speaker 5: Al Dunk excuse me, Duncan Cameron and al Bailck. And

1:09:59 Speaker 5: then of course you have Peter Moon, who was ancillary

1:10:02 Speaker 5: in helping to write the books with Preston. I've hung

1:10:07 Speaker 5: out with Peter Moon. I've gone to Campiro with him.

1:10:10 Speaker 5: He's in my first documentary on Montalk, and you know

1:10:13 Speaker 5: I spent personal time with him as well. He does

1:10:17 Speaker 5: believe that what was expressed through these three individuals more

1:10:22 Speaker 5: than likely did happen. Does he believe that it happened

1:10:25 Speaker 5: exactly the way that these individuals had recounted. No, and

1:10:28 Speaker 5: nobody really should because there's a lot to unpack when

1:10:35 Speaker 5: it comes through this, and we're talking about deep seated

1:10:37 Speaker 5: memories that they're relying on. There's very little physical evidence

1:10:43 Speaker 5: that this actually happened. But anecdotally, I've gotten to the

1:10:47 Speaker 5: bottom of this as far as I think I can

1:10:49 Speaker 5: go talking to locals and people that were around during

1:10:54 Speaker 5: that time. Everybody in montak either has a story about

1:10:56 Speaker 5: how they're involved, or they know somebody that was involved,

1:10:59 Speaker 5: or or they knew somebody who was in the Gifted

1:11:01 Speaker 5: and Talented program, Talented Gifted, whatever it is, where they

1:11:04 Speaker 5: were taking kids in and doing this stuff. Now, initially

1:11:09 Speaker 5: they kind of went to military families. So if you were,

1:11:12 Speaker 5: you know, a family that had active people in the military,

1:11:15 Speaker 5: they come to you and say, hey, listen, we have

1:11:16 Speaker 5: an opportunity. You know, we need your child to participate.

1:11:19 Speaker 5: This is going to be for the betterment of the country.

1:11:21 Speaker 5: This is the other thing, and people would dish out

1:11:23 Speaker 5: their kids not realizing that. I guess the number has

1:11:27 Speaker 5: grown to about three hundred thousand that was suspected to

1:11:30 Speaker 5: have died in Campiro. The whole experiment itself was empirical,

1:11:36 Speaker 5: so you know, let's just say one aspect of it.

1:11:39 Speaker 5: You'd sit in a chair. The Sage radar system that's

1:11:41 Speaker 5: on the base, the last one left in the world.

1:11:44 Speaker 5: It just happened to be the right frequency to create

1:11:47 Speaker 5: mind control frequencies. Is how this whole thing began. And

1:11:50 Speaker 5: then they were experimenting with other oscillations and frequencies outside

1:11:54 Speaker 5: of that, just to see what would happen and the

1:11:56 Speaker 5: effect on the human body. So you'd be sitting in

1:11:58 Speaker 5: a chair and they beam a certain set of frequencies

1:12:02 Speaker 5: at you. See what happened. Maybe you fried, maybe something

1:12:06 Speaker 5: else happened, And if you die, they just play out

1:12:08 Speaker 5: of the chair, kick you aside, and put somebody else

1:12:09 Speaker 5: in it and dial up one more and see what happens.

1:12:11 Speaker 5: Now we'll record it. So again, the empirical nature of

1:12:15 Speaker 5: this experiment was it was absolutely horrific and there was

1:12:20 Speaker 5: a lot of life lost allegedly within this project. But

1:12:24 Speaker 5: we go into time travel, we go into time dilation.

1:12:27 Speaker 5: We talk about removing the soul from the body, putting

1:12:29 Speaker 5: in a silicon based computer, reprogramming it, putting it back

1:12:32 Speaker 5: into the body. One thing I'm gonna mention, and I've

1:12:36 Speaker 5: said this for many years. You know, a lot of

1:12:38 Speaker 5: these ideas of what technology was used in the Montak project,

1:12:41 Speaker 5: it just seemed to be utter pure fantasy. Okay, some

1:12:44 Speaker 5: Star Trek kind of stuff. Long story short. I always

1:12:48 Speaker 5: said watch. You're going to see that technology implemented into

1:12:52 Speaker 5: the public at some point, and it's going to be

1:12:54 Speaker 5: used for something different or something similar, but it's not weaponized.

1:12:57 Speaker 5: It's just now going to be out there.

1:12:59 Speaker 3: Ye into the public sector in some way atm or fashion.

1:13:02 Speaker 5: And usually these are privatized organizations using this type of technology.

1:13:06 Speaker 5: You talk about skunk Words, you talk about Lockheed Martin,

1:13:08 Speaker 5: you talk about Bigelow, all these different facets of companies

1:13:13 Speaker 5: that they're going to use this technology. They have the

1:13:15 Speaker 5: first dib on it. And recently I've been coming across

1:13:18 Speaker 5: articles where they're talking about by twenty forty five, there

1:13:23 Speaker 5: will be an option where they can extract your essence,

1:13:26 Speaker 5: your soul, whatever you want to call it, put it

1:13:28 Speaker 5: in a silicon based computer, give you a new body,

1:13:31 Speaker 5: put you back in Okay, by twenty forty five, that's

1:13:34 Speaker 5: going to be available to the elites. By twenty fifty five,

1:13:37 Speaker 5: that'll be available to the common person. Now, there's a

1:13:40 Speaker 5: huge uproar in the scientific community based on morality because.

1:13:44 Speaker 3: That's transhumanist, very much so.

1:13:47 Speaker 5: And at the same time, we're sort of cheating death now, right,

1:13:51 Speaker 5: so we achieve a type of immortality that people are

1:13:54 Speaker 5: really nervous about. And I understand that.

1:13:56 Speaker 2: So, but this is if we say that Freddie thing

1:14:00 Speaker 2: is real, right, and they've also.

1:14:05 Speaker 3: Essentially cured death.

1:14:07 Speaker 2: I don't like to death is not a disease, transcend

1:14:11 Speaker 2: it but transit, thank you, transcended death. Right, this is

1:14:17 Speaker 2: like what that sounds like is the crudest form of that. Right,

1:14:22 Speaker 2: it's the first step. It's it's the chat GPT of AI. Yes, right,

1:14:28 Speaker 2: it's the l l l l M Large Language Model

1:14:32 Speaker 2: of AI. It's the the entry point.

1:14:36 Speaker 3: Right, is this like, all.

1:14:38 Speaker 2: Right, we'll upload you onto computer and then we'll put

1:14:40 Speaker 2: you spring you back into a different body.

1:14:42 Speaker 3: Right.

1:14:43 Speaker 2: Whereas they've if you're if it's true, they've just solved

1:14:47 Speaker 2: it to the point where you have one body, right

1:14:50 Speaker 2: and you just live for you know, you decide your time.

1:14:53 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they've gone well beyond what we could right.

1:14:56 Speaker 2: But again you see these exponential points right, like these

1:15:01 Speaker 2: where you could see there. It's like the technology is there,

1:15:05 Speaker 2: it's just different stages of it, right, And we're on

1:15:08 Speaker 2: the precipice of and maybe that's why there's a lot

1:15:12 Speaker 2: more interaction now, is we are on the precipice maybe

1:15:18 Speaker 2: you know, the nuclear bomb.

1:15:19 Speaker 3: We've seen that there's a correlation between these beings, you.

1:15:30 Speaker 2: Know, interacting with our nuclear sites. Right ever since the

1:15:34 Speaker 2: Trinity tests and you know, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, there's been

1:15:39 Speaker 2: an unprecedented and very very dramatic increase in sightings. It's statistical,

1:15:48 Speaker 2: absolutely right. So was that the first bell that's wrung

1:15:55 Speaker 2: and then the second bell is AI?

1:15:57 Speaker 5: Well the scary thing about all this, Glad you brought

1:16:00 Speaker 5: this up, because it's something I did want to talk about.

1:16:02 Speaker 5: You know, in Freddie coming back to Jonathan, he's bringing

1:16:05 Speaker 5: messages to him every time, and he's giving him dire

1:16:09 Speaker 5: warnings too, because essentially, as I mentioned Freddie being us

1:16:13 Speaker 5: from a future timeline or what have you, they made

1:16:16 Speaker 5: the same mistakes that we're making right now, especially when

1:16:20 Speaker 5: it comes to AI. They leaned very heavily on AI

1:16:23 Speaker 5: to the point where they just let AI do everything.

1:16:27 Speaker 5: So they lost a certain type of humanity that we

1:16:29 Speaker 5: naturally possess in exchange for an easier existence with AI,

1:16:34 Speaker 5: and you know, a model that was automatic. So the

1:16:39 Speaker 5: problem is, I mean, I can talk about this till

1:16:42 Speaker 5: I'm blue in the face. Jonathan can talk about this.

1:16:44 Speaker 5: You can talk about this, but right now, it's not

1:16:46 Speaker 5: going to change our trajectory when we're using AI, or

1:16:49 Speaker 5: the intention behind what we're going to do with it

1:16:51 Speaker 5: or what we have done with it already.

1:16:53 Speaker 2: Guys like Peter Thiel, guys like Sam Altman, they're not

1:16:57 Speaker 2: going to stop because we the plebes in the lower

1:17:02 Speaker 2: class to them, say got hey, this is ethically questionable.

1:17:08 Speaker 5: And its back to what you said, man's greed.

1:17:11 Speaker 3: Man's greed. Man's man's un.

1:17:16 Speaker 2: Unapologetic plunging into the unknown without understanding the ramification when

1:17:30 Speaker 2: we should be crawling instead of full sprint. Right, these guys,

1:17:36 Speaker 2: have you seen the trailer for that? Like it's like

1:17:39 Speaker 2: the AI Apocalypse documentary? Maybe I'm not sure these guys

1:17:44 Speaker 2: all that are the originators.

1:17:45 Speaker 3: Of AI, he asked the documentary, and documentary documentarian Cheese

1:17:56 Speaker 3: asks them each.

1:17:58 Speaker 2: And the way they cut it, it's perfect, but it's

1:18:01 Speaker 2: also haunting because each person he's talking to, they're at

1:18:05 Speaker 2: the head of these AI tech giant companies, and he says,

1:18:10 Speaker 2: can you guarantee this doesn't lead to the extinction of humanity?

1:18:17 Speaker 3: Each one of them says, Unfortunately, I can't make that promise.

1:18:23 Speaker 3: That's right in secession, like five or seven of them boom,

1:18:28 Speaker 3: all saying the same thing.

1:18:29 Speaker 2: I can't, like almost like it's scripted, Like I'm sorry,

1:18:34 Speaker 2: I can't make that promise. They know that they we

1:18:37 Speaker 2: might be running to our.

1:18:41 Speaker 7: Death.

1:18:42 Speaker 5: No, but do you know why they don't care about that?

1:18:44 Speaker 3: Because of man's creed?

1:18:46 Speaker 5: That's the simple answer. Right, there's a lot of evidence

1:18:50 Speaker 5: that we've already moved off planet, a lot of evidence.

1:18:53 Speaker 3: So like the Secret Space Program, we can go.

1:18:56 Speaker 5: That direction because I mean, bring this.

1:19:00 Speaker 3: Full circle, mon talk your essentially creating kids.

1:19:07 Speaker 2: That have superpowers, right, this consciousness based like ability. You know,

1:19:14 Speaker 2: of course they made it look a little bit weirder

1:19:17 Speaker 2: and Stranger Things where she's like moving things of their mind,

1:19:20 Speaker 2: and there's probably an element of that, but I don't think,

1:19:25 Speaker 2: you know, like the superhero element that they added in

1:19:29 Speaker 2: dramatization of Stranger Things is like the true thing. I

1:19:33 Speaker 2: think it's like they were really conducting experiments on like

1:19:38 Speaker 2: consciousness and how it can be molded with kids because

1:19:42 Speaker 2: they're susceptible, they're not locked in. So if you find

1:19:46 Speaker 2: out that the soul is not anchored till puberty, well,

1:19:49 Speaker 2: then you're gonna get want a bunch of pre pubescent kids.

1:19:52 Speaker 3: That's right to fuck around with, right to to mold, and.

1:20:00 Speaker 2: That leads to whatever comes next, into whatever comes after that.

1:20:04 Speaker 3: And you know, soldiers in.

1:20:06 Speaker 2: The battlefield with enhancements, and that leads to that's at

1:20:09 Speaker 2: least how they're thinking, right, yes, And eventually we get

1:20:13 Speaker 2: to this place, and that's where we are now, where

1:20:16 Speaker 2: everything's compartmentalized, siloed zero point energy is locked in a skiff.

1:20:23 Speaker 3: Right, what.

1:20:32 Speaker 2: If we are off planet and if we are conducting

1:20:37 Speaker 2: this secret space program. I think all of these things

1:20:40 Speaker 2: are connected.

1:20:41 Speaker 5: They are, and it all begins really with Montalk, and

1:20:44 Speaker 5: there are a lot of sister projects that branched out.

1:20:47 Speaker 5: Montalk wasn't the only project of its type going on

1:20:49 Speaker 5: at the time. There was a parallel project over in Russia.

1:20:51 Speaker 5: I know for sure. They had a similar psychic chair

1:20:54 Speaker 5: that you could sit and make things manifest, whether that's

1:20:57 Speaker 5: a can of beer or it's you know, a portal

1:20:59 Speaker 5: that you walk.

