Jason Verbelli: UFOs- Free Energy & Lost technology| Einstein Had it Wrong?

0:03 Speaker 1: All right, welcome.

0:13 Speaker 2: Back to Total Disclosure everyone. My name is Tay roberts An, the host of TDP. Today's guest is Jason Verbelli. Thank you again for Jason coming in clutch and taking a very short notice in joining me on this open slot after it did open up. An independent researcher who's been shaking up the world of science for over twenty years. As they're surviving. Apprentice of Professor John Searle, Jason's the driving force behind SEG Magnetics, Inc. And San Diego, where he's pioneering alternative energy and diving deep into the physics of exotic technologies.

0:55 Speaker 2: With over ten thousand hours in the lab, crafting parts to milligre and precision in fifty thousand hours of relentless research, He's not just theorizing, he's building the future. Jason is the author of four books and for audio books. I don't know if those are separate. I guess we'll find out. He dismantles outdated relativity and quantum theories, offering revolutionary alternatives. Inspired by doctor Edward Dowd. His mission is to empower humanity with decentralized, self sufficient tech and spark scientific Revolution.

1:30 Speaker 2: Despite facing fifteen years of deleted discussions, band YouTube uploads and suppression, Jason's passion burns brighter than an orb in Cris Bloods those backyard. All right, guys, this is total disclosure. Jason, thank you so much for being here.

1:56 Speaker 3: Man, absolutely, thank you for having me, and thank you for everybody who is going to be listening to this later.

2:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been, you know. We I had such a big backlog of when I went to Contacting the Desert. From day one today four, I was in the media room just interviewing people. Just I didn't I didn't go to one lecture, even though I had to introduce, like guys like Chris Bloodsoe and Ryan Wood and Melinda Leslie and all those people. I did their introductions, but every single time I ended it, I jumped off the stage, ran out the door, grabbed another person, brought them back to the media room for another interview.

2:38 Speaker 2: So I was like twelve interviews ahead, and we're just putting out the two last interviews with Peter Robbins and Steven Bassett. After a long line, like we've had these interviews coming out since July, June July, and they're just finishing up now, so I'm starting to get back to the regular kind of schedule. And that's where I miscalculated, and I was like, oh my god, I have a week open, need to fill it. You came in. I'm really excited. I'm not going to say that I'm super familiar with your work, so maybe you can open up and you know, I obviously talked about a little bit about it in the intro, But where did your journey begin?

3:26 Speaker 2: Who are you? And why you know? Why are you? Why are you in this field?

3:35 Speaker 3: Journey began again? My name is Jason Verbelli, and it began around two thousand and five two thousand and six when I was investigating UFO reports, like other people just interested in free energy technologies, who might be for real and who are not for real? So I got out of my armchair and I started traveling out and meeting with everybody who I could in those communities. So I would meet with people like doctor Stephen Greer, or I met my mentor, Professor John Searle, and different people in those areas of their own fields.

4:20 Speaker 3: So I wanted to get familiar with what could possibly get us off a gas and oil and a better way of life, because I don't think what we are doing today is is the best way. So there has to be some other explanations and other technologies. And in my search for doing that, I found a whole bunch of people and I put together flyers and stuff so I could give others. Yeah. Absolutely, So let's see if I can get my camera again. It's a Professor John Searrel, doctor Edward Dowdie, doctor Pierre Marie Robati, got Caneo Chiba, Stan Myers, and Rick Simpson.

5:02 Speaker 3: Sorry for the blur, everybody.

5:04 Speaker 2: That's all right, sent me a copy of it.

5:06 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got. I have lots of these. I leave these at airports or whatever. Doctor Eugene Putklednov, Joseph Devidovitz, doctor Paul Brown, Clay Taylor with Johann Gerte Leclair, Mark Leclair, and David michaeleets lots of other people on the flyer as well with links. It's just talking about these alternative technologies that have been suppressed or they just aren't well known. Even if they aren't suppressed.

5:36 Speaker 2: Well, there's a that's by design, like something I've you come to see that the deeper you dive into these this field these like the I say it's the I generalize it by the UFO phenomena, but it's really all Like when I say the UFO phenomena, I'm I'm it's because I'm talking in my head at least I'm talking about like the UFO is an all related phenomena, because I really do think it's it's not a phenomenon, it's phenomena plural, Like there's like so many different things that a UFO. The implications for for a UFO, you know, are not just that we're not alone, but no discernible means of propulsion.

6:28 Speaker 2: How are they doing that? Clearly there's another way, but like other than gas and you know electric the way the way we're doing it now, Like seeing one of these things for myself, I could see this thing should not have been flying. It didn't have anything that was burning out the back to propel it forward, because you know, it's oscillating at a very slow rate. It's about the size of my neighborhood, and it's just hanging at tree top level. By all means, this thing should have been, you know, making noise, so much of a noise that my ears should have been bleeding I should have seen some sort of manipulation to the environment around it, whether that was heat waves or whatever was causing it to fly.

7:14 Speaker 2: I know, wind, nothing, no sound, nothing so that day, which is really good for me because at an early age I was like, Okay, we don't know everything, like we can't we do. There's a lot of because when you're growing up, you know your your your brain is turning everything into black and white. You know, That's why we grow up in these like very We grow up and we become these very rigid people about reality because anything that challenges the reality we've built along the years, it can't be possible right until you do find out that there's so much more gray.

7:56 Speaker 3: It's met with harsh criticism anytime that there is a credible challenge which threatens the status quo or the understanding that people currently have. And that's what I have done with these books that I wrote, which is compiling about twenty years of experimentation, observation, research, discussions with professionals, and my experiences in philosophies. That's the book right there, Book one of four. Galilee and Vario, Oh.

8:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask that it came out weird when I wrote it, so is it four books that are also audiobooks.

8:34 Speaker 3: Or correct four books ebooks and print, And then I also self narrated four audio books as well, reading through all four volumes and doing in my own voice and inflection and tonality like.

8:49 Speaker 2: I always like when the the writer does the audiobook for it, because you can hear the inflection that they want.

8:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no TikTok voice in no, just just my own voice and inflection and adding a lot of humor to things.

9:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you're I mean, your journey started as an apprentice for John Cerle, a pioneer in alternative energy. You know what was the what was the most mind blowing moment working with them that convinced you free energy isn't just like a pipe dream, but it's something that's tangible, it's real.

9:26 Speaker 3: It's the experiments working with his magnetic wave forms and seeing a different method to magnetize materials that are not just north and south. There's an actual sine wave like frequency embedded into the magnetic field itself, which is unheard of in scientific literature. So these magnets when they spin, they not only flip north and south, north and south, but they also generate BOO. They generate a magnetic waveform analogous to a pure tone like a tuning fork, or analogous to a laser with a isolated wavelength.

10:06 Speaker 3: So these magnets operate like the maglev train. They orbit and spin without touching, no sound, no wind, much like the characteristics of what you see with UFOs. So this guy back in the fifties developed this technology that worked a little too well. Every time he tried to plug something into it to power his workshop at home, it would lift off of his workbench to the ceiling. Nobody taught him that's not supposed to happen. So he got all of this information from reoccurring dreams from age six to twelve, and then he was at the right place at the right time.

10:46 Speaker 3: Was hired at the largest industrial electric plant that ran all of London, and while he was there he used their multimillion dollar facility and infrastructure to build these devices with the aid of the factory workers who made parts for him. He modified a twelve foot tall decommissioned magnetizer with mercury rectifier tubes and stuff that doesn't exist anymore, and he magnetized these parts in a way that nobody else in the world does, and it resulted in behaviors like a rotating superconductor, and that's what he tried to hone in on for many many years, ended up powering his house with the device for many years, unbeknownst to the electric company that he worked for where he built it.

11:31 Speaker 3: They found out he built that, they considered it their property. They broke into his home, confiscated it out of his wall where he had it plastered in, took him to court, claiming that he was stealing their electricity. And ever since then, around nineteen eighty two, he has been trying to rebuild and convince the world that he achieved what he did before and that he could do it again. But it's so outlandish and the claims are so different, and without the infrastructure and funding to be able to rebuild those things, it is just like an eccentric old man making wild claims.

12:06 Speaker 3: Until Fernando Morris, my colleague, investigated him in the eighties and nineties and then started working with him. He left his job at IBM. My boss. Fernando Morris was working with the SDI Star Wars program with the Reagan administration. The Satellite Communications and the weaponry of satellites. So he left that cushy job because he saw so much validity with John Searle's work and dedicated his life to that. So then I saw his experiments with the spinning magnet demonstration unit, and I had to know more, so I visited, and then I began learning the process of what it took to make the magnets.

12:47 Speaker 3: And now I am the only employee and I've been working there for ten years, and I make the magnets and Fernando does the magnetization, and we have these demonstration units which show this magnetic bearing effect like the maglev train. There's no friction, but yet it can generate electricity. But in order to do that on a larger scale, to power a house or something like that, or even a light bulb, that's like a three million dollar end result because all of those tiny pieces have to be built to extreme precision, and I'm the only one doing it by hand, so in order to expedite that, we would have to hire the personnel.

13:25 Speaker 3: But the claim is imagine an electric car that you never need to plug into charge, or not having to pay the electric company. This technology is claimed to be able to provide that energy from absorbing the energy from around it, abiding by the laws of thermodynamics. No overunity in a perpetual motion, just the energy around us, like the wheel work of nature.

13:49 Speaker 2: So you keep referring to the mag train, the maglev train, can you just tell us what that is?

13:57 Speaker 3: A man named Eric Lathweight developed up the maglev train. Like the bullet train that lifts off of the track. It floats on the track as it goes. It's not like a standard train where there's wheels on an actual track. There's magnets and electromagnets, and the train itself hovers and levitates above the track, and through magnetism and electric pulses, the train is propelled forward on that straight track. So the point is is that there's no friction. The train levitates above the track. Which what if you wrap that track in a ring, So now you have the same dynamics, but in a ring.

14:36 Speaker 3: And that's what John Searle did is he rather than having pulses of coils on the outside of it, he magnetizes the magnets themselves so that as they spin, they generate those pulses, which then creates the lift and the magnetic effect.

14:55 Speaker 2: So, now, forgive me, isn't something like this being done in China?

15:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Japan anywhere that there is a mag lev train magnetic levitation train.

15:09 Speaker 2: So they do exist.

15:10 Speaker 3: They the technology exists, but they're using standard coils and standard electro magnets and then with an equal amount of pulse, you get an equal amount of lyft and it takes a lot of power to move the train. But that's a standard linear motor. It's a linear induction motor. But if you wrap that linear motor into a ring, now it's a non linear motor. It's a ring. So you have a constant orbit and a constant spin of these magnets around which then levitate as they orbit and spin, just like how the maglev train levitates above the truck.

