EXCLUSIVE: UFO Whistleblower Reveals Recovered Non-Human Material, Death Threats & Senate SCIF Testimony

0:00 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Total Disclosure the podcast. Today we have an exclusive episode just for Total Disclosure listeners. And in the shadows of the most classified programs on Earth, there's one man who is risking everything, his reputation, his career, and even his life. And now he's not a career spy, he is not a politician. He is a contractor who had an experience who stumbled upon something that was never meant to be seen in the planes of Kansas. Advanced materials or meta materials, technology that defy known physics, objects that could be ours.

0:46 Speaker 1: But the question, more so becomes where did we get them? What he found changed his life forever, and then the death threats followed, Federal investigators got involved, and yet he is still choosing to This is not another blurry lights in the sky story, however, a first hand account from inside the machine. And for the first time, in this exclusive no holds barred interview, a man known only as Whistling Mike steps out of the dark. Now, now we did have to protect his identity, so we filmed this episode accordingly given the circumstance.

1:23 Speaker 1: He will tell you what he saw and what they tried to bury and why powerful forces still want this story silence. This is total disclosure from a man who never wanted to but was forced to speak up. Welcome to the show, my next guest throughfo whistle block whistling, Mike step Welcome back everybody. I'm so happy to be doing this today. You know, it's not every day that I get to sit down with someone with such an incredible insight into the world of the black program, government contracting world.

3:32 Speaker 1: And you know why, especially right now, we are taking this so seriously, So of course I want to start the interview with maybe getting a little bit about you and why we have to film this way. I just kind of want to get that out of the way. Why do we have to conceal your identity?

3:52 Speaker 2: I was working on concealing my own identity. And then naturally some things change, mainly with Tim Phillips when he did go on the mcwests podcasts and announced that there was a particular person who had physical material and pieces and he felt like that person was trying to extort Darrow and that based on what he heard from the Senator staffers, he wouldn't have that person around his family, and then went on to conclude that they had turned that over to the FBI and so on.

4:25 Speaker 1: You know, Arrow tried or someone tried to get Arrow's seal of approval. There was another claim made that there was a person and he now goes by whistling Mike on X and he's made some claims, and Burlison has said, he's an interesting person and he's a defense contractor who's trying to get contracts with the US government and he came to Arrow with a story. And yes, what you say is that there was a attempt at extortion. Can you address this and clear this up? What happened there?

5:06 Speaker 3: We had a referral when I was the acting director chairman of one of the oversight committees, asked us to meet with an individual that claimed to have reported to US a UAP part. When we actually met with this individual, what we realized is the claim was that he recovered a part that fell from an advanced US dealth aircraft. So the part that he recovered was actually a piece of government property. This individual came up with a new manufacturing process to duplicate the part wanted, found a or developed a procedure to be able to detect these advanced aircraft.

6:03 Speaker 3: At one point there was a claim that wanted us to purchase the part or there was gonna sell it to another foreign entity such as the Chinese. To us, that sounded like it stortion, and that's how we treated it, and we referred it off to the FBI. But that was kind of the end of that. The fact that someone recovered apart from aircraft, that right there means it's not an arrow's mission set. Aerow investigates quap.

6:33 Speaker 2: Some of the things within his statements that he said that he's missed as he also forgot to confirm that even within the ARROW office, they did validate the death threats that came in from adversary countries. So what that said, folks are looking for me, and it's not just the community that is here, such as the case as we've seen with a lot of folks that have gone missing, and we don't know why I'm on that list, and so showing my face helps them. It's not about guarding myself from the public or getting to know people.

7:04 Speaker 2: It's just safety for me and my family.

7:06 Speaker 1: So it's safe to say that you're not hiding from the UFO community or even the public in general. You're protecting yourself against the man quote unquote, or you know, the people that seek to do harm to those who get too close to this subject, but also interact with the public.

7:28 Speaker 2: Correct. So when China says they're going to wipe you off the face of the earth, they usually mean it. So showing them what I look like doesn't help anyone out other than them.

7:38 Speaker 1: So okay, with that being said, I mean, I really do want to say thank you for taking the time out of your day to do this. Can you tell the audience a bit about yourself and what you're hoping to get from an interview like this?

7:52 Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, originally when I started this was a project where I happened to come upon a UAP craft and it worked through its various stages. Now, I always looked at it as a technology standpoint, as a business standpoint as we built it, and so we've developed technology not just within the UAP community, but goes directly to the defense contracting community. That's where I've been. However, with that said, I am forging my own path. That's been said to us from several senators from the Pentagon and from funding.

8:26 Speaker 2: You're an uncharted territory. So I have ran into issues getting a contract through. But I went through several titles, whether it be witness, whistleblower. As of right now, I'm just focused on one and that is essentially an arms dealer. That's where I go forward from here on out. However, what brought me here is a bit what I'm gonna share with you today.

8:46 Speaker 1: So you're a bit like a Tony Stark right before he became iron Man.

8:50 Speaker 2: I'm a bit like the Merchant of Death at this point. Yeah, it's a little. It's there's real life people that have to challenge the government. There's real life people that are the guy. It doesn't do me any good to compare myself to the person as we know now that bought the direct energy weapon from as they described it, Russian criminal network that then developed the discombobulator or where exactly they got the technology from what that guy's name was for the ghost murmur. But there's people out there that have what they need that lead us one hundred years ahead.

9:24 Speaker 2: I happen to be one of them. And this is usually what you go through.

9:28 Speaker 1: Walk me through that day that you came across this craft. Did this now? Had you thought about UFOs or seems like you're a pretty straight laced gentleman, Like not saying that you wouldn't be thinking about the existential things, but did you ever had a like interest in the phenomena before what happened happened?

9:53 Speaker 2: I didn't. I mean, I remember, you know, being back younger, seeing with buddies one night, the Fire in the Sky movie Jovis Walton case. That was a bit before you know, things started to develop. Where you understand when they say based on a true story, that doesn't mean much. So that was really the only little bit of knowledge that I could remind you. Yeah, I saw et Star Trek Star Wars. It wasn't because I was into UFOs UFOs, it was just that's everybody's childhood of that.

10:24 Speaker 1: Decade pop culture. So yeah, you really relegated yourself. You you were more relegated towards the pop culture side of it, like as a storytelling thing. Yeah, did you ever think you'd run into what you ran into? No?

10:39 Speaker 2: Never. I mean for people that are gen X, you know, I often wonder about like these generations coming up to sound like a grumpy old man, like we grew up in the day of like you know, back to the future. So you really, and your idea had it that in twenty twenty thirty you were going to have flying this find that people always just said, yeah, that's how it'll be. Now everybody is kind of flip that script where they're like, oh, we don't have this technology right, how the hell do you know? Because that's how my generation kind of viewed it.

11:09 Speaker 2: So that was always how I looked at it. This is advanced technology versus oh that must be UFO if you get there, fine, But that was never my first I did.

11:18 Speaker 1: So you're growing up, you're growing up. You're really seeing the phenomenon just from the pop culture. The Steven Spielberg's What life did you choose? You know, professionally, you know, give me a little bit about your upbringing and why you chose the path that you're on right now.

11:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, I grew up in a pretty poor environment. A lot of that just has to do with people making it through young parents. My sister was diagnosed early with the disease. Then I ended up coming across the same disease. And you know, sometimes it's not digging your own hole deeper, it's just life trying to bury it. So I know what government cheese tastes like, and so I was pretty confident that my one goal in life was going to be to make sure, you know, I got my own family and my own as you get older, it's your responsibility, right right.

12:09 Speaker 2: So I went through those normal processes of work and jobs. I was always very eager to get the corporate ladder climbed, made it all the way to the VP of a publicly traded company, and when that company ended up being in a purchase buyout from another larger company a merger, my job was often the times of VPS because whoever the buying company is using their VPS, you're kind of isolated out of it. Consulted for a while. But then I was like, I know what I got here, which I'm already hearing. There's people, you know, within the industry have been out with me saying no one else can do this.

12:45 Speaker 2: That was going to become my full time gig. And that's when I made the jump to do it.

12:50 Speaker 1: Okay, so what is your current role or responsibility?

12:58 Speaker 2: This is it, this is life. I've got everything into pushing this product line essentially, which is what it is. And the government knows they need it. They don't really want to pay for it like this, So they're throwing the Invention Secrecy Act at me, But there are individuals who deal with this in the government to fund these people because we do no good for the men and women in uniform or our country fighting it out. So I'm not going to roll over and let you take it with the Invention Secrecy Act.

13:28 Speaker 2: So then what happens will either battle in court or it stays on the shelf for ten years when you could be saving people. So luckily I have found the funding people who are like, there's a way forward. It's not always easy. There's a lot of red tape, but that's the method we're trying to push through is we can still get this done. That's my whole focus. That's everything I have into this. You know, when I started this company, I started it like any normal company, very small time I had. You know, I was making a lot of money as a VP, and then as it progressed, you put more into it, you get another accolade, you reach another achievement, you put more into it.

14:07 Speaker 2: At this point in time, like I said, and I think Tim Phillips confirmed, we've got the government by the balls with what we can do. So this is me, this is everything right now?

14:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean I spoke, that's how we actually met, not met, but met in that way of online. Yeah, right, is when I was doing the Tim Phillips interview, and you know, you kind of wanted to see what he was going to say. So there was a big Like, I felt like there was a lot of eyes on that interview simply because of you. So it was a very interesting dichotomy for me to be like, all right now, I feel like I've been shoehorned into something, right, something larger than I expected.

14:51 Speaker 2: Well, you got caught up. Unluckily, cooler heads prevail as we talk to each other, which is the way to do things. But essentially you got caught up in a battle that had been brewing and it's still brewing, and luckily we didn't end up with you as collateral damage it. Instead, you've worked your way through it. So I give you credit for that. But yeah, it was kind of hot to get started.

15:14 Speaker 1: Right, So, and I asked these questions because you are a human being, right, You're a normal guy, You're you're You're just you came across something that is unique and not many people get a chance to to be not let alone, let alone see something like that, but to have access to it on another level where you're now holding evidence to some degree. So can you walk me through so you're building your company? Yeah, so say as much as and say as much as you can without giving If we have to bleep anything out, I'm happy to do that, but you know, I'd like to hear it all.

16:01 Speaker 1: So what puts you in a position to come across something like you did? Can you tell me that whole story so we can kind of get in that's best.

16:10 Speaker 2: So it's still by chance. So you know, of every company I had invested in, because even when I was working full time, I'm still you know, entrepreneur looking at various companies, was involved, you know, had part of a winery I owned. I mean that's the normal what you do, right. So yeah, so one particular company I had, you know, because of my upbringing. Even though I may be in a pin stripe or MONI suit in a boardroom, I'll still throw on the gloves and help make a long drive or get dirty. I mean that's just that's me.

16:42 Speaker 2: So this particular assignment that we had for a higher technology that dealt with a whole lot of monitoring equipment on a higher level of you don't know what's going on until you really hit it with this sort of monitoring equipment. We went quite a bit out of town. Everybody just voted to come home. You know, do you stay and waste a day or do you just want to get home? And I said, hey, look I'll throw in on the drive. So my kind of end of the drive was pushing the early hours of the morning, almost home, and we come across lights out in the field and it's the sort of thing where you don't feel like anything should be out there, you know, it's like what could have lights, say, fifty foot up in the middle of you know, wheat field.

17:33 Speaker 1: So can you say where you were with state?

17:36 Speaker 2: Sure? So this is happening in Kansas, Kansas?

17:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, just keep it there.

17:41 Speaker 2: And it happened in an area that I know well enough to know that if the light's wrong, the sun's out, there's there's nothing over the horizon that you know, Black Kansas. Yeah, there's there's nothing out there.

17:53 Speaker 1: So yeah, for anyone who hasn't been out there, it's they call it fly over state for a reason, yep. But playing nothing but play lanes and two lane road and planes on either side.

18:04 Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is. So it was one of those things because we were so close to home and you're talking about a bunch of people that have various, you know, engineering backgrounds, and we're curious, right, So now.

18:18 Speaker 1: You're seeing this as an edge, like as someone who's kind of not educated in the sense of like, but you're trained, you're a trained observer, and like, wait, that should not be there. That should not be so can you explain? So it's lights in the sky, but what does it look like?

18:37 Speaker 2: What is there color at this point in time? You just have some really bright lights, white, kind of a yellowish looking light. Nothing, there's no blinking reds, greens, blues, nothing like that.

18:50 Speaker 1: You just just one light or.

18:53 Speaker 2: Several two too okay to what I'll just referred to that going to too much detail as panel lights, but good sized lights. So because of that, one of the guys that was with me joked like, is it the field of dreams over there? Like is there now? You know? Lights? I mean, that's we weren't like, oh my gosh, this is a UFO. That was the furthest thing from anyone's mind. It was just like, what in the world could be on over there? So no one else is out on the road, it's just us. Started to kind of head that direction, not necessarily because we were chasing it, but that's still just kind of on the way home.

19:34 Speaker 2: So we come to a stop just driving home, start heading that way, and what becomes evident to me is that it's essentially pacing us, tracking away at the same speed I'm going at it. Keep in mind, these are not We're not in a chase. So if I'm doing thirty, you know, I haven't put the pedal to the metal and tried to run anything down. It's still an analytical what is this? Windows are down, you're listening, can't hear anything. You know, it's Kansas, so you can hear the bugs, you know, in the summer, completely quiet.

20:08 Speaker 2: Still don't have a clue. And the reason I say that is my mind's thinking helicopter, you know, something like this, and you should be picking up some sort of noise.

20:18 Speaker 1: As it grows closer, right, and.

20:21 Speaker 2: Again just still a completely quiet night. So we end up getting closer and closer, and eventually, rather than it tracking away, although it did track quite a bit before we got up to it, it becomes stationary. We get a closer and closer, and at that point in time you can tell there is a craft, which, again in my mind from the silhouette, as you get close and the lights shine in your eyes, still kind of seems to be like a helicopter. Okay, so you're still thinking again it's stationary, so it's obviously not a jet or something you would you know, you'd be going a couple hundred miles an hour, so.

20:58 Speaker 1: You're starting to rule things out in your life.

21:00 Speaker 2: That's exactly what's going on. Yeah, and you know, one of the other things you know this is like there was no guns of blazing before I even went that direction coming from the stop. You know, I timed it on the clock because I was like, well, if that's a plane coming in low, knowing with the speed that planes do at least one hundred miles an hour to not fall out, and it's not got here, so it's obviously not moving. I mean, that's how we're going through this. So as we start getting closer to it again, my mind is from my eyes is saying, this has got to be some sort of helicopter again, there's no think of like this as a UFO.

21:35 Speaker 2: So I really slow down because I'm thinking I can't hear anything, like I should be hearing the wash should be you know, at this point time, you should be able to see it from the from the you know, light coming down on the ground. I should be able to hear this thing. And my mind's still saying, like, you got to be careful, not in the sense of danger, but like I didn't want to drive into a scene where they're landing to pick someone up because I grew up in the sticks and if someone gets hurt bad, there's no time for an ambulance.

22:06 Speaker 1: Yeah they bring you.

22:06 Speaker 2: Send a helicopter into a wheat filled and it waits until the analyst gets there, And like, you don't want to be the dummy that just drove into the middle of something like that.

22:16 Speaker 1: So totally understandable.

22:19 Speaker 2: It was really just slow, you know, even though I ended up getting time with it, I probably wasted half of that time just through the process of working out what it was and getting up to it, because I mean, we're just happened upon it, and you're trying to figure out what's going on. What is this?

22:35 Speaker 1: How many people were with you, me and three others, So it's a full car. Yeah, there's three other people that witnessed this.

22:43 Speaker 2: Correct, correct, And there's still with me on my team.