1:21:00 Speaker 3: Was this a Soviet Union or Russia?

1:21:03 Speaker 5: It was more likely the Soviet Union at the time.

1:21:05 Speaker 5: I'm just that's what I understand. So it's over there

1:21:08 Speaker 5: in that area in that country, they were doing the

1:21:10 Speaker 5: same thing.

1:21:11 Speaker 2: Well, Cold War era, you know, we were fighting, that's

1:21:16 Speaker 2: the thing. We're just we're racing Russia, and.

1:21:20 Speaker 5: We had time to do that because it was no

1:21:22 Speaker 5: actual conflict. There was always the threat of conflict, but

1:21:24 Speaker 5: it never came. So they spent that time doing more

1:21:27 Speaker 5: research and stuff along those lines. But you know, you mentioned,

1:21:31 Speaker 5: you know, maybe the superhero thing wasn't necessarily an aspect

1:21:35 Speaker 5: We got to keep in mind. There was an individual

1:21:37 Speaker 5: by the name of Andy Parow who was in Project Superman,

1:21:40 Speaker 5: and one of the tasks that he was meant to

1:21:43 Speaker 5: do was you'd start on a stool, You stand on

1:21:47 Speaker 5: the stool, you shut your eyes, and you jump off

1:21:49 Speaker 5: of it. But what was not understood at the time

1:21:53 Speaker 5: as the subject is that every time you stood in

1:21:55 Speaker 5: that school, it got taller and taller. You just didn't

1:21:57 Speaker 5: know it. So they conditioned the mind to believe the

1:22:01 Speaker 5: reality wanted to experience, and so at some point he

1:22:05 Speaker 5: was jumping off of bridges and not getting injured.

1:22:09 Speaker 3: But if he was to get a mindset was like

1:22:11 Speaker 3: it's a stool.

1:22:13 Speaker 5: His mind was literally manifesting that reality, so he would

1:22:15 Speaker 5: experience it as just jumping off of a stool.

1:22:18 Speaker 3: That's you know the conditioning.

1:22:20 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the conditioning. So the problem was there was

1:22:25 Speaker 5: a limit, So there was one jump that he made

1:22:28 Speaker 5: and he ended up breaking a leg. But according to

1:22:31 Speaker 5: people like Andrew Bijago, who was definitely part of Montalk,

1:22:35 Speaker 5: but he was also part of other projects I won't

1:22:38 Speaker 5: get into at the moment, he would say that there

1:22:41 Speaker 5: was a meditation that you would go into and you

1:22:43 Speaker 5: were conditioned to do this where you would actually reprogram

1:22:47 Speaker 5: your body to heal through the mind. And I actually

1:22:50 Speaker 5: listened to him talking about this meditation and going through it,

1:22:55 Speaker 5: and oddly enough, I found myself in some of these

1:22:58 Speaker 5: different colored rooms within my internal if you will. I

1:23:03 Speaker 5: actually saw what these looked like. So you know, maybe

1:23:06 Speaker 5: one room was red light and you walk in there.

1:23:09 Speaker 5: There'd be a small bathtub and you get into that bathtub,

1:23:12 Speaker 5: you know, in your meditation, and this would actually heal

1:23:15 Speaker 5: your physical body, so they could physically heal themselves after

1:23:19 Speaker 5: a certain point very consciously. Wow, well, well, beyond all

1:23:25 Speaker 5: this stuff. I sat down with a top Air Force

1:23:29 Speaker 5: official at a point and I asked him point blank,

1:23:32 Speaker 5: I said, listen, this is a couple of years ago, said,

1:23:34 Speaker 5: I understand we have technology the people that's one hundred

1:23:38 Speaker 5: years behind what the military has, or at least that's

1:23:41 Speaker 5: what he used to be twenty years ago. What are

1:23:43 Speaker 5: we looking at now? And he looks at me and

1:23:45 Speaker 5: he goes, it's beyond anything you can imagine. I said,

1:23:47 Speaker 5: wait a minute, I can imagine teleportation, I can imagine

1:23:50 Speaker 5: time travel, I can imagine X y Z. Are you

1:23:54 Speaker 5: saying the Sacred Space program actually has validity? He looks

1:23:56 Speaker 5: at me and he goes, yes, it's beyond anything you

1:23:58 Speaker 5: can imagine.

1:24:00 Speaker 3: Well. Famously, Ben Rich, the second director of Lockheed, the

1:24:09 Speaker 3: successor to the original Lockheed. Do we know his name?

1:24:14 Speaker 2: So the first director of Lockheed, second director of Lockey

1:24:18 Speaker 2: was Ben Rich, and he was given a great producer,

1:24:21 Speaker 2: you are, Gie, I asked you a question.

1:24:24 Speaker 3: He goes, I don't fucking know. Thanks guys, Thanks guys,

1:24:33 Speaker 3: great job. Can you time Stampa. I'll probably take that out.

1:24:43 Speaker 3: But ben Rich gave this talk.

1:24:48 Speaker 2: And he had retired from Lockheed Skunkwirks Division, which he

1:24:52 Speaker 2: was ahead of, and he said, so he's doing this

1:24:57 Speaker 2: presentation and at the end of the presentation there's witnesses

1:25:01 Speaker 2: to it. Too, a UFO like this craft, this triangular

1:25:07 Speaker 2: craft flies outside of the Earth's atmosphere and blasts off

1:25:13 Speaker 2: into into space.

1:25:15 Speaker 3: And he ends the talk.

1:25:18 Speaker 2: By saying, we now have the technology to take et home.

1:25:21 Speaker 5: Yes, I remember that.

1:25:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, So.

1:25:26 Speaker 5: They give us little hints, and then there's the the.

1:25:32 Speaker 3: McKinnon, Gary McKinnon.

1:25:34 Speaker 2: The non terrestrial officers, and then they tried tooth and nail.

1:25:42 Speaker 2: The United States government fought tooth and nail to extradite

1:25:48 Speaker 2: him because he ran a Pearl script, which is essentially

1:25:52 Speaker 2: he's not like a hacker.

1:25:54 Speaker 3: He wrote a.

1:25:55 Speaker 2: Pearl script which essentially just scans for either so it

1:26:01 Speaker 2: scans for servers for either having no password or password

1:26:05 Speaker 2: is the password. It's a pretty basic programming. It's a

1:26:09 Speaker 2: Pearl script, so it just runs itself into like so

1:26:12 Speaker 2: it's going into d O d any any website, any

1:26:15 Speaker 2: it's gonna log.

1:26:16 Speaker 3: Into, try to log into everything.

1:26:18 Speaker 2: And he got into because back in the early nineties

1:26:22 Speaker 2: or mid nineties, like cybersecurity was very lox, that's right.

1:26:26 Speaker 2: So he ended up getting into like the NASA server

1:26:30 Speaker 2: with this Pearl scripts and then you know back, you know,

1:26:34 Speaker 2: you guys remember or probably us three remember when you

1:26:40 Speaker 2: would load a picture on AOL and it would come

1:26:42 Speaker 2: up and like think like it would come in with

1:26:44 Speaker 2: strips so it could dial up internet. Right, So he's

1:26:49 Speaker 2: looking at he's like, you know, maybe.

1:26:52 Speaker 3: He's got five minutes inside of the remote desktop.

1:26:56 Speaker 2: So he's inside, he's fucking scouring, right, and he comes

1:27:01 Speaker 2: across a file that says non terrestrial officers and he

1:27:06 Speaker 2: clicks on it, and the first picture that starts to

1:27:09 Speaker 2: load is this list of names that were off they

1:27:15 Speaker 2: were labeled non terrestrial officers and what does that say

1:27:18 Speaker 2: to you? And then there was the ship names and

1:27:20 Speaker 2: they were all ship names that weren't ships. They weren't

1:27:25 Speaker 2: like sea ships, they were not on record as being

1:27:30 Speaker 2: like it wasn't like the the Eisenhower where you can.

1:27:34 Speaker 3: Look it up and like, okay, that's a do you know?

1:27:37 Speaker 5: Yeah.

1:27:38 Speaker 2: So then he clicks on something else and a picture

1:27:42 Speaker 2: starts to.

1:27:42 Speaker 3: Slowly load slowly, and it's he sees the Earth. He

1:27:47 Speaker 3: knows it's a planet.

1:27:48 Speaker 2: He doesn't know it's Earth yet, but he sees the

1:27:51 Speaker 2: horizon of the planet. And then this triangle craft starts

1:27:56 Speaker 2: to come into frame, but again it's loading like dial

1:27:58 Speaker 2: uploads bing bing bing, and he gets about.

1:28:02 Speaker 3: Halfway and then someone the.

1:28:06 Speaker 2: Mouse starts moving and he's not moving it, so he

1:28:09 Speaker 2: knows his goose is cooked, right, and then it just

1:28:12 Speaker 2: the mouse moves and right as it's about to load the.

1:28:15 Speaker 3: Full thing, and it's like a movie, it clicks out.

1:28:18 Speaker 2: It disconnects, like someone disconnected it from the office, because

1:28:23 Speaker 2: they clearly knew they had a breach and someone had

1:28:25 Speaker 2: breached it.

1:28:27 Speaker 3: And then up until Obama.

1:28:30 Speaker 2: They were trying to extradite this guy from for that,

1:28:36 Speaker 2: and they spent lots of money trying to get him.

1:28:39 Speaker 3: And then his home country. I forget if it's the

1:28:42 Speaker 3: UK or if it's somewhere else, but I think it's

1:28:46 Speaker 3: the UK. They wouldn't.

1:28:48 Speaker 2: They were like, it's unconstitutional because we know that you

1:28:53 Speaker 2: guys are going to overcharge this guy, like the punishment

1:29:00 Speaker 2: will not fit the crime, and we can't do that

1:29:04 Speaker 2: to our citizen.

1:29:04 Speaker 3: We're not going to extracte it. And that's an ally

1:29:06 Speaker 3: of ours saying listen, we're not doing it. So they

1:29:10 Speaker 3: were pissed.

1:29:11 Speaker 2: So if he ever sets foot on American soil, he

1:29:14 Speaker 2: has a warrant for his arrest still to this day,

1:29:17 Speaker 2: if he sets foot on American soil.

1:29:18 Speaker 3: He will be detained, and he will he will go

1:29:21 Speaker 3: the way of Snowden if Snowden ever came back.

1:29:25 Speaker 5: That's crazy, that's what they do. He was a kid,

1:29:28 Speaker 5: and he's still lucky to be where he is today.

1:29:31 Speaker 2: Edward, he's lucky then, and cuts them back to our

1:29:34 Speaker 2: deal to get to make a real fucking example of this.

1:29:39 Speaker 3: But this is what I mean.

1:29:41 Speaker 2: And this is like, because there's this big conversation about oh, whistleblowers,

1:29:46 Speaker 2: like we need to have one. That's like, they just

1:29:48 Speaker 2: need to tell us everything. That kid that that kid

1:29:55 Speaker 2: got into an open ass a server almost loaded a

1:29:59 Speaker 2: picture and saw a non terrestrial officer, and they tried

1:30:03 Speaker 2: to bury him under the jail. Don't you What do

1:30:06 Speaker 2: you think they do to you if you come out

1:30:08 Speaker 2: with material inside the Legacy program?

1:30:12 Speaker 3: I have a feeling that's when you blow up in

1:30:13 Speaker 3: front of the Trump Tower.

1:30:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much. I mean there were many examples that

1:30:18 Speaker 5: we could go back to, especially in the eighties and

1:30:19 Speaker 5: the nineties, but definitely earlier in the seventies where people

1:30:23 Speaker 5: were coming up with certain inventions like a car that

1:30:26 Speaker 5: runs on water.

1:30:26 Speaker 3: Stanley Meyer, there you go, Yeah, what.

1:30:28 Speaker 5: Happened to him? You know, or I used to see

1:30:31 Speaker 5: VHS tapes people would pass around because back in the day,

1:30:34 Speaker 5: that's how you you know, get some of these villa hours.

1:30:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, there wasn't the Internet.

1:30:37 Speaker 5: And you know, I'm watching people create anti gravity spaces

1:30:43 Speaker 5: like this room, and they're doing it in one way

1:30:45 Speaker 5: or another where they're making bowling balls float and levitate

1:30:49 Speaker 5: off the table. And they're doing this usually arcally, so

1:30:53 Speaker 5: it's through sound manipulation that they're doing this. But again

1:30:55 Speaker 5: we go back to frequency and vibration, right, that's I.

1:30:57 Speaker 3: Think that's why they made the pyramids.

1:30:59 Speaker 5: Yeah, well we can talk about that, but you know

1:31:03 Speaker 5: that being said, you know, these people would disappear or

1:31:06 Speaker 5: they would outright be killed, and that was what you

1:31:09 Speaker 5: had to keep on your head if you had anything

1:31:11 Speaker 5: like this in those days. Today a little bit different,

1:31:15 Speaker 5: but people have access to other things. So I remember

1:31:18 Speaker 5: seeing memory metal before it was utilized in any sort

1:31:22 Speaker 5: of industry. Okay, right, and we understood that this came

1:31:25 Speaker 5: from some craft or whatever, and they got it right.