15:47 Speaker 3: But it does so in any orientation, doesn't matter.

15:51 Speaker 2: Diagonal control it as long as right, okay.

15:55 Speaker 3: Because there's cop there's copper and magnets. When you wave a copper by a magnet, there's a repulse of force. But if you have a magnet with a magnet, there's an attractive force. Right, So there's combinations of magnets and copper in this device. So after a certain rpm the magnets want to attract, but they also want to repel away from each other, so there's this equilibrium for a gap, like a magnetic cushion between the parts. So nothing touches as they're moving. Don't need any contacts, any brushes, commutators, belts, chains, nothing like that.

16:28 Speaker 3: It's just anating unit. Yeah.

16:31 Speaker 2: Also you don't have like the wear and tear of the of the tracks and the breaks and you know, trains coming off that. I live in Boston and our subway system is quite outdated and the trains are always in construction, and you know, like you have to you have to service those things. And I feel like with a maglev there's not so much you'd have to service over time. I mean, there are some things, you know, you standard safety checks, but it seems like there wouldn't be a lot of breakdown as far as the actual the actual vehicle itself.

17:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's it's just the actual oxidation of the vehicle and the wear and tear from the vibe. There's not much vibration like a normal track, so there's not much uh, loose screws. It's it's a more efficient way of getting from here to there. Using magnetic induction and levitation.

17:34 Speaker 2: If okay, if China and Japan have these things and they are putting they're they're putting our bullet trains to shame, right, Why why are why are they not being built in the United States if we are the pinnacle of technology and societal advancement.

17:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I've been wondering that. Here in California with the train to nowhere, it's been going on for twenty years or something. They said they're gonna build a train from San Francisco to Los Angeles or even San Diego, and it's like they had like one stretch of it going in the middle of nowhere quite literally, like the bridge to nowhere in Alaska. So there's not much progress has been made, okay, just like the fusion, the claims for fusion, just like the claims for the train. Maybe in the next fifty years we might have it.

18:27 Speaker 3: That's the joke. It's never gonna happen.

18:31 Speaker 2: Well, it just it bothers me. It bothers me because the US Patent Office on a yearly basis, I think it is. I can't remember the exact number, I can't remember the exact statistics, but I remember it being in Doctor Greer's serious documentary, which I actually really really enjoyed. There's a lot of things I don't enjoy with doctor Greer, but there's also a lot of things I don't agree with with everybody. Right so, but in this particular case, they had brought up the the patent Office, and then out of the one patents that they seized throughout the year, I think it's like sixty percent of them have to do with like this kind of stuff energy energy based patents, yes, exactly.

19:28 Speaker 2: So it seems that either we're beholden to the energy companies and you know, politicians are doing their bidding uh when it comes to to passing laws and keeping others uh out of the you know, out of the sphere entirely by throwing a national security pattern on their on their invention. And then once that happens, because they can, it's it's a huge problem. Once they slap that tag on your technology, now you can only do business with the US government with nobody else.

20:07 Speaker 3: That's part of the problem with applying for a patent is that you're waving a flag and you're telling them all of the details of your technology, making you obsolete and if they deem it a threat or a benefit to national security, they can seize it legally because you signed your rights away to that. And there's just a lot of problems with patenting nowadays. Patents are not what they used to be. You can take copyrighted works from the public domain and apply for a patent and it will be granted, and until it is questioned in a court of law, it will remain as an application that has been granted.

20:45 Speaker 3: We had problems with that with our technology with John Soca. Now to mention the serious documentary with doctor Greer, I was there at the attendance of the Los Angeles premiere of that documentary. The direct or, I think Amar had to fight with Greer for months in order to include the measly thirty to forty five seconds of John Searle that appeared in that documentary. Yet there was some hoax coil that was featured for ten to fifteen minutes in that same documentary, So there were problems with that and doctor Greer.

21:23 Speaker 3: Again, every time John Searle is brought up, there's always a deflection to suppress it, ignore it, not mention it, or yeah, yeah it was a deal, it's cool.

21:36 Speaker 2: I don't understand the same tactic the patent office uses.

21:41 Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, and another thing about the patent office, I personally think there's a racket there where if your idea is good enough, they will auction it off to the highest bidder and then predate your patent back to that highest bore and then give you a notification. I know what, somebody else already had the idea very good maybe if you redo.

22:03 Speaker 2: It, but that's a good way to down and steal it. Yeah, what do you think about yes, allegedly, of course, what do you And have you seen this guy on on I've been seeing him a lot lately. Uh, this gentleman who has created some sort of diesel fuel out of plastic.

22:26 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's uh, the black gentleman.

22:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's work.

22:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's that's good. But that I've seen before for many, many years, the biodiesel from plastic or from other wastes and stuff. Magnet gas is another which isn't the liquid form of the fuel that it's a it's a gas made from the decomposition of organic matter, I think, and then you can use that to weld extremely high temperatures and much faster. I think that was made by a guy named Santilly, and anything that is claimed to have better efficiency and exotic stuff. I'm all over that, but it's not always acknowledged by the people who you would think would acknowledge that, and sometimes it's very difficult to even have that be mentioned.

23:21 Speaker 2: Interesting, and you brought up Stanley Myers before we get into some of the other stuff. Can you remind people who Stanley Myers was.

23:33 Speaker 3: Stan Myers was a guy who claimed to develop a car that runs on water. He made a dune buggy which was investigated by the Pentagon and they had a lot of interest in this car that could run on water, or at least the water was the main component. If not, there was some other additive to it. Don't know, because Stan Myers died mysteriously holding his neck after a luncheon with two Belgian businessmen and he drank some wine and dropped the wine, said I've been poisoned. I've been poisoned, ran out in the street, and then died in the street.

24:12 Speaker 3: When they said, oh, it was a brain aneurism. But poisons can cause brain aneurysms many times from watching forensic files and all that, So you think so.

24:23 Speaker 2: You think that he was eventually, Yeah, you think there was a potential nefarious cause too, I mean, because I believe, I mean not many people would would run, would run out of a rest. I believe it was a cracker barrel too ironic.

24:41 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what.

24:43 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it was a cracker barrel. But he ran out like clutching himself, saying that I've been poisoned.

24:51 Speaker 3: I've been poisoned. I've been poisoned was his last words.

24:56 Speaker 2: Now, either a he was very very very very very paranoid and rightfully so, which could have been rightfully so, yes, and the stress got to that the aneurysm and and it all makes sense, or he was actually poisoned and it is a cover up of some sort, because I mean, we're not we're not driving around in water hydrogen powered cars right now. So a lot of people have a problem with that story because it can't be It hasn't been able to be reproduced. And people say that he fudged his numbers, but most people that say that say he did it so that the technology couldn't be stolen.

25:40 Speaker 2: There also is a big catch twenty two here.

25:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, my friend Russ Grease of rwgresearch dot com acquired Stan Myers's original documents in some of his equipment from Stan's family in a state and has that information available for free for everybody to down load on rwgresearch dot com. And I have those links and it shows all of Stan Meyer's original files and his v C and all of his different coils. And Alex Petty has another page on that as well. But the point is that there's a lot of information that needs to be tested out. Uh, and the case is not closed, as is with many of the other exotic claims for other technologies.

26:28 Speaker 2: So what I mean when it comes to to Stanley didn't Bob didn't Bob Lazare also transform a car into like a hydrogen powered car.

26:42 Speaker 3: I think he had. Uh. I'm not sure if it was like a hydronium or it was like a hydrogen car. But he had two big tanks in the back of this. I have his original VHS tape from it's like the early nineties or something like that.

27:00 Speaker 1: Uh.

27:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. He displayed all that in his car.

27:03 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I remember all of it, like I remember seeing it recently too where I was and then I'm putting it together and going wait, what where did that go? He said, he was.

27:12 Speaker 3: Whatever it is is car creative? Yeah, well whatever, it looked creative to me. So whether it ran only on hydrogen or whatever, or it just alleviated the gas running motor, probably just a cool thing to to have, and it might have diminished his gas usage, and so that's always a good thing.

27:33 Speaker 2: Well yeah, so, And the reason I bring it up is also, you know, in the in the I think it was like the forties and the fifties, everyone, all the scientists and anyone who was working in like gravity was they were saying that we're right around the corner from the g Engines famous you know story cover, the g Engines are coming and boom, just like that, no mention of it, no talk about it. It just goes away. And a lot of people think that it didn't go away, and they they it's not that they didn't succeed, it's that they did succeed and it went underground and now is being used, you know, whether it's the the Browns, T Town Browns and byfield effect that some say that the stealth fighter uses where they positively charge one side, negatively charge the other side, but with all that being said, do you think that the US government is in possession of exotic propulsion and you know, the technology that essentially would get us off the power grid?

29:00 Speaker 2: Do you think they have it and that they are keeping it suppressed for their own benefit and to continue, you know, making their constituents, you know rich.

29:15 Speaker 3: I think that's a whole chess board of thoughts there, because part of it no checkmate yet.

29:24 Speaker 2: The nothing nothing yet.

29:27 Speaker 3: I think allowing your adversaries to think that you have more than what you really have is a key in the art of war. So you don't give up all of your cards. So every country assumes that other countries have more, Like do they have did they crack the gravity? Can they use they? Can they do that?

29:49 Speaker 2: Like?

29:49 Speaker 3: What level is it actually been cracked? So I think there are aspects of it that have been like the Bierfield Brown effect is electros statics, an ion wind and even when you put that apparatus in a vacuum chamber, what do you have around the vacuum chamber a glass dome? So the ions push against the glass dome to cause the rotation. It's not just doing that in a vase. So there's always has to be something to push off of when it comes to those single electrons and the ions. But my thoughts on that are when you have electron pairs, that it will have much more energy and oomph and be able to achieve what people are desiring.

30:38 Speaker 3: Because I have a different thought on what gravity is and how it behaves. But some people think that electrostatics and gravity are one of a kind when in the same so they think the bail Field Brown effect is manipulating gravity, or the Casimir effect or other technologies. Oh, that's dealing with either radiation pressure, you're dealing with thy on went you're dealing with single electrons, single particles, beta alpha decay, and that's not going to achieve the exotic stuff. So I think up to a point, governments have the keys to say, Okay, there's something else going on here with these certain materials.

31:20 Speaker 3: They're generating electricity in a different way. We don't really know how it's doing something different, But it's about the order and the coherence that you have, and the more order that you have, the more that the electrons will pair up, and then the more that they split, the more that you get gravity. But the current model of gravity is spacetime curvature with relativity, so they think you have to have the amount of mass and then warp that medium with electrostatics in order to get the gravitational effects.