22:48 Speaker 1: Oh today, Okay, so you this thing's tracking you. It should have come if it was any jet or helo, it should have made its way either over you at this point or been directly over you. And but you said you're starting to make out some sort of craft. So are you starting to see through the light? And like, how much are you seeing? How did you determine that?

23:19 Speaker 2: So the light is bright, it's very bright. But with that said, it's not like I'm looking at the sun, and I know, don't look at the sun, right, there's people that damage their eyes from looking at eclipses. It's the center sort of system here at this point time when you can see a craft, I'm willing to risk

23:36 Speaker 2: blinding light to figure out what the hell is is there. So coming up to it, it's essentially stationary. There's a little bit of a wobble less than fifty foot off the ground, but it's not what a wobble is probably incorrect. I mean it's moving, it's not like on a statue, but it's a controlled state.

23:58 Speaker 1: Find it interesting that you use that word wobble are so is it maybe floating wall? Like? Is there a bit of a like a fluidity to it. I don't want to put words in your mind.

24:15 Speaker 2: You're getting there, think of, and you know, I'll immediately get there. Think of if something was human tech, you would have a computer system trying to just like a drone.

24:25 Speaker 1: Continuously even itself exactly.

24:28 Speaker 2: So if you've flown a drone and you get into some wind or something, that's kind of what it was was like. So there was definitely some it was regulating staying where it wanted to stay. Okay, what it would seem like.

24:42 Speaker 1: And now I guess I just want to clarify this. So you're driving on the road and you're coming up to it at this so you're moving towards it, correct, okay.

24:55 Speaker 2: And for a while it's tracking away from us, so it's not leaving, but we're not getting any closer. Eventually, for whatever the reason be, it's stationary and now we're catching up to it. But again it's the slowest race, you know, forty mile an hour, thirty mile an hour sort of coming up to it again, there's no you're just trying to figure out what the hell it is without getting yourself into trouble.

25:19 Speaker 1: So what happens next.

25:22 Speaker 2: We get to the side of it. So now we're kind of without the blinding light. I mean, it's still there, analyzing it, looking at it. It's a craft. So my mind, for people that don't know about Kansas, especially in the Wichita area where I'm from, it's actually known as the air capital of the world. I know everybody thinks horses and cowboys, but you know, we hold records on it where all your aerospace and aircraft come from. Every major player is there, and so I've seen craft my whole life. You know, my father used to work on the Space Shuttle program back when we had that in the day.

25:59 Speaker 2: All my family's built craft. I mean, I know what I'm looking at. No numbers, no letters, no you know, marker lights, nothing. So immediately I thought to myself, this is something. This is not what we thought we were normally gonna get into. This is no helicopter, any rivet scenes or anything like that. There was without going to too much detail, you know, it's not some sort of a blob or figure. I mean, that was one of the things that we were. You know, the whole time this is going on, my group is talking back and forth to each other because we're trying to analyze what we're seeing and what we're thinking.

26:38 Speaker 2: And that was one of the immediate things I first thought to myself is this looks obviously not so much earthly made, because I wasn't thinking aliens at that point in time, but I was like, the performance, what it's doing it shouldn't be doing. But obviously this looks like human haying sort of manufacturing.

26:57 Speaker 1: Well, and we'll get through a little bit of speculational bit of a bit later because I want to know, we'll come back to that. But so there's no insignia at all on this thing.

27:08 Speaker 2: Nothing, And like I said, I know where to look, right, it's not there, not even test markers, there's nothing. Really, So as this is going on and I'm looking, and this is important part of it. You know, I turned the vehicle we're in right at it from the side, and I have a little bit of elevation of where I pulled, so my head lights are on it. Turn the brights on right, you want to see yeah more, Yeah, all of us ammiliate your remember when we turned the brights on. It seemed to basically absorb the light, like you could still see it.

27:45 Speaker 2: Think of like a thirty wht ball, but you're shining led on it, you know, like you can still see it, but obviously it's absorbing most of the light. So at that point time, it's confusing. Right now in my mind the idea of and I hate the word alien, but I was like, what the hell is this right?

28:08 Speaker 1: What kind of material can absorb photon?

28:11 Speaker 2: You're absorbing light? You know. Keep mind, we had the window down. There's only slight, little hum to it. Just thing's floating. Looking at the stuff that's under it. There was even a small little tree, not a fucking leaf's moving? What is this right? So even for me, that's not into the whole gendre of aliens and UFOs. I'm questioning, what are we looking at?

28:33 Speaker 1: Right? How does that thing? Where's the propulsion?

28:36 Speaker 2: And it's in the middle of a field in Kansas, not exactly testing grounds, you know what I mean. Like it's so that was my closest I've ever been to Like what am I seeing? I'm willing to analyze it, and I'm willing to think down that route, but until that point time in my life, I've never crossed that bridge.

28:55 Speaker 1: So you're looking at this thing because you're really not sure what it is. It's absorbing your light to some degree. It's only you know, lighting it up like a like a thirty watt light bulb at but you pounced in, you know, some Elie hardcore led right. I hate to ask, but did you know the story of Bobazar?

29:25 Speaker 2: I know some of the story.

29:27 Speaker 1: Did you watch that s for a documentary?

29:29 Speaker 2: I have not seen that.

29:31 Speaker 1: There's a part in it where they talk about having you know, those halogen lights where it's like two on a T frame. It's on construction sites a lot. Well, they had those everywhere inside the craft, and no matter how many they had, it was like the craft was absorbing the light and they could barely get this thing lit. And they had several of those, you know, all over the place, these double haligen lights, and if you've ever seen those, those are outputting you know, a good lumen, and it's like the craft is absorbing the light and only allowing uh, you know, a fraction of the photons to bounce out and back.

30:18 Speaker 1: So again, forgive me for drawing lines here, but I can't help, but think of.

30:23 Speaker 2: That for the community, is what I'll say. Making that sort of line is is an actually fair line. However, just because we're on record here, Bob Azurs full of shit is my personal opinion. Yeah, so it's not that that doesn't match up. I'm willing to say, of course that matches up, but I'm just not believe in the story it's there.

30:49 Speaker 1: Okay, So you know what, respect I have respect for someone who can come out and just be like, you know what, I don't believe the guy so well.

30:58 Speaker 2: In fairness, I want to say that this we because this is how you do science, and people don't understand science a lot of times. I know because I listen to what the tweets are every day. Right the post, we still assign a person in our team to look at that angle. Right, So I took this human tech angle and we'll get into the story later, and they took that it's not human tech angle. And we look through all those cases like Lazare the aerials, you know, school, and I'm just telling you my view is on all of them after looking at the facts and the stuff we dug up as they're all bullshit.

31:32 Speaker 2: That was my personal in our group's opinion. It's not that we didn't look at it. We just came to a different conclusion than apparently the individuals do.

31:40 Speaker 1: The Rura case is bullshit. Did you just say that the case of Zimbabwe?

31:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, is absolutely bullshit.

31:49 Speaker 1: We're going to get into that a little bit.

31:51 Speaker 2: I think we should. I think we should.

31:53 Speaker 1: Because that is you are the first person i've well aside from that one kid. But we'll get into that.

32:01 Speaker 2: We'll get into that because I'm gonna pick it apart. But that's its own So we we came to that. I mean, we try to be fair, is what I'm trying to tell people here. So when I say what I think about these people in the stories, it's not because I'm personally attacking them. It's not that I think that you don't have your own right to choose. I'm saying we legitly researched it, looked at it, and we couldn't find anything in this foundation of UFOs, including Roswell, that we could ever be like, yeah, that's that's a legit one.

32:31 Speaker 2: The only one that comes up is the knimics. And I think I've made it clear by now that I think that's human tech. So that's how my opinion of Blazarre and the rest come across.

32:41 Speaker 1: You think the tick tack is human made?

32:42 Speaker 2: Yeah?

32:43 Speaker 1: And okay, well and I'm sure we'll get into that again.

32:47 Speaker 2: But all right, well back at the scene here. So now we're looking at it with the brides. We've got the windows down. Okay, again, I've used this term over and over, not guns of blazing. I'm very careful of the moves I make, even today with what I'm going through with the government. Everything's planned out, and so we're sitting there and we're listening to the hum right, does have a noise, it's light. It's not what you should hear from a craft that's essentially levitating. But all of us, as crazy as this sound, looking at each other, we're like, it seems safe.

33:25 Speaker 2: You know, there's no sparks coming out. It doesn't sound like it's gonna blow, right.

33:30 Speaker 1: It's not even moving the tree.

33:33 Speaker 2: Right, So I know it sounds weird to say it seems safe, but you know, especially for people that are engineers and curious, like how many times are you gonna have this fucking shot? Right? I mean, you gotta make that choice. So again, we waste a lot of time just looking at it from inside the safety of a vehicle, because different people think different things. Some people panic, some people get too excited. We're just analyzing the whole thing as we go.

34:01 Speaker 1: Did Travis Walt never come back into your head in that moment?

34:04 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, you nailed that. So the reason I brought that up because I'm just being honest. That was the one thing that popped into my head before we got out, because that's a scene in that movie where he's like, why did you get out? You know, don't get out right and then you get abducted. But again, analyzing it, and I know it might sound odd, but it doesn't appear you know, there's not leaves turning brown and burning under it. I mean, there doesn't appear to be any radiation. Yeah, these sort of things that would be like, oh, let's get out of here.

34:37 Speaker 2: So with that said, we got out. All of us got out. Maybe we weren't smart enough to leave a driver, but and we all went to the back to get the equipment out because what else would you do. Right equipment, You've got high tech equipment to do things and see into electrical panels through walls and pick up ultra and acoustics. I mean, if you're going to get in trouble, you might as well go for the big one, like this is the business that was invested that we were coming home from. And again, god, well that's what I tell people.

35:15 Speaker 2: The difference with me is because these are the normal stories in Kansas. Farmer Bob's in a field and he sees something, and that's always got that story. And that's kind of what we were thinking. Is like even at this point in time, with you know, the cell phones out and this and that there's nothing there. If you really wanted people to take you.

35:37 Speaker 1: Seriously, do you have cell phone? You have video of this?

35:41 Speaker 2: We have a lot better than cell phone because when you go to the back and you start getting equipment out, Marni equipment and visual documentation equipment. You know, we had a Flair camera that was about ninety grand at the time. We get it all out again, now we start hurrying a little bit, but not You don't just run underneath the craft, right, You still want to kind of approach approach it around the size because the same way that there's nothing going on underneath of it at any point in time, because it has got that little bit of wobble.

36:11 Speaker 2: Like I was saying, you know, you don't know, so.

36:13 Speaker 1: You're approaching with caution, and how do you how do you make your move towards this thing?

36:23 Speaker 2: We get out, we're on foot, without having to even say a thing to each other. We just get out everything we have for equipment, documenting, monitoring, and that was the whole business that we had. That's why people, you know, a couple hundred miles away would hire us to come in and look what they have and high technology analyze it. It's that sort of level. So we just knew. And just like when you go into a place, everybody has a job. This person runs this, this person's on the computer. It was the same sort of thing.

36:53 Speaker 2: So we get up to it, not immediately underneath of it. We're taking the outside look. We're taking the out outside scope of it. Eventually, of course, we end up underneath of it. You know, we have a recorder on for voice two, so you know, we're reading things off, talking about things. I count this many panels, I count this many that. I mean, this is a normal. These were the right people to have for something like this.

37:17 Speaker 1: That's amazing.

37:18 Speaker 2: We're talking about what we're seeing on the monitoring equipment. We're talking about all this and for about ten minutes. You know, would have been way longer had we have known what we were going to be approaching or driving up to. That's what we got. Now, how does it end? Well? Getting towards the end of ten minutes, we do hear a noise and there is what I'll refer to as a panel that comes down off of this. Again, put yourself in the shoes of individuals in Kansas that have come across in the early hours of the morning a craft that is doing this.

37:58 Speaker 2: We've hit it. What they're everything high tech. We're talking about it now. Engineering always sounds like this sexy term because of how like advanced it is. But there's another part of engineering, which is you come to questions and the answers are kind of like a caveman. So like one of the things that we came up talking is like we can pick it up on a sensor, we can see it, but like, you know, what is this? We have some idea what it's made from because you know some of the readings coming back, but like you know what happens essentially if you throw sitting at it again, sounds a bit odd, but that's kind of where we're at.

38:35 Speaker 2: Does it go through it? Does it bounce off? Does this thing light up before you know? I mean, like what what happens? Because you can tell a lot when it's quiet about a noise. When you hear it bounce off of something, right? Is it like a rock? Is it hollow? I mean, these are questions that we've kind of got to where it's like, we've got as much as we can possibly get with what we have. What are the other questions to it? So there was a panel correct falls off as.

39:08 Speaker 1: You got Yeah, I gotta ask. Have you heard of Diana Pasolka?

39:17 Speaker 2: I know the name, but again I'm not as familiar with everybody you did the stories.

39:21 Speaker 1: Not to divulge too much here, but Diana in her book refers back to tim Timothy Taylor.

39:35 Speaker 2: And I know the name, but again it's the smallest part of the story that I can remember.

39:40 Speaker 1: They call him the Dragon correct in Mission Control and NASA, and he's allegedly allegedly allegedly, but the guy is super elusive and he seems to pop up everywhere, but not public like with Chris bloodsoe and again you know, let's for at least this part. But Diana's talking to Tim and when she says UFO crash, he corrects her and he tells her no, they're donations. Their donations. Do you think that you were possibly given what you needed at the time at one point time?

40:36 Speaker 2: Because of how rough this has been that we're going to go through, I did kind of think back and think to myself, like, why me? You know, there's it's an honest question, especially with what we're going to get into. Yeah, I mean, as we just said, what are the chances of this? So am I the only person in the world that just you know, me and these other three people? And this is you got to ask yourself, why am he right? However?

40:59 Speaker 1: I saw you panel didn't fall off of it.

41:01 Speaker 2: Though, when we start the analysis and working through that, it's obviously human tech and the other part of that is going to be what we identified. We believe and this does happen a lot. You just don't hear about it, or if you don't have your head in that industry. Stuff breaks all the time. The harder you have a performance, the more performance, the more it breaks. And most of your nice craft, whether it be you know, the SR the one P seventeen is because they just can't keep up the maintenance.

41:33 Speaker 2: Even the B two is usually down for two or three times as much as it flies. So when you hear about how impressed it was that they did those missions in the roads, because normally you have to bring it back and replace all sorts of stuff. So what that said to us It was a communication we'll say data link failure where it was traveling. And this happens to drones. We lose them in on countries all the time. Because of this, you don't know where to go because this isn't a conventional motor. The idea would be you just sit down at that level waiting to go.

42:07 Speaker 2: Now, that failure of the panel we think was involved in it. Whether you know it's hit something, something's wrong, we don't know. But we also don't know what was going on inside of it, because usually when something like this would go down, you would have a team, which we are worried about, a response team showing up. And here we are with all.

42:28 Speaker 1: This equipment popping through.

42:31 Speaker 2: It's gotta be someone's got to be watching it from above with some sort of reaper or satellite link, So you know, these were things I was waiting on as we're kind of being careful, is like correct. The other part of that is you're also trying to figure out the problem. You always have remote, remote ways to fix stuff, and it seemed that when this panel came off that that seemed to fix whatever the issue she was. I can't explain you how it fixed it, but it was right after this panel came off that it was actually able to essentially take back off and be gone.

43:08 Speaker 1: What did it look like when it took off?

43:13 Speaker 2: So you do have and I've struggled to describe exactly because I used to say cavity, but that confused people because that cavity is more, you know, embedded versus a bubble. So now I'm just going to say a bubble, not a bubble obviously, But if you think about kind of what you can pick up from interference or radios on and whatnot and see it on a screen where they're actually a monitoring equipment, you know what electrical interference looks like. But this is visual to the eye still essentially a bubble, and then it's just very slight and then it's gone as fraver would say bloop.