1:31:30 Speaker 5: I would go to have you ever seen arrow Joe?

1:31:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, that shit's crazy.

1:31:34 Speaker 5: It's neat, but it's really expensive. I'd love to have

1:31:36 Speaker 5: a chunk of it me too. But you know, you

1:31:39 Speaker 5: go to conventions or you just see you know again

1:31:41 Speaker 5: on the videos, different people speaking in front of audiences,

1:31:45 Speaker 5: and then they'd have laid out on a table all

1:31:48 Speaker 5: kinds of material that was not of this earth. And

1:31:51 Speaker 5: memory metal was one of the first I saw back

1:31:53 Speaker 5: and I it was eighty seven or eighty eight something

1:31:55 Speaker 5: like that. I saw it on a video. Now we

1:31:58 Speaker 5: know again talking about interweaving concepts into our own practicality,

1:32:03 Speaker 5: memory metal is something that everybody knows about today. In

1:32:07 Speaker 5: the science behind it has been broken, so we understand it.

1:32:09 Speaker 5: But this is where we got a lot of this

1:32:12 Speaker 5: material from her?

1:32:12 Speaker 3: And where did it originate?

1:32:14 Speaker 5: Yeah? And I mean again, you have an inherent caution

1:32:17 Speaker 5: when you're walking around and talking about this stuff or

1:32:20 Speaker 5: if you have it in your possession.

1:32:21 Speaker 3: And do you know that from what I gather, even

1:32:27 Speaker 3: during the Cold War, there was some sort of deal

1:32:32 Speaker 3: where the United States at one point, even in the

1:32:37 Speaker 3: Cold War, they were allowing Russian scientists or Soviet scientists

1:32:44 Speaker 3: into the United States to work behind the scenes.

1:32:47 Speaker 2: Yep, this is things that've something I've heard from several people.

1:32:52 Speaker 2: I can't say who, just because I'm not trying to

1:32:58 Speaker 2: ask anyone to trust like trust me, bro and not

1:33:00 Speaker 2: anything like that. But it's just we were asked, like

1:33:04 Speaker 2: we were asked to not talk about that, like who

1:33:07 Speaker 2: said that? But I'm sure y'all can figure it out.

1:33:13 Speaker 2: It's pretty easy to figure out. But yeah, so there

1:33:17 Speaker 2: were Soviet scientists. I mean, Luigi Ventetelli was on the show,

1:33:22 Speaker 2: and like, I don't know how much you believe in

1:33:24 Speaker 2: the Lazaar story, but Lazar talks about how there's Soviet

1:33:28 Speaker 2: scientists that were inside Area fifty one at one point,

1:33:34 Speaker 2: and then the only reason we'd have them there is

1:33:38 Speaker 2: if they had something we needed and if we had

1:33:41 Speaker 2: something they needed, and it was a mutual benefit. But

1:33:44 Speaker 2: then something happened where the Americans broke through and they

1:33:47 Speaker 2: kicked the Russian scientists out, Soviet scientists out.

1:33:51 Speaker 3: But it goes to show.

1:33:53 Speaker 2: You that even during like a political like turmoil, like

1:33:59 Speaker 2: a public conflict, behind the scenes, there's no border lines,

1:34:06 Speaker 2: Like the deep state doesn't operate with the borders that

1:34:09 Speaker 2: we operate with.

1:34:10 Speaker 3: Absolutely not, And I find that interesting.

1:34:14 Speaker 5: At least supersede everything, and you know, again you get

1:34:16 Speaker 5: into the idea of a shadow government and.

1:34:18 Speaker 3: The breakaway civilization.

1:34:20 Speaker 5: Ultimately, well, yes, that's it's essentially what it is. Those

1:34:23 Speaker 5: people live a life that would be so foreign to us.

1:34:28 Speaker 5: It's literally like they're living on another planet. If they

1:34:30 Speaker 5: are not, it's inconsequential. But that being said, their reality

1:34:34 Speaker 5: is you know, measured in the same way you look

1:34:36 Speaker 5: at a big time celebrity who just isn't in touch

1:34:39 Speaker 5: with what reality actually is, and maybe they don't have

1:34:42 Speaker 5: to struggle for certain things that the normal person would.

1:34:46 Speaker 5: So I mean there's a very deep separation between us

1:34:51 Speaker 5: and that faction of people living life in that way.

1:34:55 Speaker 5: And then again again, you can talk about the Secret

1:34:57 Speaker 5: States programmer, you can talk about some of the efforts

1:35:00 Speaker 5: that have gone into exposing that. And I'm not talking

1:35:02 Speaker 5: about just these super soldiers that say I was there

1:35:04 Speaker 5: and I was in this unit and flew on their ship.

1:35:06 Speaker 5: There's a plethora of those kind of people, not to

1:35:09 Speaker 5: invalidate their stories, but there are others who've worked within

1:35:12 Speaker 5: the military factions that we are familiar with, and they say, yes,

1:35:16 Speaker 5: we've been doing this for a very long time. We

1:35:17 Speaker 5: have fleets out there. We're in an intergalactic war right now.

1:35:21 Speaker 3: So tell me about that. What are you, because you.

1:35:25 Speaker 2: Had said, Now, this is clearly where you differ from

1:35:29 Speaker 2: a guy like doctor Greer, right, And I don't know

1:35:33 Speaker 2: if like the cousin brothers also like subscribe to the

1:35:37 Speaker 2: notion that all ets are like good they have their

1:35:40 Speaker 2: own opinions.

1:35:41 Speaker 3: Okay, clear you're a lot in that same camp of belief,

1:35:47 Speaker 3: which I think is a naive thing to think.

1:35:50 Speaker 5: I mean, I think gre has something I'm not even saying.

1:35:53 Speaker 5: You know, it goes into the whole idea of what's

1:35:55 Speaker 5: being presented here.

1:35:58 Speaker 3: Well, it's his narrative, right, it's.

1:35:59 Speaker 5: Definitely his name. But you know, he says a lot

1:36:01 Speaker 5: and there's a lot that he cannot back up. And

1:36:04 Speaker 5: that's that's the problem. I can listen to somebody talk

1:36:06 Speaker 5: all day and you can tell me whatever you want.

1:36:08 Speaker 5: Maybe I believe some of it, maybe I won't. But

1:36:10 Speaker 5: the fact matter is it's all anecdotal. So yes, we

1:36:14 Speaker 5: do need a little bit more of that evidence to

1:36:16 Speaker 5: kind of convince ourselves that there's a much larger picture,

1:36:19 Speaker 5: as we've spoken about. But you know, at the same time,

1:36:22 Speaker 5: it's you know, I take everything with a grain of salt.

1:36:24 Speaker 5: You have to, and I've interviewed you know Montak survivors.

1:36:28 Speaker 5: I've interviewed Secret Space program people. I was very good

1:36:31 Speaker 5: friends with James Rink. Unfortunately he passed away about a

1:36:34 Speaker 5: year ago. But you know, these guys all ledged that

1:36:39 Speaker 5: they were deeply involved in the Secret Space program, and

1:36:41 Speaker 5: they can come back and give you particulars and so forth. Now,

1:36:44 Speaker 5: the thing you need to as an interviewer or somebody

1:36:46 Speaker 5: really researching this, keep in mind very readily is that

1:36:50 Speaker 5: there are going to be people that you come across

1:36:52 Speaker 5: that have cognitive issues that need to be addressed in

1:36:58 Speaker 5: one way, shape or form. Now I've actually seen this,

1:37:01 Speaker 5: I I've worked with it as I've seen it unfold,

1:37:03 Speaker 5: and I give the utmost respect to those people because

1:37:06 Speaker 5: they believe what they want to believe, and I believe

1:37:08 Speaker 5: that they believe it. Okay, but I can see the

1:37:10 Speaker 5: holes in the stories. I can see the fractures, and

1:37:13 Speaker 5: sometimes it comes back to a trauma that's so deeply

1:37:16 Speaker 5: buried that they don't even realize that yet. And I

1:37:19 Speaker 5: get confirmation maybe a year or two later, that oh,

1:37:22 Speaker 5: they finally found that that's what it was. And you know,

1:37:24 Speaker 5: it's fine, I totally understand it. I always give people

1:37:26 Speaker 5: a voice to express themselves. It doesn't necessarily mean that

1:37:29 Speaker 5: I have to believe everything you're saying. I just have

1:37:32 Speaker 5: to again believe that you believe it. So, you know,

1:37:34 Speaker 5: to get back to your question again, take everything with

1:37:37 Speaker 5: a grain of salt. Find the continuities between these narratives,

1:37:41 Speaker 5: the ones that are not directly connected between the people

1:37:45 Speaker 5: saying it. Find the continuities that seem to be something

1:37:49 Speaker 5: more peripheral that actually do connect outside that box that

1:37:52 Speaker 5: we're all looking at. So that's the way I look

1:37:55 Speaker 5: at this, and Nees. There are many different species of

1:37:58 Speaker 5: what we consider extraterrestrials. Some of them are malevolent, some

1:38:00 Speaker 5: of them are neutral, and some of them are benevolent. Generally,

1:38:03 Speaker 5: the benevolent ones are our parentage where we came from.

1:38:06 Speaker 5: And there is more evidence gathered today than ever has

1:38:10 Speaker 5: been before that we were created by extraterrestrials. We actually

1:38:14 Speaker 5: have the names of those species, and there was six

1:38:16 Speaker 5: or eight of them that created us interdimensionally. I think

1:38:19 Speaker 5: it was six or eight at a time, right, you know,

1:38:21 Speaker 5: you didn't really have men and women. It was an

1:38:24 Speaker 5: androgynous sort of thing, and we were bred. As the

1:38:26 Speaker 5: story goes to work in the minds to mind goal

1:38:30 Speaker 5: from the film Nephelom. And you know, we didn't have

1:38:35 Speaker 5: sexual organs, so we didn't have the consciousness to procreate,

1:38:39 Speaker 5: and that was on purpose. You go into the garden

1:38:42 Speaker 5: of Eden's story, this is a huge metaphor for something

1:38:46 Speaker 5: that happened between two of the Nephelom that we're you know,

1:38:50 Speaker 5: heading this whole thing. There's a whole backstory as to

1:38:52 Speaker 5: why they were there and what have you. Let you know,

1:38:55 Speaker 5: everybody else kind of figure that out and research. I

1:39:00 Speaker 5: familiar with the.

1:39:02 Speaker 3: One wanted to give autonomy.

1:39:07 Speaker 2: One wanted to keep us as like lower frequency, as slaves,

1:39:15 Speaker 2: and you know what I mean. There's a lot of

1:39:17 Speaker 2: parables to like a lot of different stories, but this

1:39:21 Speaker 2: seems to be the Sumerian version, right, This seems.

1:39:27 Speaker 3: To and that's the first.

1:39:28 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the cradle of civilization, right, It's the

1:39:31 Speaker 2: first civilization. And that's why I give it so much

1:39:35 Speaker 2: more validity because for them to have written this down,

1:39:40 Speaker 2: it's important that we at least are open to this idea, right,

1:39:47 Speaker 2: because for us, writing something down is as easy as

1:39:51 Speaker 2: I mean, I could put my phone out of mode

1:39:53 Speaker 2: and it would just dictate, right, I could. That's as

1:39:57 Speaker 2: I could write that way, right, I just speak in

1:40:00 Speaker 2: it and it does it for me. For them, they

1:40:04 Speaker 2: had to heat up stone and fucking put little dashes

1:40:10 Speaker 2: and stuff and hope that someone would be able to

1:40:12 Speaker 2: decipher it one day like that story, and you know

1:40:20 Speaker 2: kind of where I was going. Ultimately would would be

1:40:24 Speaker 2: the fact that, Okay, what I think you're onto here is,

1:40:29 Speaker 2: for instance, the story of all the religions, almost all of.

1:40:34 Speaker 3: Them have a flood story.

1:40:37 Speaker 2: We we need not look at the entire book or

1:40:42 Speaker 2: whether it's the Bible.

1:40:43 Speaker 3: The Korean.

1:40:44 Speaker 2: We need not look at the entire book as fact,

1:40:47 Speaker 2: but there are things that we can discern if every

1:40:50 Speaker 2: single one of them has it all right, sounds like

1:40:54 Speaker 2: there was a flood, right, They are your consistencies, your

1:40:58 Speaker 2: through lines, you're these are not just metaphors. And then

1:41:01 Speaker 2: we look at the geological.

1:41:03 Speaker 3: Record and there's record of a.

1:41:04 Speaker 2: Flood at that time. Okay, guys, we're putting it together now.

1:41:10 Speaker 2: This is how we put our history together. First off,

1:41:12 Speaker 2: how the fuck are we a species that has no

1:41:15 Speaker 2: idea of our own origin?

1:41:17 Speaker 3: Like that blows my mind?

1:41:19 Speaker 5: Well, how are we just figuring all this shit out now?

1:41:21 Speaker 5: When historians have been looking at this kind of stuff for.

1:41:24 Speaker 3: Ages, because they weren't doing what they said they were doing.

1:41:28 Speaker 3: They were never giving us our history.

1:41:30 Speaker 2: Our history had been written, right, it had been written

1:41:34 Speaker 2: by a select few who wanted our history.