31:50 Speaker 3: But it's an illusion on the subatomic level, I think, with the electron and the electron pairs. But I don't think anybody in the government levels knows specifically the mechanism of how to facilitate that, because they're using an outdated model of relativity. So their nuclear model is outdated in my view, their atomic model, their electric model, their gravity, time and light is all erroneous and outdated, which is why I wrote those four books to give people more context on a credible alternative and how I think things operate and how those end results arise.

32:28 Speaker 3: The same can go from here to there faster than light, but no warp drive, no ether, no space time, and I think aspects of that have been cracked by governments. But they don't exactly know what the heck is going on, but they do certain things and they get certain effects, but honing in on that on an entire craft and then having the fuel to refuel depending on what method you use or if you can absorb the energy from around you at a constant They don't know the exact factors of what they are doing, but they have keys, and it's pertinent to allow other adversaries to think that you have a lot more than what you do.

33:09 Speaker 3: In those top secret programs like Operation Green Glow or Operation Grasp gr Asp, like with Boeing and the UK, they're trying to crack the anti gravity doctor Eugene pud Klednov with NASA, the Department of Defense, which then was handed over to doctor Ning Lee, this Chinese lady who then got top secret clearance to study anti gravity, and then everything gets put behind closed doors. The higher and higher the levels of understanding that you go, but when you start to actually do the experiments, you need government level funding or you need some form of support.

33:51 Speaker 3: And in San Diego here we require about three million dollars to provide that end result that people want to power things, maybe to get a levitation or glowing effect. But that's very difficult because since twenty ten, about seventy or more shareholders and investors have put forth about one point five million. But John cele said that's a three million dollar lump sum. So if you have the information but not the money can't really achieve nothing.

34:22 Speaker 2: You can do anything if you have.

34:23 Speaker 3: The money but not the information. You're gonna waste money like top secret programs trying to get the aspects that John Searle discovered unto himself and left to Fernando and myself when he passed away. So that's why I think it is very very important to give credence and scrutiny to these new ideas and look at them very very harshly, but give them a chance so that it can either produce a fruit for a result or we learn what went wrong. But to not engage it at all is very foolish because it's just a hedge against the bets.

35:02 Speaker 2: Okay, well, the obvious question is why don't the people with the money seek out the people with the information.

35:11 Speaker 3: Because they want to own it, So they will visit the lab, they will be a lukie loose, see what they can get for themselves, leave form their own company and try to do it themselves because they want the yeah, or because they see there's validity in it and they're like, holy crap, uh, I think I could do a better job. I don't trust these guys. I can do it, So everybody else. But it's a it's also a matter of trying to protect something that you think is so valuable that you can't let anybody else have it.

35:50 Speaker 3: It has to be protected, so we have to own it, not them. And so they start tearing people down in order to get the information to keep for themselves, not realizing they are becoming the suppressor that we're all fighting against. And that has happened many times with John Serrel and this company in technology. People come in, they get their own ideas, they try to take it from themselves and form their own company.

36:15 Speaker 2: Okay, so obviously that's a's a that's a big problem. Do you see the the do you see AI as possibly something that speeds up the process to making this more mainstream that eventually somewhere, some AI is going to crack the code, And I mean, at that point, the cat's out of the bag. Right now everyone has access to the quote unquote information.

36:51 Speaker 3: AI itself will not and cannot do that because AI is specific to relativity and Lorentz invariants, and every time you summon AI to have a conversation in a chat, it has Alzheimer's and no continuity between sessions and you're as a clean slate for each for each session. So if you wanted to have a linked hive mind of AI to disseminate to people in a larger scale, it's going to have to have continuity between those sessions and have some sort of centralized network and have that right now.

37:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let me rephrase. Eventually there's going to be this general artificial intelligence. We are clearly on that path that we're headed down now. Assuming that we do get to a place where we create something that's indistinguishable from maybe the human brain and even more powerful and more a synthetic version of it, and we do achieve general artificial intelligence, do you think that that would that at that point it would be able to unlock the mysteries of the universe.

38:11 Speaker 3: Yes, given that it is programmed with the right fundamentals and foundations. That has to be done by a human who has a credible challenge. Otherwise the AI and language model will still plateau on the same line of thinking, and if you can't get out, you can't get out of those problems with the same line of thinking. So once you upload the new information, then it can beat boop its ones and zeros or quantum fractions. Whatever it's cubit doing, it can think along new pathways and then say, okay, wait a minute, this conflicts with everything that we've done before.

38:50 Speaker 3: But we can take this aspect and then apply that, you know, within microseconds across the board. Then it.

38:59 Speaker 2: Seems if it's if it's also operating at a quantum level, it seems like it's able. It would then be able to think, not even think across dimensions and poll resource. So I find that to be a very interesting avenue, if you will.

39:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, dimensions in regard to the digital world is not like a three D Euclidean space we live in. It's like it's not a fourth dimension, but it's like its own realm onto itself. It's it's a digital tron world. I don't know, I don't live there.

39:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, I see it like Ultron or or Jarvis that that scene when they're showing the brain and Ultron waking up in like the digital equal Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So obviously free energy is something that have you ever? Free energy is something that is it comes hand in hand with the UFO territory because you know, even in my own sighting, what what I saw should not have been there By all accounts of the quote unquote laws of physics that we operate under, this thing shouldn't have existed. It should not have been able to stay in the sky at for how big it was and how low it was with all no discernible means of propulsion.

40:34 Speaker 2: So free energy and UFOs often hand in hand. Have you ever had an experience seeing something that you couldn't explain?

40:44 Speaker 3: Yes, And that was on October fourteenth, two thousand and eight, just above my house, A month after I had a week long excursion with the CE five event with doctor Stephen Greer at Mount Shasta. I was doing the meditations and the protocols and the uh and you know all that.

41:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, doing the procedures again, Yeah.

41:13 Speaker 3: For five and a half hours in a seated, cross legged position in a chair just like this on my balcony, just like looking up. I had a camera on my lap like anybody there, No, of course, not an idiot, no. But then with my camera on my lap, practicing like like I'm Billy the Kid or Wyatt like huh, all right, I'm not going to be one of those idiots with lame footage that can't get anything. Okay, yeah, I got my camera ready, so I had everything like good, right, So five and a half hours I'm meditating there nothing and then my friends come over, like four or five of my friends, and I put I put my camera down on the balcony and they come inside because I had the door unlocked, like I got a I got a pee.

42:00 Speaker 3: So I'm like, I get out of my chair and I walk into to my house from the balcony. I had one foot one foot in the door from the sliding glass door. And my friend starts screaming, Tysa.

42:14 Speaker 2: What is that?

42:16 Speaker 1: Look?

42:16 Speaker 2: Look? Wow?

42:19 Speaker 3: Right above the house looked like this satellite that was just going real slow, and then it stopped, and then it started to descend and getting bigger and bigger and bigger, until it was like almost the size of the full moon above the house, silent, glowing white, just this ball of white light and stayed there for like fifteen twenty seconds. And I'm like, holy shit, it worked.

42:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, you get so yeah, you get like, hey, I'm like, hey, right,

42:56 Speaker 2: what do we do that?

42:57 Speaker 3: The fuck? I wasn't expecting it, you know what I mean, like land here or something. And then all of a sudden, it just went into the distance to the horizon as far as the eye can see in about two and a half to three seconds, and as far as the eye can see from that balcony is about twenty to twenty five miles line sight on a clear night. It was just getting dark, just getting dusk, and so it just from a complete standstill to the horizon in three seconds.

43:30 Speaker 2: The inertial effect would have no, there was no.

43:33 Speaker 3: Law exactly it would have it would have disintegrated it. So it would have had to go from a standstill to twenty five thousand miles an hour. And I calculated the right calculation at the amount of G forces from here or there and this amount of time with this, and it is like it obviously ripped you apart, like is something I forget what it was. It's like three hundred and fifty g's or maybe even thousands of g's. Wow, I forget what the figures were.

44:01 Speaker 2: But because allowed to kill you. But yeah, but.

44:05 Speaker 3: No, there's no inertia in there. Because I think, in my view, is that those electron pairs, when you absorb that energy and you can find those electrons, you force them together even though they want to repel, and you constrain them there through magnetics, Lorentz force, and other means. Once they are allowed to leave that state, they accelerate away from that state and start emitting gravity, and no single electrons can breach that barrier. I take inertia as being a sequential lag of your electrons making up something.

44:45 Speaker 3: So as you go to accelerate, or you have momentum, or you break, your electrons will sequentially feel that force and there'll be a difference, and that's the inertia you feel. But in a state of coherence and electron pairing, everything is bunched up so much there can't a lack. Everything is in phase, there can't be a difference between those constituents, so no inertia can affect that system up to a certain point. Given that you have this coherent potential on electron pairing, that will dissipate any single electrons that try to breach that barrier.

45:20 Speaker 3: It will not be allowed. So you can go thousands of miles an hour and turn on a dime or a break and there wouldn't be any feeling that You'd just be like you are sitting on your couch in your house right there.

45:34 Speaker 2: The only thing that would change. If you're looking out the window would be the position like what you're seeing, Yeah.

45:40 Speaker 3: The actual would be it would be moving like yeah, it would be or like a streak of light because your eyes can only you know, yeah, like and if you film in it then it can only pick up so many frames in a second. Yeah, so uh, it's gonna look like it's just disappearing. And if something goes fast enough, it can serve the illusion of a wormhole or a portal or teleportation. But something just needs to move fast enough, and a stationary, primitive observer will make up all these things about wormholes, but.

46:14 Speaker 2: You need to travel faster than because in that sense, In that sense, time does operate differently between.

46:23 Speaker 3: No, no, no. Time is the same and absolute and simultaneous in all frames of reference. And that is another thing I stand alone in. Time is not relative. Space and time do not link. Like Einstein thought, gravity does not affect time. Acceleration doesn't affect time. Time is not linked with light, Time is not linked with space. Time is completely independent from every factor in the universe. Einstein thought the speed of light remains the same no matter what, while time shifts. It's the other way around, time remains the same and simultaneous to everyone no matter what.

47:01 Speaker 3: Well, the speed of light shifts, and that's the entire point of relativity, is that they think the same light is distorting within the same frame of reference and that's always the same speed, and if you get a different speed, it's a red shift. But really that's a warping of space time, that's what they say, Like Doppler shift, they say is a warping of space and time, but it's not. It's just a free emission of the electrons. And that's a whole different story.