43:55 Speaker 1: So it either instantaneously acceleratedeus where you can't process how fast it's moving, or it is literally disappearing into the fabric of now. Again, yeah, that's the more magical answer, but you honestly, you can't say one or the other.

44:21 Speaker 2: Right at this point. No, obviously we've gotten a lot further into that. But my point here is if you think about we'll just go very simple here. If someone shoots a gun, you know the bullets in the gun, you hear it, see it hit the bull's eye. At no point in time do your eyes catch it from point A to point B.

44:44 Speaker 1: So it just happens.

44:45 Speaker 2: There are things, and there's many within our world that we live in where if something is fast enough, it's how do you get that fast that quick? Right in that case, gunpowder, But your eyes aren't as good as a lot of people seem to think that they would be. Also, keep in mind, you're talking about nighttime in the dark, so you're trying to judge, okay, where it would be. So but it's gone, let's put it that way.

45:10 Speaker 1: But it shows several observables by the standards of people like Elizondo, who you know, were a part of a tip which was all SAP. We don't have to get into that.

45:29 Speaker 2: I've heard the observables almost all I would agree with. I know they're trying to add some more into it, but when you talk about a craft that can stop, you know, as we get into our development of what we've learned and what we've caught, which you shouldn't be able to do instantly, just like you shouldn't be able to instantly bloop and be gone. These observables are correct.

45:49 Speaker 1: Okay, how the craft is now gone? You're worried about a response team still, I would assume the.

46:00 Speaker 2: Whole time I've been worried about that exactly right, right.

46:03 Speaker 1: So where's the thought process of Like, take me through what your thought process was like and when did you determine let's grab this and get out.

46:16 Speaker 2: So you know, again growing up in the family that I did and some of the businesses I've been involved with. What people may not know is that even a lot of human technology is actually the stealth codings are toxic. You don't want to touch them. So like when the F one seventeen went down and they shot the one down and Serby or whatever it was, and the Chinese sent out people to the farmers trying to buy pieces of equipment or whatnot. So many people touched toxic material. So it was still the you know, although my brain hadn't processed everything.

46:49 Speaker 2: One thing you still know is like you got to be careful handling it. With this sort of handling of stuff, you know, there's still a massive danger here. You also don't know if it's burning hot. You know, you can tune it's not smoking, but I mean there's there's questions.

47:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, my toaster doesn't smoke.

47:05 Speaker 2: Right, if you just be safe, you can avoid most things. Again, by the chance of whether it was a gift or curse, I don't know. We're prepared for that because we deal with high voltage electricity in part of what the business does all the time.

47:24 Speaker 1: Right, how big is this thing? Can you I'm gonna get it possible to give me a.

47:30 Speaker 2: It's not it's not that big. More like when the shuttle comes in with heat shields, you know, you add up so many of them, so if one fails, it's a small thing. Now, all that information is on record, sci it's all it's all arro.

47:45 Speaker 1: But what for anyone who doesn't know what that is. I would assume that most people watching my show do. But what is that?

47:52 Speaker 2: Sure? So SCI is the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, which is essentially the boss of all intelligence. And so when you go into that skiff, that's where everything that's happened in every country, every terroist attack, that's the briefing. That's the people you talk to in answer to. So naturally they wanted to know the exact same thing, okay in those question mines, So you're following that good. And then Air O course, is the Pentagon's version of the investigative force that looks into I don't even want to say UAP, but if it's in the air and it's unidentified, what is it?

48:29 Speaker 1: So again, you get this, you obtain this panel. Correct, Are you still in your mind thinking that I'm going like this, someone's going to be coming after me? Now, well, are you worried about that? When do you stop being worried about the response team?

48:57 Speaker 2: Here's kind of what my thinking was. The first spons team shows up and they say why did you pick that up? And I say, well, if I didn't, you have technology left in the middle of nowhere in a field. And at that point in time. I don't know if anybody else has seen it, right, I mean I was trying to monitor my eyes as anything flying over, not just surveillance, but like normal You know, if a pilot goes over in a commercial and you see cent a we're down there in the middle of a field too, he's probably going to call it into air traffick, right, I mean there's all sorts of scenarios.

49:31 Speaker 2: So that's that was going to be my explanation.

49:33 Speaker 1: See you you were, and you're not lying. You're a patriot.

49:39 Speaker 2: I'm glad you've brought it to this point because I want people to understand. At no point time during this did I ever think to myself, this is going to be my business. I'm going to take this and have it analyzed. It was just working through a crime scene. Right. If you show up and someone's in an accident, you just start getting him out of the car. I mean, it's it's just the process that seemed like what you should be going through, right.

50:01 Speaker 1: As a good Samaritan. Right.

50:03 Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with me playning this or planning that. I am literally caught up in the moment of what's going on.

50:10 Speaker 1: Right, So okay, so what happens next you're you're clearly you know, smart enough to have picked us up. How long does the from start to finish? How long is this encounter?

50:27 Speaker 2: And again, yeah, so it's a long encounter because of how much we're sitting there, how many we're waiting, right, So we let three to five minutes go by because I think it's this close. So in three minutes it should be over us, but someone else in the van. If you've ever tried to judge lights far off right, it's not as easy. Okay, well, it's five minutes by now, and it should at least be you know, closer brighter. So there's a lot of killed time there, but the actual out with it in person is right about ten minutes time.

50:58 Speaker 2: You know, we could throw thousand different times out there, but you include how much do you not? How much of that? It's really important, but that's kind of the essence of it.

51:08 Speaker 1: But you had eyes on this thing for about.

51:13 Speaker 2: Fifteen minutes, yeah, from first starting to make out the craft because at that point time before that, we're just seeing lights and there's no real detail of what it is.

51:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, but all right, so you have a lot of data as well. You've obtained a lot of data on this thing in the air, it blimps off, you grab the panel, you're back in the vehicle and you're headed off.

51:41 Speaker 2: What happens next, well, as all excitement comes down to when there's going to be some possible fallout, everybody wants to know who's going to be the point man. Right, things are going to happen, You're going to have to speak to somebody again.

51:59 Speaker 1: So you're in the car talking about this, right, And it's.

52:02 Speaker 2: Not really like someone doesn't want to involved in it. It's just like you get back in and a lot of other people are like, yeah, man, I don't want to deal with you know, you to instantly start thinking the worst, like I don't want to deal with the FBI. I don't want to deal with them, man, like you know, and I was like, I'll handle it. I'll handle it right because you got to call somebody, you know. It's just the way again, we weren't thinking about let's have this and you know, these allegations against me.

52:27 Speaker 2: You're just thinking like, okay, so I don't do when I get home it's early hours of the morning. I was gonna try and sleep. You guys, you can imagine even with me that you just can't you can't sleep, you know, you're playing this in your mind, you're going through the data. At that point time, I would say three of the four of us in the vehicle were convinced it's human tech. But because of what we've seen, there's still one that's like, you know, not that it was a push of its alien It's just like I haven't seen enough to say it's human tech at this point.

53:04 Speaker 1: But at this point there are there is a debate amongst your your group that this might not be human.

53:12 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean again, we look at stuff and fairness, and everybody's got different knowledge bases, you know. So like for example, when I went into Aero and they wanted to see photos and this exactly what they said. There's a certain way that everybody does stuff. So like there's a certain way China or US or Russia nips and texts their aircraft. You can still tell things from it. So some of the people that we had with us felt like that's definitely not just human but US tech. So it kind of depends on what you're looking for and what your markers are of to get you to where you're at.

53:47 Speaker 1: So so you take point, you take point, you guys.

53:54 Speaker 2: I on the company, R I on it. It's my I'll deal with it.

53:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, what what was your first move now that you had obtained let's just say, because we'll just call it the material, right, Yeah, you've got the material the next day? Or or what's the decision that you make first? Who do you call? Who are you calling?

54:21 Speaker 2: My first thing was did anybody else see this?

54:24 Speaker 1: Oh? Did anybody? Well?

54:26 Speaker 2: I'm thinking through it, right, you know, on the way home at drive home, I was like, all right, I'll call the d D tomorrow or the FBI. Then I get home and I was like, you know, that doesn't necessarily seem like the greatest I did. Did anybody else see this?

54:40 Speaker 1: You know?

54:40 Speaker 2: Like, so I was thinking to myself, well, the Internet's undefeated, right, started to kind of look around message boards, thinking to myself, surely this is going to be you know, someone's got to say something about it. And you're running search, you know for this word and that word lights.

54:56 Speaker 1: In the sky Kansas, right, nothing?

55:00 Speaker 2: And so then I talked to another person who's kind of was involved within just the community and kind of like a morning show person that knew everything got all the tips and like, I haven't heard a thing about it. And then they actually had called the Air Force base by there in their Air Force bace. Not that they would have told them, but it was like, yeah, we don't know what you're talking about, so and not actually that I didn't want that answer. I was kind of like, shit, we're the only we're the only ones, right.

55:28 Speaker 1: So we're the only ones. Now we have a real duty.

55:31 Speaker 2: Now I've got to make the call.

55:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and who do you call? Well?

55:37 Speaker 2: So again right, right? And this is the problem with movies, believe it or not. There's no way to really talk to your government as a civilian. There's no magic phone number.

55:52 Speaker 1: No, yeah, there's no there's yeah, there's no Superman phone right or another there you call in yeah, correct.

56:00 Speaker 2: And even if you look through your intelligence agencies right now, they all have an eight hundred number. You can't call your local office, you know, your local headquarters or regional office. So I try the d D a little bit. They have no idea, what what you know how to help me? And that's an essence of what I call the FBI, because keep in mind, there's there's different.

56:22 Speaker 1: I'm sorry the Department of Defense can't help.

56:26 Speaker 2: Here's here's why, and it's relayed when I when I spoke to the FBI, it was now the dow but right the correct Here's what I'm saying, and you be the FBI. Here, I'm in Kansas, it's early hours of the morning. I have essentially seen a UFO. Okay, here's what you do. Click. That's what it gets to, sir. I can't help you, Sir, I don't. Okay, yep, that's it.

56:55 Speaker 4: Now.

56:55 Speaker 2: At that point in time, I hadn't said anything about pieces or whatnot, because you're just trying to get this conversation started. You're trying to have them take you serious. And at that point in time, no matter what I would have yelled out, it would have been like yelling out I've been abducted. You could tell they were just like over it. You're a crazy guy. At three am, I don't think uncrafts.

57:19 Speaker 1: What year is this?

57:21 Speaker 2: I always say, early two thousands. And the reason so that this first happening.

57:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, early two thousands.

57:32 Speaker 2: Correct, And the reason so.

57:36 Speaker 1: The stigma is so big right then? Yeah?

57:39 Speaker 2: Can you imagine they're not even remotely entertaining it. No one's heard of any arro Burlison is still probably it may haven't been before he was in the Missouri you know, stay house, Like, this is before everybody's come out and started to make this a word.

57:56 Speaker 1: This is so one question. Yeah, yeah, before or after nine to eleven.

58:05 Speaker 2: I don't date it with that, But what I do say is it was before the Kniemts encounter.

58:13 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay.

58:16 Speaker 2: I want to I want people to understand the reason why for this. And if you you know, everybody listens to like whether it be Tim Phillips or San kra Patrick talk, it's always oh, let's get those guys. And I'm not saying there's not a reason for it. Ry I got my own part of that. But there's certain things they say that people don't realize what they're saying, and one of them is they'll say, for those of you that haven't come out to the public eye, we thank you. And a lot of people jump on that and say, oh, they don't want them telling us the public what's going on.

58:44 Speaker 2: But the reason is, and the real reality of how these things work is the first step of any radar system, of any discovery is an algorithm. So if I know every single one of these dates of when something was in the air and the date, time, location. I can see what's in the sky for satellites, communication links. I can start figuring out information you do not want the enemies to have. And as we sit here right now, the NIMETS is so publicized, they've got one point that's in every algorithm. We don't want to give them conditional points to figure out how does this thing fly?

59:23 Speaker 2: I mean, this is how you break stuff down, the same thing we did. So that's the reason for not giving everybody an exact day and time.

59:32 Speaker 1: Okay, fair, yeah, fair. So before the kniemts that actually I did not that fact must have escaped me. I was thinking like twenty fifteen. So no, but the stigma, so the stigma is real.

59:50 Speaker 2: Still, it's not even a stigma at that point time, you know, with with people that are within our team and the jobs that they have and God bless Kansas, but it's it's a little bit behind the progressive movements of anything. If you say you're seeing if you start saying you're seeing UFOs, you're probably losing your job or questions. Okay, so it's you just you would never.

1:00:18 Speaker 1: Your credit bilt is practice.

1:00:19 Speaker 2: It's gone.

1:00:20 Speaker 1: Yeah. So but to like in context of calling like federal agencies, they're also still at this time, Yeah, they're still denying that they're investigating that. They take it seriously and publicly facing they have they have nothing to do. They'll they literally refer you to move on.

1:00:48 Speaker 2: That's what they did. Basically. They didn't say moving not to move on by name, but you basically go talk to the other crazy people guy. Right, you know we got you got me on the phone for ten minutes.

1:00:59 Speaker 1: Leave.

1:00:59 Speaker 2: You know that I can't help.

1:01:01 Speaker 1: You even though you said you had material.

1:01:03 Speaker 2: Not at that point time, because it never got to that. We're trying to work it through because I don't want to just board out, oh I got material. I want to let them know we picked it up for this reason. Right, we have it.

1:01:16 Speaker 1: You know you want to I have material?

1:01:21 Speaker 2: Correct, But again you could just tell it was of no interest. They just viewed me as a crazy guy. Now, the FBI is going to come up several times in this story, and it's interesting to see how that went three sixty towards the end, but that was my start of the FBI. I was getting hung up.

1:01:39 Speaker 1: On Okay, so what how before we go to the up to the break and then because when we get back, we're going to get real, real deep uh into this. But how many when is it that you go, Okay, if no one's gonna take me seriously, I might as well get this. I might as well use this to my benefit to some degree.

1:02:13 Speaker 2: It's after those calls, you know, I made a couple other calls because legitly I'm trying to get someone on the phone at some military branch or whatnot. I have an actual conversation, a serious conversation. Nobody wants to talk to a UFO person. So we get through all that, and we've got several acknowledgments. I always keep my receipts of basically like, well, it's not ours, not in the sense of like we're revealing information to you, but like you know, you call the Air Force base and they're like, well, I know to tell you guy, but it's not ours, right, So it's like, Okay, nobody's claiming it, nobody wants to have a serious talk.

1:02:50 Speaker 2: Let's start looking at what we actually have, right, Because as you'll see, you know, as this moves forward and I start releasing more stuff. When I started to bring in information, that's what caught people's attention. So this is the pinnacle, the genesis block of like, well, let's just start going at it like we would not a full blown company. We didn't open the headquarters, we didn't register. You know, my companies are all registered and you know Wyoming, So it's an anonymous LLC, none of that.

1:03:20 Speaker 2: It's just us saying let's get the information on it, go back again to them, present it, and then hopefully we get to the person that says, oh shit, these guys are telling the true Yeah.

1:03:31 Speaker 1: We should have taken them seriously.

1:03:32 Speaker 2: Let's get them on the phone to the right people.

1:03:35 Speaker 1: Because yeah, because ultimately, again you want to like this is what you do you want that. Look at colaborative effort.

1:03:44 Speaker 2: Look at aerol. Right, if you go in with the story, what they can say whatever they want. Yeah, right, Yeah, you go in with evidence, it's a different conversation. So even at the lowest level of over the phone, if you can't go in and say well can you have someone visit me or can I go on and you know, speak to you and I'll bring my information, you have a story that they consider a nothing Burger right, right, So that's that's where it started.