1:41:38 Speaker 3: We can get into that a different time. But and

1:41:42 Speaker 3: I think that.

1:41:44 Speaker 2: The pyramids, these these things, I think that there was

1:41:48 Speaker 2: a network, a global network of at one time like

1:41:53 Speaker 2: maybe Atlantis. Maybe if maybe that's what we're talking about.

1:41:58 Speaker 2: And again someone you know, you have you have Plato

1:42:04 Speaker 2: writing about it, but he's also hearing the story secondhand.

1:42:08 Speaker 2: So we don't know how many iterations of that story

1:42:11 Speaker 2: became Atlantis, right, But what it could be based on

1:42:14 Speaker 2: is inevitably this larger network of whatever came before the

1:42:22 Speaker 2: Ice Age and the younger, driest impact and when civilization

1:42:27 Speaker 2: was essentially reset.

1:42:29 Speaker 3: Right.

1:42:31 Speaker 2: We just don't know, We don't know what there was,

1:42:35 Speaker 2: but we seemingly have some of the structures that are

1:42:41 Speaker 2: here that also mirror things on the Moon and mirror

1:42:45 Speaker 2: things on Mars. And there's this constant pyramid, pyramidal shape

1:42:51 Speaker 2: that is in this architecture that is seen through celestial bodies.

1:42:57 Speaker 2: And I just can't look away from that, and there's

1:43:01 Speaker 2: no body's ever been found inside of a pyramid.

1:43:03 Speaker 5: No, because they weren't tombs.

1:43:04 Speaker 3: They were not tombs.

1:43:06 Speaker 2: I think they were, so I'm not sure if I'm

1:43:09 Speaker 2: ready to say that they were. Like, but like the

1:43:12 Speaker 2: technology Tesla was onto, I think he was looking at

1:43:15 Speaker 2: the pyramids saying, there's something here, right, there's something here.

1:43:20 Speaker 5: He knew a lot more than he even let on right.

1:43:22 Speaker 2: Because and then they're fine tuned to like astrological they

1:43:27 Speaker 2: reflect also the cosmos in the cosmology, and then the mathematical.

1:43:33 Speaker 3: Precision of them.

1:43:34 Speaker 2: And all over the world we see these pyramids and

1:43:37 Speaker 2: every continent we see them, Like, just stop bullshitting, Stop bullshitting,

1:43:43 Speaker 2: Like you know how this all happened. You think you're

1:43:46 Speaker 2: gonna tell me. They fucking rolled a block that was

1:43:50 Speaker 2: sixteen one hundred and sixty tons.

1:43:55 Speaker 3: On wet sand up how.

1:43:59 Speaker 5: Tall to beer? I don't remember the exact figure, but

1:44:02 Speaker 5: it's tall.

1:44:03 Speaker 2: It's fucking gigantic, you're telling me. And they would have

1:44:06 Speaker 2: the timeline they proposes twenty years, Yeah, they built in

1:44:10 Speaker 2: they would have had to place a block every minute

1:44:15 Speaker 2: at that rate.

1:44:16 Speaker 3: To stop acting like we're fucking stupid.

1:44:19 Speaker 5: Well, there was a book I forget who wrote it,

1:44:21 Speaker 5: but it was entitled nothing in this book is true,

1:44:23 Speaker 5: but it's exactly the way things are, and the author

1:44:25 Speaker 5: asserted that the pyramids were built from the top down

1:44:29 Speaker 5: in three days. Chell on that one for a second.

1:44:34 Speaker 5: Let's talk about down. Let's talk about coral castle. Okay,

1:44:40 Speaker 5: Edward Scodalen, I'm gonna I'm not saying his last name, right.

1:44:44 Speaker 5: Long story short, there's a coral castle that was built

1:44:47 Speaker 5: by one man down in Homestead, Florida. You can go

1:44:50 Speaker 5: and visit it today. But it's precision craftsmanship. And he

1:44:55 Speaker 5: was moving blocks that weigh tons and tons and tons

1:44:58 Speaker 5: by himself. Nobody he knew how he was doing it.

1:45:01 Speaker 5: In fact, when you kids would get curious to kind

1:45:03 Speaker 5: of get closer to his property to be looking up

1:45:05 Speaker 5: over the ledge, it see him with you know, the

1:45:06 Speaker 5: liver and pulleys. But as soon as they started looking

1:45:09 Speaker 5: at him, regardless if he was facing the other way,

1:45:11 Speaker 5: he would just stop working and stand there until they left.

1:45:14 Speaker 5: So somehow he knew when he was being watched, and

1:45:17 Speaker 5: every time people would ask him, they press them, well,

1:45:20 Speaker 5: how'd you make this? How are you doing this? Eventually

1:45:23 Speaker 5: the only thing he said was I figured out how

1:45:26 Speaker 5: they built the pyramids in Egypt. And he wrote an

1:45:29 Speaker 5: entire book on electromagnetism that he used his own notation

1:45:34 Speaker 5: and systems for. I've read it. I have it at

1:45:36 Speaker 5: my house. It's very interesting. I don't know how practical

1:45:39 Speaker 5: it is, but it is interesting to see how his

1:45:40 Speaker 5: mind worked us a little bit. He must have discovered

1:45:43 Speaker 5: something that we are not aware of. But that's what

1:45:45 Speaker 5: he said. I discovered how they built the pyramids in Egypt.

1:45:48 Speaker 3: And that's a very ominous yeah, like wow.

1:45:52 Speaker 5: He never really said anything.

1:45:53 Speaker 3: Heything though.

1:45:54 Speaker 5: He took it with him to his grave. But he

1:45:56 Speaker 5: spent his entire life building this castle. And the reason

1:46:00 Speaker 5: for it all started when he immigrated from somewhere over

1:46:04 Speaker 5: in Europe. He had a sweetheart that was supposed to

1:46:06 Speaker 5: marry him and then didn't. So when she left him,

1:46:09 Speaker 5: he came to America and that's what he did. He

1:46:11 Speaker 5: built that castle of his sweetheart that he never had

1:46:16 Speaker 5: poetic It's an interesting story.

1:46:19 Speaker 3: Jeez, jeez.

1:46:25 Speaker 2: One of the things I've talked about on the show

1:46:28 Speaker 2: before is this idea of sound like frequency right the

1:46:32 Speaker 2: keys to the universe is what I think, and do

1:46:36 Speaker 2: you think that potentially our ancestors and you know, whoever

1:46:40 Speaker 2: did build the pyramids, do you think that they may

1:46:43 Speaker 2: have had it and there may be this technology out

1:46:46 Speaker 2: there that it's not like this, like this is what

1:46:50 Speaker 2: we consider technology, like the microphone, the cameras, This is

1:46:54 Speaker 2: the technology to us. But technology is actually put the

1:47:00 Speaker 2: definition on screen right now, mark the timestamp. But technology

1:47:08 Speaker 2: is there's the broader definition of it is it's something

1:47:13 Speaker 2: that essentially solves a like solves a problem for you

1:47:20 Speaker 2: through means of So what I'm getting to is, because

1:47:23 Speaker 2: I don't have the definition off the top, bad, I'll

1:47:25 Speaker 2: just put it on the screen. But do you think

1:47:28 Speaker 2: they had a technology that it's just different than what

1:47:31 Speaker 2: we consider technology, something that where they were either either

1:47:35 Speaker 2: able to do through chants and drums and like frequency

1:47:43 Speaker 2: lift these stones, because it seems like that would be

1:47:47 Speaker 2: the only possibility but the only thing that fits aside

1:47:51 Speaker 2: from maybe having giants picking them up and putting them in,

1:47:57 Speaker 2: you would need to have some sort of levitation technique.

1:48:00 Speaker 2: And it sounds like that's the technology that essentially was

1:48:04 Speaker 2: able to fit those blocks so perfectly. Is like this

1:48:08 Speaker 2: idea of being able to manipulate. I mean, it sounds

1:48:13 Speaker 2: like sorcery, but that's also technology to us, and.

1:48:20 Speaker 3: That's how they did it. Do you think that's potentially.

1:48:22 Speaker 5: Well, we'll think of it this way. Who discovered electricity?

1:48:26 Speaker 3: Isaac? No?

1:48:29 Speaker 5: Uh?

1:48:31 Speaker 3: And it's no, no, no, who discovered electricity?

1:48:35 Speaker 5: Who's credited for discovering electricity?

1:48:37 Speaker 3: Is it? Ben Franklin? Yeah? The kite.

1:48:43 Speaker 2: I don't know why, said Isaac Newton's gravity.

1:48:46 Speaker 5: They're using, you know, certain things. So in our modern days,

1:48:51 Speaker 5: we're when we go to school that electricity was born

1:48:54 Speaker 5: into awareness with Benjamin Franklin. Prior to that, nobody had electricity.

1:48:57 Speaker 5: That's not true. Look at the bag Dad battery. It

1:49:00 Speaker 5: got electricity too, but they used a chemical way to

1:49:02 Speaker 5: do it instead of the way that we're using. It's

1:49:04 Speaker 5: still the same fucking product. Yes, it's the exact same result,

1:49:10 Speaker 5: but it's achieved differently. And I believe that a lot

1:49:13 Speaker 5: of these civilizations, ancient civilizations, had the same technology or

1:49:18 Speaker 5: at least in result of okay, that we have today,

1:49:21 Speaker 5: but they just went about it a different way, and

1:49:23 Speaker 5: the methodology that they use is lost to time. The

1:49:27 Speaker 5: majority of it is lost of time. Now we can

1:49:30 Speaker 5: talk about certain places that allegedly do have a world history,

1:49:34 Speaker 5: a complete world history of this Earth. And you know

1:49:37 Speaker 5: you talk about the room that's supposedly under the sphinx

1:49:39 Speaker 5: of you know, Giza, where it's underneath the right paw.

1:49:44 Speaker 5: I believe yea, if I'm not mistaken, I do believe

1:49:48 Speaker 5: somebody has been in there. And there was a specific

1:49:52 Speaker 5: time that this door would be able to be opened.

1:49:57 Speaker 5: I mean, there was something very magical about, you know,

1:49:59 Speaker 5: the way the this was opened, like an incantation. You

1:50:01 Speaker 5: had to be able to stay. I don't know what

1:50:02 Speaker 5: it was. It's it's exactly you know, obviously derived you know,

1:50:07 Speaker 5: in certain ways. But there were several of these deposits,

1:50:13 Speaker 5: if you will, throughout the planet, and only these very

1:50:16 Speaker 5: specific people were meant to find these at specific times.

1:50:19 Speaker 5: In our evolution from the Montark Project, we understand that

1:50:22 Speaker 5: Mars also has its own cavernous areas within that celestial

1:50:26 Speaker 5: body that housed the history of that planet as well.

1:50:29 Speaker 5: And what you know, some of these guys were doing

1:50:31 Speaker 5: the Montark Project was actually visiting Mars through their technology

1:50:35 Speaker 5: that they were using and going into these different spaces

1:50:40 Speaker 5: to learn about the history of Mars. Specifically. Now, keep

1:50:43 Speaker 5: in mind, every single civilization that has ever been has

1:50:47 Speaker 5: a reverence from Mars okay, not the Moon, although you

1:50:51 Speaker 5: see that too. It's Mars. Cairo in Egypt means Mars

1:50:56 Speaker 5: okay when when Pangaea was around. There is a possibility. Again,

1:51:04 Speaker 5: this needs to be verified a little bit further, but

1:51:06 Speaker 5: there is a possibility. And it's been proposed that the

1:51:09 Speaker 5: same land that is now Egypt was also Long Island.

1:51:15 Speaker 5: And there are only two pharaohs that have ever been

1:51:18 Speaker 5: recorded in Egypt and Long Island. Now you start seeing

1:51:23 Speaker 5: some of the continuities between Egypt, Mars and Montalk and

1:51:27 Speaker 5: you start asking a lot more questions.

1:51:30 Speaker 3: Hmm. With Montalk.

1:51:37 Speaker 2: In the dramatization of it with Stranger Things, they talk

1:51:43 Speaker 2: about an inter dimensional riff that is opened subsequently by

1:51:50 Speaker 2: the actions of what they're doing.

1:51:52 Speaker 3: And these beings come.

1:51:55 Speaker 2: From, you know, in what the dramatization of it is

1:52:00 Speaker 2: is is you know, they come from the upside down.

1:52:03 Speaker 2: But this limbo, which I don't want to spoil the

1:52:07 Speaker 2: show if anyone hasn't watched it, I wasn't too happy

1:52:11 Speaker 2: with how they explained it the upside down.

1:52:14 Speaker 3: But whatever.

1:52:17 Speaker 2: Einstein Rosen bridges and whatever you know they wanted to

1:52:21 Speaker 2: call it. But is this part of the story accurate

1:52:26 Speaker 2: where something comes through a dimensional rift or do you

1:52:32 Speaker 2: think this is part of that cognitive dissonance.

1:52:35 Speaker 5: Well, what the brothers did when they created this is

1:52:40 Speaker 5: they merged a lot of the concepts that came out

1:52:43 Speaker 5: of mon Talk and they made sort of their own

1:52:45 Speaker 5: entity out of it. So you're gonna see things that

1:52:47 Speaker 5: are reminiscent of the actual program, and then you're gonna

1:52:50 Speaker 5: see a lot of imagination in between us. And of

1:52:53 Speaker 5: course that's the continuity that they needed to create the show.