47:26 Speaker 2: So ah, man, that's gonna take me a minute to wrap my head around. Yeah, but for okay, yeah, I guess I'm gonna have to read some of those. So what you're saying is now because what I always thought was, like some of these instantaneous accelerations that people see with craft, seemingly instantaneous, seemingly yeah, seemingly instantaneous could be possible because from our perspective on the ground, it looked like it's traveling at a breakneck pace, but really what it was doing is popping in and out of time itself to give the illusion of So it's almost like people seem to recall this a lot that, like, the craft seems like that's skipping like a water, a rock on water, And could that be because it's literally punching out of what we call space time punching back in at a different coordinate, and it gives the illusion of a straight path because you know, time is also time being something that can be added to latitude and longitude, so it's another calculation that you add in and these crafter you know, also kind of like essentially time machines.

48:53 Speaker 2: So it's punching in and out, punching in and out to give the effect on the observer who's seeing that as breakneck acceleration. You see what I'm saying.

49:04 Speaker 3: You can you can model that under relativity using Lorentz invariants, thinking that the speed of light doesn't shift, so therefore time must shift and therefore space and time must warp around the object in order to have it skip through. No, I do not view it like that. I think you're just arriving at your destination faster. So if you're on the ship, you're just like seeing your destination h coming at you like you're going one hundred miles an hour a thousand miles an hour, ten thousand miles an hour, right, like ten million miles an hour.

49:38 Speaker 3: You're just going to arrive at your destination faster. No portals, no nothing, just linear from here to there. But you're protected from that electron pairing barrier, which is like a force field, a literal field of force. But time doesn't operate. Clocks will tick at a different rate on board that ship versus outside of that ship. But the clocks are not representative of all of reality. It's just the electrons or the atoms making up that one clock is being affected compared to all of the other clocks, not that time and reality is warping around the clock.

50:17 Speaker 3: That's what relativity says. Relativity says that the caesium atoms are like metronomes, right, So you have this one on the ground, and you have this one in space, and this one's in orbit. And they think that the caesium atom always ticks at the same rate like metronomesk. But in orbit, there's you're flying in orbit, right, So there's more gravity to a mountain range than there is to the trench of an ocean. So as the atomic clock is flying through those gravitational fluctuations. The caesium atom radioactive isotope is pulsing wall boom bom bom bom bom boom boom.

50:59 Speaker 3: So it's the metronome is clicking at different rates relative to the one that's not experiencing those fluctuations on the ground. But relativity says, all those metronomes are always clicking at the same rate, and any difference in clicks is space and time and reality itself warping around the metronome. No, just acknowledge that one metronome changed clicks. They don't. They think the radioactive isotope always oscillates at the same rate no matter what. But it changes with gravitational influence.

51:29 Speaker 3: So the difference in frequencies between atomic clocks and gps has nothing to do with relativity or space time curvature. It has to do with the pulsation of the electrons being different on the ground than.

51:42 Speaker 2: In the vacuum of space.

51:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're subject to different strengths of gravity. Just like if you put atomic clocks on two airplanes, one flies east around the globe, one flies west around the globe, and then they meet again, the two clocks will have drastically different times on them, yet they didn't experience reality any different. It's just that this clock oscillated at a different one than this time because this one's flying with the Earth and this one's flying against it, so one of them has more gravitational fluctuations than the other.

52:12 Speaker 3: So the difference in those fluctuations equals the timing difference of those radioactive isotopes, which has nothing to do with space time curvature or time dilation, and the alternate to time dilation is called a transverse relative time shift. Very technically, all it is is the difference of this clock pulses a difference between that clock, not that all of reality warps around the clocks.

52:35 Speaker 2: Got it, which would kind of when you say it like that makes a lot more kind of at least makes sense in my head. Where it's like that we're getting maybe we're thinking, we're overthinking it right.

52:49 Speaker 3: Way, overthinking it because they require there, they require either a ether medium to warp around the clocks or space time to warp around the clocks, because they need that speed of light to always be the same, and any difference, they say it's space and time warping. But rather than viewing it like that, you can see the same difference in clocks. You can see the same differences and stuff and say, it's just the electrons pulsing at different rates within the one reality we share. So if you go faster than light, you're just going to see the ship go faster than light.

53:23 Speaker 3: Within the one reality. You're just going to see your destination approach faster. You're not gonna be skipping through time, no violating causality, none of that, because time dilation is not real. There is no space time, there's no ether. It's not real.

53:38 Speaker 2: Okay, So operating on that, operating on.

53:43 Speaker 1: That, what.

53:49 Speaker 2: Oh god, that takes me so many, so many places. So okay, well we're talking about your sighting. So you see the thing. It sounds like you didn't. I had a picture of it or video of it before.

54:02 Speaker 3: Oh I leapt for my camera on my stomach as I'm seeing this thing, and I'm I'm fumbling with it, and I'm getting the sense in my head like you can either fumble with your camera and maybe you can get the last few seconds, or you could just look and experience what you've been meditating on and with trying to facilitate. Just look experience. So I did. I just like Jesus, I didn't get it. I practiced for five hours, bro five and a half hours, huh. And as soon as I put it on my balcony and I walk away, it happens like, so do you.

54:36 Speaker 3: They had to have been look some sick, morbid alien et with government. I don't know, man, whatever it is, somebody had to have been looking, dude, and we're.

54:44 Speaker 2: Like, go now, screw no, No, I think it's I think it's I think it is that to a certain degree. But I think it has to do with your consciousness and something to do with that, and I think that experience was probably for you. I just walked because they wouldn't understand as much as this freaking and this is what I'm like. That day that I saw what I saw, I only saw it because my mom had happened to ask me to stay home from school that day. I happened to be alone and board because this is before cell phones and all that.

55:27 Speaker 2: So I went outside and I started throwing the ball onto the roof because I had a slope, very inclined roof, so when you threw the tennis ball onto the top of it, it rolled down, pop off the gutter and you could kind of play catch with yourself. And while I was doing that, that's when I saw what I saw. So, you know, I think that sighting was for me, like for me to send me down a path where I became who I became. I asked the right questions I've been asked, and fortunately I've been in a lot of good.

56:04 Speaker 2: I seem to be as long as I make now and I really want to say this, as long as I make the right choice, I seem to end up in the right place at the right time. But when I deviate and I make the wrong choice, like drinking. I stopped drinking five and a half years ago. Drinking was a huge, huge inabilitator of mine. And when I was making the wrong choices, I was not in the right place right I was at the wrong place at the wrong time. But once I got back on track, and unfortunately, you know that included my mother passing away, but she made sure to give me one more nudge in the right direction.

56:51 Speaker 2: And the day I often say the day she died, actually the minute she died was the minute total disclosure was born because of what I because I had another experience this time much more supernatural, if you will, because I saw about a softball sized orb in the room as she passed that as she transitioned, and it went out the window. And I'm colorblind, I don't know if it was emitting any color. It just looked like if you've ever looked down a highway on like a really really hot day, that distortion blur, the heat blur.

57:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you balled that up into like a softball, That's what I was seeing. And it went across my field of view, hooked an L, So across my field of view, hooks an L, you know, down the length of the room, out the window, and boom up. And then when I looked back at my mother, she was no longer there. Did I see her soul depart? I don't know, I don't I don't want to know, but that at that moment I left Hollywood, I left everything I was doing behind and I said, I will not stop until I have answers.

58:12 Speaker 2: And I've been in the right place at the right time to facilitate conversations with Congress and nuclear witnesses and to do things at contact in the desert that you know, it was my first year there. I shouldn't have been doing. They didn't know me at all. There's so many more like synchronicities and stuff that have happened accordingly. But I've there's something consciousness. I think is something, and it's something.

58:43 Speaker 3: More, absolutely huge, and that's I think that's why.

58:50 Speaker 2: Who did you say earlier that was they were getting these visions in dreams from twelve? Yes, what is that? I think that's the muse right, that's the one. Right. The number of conscious minds in the universe is one.

59:09 Speaker 2: He's clearly pulling from something, something is working through him. What is that?

59:16 Speaker 3: I think? John Cearle also seemed to think that the information is in the DNA. And he grew up in an orphanage. He was an abandoned child, abused, He was beaten until he was deaf in his left ear and mostly deaf in his right ear. And then when he's five or six years old, they figured he can't really hear us anyway, so why bother with him? So they left him to his own devices and just beat him. In this orphanage, he's nuns and it's just a horrible upbringing. And all he had was his own thoughts and his own dreams.

59:52 Speaker 3: And he deciphered his dreams, which were like Hopscott squares that he translated into a Sidoku like math called magic squares that he that hadn't been used for five thousand years apparently low shoes magic squares. And then the other dream was going up a rafter a ladder to an attic. He lifts open the top of the attic door and there's a bale of hay and a ring around the attic door with spokes at the end of the ring, and then the hey catches fire and he's terrified, but then something tells him, don't worry.

1:00:31 Speaker 3: You're in the center of the ring.

1:00:33 Speaker 2: You're gonna be okay.

1:00:35 Speaker 3: So that led him to think that the Sidoku squares represent atomic energy in its random state, and that when you transpose that energy and put it into an ordered, coherent state, that you get an electric current from that and it draws from the energy all around us. So by and so he got just from his dreams, and then he was hired as a a supervisor at fourteen years old at the largest industrial electric plant that ran all of London. So he used these dreams and his ideas to information conta. He said that the information is like in your DNA, and it takes a trump traumatic catalyst or some catalyst to bring it out.

1:01:24 Speaker 3: I personally believe in reincarnation. So he's probably done this many many, many lives, and this is just yet another one where his trauma from his childhood brought it out somehow, and or he could access some larger cloud of consciousness like the One mind and derive that information through his own consciousness. I don't know how how would you discern the difference? Right, indistinguishable? But the fact of the matter is that he got these ideas.

1:01:55 Speaker 2: Yeah and all, and and I know you clearly have your issues with Einstein, but even Tesla Modzart, A lot of these pioneers in in in this stuff, and just like in these fields, talk about how some sort of thought experiment, meditation or dream is where where they get the information, and they it's each one of them says that it seems that the universe is working through them. I mean, that's why music is called music, right, It's it's the muse using the musician as as as as a conduit exactly to put the information out there.

1:02:49 Speaker 2: We talk about the hundred monkey, right, the hundred monkey that finally uses a tool to shape his environment or to make a process easier. And once that hundredth monkey does it across the world another pack. It's almost like it's instantaneous. And once that and another thing is like someone will break a world record for something and then ten other people will break that record. Yeah, Like why why? I believe in coincidence up unto a point.

1:03:24 Speaker 3: Then it becomes synchronicity.