1:04:10 Speaker 1: Now did did who? Who analyzed? So you when you start analyzing this, how do you go about that? Are you contacting certain labs? Are you going to universities or are you working with moufon or.

1:04:28 Speaker 2: What's they're not there? Again, this is because there was one person that wasn't convinced of what it was. And in fairness, we did have a particular member look at you know, you cover this alien sort of what ifs and we'll just start looking at hard science. So my team was not that. My team's the hard science team. Right. So some things you can do yourself. Other things like an actual analysis of a piece of craft that's a good one, is beyond a person's capabilities for what you would spend on what you would need to do that.

1:05:06 Speaker 2: So that was sin Off. That's on record SSCI, that's on record at AERO. This has all been set none of this is. This may be new to everybody listening to this, but again I have never tried to keep secrets from the government in some sort of conspiratorial way.

1:05:25 Speaker 1: Right, You've consistently showed the want to do the right thing. It's the non acknowledgment and the almost reverse kind of like discrediting, like saying like you.

1:05:37 Speaker 2: Know, it's well, there's two discreditings. There's the discrediting when you think I don't have to deal with this person, and then when we drop the fucking hammer, then it's the discrediting of I don't want anybody listening to this guy, and it's the absolute panic of oh shit, right, he's got everything he needs.

1:05:55 Speaker 1: Right, So what happens with the hard science? You don't have to you know again, I will cut things out if needed.

1:06:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, if anything I say, and all my interviews I always tell people just you know, so people understand because you're obviously a friendly guy but also a journalist, like I've kind of always encouraged people. You got a question, ask me, especially if it's a hard question. I'm not here for any sort of you know, gimme. So if people pick up on that, that's what I've preferred. How this go. So the hard science is you start also answering your questions, just like a thesis, And what it was is why would this be here?

1:06:39 Speaker 2: You know, that's of all the questions believe or not, that's actually the number one question because that's also is this a route? Is this a known route? Is this how it travels? And this was also part of you know, what the other team was doing looking at we need to know whites here in Kansas. So we started thinking, okay, you know, we've got people with us that raid our people. The first step of you know, rader, like I said, is the algorithm. So what we needed to see is will lightning strike twice?

1:07:10 Speaker 2: Right? If we don't get a hit on it here, that probably could have been the end of everything other than our piece. If we can get a hit on it here, now you start building you know what particular GPS satellites turns. I mean, you start forming all that that I was saying, we got to be worried about releasing. So we had the piece, which means, you know, we had to analyze. We had a lot of data, so we know what the signatures are going to be of this. We're still in the infancy, so we don't just have massive, you know, a rays of things we can put out.

1:07:44 Speaker 2: So in that sense, we joked about Ghostbusters, but that's kind of what the original it was like a Ghostbuster car of trying to run it down. In that same particular area.

1:07:56 Speaker 1: So so you went looking for it.

1:07:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, knowing what it should you know, we had some benefits because you gotta be careful what you say because you can receive signal, but when you start sending signals, there's a lot of license and whatnot you have to have. So when I skip over things, it's intentional. But if hypothetically you knew what the signature was, you can get pretty high in the sky to try and identify that same signature. So it's not that we're waiting for another down craft floating off the ground. We're just trying to see does it cross this path again?

1:08:32 Speaker 1: Right? Is this repeatable? Is this something that?

1:08:35 Speaker 2: Is this the flight path? And for people that don't know that's that's still common stuff like you have flight paths for a reason, and going over Kansas is a damn good reason. Right, who's really going to see you outside? And I mean, these are the reasons why you pick pass, especially with testing aircraft or explaining so.

1:08:56 Speaker 1: Right and again, middle of the night, right, what hours is from the original.

1:09:02 Speaker 2: So when this whole thing went down, it's about a three am.

1:09:07 Speaker 1: That's exactly when I would do it if I was right. Everyone, most people are a sleep. If not, they're hammered. If they're up at three am, there's a chance.

1:09:21 Speaker 2: That that that's again the story has just been doubted because you're a person up at three am, and what are most people at three am are coming up from the bar. So again it doesn't you you just have a story without data.

1:09:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, and exactly, it's just it's that that would be my time. So again you're seeing all these things.

1:09:39 Speaker 2: I try and give people a reference to how this really works, you know, because my mind and my experience is in that industry, and for anyone that follows, like the war Zone, you know, I don't agree with everything, but he'll do some real world stuff and one of them is there's an actual team that will go out least the night Stalkers and train in urban environments where people are at un announced. In the particular story he covered was he got pictures back of basically people in all black repelling down from nighthawks.

1:10:11 Speaker 2: I believe it was in Miami or something like that. So he immediately thought this is a fake, nonsense story. But when he started checking into it, they verified, Yeah, that's that's how they trained. So they're simulating sneaking into a city or a building, undetected, real fucking world that they're going to have to do in another country to see how it go. So again, for people that say, oh, no one would do that, this is exactly how they do stuff for obvious reasons. Now, them hitting some sort of problem in the craft being where it was at is an unfortunate, unattended thing for them.

1:10:49 Speaker 2: But this is how you test stuff.

1:10:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunate exactly. Now, with that being said, one more thing before we hit the break in the time that you're getting hung up on by the three letter agencies alphabet agencies. And I know you say you're on the hard science, but are you starting to develop more of an interest in UFO and UAP. Are you starting to look into certain cases to see if you can find any similarities? Like has that come up yet? I know it's come up. You have a prison, So are you starting to dive down that hole?

1:11:40 Speaker 2: Well, keep in mind when I say I'm certain it's human tech, maybe ninety nine point nine percent, but as anyone should be, never go to one hundred. I know I say a hundred because it's so close to it, but you always have to be willing to be wrong. You know, an open mind the end of it that we brought in for this one. I'm referring to the alien UFO side is a person that we see a lot of times. They're not in the community, but like in the community, who could tell you cases that even some of the most studied people don't know or don't remember, like that sort of level of like just what I've told you something and you say, oh, well, are you familiar with this?

1:12:22 Speaker 2: Because they you know, this happened in those ark It's that same sort of thing. So that was kind of the level of person we brought in of could tell us anything. And what I looked at was went back to look at the old fire in the sky. And it wasn't I wanted to go and disprove it. It was just that's how it happened.

1:12:42 Speaker 1: So that's why you're going back and looking at these cresses.

1:12:45 Speaker 2: Who And then another one that came up was the Philadelphia experiment because all I can't see a lot about it today as we're relaying you know, how things work and what we've got on data. The person was like, oh, just like you you know you I do. It's like, oh, well, that reminds me of the Philadelphia experiment. So it's like, hmm, well we better look at.

1:13:07 Speaker 4: That.

1:13:07 Speaker 2: I mean, we couldn't look at everything, right, I mean, that's you know, but you're trying to pick out the best ones, whether it be the most talked about like the schoolcase, or ones that this person's saying that fits kind of what you're telling me.

1:13:18 Speaker 1: Right right? Right? Yeah? Wow with the Philadelphia experiment? What did you how did you even approach that? It's a wild story.

1:13:32 Speaker 2: It's a wild story, nonetheless, and do.

1:13:37 Speaker 1: You believe I mean, do you believe that that that we may have something like we know mk Ultra and things like that did happen? Right? We know that there.

1:13:49 Speaker 2: Are shady and keeping secrets for sure, and I've dealt with that a lot. It's where as this is progressed because of knowing what I know now, the sort of stuff you have to go into skiffs about not one time, they go and verify it, call you back again over years. Right,

1:14:12 Speaker 2: It's that I kind of had to let go of the hunt of where did this come from? Because that's the big thing. Did we develop this ourselves? Or is this from a craft that we've recovered or re engineered and The way I had to do that is I'll never know. I've got access to running things down and getting data right now, I don't have access as peoples finding out for their own selves of pulling files from the military government, Like how are you ever going to get into these files? You would have to know to see that, which is kind of what brought me here, which is that gene Sticcko and his book was just another guy to me on Internet.

1:14:57 Speaker 2: Look through it and there are some gene Sticko picked my picked at me a little bit because there are some things in those papers that piqued my interests. Now again, you know, I'll say if but you know, you start looking at stuff and it's you say, if there was ever a path look here. So I reached out to him, you know, spoke to him a little bit more.

1:15:27 Speaker 1: Do you think there's something to it?

1:15:29 Speaker 2: Well, here's what I'll say. If this truly was re engineered.

1:15:38 Speaker 2: People have to understand re engineering is not what it sounds like. First of all, it's damn near impossible, and the product you get out at the end of it is not going to be as good as you think about. When China China those our stealth there's things yeah, it may look exactly the same, but the coding is not in there. I mean, there's just certain things you can't get. So yeah, your guess, and you're still guessing a lot. So what that said, it would also have to go through a very long timeline.

1:16:08 Speaker 1: But that's also why panels could be falling off.

1:16:11 Speaker 2: True. So my view of that book and the information in that book is, if there really was a program in those dates, and you have to think it's anything like TVs or anything, is it's still the same as the Soviet area as it is now. No, So what I'm looking at is the two thousand, because it's twenty six right now version or early two thousands, that would be what it would look like, probably in the infasy of re engineering this, which is what it covers. So that's kind of there's got to be something that piques my interest.

1:16:45 Speaker 2: Like when I look through all those cases and I said it's bullshit, Well, you know, most of its stories, most of its claims. Here's some actual data that does have some things that match up.

1:16:57 Speaker 1: I have a question, are there any and maybe even gene can pop in here, because I just are there any nuclear equipped military bases in the area? That you are.

1:17:14 Speaker 2: So the short answer is no on nuclear. But it depends on you know, you throughout our process of tracking these and running them down. Yeah, but does that mean we'll just say fifty percent, Not that that's accurate, but we'll say, what do you look at the glass half full or empty? On if that has something to do with it, because just like you can find one that is close, then there's another one that's not. So I think it has more to do with when people see stuff like you should you analyze what does this spy and if it just happens to be the majority is by you know, something that's nuclear.

1:17:50 Speaker 2: Now we say, oh, it's got to be close to has an interest in nuclear, and that may be accurate.

1:17:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right right, And I mean because that area is hard, it's like you said, it's all you're in no man's land.

1:18:11 Speaker 2: So it really does fit more with the narrative of if you didn't want anybody to see it, anybody go through, you know, one of the things.

1:18:17 Speaker 1: But you said like places like Lockeed and they all have places around there.

1:18:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody fails there, not necessarily like a skunk works, but everybody's general aviation, military jets, and then that's you still have to build your secret stuff somewhere. A lot of spy planes come out of that area. I mean there's a lot of stuff. They don't sit out of the fences like they do at Area fifty one. But I'm telling you just from work in that area, they should right a lot of shit because if you want to fly someone out without someone noticing that you've just built, that's the place.

1:18:52 Speaker 1: That's the place that be a place to do it. Yeah, yeah, all right, So let's let's take our break right here. We're gonna we have to play the ads unfortunately to keep the show free, you know, but no, it's a great it's I love the company that that that I've been partnering with. Good feels because you know, I'm not a drinker and they're great. But we'll take a break here. Let everyone go to the go to the bathroom, reset, and then when we get back, I'd like to talk about some of the so when you came out to Arrow, you know, I want to start talking about the post twenty seventeen.

1:19:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good place, and why everybody knows who I am, but they're so confused. We got to stress something exactly.

1:19:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll skip over the because you know it was the time before right where they're kind of still hanging up the phone. But the New York Times article happens, the disclosure, the modern disclosure movement starts happening. I'm assuming that's when you go back and you go, hey.

1:20:00 Speaker 2: It's kind of like, here's here's the exact parlay into it. We're starting to work the company, we're realizing we can do things no one else can do, and we're still trying to like help out and be like, you know that thing you think is not trackable, guess what it is and will help you, because at that point in time, we're starting to get money into it. And then it ends up where I get investigated by a FOSI and cis even as a civilian, and you.

1:20:22 Speaker 5: Start getting threats, and then they ended up because of jurisdiction, and at in person they made me fucking go in with the Department of Justice and the FBI office and all the you know, suits of attorney generals and fucking talk.

1:20:36 Speaker 2: To them really, and that's when the FBI threatened said that they accused me of blackmailing the United States government. And keep in mind he didn't save me the whole fucking time. He could have said this, you know early. I mean I was in there for a couple of hours. He was like, based on everything I've heard, you haven't committed any crimes. You do have a right to have a business in a product and sell that to the United States government even if they don't like what your capabilities are. And basically because of that, I was like, oh fuck, hey, basically you still got to fall rules, like you know what iar is.

1:21:18 Speaker 2: And he started telling me like, you're going to have to go through that. And then as I'm leaving, he was like, because we're going to be watching.

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1:23:11 Speaker 1: Can you walk us through the first time that you felt your life was in danger.

1:23:17 Speaker 2: You know, it never comes with a death threat to start. So how they starts financial offers investments in the companies, which is all normal protocol, you know, we all quickly learned. So when you start getting people approaching you because they have to find a way to get to you what there really shouldn't be one, then it some red flags go up. And then when you find out they want to invest red flag, So it starts very mundane. Now as things progress and you realize exactly what's going on, so you say no.

1:23:52 Speaker 2: Then it becomes where they essentially go to the next step and the next step of death threat. That happens to do with they're following you around. You have a tael you know when I used to go back and forth the skiff and the heart building the SSCI skiff. I used to tell those guys, this is the most half assed setup I've ever seen. Right, I walk in two doors, you don't have to have any ID. Then you go to security. The security is a booth setup with like a five layer ceiling. You can see right over, right past it, right through it.

1:24:29 Speaker 2: You go through the metal detector, which is all it is, and the X ray and then you're in. So the SSCI skiff is right there on the second floor. It's not a secret, and you can sit there and watch who goes in, who comes out. They even publicize when their weekly meetings are on Tuesdays and what time it is. There goes Rubio, there goes Warner. Right, It's ridiculous. So part of that is what would you think then state actors would do on a daily basis, keep an eye on who's going in and out because you can hang out in that building all the time.

1:25:05 Speaker 2: Someone goes into that skiff it's something big. You don't get into that skiff if it's not major national security. So moving forward on this multi layer, they're chasing me around because they've come up with who I am name wise from some other activities that went on which I'm not going to release today of who I am, and then just kind of process. They've obviously got someone watching the skiff at the other side, and these things start to work out or where they start to figure out essentially that I'm ratting them out.

1:25:42 Speaker 2: I'm going into SCI like with the Langley, you know, I'm telling them who's doing what and what's in the sky, and they're getting pretty pissed. So now not only have I not took the financial offer for them to grab my tech, I'm using it against them. And at that point in time it progresses into.

1:26:00 Speaker 1: Threats, right, and how did that come?

1:26:03 Speaker 2: They come usually over the phone, and they've got your phone number. They tell you we've got your phone number, we can track you by your phone number, and they start making the threats. You know, I was just speaking with Gene about it. This is kind of the industry he's from. But they tell you can't handle the consequences. They can tell you they're going to find you by your phone. This is just more pressure to get you. So it's crailed, it's veil, but it's always clear at the end because at the end they tell you we're going to wipe you off the face of the earth.

1:26:33 Speaker 2: They tell you what sort of horrible things they're going to do to you and your family. There's no uh beating around the bush.

1:26:41 Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a possibility that when people talk about the met in block, you know, this is a big thing in the UFO community. Do you think that this is some sort of like deep state arm that comes out to shake people.

1:26:57 Speaker 2: I can tell you that too close to us. One of the things that was one of the questions that was asked to me by a senator was let me kind of shape this a little bit. So we're sitting there talking and all these various death threats and everything. Again, this has all been turned over. Arrow's got it. SCI's got it when it comes in. That's what I do, right, I'm following the rules on fallowing the laws. I've got a DoD drop box for arrow, you know, sensitive dropbox all these things. Senator has two piles and one pile has these death threats from China and others that came with some pretty intense verification that they are who they say they are, and they can they're at the level where they can pull this off.