1:52:56 Speaker 5: That's all fine, and well, what we do know is

1:53:00 Speaker 5: that the downfall of the Montalk project happened because it

1:53:06 Speaker 5: was subverted on purpose. And this was, you know, an

1:53:10 Speaker 5: idea allegedly between Preston Duncan and al So Duncan being

1:53:14 Speaker 5: the chief psychic, he was the one usually sitting in

1:53:16 Speaker 5: the chair and they programmed him in secret to have

1:53:21 Speaker 5: a key phrase which would ignite something very devastating for

1:53:26 Speaker 5: the entire base. And that phrase was the time is

1:53:29 Speaker 5: Now is actually the title of my second docum documentary

1:53:34 Speaker 5: on Montalk and what happened The Time is Now okay.

1:53:39 Speaker 5: So once this was whispered in Duncan's ear when he

1:53:41 Speaker 5: was in meditation in that chair. The idea was in

1:53:45 Speaker 5: the deepest recesses of his being, the darkest part of him,

1:53:49 Speaker 5: he would bring to manifestation and it would. The idea

1:53:52 Speaker 5: was that this this energy would form underground and smash

1:53:56 Speaker 5: everything in the base. Well it did appear, but it

1:54:00 Speaker 5: appeared above ground and started smashing everything on the base,

1:54:03 Speaker 5: killing people, smashing buildings. You can actually see old photographs

1:54:07 Speaker 5: of these, like utility shocks that looked like a hand

1:54:10 Speaker 5: came down smashed them. They're splayed like a force came

1:54:13 Speaker 5: from above. Because they named this energy Junior, because it

1:54:18 Speaker 5: was a shadow being of sort. Some people described it

1:54:22 Speaker 5: as eight to fifteen feet tall, and they're actually photos

1:54:26 Speaker 5: of this thing walking around Campiro when it was on

1:54:28 Speaker 5: its rampage. When this occurred, the entire system went down.

1:54:34 Speaker 5: Everybody vacated within a day. There was not a soul

1:54:37 Speaker 5: left on the base. In fact, they sent green berets

1:54:40 Speaker 5: in there to shoot anything that moved after the fact.

1:54:42 Speaker 5: So they went in there and they swept, okay, all

1:54:45 Speaker 5: through the underground. Right, Junior's still there. He's still at Campiro.

1:54:51 Speaker 5: I've felt the presence standing in the places I've seen

1:54:53 Speaker 5: where he was in the pictures. He's still there. If

1:54:56 Speaker 5: you film, you might catch him. He's very static. He

1:54:59 Speaker 5: doesn't move, just be standing one place, but he's there.

1:55:03 Speaker 5: You can't put him back. It was a product of

1:55:05 Speaker 5: Duncan's subconscious mind. And Duncan's no longer with us, So

1:55:08 Speaker 5: that creature pulled out of whatever Duncan manifested is always

1:55:13 Speaker 5: going to be in that Locationea, they do it. Yeah,

1:55:17 Speaker 5: So to kind of answer your question of you know,

1:55:19 Speaker 5: stranger things, you know, is the way that we can

1:55:21 Speaker 5: open up and the creatures come out. There's the idea.

1:55:24 Speaker 5: And yes, they were doing this, I mean because a

1:55:26 Speaker 5: lot of these kids were being pushed into wormholes to

1:55:28 Speaker 5: see if they come back. Sometimes they did, sometimes it didn't.

1:55:31 Speaker 5: Sometimes they were caught captured and there was a ransom.

1:55:34 Speaker 5: Maybe they were brought back, maybe they weren't.

1:55:37 Speaker 3: Uh, But you.

1:55:38 Speaker 2: Gotta think, is that what hell was you know, inspired

1:55:46 Speaker 2: by like if our if if someone had been dealing

1:55:52 Speaker 2: with that prior to Montak, which I kind of think probably,

1:55:58 Speaker 2: you know, if beings are catching people that are thrown

1:56:06 Speaker 2: down wormholes into the.

1:56:08 Speaker 3: Abyss and then some beings holding a ransom on you.

1:56:13 Speaker 5: Yeah, they'd ask, you know, we want this technology that

1:56:16 Speaker 5: you're using to do what you're doing, so give that

1:56:18 Speaker 5: to us and we'll give you back the kid.

1:56:19 Speaker 3: Right.

1:56:20 Speaker 5: Sometimes the wager was good, sometimes it wasn't. So they

1:56:23 Speaker 5: were like, you can keep the kid, you can keep them,

1:56:26 Speaker 5: and god knows what would happen. I mean, there were

1:56:27 Speaker 5: people that.

1:56:28 Speaker 3: What is the connection? I'm sorry God, no, no, no,

1:56:30 Speaker 3: because I'm gonna take you to a left.

1:56:32 Speaker 5: Long story short, there were kids that would go in

1:56:34 Speaker 5: there and they'd get lost, so they'd find themselves just

1:56:38 Speaker 5: drifting and avoid somewhere with no return. So they're interdimensional

1:56:42 Speaker 5: at that point, and somehow they've brought their body. I mean,

1:56:45 Speaker 5: we can talk about how that works, because there have

1:56:47 Speaker 5: been people who transcend this reality that we have notated

1:56:50 Speaker 5: in history. They do it a different way, but you know,

1:56:53 Speaker 5: they could get stuck down a quarter in this time

1:56:56 Speaker 5: traveling adventure, never to find that zero point again and

1:57:01 Speaker 5: never be able to come back this way. There are

1:57:03 Speaker 5: a lot of souls that are still stuck at Camp

1:57:05 Speaker 5: Hero because they're kind of in between and they don't

1:57:09 Speaker 5: know what they're doing. So what I'd like to do

1:57:11 Speaker 5: going forward with the people that I work with is

1:57:13 Speaker 5: come and try to release some of those souls that

1:57:15 Speaker 5: want to go.

1:57:16 Speaker 3: How would you do that?

1:57:18 Speaker 5: So I have done this before, but it's not something that.

1:57:21 Speaker 3: I through mediumship.

1:57:23 Speaker 5: Yeah, that I look towards personally, but I have people

1:57:27 Speaker 5: who that's what their vocation is, that's what they do.

1:57:30 Speaker 5: They go to these places and they release those souls,

1:57:32 Speaker 5: and a lot of times they'll bring equipment along to

1:57:34 Speaker 5: kind of verify that this is happening. So, for example,

1:57:37 Speaker 5: somebody will walk into a location say all right, if

1:57:40 Speaker 5: you're here and you want to move forward, come over

1:57:43 Speaker 5: to my device and say my name. Next thing, you know,

1:57:46 Speaker 5: you hear Thomas Thomas, Thomas Thomas, all these different voices

1:57:50 Speaker 5: coming out of the boys box, you know what I mean.

1:57:53 Speaker 5: And once they're there, you can feel them too. When

1:57:55 Speaker 5: you're in that environment, you can feel them. It's unmistakable.

1:57:59 Speaker 5: But long story short, he'll do his process. Next thing,

1:58:02 Speaker 5: you know, the air just clears and they're gone.

1:58:06 Speaker 2: Maybe we can And the reason I'm flipping the camera

1:58:10 Speaker 2: is maybe we could send uh. So my producers literally

1:58:14 Speaker 2: wearing He showed up today in as.

1:58:24 Speaker 3: Can you tell us a little bit more.

1:58:26 Speaker 5: Oh that's about it.

1:58:29 Speaker 3: You you came here to banish a ghost.

1:58:34 Speaker 7: Ty has has been discussed that Ty has a an

1:58:38 Speaker 7: entity problem here.

1:58:40 Speaker 8: I think the one night Needo came.

1:58:42 Speaker 9: I was certainly attacked, Yes, knocked me out for two hours,

1:58:47 Speaker 9: like perfectly fine.

1:58:48 Speaker 7: Picked Veno up friend of ours brought him here.

1:58:52 Speaker 8: As he tells the story, it's like, walked upstairs.

1:58:54 Speaker 7: I turned gray, and then I'm like, I'm gonna lay down,

1:58:58 Speaker 7: and I went.

1:58:58 Speaker 3: To lay down and.

1:59:01 Speaker 8: Take their episode.

1:59:02 Speaker 7: The dog was walking on his back, standing up on

1:59:06 Speaker 7: his back legs, walking towards this way.

1:59:09 Speaker 9: And then last night Vito challenged it.

1:59:14 Speaker 8: Online as we were live and something passed.

1:59:22 Speaker 3: I'll show him the video. I'll put the Yeah, I'll

1:59:31 Speaker 3: put the video on. I'll put the video on the

1:59:34 Speaker 3: screen right now. But okay, so.

1:59:41 Speaker 2: Essentially what happened last night we were doing a live

1:59:44 Speaker 2: show about the President commuting the NDAs for people for whistleblowers,

1:59:50 Speaker 2: and so our buddy that was on the show, he

1:59:55 Speaker 2: like puts out this like challenge. But by the way,

1:59:58 Speaker 2: I had headphones on. There was no words that could

2:00:01 Speaker 2: be heard in here, Like it was all coming through

2:00:04 Speaker 2: my headphones.

2:00:06 Speaker 5: And.

2:00:09 Speaker 2: He said start he mentions like make the lights flicker

2:00:16 Speaker 2: or something, and then like it's hard to believe, but

2:00:20 Speaker 2: I'll even timestamp the actual clip that I'm gonna put

2:00:23 Speaker 2: up because it goes through the whole scenario of him

2:00:26 Speaker 2: challenging it and then it actually happening but behind me.

2:00:32 Speaker 5: So I should sorry, Ma, So just just.

2:00:38 Speaker 2: Rewind that and watch it through, because essentially what happens

2:00:41 Speaker 2: is the light right there starts to go in and out,

2:00:47 Speaker 2: and I felt something behind me because my chair is

2:00:50 Speaker 2: right there, and I feel something behind me.

2:00:53 Speaker 3: So I look behind me, and no one had noticed

2:00:56 Speaker 3: by this time, no one knew that it was the

2:00:59 Speaker 3: no you see the light? Yeah, so we have no

2:01:04 Speaker 3: idea what it is.

2:01:07 Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you coming upstairs as we were

2:01:11 Speaker 5: getting ready to do what we're doing. Now, you know,

2:01:14 Speaker 5: he had mentioned a little bit of the story, and

2:01:16 Speaker 5: so I come in here with my fuelers on. I

2:01:18 Speaker 5: don't feel anything in here. It doesn't mean that there's

2:01:19 Speaker 5: not anything in here right now. There might be, but

2:01:22 Speaker 5: generally if there's something really.

2:01:23 Speaker 3: Heavy because the archbishopshire.

2:01:25 Speaker 5: Something bad, I mean, I'm gonna feel that coming in.

2:01:28 Speaker 5: But maybe you did excel it in some way.

2:01:31 Speaker 2: Well, we've had other people here that because like I

2:01:35 Speaker 2: was actually saying in the clip, the full clip, I

2:01:39 Speaker 2: was actually saying, how it's been pretty dormant, like things

2:01:42 Speaker 2: have calmed down ever since we brought some.

2:01:45 Speaker 3: People in and did this aging and because we did

2:01:47 Speaker 3: all that. But as soon as Veto challenged it, all

2:01:53 Speaker 3: of a sudden, I'm like, what the hell, what's behind me?

2:01:57 Speaker 2: Yeah it is, and then it just again. I came

2:01:59 Speaker 2: up here again this morning and it's light again. O.

2:02:05 Speaker 3: It's weird. It's weird.

2:02:07 Speaker 2: But we had one of the guys that used to

2:02:09 Speaker 2: live in the other apartment down there. He said that

2:02:13 Speaker 2: this whole he's like, this whole house is it's like

2:02:19 Speaker 2: a bus stop with people things going.

2:02:22 Speaker 3: In and out. So that's how he described it. No,

2:02:26 Speaker 3: I haven't, but.

2:02:30 Speaker 2: So sorry for that cutaway, guys, but I thought that

2:02:35 Speaker 2: was funny. Have you what are this species like? Because

2:02:48 Speaker 2: doctor Eric Davis is you know, famously eating salad and

2:02:52 Speaker 2: telling uh, the world of Congress that there is like

2:02:58 Speaker 2: six to eight species any you know, Reptilians, grays are

2:03:04 Speaker 2: the what are the what's going on with this galactic war?

2:03:08 Speaker 2: Because guys like high messed have talked about this galactic federation, right,

2:03:13 Speaker 2: so he's the equivalent of like this NASA director, But

2:03:18 Speaker 2: the Israeli Space Force is you know, more in tune

2:03:25 Speaker 2: with their military just because that's how they run their stuff, right,

2:03:29 Speaker 2: Everyone serves everyone all that, right, So he's like the

2:03:35 Speaker 2: equivalent of the NASA director, but also like kind of

2:03:38 Speaker 2: like the Space Force, like Rep Communion whatever High Messid.

2:03:44 Speaker 3: Says that there's a galactic federation.

2:03:46 Speaker 2: Other people have said this before we talked about the

2:03:48 Speaker 2: Space program, Secret Space Program, all of this stuff being said,

2:03:51 Speaker 2: you had mentioned that there's this cosmic conflict.