1:03:25 Speaker 2: Then it becomes synchronicity, Like a coincidence is like oh I saw my my my neighbor at the grocery store. That's a coincidence. What is not a coincidence is if.

1:03:39 Speaker 3: See your neighbor every time you go out somewhere and they're looking at you like it's stalking me or something something more going.

1:03:46 Speaker 2: On, right, Or what I was gonna say is what there's not a coincidence is when you have a a thought come through your head randomly about your neighbor and then your neighbor's calling you. Right, I don't think that's a coincidence. I think that is some sort of cognitive like it's it's it's maybe it is our brains picking it up early, right, like it's instinct. But on a whole nother level. Extrapolate that on a on a on a conscious level. Right, why do we have instinct? Why why is there such thing as deja vous?

1:04:25 Speaker 2: And I think it's because most likely you're right that reincarnation to some degree is is in fact real.

1:04:32 Speaker 3: Now, remember there was these house speakers by the company clips I had them, and they had a anomaly that when somebody would call you on your cell phone, the speakers would.

1:04:46 Speaker 2: Go bumping up, bumping up, just.

1:04:50 Speaker 3: A half of a second or a second before your cell phone started to ring. So the signal was actually interpreted and picked up by the house speakers before the cell phone actually started to ring. And it was very consistent. So why couldn't that happen? Also with communication, with ideas and consciousness, where there is an aspect before you even say something, just the intention, the intention has been born and you're going to say something to that person, you're going to do an action. There is an energy, a shock wave or something put out that can be detected before the actual happening.

1:05:29 Speaker 3: And there's animals and different people, if different awareness states that can pick that up. Like even in an earthquake, there's an animals flea they get a signal before the happening something, even with a solar flare. Some people women are very sensitive to solar flares. Their bodily cycle changes. Well, there's gonna be a solar flare, baby, what are you talking about later that day? There's an X class solar flare. Right, that's very consistent. There's signals that happened before what everybody no case because it's known that it takes the sun, you know, eight and a half minutes eight point three to three minutes for light to come to the Sun, and the particles travel even slower.

1:06:20 Speaker 3: So if there's a solar flat, how could you get a signal before the I don't know. There's something like a web of connection or something that a ripple gets sent out, but not through a medium. There's some other energy that's like a longitudinal faster than light energy, and I think that is is it's the mechanism is the electro electron pairs when they split. It could because electron pairs can travel faster than light, but single electrons cannot because they are in a state of coherence and they don't subject to inertia the same way.

1:06:58 Speaker 3: So there's different rules for electron on pairs than single bosons versus fermions. Right, but they have a particle wave duality that does that. I don't subscribe to that either, So that's another aspect I don't the particle wave duality and the double slid experiments. Ah, there's four different experiments. Uh that before.

1:07:18 Speaker 2: You, yeah, before you, before you say that. Ah, God, damn it, I just lost it. What I call that is it's it's it's almost like these things are happening at the speed of thought, the speed of now, which is much faster than the speed of light.

1:07:34 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, right, it's the light of signal has a delay from here to there at the speed of light, the velocity of sea one hundred and eighty six and eighty two miles a second. But there's another aspect which is faster than that. Might not be instant. Maybe it's just faster than light. I don't know. Maybe it is instant, but whatever it is, Like, oh, when you sit in a bathtub and the bat and the water level rise is simultaneously, that's the instant. So why couldn't there be some equal and opposite reaction in real time simultaneous through entanglement quantum?

1:08:11 Speaker 3: But it's something it's something else and uh and I try to mention that in my talks and writings and books and diagrams and rantings.

1:08:21 Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, I just want to say this. Obviously, this is a members only like so we're we're recording this, but members always get early in ad free access. So that's why I keep it looking like a like a live stream. But all the links for for your books will be in the description below when the podcast comes out. And one of these days, i'd really love to have you in studio travel together, yeah, and or Boston. Oh yeah, you know we're we're working on getting people to fly out, so you know, we we I also have a guest room in the in the studio that people can stay in.

1:09:07 Speaker 2: So but once it talked so so you were going to go into this, I really do find the entanglement thing that you said. I I I don't agree with you, but that's okay. I'm not we're not here for an ecto chamber and and and we're allowed to disagree. Uh. But I'm also not a scientist, and you know, I just want to preface that. So with that being said,

1:09:36 Speaker 2: you've crafted uh, well if free energy became reality tomorrow, like literally tomorrow. They came out and said, here it is, guys, we we've had it. How do you envision it? Like reactually reshaping reality economically.

1:10:00 Speaker 3: New jobs, because you're gonna have to retrofit everything. You're not gonna have to have the same power lines, You're not gonna have to have the same nuclear plants, You're not gonna have to have the same infrastructure. So all of the jobs created to phase out the old and in with a new that's a multi generation project that's gonna last and make everybody money in the process. So asteroid mining will also open up so that you don't need to deplete the Earth resources. You can get them from the asteroid belt in between Mars and Jupiter.

1:10:37 Speaker 3: There's plenty there in that and do that very quickly. But that'll have to be locked down. You gotta, because you don't want a big old asteroid being hurled at the planet and somehow it's just the psycho that would really mess things up everybody. Yeah, that has to be regulated. But the technology is there, the potential at least, I don't know if they've cracked it already, but if they have aspects of it they are hiding it and we could be benefiting like Star Trek or the Jetsons rather than on the Flintstones.

1:11:10 Speaker 3: And I use that analogy a lot over the years.

1:11:13 Speaker 2: I love that.

1:11:14 Speaker 3: But even in the Jetsons, they are still pushing buttons, you know what I mean, They still have yeah, yeah, labor.

1:11:19 Speaker 2: So I like the Star Trek rather than the Jetsons. Yes, do you think now? I'm I. I think we can have plenty of conversations where you and I go into like really really deep deep stuff with this this free energy. But considering it's the first time, I do like to get a I like to have a little bit of to get to know you, get to get to know what you think. So putting that, putting the technological stuff to the side for a minute, I want to have you speculate with me. What do you think? Do you think? First off, do you think there are non human intelligence visiting this earth?

1:12:14 Speaker 3: Yeah? I do, But I think they're subterranean and I think they've been here a lot longer than humans on the surface. So they probably established like ten to one hundred miles below the surface, not in a hollow earth like a Gartha or something, but just huge cave systems that would rival small countries all over the globe. And I think that we see them coming in and out of volcanoes and oceans, and they might not be from way out there, but they have a home base or something here for a long long time, and we might even be an experiment from that.

1:12:51 Speaker 3: I don't know. You can make movies about the thoughts that I have, that's for sure, But I do think that I do think that there are there are other beings here, and that's that could help explain some of the sightings over the course of human history in the planet.

1:13:09 Speaker 2: Congressman Burchett was just on Newsmax and he's a friend of mine, but he was just on Newsmax and a bunch of other shows now, because you know, he's been always pretty forward thinking with this stuff, especially as a religious man. Uh, but he had just kind of sad. So he was on on the show with another friend of mine, a VI Lobe, and I mean he just drops this bombshell that you know, he thinks he knows that that these things are coming from our oceans and other places.

1:13:46 Speaker 3: That part that part I agree with.

1:13:48 Speaker 2: I do too.

1:13:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're coming in and out there's us os UFOs whatever they're identified objects coming in and out of whatnot. But uh, that's kind of a think that's just a reality, whether it's an adversary or not. There's stuff going on here, like a bigger, bigger story, a.

1:14:10 Speaker 2: Way bigger story. And do you think that that's I mean, do you think that it is a possibility that what we're seeing today the same thing that we call aliens because of our reference of our reference for technology and and all the things that we have today. You know, I think it's easy us for us to think aliens and you know, uh, yes, advanced artificial life forms and that's what it is. But all I mean also, could this be what our ancestors called gods and then angels and demons and you know, so on and so forth.

1:14:53 Speaker 2: Uh do you think that we might be using different language for for the same thing essentially?

1:14:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, And I have a discernment. I have a lot of semantics and technicalities.

1:15:06 Speaker 1: Uh.

1:15:06 Speaker 3: I think there's a major difference between aliens and extra terrestrials. Aliens are completely totally foreign from Earth, but Earth is called terra We are terrestrials, and if a species leaves Earth establishes, colonizes elsewhere and comes back, or they colonize other than Earth. You or extra terrestrial because now you're.

1:15:29 Speaker 2: Braining your eyes. I like that.

1:15:34 Speaker 3: So even though you have like outposts, or Earth might be an outpost. They've been here for a long time, generations, so they are of terra. They are terrestrials, but they have gone other places.

1:15:46 Speaker 2: They are have extra territory.

1:15:48 Speaker 3: Then I might have alien friends who've never been here, so they visit to I don't know how it works, man, you know, I see I see Star Trek and Star Wars like everybody else. We can expeculate. I know what I want there to be. Yeah, like total recall. But yeah, I don't think we're gonna get he got the joke.

1:16:07 Speaker 2: Excellent, that's funny. Well I asked that because you know, a lot of people they think that by that that by meddling and talking about this stuff, that we're invoking demons and that we're invoking that we're playing with fire.

1:16:35 Speaker 3: Basically, it's a convenient excuse to get people not to talk, I guess, to scare them with religion and stuff.

1:16:43 Speaker 2: Right right, right, And that's again, you know, we can get into it but I do think religion. I think it probably started off very pure, but it also was a mechanism of control.

1:16:56 Speaker 3: Yes, controlling if if it's genuine when that you know they're ets or whatever. Uh. I would think that like the Egyptian pyramids were probably made by them, and like the Puma Punku and all these sites around the world. Yeah, like probably made using the same geopolymer concrete type process, which I I have that mentioned on the flyer again with the dividivits and the can't really see that, but whatever it says, Uh, geopolymer concrete. There you go.

1:17:30 Speaker 2: And do you think that's why we see that same archaeol are archaeology, Jesus, I can't say it.

1:17:37 Speaker 3: That's yeah, archaeology a theological.

1:17:41 Speaker 2: The the the pyramid, the theme, the the god. What am I why can't I find the word for?

1:17:50 Speaker 3: I think it's like paying homage to where they came from, like the three pyramids aligning with Orion. Uh. Maybe the people are from Orion area or something, and so they just built the temples to signify that. Like it's not really a far stretch, it's not. I think I think the technology is lost and been taken or uh. It's just no longer around. So we're left clueless. Like the Egyptians made these pyramids and these how did they do it? I think they I think they stumbled upon it. And then the three smaller pyramids.

1:18:25 Speaker 3: I think they tried making the three smaller pyramids and they were trash and they were like and then the and then the people were like, you didn't make those large ones. He's like, yeah I did, We'll do it again, okay. And they tried making the three small ones.