1:27:45 Speaker 2: And then there's another pile, and I kind of thought, why would you separate these, just you know, my analytical mind. And he puts his finger on it and he says, do you ever think our own United States government might be sending you offers or death threats just to see if you'd go for it? Into that conversation, I hadn't considered that before, because, well, I get something, I just turn it in. But when I stopped and thought about it. It's not a verification of men in black and that sort of story.

1:28:18 Speaker 2: But our government, as we know, when they want to keep a secret, the gladly pinned something on you or put you in a bad spot. So it's not a man in black, but there may be worse things out there than the men in black shut up by your.

1:28:34 Speaker 1: Door, right right? Wow, that's wow, that must be I mean, it starts to make a lot more sense on why you're and I kind of respect it in a way that you're not willing to You're not willing to let them win easy. You know, you're You're just not And I there's something about it that I respect and I mean thank you because I think people like you bring legitimacy. So I mean it must have been really disheartening, you know, with hindsight on just myself watching Tim Phillips of Arrow say these kind of things about you, it's or imply them.

1:29:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he flat outset him.

1:29:25 Speaker 1: It was.

1:29:27 Speaker 2: It was for a reason, and for anyone that needs to find the reason. You go back and you watch that interview and the question that's actually asked to him is they're talking about the UAP Caucus and has nothing to do with the Senate, has nothing to do with witnesses, nothing. And then the question is what was it like essentially to work with members of that you know, caucus, And he does this weird kind of thing where he's moving his body and he's somehow formulates an answer that has nothing to fucking do with the question.

1:30:03 Speaker 2: So it in my mind that's pre planned. But he was just trying everything he could to find the place to get it in there, drop it in there, because when he dropped it in there, he fucking came with everything he had. So the statement of we believe one witness was trying to extort Erro in the government, and then going into how he wasn't a medical professional, but based on what he was told, he wouldn't want me around his family, and then further dictating that supposedly it was handed off to the FBI to look at me.

1:30:40 Speaker 2: What that actually achieved was number one hit on my business. So now I run a business that's trying to extort the United States government. People don't understand how close I got over years of dealing with these people. We'd go to the public I was in DC, and we'd have drinks or food. A lot of times when I'm in town, we know about each other's families, right, because I've got security issues, you know, they're coaching me through it. They knew how involved I was all my skids kids activities. I mean, like we win would me and my wife win awards for you know, volunteering at the school and stuff, and so like everybody knew how wrapped up I am with family life.

1:31:24 Speaker 2: So then what do you think he went.

1:31:26 Speaker 1: For business and family?

1:31:28 Speaker 2: Business and family and the family that I wasn't safe. This is coming from a guy who, although he was on the deferred retirement, was still on a paycheck. He hadn't retired yet, he's still getting a paycheck.

1:31:39 Speaker 1: No, they just asked him to sit it out, sit the rest.

1:31:42 Speaker 2: Out, correct, So he's still a government employee. Came out and said that I wasn't safe to have around once family. Now my name comes out. What do you think every parent of every one of my kids friends? Do you think that school would ever let me back in there? It will be a massive story on You have this mad man that he's framed me as. So he's trying to basically say, shut the fuck up, don't come out talking, because if you do and your identities out, you're ruined. You're ruined your everything's your personal life, and you may not.

1:32:16 Speaker 1: Be able to kill you out right, but you might as well.

1:32:21 Speaker 2: Be time to shut up.

1:32:23 Speaker 1: You'll want to be dead by the time we're done with you.

1:32:26 Speaker 2: Well, the way that I found out about what he did on that podcast was is my phone started going crazy, going off. It was blowing up, and I was like, let me check it. And again I'm not gonna say the names of people who still have my back that I've worked through with these various you know, committees and branches, but that's who it was. And the exact statement essentially was you've been marked for death. Man like you, you're in trouble. And I was like, the what the hell are you talking about? Just checking my phone here, and as they work through it, it makes perfect sense.

1:32:59 Speaker 2: So right now, some stuff Tim Phillips forgot to remember, and that statement was there god verified death threats against you from countries. Now Tim Phillips has just went on what will be viewed by everybody because national state actors, anyone that's former this or that, especially in ses like he said, you know, serves at the pleasure of the president. They watch everything you do to see if there's any hints. He's just went on essentially and said that the guy that they know that they're tracking me, so they know me that way has physical material and pieces, and he verified it when Mick West said it.

1:33:36 Speaker 2: So when I got the message from these guys, they were like, you gotta watch out for fucking home invasion kidnapping. Nothing's off the fucking thing. You have material pieces of a technology that's going to rule the fucking world. It's just been announced. You have them on your possession. You're fucked.

1:33:53 Speaker 1: This must have been the day.

1:33:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, order think about what a country would do and what they do to steal our technology, the sort of levels of thousands of people end up getting caught, going jail, the money they spend. Now you're saying, hey, that guy, if you can track him down in his fucking house, which they're what they were trying to say, has the technology.

1:34:12 Speaker 1: He's got something in his home.

1:34:14 Speaker 2: It's the easiest path to the greatest creation in the world. You just got to get him.

1:34:20 Speaker 1: And if people want to not take what you just said seriously, I implore you to look around at the missing scientists, the missing generals, the dead people all seemingly connected with aerospace, nuclear, and you know, engineering capability. So this is real. Like I can't stress that enough. And it is becoming clear that there is some sort of civil war happening behind the scenes in government and military industrial complex where some people want this out there right, they want to start advancing it because clearly it's not working in a silo.

1:35:14 Speaker 1: But then there's the other half that's like over my dead.

1:35:18 Speaker 2: Body, correct, And just you know, my personal thoughts on this, just like we looked at different things and maybe it's just maybe it's not that with a lot of people. I agree the list is probably too extensive on there. But what I will also stress is this stuff really does happen. I can't say it happened to these people, but individuals don't understand the sort of pressure they put on you when you have and they've found you for technology to either take a deal still it, whatever the fuck they got to do.

1:35:48 Speaker 2: The amount of offers I've had from pretty women to take an all expense paid trip to China, which is gonna be a one way ticket, I mean, they hit with every fucking thing they have, so I don't know if this happened to these people, but this is a real current in the in the process going through.

1:36:06 Speaker 1: I mean, do we need to look at like that scene stuff for for further proof of I mean, this is the world I think people, it's dirty, it's dirty, it is dirty. Do you think that? I guess. I don't want to get too speculative with us, but let's play hypothetical out, sure, just because I want I want to be able to hear it. Pretty girl asks you to go to China, all expenses paid you you you get there, what happens, what do you what.

1:36:47 Speaker 2: Do you correct? So obviously depends on the situation, but it's very easy for them to get you over and take money, take what you want. I mean, there's always a progression into it. For me personally, there's no pretty Girl there, right, it's a one way ticket. But the offers that I got, and this has all been reported. I mean again, everything I got I turned in. There's no secrets. You get a random oh sorry, wrong number thing and then talking, then the picture of it, and then it's like, well you know I live and here I live there.

1:37:18 Speaker 2: Oh really this happened to live in DC? When you just happen to be going to DC that way, you want to get a drink, right, then it progresses into like, you know, do you know about China?

1:37:28 Speaker 1: Like, you know, do you like China?

1:37:29 Speaker 2: So then if you say no, and you know, I don't even think against Chinese people, Asia plenty of friends by all means, but when you know you're talking to a fucking spy, you're a little nastier, you know, So you can play that angle or you can play the other angle. But you know what essentially the alp but agencies were telling me is is like you've got to have more than just a text. You got to get some sort of location from them. You got to get some sort of phone number, something we can exploit to catch him.

1:37:58 Speaker 2: Right, So this is why you got to talk a little bit and get some information. So then they've got a place you can stay while you're up there in DC. We'll guess we're that information land right over to the fucking authorities, right because now you've got a location. So that's the process of it, you know, I mean, I've been married for.

1:38:17 Speaker 1: A long time, but they're trying to get you to trip.

1:38:22 Speaker 2: It's the normal trips, even for people who are married. The old pretty latty scheme, the honey traps.

1:38:27 Speaker 1: The red sparrow.

1:38:29 Speaker 2: This stuff works.

1:38:31 Speaker 1: And because men are men all out tend they're they're what they're leveraging is they're they're leveraging the I mean again, this is a society that allows like OnlyFans to exist, right, Yeah, and the Epstein stuff and we can go down we don't have to go down that road. But it's just an example of like this is the real world. Whether you guys want to see it or not, this stuff happens. So yeah, But.

1:39:02 Speaker 2: Moving on, the greatest control is to be able to blackmail somebody and everything you mentioned there, whether it be Epstein or the honeypot trap. At the end, that's what it comes down to. What Now they got a secret.

1:39:13 Speaker 1: They want what you have, and they'll do anything to have that leverage over you.

1:39:19 Speaker 2: Correct.

1:39:20 Speaker 1: The only you only have the option of giving it up.

1:39:25 Speaker 2: You have to agree or yeah, or they're gonna send honeypop pictures to your wife. That's the sort of ship that the black man, right, that's where it comes from.

1:39:33 Speaker 1: So what you you had mentioned something to me about Admiral Tim Goddet. I don't know. I'm sure you saw the recent.

1:39:51 Speaker 2: Clip I did in the battle back and forth, a bit like I've had. Yeah.

1:39:56 Speaker 1: Do you know what that tells me? It tells me that they are willing to lie through their teeth just right at you. Like Kirkpatrick, the man who ran arrow, is willing to just boldly lie even though it was very verifiable that he was lying. But he's just willing to do it. And he's sipping his coffee and he's acting like like this is no big thing. Yeah, why is doctor Evil?

1:40:28 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, his own nickname, self proclaimed nicknames doctor Evil. What I what I will say about that is there are certain rules that are supposed to be followed, and one of them is, especially within the IC. And just what I'm into now is you don't put someone else's name out there unless there's a reason. So when Tim Phillips, you know, essentially led everybody to it. To me, there's a reason, Kirkpatrick, whether you like him or not, has never burned nosed my ass, right, So I stay away out of It's kind of the mutual respect.

1:41:03 Speaker 2: It's not a fear of saying something. It's like there's no good to come from having a verbal battle I think Tim Phillips has realized that now because I didn't back down, and there's no clear example than what you just mentioned, because what we have on record now is that Tim Galadett, Tim Phillips, and Kirkpatrick all only agree on one thing. Everybody's focused on whose story's real? What do they agree on? It happened at Aero, Kirkpatrick's version his office, Phillips version his office, but also Kirkpatrick's office.

1:41:38 Speaker 2: Galadet it happened at Ero. Okay, so we got that these are their words, not mine, right, because I've had a sign paperwork that I can't say certain things. So what happens over the battle, there's a reason why Sue Goff is involved in keeping stories straight, well, whether it was intentional, because remember you read a little bit of his statement. He says, this is from my unclassified, you know, essentially public record, and I thought that was odd, and then he puts up a screenshot. What's on the screenshot his meeting at Arrow.

1:42:17 Speaker 2: These are I'm using other people's words here. Of course, has been said by both Phillips and Kirkpatrick. We don't release the location of the Arrow office because we don't want people to know where it's at, what's on that fucking thing, the galadet, the location of goddamn address. So there's no fucking good from getting into these verbal battles. So what that tells me is how shitty Arrow really is being rant Because these guys are supposed to be professionals, They should fucking know this is what's gonna happen.

1:42:58 Speaker 2: There's always going to be a casualty. Either is always going to be damaged.

1:43:02 Speaker 1: So you think Errow is fit for the job at hand.

1:43:07 Speaker 2: Ero is being assigned a job they don't want, versus are they fit so analyzing things that they don't have a UAP or ORBS attached to them, they're probably pretty good at it with the experts that they have. What is this? Is it a Chinese this?

1:43:22 Speaker 1: You know?

1:43:22 Speaker 2: Is it this?

1:43:24 Speaker 1: But they don't want the job of UAP.

1:43:28 Speaker 2: Even me, I'm willing to still say we tried to analyze as best as we could, We still kept somewhat of an open mind, but fall the evidence for them, it's definitely a no as it comes in. So with that, I can't say they're good for the job because they won't give it an honest look.

1:43:46 Speaker 1: I found out today. So I recently interviewed a Connecticut state legislator, Joe Hawkshaw, and I woke up to a text today that said that he had entered a bill for Connecticut familiar with yeah, for the state to study UAP, and they were going to stand up an investigation that included you know, professor university and all that it went into appropriations, right, meaning the money was going to go there no matter what, like it was already pretty much greenlit.

1:44:25 Speaker 1: At the last minute they went and the money is still being allocated for a UAP study, but now it's going to be done by AI because they don't want to actually hire anyone human and they went with the Democratic candidates version of the of the program. So they last minute redrew up an alternate plan that included only an AI investigation. So it's just like, yeah, what are we doing here, guys, what are we doing?

1:44:59 Speaker 2: Just I'm clear on this, and I mean again, this isn't about me telling the story. There's a reason why it needs have been admitted by multiple politicians. The Pentagon. You have someone in more than once in a skiff with sitting senators who are on committees that can verify everything you say. Why you're there, they send someone out the door to verify it because, unbeknownst to some podcasters, you can't have electronics inside of a SKIP.

1:45:25 Speaker 1: So for anyone doesn't know, it's it's essentially a Faraday cage.

1:45:29 Speaker 2: Right, you're locked in a bank vault yep, yep essentially. So if you say this was there at this GPS and they go and they call n GA or whoever the hell they need to call, and they get an answer back and they come and give you a NAD yeah or no, and you don't get multiple meetings over years unless you're getting all yeah right right. So with that said, I say this uncertainty a as much as I like what they're doing, a college or institution will never fucking solve this or find it in the sky. You don't have what you need, not just funding the knowledge.

1:46:04 Speaker 2: You don't know what you're looking for.

1:46:06 Speaker 1: I agree, But what I the point being is you're what they You can control Artificial intelligence you can't necessarily control. You don't always have control over human right, So you know, if they were to find anything, you know now it's an AI and you know they write yeah.

1:46:29 Speaker 2: I mean my point, I'm trying to hammer down is it's the same way as the Galileo Project. It's not gonna fucking find anything. I'm just I'm telling you.

1:46:37 Speaker 1: Now, this is the program by Avulo, right.

1:46:40 Speaker 2: None of this shit's gonna find anything by all means. I'm the only one that's got the track record can bring it in. And none of that stuff works. So what I'm trying to tell people is not brag about myself. I'm trying to say what you do is very important, and when you instantly do something that's not gonna work, and it does mean because it's not with good intentions, right, Like I love you know, I saw the interview. He's got all good intentions, but he doesn't how would you know the answers of how to set this up.

1:47:10 Speaker 2: It's bad in the end because now what you have is another state that's going to say, well, I know the one up in Connecticut spent this much of money, didn't find it. And so that's where I'm trying to angle people into, Like who you put, where you put your money, and who you put your back into in this community does have an effect.

1:47:27 Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, and that's that's fair. You're fighting the invention secrecy Act, which you had mentioned before, and you claim that you're you're winning, I would assume.

1:47:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, if I was losing, I wouldn't be here because you can't say anything.

1:47:45 Speaker 1: What does that battle look like right now?

1:47:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, Again, we're exposing secrets, not just military technological secrets, but how the government really operates. You know, when I got out of the FBI office, they mentioned it TAR, right, because I've had to go through all of this SORR. Iar's International Traffic of Arms Regulations to the Department of State, and basically what it has to do with is any technology they determine they should control, which, by the way, it's a massive umbrella. It's not just stealth planes. You could be talking about anything.

1:48:20 Speaker 2: Right at one point time, they even try to regulate gunsmiths.