2:03:58 Speaker 5: Tell me more so as far as I understand, and

2:04:01 Speaker 5: I wish Ashad had said more than what he has.

2:04:04 Speaker 3: Well, he just recently reappeared.

2:04:05 Speaker 5: I haven't seen anything he's done recently, but you know,

2:04:08 Speaker 5: when he first made that statement, it was winded and

2:04:11 Speaker 5: we needed a little bit more than that, but it

2:04:13 Speaker 5: was still a glimpse into, you know, obviously something we

2:04:15 Speaker 5: can talk about today. So what I'm gonna say is

2:04:21 Speaker 5: that anything I know about this I've learned from other sources.

2:04:24 Speaker 5: I have not had any experiences myself. I've had Secret

2:04:27 Speaker 5: Space Program participants come up to me and say, I

2:04:30 Speaker 5: remember you from this fucking program. I remember you from there,

2:04:33 Speaker 5: and I don't remember any of that. So maybe that

2:04:36 Speaker 5: is possible that there were a handful of us that

2:04:39 Speaker 5: really did participate in the secret space program and we

2:04:41 Speaker 5: just don't recall it, or we're doing it now. I

2:04:43 Speaker 5: don't know, there's a possibility that that is something to

2:04:46 Speaker 5: look at. But apparently this galactic war or whatever's going

2:04:51 Speaker 5: on is really a conflict with the Draconian species. And

2:04:57 Speaker 5: what's the other one with Draco's and I'll think of

2:05:02 Speaker 5: the other one. It's another malevolent species that at any

2:05:06 Speaker 5: chance has tried to take over the planet. Now there

2:05:08 Speaker 5: are measures that won't allow them to take over the planet.

2:05:13 Speaker 5: I think the last time they tried was nineteen ninety two.

2:05:19 Speaker 5: I want to say maybe it was a little bit earlier.

2:05:20 Speaker 5: Then there's a whole story on how we got rid

2:05:22 Speaker 5: of them and whatever. But long story short, I'm not

2:05:27 Speaker 5: sure the actual aim or the intention other than just

2:05:31 Speaker 5: to take back a planet, you know, because this isn't

2:05:34 Speaker 5: our planet. We don't own it. Yes, we seem like

2:05:38 Speaker 5: we've originated here as far as we can tell, and

2:05:40 Speaker 5: yes we do have you know, obviously certain minerals and

2:05:43 Speaker 5: so forth that we share with the Earth because we

2:05:45 Speaker 5: were made out of those minerals, right initially.

2:05:48 Speaker 3: But also everything in the universe is yes, I.

2:05:50 Speaker 5: Mean, God, we can find some of the same elements

2:05:53 Speaker 5: that we have in our bodies and commets, yeah, I mean,

2:05:55 Speaker 5: or meteors.

2:05:56 Speaker 3: Like hydrogen, like these are common things.

2:05:59 Speaker 5: Yes, very much. But again, you have to have some

2:06:02 Speaker 5: sort of architecture to put anything together. You have to

2:06:03 Speaker 5: have material in order to create something, So you grab

2:06:06 Speaker 5: whatever you can from the environment. And this is why

2:06:08 Speaker 5: we went the Mammalion route. So they took DNA from

2:06:11 Speaker 5: you know, let's say an ape, and they instill that

2:06:13 Speaker 5: in us. If they had taken it from an insect,

2:06:15 Speaker 5: we could look insectoid or we could look like any

2:06:18 Speaker 5: fair enough. And that's why these different species look different

2:06:22 Speaker 5: and you know, resemble lizards or insects or spiders or

2:06:25 Speaker 5: whatever the case may be. Like, yeah, that's the only difference.

2:06:32 Speaker 5: So you know, when you want to talk about how

2:06:34 Speaker 5: many species are out there, this is very subjective. I

2:06:37 Speaker 5: think it sits in the realm of conjecture, conjecture specifically,

2:06:42 Speaker 5: but a lot of what we find in like ancient

2:06:45 Speaker 5: texts and you talk about Sumerians and so forth, we

2:06:48 Speaker 5: find that there's again maybe six or eight that actually

2:06:51 Speaker 5: created us, and then upwards of maybe twenty that we

2:06:54 Speaker 5: have contact with. It might be a little less than that,

2:06:57 Speaker 5: but that's, you know, the roundabout number that I've been given.

2:07:02 Speaker 5: But then you talk about the Nazis, and there's this

2:07:04 Speaker 5: whole idea that Nazis went into space and that they're

2:07:07 Speaker 5: a big catalyst for this violence and whatever. I don't know.

2:07:11 Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, I'm very open minded when

2:07:14 Speaker 5: it comes to this stuff. I just need more from it.

2:07:16 Speaker 5: But when I start hearing these upper level officers talking

2:07:24 Speaker 5: dead straight pan face about yes, we're doing this, this

2:07:27 Speaker 5: has been happening. Here are some of the species, and

2:07:29 Speaker 5: yes we have entire fleets of you know, these vessels

2:07:33 Speaker 5: that are out there, they are cloaked. Sometimes they're not

2:07:35 Speaker 5: cloaked because you know, eighty percent of what we see

2:07:37 Speaker 5: in the sky is ours, Yeah, including the TR three B,

2:07:41 Speaker 5: which I've seen in person, as many people have had

2:07:44 Speaker 5: that experience. And the other twenty percent I've been told

2:07:48 Speaker 5: is actually an extraterrestrial something off world the way we

2:07:51 Speaker 5: would define it. But we only see them because there's

2:07:54 Speaker 5: maybe a malfunction in that cloaking or somebody made an

2:07:57 Speaker 5: error at that moment, because they can still make mistakes too.

2:08:00 Speaker 5: It's not like they're angels and perfect or whatever the

2:08:02 Speaker 5: case may be. They're not this celestial being that you know,

2:08:06 Speaker 5: doesn't still have a physical experience in some way.

2:08:08 Speaker 3: Shape or for right, problems happen.

2:08:11 Speaker 5: Yeah, like you across any species, you know what I mean.

2:08:14 Speaker 2: Right, you could argue, like, what do you think these

2:08:19 Speaker 2: crashes are? Do you think that potentially we're bringing them

2:08:23 Speaker 2: down and then like letting everyone believe it's a crash.

2:08:28 Speaker 5: Sometimes it's that's exactly the case. We're shooting them down.

2:08:32 Speaker 2: With like directed energy weapons, which are have just been

2:08:34 Speaker 2: confirmed as a reality, and guys like Eric Hecker who

2:08:37 Speaker 2: have been getting ship for a long time have been

2:08:41 Speaker 2: saying this, that there are directed energy weapons out there

2:08:44 Speaker 2: and that we.

2:08:46 Speaker 3: We have them and that we're actively using them.

2:08:50 Speaker 6: Not ha.

2:08:51 Speaker 2: Havana syndrome is Yeah, it's that's that's like a consequence

2:08:58 Speaker 2: of being targeted.

2:09:00 Speaker 5: And it's just an example of what you're talking.

2:09:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a smaller version of example.

2:09:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's this idea of using directed energy weapons

2:09:08 Speaker 2: to bring these craft down, and also like psionic assets

2:09:13 Speaker 2: that like will attempt to re establish control of the

2:09:20 Speaker 2: actual craft so that it will crash with the least amount.

2:09:24 Speaker 2: So like you take the driver out and then you

2:09:26 Speaker 2: try to hijack the actual craft for a minimal damage

2:09:33 Speaker 2: crash crash landing, right, because that's all landing is anyway,

2:09:37 Speaker 2: it's just controlled crash, right, So they try to That's

2:09:42 Speaker 2: at least what's going around now. I find it weird

2:09:44 Speaker 2: that like the very nuts and bolts people like that

2:09:49 Speaker 2: started nuts and bolts, like Ross Coltart and all these guys,

2:09:53 Speaker 2: they now all sound like doctor career and Fox News

2:09:57 Speaker 2: sounds like coast to.

2:09:57 Speaker 5: Coast, right, It's interesting to see that development.

2:10:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's like this new dichotomy that's like birth,

2:10:05 Speaker 2: this new industry been birth. But with that becomes this pursuit.

2:10:12 Speaker 3: This, as Gene famous for me famously.

2:10:16 Speaker 2: Said, is this idea of the monetization of the pursuit

2:10:21 Speaker 2: of truth. So with just as much awesome stuff that

2:10:26 Speaker 2: we get to like talk about now and like the

2:10:30 Speaker 2: conversation is opening up, we also have to be just

2:10:34 Speaker 2: like even more guarded for people coming in and being Charlatans.

2:10:38 Speaker 5: Absolutely because if you're hungry for that type of knowledge and information,

2:10:43 Speaker 5: as soon as it starts rolling out and becomes more

2:10:44 Speaker 5: of an accepted narrative, I mean, people are latching onto

2:10:47 Speaker 5: it but not doing the homework to you know, identify

2:10:50 Speaker 5: what's more truth and what's not. I see this happen

2:10:53 Speaker 5: all the time. Somebody online will come up with some idea.

2:10:56 Speaker 5: It's usually a theory. They speak about it as fact.

2:10:59 Speaker 5: A whole bunch of people go, oh, that's a fact,

2:11:01 Speaker 5: and next thing you know, you have an entire community

2:11:03 Speaker 5: believing something that was contrived because nobody wants to do

2:11:06 Speaker 5: the whomework to actually verify what's being said. They'll just

2:11:09 Speaker 5: look at the person and say, Okay, that sounds good,

2:11:11 Speaker 5: that sounds right, right, I just believe that you know.

2:11:14 Speaker 5: So again, keeping critical thinking.

2:11:17 Speaker 3: And you pulled that in yep.

2:11:18 Speaker 5: Sorry. Having critical thinking and analysis at your helm is

2:11:23 Speaker 5: the best thing that you can do for yourself in

2:11:25 Speaker 5: uncovering what truth we need to know now, because they're

2:11:28 Speaker 5: going to be falsities, They're going to be misdirections that

2:11:31 Speaker 5: are given to us on purpose to continue to lead

2:11:34 Speaker 5: us astray and give them a little bit more time

2:11:36 Speaker 5: before the actual truth does eventually come out. Now, when

2:11:39 Speaker 5: we were going up, I don't know exactly how old

2:11:41 Speaker 5: you are, but I have feeling you're probably close to

2:11:42 Speaker 5: my age. Thirty three, thirty three, all right, I'm forty four,

2:11:45 Speaker 5: so round about okay. You couldn't watch any television program

2:11:51 Speaker 5: and have them say a cuss word like say hew

2:11:54 Speaker 5: or damn. Like remember when Beavis and Butt it came out. Yeah,

2:11:56 Speaker 5: you know, that was a big deal because they were

2:11:58 Speaker 5: using softer curse words and so forth. But they're much

2:12:00 Speaker 5: kind of working into it today. I could be on

2:12:04 Speaker 5: Facebook and I see a commercial for like Rise Mushroom coffee.

2:12:09 Speaker 5: They're dropping every F bomb that they can think of

2:12:11 Speaker 5: in there. I'm like, what the fuck changed that all

2:12:15 Speaker 5: of this is now accepted? You know again, going back

2:12:17 Speaker 5: to my thought on YouTube, you know, where I was

2:12:19 Speaker 5: still getting my news from the newspaper or going you know,

2:12:22 Speaker 5: on the television, watching the evening news. Nope, people all

2:12:25 Speaker 5: went into this other platform, and now they're digesting it

2:12:28 Speaker 5: the way they want to, when they want to, and

2:12:29 Speaker 5: how they want to.

2:12:30 Speaker 3: So you're not even getting the news. Now you're getting

2:12:34 Speaker 3: your news.

2:12:34 Speaker 5: You're getting your news.

2:12:35 Speaker 3: It's tailored to you. And that's scary and control mechanism.

2:12:40 Speaker 5: It very much is. And there are some people who

2:12:42 Speaker 5: are aware of this and other people who just don't

2:12:44 Speaker 5: care and are more than happy to just go about

2:12:46 Speaker 5: their lives and allow this to unfold.

2:12:48 Speaker 3: Uh.

2:12:49 Speaker 5: You know, complicity in this case could get us killed

2:12:53 Speaker 5: as as an entire species complacency. Sorry, complacency's but you

2:13:01 Speaker 5: know that being said, you know I can open up

2:13:06 Speaker 5: my feed now and you know that the top headline

2:13:08 Speaker 5: is going to be about the congressional hearings on UFOs,

2:13:10 Speaker 5: and they're gonna be reporters that are digging deeper into

2:13:13 Speaker 5: this and bringing out more to contemplate into the public

2:13:16 Speaker 5: eye than you know people would normally go and look

2:13:19 Speaker 5: for on their own. So something's happening here where again,

2:13:24 Speaker 5: you and I can sit and have this conversation and

2:13:25 Speaker 5: I don't have to worry about, you know, losing my

2:13:27 Speaker 5: job tomorrow, or being disowned by family members or whatever

2:13:30 Speaker 5: the case may be, losing friends. And this isn't just

2:13:34 Speaker 5: you and I, this is everybody. So you're gonna have

2:13:36 Speaker 5: people come out say, well, I hadn't experienced sixty years ago.