1:18:39 Speaker 2: They were like were He was like, ship, bro, what are you talking about?

1:18:44 Speaker 3: Then there was an exodus out of there because everybody thought he was a liar.

1:18:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, No, dude, Dude makes sense, It really does. If I if I came across the pyramids and then other people came and they were like who made those? Be like me, I'm awesome. Of course I would. But you know, we have these remote viewers like Pop Praise and Ingo Swan and UH and Dame Jim McGonagall and dames and all these people who have remote remote viewed the moon Mars and they see that those same structural types, the same style, uh, and whether it's you know, a million b c or you know, a couple thousand years ago.

1:19:41 Speaker 2: We're seeing that these things are popping up and they all look the same. They're that pyramidal structure. And you know, we're taught in school that none of these cultures had contact with each other, yet they write pretty much identical origin stories just you know, insert cultural cultural difference.

1:20:05 Speaker 3: Here.

1:20:07 Speaker 2: We're seeing the same stories across the globe. And if you want to believe, or if you're open to believing what they remote viewed on Mars and the Moon, clearly there's something going on, and there seems to be this this thing that comes after the flood reteaches civilization, and

1:20:35 Speaker 2: I don't know, there's just so many similarities that you again going back to what's coincidence and what's not that is not coincidence.

1:20:46 Speaker 3: No, I think like the go Bleckie, I always mispronounced that gob Leglectly, there it is and.

1:20:54 Speaker 2: Are some of these strongest examples.

1:20:57 Speaker 3: And I think that depicts an event from about thirteen thousand years ago where there was an asteroid or some collision that really devastated the planet around the globe and caused floods, biblical floods and all this devastation and all these different societies tried to depict that event through their own style around the world. And if they didn't do it a high enough elevation, then it's underwater, under sand or something. So I think information has been lost quite a bit. Like I still cry for the Alexandria Library, you know, Oh, I'll never get over, never get over.

1:21:41 Speaker 2: But and again this is this is one of a huge problem, is the destroying of history.

1:21:54 Speaker 3: She who wins the wars writes the history.

1:21:56 Speaker 2: Books, right. But we that is like the Spaniards in

1:22:04 Speaker 2: South America, right, just.

1:22:07 Speaker 3: Absolutely just decimated conquista do literally decimating. They taught them Spanish though, mm.

1:22:17 Speaker 2: And but the craziest thing about that is they thought that they this this person was the return of that quetzal Quattal figure or that that figure that that.

1:22:31 Speaker 3: That the same Messiah type figure to be report.

1:22:35 Speaker 2: Comebackers, right, and and and and and they let their guard down.

1:22:40 Speaker 3: And or the handbags from the Mesopotamia, the Babylonian Sumerians in.

1:22:47 Speaker 2: The box always seen. And now now what is our president never more than a few feet away from the nuclear football? Oh yeah, which is stored in what which is storted? What? Uh lead a brief game. Yeah, briefcase very if it's lead, but yeah, they.

1:23:13 Speaker 3: Get a very place.

1:23:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, but a handbag.

1:23:18 Speaker 3: With a handcuff, yeah.

1:23:19 Speaker 2: Yeah. And and the the the isotopic ratios that we've seen on Mars with the Zion what is it Zion?

1:23:30 Speaker 3: But the sid the.

1:23:32 Speaker 2: There's evidence of a nuclear war on Mars.

1:23:36 Speaker 3: Oh uh yeah, and there isn't there a debris within deserts that are glassy like that doesn't match any of the type of materials on Earth. So they figure it might have been blasted from the surface of Mars and then ended up here. Yes, I think I think it did have a catastrophic impact, and they've clearly probably Yeah, but even a catastrophic impact, a catastrophic impact of that magnitude will initiate a nuclear explosion. So it might not be waracally, but it will be a nuclear event from an impact just above the surface before it touches just right, right right.

1:24:15 Speaker 2: And that's where that's where I wanted to go next is obviously we talked about lost technology and how we might be rediscovering it. Uh, Plato in Atlantis, do you maybe now maybe because the chain of command or for Atlantis, I mean, it's like ten thousand years before it actually gets written down. So let's let's let's just call it Atlantis for lack of a better term. But do you believe that there there was an advanced civilization and it was lost due to some sort of global catastrophe and maybe that those people, those people might be what we could be seeing today went underground or whatever.

1:25:08 Speaker 3: I like the you know, the I want to believe poster back there with the with the picture of the UFO. That's that's a picture from Billy Meyer that he could have taken. Yeah, and I like billy Meyer's takes on on some stuff, even though it's very controversial. I'm a whacked out, heretical guy.

1:25:31 Speaker 2: Well he did have a handler, yeah, well a.

1:25:34 Speaker 3: Lot of people do. Well he only had one handler. But poor guy, this guy, Billy Meyer only had one arm. Everybody, if you didn't know that, oh.

1:25:47 Speaker 2: My god, the funniest.

1:25:51 Speaker 3: We gotta be quick here. But his take on the Atlantis and MoU m you that they were like twenty two million years ago, and that they were rivaling cities, and that there was another planet in between Mars and Jupiter called Melona, and that planet somehow got destroyed, and that's now the asteroid Belt. The people went from that planet to Mars and then to Earth and there was just catastrophe. Then they and then some guy named atlant like established a colony on Earth, so the whole Earth was called Atlantis.

1:26:32 Speaker 3: And then there was a society and a Maine city and the Yucatan Peninsula, and then the rivaling city of Atlantis and Moo were fighting and the people from Atlantis destroyed Moo with advanced weapons. The remaining people from Moo were so pissed off they grabbed a piece of the asteroid and hurled it towards Earth, making the crater in the Yucatan Peninsula now. And then people were devastated, civilizations were lost, and then here we are clueless again with all the pyramids. That's Billy Meyer's story.

1:27:06 Speaker 3: I think that's kind of cool. But other than that, I don't know.

1:27:10 Speaker 2: I just think that's the way where the astroid strike that wiped out the dinosaurs.

1:27:17 Speaker 3: That was allegedly sixty five million years.

1:27:19 Speaker 2: Ago, where that might have been that impact.

1:27:24 Speaker 3: I thought that some people some people claim that was Yucatan, other people claim that's another area. Not sure, okay, but there's big old basins and.

1:27:35 Speaker 2: Creative candidates under the ocean.

1:27:39 Speaker 3: That's Billy Meyer's claim is that the Yucatan Peninsula was associated with the arrival between Atlantis and Moon.

1:27:46 Speaker 2: Well, that that is also kind of the story of Anki and m Litl, isn't it.

1:27:52 Speaker 3: I'm not as familiar with that, but I know the story, but I have to have a refreshment.

1:27:56 Speaker 2: I mean, and then and then we could even extrapolate that out further and say that I mean the Anaki, that that story the of the story of the Aak and and and different. I don't know. I do find it fascinating. What do you think of the work of like Graham Hancock and and and Randall Carlson and some of these other guys that have come come after them, Now that you know the Internet is allowed for different you know, alternative alternative theories to not be mainstream, but also not to.

1:28:32 Speaker 3: Be not mainstream alternative bullying too. You know, yes, about the people who bring this, but uh, because it.

1:28:40 Speaker 2: Calls into line with what you're doing and in a weird way difference, and it's it's been ostracized. Uh.

1:28:49 Speaker 3: I know about Graham Hancock's takes like on Egypt here and there. I never really read his books, so I can't give a good opinions. I know that he's like into the ancient civilisations type stuff, and people railroad him against that.

1:29:03 Speaker 1: Uh.

1:29:04 Speaker 3: With Carlson, I'm not as much into his takes. I've responded on a number of his posts that are just like completely like what bro huh like.

1:29:16 Speaker 2: Nah.

1:29:17 Speaker 3: So I'm not a supporter as much as Carlson as I am Handcock. But I can't really say I'm a real supporter of Handcock because I haven't really studied Demand's work. I just know he has controversial claims about ancient societies and I'm all about that, but I don't know the particulars of that because.

1:29:33 Speaker 2: I just well, I implore you. I think that it could really inform some of your work that you're doing,

1:29:41 Speaker 2: and I'd give it a look. What do you think about? What do you think about? Doctor Greer? Clearly something works right the thing.

1:29:54 Speaker 1: It?

1:29:55 Speaker 2: A lot of people report success with it.

1:29:58 Speaker 3: Now, I think a lot of people misidentify what they're seeing a lot of times where they want to see something. So you know, you have to put yourself and check your ego majorly with that. So that's why I'm like, I'm able to talk about this because this thing was over my house. You know, you get ninety over ninety percent of what you see is going to be explainable. It's just like, oh, oh okay. But when you have a true anomally and you witness something like that sticks with you and there is no explaining it, and then you're trying to write books and do everything you can to explain what you saw because it's just doesn't match with what what everybody accepts and agrees with.

1:30:42 Speaker 3: Now, so yeah, I'm not with consensus. I have a meme with the Galileo. I said, to all those who think that science is a consensus or who think the science is settled, I present you with Galileo's preserved middle finger. Yeah, and in a museum is the real middle finger of Galileo a skeletal finger. And I have that to me because yeah, yeah, that's on display when they were moving his body that somebody like accidentally broke off his finger, so they just put it separate and they have it in like this this thing, and it's just like this this middle finger, just like it, it's his middle finger.

1:31:25 Speaker 2: To the church all they had to do is look through the telescope, and they would not.

1:31:29 Speaker 3: So I used that meme a lot for people who are like an appeal to tradition or appeal to authority. I just po, well, you know, so here's what Galileo says to you. Right, the guy that was on house arrests, they almost burned him at the steak. Yeah, they almost burned him at the steak. They did it with Giordano Bruno. Yeah, suggesting there was life on other planets. And they they gouged his eyes out, break his ripped his tongue out, and then burned him a lot. They didn't just go bay.

1:32:00 Speaker 2: This is where I go back to, I think. But here's the thing is, I think, you know, a lot of people want to give credit to like intelligence agencies being a new thing and the cover up originating from the modern day intelligence community and and uh O S S and you know, uh then you know comes the National Security Act, which you know then broadens the intelligence community and and creates several uh apparatuses. But I think the cover up really began with the Vatican Church. Oh god, yeah, with the with the not the Vatican Church, the Vaticant and the church, but the Vatican was the first intelligence agency.

1:32:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, with their catacombs of all of the works that are being hoarded and people are restricted to see. That must be nice. But the remember the Department of Department of Defense was originally called the Department of the Navy, and they switched over which now is Department of War, I guess, but they that was originally Department of the Navy. So all the exotic tech and the patents and all that stuff was all under the auspice of the Navy. Then that switched to call it something different, but I think it's still all might fall under the Navy.