1:48:23 Speaker 1: But the Invention Secrecy Act again was put in as a clamp down on It's the.

1:48:32 Speaker 2: Other part of the box. The first part of the box is i TAR, because it TAR is separate. But what IAR says is you have to turn in the schemacs, basically the information about it. They want to essentially know everything, how it's made, what it can do, and then they look at it and they determine what else could it do, not even just what you're pointing out, And then they regulate who you can talk to, every marketing material that you're going to have to sell, this has to be approved. Every person you want to talk to it has to be approved.

1:49:03 Speaker 2: If you sell it, it has to be approved. So they control everything. There's no court system to go to, so if I want to sell something or I want to talk to so many other country it all has to be approved in itar. Although we didn't go through with the application because they were really honest, like wanting to know how to make it, and it's like, we're not gonna We're not going to go through approval if we have to tell you how to make it, Like that's just another screw job of you know, more requests for more information, requests for information.

1:49:34 Speaker 2: It's a disaster. So if you violate that, and they can also just tell you violated it, you don't have to have approval. You're talking about millions per fine federal pen time. I mean, it's fucking come down on you come down to it. So the other side of that is you say, okay, let me patent this. You go through the US Patent Office. It's the same thing in the patent office for people that don't know. If you are a US citizen, you have to go through the patent office. It doesn't matter if you're in another country, doesn't matter.

1:50:05 Speaker 2: If you paid for everything yourself. It doesn't matter if you only clean the floors where it was made by law. You have to go through the US Patent Office. First, they look at it, Department of Energy, Department of Defense, slash war and even then, you know, Commerce basically looks at it and says, will this throw the US financial system to a mess? Does this mess us up on defense and military and so on? If they determine that, then they have the ability to implement the Invention Secrecy Act, which means you have a patent, but it's thirs, it's not yours until they release it and why they have it, you cannot speak about it.

1:50:43 Speaker 2: That means to the public. That means you couldn't do a podcast like this and talk about the invention or how you're getting screwed. You can't even tell your own spouse if you do. This is going to sound familiar federal pen time and millions in fines the fucking box. So now, who do you sell it? To you're stuck in the only fucking customer the US government.

1:51:08 Speaker 1: They get a string and uh, I believe I probably don't have the exact numbers in front of me or but a lot of energy related uh like propulsion like that stuff, anything energy related and like hard material science advancement are often kept at bay using these methods.

1:51:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have some ideas of some of the numbers and what people he knows it's growing, so this is being not just they are. It's growing so benefit they figured out what to use and then they're they're making damn good effort of you know, more and more and more people's patents and so you know what I want to really hit home with people on this is is they've also figured out tricks. You say, well, take him to court by law, kind of like the eminent domain says, you know, everybody's jumping on, they have to pay you a reasonable value.

1:52:08 Speaker 2: Well, there's been court cases. No lawyer will even take him because when you get into the court cases on record, what happens is is the Department of Defense and Department of War says, yes, we use that person's device that could defeat this, defeat that and it's all correct, And they say, well, why didn't you negotiate a price? And what they say is is because the price in the amount we use is classified, which is the legal loophole. So there's no mathematical equation to be paid and there's no minimum to be paid.

1:52:41 Speaker 2: So what you get is zero because for them classify, it's classified what they would need to pay you. And that's been accepted across every fucking court that has come through.

1:52:51 Speaker 1: How do we advance? How do we advance as a society when advancement is compartmentized?

1:53:00 Speaker 2: Well, it's that's again we're talking about half problems and a whole problem. So that's the beginning of it. The other part of it is every single person on send Armed Service Committee and the House you know HIPSI just like SSCI, they know damn well what the Invention Secrecy Act is. You go to their own personal youtubes. You can do it right now. Listen to them speak. They've gone on a suit, you know, American flag pen just talking on stop about authitarian governments that you know, still from their people and keep them, you know, in the poor.

1:53:38 Speaker 2: And it's like, if I was to ask you here today, you tell me what country this is, And I'll tell you what happens. They take what you have that's from your money, and they threaten you with jail time and millions and fines to ruin you. And you can't tell anybody even the story about how you're getting screwed. Who the fuck says the United States of America? You might say China, you know, you might go Korea, this and that, and you'd be right right, But it's hattening here. And the problem is is this is one of the dirty problems.

1:54:09 Speaker 2: So how do we answer that. We got to get ship out in sunlight? As they say, people, I mean, when's the last time you're around the water cooler at work and someone brought up the Invention Secrecy Act? Right? It just does.

1:54:21 Speaker 1: Doesn't happen, It's hidden, doesn't happen. It's kind of scares me in theory and like just thinking about that because at any moment, the next big thing, because they're not going to there, they're not going to green light any alternative propulsion that puts their earnings and lifestyle at risk. When they have investments into the oil and then are inside trading and have such, you know, have made a career out of a job that was never supposed to be a career thing.

1:55:11 Speaker 2: You nailed it. So for people that don't know and want to do a little bit of research. One of the things that they really try to lock up with the Invention Secrecy Act with solar panels, and I'm sure the more beneficial ones they have is but so much it got out about it from other countries they couldn't. But what they were going to say is the ability to harness the sun into electricity is a defensive advantage and now the rest of the world can't have it. You know, I'm not a tree hugging green injury guy, but it's like, give me a fucking break, like you know that was going to be buried, and that's the process of how they think, you know the damn well.

1:55:49 Speaker 2: And I guarantee what we have right now is no where and they're capable with the military is pulling from from solar panels, which is more of the answer the world needs.

1:55:57 Speaker 1: Elon must said no again, I'm not sure exactly if he's right, but he said on Joe Rogan, the Joe Rogan experience, that like the small town, like the size wise, if you filled it with solar panels could run the United States like for three to five years, you know, not again, yeah I miss quoting a little bit, but something that was like super reasonable, and it was like, wait, why aren't we doing this? It's because they can't put a meter on things like that. And this is where it all began.

1:56:35 Speaker 2: You got it because you know, without getting into my life and some of the projects I've worked on, you know, I used to be involved in essentially a group that would do that where we go in and especially for you know, groups of people as I'll word it, who aren't doing real well or there's not jobs and the sort of environments find grants to put solar panels up in the field and you run all the lines and now they've got free energy for the amount of time that you know, the life extended warranty of that, like this ship does actually work.

1:57:10 Speaker 2: But do you think your electric company wants to knock out the industry that they have and they're legally allowed to lobby against it so that you can control your electric bill. So it's multiple things where the United States advantages of being a free country is being taken advantage of from the calls coming from withinside.

1:57:33 Speaker 1: Spot on spot on as of a couple of days ago, because I don't want to give an I don't want to give an exact timeframe, but the beginning of a UFO files have begun to be released. Uh, do you expect anything to happen? Do you expect that any disclosure will occur over the next thirty to ninety days? Like people like David Grosh A saying so no.

1:58:09 Speaker 2: However, my opinion will vary. And the reason it varies is because you know, I have a little bit of knowledge on it. Again, I can't go into the details, but I'm still headed to d C. I'm actually not a you know, I haven't been black balled or blacklisted from the people that really matter.

1:58:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, in these industries.

1:58:33 Speaker 2: Now it doesn't mean that we've got a deal worked out yet, but they still have to talk to me. And so I do have various information. From what I've been told is that one of the next rounds that comes out is going to deal more with stories. So rather than getting the visual of this, now you're going to get a story if someone's been abducted in Kansas sort of thing. And what my fair is is that just like the photo, everybody's gonna jump on that and say, well, it came from the FBI files, it came from NASA, it must be true, right when it's not.

1:59:08 Speaker 2: It's just a record. So I believe the stories are coming. My other worry is such as the video of the hellcat that hit the UAP and undetected, which looking at the video, that's not what happened. And I've seen that video before. I've covered that a little bit before. That video is super.

1:59:32 Speaker 1: Stot before it was released in the congressionally hearing.

1:59:36 Speaker 2: That video so people understand was shopped around to multiple people. Burlison said it was dead dropped. I don't know what that means exactly, but no, no, no, how it was dead dropped to him, because I'll explain how it became to me and others, and how that worked is everybody has messaging service, signal, telegram, whatever it may be, and you don't actually have to send your phone number, right, so I could text you and all you know is whatever name I put in there, maybe I'm Bob, and you get something from me, and then I delete my account and now you've got a video of something, and Bob's long gone and there's no way to track down Bob, So.

2:00:18 Speaker 1: I had something similar to happen to me.

2:00:20 Speaker 2: That's how it came to me.

2:00:22 Speaker 1: Someone threatened me and then just disappeared out of.

2:00:25 Speaker 2: My body, right So, and I don't know if that's what he means. I would hope to God that someone at the house can't dead drop something under your door like anthrax and nobody picks it up on security. But somehow he got a hold of it. Right Other people, I'm not going to say their names, but what you have to ask yourself is who would have my phone number, Burlason's phone number, and some committee members in both the House and Senate in order to shop a video that has oftentimes longer duration or a different cut, a different cut, a different cut.

2:01:00 Speaker 2: So you see it hit and you don't know what happened. It's got some tailings. Somebody else sees it and it goes down, well the alleged UAP, which is obviously not a UAP. So then that makes a video that and we've had people kind of walk through this, right, maybe hit a balloon and crash. Maybe it's this and that. So now you've propped up a video and they've kind of set you up to put this out and then they can always hold that back and be like, well, now that it's got all this hype, let's release a video that shows something different because they want to discredit you.

2:01:37 Speaker 2: So I'm setting that up to say, when the videos come, because we're hearing about them, some of them are gonna blow our mind and some of them are gonna, you know, change our view of the world. Don't do narrative control. You gotta really analyze these for yourself. And again that's why I say, do I think disclosures coming No, not from this. What we need to see is arrows two or three percent that they couldn't solve because that's already went through an analysis. We don't need to see things that appear to be just from a folder that was never analyzed, thrown on the judge's desk, right.

2:02:14 Speaker 1: Right, right, yeah, totally. I totally agree with that. Getting into some of the material, tell me if you can't, but after being after analyzing it, do you believe that this material was made on this planet?

2:02:40 Speaker 2: It comes from earthly material, meaning there's only so many elements we have, right, So some of the stories that others have said where it's not on the periodic table I know nothing about that. What I can tell you is definitely can pull everything you need on a raw format from the ground. You know, really, isn't is this idea of you have to have a certain material from another planet. It's what it goes through in manufacturing that makes it what it is. That's the specialty.

2:03:09 Speaker 1: Okay, next question the isotope ratios. Do they match the manufacturing process of this world.

2:03:22 Speaker 2: Yes. However, again you're getting into things where when you get to advanced technology, just like with physics, what do we keep hearing it defies physics. We're looking at the past and not the future. So when you think of the forefront of technology, the idea that something wouldn't match that with isotopes would almost leave more credence to This is the top level of what we have hidden that's one hundred years ahead. Not necessarily Aliens made it in their warehouse. So these are the problems I have, these questions.

2:03:56 Speaker 2: What I can tell you is we went through all this with s C right. Because I only talked to Ero very briefly. They were mainly covering the you know, the international threats that I had a drop box, I had a number I had to turn stuff over to right, followed all that, and at the same time, SSCI is really the one that I'm dealing with because those two groups hated each other. So SCI is the skiff. I keep going back in and then they call and get things verified. So at SCI we worked through this and what it came down to is okay, well, next step because we'll use Tim Phillips words right, because again ITAR has an umbrella and people don't understand this.

2:04:34 Speaker 2: When they went to court got brought to court, one of the questions for the Department of State was what is the definition of what you cover and not cover? Because they just try to reach out to someone and be like, oh, you've made an ITITAR violation.

2:04:46 Speaker 1: You're in deep shit.

2:04:48 Speaker 2: And in court they said they couldn't actually identify what was or what wasn't cover. It was their terminology that it wasn't just ever going umbrella. In other words, if they want a fucking pencent on, yeah they can. So I try to speak with what's been released. Tim Phillips said, I got photos and I got material, right, concentrate on the photos. If you can have any idea of who SSCI staffs. I'm not going to go into it. You got all the pros from all the agencies, including NNGA. Right, you've got everybody, and you've got a direct link over there to call and verify things.

2:05:25 Speaker 2: And so with experts, you have to turn in metadata obviously on the original device, right, all these things have to be checked, and there's a reason you keep going in and in and in. So again those are Tim Phillips words. What ended up happening is that they were using my case to see if Ero was telling them the truth, so they would release some data to them and then essentially ask is Aero incompetent or are they lying? Because we know this is real, We've verified it's real. But when we ask Arrow, Aero tells us some of the stuff that Tim Phillips has tried to twist into the story.

2:06:09 Speaker 2: Right, So where am I going with all this? Well, there are secrets, and why I'm not necessarily a deep state guy. The deep state's fucking there right now. I'm not saying they're keeping aliens from us. But everything everybody's talked about in the way these secrets are kept is true. It's just what is the secret? What is the secret the material? Because that was the original question here is on record at SSCI, and that was one of their hot points. And the reason it was is because even if you can prove a picture's real with metadada and everything else, if they say it's not ours, then you don't know.

2:06:55 Speaker 2: So then what's next. Now I'm not going to go too far into the story, but we came to the conclusion that what was next was a data link because you couldn't you couldn't argue that you pull the data link and they go and pull those files or they won't pull the files for you, that you're busted, right, and some other particular items they wanted to look at, like things like let's look at what's in this and let's go back and look at all the previous stealth codings and see if there's any similarities.

2:07:24 Speaker 2: Right, So this has all went through an actual process, and it really is who's lying to who? There's no cohesive unit that's investigating this, and people have to remember that that's before you throw even the wild card of the house into this. Right right at the top level, this is what's going on.

2:07:47 Speaker 1: Doesn't give me solace for some reason, it gives me a bit of a gonna be honest, it gives. It makes me a little unsettled.

2:07:58 Speaker 2: You asked me if I thought disclosure was coming. Now you see why I say, it's sure the hell not going to be released or come from the government.

2:08:06 Speaker 5: It just.

2:08:08 Speaker 1: You said, roswell, you didn't think happened.

2:08:10 Speaker 2: Something happened, just not the spacecraft.

2:08:13 Speaker 1: What do you like? You know, the material? They talked about that like.

2:08:18 Speaker 2: I've heard it, but again you know and I've seen the picture, But is that because you know it's it's one of them things where where there's not evidence, you say, oh, well they they've hit that or distorted it. But in reality, what would you do, well, you would hide it or distort it. But for me, because a lot of people don't understand, you know, some of the things that we told them were coming and that have happened, and most people don't know about him, and I can't talk about them here. But let's just go back to the Chinese spy balloons, right, And this is one of the things I told them.

2:08:48 Speaker 2: If anyone comes in and briefs you on that and they say surveillance, throw them out of the fucking room. Because anytime they say that after they're always liked. But I don't know why because they got satellites and they got you know, people on the ground. Because that's not it. You have to study the psychological warfare and what the advantage is. Right. So back, you know, when the World Wars was going on and you get into Roswell, one of the things that Japan was going to do was send its sinerary balloons, which if one't for the Chinese spibulion, would sound like a ridiculous, half assed plan.

2:09:21 Speaker 2: But now people understand how jet streams really really fun, and the plan was they were going to send so many of them they fall into you know, Yellowstone forest fires, cities, and just for anybody, especially those in California that know, you can't fucking put the fire out. So what that says is you're being attacked in your own borders. And it's not because there's balloons. You just think they're over here on your property. So what do you say? You say, look, sorry, such and such country, but we're getting the shit be out of us.

2:09:52 Speaker 2: You pull all of our soldiers back here, which is what the plan. So now what happens in World War two if the US brings everybody back because the fre fucking United States is on fire and we're being attacked from.

2:10:02 Speaker 1: Within, the Nazis takeover Europe.