2:13:39 Speaker 5: I never sold I never told anybody about because I

2:13:41 Speaker 5: feel safe to do it now everybody's talking about this shite.

2:13:44 Speaker 5: So but again, with that flood of information that is

2:13:49 Speaker 5: being bestowed upon us at this time, like you said,

2:13:51 Speaker 5: it's it's important to be that much more guarded. And

2:13:56 Speaker 5: again I would just add that you have to do

2:13:58 Speaker 5: your research to verify what people are saying before you

2:14:01 Speaker 5: take complete stock in it.

2:14:03 Speaker 2: Again, rolling back as we wrap up, rolling back to

2:14:08 Speaker 2: what we originally kind of talked about, and I would

2:14:11 Speaker 2: love to have you back again. Man, you're such a

2:14:14 Speaker 2: person that like I could just riff with hours.

2:14:18 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, you're amazing.

2:14:21 Speaker 2: So rolling back to this idea of like direct apprehension,

2:14:25 Speaker 2: they're willing to just hear it and not go looking

2:14:30 Speaker 2: for there. They're not going to open the window and

2:14:33 Speaker 2: see that it's raining for themselves. They're just going to

2:14:35 Speaker 2: take your word that it's raining. Right, That's what we're

2:14:38 Speaker 2: getting in complacency in that regard when it comes to

2:14:42 Speaker 2: these very very existential threats to our civilization like AI

2:14:49 Speaker 2: and this, like we have to be on the ball,

2:14:55 Speaker 2: we have to be united, we have to be like

2:15:00 Speaker 2: we're consistently putting ourselves in these boxes black white, gay

2:15:06 Speaker 2: all but it's like based on our sexuality, our gender,

2:15:10 Speaker 2: our our our skin color, our religious beliefs, Like we

2:15:17 Speaker 2: love to just sequester ourselves.

2:15:19 Speaker 3: Into these boxes.

2:15:20 Speaker 5: And I honestly don't. I don't know why people give

2:15:22 Speaker 5: a fuck me.

2:15:23 Speaker 2: I don't either, why Because if there's nothing a hunited

2:15:28 Speaker 2: humanity could not do.

2:15:30 Speaker 3: Right, it's the Tower babble.

2:15:33 Speaker 2: When we got too close, we're struck down and separated, right,

2:15:39 Speaker 2: And I think that's one of our problems, is whether

2:15:42 Speaker 2: that's allegory or you know, or or parable or you

2:15:49 Speaker 2: know or metaphor. The theme of it makes total sense.

2:15:57 Speaker 2: You know, a unite did human race. The sky's the limit, right,

2:16:05 Speaker 2: there's nothing we couldn't achieve. But while we're pointing the

2:16:09 Speaker 2: finger at you and I or each other, we're too

2:16:13 Speaker 2: busy fighting and infighting.

2:16:15 Speaker 3: And it happens.

2:16:15 Speaker 2: You see it in the Star Wars community, right, like

2:16:20 Speaker 2: to that level. You see these factions in the UFO community.

2:16:25 Speaker 2: There's these factions. Shit, there's people in the paranormal world

2:16:28 Speaker 2: that don't like the UFO people, and it's like, guys,

2:16:31 Speaker 2: what the fuck are we doing?

2:16:32 Speaker 5: Too much? You know, I've seen more drama in the

2:16:36 Speaker 5: paranormal world recently than I ever would have imagined I

2:16:39 Speaker 5: would ever come across. I'm out of it. I have

2:16:41 Speaker 5: nothing to do with it. But I know the people

2:16:43 Speaker 5: that are involved or have been involved in one way

2:16:45 Speaker 5: or another. And this person's angry at that person and

2:16:48 Speaker 5: that bah blah blah blah. It goes back. It's so petty.

2:16:50 Speaker 5: It's so petty. At the very end of the day,

2:16:52 Speaker 5: what are we all doing. We're all doing the same thing.

2:16:54 Speaker 5: Just get in line, be united the way you're saying.

2:16:57 Speaker 5: And it makes more sense to you know, further our

2:17:01 Speaker 5: field of research and intellect to be united in this sets. Look,

2:17:05 Speaker 5: we don't all have to have the same opinion. That's

2:17:07 Speaker 5: not what it's about. It's just take care of each

2:17:09 Speaker 5: other the way that you would take care of yourself.

2:17:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you disagree, shake hands at the end

2:17:15 Speaker 2: of the day and say, you know what, I respect

2:17:19 Speaker 2: that you have that opinion.

2:17:21 Speaker 3: Unfortunately I don't, but I'm glad we had, you know.

2:17:26 Speaker 2: It's it's it's now gotten to this point where it's

2:17:28 Speaker 2: like if you're if you're not with me, you're my enemy.

2:17:33 Speaker 5: You're against me.

2:17:35 Speaker 2: With such the wrong mentality, you know, And like I

2:17:40 Speaker 2: liken it to like the way I grew up, and

2:17:42 Speaker 2: probably the way you grew up, and probably the way

2:17:44 Speaker 2: Jean grew up. Where it was that that saying came,

2:17:48 Speaker 2: it was like, it takes a village, right.

2:17:50 Speaker 3: I used to be able to walk into a neighbor's house.

2:17:55 Speaker 3: The mom be cooking dinner. I'd walk in, walk right

2:17:59 Speaker 3: up the stairs, bat an eye.

2:18:01 Speaker 5: Nope, right, might not hey, te hey, what's going on?

2:18:06 Speaker 3: Even with us like stuff like that. It took a village.

2:18:10 Speaker 3: Now you don't know your neighbors. No one knows their neighbors.

2:18:13 Speaker 2: No, it's completely because we're scared of we're scared of

2:18:17 Speaker 2: each other.

2:18:18 Speaker 3: Now we're scared because we don't we don't want conflict,

2:18:21 Speaker 3: and we.

2:18:21 Speaker 2: Don't we we naturally our default setting is that there

2:18:26 Speaker 2: could be conflicts.

2:18:27 Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna avoid it at all costs.

2:18:30 Speaker 2: Right, So we've been conditioned, and it's and I've seen it.

2:18:34 Speaker 2: You saw it start with like nine to eleven. And

2:18:37 Speaker 2: then with with the flu.

2:18:41 Speaker 3: We can't say the word because we'll get to monetize.

2:18:44 Speaker 5: But with the flu, take that. I said it earlier

2:18:47 Speaker 5: to make sure you take that.

2:18:48 Speaker 3: Did you say it?

2:18:49 Speaker 5: I did as I was referring to a time. This

2:18:51 Speaker 5: is early in the interview, so it's probably within the

2:18:53 Speaker 5: first like twenty minutes.

2:18:54 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll go, I'll get it.

2:18:58 Speaker 2: Where they tighten the grip, the tight the vices and

2:19:00 Speaker 2: now you're seeing these flock cameras pop up everywhere. Yes, right,

2:19:04 Speaker 2: and this is a level of digital surveillance now that's unhithered,

2:19:08 Speaker 2: and it's it's never been seen before. And I'm sorry,

2:19:14 Speaker 2: it has been seen before in fucking China, right in

2:19:19 Speaker 2: China where they have a social fucking credit score, and

2:19:24 Speaker 2: if you bad mount the government, they lock your money

2:19:27 Speaker 2: and you can't leave the country and you might go

2:19:30 Speaker 2: missing in an alley.

2:19:32 Speaker 3: Right, come on, guys.

2:19:35 Speaker 2: Are we gonna let ourselves go down this road? Because

2:19:37 Speaker 2: if we do, and if we can become complacent. And

2:19:40 Speaker 2: I don't mean to make this political, but there's a

2:19:42 Speaker 2: roundabout way. People voices, independent voices like yours. What you're

2:19:48 Speaker 2: doing where you're putting films out, you're putting this independent

2:19:55 Speaker 2: Like the core message to like a lot of what

2:19:59 Speaker 2: we are talking about is, like you said, disclosure will

2:20:03 Speaker 2: come from within. We some it's okay to look out

2:20:08 Speaker 2: and look up and wonder what's out there, but you also.

2:20:12 Speaker 3: Have to look in.

2:20:14 Speaker 5: Well. People don't realize. Not to cut you off, but

2:20:16 Speaker 5: just no, you're not quit. Well know you're out. Your

2:20:21 Speaker 5: exterior world is a reflection of your inner world. And yes,

2:20:23 Speaker 5: we share common experiences, and you know we have consensus

2:20:27 Speaker 5: about certain things. This is a desk, that's a dog,

2:20:29 Speaker 5: but there's still a reflection dog. There's a manifestation of

2:20:33 Speaker 5: this reality coming from you, happening in real time, and

2:20:36 Speaker 5: everybody's doing it. And we're collectively creating this reality together

2:20:40 Speaker 5: as well. So there's an individual creation and there's a

2:20:43 Speaker 5: collective creation. Before we run out of time, there is

2:20:47 Speaker 5: something I wanted to show you. How are your what

2:20:52 Speaker 5: are your thoughts on? What's the word that sigmatics? What

2:20:58 Speaker 5: the hell is it? Psionics? No, not psionics? Where you're

2:21:03 Speaker 5: holding an object in your hand, like, tell it it's

2:21:08 Speaker 5: something with anyway, what was it?

2:21:13 Speaker 3: Spoon bending?

2:21:14 Speaker 5: I don't see ry yella here, but anyway, I'll think

2:21:18 Speaker 5: of the word. I just had it on my tongue

2:21:20 Speaker 5: and anyway, yes, thank you. I think that's what I'm

2:21:24 Speaker 5: looking for right there.

2:21:25 Speaker 3: Oh my god, are you're about to demonstrate.

2:21:27 Speaker 5: Well no, I'm actually going to give you something to hold.

2:21:29 Speaker 3: Oh shit, all right, should we go tight for this?

2:21:37 Speaker 3: What is this?

2:21:38 Speaker 5: I'm not gonna tell you yet. You just feel it

2:21:40 Speaker 5: and tell me if you get anything off of it.

2:21:44 Speaker 3: Just feel it.

2:21:45 Speaker 5: Just hold in your hand. Do you get anything off

2:21:47 Speaker 5: of it? Does it get warm? Do you feel weird

2:21:48 Speaker 5: in your chest? Do you get any buzziness in your head?

2:21:50 Speaker 5: Anything like that? Come, Dian, I can't think of that

2:21:54 Speaker 5: fucking word psychometry right there?

2:22:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you got? It's like this. I can't

2:22:26 Speaker 3: quite explain it. It's like a vibration, but it's like

2:22:33 Speaker 3: in my head and it's I can feel like reverberating

2:22:41 Speaker 3: through my It's like giving It's almost like lightheadedness.

2:22:46 Speaker 5: What is that in your hand?

2:22:48 Speaker 3: What the fuck is it?

2:22:50 Speaker 5: You hold material that ran every frequency used in the

2:22:56 Speaker 5: Montalk project. That's from the Sage radar tower. There are

2:23:00 Speaker 5: people I've given this to who cannot hold it. There

2:23:02 Speaker 5: are people that have held it who have pacemakers, and

2:23:05 Speaker 5: the pacemaker starts going nuts because their heart rate is

2:23:08 Speaker 5: skyrocketing and the pacemaker's trying to bring it back down.

2:23:10 Speaker 5: They put it down, it stops immediately, they pick it

2:23:13 Speaker 5: up begins again. When I was doing the second documentary

2:23:16 Speaker 5: on Montalk. I wanted to have a segment where I'd

2:23:18 Speaker 5: have a psychic come in in a psychotronic sense, hold this,

2:23:22 Speaker 5: and I would record the segment the way I just

2:23:23 Speaker 5: did with you. Okay, not initially telling them what it was.

2:23:26 Speaker 5: I sent out emails, I made phone calls, spoke to

2:23:29 Speaker 5: about twenty different clairvoyants. Every single one of them declined

2:23:34 Speaker 5: to have anything to do with that piece, and in

2:23:35 Speaker 5: most cases they would remote view at first, and then

2:23:38 Speaker 5: they start cussing me out, asking me why I ever

2:23:40 Speaker 5: had the audacity to bring this object so close to

2:23:43 Speaker 5: them in one way or another. I only had one

2:23:46 Speaker 5: person who eventually agreed to do it, and I didn't

2:23:48 Speaker 5: follow up on it. I could still do it today.

2:23:49 Speaker 5: But that being said, that's how powerful this shit is.

2:23:52 Speaker 3: I'm like very lightheaded right now.

2:23:55 Speaker 5: I want to try it.

2:23:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like very lightheaded right now.

2:24:00 Speaker 2: Like like it's almost like I'm seeing an HD.

2:24:06 Speaker 5: People have these experiences that you're recording right now.

2:24:10 Speaker 3: This is fucking incredible. Wait wait wait wait wait wait.

2:24:16 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah I thought that in my head right away.

2:24:24 Speaker 5: Yell, let's not do that, you know what, you know,

2:24:27 Speaker 5: what's funny.

2:24:28 Speaker 8: As soon as I touched this part here, it's very

2:24:31 Speaker 8: warm and I feel a chill like up the back.

2:24:36 Speaker 3: I like immediately got like this, like.

2:24:40 Speaker 2: I don't want to spoil your It's like I'm seeing

2:24:43 Speaker 2: an HD right now.