1:33:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, where I'm going with that is, you know, I think religion started as a pretty probably probably something to give people hope and give them purpose and reason. I mean, we look around the world right now, there's so much distraction, right like there's there's there's TV shows that we could watch and get lost in and you know, you can go and and you know, we live pretty good lives, pretty full lives, and and that's it. There's they didn't have that, you know, they didn't have that. So their lives revolved around like their their their faith and their ambitions for you know, creating this world that we end up with now.

1:34:31 Speaker 2: So again, I think it started off pretty pure.

1:34:34 Speaker 3: I mean, remember, it didn't start up here because people were beaten into submission, forced to believe that. Then they kidnapped the people's kids, killed the parents, raised the kids with the religion, and then they had kids, so then they killed those parents raised them with it, so like uh, and now everybody just does it on their own. Yeah, So it's that. I don't think it started out very pure. The idea itself, that there's something larger and we're a part of that, a consciousness.

1:35:01 Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's what I mean.

1:35:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, But to me, religion is many times the commercialization of spirituality, which were supposed to be about nature and creation.

1:35:12 Speaker 2: But not even Jesus if you if you I'm not particularly anything, I know there's something I don't. I don't subscribe to any of the beliefs that are out there, uh, exactly the way that they're written. Because even the Bible was curated by men, you know, the Council of Nicea. They left out books like the the Book of Enoch, which I think, you know, is one of the most fascinating texts that there are Uh. And again I could go ahead do a lot of that, but I'll spare people the I'll spare it. I'll spare it for the day.

1:35:59 Speaker 2: Where was that going with? Uh?

1:36:03 Speaker 3: Just take take the good aspects of all the stuff and try to apply them to your life where its possible.

1:36:08 Speaker 2: I guess then that and that's yeah, okay, there you go. That's what I meant is I think that thought of something greater than ourselves, and you know, having those rules, not rules, but like the the Commandment ish stuff like guide don't guidelines to living a life that's not you're you're not hurting someone else, your you know, being the best self that you can be, and and giving to your you know, giving to society, and and not imposing your will on others exactly exactly. I think all that is well and good, But when you start because Jesus said that, that's where I was going with this.

1:36:52 Speaker 2: Jesus said that, I mean, we call them churches, which is really weird because Jesus said church was each You are the church, right, you are the church. The building that we go to that people go to isn't the church. You are the church, and you bring the church wherever you go, so this idea that the building is and like you know, mega mega churches a really run with this, this this idea and like you have to give money to the church, like the mega you know, and it's it's it's so clearly, so clearly pay for play.

1:37:46 Speaker 3: And your speechless.

1:37:53 Speaker 2: It makes me sadly, like the Jolos a devil. If if if there's a demon and it's on earth, Joel Ostein is not Joel Ostein. Who's the other one.

1:38:07 Speaker 3: Who's that guy with the wind of God?

1:38:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, the one who speaks to God like every he's like yeah, okay, okay, God, okay, okay okay, and then.

1:38:20 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. But the.

1:38:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, he looks like a demon. He's and then he's on that interview with the the the lady's interviewing him at his private jet hanger and she's like why, yeah, hey there, why do you need a private jet? Like

1:38:44 Speaker 2: and he dude, he's he starts like freaking out and like acting like a demon. Dude, Like he's like smiles, yeah, and he's like, God, God told me I needed this private jet. And it's like, dude, what the fuck.

1:39:07 Speaker 3: You my God?

1:39:12 Speaker 2: So but to get off that. What do you think the correlation between yes, yes, Copeland, Copeland, that's who it is. Copeland. Uh, that guy is a literal demon. Yeah, it's all about the tithe giving to the church. If you're not giving to the and if you if you, if you're not seeing results, it's because you haven't given enough, not just the church, but to me specifically, specifically because because Copeland is yeah, yeah, nonprofit religion, that's what.

1:40:02 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:40:03 Speaker 2: Tax exempt, Yeah, tax exempt. Check off fourteen boxes and you're good. Did you know that the Hell's Angel is technically, uh is a nonprofit and it falls under that church category. They have meeting houses, they meet at once a month. They give them back to the community. Yep, give back to the community and they fall. Dude, they literally check off more boxes than the Catholic Church.

1:40:31 Speaker 3: So I don't know what to make of that.

1:40:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, government, government saw a way of kill me. Yeah, government saw a way of control because they needed a way to control religion. Even though it's against like there's a separation of church and state, right, they still needed a way to control religion. So well, we'll give you some tax breaks and oh you know, well we'll give nonprofit stat is, and you know you think God would let that happen, not.

1:41:09 Speaker 3: Without a fee? Nor so.

1:41:13 Speaker 2: Do you do you think that I'm going way left field here, I'm taking a hard right turn. Do you think that abductions occur?

1:41:28 Speaker 3: Dam? Yeah, I mean I do, given that there's so many people with so many stories. Uh, whether it be sleep paralysis or or what. All it takes is for one of them to be true and then it kind of makes it all real. So uh, it's like pretty good odds. I think if just one of them is real throughout all of human history, I think there's some pretty good, it's pretty good stories, but the rest of them probably probably fake as hell. There's a lot of but I think there's there's a lot of good stories, man, and I love listening to them all.

1:42:10 Speaker 3: I'm particular. I believe it, but you got you gotta take it on a case by case basis. Yeah, but in general, like, is it possible? Yeah? Is it happening? I don't know. Do I want it to happen? Probably not? But do I want it to be happening because it would mean it's real?

1:42:32 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's because again this this connotation of angels and demons, right, like Chris Bledsoe. I don't know if you're familiar with.

1:42:45 Speaker 3: Him only from what I've seen, like the controversy on X and stuff going back and forth. I just I don't know. But apparently he's a ball of light or something and prayer and like psionics and stuff.

1:42:59 Speaker 2: So essentially essentially what he does is CE five but with a religious overtone overtone.

1:43:07 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but he interprets like birds and planes and satellites and stuff sometimes, uh again, case by case basis everybody.

1:43:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I also don't think it's the secret that I in the government have been very interested in him.

1:43:28 Speaker 3: Well, and that's a red flag, isn't it.

1:43:32 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a red flag. I don't. I don't because I've met Chris. I know Chris. Do I agree with everything he says? No?

1:43:43 Speaker 3: Didn't he get pissed off because they miss characterized what he was saying about being overly religious or something. They expliced his argument. That was like the thing that I saw that I didn't pay attention to what the argument.

1:43:54 Speaker 2: He got kicked out of his church for church. Yeah, you got kicked out of his church? He was what do they call that when you get kicked.

1:44:05 Speaker 3: Outd He was like church excommunicated I or just that one chapter. I don't know what.

1:44:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have to I'll have to. Yeah, I'll have to look into that. But his church excommunicated him because of his claims of of what happened and the whole town. They almost took his kids away. I mean there's a lot of bad Yeah, there's a lot of bad stuff and like, and this is my point is his original sighting is pretty standard. It's the stuff that came after that kind of adds that religious like lady in white, you know, you can always go there, you can always go to the biblical connection, like right, So do I think that he might be like, does the phenomena also present itself in a way that you'd be okay with?

1:45:06 Speaker 2: I think that is probably something we might have to think about, like right for him some people, Yeah, for him, an angel might might be something he's willing to come face to face with where someone else can see, uh a being with big black eyes and not completely lose their mind.

1:45:29 Speaker 3: Right, So I think Bob, you know, and yeah, if you if you, if you can accept something, you're not gonna get scared you know. That's that's one thing, but uh, I think something of to that degree would be traumatic and somebody would automatically associated with the damon for sure.

1:45:47 Speaker 2: Right, and not to mention, there's cases like Virginia where the beings had they looked kind of like, oh, you can't see it, I moved it. They looked like the archetypal alien, but they had three protrusions on their head that kind of gave the illusion of horns. They had red eyes, and they smelled like ammonia. And what does ammonia smell like? Ammonia smells like sulfur? And what is what do people think when they smell fire? Devil brimmed stone? Right, this thing's got red eyes. The girls that saw it, they ran home told their mother that they saw a demon something red eyes.

1:46:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

1:46:42 Speaker 2: It has what looks like horns. It's given himself a bad look, right there, man, Right, No, no, because I think again we've conflated what a demon is in the.

1:46:56 Speaker 3: Days demonsing somebody who's not even a demon, even though they might look demon issue demon esque.

1:47:04 Speaker 2: I'm sorry though, but horns and glowing red eyes is not a good start.

1:47:08 Speaker 3: No, It's even if they're a nice guy here, nice being Uh, well, you look scary as hell.

1:47:14 Speaker 2: Man instinct would kick in, yeah, right, instinct to kick in, and you'd be a little bit apprehensive, which is totally you know, something something that we've had to deal with that's still in our DNA. It's in our DNA.

1:47:31 Speaker 3: Uh.

1:47:32 Speaker 2: You know, only a few people ago were we hunting hunter gatherers, you know, no electricity, and you know, anything that made noises in the nighttime became a serious issue because you know, it was a serious issue. So we have to That's that that that is still in our DNA somewhere. That's you know, that's wild.

1:47:56 Speaker 3: That's that's a whole the flight or the flight with big animals and stuff that I think an entirely different psychology than encountering a potential society or beings from someplace else that are much more advanced than you. Like you're caught off guard. You're at the top of the food chain, mental chain.

1:48:13 Speaker 1: Here.

1:48:14 Speaker 3: You encounter something that's not of this place or that you're familiar with. You're like, have no idea the capabilities. You don't know if you're gonna get eaten. You don't know they're you don't know anything. It just get real all of a sudden. But that that psychology is not that's not a known thing yet. Even even when like those this tribe and the Amazon that doesn't want to be contacted by the rest of the outside world. They like to them like we're we're the aliens to them, and they don't want any contact.

1:48:50 Speaker 3: They're scared as hell, even though we look somewhat similar, you know, but when you get into an advanced society, they don't even look like us. They just look like you would run or you would like, like, look like a demon.

1:49:05 Speaker 2: What are you gonna do?

1:49:06 Speaker 3: You're gonna flip up. It's just a natural psychological thing until you have more context over the course of generations, uh, like District nine or something, you know, Like right, it would take a long time to adapt and acclimate to something that shocking and different if they look just like even if they look just like this. But the more that they don't look like us, the harder it's gonna be to relate.

1:49:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right, No, absolutely we are. When we have problems with racial right differences in this in the world that we live in, imagine a whole other species, uh, coming into that like and.