2:10:04 Speaker 2: It doesn't look good. So this is still something to this day that is used. And so what happened with the Chinese spy balloon? Go back and look, every single politician turned on the other group. Every Republican say it's a Democrat's fault. The Democrats says a Republican's fault.

2:10:21 Speaker 1: Shoot them down. What the fuck's going on?

2:10:22 Speaker 2: You know, all hell broke loose exactly like they wanted to fucking see. That was the point of the balloons. So what's gonna happen.

2:10:32 Speaker 1: To collect data from the ground? It was to collect response.

2:10:36 Speaker 2: Right now, again, if China jumps into Taiwan and we get involved, the war won't be in Taiwan. Let's not how we'll fight the United States. What do we know about drones over sensitive sites in the United States in military bases? That's the signal we fucking got you. And what are you gonna have to do with all your equipment and your warships? Right where do they come from? Off the coast right and Langley? You have to bring all that shit back here. And then they go walk right into Taiwan and win. This is the true definition of the three D chess.

2:11:12 Speaker 2: But people just want to think so simple about how this all progresses. But everything has a reason. So on the Roswell, I'm still in the book that it was essentially a detection balloon for looking, which is what the plan was, so you could detect the balloons coming from Japan through the jet streams that crashed. Understood because it makes more sense to me because I don't have ability to go back to Roswell and a time machine and get the truth. And that's my problem with a lot of people's stories.

2:11:43 Speaker 1: Getting into a little bit of more speculative stuff here. Now that we've covered a lot of the black and white of what you've gone through, has it opened up your mind in the sense that, like, do you believe that the phenomena is real?

2:12:04 Speaker 2: So, like I said, I'm always an open mind. One of the recent things that has been a it's not a discovery, but that my knowledge of base has come into it is things are so poor right now agencies or military branches, especially within the funding. If someone comes to them with the dreaded UAP, I've seen a UAP, or I've got something they call me and they say, can you talk to this guy who's got this company? Right? And it's not because some random person said that. There's always some legitimacy of why.

2:12:41 Speaker 2: I mean, it's already kind of been through the filter of this does this guy look real or not? And one of the questions I've been asked by a lot of people is about radiation, and I always tell them like, no, such as the story I was talking about, there's no there's no radiation there, And they've always brought that up like that's the big defining moment. So this particular technology that I went down and looked at for this company is and I'm not gonna get in too much, but basically, you have radiation in the sky that is able to be actually with scientific instruments, the results pulled down that says it's there.

2:13:25 Speaker 2: You can't argue that sky's like for instance, over Kansas or Missouri or Massachusetts. You can't have that sort of radiation spike to the point where these particular individuals think that it's a craft. Now, their equipment isn't set up like mine is to you know, pull that sort of data right, but they measure the radiation spikes, and so the radiation spike say it's true. So how do I look at that? I say, hey, we've got to figure out what the fuck it is anyway, right, because how they were doing it and what that byproduct may be.

2:14:03 Speaker 2: Someone else is going to figure it out. And then you don't have to send a nuke over in the gold dumb Sure the hell, I'm gonna pick setting up that's launched from the ground fifty foot up by a foreign national. And now we've all got radiation which has a bit of a shelf life. Oh yeah, water system and things.

2:14:19 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:14:20 Speaker 2: With that said, that's the first time I've seen verifiable information and data that says there is that possibility. And that's one of the things I want to go and look at because I still have an open mind. But people don't like to hear it. Unless you finance this, it doesn't go because when I put stuff up and you put stuff up for radiation spikes, that's not the same fucking drum. It's gonna be difficult to find something to survive. I've we've figured out a way to do it, but I'm just saying, like people need a focus.

2:14:55 Speaker 2: You can lead, yeah, right, right, and then you got to still be able to get the data. So what good would it be anyway if it was in a casing. So these are the things that I'm trying to find out and I'm trying to move forward on. But again, even the representatives that could help me go forward on this with funding are all really centered around this idea of if it doesn't have to do with psionics, NHI or ORBS or any of the local celebrities, they don't want to hear about it. And it's like start with the low hanging fruit, right, instead of just saying this and that, let's start at the drones that are over a military bases.

2:15:32 Speaker 2: Let's work our way up. I fucking promise you will get to what's whatever's in the sky.

2:15:37 Speaker 1: Why do you think they don't go after cases like Bob Salas or Dave Shindily or Mario Woods or the Lowering Air Force Base? Do you think? Why do you think they don't seem to have an interest in finding out what's shutting our nuclear webs things off or turning them on, or just being breaching the facility you talk? Your case really reminds me of Ndlschem.

2:16:10 Speaker 2: Okay, question for it right right.

2:16:13 Speaker 1: Your case sounds a lot like that, where it's the light right, and then there's a craft inside of that light that that can be seen and it's and it then you know. But I'm not saying that that's exactly what it was. I'm just drawing. But why do you think but RF bent Waters was one of the most strategic UH bases for the US during the Cold War, so there was absolutely nuclear weapons at that at that facility. These things are showing the ability to interact with our most sensitive facilities and weaponry.

2:16:53 Speaker 1: If that's not a national security threat, what is?

2:16:57 Speaker 5: Well.

2:16:58 Speaker 2: And I don't know all the stories. I know some of them, and so in fairness to them, let me kind of do this as a as everybody's just John Doe here, Yeah, right, take any of those cases and I say to you, okay, ty, show me the proof. And I'm not saying I don't listen to or believe him. I'm just saying, as it applies to the government, a story doesn't mean anything. Even if you had a photo of a blob or a you know, an ORB in your claiming it did, this doesn't mean anything. And like we're going to see even an ORB that shoots off and this this, and that they feel free to release.

2:17:38 Speaker 2: You really got to bring the fucking goods.

2:17:41 Speaker 1: There's one video that comes to mind, and if this came out, I would love to see your reaction to it, because this guy named Robert Jacobs, he was he's essentially what he did was they would shoot up the missile, the rocket that the dummy nuclear warhead. So I think it was an atlas at the time, and if that's correct, if that sounds right, they shot the missile up and he was the one responsible for videotaping it or recording it. And he says that the warhead got up into the you know where it was supposed to be or you know, the general vicinity, and then this craft just flies into frame and he says that, you know, the dummy warhead is represented by my thumb, the UF this craft is represented by his finger, flies in, shoots a beam into the top flies then like moves up, shoots another beam, moves over, shoots another beam, and then moves over hits it again, and then the dummy warred tumbles out of the sky.

2:18:54 Speaker 1: The next day he's called in by the senior command and they ask if him were you guys messing around, and they showed them the footage of this craft entering frame and then exiting the same way it entered, so showing clear intelligent control. You know, in the in the late seventies, shooting a dummy warred out of the sky. A video like that, I think, do you think that could do? You know, maybe a little bit more than what we're seeing.

2:19:26 Speaker 2: There's along list of videos where I say, yeah, if you could get it. And then there's the problem though, you go back to my story, right, even if you bring the goods with metadata, then they say it's not ours, right, and then you have to bring the data link and you work on and on on until you can really fucking pin them on something. They've got a system, as they've ran before, to either come after you, right, make people not listen to you, you're crazy, not safe to have around your family, to go against your story.

2:19:58 Speaker 2: I mean, let's think of one more recent and like the Nimics encounter. Right, guess what the radar's gone? You got stories now, how many years has it been twenty plus? It's fading off. This is the fucking system. So if there's a video that's the only thing from that story now again, because I don't know the people anything else. This isn't me going after them, This isn't me saying they're lying. I'm just saying this is the way the system works where they're just going to try and date you out of the public eye, and if you don't have the proof, you got nothing against Not that the story couldn't be true.

2:20:37 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, when you verse the government, it's a different fucking story trying to get their secrets out.

2:20:45 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely I couldn't. Is there anything Is there anything else that you can share that you know that would help the community in terms of you know what to do if they experience something like you have.

2:21:09 Speaker 2: Right, So this is a really good thing to point out because again we've been talking through this and you know, different people when I talk to might say, oh I would have panicked, or oh I would have done this. You have to turn into a data collection person. You need to know where you're standing when it happens. Right. It doesn't have to be exact, but if you know the area especially, you'll know I was on this corner about halfway into this field. Take note of that what time it is is vitally important.

2:21:42 Speaker 2: Because if you don't know satellites, they're fucking fast. Okay, two or three minutes off and try and use your phone, which would be generally correct versus a car clock or something. Right, you got to get all the data you can. Now here's the sad part. Or if you only see a light that goes across the sky, if it does something that it shouldn't be able to do, you got nothing. Even with the date and the time, you're most likely never gonna be able to get a video of it, or your phone's not gonna want to pick it up.

2:22:15 Speaker 2: These are the challenges you should think about ahead of time. So what's more valuable? You kind of got to say that in your head. What's more valuable spending my time or my eyes on versus saying, oh shit, you know, I pulled my phone out and I was trying to adjust it and it was a blurry, and people are saying, well, what else is going around? Did you look anywhere else in the sky? You know what I mean? Like this is you didn't check the time because you're trying to get a video. Granted should be time on it, so it's a per case basis, But I mean, I'm not trying to be the Debbie Downer here, but if that's all you got, including with Ero, you don't got a fucking thing.

2:22:50 Speaker 1: It's just another story. Yeah, and again it's just another bad example of nothing that can be gotten.

2:22:55 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it didn't affect your life. If you've seen something, you got visit in the middle of the People will usually tell me stories and say, you know, I know this sounds crazier. If I wouldn't you, I'd never believe it. And I'm like, yeah, you just fucking said what the public is gonna think? And then if you tell it to me. Whenever I hear a story or I participate in spaces, I mean I try to be a pretty uh involved, don't shy away from you know, speaking to people. Right is like, was there any data in this I could use?

2:23:25 Speaker 2: So you spend two hours on a space, just tell me about all this stuff. I don't have the location, I don't have the data, I don't have the time. There's no real information I can go back and look at or try and get verified. You have a story, it affected your life. I respect that, But overall to the movement, you don't have a fucking thing.

2:23:44 Speaker 1: It's a harsh reality. But yeah, I'm being.

2:23:48 Speaker 2: Harsh today, so people understand this because you don't move forward with stories. Is where I'm going with this, And we've kind of learned that from some of the hearings. Well not everybody, but it's now. I'm not saying they're lying standpoint, but you got to bring more.

2:24:05 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And what do you make of like some of these politicians and representatives of whether it's private companies uh IN in stuff like that, just military industrial complex. What do you make of some of these people coming out against investigating U I p s because they think it's demonic or angels and demons and we shouldn't be dabbling with that. What do you what do you make of of them turning around like that, we need them to be the ones to push this through, not to not to turn around and try to be the experts.

2:24:49 Speaker 1: Right, Yet they seem to have positioned themselves as all of a sudden the experts now and they're saying, you know, it's demons. Our vice president came out and said thought UFOs were demonic, Like, come.

2:25:03 Speaker 2: On, So, because there's a good example that just happened, I'm gonna point to a little bit. And that was with the preachers that just came out and said they were on a conference call and they heard all this information.

2:25:18 Speaker 1: Good example.

2:25:19 Speaker 2: I'm not going to get into who said what or what I believe, but what I will say is, and let's let's go ahead and torch the place here. If I say to you on angels and demons, and I say, what's the evidence? Right, I'm not talking about personal stories or you've seen something and you had people with you, right, the studios had this had that.

2:25:38 Speaker 1: You're talking about, like what video?

2:25:41 Speaker 2: What proof do you have for angels demons? You can have proof that something happened, but you got to convince someone. What would you bring to the government that would be valid? And unfortunately they wouldn't take that, just like they won't of whatnot. Like you've been through already, they come up with maybe this happened because you know, don't you find.

2:25:57 Speaker 1: It weird that they make you swear on a Bible?

2:26:01 Speaker 2: Well, this is kind of where I'm going with this, So now we jump into you know the point of that was is you don't have anything other than belief, doesn't mean it didn't happen. I'm saying what to present because you know, again there's always someone that will say, well, there's too much right, you know, too much pressure on the screw. Right, that's the issue here.

2:26:20 Speaker 1: So that happened to me.

2:26:23 Speaker 2: Right, let's kind of go through now church, which is where we're going to torch the place. What evidence do we have? You pick the god because there's more than one of any religion of proof. Okay, And now again I'm not going to go into different religions, but like you get into things and it's remarkably similar, but they're also not just the sky, it's the angle where it's like there was this god that did this and you know, whether it be turned water into wine or gave somebody certain stones to decipher, but he didn't show them to anybody, and he was the only one that got told how to do it.

2:27:01 Speaker 2: This is the genesis of all these different religions. Now, people are going to be pissed about this, but what I'm trying to say is if there's no proof for one and then that being this you know, demons and what not thing, and then the UFO thing, and there's no proof for the other, but the other, right, and we'll talk about one nation under God is built on that, right. It's everywhere you swear on a Bible, like you pointed out, you've already got a belief system that is accepted. There will never be an elected official or a president that won't ever have to announce what church he goes to.

2:27:36 Speaker 2: I mean, this is what we expect, not just accept but if you're not in church, you sure the hell aren't going to be my president. You know it's on our money. So that is an accepted answer, and that's how that's going to be pushed, is how could it not be right? We swear on a Bible, we do this, we do that, So that's actually and I'm not saying that's not his own personal feelings, right, but that's actually the easiest answer to give other than say it's all bs, because that would be accepted. The whole thing I mentioned with the preachers is is vultures know where there's there's there's the dead body and the money.

2:28:16 Speaker 2: They can sniff it anywhere you are in an industry where you have to provide zero proof. And I don't want to like get too personal and bring up people's bad memories, but like you have a god where you say they're the creator. You can never see him. If I right now say show me or I say strike me down, won't happen. Kids getting molested in the church by their priests, good people dying, bad people being rich. And it's all part of God's plan, right, that's what we tell ourselves. It's all part of God's plan.

2:28:46 Speaker 2: So that's the industry they're in.

2:28:47 Speaker 1: It happens for a reason, is what. This happens for a reason.

2:28:50 Speaker 2: It's got you know, you got to trust me.

2:28:52 Speaker 1: What reason is there for kids to be?

2:28:54 Speaker 2: And how is that a better fucking place? Right?

2:28:56 Speaker 1: Tell me? Tell me how that works.

2:28:59 Speaker 2: It's it's an industry of bullshit, okay. And then you now put into that the UFO part of people that they pray on because they say, what are you really believing in? And this is a lot of the community, so it was such an easy way. And look at their counts of viewers followers, right, these are the sort of people that are coming into the community that are being cheered on because they're telling the story you want. So my answer to that is, no, I don't see any angels and demons. I've certainly not ran into any case where it's where it's that but it still is the easiest answer.

2:29:34 Speaker 2: I know it sounded odd when he said it, but again, all I would have to do and be like, look at the back of your dollar bill, right, pledge of allegiance, one nation under God, Right, where do you you know? Who do you get married by? I mean, it's it's implemented in our system. So if you don't want to say aliens, you don't want to say bullshit, you're going to just say angels and demons.

2:29:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very true, is very true. Yeah, default back to your your core you know, core religious doctrine like that. Yeah, it's that default answer that they can give.

2:30:14 Speaker 2: So just real fast, if you say aliens and people don't believe with you, they say you're crazy. I mean, that's that's the common thing. If you if you believe in God and I say I don't believe in that, no one says, oh, that person's crazy because they believe in that. They're just like, yeah, I'm not religious. But such easier calm, you know.

2:30:29 Speaker 1: But again forgive me. But by definition, an angel or a demon would be what non human intelligence. I'm not calling it aliens. I find that word to be kind of like too much in a box. And I think Arrow has done has showed people that they why do they use the word only the word extra terrestrial. It's way of lying by omission. Right, You're you're you're saying that we have no evidence of extraterrestrial life. Well no one said that. Well that's exactly what we thought it was. The U and UFO or UAP is unidentified.