2:24:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like a tingling.

2:24:51 Speaker 3: Close your eyes and like just feel.

2:24:53 Speaker 8: I tell you, that's why I grab you.

2:24:55 Speaker 10: I just took it.

2:24:56 Speaker 7: I put it in my hand and and I'm holding this.

2:25:01 Speaker 10: And holding this part this lower this lower right part.

2:25:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fucking like this is the most.

2:25:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, sit with it for a few minutes because all

2:25:15 Speaker 2: because the longer I sat with it, the more comfortable

2:25:18 Speaker 2: the feeling became. And now it's like a clearheadedness where

2:25:22 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm it's like I'm seeing in like a clarity.

2:25:26 Speaker 3: I haven't had before. Yeah, what happens.

2:25:30 Speaker 2: I've been gripping it pretty tight, and it's I've got

2:25:34 Speaker 2: this like crowned feeling where it's like something's at the

2:25:37 Speaker 2: top of my.

2:25:38 Speaker 3: Head right now. The chak room, crown chakra.

2:25:43 Speaker 5: That's how they would actually extract your soul and this

2:25:45 Speaker 5: is fucking wild. Open that crown chakra and the way

2:25:49 Speaker 5: they do it. I'm gonna let your audience use their

2:25:52 Speaker 5: imagination because it's a horrific way to do it. But

2:25:55 Speaker 5: let me just put it this way, when you have

2:25:56 Speaker 5: an orgasm, all your chakras open, So again we're talking

2:26:01 Speaker 5: about kids here opening chakras. I'll leave leave you with that.

2:26:09 Speaker 5: And the person who was in charge of that, Preston Nichols,

2:26:11 Speaker 5: made no qualms about the fact that he had to

2:26:13 Speaker 5: do it. Now did he like it? We don't really know. Okay,

2:26:17 Speaker 5: there might be that aspect of that personality that enjoyed

2:26:21 Speaker 5: that kind of ship.

2:26:24 Speaker 1: Right.

2:26:24 Speaker 7: So now I'm sitting here with my eyes closed, right

2:26:29 Speaker 7: and literally it's like I.

2:26:30 Speaker 8: Can see damn on a tunnel and all of the

2:26:35 Speaker 8: it's like, uh, like red wave Like I'm moving through

2:26:38 Speaker 8: a tunnel and there's like red waves, like it's just

2:26:43 Speaker 8: strict red lines. And I've got a ringing in my

2:26:47 Speaker 8: left ear.

2:26:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got like and then this that's like nothing

2:26:57 Speaker 3: I've ever experienced before.

2:27:00 Speaker 5: And I'm very fortunate to add these pieces because I

2:27:02 Speaker 5: went back a following year to you know, gather a

2:27:04 Speaker 5: few more up just for a collection, and because I've

2:27:06 Speaker 5: given some away, uh to certain people, and you can't

2:27:10 Speaker 5: find these pieces. Yes, the tower is still decaying. The

2:27:13 Speaker 5: radar itself is decaying, but it's like the Earth has

2:27:16 Speaker 5: just swallowed them up in a year. I want I

2:27:23 Speaker 5: may have a piece at home that I can send

2:27:25 Speaker 5: to you. I just have to go back at in

2:27:27 Speaker 5: my studio and take a peek. I may have one

2:27:28 Speaker 5: for you.

2:27:29 Speaker 3: Though I'll pay for it.

2:27:31 Speaker 5: No you won't. It'll be a gift.

2:27:35 Speaker 3: This is this is I just never felt something like

2:27:39 Speaker 3: that before.

2:27:40 Speaker 5: So this is a lot of this has done underground too.

2:27:43 Speaker 5: So you're talking about walking through a dark corridor or

2:27:45 Speaker 5: a tunnel like that. That's the majority of where this

2:27:47 Speaker 5: stuff happened.

2:27:49 Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, it was like there's a distance, there's

2:27:51 Speaker 10: a you know, dark.

2:27:54 Speaker 5: It's kind of reminds me like, yeah, well, I wanted

2:27:57 Speaker 5: to make some jewelry out of it. I'm like, well,

2:27:58 Speaker 5: nobody can wear it, so never mind. But you know,

2:28:03 Speaker 5: I mean, I can't have you do it.

2:28:05 Speaker 10: But I'm telling I hold it here like this, it's war.

2:28:12 Speaker 5: I do it here.

2:28:13 Speaker 7: It feels like the rest of them out.

2:28:16 Speaker 5: Keep in mind, this particular material was used in time

2:28:18 Speaker 5: travel experiment, so this has not just a physical component,

2:28:22 Speaker 5: but it exists on many different levels that are more

2:28:24 Speaker 5: tangible because of the experiments that it is used.

2:28:29 Speaker 7: One hand feels it.

2:28:32 Speaker 3: Man, I've had I've had some pretty uh jarring experiences

2:28:35 Speaker 3: the past two days. I'm having an existential crisis right now.

2:28:40 Speaker 3: I'm having a pretty.

2:28:41 Speaker 2: Existential I've had two things happen to me in the

2:28:43 Speaker 2: past two days. I cannot understand and I can't explain.

2:28:48 Speaker 3: I don't know.

2:28:49 Speaker 2: Why, because now that it's out of my hand, it's

2:28:51 Speaker 2: almost like I'm reverting back.

2:28:54 Speaker 5: Yeah, you'll real line to what you're actually my job.

2:28:58 Speaker 10: But it's so like I get it pressed here right

2:29:04 Speaker 10: my hands or the palms are warm, but this is cool.

2:29:09 Speaker 5: Yep. I can't tell you why that is, but I've

2:29:12 Speaker 5: had other people feel the same thing you are. I

2:29:17 Speaker 5: can't and this is why I brought it. I can't

2:29:19 Speaker 5: explain it.

2:29:21 Speaker 3: I can't explain it.

2:29:23 Speaker 5: Well, it's not every day you're gonna hold a bit

2:29:24 Speaker 5: of material like that, and we're talking years in years

2:29:27 Speaker 5: of that research.

2:29:28 Speaker 2: It's got a residual, it's got a residuous it's heating up.

2:29:36 Speaker 3: Did you get it? Yeah? Oh my god, here.

2:29:40 Speaker 8: And it's cool. It's cool, but like here, Yeah.

2:29:44 Speaker 5: I've never almost like this whole life, like there's there's

2:29:48 Speaker 5: some kind of energy that thank you for doing that.

2:29:51 Speaker 5: Oh my pleasure. Man.

2:29:52 Speaker 3: That was That's a wild moment of final history. Again

2:29:55 Speaker 3: going through in this studio, I was like, does That's

2:29:57 Speaker 3: the probably one of the craziest things I've ever experience

2:30:00 Speaker 3: from a guest.

2:30:01 Speaker 5: I'm glad that. I'm glad that I wrought that with me.

2:30:04 Speaker 3: That was insane.

2:30:04 Speaker 5: I almost walked out. I'm like, oh no, I got

2:30:06 Speaker 5: to bring this.

2:30:07 Speaker 3: I saw a yellow bag. Come on, I go, what's it?

2:30:09 Speaker 3: Guy over there? And then he goes, I hold this,

2:30:12 Speaker 3: and I go, oh right, all right, all right? That

2:30:16 Speaker 3: was That was.

2:30:19 Speaker 2: I don't know how that's going to translate on camera,

2:30:21 Speaker 2: but I hope you know that. I again, that ship

2:30:25 Speaker 2: is where I kind of draw the line.

2:30:28 Speaker 3: I have a hard time with it.

2:30:30 Speaker 2: But as soon as that, because I had it gripped

2:30:33 Speaker 2: for quite a while, and then this like vibration came

2:30:37 Speaker 2: up and it was like I was like flickering, like

2:30:40 Speaker 2: like my you know, like that internal picture in your head.

2:30:43 Speaker 2: It started flickering and then boom like I was HD.

2:30:49 Speaker 2: As soon as I adjusted to it, it was like

2:30:51 Speaker 2: the room became HD.

2:30:53 Speaker 8: It was literally like like power charge.

2:30:58 Speaker 5: Yeah, it got warm.

2:31:00 Speaker 11: It's shot over here, tangling this.

2:31:03 Speaker 3: Lower right, Yeah, I don't feel anything on my head anymore.

2:31:07 Speaker 3: At the top of my head. I felt this. Once

2:31:09 Speaker 3: I acclimated.

2:31:11 Speaker 2: To it, I felt this like opening up here. It

2:31:15 Speaker 2: just kept like it, kind of like when you take

2:31:17 Speaker 2: if anyone's taking mushrooms here, you know, when the mushrooms

2:31:20 Speaker 2: first start to kick on and you get that like

2:31:23 Speaker 2: zingy feeling.

2:31:24 Speaker 3: Like some people get in their nose. I had it

2:31:27 Speaker 3: at the top, the top of the crowd of my

2:31:29 Speaker 3: head and the whole time I was holding it.

2:31:31 Speaker 2: Once I acclimated to it, and it was just like,

2:31:34 Speaker 2: but now it's gone completely gone. Let's test that project Superman,

2:31:43 Speaker 2: you know.

2:31:45 Speaker 3: But we're gonna head into a member's only section.

2:31:49 Speaker 2: That was a fucking hell of a bang to end

2:31:52 Speaker 2: that episode on My God, you are truly a special individual.

2:31:58 Speaker 3: What do you What are you working on right now?

2:32:00 Speaker 3: Where can people find you? Yeah? Huge plug like plug everything.

2:32:05 Speaker 5: So, as I mentioned, I'm the founder of Dark Hour Paranormal.

2:32:08 Speaker 5: You can find me on YouTube. Go check out Contact

2:32:12 Speaker 5: in the Woods the Doctor Jonathan Read story. You'll also

2:32:14 Speaker 5: see me in that Oh why am I drawing a

2:32:20 Speaker 5: blank all of a sudden, here, Oh, what I'm working

2:32:22 Speaker 5: on now. I have a few documentaries in the works.

2:32:25 Speaker 5: Right now, I'm putting together like a half hour forty

2:32:28 Speaker 5: minute documentary on the Mansfield Training School out in Stores, Connecticut,

2:32:33 Speaker 5: real deep history was a mental health facility for children

2:32:38 Speaker 5: and a lot of things happened there. But that should

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2:32:47 Speaker 5: I've been working on that for about three years, so

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2:32:53 Speaker 5: a lot of different elements to consider when you're doing

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2:33:04 Speaker 5: the album's release on the channel, and then today I

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2:33:33 Speaker 2: Get invited to one of those and come cover it

2:33:35 Speaker 2: like I have for like the UFO world, you know,

2:33:39 Speaker 2: so we'll have to chat, yes we will.

2:33:42 Speaker 4: Yes.

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2:36:36 Speaker 11: Generally from toxic exposures and things like that in the

2:36:40 Speaker 11: military and over like over the you know, over the years,

2:36:47 Speaker 11: like I'd have arm pains, I'd have this and that,

2:36:49 Speaker 11: and then about three years ago it started affecting my

2:36:54 Speaker 11: legs and they're like you can't.

2:36:57 Speaker 5: Like it.

2:36:59 Speaker 8: Was like your immune systems.

2:37:01 Speaker 10: Even your nervous system, and that was it.

2:37:04 Speaker 11: And I went to physical therapy and everything like that,

2:37:07 Speaker 11: and I swear to God, I swear to God, every bit.

2:37:13 Speaker 8: Of pain is gone.

2:37:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've actually never seen them walk that it consisted.

2:37:23 Speaker 10: I mean it's like I cheaved, like I got pounced

2:37:27 Speaker 10: constructed because I like pounced again.

2:37:29 Speaker 3: Was saying, I'm like.

2:37:33 Speaker 5: And I'm like, I'm like walking all and then it

2:37:37 Speaker 5: struck me. I'm like, that's why I yelled for time,

2:37:39 Speaker 5: and I'm like, I don't have any pain. You don't

2:37:44 Speaker 5: know what that ship was.

2:37:45 Speaker 3: You have me whole, all right.

2:38:04 Speaker 9: So it is less than twenty four hours since we

2:38:11 Speaker 9: recorded that episode, and I'm just I asked me to

2:38:17 Speaker 9: make some comments and kind.

2:38:19 Speaker 6: Of show the status today here.

2:38:22 Speaker 3: I am no Caine.

2:38:26 Speaker 9: I feel great. I had a great night's sleep. I

2:38:29 Speaker 9: had some really vivid dreams. One was about like being

2:38:36 Speaker 9: in a hospital. A funny thing coincidentally about it. You know,

2:38:43 Speaker 9: my sister got up this morning. She shares a home

2:38:46 Speaker 9: with us, and I was like, watch this. I was

2:38:49 Speaker 9: sitting down when she came outside and I stood up

2:38:52 Speaker 9: and started walking around, and.

2:38:53 Speaker 6: She was just like the fuck I told her. I

2:38:56 Speaker 6: told her the story, and now I'm gonna wander bring down.

2:39:01 Speaker 6: We have a lovely, lovely bicycle trail right next to

2:39:06 Speaker 6: the house, and this distance that I've walked just in

2:39:12 Speaker 6: this short time.

2:39:15 Speaker 5: Haven't done this

2:39:17 Speaker 6: In probably a little just about three years,