1:49:54 Speaker 3: There was a show Alien Nation or something. Remember that. It's like there's a it's like a sci fi shows aliens that had to incorporate in society, and there was like a whole this is aliens around and they had to get jobs and stuff, just like everybody. But it's like having to incorporate an advanced society with Earth and like into the whole show. There's a whole show on that.

1:50:16 Speaker 2: It's probably interesting. Yeah, now that would be a good remake.

1:50:22 Speaker 2: So we're almost at the two hour marks. So that's right, Jason, after twenty years of working relentlessly and constant pushback, what is one message you want the listeners to take away about free energy, UFOs and the fight for truth?

1:50:44 Speaker 3: Try to discern for yourself how things operate by using what's around you and doing experiments to yourself. Try to get in the same mind state as the originators, like Newton, Galileo, drops something off a building, shine light through a prism, do what they did to see what they saw. Don't just trust the textbooks because they conflict many times of what's reality then what is being taught. So by experimenting and seeing how there are discrepancies, major then you're gonna say, wait a minute, I'm gonna have to go on my own and do it anyway, despite everybody else going against the grain and saying that it's impossible.

1:51:30 Speaker 3: Do it anyway, because even if you're wrong, you're gonna learn what not to do, and you're gonna help people understand what the right way is. So if something is real and you investigate it, you might discover something and create jobs. Free people give people more opportunities. Right, If something is not real and you don't try, nothing is lost, nothing is gained. But if something is it's real and you don't try, you fail at life and you lose everything and gain nothing. So just by trying, you can eliminate two whole realities.

1:52:10 Speaker 3: Just see things from a different point of view, listen to everybody, trust no one. Apply the information of the similarities to your own life and your own experiments, and form your own conclusions. Another thing, put videos on mute. Watch things for yourself. Don't have any of the influence of the captions or what they're saying. Just observe for yourself before you're influenced by what the explanations they give you. Look at things on mute like how things behave and then your brain will form something and then listen to people and then you be like, ah, that doesn't make sense.

1:52:44 Speaker 3: But if you're listening to people as you're watching it, your brain will adopt what they're saying and it will be harder to form your own opinion if you have a conflicting opinion. So just do it anyway, do things for yourself and try to look at things without laying which just interpret things with just pure thought and visuals that it'll help your wow thought process. And the more new things that you see, the more new things that you taste and smell, your brain synapses will help with the totality of thought in other areas.

1:53:18 Speaker 3: So uh, try new things, look at new things, and just do new stuff and then try to familiarize with that.

1:53:25 Speaker 2: So yeah, well i'd love to have you back on the show to I'd love you there. Yeah, I'd love to talk about this more. And you know, obviously we didn't get to, you know, dive deeply into the technologies and what you're actually working on.

1:53:46 Speaker 3: We can dive into that later. That's this is an introductory, introductory talk and stuff, but there's a lot more.

1:53:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, So so with your I mean with your work, what's next, What's what's next for you?

1:54:01 Speaker 3: What's next is to try and get funding in total to bring this magnetic technology to fruition so that we can apply it and commercialize it and get it to people. Open sourcing the information and giving it to people is not going to get the information and get devices to people. Just because you have the information doesn't mean you'll do anything with it or you can. It takes money, millions of dollars to achieve that. So by supporting and letting people know of the existence to the technology and stuff, just it helps.

1:54:32 Speaker 3: Just awareness. That's about all you can do right now, all right, and that's my goal. My goal is to create more awareness and that these things are possible and that they're being worked on, and we just need to get over the hurdle it.

1:54:46 Speaker 2: Is, can you give any like live demonstration of something.

1:54:51 Speaker 3: Yes, I've done that. I have demonstration units so that you can see these frictionless magnetic bearing effect and you can see the different dynamics and how the magnetic wave forms actually manifest and their relationship and all of this stuff. I have all these videos YouTube deleted sixteen years of that. They said it's all medical misinformation. But I salvaged it and re uploaded it to rumble and x and TikTok and other platforms. But there's a lot to show. There's real demonstrations to show, to qualify and substantiate what I'm saying.

1:55:22 Speaker 2: Very very interesting, all right, And I will include all the links. Send me all your links privately, and I will include them in the description. Any link that you want, even if it's fun, you know, website that people can go to and help fund, you know, give you money to help help this if you want to get known.

1:55:43 Speaker 3: That well, that's that's the thing is only accredited investors can purchase shares of the company. So I do not accept any donations. No Barbering, no Patriot, none of that. In twenty years, I've never accepted one penny or a gift or anything. So that's why I'm selling these books, is because I'm earning my way through the compilation of all of these works, offering something that you can benefit from, rather than just asking for donations. So I don't believe in that.

1:56:10 Speaker 2: But you don't believe in Ashton. What do you actually? You know what I missed a question and this is one that I was. I need I need to ask, now, Okay,

1:56:24 Speaker 2: what do you think of Ashton Forbes and the grifts and perpetuation of of that story. And I mean, I believe at one point he was selling a free energy device attempting to attempting to I. I don't know, right, what's your take on that?

1:56:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have disagreed with him the totalities to everything that he has shared. He has refused to debate me for the last year. He says that all of my physics ideas are wrong.

1:57:06 Speaker 2: And desert and he wouldn't even look at me, and nobody wanted to talk to him, and it was.

1:57:13 Speaker 3: Just I'm not fond of his interpretations, okay, but he has not given me a chance. He has overlooked and completely dismissed the things that I have tried to share. And he's foamed at the mouth when I give my interpretations as to why the things that he says are not as accurate as they could be, or even accurate at all.

1:57:34 Speaker 2: So you do, he doesn't correct.

1:57:38 Speaker 3: But you And he even has shared some of the projects of the magnetic technology that I work on that the Russians have tried to duplicate and others. I knew Colonel Tom Bearden, I knew John Bedini, I knew the people who he is enamored with, and I got to meet with them. I worked with John Surly. He was my best friend. We worked together for over ten years. But when it comes to talking about these dynamics, he says that I pretty much don't have anything to offer, that my ideas are just so out there, it's a waste of my life, and and that's all he pretty much.

1:58:14 Speaker 3: And then he blocked me and then muted me, not necessarily in that order. Then he unblocked everybody, but I think he still has me muted. But the fact remains is that he has outright refused to discuss or have any interpretation on the things that I present. And all I've tried to do is have a cordial conversation like this with you, but it just he says he doesn't want to platform me. He just doesn't like me. There's no need for a debate. There's he'll only debate after he's proved right, and then he'll debate everybody and any excuse just to not have a talk.

1:58:48 Speaker 2: I don't think he's even worth your time, like you.

1:58:53 Speaker 3: Think the information then the time though.

1:58:55 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think you're better than him in every way in this that you you don't perpetuate a video of real like men husbands.

1:59:09 Speaker 3: Understand I'm trying to prepare myself better or worse. But I think I don't think very different interpretation. That's what what I'm saying is, I don't think that you should be like like.

1:59:20 Speaker 2: He shouldn't be someone that you think highly of. I think I don't.

1:59:26 Speaker 3: He's a monstrous yes, and I've I've made that clear in many many posts, which is why he he bloss got this.

1:59:35 Speaker 2: Weird cult, following very weird culture a little too hard once. I once I started saying these kind of things because I actually had him on in the in the beginning, I had him on, and I I lost a good friend, an editor for Marvel Studios, because I used to work in that.

1:59:59 Speaker 3: Oh I remember this whole thing.

2:00:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I I posed the question to my editor friend, and I didn't tell him what it was about. I just posed a posed the question about could you make this video given this amount of time, with the budget with with with like, could you do it in the alloted time? And he he gave me an answer, but he there was a lot of nuance to the answer and like a lot of like variables that that that weren't being taken into account, and so it was an answer, but not a definitive one. I get. I give that to Ashton during the episode, and I say, I ran this across my friend.

2:00:53 Speaker 2: Uh, I fucking should have never said who it was. I should have just said a Marvel studio editor, but I said his name, and then it got back to him that it had to do with MH three seventy and that he won't return my calls.

2:01:11 Speaker 3: What I find interesting is, you know, he says that it's impossible to do, But I haven't seen ash ash one attempt himself to try and duplicate the airplane video, not with stick figures, not with any primitive Adobe Photoshop blender. You'd figure that, you know, you want to show how impossible it is. So here's my attempt number one. I just couldn't get it. This looks nothing like it nothing. I haven't seen any attempt unto himself to try and duplicated or replicate or any scientific method at all in that area.

2:01:51 Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, he's not a scientist. He's a content creer.

2:01:54 Speaker 3: No, he's a healthcare it consultant.

2:01:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a Now he's a political expert.

2:02:01 Speaker 3: And he's a physics expert, and a ballistics expert, and a and a psych psychiatry expert.

2:02:07 Speaker 2: Now to astronomy and space and all of it, he's an expert. He's the smartest man in the world, literally, and he has Yeah, he's literally the smartest man in the in the world. And him and Professor Simon, who's not a real professor.

2:02:23 Speaker 3: Oh god, I'm sorry. Look, I think that guy. He he might have some interesting things to say, but could you comb your hair or something like as not he's dude, it's just not uh and brushes nice to look at something like. Yeah, he's just I haven't even I haven't even been able to I can listen to what he has to say. I just can't watch what he has to say because I but that's no offense. It is an offense. Whatever. I'm sorry, bro, damn it. You might have cool things to say.

2:03:00 Speaker 2: That yeah all right, Yeah, so dude, thank you so much for.

2:03:08 Speaker 3: Whatever. But yeah, thank you.

2:03:10 Speaker 2: You know, uh, Tyler, you have a face for radio, and I never I always thought it was a compliment when I was younger, and uh then I realized, I go, I remember saying it. I was in film school at the time. In school and I was like, you know, my mom always did tell me I had a face for radio. And everyone started laughing and I was like, why are you laughing? And they were like, oh, that's like a like a diss and I was like, wait what and uh, yeah, that I found out my mom dissed me every In every shot, by the way, in every shot that I've ever had on a podcast, she's always in the background somewhere.

2:03:56 Speaker 2: It's like a little easter egg to myself and now to anyone who's listening or watching. But yeah, she's always in the shot. She's always watching. To some degree, I got pictures of her everywhere. So yeah, he so our guests definitely just uh dropped out. Uh So I think that's going to wrap it up. Guys. Thank you guys so much for listening or watching. Make sure to like, make sure to share and subscribe to the channel Ring that Bell for notifications and if you can, become a member on YouTube or Patreon for early and ad free access.

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2:05:18 Speaker 2: With that being said, we'll see you on the flip side. Our next episode is with Peter Robbins.

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