2:31:14 Speaker 1: Big he there, right, So no one ever wanted you to go looking just for extraterrestrials. It could be interdimensional ultraterrestrial. And so I find the words to be chosen very specifically.

2:31:29 Speaker 2: I'll harp on this just a little bit more, just so people I'm clear on my position on it, which is that you know, you look into the Bible and you look at a globe. If anyone still has one, I'm getting dated, But I do everything that happened in the Bible happened in Israel, not the world.

2:31:47 Speaker 1: Isn't that funk weird?

2:31:48 Speaker 2: So again, if you believe it, two of every animal we're put on the arc and so on. So now we're using the same book to describe what is an angel or what is a demon? And this is of course not that there's not religion. There's not setting. I mean, I believe there's something that happens afterwards. It just means, and we've talked about this before, when man touches something, it just turns to stories and ruins what the truth is. So angels and demons, you know, are angel being any non human intelligence?

2:32:17 Speaker 2: I don't think was thought out in that way. And I think people who believe in this are pulling that long stretch because eventually the story was and I think you and I have talked about this. The first saucer that got put in a newspaper was described as moving like a saucer on water, not actually.

2:32:34 Speaker 1: Sasa a saucer, but then everyone started.

2:32:37 Speaker 2: A saucer, right, So this is kind of what my problem is with this, where it's like then we thought they were coming from Mars and outer space. Now most people will kind of agree, like we've got enough up there and things that like, that's probably not happened. So now it's in the sea. It's interdimensional, could be, but I feel like people are just working through formulating a narrative where it's it could still be angels or demons because it's not human intelligence. It's like you're moving the goalposts.

2:33:07 Speaker 1: I never really liked it like that.

2:33:10 Speaker 2: Just again, if you can show up and turn the water in a wine or I mean any of this stuff. I mean my view of this, Well.

2:33:16 Speaker 1: What do you make of things like Stargate? I mean, we know that government has looked into things that seem like magic, yeah, right, and had success allegedly. So are you saying that you don't think do you think this has all been conflated to something to some degree?

2:33:36 Speaker 2: I would say from the people, I won't drop me names right now because I've got enough battles, but that have accolades of working for agencies for decades. You can be pretty fucking crazy and still work for an agency, and add enough, a lot of them were involved in this. Now, with that said, even from my own crew, there's this quote that basically goes like there's a fine line between genius and mad man. And it's true. And the problem is the mad man isn't actually a bad thing if you don't go over there full fucking term.

2:34:12 Speaker 2: Right. So what I'm saying is I can show you all the data We've pulled, the videos, the metadata of something doing something that defies physics. Right, what a regular even a high level physicists will tell me is that's not possible because the math doesn't And it's like, well, we've verified everything we're showing you right, so obviously it is fucking possible. So I have to deal with.

2:34:38 Speaker 1: So obviously we don't have an under mad man.

2:34:40 Speaker 2: Because they're the only ones that will be like, let me fucking figure out how this, you know, like, let me come up with something. So again, there is a value to these people in the community. I don't want to come out like I'm just hitting them. It's just sometimes and I can tell you again because I work with all these people, some other ideas or what whatnot could be out there. But did the government look into it. Yeah, and they also were staring at goats And you know, again, we need the fucking data.

2:35:07 Speaker 2: If you can't put the data down, which is what a year against you, you know, it's still just a fucking story. You know. What I want to say kind of lastly on that is, as humans, you believe one of two things. For the most part. One story is your God created everyone, which means out of nothing, and no matter what religion you're in, he spoke to somebody or he showed himself to somebody or he's you know, not recently obviously, but the origin of the of the religion. The second part is is you believe that we were some sort of you know, bacteria or microbe on a rock, and then we went through this, We went through that, monkeys and cavemen, and we're here evolution.

2:35:54 Speaker 2: Okay, So look at both of those. How did we get to where we are right now? If it's our technology, If God can speak to you through your mind, how come he couldn't have just told somebody how the fuck to make this? If we've advanced from back carry on a fucking rock, you're telling me we couldn't come up with a craft that does exactly what the mnemics encountered. I mean, we've been flying for low over one hundred years. So it's not that I don't think people should consider it, but both of those answers come down to it, it still.

2:36:27 Speaker 1: Would have been human made, right.

2:36:29 Speaker 2: So that's kind of where I'm stuck at because I can't find other people's proof, which is why I gave up on the word that it come from part of it, part of it, because it's just not worth the time.

2:36:41 Speaker 1: It's so much of a I'll never get those lands so much of a rabbit hole.

2:36:46 Speaker 2: I don't have access to that. I know what I can do now, and that's the key for me going forward.

2:36:51 Speaker 1: Is there any question I missed? Are you a religious man?

2:36:56 Speaker 2: I consider myself highly religious, don't attend church? I do.

2:37:01 Speaker 1: Do you think there's an afterlife or.

2:37:03 Speaker 2: There is definitely something that happens when you pass away. I don't know if I would go as far as afterlife, because even if you look at you know, religions, Catholics, Jehovah Witnesses, some religions don't even have a hell, they only have a heaven. But when you analyze that, it's always everybody's getting along, and it's like, well, then that's not the people that die. So as everybody is zombie that got their brain piffed, and everybody just says, yeah, hi, how are you?

2:37:27 Speaker 1: Like?

2:37:27 Speaker 2: That's not where I would want to It's not what I would call it, right, I want to tie I fucking knew, you know, right, Like that's how you think about family. So again, there's so many problems in those stories, but I do feel pretty confident that when you pass away, something happens. I just don't have the answer of what, and I'm pretty sure what we've been taught everywhere is probably not the right story.

2:37:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that. I'd fall under that same category of saying that I don't think we have it right, not even close, because and the reason I say that is because the one thing I the one thing the universe doesn't seem to be is wasteful. It just doesn't doesn't waste anything, and it seems weird that this would be all just for nothing.

2:38:17 Speaker 2: Right, So for sure, I mean, you know, there's this question that's always like do you think someone else is out there? And even people that are kind of not kind of they're detested by the community, like Kirkpatrick would be like, yeah, statistically, there has to be another life form they usually say, you know, in this universe, not galaxy. And you know, if you actually talk to someone that does that, like believe or not, there's people that do this. Now if anyone that's seen Moneyball knows now about the professions, you know, seticians and whatnot, but they would actually tell you that if you look at that modern it would be the other way around, because it's so rare, it's almost impossible to think that it would happen somewhere else versus the universe is so big it's got to happen.

2:39:03 Speaker 2: Again, there's two ways to look at that, to phrase that right, So again we know we're pretty come from. There's nothing else in our galaxy. There's no you know, how it'd you know, right, But again it may just be the one one thing. Now with that said, you scares me more. Well, here's what I always say, because this is what I think about, right, Like I don't think about the aliens, I don't think about where did this come from? I view it in this sense. You know. One of the things that happened when we go into SSCI is they'd kind of want to know like how to battle with the arrow, right, So in every fucking briefing I had this section called walking down a physicists, and what that meant was they'd be like, well, they told us this, They told us that, you know, right, not possible defies physics.

2:39:49 Speaker 2: So I would start with things that everybody agrees on, including NASA, which is, you know, there's a particular planet that's so bright it defies the laws of physics. It should have exploded, you know, planet star right, and so that defies physics. Everybody agrees it's all been validated on information. So we know physics can be defied. Look at the Sun. Every day in your life. The sun's been up there, it's always ten years away. We've never been able to replicate a source that can just fill itself back up.

2:40:19 Speaker 2: It just there's so many instances and you get back down here to Earth and we'd point out things like there was this mystery on you spin magnets around and it changes the magnetic field right, And that was discovered in a way that when they wanted to test it, they literally got drills, you know, like you would drill a hole in your wall, put magnets on the end, and then got some high dollar Mornding equipment. But it's like, how often have we had magnets and drills. No one's discovered this stuff.

2:40:45 Speaker 2: So this idea of like we know what physics are now, I would walk that all the way back from the universe. And where I would start with is, even though there's theories, where does the universe end? We've actually been measuring it for a long time notes growing. Yeah, but here's the problem. We said end. You can't define volume without knowing the parameters, and nothing can just end. What's on the other side, what's holding this thing in place?

2:41:15 Speaker 1: Floating?

2:41:16 Speaker 2: Oh, it's uh, you know this area of nothing? Well, how long does the nothing go on? Because it's obviously got to be something we're growing into it. Oh, it goes this one? Okay, Well, what's hold in that place? And you'll never get to a fucking answer of what's holding everything into place because something would have to be holding it into place, and on on on, and you can't say it goes on forever because there's no fucking way for everything anything, to ever go on forever. So you have two possibilities and they're both fucking impossible.

2:41:44 Speaker 2: So the people that want to believe in different things, I never try and come at them too hard because it's like, we got to admit we live in a possible fucking world. You know, the simulation theory I've never bothered to answer.

2:41:58 Speaker 1: But doesn't it for all the reasons you just listed.

2:42:01 Speaker 2: But it's because it's not the right question. You know, if you want to say to me, do you think we're in somebody's video station, you know, video game? I'm fine with that, but it doesn't answer the question because whatever five foot tall lizard people are playing us on their PS five, they have to have a sky. Where does their fucking sky in? And what's holding their galaxy and play? And so that's my question, is the big one of Like, so it's not that I don't entertain it, it's that you're asking.

2:42:28 Speaker 2: You know, for me, that's not the fucking question.

2:42:30 Speaker 4: You want to go right again, that's fine, but you still would have to have someone running it, and then you get back into the questions where the fuck is all this in because it can't and it can't also go on forever.

2:42:43 Speaker 2: So anything is possible is kind of my end. No, it doesn't mean everything's.

2:42:48 Speaker 1: Possible, but anything is possible.

2:42:53 Speaker 2: Correct.

2:42:53 Speaker 1: So, and I've actually never liked defies physics. It's like, because that suggests that we have a full understanding of the universe's properties, and I think that's fair to say that we do not if things are already defining those You.

2:43:12 Speaker 2: Can't say that and also agree that there's multiple examples that we know defy physics. You can't say both. And that's why I would give them that amo to go in and be like, oh, really, explain the sun to me then.

2:43:25 Speaker 1: Right, thank you for having the courage to answer these questions. Is there anything that you want to tell people I'm Before we wrap.

2:43:42 Speaker 2: Up this, I'll catch people up to where I am today. You know, like I've always said, some people say word defined you. If I show up, I show up just like here, you know, the same way online. You know, that's just kind of how I am. I try to be, and I feel like I've easily been in more spaces, not because I do a whole lot, it's just everybody else, especially whistleblowers, And I understand why are kind of laying low, but I'm usually out there in my storial stand. I've got legs, but I'm working on things still within the government.

2:44:12 Speaker 2: We're getting ready to head up to d C in a couple of days, and we've caught attention of lots of people, and that includes the executive branch as we speak about reason and be and think what you want about people. But when you go through what I went through for multiple years, and you know, the same thing the SSCI said is like, well, you've already essentially been run through the ringer by all these other branches that have ver you know, validated you, and now we come up here in validate you. That's what the executive branch wanted.

2:44:44 Speaker 2: Even though you've got one team kind of work into what if it's aliens, there's another team wanting the actual answers of what the fuck's in the sky. Yeah, and that happens to be just me. So I'm doing a lot behind the scenes. Can't always tell people, but there is a lot going on. Try not to ruin it if you don't have something better or some validation would be my own encouragement to end it on. Let the process play out here.

2:45:12 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do need to find their place and they don't have that. Like, like, I know what my place is, right is to facilitate stories, and sometimes I help facilitate people with other people. I know what my job is. More people need to know what they need to do.

2:45:30 Speaker 2: We probably should have inted it because now I'm gonna come down kind of hard on people just because I'm gonna make that point.

2:45:35 Speaker 1: Right, we can always cut it out.

2:45:39 Speaker 2: No, No, well, let's put this in. So I'm gonna say something that sounds incredibly harsh, and most people want to turn this off. Don't because I want to explain what it means, probably not what you think.

2:45:50 Speaker 1: Right zooming on his face. Now, just for this part, I'm.

2:45:53 Speaker 2: Just kidding everyone that's listening to this, Okay, don't don't turn this off. Hear me out is nobody sounds terrible. Now I work with my kids schools. I preach the opposite of that. Right, everybody's a somebody, everybody has a place in the world. So then what do I mean? What I mean is this, We've been through this. If I give you the secret sauce to what's in the stealth coding of these things that can do this, can you go back and look at the files of all of our various stealth codings is classify.

2:46:27 Speaker 1: No.

2:46:28 Speaker 2: If I tell you what satellite you need to pull this, this this from, can you do that?

2:46:34 Speaker 1: No?

2:46:34 Speaker 2: If I give you GPS, date, time and stamp. I'm not talking about a trial to you know, flight tracker, because that shit doesn't show up on that can you pull it?

2:46:44 Speaker 5: No?

2:46:44 Speaker 2: And people have to understand that that like, you have to go about things differently than you are on both sides skeptics and folks that are telling or story. And if you're not willing to fight the government, you won't get there. And if you fight the government to beat them, you got to play on their field by their rules. Everybody keeps trying to move the wealth. We'll get the UAPDA, we'll get the files released, just sure the fuck won't. They're going to keep that shit hidden. So again, my method, whether people like it or not, is to play on their field by their rules and try and fucking beat them.

2:47:21 Speaker 2: There.

2:47:23 Speaker 1: Love it. That's such a good place to end. Dude, Thank you, you've been absolutely wonderful, and go fight for us. Right.

2:47:35 Speaker 2: I'm telling you the answers are possible to get and hopefully when I get.

2:47:38 Speaker 1: Them, I hope you'll come back and share them.

2:47:43 Speaker 2: I'll be back and if I ever go missing, hopefully it's for a good reason. Ok, not the opposite, Yeah, right right, right right.

2:47:52 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being air man. Good luck with everything that you're about to go try and do. If yeah, if you always have an open door here, and thank you everyone for watching. H of course you know we usually do uh film. We always ask, you know, respectfully, what people want, and we're always willing to accommodate. And if someone doesn't want to be seen on camera, I respect that, and I respect why you do you know why you did ask that? Uh. And you know, for anyone else who thinks that you have to go on camera or have to be seen uh, or or can't protect your family, just know that that's not the case.

2:48:44 Speaker 1: And we are willing to work with you to better humanity. Uh, and not you know, put you in danger. So this is a safe place. We try to make it a safe place. Gene's always great and for that you can attest to that. So thank you again for doing this today. Uh.

2:49:05 Speaker 2: You go buy Whistling Mike. Just Mike's fine.

2:49:09 Speaker 1: On this X. So I'll put that link in the description. Blow for anyone wants to follow you and hear you know more of what you have to say. And for everyone else, stay humble, stay kind, and stay vigilant, and we'll see you next time.

2:49:27 Speaker 6: The thing is black, where the truth was kept behind the lines while the silence slept. We trace the static on a lonely while searching the desert for a frozen fire. The horizon's wide and the night is deep promises that the agent sees wait for the light to break the seal.

2:50:06 Speaker 1: Nothing planes that.

2:50:08 Speaker 6: They can conceal in the total disclosure. We find our way sooner.

2:50:16 Speaker 1: Redacted to the light of day.

2:50:20 Speaker 2: They're redacted to the light of.

2:50:25 Speaker 6: The poles, scan the sky, and Drew doesn't live in a professional lie. Join the signal, join the sound until the next time. We're breaking ground.

2:50:48 Speaker 2: So for ten minutes we hit this thing with everything we had to document it.

2:50:54 Speaker 1: I just hit my copy. That was hilarious. All Right, I gotta stop him in this fucking thing. Alright, it's too